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14[00:04:42] <annadane> as in it's not directly upgradeable? i'm lost
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16[00:04:59] <debuser_> Hi. I have an Asus Transformer Book T100T, where Debian Buster supports almost all of the hardware fairly well. But thing is, backlight adjustment doesn't work properly, not even w/ Debian Testing packages - while it *does* work fine in Fedora. Is there any way to figure out what Fedora is doing fine that Debian is failing at?
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18[00:06:35] <kunningd> hello I've encountered a problem, I've added an external monitor via hdmi to my laptop, for some reason I cant seem to be able to set it up on the left
19[00:06:44] <kunningd> When I set it up on the left the laptop screen becomes the secondary screen
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24[00:08:34] <debuser_> also, to be clear, when I press the backlight adjustment keys, I do see GNOME responding properly, but the actual backlight stays at max brightness
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133[02:21:18] <gry> hi guy
134[02:21:48] <nvz> I ain't your guy, buddy
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137[02:22:04] <gry> it's a nick
138[02:22:22] <nvz> I aint your nick, guy..
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140[02:22:56] <guy> wow, this is titillating
141[02:23:03] <nvz> replaced-url
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143[02:28:45] <brabo> i ain't your guy, nvz
144[02:28:49] <brabo> ;)
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168[02:46:13] <nvz> brabo: I ain't your nvz, friend!
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174[02:54:57] <annadane> i'm not your friend, buddy!
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195[03:13:48] <joepublic> More like replaced-url
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236[03:50:42] <ectospasm> what's the difference between `linux-image-amd54` and `linux-image-cloud-amd54`? I guess the latter is optimized for cloud systems, but it s there more to it than that?
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238[03:51:39] <ectospasm> I just put `linux-image-cloud-amd64` on my VPS, mainly to see if it works better. Mostly for grins, but I honestly don't know if that was wise or not.
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240[03:53:35] <somiaj> You could look at the config file used in /boot/config-<version> to see if there are any configuration differences, might have to dig more deeply to see if there are any special patches
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243[03:59:05] <ectospasm> That sounds like a lot more effort than it's worth.
244[03:59:24] <ectospasm> Not to mention I haven't configured a kernel in over a decade.
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246[03:59:51] <somiaj> yea, the description doesn't say to much, "The Linux kernel 4.19 and modules for use on Amazon EC2, Google Compute Engine and Microsoft Azure cloud platforms."
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250[04:01:30] <ectospasm> Ahhh, that makes sense.
251[04:01:44] <somiaj> the changelog seems to suggest that there are some optimizations for the those platforms, like special drivers and some other things
252[04:01:47] <ectospasm> so maybe I don't want that on my VPS.
253[04:02:01] <ectospasm> I'll play around with it for a little while.
254[04:02:05] <somiaj> but I'm not seeing much in the docs about what it is, one would have to look at the config file for more differences
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256[04:02:38] <somiaj> but it looks most likey it is kernels for those three compute enviorments
257[04:02:43] <ectospasm> And I don't know enough about modern kernel configuration to know what I'm looking at.
258[04:02:56] <somiaj> so if you aren't using a vps on one of those, unsure if it helps or not.
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261[04:03:23] <ectospasm> It probably doesn't hurt, but again it might not be what I want.
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283[04:29:27] <laptop> hi is this graphics driver supported in debian 10 ati radeon x1300
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305[04:44:28] <laptop> hi can I create my own distro of debian
306[04:44:35] <laptop> I would like to call it debian megatron and make it semi rolling release
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362[05:46:03] <STR8UP> did a fresh install mx linux replaced-url
363[05:46:24] <dvs> !mxlinux
364[05:46:24] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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367[05:49:52] <treeshateorcs> so I've configured systemd-boot, what's the most correct way to keep the kernel's filename always the same? currently my debian.conf looks like this replaced-url
368[05:51:36] <treeshateorcs> fat32 partitions don't support symlinks
369[05:53:50] <SerajewelKS> treeshateorcs: i'd suggest having your config generated. next best thing to symlinks.
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372[05:55:10] <treeshateorcs> how do I generate a systemd-boot config?
373[05:56:12] <treeshateorcs> ddg reveals surprisingly little information on debian + systemd-boot
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375[05:58:04] <SerajewelKS> you could do it rather simply with a shell script
376[05:58:19] <SerajewelKS> the trick is to figure out which is the most recent kernel image
377[05:58:31] <SerajewelKS> if you can do that, generation of the file is rather easy
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380[06:00:02] <SerajewelKS> you could also hook into the kernel's postinstall/postrm process (in /etc/kernel)
381[06:00:04] <treeshateorcs> there must be a hook
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383[06:00:07] <treeshateorcs> yyeah
384[06:00:19] <SerajewelKS> basically systemd-boot doesn't seem to have a "proper" config generation tool yet
385[06:00:32] <SerajewelKS> here's someone who made some scripts for that other distro replaced-url
386[06:00:46] <SerajewelKS> they may or may not work on debian, but the basic process he uses to hook will work fine
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388[06:01:22] <SerajewelKS> hopefully that gives you a good starting point
389[06:02:12] <treeshateorcs> thank you! i couldn't find that page
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391[06:03:29] <SerajewelKS> np. and good luck
392[06:03:33] <SerajewelKS> i'm off to bed
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455[06:55:06] <amosbird> is it possible to apt update only one repo?
456[06:56:43] <awal1> append # at the beginning of the line that you won't call
457[06:57:00] <awal1> but why you want that?
458[06:57:41] <amosbird> awal1: it's for update a local repo
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460[06:57:48] <awal1> you "may" get troubles depending on what will be upgraded and which branch
461[06:57:57] <awal1> ok
462[06:58:11] <awal1> i'm not familiar with local repos, sorry ;)
463[06:58:14] <amosbird> ok
464[06:58:35] <awal1> anyway, for disable somethig just put # at the beginning of the line
465[06:59:00] <awal1> what that will implies, I don't /can't know
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486[07:09:59] <amosbird> I see
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488[07:11:28] <amosbird> awal1: can I just disable a source list
489[07:11:37] <amosbird> or enable a certain source list only?
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496[07:14:02] <awal1> append @ at the beginnng of a source line means edit /etc/apt/sources.list and put # at the beginning of the source (the repository) you want to disable
497[07:14:29] <amosbird> that means modifying the source list file
498[07:14:39] <amosbird> I'd like to have a cmd solution
499[07:14:51] <awal1> yes. but local repos i'm clueless
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501[07:15:16] <awal1> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
502[07:15:23] <awal1> as root
503[07:16:17] <amosbird> I don't want to modify files
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506[07:22:02] <awal1> amosbird, check man apt_preferences
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508[07:23:19] <awal1> verify if using taget option does what you want amosbird
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510[07:23:36] <awal1> target
511[07:23:55] <awal1> -t, --target-release, --default-release
512[07:23:59] <awal1> not sure
513[07:25:12] <awal1> i think the pinning is what you need
514[07:25:18] <awal1> man apt_preferences
515[07:26:26] <amosbird> awal1: hmm
516[07:26:36] <amosbird> that looks like I still need to modify some file
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519[07:31:25] <awal1> why you dont want to edit?
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524[07:34:00] <amosbird> it's for temporary disabling, and every command is in a script, and using sed to manipulate/toggle a conf file is unsafe
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560[08:15:37] <MoRpHyEyS> morning guys!
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585[08:29:16] <melpy> is there a package to cure my crippling loneliness c:
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596[08:33:12] <Haohmaru> melpy win10, and teh NSA will always be with you
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646[09:02:59] <bernyrd> depends Haohmaru
647[09:03:05] <bernyrd> if you are in US you get a friendly FBI agent
648[09:03:12] <bernyrd> unless you are a terrorist in US
649[09:03:39] <Haohmaru> then you get a SWAT team party? ;P~
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652[09:04:05] <Haohmaru> or an innocent drone landing on your head
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682[09:25:18] <campitor> hello there everyone
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685[09:26:03] <fiet> \o
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687[09:26:19] <campitor> My connection from my remote machine to my ash server gets disconnected a lot, I remember there was an application that would keep the ash session alive so that after I get my connection back I could reconnect to it
688[09:26:31] <campitor> I only don't remember the name of the command
689[09:26:38] <Habbie> campitor, 'ash server'?
690[09:26:44] <Habbie> campitor, what's an ash server?
691[09:26:45] <fiet> You mean ssh?
692[09:26:51] <fiet> With keepalive enabled?
693[09:26:54] <campitor> no I remember ssh
694[09:27:09] <campitor> keep alive works only when your dsl line is not dropped
695[09:27:19] <campitor> this is totally different from keepalive
696[09:27:25] <fiet> Ah, you mean reconnect then
697[09:27:29] <fiet> Also ssh
698[09:27:30] <campitor> yes
699[09:27:44] <campitor> with the previous ssh session being kept alive
700[09:27:57] <swivel> are you thinking about the autossh package?
701[09:28:26] <campitor> no
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704[09:30:09] <gidna> hello
705[09:30:21] <fiet> Are you looking to reconnect or to resume a session?
706[09:30:32] <fiet> I mean, the latter can be accomplished by screen or tmux
707[09:31:14] <fiet> If you want to reconnect a broken session, autossh is what comes to mind, line swivel said
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710[09:31:33] <campitor> to reconnect as the session remains active on the server
711[09:31:38] <dokma> So feh a.jpg b.jpg is not the way to go?
712[09:32:12] <fiet> campitor: Ah, you want to reconnect to a running session. Then screen/tmux is what you're looking for.
713[09:32:14] <dokma> How do I open just a few images with feh all listed as arguments on the command line?
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715[09:32:27] <dokma> feh [options] [files | directories | URLs ...]
716[09:32:38] <dokma> You would think it would accept 'feh a.jpg b.jpg'
717[09:32:49] <melpy> well that command worked for me
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719[09:33:00] <dokma> How did it open?
720[09:33:09] <dokma> For me it just opens the first one on Debian stable.
