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15 [00:10:40] <warsoul> i cant write nothing to a usb drive
16 [00:10:50] <warsoul> how can i erase that protection
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20 [00:13:37] <SerajewelKS> warsoul: fix the permissions? or is it mounted read-only? or is the hardware read-only?
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22 [00:15:37] <teclo-> RoyK: yeah well, I'm just gonna clean install tomorrow morning :)
23 [00:16:48] <teclo-> it was like, a clean install from like one week ago
24 [00:16:56] <RoyK> that wasn't exactly what I meant, though
25 [00:17:31] <teclo-> RoyK: ah sorry :/
26 [00:17:58] <teclo-> I mean like, it's an install from Sep 18, so it's no big deal to reinstall again
27 [00:18:20] <teclo-> I won't have to touch /home
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29 [00:19:30] <teclo-> and I've got a backup of what has changed, only a bunch of files in /etc and /usr/local/bin
30 [00:19:51] <teclo-> however it looks like my apt-cacher has issues
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35 [00:25:07] <RoyK> teclo-: possibly easier to reinstall - dunno - I just normally do that as the last resort
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37 [00:25:53] <teclo-> RoyK: yeah, I usually do that at last resort too... Especially with Debian GNU/Linux when you can actually fix things by editing configuration files and/or removing and reinstall a package
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39 [00:27:45] <teclo-> but when the installed packages are broken and messed, well, imho I'm reinstalling
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61 [00:46:06] <midhun> how to install libpulse-dev in ubuntu16.04
62 [00:46:38] <mutante> midhun: i'd try: sudo apt-get install libpulse-dev
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64 [00:47:24] <Rothgar> Is there any reason I would not want to stop using the new predictable interface Names? I find eth0 easier to reference?
65 [00:48:12] <midhun> i am getting error as replaced-url
66 [00:48:45] <midhun> @mutante The following packages have unmet dependencies: libpulse-dev : Depends: libglib2.0-dev but it is not going to be installedE: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
67 [00:52:27] <mutante> midhun: hmm... please show them the paste in #ubuntu channel
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69 [00:52:49] <mutante> midhun: maybe something else got installed from another source in the past?
70 [00:53:15] <midhun> is there any way i can make this work
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73 [00:54:09] <midhun> for the past 5 hours i have been behind this
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83 [01:00:55] <LtL> midhun: # apt-get update –fix-missing -then- # dpkg --configure -a and apt-get install -f
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97 [01:11:15] <midhun> sorry LtL still getting error as
98 [01:11:19] <midhun> The following information may help to resolve the situation:The following packages have unmet dependencies: libpulse-dev : Depends: libglib2.0-dev but it is not going to be installedE: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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103 [01:13:59] <LtL> midhun: remove libpulse-dev then try again
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106 [01:14:19] <jhutchins> midhun: If you were running Debian, we'd know that you had multiple releases installed.
107 [01:14:41] <jhutchins> midhun: You can do a clean Debian install to resolve this, or you can go ask in #ubuntu.
108 [01:14:45] <jhutchins> !ubuntu
109 [01:14:46] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
110 [01:15:02] <LtL> midhun: as jhutchins said, good advice.
111 [01:15:22] <jhutchins> Also, things that will fix Debian will break Ubuntu because it's DIFFERENT.
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113 [01:15:35] <midhun> jhutchins thanks for the clue
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123 [01:19:53] <midhun> ok mutante
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125 [01:21:38] * LtL is a ubuntu saboteur
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142 [01:33:51] <cliluw> What does the -i option to debuild do?
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144 [01:35:16] <jhutchins> cliluw: If only there were a man page.
145 [01:35:36] <cliluw> jhutchins: There is a man page. I checked it and it doesn't even mention the -i option.
146 [01:36:02] <jhutchins> cliluw: Well, good on you, bad on the maintainers.
147 [01:36:23] <jhutchins> cliluw: Sometimes you get good usage info with -h or --help
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149 [01:37:41] <Unit193> It's not a debuild option, it's a dpkg-buildpackage option: -i, --diff-ignore[=<regex>] ignore diffs of files matching <regex>.
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170 [01:57:15] <cliluw> Unit193: Thanks. Why do debuild examples even pass it in then if they always use an empty regex?
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176 [01:59:20] <Unit193> cliluw: IIRC, it has defaults if you don't pass anything.
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210 [02:28:34] <annadane> oops, sorry
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230 [02:51:37] <anexit> Hey all, is there a reason iftop would show me some strange ips but when I tcpdump I don't see any traffic?
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235 [02:55:52] <tomreyn> running tcpdump without sufficient permissions / capabilities would give you this
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244 [02:59:50] <anexit> tomteyn: am root
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285 [03:39:40] <bonesoul> /msg dpkg 10.1
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287 [03:43:10] <eblip> hey quick question i need to set up a crontab for duckdns....do i do this from user or from root
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290 [03:44:35] <RoyK> eblip: if a cron job runs a command that needs root access, you can either add it to root's cronab or use sudo. If the command doesn't need root access, any user should work
291 [03:44:52] <eblip> thanks RoyK
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351 [04:48:48] <restrictedchoice> howdy folks. i'm in the process of attempting to install debian buster on my new thinkpad x390.
352 [04:49:05] <restrictedchoice> i'm attempting to load non-free firmware from a removable drive for my wifi.
353 [04:49:32] <restrictedchoice> think x390 has the following wifi adapter: Intel® Dualband 9560 802.11
354 [04:50:07] <restrictedchoice> in some of the reading i've done, it seems i may need to provide ucode firmeware files from a backport. i attempted to include the relevant files from here replaced-url
355 [04:50:34] <restrictedchoice> but the installer is still unable unable to fine the files.
356 [04:50:36] <restrictedchoice> any help?
