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5 [00:02:29] <ratrace> should be possible
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39 [00:21:02] <sthiss0123> Unsure who to target, but debian testing is amazing - thank you kindly to all involved
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46 [00:25:09] <gnufr33d0m> testing out posting from emacs, can you hear me now?
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48 [00:25:45] <trek00> sthiss0123: i'm sure all developers appreciate this :)
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51 [00:26:15] <gnufr33d0m> <trek00> Thanks!
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59 [00:30:33] <trek00> :)
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166 [01:52:25] <truexfan81> in the future on the installer can we please make a seperate option for libre office instead of bundling it with the DE? thanks
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201 [02:23:48] <astra> mmm
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228 [02:43:30] <dvs> wattap
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237 [02:55:53] <mmx_in_space> can someone help with ssh server and/or client problem
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247 [03:02:04] <dvs> !ask
248 [03:02:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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250 [03:04:48] <mmx_in_space> i have a debian server running and i try to ssh into it with putty and putty says "Software caused connection abort"
251 [03:06:20] <mmx_in_space> it's like as if it communicates fine with the server for an instant and then doesn't let me even put in username. putty window itself is just blank the whole time
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254 [03:08:28] <mmx_in_space> it's the same error as when connected up and running and all good and then putty gives up continuing for some reason
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256 [03:11:02] <LtL> mmx_in_space: is this putty from a windows box?
257 [03:11:21] <mmx_in_space> LtL: yes
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259 [03:12:09] <trek00> mmx_in_space: may be this can help you to diagnose the problem replaced-url
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261 [03:13:00] <LtL> mmx_in_space: i haven't used that in a decade.. but if i recall you can choose a version protocol of ssh in putty, have you looked at the configuration in putty?
262 [03:13:03] <trek00> mmx_in_space: try to just telnet to the port 22 of that server an see if the connection is stable
263 [03:17:26] <mmx_in_space> LtL: well i tried ssh protocol version 1 and didn't make a difference
264 [03:17:45] <mmx_in_space> trek00: telnet gives same error message
265 [03:17:50] <LtL> mmx_in_space: use two
266 [03:18:01] <mmx_in_space> i did
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268 [03:18:04] <trek00> mmx_in_space: well it seems a problem on the windows side
269 [03:18:05] <mmx_in_space> same thing
270 [03:18:40] <mmx_in_space> it's a cloud image by the way
271 [03:18:46] <mmx_in_space> does that matter?
272 [03:19:08] <trek00> mmx_in_space: is there another public port that you can telnet to check? like port 80
273 [03:19:23] <mmx_in_space> cloud-init involved i think which i did not use
274 [03:20:28] <mmx_in_space> actually i'm not familiar with telnet besides knowing it's similar to ssh
275 [03:20:34] <mmx_in_space> um
276 [03:20:46] <mmx_in_space> trek00:
277 [03:21:39] <trek00> mmx_in_space: you can try telnet host.ip.address 80
278 [03:21:50] <trek00> mmx_in_space: if there is a public web site on it
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280 [03:22:20] <mmx_in_space> trek00: it doesn't have a website on it
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285 [03:23:17] <trek00> mmx_in_space: anyway it seems a network issue, may be a firewall is involved
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290 [03:31:13] <fryguy> so I'm trying to use the Openstack image with an SRIOV ethernet device. I see the device in `lspci` but I don't see any drivers to load for it. virtio_net does not seem to get it, and igb/igbvf (the host-level drivers for it) don't seem to be available either. What driver am I supposed to load?
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296 [03:37:22] <trek00> mmx_in_space: it's the first boot of that server or you already connected to it?
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299 [03:38:28] <mmx_in_space> trek00: first boot
300 [03:39:00] <trek00> mmx_in_space: may be you need to open the ssh port on the firewall via the web control panel?
301 [03:39:33] <mmx_in_space> trek00: maybe
302 [03:39:47] <trek00> mmx_in_space: it's aws?
303 [03:40:00] <mmx_in_space> trek00: it's azure
304 [03:40:03] <mmx_in_space> microsoft
305 [03:40:12] <mmx_in_space> but
306 [03:40:17] <mmx_in_space> no it's not that
307 [03:40:33] <mmx_in_space> it might be debian's firewall that's causing the problem
308 [03:40:51] <trek00> mmx_in_space: usually debian comes with no firewall installed
309 [03:41:07] <mmx_in_space> i'm not *that* familiar with debian by the way. i'm used to ubuntu though
310 [03:41:13] <mmx_in_space> trying to switch
311 [03:41:20] <mmx_in_space> to debian
312 [03:41:22] <whislock> debian's default configuration is wide open in both directions.
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314 [03:42:14] <mmx_in_space> oh
315 [03:42:14] <trek00> mmx_in_space: anyway if you can telnet your.host.ip 22 then the network is ok, if not putty or any other ssh client can't connect to it
316 [03:42:41] <whislock> What error are you getting?
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319 [03:43:18] <mmx_in_space> maybe something related is that i think i was maybe supposed to use cloud-init for configuration but i used virt-customize instead?
320 [03:43:57] <whislock> That may indeed cause issues, yes.
321 [03:44:11] <whislock> If you're using one of Azure's templates, however, that should already be part of the image.
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323 [03:44:26] <trek00> fryguy: may be it depends on the host configuration try rtl8139 or e1000 or virtio
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325 [03:45:48] <trek00> fryguy: lspci -k says nothing on that device?
326 [03:46:11] <fryguy> trek00: right, it wants to be igbvf for the driver, but that driver doesn't seem to be in the openstack image.
327 [03:47:11] <mmx_in_space> trek00 and whislock: it's actually debian via qemu via azure
328 [03:47:37] <mmx_in_space> windows server 2016 server core VM (azure)
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330 [03:48:48] <trek00> fryguy: but it's a debian image?
331 [03:49:03] <fryguy> trek00: yes
332 [03:49:19] <fryguy> specifically from here: replaced-url
333 [03:49:19] <trek00> mmx_in_space: well debian is running inside a windows server?
334 [03:49:55] <mmx_in_space> debian is running inside qemu which is running inside a windows server
335 [03:49:58] <trek00> fryguy: it should contain the igbvf module
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337 [03:50:55] <trek00> mmx_in_space: you need to setup a port forwarding inside the windows server to forward the port 22 from inside debian to external network, if it is what you want to do
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341 [03:52:05] <amosbird> hi, are there any other tools that can build debs aside from debuild?
342 [03:52:18] <amosbird> some universal packagers like snap, fpm?
343 [03:52:22] <fryguy> trek00: well, it doesn't seem to. not sure what i'm doing wrong:
344 [03:52:22] <fryguy> modprobe: FATAL: Module igbvf not found in directory /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-cloud-amd64
345 [03:52:58] <amosbird> I'm trying to find a tool that can understand the debuild logic and package the old one, while has the ability to do new things
346 [03:53:15] <trek00> fryguy: you're right, not on that image
347 [03:53:48] <fryguy> is it packaged somewhere where I can reinstall it?
348 [03:54:29] <trek00> fryguy: it is inside linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64
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350 [03:55:20] <crestfallen> hi are there encrypted command line email packages for anonymous email
351 [03:55:22] <crestfallen> ?
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353 [03:55:52] <trek00> crestfallen: mixmaster
354 [03:56:33] <crestfallen> or gui I guess. I thought it would be interesting to do email from the cli. trek00 thanks, is that cool? I don't need absolute security just for emails when people make me mad. :)
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356 [03:57:23] <trek00> crestfallen: mixmaster and mixminion are the most secure anonymous email available
357 [03:58:00] <trek00> crestfallen: don't abuse it ;)
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359 [03:59:13] <trek00> amosbird: i don't know any universal packager, but may be you can use different packagers to meet your needs
360 [03:59:14] <crestfallen> trek00, thanks what exactly is this? : Anonymous remailers provide protection against traffic analysis.
361 [03:59:26] <crestfallen> remailer?
362 [03:59:31] <trek00> crestfallen: if NSA try to spy on you :)
363 [03:59:47] <crestfallen> so go with mixmaster or the other?
364 [03:59:53] <trek00> crestfallen: replaced-url
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366 [04:00:33] <tomreyn> how many users doe the remailers have those days? 100? 200?
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368 [04:01:26] <crestfallen> tomreyn you're saying people don't use them? why not?
369 [04:01:42] <trek00> tomreyn: judging the traffic i would bet far more :)
370 [04:01:54] <crestfallen> this I don't understand from wiki: Remailing as discussed in this article applies to e-mails intended for particular recipients, not the general public.
371 [04:01:59] <tomreyn> i haven't seen traffic stats
372 [04:02:13] <trek00> tomreyn: replaced-url
373 [04:02:19] <crestfallen> that seems like double-talk
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375 [04:02:27] <tomreyn> crestfallen: if you never used it you should at least try.
376 [04:02:31] <crestfallen> above caption
377 [04:02:50] <trek00> crestfallen: try to install mixmaster and send you a test email :)
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380 [04:03:08] <crestfallen> ok thanks I'll try it
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382 [04:03:51] <crestfallen> this is exciting
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385 [04:05:01] <trek00> crestfallen: sent messages does not always reach the recipient, so you could send multiple messages to be sure it arrives, there is a flag on the client command line
386 [04:05:21] <tomreyn> hmm that's not enough messages to prevent correlation. especially the encrypted ones,
387 [04:05:58] <trek00> tomreyn: there is, more than with tor at least :)
388 [04:06:21] <tomreyn> maybe i'm reading it wrong.
389 [04:06:47] <trek00> tomreyn: check the last line of that replaced-url
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391 [04:07:10] <trek00> tomreyn: 17k messages sent in that day using the mixmaster protocol
392 [04:07:27] <mmx_in_space> trek00: i think there's a significant chance that the server is the problem. i have root access to it by the way
393 [04:07:35] <tomreyn> of which 241 were encrypted?
394 [04:07:53] <crestfallen> so what's the part where it says pgp encry)ption no
395 [04:08:15] <trek00> tomreyn: not, this is the old protocol, cypherpunks type I, used for the nym server that allows for anonymous replies
396 [04:08:27] <tomreyn> oh i see
397 [04:08:42] <crestfallen> does that toggle?
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399 [04:09:14] <trek00> crestfallen: only if you want to encrypt with the recipient' key
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402 [04:10:19] <crestfallen> the interface is brutal is it some archaic editor?