721[09:33:18] <melpy> oh you want several instances
722[09:33:31] <dokma> No. Just one window where arrows allow to browse.
723[09:33:46] <dokma> Is that what you got?
724[09:33:48] <gidna> for what reason If I do su and not su -l I don't have access to /bin /sbin.. How can the su not have access to the most important system utilities?
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726[09:34:07] <melpy> feh a.jpg b.jpg opens two images in one pane which I can navigate with the arrow keys
727[09:34:17] <dokma> gidna: how do you 'not have access'
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730[09:34:36] <dokma> melpy: dang... I just get one window with the first image only
731[09:34:50] <gidna> dokma, only with su -l
732[09:34:54] <ratrace> gidna: because of how it inherits the PATH
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734[09:35:09] <dokma> gidna: what does "don't have access" means?
735[09:35:36] <dokma> melpy: I just get one window with feh [1 of 1] in the title bar
736[09:35:38] <gidna> dokma, in the su user path there's no /bin /sbin
737[09:35:50] <ratrace> gidna: replaced-url
738[09:35:51] <dokma> melpy: what does your title bar say in feh?
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740[09:36:00] <dokma> gidna: then you don't inherit the PATH
741[09:36:06] <melpy> 1 of 2
742[09:36:20] <dokma> well... that's a major bummer
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746[09:37:19] <gidna> what's buster? I user 10.1
747[09:37:41] <ratrace> gidna: debian 10.x is buster. read the first bullet (and sub-bullets) of "Changes" section
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751[09:37:55] <BCMM> !buster
752[09:37:57] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
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754[09:38:13] <ratrace> gidna: infact, read all of it so you don't have any more surprises there :)
755[09:38:18] <dokma> melpy: figured it out... I have feh redirected to /usr/local/bin/feh which was a script that added an action to print the file
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757[09:38:31] <melpy> lol
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760[09:39:22] <dokma> melpy: now why would that disable viewing multiple files?
761[09:39:26] <humpled> i thought it was spelled dachshund
762[09:39:27] <dokma> let's find out
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765[09:40:05] <dokma> probably because I passed only the first argument of the script :D :D
766[09:40:06] <swivel> humpled: dict/wordnet agrees
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768[09:41:03] <humpled> asking the questions that matter :þ
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778[09:45:55] <gidna> ratrace, so this silly behaviour is a new feature?
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839[10:22:54] <ratrace> uhm found some rather nasty .... NSFW factoids.... in dpkg's database, lol.
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844[10:24:32] <jelly> ratrace: things were less PC in the olden times
845[10:24:49] <ratrace> how come they're not removed though?
846[10:25:14] <jelly> no one did it?
847[10:25:23] <ratrace> I mean there was a rather hypocritical drama over the weboob package, but not this :)
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876[11:00:55] <fireba11> we boob?
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880[11:05:33] <ratrace> web oob
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884[11:09:13] <bewantbe> Anyone know where to find the package: linux-image-amd64-dbgsym ?
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886[11:10:46] <BCMM> bewantbe: are you using debian or ubuntu?
887[11:11:01] <bewantbe> debian stretch
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889[11:12:24] <bewantbe> actually I'm trying to use stap (SystemTap), but it complains about missing that package.
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892[11:12:55] <ratrace> !info linux-image-amd64-dbg
893[11:13:27] <ratrace> !info linux-image-4.9.0-11-amd64-dbg
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895[11:13:36] <bewantbe> after install the -dbg package, stap still do not work (Am I need a reboot?)
896[11:13:40] <ratrace> eh wth dpkg
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898[11:14:30] <ratrace> bewantbe: maybe
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901[11:15:48] <bewantbe> hum... let me try reboot
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905[11:17:29] <BCMM> bewantbe: have you read replaced-url
906[11:17:47] <BCMM> it suggests the following command `apt install systemtap linux-image-$(uname -r)-dbg`
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908[11:17:56] <bewantbe> Not yet, just notice it, thx
909[11:17:59] <BCMM> (using the debian name for kernel debug symbols, not the ubuntu one)
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911[11:18:12] <BCMM> how did you install systemtap, by the way? through apt, or some other way?
912[11:18:28] <bewantbe> through apt
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925[11:29:48] <Arkalon76> ls
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934[11:39:27] <jomofcw> Hello !
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937[11:40:04] <jomofcw> Is it possible to mount a USB flash disk that use the exfat format ? It answer that exfat is unknown :/...
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939[11:42:35] <jim> see if fat32 works, or vfat
940[11:42:41] <humpled> what is a usb flash disk?
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942[11:43:02] <jomofcw> Hello humpled and jim ^^ !
943[11:43:09] <jim> hi
944[11:43:16] <jomofcw> jim I already have data on it and I may not move it :/.
945[11:43:27] <Raven737> Hi, question, can I make a network/interfaces configuration that makes any interface use dhcp (without specifying the name?). I have a copy of debian installed on portable hdd and I want to be able to boot from different hardware without having to change the network configuration (but I also don't want to use networkmanager x)
946[11:43:40] <jomofcw> humpled if the question is serious : replaced-url
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948[11:44:19] <jim> I'm saying it might work to -mount- it as type vfat (or maybe type fat32)
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951[11:44:55] <Mathisen> or install exfat-fuse and exfat-utils
952[11:45:00] <Mathisen> ,info exfat-fuse
953[11:45:01] <judd> Package exfat-fuse (otherosfs, optional) in buster/amd64: read and write exFAT driver for FUSE. Version: 1.3.0-1; Size: 28.7k; Installed: 72k; Homepage: replaced-url
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963[11:51:58] <jomofcw> jim doesn't work :/ get it working using some additionnal package. Thanks for your help !
964[11:52:13] <jomofcw> Thanks Mathisen :).
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973[11:57:57] <bewantbe> systemtap is (partially) running now, seems the linux-header was what I need.
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981[12:00:13] <n_1-c_k> firefox will no longer open a pdf in evince, but will in gv. How to fix?
982[12:00:42] <free_speech> doesn't firefox open a PDF in pdf.js ?
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987[12:02:00] <n_1-c_k> free_speech, according to 'locate', no such file.
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1003[12:06:58] <n_1-c_k> In case it means something to someone, replaced-url
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1008[12:09:29] <Metamorphosis> Hello. How can I find out if my computer is infected with any kind of virus or malicious browser script? I keep seeing pop ups about dating websites and coupons.
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1018[12:14:04] <Raven737> Sorry, accidentally closed my chat :(
1019[12:14:15] <Raven737> Thanks for the help!
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1022[12:16:58] <free_speech> n_1-c_k, this is what happens when I open a PDF in firefox : replaced-url
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1024[12:17:13] <free_speech> gv is not installed
1025[12:18:08] <n0fac3> hello
1026[12:18:36] <n0fac3> help me please
1027[12:18:48] <ayekat> state your problem, please
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1029[12:20:15] <n0fac3> would like to remove bass audio is possible?
1030[12:20:30] <humpled> when i try to open a pdf firefox just offers to download it, even if it's already local :þ
1031[12:21:04] <Haohmaru> maybe u're blocking javascript or something that is required for the built-in pdf viewer?
1032[12:21:18] <Haohmaru> n0a110w you want to remove the low frequencies of some audio?
1033[12:21:30] <ayekat> n0fac3: "bass audio"? do you want to remove software that is called 'bass', or do you want to reduce the amount of low-frequency signals in some audio stream
1034[12:21:30] <Haohmaru> oops, i meant n0fac3
1035[12:21:32] <n_1-c_k> free_speech, that's the firefox 'preview' built-in viewer.
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1037[12:22:06] <n0fac3> yes
1038[12:22:16] <free_speech> no that's not a preview built-in viewer - I can scroll through the complete PDF file and even copy and paste text
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1040[12:23:24] <n0fac3> I want to reduce the bass sound
1041[12:23:26] <ratrace> that's pdf.js, yes
1042[12:23:38] <Haohmaru> n0fac3 what's the problem then?
1043[12:24:04] <ratrace> n0fac3: try pulseaudio-equalizer
1044[12:24:08] <ratrace> !info pulseaudio-equalizer
1045[12:24:10] <dpkg> pulseaudio-equalizer: (Equalizer sink module for PulseAudio sound server), section sound, is optional. Version: 13.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 156 kB
1046[12:24:50] <Haohmaru> pulseaudio was from the same guy who did systemd, right?
1047[12:25:25] <free_speech> sad to say that, but you're right, Haohmaru
1048[12:25:38] <Haohmaru> aww
1049[12:26:38] <ratrace> so?
1050[12:26:57] <Haohmaru> nothing ;P~
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1052[12:27:22] <n0fac3> ratrace how to install it? sorry little use debian
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1054[12:27:45] <humpled> vlc has its own equalizer
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1056[12:28:10] <Haohmaru> i don't know if he wants to adjust the sound he hears or he wants to process some files only
1057[12:28:34] <ratrace> n0fac3: replaced-url
1058[12:28:40] <humpled> we don't if he is in a desktop environment
1059[12:28:45] <humpled> don't know*
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1063[12:29:06] <ratrace> n0fac3: and indeed, perhaps clarify how exactly you want to "reduce the bass sound".
1064[12:29:49] <Haohmaru> people usually turn the bass up ;P~
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1066[12:30:52] <Haohmaru> <ExtremeBassTest_(bassboosted_version).flac>
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1068[12:31:14] <ratrace> what's that, 100dB cutoff filter at >120Hz? :)))
1069[12:31:14] <n0fac3> I have a broken chest xD
1070[12:31:47] <ratrace> and no face
1071[12:32:15] <Haohmaru> twin face had two and that ain't got him nowhere
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1073[12:32:54] <Haohmaru> or was it twoface?
1074[12:33:15] <ratrace> Cut Hands Has the Solution, though
1075[12:33:49] * Haohmaru scratches head
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1082[12:38:56] <Zabot__> I'm having massive issues with graphics drivers on debian 9. I've got an xps 15 with both intel and nvidia graphics. I've installed xorg-xserver-video-intel and noveau. xrand --listproviders reports 0 providers and glxinfo crashes with error extension glx missing on display :0
1083[12:39:34] <n0fac3> ratrace installed now how can I open it?