357 [04:51:03] <toruvinn> there's a netinstall image WITH that firmware
358 [04:51:31] <toruvinn> well, i dont know if that particular, but there's one that includes firmware you can download separately.
359 [04:51:36] <toruvinn> that makes stuff much easier to deal with
360 [04:51:54] <toruvinn> i've had pretty... random experiences with the "provide separate media with firmware files" in the past
361 [04:53:05] <toruvinn> replaced-url
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363 [04:53:44] <restrictedchoice> ah, wow, didn't realize there was a non-free iso
364 [04:53:49] <restrictedchoice> i'll give it a shot now, thanks!
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366 [04:55:11] <restrictedchoice> i'm assuming i want standard+non-free?
367 [04:56:28] <toruvinn> replaced-url
368 [04:56:31] <toruvinn> er, i'd
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371 [04:59:14] <restrictedchoice> thanks
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374 [05:05:48] <eblip> hey where should i put my systemd unit file that i have created..should i just put it in /lib/systemd/system
375 [05:07:42] <jmcnaught> eblip: /etc/systemd/system. "man systemd.unit"
376 [05:07:49] <restrictedchoice> toruvinn: it's working, thanks!
377 [05:07:52] <eblip> thanks
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385 [05:14:27] <toruvinn> restrictedchoice, \o/
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484 [07:01:40] <warsoul> hi
485 [07:01:58] <warsoul> how i can write files to my usb stick
486 [07:02:18] <annadane> in what sense?
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492 [07:06:27] <annadane> like, copy files?
493 [07:07:19] <warsoul> yes
494 [07:07:25] <warsoul> was trying to drag in the usb
495 [07:07:29] <warsoul> but is not letting me
496 [07:08:44] <annadane> well, i'm not sure why that is. but anyway, mount your usb, type lsblk and see what the mount point is, my external hard drive is /media/anna/<long list of characters> for example, and then cp filename /media/warsoul/blahblah
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499 [07:09:50] <warsoul> ok got it
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501 [07:09:53] <warsoul> how do i mount it
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503 [07:10:31] <annadane> either click the entry in your file manager or mount /dev/sdx1 or whatever it is /mnt, or /media
504 [07:10:40] <annadane> see your entries with lsblk, again
505 [07:10:50] <warsoul> just saw it
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507 [07:11:56] <warsoul> dont know the command
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509 [07:12:30] <annadane> to mount? what does lsblk say is your usb stick?
510 [07:12:46] <warsoul> sdc1 8:33 1 3.8G 0 part /media/warsoul/Untitled
511 [07:12:56] <annadane> then mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt
512 [07:13:54] <warsoul> mount: /mnt: /dev/sdc1 already mounted on /media/warsoul/Untitled.
513 [07:14:23] <annadane> does it really say "untitled"? that's odd
514 [07:14:35] <annadane> oh, oops. i'm not reading properly
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517 [07:14:51] <annadane> well, then cp yourfile /media/warsoul/Untitled
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526 [07:20:35] <fakhraee> how can i ignore the error 'E: Package 'mpd' has no installation candidate' when installing multiple packages together?
527 [07:21:19] <annadane> you shouldn't be getting that, mpd is a package
528 [07:21:24] <annadane> paste your sources.list?
529 [07:21:26] <annadane> !pate
530 [07:21:29] <annadane> !paste
531 [07:21:29] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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577 [08:13:55] <m0rd3cai> anyone running xfce4 how can I set the default username so i dont have to type it in anymore. I've done it before but I cant remember and google isn't helping much
578 [08:14:09] <m0rd3cai> default login username*
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588 [08:25:07] <diogenes_> m0rd3cai, you want to autologin?
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596 [08:41:39] <ayew> autologin canbe enabled in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
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602 [08:48:06] * vlt read that as “I don’t want autologin but want to type my password only but not my username”
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627 [09:25:32] <gravelch> hi there, I just installed debian buster on my machine and able to boot into bash shell. However I can not shutdown it as both `poweroff` and `shutdown -h now` returns `bash: command not found`
628 [09:25:55] <gravelch> I've also tried `modprobe apm`
629 [09:26:15] <gravelch> but it returns command not found as well
630 [09:27:20] <gravelch> Is there anything I could do to solve this? TIA
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642 [09:37:32] <gashuman> hello....
643 [09:37:51] <gashuman> anybody...
644 [09:37:55] <gry> hi
645 [09:37:59] <gashuman> hey man
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647 [09:38:15] <gry> how are you?
648 [09:38:22] <gashuman> fine thanks you....
649 [09:38:25] <gashuman> and you?..
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654 [09:39:14] <gashuman> ...
655 [09:39:16] <gry> i'm ok too :)
656 [09:39:28] <gry> writing an energy saving app now
657 [09:39:36] <gashuman> owh....ok ^_^...
658 [09:39:39] <gashuman> LOL XD
659 [09:39:57] <gry> what is your first language?
660 [09:40:16] <gashuman> first language...you mean...main language that i use everyday?
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662 [09:40:20] <gry> yes
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664 [09:40:28] <gashuman> malay
665 [09:40:30] <gry> which you learned in childhood
666 [09:40:31] <gry> ok
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668 [09:40:35] <gashuman> and you?
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671 [09:46:15] <vlt> gravelch: How sure are you that it’s bash? What does `echo $0` say?
672 [09:47:37] <gravelch> Yea I'm sure, it says `~bash`
673 [09:48:09] <gravelch> or `-bash` to be precise
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675 [09:49:24] <vlt> gravelch: Hmmm, so it’s definitively *not* bash but something that says "-bash". Did the system boot into an initrd.img shell?
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679 [09:51:16] <gravelch> well you're right, once I typed `bash` and press enter and re-run your command, it returns `bash`
680 [09:51:30] <gravelch> but the problem is persist
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682 [09:51:42] <gry_> gashuman, i speak Russian
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690 [09:52:57] <gravelch> ftr, I installed this through non-free netinstall on usb
691 [09:55:03] <gravelch> I also wanted it to be used as a desktop instead of server. I accidentally checked `web server` upon installation. So, as it is booting up, I directly run `apt-get remove --purge 'mysql-.*'` since I don't need it.
