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5 [00:08:29] <Gigglebyte> Earlier today someone said it was ok to load Debian 10.0.1 live cd for recovering stretch, but I now get an error message that says invalid magic number. ERror: you need to load kernel first. What does this mean?
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10 [00:12:25] <dvs> I think that person is wrong. I'd use a stretch live CD to recover a stretch installation.
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14 [00:14:58] <somiaj> it really depends on what needs to be recovered, but stretch should run just fine on a buster kernel, so using a buster live image then chrooting into stretch to fix should be possible.
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74 [00:54:42] <pushEject> so slax didnt install on my SD card. the readme made it seem pretty simple but im wondering if i missed something...anyone got a sec?
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78 [00:56:56] <somiaj> !slax
79 [00:56:56] <dpkg> well, slax is a <Slackware>-based GNU/Linux Live distribution. replaced-url
80 [00:57:09] <somiaj> pushEject: this is #debian, you may want to ask in ##slax
81 [00:57:23] <pushEject> hmm...i thought it switched
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83 [00:57:37] <pushEject> pretty sure their website said now debian...just use apt ;)
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85 [00:57:47] <somiaj> !based on debian
86 [00:57:47] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
87 [00:58:01] <somiaj> pushEject: either way, we don't support based on debian here, only debian pure blends.
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90 [00:58:20] <somiaj> ##slax probably knows if they switched and might be able to help
91 [00:59:21] <pushEject> well tell me this...i just wanted a lite distro to run on an old 8g sd card...any ideas for something deb?
92 [01:00:02] <somiaj> Debian can be made fairly light, it really depends on the software you install. But a minimial debian base system is only 500megs, with a small window manager and xorg, you could probably do that with debian
93 [01:00:43] <somiaj> Other distros might also work, they just won't be supported here. I advocate someone chooses the distro that fits their needs best
94 [01:01:45] <pushEject> something easy to learn on...which is why i went the debian fork. or was told to...
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97 [01:02:13] <pushEject> but thanks anyway
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99 [01:02:59] <Caplain> pushEject, replaced-url
100 [01:03:13] <Caplain> oooof
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102 [01:03:17] <Caplain> oh well lol
103 [01:03:23] <whislock> failhorn.wav
104 [01:03:27] <Caplain> :D
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109 [01:06:09] <iuiututa> how is the status of mobile debian in development, if is one interested?
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111 [01:09:40] <iuiututa> i wish could get a mobile wiped from google and on top of debian repos
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114 [01:10:52] <iuiututa> mean google present outstanding apps, but your life is not yours anumore
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119 [01:13:53] <linuxguy2020> I installed Debian without a desktop environment for use as a server. The server is installed as a VirtualBox machine that automatically starts when the NAS starts up so that its always running. The only thing that I need this server to do is launch a bash script. How do I launch that automatically when the server starts?
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121 [01:15:01] <whislock> linuxguy2020: Could write a systemd unit to do it. They're not difficult to write.
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127 [01:19:57] <somiaj> linuxguy2020: /etc/rc.local is sitll supported (see the rc.local service) if you want to just launch a script from there. Though whislock of writing a systemd unit is a better approach IMO
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152 [01:36:26] <VinAlencc404> Hey, guys! How are you? Few hours ago, I joinned this channel and asked about BASH script and how to keep a header fixed but change the rest with a loop. Few of you gave me some tips (dialog, ncurses etc) but I am here to let you know that I found a way: using loop with 'tput cup X Y'.
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155 [01:36:55] <VinAlencc404> Anyway, thank you for the guys who gave me those tips.
156 [01:37:04] <somiaj> there are ways to do things that doens't use ncurses, but they are often limited to working on certain terminals
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158 [01:37:23] <somiaj> I once wrote a program that did all this using escape sequences, but that was a mess if your terminal didn't support vt100 escape sequences
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161 [01:37:34] <VinAlencc404> I understand
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164 [01:38:16] <VinAlencc404> Well... My script is really simple, so a simple solution using TPUT was enough.
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169 [01:39:01] <VinAlencc404> If you guys want to check, my project is 2FA-Auth and you can check it on replaced-url
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178 [01:41:36] <tds> VinAlencc404: so if you happen to run a backup while gpg is doing its thing and encrypting the token, the plaintext token gets backed up? :(
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180 [01:43:29] <tds> VinAlencc404: btw, you might also want to look at pass and pass-otp - rather neat solutions, the git integration is handy, and pass is even packaged in debian :) - looks like a fun little project anyway though!
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186 [01:47:54] <VinAlencc404> tds: You mean, system backup? Honestly, I didn't have this idea in mind.
187 [01:48:30] <VinAlencc404> tds: I'll check these programs you mentioned
188 [01:48:51] <tds> or any other process that can read those files, that was just a (poor) example
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350 [03:57:04] <guest24323> a
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360 [04:03:51] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
361 [04:04:36] <bigMouthCommie> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
362 [04:04:38] <bigMouthCommie> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
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364 [04:04:42] <bigMouthCommie> and
365 [04:04:51] <bigMouthCommie> The following packages have unmet dependencies: inetutils-ping : Conflicts: ping
366 [04:05:14] <bigMouthCommie> in fairness, i'm like 2000+ pkgs behind
367 [04:05:19] <bigMouthCommie> on debian 9
368 [04:05:31] <dvs> ,v ping
369 [04:05:32] <judd> No package named 'ping' was found in amd64.
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372 [04:06:42] <bigMouthCommie> can i purge ping and then install the inetutils-ping, THEN run the upgrade?
373 [04:07:27] <dvs> Whatever you have not, it isn't Debian so you won't end up with a proper Debian install
374 [04:07:44] <dvs> s/not/before/
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376 [04:09:14] <bigMouthCommie> uh... i am only using official pkgs. it's POSSIBLE that ping has been deprecated in favor of inetutils-ping
377 [04:09:26] <bigMouthCommie> but i assure you i'm onl using debian sources
378 [04:09:48] <iuiututa> come assured you
379 [04:09:53] <bigMouthCommie> Virtual packages like 'ping' can't be removed
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381 [04:10:13] <bigMouthCommie> fudge. can i dist-upgrade?
382 [04:10:50] <dvs> If ping is an old Debian package, you cannot dist-upgrade directly to buster from something older than stretch.
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386 [04:13:12] <bigMouthCommie> i'm in debian 9
387 [04:13:30] <dvs> no, Debian 9 does not have a ping package.
388 [04:13:41] <bigMouthCommie> it's a virtual pkg
389 [04:13:49] <bigMouthCommie> that i can't remove
390 [04:14:24] <bigMouthCommie> will i break my system if i do the dist-upgrade now?
391 [04:14:41] <bigMouthCommie> i always did update && upgrade && dist-upgrade in the past
392 [04:15:34] <bigMouthCommie> also, it never worked and i always ended up with a new install media
393 [04:15:49] <genright> replaced-url
394 [04:16:10] <genright> its long but should help?
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396 [04:16:17] <iuiututa> release a help linlk
397 [04:16:42] <iuiututa> for people who need
398 [04:17:04] <iuiututa> fella
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400 [04:18:44] <iuiututa> sorry
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403 [04:19:06] <iuiututa> i am a man to excuse
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405 [04:22:35] <iuiututa> by the way pip gets source from trusty?
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407 [04:23:59] <iuiututa> we must trust aint ya
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416 [04:31:06] <ipv6ssh> How do I ssh to ipv6?
417 [04:33:03] <bigMouthCommie> uh... i appreciate the link, but at some point i broke a bunch of fonts too so i couldn't read it... i'm afraid i just rolled the dice and started runing dist-upgrade
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422 [04:40:27] <iuiututa> do you like the link?
423 [04:40:51] <bigMouthCommie> iuiututa: i cant read it in browser
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425 [04:41:42] <bigMouthCommie> i select-all,copy,yank-ed it into emacs, but then i just ran the dist upgrade with no regard for safety b/c i DO have install media
426 [04:41:50] <iuiututa> bigdids we shall come this again
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428 [04:43:24] <iuiututa> i shall do the master 007 ping me
429 [04:43:50] <iuiututa> and he quit
430 [04:44:03] <iuiututa> and i solved
431 [04:44:16] <iuiututa> #$%%&
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434 [04:46:28] <iuiututa> não entregue em mãos
435 [04:47:15] <iuiututa> google it end come back with nasty problems
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437 [04:48:36] <iuiututa> dis them posted mutt stuff?
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441 [04:50:08] <iuiututa> unless they say get this child pastebin i ping me
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449 [04:56:29] <iuiututa> oo7 child txt ... ping me for whatsoever
450 [04:57:25] <iuiututa> post my script and take the grants
451 [04:57:44] <iuiututa> mus have people helped
452 [04:57:53] <iuiututa> and by the way
453 [04:58:03] <iuiututa> post the link
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455 [05:01:15] <iuiututa> i want to see the help online
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460 [05:05:47] <iuiututa> and scrutize users
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462 [05:06:54] <iuiututa> before take a talk
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464 [05:07:56] <iuiututa> and know the live of person
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490 [05:32:17] <bigMouthCommie> ok. so it started to hang during dist-upgrade.