403 [04:10:29] <crestfallen> I can't get to the body of the email
404 [04:10:51] <trek00> tomreyn: pool size is the how much emails are retained always on the remailer before to send another message, so this is the anonymous pool
405 [04:11:20] <trek00> crestfallen: you can send a txt message from the command line, formatted like an email
406 [04:11:38] <trek00> crestfallen: with headers and message body
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409 [04:12:57] <crestfallen> sorry not getting it. it says I'm in a dot file .Mix/poolxc0aXXX01.txt
410 [04:13:19] <crestfallen> correction : it says I'm in a dot file .Mix/pool/xc0aXXX01.txt
411 [04:13:43] <trek00> crestfallen: try echo "Hello my friend" | mixmaster -t your@email.address -c 3 -s "Subject of your mail"
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414 [04:16:02] <mmx_in_space> trek00: i think there's a significant chance that the server is the problem. i have root access to it by the way
415 [04:16:31] <trek00> mmx_in_space: i really don't know the windows environment sorry
416 [04:16:37] <mmx_in_space> what *might* an ssh server's problem be?
417 [04:16:55] <mmx_in_space> i meant the debian server
418 [04:17:10] <trek00> mmx_in_space: you can actually use a shell inside the debian server?
419 [04:17:15] <mmx_in_space> yes
420 [04:17:30] <mmx_in_space> root
421 [04:17:41] <trek00> mmx_in_space: well, netstat -tuan | grep 22
422 [04:18:51] <mmx_in_space> omg
423 [04:19:12] <trek00> mmx_in_space: it should says 0.0.0.0:22 LISTEN
424 [04:19:14] <crestfallen> trek00, this is what I got with that command but no email received.
425 [04:19:17] <crestfallen> replaced-url
426 [04:20:03] <mmx_in_space> trek00: i did networkctl and it looks like i only have a loopback adapter running right now
427 [04:21:32] <crestfallen> but I was in the nano type editor trying to use it. it's weird, I couldn't get into the body of email field
428 [04:21:33] <mmx_in_space> all this time. whoops!
429 [04:22:31] <trek00> crestfallen: checking this bug report, it seems it need to change the configuration replaced-url
430 [04:22:32] <judd> Bug replaced-url
431 [04:23:13] <trek00> crestfallen: the proposed fix is ok
432 [04:24:28] <trek00> mmx_in_space: may be azure has some manual about their debian images
433 [04:24:35] <crestfallen> so follow instructions above, your link or judd 's trek00 ?
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436 [04:25:18] <trek00> crestfallen: yes, you need to change SOURCE from noreply to austria in etc/mixmaster/update.conf and then relaunch /etc/cron.daily/mixmaster
437 [04:26:52] <crestfallen> one moment pls
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440 [04:30:31] <mmx_in_space> trek00: how do i check whether or not i have a working ethernet adapter detected?
441 [04:30:55] <trek00> mmx_in_space: try lspci
442 [04:31:32] <mmx_in_space> command not found
443 [04:31:42] <mmx_in_space> trek00:
444 [04:32:16] <trek00> mmx_in_space: it seems a broken install
445 [04:32:56] <trek00> mmx_in_space: how it is supposed to install something on that?
446 [04:33:26] <mmx_in_space> trek00: this is i think a QEMU problem i'm having
447 [04:33:44] <mmx_in_space> no ethernet link shows up when i do networkctl
448 [04:34:12] <mmx_in_space> and/or broken install, yeah
449 [04:34:37] <trek00> mmx_in_space: may be you need to enable some device configuration on qemu, i'm not familiar
450 [04:35:31] <crestfallen> trek00, when I hit send, I get the error: No reliable remailers!
451 [04:36:17] <trek00> crestfallen: you need to re-run /etc/cron.daily/mixmaster as root, to update the remailers list
452 [04:36:31] <crestfallen> I wonder if austria should be in double quotes
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454 [04:37:07] <trek00> crestfallen: probably not, noreply had quotes around?
455 [04:37:14] <crestfallen> yeah I did that trek00 does that sort of command need a dot such as $ sudo ./etc/cron.daily/mixmaster
456 [04:37:36] <crestfallen> no noreply did not
457 [04:37:36] <trek00> no dot, sudo /etc/cron.daily/mixmaster
458 [04:37:49] <crestfallen> I did that, what a drag, was really excited to use it
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460 [04:38:34] <trek00> crestfallen: i see that mixmaster was removed from the latest debian release, may be it was no more maintained well
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462 [04:39:04] <crestfallen> yeah there's also this on the bug page: Check for services that provide the data using
463 [04:39:04] <crestfallen> https as well, and update /etc/mixmaster/allpingers.txt accordingly.
464 [04:39:56] <crestfallen> yeah I think its wonky. the bug page indicated anonymity is not certain, etc
465 [04:40:09] <crestfallen> is there another by chance?
466 [04:40:39] <trek00> crestfallen: real secure anonymity is a complex thing, warnings are here for that
467 [04:41:08] <crestfallen> really ok. I'll just punch the guy really hard in the arm :)
468 [04:41:20] <trek00> :D
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470 [04:42:23] <trek00> crestfallen: try to launch mixmaster-update as user
471 [04:42:47] <crestfallen> as user just without sudo you mean?
472 [04:42:52] <trek00> yes
473 [04:43:04] <crestfallen> ok I just removed it but I'll try again...
474 [04:43:33] <trek00> crestfallen: uhm sorry it should run
475 [04:43:46] <trek00> crestfallen: do not reinstall it, i was wrong
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477 [04:44:48] <crestfallen> ok copy that trek00 . weird the config file still had austria from last install
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480 [04:45:29] <trek00> crestfallen: if you want to remove the config files, you should purge the package with apt remove --purge mixmaster
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484 [04:48:45] <crestfallen> so I wonder if I should try one more thing : go into allpingers.txt to do some? editing there. see paste replaced-url
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488 [04:50:10] <trek00> crestfallen: it should be already ok allpingers
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490 [04:50:49] <crestfallen> this is what allpingers looks like replaced-url
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492 [04:52:54] <trek00> crestfallen: may be austria needs https here but i'm unsure
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495 [04:53:27] <crestfallen> just add s' all down the line? trek00
496 [04:53:39] <trek00> crestfallen: yes
497 [04:53:49] <crestfallen> sweet I'll try it thanks kindly
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499 [04:54:51] <trek00> :)
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503 [05:00:19] <crestfallen> thanks gotta go trek00 just purged the whole thing. interesting concept though. getting kicked out of cafe.. pax
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521 [05:25:59] <amosbird> Hi, can I run debuild no clean and no build?
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533 [05:35:50] <trek00> amosbird: you want only extract the source?
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539 [05:41:39] <amosbird> trek00: only package the binary
540 [05:42:55] <trek00> amosbird: with dpkg-buildpackage -nc it will not try to rebuild the package
541 [05:43:32] <amosbird> oh
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543 [05:44:15] <trek00> amosbird: probably you can do debuild -nc
544 [05:44:58] <amosbird> dpkg-buildpackage only runs the binary projcess?
545 [05:45:02] <amosbird> process*
546 [05:45:41] <trek00> amosbird: dpkg-buildpackage actually runs make -f debian/rules and then it creates the binary package
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548 [05:46:24] <amosbird> not sure how -nc helps
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551 [05:46:57] <trek00> amosbird: -nc tells to not do make clean before
552 [05:47:25] <amosbird> is it possible to have make install do hard link instead of cp?
553 [05:47:52] <trek00> amosbird: i don't think so
554 [05:48:19] <trek00> amosbird: what are you trying to do?
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558 [05:51:36] <amosbird> nm
559 [05:51:45] <amosbird> btw, can I also bypass the build phase?
560 [05:51:51] <amosbird> -nc bypasses the clean phase
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562 [05:54:59] <trek00> amosbird: if you want only to create a package you can use dpkg -b directory filename.deb
563 [05:56:00] <trek00> amosbird: if for example you want to modify a binary package, you can dpkg-deb -R filename.deb directory
564 [05:56:15] <trek00> amosbird: then modify some of the files and the dpkg -b directory filename.deb
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566 [05:59:35] <amosbird> ah
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568 [05:59:49] <amosbird> actually I can just run the rule makefile manually
569 [06:00:13] <amosbird> btw, can I make "debian/rules override_dh_auto_install override_dh_install override_dh_builddeb" run the target one by one?
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572 [06:00:30] <amosbird> heh, ok, I'll write three command
573 [06:00:57] <trek00> amosbird: sorry i'm not familiar with dh_*
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576 [06:01:44] <amosbird> nm
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579 [06:06:01] <amosbird> dh_gencontrol: chown(0, 0, debian/clickhouse-client/DEBIAN/control): Operation not permitted
580 [06:06:14] <trek00> amosbird: use fakeroot
581 [06:06:20] <amosbird> ... why does dh_gencontrol try to chown to root?
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583 [06:06:55] <trek00> amosbird: because you want this package installed as root and thus it sets permissions to be archived with tar
584 [06:07:26] <amosbird> that means I need root permission to gencontrol?
585 [06:07:31] <amosbird> that sucks
586 [06:08:06] <trek00> amosbird: type fakeroot command
587 [06:08:23] <trek00> amosbird: fakeroot debuild or fakeroot gencontrol
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589 [06:09:16] <amosbird> hmm, fakeroot is able to create files with root permission?
590 [06:09:20] <amosbird> root ownership?
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592 [06:09:37] <trek00> amosbird: not, but it fakes the syscall so the calling program is ok
593 [06:10:02] <trek00> it's an useful workaround
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595 [06:10:30] <amosbird> cool
596 [06:10:55] <amosbird> nice, now it's root clean
597 [06:11:08] <trek00> :)
598 [06:11:19] <amosbird> heh, debian has a love with makefiles while gentoo like bash/perl
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601 [06:11:46] <trek00> every distribution has its way
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798 [09:36:50] <trek00> amosbird: probably it strips out debugging symbols
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806 [09:39:19] <no_gravity> How do you set the terminal title? I tried this, but it has no effect: echo -ne "\033]0;SOME TITLE HERE\007"
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811 [09:42:33] <no_gravity> This kinda works, but it does not change what is displayed in the start panel: wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -N "My Title"
812 [09:42:55] <no_gravity> In the panel it still shows "myusername@myhost:/..."
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827 [09:48:18] <kreyren> Is there a way to check if debian is using 32-bit libs?
828 [09:48:27] <kreyren> i want to adapt logic in script (bash)
829 [09:49:17] <ratrace> kreyren: dpkg -l | grep :i386 a quick and dirty way. I'm sure dpkg query might have other filters
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831 [09:50:43] <kreyren> ratrace, using that for the time being, thanks
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833 [09:54:01] <no_gravity> I got it working now!
834 [09:54:03] <no_gravity> My prompt was overwriting it.
835 [09:54:05] <no_gravity> Therefore I did not see the result of the echo with escape chars.
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917 [11:20:36] <TheSilentLink> Hi anyone know the ip to the debian ntp servers?
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919 [11:22:27] <BCMM> TheSilentLink: does debian have its own ntp servers? i thought it just used pool.ntp.org
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921 [11:22:31] <ratrace> The0phile: can't you check with `host 0.debian.pool.ntp.org` ?