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693 [09:55:56] <gravelch> and also ran `apt autoremove` as root.
694 [09:56:40] <gravelch> vlt: is this the root cause? I'm about to reinstall it anyways
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696 [09:57:39] <melpy> milkt in here?
697 [09:57:59] <vlt> gravelch: Hard to tell. I you are about to reinstall then just try that.
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700 [09:59:35] <gravelch> vlt: okay, thanks anyway
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719 [10:19:15] <GNU\colossus> is there a benchmark for recursive nameserver available? benchmark, in the sense that I feed a program a list of recursor addresses, and it determines which has the lowest latency for a predefined set of queries.
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730 [10:32:09] <ratrace> GNU\colossus: I don't know of any, but what's the use case here? If you want fastest, then run unbound or something else locally, that's querying roots directly?
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748 [10:47:09] <gidna> hello
749 [10:47:15] <gidna> where do I find pdflatex?
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755 [10:50:16] <diogenes_> ,V pdflatex
756 [10:50:17] <judd> No package named 'pdflatex' was found in amd64.
757 [10:50:18] <vlt> gidna: In texlive packages.
758 [10:50:34] <diogenes_> ,file pdflatex
759 [10:50:36] <vlt> goberle: textlive-xetex, for example.
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761 [10:50:38] <judd> Search for pdflatex in buster/amd64: latex-cjk-chinese: usr/bin/bg5+pdflatex, usr/bin/bg5pdflatex, usr/bin/cef5pdflatex, usr/bin/cefpdflatex, usr/bin/cefspdflatex, usr/bin/gbkpdflatex; texlive-latex-base: usr/bin/pdflatex; latex-cjk-japanese: usr/bin/sjispdflatex
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763 [10:51:23] <vlt> goberle: Sorry, nick completion, was meant for gidna.
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766 [10:52:47] <gidna> so it is texlive-latex-base
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768 [10:52:49] <gidna> ?
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770 [10:53:17] <diogenes_> yes
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785 [11:09:59] <GNU\colossus> ftr, I've found "namebench" that apparently can do what I want
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797 [11:17:02] <gidna> I miss this: or enter new name. (Default extension: sty)
798 [11:17:12] <gidna> ! LaTeX Error: File `ucs.sty' not found.
799 [11:17:24] <gidna> how Can I find the package that contains it?
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810 [11:25:45] <gidna> how can I find the package that contains a certain file?
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814 [11:29:40] <rephlexie> gidna, debian wise? replaced-url
815 [11:30:11] <annadane> replaced-url
816 [11:30:38] <annadane> so, you likely want texlive-latex-extra
817 [11:31:06] <rephlexie> ^
818 [11:31:35] <gidna> ok didn't know it
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873 [12:27:58] <ov3rmind> :), hello great guys!
874 [12:28:04] <gry> hi
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882 [12:39:53] <no_gravity> Hello! Is it possible for a shell script to access the aliases of the parent process?
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929 [13:33:50] <DrBunsen> Hey, just a quick question. Am I the only one who experiences a sluggish slow system when I am moving big files from disc to for example an USB stick? It makes my PC and laptops slow to the point of being unusable until it is done.
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933 [13:42:25] <diogenes_> DrBunsen, check swap usage.
934 [13:43:55] <n_1-c_k> DrBunsen, try ionice.
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940 [13:48:13] <DrBunsen> diogenes_, I have 10 GB of swap on a SSD, I will monitor it with iotop. n_1-c_k, I usually just use nautilus to copy paste a file, I was hoping this was an issue I would not have to fix with meddling with processes every reboot.
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942 [13:48:59] <DrBunsen> And swap useage with the system monitor ;)
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960 [14:04:22] <no_gravity> DrBunsen: Never had that issue. I always copy on the command line with cp though.
961 [14:04:42] <no_gravity> DrBunsen: GUI implementations of file copy often caused me problems too.
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963 [14:05:27] <Mazhive> hello guys i have a wierd situation ... my debian 10 got a power outage last night and now after login it only shows the startup screen i can get my desktop back by using alt f7 but that does not suppossed to be...
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965 [14:07:29] <Mazhive> so to prevent confusion after login i mean typing the user name and password
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968 [14:08:25] <Mazhive> should i reinstall org ??
969 [14:08:29] <Mazhive> xorg
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971 [14:09:11] <diogenes_> Mazhive, try a new user.
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974 [14:10:58] <Mazhive> HMMM i only have one oke i need to make a new user then .. its a new install so... oke . ill try
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986 [14:16:57] <Xogium> hi folks :) I'm no debian user, but I've been trying to make my openssh support sd_notify using your patch. It applied cleanly, however if I set sshd.service as Type=notify, systemd still ends up terminating on timeout… Any clue what I could be missing ?
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989 [14:17:49] <Xogium> the patch I used is atreplaced-url
990 [14:17:57] <Xogium> err, at replaced-url
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992 [14:18:32] <Xogium> I also enabled the --with-systemd option in openssh's configure
993 [14:19:50] <Xogium> I figured this is the best place to ask, as this patch wasn't merged upstream
994 [14:19:50] <Mazhive> diogenes_ i think you right it is a profile issue should i delete the .xsession from my profile folder ??
995 [14:20:06] <Mazhive> other user has no issue
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997 [14:20:49] <diogenes_> Mazhive, try that.
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1004 [14:26:10] <Mazhive> dioggenes : i deleted the .Xauthority and all .xsessions* no result
1005 [14:26:21] <Mazhive> diogenes : i deleted the .Xauthority and all .xsessions* no result
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1007 [14:28:09] <Xogium> well, I don't know how I could verify that the binary I built really got sd_notify support, but the source code really has it :S
1008 [14:28:43] <Xogium> really appreciate any help :)
1009 [14:29:10] <diogenes_> Mazhive, what DE?