491 [05:32:21] <bigMouthCommie> so i pulled the power
492 [05:32:29] <bigMouthCommie> and now the gui is not working.
493 [05:32:49] <bigMouthCommie> i'm on tty2 now, but tty1 is running dpkg -a -configure (i think)
494 [05:32:56] <bigMouthCommie> anyone been here before?
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499 [05:34:43] <iuiututa> o atletico levantando trofeus
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501 [05:35:05] <iuiututa> i am sleeping
502 [05:35:12] <iuiututa> cut
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506 [05:36:51] <iuiututa> cuts
507 [05:37:04] <iuiututa> i am happpy
508 [05:38:23] <iuiututa> oil gonna rise
509 [05:38:36] <iuiututa> happy
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514 [05:42:03] <iuiututa> my system of defence is you get me me all the way
515 [05:42:43] <iuiututa> farted
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517 [05:45:23] <iuiututa> afik liberal gonna suborno
518 [05:46:20] <iuiututa> iva
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520 [05:46:47] <iuiututa> gonna sleep
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523 [05:50:43] <genright> it boots, thats good. once dpkg is done continue with the upgrade process and cross your fingers.
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528 [05:53:52] <Gigglebyte> Would anyone know why I am receiving an error that says invalid magic number. I need to load the kernel first. This error appears when trying to Launch the Debian Live Installer 10.0.1 I am hoping to recover a system with Stretch that will not boot.
529 [05:54:39] <bigMouthCommie> umph. Gigglebyte
530 [05:55:09] <Gigglebyte> What is umph...
531 [05:55:10] <Gigglebyte> ?
532 [05:55:25] <iuiututa> cross my fingers in a determinitic sweat
533 [05:55:55] <bigMouthCommie> uhmph is an onamanapoea (sp?) for getting hit in the gut.
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536 [05:56:38] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: i checked duck-duck-go and it looks like you're install media might be bad. did you check hashes?
537 [05:56:39] <z8z> recommended vnc/rdp client alternative to that vinagre crap?
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541 [05:57:14] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> No, I haven't. what would be the next step?
542 [05:57:52] <bigMouthCommie> z8z: apt search vnc gui turned up ssvnc
543 [05:58:51] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: re
544 [05:58:55] <bigMouthCommie> whoops
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546 [05:59:11] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: re-download your install media, check the hash, then write it out to disk
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548 [05:59:33] <iuiututa> out disk
549 [05:59:52] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> How do I check the hash?
550 [05:59:53] <bigMouthCommie> torrents automatically check hashes for each chunk received. i recommend just using a torrent.
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552 [06:00:36] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> I did use a torrent, but the stick may not have been properly ejected.
553 [06:00:56] <bigMouthCommie> ooooh. well then do all that again, but properly eject disk this time.
554 [06:01:13] <bigMouthCommie> if its still a bad magic number, maybe the torrent is bad??
555 [06:01:17] <bigMouthCommie> idk
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558 [06:03:56] <bigMouthCommie> also, possible your install media is bad. again, i don't really know.
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562 [06:08:11] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> There doesn't appear to be a way to eject a disk on this laptop. Is there a way to add that functionality? I am on a Dell Inspiron i3, but this is not the laptop that I am trying to recover.
563 [06:08:42] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: a clean shutdown will cleanly eject disk
564 [06:09:07] <bigMouthCommie> also, what OS are you running on the dell?
565 [06:09:08] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> Is there a way to add eject funcationality without shutting down?
566 [06:09:22] <Gigglebyte> bigMounthCommie> Debian stable stretch
567 [06:09:35] <bigMouthCommie> sudo umount /dev/sdc ?
568 [06:09:37] <bigMouthCommie> idk
569 [06:09:46] <bigMouthCommie> check your mounts
570 [06:09:49] <bigMouthCommie> find the disk
571 [06:09:51] <bigMouthCommie> umount it
572 [06:10:38] <bigMouthCommie> did you DD the disk?
573 [06:10:52] <bigMouthCommie> just wondering how you wrote it
574 [06:10:59] <bigMouthCommie> again, it might just be bad media
575 [06:11:09] <bigMouthCommie> trying another disk might work
576 [06:11:09] <iuiututa> its all the shit google
577 [06:11:18] <bigMouthCommie> fuck off iuiututa
578 [06:12:05] <iuiututa> bigman is all iget
579 [06:13:22] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> I used the following command after using the rm command to make space in the target directory: sudo cpDocuments/Files/*.* /media/sdb1
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581 [06:13:46] <bigMouthCommie> yo cp will not do it.
582 [06:13:53] <Gigglebyte> Its not copying so something is wrong, but I don't know what.
583 [06:13:57] <bigMouthCommie> you need to dd
584 [06:14:25] <Gigglebyte> Why will cp not do it?
585 [06:14:32] <bigMouthCommie> and i would umount /media/sdb1 first
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587 [06:15:12] <bigMouthCommie> idk the specifics, but it's something like "cp only copies the bits into an existing partition, where dd makes a bit-for-bit copy of a disk"
588 [06:15:34] <bigMouthCommie> so it'll be like
589 [06:15:41] <bigMouthCommie> sudo umount /media/sdb1
590 [06:15:42] <bigMouthCommie> then
591 [06:16:02] <bigMouthCommie> sudo dd Documents/Files/debian.iso /dev/sdb
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593 [06:16:25] <bigMouthCommie> for good measure, i might throw in sudo umount /dev/sdb
594 [06:16:31] <bigMouthCommie> (before the dd)
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596 [06:17:09] <bigMouthCommie> i'd love to hear how this turns out
597 [06:17:46] <bigMouthCommie> to be clear, we are going to COMPLETELY NUKE /dev/sdb with these commands
598 [06:17:53] <bigMouthCommie> you're not going to have any of your old files
599 [06:18:24] <Gigglebyte> Gigglebyte> Looked up dd in man, but confused. What syntax would you use?
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601 [06:19:17] <bigMouthCommie> uh... hold up
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605 [06:21:26] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> Old files are already removed. However, I get an error message that dd: is an unrecognized operand on 'Documents/Files/debian-Live-10.1.0-amd64-xfce.iso
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607 [06:22:02] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
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609 [06:22:09] <EoflaOE> Gigglebyte: sudo dd if=Documents/Files/debian.iso of=/dev/sdb
610 [06:22:23] <bigMouthCommie> it might need like a flag to indicate input and output
611 [06:22:28] <bigMouthCommie> i'm just working off of memory here
612 [06:22:38] <bigMouthCommie> EoflaOE: COMIN UP CLUTCH
613 [06:23:20] <bigMouthCommie> input file, output file
614 [06:24:10] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> I now get an error that dd: failedto open 'Documents/Files'*.*': No such file or directory.
615 [06:25:00] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: you gotta give the whole, specific filename
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617 [06:25:05] <iuiututa> y are floodind with
618 [06:25:20] <bigMouthCommie> but it should tab-complete if you start with Document/Files/debian
619 [06:25:32] <bigMouthCommie> EoflaOE: can we kill iuiututa ??
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621 [06:25:36] <Gigglebyte> Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> In Linux *.* is usually ok if that is the only file in the folder. Is there an exception to this rule?
622 [06:25:58] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: it seems like dd wants to know the specific file
623 [06:25:58] <EoflaOE> bigMouthCommie: yes
624 [06:26:05] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: just tab-complete it
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626 [06:26:35] <bigMouthCommie> EoflaOE: ... how?
627 [06:26:56] <iuiututa> many voices
628 [06:27:25] <EoflaOE> bigMouthCommie: Anything.
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630 [06:27:54] <iuiututa> pip trusfulll
631 [06:28:15] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: is it writing?
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633 [06:28:41] <iuiututa> go on
634 [06:29:03] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> I am not sure. I ran lsblk and there isn't anything there replaced-url
635 [06:29:51] <Gigglebyte> How come it isn't showing up in LSBLK?
636 [06:29:57] <iuiututa> my man in my script
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644 [06:37:35] <jadax> I installed notepadqq from snap on debian 10 (sudo snap install notepadqq)
645 [06:37:43] <jadax> but now I don't see notepadqq anywhere on my system
646 [06:37:47] <jadax> what's going on?
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649 [06:39:34] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: looks like it ran to me
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652 [06:39:48] <bigMouthCommie> yank that disk, slam it in target,and try to boot
653 [06:39:53] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> How come it isn't showing up in LSBLK?
654 [06:40:02] <bigMouthCommie> b/c it's not mounted
655 [06:40:08] <bigMouthCommie> (i assume)
656 [06:40:13] <diogenes_> jadax, search for notepadqq in terminal.
657 [06:40:34] <jadax> find -name "snap*" / -r
658 [06:40:35] <jadax> like that?
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660 [06:41:35] <diogenes_> yes or: find / -type f 2>/dev/null | grep notepadqq
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662 [06:42:19] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: hows that goin?!