922 [11:22:41] <ratrace> TheSilentLink: ^^^ (sorry The0phile)
923 [11:23:12] <TheSilentLink> oh thanks so the 4 ips are for the debian servers?
924 [11:24:04] <BCMM> TheSilentLink: yes, sorry. there is 0.debian.pool.ntp.org (and 1,2,3). however, they don't have a single IP address each
925 [11:24:11] <ratrace> TheSilentLink: these are not IPs but hostnames of Debian's ntp.org pool. the pool will give different IP results in different situations
926 [11:24:36] <ratrace> then again, what's your _actual_ problem you want to solve?
927 [11:24:40] <ratrace> !xy
928 [11:24:41] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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931 [11:25:36] <BCMM> from here, it looks like each of those has four different A records, for a total of 16 IP addresses. but it might give different results in different countries, for example
932 [11:26:14] <BCMM> but unless you've decided to operate a machine with no ability to use DNS, i can't see why you'd want to use the IP addresses directly
933 [11:27:14] <TheSilentLink> well I have device where the dns unbound seems to take a while to start and thus it fails to resolve this ips at boot leaving the device with a wrong time and thus unbound stops working
934 [11:27:16] <ratrace> they shouldn't be used directly though. the wole point of the pool is to balance out demand across multiple regions
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936 [11:30:15] <trek00> TheSilentLink: which ntp client do you use?
937 [11:30:22] <TheSilentLink> systemd-timesyncd
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939 [11:30:45] <trek00> TheSilentLink: sorry i'm not familiar with systemd
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942 [11:31:33] <trek00> TheSilentLink: anyway it seems to be a startup problem where timesyncd is called before unbound is ready
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946 [11:33:13] <ratrace> but uh.. time shouldn't deadlock like that. unless there's no onboard clock w/ battery so each boot it's back to 1970
947 [11:34:00] <ratrace> (and then things like DNSSEC fail)
948 [11:34:07] <trek00> ratrace: unbound does dnssec, thus it could not run fine with a bad clock
949 [11:34:45] <TheSilentLink> yep that is the issue plus it is a raspberry pi 1 model b quite weak and with no onboard clock
950 [11:34:45] <trek00> may be if timesyncd can be called after unbound..
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952 [11:35:12] <ratrace> well, altering the service to run After=unbound.service (or whatsitcalled) is doable
953 [11:35:20] <trek00> good :)
954 [11:35:45] <brutser> two questions, when i boot my real laptop with same install, i get some differences compared to booting same install with qemu: 1. do_irq 1.55 no irq handler for vector < that is related to the hardware im sure, i know it's harmless, but still i want to fix, or at minimum suppress those messages 2. since i have a luks encrypted rootfs, with real
955 [11:35:46] <brutser> hardware it shows: "cryptsetup: waiting for encrypted source device /bla/bla", since i try to obscure the luks encryption, why is this message there on real hardware, but not with qemu? really puzzled by that and no idea how to suppress that right now
956 [11:35:52] <ratrace> I've myself had issues with BIND failing on DNSSEC verifying roots, on boot, because network wasn't ready by the time BIND starts
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958 [11:36:11] <ratrace> I solved this by adding a temporary service that holds boot until gateway is pingable and made bind run After= that one
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961 [11:37:13] <ratrace> I know there's network-online.target but that didn't suffice for some reason
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963 [11:37:28] <ratrace> I literally had to have the gateway pingable before BIND could proceed.
964 [11:38:40] <trek00> brutser: may be adding noauto to the crypttab entry could remove this "cryptsetup: waiting for encrypted source" message
965 [11:38:59] <brutser> trek00: good idea, i'll try that
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967 [11:39:15] <ratrace> TheSilentLink: another possibility, get time via DHCP?
968 [11:39:46] <TheSilentLink> ratrace: I thought of that but I'm not sure if my dhcp server supports giving out the time
969 [11:40:32] <trek00> TheSilentLink: may be tell timesyncd to use another dns?
970 [11:41:11] <ratrace> you can use maybe your gateway's IP in the NTP= setting of timesyncd.conf ?
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990 [11:55:21] <BCMM> TheSilentLink: are you just reverting to 1970 each boot?
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992 [11:56:06] <BCMM> i thought the usual approach for raspberry pis is to set the clock to whatever time it was at the last shutdown, which isn't *correct* as such, but usually means certificates remain valid at least
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994 [11:56:18] <BCMM> (and also keeps file modification times in the correct order)
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998 [12:00:40] <brutser> trek00: the noauto unfortunately did not suppress it, it's weird that it does not show up in qemu, or is that logical? i have the exact same setup
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1003 [12:04:48] <trek00> brutser: it should suppress it, but may be there is a mount systemd unit file that depend on that encrypted partition?
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1006 [12:05:35] <brutser> trek00: but that would be the same when testing in qemu, no?
1007 [12:05:41] <trek00> brutser: yes
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1009 [12:06:03] <brutser> trek00: that's why i am confused, it's not shown in qemu
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1012 [12:06:54] <trek00> brutser: are you sure it is exactly the same configuration? systemd dependecies too?
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1015 [12:08:24] <brutser> trek00: most likely not i guess :) but it's a minimal setup with just the luks encryption which i create with some scripts, just on the laptop it's a real physical usb
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1017 [12:08:59] <trek00> brutser: may be the order of udev events are different..
1018 [12:09:22] <brutser> trek00: but it's luks partition without header, so except for crypttab, system cannot know it's some luks device
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1025 [12:11:20] <brutser> trek00: but i think the message comes from crypttab now that i think of it, because i address the device there as /dev/disk/by-id/xxx and the message on boot is: cryptsetup: waiting for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx
1026 [12:11:44] <brutser> and since header is stored elsewhere, it cannot know it's luks, except for the crypttab
1027 [12:12:03] <brutser> so then still i am confused why the difference between qemu and real hardware
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1038 [12:17:00] <trek00> brutser: try to add noauto to the corresponding entry in the fstab
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1041 [12:17:28] <brutser> trek00: ok, trying
1042 [12:19:13] <brutser> trek00: no still there
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1044 [12:19:36] <trek00> brutser: i think you need a systemd expert to debug this
1045 [12:20:21] <brutser> trek00: yes or maybe run in qemu with the usb redirected, so using same real hardware with qemu, then i can at least test more easily
1046 [12:20:52] <trek00> brutser: just for info, do you have cryptsetup-run installed?
1047 [12:21:25] <brutser> trek00: yes
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1050 [12:22:38] <trek00> brutser: that was my last chance, i can't help, try to ask again later here
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1052 [12:23:26] <trek00> brutser: i think there is some method to know why a service is started by systemd
1053 [12:23:28] <brutser> trek00: ok, thanks for your help of course! i think i could look into why it's not showing in qemu, while doing the exact same setup, probably there i can find my answer
1054 [12:23:49] <brutser> ok
1055 [12:23:53] <trek00> :)
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1059 [12:25:52] <free_speech> this and several other issues are the reasons why I refuse to uslying on systemd ...
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1061 [12:26:09] <free_speech> *why I refuse to use distributions relying*
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1063 [12:26:36] <trek00> free_speech: on debian you can use the init you want :)
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1065 [12:26:47] <BCMM> trek00: well, sort of...
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1069 [12:27:47] <BCMM> packages are allowed to depend on systemd and not work properly without systemd. it's possible to run an alternative init system with Debian, but let's not downplay the effort required to do so
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1072 [12:28:40] <trek00> BCMM: well there are alternatives to these packages too :)
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1074 [12:29:26] <brutser> i have tried void, alpine, but always had other issues with them too that kept me going back to debian
1075 [12:29:46] <trek00> debian rocks! :)
1076 [12:30:37] <humpled> \o/
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1088 [12:41:24] <otyugh> Hey
1089 [12:41:53] <TheSilentLink> BCMM: it was the last time but unfortunately the pi froze and thus it was 2 hours out of sync
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1091 [12:41:57] <otyugh> I heard there was a new calamares installer from buster. I tried a few .iso image and couldn't find out
1092 [12:42:12] <otyugh> could you point me what I'm missing ?
1093 [12:43:11] <trek00> otyugh: may be you can use it only on live images
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1095 [12:45:27] <trek00> TheSilentLink: you fixed the issue?
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1102 [12:50:54] <Toto21> Hello
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1105 [12:51:10] <free_speech> brutser, my laptop runs devuan, my tower-PC (yet) runs debian, but it will also be switched to devuan during the next week ...
1106 [12:52:26] <Toto21> I have upgraded from debian 9 vps to debian 10 dedicated server and I don't understand why my iptables script is not working anymore in /etc/init.d but if I move the script to /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ then it is working ?
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1108 [12:53:35] <TheSilentLink> trek00: well for now I have set the ip of the ntp server
1109 [12:53:37] <ratrace> Toto21: what iptables script would that be?
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1111 [12:54:12] <trek00> TheSilentLink: it's a workaround at least
1112 [12:54:56] <trek00> Toto21: you can see if it's called at boot?
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1114 [12:56:13] <Toto21> ratrace : something like "iptables -t filter -P INPUT DROP....."
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1117 [12:57:00] <trek00> Toto21: may be you need to run systemd-sysv-generator
1118 [12:57:40] <Toto21> trek00 how can you know if it is called at boot ? I did "update-rc.d firewall defaults
1119 [12:58:14] <trek00> Toto21: you could add an echo "FIREWALL RUN HERE" in your script
1120 [12:58:41] <Toto21> then I will see in syslog ?
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1122 [12:59:08] <trek00> Toto21: not, on the console, to see in syslog you should add: logger "FIREWALL RUN HERE"
1123 [12:59:29] <ratrace> Toto21: you can use iptables-persistent and put your rules under /etc/iptables/rules.v{4,6}
1124 [12:59:40] <Toto21> but if it is in init.d ? then I have no console ?
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1126 [12:59:51] <ratrace> i'm not aware which debian package installs an iptables init script, so I'm guessing that's somethign custom?
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1128 [13:02:56] <trek00> ratrace: just to know, systemd launch all init.d services or they need to be enabled?
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1133 [13:04:00] <Toto21> the thing is I would like to keep the same script, maybe it is fine to keep it in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ ( replaced-url
1134 [13:04:36] <trek00> Toto21: do you still have access to debian 9 server?
1135 [13:04:39] <ratrace> trek00: if there's no corresponding systemd unit, afaik the init.d script, if it exists, will be converted through a generator
1136 [13:05:00] <ratrace> trek00: not sure how enable/disable interacts with that though
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1142 [13:05:35] <ratrace> Toto21: can you define "not working" really? does it not start? does it start but errors out on other things?
1143 [13:05:47] <trek00> ratrace: ok, thanks
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1149 [13:08:14] <Toto21> retrace not working for the moment means I have no rule when I do "iptables -L" after reboot
1150 [13:08:16] <trek00> Toto21: anyway putting it in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d it's ok, may be the init environment is different from one server to another
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1153 [13:09:42] <Toto21> ratrace I added at the end of the script "logger "FIREWALL RUN HERE"" but after reboot there is nothing doing "grep 'FIREWALL' /var/log/syslog"
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1157 [13:12:09] <Toto21> it seems like the script is not called at startup ?