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1085[12:40:58] <Haohmaru> Zabot__ i think there was a very similar question recently, but with debian10.. the solution was.. something i've not used myself, it was documented on archlinux wiki
1086[12:41:05] <Haohmaru> if i'm right
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1092[12:43:22] <Zabot__> Prime and bumblebee are the two pages of some interest I've found so far
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1095[12:43:41] <n0fac3> There was an error connecting to pulseaudio, please make sure you have the pulseaudio dbus module loaded, exiting...
1096[12:45:11] <Zabot__> Interesting xrandr doesn't list any interface names. It just shows a single interface called default with a single supported resolution
1097[12:45:28] <Zabot__> Which makes me think some kind of fallback driver is being used
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1104[12:46:47] <aypea[3]> hi. i appear to be having problems recieving files from my phone to my pc. obexd is giving the following errors: open(/full-correct-path-to-file): Operation not permitted (1) / PUT(0x2), Forbidden(0x43) . an empty file gets created but then it times out. using buster.
1105[12:46:51] <Zabot__> Could I somehow have the x driver without having the kernel driver?
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1108[12:47:30] <BCMM> Zabot__: that is entirely possible, yes. but it doesn't seem likely if you're using the current debian version of both
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1111[12:48:07] <n0fac3> how can I do?
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1113[12:48:15] <BCMM> Zabot__: what *is* very likely, on debian, is having the kernel driver, but not having the firmware required by that kernel driver
1114[12:48:51] <BCMM> Zabot__: usually, the driver will complain in dmesg if it can't find firmware
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1117[12:51:50] <Zabot__> The hardware is using the i915 and nvidia kernel module respectively. I don't see any activity from either in dmesg. i915 is mentioned by snd_hda_intel about audio over hdmi, but that doesn't look related
1118[12:52:04] <ratrace> n0fac3: which desktop environment is that? and also, can you say how exactly you want to "reduce bass sound"? on general audio output? on specific file? played by specific program?
1119[12:52:10] <dka> I have lost my root password, but I have a user with sudo access, how can I reset my root password?
1120[12:52:21] <ratrace> dka: sudo -i passwd
1121[12:54:19] <aypea[3]> zabot: you've a laptop with nvidia and intel chips?
1122[12:54:39] <Zabot__> aypea[3]: Yeah
1123[12:54:49] <dka> ratrace, what about `sudo passwd root` ?
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1127[12:56:09] <aypea[3]> zabot: me too. what are you trying to achieve?
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1129[12:56:42] <ratrace> dka: you can do that too, but better do full login with -i and username is redundant
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1131[12:56:58] <Zabot__> The HDMI output doesn't work, and I can't run glxinfo or anything that requires glx
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1133[12:57:25] <Zabot__> Or change the resolution
1134[12:58:12] <aypea[3]> zabot: odd. not that I've tried this stuff. lemme try on mine.
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1139[13:00:00] <n0fac3> ratrace i use Linux 9.8 (Helium), I would like to reduce bass in the system in general
1140[13:00:33] <Haohmaru> wait, n0fac3 are you not using debian?
1141[13:01:27] <n0fac3> yes it is debian
1142[13:02:00] <Haohmaru> then try what ratrace suggested
1143[13:02:02] <ratrace> Which debian? "Linux 9.8 (Helium)" is not Debian
1144[13:02:20] <Haohmaru> hm >:/
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1146[13:02:27] <Zabot__> n0fac3: Can you just install libasound2-plugin-equal?
1147[13:03:06] <ratrace> It'd be great if n0fac3 would answer the basic questions posed several times now, how and where exactly they want to reduce bass.
1148[13:03:06] <aypea[3]> zabot: it could be that the hdmi port is hardwired to the nvidia chipset
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1150[13:03:18] <n0fac3> The project has released BunsenLabs Linux Helium, which is based on Debian 9
1151[13:03:18] <humpled> i had to edit /etc/pulse/default.pa to get pulseaudio-equalizer to work
1152[13:03:23] <n0fac3> o.o
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1154[13:03:39] <ratrace> n0fac3: sorry, that's not debian, and we can't know what changes bunsenlabs did. you'll have to ask them
1155[13:03:40] <Haohmaru> n0fac3 yeah, but it's not "Debian"
1156[13:04:08] <Haohmaru> a thousand distributions are "based on debian" on paper..
1157[13:04:10] <humpled> see replaced-url
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1159[13:04:51] <Zabot__> So thats what I was thinking, but on my daily driver boot on the same laptop with archlinux and the open source drivers I have the nvidia gpu disable completely and I can drive hdmi without any issues
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1163[13:05:43] <humpled> actually not sure it even works then
1164[13:05:50] <n0fac3> sorry I didn't know
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1171[13:09:18] <n0fac3> bye
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1173[13:09:28] <humpled> also had to change the target in pavucontrol n0nada
1174[13:09:34] <humpled> heck
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1180[13:11:24] <humpled> the ubuntu advice worked, even though it's not debian, pretty sure it would have worked for bunsen too
1181[13:11:40] <grobi> sorry for loosing connection, did somone answer?
1182[13:11:49] <ratrace> humpled: nevertheless
1183[13:12:10] <Zabot__> This install was built up from debootstrap minimal, so its possible I'm missing something
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1186[13:13:08] <ratrace> grobi: to what, something asked aeons ago?
1187[13:13:42] <grobi> 12:53:08 grobi | hello :) , sometimes when my system (debian buster) shut down i see something like:
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1189[13:14:10] <grobi> | 'failed unmounting /var' and/or 'failed unmounting /tmp'
1190[13:14:28] <grobi> it is an encrypted lvm
1191[13:14:37] <grobi> can / should i do anything about it?
1192[13:14:52] <ratrace> probably layering race condition, I wouldn't worry
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1195[13:15:39] <grobi> ..and could this be the cause of my cpu_nagging after system awakes from sleeping (~ 25% steady) ?
1196[13:16:05] <ratrace> cause of what?
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1199[13:17:03] <grobi> after wake_up my cpu is on r.ab. 25% and stays there
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1201[13:17:16] <grobi> so i'm forced to reboot
1202[13:18:36] <grobi> when i shutdown then it takes long' ***a stop job is running for user'
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1209[13:23:59] <ratrace> grobi: what is "on r.ab. 25% and stays there"
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1211[13:24:34] <grobi> sorry short cut for round about
1212[13:25:09] <ratrace> I still have no idea what you're talking about
1213[13:25:11] <grobi> the cpu is on 25% and don't come low no more
1214[13:25:19] <humpled> that's a new one on me
1215[13:25:28] <ratrace> grobi: did you check with top to see which processes might cause it?
1216[13:25:46] <grobi> do right now
1217[13:26:05] <grobi> so see you back soon
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1223[13:30:32] <riezaizu> If I have a 192MiB boot partition, and the kernel and initrd files take up 60MiB and the grub folder takes up 10MiB, why is there only 96MiB free?
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1225[13:31:39] <EdePopede> riezaizu: reserved space (per default 5%)
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1227[13:32:08] <riezaizu> Ok, is there any reason to keep reserved space on a boot partition ?
1228[13:32:17] <ratrace> also, 192MB seems rather too tight. should consider kernel updates which require 2x kernel space
1229[13:32:27] <EdePopede> no idea in what file to look for it, but midnight commander run as root includes it in its disk usage info
1230[13:32:51] <riezaizu> ratrace, yeah I had a problem with space when updating kernel earlier
1231[13:33:21] <EdePopede> i see no reason to think im MB instead of GB nowadays
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1235[13:34:13] <EdePopede> riezaizu: just for the case, fs corruption, something may become unreadable, file fragments go to lost+found
1236[13:34:29] <riezaizu> Is it reasonable to remove the reserved space if there isn't really many writes going to /boot?
1237[13:35:03] <EdePopede> you could make it smaller, i woudn't remove it completely. on my 4TB i went from 5% to 1%, still more than enough
1238[13:35:22] <grobi> ratrace: this time it has been all o.k.
1239[13:36:11] <grobi> but i'll keep an 'top-eye' on it :)
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1241[13:36:53] <EdePopede> grobi: slow swap disk? when firefox starts doing things here, hell breaks loose
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1245[13:41:47] <aypea[3]> hey. i appear to be having problems recieving files from my phone to my pc. obexd is giving the following errors: open(/full-correct-path-to-file): Operation not permitted (1) / PUT(0x2), Forbidden(0x43) . an empty file gets created but then it times out. using buster.
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1263[13:54:25] <grobi> EdePopede: yes maybe firefox, my favourite suspected either .. i'll keep an eye on that
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1271[13:57:50] <EdePopede> grobi: just had this before. opened a 2nd instance, did a bit of stuff, switched desktops, all was fine. went back to firefox, which then couldn't repaint its UI. lot of swapping, when it was finished it used 10% less RAM. and i had another reconnect. the system did not even have enough ressources anymore to answer to the pings...
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1275[13:58:39] <EdePopede> btw, i like htop to watch at such things. especially the CPU% bars at the top.
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1307[14:17:20] <_2E0LNX> Hi all, I'm having some issues with the curl that's part of Debian 10, if I make an https request to an IIS (in my case it's 2012 server) server, I get "OpenSSL SSL_connect: SSL_ERROR_SYSCALL in connection to default.site:443" but if I use the same curl command on a CentOS box, it works... Is there anything specific I can do to chase this down?
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1319[14:23:31] <Habbie> _2E0LNX, curl -v
1320[14:23:41] <_2E0LNX> I kinda feel like it's not rolling back in the TLS version, even if I set "--max-tls 1.1" curl reports it's trying 1.3...