663 [06:42:23] <bigMouthCommie> :D
664 [06:42:33] <diogenes_> jadax, also try this: snap list
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666 [06:42:46] <diogenes_> this will show you snap packages installed on your system.
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668 [06:42:55] <Gigglebyte> bigMounthCommie> Can you explain why the file isn't showing up after I ran lsblk?
669 [06:43:06] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: you umounted it
670 [06:43:13] <bigMouthCommie> (or you should have)
671 [06:43:19] <jadax> replaced-url
672 [06:43:22] <jadax> that's my snap list
673 [06:43:23] <bigMouthCommie> you should be able to mount it
674 [06:43:26] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> It was unmounted before I ran dd.
675 [06:43:38] <bigMouthCommie> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1
676 [06:43:43] <bigMouthCommie> lsblk
677 [06:43:59] <jadax> interesting that my snap core says 'broken'
678 [06:44:54] <diogenes_> jadax, try: snap run notepadqq
679 [06:45:11] <jadax> cannot locate the core or legacy core snap (current symlink missing?): No such file or directory
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681 [06:45:20] <jadax> something is off
682 [06:45:26] <bigMouthCommie> Note that lsblk might be executed in time when udev does not have all information about recently added or modified devices yet. In this case it is recommended to use udevadm settle
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684 [06:45:37] <bigMouthCommie> (from the lsblk manpage)
685 [06:45:45] <diogenes_> jadax, try: sudo snap refresh core
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687 [06:45:51] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: ??
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689 [06:46:08] <jadax> diogenes_ that might have fixed it
690 [06:46:14] <jadax> doesn't say 'broken' anymore
691 [06:46:25] <Gigglebyte> udevadm settle?
692 [06:46:28] <jadax> and notepadqq runs!
693 [06:46:47] <diogenes_> cool now you can make a .desktop file and enjpy it.
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695 [06:46:58] <diogenes_> enjoy*
696 [06:47:00] <jadax> I get some errors thou, replaced-url
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698 [06:47:35] <diogenes_> no clue about those but if it runs then it's ok.
699 [06:47:36] <agris> What is the difference between linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-cloud-amd64?
700 [06:47:43] <jadax> diogenes_ thanks1
701 [06:47:53] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
702 [06:48:30] <Gigglebyte> I ran udevadm settle and then ran lsblk, and still no evidence of the file in /media/sdb1
703 [06:48:53] <Gigglebyte> Unfortunately it is getting late so I will need to take up this problem tomorrow. Your help is appreciated.
704 [06:48:57] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: did you try the mount command?
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706 [06:49:06] <Gigglebyte> hold on
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708 [06:50:39] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> I now get an error that it can't find 'dev'sdb in 'etc'fstab
709 [06:52:53] <Gigglebyte> This is the result of m fstab replaced-url
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711 [06:53:52] <Gigglebyte> I need to go to sleep. I will finish tomorrow.
712 [06:54:24] <bigMouthCommie> Gigglebyte: you wrote out the file
713 [06:54:29] <bigMouthCommie> i saw your dd output
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715 [06:54:39] <bigMouthCommie> just slam the drive into target machine and boot from it
716 [06:54:57] <Gigglebyte> bigMouthCommie> I will do this tomorrow. I am going to sleep after I pay a bill.
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719 [06:57:18] <Agafnd> if i'm an unprivileged user on a multi-user system, how do i find what resources (RAM/CPU/disk) I'm using?
720 [06:58:03] <diogenes_> Agafnd, top or htop.
721 [06:58:30] <Agafnd> ah okay. thanks
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727 [07:03:43] <anothernicki> ah.. a gits fan in here!
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739 [07:12:15] <iuiututa> i got old in my time
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741 [07:14:09] <iuiututa> isso ai negão
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746 [07:16:46] <iuiututa> local
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748 [07:17:40] <iuiututa> get you are no up to
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750 [07:18:01] <iuiututa> prostitute
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752 [07:21:32] <iuiututa> y discovered the name
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754 [07:21:50] <Agafnd> are you all right, iuiututa?
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756 [07:22:05] <iuiututa> sanitation
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760 [07:23:57] <themill> iuiututa: I suspect you wanted a channel other than #debian. #chat perhaps?
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762 [07:25:14] <iuiututa> bettett aint ay
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768 [07:30:19] <iuiututa> are y up to th bread?
769 [07:32:13] <iuiututa> breaatth in
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771 [07:32:32] <iuiututa> good
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773 [07:33:39] <iuiututa> code
774 [07:33:59] <iuiututa> y are in my lyne
775 [07:34:36] <l9> all your base are belong to us
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778 [07:36:43] <iuiututa> uhh
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780 [07:37:24] <iuiututa> 007 man show you
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782 [07:39:17] <iuiututa> my man
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784 [07:39:50] <iuiututa> post mutt and give me the link
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787 [07:41:36] <iuiututa> 007 is a mutt
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789 [07:42:33] <Zalyssa> did you escape from westworld
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791 [07:43:40] <iuiututa> policy stuff domt comcerns me now
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793 [07:45:55] <iuiututa> i am a pooor dork inthe giving up system
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795 [07:47:08] <iuiututa> dis they acessd you?
796 [07:47:46] <iuiututa> i laufh
797 [07:49:11] <iuiututa> y are so
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802 [07:52:28] <iuiututa> nego voceis sao muito crazy
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804 [07:55:14] <iuiututa> candy or bich
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806 [07:56:19] <iuiututa> post
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813 [07:57:01] <iuiututa> i did
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815 [07:57:49] <iuiututa> robbie
816 [07:58:16] <iuiututa> vc vai cobrir?
817 [07:58:34] <iuiututa> telefone rings?
818 [07:58:36] <Agafnd> dpkg: ops iuiututa is being spammy
819 [07:58:37] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: agafnd complains about a problem (see above)
820 [07:58:42] * Haohmaru eyeballz iuiututa
821 [07:59:33] <iuiututa> complain
822 [08:00:29] <Haohmaru> iuiututa what was your question?
823 [08:01:10] <iuiututa> impresssing
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825 [08:02:29] <l9> Zalyssa: did they ever escape?
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829 [08:06:11] <iuiututa> haokmu i am collabollative
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832 [08:08:08] <iuiututa> rica
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834 [08:08:35] <Haohmaru> how bout you collaborate with silence and keep quiet untill you have a question
835 [08:08:40] <Haxxa> logrotate fails: "error: stat of /run//Log failed: No such file or directory"
836 [08:09:20] <Haohmaru> Haxxa that double slash looks fishy to me
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840 [08:10:22] <Agafnd> usually multiple slashes don't affect anything, right?
841 [08:12:02] <Agafnd> cd /usr//////share; pwd # --> /usr/share
842 [08:12:19] <Haohmaru> maybe you're right o_O
843 [08:13:19] <Haohmaru> no idea what /run/Log is supposed to be, but perhaps should it have a capital L there?
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845 [08:13:30] <Haxxa> This was stock install of debian
846 [08:13:32] <Haohmaru> on my debian i *do* have /run/log but not Log
847 [08:13:43] <Agafnd> yeah, me too
848 [08:14:03] <iuiututa> rob uhu
849 [08:14:04] <Haxxa> so mkdir /run/log ?
850 [08:14:10] <Haxxa> or is it a file
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852 [08:14:32] <Haohmaru> it's a folder
853 [08:14:42] <Haxxa> hmmmm... already exists
854 [08:15:11] <Haohmaru> but afaik a file named Log could exist right next to it no problem.. so.. *shrug*
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857 [08:16:02] <Haxxa> cd: /run//Log: No such file or directory
858 [08:16:06] <Haxxa> doesn't like //
859 [08:16:32] <Haohmaru> if Log doesn't exist that won't work
860 [08:16:42] <Haohmaru> do you have a directory /run/Log ?
861 [08:17:17] <Haohmaru> Haxxa you know that the filesystem is usually case-sensitive on linux, right?
862 [08:17:36] <Haohmaru> so log and Log are two different names and can exist next to each other
863 [08:17:37] <iuiututa> petição tto sleep
864 [08:17:59] <Haohmaru> iuiututa gudbai, sleep tight
865 [08:18:04] <Haohmaru> >:/
866 [08:18:09] <iuiututa> lets do the job
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869 [08:19:49] <iuiututa> u dis
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871 [08:19:58] <iuiututa> u did
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873 [08:20:16] <iuiututa> do me againn
874 [08:20:31] <iuiututa> &*&&$*$*(&%)*&
875 [08:22:00] <iuiututa> vordoormir
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884 [08:27:40] <Haxxa> Haohmaru, thanks fixed
885 [08:27:48] <iuiututa> pip is so relyable as repo debian?
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888 [08:28:21] <iuiututa> go all the way
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892 [08:30:27] <iuiututa> mean deb
893 [08:30:59] <iuiututa> repo
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899 [08:33:01] <iuiututa> go
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906 [08:36:01] <iuiututa> beatufull work
907 [08:36:04] <saaam> Hey, I'm a bit confused by MySQL support in Debian 8/Jessie. replaced-url
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910 [08:38:30] <iuiututa> focus on buster[
911 [08:39:13] <iuiututa> ps ttaasdasfda
912 [08:39:21] <iuiututa> sorry
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923 [08:45:08] <iuiututa> go
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926 [08:46:36] <iuiututa> naive
927 [08:46:52] <iuiututa> do me
928 [08:47:47] <iuiututa> psincess not do me]
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932 [08:50:28] <iuiututa> vai rubby
933 [08:51:34] <iuiututa> not
934 [08:52:21] <iuiututa> ta na nuvem?