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1159 [13:12:22] <trek00> Toto21: right
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1161 [13:13:41] <ratrace> trek00: I'd recommend you turn that script into a proper systemd service unit. I personally don't care about troubleshooting sysv any more, after so many years of doing that. :)
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1163 [13:14:26] <trek00> Toto21: try to do on both servers: dpkg -l | grep systemd-sysv
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1165 [13:16:29] <Toto21> "update-rc.d firewall defaults" is not working anymore on debian 10 ?
1166 [13:16:39] <Toto21> how can you list the result of this command ?
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1169 [13:17:29] <no_gravity> How can I make my PROMPT_COMMAND show the current directory name? I mean if the path is /some/great/dingdong, I want to show it "dingdong".
1170 [13:17:46] <trek00> no_gravity: $PWD
1171 [13:17:57] <no_gravity> trek00: Yeah, that gives me the path.
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1173 [13:18:03] <trek00> Toto21: may be it is no more running with systemd
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1175 [13:18:12] <Habbie> no_gravity, 'basename'
1176 [13:18:13] <no_gravity> trek00: But how do I cut everything except the current dir?
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1178 [13:18:32] <Toto21> trek00 on the server where it is not working I have result for "dpkg -l | grep systemd-sysv" and on the server working I have no result
1179 [13:18:38] <Habbie> no_gravity, man bash mentions \W for PS1
1180 [13:18:54] <no_gravity> Habbie: Yeah, but that does not work for PROMPT_COMMAND
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1183 [13:19:12] <trek00> Toto21: that's what i was suspecting, systemd is no more handling init.d scripts
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1185 [13:19:18] <Habbie> no_gravity, which one, \W? then basename, or magic bash string processing
1186 [13:19:21] <Toto21> trek00 the result of the command on the server where it is not working "ii systemd-sysv 241-7~deb10u1 amd64 system and service manager - SysV links"
1187 [13:19:31] <trek00> no_gravity: try $(basename $PWD)
1188 [13:19:35] <no_gravity> Habbie: I actually use \W in my PS1 and want the same for my prompt command so I can set the window title to the same.
1189 [13:19:39] <no_gravity> trek00: Lemme try that ...
1190 [13:19:50] <Habbie> that would work
1191 [13:19:55] <Habbie> with a fork+exec
1192 [13:20:08] <Toto21> oo systemd is no more handling startup script ? so who is doing it ? do you have any tutorial ?
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1194 [13:21:10] <trek00> no_gravity: has habbie said this is not optimal, try echo ${PWD##*/}
1195 [13:21:22] <Toto21> trek00 how do you know with your command that systemd is not more handling it ?
1196 [13:21:44] <ratrace> Toto21: in the time you spent here fighting with broken sysv, you could've written a service unit and be done with it :)
1197 [13:21:51] <no_gravity> trek00: ok
1198 [13:21:56] <trek00> Toto21: with that command i only know that the working server haven't systemd
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1200 [13:22:31] <Alina-malina> does debian comes with curl built in?
1201 [13:22:47] <no_gravity> trek00: Looks good! This is my pc now: PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${PWD##*/}/\007"'
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1203 [13:23:13] <no_gravity> So when I am in "/cooli/dooli/" it shows "dooli/" in the window title.
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1205 [13:23:49] <trek00> no_gravity: i wonder why this is working no more on my rxvt
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1207 [13:24:21] <no_gravity> And more importantly it shows "dooli/" on the panel. (Or what is that list of windows on the bottom of the screen called?)
1208 [13:24:26] <trek00> Alina-malina: no, you must install it
1209 [13:24:40] <Alina-malina> oh ok thanks, trek00
1210 [13:24:43] <trek00> Alina-malina: apt install curl
1211 [13:24:50] <Alina-malina> <3
1212 [13:25:50] <no_gravity> Can I make Debian *not* add (as superuser) when I am root?
1213 [13:25:57] <trek00> Toto21: you can try to call you script from inside rc.local, check this replaced-url
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1217 [13:26:40] <trek00> no_gravity: not add what?
1218 [13:27:11] <Toto21> trek00 I think I better stick with systemd and write a service unit file
1219 [13:27:14] <no_gravity> trek00: It adds "(as superuser)" to my window title.
1220 [13:27:43] <trek00> Toto21: yes :)
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1223 [13:28:39] <trek00> no_gravity: add to your root .bashrc: PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${PWD##*/} (as superuser)/\007"'
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1225 [13:29:34] <no_gravity> trek00: I want it to *not* add that.
1226 [13:29:47] <no_gravity> trek00: Somehow debian (gnome? mate?) adds it automatically.
1227 [13:29:47] <trek00> no_gravity: sorry
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1230 [13:30:18] <trek00> no_gravity: i don't know this one
1231 [13:32:11] <no_gravity> trek00: Ok. Thanks for the help! I got a nice step forward with my dev environment.
1232 [13:32:18] <trek00> :)
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1248 [13:50:29] <geoff343> #help
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1251 [13:50:54] <trek00> !ask geoff343
1252 [13:50:59] <trek00> !ask
1253 [13:50:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1274 [14:00:38] <MTB2019> pulseaudio does not save the settings after reboot .any clue?\
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1320 [14:33:45] <phlax> hi, can anyone tell me if there is a "right" way - ie debhelper etc - to add repositories in a package. i have seen packages that do it, but struggling to find google fu
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1378 [15:12:27] <amosbird> trek00: the dynamic linker changes
1379 [15:13:43] <trek00> amosbird: may be you can override it with LD=/path/your/ld debuild
1380 [15:15:27] <amosbird> trek00: hmm, dpkg-deb shouldn't call ld
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1382 [15:16:17] <trek00> amosbird: right
1383 [15:16:24] <amosbird> it's just a compression process
1384 [15:16:53] <amosbird> and it changes the interpreter
1385 [15:17:32] <amosbird> I've browsed the code base but don't find anything related to interp
1386 [15:17:47] <trek00> amosbird: what interpreter?
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1390 [15:19:28] <trek00> which
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1420 [15:36:24] <amosbird> trek00: it should be /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
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1424 [15:36:49] <amosbird> but it changes to my local interp => /home/amos/gentoo/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f2e12f91000) when packaing
1425 [15:36:53] <amosbird> that doesn't make any sense to me
1426 [15:37:17] <amosbird> the pre-packaging binary in the fakeroot env still has the right interp which is /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
1427 [15:37:36] <amosbird> but after built into a deb, uncompressed it, suddenly the interp changes to /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 => /home/amos/gentoo/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f2e12f91000)
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1440 [15:42:35] <trek00> amosbird: are you checking with ldd on a clean environment?
1441 [15:42:44] <amosbird> trek00: /usr/bin/ldd
1442 [15:42:53] <amosbird> I'm aware of that ldd trick
1443 [15:42:59] <amosbird> but compression?
1444 [15:43:05] <amosbird> that doesn't make any sense
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1446 [15:44:00] <brutser> how to explain, with qemu minimal setup debian with luks rootfs, show on boot nothing, but when doing the exact same setup on laptop, it shows "cryptsetup: Waiing for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx" i have exact same line in crypttab - i even have detached header, only crypttab can know it is luks rootfs and i put in crypttab "noauto"
1447 [15:44:00] <brutser> :S (trek00 < you can ignore lol)
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1460 [15:49:35] <trek00> amosbird: ldd read environment variables like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, so the environment must be clean or you should directly inspect the binary file (something like strings filename | less)
1461 [15:50:16] <amosbird> trek00: it's clean
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1469 [15:50:44] <amosbird> trek00: I'm sure the outcome deb package is broken. I've shipped it and it breaks the host
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1473 [15:52:17] <trek00> amosbird: sorry i never had this problem, it never changed binary files when using dpkg-deb
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1477 [15:52:40] <amosbird> trek00: yes, it shouldn't
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1479 [15:52:47] <amosbird> I have no idea what's going wrong
1480 [15:54:48] <trek00> amosbird: i use dpkg -b to build packages but it should be the same as dpkg-deb
1481 [15:55:23] <amosbird> you remind me of something
1482 [15:55:25] <amosbird> I should do a strace
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1491 [16:04:18] <ws2k3> i j ust upgraded debian 8 to 9 and 9 to 10 and now i get php: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by php)
1492 [16:04:22] <ws2k3> when i run php
1493 [16:05:07] <amosbird> hmm, how can I unzip a package with dpkg-deb -Z none ?
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1495 [16:07:14] <trek00> amosbird: decompressing should be handled by dpkg-deb -R
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1497 [16:08:36] <trek00> ws2k3: probably some package is not updated, may be there is no more a package named like that on the current debian release
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1500 [16:09:49] <ws2k3> trek00 well i already tryed different things but the error wont go away
1501 [16:10:05] <ws2k3> trek00 i already removed the php-curl but the error is still there
1502 [16:10:50] <trek00> ws2k3: try check dpkg -l | grep ^..r
1503 [16:11:35] <ws2k3> trek00 no result
1504 [16:11:58] <trek00> ws2k3: are you familiar with aptitude?
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1506 [16:12:47] <ws2k3> trek00 a bit yes
1507 [16:13:06] <trek00> ws2k3: i found a command line too: aptitude search '~o'
1508 [16:13:35] <trek00> ws2k3: may be this will list old packages that still installed
1509 [16:14:12] <kreyren> i'm getting `configure: error: FreeType 64-bit development files not found. Fonts will not be built.` on debian what package do i need for it?
1510 [16:14:15] <kreyren> (building wine)
1511 [16:14:53] <trek00> kreyren: libfreetype6-dev
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1514 [16:16:04] <kreyren> trek00, same issue
1515 [16:16:30] <kreyren> /usr/include/freetype2/ is present
1516 [16:16:47] <kreyren> symlinking to /usr/include/freetype same issue
1517 [16:17:18] <amosbird> trek00: isn't -x?
1518 [16:17:28] <amosbird> well, strace shows nothing suspicious
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1520 [16:17:38] <trek00> kreyren: are you building the debian source package or something else?
1521 [16:18:13] <trek00> amosbird: -x don't extract the DEBIAN directory
1522 [16:18:14] <kreyren> trek00, something else (wine from source winehq)
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1526 [16:18:58] <trek00> kreyren: may be you can find useful to install all the build dependencies of the debian source package: apt build-dep wine
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1528 [16:19:57] <kreyren> trying
1529 [16:20:01] <trek00> kreyren: in any case you should rerun the configure script
1530 [16:20:33] <amosbird> trek00: ok
1531 [16:20:34] <kreyren> trek00, this is configuration script i didn't tried to build it yet
1532 [16:20:43] <trek00> amosbird: -x for install -R for development
1533 [16:20:48] <amosbird> thanks
1534 [16:20:58] <amosbird> debian/tmp/usr/bin/clickhouse: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, stripped
1535 [16:20:59] * kreyren waits for apt to install deps
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1539 [16:21:41] <trek00> amosbird: what it was wrong?
