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5 [00:03:49] <lipe> Hi
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8 [00:05:15] <lipe> I created a raid1 with mdadm but instead of formating the md0 directly I partitioned (lvm) creatina a md0p1 device on the system
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10 [00:07:01] <lipe> I read on the kernel.org that partioning a RAID is only possível when using "--auto=mpd"=
11 [00:07:45] <lipe> But It worked and the system is in production
12 [00:07:57] <lipe> Is this dangerous ?
13 [00:09:33] <lipe> Im using Debian 10
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27 [00:21:29] <karlpinc> lipe: Should work. That's a standard thing to do.
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31 [00:23:47] <karlpinc> lipe: You're using md0 as a lvm physical volume?
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35 [00:29:20] <lipe> karlpinc, instead of creating the lvm on the md0 device, I partitioned the md0 (creating md0p1) and then used this partition as my lvm
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37 [00:30:07] <lipe> The standard is using md0 directly (not partioning It)
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103 [01:31:02] <CarlFK> is there a cli/curses/console app that will show audio levels of the input device ?
104 [01:32:14] <somiaj> CarlFK: for alsa there is alsamixer, not sure about pulse, one second.
105 [01:32:17] <dvs> alsamixer?
106 [01:32:53] <somiaj> ,v ncpamixer
107 [01:32:54] <judd> No package named 'ncpamixer' was found in amd64.
108 [01:33:21] <somiaj> ,v pulsemixer
109 [01:33:22] <judd> Package: pulsemixer on amd64 -- buster: 1.4.0-1; bullseye: 1.5.0-1; sid: 1.5.0-1
110 [01:33:37] <somiaj> quick google search gave me some suggestions, seems pulsemixer is in debian.
111 [01:33:40] <CarlFK> somiaj: I kinda thought alsamixer did it.
112 [01:33:59] <somiaj> If using pulseaudio, that wont' work though, so I guess it depends on if you are using pulseaudio or just alsa
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114 [01:34:45] <CarlFK> I think pulse was removed - how can I check?
115 [01:34:46] <somiaj> Though I guess you are asking for input device (didn't catch this subtly at the start), by input device you mean some external device?
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117 [01:35:04] <somiaj> CarlFK: ps fax | grep pulse should tell you if pulse is running or not.
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122 [01:37:02] <CarlFK> I have the sound chips on the mb 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H HD Audio (rev 31) - and a usb audio device: Texas Instruments PCM2902 Audio Codec
123 [01:37:49] <CarlFK> ah, I do have it: /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no
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181 [02:17:22] <slee> hi, just installed mx, when i click on my slave HDD in thunar, it prompts me for password before it will let me access it...how do i stop this?
182 [02:17:45] <dvs> !mxlinux
183 [02:17:45] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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185 [02:18:06] <slee> ty
186 [02:18:16] <Unit193> See also if gvfs is installed.
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222 [02:43:21] <CarlFK> what debian package has gstreamer alsasrc ?
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224 [02:44:19] <CarlFK> found it gstreamer1.0-alsa
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383 [04:53:21] <awal1> dpkg: opera
384 [04:53:21] <dpkg> Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. As of version 8.5, Opera is freeware but NOT open source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see replaced-url
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386 [04:54:03] <awal1> dpkg: opera apt
387 [04:54:04] <dpkg> from memory, opera apt is replaced-url
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389 [04:54:08] <somiaj> awal1: you can /msg the bot
390 [04:54:33] <awal1> somiaj, too silent the room. but you right:d
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393 [04:55:06] <annadane> silent is good, means debian is working and people don't have to check the channel for trivial things
394 [04:55:15] <dvs> yeah
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398 [04:58:34] <awal1> somiaj, any link where I can follow Jason work (and your's about it)?
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401 [05:00:05] <somiaj> I don't quite understand that question, Jason work? You mean the data file format?
402 [05:00:24] <somiaj> no that is json...so yea, not quite sure what you mean
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407 [05:03:35] <awal1> somiaj, I think I forgot his name. I was reffering to fvwm dead colleague
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411 [05:05:00] <somiaj> awal1: this is not the place to ask questions about fvwm, but I think you are refering to this, replaced-url
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413 [05:05:37] <somiaj> Though I haven't had time to do much with it for the last few years, I do use a version of the BUE on a few of my systems.
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423 [05:10:06] <awal1> somiaj, Janon, yes. Thanks for the link ;)
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427 [05:12:40] <whoamiguy> ola
428 [05:12:44] <whoamiguy> hello
429 [05:13:04] <dvs> shalom
430 [05:13:17] <whoamiguy> do you can see my IP?
431 [05:13:46] <dvs> 200.225.205.10
432 [05:13:53] <whoamiguy> oh gosh
433 [05:14:04] <whoamiguy> do you know how can i hide it
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436 [05:15:49] <awal1> check tor or talk with freenode team
437 [05:16:00] <CarlFK> "cloak" is what you want
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442 [05:17:03] <whoamiguy> thanks
443 [05:17:35] <whoamiguy> wow thats is so vunerable
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450 [05:23:57] <CarlFK> welcome to the internet
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452 [05:24:25] <swivel> why do you care
453 [05:24:33] <Unit193> whoamiguy: replaced-url
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460 [05:29:54] <ozfalcon> Thats like standing on the other side of a fence and asking someone "Do you know where I am?" The answer being "One the other side of the fence - Otherwise I wouldn't be talking to you!"
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469 [05:32:38] <ozfalcon> Actually you could drop the fence part.
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486 [05:42:52] <whoamiguy> hahahahahah now i know to hide my IP
487 [05:43:07] <whoamiguy> the weechat has a irc.conf in ~
488 [05:43:22] <dvs> oh noes!
489 [05:43:34] <whoamiguy> there we can to change the option host to hide
490 [05:43:51] <whoamiguy> now i can sleep in peace
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492 [05:45:16] <whoamiguy> byebye
493 [05:45:20] <dvs> o/
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495 [05:45:41] <ozfalcon> Weird fellow.
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497 [05:46:01] <dvs> yeah, I wonder why it's so important.
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502 [05:47:06] <ozfalcon> Maybe he doesn't realise it's actually required to be on the internet.
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507 [05:49:32] <ozfalcon> Anyone here using IPv6?
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524 [06:07:34] <somiaj> though I think tor is banned here due to those who have abbused it. It isn't that we care about anominity, but some abuse it.
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529 [06:09:35] <swift110> sup
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535 [06:17:28] <damarusama> on debian 8 jessie, on apt-get update, I have an error on one of the package source, replaced-url
536 [06:17:37] <damarusama> I can't find where I can remove this
537 [06:17:59] <damarusama> in the etc/apt/sources.list.d/
538 [06:18:04] <damarusama> I've remove the backport file
539 [06:18:42] <somiaj> have you also checked /etc/apt/sources.list
540 [06:19:09] <damarusama> yep nothing there
541 [06:19:12] <damarusama> ho... .
542 [06:19:29] <somiaj> and you checked all the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
543 [06:19:39] <somiaj> Note I think these are all on archive.debian.org now
544 [06:19:56] <damarusama> ok got it, it was indeed in the sources.list
545 [06:20:00] <damarusama> thanks!
546 [06:21:05] <somiaj> so if you just change ftp.debian.org/debian to archive.debian.org/debian you should still beable to access the archive of the jessie-backports
547 [06:21:19] <damarusama> ah ok ~ nice thanks!