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1012 [14:32:59] <Xogium> er, in my config.log I don't see it printing 'checking for libsystemd'
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1018 [14:38:23] <Jane> i have a clear sources.list file, and somehow apt-get is still getting odd urls when doing apt-get update. i think stuff i've added with another program maybe? my apt-get update has a few broken links, and id' like to resolve that.
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1020 [14:38:49] <Jane> there's urls getting hit that doesn't even exist in sources.list, so where else can apt-get be pulling info from?
1021 [14:39:11] <towo`> from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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1023 [14:41:20] <Jane> towo`: i emptied sources.list.d, just failed keys entries are left now.
1024 [14:41:25] <Jane> where are those getting pulled from?
1025 [14:43:50] <Jane> i'm trying to update, and just making sure apt goes without errors
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1027 [14:44:42] <Mazhive> diogenes: lightdm - mate
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1033 [14:47:52] <Mazhive> diognes_: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager - - /usr/sbin/lightdm
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1035 [14:49:29] <Mazhive> should i backup my .profile and delete the original afterwards..
1036 [14:49:29] <diogenes_> Mazhive, then clear .cache and rename mate config dir.
1037 [14:49:40] <Mazhive> ah oke ..
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1068 [15:16:01] <teclo-> Damnit, after a clean install I still get the exact damn error
1069 [15:16:12] <teclo-> nvidia-driver can't be installed because of dependencies
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1071 [15:16:40] <teclo-> I just added non-free to my sources.list
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1076 [15:18:54] <diogenes_> teclo-, pastebin sources.list
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1091 [15:28:46] <teclo-> diogenes_: replaced-url
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1093 [15:29:57] <teclo-> and it's all legit and reguler Debian packages
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1095 [15:30:26] <bn_x> test
1096 [15:30:38] <teclo-> bn_x: we can read you
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1102 [15:31:39] <LtL> teclo-: add contrib and non-free its important to use both
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1104 [15:32:12] <teclo-> LtL: ah, contrib and non-free, ok
1105 [15:32:57] <teclo-> ok buster main contrib non-free
1106 [15:33:05] <teclo-> do I have to do that with buster-updates too ?
1107 [15:33:18] <LtL> yes
1108 [15:33:34] <LtL> !buster sources.list
1109 [15:33:34] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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1111 [15:34:30] <teclo-> aaah now that's better
1112 [15:35:52] <teclo-> LtL: looks like the problem is solved, thanks alot... Too bad regulars like greycat didn't point that out yesterday ;)
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1117 [15:36:44] <teclo-> however I had weird issues with my apt-cacher mirror at the same time, so now I don't use my mirror anymore ;)
1118 [15:37:46] <JyZyXEL> apt-cacher has the most confusing issues always
1119 [15:38:04] <teclo-> JyZyXEL: yes it had a very confusing one yesterday
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1224 [16:55:35] <pheoxy> such as stabilty
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1358 [18:21:11] <RoyK> any idea how I can find from which repo a particular package has been installed?
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1382 [18:38:35] <karlpinc> apt-cache policy <packagename>
1383 [18:38:40] <karlpinc> (I think.)
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1398 [18:58:34] <hans_> what plugins does roundcube-plugins add? the description just says > This package provides several plugins for Roundcube. They should be enabled in the configuration of Roundcube.
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1418 [19:07:41] <whatsupboy> .help mirrors
1419 [19:07:52] <whatsupboy> !help mirrors
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1422 [19:08:30] <diogenes_> try with comma
1423 [19:08:31] <LtL> !mirrors
1424 [19:08:31] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
1425 [19:08:59] <whatsupboy> thanks LtL
1426 [19:09:09] <LtL> whatsupboy: welcome
1427 [19:09:42] <whatsupboy> I need to edidt sources.list for debian 9
1428 [19:10:01] <LtL> !stretch sources.list
1429 [19:10:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1430 [19:10:18] <LtL> whatsupboy: thats for debian 9 stretch
1431 [19:10:19] <whatsupboy> this helps thansk again LtL
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1433 [19:11:23] <LtL> whatsupboy: its a good idea to append contrib non-free to each deb line fyi and apt update
1434 [19:12:03] <LtL> and main of course which is default.
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1436 [19:12:22] <whatsupboy> okay, crrently I am not able to install sudo and noticed the problem is with my sorces.list
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1455 [19:26:26] <whatsupboy> how can I update my firefox in debian stretch from terminal without actually downloading .deb or .tar files
1456 [19:27:03] <jelly> whatsupboy: how did you install firefox in the first place?
1457 [19:27:18] <whatsupboy> I have the default browser
1458 [19:27:23] <whatsupboy> which is so outdated
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1460 [19:27:44] <whatsupboy> jelly: the one that comes along debian installation
1461 [19:27:52] <jelly> whatsupboy: which browser and version is that?
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1463 [19:27:59] <whatsupboy> its icewesel may be
1464 [19:28:04] <whatsupboy> no
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1468 [19:29:24] <jelly> "maybe" is not enough to try help. You can click on Help -> About... and see the name and version there.
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1470 [19:29:46] <BCMM> whatsupboy: just to check, you are aware that Debian 10 "Buster" has been released, right?
1471 [19:31:32] <whatsupboy> 60.9.0esr (64-bit) wondering if this is latest firefox?
1472 [19:31:43] <whatsupboy> BCMM: okay I will download it later
1473 [19:31:52] <whatsupboy> But I have old image
1474 [19:32:24] <BCMM> 60esr is the current version of firefox on both stretch and buster, though
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1476 [19:33:00] <jhutchins> whatsupboy: You're not going to get the latest firefox if you have an obsolete debian release. Which version of Debian do you have?