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937 [08:52:56] <Carlos> hola
938 [08:53:13] <Carlos> soy Carlos y estoy aprendiendo a usar kali linux
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941 [08:53:46] <iuiututa> good carlos
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943 [08:54:33] <iuiututa> gonna risk my job and life
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946 [08:56:19] <iuiututa> dady?
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957 [08:58:50] <Carlos> buena noche amigos
958 [08:59:16] <Carlos> bye
959 [08:59:41] <humbabl> buenas noches /
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961 [09:00:11] <humbabl> ocho de la manyana in Espana no?
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987 [09:22:43] <womanizer> correct if im wrong, just having brainfast and im on mobile. im just trying to explain a fellow student the difference between ; , && , and ||. so when using ; all commands are executed no matter what, && only executed if the first command is successful and last, || is either or meaning if the 1st one fails, execute the second one and vice versa
988 [09:23:00] <womanizer> brainfart*
989 [09:24:37] <diogenes_> looks correct.
990 [09:24:49] <Fox> && is AND || is OR
991 [09:25:00] <womanizer> thanks
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993 [09:25:52] <Fox> man bash and look for Lists
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1025 [09:55:20] <annadane> i forget the factoid/howto how to make a sid chroot, can anyone help?
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1031 [09:58:43] <ratrace> annadane: replaced-url
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1034 [09:59:12] <annadane> ...yeah, thanks
1035 [09:59:17] <annadane> i did check that already
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1039 [09:59:37] <ratrace> I am guessing you just debootstrap sid into otherwise normal chroot
1040 [10:00:03] <annadane> yeah, it's on replaced-url
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1043 [10:00:07] <annadane> that was the name, i just forgot
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1046 [10:00:18] <annadane> thought there was a factoid for it at some stage
1047 [10:00:48] <themill> !debootstrap
1048 [10:00:48] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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1052 [10:01:22] <themill> (might also be schroot you're looking for)
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1054 [10:03:26] <MACscr> with buster, whats the correct way to override nameservers given out by dhcp? i am not using network manager
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1058 [10:05:25] <diogenes_> MACscr, what you use then?
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1060 [10:05:43] <MACscr> i guess dhclient?
1061 [10:06:02] <ratrace> MACscr: for dhclient (default), there's domain-name-servers option, see dhclient.conf(5) manpage
1062 [10:06:47] <themill> !override dns
1063 [10:06:48] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
1064 [10:06:59] <ratrace> but iirc there was a bug with it. for example, I use a dhclient enter hook script to block it from modifying resolv.conf
1065 [10:07:36] <MACscr> ive found the hooks to be inconsistent and chattr is a pretty brute method to use
1066 [10:08:02] <themill> supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d; is my preferred way
1067 [10:08:07] <ratrace> MACscr: inconsistent how? I never had it fail on me so far. The link themill gave contains the script code, under "Stop dhclient from modifying /etc/resolv.conf"
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1069 [10:09:01] <themill> (I also find sufficiently many networks don't like me doing that)
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1102 [10:32:00] <josj> When upgrading to Buster the ps2 keyboard (HHKB) stopped working, a Tulip ps2 keyboard also does not work; USB (Logitech) keyboard does work. Cannot find any info on this problem, various hardware listing programs do not seem to see the ps2 keyboard either. It does not work on boot, or console or x. amd64 PC
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1109 [10:39:01] <sunzero> is there a no testing upgrade for debian 10 for gnome 3.34 or 3.33
1110 [10:39:07] <sunzero> stable
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1115 [10:43:20] <ratrace> ,v gnome
1116 [10:43:21] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.30+1; bullseye: 1:3.30+2; sid: 1:3.30+2
1117 [10:43:25] <Antoine|> Hello, I'd like to copy a website. I am trying with httrack, is anyone familiar with it?
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1120 [10:47:13] <jelly> sunzero: there is never a bump to newer version of a DE for stable release
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1122 [10:47:32] <jelly> desktop environments are complex and huge
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1147 [11:04:23] <neoclust> hi, how with apt downgrade a batch of packages coming from the same deb source ?
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1155 [11:08:21] <ratrace> neoclust: in general, apt/dpkg don't support downgrades due to post-inst sideffects that are impossible to revert
1156 [11:09:14] <ratrace> but it might be possible to apt install specific version, assuming there are no such side effects.
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1159 [11:09:52] <duude__> o/
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1161 [11:10:33] <duude__> Do you guys know of any way of checking how much data was written to a disk in the past 24 hours?
1162 [11:10:50] <duude__> I'm buying an M.2 SSD with very low max writes (80TB)
1163 [11:10:56] <duude__> So I want to monitor it
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1167 [11:14:05] <ratrace> duude__: such SSDs have a SMART attribute that tracks total sectors written
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1172 [11:14:51] <nekoseam> so theres talk about debian removing systemd or something to that effect?
1173 [11:15:07] <themill> no
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1175 [11:15:55] <ratrace> duude__: otherwise you can script something around summing up /proc/diskstats
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1178 [11:16:48] <ratrace> nekoseam: there's talk about dropping support for _other_ inits, OR asserting init diversity and "forcing" maintainers to care about sysv too
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1183 [11:19:07] <neoclust> ratrace: this is my own packages and there is not postin, but a deb source create about 20 packages and i would like without telling every name in the command line to downgrade them
1184 [11:19:11] <nekoseam> why would someone care about sysv in 2019
1185 [11:20:13] <ratrace> nekoseam: so far Debian did. systemd is only _default_, sysv was never dropped. Many (most?) service packages carry both systemd units and sysv init scripts
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1188 [11:21:48] <ratrace> (personally, I'd applaud any efforts to minimize maintainership burden and concentrate only on systemd)
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1198 [11:23:52] <Antoine|> Hello, I'd like to make an offline copy of a website. What tool can I use?
1199 [11:24:04] <duude__> ratrace this one unfortunately doesn't, but the /proc/diskstats looks promising. I'll make a cronjob to get data every 30 mins. thanks :)
1200 [11:24:26] <ratrace> duude__: replaced-url
1201 [11:25:05] <duude__> Yep reading that atm ratrace
1202 [11:25:07] <ratrace> duude__: btw which SSD is that?
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1204 [11:27:04] <ratrace> duude__: also... filling up 80TB is gonna take a long, long time unless you know you're dealing with a lot of write IO activity. My main desktop's Samsung EVO 750 is now 4 years old, no issues so far, and it wrote only ~15TB, and I've abused that thing with Gentoo's frequent compilations...
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1278 [12:29:33] <duude__> ratrace sorry for not responding earlier
1279 [12:29:38] <duude__> my connection suddenly dropped
1280 [12:29:54] <duude__> The SSD is Transcend MTS420S, I haven't bought it yet, it's currently being shpiped to me.
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1283 [12:30:19] <duude__> It's a 240GB SSD with Smart data, but it's lifespan is max 80TB writes which is erally low for my liking.
1284 [12:30:40] <duude__> So I'm seeing how much I should write in the next 3-4 years on it before getting a replacement.
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1286 [12:32:15] <Haohmaru> if sorting things, use the cycle-sort algorithm then ;P~
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1326 [12:55:24] <ratrace> duude__: I bet it tracks how many sectors it wrote. also, I bet you'll be surprised how little is written over time, unless, again, you know you'll be running write intensive io
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1339 [13:00:36] <pigeon123> I have a security issue with XFCE desktop panel: it allows to execute any file (bash /file/name). Is there such a thing as a secure desktop environment?
1340 [13:00:58] <pigeon123> All that is required: 1. must be in PATH 2. no arguments
1341 [13:01:22] <pigeon123> Microsoft Windows has the same problem.
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1343 [13:02:03] <pigeon123> Mac OS: slightly different, because no arguments, but still allows anywhere
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1346 [13:03:54] <ratrace> pigeon123: not sure I follow what you mean by that. Can you give an example of what's happening?
1347 [13:04:46] <pigeon123> For example, I sit down at someone's computer, write a simple simple script to scp their data in text editor or office program, then create a short cut / launcher to it
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1350 [13:05:37] <pigeon123> I click and walk away
1351 [13:05:39] <Haohmaru> well, if the person is logged in and you happen to sit on the computer and play with the desktop - of course
1352 [13:05:48] <pigeon123> It shouldn't be
1353 [13:05:50] <Haohmaru> that's why there is screen locking and sh*t
1354 [13:05:55] <BCMM> pigeon123: you mean a desktop environment designed to restrict what the user can do, right?