1540 [16:21:42] <amosbird> debian/clickhouse-common-static/usr/bin/clickhouse: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /home/amos/gentoo/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, stripped
1541 [16:21:46] <amosbird> this
1542 [16:21:49] <amosbird> after packaged
1543 [16:22:01] <trek00> amosbird: ah
1544 [16:22:05] <amosbird> !!!
1545 [16:22:05] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
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1547 [16:22:10] <amosbird> I think I might nail it
1548 [16:22:17] <ws2k3> trek00 i think it seriously broken
1549 [16:22:30] <ws2k3> when i do apt-get remove php-cli and then install it again i get bash: /usr/local/bin/php: No such file or directory
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1551 [16:23:11] <trek00> ws2k3: may be you have installed some not official debian packges?
1552 [16:23:34] <amosbird> trek00: can I have dpkg-deb not invoking strip?
1553 [16:23:40] <ws2k3> trek000 no its from the official debian repo
1554 [16:23:56] <kreyren> trek00, thanks that worked
1555 [16:24:10] <trek00> amosbird: dpkg-deb should not call strip, it should be a thing of dpkg-buildpackage
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1557 [16:24:24] <amosbird> hmmmmmmmm
1558 [16:24:26] <trek00> kreyren: :)
1559 [16:25:14] <amosbird> well, doesn't related to strip.........
1560 [16:25:17] <amosbird> ereplaced-url
1561 [16:25:49] <pierrot> Hello. I've updated Debian 9 to Debian 10 buster but I'm now I'm getting some errors at boot time.
1562 [16:25:56] <trek00> ws2k3: i don't know from where is coming /usr/local/bin/php it should be /usr/bin/php
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1565 [16:26:53] <trek00> amosbird: it seems to me something related to environment variables like PATH, LD_PRELOAD, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, PKG_CONFIG, LD, CC, AR
1566 [16:27:29] <amosbird> but.... strace shows nothing
1567 [16:27:37] <amosbird> it only execve is tar
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1569 [16:27:50] <amosbird> and I've manually tarred it, interp is intact
1570 [16:28:29] <amosbird> how the heck can "dpkg-deb -Z none --build debian/clickhouse-common-static" changes the interp section of the binaries inside?
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1572 [16:29:10] <pierrot> this is the dmesg's log : replaced-url
1573 [16:29:12] <trek00> amosbird: what it says? strings filename | grep ld-linux
1574 [16:29:57] <ws2k3> amosbird jeej clickhouse rocks
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1576 [16:30:02] <amosbird> trek00: replaced-url
1577 [16:30:04] <pierrot> it boots succesfully despite those errors but I'd like to know what they are and how can I avoid them
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1579 [16:30:28] <ws2k3> trek00 i think previously a compiled php was on this system
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1582 [16:31:09] <trek00> amosbird: really strange to me
1583 [16:31:28] <amosbird> trek00: exactly
1584 [16:31:36] <amosbird> it makes no sense at all...
1585 [16:31:38] <trek00> ws2k3: you need to fix it manually i think
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1588 [16:32:50] <amosbird> trek00: wait a sec!
1589 [16:32:52] <trek00> pierrot: is there any file like that? /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules.dpkg*
1590 [16:33:01] <amosbird> why does the final binary miss this line? -s -Wl,-I/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -fuse-ld=gold -rdynamic -Wl,--no-undefined
1591 [16:33:17] <amosbird> the binary is definitely being tweaked
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1593 [16:34:18] <trek00> amosbird: something weird is happening, i would try on another machine, or at least another user
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1595 [16:34:49] <amosbird> btw, will there be any hooks running after dpkg-deb?
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1597 [16:35:13] <trek00> amosbird: you can try to call it manually
1598 [16:35:15] <pierrot> trek00 : no, there's a file which name is /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules
1599 [16:35:16] <amosbird> I do
1600 [16:35:22] <amosbird> trek00: oh, there is this : export DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=hardening=+all,-pie
1601 [16:35:26] <amosbird> hardening?
1602 [16:35:31] <amosbird> what does that do
1603 [16:35:40] <trek00> amosbird: try to comment it out
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1607 [16:36:11] <amosbird> doesn't work
1608 [16:36:13] <amosbird> ...
1609 [16:36:55] <trek00> pierrot: try grep operation /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules
1610 [16:37:30] <trek00> amosbird: or remove it :)
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1613 [16:38:24] <pierrot> trek00 : do you mean `grep operation /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules` ?
1614 [16:38:33] <trek00> pierrot: yes
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1617 [16:38:44] <pierrot> trek00 : there's no output
1618 [16:38:53] <amosbird> trek00: .......
1619 [16:39:30] <trek00> pierrot: debsums -ca udev
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1621 [16:39:47] <trek00> amosbird: what?
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1623 [16:39:55] <amosbird> remove what
1624 [16:39:57] <pierrot> it seems that I don't have `debsums`
1625 [16:40:12] <trek00> amosbird: export DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS=hardening=+all,-pie
1626 [16:40:12] <sear> ciao
1627 [16:40:23] <amosbird> trek00: how is remove different from comment?
1628 [16:40:29] <sear> !list
1629 [16:40:30] <dpkg> sear: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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1631 [16:41:24] <amosbird> actually, is there any other case that the binary changed after dpkg-deb?
1632 [16:41:30] <amosbird> the md5sum is different
1633 [16:41:35] <trek00> pierrot: may be it is a bug on udev replaced-url
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1635 [16:41:39] <amosbird> I'm not sure if that even works
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1638 [16:42:36] <pierrot> trek00 : ah, ok. thanks
1639 [16:42:42] <pierrot> trek00 : what about the other errors?
1640 [16:43:18] <trek00> amosbird: i routinely do without any binary modification: dpkg-deb -R file.deb dir; sed -i 's/something/somethat/g' dir/DEBIAN/control; dpkg -b dir file.deb
1641 [16:43:38] <pierrot> debian also does a filesystem check whenever I boot. I don't know if that's normal
1642 [16:43:51] <dak> lol
1643 [16:43:59] <trek00> pierrot: this may be you should disable secure boot: Problem loading UEFI:db X.509 certificate (-65)
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1646 [16:44:42] <pierrot> hmmm Why should I disable it? I was enabled when I had Debian 9
1647 [16:44:55] <pierrot> It*
1648 [16:45:53] <dak> you should goread about why...
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1653 [16:46:57] <f8e3> how to print the MB memory usage of process? i have ps -p 14554 -o %cpu,%mem,cmd with weird %
1654 [16:47:15] <amosbird> trek00: I assume dpkg -b = dpkg-deb?
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1656 [16:47:53] <trek00> amosbird: they should be the same, but test it to be sure
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1658 [16:48:34] <trek00> anyway i must go away now, bye to all!
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1676 [17:00:24] <dob1> hi, given an iptable rule, can I delete from a chain all the rules that match this rule? now using -D It delets just one
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1683 [17:02:54] <ratrace> dob1: you can iptables-save into a file, sed, vim, nano or edit however you want that file, then iptables-restore it
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1687 [17:04:40] <dob1> ratrace, then I would prefer to loop iptables -D rule until I got the error of no rule, but how can I detect the error?
1688 [17:04:42] <TvL2386> dob1: maybe script it?
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1690 [17:05:38] <dob1> I don't know if I am clear :)
1691 [17:06:18] <TvL2386> dob1: insert mutiple test rules: for i in 1 2 3 ; do iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 ; done
1692 [17:06:27] <TvL2386> dob1: remove them: while true ; do iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 || break ; done
1693 [17:06:32] <ratrace> dob1: test the exit code of iptables -D ?
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1695 [17:08:27] <dob1> iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 this will return 0 when it is ok, so it execute the break or am I wrong?
1696 [17:08:53] <format_c> the return variable of the last command is stored in $? in bash.
1697 [17:09:04] <TvL2386> dob1: the break is executed if the `iptables -D` has a non zero exit status
1698 [17:09:17] <TvL2386> so it breaks the loop if no rules are removed
1699 [17:09:49] <dob1> it's not short-circuit ?
1700 [17:10:04] <TvL2386> not sure what you mean, it does exactly what you want right :)
1701 [17:10:05] <TvL2386> try it
1702 [17:10:08] <TvL2386> I tested it :)
1703 [17:10:15] <dob1> ok I try :)
1704 [17:10:45] <ratrace> this reeks of XY though
1705 [17:10:52] <ratrace> !xy
1706 [17:10:52] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
1707 [17:11:09] <TvL2386> true ratrace. I have no clue why this needs to be done :)
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1709 [17:12:05] <dob1> I am executing a cron job that insert a rule, do something and then remove the rule. but I want to be sure that the rule is removed at the end. if for example the cron job is interrupet at the next iteration the rule is not removed (just one)
1710 [17:12:13] <TvL2386> dob1: If you want to squelch the error you get on the last iteration (iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?).) just do `while true ; do iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 2>/dev/null || break ; done`
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1712 [17:13:12] <dob1> I got it, thanks
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1715 [17:13:45] <TvL2386> dob1: iptables has -C: Check whether a rule matching the specification does exist in the selected chain. This....
1716 [17:13:49] <TvL2386> maybe it has what you need
1717 [17:13:54] <TvL2386> so you can prevent inserting a duplicate
1718 [17:14:00] <dob1> TvL2386, but I have to remove it anyway
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1720 [17:14:01] <ratrace> dob1: can you use chains and them simply empty it before insertion of another rule?
1721 [17:14:16] <TvL2386> yeah, but removing 1 is always the case if you don't insert duplicates
1722 [17:14:17] <dob1> ratrace, create a particular chain and then -F ?
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1724 [17:14:21] <ratrace> ya
1725 [17:14:29] <dob1> ratrace, you right :)
1726 [17:14:49] <TvL2386> many solutions :)
1727 [17:14:53] <dob1> ratrace, but I have to remove the rule in the main chain too, the rule tha redirect to the new chain
1728 [17:15:21] <dob1> so it's the same
1729 [17:15:22] <ratrace> depends, maybe you can have a generic rule that puts packets in that chain?
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1731 [17:15:50] <dob1> ratrace, I have to think about it but it becomes complicated I think
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1733 [17:16:49] <dob1> it's not the best one, but the loop until error that TvL2386 suggested works
1734 [17:17:05] <ratrace> dob1: anotehr way to mass delete, use rule numbers, grep and xargs magic to make a deletion list
1735 [17:17:12] <TvL2386> w00t? Not the best one? Agree to disagree :-p
1736 [17:17:51] <dob1> ratrace, so at this point there will be some libraries, for example for python or perl, to interact with iptables rules?