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1479 [19:33:55] <jhutchins> hans_: Roundcube requires PHP programming knowledge if you're going to add plugins or customize it.
1480 [19:34:13] <whatsupboy> mozilla currentversion 69.2
1481 [19:34:17] <hans_> not a problem, been using PHP since ~2006
1482 [19:34:17] <whatsupboy> jhutchins: stretch
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1484 [19:34:19] <lupine> fortunately, PHP doesn't require programming knowledge
1485 [19:34:20] <lupine> see: all PHP
1486 [19:34:24] <whatsupboy> deban 9
1487 [19:34:53] <jhutchins> !sources list
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1489 [19:35:02] <jelly> whatsupboy: 60.9.0 esr is indeed up-to-date. Debian is going to switch to 68esr when 60esr branch stops getting security fixes.
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1491 [19:35:20] <tradar> so true lupine ĸeĸ
1492 [19:35:48] <jelly> whatsupboy: you won't see firefox release branch (Firefox 69) in Debian stable any time soon
1493 [19:35:53] <hans_> is the security team backporting FF ESR fixes to EOL ESR versions? x.x
1494 [19:36:09] <jelly> hans_: no, they track upstream.
1495 [19:36:14] <hans_> good.
1496 [19:36:31] <jelly> 60esr still has a month or two of support I think
1497 [19:36:36] <hans_> (that would just be a stupid waste of time imo)
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1501 [19:38:03] <jelly> Mozilla's build of ESR still hasn't switched existing installations from 60esr to 68esr either.
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1504 [19:39:10] <BCMM> hans_: that would be essentially impossible due to the size and complexity of firefox
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1509 [19:40:03] <whatsupboy> okay thanks all
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1511 [19:41:55] <hans_> BCMM, well then i guess there's only 1 option, let the upstream ESR team do all the work (as it should be with that particular package, imo)
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1531 [19:52:25] <MTB2019> Im using debian 10. When i open certain websites in chrome... the scripts trigger my browser to freeze for tens of seconds.... What can i do ?
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1533 [19:53:19] <jelly> MTB2019: uh, install a decent adblocker extension?
1534 [19:53:39] <MTB2019> jelly: im already using AD Block plus
1535 [19:54:04] <c0rnelius> install noscripts?
1536 [19:54:05] <MTB2019> jelly: but there are the popups that ask me to acccept cookies... that trigger the freeze
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1539 [19:54:22] <jelly> MTB2019: maybe disable that one and try uBlock Origin
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1541 [19:55:13] <jelly> MTB2019: actual popups or overlays inside existing site
1542 [19:55:20] <MTB2019> jelly: this doesnt happen on my lap[top. only on desktop/./././ and the laptop is a bit lower in terms of cpu... makes no sense/// i use debian 10 on both
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1544 [19:56:58] <MTB2019> this is nthe page that just caused me the freeze.... replaced-url
1545 [19:57:36] <MTB2019> it wprks fine in FF
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1554 [20:02:55] <jelly> MTB2019: Ghostery blocked 10 things, and uBlock Origin blocked 28 more on that... and you're gone. Okay.
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1596 [20:32:39] <voices> hey, where can i find old versions of debian
1597 [20:32:51] <voices> i'm looking for 6.0.6
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1599 [20:34:17] <towo`> replaced-url
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1601 [20:34:41] <towo`> or better replaced-url
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1604 [20:36:02] <Mazhive> diogenes_: i deleted the content of .cache and renamed the .mate-session folder no result . funny thing is i can get the screen back by first going into console (alt+f5 then go back with alt f7)
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1608 [20:37:52] <Guest15675> I have an old nintendo wii in which I'd like to install debian whiite (special debian lenny 5 distro for the wii), I have downloaded the OS but the kernel modules are not shipped with the OS (2.6.32) since this is a debian version compiled for power pc, I'm trying to find the 2.6.32 kernel modules for power pc, could someone point me to the right direction where I can download them ? I didn't have much
1609 [20:37:58] <Guest15675> success googling for them
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1619 [20:41:40] <diogenes_> Mazhive, well it works correctly with the new user so the issue is definitely in your .config or .xinitrc if you have it.
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1623 [20:43:54] <pthreat> In case it didn't got sent because I wasn't identified: I have an old nintendo wii in which I'd like to install debian whiite (special debian lenny 5 distro for the wii), I have downloaded the OS but the kernel modules are not shipped with the OS (2.6.32) since this is a debian version compiled for power pc, I'm trying to find the 2.6.32 kernel modules for power pc, could someone point me to the right
1624 [20:44:00] <pthreat> direction where I can download them ? I didn't have much success googling for them
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1626 [20:46:35] <voices> thanks, i was there already. no iso for 6.0.6. it's alright, i'll get '6.0.6 live'
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1628 [20:49:21] <voices> replaced-url
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1631 [20:51:12] <no_gravity> Hello! The mate terminal always adds "(as superuser)" to the terminal windows name when I am root. Is there a way to prevent that?
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1646 [21:06:45] <teclo-> evening, I've got both MATE and KDE installed, and I know I have to do dpkg-reconfigure lightdm to choose the right login manager. Now I got the KDE login sreen... but after that I am in MATE
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1658 [21:12:51] <velix> Is "ufw" (uncomplicated firewall) an addition to netfilter or a replacement?
1659 [21:13:15] <velix> DONT ANSWER
1660 [21:13:24] <velix> Just found it: "Ufw provides a framework for managing netfilter, as well as a command-line interface for manipulating the firewall."
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1668 [21:16:50] <jelly> teclo-: choice of display manager is different from choice of session (desktop enviroment). You can typically pick a session in ANY dm somewhere.
1669 [21:17:44] <teclo-> jelly: ok...