1355 [13:05:56] <Haohmaru> and multiple user accounts
1356 [13:06:00] <BCMM> pigeon123: *in general*
1357 [13:06:05] <pigeon123> Just restrict to PATH variable
1358 [13:06:08] <ratrace> pigeon123: okay, so where's the vulnerability? you just told it to execute a bash script. scripts are not binary execs, they needn't be +x
1359 [13:06:09] <BCMM> (sorry, pressed enter by accident)
1360 [13:06:14] <themill> PATH is irrelevant to the problem
1361 [13:06:29] <pigeon123> It is relevant, because I could mark a file as exec
1362 [13:06:34] <themill> nope
1363 [13:06:39] <ratrace> it doesn't have to be +x
1364 [13:06:39] <BCMM> pigeon123: *in general* you should strive to restrict capabilities, not interfaces for using those capabilities
1365 [13:07:06] <pigeon123> Mac OS got it half right, because I can't create a short cut with arguments
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1367 [13:07:15] <themill> and I've never seen "doing exactly what the user has asked" called a security vulnerability
1368 [13:07:16] <BCMM> but for a locked-down desktop, have a look at kde's "kiosk" framework, if that's still a thing.
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1370 [13:07:39] <ratrace> pigeon123: your example doesn't make any sense. you're basically saying the computer is doing exatly what you told it to.
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1372 [13:08:09] <Johann> pigeon123: what you are looking for is a restricted desktop, like kiosk and stuff. But otherwise, by design, you can execute anything you want when you are logged on your computer
1373 [13:08:12] <BCMM> pigeon123: you know there are numerous trivial ways that a user could use executables in the $PATH to trigger execution of other executables, right?
1374 [13:08:12] <Haohmaru> you could as well reboot the machine and brainwash the root password
1375 [13:08:23] <pigeon123> BCMM: I know them all
1376 [13:08:47] <themill> pigeon123: there's not a problem here, I think we can all move on
1377 [13:08:49] <pigeon123> I just want a desktop that works like rbash
1378 [13:09:05] <BCMM> pigeon123: what do you mean by that? that you're aware of that, and don't mind? or that you're aware of every single such workaround and intend to restrict those too?
1379 [13:09:27] <pigeon123> Not a kiosk, a desktop
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1381 [13:10:14] <Haohmaru> can't you make a dedicated "guest" user that can't do much?
1382 [13:10:21] <BCMM> is this about protecting the user from doing dumb stuff by accident, or about preventing the user from deliberately performing unauthorised actions?
1383 [13:10:30] <pigeon123> Theft
1384 [13:10:42] <Haohmaru> that's gonna be hard
1385 [13:11:04] <BCMM> pigeon123: um, what?
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1387 [13:11:54] <pigeon123> I guess I will trawl Google
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1389 [13:12:56] <Johann> pigeon123: you are looking for a desktop that behave like "restricted bash", go have a look at a restricted desktop, like kiosk solutions. It's exactly the usage you are describing: secure usage of the desktop by an untrusted third party
1390 [13:13:50] <pigeon123> I want right click and shortcuts, just restrict
1391 [13:13:58] <BCMM> pigeon123: ok, but why?
1392 [13:14:10] <BCMM> what's special about the path?
1393 [13:14:10] <pigeon123> Theft, fraud
1394 [13:14:18] <BCMM> pigeon123: what does that even mean?
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1398 [13:14:41] <BCMM> do you think that somebody who has stolen your laptop won't be able to extract information from it except by making desktop shortcuts?
1399 [13:14:52] <BCMM> or that they can't do anything bad using only utilities in the $PATH?
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1401 [13:15:10] <ratrace> or that they can't run a terminal and install a whole bunch of rootkits
1402 [13:15:31] <themill> or reboot and change the root password
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1404 [13:16:05] <BCMM> (or, if you disable the terminal, any one of hundreds of other ways of executing arbitrary code using standard programs in the $PATH)
1405 [13:16:12] * Haohmaru gives pigeon123 a heavy chain, padlocks and a welder
1406 [13:16:43] <ratrace> disabling terminal is pointless. you can open the file editor and edit any of the (shell) rc scripts, troajan the sudo with some alias magic and do plenty of other nifty things. this is all pointless.
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1408 [13:17:15] <BCMM> pigeon123: "allow somebody to use the computer, without allowing them to use the computer" is a goal that is not possible. i suggest you think carefully about how what you're trying to do differs from that goal.
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1410 [13:17:41] <themill> Start with "what is the threat model"
1411 [13:18:30] <BCMM> if this is a situation where there is a finite list of specific tasks that the machine can legitimately be used for, there are frameworks to achieve that
1412 [13:18:36] <pigeon123> Thank you for your time. I'm going to try another channel.
1413 [13:18:57] <ratrace> good luck with chasing that rainbow though :)
1414 [13:18:59] <aaro> i think a lock screen would do all the trick for him
1415 [13:19:38] <BCMM> i've got an irritating feeling that pigeon123 might actually be trying to do something basically reasonable and achievable, but just isn't articulating it very well
1416 [13:19:46] <ratrace> aaro: not quite. when physical access is threat model then it's a whole new world of hurt
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1418 [13:20:27] <ratrace> aaro: plug-in your trojan USB, reboot, USB does its magic on widely open mountable drives, reboot again, pretend nothing happened.
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1421 [13:23:07] <emilsp> hey, why is debian rewriting my ping packets? I'm opening a raw socket and sending pings, but it seems like everything after the first packet is _weird_
1422 [13:23:31] <ratrace> emilsp: explain?
1423 [13:24:31] <emilsp> the seq and ID seem to be rewritten
1424 [13:24:42] <emilsp> for subsequent ICMP requests
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1427 [13:25:28] <aaro> seq and ID where? icmp header or ip header?
1428 [13:27:00] <emilsp> ICMP header.
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1432 [13:30:49] <emilsp> Ah, it seems like the ping packet is not rewritten. But even if it's not rewritten, I can only receive a single reply :/
1433 [13:31:11] <emilsp> The same code works just fine on Fedora. Same binary even. The binary is compiled on debian.
1434 [13:31:24] <emilsp> Doing the same thing with /usr/bin/ping just works
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1442 [13:38:54] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i've installed apache2 and php7.3 but the .php file are not executed, i set the main index.php file to <?php phpinfo(); ?> and get no output
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1452 [13:41:27] <Fox> did you enable the php module are reload apache ?
1453 [13:41:29] <Fox> s/are/and/
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1455 [13:42:34] <rocketmagnet> yes
1456 [13:42:43] <rocketmagnet> a2enconf php7.3-cgi
1457 [13:42:56] <rocketmagnet> and /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
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1459 [13:43:17] <yogg> Hi
1460 [13:43:36] <Fox> rocketmagnet: and a2enmod ?
1461 [13:44:16] <yogg> I try to setup an firewall with nftables. Is there a way to define complete staements? (like: define LOG = log prefix foo level info group 5)
1462 [13:45:10] <yogg> I also tried this: "add rule ... log group $LOGGROUP level $LOGINFO prefix $LOGPREFIX reject" which also fails. I don't want to hardcode this on every line
1463 [13:45:15] <rocketmagnet> Fox: replaced-url
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1468 [13:46:09] <Fox> you should use prefork then
1469 [13:46:55] <rocketmagnet> what does that mean ?
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1471 [13:48:34] <rocketmagnet> or how to do it ?
1472 [13:49:23] <Fox> do you have mpm_event enabled ?
1473 [13:49:52] <jelly> rocketmagnet: php can be run in different ways together with apache. fpm is probably the sanest these days (php7.3-fpm). Not cgi (php7,3-cgi), not mod_php (libapache2-mod-php)
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1475 [13:51:32] <rocketmagnet> Fox: yes
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1477 [13:51:44] <rocketmagnet> and when i disable it apache2 won't start
1478 [13:51:49] <rocketmagnet> Fox: ^
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1500 [14:00:51] <rocketmagnet> Fox: ?
1501 [14:01:09] <rocketmagnet> any ideas
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1508 [14:05:12] <rocketmagnet> i've searched for apache2 prefork but found nothing that would help me
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1516 [14:10:09] <ws2k3> does debian 10 still use /etc/networking/interfaces? or do they use systemd-network ?
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1520 [14:13:02] <Fox> rocketmagnet: sorry I'm at work and don't have much time :/
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1524 [14:14:00] <Fox> rocketmagnet: a2dismod mpm_event && a2enmod mpm_prefork && /etc/init.d/apache2 reload ?
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1541 [14:22:29] <BCMM> ws2k3: it uses the interfaces file for manual configuration. however, when a desktop task is installed, it will default to handling network interfaces with networkmanager.
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1616 [15:00:21] <hdei28> hello
1617 [15:00:26] <hdei28> I have a problem
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1622 [15:01:47] <annadane> hdei28, yes?
1623 [15:02:03] <hdei28> i have this message on boot: " You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journakctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot into default mode."
1624 [15:02:13] <hdei28> how to ? please
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1627 [15:03:52] <hdei28> et ça dit: "Donnez le mot de passe du superutilisateur pour la maintenance ' ou appuyez sur Ctrl et D pour continuer)
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1637 [15:07:39] <ayekat> we don't parle franglais
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1639 [15:08:15] <hdei28> i have this message on boot: " You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journakctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot into default mode."