1737 [17:17:58] <TvL2386> dob1: if you have your ruleset somewhere in a file, you could restore the ruleset to pristine state
1738 [17:18:48] <ratrace> dob1: maybe. can you give an example of what _exactly_ you're doing? from insertion to deletion?
1739 [17:18:48] <dob1> TvL2386, it could be a solution too, but I don't like. maybe someone else added a rule
1740 [17:19:16] <dob1> ratrace, it's a simple rule on OUTPUT chain, nothing special
1741 [17:19:25] <dob1> ratrace, it blocks the traffic from an ip
1742 [17:19:28] <dob1> *to
1743 [17:19:33] <TvL2386> dob1: that's true, I'd use -C to check if it already exists. As you are afraid of inserting duplicates, this would prevent that situation
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1745 [17:19:51] <TvL2386> and if it's prevented, you don't need some loop to make sure it's clean
1746 [17:20:22] <ratrace> dob1: just that? use ipsets then?
1747 [17:20:31] <TvL2386> so: iptables -C FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 || iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32 ; finalizer: iptables -D FORWARD -s 192.168.0.1/32
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1751 [17:22:30] <TvL2386> kiss
1752 [17:22:32] <dob1> ratrace, I don't know it, it's not even installed
1753 [17:23:04] <ratrace> dob1: well if all you do is add or delete IP addresses, then ipsets is really the best solution here
1754 [17:23:11] <dob1> but anyway you game me the ideas, I know how to handle the case now :)
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1756 [17:23:15] <dob1> *gave
1757 [17:23:37] <dob1> i will take a look
1758 [17:24:05] <ratrace> replaced-url
1759 [17:24:24] <ratrace> ipset has a "test" command that tests if an ip is in the set
1760 [17:25:20] <ratrace> and of course you can have multiple ipsets, you can work with subnets and not just individual IPs, and many other nifty things
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1762 [17:25:42] <dob1> it seems ok
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1765 [17:26:32] <TvL2386> ipset is awesome. Only thing that holds me back to using it, if not really necessary, is that it's an additional tool you need to use
1766 [17:26:43] <ratrace> it's also way faster than having individual iptables rules for each IP
1767 [17:27:10] <TvL2386> yes, and if you have a mountain of ip addresses/subnets... You need ipset for performance
1768 [17:27:17] <ratrace> ya
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1776 [17:32:17] <elmariachi> selam
1777 [17:32:46] <elmariachi> ki
1778 [17:32:49] <elmariachi> hello
1779 [17:32:54] <elmariachi> whats up
1780 [17:32:59] <elmariachi> how are you
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1782 [17:34:00] <TvL2386> I'm looking for a transparent http/https proxy that can proxy based on HOST header or TLS servername. Reason why is because I have one public ip, don't want other ports than 80 and 443. Looking at mitmproxy...
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1784 [17:35:17] <elmariachi> ne diyon :))
1785 [17:35:32] <dfsg> Hi everyone. I'm a little lost in the documentation about luks and Debian installer. Can someone tell me (or point me the docs) how to open a luks in debian installer? (cryptsetup not found in ash)
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1792 [17:37:26] <elmariachi> heyyyyyyy
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1802 [17:43:42] <asymptotically> TvL2386: if you're still looking, hitch is nice replaced-url
1803 [17:44:01] <TvL2386> still looking yeah! Thanks!
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1805 [17:44:54] <asymptotically> it doesn't understand http so can't do based on host header, but it can do SNI to select the certificate
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1820 [17:55:26] <f8e3> how to make CONFIG global var avail to module2?
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1823 [17:57:42] <f8e3> ok:replaced-url
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1839 [18:07:41] <ratrace> f8e3: there's #python too, you know
1840 [18:07:50] <f8e3> why should i use any config yaml/toml stuff if there is config.py, i think since 10min and dunno why?
1841 [18:08:00] <f8e3> oh sorry
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1875 [18:28:35] <user99> sh: 1: /uname: not found
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1879 [18:29:09] <user99> Linux debian 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1881 [18:30:53] <horribleprogram> I swear to god I've been trying to format this USB to work for 2 weeks now
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1884 [18:31:48] <humpled> horribleprogram!
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1888 [18:32:58] <horribleprogram> A storage device, let's pretend it's /dev/sdb is broken up into different partitions, named /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb2, etc.
1889 [18:34:31] <horribleprogram> A non-bootable storage device such as a USB drive should not have a EFI partition right?
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1894 [18:36:49] <horribleprogram> or does every storage device have atleast 2 partitions, one holding the partition table, and the other ones holding data?
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1917 [18:50:29] <amosbird> what command uses clickhouse-server.postinst?
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1920 [18:50:51] <LtL> user99: uname is in the coreutils package. it is not invoked with a slash.
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1924 [18:52:59] <user99> kk
1925 [18:53:08] <user99> been a bit
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1929 [18:55:25] <user99> but just fyi the issue was uname usage and the slash and not exec
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1933 [18:57:33] <user99> nm
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1935 [18:58:11] <user99> reading w/o seeing
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1948 [19:03:25] <brutser> how to explain, with qemu minimal setup debian with luks rootfs, show on boot nothing, but when doing the exact same setup on laptop, it shows "cryptsetup: Waiing for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx" i have exact same line in crypttab - i even have detached header, only crypttab can know it is luks rootfs and i put in crypttab "noauto"
1949 [19:03:25] <brutser> :S (trek00 < you can ignore lol)
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1954 [19:05:50] <user99> Linux debian 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1968 [19:10:37] <brutser> i think it might be because it's trying to mount the device during boot, since it is a usb device
1969 [19:10:51] <brutser> can i disable mount for a particular device?
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2056 [20:15:21] <NetTerminalGene> is it safe to use this command? "sudo apt-get clean"
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2062 [20:18:05] <dob1> NetTerminalGene, depends, the next time you want to install a removed package it will download it again
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2082 [20:25:21] <Tom-_> NetTerminalGene, yeah it's normally safe
2083 [20:25:55] <NetTerminalGene> ok. i used it
2084 [20:26:15] <NetTerminalGene> i saved about 2gb
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2087 [20:31:45] <brutser> i really don't get it, in fstab i have /dev/mapper/vgroot-root / ext4 errors=remount-ro,noauto 0 1 ......... and in crypttab i have luks /dev/disk/by-id/xxxx luks,noauto ..... and still when i boot it shows "cryptsetup: Waiing for encrypted source device /dev/disk/by-id/xxx" - i even have detached header, only crypttab can know it is luks rootfs
2088 [20:31:46] <brutser> and i put in crypttab "noauto" :S also in qemu this prompt does not come during boot.. what other place can i need to look?? it's debian 10 minimal with only the luks setup, no other stuff installed
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2118 [20:58:59] <jim> hi, does debian still package low latency kernels? if so, what's the latest one for buster?
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2168 [21:31:47] <mmx_in_space> whislock: are you available?
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2171 [21:36:41] <karlpinc> brutser: Has the initramfs been rebuilt so that it sees the "new" crypttab? (Thinking out loud here.)
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2173 [21:37:33] <Eightynine> Is there multithreading and parallelism in any Linux project (I mean the core itself and other software)?
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2175 [21:38:37] <karlpinc> Eightynine: Of course.
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2177 [21:39:16] <Eightynine> And what about Gnome (the shell and apps)?
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2181 [21:41:11] <karlpinc> Are you asking about bash? I believe it is single threaded. Bash supports multiple concurrent processes. What are you really trying to ask?
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2184 [21:41:32] <telmich> good evening
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2186 [21:41:59] <telmich> I have a "funny" notebook and a "funny" situation: most linux distros failed to launch the installer, however the installer of debian 10 was loaded fine
2187 [21:42:02] <Eightynine> karlpinc No, I mean Gnome Shell.
2188 [21:42:17] <telmich> however when trying to boot after the installation, debian 10 also hangs during startup
2189 [21:42:30] <karlpinc> Eightynine: I don't know what that is.
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2194 [21:43:14] <karlpinc> telmich: Did you use the unofficial install images containing non-free firmware? (I always ask this because some hardware requires non-free firmware to work.)
2195 [21:43:29] <Eightynine> karlpinc I'm asking because when installing software from deb files my system is temporarily freezes until installation is complete.
2196 [21:43:31] <karlpinc> telmich: What does "hang" mean, and at what point during "startup".
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2202 [21:44:50] <karlpinc> Eightynine: Always or sometimes? (Sometimes some system services could get restarted, although I wouldn't think always.) What does "freezes" mean? Can you ssh in?
2203 [21:45:32] <karlpinc> !tell telmich about firmware images
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2207 [21:46:22] <Eightynine> I saw that only once or twice.
2208 [21:46:52] <Eightynine> Freezes - I mean stops responding.
2209 [21:46:54] <karlpinc> Eightynine: Try running 'vmstat 1' in a terminal while installing and see what it tells you about what resources are being used.
2210 [21:47:06] <karlpinc> Eightynine: So the mouse does not move?
2211 [21:47:21] <karlpinc> Eightynine: Music stops playing? Screen goes blank?
2212 [21:47:39] <karlpinc> Eightynine: Won't ping?
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2217 [21:51:04] <Eightynine> I don't remember exactly, I think it's correctly to say "slows down". What about "screen goes blank", I saw that when playing video in VLC. I couldn't return to OS for a couple of seconds.
2218 [21:52:04] <karlpinc> Eightynine: (In the FWIW catagory, you should be very careful of installing .deb packages that come from anywhere but Debian. And if you get your software from Debian you should not need to be installing .debs.)
2219 [21:52:31] <Eightynine> Thank you for your advice.
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2221 [21:52:43] <karlpinc> Eightynine: Maybe you're exceeding your disk IO bandwidth. No way to tell without looking.
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2223 [21:53:07] <karlpinc> !tell Eightynine about don't break debian
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2225 [21:53:56] <Eightynine> I think that package manager takes a lot of resources during installation, that's why the system slows down. I've noticed such behaviour when I used Fedora.
2226 [21:54:09] <telmich> karlpinc: I used the official one and the installer itself works fine
2227 [21:54:43] <telmich> karlpinc: After installing it hangs like this: replaced-url
2228 [21:54:48] <karlpinc> Eightynine: It's disk (and network) that's generally the limiting resource.
2229 [21:56:04] <karlpinc> telmich: The installer does something to get the firmware it needs -- although I don't know if that includes non-free firmware I'd guess that there's surely a need for that sometimes. But this is different from installing the firmware in the final install.
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2232 [21:56:58] <karlpinc> telmich: Those links tell me that they won't show with javascript.
2233 [21:57:02] <karlpinc> !tell telmich about paste
2234 [21:57:17] <telmich> karlpinc: they are two pictures of the boot process
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2236 [21:58:08] <Joit> Hello. Someone please tell me why it doesnt work to intall debian over an usb-stick, instead it searchs for a CD and want install from there, and ignore the usb-stick.
