4[00:02:04] <jelly> ghoti: it's better than nothing, and if you want php 7.3 use debian 10 as platform (starting from your existing installation that would mean a release upgrade from 8 to 9, and them another one from 9 to 10)
6[00:03:33] <ghoti> ya.. things are complicated further by the fact that I'm in a container in proxmox, so this'll have to be part of a larger upgrade project...
13[00:04:45] <ghoti> Do you think running a dotdeb package is better than running php5 (which fell off the security update train in January)? I'm leaning that way.
27[00:12:17] <brutser> guys, cryptsetup is giving a message during boot "cryptsetup: Waiting for encrypted device /dev/xxx" it usually gives that when it cannot find the device (yet), but in case i have a usb/mini-pcie device, i guess the timing is different too and it display this message, although it can find the device right after that. does anyone know where this
28[00:12:18] <brutser> message originate? i know it reads crypttab and then try to find/mount/decrypt the device it reads there, if it's the internal hdd it won't display the message. So i would like to 1. know where it originates from 2. can i somehow influence the behavior and suppress this message or have it wait or whatever?
56[00:27:43] <dgriffi> why am I getting complaints from wodim of "Cannot load media with this drive!" "Try to load media by hand." "Cannot load media." ?
57[00:27:58] <dgriffi> This drive and computer worked fine with Wodim before upgrading to Debian 10.
152[01:17:06] <themill> iamtheworstdev: how did you copy the image to the usb stick?
153[01:17:21] <iamtheworstdev> balana etcher
154[01:17:32] <iamtheworstdev> windows util to burn images to usb
155[01:18:29] <themill> !etcher
156[01:18:30] <dpkg> Initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows. replaced-url
157[01:19:20] <iamtheworstdev> no kiddin
158[01:19:42] <iamtheworstdev> wonder why that is. it's the recommended tool for raspberry images
165[01:21:01] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
166[01:21:29] <somiaj> though maybe the factoid should be updated, it is more much more relaibable than whatever tool you happen to use on windows (etchr in this cease)
186[01:33:15] <freenick1> Hello i have a question regarding linux/GNU, am i welcome to ask?
187[01:34:33] <freenick1> A friend suggested me parrot-os from parrotsec.org but parrotlinux.domain is the only one showing up in search, parrotsec.org does not show up in search, am i SCAMMED?
192[01:35:42] <somiaj> Also in general security and pen testing distros (parrot/kali) are not good distros to learn on, they often have modified kernels or missing software one would expect in a desktop.
198[01:38:03] <themill> earend1: the packages ship md5sums of the files to guard against hardware failures, accidental modification etc. md5sums are at best a rudimentary security measure. `dpkg --verify` or `debsums`
282[02:08:48] <themill> somiaj: only md5sums within the .deb packages; the Packages and Release files (which are what give you security on the downloads) have stronger hashes
283[02:08:55] <folial> and those missing packages are back
339[02:42:03] <woddf2> When I installed the most recent kernel update, I lost Wi-Fi before I even rebooted. None of the usual iwconfig, ifup, ifdown, etc commands work. Ethernet still works, though. How do I get Wi-Fi back?
353[02:57:25] <somiaj> woddf2: 'ip a' first do you see your device, then check dmesg to see info about it. Maybe tell us what wifi chip you are using. (also what version of debian are you running and what did you upgrade to)
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366[03:07:40] <woddf2> somiaj: firmware-iwlwifi is the firmware package. Debian version is 10.1 (Buster). Kernels are 4.19.0-5-amd64 (old) and 4.19.0-6-amd64 (new).
367[03:08:23] <ksk> woddf2: "dmesg | grep -i firmware" would normally show if the kernel things it is missing firmware for something
423[03:50:10] <uupz> hey all, was wondering if someone might have some input for me...i was using networkmanager in order to connect to my wifi network, however, when I ssh from my desktop to my linux machine and perform a reboot, the system does not come back on with connectivity. I then logon as a user, and my wifi cards are completely down. However, if i do a shutdown and a manual start up, the wifi networks are detected and the card is up...i've
424[03:50:11] <uupz> tried both NetworkManager and WICD...any input would be greatly appreciated!
425[03:50:51] <uupz> it seems as if something is not reloading properly on the reboot
489[04:30:37] <dvs> If only if we can speak Spanish
490[04:32:21] <ksk> dudebr: do the same with "LANG=C; apt-get remove $pkg" (iirc it was LANG, not 100% sure..) - it should make the output a little bit more understandable for us..
521[04:58:46] <ksk> (If you already know you messed up your system by randomly deleting files you might reconsider and spare us the effort - and just reinstall.. :P )
527[05:04:40] <ksk> /bin/sh: 1: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: not found -> your apt seems to think you have apt-listchanges installed - but the file is not there anymore
528[05:05:52] <ksk> /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.postinst: 6: /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.postinst: pycompile: not found -> pycompile is part of the python package, and you seem to be missing that, too
529[05:06:10] <ksk> WHY are you missing that files? You should never ever delete anything which is not in your users HOME directory
530[05:07:36] <dudebr> i installed python3 after trash-cli piped some things to code and the system now is a mess
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532[05:08:07] <ksk> "piped some things to code" - what does that mean?
533[05:08:29] <ksk> also, installing python3 (or using apt, in general) does not mess up your system. Debian is a very stable operating system.
534[05:08:31] <dudebr> used pip to download libraries
545[05:13:21] <ksk> the whole purpose of pip is that you can run it as user, and install everything you need - without ever adding anything system-wide
574[05:34:42] <jhutchins> It's not a bad idea to dedicate a system, perhapps a VM, to be a python development envoronment, separate from the system you use for regular work.
575[05:35:15] <jhutchins> Roundcube 22:08 < ksk> "piped some things to code" - what does that mean?
592[05:50:18] <ksk> ben_: bullseye is testing? go debian-next then..
593[05:50:21] <ksk> !debian-next
594[05:50:21] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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659[06:33:19] <EdePopede> dudebr: look into kern.log (i usually have it running in a screen window) for the device. or into /dev/disk/by-... whatever you may recognize (manufacturer, strings like "pendrive" etc)
660[06:35:12] <EdePopede> dudebr: have one on the other PC. there is /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Verbatiom_STORE_N_GO_$foo for example
710[07:14:42] <Henry151> hey folks, i'm trying to get wireguard working and having some trouble, the wg-quick up wg0 script seems to fail because of no command called "resolvconf," but when i install openresolv it still isn't working, i think because openresolv and systemd-resolvd or something aren't playing nicely together
711[07:14:47] <Henry151> anybody want to help me sort it out?
744[07:49:59] <EdePopede> diogenes_: syslog still there in buster? looking for the name of that thing (i always expect it to be syslog-something) i found an article saying that fedora 20 removed it completely
745[07:50:20] <BoyDoy> like this apache2 replaced-url
751[07:51:29] <EdePopede> and the lower ports are officially assigned to some specific service usually (like 80/443 to http/https). take care if you misuse them
752[07:51:53] <annadane> arr matey, spyware in yonder port.
753[07:51:55] <EdePopede> ah, ok. 10 is free as per /etc/services
755[07:53:53] <EdePopede> uh, there are a couple of "Unassigned" ports in that area even per iana list. wondering if there used to be some ancient long forgotten services running on them.
756[07:54:22] <annadane> wouldn't apache basically have port suggestions listed somewhere
757[07:54:28] <annadane> i know nothing but i'd assume so
767[07:59:14] <EdePopede> this kind of document was about the first things i've read when i'd put my hands on linux for the first time (minute based internet, 56k modem, no wikipedia) and then i don't like to use things i don't understand. that's all :)
768[08:00:09] <BoyDoy> i like may apache listento port 8000
770[08:00:51] <EdePopede> BoyDoy: no problem. works even when you run it as normal user (since >1024). you just have to tell it so in the conf or on the command line
772[08:02:47] <EdePopede> if you don't know how this works in general, look into /etc/apache2, debian has a pretty flexible setup with a main conf file 'Include'ing some more stuff. even the ports are in an extra file, so you'd just have to rename it (never DELETE conf files if there's an alternative) and put your own into place
773[08:03:14] <BoyDoy> how can i do this --> apache2 replaced-url
774[08:03:50] <BoyDoy> i view using lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN
775[08:04:20] <EdePopede> heh, finally someone using lsof for the task as i do :)
783[08:07:48] <EdePopede> these settings are each made by a simply config option in the conf files, there may be also some XML like block for further settings
785[08:08:18] <BoyDoy> ok. i dont need to allow or set on my firewall?