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1641 [15:08:42] <ayekat> hdei28: log in, check the journal (I'd look at `journalctl -b`), and then see what's failing
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1657 [15:16:26] <karlpinc`> !tell hdei28 about fr
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1661 [15:19:12] <annadane> emergency mode requires a password...?
1662 [15:20:03] <dvs> root password
1663 [15:20:17] <annadane> oh, never mind. "give the password or press ctrl d to continue"
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1668 [15:22:50] <hdei28> yes
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1685 [15:36:41] <Eightynine> Which software should I use for writing iso to flash drive?
1686 [15:36:48] <greycat> cp
1687 [15:37:31] <greycat> replaced-url
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1691 [15:39:37] <kirk781> There's something called Etch as well
1692 [15:39:46] <kirk781> In either case, dd works well, I guess
1693 [15:39:52] <annadane> i still don't actually know what a flash drive is :P
1694 [15:39:58] <Eightynine> kirk781: You mean Etcher, I know such app.
1695 [15:40:05] <kirk781> Eightynine, Yes
1696 [15:40:10] <kirk781> annadane, you are here too :p
1697 [15:40:17] <greycat> I'm assuming they mean a USB mass storage device.
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1700 [15:40:59] <Eightynine> greycat: Yes, you're right.
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1707 [15:46:51] <unborn> Eightynine: he is always right, he is greatest brain out here on net
1708 [15:47:14] <greycat> I'm definitely not always right.
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1712 [15:50:32] <unborn> hi folks I have the question.. rather the stupid one but I come to this day and I have to ask.. since debian 6 I used always stable release, however I did try in my virtual machine unstable or testing - and it indeed looked to me very stable - is it quiet safe to install it on my home laptop? perhaps on my production laptop? - I mean 'sid' or perhaps I should always wait for release date?
1713 [15:51:02] <whislock> Do you rely on it?
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1715 [15:51:53] <rocketmagnet> Fox: thank you, it's working now
1716 [15:51:56] <unborn> whislock: I am rather looking out for stability however sid looks to me very stable at the moment.. did tested 9 and 10 and had no issues..
1717 [15:52:21] <whislock> "looks" "at the moment"
1718 [15:52:35] <whislock> You're already answering the question. :)
1719 [15:52:56] <whislock> I wouldn't run testing/unstable on anything that I at all rely on, personally.
1720 [15:53:20] <rocketmagnet> Fox: it worked for one time, then i made changes to index.php but i still get the phpinfo() page, i tried page-reload but that doesn't helped
1721 [15:53:32] <unborn> thanks whislock , I think the time has come for me to enjoy debian a bit more.
1722 [15:53:45] * unborn moving to sid :)
1723 [15:54:25] <Eightynine> Etcher couldn't write iso, it told me that iso is broken. But there wasn't any error messages.
1724 [15:55:33] <unborn> whislock: did tested 9 and 10 for couple of months - it was smooth and stable..
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1726 [15:55:52] <rocketmagnet> found the error xy.localhost points to localhost
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1728 [15:57:22] <whislock> unborn: You asked a question. The answer is "no, it is not quite safe."
1729 [15:57:38] <whislock> unborn: If that's okay with you, then have fun. :)
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1739 [15:59:52] <Fox> rocketmagnet: that's the solution for your php problem ? how come
1740 [16:00:04] <unborn> whislock: yes and thanks for the answer. It would sound funny but actually I would say it is safe for me. Maybe on my production machine I would wait a bit but in home devices I am very confident its safe. At least I can have fun to troubleshoot some issues if ever raised..better then hours on youtube ;)
1741 [16:01:16] <themill> s/if/when/
1742 [16:01:27] <rocketmagnet> there was another problem with the vhost also, he pointed xy.localhost also to localhost, i corrected it now it's working normaly, thank's alot
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1745 [16:01:46] <unborn> Eightynine: sorry to disrupt you... iso is broken as you saying always check downloaded iso with hashes.. it should be somewhere on deb website.
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1758 [16:06:31] <unborn> hashes = checksums (sorry)
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1768 [16:11:17] <Fox> rocketmagnet: glad to know it works then
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1781 [16:22:50] <proctrap> how can I prevent debian updates from re-enabling a system service ?
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1784 [16:23:31] <diogenes_> to mask it.
1785 [16:24:10] <proctrap> hm, interesting idea
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1788 [16:24:26] <proctrap> can I still start it then by hand ?
1789 [16:24:46] <diogenes_> only after unmask.
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1791 [16:25:22] <ratrace> but wait, which update re-enables admin-disabled service?
1792 [16:25:36] <proctrap> ratrace: 3rd party..
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1794 [16:25:42] <proctrap> ratrace: teamviewer debian packages
1795 [16:25:52] <proctrap> teamviewerd (root service required under linux..) gets re-enabled
1796 [16:26:21] <ratrace> that's some third party repo? sounds like a bug, though
1797 [16:26:51] <proctrap> hm, may be wrong but happened twice now
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1799 [16:27:10] <proctrap> last time it took me like a month to realize that daemon is running again
1800 [16:27:36] <ratrace> proctrap: but was it still disdabled? a disabled service can still be started as a dependency
1801 [16:27:59] <diogenes_> proctrap, i'd recommend anydesk instead of teamviewer, + it's portable also if you absolutely need it, you can run it in your web browser, they have webapp.
1802 [16:28:00] <proctrap> that's right but AFAIK it was running after 3 weeks or so and I reboot daily
1803 [16:28:05] <proctrap> work laptop
1804 [16:28:07] <proctrap> not a server ^^
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1806 [16:28:27] <proctrap> diogenes_: didn't look into it that much, anydesk has cross-system support ?
1807 [16:28:40] <diogenes_> yes
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1809 [16:28:52] <proctrap> I only need it when I have absolutely no other choice than to login to a user to help getting something to work
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1812 [16:29:04] <proctrap> like twice a year..
1813 [16:29:22] <diogenes_> anydesk is much better.
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1815 [16:29:46] <diogenes_> no installation needed.
1816 [16:29:48] <proctrap> oh looks nice
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1818 [16:30:12] <proctrap> yeah for linux they apparently don't have a portable version of teamviewer
1819 [16:30:25] <proctrap> and the full feature contains non-attendance mode
1820 [16:30:34] <proctrap> which obviously requires a daemon to work regardless of a login
1821 [16:30:54] <proctrap> .. which I don't want to be reachable without any choice
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1823 [16:31:22] <proctrap> well that could a be a fix for the future :P
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1825 [16:31:57] <diogenes_> here is where you can use tviewer in your browser: replaced-url
1826 [16:32:00] * proctrap sudo apt remove --purge teamviewer
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1828 [16:32:09] <proctrap> diogenes_: thanks
1829 [16:32:17] <diogenes_> yw.
1830 [16:33:04] <trench> why use teamviewer at all, vnc over ssh works fine?
1831 [16:33:12] <proctrap> trench: please don't say that
1832 [16:33:13] <versuchsanstalt> I am writing a bash script that's supposed to make a number of consecutive telnet connections to switches like (echo "input bla"; sleep 2; echo "exit") | telnet hostname. Exiting the telnet session always makes the script exit, too. How can I prevent that?
1833 [16:33:40] <proctrap> trench: it definitely breaks with a lot of systems, has horrible integration of different features
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1836 [16:34:03] <proctrap> on my system you get a nice flicker screen with invalid colors and half the windows missing
1837 [16:34:19] <proctrap> and then you need a simple solution for non-tech people to install a client
1838 [16:34:25] <jelly> trench: vnc over ssh requires a) vnc server b) ssh server c) separate NAT passthru (port forward, or vpn)
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1842 [16:35:54] <proctrap> VNC is a nice MVP, but nothing more for the real world apart from tech savvy users with enough time
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1848 [16:38:13] <trench> then try any of theese: replaced-url
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1856 [16:42:00] <trench> and tell me what works instead :P
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1865 [16:49:36] <greycat> versuchsanstalt: bash is not suited to that task. Try expect, or one of expect's peers.
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1867 [16:50:20] <greycat> versuchsanstalt: now on the other hand, if you don't ACTUALLY mean telnet, i.e. there is no login and password dialog, then you might be able to hack something together using nc or socat.
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1884 [16:58:51] <versuchsanstalt> greycat: I was trying to avoid expect, but your advice sounds right. I'm still trying to understand the way this fails though. "Connection closed by remote host" after my part of the script echoing "exit"... I'd think I'd be able to put simply put it in a subshell and that would be exited, but no matter in how many subshells I'm nesting it, it
1885 [16:58:52] <versuchsanstalt> keeps on. Without understanding what is happening, I'd try to put the individual connection into a different script and execute them from a main one.
1886 [16:58:59] <versuchsanstalt> Thank you for your reply, greycat.
1887 [17:00:31] <versuchsanstalt> And yes, it actually is telnet.