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2241 [21:58:56] <Joit> even its described on the net "how easy you can install it over usb-stick"
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2243 [21:59:15] <karlpinc> Joit: You probably need to do something during boot to tell bios (or whatever) to boot off of usb. Sometimes this is pressing f12 but it all depends on the hardware.
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2245 [21:59:50] <Joit> karlpinc: ty. but it starts allready from usb-stick, and start the installation. then this problem occcurs
2246 [21:59:59] <karlpinc> telmich: Can you put them on, say, replaced-url
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2248 [22:00:58] <karlpinc> Joit: How did you prepare the usb stick. Plenty of common methods recommened by random strangers on the internet result in bad outcomes.
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2250 [22:01:24] <telmich> karlpinc: uploading - takes a while, my connection is a bit slow
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2252 [22:02:10] <karlpinc> Joit: While you're at it, you may want unoffical images that install non-free firmware more easily.
2253 [22:02:16] <karlpinc> !tell Joit about firmware images
2254 [22:02:29] <telmich> XU1KD0 and 9uYwsF
2255 [22:02:39] <Joit> karlpinc: it is made as a usb-hdd, else it will not start from the bios. and that is another problem from all this linux "usb-installers" they burn a cd-iso to usb, but then a lot bios can not boot from the usb-stick
2256 [22:03:10] <telmich> replaced-url
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2258 [22:03:29] <karlpinc> telmich: Best is to use the netinstall image. (The bot should have sent you a suitable url.)
2259 [22:03:42] <jhutchins> Joit: That is a symptom of a bad "burn" to the USB stick, often caused by unetbootin. (It can also mean you used the wrong image, there is one that is meant to do exactly that.)
2260 [22:03:47] <karlpinc> Joit: The installation manual says to use dd, which is really eaisest if you have a linux install to work from.
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2262 [22:04:34] <telmich> karlpinc: I somewhat doubt that this is related to non-free firmware, but I'll give it a try tomorrow
2263 [22:04:50] <jhutchins> Joit: Another common mistake is writing to a partition on the USB drive, /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda
2264 [22:04:56] <karlpinc> telmich: Might not be.
2265 [22:05:09] <karlpinc> telmich: I'm getting 404s on those urls
2266 [22:05:16] <Joit> karlpinc: woulnd it be more easy, when this "Devs" would decide, not to rely on this stupid "cd-Detection-method" and just go on with the installation? i did dload the netinstall with about 300mb, and just for that burn a cd??
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2268 [22:05:23] <telmich> ha? I just copied them from my browser
2269 [22:05:23] <jhutchins> telmich: You could also be having EFI fun.
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2271 [22:05:41] <Joit> karlpinc: the usb stick is ok, there is nothing wrong t it
2272 [22:05:46] <telmich> jhutchins: I do have a *lot* of efi fun, but do you have a pointer what you refer to in particular?
2273 [22:06:06] <telmich> I also tried booting w/ acpi=off, however without any change
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2277 [22:07:19] <karlpinc> Joit: The netinstall is a full installer that installs debian.
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2279 [22:07:38] <Joit> karlpinc: i think it was w32imagewriter, and installed with that before manjaro, mx-linux, mint, ubuntu, xubunte, and anything worked, just now this installer routine break things
2280 [22:08:12] <jhutchins> Joit: That is not standard behavior for the normal installers, it is a user-induced error, not something the devs need to fix.
2281 [22:08:32] <jhutchins> nc> telmich: Can you put them on, say, replaced-url
2282 [22:08:46] <telmich> jhutchins: I did put them on there - see urls above
2283 [22:08:51] <Joit> jhutchins: eplain that, how can an user break it, when the you just click conitnue
2284 [22:08:53] <jhutchins> Please ignore that, I have pastebuffer issues.
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2286 [22:09:11] <Joit> jhutchins: sounds for me more like nonsense what you tell me
2287 [22:09:16] <jhutchins> Joit: By using the wrong image, a corrupt image, or by burning it to the disk badly.
2288 [22:09:54] <jhutchins> Joit: Believe me, we see people with this problem a lot, but it is certainly not normal behavior for a healthy install image.
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2291 [22:10:09] <Joit> i lload it from debian page, ...... i dont know, why you look for any other posibiliities, just not believe, that the installer is messed
2292 [22:10:24] <jhutchins> Joit: Make sure you got the right image, check it's checksum, and re-burn it with an appropriate utility.
2293 [22:10:30] <karlpinc> telmich: Dunno. can't see those urls.
2294 [22:10:41] <Joit> and i think i had the same problem already at an older debian, that it was not possible to intall it from usb becuase of the same error
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2296 [22:10:49] <jhutchins> Joit: Because we see it a lot here, and that's always what it is.
2297 [22:11:02] <karlpinc> Joit: You could try following the instructions, which say to use dd.
2298 [22:11:36] <jhutchins> karlpinc: Not if he's on Windows.
2299 [22:11:57] <Joit> well, until now, 5 other installations did work fine, now, suddenly, its the checksum, even its clear that the installer break, because he search through the cd, and can not find it
2300 [22:11:57] <karlpinc> jhutchins: Sure, but he claims to have a bunch of successful Linux installs.
2301 [22:12:14] <Joit> karlpinc: i may try it, and no, i am at mx right now
2302 [22:12:24] <jhutchins> karlpinc: Possibly, possibly not on his current hardware.
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2305 [22:12:35] <Joit> but its obvious, that the debian installer does not work from a usb stick
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2308 [22:12:52] <jhutchins> Joit: Yes, it does, for thousands of installations every day.
2309 [22:13:09] <jhutchins> Joit: Don't you think people would notice if it were a general problem?
2310 [22:13:28] <telmich> karlpinc: are the urls on file.io one time use? I used them before I copied them in here
2311 [22:13:34] <Joit> jhutchins: haha, lies, linux doesnt have 1000 installations when yu look at the stats from 2% linux users
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2313 [22:14:23] <Joit> jhutchins: well, i had exactly this error with an other machine and other bios, i can not figure, that i allways have the wrong bioses, vene its asus or gigybte boards
2314 [22:14:23] <karlpinc> telmich: Not that I know, but I don't know the service. (Does not make a whole lot of sense.) I even started up a browser with javascript and cookies, although in "private browsing" mode.
2315 [22:14:25] <jhutchins> Joit: You're not going to solve this unless you get it out of your head that there's something wrong with the Debian installer. It could be something about YOUR COPY of the installer, but the installer itself is fine.
2316 [22:15:10] <jhutchins> Joit: I am part of a team that manages over 1500 linux servers.
2317 [22:15:22] <Joit> karlpinc: the dd method works, when you dont choose graphical installation?
2318 [22:15:49] <karlpinc> Joit: The dd method works no matter whether you choose graphical or not.
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2320 [22:16:11] <Joit> karlpinc: good and bad, i am not familiar with the dd method
2321 [22:16:13] <telmich> checking again the files, it's very strange
2322 [22:16:28] <Joit> but problem also is, it dont even load the network from the usb stick
2323 [22:16:46] <Joit> and i bet, when i now install the same image t a cd the installation witll work
2324 [22:16:50] <karlpinc> !tell Joit about install guide
2325 [22:17:02] <telmich> I can take a screenshot of the upload of file.io and put it on file.io ... no, that is *really* strange
2326 [22:17:05] <telmich> uploading again
2327 [22:17:19] <jhutchins> Joit: It's pretty clear you have a bad image on the drive.
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2330 [22:17:42] <karlpinc> Joit: Or are using a method of writing to the usb stick that alters the image.
2331 [22:17:43] <Joit> jhutchins: in no way is that clear
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2333 [22:18:00] <jhutchins> Joit: It is to someone who used to build up to 200 linux systems per day.
2334 [22:18:14] <telmich> new urls: replaced-url
2335 [22:18:16] <Joit> i did with the same method install 5 others, dont tell me, "there is something wrong with the method"
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2338 [22:18:28] <karlpinc> Joit: Their images are not debian images.
2339 [22:18:39] <jhutchins> Heh. OK, good luck with that.
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2341 [22:19:09] <Joit> jhutchins: to bad, that you are not a part from the team, what make the installer, really
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2343 [22:19:13] <brob> hi
2344 [22:19:14] <karlpinc> Joit: What's safe to alter on other images may not be safe to alter on the debian image.
2345 [22:19:46] <telmich> hmm, I get 404s on those, too
2346 [22:19:50] <brob> can anyone give me an advice on how to get debian running on some kind of read only memory, embedded system with say EEPROM memory
2347 [22:20:09] <karlpinc> telmich: replaced-url
2348 [22:20:10] <brob> i.e. I would like to run debian as some kind of "firmware"
2349 [22:20:14] <telmich> even if I directly click the link after uploading
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2353 [22:21:20] <karlpinc> brob: That all depends on what you install onto. Debian is no different from any other OS. What is the issue?
2354 [22:21:22] <brob> 'sorry I guess I meant running debian on an "integrated device" something that doesnt mutate the debian
2355 [22:21:36] <brob> on restart of the device
2356 [22:21:54] <brob> so, e.g. running debian as an os in a router or multimedia device
2357 [22:22:26] <brob> I read the these devices are often linux based, but they keep the linux from mutating, i.e. as a fixed firmware,
2358 [22:22:30] <Joit> karlpinc: its all made at the same way, you just burn the iso on th stick, and its used the whole stick, and is bootable, like a cd
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2361 [22:23:40] <Joit> karlpinc: from your both links, i got the amd64 image, reading through the installation guide, but doesnt tell a lot there
2362 [22:23:51] <brob> karlpinc, Joit : Right, I can burn my iso onto the eeprom I guess, but Im not sure that is enough, doesnt it need to load the image into RAM with some tempfs or something so that the linux doesnt halt from not being aple to write to disk
2363 [22:23:53] <Joit> the one with 279mb
2364 [22:23:55] <karlpinc> Joit: Well, e.g., if you "just burn" with unetbootn it will put something different on the usb stick than what is in the download.
2365 [22:25:07] <Joit> karlpinc: yes, i am aware of that, i allways had problems with unetbootin thats why i looked for an direkt iso burner under windows. They make the usb stick to a hdd and malke it bootable
2366 [22:25:26] <brob> karlpinc, Joit: OK so I'll explain further, what I need is a linux that starts in the same initial state on every reboot of the system
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2368 [22:26:18] <brob> I.e. I will set up my debian with the required software and stuff and startup scripts... but after that I burn it to this integrated system, where this state of debian is fixed... no upgrades no nothing... even if disk gets full or something.... it will always recover on reboot
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2371 [22:27:03] <brob> Im not sure what this is called, Im guessing integrated system or something, or "firmware linux" or something
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2373 [22:27:51] <Joit> brob: wouldnt you then run into the problem, that the system you start is allways paralell that you have installed on your hdd?