548 [06:21:38] <damarusama> indeed
549 [06:21:40] <somiaj> also you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org, deb.debian.org is the prefered mirror (stretch onward)
550 [06:21:56] <damarusama> still on 8
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552 [06:22:24] <somiaj> Yea, I think only jessie lts is left on the main mirrors
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563 [06:28:07] <damarusama> can jessie be upgraded to buster? or have to go trough stretch upgrade first
564 [06:28:41] <somiaj> correct, you have to upgrade one release at the time
565 [06:28:52] <somiaj> this is because scripts will change thigns during the upgrade, and they only assume upgrading from the previous release
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567 [06:29:35] <somiaj> so skipping stretch will skip multiple changes or upgrade scripts will have errors since they assume you are comming from stretch
568 [06:29:52] <damarusama> good to know thanks :D
569 [06:30:45] <somiaj> note if using a desktop, I would consider upgrading, as jessie-lts only supports some packages. There are some scripts you can run to tell you if you have any known security holes
570 [06:30:53] <somiaj> but desktops and browers are often the first things to loose support
571 [06:31:33] <damarusama> right - it's a server
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576 [06:35:34] <damarusama> what a name
577 [06:35:38] <damarusama> mescalinedream!!
578 [06:35:44] <mescalinedream> :)
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756 [09:17:02] <jomofcw> Hello !
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759 [09:17:38] <jomofcw> I'm trying to clean my HDD. But there is somethings I don't understand (and I don't want to clean anything I don't understand :p), so I need your help, please.
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767 [09:24:34] <jomofcw> First : I've got two directory in my "/mnt" folder that's called by username. In those I've got again a folder with username as name, and then the same content that I have in the home of the username (in summary : /mnt/username/username is equal to /home/username but it doesn't seems to be a symlink). Is it normal ?
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774 [09:29:02] <maxy> jomofcw, did you maybe mount your home partition at /mnt/username instead of /mnt?
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778 [09:30:49] <jomofcw> Hello maxy !
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780 [09:31:22] <jomofcw> I've never do that :/... but some others people could have work on the server ine the meantime. I may try to umount it so ?
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802 [09:50:49] <jomofcw> When I try to unmount /mnt/* it answer me that both /mnt/username isn't mounted :/.
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804 [09:53:00] <ayekat> jomofcw: what's the output of `findmnt`?
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808 [09:55:03] <ayekat> (before you randomly try to umount stuff)
809 [09:57:00] <jomofcw> Hello ayekat :).
810 [09:57:57] <jomofcw> Here we are ayekat : replaced-url
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815 [10:00:33] <humpled> when i try to unmount /mnt/* it tells me that some things aren't mounted as well
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817 [10:02:31] <ayekat> jomofcw: there is nothing mounted under /mnt or any of the subdirectories
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819 [10:02:43] <ayekat> jomofcw: there is nothing mounted under /home either, though
820 [10:03:15] <ayekat> jomofcw: if you create a file in your home directory (/home/{username} ?), does it show up in /mnt/{username} as well?
821 [10:03:55] <maxy> jomofcw: try 'ls -ldi /mnt/username/username /home/username' to tell if any of those are symlinks or hardlinks
822 [10:04:10] <maxy> (same inode number)
823 [10:06:38] <ayekat> directories can't be hardlinks
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825 [10:07:32] <jomofcw> maxy hello ! Here we are about it : replaced-url
826 [10:08:45] <jomofcw> ayekat nop it seems it doesn't.
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828 [10:09:11] <jomofcw> I've created a file "test" in "/home/username" and I don't see it in "/mnt/username/username".
829 [10:09:44] <maxy> maybe someone thought that some device was mounted on /mnt/, and did copy the stuff there
830 [10:09:47] <ayekat> so I guess those directories got duplicated due to some (probably botched) action in the past
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832 [10:11:10] <jomofcw> OK... so i've nothing elese to do to remove it than "rm -R /mnt" ? (as I've got only both of those directory in it)
833 [10:11:22] <jomofcw> "rm -R /mnt/*"
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837 [10:14:08] <maxy> jomofcw, if this is a shared machine and you don't know all its users, at the very least I'd move the content away from /mnt/ where it clearly doesn't belong, to /to-be-deleted or something
838 [10:14:11] <themill> jomofcw: what's the actual problem you're trying to solve?
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841 [10:15:08] <ayekat> mysterious duplicate home directory under /mnt, and nobody knows how it got there
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844 [10:16:51] <maxy> jomofcw: on a shared machine another idea is to check the bash history ('history | grep -C30 /mnt'), which may tell you what happened around that time
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859 [10:23:57] <jomofcw> maxy thanjs ^^ can't see relevant informations there :/.
860 [10:24:09] <jomofcw> Hm Ok for move it instead of delete it.
861 [10:24:22] <themill> Have you looked at the output of "mount"
862 [10:24:53] <jomofcw> themill yea we did it previously
863 [10:24:56] <themill> (also a directory being called /foo/$USER doesn't make it your $HOME)
864 [10:25:06] <jomofcw> Right too.
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884 [10:39:46] <funabashi> Question can i as root of the server join a pts sesson?
885 [10:39:52] <funabashi> or take over
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931 [11:11:13] <newtodeb> hello guys anyone has knowledge about ipv6?
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935 [11:11:42] <fireba11> newtodeb: too generic a question
936 [11:11:44] <newtodeb> my router hast DS-lite thats means no ipv4 only ipv4 packets disguised as ipv6 and now i cant ssh into my homwnetwork
937 [11:12:20] <newtodeb> did an traceroute to the ip6 adress of the device i want to ssh into and it always stops at the routers ip adress
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997 [11:48:10] <jomofcw> Is there a command to clean log archive (instead of empty the full log directory), please ?
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1013 [11:55:58] <ratrace> jomofcw: clean in what way, as opposed to emptying it? there's logrotate which rotates logfiles and keeps configurable number of backup copies and logfile sizes
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1041 [12:09:31] <fireba11> jomofcw: i suggest editing logrotat rules if you want less logs in general :-D
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1057 [12:16:46] <piensken> hy, my server is not mounting my usb 4g modem, it gives me: device not accepting address 5, error -11, then it goes to 6,7 and continues to the next usb module..
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1059 [12:17:25] <piensken> can I mount it manually?? like a usb hdd?
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1066 [12:24:52] <towo^work> piensken, a modem can't be mounted
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1068 [12:25:13] <jomofcw> When I've installed debian i had no access to Internet on the machine so I can't add a mirror... now that Internet is fixed, how can I add the mirror, please ?
1069 [12:25:24] <ratrace> actually.... there's a class of USB GSM thingies that can be attached in modem OR storage mode
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1071 [12:25:35] <towo^work> jomofcw, with any editor
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1074 [12:26:00] <ratrace> there used to be a program that allowed you to mount such USB sticks in their storage mode, but I forgot which was it, that was many years ago
1075 [12:26:03] <han-solo> !sourcelist
1076 [12:26:05] <ratrace> piensken: ^^^
1077 [12:26:18] <annadane> !buster sources.list
1078 [12:26:19] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
1079 [12:26:25] <han-solo> gah
1080 [12:26:35] <annadane> you can just 'apt edit-sources', jomofcw
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1082 [12:26:47] <ratrace> piensken: ah yes, usb-modeswitch
1083 [12:26:50] <annadane> (i assume this is buster)
1084 [12:27:07] <ratrace> ,v usb-modeswitch
1085 [12:27:08] <judd> Package: usb-modeswitch on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.0+repack0-2; stretch: 2.5.0+repack0-1; bullseye: 2.5.2+repack0-2; buster: 2.5.2+repack0-2; sid: 2.5.2+repack0-2
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1087 [12:27:28] <jomofcw> Yea this is buster ^^ thanks =)
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1096 [12:33:49] <piensken> ratrace ok thx :p
1097 [12:34:05] <piensken> so when the linux doesn't load it... I need to reboot it?
