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42[00:30:18] <xtc_> CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS=""
43[00:30:24] <xtc_> now it continues to compile
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48[00:35:04] <nahra> Hello. Is running vpn over bonding possible? I mean witrh fault tolerance.
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50[00:36:55] <xtc_> how do you bond?
51[00:37:39] <xtc_> 802.3ad?
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53[00:37:57] <nahra> xtc_: using Linux Ethernet Bonding driver
54[00:38:17] <xtc_> if you do bond0 -> br0 with ip then probably xD
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56[00:38:39] <nahra> xtc_: replaced-url
57[00:38:58] <nahra> I tried several modes (802.3ad, balance-rr, balance-xor, ...)
58[00:39:14] <xtc_> it should work
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60[00:39:19] <xtc_> is your ip bond to br0?
61[00:39:40] <xtc_> iface br0 inet static
62[00:39:59] <nahra> xtc_: I do not use bridge at all
63[00:40:05] <xtc_> there is the prob
64[00:40:06] <xtc_> :P
65[00:40:15] <xtc_> you have to add bridge pointing to the bond0
66[00:40:41] <nahra> hum
67[00:41:04] <xtc_> bond0 interface has the slaves
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69[00:41:15] <xtc_> and your mode
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71[00:41:31] <xtc_> the br0 is then using your bond0
72[00:41:38] <xtc_> bridge_ports bond0
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75[00:42:01] <xtc_> i had it running like that some yrs ago
76[00:42:20] <xtc_> but your switch has to support it
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78[00:42:42] <nahra> xtc_: My switch?
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80[00:42:45] <xtc_> yes?
81[00:42:51] <xtc_> frames are put together
82[00:42:57] <xtc_> on ethernet layer :P
83[00:43:17] <xtc_> so your switch must have 802.3ad enabled
84[00:44:05] <xtc_> in the end i gave that up
85[00:44:08] <xtc_> and switched to 10g
86[00:44:20] <xtc_> it can only get you ~70%
87[00:44:26] <xtc_> not 2times speed
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90[00:45:08] <nahra> xtc_: What I am looking for is not speed but fault tolerance
91[00:45:15] <xtc_> ah that mode
92[00:45:20] <xtc_> yeah same switch needs support
93[00:45:34] <xtc_> if it isnt turned on xD
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95[00:46:04] <ratrace> xtc_: I think your keyboard is broken, perhaps you need a new one
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97[00:46:24] <xtc_> why is my keyboard broken?
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99[00:46:36] <ratrace> the enter key is stuck
100[00:46:49] <xtc_> ah its easier to read like that
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102[00:47:28] <xtc_> same with bash you use \
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104[00:48:02] <ratrace> it's not and it's bad irc etiquette
105[00:48:08] <xtc_> i see
106[00:48:15] <nahra> xtc_: so, bond -> bridge -> vpn?
107[00:48:19] <xtc_> ok then i stick to one sentence per line
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109[00:48:58] <xtc_> nahra: yeah vpn only wants one interface
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117[00:52:51] <xtc_> replaced-url
118[00:52:53] <xtc_> example
119[00:56:13] <xtc_> so the kernel is compiled lets hope best
120[00:57:21] <xtc_> debian should maintain a classic kernel without the security and hardening :P
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151[01:20:22] <nahra> xtc_: thank you very much for your paste.
152[01:20:52] <nahra> I tried adding a bridge bertween bond and VPN. It did not change anything :|
153[01:22:11] <nahra> It's even worse :(
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163[01:28:11] <Stoot> !moo
164[01:28:12] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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172[01:30:55] <LCRERGO> Hi, I wanted to know why gnu-prolog isn't in the main debian repositories
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174[01:32:45] <nvz> ,i gprolog
175[01:32:47] <judd> No package named 'gprolog' was found in buster/amd64.
176[01:32:59] <nvz> ,v gprolog
177[01:33:00] <judd> Package: gprolog on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.0-6.1; sid: 1.4.5.0-2
178[01:33:13] <trek00> LCRERGO: i think for that bug replaced-url
179[01:33:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
180[01:33:14] <nvz> dpkg, why is grpolog not in testing
181[01:33:15] <dpkg> grpolog is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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183[01:35:52] <LCRERGO> hm... Wonder if swi implementation work well...
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190[01:42:30] <istrive> I built a VM (virtualbox v6.0.12) and installed debian buster 10.1 (Cinnamon), I can browse the web from firefox, ping any server by ip or domain online but apt update returns error that could no connect due to time out... here is the pastebin of the error
191[01:42:31] <istrive> replaced-url
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193[01:42:42] <istrive> what am I supposed to do?
194[01:43:23] <istrive> net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
195[01:43:23] <istrive> net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1
196[01:43:38] <istrive> I also disabled IPv6 these commands on sysctl.conf
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198[01:43:56] <istrive> any ideas?
199[01:43:58] <trek00> is there a firewall?
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201[01:44:16] <istrive> how to check if firewall is on in debian/
202[01:44:37] <istrive> but should firewall block debian repositories ?
203[01:46:26] <trek00> istrive: i was asking only because apt uses the _apt user to download files, so if that user is blocked by firewall rules you can't connect, but it's something you need to enable manually
204[01:47:01] <trek00> do you can browse apt.izzysoft.de?
205[01:47:21] <istrive> would you help me with the wat to do it? why fresh install of debian undergo such setting?
206[01:48:07] <istrive> it's pinging without any problems
207[01:48:27] <trek00> istrive: sorry, may be i write unclear, but it should run fine without additional config after a fresh install
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209[01:48:46] <istrive> so what is goin on?
210[01:48:54] <trek00> can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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212[01:48:58] <istrive> I can browse the web with firefox
213[01:48:59] <istrive> sure
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215[01:49:37] <xtc_> dont use virtualbox try qemu
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217[01:49:49] <istrive> replaced-url
218[01:50:00] <istrive> this is the sources.list
219[01:50:10] <life_SUX> Hi. I figured out what was causing that problem. WRONG PASSWORD (Again, spolied on windows OS where security is not as important). Apollogies.
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221[01:50:45] <trek00> istrive: your sources.list seems ok
222[01:50:54] <life_SUX> I needed to use the ROOT password. .. so, atleasti figured that out on my own.
223[01:51:08] <life_SUX> ok, later.
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226[01:51:22] <istrive> how to check the firewall status/
227[01:51:44] <trek00> istrive: iptables -L
228[01:53:27] <istrive> here is the output... replaced-url
229[01:53:46] <trek00> istrive: no firewall set
230[01:54:21] <istrive> so what could possibly be the problem?
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232[01:54:45] <trek00> istrive: i really don't know, it should be ok
233[01:55:14] <istrive> I already deleted the VM and made a fresh install but no go!
234[01:55:17] <trek00> istrive: may be some misconfiguration on the server side, but it's unusual
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236[01:56:16] <istrive> any other place I should look to make sure it's not on my side?
237[01:56:34] <trek00> istrive: try sudo telnet security.debian.org 80
238[01:57:17] <istrive> telnet command not found
239[01:57:40] <istrive> the fresh install doesn't have this package and I cant install if apt doesn't work
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241[01:58:03] <trek00> istrive: is wget installed?
242[01:58:20] <istrive> no
243[01:58:30] <istrive> sudo wget command not found
244[01:59:15] <trek00> istrive: you surf the web with?
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247[01:59:23] <istrive> firefox
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251[02:00:03] <trek00> istrive: it seems some network problem
252[02:00:46] <trek00> istrive: it can resolve via dns, as ip addresses are written, but it can't connect to the tcp port 80
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256[02:01:39] <istrive> how to check the current dns in debian?
257[02:01:49] <istrive> other than resolve.conf
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259[02:02:06] <trek00> istrive: it should be written in /etc/resolv.conf
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263[02:03:36] <trek00> istrive: this command returns something? rgrep -i pipeline /etc/apt
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309[02:41:45] <sourcream> What is most effective way to stop ddos attacks in linux?
310[02:42:07] <sourcream> My idea was to rate limit connections and add the ip to ipset blacklist incase it exceeds but i am not sure how to do that
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318[02:48:24] <trek00> sourcream: you can do rate-limiting with simple iptbles rules, but you need an additional program to do blacklisting, anyway you should consider other ways, sometimes rate-limiting is a way to block legitimate users
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322[02:49:31] <sourcream> trek00, yeah the ratelimiting didnt help much when I tried it
323[02:49:40] <sourcream> I am trying to protect agains http flood
324[02:52:06] <trek00> sourcream: try check replaced-url
325[02:52:40] <sourcream> trek00, yep i tried that, recent module, hashlimit etc
326[02:52:48] <sourcream> I feel like I just need to blacklist ip when detected
327[02:52:51] <sourcream> so its faster and might work
328[02:52:56] <sourcream> no idea how to do that though
329[02:52:57] <trek00> but it really depends by the type of attack (distributed or flood) and what you are trying to protect (bandwidth, cpu time)
330[02:53:06] <sourcream> yeah distributed
331[02:53:21] <sourcream> and cpu yea
332[02:54:21] <trek00> sourcream: if earch ip address makes only one request, the only way to save cpu time is to install a reverse proxy i think
333[02:54:39] <sourcream> there is like 50 requests per seconds per ip
334[02:55:38] <trek00> sourcream: how many requests per second you get as legitimate traffic?