786[08:08:52] <EdePopede> BoyDoy: LISTEN only means that there's a service, well... listening to it, thus running to use that port. unlike for example your chat client and your browser which may have lines ending with (ESTABLISHED)
787[08:09:14] <EdePopede> the firewall would block it, if is told so. but should still work on the same pc
790[08:10:14] <EdePopede> `iptables` -L should show you your fw settings
791[08:10:21] <EdePopede> `iptables -L`
792[08:10:37] <BoyDoy> no appear any
793[08:11:18] <BoyDoy> i using lsof -i -P -n | grep LISTEN i see all LISTEN port i have
794[08:11:23] <EdePopede> then it should work. but if you don't need the world accessing your httpd you should set it up accordingly (Listen directive iirc)
797[08:12:11] <Mdlpe> diogenes_: I don't know. I got some crash with and external raid hdd. It completly brake the system, (no more usb on any plug). Strange
810[08:22:33] <EdePopede> BoyDoy: ports are open by default. you can block them (firewall) or you can use them by setting up a service (daemon in unix terms) listening on it
811[08:23:22] <EdePopede> BoyDoy: btw, you should omit the <> around nicks, first of all it looks like the paste of what i said and then it also may break the highlightning in clients
812[08:23:43] <Mdlpe> EdePopede: oct. 01 04:58:55 debian kernel: [Firmware Bug]: ACPI MWAIT C-state 0x0 not supported by HW (0x0)
835[08:33:31] <EdePopede> but i never had any relevant ACPI problems, so i'm not really into bugfixing it. my first suggestion would have been to play a bit with Grub's ACPI options
836[08:34:42] <EdePopede> and there's also EDD (Enhanced Disk Drive), may also have an effect
930[09:43:28] <Haohmaru> i think there is a canal between france and debian ;P~
931[09:43:44] <EdePopede> nah, that's britain
932[09:43:55] <Haohmaru> no, i'm almost sure there is one
933[09:43:56] <EdePopede> !fr
934[09:43:57] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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941[09:45:41] <annadane> we were discussing this in OFTC (i hope this isn't too off topic but it's 4 AM and no one else has questions) and the non english channels really don't have a lot of people
942[09:45:59] <annadane> i considered editing dpkg's factoids to include "...or ask in the mailing lists"
943[09:46:02] <annadane> for that specific language
947[09:47:31] <annadane> #debian-es on oftc has what, 20 people
948[09:47:36] <EdePopede> can confirm this for the german channel (next to 10am here btw ;)), been there long time ago, asked something, after i think 2 days i repeated the question here. which got answered by someone also being in -de :D
949[09:47:41] <annadane> your odds of getting your question answered are basically zero
957[09:51:53] <annadane> i'm just casually scrolling through freebsd's documentation and from a very brief skim it seems like *all* of the russian freebsd handbook is indeed translated into russian
958[09:52:18] <annadane> debian... is fine for what it is and it's more than a little unfair to expect "someone else" to do all the work but...
983[09:59:06] <Haohmaru> i wonder what OS the vatican uses for their servers ;P~
984[09:59:17] <EdePopede> technically english is a horrible language. it doesn't use any special letters, but that's really the only advantage. maybe besides mostly not using arbitrary and random gender cases (sun and moon, which one of them is male, which female?), but then...
991[10:01:25] <annadane> BSD is developed en masse by one company/community and linux distros pluck a bunch of stuff from upstream, stands to reason BSDs are more cohesive
992[10:01:35] <annadane> downside is linux gets more mindshare/actual work contributed to it
995[10:02:15] <BrainWork> hi, apt-cache packagenames shows all packages that are available to install, as well as those installed, correct?
996[10:02:17] <ratrace> I really wish that myth would die about BSD being one coherent whole as opposed to linux. all the major distros maintain and develop their base OS as one coherent whole.
997[10:02:40] <jmd> I've just upgraded to 10.1 and now it seems that both ~/.xsession and ~/.xinitrc are ignored . How can I fix this?
998[10:02:46] <BrainWork> i read a hardening howto that said it showed what was installed, and the help for it says "pkgnames - List the names of all packages in the system"
999[10:02:51] <ratrace> BSDs also pick parts from upstream. ZFS for starters. LLVM/CLANG. And many other components are NOT developed by BSD
1000[10:02:58] <BrainWork> what exactly is the defintion of "in the system"?
1001[10:03:21] <ratrace> jmd: hasn't it always been ~/.xsessionrc on Debian?
1002[10:04:12] <ratrace> BrainWork: which how to? no crystall ball here, but I'm guessing the author meant "installed by and known to the package manager"
1019[10:07:54] <EdePopede> though some kind of peer review wouldn't be bad (see stackexchange: "this question was protected... spam... low quality...")
1020[10:08:02] <hesco> what channel would be a good place to ask about nfs connectivity debug guidance?
1021[10:08:05] <ratrace> jmd: do for what exactly are you doing there? startx?
1025[10:10:22] <BrainWork> ratrace: this one, step 8: replaced-url
1026[10:10:25] <BrainWork> it seems very outdated
1027[10:10:50] <BrainWork> im reading a bunch of these to make sure nothing has changed in the couple of years since i last installed linux as a gateway device
1028[10:11:45] <BrainWork> e.g. in that howto, nearly all the sshd config, if not all of it, is now default as of 2019
1033[10:13:52] <ws2k3> im trying to upgrade mysql 5.6 to mysql 5.7.26 on ubuntu 14.04(based on jessie) since the mysql repo is down im trying to upgrade it using .deb packages replaced-url
1068[10:22:00] <ws2k3> ratrace: ayekat i know. but since the ubuntu guys are to retarted to say anything usefull i was like maby someone here can advise. cause its not rocket science to upgrade a package using downloaded .deb files
1072[10:24:10] <ratrace> ws2k3: yes it is rocket science. Ubuntu is NOT Debian. Ubuntu only from time to time sources from the ROLLING RELEASE Debian Unstable and then modifieds heavily. The two systems are very different in many respects.
1073[10:24:14] <ayekat> yeah, calling community members "retarded" is a great way to get help...
1074[10:25:34] <ratrace> ws2k3: I mean what exactly do you expect us to do here? TIAS. wget the deb and apt install it, see what happens.
1078[10:26:11] <annadane> you're already on an outdated ubuntu and now you're trying to update mysql using .deb files which are for debian and probably won't work
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1081[10:26:34] <annadane> i mean yes i've seen .deb used for ubuntu too but still
1082[10:26:35] <ws2k3> annadane: im using .deb files that are build for 14.04
1083[10:26:36] <ratrace> ws2k3: yes I have. that's what you get when you install one package on a totally different distro. not sure what you expect us to do now
1084[10:26:46] <ayekat> well, the .deb files are for ubuntu, though
1088[10:27:05] <ratrace> ws2k3: "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libmysqlclient-dev" --- YES, different versions, different packages... no can do.
1094[10:28:24] <ratrace> why don't you upgrade to xenial or bionic?
1095[10:28:27] <ws2k3> i did a apt-get update;apt-get upgrade -y yesterday on a few machines all work fine
1096[10:28:53] <ws2k3> ratrace: if this was a possebility i would already have done it. but we need to finish some projects first before we can move on
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1098[10:29:38] <ws2k3> ratrace: also. i have downloaded libmysqlclient-dev and libmysqlclient20 and im also trying to install them. see my pastebin.
1102[10:30:39] <ratrace> ws2k3: I won't. this is really offtopic in #debian. you're using outdated ubuntu and trying to install packages from another distro.
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1104[10:31:01] <ayekat> can dpkg handle simultaneous version upgrades, actually? because looking at that error message, it looks like the operations should succeed
1105[10:31:07] <ayekat> (regardless of whether this is ubuntu or debian)
1106[10:31:38] <ws2k3> ayekat: exacly my point
1107[10:31:52] <ratrace> ws2k3: btw... 14.04 can do snaps, right?
1108[10:32:06] <ayekat> ws2k3: I'd try removing the conflicting mysql packages there, and then install the .deb files in a second step
1109[10:32:09] <ratrace> install mysql from snaps then.
1110[10:32:16] <ayekat> or yeah, snaps, maybe
1111[10:32:26] <ws2k3> yeah snaps is a good idea to check out
1112[10:32:29] <ratrace> snaps are designed for this very purpose
1115[10:32:59] <ratrace> cross installing debs is only gonna result with huge mess. different versions, different dependencies, in some cases package renames..... just... no.
1120[10:35:33] <ratrace> ws2k3: then perhaps ask #mysql for help? it's their package then.
1121[10:35:39] <ayekat> ws2k3: the "official" has no meaning, because it's built by a third party - i.e. as far as ubuntu is concerned, it's as inofficial as anything else
1124[10:39:00] <ayekat> hesco: not very familiar with docker, but it looks like you have to connect to localhost on ports 111 and 2049 (that's how the ports appear to be mapped in your first paste, at least)
1130[10:41:17] <ratrace> ws2k3: well the snap has nothing to do with apt installed packages and they might conflict. snaps are isolated. did you try installing it?