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1099 [12:34:16] <piensken> or is there a service I can start
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1106 [12:37:18] <ratrace> piensken: "load it"?
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1117 [12:41:20] <jelly> is hwaddress in /e/n/interfaces iface static definition used to identify the iface, or to _set_ the MAC/hardware address? stretch and buster.
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1128 [12:47:05] <colo-work> jelly, since you are allowed to set the string value "random" here, I'd wager it's for _setting_ the L2 address
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1131 [12:47:53] <piensken> ratrace yes when its booting he wants to give the usb a number " device not accepting address5, error -110
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1134 [12:49:07] <jelly> yeah, looks that way
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1146 [12:56:10] <ratrace> piensken: I have no idea what you're talking about, you'd have to be more specific, pastebin some examples of exactly what's going on and what you expect to be going on.
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1152 [12:58:51] <dacencora> Hey guys! My laptop has intel/nvidia switchable graphics. I always force it to use only the Nvidia card and it works well. Now this time on Debian, I can’t get the screen tearing fixed. I have the boot option set for drm modesetting as well as in modprobe.d
1153 [12:58:58] <dacencora> I’m not sure what I’m missing
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1155 [12:59:33] <dacencora> I’m dual booting with Gentoo and I do not have any screen tearing on Gentoo
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1192 [13:31:00] <Eightynine> I can't install software using flatpak, it just stucks. I tried Gnome Software for installation. What should I do?
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1200 [13:36:59] <towo^work> Eightynine, maybe give more infos as "i can't install"
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1208 [13:45:11] <NetTerminalGene> Eightynine, try to install with command
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1210 [13:46:21] <Eightynine> towo^work, I mean I click "Install" and it stucks at 0%. Installation in terminal is working both with deb and flatpak. But in Gnome Software I can install only deb.
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1215 [13:50:17] <towo^work> and where is the problem, if it works in terminal?
1216 [13:50:44] <Eightynine> I told already, It doesn't work in Gnome Software.
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1218 [13:51:12] <towo^work> has it to work in gnome software?
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1227 [13:55:12] <Eightynine> I think it should, why is it showing then?
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1256 [14:10:17] <funabashi> Where can i see which sotfware watchdog starts if its fails?
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1275 [14:31:13] <jomofcw> I've just installed openssh-server. Now I can connect to my machine using SSH protocol, but when I enter the root login it answer me that it's incorrect. i'm pretty sure it's the good one... anything to enable to connect in root using SSH, please ?
1276 [14:32:22] <jelly> ,v asterisk
1277 [14:32:23] <judd> Package: asterisk on amd64 -- jessie: 1:11.13.1~dfsg-2+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1:11.13.1~dfsg-2+deb8u6; stretch: 1:13.14.1~dfsg-2+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:13.14.1~dfsg-2+deb9u4; buster: 1:16.2.1~dfsg-1+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:16.2.1~dfsg-2; sid: 1:16.2.1~dfsg-2
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1279 [14:32:42] <dvs> jomofcw, "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
1280 [14:32:49] <pclover> ^
1281 [14:32:55] <jelly> jomofcw: root login with password is disabled by default, only by key auth
1282 [14:33:28] <jomofcw> OK my bad I've just seen it :s
1283 [14:33:30] <jelly> PermitRootLogin without-password # is default in buster
1284 [14:33:39] <jomofcw> thanks both of you, sorry for your time :s
1285 [14:33:56] <jelly> change to yes, or better set up ssh key on client and use that
1286 [14:34:15] <pclover> or login as a normal user and escalate your privilege's
1287 [14:34:40] <jelly> !ssh keys
1288 [14:34:40] <dpkg> (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) ssh-copy-id server.example.com. Ask me about <keychain> and <ssh-askpass> for ways of storing your ssh key's passphrase between uses. If you are wanting to use ssh to allow root logins for rsync backups (or something similar to that) then you might want to limit what this key can do and from where you can use it, see replaced-url
1289 [14:35:05] <jomofcw> OK? thanks =) !
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1293 [14:35:37] <jelly> hmph. ssh-copy-id won't work. you'll have to manually add the contents of you ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to remote server /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
1294 [14:36:03] <ttyp123> p123> can someone explain in practical terms, what is the difference between running php in php-cgi mode and php-fpm mode? Also what is the functional difference betweeen running php-fpm in unix socket mode vs TCP socket mode? what is used where? confused
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1296 [14:36:24] <ttyp123> sorry donno if this question should be asked in the php channel or over here
1297 [14:36:29] <ttyp123> i am setting it up on debian 10
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1299 [14:37:05] <Haohmaru> sounds like a php question ;P~
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1333 [14:54:47] <pthomas> hello, I'm trying to build a debian package, dh_make created a nice little staging area and debuild builds the package
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1338 [14:56:06] <pthomas> I see the debuild calls dh_install which parses debian/install, but what file does dh_link use? I can't find that in the documentation
1339 [14:56:14] <pthomas> I tried debian/link
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1341 [14:56:24] <pthomas> but that didn't work
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1345 [14:57:31] <pthomas> In the debuild man page I don't even see the reference to debian/install how does debuild know to use that file?
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1371 [15:16:39] <pthomas> anyone who understands debuild around?
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1382 [15:28:42] <themill> pthomas: debuild has nothing to do with debian/install, it only runs the appropriate rules in debian/rules
1383 [15:28:46] <themill> !packaging tutorial
1384 [15:28:46] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
1385 [15:29:24] <themill> also, man dh_link answers your other question
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1390 [15:31:16] <pthomas> themill, thanks is debain/install treated the same as debian/package.install?
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1392 [15:31:29] <litb> hello folks
1393 [15:31:38] <litb> in Debian 10 with wayland, how can one execute synaptics?
1394 [15:31:43] <litb> is it possible to use Xwayland?
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1397 [15:32:32] <themill> pthomas: yes but I'd recommend always using the debian/$package.install variant; it tends to be simpler in the long run
1398 [15:33:40] <themill> (debhelper(7) talks about this some more)
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1401 [15:34:10] <pthomas> ok thanks
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1407 [15:36:02] <LtL> litb: you cannot use synaptic under Xwayland.
1408 [15:36:15] <litb> LtL, oh that's bad
1409 [15:36:27] <litb> why is that?
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1411 [15:37:06] <themill> litb: synaptic hasn't learnt how to do things without running as root
1412 [15:37:31] <litb> ah, I see. but when trying to run as root, it doesn't work either
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1414 [15:37:37] <LtL> litb: i don't know, if you have the option logging in to run your session under Xorg, it will work. i myself haven't tried that.
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1418 [15:38:22] <LtL> litb: there is also 'weston' which is in the debian wiki.