1670 [21:17:45] <jelly> look for an UI element with "session" or "config" on the login screen
1671 [21:18:00] <teclo-> ah, found out why... In sddm at the top of the screen I can choose the window manager
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1687 [21:26:46] <eblip> took me a while to get all my config sorted to set up on debian...but now everything is up and running (apart from python development environement) ..think im gonna love it
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1690 [21:27:32] <eblip> in fact setting it up...has got my files organized...what a mess
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1701 [21:35:57] <guccimon> hello
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1726 [21:49:06] <voices_> hey on the debian security lists how does the numbering system work? it'll say things like: "this problem has been fixed in version 2.2.13-19+squeeze3" but as far as i can tell, squeeze went from 6.0.0 through to 6.0.10
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1730 [21:51:43] <voices_> sorry that was supposed to say "For the stable distribution (squeeze), this problem has been fixed in version 2.2.13-19+squeeze3"
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1735 [21:57:01] <mihi> voices_, you get security updates (from security.debian.org) independent from point releases.
1736 [21:57:08] <jelly> voices_: version 2.2.13-19+squeeze3 of the package in context.
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1738 [21:57:35] <mihi> as jelly pointed out, the mentioned version is the package version.
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1756 [22:12:40] <voices_> i see. so with "sudo 1.7.4p4-6" what is the little -6 on the end? is it different to "1.7.4p4" ?
1757 [22:12:49] <voices_> i'm looking here
1758 [22:12:50] <voices_> replaced-url
1759 [22:14:01] <voices_> is "1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.1" the same as "1.7.4p4" or different?
1760 [22:14:07] <somiaj> Debian package versions are of the form epoch:upstreamversion-debianrevision
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1762 [22:14:40] <somiaj> so the -6 means there have been 6 debian revisions of the source from the upstream version 1.7.4p4, which is often debian patches for security/bug fixes, or just customiziations for the debian echo system.
1763 [22:14:58] <somiaj> ecosystem
1764 [22:15:37] <somiaj> in that case 1.7.4p4 is the base upstream version, but there will be differnces between -2.squeeze.1 and -6 (you can look at the debian changelog for specifics)
1765 [22:16:04] <annadane> do you know what the p stands for?
1766 [22:16:25] <somiaj> not off the top of my head, you'll have to look into the upstream source of sudo and how they version things.
1767 [22:16:41] <somiaj> maybe that is upstreams way of monintoring security patches to the base 1.7.4 version
1768 [22:16:48] <somiaj> like 'patch 4', but that is just a guess
1769 [22:17:56] <voices_> i'm looking through old outdated versions for my unix comp-sec class just fyi. professor gave me an old vm to play with. if i run sudo -V it shows "Sudo version 1.7.4p4" but then again, i don't suppose it would report a more specific version number than that
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1771 [22:19:10] <voices_> p i thought was just 'point', i read that somewhere. patch sounds more plausible though
1772 [22:19:29] <somiaj> could be point intead of using ., depends on the actual upstream though
1773 [22:19:51] <somiaj> yea, debian rarely patches the software to list the debian revision in the output of foo -V
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1776 [22:20:50] <somiaj> also this causes some automatic checkers to get mad, as they think the version they see is insecure, but provided that the CVE was during the liftime that debian supported, debian will backport the security fixes to the version in stable, since debian is a mostly frozen system
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1779 [22:21:53] <voices_> so what happens if say i find a serious vulnerability for this old version of debian (6.0.6 - squeeze) now that it's no longer maintained?
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1781 [22:22:33] <lupine> you get rich
1782 [22:23:49] <voices_> what? rich, how? it's like 5 years since end of life
1783 [22:23:50] <somiaj> voices_: you have to live with it, or build your own package to fix it, once it is no longer supported, there wont' be any fixes.
1784 [22:24:07] <somiaj> !squeeze lts
1785 [22:24:07] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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1788 [22:24:42] <somiaj> yea, even squeeze lts support has stoped since 2016, so there are probably multiple secure vulnabilities
1789 [22:24:47] <warsoul> why i cant change my wallpaper?
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1791 [22:25:06] <voices_> somiaj: right, so maybe there's something that's been reported in the meantime that i can use
1792 [22:25:15] <somiaj> warsoul: we don't know, you should be able to. There are lots of tools to set the xorg wallpaper, and what you use often depends on what DE/wm being used.
1793 [22:25:21] <voices_> what does lts stand for again i forget
1794 [22:25:23] <lupine> through exploiting all those enterprises
1795 [22:25:30] <BCMM> voices_: long term support
1796 [22:25:34] <somiaj> voices_: long term support, which is a group that takes over after the debain security team stops.
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1798 [22:26:01] <warsoul> somiaj, i can just put the ones that brings the xfce
1799 [22:26:10] <warsoul> the ones saved online is not letting me
1800 [22:26:23] <voices_> ah i see. why? just becuase?
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1805 [22:27:30] <BCMM> voices_: a few people, for various reasons, want to carry on using a specific debian release long after it is obsolete. usually due to one particular piece of software that they can't upgrade for some reason.
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1807 [22:27:58] <BCMM> voices_: LTS is different from normal debian support though, and only covers a relatively small subset of packages
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1810 [22:29:49] <somiaj> I think relatively small is a bit missleading (since most packages wont' need any support), but yes, they only fix CVEs that affect mostly server side softawre, and leave most desktop software alone.
1811 [22:30:17] <somiaj> There is even a program you can run to let you know what packages you have were not fixed
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1818 [22:35:22] <voices_> somiaj: oh yeah? what is it?
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1820 [22:36:12] <somiaj> !lts
1821 [22:36:12] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
1822 [22:36:14] <Gigglebyte> is there a burning program that will allow me to burn to usb? I only have xfcburn on my laptop, and it will only burn to cd/dvd.