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1912 [17:14:34] <unborn> what a nice day guys :) I have to reboot and then dive into sid. perhaps some months later o/ - have a fun
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1917 [17:17:53] <Eightynine> I checked md5sum they are identical.
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1996 [17:59:51] <Eightynine> I checked md5sum and it was identical. ISO was written without problems (I used dd). I tried Debian installer but it stuck when configuring network. I rebooted my PC and started Live mode and launched Calamares. Installation was finished without problems but after installation I couldn't check updates.
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1999 [18:01:26] <Canucktux> I updated my thinkpad (T430s) from Debian 9 to 10 and now theres no sound
2000 [18:01:57] <Canucktux> Only a dummy output shows up in pavucontrol. Bluetooth speakers do work though.
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2002 [18:02:06] <Canucktux> Is this common from upgrading?
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2004 [18:02:38] <greycat> replaced-url
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2011 [18:05:17] <Canucktux> greycat: Awesome! I'll give that a shot.
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2013 [18:06:46] <Eightynine> How can I remove all languages I don't need?
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2038 [18:18:55] <ratrace> JyZyXEL: being rather old options, they should be, yes.
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2143 [19:19:34] <hdei28> hello
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2145 [19:19:41] <hdei28> i have a problem
2146 [19:19:45] <hdei28> " You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journakctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot into default mode."
2147 [19:20:10] <hdei28> [FAILED] Failed to start File system Check on /dev/................
2148 [19:20:28] <jelly> does /dev/...... exist?
2149 [19:20:35] <hdei28> See systemctl status ...........[depend] Dependency Dependency failed for /home[depend] Dependency failed for Local File Systems
2150 [19:21:04] <jelly> hdei28: did you change your filesystem layout and forgot to update /etc/fstab?
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2173 [19:33:15] <hdei28> if i write "mount -a" it's ok for starting session
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2175 [19:34:02] <hdei28> after in the session, i restart the computer but i have the error message
2176 [19:34:05] <hdei28> :
2177 [19:34:17] <hdei28> " You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journakctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot into default mode."[FAILED] Failed to start File system Check on /dev/................
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2184 [19:42:58] <Eightynine> How can I install Telegram? I see older version in repositories. I tried to install flatpak but it doesn't work for me. Stucks at 0% when downloading Telegram. I tried to use VPN to download directly from site but it takes long to download and then fails.
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2189 [19:46:59] <johnfg> Where do I set how many kernels are saved in /boot? I'm low on space on /boot, and I notice I've got 3 kernels.
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2198 [19:51:38] <hdei28> j'en ai plein les einss
2199 [19:52:05] <avu> johnfg: try `apt autoremove`
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2204 [19:55:37] <johnfg> avu: Thanks, I'd just done first the: 'apt-mark auto ^linux-image-', then the apt autoremove, and things are getting taken care of.
2205 [19:56:05] <jhutchins_wk> !fr
2206 [19:56:06] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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2240 [20:13:52] <Fyr> guys, is there differencce between normal Debian and GNU/hurd for a user?
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2245 [20:15:31] <ratrace> Fyr: yes, hurd is an experimental microkernel that's probably not going to work
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2247 [20:15:41] <dvs> Fyr, "normal Debian"? Do you mean linux vs. HURD?
2248 [20:15:48] <Fyr> yes
2249 [20:15:58] <Fyr> I'm a simple user, I use bash, Deluge etc.
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2253 [20:16:27] <Fyr> will it be different if I install Debian GNU/Hurd?
2254 [20:17:15] <dvs> Fyr, I think HURD is still experimental. It doesn't support near as many devices as the linux kernel.
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2256 [20:17:56] <Fyr> ok
2257 [20:18:21] <jhutchins_wk> !debian users guide
2258 [20:18:22] <dpkg> If you are looking for manuals, guides and procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the administrator's view and others - see replaced-url
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2261 [20:25:20] <jken_> Hello, what is the difference between watchdog and wd_keepalive?
2262 [20:25:57] <jken_> I have an issue with my system, where it hangs in early boot. I am hoping I can leverage the hardware watchdog to recover from that situation but can't make sense of which one of those daemons is actually updating the hardwasre
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2266 [20:28:49] <jken_> Also is it possible for the watchdog device to be "started" by default so if nothing ever writes to it the system reboots
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2270 [20:31:38] <jken_> Something similar to CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT but without requiring it be started by a userspace daemon?
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2282 [20:39:28] <jhutchins_wk> jken: you're assuming that the watchdog will start before whatever is causing it to hang, and will still be running when it hangs.
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2284 [20:39:51] <jken> Yes, that is my assumption
2285 [20:40:10] <jken> Basically, I want to start the watchdog when the hardware itself receives power
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2287 [20:42:37] <jhutchins_wk> jken: I don't have specific knowledge, but I don't think it works that way.
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2303 [20:50:34] <EdePopede> how can i find out which partition belongs to which mount point without looking around endlessly? fdisk/gdisk give me the old partition names i don't use, i have to look which uuid it is, then check fstab for its mountpoint. that's all but a relaxed task.
2304 [20:51:27] <greycat> df
2305 [20:52:22] <dvs> lsblk
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2308 [20:54:37] <jken> jhutchins_wk, I am wondering if it might be possible to compile my kernel with a custom module that calls iTCO_wdt_start from the iTCO_wdt module..
2309 [20:54:42] <jken> before userpsace
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2311 [20:55:08] <EdePopede> both are nice to see what is actually mounted, but none of them tells me where the not mounted disk would be mounted. and i don't want to TIAS, i need them in order and i don't want everything mounted all the time, especially i may decide to remove the external disk
2312 [20:55:42] <EdePopede> so what mountpoint will be used for sda1 and sdd1?
2313 [20:56:17] <humbabl> that depends what iis going to mount it
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2315 [20:56:32] <EdePopede> i don't even know which of them is the external one
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2317 [20:57:02] <greycat> your question doesn't make much sense. if the disk isn't already mounted, what makes you think something *would* mount it in some hypothetical future?
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2320 [20:58:07] <EdePopede> fdisk -l gives me the only hint a can even get, the Disk ID. but that's something i REALLY can't remember
2321 [20:58:29] <EdePopede> that's what the mount command is for?
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2325 [21:00:20] <EdePopede> the first thing i get rid of in xfce are the hoards of disk icons on the desktop, most of them are named the same, thus useless. same for that idiotic sidebar in open/save dialogs (hello, redmond!)
2326 [21:00:39] <greycat> The only speculation I can make about your question is "I have a bunch of external disks with partitions with UUIDs but no labels. I have an fstab with all of these UUIDs in it, marked noauto, so they don't prevent booting."
2327 [21:00:49] <greycat> If that is the situation, then I suggest you start using labels.
2328 [21:00:51] <EdePopede> but without some extra code it seems i can't get more info in the shell, unless i do a lot of typing
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2330 [21:01:25] <EdePopede> yep, the speculation is correct
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2335 [21:02:48] <EdePopede> and i really have no clue how to name partitions. all i could think of is doing it the roman way, numbering them. but they already have numbers, so i don't win anything.
2336 [21:03:10] <greycat> You use labels that describe their purpose, to you.
2337 [21:03:25] <EdePopede> atm they're all rather unsorted data dumps
2338 [21:03:28] <Eightynine> greycat Why does Debian have problems with flatpak?
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2341 [21:04:54] <EdePopede> and i don't even find my files half of the time because i can't remember how i named the one where the information i really need right now is located.
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2343 [21:05:19] <greycat> sounds more like a you-problem than a debian-problem
2344 [21:05:32] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: You need a hierarchy of folders that makes sense to you so you can find things.
2345 [21:05:42] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: There are also various ways to find a file.
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2347 [21:05:46] <EdePopede> i'm good with descriptions, but i fail completely with namings
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2350 [21:05:53] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: You may need to keep notes.
2351 [21:06:27] <EdePopede> jhutchins: half of the time i'm hunting for something hidden somewhere in my notes
2352 [21:06:33] <Stx> You may need a secretary. :-)
2353 [21:06:40] <EdePopede> indeed
2354 [21:07:06] <EdePopede> where's this "AI" they're promising us for 20 years now?
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2356 [21:07:21] <EdePopede> anyway, labels don't really work for me
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2360 [21:08:12] <Veneziano78> Un saluto a tutti
2361 [21:08:16] <EdePopede> labels as in "e2label". those sticky ones *may* be a way
2362 [21:09:25] <Veneziano78> avrei bisogno di un aiutino se possibile
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2364 [21:09:43] <EdePopede> does the Disk Identifier change? or was it the same before i created the first partition on it?
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2366 [21:09:55] <EdePopede> !it
2367 [21:09:55] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
2368 [21:10:12] <Veneziano78> grazie
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2370 [21:10:35] <EdePopede> eh... ciao :D
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2374 [21:14:27] <Veneziano78> non mi risponde nessuno
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2376 [21:14:41] <Veneziano78> nel canale indicato
2377 [21:14:56] <Veneziano78> =L ;(
2378 [21:15:02] <greycat> We will not magically learn Italian in the next minute.