1131[10:41:30] <ayekat> "doesnt work" is not very descriptive :-)
1132[10:41:33] <avu> knullare: that's a dangerous misconception, docker is decidedly *not* a VM, it's more like a chroot on steroids
1133[10:41:36] <ratrace> isolated = there's no upgrade happening, it's totally separate software installation
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1139[10:43:31] <ratrace> no it doesn't depend on that. dockers and VMs are different technologies with different goals only sharing very minimal common traits, like "isolated stuff"
1140[10:43:53] <BrainWork> ratrace: no, just debian. i'm picking out the generic linux parts of these howtos
1149[10:44:47] <ratrace> BrainWork: okay, so what's your question here really?
1150[10:45:20] <BrainWork> is the documentation of apt-cache pkgnames wrong?
1151[10:45:41] <ayekat> in what context?
1152[10:45:46] <ratrace> which documentation are you referring to?
1153[10:45:47] <BrainWork> i think it basically depends upon your interpretation of what a package 'in the system' is, e.g. is it 'in apt's database' or 'installed'?
1155[10:45:57] <BrainWork> type apt-cache on its own with no params
1156[10:46:09] <BrainWork> and look at the wording of the explaination of the pkgnames parameter
1157[10:46:20] <ratrace> BrainWork: that's the same thing. unless by "installed" you mean unpacking tarballs which apt has no idea about and thus apt-cache can't tell you anything
1171[10:48:34] <ratrace> BrainWork: you're conflating different things here. On debian, a package is a .deb. .deb files are managed by dpkg but higher level package management is done by apt.
1172[10:48:38] <hesco> I assume those are the ports an NFS client wants to find, but am not really practiced with NFS
1173[10:48:49] <jmd> So that raises the question, how do I tell gdm to use my prefered window manager?
1174[10:49:14] <ratrace> BrainWork: so if you're installing with "apt" then apt's database is relevant. if you're unpacking random tarballs outside of apt, that's not installing with the package manager and apt can't know about those files
1175[10:49:33] <ayekat> hesco: so far I see that you are trying to connect to 192.168.51.114 instead of your local machine
1176[10:49:37] <ratrace> jmd: gdm has the ability to choose session, there should be a cog icon next to login button or something
1181[10:50:38] <ratrace> jmd: last time I tried gdm it was a bit convoluted. gdm remembers you from last time and offers only one login button so I had to tell it "that's not me" to get to the top-level login screen where the cog was.
1182[10:50:52] <jmd> jelly: Yeah that's what I expected, but I can't see any such thing. And I'd really like to set a default one for me.
1183[10:51:02] <hesco> ayekat: yes, from 192.168.51.121, I am trying to connect back to 192.168.51.114
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1185[10:51:42] <ayekat> hesco: yes, but 192.168.51.144 is the IP address of your docker container
1186[10:51:58] <ayekat> why do you connect to that IP address?
1187[10:52:19] <ayekat> because it maps the ports to 111 and 2049 on your host machine
1188[10:52:40] <ayekat> (again, I'm not familiar with namespaced networking, even less so under docker)
1189[10:52:42] <hesco> ayekat: no, .114 is the address of the docker host which is running my NFS docker container.
1191[10:53:42] <hesco> docker uses NAT through iptables to route traffic from a software defined network on the host machine to the physical NICs on the host.
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1193[10:54:21] <ayekat> ah, so I got that wrong there
1194[10:54:24] <hesco> ayekat: that is what we mean in docker when we discuss 'EXPOSE'ing a port
1195[10:55:12] <ws2k3> got it fixed. turns out the ubuntu package is not the same as the mysql package from mysql. so all i needed to do was to remove all mysql package and then dpkg -i *.deb
1237[11:21:21] <annadane> redshift... is there a way to like, stop it after i exit a DE/WM, because i see that the process keeps running but the brightness is obviously not the same as it was
1238[11:22:08] <annadane> and sometimes i've also had instances where on exiting and re-entering xorg if i have redshift in my de/wm autostart then i get multiple instances of it running
1239[11:22:25] <annadane> i guess that actually was a question
1272[11:32:56] <Eightynine> By the way it's not the only thing, Gnome Software didn't work on fresh installation until I did "sudo apt update". And I cant install flatpak from GUI, it stucks at 0%.
1273[11:33:18] <annadane> i just tried it with gedit and it works fine for me
1298[11:41:29] <Eightynine> I didn't like Gnome too, seems like it was made for tablets. Such a stupid interface and takes a lot of resources. I remember I tried Debian for the first time and it came with Gnome 3.8. It was lagging because at that time I had Radeon card and it required proprietary software (which hasn't been installed). It was very bad experience.
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1300[11:42:07] <Haohmaru> afaik gnome tries to look like crApple OS
1301[11:42:17] <Haohmaru> that's why it would suck
1302[11:42:18] <annadane> i think xfce is a fair bit more intuitive and if anything probably should be the default
1303[11:42:35] <Haohmaru> yeah, xfce and LXDE are more sane
1304[11:42:41] <annadane> or mate or whatever if you really need gnome technology
1305[11:42:42] <humbot> heheh
1306[11:42:54] <Haohmaru> i want muh window titlebars
1307[11:42:55] <humbot> they suit a certain kind of person
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1309[11:43:40] <Eightynine> Haohmaru, Yes, I hate that shitty OS too. Stupid design, interface and memory hungry. When I had 4 GB RAM and used Safari on El Capitan it took all my RAM. Even Windows with Chrome didn't do that.
1310[11:43:43] <humbot> gnome is the only one really trying to do system management in the gui and that is what people coming to debian expect
1311[11:43:43] <annadane> "but gnome is enterprise" then enterprise people can always choose that manually
1312[11:43:52] <annadane> fair enough
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1314[11:44:21] <annadane> but still... gnome logs crashing? *really*?
1315[11:44:23] <Haohmaru> humbot system management? what does that mean exactly?
1319[11:44:55] <Eightynine> annadane, For some reason XFCE works bad for me (at least on Debian). It just locks with black screen during monitor standby mode.
1320[11:45:04] <humbot> other desktops simply don't have a solution for that, so they don't have a problem
1330[11:46:07] <Haohmaru> i don't understand that answer *shrug*
1331[11:46:34] <Haohmaru> do you mean like "being able to operate most things like settings and configuration from GUI" ?
1332[11:46:44] <Eightynine> MATE is badly designed, I mean when you open drop down menu you see a lot of empty space in the list. They need more programmers and designers. But they don't have anough money and time.
1341[11:48:51] <annadane> "However, these files and folders are mounted from the heavily compressed data that’s stored within the original snap, located in /var/lib/snapd/snaps. These snaps take far less space on your system than their mount points imply:"
1342[11:49:23] <annadane> i can't stand how MATE looks. if i want a full DE, i'll go xfce every time
1343[11:49:37] <Eightynine> I remember one day I joined MATE chat and asked them to enhance the DE and they were trolling me. That's stupid behaviour. And look at this (my report) replaced-url
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1349[11:51:30] <annadane> i think mate is a bit faster but i'm not too fond of their application suite and it's probably faster because it's more quickly developed than xfce, of course by the time debian bullseye becomes stable we'll probably have xfce 4.16
1360[11:52:50] <Haohmaru> my collegue loves kde x_x
1361[11:53:09] <annadane> i know i3 is supposed to be this great thing but i've really come to feel xfce naturally fits my workflow, it just does
1362[11:53:10] <darxmurf> I had long ago USB problems after dist upgrade, it's back again and I can't remember how I fixed it, it was just a package to reinstall. Any idea of which one? USB keys can't be mounted
1363[11:53:20] <annadane> even being keyboard focused
1364[11:53:49] <ratrace> darxmurf: you'll have to be more precise. "usb keys can't be mounted" makes little senes
1368[11:55:25] <Eightynine> ratrace, I understand but why should be kidding when reporting an issue? If they said "You are not kidding" then they thought I'm kidding first.
1387[11:58:45] <Eightynine> Someone here told me "All desktops in Debian are well tested" but in my case only Gnome works more properly than others. Why is that?
1388[11:58:52] <annadane> also: is this debian stable?
1389[11:59:18] <darxmurf> ratrace: nop apparently not, I have to go in front of the machine to test that but there is no /dev/ device created. I had this issue before and it was just something to reinstall... damn I should have write that somewhere :D
1390[11:59:18] <annadane> well we established gedit and gnome logs don't work, so... :P
1396[12:01:09] <Eightynine> I don't understand MATE team. You have not enough people/money - start crowdfunding. You don't have time/passion for development - stop developing, let other people to do that.
1419[12:07:53] <Eightynine> They added new feature to their site. I clicked different links (or tabs) on their site and it either shows (active) or doesn't show that word. So that means some parts of their site are not active.