335[02:55:55] <sourcream> Probably few per second at the best
336[02:56:02] <sourcream> trek00,
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338[02:56:22] <trek00> sourcream: well ratelimiting should be ok for that
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342[02:57:49] <sourcream> trek00, I tried ip tables rate limit without much success
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347[02:58:42] <trek00> sourcream: check the fix #3
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350[02:59:40] <sourcream> trek00, il try that
351[02:59:41] <sourcream> let me see
352[02:59:55] <trek00> sourcream: you need the limit per source ip
353[03:00:00] <sourcream> yeah
354[03:00:47] <trek00> sourcream: you could set 30/sec as limit
355[03:01:42] <sourcream> trek00, I wonder can the application handle it. Basically the idea solution would be that the ip would get banned after certain limit to speed up the processing
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358[03:01:57] <sourcream> I tried the recent module ratelimit but CPU usage went so high
359[03:02:05] <trek00> sourcream: also make sure to have nf_conntrack_max big enough
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362[03:05:22] <trek00> sourcream: if many rules needs to be checked, it consumes cpu, if many connections, it consumes ram
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364[03:05:39] <sourcream> trek00, hmm
365[03:06:09] <sourcream> trek00, is there any way to ban ip based on rate limit?
366[03:06:11] <sourcream> without using fail2ban
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368[03:06:47] <trek00> sourcream: the link i sent you, the fix #3 is using hashlimit, it does not need fail2ban and it should be fast
369[03:07:27] <sourcream> trek00, I will try that, but the ratelimit i tried already uses recent, I did some googling and they said that recent should be faster than hashlimit
370[03:07:32] <sourcream> but i dont know :/
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373[03:08:37] <trek00> sourcream: may be you should lower the limits
374[03:08:57] <sourcream> trek00, I had it 3 requests per second
375[03:09:00] <sourcream> when I tried
376[03:09:09] <sourcream> hmm
377[03:09:30] <trek00> sourcream: what is the bandwidth, just to get an idea?
378[03:09:47] <sourcream> trek00, I am not actually sure but its dedicated server in OVH
379[03:09:55] <sourcream> so ig it should be okay
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382[03:10:29] <trek00> sourcream: or better, what this says? sysctl --values net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_count
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384[03:11:00] <sourcream> 30
385[03:11:02] <sourcream> was the output
386[03:11:34] <trek00> sourcream: you should not get high cpu usage
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388[03:11:57] <sourcream> trek00, hmm
389[03:11:59] <trek00> sourcream: fail2ban creates may firewall rules, it may be this
390[03:12:23] <sourcream> trek00, does the CPU usage depend on incoming packets per second?
391[03:12:24] <sourcream> right
392[03:12:56] <trek00> sourcream: yes, number of packets * number of rules
393[03:13:15] <sourcream> oh yeah I see
394[03:13:22] <sourcream> I wish I could use ipsets
395[03:13:39] <sourcream> but I need to add the ips to blacklist based on rate limit
396[03:15:11] <trek00> sourcream: if you disable fail2ban and try again with hashlimit or recent it should be fine
397[03:15:27] <trek00> sourcream: but you need to flush all the fail2ban iptables rules
398[03:15:37] <sourcream> replaced-url
399[03:15:42] <sourcream> wait this is the exact problem
400[03:15:49] <sourcream> Looks like there might be solution, il read it quick
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402[03:17:46] <trek00> sourcream: i think blacklists are slower than rate-limiting, but you need to test with your environment
403[03:18:17] <trek00> even when using ipsets
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407[03:19:03] <sourcream> Need to do some testing i think
408[03:19:13] <sourcream> thanks for the help however :)
409[03:19:18] <trek00> :)
410[03:20:15] <trek00> sourcream: about cpu usage, think about that an old 486 can handle thousands of connections via iptables usually
411[03:20:36] <trek00> if not, may be it is not an ideal solution
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553[05:14:55] <dgriffi> Is there a definitive guide on how to enable virtual consoles and keep them enabled?
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555[05:16:22] <dgriffi> simply editing /etc/systemd/logind.conf doesn't work
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558[05:18:34] <dgriffi> anyone?
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565[05:25:32] <SerajewelKS> !doesn't work
566[05:25:32] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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568[05:26:17] <SerajewelKS> what are you doing after editing that file to apply the changes?
569[05:26:45] <SerajewelKS> and what are the new contents of the file?
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574[05:28:58] <somiaj> what do you mean by keep them enabled? they should spawn when you switch to them.
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577[05:32:22] <dgriffi> for starters: sudo systemctl start getty@tty2.service blocks and no login appears at tty2
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581[05:35:22] <dgriffi> somiaj: the problem is that they don't spawn at all
582[05:36:22] <somiaj> Well by default they only spawn when you switch to them, but I'm not that familar with the full details on how to configure them.
583[05:36:43] <dgriffi> I do 'systemctl | grep getty@tty' and I see that they're "loaded inactive dead"
584[05:38:35] <somiaj> have you actually hit ctrl-alt-f2 (or so on), they are sockets so they only sawn when you switch to them
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586[05:38:51] <dgriffi> yes
587[05:38:51] <somiaj> though if you have changed things, it may not work this way anymore, I'm jsut describing the defaults.
588[05:39:10] <dgriffi> I switch to what should give me a login prompt, but I see a cursor and no response
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1006[10:26:07] <murii> How can I tell if I have Java oracle or open source installed?
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1008[10:26:22] <murii> asfaik it can be installed from two different sources
1009[10:26:54] <timur_davletshin> murii, java --version
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1016[10:28:15] <murii> timur_davletshin: right!
1017[10:28:18] <murii> thank you
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1022[10:29:24] <timur_davletshin> murii, 👍
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1031[10:35:23] <annadane> what do people typically use for notifications that a package has been uploaded to stable-backports or that the existing version in backports has been upgraded?
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1036[10:37:36] <annadane> i guess just have an rss to a specific tracker.debian.org page
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1043[10:41:33] <jomofcw> Hello !
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1047[10:44:14] <jomofcw> I'm on a Debian 10, but I need a Debian 8 to make some test (with the old PHP5). i've made a chroot based on debian 8 and installed/setup the required and all seems to run well. But now when I tryed to display the default index.html of apache calling "myServerIP:8080" it doesn't display anything than a browser error "can't reach the URL" :/... I guess that I may made some... "link" between my
1048[10:44:15] <jomofcw> "IP" and the chroot... that is trully unclear for me :s... any idea to fix it, please ?
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1057[10:48:24] <BCMM> jomofcw: so do you have apache running inside the chroot, or what?
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1078[10:56:42] <bern> jomofcw: have you tried using Docker for this use case?
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1119[11:19:03] <jomofcw> BCMM Hello ! Sorry for the delay I was AFK. Yes I've installed a full LAMP environment in the CHROOT
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1121[11:19:15] <BCMM> jomofcw: ok, but is apache *running*?
1122[11:19:17] <jomofcw> And i've changed the apache configuration to listen on 8080 port.
1123[11:19:25] <BCMM> jomofcw: usually the chroot won't have an init system to start apache for you
1124[11:20:14] <jomofcw> BCMM to test it I've tried to restart it using "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" and it display me a green OK... so I conclude that he is running... right ?
1125[11:20:30] <BCMM> you did that inside the chroot?
1126[11:20:34] <jomofcw> Yep !
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1128[11:21:05] <BCMM> i'm not actually sure what that would do, to be honest
1129[11:21:13] <BCMM> i'm surprised it came back with "ok"
1130[11:22:47] <jomofcw> Hehe xD to be honest, that's the first time i'm working with a CHROOT, so I dunno more :x.
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1132[11:23:40] <jomofcw> This is what it display me (sorry for flooding) :
1133[11:23:41] <jomofcw> root@web-dev:/# /etc/init.d/apache2 start
1134[11:23:41] <jomofcw> [....] Starting apache2 (via systemctl): apache2.serviceRunning in chroot, ignoring request.
1135[11:23:41] <jomofcw> . ok
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1137[11:24:54] <BCMM> jomofcw: "Running in chroot, ignoring request"
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1139[11:25:21] <BCMM> you're going to want to start apache yourself, manually
1140[11:25:38] <jomofcw> OK... how can I achieve this :x ?
1141[11:25:41] <jomofcw> Please :D.
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1144[11:26:29] <jomofcw> root@web-dev:/# apachectl -k start
1145[11:26:29] <jomofcw> AH00557: apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for web-dev
1146[11:26:29] <jomofcw> AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
1147[11:26:29] <jomofcw> httpd (pid 761) already running
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1149[11:26:58] <BCMM> jomofcw: do you happen to have apache running outside the chroot too?
1150[11:28:08] <jomofcw> Yes. And it still fully functionnal (that's a web dev server running on a local network, i use it since years to manage my dev project)
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1152[11:28:41] <jomofcw> I access it on the port 8888 for the "main" apache.
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1155[11:31:14] <jomofcw> I've tried to change the port of the CHROOT apache to 8088 (to avoid any block on port 8080) but not better :/.
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1159[11:31:21] <BCMM> jomofcw: do you have /var/run/apache2.pid or similar in the chroot?
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1165[11:32:40] <jomofcw> Yes : 761
1166[11:33:02] <jomofcw> (in /var/run/apache2/apache2.pid)
1167[11:33:20] <jomofcw> (inside the chroot)
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1174[11:35:27] <BCMM> i'm not particularly familiar with how apachectl works
1175[11:35:50] <BCMM> but i *think* this is just a problem with apachectl inside the chroot, not a problem between the chroot and the main apache install
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1189[11:43:08] <jomofcw> BCMM perhaps :s.
1190[11:43:15] <jomofcw> Perhaps I may ask on apache channel.
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1199[11:53:32] <humpled> i think there's a misunderstanding of how system commands work in chroot
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1205[11:59:05] <jomofcw> humpled hello ! Probably...
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1208[12:00:44] <humpled> i'm not really familiar myself, just aware that this is one of the things i don't yet get about chroot
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1211[12:04:07] <jomofcw> OK xD
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1219[12:11:19] <BCMM> humpled: it's fairly straightforwards. the main thing to remember is that a chroot is not a VM or even a container: it is *only* a filesystem thing
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1221[12:11:51] <jomofcw> I agree.