1823 [22:36:21] <somiaj> voices_: I dno't use lts, check the wiki
1824 [22:36:21] <voices_> BCMM: yeah, but i thought that's what the community support thing was anyway
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1826 [22:37:07] <somiaj> voices_: replaced-url
1827 [22:37:11] <dipaso> Gigglebyte, dd
1828 [22:37:20] <somiaj> there is a check-support-status program from the debian-security-support package
1829 [22:37:32] <somiaj> Gigglebyte: what do you want to copy to usb?
1830 [22:37:47] <Gigglebyte> somiaj> Debian live CD
1831 [22:37:47] <somiaj> Gigglebyte: I suggest cp over dd, but a lot depends on what you want to 'burn' to usb.
1832 [22:38:12] <Gigglebyte> I have two partitions on the USB, and want to replace a bad distro on the 2nd partition.
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1834 [22:38:16] <somiaj> Gigglebyte: yea, the debian images, the manuall suggest using cp, 'cp foo.iso /dev/sdX', where sdX is the device you want to copy to (be careful it will destory all data on that device)
1835 [22:38:19] <voices_> somiaj: yeah, i use dd or unetbootin in the past
1836 [22:38:34] <somiaj> voices_: unetbootin can mangale debian installers and should be avoided
1837 [22:38:48] <voices_> never had a problem with it
1838 [22:39:08] <somiaj> Gigglebyte: you can't just copy the image to a single partition, the image is already has a full partition table and boot info, you have to copy it to the whole drive, destorying both partitions
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1840 [22:39:27] <somiaj> Gigglebyte: there are some guides on how to get around this, but they often require syslinux and a bunch more work.
1841 [22:40:00] <Gigglebyte> It might be easier to just copy the firmware from partition 1 to the backup laptop that I am using now.
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1844 [22:40:52] <voices_> or maybe i have, but i think it always got me ther in the end. pretty sure i use dd to unpack disk images onto thumbdrives and whatnot
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1846 [22:41:49] <somiaj> yea, cp is just suggested in the debain install guide because cp has a bit nicer defaults than dd
1847 [22:42:32] <somiaj> they both work, but tools like untebootin that don't do raw writes can cause problems because they try to make it bootable modifing the image which is already bootable on both legacy and uefi systems, and works on both usb and cds
1848 [22:45:15] <voices_> well, i mean.. i dont see how they're comparable. cp will just copy the .iso to the disk as a file. dd will unpack everything in the iso like it does when burning a disc, so you get the whole directory tree. unless i'm missing something
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1850 [22:45:44] <voices_> yeah, noew that you mention it, i do recall unetbootin being kinda troublesome
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1852 [22:46:15] <somiaj> voices_: they do the same thing, they do a byte per byte copy, dd is way more configurable (you can configure the block read/write size) and has a lot of lower level control, but the defaults of cp are better for most systems without any extra config flags.
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1854 [22:46:57] <somiaj> this often just affects copy time, and in the end they both work just fine. cp also has more common syntax that more people are familar with.
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1860 [22:50:12] <somiaj> yea, seems dd means 'copy and convert' so it can do stuff that cp cannot, but in most cases these features are not needed. Here is a nice description about cp too, "This is a more "higher" level of abstraction, where you can copy directories recursively, without caring about block size, file conversion, etc."
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1863 [22:50:35] <voices_> what? if you cp an iso file to a disk, you're going to have an iso file on a disk. if you dd an iso file to a disk you're going to have the whole operating system on a disk. isn't that the whole reason people use dd? unless cp has some functionality i've never heard of
1864 [22:50:50] <somiaj> voices_: you are copying the iso to the device (not the filesystem)
1865 [22:51:02] <somiaj> voices_: dd can copy files to file systems just like cp can too
1866 [22:51:04] <annadane> i know there are some philosophic differences between cp and dd but i've never really bothered to find out what they are
1867 [22:51:20] <annadane> they both work ok to me :P
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1869 [22:51:31] <somiaj> voices_: cp foo.iso /dev/sdX will copy foo.iso to the device /dev/sdX
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1871 [22:52:02] <annadane> most i've managed to scope out is "cp for simple options, dd for more flexibility"
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1873 [22:52:14] <somiaj> voices_: that distinction is not correct, in both cases it is about where the data is being coppied to, is it being copied to the file system (like /mnt/usb) or is it being coppied directly to the deivce, /dev/sdX
1874 [22:52:26] <somiaj> dd can copy a file from one file system to another just like cp too.
1875 [22:52:29] <voices_> somiaj: and it will do the same job as dd in that situation?
1876 [22:52:32] <somiaj> replaced-url
1877 [22:53:19] <somiaj> voices_: My experience is many people have a misconception of what dd actually is, at some level it is just a lower level copy tool, or 'copy and convert' not just copy, and it is only called 'dd', becuse 'cc' was already being used for the c complier
1878 [22:53:46] <voices_> if you insist it's true, i'll believe you, but i'll be surprized
1879 [22:53:54] <somiaj> though modern use seems to be use dd to copy disk images and cp to copy file trees in file systems, this is just convention and not about the tools.
1880 [22:54:09] <voices_> yeah it's like.. the lowest level
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1882 [22:54:34] <annadane> i've used dd to copy BSD images to USB sticks just because that's officially recommended but i'm sure cp would work too
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1885 [22:54:49] <voices_> i alwaysthought of dd as meaning "direct dump" or something like that
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1887 [22:54:55] <somiaj> its the 'and convert' that makes dd different than cp, though this isn't needed as much
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1895 [22:56:13] <mns> somiaj: cp foo.iso /dev/sdX will give you a file called /dev/sdX it will not write to the device located at /dev/sdX
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1897 [22:56:39] <somiaj> mns: it will write to that device. I copy all my debian.iso files to usb that way
1898 [22:56:59] <somiaj> provided of couse you use the correct device /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc. I always use sdX because the user needs to know what device to copy to
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1900 [22:57:22] <somiaj> never want to write a command someoen can copy/paste and take out their main harddrive for isntance
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1903 [22:57:37] <voices_> you can tell it to dump n bytes and stop, etc. i use it sometimes to zero a disk by writing bytes from /dev/zero
1904 [22:58:44] <warsoul> how can i change after long time with no use the pc i have to log in back again
1905 [22:58:48] <somiaj> yea, dd has its uses and can do things cp cannot do, such as control block size read/writes, how many blocks, etc
1906 [22:59:05] <somiaj> warsoul: do you mean you need to recover the root or user password?