1420[12:07:57] <annadane> let's try not to get *too* off topic now, someone does have a question
1434[12:12:35] <annadane> Eightynine, depends on your question and how much of it applies to debian. but just ask and we can answer it or direct you properly
1475[12:30:55] <solido> i'm using gnome on debian buster. in the settings ui for choosing the desktop background, it doesn't seem to scan the ~/Pictures folder recursively, it only shows pictures that are direcly in the top level directory. any idea how to make it do recursive scans?
1483[12:35:08] <BrainWork> maybe a silly question, but "back in the old days" all the ethernet devices were called eth0, eth1, etc2 etc, and wireless devices called wlan0, wlan2...
1495[12:36:59] <ratrace> BrainWork: yeah, but that's since Jessie. you've been away from this quite some time, right? :) anyway, you can revert to ethX, wlanX
1496[12:37:18] <BrainWork> im ok with keeping them as-is, i'll just learn the new way :)
1497[12:37:23] <solido> that name seems a bit excessive... it's up to the kernel module, i suppose.
1503[12:38:33] <BrainWork> i was trying to be lazy there and tell you what the actual hardware device model was by googling that
1504[12:38:41] <ratrace> there's a set of rules how those names are detected and defined. personally I keep my machines at the old ethX naming scheme, but I bind them to their respective MAC addrss via systemd .link units
1507[12:39:07] <BrainWork> AzureWave AW-NU706H Wireless USB Half Mini card
1508[12:39:12] <EdePopede> for typical home setups it is complete overkill
1509[12:40:29] <ratrace> typical home setups don't usually care as it's all abstraced under Network Manager's "Wi-fi Connection! Click here!"
1510[12:40:36] <BrainWork> hmm i only just noticed that the "74f06d827b11" is the mac address of the device
1511[12:40:42] <BrainWork> more obvious a name now
1512[12:41:21] <ratrace> mmh-hm. they're supposedly predictable like that in that once the name is determined, it stay that way. in theory. but you can't often predict them in advance
1513[12:41:48] <BrainWork> ratrace: this is in a fanless celeron based x64 device with 4 network ports and wifi that ive set up as a basic NAT router
1514[12:41:48] <ratrace> I mean, you sort-of can by looking at what udev(adm) sees and then knowing the rules, determine whta the name would be, but without plugging it in? nope.
1515[12:42:15] <BrainWork> really, i wont be poking around inside the shell that often to need to worry, except every so often to run iftop or such
1516[12:42:37] <solido> you can probably add aliases in some way.
1517[12:42:48] <BrainWork> yeah im pretty sure thats possible
1518[12:44:44] <ratrace> yes, you can give them your own names.
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1520[12:45:14] <ratrace> then preferably bind them to their MACs so they stay that way even if pci bus layout somehow changes due to stupid bios or something
1528[12:49:22] <jmd> Whenever I reboot, my system's date is messed up. Presumably by some network service. I don't have ntp or ntpdate installed. how can I fix this?
1534[12:51:26] <solido> jmd: i don't think any other network service would touch your system clock. are you sure it's not an issue with the clock itself (poor battery etc so it loses time at each reboot)?
1548[12:54:57] <solido> jmd: are you dual-booting to some other operating system that might assume the hardware clock is in the local timezone as opposed to utc?
1549[12:55:01] <jmd> It's 10.1
1550[12:55:15] <ratrace> perhaps pastebin the output of `timedatectl`
1555[12:56:32] <fredl> hi folks. I've built an NFS root prototype server... running off of NFS root is kinda slow though so I wonder if there's a tool with which I can make an image on the NFS server that I can somehow dd to the new local disk on the target
1556[12:57:05] <fredl> I looked into clonezilla a bit but at first looks it seems to only make images of whole devices
1571[13:02:33] <ratrace> jmd: it's default. now you need to figure out two things: which main NTP= service you want to use, and why is default FallbackNTP timing out. see timesyncd.conf manpage for more info
1619[13:16:56] <solido> fredl: no, loop devices still need block devices as backing. and mounting the directory as a file system doesn't help (you can do that with a bind mount), you still need a block device to use 'dd', not a mounted filesystem.
1637[13:18:50] <ratrace> fredl: tar is exactly what you need to "copy of a filetree somehow though that I can simply dd to a device to get the same contents"
1650[13:20:51] <fredl> No, it's not gonna work because a tarfile is not a diskimage
1651[13:20:55] <ratrace> you want to grab a part of the filesystem tree. you can ONLY move it to another SAME filesystem, or package it up as a tar
1652[13:21:06] <ratrace> !xy
1653[13:21:07] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
1657[13:21:35] <ratrace> please read the above tidbit
1658[13:21:36] <fredl> Like I said, that's an option
1659[13:21:58] <fredl> tar is an option I mean
1660[13:22:02] <ratrace> so, what _really_ do you want to achieve? grab a dir and make it mountable elsewhere?
1661[13:22:11] <fredl> yup
1662[13:22:27] <fredl> See, currently I boot this VM off of my prototype NFS root
1663[13:22:42] <fredl> The NFS root sits on my NFS server in /nfsboot/prototype
1664[13:22:54] <fredl> It works great, but it's dog-slow
1665[13:23:01] <ratrace> right, you need to create a loop-back mounted image file, put ext4 or whatever filesystem on it, mount it, rsync cp or whatever our dir into that, then you have a portable image file you could mount on any linux system that supports them
1666[13:24:49] <ratrace> fredl: this looks like a quickly googled-up how-to on that very thing: replaced-url
1679[13:29:50] <iamtheworstdev> somiaj, last night I mentioned trying to burn the net installer from windows to USB and when I booted the installer complained about no cdrom
1681[13:30:10] <iamtheworstdev> the solution was to figure out which partition had the data (in my case /dev/sde2) and then `mount -t iso9660 /dev/sde2 /cdrom` ..
1682[13:30:11] <iamtheworstdev> just fyi
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1705[13:36:21] <darxmurf> and when I plus it on my system I can mount it
1706[13:36:33] <iamtheworstdev> ratrace, debian-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso using balana etcher and then win32diskimager per somiaj's advice
1707[13:36:54] <ratrace> darxmurf: "Partition Table: loop" loop means it didn't find the partition tables
1708[13:37:06] <iamtheworstdev> i saw a stackexchange where someone said they have the same problem I do if a BIOS setting (IOMMU?) is disabled/enabled
1709[13:37:14] <iamtheworstdev> but this worked just fine
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1718[13:39:04] <humbot> my mp3 player is like that, internal is mounted as /dev/sdb, sdcard as /dev/sdc1
1719[13:39:23] <ratrace> I mean I guess you can mount it directly wiht `mount` but automatic detection won't always work everywhere without a proper partition table
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1738[13:47:42] <g0zzy> Can someone please remind me what part of the system logging requires mysql server in some instances? I remember i had to set a password or something in mysql server so that logging can be done. It's playing havoc with my ability to log in as root
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1791[14:19:36] <darxmurf> ratrace: looks like the problems is with XFCE/Thunar
1792[14:19:59] <g0zzy> "debian-sys-maint" user is possibly at the bottom of this. I'd ask in #mysql, but this sort of thing is often seen as 'Debian bork' ;)
1804[14:24:39] <ratrace> g0zzy: you still haven't explained the symptoms you're seeing
1805[14:25:03] <ratrace> EdePopede: you mean hypervisor?
1806[14:26:09] <EdePopede> ratrace: not necessarily, just to get a user into touch with linux without changing everything and even the need to get out of windows (since without this a live stick would be ideal)
1807[14:26:58] <ratrace> EdePopede: since VMs are abstract, what exactly are you asking by "what VM"
1811[14:27:57] <EdePopede> uh. something like dosbox. have a window with the linux desktop inside it (and also tty1-6 if this works, no idea)
1812[14:28:56] <ratrace> EdePopede: "have a window with the linux desktop inside it" -- that sounds like virtualization yes. on which host, windows?
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1814[14:29:13] <EdePopede> yep
1815[14:29:21] <ratrace> EdePopede: then virtualbox is really most recommended. not like you have much alternative
1816[14:29:38] <g0zzy> ratrace: The problem is that one way or another, i've been forced to using a certain password for root, which i don't want to use
1829[14:32:39] <g0zzy> Well i can't answer that fully until i say, reset the root password to what i want it to be. Then logrotate will fail when cron runs. THEN i'd be able to tell you
1835[14:34:25] <g0zzy> The alternative is for me to remember the particular root password that is being used by the system. But i probably won't remember it. PLUS the root password is there to see in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
1836[14:34:42] <g0zzy> (which i'll also forget)
1837[14:35:16] <ratrace> all that makes literally zero sense.
1839[14:35:42] <ratrace> how about start with the basics? you get to the console login prompt, you type in your username and password and ____ happens.
