• 0[00:00:48] <nvz> AndroUser: and as I said before, is there any indication as to why? did you upgrade recently, have power failure? whats the background here?
• 1[00:02:32] <nvz> AndroUser: will it boot in recovery mode form the advanced menu?
• 2[00:02:45] <AndroUser> nvz>. I attempted to upgrade to buster from stretch, but the upgrade didn't work. I returned the /etc/apt/sources.list to it's stretch configuration.
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• 4[00:03:05] <nvz> heh
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• 6[00:03:18] <AndroUser> It somehow messed up the boot
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• 9[00:03:44] <independent> .
• 10[00:03:47] <nvz> yeah you can't undo that by changing the sources.list back, that cat is already out of the bag
• 11[00:04:32] <nvz> AndroUser: what is the kernel version showing on the boot screen? 4.9.0? 4.19? 5.2?
• 12[00:04:54] <nvz> as specific as possible would be helpful
• 13[00:05:11] <nvz> you'll see the version if you go to the advanced menu
• 14[00:05:33] <nvz> and after you do that, try the recovery mode option see if it boots to a maint prompt
• 15[00:06:17] <AndroUser> I have four boot options at startup, and one of them is start Debian on/dev/sda4. If I select that option the is doesn't recognize my credentials.
• 16[00:06:48] <nvz> o.O
• 17[00:06:49] <AndroUser> What about fdisk to repair the boot?
• 18[00:07:13] <nvz> sure, if you're using windows 95
• 19[00:07:22] <nvz> then a fdisk /mbr might help
• 20[00:07:37] <nvz> but if you're using Debian, then fdisk has nothing to do with this
• 21[00:08:22] <AndroUser> nvz> Kernel version is 5.2.0.0 and some other characters after that
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• 27[00:08:51] <nvz> AndroUser: do you recall deliberately installing a 5.2 kernel from backports?
• 28[00:09:56] <AndroUser> 5.2 was what I initially started out with, but I had backports in my etc file
• 29[00:10:24] <nvz> yes well Debian won't install anything from backports without being told to explicitly
• 30[00:10:52] <nvz> and you don't start out with linux 5.2 on Debian unless you'd used an unstable installer very recently
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• 33[00:11:11] <nvz> if you were running stretch or buster, you wouldnt have "started out" with 5.2
• 34[00:11:41] <AndroUser> I thought I was running 5.2.0.4, but after the crash it reverted to
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• 36[00:12:03] <AndroUser> 5.2.0.0
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• 38[00:12:32] <nvz> idk what you got going on there, but its not sounding like Debian stable to me.. you probably need to reinstall if you want to be running stable
• 39[00:12:57] <klys> androuser, is that your android version?
• 40[00:13:05] <nvz> I can still more than likely get the system up and running again, and figure out more what happened, but I need more cooperation from your end
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• 42[00:13:21] <AndroUser> nvz>. I would like to back up my data to a memory stick first.
• 43[00:13:47] <nvz> AndroUser: that would probably be wise.. but for right now you should try to boot the recovery option and see if that works
• 44[00:13:55] <AndroUser> nvz> what do you need to know?
• 45[00:14:06] <AndroUser> Ok
• 46[00:14:07] <nvz> AndroUser: I need to know if the recovery boots
• 47[00:15:00] <nvz> AndroUser: if you have means to reinstall and rather do that, thats fine.. but if you wanna fix this we gotta first try recovery mode, then if that doesnt work we gotta try bypassing init so we can get in and poke around figure out wth you did
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• 49[00:15:25] <AndroUser> I would like to try fixing it.
• 50[00:15:37] <nvz> AndroUser: what kind of network connectivity does this machine have available?
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• 53[00:16:14] <AndroUser> Running Charter Communications st 100mbs
• 54[00:16:17] <nvz> cause if we can get into it, pasting some stuff would help.. as would perhaps getting you on irc from the machine asap to fix whatever you got going on
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• 56[00:16:25] <nvz> AndroUser: yes, is it wired? wireless?
• 57[00:16:33] <AndroUser> Recovery mode is still booting.