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2380 [21:15:12] <jhutchins_wk> We had a high-end lawyer who was in the habit of accidentally dragging a folder to some random place and loosing it. That was fun.
2381 [21:16:02] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: You may have luck using "last modified date" to find recent files.
2382 [21:17:33] <EdePopede> jhutchins_wk: actually i have mc sorted to mdate most of the time :)
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2385 [21:18:14] <ratrace> Veneziano78: qualche aiutino
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2387 [21:18:49] <Veneziano78> si magari
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2389 [21:18:57] <Veneziano78> XD
2390 [21:20:15] <ratrace> Veneziano78: spiega, qual é il problema
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2393 [21:21:18] <EdePopede> but recent, well... often i'm wondering why firefox doesn't come up with suggestions from the past it should have in history. but then it seems that i didn't look for that page for a couple of month. that's just like needing a "recent files" list with hundreds of entries. i know, a "me" problem. and i see no tools or methods to work around it.
2394 [21:21:24] <Veneziano78> non capisco... perché mi è sparito la login e passwor dall interface web di OMV?
2395 [21:21:49] <ratrace> Veneziano78: OMV?
2396 [21:21:53] <Veneziano78> questa sera ho modificato l'ip del nas da dhcp a statico
2397 [21:21:59] <Veneziano78> si
2398 [21:22:06] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: Firefox has bugs in it's history routine that I reported back when it was still mosaic.
2399 [21:22:25] <Veneziano78> openmediavalut
2400 [21:22:29] <ratrace> ah
2401 [21:22:56] <Veneziano78> praticamente quando apro l'interfaccia mi esce la pagina web crretta di OMV ma senza poter fare il login
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2403 [21:23:35] <Veneziano78> cioè il riquadro dove autenticarsi è scomparso
2404 [21:23:49] <Veneziano78> ergo non posso più accedere al server
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2406 [21:24:03] <Veneziano78> nn capisc...
2407 [21:24:06] <ratrace> sfortunamente, omv non e supportato qui, non sappiamo quali modifiche abbiano apportato a debian
2408 [21:24:25] <Veneziano78> capisco
2409 [21:24:33] <Veneziano78> quindi niente aiuto?
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2411 [21:25:03] <ratrace> almeno da parte mia, non avrei conosciuto omv, scusi
2412 [21:25:06] <EdePopede> jhutchins_wk: they changed the algorithm some years ago, took me month to find out. before this i kept it for like forever, and it worked pretty good. now it is limited to 3 month or something per default. and even these 3 month pass by like nothing. so checking for mdate would probably not help much, the file i "just" edited may be burried after some 500 others already :(
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2416 [21:25:31] <Veneziano78> no no... grazi infinite per avermi risposto
2417 [21:25:38] <Veneziano78> figurati
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2422 [21:26:53] <Veneziano78> buona serata
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2510 [22:28:40] <TwistedFate> nice replaced-url
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2523 [22:41:27] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, let's put one graphical binary in charge of everything the system does. We'll call it "Windows".
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2529 [22:44:48] <swift110> sup folks
2530 [22:44:55] <swift110> creating a debian live usb now
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2532 [22:45:38] <adamantium> Hi, does Debian 10 use gnome3 / wayland by default
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2535 [22:46:55] <swift110> adamantium, im sure you can add it
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2537 [22:47:06] <jmcnaught> adamantium: if during the installer you select "Debian Desktop Environment" and do not select one of the DE options then you will get GNOME 3 and it uses Wayland by default, but you can still select Xorg at login.
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2539 [22:47:48] <adamantium> ok thx
2540 [22:47:51] <greycat> You can also choose to install with a desktop environment other than GNOME, or with no desktop environment at all.
2541 [22:48:10] <greycat> In either of those cases, wayland is *not* used by default.
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2554 [22:55:01] <iomintz> how can i make *.localhost resolve to ::1 ?
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2556 [22:55:30] <iomintz> i'd like to test my virtual hosts config (ec.localhost, cm.localhost, etc) without having to go through the public internet
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2570 [23:04:30] <karlpinc`> iomintz: There's various ways, starting with editing /etc/hosts.
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2573 [23:06:52] <iomintz> karlpinc` how do i apply changes to etc/hosts?
2574 [23:07:25] <karlpinc`> iomintz: The are immediately active. Use "getent hosts foo" to test.
2575 [23:07:50] <iomintz> hmm can't use wildcards
2576 [23:08:35] <swift110> ok this laptop wont take 64 bit debian
2577 [23:08:37] <swift110> that stinks
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2579 [23:08:54] <karlpinc`> swift110: That does. How do you know?
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2581 [23:09:21] <iomintz> so getent hosts ec.localhost succeeds, but nslookup ec.localhost fails
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2583 [23:09:26] <swift110> z61m because the error message tells me so
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2587 [23:10:53] <karlpinc`> iomintz: Yes. nslookup, dig, etc., do DNS lookups. DNS is only part of the resolver.
2588 [23:11:12] <iomintz> oh ok
2589 [23:11:18] <iomintz> it works with curl so nvm
2590 [23:11:37] <karlpinc`> Everything but dns test tools go through the resolver.
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2594 [23:14:11] <karlpinc`> iomintz: FYI. I believe that using "localhost" as a top-level domain breaks the standards. ("localnet" is also often used, and is also non-standard but less invasive.)
2595 [23:14:21] <GenTooMan> so unless I am missing something in buster python3-qt4-dbus isn't present, python-qt4-dbus is. The version of hplip is old 3.18.12 the latest in march was 3.19.3 and current is 3.19.8. 3.18.12 doesn't detect printers correctly if they are multifunction and crashes with a python error suggestions?
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2597 [23:14:49] <iomintz> karlpinc` as far as i'm aware it is the default on arch and ubuntu
2598 [23:14:54] <iomintz> so i figured it was OK to do
2599 [23:15:39] <karlpinc`> iomintz: localhost itself is always 127.0.0.1 and ::1, but adding dots to the left feels like trouble.
2600 [23:15:51] <karlpinc`> GenTooMan: Anything in backports?
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2603 [23:16:16] <karlpinc`> ,v python3-qt4-dbus
2604 [23:16:17] <judd> No package named 'python3-qt4-dbus' was found in amd64.
2605 [23:16:31] <iomintz> karlpinc`: why? it's useful, for instance, for adding password manager entries for sites developed on localhost, and keeping cookies separate
2606 [23:16:35] <GenTooMan> karlpinc` That I haven't checked ...
2607 [23:16:53] <iomintz> it is also useful for web servers that serve different content depending on the Host header
2608 [23:16:57] <GenTooMan> kallpinc` let me check hplip to see if they updated that.
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2612 [23:18:29] <karlpinc`> GenTooMan: If it's not in backports (and I'm not sure if you're giving me package names or program names) then you can try self-backporting. replaced-url
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2615 [23:19:45] <karlpinc`> iomintz: Because it is a reserved name. (I'm pretty sure.) You'd have to read the RFC. You can do all that with some other locally created name that's not "localhost".
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2617 [23:20:49] <karlpinc`> ,v hplip
2618 [23:20:50] <judd> Package: hplip on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.6-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; stretch-backports: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; bullseye: 3.19.8+dfsg0-1; sid: 3.19.8+dfsg0-3
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2622 [23:21:30] <karlpinc`> GenTooMan: So, see the ssb factoid.
2623 [23:21:32] <karlpinc`> !ssb
2624 [23:21:32] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2625 [23:22:08] <karlpinc`> ,checkbackport hplip
2626 [23:22:09] <judd> Backporting package hplip in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
2627 [23:22:19] <karlpinc`> Humm. :-(
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2630 [23:22:48] <karlpinc`> GenTooMan: Also, check the bug tracking system.
2631 [23:23:08] <iomintz> karlpinc`: but like, just localhost still resolves on my systems
2632 [23:23:12] <iomintz> so why is it troublesome?
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2641 [23:31:34] <GenTooMan> thanks karlpinc` I captured the failure in hplip running hp-setup. (in case bored replaced-url
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2653 [23:39:01] <kreyren> Looking for bruteforce cli tool on debian
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2666 [23:43:03] <humbabl> do what
2667 [23:46:54] <kreyren> humbabl, eh?
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2669 [23:47:56] <humbabl> you've been here enough to know you need to explain yourself a bit more than that
2670 [23:49:09] <kreyren> browsing old files and i locked rar archive that i don't remember password two excluding that it's 4 digits all numbers
2671 [23:49:21] <kreyren> starting with 48
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2674 [23:50:22] <humbabl> ah
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2678 [23:53:47] <ectospasm> kreyren: does your RAR tool take the password via standard input? You could do something like: for i in {0000..9999}; do echo $i; <rar_tool> <<< $i; done
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2681 [23:54:16] <kreyren> i'm trying to use unrar it should accept it, trying
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2687 [23:55:24] <ectospasm> You could make it more robust by throwing a $? test in there. If it exits with 0 then you've probably found your password.
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2690 [23:57:18] <kreyren> yep got it and it has text file saying 'lol' followed by my signature
2691 [23:57:32] <kreyren> lol.. thanks
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