1848[14:37:50] <ratrace> g0zzy: and then what do you do? can you log-in in any way? use sudo/su- to change root password?
1849[14:38:10] <g0zzy> I suppose i could put the root password i want into /etc/mysql/debian.cnf but that would be a bad solution because it would be the machine root password too
1852[14:38:43] <ratrace> g0zzy: that's something entirely different
1853[14:39:40] <ratrace> g0zzy: you have a mish-mash of totally different things. first you said "logging" as in syslog, now you're talking about mysql "root" password which has nothing to do with the system root (uid=0) account
1855[14:41:03] <g0zzy> "You may never ever delete the special mysql user "debian-sys-maint". This user together with the credentials in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf are used by the init scripts to stop the server as they would require knowledge of the mysql root users password else."
1856[14:41:17] <g0zzy> THAT is behind my root password problem
1857[14:41:54] <ratrace> g0zzy: MySQL root or system (uid=0) root? the two are NOT related
1892[14:50:09] <ratrace> g0zzy: you could try remove + purge it, and reinstall anew. be warned that you will lose your databases, so back them up first, and back up your current mysql config.
1901[14:51:54] <finn0> what's the meaning of "proposed-updates section" in "If you have listed the proposed-updates section in your APT source-list files, you should remove it before attempting to upgrade your system." sentence? (see: section 4.2.1 The proposed-updates section of Buster manual (replaced-url
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1949[15:10:31] <diogenes_> remy^, just drag-and-drop, but it depends, if it's interface theme then drag-and-drop in appearence, if it's icon theme then icons and so on.
1950[15:10:56] <Haohmaru> drag'n'drop works?!
1951[15:11:12] <belgrade> I wasn't even aware that Xfce could be themed so deeply and easily
1952[15:11:13] <diogenes_> Haohmaru, of course it's XFCE :)
1953[15:11:14] <Haohmaru> hm.. do they get slapped into ~/. somewhere?
1963[15:13:09] <Haohmaru> such stylish mouse cursor
1964[15:13:10] <Henry151> i'm trying to get wireguard working on my debian system and having some trouble, the wg-quick up wg0 script seems to fail because of no command called "resolvconf," but when i install openresolv it still isn't working, i think because openresolv and systemd-resolvd or something aren't playing nicely together
1965[15:13:26] <Henry151> anybody want to help me sort it out?
1967[15:14:06] <Haohmaru> uh, are you sure "resolveconf" is supposed to be a command?
1968[15:14:15] <Haohmaru> maybe you meant resolv.conf in /etc/ ?
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1970[15:14:19] <Henry151> without openresolv it does this: replaced-url
1971[15:14:50] <Henry151> Haohmaru: well it seems like when i run the wg-quick script, it is looking for a command called "resolvconf" and trying to pass that command " -a wg0 -m 0 -x"
1973[15:15:09] <ratrace> Haohmaru: resolvconf is a package and a command and a service... that configures resolv.conf from meta-configuration resolvconf.conf
1974[15:15:10] <Haohmaru> okay.. *shrug*
1975[15:15:13] <Henry151> googling about it led me to try installing openresolv, which makes the error go away
1976[15:15:46] <Henry151> however, then i can't reach the internet
1977[15:15:54] <Henry151> i can ping the wireguard server but nothing else
1983[15:16:46] <Henry151> these are the outputs of route -n on thinkpad (the client) and on vultr (the server) replaced-url
1984[15:16:57] <ratrace> Haohmaru: resolvconf is configuring resolv.conf. I don't know what wireguard does exactly and at which OSI level but I doubt it itself does resolv.conf configuration? Or does it?
1985[15:17:02] <Henry151> that's after running wg-quick up wg0 on both machines.
1989[15:17:32] <remy^> Haohmaru, thnx.. maybe it wil work
1990[15:17:33] <Henry151> ratrace: I think it is supposed to use resolvconf to modify the resolv.conf configuration, but that systemd-resolvd is not allowing it to or something.
1991[15:17:35] <Haohmaru> i've no idea, i've only ever fiddled with resolv.conf
1994[15:18:15] <ratrace> Henry151: no, systemd-resolved (which ain't default btw) won't prevent modification of resolv.conf, but NetworkManager might reconfigure it at any point
1995[15:18:24] <jelly> ,f bin/resolvconf
1996[15:18:28] <Henry151> i seeked help in ##linux for quite some time, couldn't get it, went to #wireguard, someone there tried to help but ultimately gave up saying that it seemed like debian was acting differently than he was used to
2030[15:24:36] <greycat> so it has something to do with a wireless interface
2031[15:24:49] <eb0t> ah ok ..ill continue the install without it and then install later
2032[15:24:56] <eb0t> i have ethernet cable plugged in
2033[15:25:09] <remy^> Anyone..knows how i put a clock on my desktop without borders thingy
2034[15:25:14] <finn0> ratrace: After reading the article as far as I understand when a package is uploaded to stable it first transferred to proposed-updates-new queue -> stable-proposed-updates -> next stable release. Means if there is a package in stable-proposed-updates, it will be added in next stable release i.e. "Bulleye" repository because after each stable release Debian freezes the baseline of packages. Am I correct?
2056[15:30:27] <ratrace> nt80: I'm trying to parse what do you mean by resolving names for NIC interfaces
2057[15:30:34] <ratrace> resolving... what into what?
2058[15:31:02] <Henry151> remy^: hmm! I haven't seen that error. Feh not having the right libraries for .png files or something, it looks like
2059[15:31:19] <nt80> ah, resolving the problem actually, which is NIC interface names are being automatically renamed to 'rename1', 'rename2', and so on
2080[15:34:46] <nt80> interesting that only 1 of ports was not renamed, other 3 ports were
2081[15:34:49] <BCMM> finn0: updates through main are generally important security updates. updates to add new features have to wait until a new Stable release
2105[15:38:32] <greycat> nt80: that is bizarre. I suppose the official answer for you would be "create some *.link files in /etc/systemd/network"
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2107[15:39:04] <nt80> greycat, i think so as well, i have 4 machines with a same NIC and it's a first time i get this
2108[15:39:05] <ratrace> nt80: I bet somethign buggered the udev database... and I'd recommend what greycat suggested, name them as you want, bind to MAC addresses, that's what I do, keeping ethX but MAC bound
2109[15:39:41] <nt80> ah okay i was unaware of binding to MAC, thanks guys
2110[15:39:49] <greycat> buster no longer officially supports udev's method of MAC-based persistent naming
2112[15:40:00] <nt80> i hope it won't involve udev rules
2113[15:40:18] <remy^> Henry151, thanks .. it wont work.. i was looking for it in the synaptic packedge section..and gave me also an error
2114[15:40:24] <greycat> nt80: conceptually it works the same way -- you can tell it "MAC address x has name y". It's just in a different place, in a different format.
2115[15:40:40] <ratrace> greycat: I use .link files to do so, isnt' that ok? what do you mean by supported in this case?
2116[15:40:48] <greycat> ratrace: that's not udev. that's systemd.
2117[15:40:52] <Henry151> remy^: what was the error?
2118[15:41:09] <greycat> udev's thing was /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
2119[15:41:14] <ratrace> greycat: yes, I guess I misread what you said
2128[15:42:45] <ratrace> finn0: the kernel rebases to newer upstream release (within the LTS branch though) for starters, and some other things get bumped up too
2129[15:42:55] <BCMM> if you install backports, you get new software with new features, but you're intentionally opting out of some of the "stability"
2130[15:43:01] <remy^> Henry151, libimlib2 is reeds de nieuwste versie.... it says its the newest
2131[15:43:39] <Henry151> remy^: hmm, ok
2132[15:44:06] <BCMM> ratrace: bumping versions within an upstream stable branch isn't confined to the kernel, surely? isn't that the most common way of staying on top of security issues as they appear?
2133[15:44:28] <ratrace> BCMM: mostly they're backported, but sometimes newer upstream release is imported.
2134[15:44:31] <Henry151> remy^: this is the most interest anyone has shown to my project so far so i am very happy about it, i will work to try to figure out what this problem is.
2135[15:45:12] <greycat> Kernels get to use upstream's updates within the same release (still 4.19.x). Firefox-esr gets updated to the next ESR release when upstream support for the current one expires.
2136[15:45:14] <BCMM> ratrace: ah, ok. i sort of assumed fixes would only need to be backported if upstream wasn't support a stable branch of their own.
2142[15:45:55] <greycat> This is because it is widely understood that browsers are walking abominations of security holes tapes together, and there is no rational way to backport all the necessary fixes.