• 58[00:16:41] <AndroUser> Wireless
• 59[00:16:55] <nvz> AndroUser: do you have a DE installed?
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• 61[00:17:46] <AndroUser> I'm not sure if DE is installed Recovery mode is now promoting me for the password.
• 62[00:17:58] <nvz> AndroUser: and can you login using the root password?
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• 64[00:18:38] <nvz> if its prompting for the password thats a good sign, its able to fully boot..
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• 68[00:19:28] <nvz> and since you don't seem to know that DE is Desktop Environment i.e. GNOME, KDE, MATE, Cinnamon, XFCE, LXDE, LXQT, what you mean by not booting apparently means you're not getting your graphical login screen
• 69[00:19:45] <nvz> cause the machine is booting fine if you see the maintence prompt for the password on recovery mode
• 70[00:19:53] <AndroUser> I selected Ctl D instead, and now promoted me for credentials, but no longer recognizes my password.
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• 74[00:21:02] <nvz> AndroUser: well that we can fix.. we'll reset your password.. can you manage to click a link and view an image if I send you one? Its not often so easy on android clients :P
• 75[00:21:29] <AndroUser> nvz> Yes, I can do that.
• 76[00:22:27] <nvz> AndroUser: what we're gonna do is reboot the machine and on the main entry in grub you'd normally press enter to boot we're gonna press the E key instead and edit something. I'll show you a picture of the screen
• 77[00:22:41] <AndroUser> Ok
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• 80[00:24:07] <AndroUser> I rebooted, selected "e", scrolled to the line with Linux, and then selected "end" on my keyboard.
• 81[00:24:32] <nvz> AndroUser: then you're ahead of me here.. just add init=/bin/bash to that line and press Ctrl+x to boot
• 82[00:24:46] <nvz> AndroUser: figured you might need a visual to get that far
• 83[00:24:49] <nvz> :D
• 84[00:24:54] <AndroUser> What is the command I should enter st the end of the line?
• 85[00:25:02] <nvz> AndroUser: init=/bin/bash
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• 87[00:25:42] <nvz> AndroUser: that should cause the machine to boot directly to the commandline without normal bootup or password entry
• 88[00:27:14] <AndroUser> I get error messages, and then the boot screen went lightning fast, and the machine shut off.
• 89[00:27:27] <nvz> hmm.. thats rather odd
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• 91[00:28:03] <AndroUser> One of the error messages said failed to start initialization layer.
• 92[00:28:09] <nvz> AndroUser: are you sure it turned off and the screen didn't just go black?
• 93[00:28:46] <AndroUser> No, it turned off, but only after running a massive number of lines of code.
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• 95[00:29:28] <nvz> AndroUser: replaced-url
• 96[00:29:29] <AndroUser> Init hw failure is one of the errors. It shut off again.
• 97[00:30:45] <nvz> when I do it, I just get 4 lines and drops directly to a shell. two lines about /dev/sda1 recovering journal, and being clean, and two about bash saying there is no process group and job control
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• 99[00:31:52] <nvz> when I edit as shown in that picture above, and press Ctrl+X I'm immediately dropped into a shell like this replaced-url
• 100[00:33:22] <nvz> AndroUser: do you not have a root password to have tried to login at the maint shell from recovery mode?
• 101[00:33:34] <AndroUser> I already did that and entered the command at the end of the line starting with "Linux"
• 102[00:34:48] <AndroUser> nvz> I am going to try it again, but this time won't select control d when promoted for root password
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• 105[00:35:32] <nvz> its far easier to work from the maint shell than from bypassing init if you have a root password
• 106[00:35:59] <nvz> I don't have a root password, or any passwords.. heh.. so I have to go that route if I need to do it.. I only have keys and fingerprints
• 107[00:36:01] <AndroUser> Incidentally I am running xfce for the de.
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• 111[00:38:53] <AndroUser> Nope, the laptop powered off again after running a massive number of lines, and this time didn't prompt me for the root password
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• 114[00:40:41] <letterrip> nvz - hmm i must have messed something up - the debian grub-update doesn't find the debian partition at all; the ubuntu grub-update finds in but then it isn't in the menu during boot
• 115[00:41:02] <AndroUser> I rebooted using a different recovery option on sda4.