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1421 [15:38:48] <litb> LtL, ah does syaptics run under weston directly?
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1423 [15:39:34] <LtL> litb: according to the wiki, yes but it seems like a radical fix in my opinion.
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1427 [15:40:22] <litb> LtL, shouldn't that be the normal way of operation, instead of running Xwayland?
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1429 [15:40:43] <litb> Does gnome not provide a native wayland compositor aswell?
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1431 [15:41:52] <LtL> litb: you can survive without synaptic. Xwayland is new to me and i don't use synaptic so i defer your question to the channel.
1432 [15:43:07] <pthomas> themill, ok when I run dh_link directly I can see the link in debian/<package_name>/, but if I just put the pair in debian/package.links and run debuild I don't see it
1433 [15:43:58] <LtL> litb: replaced-url
1434 [15:44:08] <themill> pthomas: are you exporting DH_VERBOSE=1 from d/rules? That will often answer questions
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1458 [15:52:13] <netcrash> Hello, how can I measure per core cpu load?
1459 [15:52:52] <Haohmaru> xfce panel has one meter that can show individual cpu loads
1460 [15:52:58] <Haohmaru> iirc "Resource Meter"
1461 [15:53:10] <Haohmaru> or hm, i might be wrong about the name
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1465 [15:54:12] <netcrash> I'm looking for something in the command line
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1467 [15:54:18] <netcrash> it's for server usage
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1471 [15:57:03] <vlt> netcrash: top?
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1474 [15:58:11] <netcrash> top , does not show cpu load per core
1475 [15:59:06] <colo-work> mpstat -P ALL 1
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1477 [15:59:12] <themill> htop
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1480 [16:01:09] <vlt> netcrash: It doesn't?
1481 [16:01:38] <vlt> `top -1`
1482 [16:01:44] <vlt> or "1" in top
1483 [16:01:52] <vlt> Does that help?
1484 [16:01:58] <netcrash> yeah, was missing that. Thank you
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1489 [16:04:05] <netcrash> but does not show the load, only the cpu usage in %
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1492 [16:04:47] <netcrash> my problem is that I have zabbix report a per cpu load of 0.4 , and the machine load is at 1,2 ... I wanted to check if it's correct
1493 [16:04:59] <netcrash> I checked the machine load using w
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1522 [16:15:47] <mi11k1> yes ppl, i am on an ubuntu machine on an ubuntu server. heres my problem my debian has developed a stupid problem. since switching to buster, i would call it random, HD just starts going nuts, and i cant do anything, cant even drop to another tty. I dont know what log to even start with.
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1528 [16:18:23] <mi11k1> i started using plasma desktop and theres a file catalogue daemon that makes me suspicious.
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1542 [16:23:52] <kmmndr> Hi all :-)
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1546 [16:26:04] <colo-work> mi11k1, try watching `iotop` for a while, maybe?
1547 [16:26:14] <kmmndr> I'm trying to install glusterfs on a debian k8s node, but it is missing module `target_core_user` not compiled into default kernel
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1549 [16:26:27] <mi11k1> colo-work, i did, nothing
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1552 [16:26:53] <kmmndr> Is there any particular reason for not having included this module ?
1553 [16:27:26] <mi11k1> colo-work, at first i thought it was kodi, but nope, then java, nope, lots of HD space, lots of ram.
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1558 [16:27:56] <mi11k1> kmmndr, i messed with gluster not long ago, and it went without a hitch
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1562 [16:30:12] <wwilliam> hello i have a dir with files 1 to 4 file1 file2 file3 file4 i move first file1 to another dir work with the file and then deleted, then i do mv file* from the preview dir and file1 shows again why if i already deleted from both dirs?
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1564 [16:31:08] <mi11k1> wwilliam, is this a trick?
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1567 [16:31:15] <greycat> the most obvious answer is "you did not actually mv file1 out of this directory", followed by "you are looking in the wrong directory"
1568 [16:31:16] <wwilliam> no is for real
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1570 [16:32:13] <mi11k1> greycat, lol
1571 [16:32:47] <kmmndr> mi11k1: Did you install glusterfs on debian ? or using glusterfs's docker image ?
1572 [16:33:27] <mi11k1> kmmndr, i never thought about a dockerimage. it was stretch i think
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1574 [16:33:46] <mi11k1> kmmndr, i was considering it for proxmox
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1581 [16:35:06] <mi11k1> kmmndr, i found a pretty simple tutorial and few cut and pastes and it was working
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1602 [16:40:37] <mi11k1> have a good day ppl.
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1617 [16:45:28] <litb> hello all
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1619 [16:45:36] <litb> I'm on buster, and using Cinnamon desktop
1620 [16:46:00] <litb> however many CPU-usage panel applets won't work, event though I installed the packages they require
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1622 [16:46:15] <litb> which is gir1.2-gtop-2.0
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1632 [16:50:45] <LtL> litb: give gkrellm a try.
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1641 [16:55:16] <jak2000> how to do: check the space with df -h and if space of / is 89 or 90% ocuppied, send a email to 3 email adress, how to?
1642 [16:55:33] <greycat> there's replaced-url
1643 [16:56:09] <litb> LtL, i used it 10 years ago. liked it, but I wanna have applets in the systray
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1645 [16:56:26] <whislock> jak2000: It's best if you set about trying to this yourself, and if you run into any specific issues, we may be able to help those.
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1648 [16:56:54] <humpled> also, "occupied", free English advice!
1649 [16:57:02] <whislock> jak2000: But "how do I do this?" isn't something this channel is generally willing to dive into.
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1651 [16:57:26] <greycat> jak2000: whislock: replaced-url
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1655 [16:58:19] <jak2000> yes reading thanks greycat and whislock
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1657 [16:58:51] <n_1-c_k> There's also monit, though its opinion of space usage is slightly different from df's.
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1661 [16:59:15] <jak2000> n_1-c_k: read -d '' -ra df_arr < <(LC_ALL=C df -P /); echo "${df_arr[11]}"
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1663 [17:00:05] <n_1-c_k> jak2000, blimey I'm not brave enough to paste that. What it do?
1664 [17:00:17] <greycat> it's from the FAQ page I posted twice
1665 [17:00:30] <jak2000> get the percentage of disk used.. :)
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1669 [17:00:49] <n_1-c_k> ah
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1678 [17:03:49] <tsujp> So you know how docker is for containerisation, and you could use swarm or k8s or nomad for ochestration of those containers right, is there any kind of systemctl "orchestration" out there?
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1687 [17:05:42] <ayekat> no idea about swarm or nomad, but k8s consists of multiple (IMHO heavy and chaotic) services running on each of the nodes - what exactly do you mean with an "orchestration" service?
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1694 [17:09:11] <tsujp> I currently have a lot of `.service` files, thousands, running jobs. I need a way to migrate them from hsot A to host B if they fail
1695 [17:09:17] <tsujp> So some orchestration system if I containerise them is good
1696 [17:09:39] <tsujp> Containerising them isn't really a challenge, but finding some non-intrusive orchestration system that forces me to do things their way is proving incredibly annoying
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1698 [17:09:56] <tsujp> k8s sucks cos it doesnt support swap or networking from this century, dockers networking is equally annoying
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1740 [17:36:06] <haxste> /msg NickServ REGISTER 1c/9pleaBNmtx# haxste@protonmail.com
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1746 [17:36:45] <humpled> haxst
1747 [17:36:46] <greycat> hope that password isn't being used for anything else
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1750 [17:38:22] <haxste> No its unique. Egg on my face. Pasted in wrong field.