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1223[12:12:08] <BCMM> so any communication apart from communication through the filesystem is not isolated
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1230[12:20:59] <jomofcw> Right too
1231[12:21:08] <jomofcw> that's why I can' understand what's wrong there :/.
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1248[12:34:57] <gry> does debian package replaced-url
1249[12:35:10] <uio> Hi, I tried to change my a user's name and did this : 'sudo usermod -l account guest' then 'sudo usermod -d /home/account -m account' then 'sudo groupmod -n account guest'. I'm in Buster XFCE. I logged out of my main account, and then tried to log into this changed one called 'account'. X started, but the display was black screen and white bar (due to the external monitor I think) and nothing would start up. I did ctrl-alt-del to logout. I
1250[12:35:10] <uio> tried enter via tty1. Startx started a DE in lxqt just fine. I then changed the name back to 'guest' and logged in, but the settings were not the same: ie wallpaper, plugins in firefox. What did I do wrong? Thanks.
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1275[13:01:46] <finn0> I've installed "Conky" package to get monitor system. But, when I trigger conky from command line it output three line and running command for indefinite time. Finally, I've to press cltr+c to terminate the command. output of command of command as follows:
1276[13:01:55] <finn0> conky: desktop window (400015) is subwindow of root window (f4)
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1278[13:02:03] <finn0> conky: window type - desktop
1279[13:02:11] <finn0> conky: drawing to created window (0x2a00001)
1280[13:02:40] <finn0> I'm missing something.
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1282[13:03:54] <finn0> I think Conky couldn't allocate a desktop window. That's why I don't see anything and command is keep running.
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1284[13:04:25] <ratrace> replaced-url
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1291[13:08:05] <duude__> Hello everyone
1292[13:08:11] <duude__> this might sound a bit stupid but uh
1293[13:08:18] <duude__> Where do I download a debian stable ISO?
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1295[13:08:37] <duude__> I went on debian's download website and i was shown a list of debian live isos with kde, xfce etc
1296[13:08:38] <themill> Rather big link on the front page
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1298[13:09:01] <duude__> oh, this network installer?
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1300[13:09:09] <duude__> I'm looking for an offline installer
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1302[13:09:31] <duude__> A larger complete installation image: contains more packages, making it easier to install machines without an Internet connection.
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1304[13:09:42] <duude__> I believe this is it? But I don't want a debian installation with bloat
1305[13:09:58] <duude__> "complete installation image" sounds like "we added a lot of bloat packages for you"
1306[13:10:02] <duude__> is it
1307[13:10:25] <themill> It installs what you ask it to
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1309[13:11:13] <dka> I am trying to test a port (telnet), ping, on a specific host from a local computer and a proxy and both can't contact, while the server is up and every netstat show all port open. Why ?
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1315[13:13:13] <ratrace> dka: what does the ping say?
1316[13:13:21] <ratrace> (use a pastebin pls)
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1318[13:14:33] <dka> `Request timeout for icmp_seq 2` and `4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss`
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1321[13:15:33] <ratrace> dka: are you sure that target host doesn't have those ports filtered? netstat won't tell you that. also, you can use mtr-tiny to trace and see where the packets stop going through
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1332[13:22:05] <finn0> ratrace: thanks, conky is working fine. Actual is problem conky window never show above another window and I was running terminal and some other applications in full screen one over another but, as soon as I minimize all window conky window is visible.
1333[13:23:00] <ratrace> awesome.
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1349[13:30:41] <chut> morning people. I have debian 10 and I installed metacity but it's not showing as login for windows manager. Can someone help?
1350[13:30:43] <chut> thanks
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1378[13:46:44] <duude__> what?!
1379[13:46:50] <duude__> debian supports s390x
1380[13:46:57] <duude__> you can run debian on IBM mainframes? bruh
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1387[13:50:00] <petn-randall> !arch
1388[13:50:00] <dpkg> from memory, arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at replaced-url
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1391[13:50:35] <abrotman> Is that meant to be a list of supported architectures?
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1397[13:53:30] <Habbie> abrotman, if it is, it's outdated/incomplete
1398[13:53:46] <abrotman> That's why I asked
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1404[13:55:05] <abrotman> Something like list should be "supported: ... debports: ..."
1405[13:55:26] <abrotman> (though, the debports list is rather long)
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1418[14:00:17] <duude__> Do you guys use debian netinst or live?
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1420[14:00:40] <duude__> to install debian
1421[14:00:48] <dvs> duude__, netinst always
1422[14:01:04] <dvs> duude__, live sometimes doesn't work for an install
1423[14:01:30] <duude__> dvs, does netinst give you the option to chooes partitions?
1424[14:01:31] <duude__> choose*
1425[14:01:38] <dvs> yes
1426[14:01:39] <duude__> because I'm multibooting debian along with 3 other OSes
1427[14:01:40] <duude__> awesome tanks
1428[14:01:42] <duude__> thanks*
1429[14:01:43] <Raven737> Hi, question, can I upgrade a Debian Wheezy directly to Buster or do I have to go through Jessie and Stretch?
1430[14:02:25] <dvs> Raven737, you have to go through Jessie
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1432[14:02:57] <Raven737> dvs and then directly to Buster or first Stretch?
1433[14:03:37] <dvs> Raven737, wheezy -> jessie -> stretch -> buster
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1435[14:04:38] <Raven737> dvs ok, uess no way to get around it. thanks!
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1437[14:04:50] <dvs> np
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1441[14:11:10] <dka> I am using pandoc to convert html to pdf and the command when finish keep the line, this is the command : `iconv -t utf-8 | pandoc -f html -t latex "$filename"` , how can I get the command line back after it ?
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1453[14:19:22] <EdePopede> dka: *your* command or do you mean the prompt? the command doesn't terminate or at least doesn't seem to?
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1460[14:22:40] <jomofcw> back about my problem of reaching an apache runing in a CHROOT : according to the apache's channel, it is not apache relative, but more like networking/DNS problem.
1461[14:22:47] <n_1-c_k> dka, my guess is that the 'iconv' command, preceding the '|', is waiting for stdin.
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1463[14:24:38] <jomofcw> For those we wasn'tthere previously :
1464[14:25:16] <jomofcw> I'm already running an apache2 on Debian 10 (on port 8888). For test purpose I need to run another one on a Debian 8, so I've create a CHROOT based on Debian 8 and installed apache2 in it (on port 8088). It seems to run properly; but I can't access the default index html from my webbrowser (it telle me that "it can't reach the website" - I still can access my "main" apache on port 8888). Any
1465[14:25:16] <jomofcw> idea what's wrong here, please ?
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1468[14:27:02] <EdePopede> jomofcw: to eliminate DNS, did you try with the IP? and does it show up in something like `lsof -i -P`?
1469[14:28:28] <dka> I try to use iconv but it is waiting for stdin, I have tried to pipe the output and use -o, how can I do ?
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1474[14:29:53] <dvs> dka, if you want to pipe into iconv then the pipe needs to be BEFORE the iconv command.
1475[14:30:16] <dka> I want to save the output of iconv
1476[14:30:19] <dka> or tu use it
1477[14:30:22] <EdePopede> dka: either `cat $file | $cmd` (not really) or `$cmd < $file` (better)
1478[14:30:54] <karlpinc> jomofcw: What do the logs say? What does 'ss -ltn' say?
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1480[14:31:08] <EdePopede> dka: if you want to save *and* use it at the same time you could use `tee` between iconv and pandoc
1481[14:31:45] <darxmurf> a user is telling me he can't double click on a folder to enter it following the upgrade stretch->buster...
1482[14:31:55] <darxmurf> already had something similar ?
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1492[14:41:19] <jomofcw> EdePopede hello ! Sorry was AFK :/. I access it only through the IP curently
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1497[14:42:57] <jomofcw> I see nothing relevant in 'lsof -i -P' (but Im' not sure to read it correctly :/).
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1499[14:43:25] <EdePopede> jomofcw: the config includes a hint to the hostname? and maybe you'd also need /etc/hostname and/or /etc/hosts in the chroot
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1502[14:44:36] <jomofcw> karlpinc hello ! in "ls -l" I can see the port used out of the CHROOT (8888) but not the one I use in the CHROOT (8088)...
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1504[14:45:01] <jomofcw> I'm not sure what yu call hostname in this context...
1505[14:45:19] <EdePopede> jomofcw: the lsof should show the apache with (LISTEN) state at the end of line
1506[14:46:11] <jomofcw> EdePopede OK ! So that's it : I see nothing relevant :/.
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1508[14:47:14] <karlpinc> jomofcw: So the apache logs should contain an error message with information.
1509[14:47:18] <EdePopede> jomofcw: the apache is definitely running?
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1519[14:57:33] <jomofcw> karlpinc : nothing in log, but as I can't see the port in all the listening you asked me, I'm not sure that he is really listening on it...
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1521[14:58:16] <jomofcw> EdePopede can't be sure :/... when I try to start it manually (using apachetl) it say me that it is already running... but I'm not sure he is listening on the right port :s.
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1524[14:59:46] <EdePopede> jomofcw: even if it stops there should be a hint in its errorlog
1525[15:00:35] <EdePopede> jomofcw: what happens if you start it from a shell?
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1527[15:01:01] <EdePopede> (there's -C iirc to tell it which config file to use)
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1535[15:05:27] <duude__> hello everyone
1536[15:05:29] <jomofcw> EdePopede, dunno if it's what you're asking for :
1537[15:05:40] <duude__> I'm installing debian right now, which partition scheme do you guys go for?