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1908 [23:00:31] <mns> somiaj: I have never used cp to transfer files like that, it has always been dd. Is that a GNU cp thing ? 'cp' is supposed to be higher level then what dd does.
1909 [23:00:32] <somiaj> warsoul: or do you mean you want to disable your locking feature, so your desktop never locks and requires you to enter in the password to get back to it?
1910 [23:01:03] <voices_> oh weird, i followed the link you gave me, it looks like debian has a bunch of channels on OFTC
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1912 [23:01:16] <somiaj> mns: nope, it works in other places too. cp is a higher level tool, you can't control block size read/writes, how many blocks, etc, and it won't convert ASCII to little-endian.
1913 [23:01:24] <somiaj> !oftc move
1914 [23:01:25] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
1915 [23:01:53] <somiaj> voices_: oftc is the 'offical' debian irc network, this is the only channel left on #freenode due to the amount of users who use it.
1916 [23:01:53] <voices_> strange
1917 [23:02:01] <voices_> i see
1918 [23:02:06] <voices_> do you use the other one as well
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1920 [23:02:27] <somiaj> mns: but the reason the debian install guide recommends using cp instead of dd, is on most hardware cp just has nicer defaults and dose th ejob.
1921 [23:02:35] <somiaj> voices_: yea, I'm on both networks.
1922 [23:02:56] <voices_> is there other good stuff on that network
1923 [23:03:20] <voices_> also with dd it's much easier to bork your everything
1924 [23:03:22] <somiaj> for the most part I only know of the debian channels on oftc, so unsure what else is there.
1925 [23:03:36] <voices_> to whoever was asking
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1927 [23:04:08] <somiaj> freenode was having an identiy crisis in 2006, and debian choose to move, but the network seemed to recover from that
1928 [23:04:22] <annadane> is it easier? if my hard drive with all my critical files on it is /dev/sda and i cp linux.iso /dev/sda wouldn't it break the same way
1929 [23:04:33] <somiaj> I don't know the deatils of all the drama that ensured, I was around at the time, but just didn't pay entough attention.
1930 [23:04:40] <annadane> er, well no, because it'd be mounted
1931 [23:04:46] <somiaj> annadane: it would break it
1932 [23:04:48] <annadane> though if you had it unmounted...
1933 [23:04:54] <mns> somiaj: most documentation I've ever ran into, or used, has always said to use 'dd' when writing to a device.
1934 [23:05:20] <somiaj> being mounted won't stop you from writing drirectly to the device and destorying your system.
1935 [23:05:21] <mns> learn something new everyday around here
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1937 [23:05:47] <somiaj> mns: yea, as I mentioned there is a lot that think dd is for disk imageing and cp is for filesystems, but that is just convention but not true.
1938 [23:05:47] <annadane> right, because it should be the mount point, not device label
1939 [23:05:50] <annadane> i'm stupid.
1940 [23:06:27] <somiaj> they are both just doing copies, and it is the kernel allow you to write to the device via the node /dev/sdX
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1953 [23:15:33] <warsoul> somiaj i want that if i let my pc on stays like that
1954 [23:15:39] <warsoul> no passsword to log back in
1955 [23:15:40] <warsoul> etc.
1956 [23:15:54] <warsoul> if i turn off the monitor is asking for password
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1970 [23:23:26] <eblip> ptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
1971 [23:23:44] <eblip> and another stating ptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
1972 [23:23:52] <eblip> which one is the best to use on debian
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1975 [23:24:56] <somiaj> warsoul: this depends on your desktop, go to your desktop settings and look around on how to disable the 'lock', which makes you have to enter in your password after a certain time of inactivity for security reasons.
1976 [23:25:11] <somiaj> warsoul: this might also be under screen saver or power savings. I don't use desktops so unsure where this is located.
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1978 [23:26:10] <somiaj> eblip: if no one answers here, maybe try ##networking to see what the differences are. I doubt it matters if it is debian or not on the differnces. And better may depend on use case.
1979 [23:26:18] <somiaj> (I don't know enough to give a good answer)
1980 [23:26:20] <eblip> thanks somiaj
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1988 [23:39:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys whats the zfs channel again
1989 [23:39:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> i forgot how to search and yes i know you told me a few days ago...
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1991 [23:41:15] <OerHeks> interesting
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1993 [23:41:59] <siouxscout> #openzfs?
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1998 [23:44:42] <asymptotically> Eryn_1983_FL: try /list
1999 [23:45:50] <jmcnaught> or "/msg alis list zfs"
2000 [23:46:08] <_ioannis> Hello people, I'm on buster, using NetworkManager and keep getting ((src/settings/nm-settings-connection.c:361)): assertion '<dropped>' failed in the logs. I Googled that but it seems whoever had it had extraneous or interfaces in their systems, I do not seem to have anything like that, any suggestions? Thanks in advance!
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2016 [23:53:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> at asymptotically
2017 [23:53:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> tv asymptotically
2018 [23:53:48] <Eryn_1983_FL> ty
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2021 [23:53:57] <Maws> Hi!, any idea why I get this message "make[1]: depmod: Command not found" when doing a make clean; make install command.......
2022 [23:54:47] <Maws> (what do I need to install to get depmod) :)
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2025 [23:58:05] <somiaj> Maws: depmod is part of kmod which is an important package so should be installed. Are you running this as root?
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