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1752 [17:40:18] <humpled> pasted
1753 [17:41:00] <diogenes_> i bet his email password is 1c/9pleaBNmtx#
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1821 [18:14:01] <iTeV> anyone else experiencing broken packages when upgrading icinga2 on stretch?
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1823 [18:15:40] <iTeV> seems like libboost lib is the culprit
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1826 [18:16:25] <iTeV> icinga2 expects 1.67, meanwhile only 1.62 is available in the debian repository
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1832 [18:19:04] <somiaj> !bat
1833 [18:19:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1834 [18:19:05] <humpled> my stretch says icinga2 depends on libboost-*1.62
1835 [18:19:27] <pie3> i am still stuck at essay writing (english), anyone can help me how to start hook/thesis?
1836 [18:19:53] <humpled> maybe try ##English?
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1840 [18:21:35] <iTeV> humpled, replaced-url
1841 [18:21:42] <iTeV> weird
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1843 [18:22:13] <humpled> ,v icinga2
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1845 [18:22:14] <judd> Package: icinga2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.1-1; stretch: 2.6.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.10.3-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.10.3-2; bullseye: 2.10.6-1; sid: 2.10.6-1; experimental: 2.11.0-1~exp1
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1852 [18:23:34] <iTeV> replaced-url
1853 [18:23:42] <iTeV> ^^ output of `apt-cache depends icinga2-bin`
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1864 [18:28:48] <iTeV> ,v icinga2-bin
1865 [18:28:49] <judd> Package: icinga2-bin on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.1-1; stretch: 2.6.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.10.3-2~bpo9+1; buster: 2.10.3-2; bullseye: 2.10.6-1; sid: 2.10.6-1; experimental: 2.11.0-1~exp1
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1868 [18:29:42] <iTeV> is that information up2date?
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1870 [18:30:14] <iTeV> or am I misinterpreting something?
1871 [18:30:27] <iTeV> icinga2-bin/icinga-stretch 2.11.0-2.stretch amd64
1872 [18:30:35] <iTeV> ...
1873 [18:30:37] <iTeV> nvm
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1875 [18:31:12] <iTeV> `ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/`
1876 [18:31:14] <iTeV> > packages_icinga_com_debian.list
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1881 [18:32:23] <iTeV> aka, I am using packages from icinga2 repo, not debian repo. Sorry for inconvience :|
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1883 [18:32:47] <iTeV> not suprised I have borked packages now x)
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1908 [18:39:52] <Henry151> hi folks
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1918 [18:41:44] <Henry151> i'm having a little trouble with my home webserver which is running debian. I periodically lose internet access, but have found that running "dhclient -d eno2" restores my internet connection. I haven't figured out what is causing this and don't really understand why it's happening, so I made a make-shift solution, which is a little bash script that runs every three minutes, which runs "dhclient -d
1919 [18:41:50] <Henry151> eno2", sleeps for 10 seconds, and kills itself
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1924 [18:42:39] <Henry151> this seems terribly hackish and not proper at all, so i would love help configuring my DNS or dhclient or dhcp or whatever it's called, properly, so that it handles this stuff the right way, automatically.
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1939 [18:50:31] <Henry151> also, in an unrelated question, i see in my log of #debian "--- Log closed Sat Sep 21 13:16:06 2019" -- anybody know what happened there? was I kicked out for some indiscretion?
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1985 [19:07:13] <jhutchins_wk> Henry151: How do you have your interface configured?
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2002 [19:20:49] <Henry151> jhutchins_wk: i'm not sure what you mean. I know that when I first booted up this machine, i had no internet connection; I plugged an ethernet cable in to my router, and into the network card on the back of the machine, and i still had no internet; then I spent a couple hours asking people on IRC chat how to get internet working, and finally, got it working by running "dhclient -d eno2", waiting 10
2003 [19:20:55] <Henry151> seconds, and killing that process with ctrl+c -- that made the internet work
2004 [19:21:32] <greycat> Henry151: is eno2 defined in /etc/network/interfaces, or are you using network-manager, or connman, or something else?
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2009 [19:23:17] <Henry151> greycat: I don't see eno2 defined in /etc/network/interfaces, and i don't see network-manager.service running; here's a paste of a few things that I thought might help: replaced-url
2010 [19:23:42] <Henry151> connman.service also could not be found.
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2012 [19:24:17] <greycat> Henry151: try NetworkManager.service
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2016 [19:24:37] <Henry151> Unit NetworkManager.service could not be found.
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2018 [19:24:46] <Henry151> thank you for the help greycat!
2019 [19:25:11] <Henry151> i'm not sure how it's set up, because i didn't manually set hardly anything up, just installed debian and ran that dhclient -d eno2 command
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2021 [19:25:36] <greycat> Henry151: so how *is* your network interface configured? Does it work at all after you boot, or do you have to run dhclient by hand even at boot time?
2022 [19:25:49] <Henry151> i have to run dhclient by hand at boot time
2023 [19:26:13] <Henry151> though this thing is supposed to be "always on" so i've only rebooted it twice since install
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2025 [19:26:46] <Henry151> maybe fixing this could be as simple as installing network-manager or something?
2026 [19:26:54] <greycat> Well then, I would suggest you add two lines to your /etc/network/interfaces file: "auto eno2" and "iface eno2 inet dhcp"
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2028 [19:27:32] <Henry151> done!
2029 [19:27:37] <greycat> That should run the dhclient for you at boot time, and it should *stay* running, which allows it to refresh your IP address when the lease expires.
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2031 [19:27:40] <NetTerminalGene> there is ublock origin addon package in repos. do they update it if necessary? can i use it without hesitation?
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2033 [19:28:10] <Henry151> i guess i can remove my silly crontab scripts now, and see if the symptoms go away. Thanks greycat you're the best!
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2038 [19:28:23] <greycat> I've never used a browser add-on from a Debian package. I just install it in the browser from upstream.
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2043 [19:29:15] <jhutchins_wk> Henry151: You need to do "service network restart" to implement the change.
2044 [19:29:32] <NetTerminalGene> greycat, do you use esr?
2045 [19:29:32] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: it's not updated nearly fast enough, don't bother with it.
2046 [19:29:43] <greycat> Eric S. Raymond? no...
2047 [19:29:53] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Should that be "hotplug" instead of "auto" if he has a wonky connection?
2048 [19:30:03] <jelly> ,i firefox-esr
2049 [19:30:04] <judd> Package firefox-esr (web, optional) in buster/amd64: Mozilla Firefox web browser - Extended Support Release (ESR). Version: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; Size: 40770.5k; Installed: 162694k; Screenshot: replaced-url
2050 [19:30:06] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: It's an onboard interface (eno). So I would say no.
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2054 [19:30:47] <greycat> NetTerminalGene: in firefox-esr I use NoScript. In google-chrome-stable I use uBlock origin.
2055 [19:31:16] <NetTerminalGene> "google chrome" >.<
2056 [19:31:20] <jhutchins_wk> Henry151: If it doesn't auto-recover once configured, you could look at the netplug and ifplugd packages.
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2059 [19:32:57] <Henry151> thank you jhutchins_wk !