1538[15:05:45] <jomofcw> root@web-dev:/home# apachectl -k start
1539[15:05:45] <jomofcw> AH00557: apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for web-dev
1540[15:05:45] <jomofcw> AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message
1541[15:05:45] <jomofcw> httpd (pid 761) already running
1542[15:06:19] <duude__> I thought about putting /boot, and / to SSD, and /var and /home on my HDD
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1544[15:06:29] <dvs> duude__, it depends what you are going to use Debian for.
1545[15:06:37] <duude__> dvs, desktop
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1547[15:07:02] <duude__> I'm multiboting it though
1548[15:07:06] <duude__> with windows
1549[15:07:13] <duude__> It'll share the /data directory with it
1550[15:07:25] <dvs> duude__, for a desktop I'd put / on the SSD and /home on the HDD
1551[15:07:27] <duude__> I'll format it as exFAT
1552[15:07:38] <jomofcw> OK get it working EdePopede !
1553[15:07:44] <EdePopede> \o/
1554[15:07:47] <EdePopede> what was it?
1555[15:07:50] <duude__> dvs,/var on hdd too?
1556[15:07:54] <jomofcw> When I lauch it using "apachectl -f /path/to/your/httpd.conf".
1557[15:08:00] <duude__> because it wastes ssd life
1558[15:08:02] <dvs> duude__, I wouldn't use too many partitions
1559[15:08:15] <duude__> Why not?
1560[15:08:31] <EdePopede> ah so it as probably using the wrong config and didn't start because the other one was already blocking the port
1561[15:08:33] <jomofcw> But now I need to get how I may set it to be launched automaticaly at start, and using the right httpd.conf
1562[15:08:43] <dvs> duude__, because it's always the case that one of the partitions fills up and then system becomes unusuable
1563[15:09:00] <jomofcw> Hu² now it's my main apache that I can't rich anymore :/...
1564[15:09:02] <duude__> I see
1565[15:09:27] <EdePopede> jomofcw: ... oops. seems you've just killed the normal one
1566[15:09:34] <jomofcw> Yea xD.
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1569[15:09:59] <EdePopede> i guess as long as you don't tell it which config to use, everything will be related to the normal one
1570[15:10:05] <jomofcw> I think that apachectl control only the main one...
1571[15:10:14] <EdePopede> how did you start the one in the chroot? from inside the chroot?
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1575[15:11:32] <jomofcw> EdePopede yes. In fact I've just installed it, and the tryed to run it using apachectl
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1577[15:11:44] <EdePopede> jomofcw: that's why i usually go barebone as soon as i understand enough of how it works under the hood and add all these layers one by one. would mean doing something like `/usr/bin/apache -c $conffile` or whatever everything is named (don't have it installed atm) and then first check if it runs
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1580[15:13:10] <EdePopede> i'm not sure how a 2nd instance would autostart, at least with init.d
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1582[15:13:46] <jomofcw> Yea me too :/
1583[15:14:02] <jomofcw> I've got no "apache" or anything similar in "/usr/bin"
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1586[15:15:15] <EdePopede> this may help, though work in progress replaced-url
1587[15:15:36] <EdePopede> jomofcw: httpd[2] maybe, don't even remember this one :o
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1589[15:15:48] <EdePopede> ,f httpd
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1593[15:17:51] <EdePopede> /usr/sbin/apache2 as of replaced-url
1594[15:18:02] <duude__> dvs, how do you partition your debian install?
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1596[15:18:10] <EdePopede> though in the shell tabbing may be the fastest method
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1598[15:18:34] <dvs> duude__, one / and one /home
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1600[15:18:50] <duude__> where do you put home? on your hdd or ssd?
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1602[15:19:18] <dvs> duude__, they are both on my SSD
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1604[15:19:48] <duude__> hm
1605[15:19:57] <duude__> I'll then do the same
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1608[15:20:42] <duude__> I'll put / and /boot on my ssd, and on the whole hdd /data
1609[15:20:46] <duude__> for like music etc
1610[15:21:04] <dvs> duude__, are you sharing the /data partition?
1611[15:21:07] <dvs> with Windows
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1613[15:21:20] <duude__> I am, I'll format it as exFAT
1614[15:21:28] <duude__> Debian has issues working with ntfs
1615[15:21:32] <duude__> but exfat is fine iirc
1616[15:21:45] <duude__> windows can't handle ext4 at all
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1625[15:26:07] <jomofcw> back
1626[15:26:12] <jomofcw> EdePopede i give it a look
1627[15:26:27] <MTB2019> hi. i have no sound. i checked alsamixer and looks ok. can anyone assistn me?
1628[15:27:01] <greycat> when you say "looks ok", did you actually un-mute *and* raise the volume on the master channel?
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1631[15:28:52] <MTB2019> greycat: replaced-url
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1633[15:30:01] <greycat> ←c2383a974395.png" width="1246" height="840" alt="Screenshot">_________
1634[15:30:09] <greycat> ... so I guess that was supposed to be an image
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1636[15:30:34] <MTB2019> greycat: replaced-url
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1644[15:33:44] <MTB2019> greycat: its a print screen of my current settings
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1698[16:05:17] <jelly> duude__: does linux work with exfat these days?
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1702[16:06:04] <duude__> jelly, i changed my mind
1703[16:06:11] <duude__> I won't do exFAT because no journaling
1704[16:06:13] <duude__> I'll go with ntfs
1705[16:06:22] <duude__> but it does work indeed
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1715[16:09:30] <Habbie> jelly, debian ships a fuse exfat driver, apparently
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1729[16:14:48] <jelly> ntfs usually worked for me, but if there is a need for a fsck that needs to be done from windows
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1749[16:26:02] <mosasaur> how do I create a drop target? Like drag some (image) url over an icon(?) and have it open the image in a viewer
1750[16:26:55] <mosasaur> a bit like dropping a file into a folder, but instead it opens the image
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1752[16:27:32] <jhutchins_wk> mosasaur: Usually you set a handler for images and just double-click the item.
1753[16:28:05] <mosasaur> jhutchins_wk: the image is an url in my browser
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1755[16:28:26] <jhutchins_wk> Then the browser should handle it.
1756[16:28:34] <mosasaur> or maybe even just a string in my paste buffer
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1758[16:28:42] <greycat> now I'm *really* confused.
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1761[16:29:07] <mosasaur> jhutchins_wk: I don't want the browser tho handle it, my image viewers have more options
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1765[16:29:38] <mosasaur> also, I want to do other stuff in between, like automatically save it somewhere
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1768[16:30:02] <greycat> So you actually want to operate on *URLs* not on raw image data that's copied to the clipboard?
1769[16:30:14] <mosasaur> greycat: yes
1770[16:31:03] <greycat> Easiest way (imho): you can easily copy the URL to the clipboard just by clicking on it in the browser's URL bar. Once the URL is in the clipboard, you can bind a keystroke at the WM level to run any program you want, and that program can read the URL out of the clipboard.
1771[16:31:15] <mosasaur> I had a tkinter script do that, but it has to be started first, what I want now, is just some icon on my desk reacting as a drop target
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1774[16:31:29] <greycat> You could also use a shell function/alias if you prefer a command over a WM key binding.
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1777[16:33:02] <mosasaur> greycat: yea thanks, I could use some nautilus action for that, kind of forgot about that idea. But now I still want to do it via an icon :P
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1783[16:34:28] <greycat> I don't even know what an "icon" is... is it implemented by the window manager? Some kind of toplevel window, I imagine, it must be, but...
1784[16:35:32] <greycat> The only icons in my window manager are for minimized windows. Double-clicking them restores the window. I have no knowledge of other kinds of icons or how they work or how to implement features using them.
1785[16:35:49] <mosasaur> greycat: for example folder icons, I don't think, say some file, is actually put in the copy/paste buffer, what is dropped on the folder icon is just it's location
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1787[16:36:14] <greycat> My window manager does not implement Microsoft-Windows-style trash cans or standalone file-folders.
1788[16:36:41] <mosasaur> greycat: but surely you must know the concept :p
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1790[16:37:05] <greycat> I don't know how that concept would *work* in a WM-agnostic way. I suspect it cannot.
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1792[16:38:16] <duude__> o/ al
1793[16:38:16] <mosasaur> well, since I already have committed to letting nautilus (but in my case nemo) handle the desktop I'm OK with being gnostic
1794[16:38:22] <duude__> do any of you guys use encryption for your debian?
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1799[16:39:16] <anddam> howdy
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1801[16:40:40] <anddam> I remember there are two commands for displaying last succesful logins and last bad login attemps, I cannot remember their names (3 or 4 letter names, similar with a single different letter) and apropos did not help
1802[16:40:45] <anddam> any hint?
1803[16:41:15] <greycat> anddam: last, lastb
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1807[16:43:38] <anddam> greycat: thanks
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1809[16:44:07] <anddam> "apropos logged" would have done the trick
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1816[16:50:12] <Chunkyz> snapshit.debian down?
1817[16:50:18] <Chunkyz> snapshot*
1818[16:50:21] <Chunkyz> sorry, typo.
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1820[16:50:39] <mikejw> is python 3 the default in buster?
1821[16:50:42] <greycat> !snapshots
1822[16:50:42] <dpkg> replaced-url
1823[16:50:50] <Chunkyz> greycat, The connection has timed out
1824[16:50:50] <greycat> Not down.
1825[16:50:57] <greycat> Loaded for me just now.
1826[16:52:03] <Habbie> mikejw, /usr/bin/python is python 2 in buster
1827[16:52:20] <mikejw> ah ok, thanks
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1839[16:59:29] <dashs> Where is /lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin ?