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2145[15:46:07] <ratrace> BCMM: I guess so, but if you check here, see the few "new upstream release" entries replaced-url
2146[15:46:46] <remy^> Henry151, i`ll work on it
2147[15:47:20] <ratrace> BCMM: I am guessing it's maintainers and secteam decision if a newer upstream release contains as little "new features" or breaking changes so the package is rather rebased, than stuff backported
2148[15:47:30] <nt80> another question - maybe someone is aware of what's going on here replaced-url
2150[15:47:51] <nt80> my server was working fine about 2 months now suddenly this happen since yesterday
2151[15:48:00] <nt80> did no updates
2152[15:48:02] <greycat> New upstream versions of a package *can* sometimes be used for security purposes, when the fixes are not backport-able. Bind9 and samba have both done this.
2157[15:49:12] <BCMM> nt80: it's probably worth including a brief description of the problem, since some people are unlikely to click a pastebin link when it's very possible that it'll just be right out of their area of expertise
2158[15:49:54] <ratrace> greycat: yes but bind keeps stable release branches, no new features, only bug and security fixes
2159[15:50:08] <nt80> BCMM i am sorry, you're right
2160[15:50:30] <ratrace> so does postgresql, now within major version, all point releases are exclusively bugfix and security
2162[15:51:04] <munshine> Hello all ! We want to switch to Linux in my company, and we were wondering if there is a system to be able to log on with the same user name from any computer of the same network, and recover your documents, applications settings, personnal preferences ? Thank you :)
2165[15:51:40] <ratrace> also I think chromium is one huge exception to usual debian package "stability", but then chromium is a major operating system with embedded browser, so I guess backporting would be a nightmare :)
2174[15:53:44] <nt80> ratrace, i've supposed so... got googled this and found some guy on centos bug tracker with a same problem, turned out we have same ixgbe driver version - replaced-url
2175[15:53:54] <nt80> i've just asked here so maybe someone is already aware of the fix for debian
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2178[15:54:58] <ratrace> nt80: or it's just hardware. I have a FreeBSD server with ixgbe interface that occasionally burps like that (and connections break).
2180[15:55:04] <g0zzy> ratrace: Thanks. I recreated the "debian-sys-maint" user and copied an old debian.cnf file over the current one. With any luck that should work
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2183[15:56:03] <nt80> ratrace, interesting that I have 2 ixgbe adapters that have exactly same behaviour, except one doesn't hang
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2189[15:56:18] <ratrace> nt80: but *not on ...
2190[15:56:22] <BCMM> munshine: yes, that sort of this is possible. i'm just linking this as an example because ubuntu's got a decent overview all on one page; most of that should work about the same in debian but obviously check debian docs if you go down that path replaced-url
2194[15:59:18] <munshine> Thanks a lot BCMM, I'm going to read this. I guess "SSO" was the keyword I was looking for to do further researches, thanks :)
2195[15:59:23] <BCMM> munshine: you can also integrate with AD, in case you happen to already have that set up
2196[15:59:46] <ratrace> munshine: also look into LDAP
2198[16:00:14] <greycat> The traditional Unix way of doing this would be NIS for the user accounts, and NFS to share the home directories. NIS has been largely replaced by LDAP in many places.
2245[16:21:50] <jomofcw> Installing jessie, by error (doing too much "next" "next" :x) I've installed the default GUI. I don't need it, is there an ez way to uninstall it (I need the command line only), please ?
2273[16:29:38] <ratrace> jomofcw: I'd recommend just reinstall anew and be careful this time. it's a lot faster than hunting down all the unwanted changes gnome did.
2276[16:30:19] <dpkg> To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
2277[16:30:26] <nkuttler> meh..
2278[16:31:07] <jomofcw> I need jessie to get the same environment that the PROD server... I know this is bad :/. And yea, I reinstall it and be careful to my choice this time.
2318[16:49:08] <ghoti> I see that on jessie, `php --version` reports "PHP 5.6.40-0+deb8u6 (cli) (built: Sep 15 2019 11:18:30)". That's a pretty recent build date. Are there folks perhaps backporting fixes for security vulnerabilities that have come out since PHP 5.6 stopped getting security updates?
2319[16:50:05] <ghoti> And if so, where can I find more information about that?
2346[17:00:41] <captainfixerpc14> could someone possibly assist in getting a gui functional on a new deb 10 installation? lightdm will not start - startx gives me (replaced-url
2347[17:00:57] <ksk> captainfixerpc14: you do not call startx yourself.
2354[17:01:36] <greycat> ksk: they just said they *do* run startx, in an attempt to diagnose the X problem
2355[17:02:03] <ksk> I see.
2356[17:02:07] <ghoti> ratrace: thanks, the "Notes" section on that page I guess conveys intent. Any idea if there's a mailing list I could lurk on to see how issues are handled as they come up?
2364[17:04:03] <greycat> captainfixerpc14: second question is whether you've installed the appropriate firmware and microcode. "dmesg | grep -i firmware" may show errors that will point out which firmware packages your Intel device may need.
2396[17:10:31] <greycat> is it worth trying buster-backports kernel + firmware + other stuff, maybe?
2397[17:10:37] <jelly> step 1) do NOT buy latest gen hardware if you want to run linux (without significant issues)
2398[17:10:41] <dbtid> i'm running hostapd and dnsmasq to provide a loal AP at home. i have a dozen or so small machines that use this AP. how do I get dnsmasq to bind the hostnames of the WiFi client machines so i don't have to have large /etc/hosts files on all the machines? dnsmasq knows the hostnames (they're in /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases).
2419[17:13:57] <jelly> captainfixerpc14: you could try to install linux-image-amd64 and firmware-misc-nonfree from buster-backports and boot that, see if there's a difference
2439[17:21:23] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
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2461[17:33:40] <ratrace> ghoti: other than the Debian PHP maintainers list, I'd recommend you subscribe to centos errata rss feed as they still have to support 5.6 and debian is I _think_ likely pulling info from there, as nobody else is "somewhat responsibly" working with 5.6
2485[17:42:28] <finn0> How to get list packages which are installed from non-free repository? Probably, "aptitude search" should work but, couldn't figure how to write pattern for searching.
2490[17:45:02] <jelly> captainfixerpc14: interesting. Do you have openssh-server installed and can you log in remotely via ssh to that machine? Does it answer to ping?
2494[17:46:06] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
2495[17:46:18] <jelly> uhh.
2496[17:46:43] <ratrace> finn0: there's no simple way but a script that correlates dpkg -l with stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists/
2502[17:48:03] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in buster. See also replaced-url
2504[17:48:10] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
2506[17:48:17] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in sid. See also replaced-url
2531[17:57:44] <jelly> captainfixerpc14: you can build your own kernel, wait for 5.2.17 to appear in backports, or if you don't have much to lose, you could enable repo for sid, install linux-image-5.2.0-3-amd64 and firmware-misc-nonfree from there, carefully remove sid repos, reboot and see if there's a difference
2532[17:57:56] <jelly> or even the 5.3~rc from experimental
2533[17:58:09] <jelly> but that one probably does not come with firmware
2536[17:59:42] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
2538[17:59:47] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in sid. See also replaced-url
2539[18:00:00] <jelly> yep, that's actually up-to-date now
2541[18:00:08] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in experimental. See also replaced-url
2547[18:02:36] <judd> [8086:3e98] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Desktop 9 Series)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
2548[18:02:54] <jelly> wtf
2549[18:03:17] <jelly> grep says buster-backports ought to work as well
2576[18:13:39] <finn0> ratrace: I wonder this because I've installed some firmware from non-free repository and I'm going to upgrade my system to Buster so, Is it good idea to add "non-free" keyword with main & contrib in Buster repository? Otherwise, I've find all non-free packages and uninstall and later, re-install it.
2584[18:16:46] <eb0t> how do you restart the network on debian..i have minimal install but just altered /etc/interfaced.d and /etc/interfaces
2585[18:16:58] <finn0> I think adding non-free keyword shouldn't create problems because ultimately I replace them with newer version with its all of dependencies.
2586[18:17:03] <eb0t> i tried systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
2587[18:17:06] <jelly> eb0t: ifdown -a; ifup -a
2588[18:17:06] <eb0t> and it does nothing
2589[18:17:13] <eb0t> ah ok thanks
2590[18:17:29] <finn0> ratrace: okay, thanks.
2591[18:18:13] <jelly> eb0t: this can make the machine unavailable if you're logged in remotely and something goes wrong!
2642[18:32:17] <jelly> ifdown is picky and it often can't down an interface if you changed the config file and and it does not have the same config as it was at ifup/boot time.
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2644[18:32:36] <jelly> eb0t: if it's possible to reboot, you can just reboot
2645[18:32:48] <eb0t> yes i rebooted and it worked
2646[18:32:58] <eb0t> but still doesnt explain why it failed from if up and ifdown
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2648[18:33:29] <jelly> that will be hard to say without seeing actual output, of both commands
2649[18:34:18] <eb0t> yes its a bit tricky as its on a different machine
2717[19:01:46] <greycat> because it's a Debian question, not a java question. As a human you run "crontab -e" and this runs your editor, and you make the changes and save it. Or as a program, you run "crontab -l > tempfile", then modify the temp file however you see fit, then "crontab tempfile" to apply it.