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2064 [19:33:38] <diogenes_> btw guys, do you use hw accel in ff? (layers.acceleration.force true)
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2070 [19:37:31] <NetTerminalGene> diogenes_, performance drops for me
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2073 [19:38:35] <diogenes_> NetTerminalGene, depends on the gpu, for me it decreases cpu comsumption.
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2089 [19:55:29] <mutante> i had a Lenovo X1 Carbon 5th gen and then it needed mainboard replacement under warranty. got a loaner while waiting for it and just swapped SSD between them so i had my Debian OS just like before and didn't need to reinstall anything. except now that it's back in the original..audio stopped working. kernel module is loaded. user is in audio group. mixer is not it. in MATE desktop GUI under System
2090 [19:55:35] <mutante> Prefereces it is just shown as "Disabled"
2091 [19:56:01] <mutante> already tried reinstalling alsa and pulseaudio and double checked BIOS for anything disabling it.. no luck
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2094 [19:57:00] <greycat> mutante: Pulse Audio with only a Dummy Output? Possibly caused by timidity taking control of the sound card?
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2097 [19:58:53] <mutante> 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio (rev 21) | i also deleted .config/pulse/ and it recreated files in it
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2099 [19:59:38] <greycat> I don't use Pulse Audio myself. But it sounds like you do. Can you ask Pulse Audio to list all the devices it can list? Is "Dummy Output" the only thing in that list? If so, see the wiki. replaced-url
2100 [19:59:59] <greycat> I didn't write that section, so I do not know how to give you any more details.
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2103 [20:00:46] <Henry151> mutante: I had an issue with no audio after my recent update to 10... had to disable timidity, that fixed it for me
2104 [20:00:48] <mutante> greycat: to find that out i used "pacmd list-sinks" yesterday and yes it shows "Dummy Ooutput"
2105 [20:01:09] <greycat> if that's *all* it shows, then try the timidity thing
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2107 [20:01:11] <mutante> ok, so already 2 people mentioning timidity. i will look into that. thanks
2108 [20:01:33] <Henry151> i ran "systemctl stop timidity" and "systemctl disable timidity" and that fixed all my audio woes after the update.
2109 [20:02:36] <mutante> hmm. that sounded so promising. but already was "Unit timidity.service not loaded."
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2112 [20:05:29] <mutante> i am using MATE desktop. it's like it is shown as disabled there only. I do not have a Unit timidity.service even though i am on buster
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2115 [20:06:05] <mutante> it is like the system tries to look for the previous hardware and got confused by the hardware swap. any other things to make it detect hardware again like during install?
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2120 [20:07:19] <mutante> last time i did this i had 2 difference devices in the GUI System Preferences and had to just switch.
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2125 [20:09:00] <c0rnelius> well just running lsusb should tell you if it sees the usb as 3.0
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2129 [20:09:26] <c0rnelius> should also give the bus and device id number
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2132 [20:09:58] <c0rnelius> shit wrong channel :)
2133 [20:10:04] <mutante> you got me confused :)
2134 [20:10:15] <c0rnelius> my bad :)
2135 [20:10:20] <mutante> no worries
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2138 [20:10:52] <jelly> mutante: if you also have old ~/.pulse delete that as well while pa is not running
2139 [20:11:23] * jelly wonders why people have timidity installed
2140 [20:11:42] <greycat> I assume it's brought in as a recommends or depends by something GUI-ish
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2143 [20:12:24] <jelly> fluidsynth is loads better, sure it also eats lots more cpu but it's like 20-40% of a sandybridge core or so
2144 [20:12:45] <mutante> jelly: thanks. but only had .config/pulse not .pulse. but let me do that again
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2156 [20:23:47] <X_fly_al-x> i got bluetooth problems with my headphones pxc 550. When i connecting to them, bluetooth will be directly disabled in kde
2157 [20:24:16] <X_fly_al-x> Sep 30 20:21:49 Inspiron-7537 bluetoothd[946]: Failed to set mode: Blocked through rfkill (0x12)
2158 [20:24:30] <X_fly_al-x> Sep 30 20:22:21 Inspiron-7537 bluetoothd[946]: Unable to get Headset Voice gateway SDP record: Host is down
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2162 [20:26:17] <X_fly_al-x> Sep 30 20:26:02 Inspiron-7537 bluetoothd[3150]: Failed to add UUID: Busy (0x0a)
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2165 [20:26:52] <X_fly_al-x> after 3 times restarting bluetooth the error in status is gone
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2169 [20:27:24] <X_fly_al-x> but when i try to connect to headphones again, the same happens
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2172 [20:27:42] <jrj> hello. i want to know about how and __when__ works dependency resolution, when i install some package. is it described somewhere to read?
2173 [20:28:49] <jrj> googling show only how to fox broken, but it is not that i want to know
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2175 [20:29:06] <greycat> jrj: apt (or whatever front-end tool you use) does its own dependency calculations, so it knows what else it has to grab. It calls dpkg to do the actual installations. dpkg does its own separate round of dependency verification for each package.
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2179 [20:30:15] <jrj> greycat, can you suggest something to read? like some sort of docs?
2180 [20:30:40] <greycat> I have no idea what more you want to know.
2181 [20:30:49] <no_gravity> Hmm... Why is this "scp some/file.txt somehost.com:/some/path/" giving me "scp: /some/path/: Is a directory" ?
2182 [20:31:44] <greycat> probably because of something critically important that you are not showing us because you obfuscated the command beyond recognition
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2184 [20:32:39] <no_gravity> greycat: Only changed the paths and hostname.
2185 [20:33:09] <jrj> greycat, is it calculated before any action, or while installing? some kind of mechanic description.
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2187 [20:33:20] <greycat> jrj: apt (or whatever front-end tool you use) does its own dependency calculations, so it knows what else it has to grab. It calls dpkg to do the actual installations. dpkg does its own separate round of dependency verification for each package.
2188 [20:33:46] <no_gravity> I must be missing something completely fundamental in my sleepy state.
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2190 [20:35:00] <no_gravity> Ah, found it! Becuase the "path/" part of "/some/path/" did not exist on the other side!
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2193 [20:36:40] <jrj> one man just told me about about some recent fail about php-common installation. he tells like it installed first, and after that find out, that there some conflicts in required versions in other php packages... so i wonder how it works at all
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2242 [21:09:00] <Remy^> i have installed debian succesfully, only the pictorgams of e.g. maps or browsers doesnt work.. anyone?
2243 [21:09:22] <Remy^> they don`t show up
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2248 [21:09:42] <greycat> if you mean emoji characters in fonts, you probably need to install a bunch of random font packages until you find the one that you need
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2250 [21:09:53] <jhutchins_wk> jrj: That kind of failure shouldn't happen with a standard Debian stable install.
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2253 [21:10:07] <greycat> fonts-symbola might be a good start
2254 [21:10:20] <jhutchins_wk> jrj: If you install packages from testing, unstable, experimental, or from third parties it might happen.
2255 [21:10:22] <Remy^> no it doesnt spell emoji
2256 [21:10:45] <greycat> Then explain what you mean by "pictograms of e.g. maps or browsers".
2257 [21:11:07] <SerajewelKS> which package should i file kernel bugs against? the specific version (linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64) or some metapackage?