1840[17:00:14] <greycat> ,file ucode_load.bin
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1843[17:00:20] <judd> Search for ucode_load.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/nvidia/gm200/acr/ucode_load.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gm204/acr/ucode_load.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gm206/acr/ucode_load.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gm20b/acr/ucode_load.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/acr/ucode_load.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gp102/acr/ucode_load.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gp104/acr/ucode_load.bin,
1844[17:00:21] <judd> lib/firmware/nvidia/gp106/acr/ucode_load.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gp107/acr/ucode_load.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gp108/acr/ucode_load.bin, lib/firmware/nvidia/gp10b/acr/ucode_load.bin
1845[17:00:40] <greycat> ,file gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin
1846[17:00:44] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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1848[17:02:33] <jelly> judd, file gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin --release buster-backports
1849[17:02:34] <judd> Search for gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin in buster-backports/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin
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1853[17:03:32] <jelly> dashs: you'll have to enable backports repo and apt -t buster-backports install from there.
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1855[17:03:50] <greycat> replaced-url
1856[17:03:54] <jelly> dashs: assuming you're using Debian 10 (buster)
1857[17:03:54] <dashs> thanx
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1891[17:27:37] <dashs> firmware-misc-nonfree is already the newest version (20190114-2).
1892[17:28:10] <dashs> Should I remove firmware-misc-nonfree first?
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1894[17:29:07] <somiaj> It shouldn't hurt anything ot have it installed
1895[17:29:12] <greycat> is that the version in -backports?
1896[17:29:20] <greycat> ,v firmware-misc-nonfree
1897[17:29:21] <judd> Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2
1898[17:29:28] <greycat> It is not.
1899[17:29:45] <somiaj> dashs: did you follow jelly's instructions on adding -t buster-backports to install the backports version?
1900[17:29:49] <greycat> It means you did not follow the instructions you were given for installing a package from buster-backports.
1901[17:30:18] <greycat> Just adding the repository is *not* enough.
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1909[17:34:40] <dashs> Instructions say to run apt update afterward, did that. Then install, that does not work
1910[17:35:28] <somiaj> dashs: did you follow jelly's instructions on adding -t buster-backports to install the backports version?
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1912[17:36:04] <dashs> yes
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1914[17:36:14] <greycat> The instructions literally say:
1915[17:36:15] <greycat> All backports are deactivated by default (i.e. the packages are pinned to 100 by using ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes in the Release files. If you want to install something from backports run:
1916[17:36:19] <greycat> apt-get -t buster-backports install "package"
1917[17:37:02] <somiaj> dashs: what is the exact command you typed
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1921[17:39:41] <dashs> apt-get -t buster-backports install firmware-misc-nonfree
1922[17:40:48] <dashs> (as root)
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1938[17:48:58] <jelly> dashs: perhaps you skipped an "apt-get update" step after adding repo but before attempting to install. Pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy firmware-misc-nonfree"
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1940[17:49:23] <jelly> there is no need to remove the current one.
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1958[18:07:13] <greycat> dashs: when you added the line in sources.list, did you include " contrib non-free"?
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1971[18:17:11] <jelly> dashs: it seems only your main repo has "main contrib non-free". You'll want to set that for the security and buster-updates and buster-backports as well for consistency.
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2025[18:50:29] <dashs> Sorry out-of-area for a while. Did not add 'non-free' to backports, my oops
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2027[18:50:50] <dashs> Installs fine. Will reboot....
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2048[19:05:32] <backupluis> Hi, Im trying to install a printer and when install cups I have an error on cups-ipp-utils_2.2.10-6_amd64.deb NOT FOUND, Im not too prof on linux and on Debian 10
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2050[19:06:19] <greycat> backupluis: try "apt-get update", and then "apt-get install cups-ipp-utils"
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2052[19:07:24] <backupluis> Got this error: After this operation, 1,104 kB of additional disk space will be used.
2053[19:07:24] <backupluis> Ign:1 replaced-url
2054[19:07:24] <backupluis> Err:1 replaced-url
2055[19:07:24] <backupluis> 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.216.204 80]
2056[19:07:24] <backupluis> E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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2058[19:08:00] <greycat> I'm guessing that's from *before* apt-get update, because of course he wouldn't read my response before pasting his errors.
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2060[19:08:08] <greycat> backupluis: try "apt-get update", and then "apt-get install cups-ipp-utils"
2061[19:08:28] <greycat> the version in buster is now 2.2.10-6+deb10u1
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2063[19:09:23] <backupluis> And what I have to do to on this debian to use .10-6+deb1u1
2064[19:09:43] <greycat> Run "apt-get update".
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2066[19:10:00] <backupluis> already done "apt-get update" many times
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2068[19:10:28] <jelly> backupluis: did it finish without any apparent errors?
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2071[19:11:12] <backupluis> yes, no errors, just and advice about --upgreadables related to mono and libmono
2072[19:11:42] <jelly> backupluis: okay. then pastebin the outputs of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy cups-ipp-utils"
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2074[19:12:05] <jelly> backupluis: and also as complete output of the last apt-get update as you can get
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2076[19:12:19] <jelly> all in one paste, preferably on paste.debian.net
2077[19:12:37] <jelly> if you don't use an English locale,
2078[19:12:42] <jelly> !localized errors
2079[19:12:42] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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2084[19:15:49] <backupluis> Here we go: replaced-url
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2086[19:17:07] <jelly> ,v cups-ipp-utils
2087[19:17:08] <judd> Package: cups-ipp-utils on amd64 -- stretch-security: 2.2.1-8+deb9u2; stretch: 2.2.1-8+deb9u4; buster: 2.2.10-6+deb10u1; bullseye: 2.3.0-3; sid: 2.3.0-5
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2093[19:19:05] <greycat> the mix of "stable" and "buster" across different sources is disturbing. almost as disturbing as seeing "Oracle Corporation"
2094[19:19:45] <greycat> not sure whether "Oracle Corporation" is the most disturbing, or the second most, since there's also "microsoft.com" in there.
2095[19:19:50] <backupluis> Ohhhh, I never touch source list, only just to add vscode, mono, skype, and so on, but never to touch anything about debian
2096[19:19:58] <greycat> "only just"
2097[19:20:05] <backupluis> only just, hehehehee,
2098[19:20:24] <greycat> "all I did was add as many evil external repositories as I could think of, what's the big deal"
2099[19:20:25] <backupluis> I came from debian9 and make a distupgrade some time ago
2100[19:20:58] <backupluis> But I thought that add external repos didn't alter debian repos
2101[19:21:10] <backupluis> Im not prof on debian, sorry, I have a lot to learn yet
2102[19:21:12] <jelly> backupluis: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list as well.
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2105[19:21:37] <jelly> evil external repos would not make a version from debian.org disappear.
2106[19:22:17] <backupluis> Here: replaced-url
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2108[19:22:43] <jelly> Debian is supposed to be a "universal operating system". Being able to add as much evil as desired is a FEATURE
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2110[19:23:07] <greycat> you must have a bunch more in sources.list.d then
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2112[19:24:07] <greycat> anyway, I would definitely remove the ones that say "stable" since at best they are duplicates of the ones that say "buster", and at worst, they will cause an unexpected premature partial upgrade to bullseye in a few years
2113[19:24:24] <backupluis> Here: all that I added to soutces.list.d
2114[19:24:25] <backupluis> replaced-url
2115[19:24:37] <jelly> backupluis: it probably won't help, but try removing lines 20-31 or so
2116[19:24:58] <backupluis> Really I dont remember to touch source.list
2117[19:25:02] <greycat> I'd also remove all the commented-out lines, especially the ones for cdroms from previous releases.
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2124[19:30:22] <jelly> backupluis: I guess it's possible something is feeding you old content from deb.debian.org redirector.
2125[19:30:26] <jelly> !which deb.debian.org
2126[19:30:27] <dpkg> To work out which CDN you are using through deb.debian.org: dig +short srv _http._tcp.deb.debian.org
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2129[19:32:07] <jelly> backupluis: can you pastebin the output of: curl -IL replaced-url
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2131[19:33:14] <backupluis> 302 Found Location: cdn-fastly.deb.....
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2133[19:33:48] <backupluis> Do you need all the output?
2134[19:34:06] <jelly> the whole thing please. (timestamp and size of the file are most interesting right now)
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2136[19:34:27] <backupluis> I remove all from source.list then remove all from source.list.d do apt upgrade then install cups-ipp.utils and the same same error
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2139[19:34:55] <backupluis> Here: replaced-url
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2142[19:36:11] <jelly> that matches what I'm seeing, and there's a newer cups-ipp-utils in it
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2144[19:36:53] <Eightynine> When I open two or more tabs Firefox temporarily stops responding or even crashing. Is that possible to fix that?
2145[19:37:38] <jelly> backupluis: which version does this show? curl -L replaced-url
2146[19:38:16] <backupluis> Version: 2.2.10-6+deb10u1
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2149[19:39:01] <jelly> right
2150[19:39:38] <backupluis> Actual source.list and output for install replaced-url
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2152[19:40:59] <jelly> backupluis: and what does this say: "ls -ld /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-amd64_Packages"
2153[19:41:00] <backupluis> Clean source.list remove all from source.list.d do update, do upgrade and do install cups-ipp-utils, all ok but the last one with the same error
2154[19:41:25] <backupluis> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44521418 Jul 3 10:57 /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-amd64_Packages
2155[19:41:33] <greycat> ... July 3.
2156[19:41:34] <jelly> backupluis: that is very, very old
2157[19:41:43] <greycat> Why does it say July 3.
2158[19:41:44] <jelly> so apt-get update lies about having done its job
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2161[19:42:09] <jelly> backupluis: is your /var on some weird filesystem type?
2162[19:42:15] <greycat> "oh, did I mention that I mounted a special readonly file system on /var/lib/apt that swallows writes and feeds back old data?"
2163[19:42:31] <jelly> don't rush it! :-)
2164[19:43:22] <backupluis> No, I didnt do anything with the file system, was a debian 9 install then upgraded to 10
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2166[19:43:53] <jelly> backupluis: can you do a "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-amd64_Packages" and does the file disappear?