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1325[14:25:21] <_2E0LNX> sorry... '--tls-max 1.1'
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1330[14:29:09] <_2E0LNX> replaced-url
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1335[14:33:36] <Akuw> how can i open JPEG data precision 12 ? i got error message when try to open with Gimp
1336[14:33:42] <Akuw> Unsupported JPEG data precision 12
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1340[14:34:55] <ratrace> Akuw: GIMP 2.10 in buster?
1341[14:35:31] <Akuw> is GIMP 2.10.8
1342[14:35:33] <Akuw> buster
1343[14:36:07] <Habbie> _2E0LNX, how about openssl s_client -connect default.site:443
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1345[14:36:47] <ratrace> Akuw: I guess you could try convert it to 8-bit JPEG with imagemagick
1346[14:37:21] <Akuw> but cant open in precision 12 ?
1347[14:37:29] <Akuw> i dont want to convert
1348[14:38:10] <_2E0LNX> Habbie: replaced-url
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1350[14:38:25] <Habbie> New, (NONE), Cipher is (NONE)
1351[14:38:27] <Habbie> that does not look good
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1353[14:38:46] <Habbie> but i'm not 100% sure what it means
1354[14:38:53] <ratrace> Akuw: see item [21] here replaced-url
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1356[14:39:14] <_2E0LNX> Habbie: wget works, chrome works, other machines using curl (older and newer versions) work
1357[14:39:44] <Habbie> wget works? surprising
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1360[14:39:50] <_2E0LNX> Habbie: TMAI
1361[14:40:05] <_2E0LNX> Usually wget is the one that doesn't work, which is why I tend to use curl
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1363[14:40:13] <Habbie> hehe
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1373[14:44:01] <_2E0LNX> I guess I've found some kind of buglet...?
1374[14:44:55] <Habbie> maybe
1375[14:45:03] <Habbie> some wiresharking would help figure out what's happening
1376[14:47:07] <ratrace> just don't cut yourself and get eaten
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1429[15:25:29] <Ojd_> Hello, I am trying to make a customized version of Debian using replaced-url
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1432[15:25:58] <Ojd_> any other article/document that you can recommend?
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1442[15:34:08] <erif> Does debian support IP= in initramfs.conf? i do not see it listed on this page: replaced-url
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1445[15:34:30] <erif> it does not seem to take effect, nor does setting ip= in the boot
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1461[15:45:03] <ratrace> erif: it does, you just need to format it properly, like this replaced-url
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1474[15:52:43] <ratrace> erif: actually, this is better documentation, as IP= is used by ipconfig: replaced-url
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1499[16:06:41] <edumass> Hello, I used arch, now I'm installing debian, I want to keep a minimal install. In arch if I install xorg-server I get a few packages, now with "apt install xserver-xorg" and wants to install video amd, nvidia, intel, ati, noveau, etc.. input wacom..
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1501[16:07:00] <Habbie> edumass, yes - don't install xserver-xorg, install just its dependencies that you want
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1504[16:07:50] <greycat> or, *do* install xorg (or xserver-xorg if you really insist), waste a tiny bit of disk space on drivers you don't currently need, and get back many irreplaceable hours of your life
1505[16:07:51] <edumass> which is the name of the package to install X ? I want X with i3
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1507[16:08:46] <greycat> "xorg" and "i3" should do it
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1511[16:09:44] <ratrace> or just install i3-wm, it should pull in the rest
1512[16:10:07] <ratrace> you'll also need a DM, don't forget that. LightDM works fine with i3.
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1515[16:10:37] <greycat> you absolutely DO NOT NEED a dm
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1517[16:10:48] <greycat> most people who install "minimal" things just use startx
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1520[16:11:02] <jelly> fsvo most
1521[16:11:03] <erif> i recommend not using a DM, and using startx for security.
1522[16:11:19] <ratrace> eh, that does the opposite of secure
1523[16:11:23] <Habbie> erif, joke?
1524[16:11:29] <ratrace> you need your user in audio,video,input groups
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1526[16:11:47] <greycat> ratrace: systemd-login takes care of all that crap
1527[16:11:56] <ratrace> with a proper DM, systemd/logind will do the permissions properly for the session, without making all the processes run under you, access raw keyboard events
1528[16:12:02] <jelly> greycat: but does that activate on startx?
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1530[16:12:06] <ratrace> it doesn't afaik
1531[16:12:18] <greycat> It activates on login. Which is at the console. Your seat is inherited from there.
1532[16:12:19] <ratrace> you need to fiddle with perms on /dev/...
1533[16:12:20] <edumass> May be I did a mistake all the time and I never know it, I used to install xserver-xorg xinit-xorg and i3, and run startx
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1537[16:12:25] <jelly> that makes sense
1538[16:12:30] <greycat> No, you DO NOT NEED TO FIDDLE WITH SHIT.
1539[16:12:32] <greycat> Stop spreading lies.
1540[16:12:52] <greycat> startx JUST WORKS. It's the normal thing that thousands of Debian users use ALL THE TIME and have done for YEARS.
1541[16:12:57] <dka> Hi, I want to ldap search users within two part of the tree, This is what I have tried as `ldap.user.request` but it return no result at all: `(&|(ou:o:=group1)(ou:o:=group2))((objectClass=inetOrgPerson)(uid=me))`, my users are in `ou=users,o=group1,dc=myldapprivate,dc=com` and `ou=users,o=group2,dc=myldapprivate,dc=com`, any idea how I could format the search ?
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1543[16:13:26] <greycat> edumass: no, that was not a mistake.
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1545[16:14:18] <erif> Habbie perhaps my information was a little outdated, but my understanding was that for several reasons using startx was more secure than a DM. I will find the reference.
1546[16:15:33] <greycat> Before systemd, startx was slightly "less secure" because it launched X in a different tty than startx (e.g. you logged in on tty1 and X ran on tty7). An attacker with physical acccess to the machine could Ctrl-Alt-F1 and take control of your tty1 session even if you xlock'ed the X session. But with stretch's changes, X runs in tty1 now.
1547[16:15:34] <erif> as far as my question is concerned, this seems to be ineffectual: ip=xxx.1.xxx.123::xxx.1.xxx.1:255.255.254.0::enp1s0:off
1548[16:15:36] <Habbie> erif, a big problem with startx is that it leaves a logged in terminal behind
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1550[16:15:48] <greycat> And of course an attacker with physical access can do a lot more damage anyway.
1551[16:15:54] <Habbie> erif, oh, please read what greycat just said, i could be behind the times
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1555[16:16:46] <erif> Habbie TMOUT=100
1556[16:16:54] <Habbie> erif, startx & then?
1557[16:17:02] <greycat> Habbie: not needed since stretch.
1558[16:17:04] <Habbie> or 'exec startx' :)
1559[16:17:15] <Habbie> greycat, i guess my 'exec sudo systemctl start gdm' doesn't need exec either then
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1561[16:17:38] <ratrace> erif: iirc I had issues if I dropped the hostname field.
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1564[16:19:29] <erif> Habbie exec is so it doesn't get pushed to a bg process
1565[16:19:59] <greycat> I tried to write an "x" function that would startx safely back in the old days. I no longer have it on this machine, since it's just not needed any more.
1566[16:20:07] <ratrace> greycat: I see xorg running on vt7, for my lightdm+i3-wm with no custom config, setup
1567[16:20:18] <greycat> lightdm != startx
1568[16:20:54] <ratrace> greycat: I was referring to your "with stretch's changes, X runs in tty1 now", assumed you meant a DM
1569[16:20:56] <greycat> If you login on tty1 and run startx (in buster or stretch), X is running in tty1. Ctrl-Alt-F1 will do nothing because you're already in tty1.
1570[16:21:04] <ratrace> because with startx, xorg runs in whatever tty you start it in, no?
1571[16:21:10] <greycat> *now*, yes.
1572[16:21:14] <jelly> Habbie: exec sudo exec systemctl start gdm? :-)
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1574[16:21:37] <greycat> sudo already execs its command...
1575[16:21:39] <ratrace> greycat: ah so before even if you startx in tt1, it'd run in 7?
1576[16:21:47] <Habbie> jelly, sudo: exec: command not found
1577[16:22:03] <jelly> sudo,22181 sleep 60
1578[16:22:03] <jelly> `-sleep,22182 60
1579[16:22:03] <greycat> ratrace: jessie and before, yes. And then an "attacker" could c-a-f1 back to your startx tty session and ctrl-z or ctrl-c it.
1580[16:22:08] <ratrace> I see
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1583[16:22:48] <ratrace> and back then you had to fiddle with /dev permissions, right? I mean, it's been a while since I done that, what I remember was from some time ago
1584[16:23:18] <jelly> greycat: but my system was last installed at slink-potato time, there's probably leftover nondefault sudo configs galore
1585[16:24:36] <greycat> ratrace: in a sufficiently old system, you just had to add your user to the "audio" group, the "video" group, etc. You NEVER had to mangle the permissions on device nodes.
1586[16:24:38] <erif> ratrace ip=xxx.xxx.xxx.123:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:xxx.xxx.xxx.1:255.255.255.0:enp1s0:off
1587[16:25:22] <erif> doesn
1588[16:25:29] <erif> doesn't ipconfig use the old eth names?
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1591[16:25:52] <erif> and isn't ipconfig not installed by default? Do any of these things matter?
1592[16:25:58] <ratrace> erif: no, the client field is your local ip. so ..... <ip>::<gateway>:<netmask>:<hostname>:<nic> don't even need that last field
1593[16:26:20] <uRock> ipconfig or ifconfig?
1594[16:26:33] <ratrace> ipconfig, for initramfs IP= field
1595[16:26:50] <ratrace> replaced-url
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1603[16:30:58] <ratrace> erif: btw, are you just trying to get the network going in initramfs (eg. for dropbear and ssh access) or you're actually mounting nfsroot?
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1606[16:32:53] <erif> Mondor has never been this dififuclt in the years past.
1607[16:33:28] <ratrace> Monwhat?