2258 [21:11:08] <jelly> Remy^: can you upload a screenshot and point out the issue
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2264 [21:11:28] <Remy^> its gnome 2 and xfce
2265 [21:11:43] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: You should verify that it is in fact a bug and not a misconfiguration, possibly by seeing if other people can reproduce it.
2266 [21:11:47] <Remy^> screenshot maybe i`ll have to figure that one
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2269 [21:11:50] <jelly> Remy^: "gnome 2"? Which Debian version is that?
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2271 [21:12:27] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: already done. it looks like a long-standing bug in e1000e.
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2273 [21:12:34] <jrj> jhutchins_wk, as i understand that man - he told about standard updates repo. no any testing or experimental
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2275 [21:12:42] <jhutchins_wk> I think perhaps Remy^ means that he has no shortcut icons on his desktop, probably because he hasn't created any.
2276 [21:12:58] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: You can just add a "me too" comment.
2277 [21:13:00] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: replaced-url
2278 [21:13:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2279 [21:13:08] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: it was closed in 2012
2280 [21:13:14] <Remy^> no thats it there is a short cut and only the pictogram doesnt show up
2281 [21:13:48] <dvs> Remy^, sounds like a case for imgur...
2282 [21:13:56] <jhutchins_wk> Remy^: So just a box or something instead of the icons? How did you install the DEs?
2283 [21:14:05] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: i don't know if it's the same issue (the module recovers after ~4 seconds but with the interface bridged it causes the bridge to learn/listen for 30 seconds before forwarding again)
2284 [21:14:12] <jelly> SerajewelKS: similar symptom does not necessarily mean same bug
2285 [21:14:14] <SerajewelKS> at any rate it looks like a regression
2286 [21:14:25] <SerajewelKS> jelly: right. i mention it in the report as possibly related.
2287 [21:14:42] <SerajewelKS> i'm just not sure which package to send the report to (the report is already written, i can pastebin it if someone wants to take a look first)
2288 [21:14:57] <Remy^> whats DEs?
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2290 [21:15:42] <jelly> SerajewelKS: actual kernel package. That's src:linux anyway
2291 [21:15:44] <greycat> desktop environments
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2293 [21:16:03] <jelly> the metapackage has a separate source
2294 [21:16:13] <SerajewelKS> jelly: ah. i ask because i see other bugs reported against e.g. linux-image-4.19
2295 [21:16:18] <jhutchins_wk> Remy^: Desktop Environments (gnome and xfce).
2296 [21:16:21] <SerajewelKS> instead of the one with a specific version in the package name
2297 [21:16:32] <jelly> SerajewelKS: that one is built from src:linux too I think?
2298 [21:16:43] <jhutchins_wk> Remy^: What version of Debian are you running?
2299 [21:16:49] <Remy^> yes that i have.. now the desktop-pictograms
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2303 [21:17:02] <SerajewelKS> jelly: yeah. was just unsure of the best practice.
2304 [21:17:11] <SerajewelKS> i know kernel packages are handled a bit differently
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2306 [21:17:13] <Remy^> jhutchins_wk, how do i chek that one
2307 [21:17:17] <velix> For over 15 years, I haven't used Linux with a GUI. I think, a GUI on linux would be a step back for me.
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2309 [21:17:40] <jelly> SerajewelKS: the maintainers will reassign anyway if they deem it necessary
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2311 [21:17:50] <jhutchins_wk> Remy^: in a console, cat /etc/*release
2312 [21:18:05] <greycat> I use a fairly minimal GUI. Just a traditional window manager on top of X11, lots of terminal windows, and web browser. Not much more.
2313 [21:18:06] <SerajewelKS> jelly: cool, thanks. just wanted to make it easier for them.
2314 [21:18:15] <Remy^> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)
2315 [21:18:31] <greycat> jessie is two releases behind stable, by the way
2316 [21:18:45] <velix> I'm also running ONE vm with Jessie.
2317 [21:18:49] <velix> Most software is from 2013
2318 [21:19:38] <SerajewelKS> heh, the hang happened again while i was trying to send the report
2319 [21:19:52] <Remy^> anyone..?
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2321 [21:20:55] <dvs> Remy^, greycat> jessie is two releases behind stable, by the way
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2323 [21:21:42] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk / jelly: if you are interested or know of any additional information i could provide, this is the report: replaced-url
2324 [21:22:26] <jhutchins_wk> Remy^: That would be a good solution, re-install with buster (10).
2325 [21:22:42] <jhutchins_wk> Remy^: It's hard to dig back that far and figure out what went wrong with your install.
2326 [21:22:45] <Remy^> problem is i dont like gnome3
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2328 [21:22:58] <dvs> Remy^, then use mate
2329 [21:23:11] <Remy^> gnome2 is also okay
2330 [21:23:15] <jhutchins_wk> Remy^: Many of us do not run it, and yes, mate is a modern release equivalent to gnome 2.
2331 [21:23:34] <jhutchins_wk> Remy^: I like xfce - it stays out of my way.
2332 [21:23:52] * dvs gets in jhutchins_wk way and gets bowled over
2333 [21:23:54] <jhutchins_wk> Remy^: It's possible that for some reason the icon (pictogram) files did not get installed.
2334 [21:23:57] <jelly> mate or maybe cinnamon seem to be close to gnome 2
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2336 [21:24:14] <Remy^> i`ll check that
2337 [21:24:18] <Remy^> later
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2339 [21:25:10] <jhutchins_wk> We had a LUG member who was so pissed off at gnome 3 that he stormed off and wrote his own OS.
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2344 [21:26:38] <mureena> Well that's perfect, make something that people hate which forces people to innovate
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2346 [21:26:49] <mureena> I'm going to include that as a driver for motivation
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2349 [21:27:58] <lupine> I really like gnome-shell *shrug*
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2363 [21:35:55] <jhutchins_wk> A lot depends on when you came to linux, and from what platform.
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2371 [21:39:57] <somiaj> And once you add in all the window managers out there, you have no shortage of choice in the linux world for guis
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2373 [21:40:43] <greycat> I think a lot of newcomers aren't aware that they can have a GUI without a Desktop Environment, and think there are only ~4 choices.
2374 [21:40:48] <Inconvenience> whats the program that does whois
2375 [21:40:48] <annadane> i've thought occasionally xfce would make a better default for debian than GNOME... imagine coming into debian linux as a newbie, "no minimize button?"
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2378 [21:42:18] <somiaj> Inconvenience: you mean the 'whois' program?
2379 [21:42:41] <somiaj> Inconvenience: or do you want the package that contains that program?
2380 [21:43:53] <Inconvenience> uggh
2381 [21:44:00] <Inconvenience> just make it easy for me
2382 [21:44:05] <Inconvenience> lel
2383 [21:44:06] <somiaj> I don't know what you are asking
2384 [21:44:13] <Inconvenience> i dont know what im asking
2385 [21:44:17] <greycat> Inconvenience: apt install whois; whois google.com
2386 [21:44:25] <Inconvenience> k
2387 [21:44:30] <jelly> Inconvenience: it's "whois", amusingly
2388 [21:44:48] <Inconvenience> ive installed it before too
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2397 [21:50:44] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, here's a "best 12" article: replaced-url
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2414 [21:54:24] <greycat> there's really not much meat in this article
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2438 [22:00:55] <jhutchins_wk> No, but if the field's large enough to do a "best 12" article in the first place that's a lot of candidates. I imagine a lot of them are just customizations.