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2168[19:44:16] <jelly> it's safe to delete it.
2169[19:44:21] <backupluis> But is there any thing that I can do to check why this file is so old?
2170[19:44:30] <backupluis> before delete
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2172[19:44:47] <jelly> you probably have other old Packages files in there.
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2176[19:45:30] <MTB2019> my screensaver in lxde in set to suspend after 15 minutes and does not. it only locks screen. any clue /.?
2177[19:45:35] <backupluis> replaced-url
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2179[19:45:53] <backupluis> Files on /var/lib/apt/lists
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2184[19:47:37] <jelly> so only buster-updates and security (buster/updates) have been refreshed recently, others are probably outdated
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2186[19:47:59] <jelly> curiouser and curiouser
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2189[19:48:25] <jelly> I'd have expected a read-only whole filesystem or all the files there, not only some
2190[19:48:39] <jelly> and apt-get update _complaining_
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2192[19:48:57] <greycat> that's why I threw in the clause about swallowing writes
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2196[19:49:19] <greycat> I don't actually know of any such file systems, but it's the set of features that would be required to lead to this state.
2197[19:49:30] <jelly> backupluis: so does that rm work? Delete deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_source_Sources instead if you want.
2198[19:49:45] <backupluis> Let me do it
2199[19:50:28] <jelly> backupluis: but if you do what we'll have to check "apt-cache showsrc cups" instead of "apt-cache policy cups-ipp-utils"
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2203[19:50:34] <jelly> do that*
2204[19:51:12] <backupluis> Ok, I not deleted any file yet, let me know what I do first
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2206[19:51:25] <jelly> try delete the Packages file.
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2208[19:51:41] <jelly> then check with ls whether it's deleted
2209[19:52:06] <jelly> then do an update again and see if it's refreshed
2210[19:52:13] <backupluis> This one: /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-amd64_Packages
2211[19:52:20] <jelly> yes
2212[19:52:22] <jelly> also!
2213[19:52:39] <jelly> backupluis: what's the time on your computer right now? "date"
2214[19:52:51] <backupluis> Wed 25 Sep 2019 02:52:44 PM -03
2215[19:53:00] <backupluis> First file deleted
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2221[19:54:49] <backupluis> File removed, dont exist anymore
2222[19:55:06] <jelly> ok. now. reboot, and see if it still doesn't exist
2223[19:55:40] <backupluis> OMG, ghost file, ok, I see you in a moment, will reboot
2224[19:56:12] <jelly> new theory: sightly dead SSD in read-only failure mode, and VFS sometimes showing new files, sometimes reading old from disk
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2227[19:56:50] <backupluis> No ssd here and no error from the filesystem, will be back after reboot
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2229[19:57:02] <MTB2019> my screensaver in lxde in set to suspend after 15 minutes and does not. it only locks screen. any clue /.?
2230[19:57:24] <jelly> (but that would probably result in an inconsistent filesystem soon, rather than just pretending this specific set of files is immutable
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2240[19:59:31] <jelly> greycat: i don't know of any either, but people have come in here with all sorts of weird symptoms on btrfs
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2242[19:59:59] <greycat> yeah, some sort of weird corruption is a thing I can't rule out
2243[20:00:07] <jelly> ok, most were "disk full when df says there's space"
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2246[20:00:45] <backupluis> After reboot, '/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-amd64_Packages': No such file or directory
2247[20:00:56] <backupluis> No ghost here, hehehee
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2249[20:01:25] <jelly> backupluis: eh. Simple workaround: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*.* and do an update again
2250[20:01:33] <backupluis> Ok
2251[20:02:07] <jelly> a rare situation where using *.* makes sense on linux :-)
2252[20:02:47] <backupluis> This time update take long time downloading data
2253[20:02:51] <jelly> good
2254[20:03:23] <jelly> another weird thing was, there were no Packages files for any of third party repos there
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2256[20:03:42] <backupluis> And finally cups-utils install fine
2257[20:04:02] <jelly> backupluis: what does ls -la /var/lib/apt/lists/ look like now?
2258[20:04:46] <backupluis> replaced-url
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2260[20:05:37] <jelly> none of your weird repos got their update, did you disable them?
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2262[20:06:02] <backupluis> I removed all from source.list.d
2263[20:06:34] <jelly> okay then. But you won't get (potential security) updates for vscode and others.
2264[20:06:44] <backupluis> Now I have 105 upgradable packages, most from system and most to +deb10u1
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2266[20:07:00] <jelly> that'd be 10.1 point release for buster
2267[20:07:03] <backupluis> I will restore my weirds packages later
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2269[20:07:41] <jelly> !not available
2270[20:07:41] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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2272[20:08:11] <Starhowl> Can someone tell me, why I can't extract the archive for node.js, a requirement for teleirc?
2273[20:08:13] <jelly> ^ to get a rough list of packages from weird sources, or that don't exist in Debian but used to
2274[20:08:28] <SerajewelKS> is there some reason that qemu in debian doesn't support iscsi?
2275[20:08:42] <SerajewelKS> it's documented in the manpage but fails with "unknown protocol 'iscsi'"
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2278[20:09:23] <jelly> SerajewelKS: maybe there's extra functionality in an additional binary package not yet installed?
2279[20:09:23] <Starhowl> replaced-url
2280[20:09:33] <backupluis> My weird list are: vscode, skype, virtual box, mono, opera, nothing that supouse to alter debian
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2282[20:09:50] <SerajewelKS> jelly: it's a build-time option which means the debian package was compiled without it
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2284[20:10:13] <jelly> SerajewelKS: debian packages binaries from single source in multiple .deb sometimes.
2285[20:10:41] <jelly> SerajewelKS: verify that your thing isn't in some other qemu package you don't have installed right now
2286[20:10:51] <jelly> apt-cache search qemu iscsi ?
2287[20:10:53] <SerajewelKS> right but it's not a separate binary AIUI, it's compiled in to qemu-system
2288[20:11:15] <SerajewelKS> jelly: i've already done that, there's nothing relevant
2289[20:11:23] <jelly> ,i qemu-block-extra
2290[20:11:24] <judd> Package qemu-block-extra (otherosfs, optional) in buster/amd64: extra block backend modules for qemu-system and qemu-utils. Version: 1:3.1+dfsg-8~deb10u1; Size: 115.1k; Installed: 302k; Homepage: replaced-url
2291[20:11:34] <jelly> ahem.
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2293[20:11:44] <backupluis> Well, Thank you jelly and greycat for your help
2294[20:11:46] <SerajewelKS> hmm
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2296[20:12:07] <jelly> SerajewelKS: now, I don't know what's in there, but I do know what "block devices" are
2297[20:12:09] <SerajewelKS> jelly: of course the description doesn't mention iscsi so it wouldn't come up in a search... :/
2298[20:12:23] <jelly> SerajewelKS: it DOES appear in apt-cache search qemu iscsi
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2300[20:12:41] <SerajewelKS> jelly: i only have one result: ipxe-qemu - PXE boot firmware - ROM images for qemu
2301[20:13:09] <jelly> SerajewelKS: your sources.list may be incomplete.
2302[20:13:11] <jelly> !bat
2303[20:13:11] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2304[20:13:12] <SerajewelKS> tried on buster and stretch
2305[20:13:18] <jelly> ,v qemu-block-extra
2306[20:13:19] <judd> Package: qemu-block-extra on amd64 -- stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u8; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u8; buster: 1:3.1+dfsg-8~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u2; buster-security: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u2; bullseye: 1:4.1-1; sid: 1:4.1-1+b1
2307[20:13:24] <SerajewelKS> jelly: "apt-cache show qemu-block-extra" does display the package, yes
2308[20:13:59] <jelly> oh. Sorry, my bad! That was only in "apt-cache search qemu"
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2310[20:14:05] <SerajewelKS> ahhh
2311[20:14:21] <jelly> best file a bug report with patches for Description! ;-)
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2314[20:14:31] <jelly> (IFF your thing is in there)
2315[20:14:31] <SerajewelKS> i glanced through that list as well but must have skipped over that package. regardless, thanks for pointing that package out. i would not have found it.
2316[20:15:24] <SerajewelKS> i even googled "debian qemu iscsi" and pretty much just got manpages
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2320[20:16:06] <jelly> qemu-block-extra: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qemu/block-iscsi.so (I'm still on 32bit, don't sue)
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2323[20:16:24] <Starhowl> (Problem resolved in my case.)
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2325[20:16:44] <jelly> Starhowl: what was wrong
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2327[20:17:19] <Starhowl> Don't know, lol
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2330[20:17:31] <jelly> an extra z in tar options instead of J or nothing, probably
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2332[20:18:48] <ALowther> Why is Exim enabled, by default, as a boot process for fresh Debian installs?
2333[20:19:01] <greycat> because you installed something that brought in an MTA
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2335[20:20:01] <jelly> often the culprit is something Recommends cron, which in turn Recommends a(ny) MTA
2336[20:20:18] <jelly> ALowther: "aptitude why exim4-daemon-light"
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2338[20:20:30] <ALowther> greycat: Hmmm, maybe it is the VPS I am using. I've not installed any packages since install.
2339[20:20:31] <greycat> the real question is, what's wrong with having exim running? why does this bother you?
2340[20:20:42] <jelly> will not tell you why it's starting, but it may point to why it's installed
2341[20:21:01] <ALowther> jelly: It doesn't look like it comes with aptitude.
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2344[20:21:13] <jelly> ALowther: you'll have to install aptitude for that command to run :-)
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2346[20:21:53] <ALowther> greycat: I don't know if it bothers me. Just curious for learning reasons. Will anything, by default, break if I don't have an MTA? Obviously I'll need it to send or receive email, but if I don't plan on doing that from this VPS—why do I need an MTA?