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1610[16:34:13] <erif> *s
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1612[16:37:10] <erif> erif, misstyped that: replaced-url
1613[16:37:20] <erif> Sorry, misstyped
1614[16:37:22] <erif> that
1615[16:38:15] <greycat> "For an introduction, see intro(8mandos)" ?? wtf.
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1623[16:42:01] <vallinski> /quit
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1626[16:44:31] * karlpinc wonders whether mandos is immune to replay attacks
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1637[16:51:56] <erif> karlpinc I would think it is, given it uses TLS (MAC)
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1642[16:54:11] <erif> Looks like it is having trouble loading the modules for the nic
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1645[16:54:41] <dokma> After upgrade pid 1 is /sbin/init again. How do I revert this back to systemd?
1646[16:55:07] <dokma> /sbin/init is symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd
1647[16:55:28] <dokma> Am I on systemd or initv ?
1648[16:55:35] <greycat> You are on systemd, then.
1649[16:55:48] <jelly> dokma: what does "cat /proc/1/comm" say
1650[16:55:49] <dokma> So it just reports as /sbin/init in ps ?
1651[16:56:00] <greycat> The kernel runs /sbin/init, not knowing or caring which one it is.
1652[16:56:04] <dokma> jelly: systemd
1653[16:56:08] <jelly> there you go.
1654[16:56:37] <dokma> Great. So why do I get Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory on sudo systemctl --user enable pulseaudio
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1656[16:57:08] <greycat> if you're using systemctl --user, you *don't* want to use sudo
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1659[16:57:34] <greycat> the whole point of --user is it's under the control of you, a non-root user
1660[16:58:15] <dokma> Hmm... makes sense
1661[16:58:53] <dokma> So now I'm at Failed to enable unit: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
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1664[16:59:42] <dokma> systemctl --user dbus.service ---> Unknown operation dbus.service
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1666[17:00:13] <greycat> you need a subcommand/verb, like "status" or "enable" or "stop"
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1672[17:01:19] <dokma> systemctl --user status dbus.service ---> Failed to get properties: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
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1674[17:02:02] <dokma> Ok. With sudo it shows that dbus is running
1675[17:02:28] <ratrace> you don't need sudo for status
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1677[17:03:11] <greycat> you sometimes get additional log information with sudo, though
1678[17:03:23] <greycat> the real question is "what are you trying to do"
1679[17:03:41] <dokma> Start the pulseaudio service
1680[17:04:09] <greycat> and it ... doesn't just start automatically when you log in?
1681[17:04:18] <dokma> No
1682[17:04:25] <dokma> That's what I'm trying to fix
1683[17:04:34] <jelly> how precisely do you log in
1684[17:04:39] <dokma> Via slim
1685[17:04:53] <jelly> can you try sddm or lightdm instead?
1686[17:05:00] <dokma> sure
1687[17:05:17] <ratrace> yeah slim had some big issues with logind. also, it's abandonware.
1688[17:05:18] <jelly> I GUESS it's possible your current dm does not set up all the logind things
1689[17:05:28] <dokma> jelly: pardon, I am on lightdm right now
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1691[17:05:36] <jelly> ok that one ought to work I think
1692[17:05:45] <ratrace> does here
1693[17:05:46] <dokma> Let me try login again
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1699[17:06:49] <dokma> Yup... no pulse daemon after login. Just xfce4 panel plugin is running
1700[17:07:03] <dokma> How do I see if pulseaudio is enabled?
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1702[17:07:35] <dokma> I get: Unit pulseaudio.service could not be found. no matter what I try.
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1704[17:07:42] <greycat> is the package installed?
1705[17:07:44] <aidanpr> how's everybody doing
1706[17:07:45] <dokma> Is that service installed with pulseaudio package?
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1708[17:08:07] <ratrace> dokma: systemctl --user status pulseaudio.service
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1710[17:08:23] <dokma> ratrace: Failed to get properties: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
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1712[17:08:47] <ratrace> dokma: any more details in the journal?
1713[17:08:47] <greycat> dokma: there is something fundamentally messed up with your login
1714[17:08:54] <greycat> wooledg:~$ systemctl --user status pulseaudio
1715[17:08:55] <greycat> Unit pulseaudio.service could not be found.
1716[17:09:12] <ratrace> works here though
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1719[17:09:21] <ratrace> LightDM + i3-mw
1720[17:09:38] <dokma> greycat: I was logging in from the console and starting xfce manually for a long time.
1721[17:09:44] <dokma> Switched to lightdm recently
1722[17:09:48] <dokma> Might be the issue
1723[17:09:57] <greycat> I log in on the console and use "startx", and you can see my results pasted above.
1724[17:10:14] <aidanpr> I switched over to Debian recently
1725[17:10:21] <dokma> greycat: that's what I used to do
1726[17:10:33] <aidanpr> Debian's nice
1727[17:10:41] * Ankman inherited a Cent OS server recently
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1729[17:10:43] <dokma> aidanpr: it's awesome
1730[17:10:47] <Ankman> main OS stay Debian though
1731[17:10:48] <aidanpr> way better than centos
1732[17:10:53] <aidanpr> for network
1733[17:11:00] <aidanpr> networking on centos tends to be quite janky
1734[17:11:07] <dokma> Here's my console: replaced-url
1735[17:11:12] <dokma> Any other suggestions?
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1737[17:11:16] <Ankman> no probls on centos
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1739[17:11:35] <jhutchins_wk> aidanpr: networking on centos is fine if you know what you're doing.
1740[17:11:43] <aidanpr> yeah
1741[17:11:51] <aidanpr> but debian's is way easier/straightfoward
1742[17:12:32] <dokma> jelly: any suggestions on what to try?
1743[17:12:36] <dokma> jelly: replaced-url
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1747[17:13:48] <ratrace> dokma: do you have /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop ?
1748[17:14:24] <dokma> ratrace: are you following on the web?
1749[17:14:31] <ratrace> am I what?
1750[17:14:46] <dokma> ratrace: replaced-url
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1752[17:15:20] <dokma> This installation is about 15 years old so there might be some ancient leftovers...
1753[17:15:25] <ratrace> dokma: I can't use that. Anywya, do you have that file?
1754[17:15:32] <dokma> ratrace: I do
1755[17:16:20] <ratrace> dokma: and no /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no in the process list?
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1757[17:16:58] <dokma> Checked with pgrep -fla pulse and no
1758[17:17:19] <dokma> There is no /usr/bin/pulseaudio in the process list at all
1759[17:17:30] <ratrace> dokma: any clues in the journal about it failing or something?
1760[17:17:46] <dokma> ratrace: how do I check that?
1761[17:18:32] <ratrace> dokma: dunno, grep for "pulse", but there could be other log entries suggesting a failure, not necesssarily with "pulse" in them
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1763[17:20:58] <ratrace> dokma: also, can you start it just by running `pulseaudio` as your user, from the command line?
1764[17:21:19] <ratrace> ctrl-c to exit, or add --daemonize to that
1765[17:23:12] <greycat> just out of curiosity, where *is* the log of things being launched by xdg-autostart?
1766[17:23:19] <dokma> when I start it just with pulseaudio it does start but no sound
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1769[17:23:55] <ratrace> dokma: ther's verbose mode with -v or -vv so you can check if it complains about anything
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1771[17:24:31] <ratrace> greycat: should be journal which logs stdout/stdterr of the DM service
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1783[17:27:48] <dokma> No errors, just a bunch of I: messages
1784[17:27:54] <dokma> So, supposedly it starts fine
1785[17:27:59] <dokma> Just no sound
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1799[17:34:47] <jhutchins_wk> !alsa checklist
1800[17:34:47] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
1801[17:35:32] <dokma> ratrace: lol... now I paused and played the video again and now I have sound
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1803[17:36:09] <dokma> ratrace: and now I paused and played it again and youtube said Audio render error. Please restart your computer..
1804[17:37:04] <dob1> hi, very simple bash script to check if user is root (I found it online), can someone tell me what's wrong with it ? replaced-url
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1807[17:37:49] <greycat> if test "$(id -u)" = 0; then echo "you appear to be root"; else echo "you do not appear to be root"; fi
1808[17:37:53] <dokma> jhutchins_wk: I'm on pulse
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1810[17:38:15] <dokma> jhutchins_wk: I am a member of audio
1811[17:38:17] <jhutchins_wk> dokma: Which is "on" ALSA.
1812[17:38:29] <dob1> greycat, so you suggest to change it?
1813[17:38:55] <dokma> jhutchins_wk: not muted
1814[17:38:57] <dokma> volume is up
1815[17:38:58] <greycat> I am not even going to *look* at it.
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1817[17:39:08] <dob1> greycat, but I need to negate it, I want to exit if I am not root
1818[17:39:20] <greycat> "I found a random script online" should be met only with screams and fire.
1819[17:39:36] <greycat> if test "$(id -u)" != 0; then ...
1820[17:40:05] <BCMM> dob1: well, what do you think is wrong with it? did something go wrong when you ran it?
1821[17:40:35] <dob1> greycat, ah right. but there are several online resources that use this approach
1822[17:41:11] <BCMM> unless you change the #! from bash to sh, that approach looks sound
1823[17:41:12] <dob1> BCMM, ./go.sh: 3: ./go.sh: [[: not found
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1825[17:41:28] <greycat> You're using bash syntax in an sh script.
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1827[17:41:43] <greycat> It was probably written for Red Hat or some similar system where /bin/sh is bash.
1828[17:41:55] <BCMM> dob1: oh! typo on the first line!
1829[17:42:02] <greycat> Change the shebang from #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash
1830[17:42:12] <dob1> greycat, it's bash
1831[17:42:18] <BCMM> greycat: it's becoming increasingly obvious that you haven't actually read the pastebin
1832[17:42:24] <BCMM> dob1: it should say #!/bin/bash, but you're missing the !
1833[17:42:28] <greycat> Of course not. I said I am not going to look at it.
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1835[17:42:32] <dob1> ah!