2719[19:02:51] <jak2000> my idea is: run crontab -l command, put the output to a txt file and load it on my JSP at here no problem, but.... if i modify something, how to return this modified line to linux system?
2720[19:03:07] <greycat> I literally just said how.
2721[19:03:17] <greycat> well, typed. typed how.
2722[19:03:27] <jak2000> how to return the modified line?
2763[19:23:53] <jelly> screen and tmux are not terminal emulators at all, they're tools to enable persisting a terminal session
2764[19:23:55] <ksk> jak2000: for example. if you java programm would be installed via a debian package, I suppose the most sane approach would then be putting that cron into place via debian packagaging mechanisms - and not make your app do that
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2766[19:24:31] <ksk> that is totally true of course. that response was however triggerd by him mentioning "terminator" ;)
2767[19:24:33] <jelly> netcrash: rxvt-unicode is reasonably light
2768[19:24:41] <greycat> If one were writing a *package* that wanted to *add* a new cron job, one would drop a file in /etc/cron.d/ rather than asking #debian how to edit root's ****USER**** crontab from a program. Duh.
2796[19:37:41] <jak2000> generating ssh keys: client: 1) ssh-keygen 2) ssh-copy-id jak@192.168.105.66 3) ssh jak@192.168.105.66 in server restarthed ssh service: sudo systemctl restart ssh Test and again again again ask me password why arghhh
2802[19:39:20] <netcrash> jak2000: no need to restart the ssh in the server also it's only needed to place authorized_keys in .ssh directory of the user
2806[19:40:34] <jelly> jak2000: verify existence, ownership and permissions of ~, ~/.ssh and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server. Verify AuthorizedKeysFile and related options in /etc/ssh/sshd_config are not modified
2817[19:42:58] <mutante> jak2000: you can check /var/log/auth.log on the server to see if the error is "failed public key" or it's not even trying or other
2818[19:43:01] <jak2000> no id_rsa.pub replaced-url
2821[19:44:13] <jak2000> server: Accepted publickey for jak from 192.168.105.70 port 36780 ssh2: RSA SHA256:1kivqyQwJGKYGiNdHAGk4Nlfertdxmqu/PyVHME7854
2822[19:44:23] <mutante> jak2000: that looks like it works :)
2823[19:44:31] <mutante> Accepted publickey for jak. New session 329 of user jak.
2824[19:44:38] <mutante> so done? :)
2825[19:44:42] <jak2000> but in client: ask me the password:
2860[19:49:04] <jelly> 2) is REMOVE the passphrase from the key
2861[19:49:13] <greycat> In order for the ssh-agent to be actually useful, it needs to be started in a very specialized way during your login, or during your X session start-up.
2868[19:50:29] <jak2000> mutante: ssh-add is on client side right?
2869[19:50:39] <jelly> jak2000: if this is the first time you created the key and the first time you use it, you can just make a new key pair and if you just press ENTER when ssh-keygen asks for a passphrase, there won't be any
2880[19:51:40] <martian67> in /etc/network/interfaces how can i specify "first ethernet device" whatever that might mean
2881[19:51:44] <mutante> jak2000: it's to open a key once and keep it loaded in the background for some time. so you avoid having to type the passphrase again and again. but see the comment from greycat above
2882[19:51:51] <jak2000> jelly (if not work with password follow you)
2920[19:55:56] <jak2000> mutante: but need start ssh-agent when server start, not at login right?
2921[19:55:58] <jak2000> googling
2922[19:56:00] <jelly> !dpni
2923[19:56:01] <dpkg> To disable Predictable Network Interface naming and revert back to the old interface naming, run "ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" as root (without quotes). Creating this symbolic link prevents systemd from being able to change interface names. You will need to unplug/replug your device or reboot/reload module. Alternatively add net.ifnames=0 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub and reboot.
2924[19:56:20] <mutante> jak2000: yea, see stackoverflow. there are some examples like making a systemd unit file is another option
2925[19:56:24] <jak2000> i think if restart client, i cant connect ... with the keys right?
2926[19:56:35] <jak2000> or is possible add the key manually to a file?
2927[19:56:57] <greycat> I haven't studied the *.link options in depth to know whether it's possible to wildcard *everything* about the interface.
2928[19:57:27] <mutante> jak2000: the key files can be in any file as long as you also write an .ssh/config that tells it where to find keys for which hosts. or you use -f on commandline to specify path to it
2929[19:57:30] <greycat> this sounds superficially (because we have no idea what you're actually doing, because you refuse to tell us) like the kind of problem where net.ifnames=0 is the desired solution
2930[19:57:49] <mutante> jak2000: it's just looking by default in the default places
2931[19:58:38] <jak2000> ok then ssh-agent is the way
2932[19:58:57] <jak2000> after run ssh-agent need reADD? ssh-add or not (1 time is sufficient)?
2933[19:59:25] <jelly> martian67: but honestly, you should fix your installation procedure to avoid relying on "eth0". It's not that hard to use an in-target command in preseed
2934[20:00:22] <jelly> jak2000: you use ssh-add once after logging in to the client, and then it's there until you log out from the client
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2971[20:17:40] <karlpinc> Eightynine: Run them from a terminal and see if they generate output when the fail. Run the debug version and analyze the core dump. ...
2983[20:23:03] <Eightynine> There's "[18951.781528] Chrome_IOThread[8104]: segfault at 0 ip 000055adb36c0955 sp 00007f263effcfb0 error 4 in brave[55adb03c6000+7326000]" in dmesg.
2984[20:24:19] <SerajewelKS> either that's a bug in the browser or it's exposing a hardware issue (bad RAM/CPU for example)
2985[20:24:30] <SerajewelKS> most likely a browser bug unless everything on your system is crashy
2986[20:24:41] <humbot> it's cursed
2987[20:24:45] <greycat> they said multiple things were "unstable"
2993[20:26:09] <Eightynine> And what about this? "[ 2276.608557] gnome-logs[3190]: segfault at 17fffffff8 ip 00005654a3159b4f sp 00007fffd6ea9040 error 4 in gnome-logs[5654a3150000+e000]"
2995[20:26:33] <SerajewelKS> Eightynine: uhh yeah i would shut the system down and run a memory test on it (memtest86)
2996[20:26:33] <greycat> hardware issue sounds pretty probable, given the number of different programs you're having trouble with
2997[20:26:58] <SerajewelKS> it's likely that damage has already made its way into files on the disk
2998[20:27:40] <SerajewelKS> bad RAM is the most likely problem. after you fix the bad RAM you should restore a known-good backup from before things started crashing.
2999[20:28:24] <SerajewelKS> memtest will help you isolate which module (if any) are bad
3002[20:29:02] <SerajewelKS> if memtest comes back clean then it'd be time to stress test your CPU and also run disk diagnostics because a failing HDD could also cause these kinds of problems
3005[20:29:36] <Eightynine> That's strange, Brave crashed once when switching tabs and then stopped crashing after I restarted the browser. I'll check other software.
3006[20:30:02] <SerajewelKS> that's the nature of hardware issues. if it's bad RAM you'll only have problems when the defective regions are being used.
3007[20:30:34] <SerajewelKS> you need to immediately shut down the system and run memtest from CD/USB
3008[20:31:04] <Eightynine> greycat, I remember you helped me before, can you please help me with Firefox? Why is it working slow and locks first tab when opening other tabs? Do you still think it's hardware issue?
3011[20:31:43] <SerajewelKS> yes it's a hardware issue
3012[20:31:48] <SerajewelKS> gnome-logger is segfaulting as well
3013[20:32:00] <SerajewelKS> why is the system still powered on?
3014[20:32:07] <Eightynine> SerajewelKS, I remember I tested my RAM one day, it was good. Maybe I should test it again? I don't remember when I did that previously.
3015[20:33:03] <Eightynine> SerajewelKS, I didn't turn it of because I want to gather information before running necessary tests.
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3041[20:37:35] <SerajewelKS> you can install it and it will be added to grub _but_ if the system has bad memory then you could corrupt the memtest image
3042[20:37:58] <SerajewelKS> the safest thing to do is shut the system down and burn a CD of memtest / write a USB disk with the memtest image from a _different_ computer
3060[20:40:48] <SerajewelKS> i have a memtest CD from ages ago, i still use it (all my systems have optical drives though)
3061[20:41:21] <jelly> at least it's not a memtest86 floppy
3062[20:41:29] <SerajewelKS> i prefer CDs for diagnostic/rescue images because i have a guarantee that the system can't write to it and corrupt the image if the hardware is indeed bad
3063[20:41:46] <SerajewelKS> i still haven't found a USB flash drive with a hardware-enforced read-only switch
3064[20:42:24] <jelly> akamai have a really nice stick
3065[20:42:47] <jelly> boot it once, and there's a VFAT you write an .iso image to
3066[20:42:47] <Eightynine> I noticed a few days ago my PSU started to make more noise (it's not loud though, it just makes more noise than before). Same software, same tasks. My PC doesn't take much resources, it's not hot in the room.