2347[20:22:16] <jelly> ALowther: but in general, if there's a reasonable safe default config for a service to run, Debian will enable the service by default
2348[20:22:36] <greycat> cron, at, and various other services will attempt to email you (locally), and they need an MTA to do this
2349[20:22:36] <jelly> when it's installed.
2350[20:23:12] <jelly> exim listening on localhost only and delivering to local mbox only is reasonably safe.
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2353[20:25:00] <greycat> you'll also probably want an MTA installed and configured for outgoing mail if you ever want to send bug reports from this system
2354[20:25:50] <jelly> I'd told reportbug can do SMTP on its own these days, directly to the right smtp server
2355[20:26:07] <jelly> I'm*
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2357[20:26:48] <ALowther> Awesome—that is some of the context I was hoping for. Thank you.
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2359[20:27:15] <jelly> d is not close to m at all! /me retires
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2361[20:27:57] <somiaj> just enjoy becoming senial
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2363[20:28:37] <greycat> that's an upcoming ubuntu version, right? senial sealion?
2364[20:28:58] <Habbie> the word i think y'all are looking for is senile
2365[20:28:59] <ALowther> somiaj: That is either a really fun pun or a perfect time to misspell senile
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2375[20:31:57] <jelly> somiaj: ... for the day
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2380[20:33:00] <Eightynine> When I'm starting Firefox from terminal I see this: "(firefox-esr:6465): Gtk-WARNING **: 21:00:18.747: Theme parsing error: <data>:1:34: Expected ')' in color definition" How to fix this?
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2382[20:33:46] <greycat> figure out what "theme" has this error, and fix it or remove it
2383[20:33:54] <jelly> Eightynine: you also have an option to ignore the message
2384[20:34:19] <jelly> if everything appears to work
2385[20:35:00] <greycat> presumably :1:34 are line and column values, but it would be enormously more helpful if it also gave a filename...
2386[20:35:12] <somiaj> yea, gtk produces lots of warning, so much so that I often use 2>&1 > /dev/null when running gtk apps from a terminal to ignore the warnings
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2388[20:35:28] <Eightynine> jelly No, Firefox is laggy and buggy for me. greycat Did you see my message about Firefox when I said it's temporarily freezing?
2389[20:35:38] <greycat> replaced-url
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2391[20:35:53] * greycat glares at the edge of the terminal window
2392[20:36:17] <somiaj> Eightynine: that may or may not be related to the theme, one test is to create a new user using system defaults and see if you have the same issues. This at least lets you know if the issue is user confguration/profile, vs system.
2393[20:36:19] <jelly> Eightynine: change your gtk theme, maybe you'll see this particular message as nothing to do with firefox being buggy
2394[20:36:35] <jelly> has*
2395[20:37:49] <Eightynine> I checked, I'm using Adwaita. I didn't change theme/wallpaper.
2396[20:38:02] <jelly> Eightynine: you could also start it with "firefox --ProfileManager", create a fresh profile, and see if it misbehaves as well
2397[20:38:17] <somiaj> greycat: thanks, don't use redirects that often to have considered the difference.
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2399[20:39:09] <jelly> Eightynine: but browsers are resource hungry. Does the system have at least 4GB RAM, 8 is better?
2400[20:39:28] <Eightynine> Yes, I have 8 GB RAM.
2401[20:42:57] <jelly> greycat: when do I what??
2402[20:43:23] <greycat> replaced-url
2403[20:44:11] * jelly wonders whether somiaj figured out that ^ was for them
2404[20:44:16] <SerajewelKS> "you never use 2>&1 >foo"
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2406[20:44:26] <greycat> Not true.
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2408[20:44:57] <greycat> well, maybe people in *this* channel will never use it, and that's fair, because it's pretty rare
2409[20:45:27] <SerajewelKS> isn't the 2>&1 redundand in that case since 1 is reopened anyway?
2410[20:45:29] <jelly> SerajewelKS: I think I've seen exactly one product where stderr had usable info and stdout was junk
2411[20:45:31] <SerajewelKS> redundant*
2412[20:45:36] <greycat> It is absolutely not "redundant".
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2419[20:48:40] * jelly wonders why explanations of how redirections work do not say "read redirections from right to left, that's how a shell applies them"
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2421[20:49:07] <SerajewelKS> oh right, 2>&1 changes fd 2 not fd 1
2422[20:49:18] <jelly> "first fd 2 goes into fd 1, and then fd 1 goes to file"
2423[20:49:32] <jelly> right... to left
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2425[20:49:53] <greycat> They go left to right, and 2>&1 means "make 2 point to where 1 is currently pointing", not "make 2 point to 1".
2426[20:49:56] <jelly> much more intuitive than what the link above and others say.
2427[20:50:29] <greycat> It might be intuitive, but it also happens to be wrong.
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2430[20:51:31] <PoohStain> In fstab, if I change nouid to uid=1000 on an EXT4 partition, will I then be able to send files to trash in PCmanFM? XFCE is the DE I am using.
2431[20:52:03] <somiaj> jelly: yea, I got it, just not something I had considered.
2432[20:52:14] <jelly> greycat: it explains better _what_ it does even if _how_ is wrong
2433[20:52:23] <somiaj> PoohStain: I don't think uid is an option for ext4 filesystems.
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2435[20:53:09] <greycat> jelly: then you struggle to explain examples like output=$(command 3>&2 2>&1 1>&3-)
2436[20:53:17] <PoohStain> somiaj, what would I need to use to make it work?
2437[20:53:40] <greycat> (that one is from replaced-url
2438[20:54:17] <jelly> okay, but I'm not going to reimplement debconf that often to have to juggle fds
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2440[20:55:59] <greycat> PoohStain: what are you trying to do?
2441[20:56:06] <djohngo> My Buster is having issues with large (4 to 6 TB) external usb storage mounted using ntfs-3g. I see bug reports from 2011 & 2013, but not much recent stuff.
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2443[20:56:41] <djohngo> Can anyone point me to a resource that could help me out with this?
2444[20:56:49] <Habbie> djohngo, what kind of issues?
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2446[20:57:01] <PoohStain> greycat, I am currently getting an error in PCmanFM when trying to delete files from an automounted drive. Thunar is currently set as the default FM.
2447[20:57:18] <djohngo> When external usb drive is plugged in all external drives just freeze.
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2449[20:57:40] <djohngo> Even network shares mounted via cifs.
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2452[20:57:51] <greycat> PoohStain: what's the error, what kind of file system is actually on the device, what user are you when you run the remove commands?
2453[20:57:54] <djohngo> When I unplug the external usb drive, everything is fine.
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2457[20:58:09] <SerajewelKS> djohngo: i've seen that with failing USB drives
2458[20:58:29] <SerajewelKS> djohngo: i have a dead thumb drive that kills all other USB devices while it is attached
2459[20:58:49] <greycat> I think Thunar is some sort of graphical thing, so I guess... "PCmanFS" is also some sort of graphical thing.
2460[20:58:55] <PoohStain> greycat, it is EXT4. I get the error when right clicking to move to trash. "Some files cannot be moved to trash can because the underlying file systems don't support this operation.
2461[20:58:55] <PoohStain> Do you want to delete them instead?"
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2465[20:59:34] <greycat> PoohStain: If it's ext4, that means each file and directory on the device has an OWNER and a GROUP and set of PERMISSIONS. And your user account doesn't have permission to remove the file (meaning it doesn't have write permission on that directory).
2466[20:59:39] <PoohStain> Yes, PCmanFM is a GUI file manager.
2467[20:59:46] <greycat> PoohStain: either that, or the whole file system is mounted read-only.
2468[21:00:12] <PoohStain> Thunar is able to to move to trash without error.
2469[21:00:24] <greycat> ... then it sounds like a bug in this PCmanFM thing.
2470[21:00:47] <SerajewelKS> i'd guess pacmanfm wants to create some specific "trash can" directory but can't
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2475[21:01:29] <PoohStain> I'll try to create the typical hidden .trash directory and see if that helps.
2476[21:01:37] <PoohStain> Thanks greycat and SerajewelKS
2477[21:01:50] <greycat> replaced-url
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2479[21:02:32] <djohngo> The mounted cifs shares bothers me, though.
2480[21:02:45] <djohngo> I'm not sure why they would be affected?
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2482[21:03:46] <PoohStain> greycat, thanks million. I guess I need to practice up on my Google-foo. That worked.
2483[21:03:50] <free_speech> is there a point on using PCManFM when you use XFCE as the DE? XFCE comes with Thunar ...
2484[21:04:48] <PoohStain> free_speech, Thunar uses tumblerd, which jumps to 100% every time Motion creates a new video.
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2486[21:04:59] <PoohStain> and pcmanfm looks better
2487[21:05:19] <PoohStain> and has F3 split window options
2488[21:05:38] <PoohStain> Anyway, I am good to go now. Thanks all.
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2508[21:28:05] <amosbird> Hi, is there a better tool to replace dput?
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2512[21:29:18] <greycat> "dput-ng is a Debian package upload tool which provides an easy to use interface to Debian (like) package archive hosting facilities." ??
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2514[21:29:25] <Eightynine> replaced-url
2515[21:29:33] <greycat> either that, or something related to the R programming environment...
2516[21:29:42] <amosbird> greycat: that's still dput
2517[21:29:55] <greycat> I'm trying to figure out what your question means.
2518[21:30:21] <greycat> scroll, scroll... oh, here are two results that talk about Ubuntu
2519[21:30:37] <greycat> are you referring to some Ubuntu tool? is that why neither I nor dpkg know what you're talking about?