1836[17:42:41] <dob1> oh
1837[17:42:55] <dob1> ok sorry for the stupid question, my bad
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1839[17:43:33] <BCMM> dob1: the result is that it's getting executed with sh, which fails because it contains several different pieces of bash-specific syntax
1840[17:44:12] <dob1> BCMM, I got it
1841[17:45:03] <greycat> a script with a malformed shebang could either give "exec format error" when you try to run it from program Q, or it could be executed with /bin/sh as the interpreter when run from program P, or basically any other behavior the developers choose
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1844[17:45:31] <greycat> "fall back to sh" or "give an error" or "use a copy of myself, since I am a shell" are the three most common behaviors
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1846[17:45:45] <BCMM> greycat: i do apologise for assuming that you were being wrong by accident
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1849[17:47:56] <Conino> Hello, 3.16.39-1~bpo70+1 and 3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1, can someone please tell me what the difference is, particularly with deb8u1 ?
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1851[17:48:15] <greycat> Bash's behavior is actually the most interesting choice that I'm aware of. If the kernel gives ENOEXEC, bash reads 100 bytes from the start of the file, and scans them for NUL bytes. If there are no NUL bytes found, bash runs it with a child bash process as interpreter. If NUL bytes are found, it gives an error.
1852[17:48:42] <dvs> Conino, deb8u1 has had a security patch applied to it.
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1854[17:49:00] <greycat> Conino: a jessie (deb8) security patch, to be specific
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1856[17:49:27] <greycat> and u1 means this is the first security patch to this package in jessie
1857[17:50:00] <Conino> great thanks. I'm not sure how jessie was applied to it when the machine is running Wheezy
1858[17:50:01] <BCMM> greycat: interesting. what would the presence of nuls imply?
1859[17:50:15] <greycat> "not a script"
1860[17:50:20] <Conino> :D
1861[17:50:32] <BCMM> are several popular binary formats guaranteed to have nulls in the header?
1862[17:50:49] <greycat> Conino: could be a warning sign that someone mixed packages from multiple releases, or did a partial release upgrade
1863[17:50:58] <dvs> Conino, you sure? cat /etc/debian_version
1864[17:51:11] <greycat> BCMM: not necessarily a "header". Just the first 100 bytes, an arbitrary choice.
1865[17:51:36] <BCMM> i'm wondering why/if that works, basically
1866[17:51:36] <Conino> @dvs, # cat /etc/debian_version
1867[17:51:37] <Conino> 7.11
1868[17:51:41] <dvs> ok
1869[17:52:06] <greycat> BCMM: the intent, I believe, is to prevent feeding a compiled ELF binary to bash
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1871[17:52:24] <Conino> thanks both of ya
1872[17:52:47] <greycat> or, y'know, some random a.out format, or some database file, or an MP3 file, or anything that's not supposed to be interpreted as a sequence of shell commands
1873[17:53:58] <BCMM> greycat: 100 bytes clearly isn't enough to expect a nul to come around in random data, so i was imagining that they had specific formats in mind that are expected to include nuls
1874[17:54:40] <greycat> well, I mean,... if you do "less /bin/ls" there are a crapload of NULs early in the file
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1876[17:54:51] <greycat> ^?ELF^B^A^A^@^@^@^@ ...
1877[17:55:06] <BCMM> ok, so perhaps it was written with ELF headers in mind...
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1879[17:55:17] <BCMM> ls is not some random db file
1880[17:56:00] <greycat> a PNG file, <89>PNG ^Z ^@^@^@^MIHDR^@^@ ...
1881[17:56:22] <greycat> a GIF file, GIF87a^B^@^A^@<F7>^@^@^@ ...
1882[17:56:33] <greycat> just lots and lots of NULs everywhere
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1885[17:57:17] <greycat> .ps and .pdf are less NUL-ish
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1887[17:58:01] <greycat> anyway. it's not intended to be perfect protection or anything
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1904[18:10:33] <Fiacha> Hi, is there a free tool that can clone a debian installation to a new disk while increasing all partitions proportionally? I have an installation that separates /var /opt /home and root
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1953[18:42:47] <jelly> ,file bin/rmadison
1954[18:42:51] <judd> Search for bin/rmadison in buster/amd64: devscripts: usr/bin/rmadison
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1963[18:46:17] <jmcnaught> Fiacha: you want to migrate a system to a larger drive? Are you using LVM?
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1984[19:01:47] <jhutchins_wk> Fiacha: It would be fairly easy to partition and format the new drive manually, then copy the files over with something like rsync.
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1986[19:02:34] <jhutchins_wk> Fiacha: You'd want to boot from live media, rescue mode or something.
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1989[19:02:51] <jhutchins_wk> Fiacha: clonezilla might have something that would do it...
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2085[19:59:54] <velix> Anyone with an idea, why bash-completion doesn't work for parameters of APT, like "apt --upgra<tab>" ?
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2092[20:00:57] <greycat> "dpkg -L bash-completion | grep apt" shows me a file for apt-get but not one for apt.
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2095[20:02:33] <velix> greycat: It works for some parameters, but not for all.
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2099[20:03:39] <greycat> well then, you get to guess how it's getting even those, and then file a bug report or extend/fix it yourself
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2101[20:03:55] <velix> okay, I'll try. THanks.
2102[20:04:02] <greycat> ahhh. I didn't check the OTHER way aorund
2103[20:04:05] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dpkg -L apt | grep bash
2104[20:04:10] <greycat> [...] /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt
2105[20:04:27] <greycat> so apt-get's completion rules are in one package, but apt's completion rules are in another. so sensible.
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2125[20:18:36] <velix> greycat: thanks!
2126[20:20:27] <velix> greycat: Something is wrong here. It doesn't even show "apt --downl<tab>", but it's in the file.
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2130[20:22:12] <greycat> wooledg:~$ complete -p apt
2131[20:22:12] <greycat> bash: complete: apt: no completion specification
2132[20:22:17] <greycat> it's not being read for whatever reason
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2137[20:24:59] <greycat> /etc/bash_completion reads /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion which reads /etc/bash_completion.d/* but not /usr/share/bash-completion/*
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2139[20:26:03] <greycat> Hmm, /etc/skel/.bashrc reads BOTH /etc/bash_completion and /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion
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2141[20:26:11] <greycat> why the hell is this stuff split in two pieces like this...
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2145[20:27:12] <velix> greycat: That's the magic of Debian.
2146[20:27:52] <uio> velix, It's a feature.
2147[20:27:56] <velix> :D
2148[20:28:12] <velix> uio: Wait, was this a joke or an real answer? :D
2149[20:28:24] <greycat> dotting in /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion loads a completion function for apt, but it doesn't appear to work, and I don't know why, and don't really care enough to try to debug it
2150[20:28:29] <greycat> I don't use bash-completion myself.
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2152[20:28:42] <velix> greycat: yeah, als tried dotting / sourcing.
2153[20:28:48] <velix> also*
2154[20:28:55] <uio> velix, That's the best part - you can't be sure. lol
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2157[20:30:25] <velix> uio: Not funny :-)
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2160[20:35:59] <eemaster5[m]> I'm trying to start a Debian 10 netinstall via virt-manager on a Debian 10 host, but I only manage to reach the installation type selection screen, afterwards it ends with a kernel panic. Anything I could try to solve that?
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2165[20:39:38] <eemaster5[m]> I now downloaded a Debian 9 netinstall image and it works.
2166[20:39:41] <Ninpo> Hi I'm trying to help a friend that had some issues updating proxmox last night and has ended up with a Debian 9 that won't allow any logins at console (definitely the correct passwords being used). I'm unsure how to troubleshoot the login process especially with the switch to systemd if anyone can help point me in the right direction?
2167[20:39:50] <eemaster5[m]> I think I'm only having problems with the Debian 10 installation for some reason.
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2169[20:40:09] <greycat> Ninpo: make sure /etc/nsswitch.conf is present, intact, and has sane permissions
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2171[20:40:30] <greycat> Ninpo: after that, make sure /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow look correct for this particular user account
2172[20:40:32] <Ninpo> rw r r root:root
2173[20:40:45] <greycat> the contents are more of a concern than the permissions
2174[20:40:54] <Ninpo> temporary failure in name resolution every prompt...
2175[20:41:09] <Ninpo> passwd group and shadow are set to compat
2176[20:41:13] <Ninpo> gshadow is files
2177[20:41:18] <Ninpo> files dns for hosts, files for networks
2178[20:41:26] <Ninpo> I'd use a pastebin but I'm in a kvm
2179[20:41:35] <Ninpo> ethers has db files
2180[20:41:48] <Ninpo> I get that hostname problem when I chroot into the disk from rescue, could that be a clue?
2181[20:42:17] <greycat> try reinstalling libc6 ?
2182[20:42:27] <Ninpo> how? no network
2183[20:42:38] <ratrace> Ninpo: got a phone?
2184[20:43:03] <Ninpo> ratrace: I'm on a kvm, the server is hundreds of miles away
2185[20:43:11] <ratrace> oh
2186[20:43:21] <ratrace> wait, kvm has no network?
2187[20:43:29] <ratrace> (I'm assuming you mean keyboard-video-mouse)
2188[20:43:36] <jelly> Ninpo: screenshots are acceptable if you can't pastebin text
2189[20:43:47] <Ninpo> ok thanks
2190[20:43:50] <greycat> unfortunately, "kvm" has at least two totally different expansions in the IT context
2191[20:43:50] <jelly> !paste
2192[20:43:52] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2193[20:44:10] <Ninpo> I think the hostname: Temporary failure in name resolution is a big clue, don't logins fail if errors occur?
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2195[20:44:36] <velix> Do I *need* LVM for luks? I've just setup a VM without LVM and it works.
2196[20:44:44] <velix> oops, maybe I should ask this in #linux
2197[20:44:45] <greycat> well, the same mechanisms behind hostname lookups are also behind account name lookups, at least for part of the journey
2198[20:44:49] <ratrace> velix: nope
2199[20:45:01] <velix> ratrace: Why do all tutorials recommend it?