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2452 [22:06:26] <greycat> I've never even heard of some of them.
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2472 [22:16:08] <oskie> acll
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2474 [22:16:13] <oskie> sorry
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2481 [22:25:32] <hesco> apparently `lsb_release -cs` no longer works in stretch. is there a new cli utility for querying /etc/os-release?
2482 [22:25:58] <greycat> cat /etc/os-release
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2490 [22:28:26] <jelly> hesco: it says "stretch" on my stretch installation, what is it supposed to do?
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2492 [22:28:55] <greycat> it says "buster" on buster
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2495 [22:29:12] <greycat> hesco: hint: nobody here knows what your command is *supposed* to do... that might tell you something
2496 [22:29:14] <hesco> I am getting back n/a which is breaking my apt-get work.
2497 [22:29:19] <remy^> how do i uninstall gnome3?
2498 [22:29:27] <remy^> and install gnome2
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2501 [22:30:22] <hesco> my puppet agent rewrites my sources.list files before running apt-get update, before proceeding with the rest of its work. broken dependency causes everything else to fail.
2502 [22:30:24] <greycat> if I'm reading the man page right, it's supposed to display the "code name" of the current OS, without any headers or other metadata
2503 [22:31:00] <jelly> hesco: weird. What does "cat /etc/debian_version" and "grep -i stretch /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv" say?
2504 [22:31:21] <greycat> also what does grep CODENAME /etc/os-release say?
2505 [22:31:57] <jelly> strace does not show that command opening /etc/os-release at all
2506 [22:32:21] <greycat> oh, fun.
2507 [22:32:35] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 08:31 /etc/os-release -> ../usr/lib/os-release
2508 [22:32:36] <greycat> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 261 Aug 30 08:31 /usr/lib/os-release
2509 [22:32:42] <greycat> and mine opens /usr/lib/os-release
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2512 [22:33:41] <hesco> /etc/debian_version says 9.9; the grep reports: No such file or directory
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2516 [22:34:36] <swift110> hey all
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2518 [22:34:59] <greycat> hesco: well, it sounds like your base-files package is messed up, maybe try reinstallint it
2519 [22:35:17] <jelly> ,depends lsb-release --release stretch
2520 [22:35:18] <judd> Package lsb-release in stretch/amd64 -- depends: python3:any (>= 3.4~), distro-info-data.
2521 [22:35:39] <greycat> base-files is Essential, so no need to depend on it
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2523 [22:36:06] <somiaj> hesco: lsb_release -cs works for me on both stretch and buster.
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2526 [22:36:25] <jelly> hesco: is distro-info-data installed?
2527 [22:36:26] <somiaj> hesco: note, debian had mention of this in its release notes, I don't think all of the stuff needed for lsb_release is installed by default.
2528 [22:36:50] <hesco> ok, then I am looking at a broken installation. distro-info-data: command not found.
2529 [22:37:00] <jelly> it's a package name, not a command
2530 [22:37:04] <somiaj> I know I need lsb_release to work when installing maple, and I have to install additional packages on stretch and buster to deal with this.
2531 [22:37:05] <greycat> if he's getting "No such file or directory" from "grep CODENAME /etc/os-release" then base-files needs to be (re)installed
2532 [22:37:29] <hesco> package is not installed on this machine
2533 [22:37:37] <jelly> greycat: maybe he liked my grep better than your grep.
2534 [22:37:40] <greycat> either the /etc/os-release symlink is missing, or the /usr/lib/os-release file is missing, or both
2535 [22:37:40] <jelly> "grep -i stretch /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv"
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2537 [22:37:55] <jelly> hesco: which grep are you talking about
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2541 [22:39:04] <jelly> hesco: if you have lsb-release package installed but not distro-info-data package, you have broken dependencies already so anything is possible
2542 [22:39:13] <hesco> I also have that symlink for os-release
2543 [22:39:36] <jelly> hesco: which grep command is saying file not found?
2544 [22:40:02] <jelly> "grep -i stretch /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv" or "grep CODENAME /etc/os-release"
2545 [22:40:27] <hesco> Thanks greycat, jelly and somiaj! That did it.
2546 [22:40:35] <hesco> The following NEW packages will be installed:
2547 [22:40:38] <hesco> distro-info-datay
2548 [22:40:40] <hesco> Y
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2550 [22:40:58] <hesco> now I get:
2551 [22:41:01] <hesco> lsb_release -cs
2552 [22:41:02] * jelly assumes it was his grep not grey'cats
2553 [22:41:03] <hesco> stretch
2554 [22:41:08] <greycat> jelly: seems so.
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2556 [22:41:27] <hesco> testing again, by running my puppet agent to see if this has resolved the issue.
2557 [22:41:55] <hesco> yes, jelly, it was your grep I was reporting on
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2559 [22:42:01] <jelly> right
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2562 [22:43:15] <Non-ICE> is there any way i can see in logs why my pi crashes whenever i connect the ethernet calbe?
2563 [22:43:18] <Non-ICE> cable
2564 [22:43:19] <Non-ICE> *
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2566 [22:43:52] <jelly> Non-ICE: a raspberry pi or some other kind of pi?
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2569 [22:44:04] <Non-ICE> regular pi 3 B+
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2571 [22:44:29] <swift110> Non-ICE, i have that one as well
2572 [22:44:32] <jelly> Non-ICE: you probably have Raspbian installed on it, not Debian. Ask in #raspberrypi or #raspbian, and check your power is decent
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2574 [22:44:41] <jelly> power supply*
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2577 [22:44:56] <hesco> Thanks greycat, jelly and somiaj! my puppet agent run output is now far more comforting colors!
2578 [22:45:00] <Non-ICE> power is the special pi power
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2580 [22:45:16] <jelly> maybe, but still not a question for #debian
2581 [22:45:29] <Non-ICE> ihave been in the pi and raspberry channels and all they can say its akward
2582 [22:45:34] <jelly> unless you installed actual armhf debian on it.
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2584 [22:45:44] <Non-ICE> iwant to look in the logs, if any
2585 [22:45:45] <hesco> and it reports this change in sources.list.d/docker.list
2586 [22:45:48] <hesco> +deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
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2588 [22:45:55] <hesco> we like that.
2589 [22:46:01] <jelly> Non-ICE: use the right channels for your distro, please.
2590 [22:46:26] <dbucklin> /part
2591 [22:46:30] <dbucklin> lol
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2594 [22:47:40] <somiaj> hesco: note with debian you may find /etc/debian_version useful vs lsb_release, I think one of the release notes (stretch or jessie) mention some things to be aware of with debian's implimataion of lsb-foo
2595 [22:47:48] <somiaj> but if you got it working, good to hear.
2596 [22:48:54] <uniqdom> Hello, I have an HDMI attached monitor and I need to set up a custom resolution. I wonder if I need to use "gft" and/or "cvt" and then add the mode to xrandr, or those are just used when using VGA?
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2599 [22:49:49] <c0rnelius> Non-ICE: is the eth0 ip address static or dhcp? I've seen it crash the eth0 if it's static and the ip is already in use,
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2699 [23:59:20] <ghoti> I've seen a few guides on installing php7 in debian 8 suggest using repos at dotdeb.org. Is that a reliable resource for production environments? Or should I just upgrade from debian 8? What do I need to run php 7.3 in production without rolling my own?
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