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2376 [22:28:26] <Joit> usually linux allways start from the files from your installation, when you start an other version, you look at your other installation at the hdd
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2378 [22:30:18] <Joit> and eeprom, i dont know, if you want mess up with that, when you want use your bios eeprom, i dont know how much cycles are lefton that
2379 [22:30:33] <Joit> write cycles i mean
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2381 [22:31:13] <brob> Joit, sorry no not a regular pc with bios, this one has another eeprom memory that can be booted into a ramfs on this integrated device
2382 [22:31:15] <jhutchins> brob: It's possible to do that. Live CDs are essentially immutable, all changes are made in RAM. You can also set up a PXE system that boots from a central image.
2383 [22:31:17] <brob> maybe debian is not so suitable
2384 [22:31:38] <brob> I see there is "openwrt.org" which is a linux for integrated devices
2385 [22:31:44] <jhutchins> brob: It's not practical to install Debian on something like a dedicaed router.
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2387 [22:32:19] <jhutchins> brob: Yes, openwrt is intended for loading on router hardware, basically you use a tool similar to a BIOS update.
2388 [22:32:21] <brob> jhutchins, thanks, ok I see. yeah so I need to set up my own live iso version of debian
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2390 [22:32:51] <brob> jhutchins, ok so something like openwrt would be more practical and userfriendly for me
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2392 [22:33:20] <ectospasm> jhutchins: sure it is, that's what I've done. A full OS that can be managed properly.
2393 [22:33:25] <jhutchins> brob: You have to do some juggling, because Debian (most linux) expects to be able to write things like locks, proc files, and logs to the same filesystem it reads from.
2394 [22:33:43] <jhutchins> ectospasm: Very hardware dependent.
2395 [22:34:03] <ectospasm> But then again I *LOATHE* busybox, I need a real shell.
2396 [22:34:36] <ectospasm> jhutchins: I have an Intel NUC with two 1Gbps interfaces on it, with a 60G SSD, it's perfect for a homebrew router.
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2399 [22:35:14] <ectospasm> For a while I even used a mini-PCIe Atheros WiFi card with hostapd to act as an access point.
2400 [22:35:16] <jhutchins> ectospasm: Yeah, that would work fine as a fairly standard Debian system. I got my start building routers out of old XT boxes when people were upgrading to Pentiums.
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2402 [22:35:29] <brob> ectospasm, jhutchins ok, if I go with basic debian system, then yes I need take care of allowing the system to think that it can write and log stuff
2403 [22:35:33] <brob> with tmpfs
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2406 [22:36:36] <brob> jhutchins, ectospasm , I do prefer debian for my project only because I know it has stable packages, and complete python support
2407 [22:36:37] <jhutchins> brob: Again, pendrivelinux is a great resource for what you need to do and how to do it, as is the Debian Live resourcec.
2408 [22:36:40] <jhutchins> !live
2409 [22:36:40] <dpkg> i guess live is The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from replaced-url
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2412 [22:36:48] <Joit> wel, trying balenaetcher again
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2414 [22:37:45] <jhutchins> ... because why use the recommended tools.
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2418 [22:40:35] <BCMM> did somebody already link the recommended tool? replaced-url
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2420 [22:41:00] <Joit> jhutchins: are there and specific desktops except gnome what debian supports? some other
2421 [22:41:07] <BCMM> (that said, Etcher ought to be OK. it writes images unmodified, unlike certain windows software.)
2422 [22:41:13] <Joit> well.. have problems with kde seems
2423 [22:41:21] <free_speech> the live images of debian allow the creation of own live images?
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2425 [22:41:40] <Joit> BCMM: ty, i burned it right now, just scared to reboot now :p
2426 [22:41:44] <BCMM> Joit: the debian installer even has a menu where you can choose which desktop you want to install
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2428 [22:41:59] <Joit> BCMM: the netinstaller or any?
2429 [22:42:18] <free_speech> Joit, any
2430 [22:42:29] <Joit> i just looked the links from jhutchins and it has for all desktops an own image
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2432 [22:43:05] <Joit> well, thats good free_speech, ty
2433 [22:43:11] <brob> free_speech, I hope so, does it??
2434 [22:43:37] <brob> jhutchins, ectospasm ... I now found this resource: replaced-url
2435 [22:43:47] <Joit> doing 2 reboots now, 1st, to try again the netinstall, if it doesnt work, i get an live image
2436 [22:43:47] <BCMM> Joit: i think the installer options are gnome, xfce, kde, cinnamon, mate, lxde and lxqt
2437 [22:44:12] <free_speech> when it comes to debian itself, I'm pretty much outside ... my last machine running debian will switch to its derivative work "Devuan" during next week ...
2438 [22:44:20] <free_speech> @ brob
2439 [22:44:22] <Joit> BCMM: yeah, i look for something like that, KDE now for me is Kindergarden-DEsktop with her restrctions
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2441 [22:44:33] <BCMM> Joit: of course there are some other options that you can install manually following a minimal install, but those are the ones that have nice easy "tasks" that are designed to provide an out-of-the-box experience
2442 [22:44:34] <Joit> i will never ever use it again
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2444 [22:44:48] <BCMM> hmm, kde is usually seen as one of the least "restricted" DEs
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2446 [22:45:09] <brob> and this replaced-url
2447 [22:45:41] <Joit> BCMM: they locked root mode for dolphin and kate, because of one paranoid, but there are 100 other ways how you can avoide that, even, when you have a stron root password, no one can use it too
2448 [22:46:06] <Joit> but they just messed the whole thing up when you want fix something what they mess up during update or other things
2449 [22:46:17] <Joit> because of one paranoid dev
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2451 [22:46:51] <BCMM> i think they've got a thing in the next release (or a recent release?) where you can run the editor itself as a normal user, and have a helper application escalate to root just for reading/writing
2452 [22:47:12] <humpled> :v
2453 [22:47:28] <BCMM> it's not just paranoia, by the way - running an application as root on the same X server as an application running as the user *completely* breaks separate
2454 [22:47:51] <BCMM> X11 has zero meaningful isolation between different clients
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2456 [22:48:37] <Joit> BCMM: seriously i never did break my system because i did something there, its mostly, that things dont work like google earth, or need a bash script at the root partition
2457 [22:48:56] <Joit> and if, you can easy reinstall things, that was my experince
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2461 [22:49:47] <Joit> and i do not really see the reason that, how m graesslin statet on reddit "oooh never never let an user be root on a system"
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2465 [22:51:04] <BCMM> if you're suggesting it's about keeping the user away from root to prevent mistakes, you've got the wrong idea
2466 [22:51:17] <Joit> and well, somethimes i saw for testing purpose, if a system runs in root mode or not, last time it was with a 3d printer sftware, what only run at root mode, showed, that they messed further with the group rights, with xfce the problem does not happen and the software runs normal at user mode
2467 [22:51:26] <Joit> thats another thing they messed up with her paranoia
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2469 [22:51:45] <jhutchins> !emdebian
2470 [22:51:45] <dpkg> Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. replaced-url
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2473 [22:52:04] <Joit> i did not suggest it, it was m. graesslin, its former kde developer, but he s gone seeems
2474 [22:52:07] <jhutchins> Oh, that's too bad.
2475 [22:52:40] <BCMM> Joit: here's a Gnome developer's opinion on the same issue, by the way replaced-url
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2477 [22:53:44] <Joit> BCMM: yes i dont say, you should all time run it as root, better less as possible, but at last, you should have th epossibility, to see what is wrong
2478 [22:53:44] <brob> ubuntu makes this big claim: replaced-url
2479 [22:53:53] <brob> about being preferred for embedded systems
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2481 [22:54:43] <dob1> brob, embedded devices, but which target?
2482 [22:54:45] <BCMM> Joit: martin is still active in KDE; he just stepped down as the maintainer of kwin
2483 [22:54:58] <BCMM> (and also changed his last name)
2484 [22:55:17] <Joit> ah, fu, thats why its now so messed
2485 [22:55:42] <Joit> when i got time, i will again make a thread about KindergarDEn.desktop
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2487 [22:56:31] <Joit> well, another reason to never ever use kde again, and use a desktop what give some freedom
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2489 [22:57:07] <Joit> and yes, i did may mess up my system onve too, even before a long time, but that is how you learn it
2490 [22:57:28] <Joit> and not by sit on a broken system and just bother every day about the same problems
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2494 [22:58:08] <Joit> ie, google earth just does not run with the newer linux, no error no hint what it wrong, at last by me with an nvidia card
2495 [22:58:11] <jhutchins> brob: It looks like emdebian is well and truely dead, and nobody's forked or carried on in any way.
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2509 [23:05:09] <Joit> even i think it can not be such a big problem, that you make a routine, when an application runs at root mode, that it writes certain files not with root mode, when this is the problem of this gnome dev
2510 [23:05:35] <Joit> and the other things, how often ddi this now really cause a problem
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2520 [23:14:55] <Joit> well loaded now debian standardamd64iso and go for another try. see you later and ty for replies
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2554 [23:43:59] <duude__> Hello everyone.
2555 [23:44:40] <duude__> I have one question, my home directory is located on the same spot as my /. - On my SSD
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2557 [23:45:04] <duude__> I would like to create some kind of a link (I belive it's called symbolic?)
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2559 [23:45:20] <duude__> So that all files I create in /home/ directory are created on my HDD
2560 [23:45:24] <duude__> Is that possible?
2561 [23:45:49] <duude__> So the /home/ is on sdb3, I want the files to be created on sda2, but the home to remain on sdb3
2562 [23:45:50] <duude__> if that makes sense
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2567 [23:51:35] <tomreyn> duude__: you can set symlinks for single existing files, or for complete directories.
2568 [23:51:43] <at0m> duude__: as in "mv /home/duude__ /mntpoint/for/sdb3/ && ln -s /mntpoint/for/sdb3/duude__ /home/duude__" ?
2569 [23:52:12] <annadane> duuuuude.
2570 [23:52:19] <tomreyn> s/single/specific/
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2576 [23:54:07] <at0m> duude__: make sure to log out as that user, quit all its user processes, then do that as root. check for the created files' ownership before logging in again as that user.
2577 [23:54:21] <duude__> Understood
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2579 [23:55:35] <duude__> at0m: just to double check, because I'm a bit confused about symbolic links
2580 [23:55:50] <duude__> So "ln" makes links between files, and -s stands for symbolic
2581 [23:56:06] <at0m> duude__: or after logging out etc, as root "usermod --home /mntpoint/for/sdb3/duude__ duude__"
2582 [23:56:10] <duude__> Now, it connects target1 with target2
2583 [23:56:35] <duude__> as in, whatever is supposed to go to target2 gets written in target1 but is presented as if it is in target2?
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2587 [23:57:42] <at0m> did i reverse source and dest? i confuse them all the time. error or checking the result after trying usually explains
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