• 116[00:41:54] <nvz> letterrip: for grub in a chroot to find partitions it needs access to the running kernel via /proc /dev and /sys being bind mounted into the chroot
• 117[00:42:12] <AndroUser> Hoorah. I am at root.
• 118[00:42:23] <letterrip> nvz - yeah i had that done - via how you did it above
• 119[00:42:32] <nvz> AndroUser: then it should be simple enough to change your password now
• 120[00:42:58] <letterrip> nvz for i in proc sys dev; do mount --bind "/$i" "/mnt/$i"; don
• 121[00:43:13] <nvz> letterrip: is the chroot in /mnt ?
• 122[00:43:19] <letterrip> hold on... may have figured out my error
• 123[00:43:19] <AndroUser> Isn't that the su commmand?
• 124[00:43:35] <nvz> AndroUser: passwd user
• 125[00:43:40] <nvz> AndroUser: where user is your username
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• 128[00:44:39] <nvz> AndroUser: then you should be able to systemctl default
• 129[00:44:47] <nvz> and login as your user
• 130[00:44:55] <letterrip> nvz - yeppers that was the issue - they both see it now :)
• 131[00:45:06] <letterrip> but - still the issue of it not being in the menu on boot
• 132[00:45:15] <letterrip> so i likely still have a 'doh!' somewhere
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• 136[00:46:09] <letterrip> nvz - will reboot to see if that fixed it... brb
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• 138[00:46:17] <nvz> letterrip: with the bind mounts all in place, from the chroot install grub if that doesn't work
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• 140[00:46:58] <nvz> i.e. grub-install /dev/sda or whatever
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• 142[00:47:16] <nvz> guess you left already :P
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• 144[00:47:50] <AndroUser> nvz>. Can you run the syntax by again for changing the password
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• 146[00:48:01] <nvz> AndroUser: passwd username
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• 148[00:50:03] <nvz> hmm.. that was annoying :D my machine just locked up, had to SAK it
• 149[00:50:57] <ZaZaGX> whats SAK?
• 150[00:51:01] <AndroUser> I updated the password, and it still won't work st the boot loader. I am going to try to get back to the command line again.
• 151[00:51:08] <ZaZaGX> i googled it. and it says Saks 5th Ave
• 152[00:51:32] <nvz> ZaZaGX: Sysrq+Alt+K or a system request kill
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• 157[00:52:26] <nvz> AndroUser: you needed only type systemctl default after resetting the password
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• 159[00:53:20] <ZaZaGX> i don't have a Sysrq key
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• 161[00:53:32] <nvz> ZaZaGX: do you have a PrntScr?
• 162[00:53:39] <ZaZaGX> yeah
• 163[00:53:45] <nvz> ZaZaGX: thats the magic sysrq key
• 164[00:53:53] <ZaZaGX> what does SAK do?
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• 166[00:54:04] <nvz> ZaZaGX: it kills
• 167[00:54:11] <dvs> O_O
• 168[00:54:23] <ZaZaGX> kills the lastest zombie application?
• 169[00:54:24] <nvz> typically from within X, it'll result in being dumped back to your Display Manager login screen
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• 171[00:54:42] <nvz> ZaZaGX: it kills whatever is using the most resources typically by default
• 172[00:55:03] <nvz> ZaZaGX: sysrq can do all kinds of things SAK is only one of them, all are useful when SHTF
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• 174[00:55:23] <nvz> if you know how to use it and do it swiftly you can regain control of a system
• 175[00:55:35] <ZaZaGX> ohh cool
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• 177[00:55:50] <nvz> it can flush disk cache, unmount volumes, all kinds of stuff
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• 179[00:56:09] <nvz> its a kernel feature, works as long as the kernel can still get a keyboard interrupt
• 180[00:56:32] <nvz> which is why you gotta act fast before thats no longer possible cause its slammed with IO and OOMing
• 181[00:56:47] <nvz> throwing interrupts like crazy and has no memory to do anything
• 182[00:57:08] <AndroUser> nvz>. I reset the password, typed systemctl default, and my password still won't work in the boot loader input screen.