2520[21:30:56] <somiaj> amosbird: sounds like you may want to talk to some of the folks in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, they will have more familarity with the tools on the debian development side.
2521[21:31:14] <somiaj> provided by dput you mean the debian development tool.
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2523[21:31:47] <greycat> there are packages named dput and dput-ng in buster as well, it seems
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2526[21:32:29] <somiaj> yea, it is meant to upload debian source packages to be added to the debian network
2527[21:33:03] <greycat> funny, the Ubuntu man page that I found via google mentions PPAs
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2530[21:34:17] <somiaj> yea, I think it works for any debian-based distro that uses the same tools for their package archives.
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2557[21:46:47] <Kurogane> Hello, how i can install a package form old stable, in ubuntu got this "apt install php/bionic" and here what is? its possible.
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2560[21:47:56] <greycat> If you're on buster, and you want to install something from stretch: you add a stretch line to your sources.list, apt update, and apt -t stretch install whatever.
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2563[21:48:38] <greycat> although I suppose whatever/stretch would also work
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2588[22:06:50] <Kurogane> Thanks, it works but when i try to install it, remove current packages with recommend packages and depends
2589[22:07:03] <Kurogane> How can install just the package?
2590[22:07:27] <greycat> ... the dependencies must be satisfied, or it won't install.
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2593[22:08:50] <greycat> Frankly, the fact that you used "php" in your strictly hypothetical Ubuntu example is utterly terrifying.
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2596[22:12:08] <somiaj> Kurogane: sounds like we have an xy problem here, what is your goal
2597[22:12:20] <somiaj> in general unless you really know what you are doing, you shouldn't install packages from stretch in buster.
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2601[22:13:05] <greycat> I'm terrified that the goal actually *is* "I want to run an old, deprecated version of PHP on a newer Debian release".
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2603[22:13:25] <greycat> or "I want to run PHP". *shudder*
2604[22:14:46] <ratrace> there's even greater horror lurking here. the reason for that specific version of PHP... probs some even older, less maintained, PHP application that won't run on newer version because it's been abandonware for at least 5 years now. secvulns be damned.
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2606[22:15:30] <greycat> yeah, it all fits together into one cohesive nightmare
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2608[22:17:22] * uRock is eating popcorn and enjoying the show. "Nightmare on Debian Street - Old PHP app rises from the dead to slay the world."
2609[22:17:46] <ratrace> unspeakable horrors summoned by texts so ancient, they're still hosted on trac v0.1. I'd rather see a Great Old One and go insane, than see the setup that has to run the.... abomination.
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2616[22:20:35] <Kurogane> Its not php, but i need "old curl lib"
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2618[22:21:02] <somiaj> still sounds like an xy-problem, what do you need this lib for?
2619[22:21:10] <greycat> that's less bad. but obviously curl is going to depend on licurl, so replacing (downgrading) libcurl would also need you to downgrade curl, and maybe some other stuff.
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2623[22:25:03] <somiaj> greycat: does replaced-url
2624[22:26:05] <greycat> replaced-url
2625[22:26:33] <somiaj> okay, must be something about my machine (or maybe my network firewall) that is blocking replaced-url
2626[22:26:51] <greycat> A lot of the text-mode browsers got *really* cranky with https over the last few releases. Some of them use one library (libgnutls) and some use another (libssl), which complicates the picture a bit.
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2630[22:27:25] <somiaj> I'm just using chromium, get 'The connection was reset.' when trying to connect over replaced-url
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2633[22:28:01] <greycat> replaced-url
2634[22:29:50] <uRock> Works here in Edge, too.
2635[22:30:32] <somiaj> yea, I wonder if my university network is doing something, oh well, thanks for confirming it is on my end.
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2637[22:30:48] <somiaj> (other replaced-url
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2640[22:32:51] <Kurogane> Because app i have need openssl3 "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4.5.0: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found"
2641[22:34:40] <greycat> your "app" sounds like it's built incorrectly, if it's linked against a dynamic library that has the wrong symbols
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2646[22:39:03] <orange_romeda> Hello. After upgrading to Buster i've been getting [0.354939] ipmi:dmi Invalid offset:0 on bootup.
2647[22:39:16] <somiaj> orange_romeda: do you notice anything not working?
2648[22:39:16] <gry> does debian include replaced-url
2649[22:39:43] <orange_romeda> somiaj: no
2650[22:39:52] <somiaj> gry: I see both libx11-doc and xorg-docs, xorg-docs-core (my guess if it is in debian, one of the second two)
2651[22:39:56] <somiaj> orange_romeda: then I would ignore it
2652[22:40:08] <somiaj> orange_romeda: sometimes the linux kernel is a bit verbose, and you see warnings more than errors
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2655[22:40:54] <orange_romeda> ok. thanks.
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2681[22:54:17] <hdb2> I think I screwed up...I ssh'd into a box and was running apt-get upgrade, and like and idiot didn't run it in a tmux session, and accidentally closed the session. the PID has a ? beside it, which I take to mean that it can't receive any more input. any suggestions on what to do?
2682[22:54:37] <hdb2> kill the PID with kill -15 $PID and restart?
2683[22:54:41] <greycat> kill it, start tmux, run apt-get upgrade again
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2685[22:54:53] <greycat> it should resume where it left off
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2688[22:55:20] <dez> i'm trying to install gcc 7 on debian 9
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2690[22:55:43] <dez> replaced-url
2691[22:55:44] <greycat> get source, extract, read instructions
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2693[22:56:14] <dez> greycat: you're talking to me?
2694[22:56:31] <dez> i thought gcc 7 was on the debian repos
2695[22:56:36] <hdb2> greycat: that was suprisingly simple...killed the PID, restarted the process. debian told me to run dpkg --configure -a and now I'm back in business.
2696[22:56:43] <hdb2> thank you!
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2698[22:57:03] <annadane> 7 and 8 are both in debian 10, yes
2699[22:58:09] <dez> annadane: how do i install debian 10 repos on debian 9
2700[22:58:15] <greycat> You don't.
2701[22:58:17] <annadane> ,v gcc-7
2702[22:58:18] <judd> Package: gcc-7 on amd64 -- buster: 7.4.0-6; bullseye: 7.4.0-13; sid: 7.4.0-13
2703[22:58:32] <greycat> You compile gcc from source instead, or you upgrade to Debian 10.
2704[22:58:34] <annadane> well, then do what greycat said, download the source, extract it, read instructions
2705[22:58:54] <dez> greycat, ill have to compile from source for the time being, thank you
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2707[22:59:23] <annadane> put it in /opt or somewhere in your home folder, i think /usr/local would break stuff
2708[22:59:47] <greycat> /usr/local should be OK
2709[23:00:04] <greycat> /opt is not a bad choice, though
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2711[23:00:18] <annadane> right, never mind
2712[23:00:27] <annadane> it's stuff like python which is bad
2713[23:00:47] <greycat> building a local Tcl with prefix /usr/local/ is bad too, as I found out the hard way
2714[23:01:16] <annadane> people just have to remember that /usr/local/bin *overrides* the existing packages you have installed via the package manager
2715[23:01:23] <greycat> (it drops a shared library in /usr/local/lib which conflicts with the one in /usr/lib)
2716[23:01:55] <greycat> (or wherever /usr/lib moved to post-multiarch)
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2725[23:06:40] * greycat looks at replaced-url
2726[23:07:20] <greycat> ... what the *hell*
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2729[23:08:05] * greycat takes back the bit about "your app might have been built incorrectly". Apparently libcurl3 was packaged by an alien for the purposes of making earth easier to conquer.
2730[23:08:23] <Kurogane> :D
2731[23:09:34] <Kurogane> If you find a solution you can help these poor souls
2732[23:09:59] <greycat> However, I would not really recommend replacing buster's libcurl4 with stretch's libcurl3 on a buster system just to appease this legacy application. I'd set up some sort of chroot for it.
2733[23:10:30] <greycat> If it can't be run in a chroot... can you recompile it from source, or is it completely closed-source?
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2735[23:11:07] <greycat> The other approach that comes to mind would be a wrapper script that sets up LD_LIBRARY_PATH pointing to the old crap that it needs. Which is tucked away in /opt/broken/ or something.
2736[23:12:21] <greycat> In any event, do not just try to use the packaging system. Extract the libcurl3 .deb by hand (dpkg -x) and move the libraries to where you want them, by hand.
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2743[23:14:31] <Kurogane> well, my goal its not remove or replace libcurl4 if not have "two" libs installed or have multilib something like that.
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2758[23:24:24] <gry> hi! is there an utility to search within the content of source packages?
2759[23:24:43] <gry> eg within the source codes
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2778[23:45:39] <Zppix> hey all, curious, when i do apt update it shows theres an upgradable package so when i do apt list --upgradeable it lits linux-image-amd64/stretch-backports 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1 amd64 [upgradable from: 4.19+105~bpo9+1]. However, when i try to do apt upgrade linux-image-amd64 I get replaced-url
2779[23:45:56] <Zppix> lists*
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2786[23:54:03] <annadane> Zppix, uh, try an apt dist-upgrade i guess
2787[23:54:11] <Zppix> annadane: let me try that
2788[23:54:30] <Zppix> annadane: nothing it doesnt even show that upgrade
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2790[23:54:44] <annadane> gry, i guess download the source and run a ls -R | grep foo
2791[23:55:06] <annadane> -R for recursive (check subdirectories)
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2793[23:55:27] <annadane> what about apt install linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64?
2794[23:56:15] <annadane> Zppix, ^
2795[23:56:37] <Zppix> annadane: all it says is it can only find a package with that name with -unsigned at the end
2796[23:56:38] <humpled> don't you need to reinstall from backports, assuming the package is not pinned to it
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2798[23:57:40] <annadane> reinstall...?
2799[23:58:07] <humpled> the backports kernel
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