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2201[20:45:12] <velix> about all
2202[20:45:15] <ratrace> velix: for convenience
2203[20:45:34] <velix> ratrace: but can you resize a luks partition? I think, that's one of the benefits of LVM
2204[20:45:37] <ratrace> one LUKS, one unlock instance, several partitions, swaps, whatnots atop of it via LVM
2205[20:46:01] <ratrace> how often do you think you'll need to resize?
2206[20:46:09] <velix> ratrace: never ;)
2207[20:46:13] <ratrace> and btw yes you can resize the LUKS container
2208[20:46:16] <velix> Oh, I can't setup a swap on a normal luks container?
2209[20:46:27] <ratrace> you can setup a swapfile
2210[20:46:37] <velix> ratrace: Yeah, that's what I always do.
2211[20:46:41] <velix> I don't like swap partitions.
2212[20:46:43] <ratrace> and yes you can set up swap on a luks container that's using urandom for password
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2214[20:46:47] <velix> I rarely swap.
2215[20:46:50] <ratrace> so really, no need for LVM
2216[20:46:50] <jelly> velix: sure you can. LVM however makes things easier
2217[20:47:47] <velix> thanks for confusing me
2218[20:48:01] <jelly> > <velix> Oh, I can't setup a swap on a normal luks container?
2219[20:48:29] <jelly> you can do that. Not necessarily from the installer using installer options, but you can do it.
2220[20:48:35] <jelly> manually if need be
2221[20:48:41] <ratrace> LVM offers no advantage for swap on luks these days. systemd crypttab genny can use urandom for password, so you don't have to unlock it manually
2222[20:49:16] <velix> ratrace: I want to use SSH remote unlocking via dropbear in initramfs
2223[20:49:21] <jelly> ratrace: it offers a persistent space, makes hibernation and resume from disk work
2224[20:49:41] <velix> It's a VPS at a hoster, so I don't need hibernation
2225[20:50:17] <jelly> putting / on lvm on luks and swap on same lvm on luks is simple and easy
2226[20:50:31] <ratrace> jelly: btw, doesn't the initramfs crypt APIs have the ability to unlock multiple containers with teh sinle passphrase these days?
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2228[20:51:06] <ratrace> jelly: sure, there are some advantages, but the question was "Do I *need* it" :)
2229[20:51:21] <jelly> ratrace: no idea. If you know how, tell me. My machine asks for as many passphrases as there are luks container entries in crypttab.
2230[20:51:36] <jelly> they don't *need* luks at all...
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2232[20:51:56] <velix> The only thing I don't like about the ssh remote unlocking is that I can't use portknocking.
2233[20:51:59] <ratrace> although personally I havent touched LVM in almost 10 years, and haven't used hibernation in over 5
2234[20:52:21] <ratrace> jelly: I think I've read about either it, or systemd-crypt thingy, growing that capability
2235[20:52:38] <ratrace> velix: overkill if you ask me
2236[20:52:50] <velix> ratrace: you wanna read REAL overkill? 1 sec
2237[20:53:08] <velix> ratrace: THIS is real overkill! replaced-url
2238[20:53:34] <ratrace> ah yeah, heard of fwknop.
2239[20:53:51] <ratrace> I wouldn't bother with it.
2240[20:54:05] <velix> Right now, knockd gives me another layer of security + my normal security.
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2242[20:54:35] <ratrace> sure, it increases security, but very very very marginally, imho
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2245[20:55:47] <velix> ratrace: It closes ssh port 99% of the time
2246[20:56:39] <ALowther> It seems that my default debian install does not put `/usr/sbin/` in the $PATH of non-sudo users by default. Is this for security. I typically navigate as a regular user and use sudo as necessary, I found commands like `groupadd` are not in my $PATH. I want to add it, but I assume there is a reason it isn't there in the first place. I'd like to get some insight into that decision, so I know what I am going against if I decide to add it.
2247[20:56:43] <ratrace> velix: well, bots wont try non-22 ports, recently some might also try 2222, but that's it. so basically your threat model there is humans attempting to find your ssh port. what's the likelihood of that
2248[20:56:56] <velix> ratrace: bah... any script kiddy does nmap
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2250[20:57:35] <ratrace> velix: yeah but how often are you their target
2251[20:57:59] <ratrace> in 10+ years that I've been paying attention, I have yet to see a single attempt at the non-standard ssh port I'm using across all the servers.
2252[20:58:17] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: I've seen hits on 222.
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2254[20:58:29] <jhutchins_wk> Possibly on 2222 as well.
2255[20:58:32] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: yeah I heard some bots will try 222 and 2222.
2256[20:58:40] <ratrace> mine is nowhere near, so... :)
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2258[20:59:04] <ratrace> anyway... I couldn't care less about port knocking because hiding ssh behind non-standard port has *so far* worked 100% secure for me.
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2260[20:59:24] <jhutchins_wk> The theory has been that even if they know the port, the fact that you've moved it means you're paying attention and probably have other measures in place, so on to the next candidate.
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2262[20:59:59] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: indeed.
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2267[21:01:02] <velix> Is dropbear ssh as secure as openssh?
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2269[21:01:04] <ratrace> now, if I ever became a target for a human threat actor, I'm WAY MORE concerned with potential kernel/tcp-stack based zero days, than them attempting to knock off my ssh
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2271[21:01:37] <ratrace> and the shit state linux kernel is these days, does NOT inspire any confidence there
2272[21:01:43] <ratrace> oops sorry, language
2273[21:02:44] <ratrace> velix: nothing prevents you from installing openssh in the initramfs instead of dropbear
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2275[21:03:09] <velix> ratrace: actually, I never really played with initramfs.
2276[21:03:33] <ratrace> it's piece of cake once you realize how simple it is in principle
2277[21:04:15] <ratrace> it's just a tarball of a rootfs which contains all the binaries and libs necessary to do the root-mounting work, and literally a /init shell script that does the magick
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2279[21:04:33] <ratrace> cpio these days, or whatever the archive format it is,
2280[21:05:04] <Ninpo> replaced-url
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2284[21:06:08] <velix> ratrace: So I can put iptables in there? :D
2285[21:06:21] <velix> or is the kernel module missing
2286[21:06:24] <ratrace> you can put a whole OS and run it from initramfs if you so want
2287[21:06:31] <velix> :D
2288[21:06:45] <velix> why don't we do this?
2289[21:06:49] <jelly> Ninpo: that hostname thing is just your unusual prompt setup that tries to run "hostname" command every time the prompt appears
2290[21:06:49] <ratrace> loading modules for the kernel is also possible. there is functionally no difference between kernel execing /init and pivoting root to "real" rootfs and starting /sbin/init
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2293[21:07:36] <velix> ratrace: Even if I might not need it, I feel much safer with knockd and fail2ban ;)
2294[21:07:39] <jelly> Ninpo: it's not unusual for that command to fail in chroot, booted in a limited rescue enviroment
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2296[21:08:09] <ratrace> velix: but be aware it's false sense of security. fail2ban especially
2297[21:08:10] <Ninpo> I've never seen that before...
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2299[21:08:47] <jelly> Ninpo: ever chrooted from this particular rescue into this installation before?
2300[21:08:51] <velix> ratrace: Why? I'm using a key for ssh, but I want to block all those idiots trying to login
2301[21:09:16] <ratrace> velix: because these days ssh probes are distributed, fail2ban is ineffective against distributed attempts
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2303[21:09:18] <Ninpo> jelly: good point, no. I more meant in general ever, even with chroot. You're right though
2304[21:09:19] <eemaster5[m]> Does anyone know whether it's my setup or the installation image if Debian 9 works in my virt-manager and Debian 10 does not?
2305[21:09:37] <ratrace> velix: and uh, again, only if you keep ssh on port 22[[2]2]
2306[21:10:04] <velix> ratrace: okay okay :D
2307[21:10:13] <ratrace> there are no idiots trying ssh on other ports. my /var/log/auth.log is silent
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2310[21:10:56] <greycat> ratrace: there *are*, and you're just fortunate so far
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2312[21:11:48] <greycat> (don't get me wrong, putting sshd on a nonstandard port is cool, because it decreases the sheer *volume* of brute force attacks, but it will not permanently stop them)
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2314[21:12:22] <ratrace> so far, in the past 10+ years that I'm paying attention, it stops them in 100% of cases :)
2315[21:13:03] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Has anyone here had to configure how long Prometheus keeps data on Debian? It's a command-line option for the systemd unit that runs it, but I couldn't find where it's specified.
2316[21:13:20] <ratrace> as a method of the "security by obscurity" kind, non-standard ssh port beats introducing fwknop complexity
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2321[21:16:04] <ratrace> Speaking of which, does OpenSSH have the ability to tarpit a user account that's under bruteforce attack? That's the BEST mitigation technique.
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2323[21:16:23] <ratrace> I see there's endlessh, but I think no such functionality in OpenSSH per se
2324[21:16:40] <greycat> openssh itself doesn't offer that kind of thing; you'd need some sort of add-on
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2335[21:22:50] <bernyrd> fail2ban
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2337[21:22:57] <bernyrd> there's another, it adds iptables rules
2338[21:23:15] <bernyrd> ratrace: another I read of, just pick very new cipher types. most brute bots are quite old.
2339[21:24:08] <velix> ratrace: Even if it might be useless, I'm seeing it as a challenge: I'll try to add iptables and knockd to initramfs
2340[21:25:13] <greycat> I really don't understand why people are implementing services in an initramfs.
2341[21:25:30] <velix> greycat: I want to encrypt my VPS
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2343[21:25:43] <velix> and unlock it via remote ssh key
2344[21:25:54] <velix> but I want to hide the ssh port 39489
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2346[21:26:35] <jelly> there is one benefit to luks even if you trust the provider; if a disk with your data is removed, data won't be easily recoverable
2347[21:26:43] <Ninpo> Well I figured out why I couldn't log in at console. server keyboard layout is bloody qwertz
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2349[21:27:02] <jelly> and it's often removed when there's a physical failure
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2351[21:27:21] <jelly> Ninpo: loadkezs us :-)
2352[21:27:33] <eemaster5[m]> jelly: why
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2354[21:27:38] <Ninpo> cannot open file!