• 183[00:57:33] <nvz> heh..
• 184[00:57:39] <nvz> I bet he just tried a SAK
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• 186[00:57:44] <ZaZaGX> doh! I didn't know how to revert back to the screen
• 187[00:57:54] <nvz> ZaZaGX: replaced-url
• 188[00:58:06] <ZaZaGX> i had to hard press the restart button. or power button
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• 190[00:58:36] <nvz> AndroUser: well if the machine is booting, lets just leave it at that and get you up and running to where we can get you off the phone at least and figure out wth you got going on there
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• 193[00:59:25] <nvz> AndroUser: if it will boot to the grpahical login from rescue mode, do that.. then press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to tty1 and first try login there as your user.. if that doesn't work login as root
• 194[00:59:46] <nvz> AndroUser: once you got the machine running in default mode and logged in on tty1, we can get you online and install a text mode irc client
• 195[00:59:50] <ZaZaGX> nvz, omg so much reading.
• 196[01:01:17] <nvz> ZaZaGX: yeah, well I guess the default SAK behavior is to kill all processes on a given terminal.. its been a long time since I read up on it or compiled a kernel.. but you can change a lot of the sysrq behaviors
• 197[01:01:53] <ZaZaGX> so, my stupid school's wifi network blocks TOR and VPN. is there a way around it?
• 198[01:02:01] <ZaZaGX> and they block my protonmail
• 199[01:02:30] <AndroUser> nvz>. I had Hexchat installed before the crash.
• 200[01:02:42] <nvz> AndroUser: yeah hexchat is no good its a GUI client
• 201[01:02:50] <ZaZaGX> AndroUser, install Irssi
• 202[01:03:08] <nvz> AndroUser: just get the machine fully booted, drop into tty1, try your user first, if that fails, login as root and we'll go from there
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• 204[01:04:10] <nvz> cause we need to get you into a non-root user account too.. but first we need to get you to stop rebooting and trying crap on your own and online and on irc from the comptuer so we can get logs and crap
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• 206[01:04:40] <nvz> if you could fix this yourself you wouldn't still be here.. so just relax, get the machine booted and logged in and let us help you here
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• 211[01:06:03] <nvz> all this talk about 5.2, other kernels on other partitions, failed upgrades, etc.. tells me you got something seriously FUBAR
• 212[01:06:16] <nvz> and you hammering around on a cell phone irc client isnt getting us anywhere
• 213[01:06:24] <AndroUser> nvz>. I think the problem is that the passed command is updating the administrative password, but the password that needs to be updated is the user password.
• 214[01:06:47] <nvz> AndroUser: if you type the username after the passwd command, it updates the user's password
• 215[01:07:08] <AndroUser> Ok
• 216[01:07:10] <nvz> AndroUser: doesn't change the fact that you need to get into the system, get it online, and get on irc from the computer and be able to paste logs
• 217[01:07:36] <nvz> AndroUser: if you just trust me on this, I'll help you get it figured out but you gotta work with me not against me here
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• 219[01:08:17] <duude__> o/ all
• 220[01:08:28] <nvz> duude__: where's my car?
• 221[01:08:42] <Mdlpe> nvz: please i didn't wrote the modification I done to solve the wifi issue. Please can you repeat witch file i need to modify and the line I need to add. I need to make another Debian install on a desktop.
• 222[01:09:11] <duude__> nvz, not sure, do you mean your lamborghini or ferrari?
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• 224[01:09:21] <nvz> Mdlpe: /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames"
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• 226[01:09:28] <ZaZaGX> i thought he was talking about Good Burger
• 227[01:09:35] <nvz> duude__: apparently you'd not seen that movie :P
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• 229[01:09:47] <duude__> I have not haha, which one, nvz?