3144[21:24:05] <janneke> SerajewelKS: yes, thanks...but i'm pretty certain that to build make, you need gcc, glibc, /bin/sh (dash or bash) and coreutils, possibly perl...
3145[21:24:06] <SerajewelKS> very bad naming choice for apt-rdepends to reuse a term to mean something different
3146[21:24:20] <janneke> yeah
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3148[21:24:31] <SerajewelKS> janneke: the build-depends lists packages that you need to build it. those packages can themselves depend on things.
3151[21:25:21] <janneke> SerajewelKS: ah, that makes sense...so i need to recurse
3152[21:25:57] <SerajewelKS> yes. but it's probably not going to be very useful output because it's going to drill all the way down to stuff every system will have like libc
3153[21:26:31] <SerajewelKS> sounds like an xy problem
3160[21:28:17] <KOLANICH> annadane: it seems that deb packages are obsolete: theynuse shell scripts for hooks. And incompatible - they store file tree and encode the info into paths in it rather than encode it to metadata. And, according to Michael Stapelberg, slow. I feel like we need to change the way packages are managed in debian.
3175[21:35:26] <ksk> and while systemd might have shown us that we do not need turing-completness ( shell scripts ) to manage services, I doubt that can be said about things happending in packages hooks.
3176[21:35:44] <ksk> but debian is an open source project after all - if you have a neat replacement I am sure you can bring up the topic ;)
3184[21:39:31] <finn0> Running "sudo apt update" I'm getting this error "E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success...". This happens after commenting all respository and adding "deb replaced-url
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3186[21:40:01] <finn0> *after
3187[21:40:19] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: You might want to clean the cooling track with compressed air.
3189[21:40:32] <greycat> ... plainh. that was it. not hplain.
3190[21:41:20] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: How did you install your current Telegram?
3191[21:41:27] <KOLANICH> ksk: I completely aggree that Turing-completeness should be elininated from hooks. We need a modular package manager. My concepcion is described here: replaced-url
3192[21:41:51] <greycat> I don't have an "appstreamcli" and don't know why it's important here...
3199[21:45:59] <hesco> for iptables questions, was it #netfilter I am looking for? Been a while since I was there, and I have never figured out how to close a tab in weechat when I open a new empty room, so hate to get it wrong.
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3208[21:47:54] <hesco> greycat: neither query answers for me in this irc client. command remains in my command line history, but it returned no response.
3209[21:48:17] <greycat> Try "/quote list #netfilter" maybe?
3211[21:48:35] <Eightynine> jhutchins_wk, I added flatpak support and then installed Telegram using terminal.
3212[21:48:39] <greycat> or maybe you're getting the responses in some special sandbox place that you're not currently looking at? I have no idea how other clients work.
3213[21:49:33] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: There you go. The debian package manager has no idea that you have the new one.
3214[21:49:43] <finn0> seems like gnome requires it.
3215[21:49:53] <hesco> fair enough. will go search for new tabs then. no, no new tabs. will takes me chances, then.
3216[21:50:05] <Eightynine> I checked KSystemlog, it doesn't crash, it just shows error message that I have no rights to read logs. I think it's not a problem with my PC, it's just some parts of Gnome are working bad.
3217[21:50:06] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: If you install using methods other than dpkg/apt, you have to maintain and update the sofware yourself.
3218[21:50:47] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: iirc there's a way to put a "fake" entry in the database that tells apt that you updated it, or you can just pin it at whatever version it thinks you have now.
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3224[21:51:48] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: That's because Gnome (apt) isn't checking the actual version, it's checking it's database of installed packages.
3225[21:52:09] <jhutchins_wk> Eightynine: flatpak didn't update the database.
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3227[21:52:37] <subcool> Did i do something by accident? Ive now tried to follow 3 guides, that require me to add a resouce from ubuntu, (spotify, gns3... and something else) But every time i follow the guide, i dl the keys, but when it do APt update - the sources file is bad. what am i missing
3229[21:52:55] <subcool> The repository 'replaced-url
3230[21:52:55] <subcool> N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use
3231[21:53:02] <finn0> greycat: I've plenty of free space. "sudo apt -o APT::Get::Trivial-Only=true full-upgrade" shows full-upgrade requires around 4GiB space and I've around 8GiB free space in /var. Probably, above command will inform me if my disk is/will full after full-upgrade.
3245[22:00:16] <ALowther> Is a keyring different than a key? I am trying to better understand the `apt-key` command, which recommends adding a keyring directly into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ rather than using `apt-key add.` Most of these, I believe, are a single key in OpenPGP format. Are those all keyrings, despite being only a single key or are they two different concepts?
3252[22:02:04] <paw> Packaging question: I'm trying to make a package A depend on package B but B doesn't have to be installed (a soft dependency) - I think there's the control fields Suggests/Enhances? I want to make sure that package A gets configured after B happens. How do I do this?
3253[22:02:12] <jhutchins_wk> subcool: What is your actual install target?
3254[22:03:15] <jhutchins_wk> paw: What if they _don't_ install B?
3255[22:03:36] <ALowther> lupine: Thank you—it seems that all of the shipped keys are keyrings with a size of 1?
3257[22:04:35] <paw> jhutchins_wk: then A just proceeds. Biggest requirement is that if B is to be installed, it needs to happen after A. Is this possible?
3281[22:16:23] <rue> if I have an upgrade come to a grinding halt beause apt says the kernel needs to be upgraded so that it can do the libc upgrade.. what does a person do?
3282[22:16:33] <rue> its stuck it wont allow me to upgrade the kernel
3283[22:16:43] <rue> cause its got libc stuck in its throat
3284[22:16:45] <greycat> Are you on a VPS where you don't actually control the kernel?
3285[22:16:51] <rue> no
3286[22:16:54] <rue> its a real computer
3287[22:17:05] <greycat> Then what's the story? What kernel are you running, and why can't you update it?
3298[22:19:02] <greycat> So, what is the story behind this kernel, which is *WAY* too old?
3299[22:19:11] <somiaj> buster cannot run on a 2.6.32 kenel, you will have to stick to stretch if on a vps that uses that shared kernel.
3300[22:19:35] <rue> well I would upgrade it if I could, but with libc not installed it wont let me install anything
3301[22:19:52] <rue> question being, where does I go from here :)
3302[22:19:53] <greycat> You're NOT TELLING US .. is this on purpose? Should we stop asking?
3303[22:20:05] <rue> no I want it all upgraded
3304[22:20:16] <somiaj> rue: In this vps, do you have control of the kernel, or do you have to use the 2.6.32 kernel shared with the host? This depends on your vps provider.
3305[22:20:17] <rue> I'll fix things later
3306[22:20:25] <greycat> Did you attempt to jump straight from Debian 6 to Debian 10 in a single operation?
3307[22:20:27] <somiaj> rue: also are you upgrading from stretch?
3327[22:24:18] <rue> ksk there is no particular reason I'm running 2.6 but it wont let me upgrade it
3328[22:24:30] <somiaj> get on a live system with a modern kernel, chroot into your system, finish the upgrade on a kernel that works with the new libc, then install a correct kernel
3345[22:28:10] <greycat> Starting with glibc 2.26, Linux kernel 3.2 or later is required. To avoid completely breaking the system, the preinst for libc6 performs a check. If this fails, it will abort the package installation, which will leave the upgrade unfinished. If the system is running a kernel older than 3.2, please update it before starting the distribution upgrade.
3376[22:42:38] <matu> the first one on the homepage
3377[22:43:07] <matu> i have a cervical hernia but i can't stop using linux obviously ^^
3378[22:43:22] <matu> (it is getting better don't worry ^^)
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3380[22:44:34] <matu> i guess it should be seen as a standard usb mouse, the last problems reported about Linux and this kind of device seems to be 15 years old
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3390[22:51:19] <matu> the company was unable to give me the name of a linux distro that would would with it, they just told me there was a "hid mode" available
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3400[22:55:44] <jamsa> deb cdrom:<path> doesn't find/read CD image USB sticks
3401[22:56:07] <GenTooMan> ok little frustrated ... debian svnkit-java is 7 reversions behind and is incompatible with subversion distributed with debian (it's one db version behind it).
3490[23:52:43] <bernyrd> matu: it is probably supported. if they said it is HID it is definitely supported, at least for basic mouse things. custom driver wnet out of style
3491[23:52:54] <bernyrd> and on Linux, is easier to make drivers now, can do them in userspace