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2356[21:28:01] <jelly> eemaster5[m]: sorry, why what
2357[21:28:01] <life_SUX> hello
2358[21:28:16] <velix> jelly: so I should better create an encrypted IMG on the disk, loop-mount it, f.e. for the PostgreSQL data? I could easily backup this file.
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2365[21:29:12] <jelly> velix: I don't know what your threat model is to even try to suggest technical solutions/mitigations
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2368[21:29:23] <jelly> why just Pg?
2369[21:29:36] <velix> jelly: Not only just PG, but the database keeps all the data ;)
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2371[21:29:59] <jelly> the whole disk also keeps all the data!
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2373[21:30:10] <life_SUX> I d/l ed a program using snap. it installed it, but i do not know how to activate it. the program name does not appear in the GUI interface, and command line gives me an error notice
2374[21:30:13] <eemaster5[m]> jelly: Sorry, I saw LUKS but read LVM
2375[21:30:37] <life_SUX> Running Debian 10
2376[21:30:51] <velix> jelly: Actually, when I'm purchasing some geodata, it's in the contract that I need to store it with encryption (even in the database). Even if it doesn't make sense, that's the contract.
2377[21:31:05] <velix> jelly: Some of this geodata has details, like households, names and age of households etc.
2378[21:31:26] <jelly> surely there's a functional requirement
2379[21:31:37] <velix> So I thought, full disk encryption is best.
2380[21:31:44] <jelly> like "you must protect data at rest"
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2382[21:32:07] <jelly> not "you must use encryption"
2383[21:32:13] <jhutchins_wk> MySQL has internal encryption.
2384[21:32:33] <jelly> best to double-rot13 everything
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2386[21:32:38] <velix> jhutchins_wk: PostgreSQL also has, I think, There's an extension, I think.
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2388[21:32:56] <velix> oh, I'm thinking a lot ;)
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2390[21:33:12] <life_SUX> Also, I installed 2 diffent interfaces, but I cannto figure ou how to switch between the two. no choice given at login.
2391[21:33:46] <velix> jelly: I think, encrypting the whole disk with remote ssh unlocking gives a strong way to satisfy the contractual.
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2395[21:35:21] <velix> jelly: do you agress but 20, 40, 60 or 80% ;)
2396[21:35:28] <velix> agree* by*
2397[21:35:59] <velix> maybe I should switch to paranoid ##security?
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2400[21:37:33] <life_SUX> ..by any chance is there a #debian for newbies channel?
2401[21:37:41] <greycat> this one
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2403[21:37:53] <life_SUX> ok.
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2406[21:39:02] <life_SUX> I knw that Linux does not use .exe. I cannot find the file that executes this program.
2407[21:40:21] <greycat> Files that you can run in Linux are the ones that have execute bits ('x' in the ls -l output). Usually they're in a directory named "bin" or "sbin".
2408[21:40:49] <annadane> it helps if you clarify "this program" too
2409[21:40:49] <greycat> If you know the name of the program, "type progname" at a shell prompt should tell you where it is.
2410[21:40:57] <life_SUX> OK, I thought that it was bin. OK, let me find the correct folder
2411[21:42:57] <life_SUX> *.*.usr.bin/ ?
2412[21:43:10] <life_SUX> usr/bin/ ?
2413[21:43:15] <greycat> life_SUX: please ask a concrete question that we can actually answer
2414[21:43:49] <greycat> wooledg:~$ type ls
2415[21:43:49] <greycat> ls is hashed (/bin/ls)
2416[21:44:15] <life_SUX> OK, No bin, but under /snap/ there is the usr folder. it has a bun subfolder
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2418[21:44:24] <life_SUX> bin subfolder
2419[21:44:46] <humpled> no you are a bun
2420[21:45:06] <annadane> you ought to just be able to run those as regular user...
2421[21:45:32] <annadane> unless it's a big secret, tell us what the program is, maybe we can answer?
2422[21:45:44] <life_SUX> I vwas spoiled by microsoft windows.
2423[21:45:44] <greycat> I think the question is "how do I run this snap thing that I just downloaded"
2424[21:46:00] <greycat> I don't know why they can't just say that
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2426[21:46:20] <life_SUX> oh, Dissenter.. it is a internet browser. This versino IS made for Debian.
2427[21:46:37] <life_SUX> Maybe i shouldn't of used snap to download it.
2428[21:46:59] <annadane> i don't use snaps so i'm not much help in how to run it
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2430[21:47:12] <life_SUX> greycat; sorry ...WTH do i execute this program?
2431[21:47:15] <annadane> in flatpak it's flatpak run <name of flatpak path>
2432[21:47:30] * greycat googles "how to run a snap"
2433[21:47:37] <jhutchins_wk> !newbie-guide
2434[21:47:37] <dpkg> You've decided to do away with Windows - or are considering it - and want to use Debian GNU/Linux. Good for you! But it isn't Windows, you can't just install Debian and start using a completely different operating system immediately... you need to Read The Fine Manual (RTFM). Ask me about <reference> and <grounding>.
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2436[21:47:59] <jhutchins_wk> Not as helpful as I'd hoped.
2437[21:47:59] <greycat> apparently there's replaced-url
2438[21:48:10] <life_SUX> ok, Let me try that
2439[21:48:48] <annadane> !newcomer
2440[21:48:48] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
2441[21:49:00] <annadane> not that any of those tell you how to run snaps
2442[21:49:00] <greycat> apparently you're supposed to install the "snapd" package (apt-get install snapd) and then use that to run these things
2443[21:49:16] <greycat> annadane: do they tell you how to type "how to run a snap" into google?
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2457[21:57:43] <Guest710> tgh
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2463[21:58:31] <Guest710> any experienced no mei mei_me driver loading boot?
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2492[22:22:02] <life_SUX> -OK. It could NOT run disenter in terminal. I uninstalled it.
2493[22:23:09] <greycat> I suspect very few people here have ever used a Snap.
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2500[22:25:24] <nkuttler> i used it on a coworkers machine to install some music streaming stuff
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2509[22:34:39] <eemaster5[m]> I used it for anbox
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2522[22:40:57] <life_SUX> OK, the list of operations before the logon screen, there was a failure notice. it went by too quickly to see it ..is there a way to find that error from inside the OS?
2523[22:41:17] <greycat> After you login, run "journalctl" to see the boot messages again.
2524[22:42:10] <greycat> It actually shows more than just those, by default.
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2528[22:44:38] <life_SUX> ok, thanks
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2531[22:47:05] <life_SUX> command not found
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2536[22:48:55] <life_SUX> "invalid operation "
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2540[22:50:17] <tomreyn> "out of context"
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2566[23:05:10] <dokma> Can anyone interpret the mess I got from SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug systemctl --user status pulseaudio ??
2567[23:05:14] <dokma> Pasted it in #flood
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2569[23:06:11] <dokma> Or better yet, like this: replaced-url
2570[23:06:58] <greycat> Hmm, pastebin.com nonresponsive for me from here... wonder if they finally started blocking it.
2571[23:07:22] <greycat> this channel's preferred paste location is replaced-url
2572[23:07:34] <dokma> greycat: replaced-url
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2577[23:10:20] <dokma> greycat: org.freedesktop.systemd1 invokes /bin/false so obviously it will return 1
2578[23:10:32] <greycat> it *what*
2579[23:11:44] <dokma> cat /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.systemd1.service contains Exec=/bin/false
2580[23:12:07] <dokma> So I don't get what is going on there...
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2583[23:13:17] <dokma> And what is path=/org/freedesktop/systemd1/unit/pulseaudio_2eservice ??
2584[23:13:26] <greycat> well, that's absolutely fucking opaque.
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2586[23:13:57] <dokma> This is why initv folks detested the idea of systemd
2587[23:14:12] <greycat> Good thing they put a god damned LICENSE in the comments instead of, like, a description of what the hell that thing *is* and why it's *disabled* by calling /bin/false.
2588[23:14:16] <dokma> Once you get in trouble, you are really in trouble.
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2590[23:15:12] <dokma> So if I get it right, systemctl is sending a message to dbus to start org.freedesktop.systemd1 and then gets flipped out when it receives a non zero return?
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2600[23:24:49] <dokma> greycat: replaced-url
2601[23:24:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2610[23:28:52] <greycat> so... gigantic red herrings.
2611[23:29:25] <greycat> it would be nice if they had a comment in them saying "this file does nothing except produce an error in your logs that you can ignore, sorry about that, it's systemd, we can't control this shit"
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2613[23:30:01] <greycat> but having them removed in bullseye makes it unnecessary to document them, supposedly, not that it helps us buster users
2614[23:31:14] <greycat> so whatever debug command you ran that generated these messages, it was not helpful in addressing your *actual* issue, which as near as I can tell has something to do with pulseaudio, which is a thing I do not use
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2617[23:32:05] <dokma> greycat: I installed it only because skype demanded it. In the mean time I learned what detestable pile of crap skype is...
2618[23:32:13] <dokma> I might just remove pulseaudio...
2619[23:32:54] <greycat> Firefox apparently will also require it, if you play audio through Firefox, once Debian stops re-patching ALSA support back in, if they haven't already stopped
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2633[23:39:47] <genericum> is it a good idea to use mmap for an editor ? or should I stick with malloc ?
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2640[23:42:22] <stefandxm> genericum: you take emacs vs vi one step farther
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2645[23:45:51] <bernyrd> genericum, lot of code is switching exclusive to mmap now
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2647[23:46:12] <bernyrd> I do not understand all specific, but I think kernel code path handles it better
2648[23:46:33] <bernyrd> or maybe your question was joke, sorry
2649[23:46:56] <bernyrd> but yes look around lots of strange uses of mmap, especially where there is no memory sharing or file access. justb ig anon map
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