• 230[01:09:59] <nvz> duude__: "Dude, where's my car"
• 231[01:10:04] <duude__> ah
• 232[01:10:19] <duude__> Oh man, 2000
• 233[01:10:27] <duude__> My birth year
• 234[01:10:39] <nvz> o.o
• 235[01:10:48] <duude__> I'll add it to my to-watch list. Cheers
• 236[01:11:11] <letterrip> nvz - ok just triple checked - and it isn't being detected in the chroot - here are the commands and output
• 237[01:11:13] <letterrip> replaced-url
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• 239[01:11:19] <nvz> duude__: sweet, what's mine say?
• 240[01:11:24] <Mdlpe> nvz: thanks
• 241[01:11:32] <nvz> Mdlpe: erm
• 242[01:11:36] <nvz> Mdlpe: /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0"
• 243[01:11:53] <nvz> forgot the =0 part :P
• 244[01:11:58] <Mdlpe> nvz: ok, thanks
• 245[01:12:15] <duude__> dude, what does mine say?:P
• 246[01:12:36] <duude__> I came here to ask you for an advice
• 247[01:12:41] <letterrip> nvz and output for update-grup in ubuntu replaced-url
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• 250[01:12:53] <duude__> A few months ago I switched from Windows to Ubuntu and so far i'd say I'm pretty comfortable with Debian distros
• 251[01:13:04] <duude__> Now I'm thinking about switching from Ubuntu to something else
• 252[01:13:12] <ZaZaGX> Windows Vista?
• 253[01:13:14] <duude__> Debian was my first choice, but is it neccesairly the best one?
• 254[01:13:19] <lupine> yes
• 255[01:13:20] <duude__> No, Windows 10
• 256[01:13:23] <lupine> debian > *
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• 258[01:13:32] <letterrip> ZaZaGX, yep old laptop...
• 259[01:13:39] <AndroUser> nvz>. I am at root (root@replaced-ip). After entering passwd pdq I receive an error message indicating that pdq does not exist.
• 260[01:13:44] <ZaZaGX> i have never used Windows Vista before
• 261[01:13:51] <duude__> It's similar enough to 8
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• 263[01:14:15] <nvz> AndroUser: did you boot the machine all the way "systemctl default" and drop into tty1 and login as root?
• 264[01:14:18] <duude__> Have you ever used Solaris before? ZazaGx
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• 266[01:14:28] <ZaZaGX> duude__ nope
• 267[01:14:34] <duude__> Me neither
• 268[01:14:43] <ZaZaGX> Just Chrome OS, Ubuntu and Debian
• 269[01:14:55] <duude__> I had some fun in Hercules
• 270[01:15:04] <duude__> It's a mainframe er
• 271[01:15:06] <duude__> "emulator"
• 272[01:15:31] <duude__> Arch, Linux and Windows here
• 273[01:15:39] <duude__> I really didn't like arch for some reason
• 274[01:16:38] <duude__> Has Debian become FSF endorsed?
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• 276[01:16:53] <ZaZaGX> used to be
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• 278[01:17:36] <nvz> duude__: replaced-url
• 279[01:17:37] <ZaZaGX> Debian maintains a repository of nonfree software now
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• 282[01:18:08] <AndroUser> nvz,>. I logged in as root after booting through the recovery option on /etc/sda4, but was not able to change the user password. I get an error message after entering passwd pdq , and that error message indicated pdq does not exist. For that reason I couldn't get to the stage of entering systemctrl default.
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• 285[01:19:02] <nvz> AndroUser: forget all that.. you have huge problems which are totally unclear to anyone here.. and the only way its gonna get more clear is if you get off that phone and on the computer
• 286[01:19:20] <AndroUser> Also noticed at boitup that there is volatile stuff on here so it looks like someone messed with my computer.
• 287[01:19:24] <nvz> AndroUser: if you boot recovery, and are root, then you can type systemctl default you said you'd done this already
• 288[01:19:43] <nvz> AndroUser: it should boot to your graphical login.. from there press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login as root again
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• 293[01:20:31] <AndroUser> I did that, but only after typing passwd and not passed pdq. pdq is the user.
• 294[01:20:32] <nvz> its trivial to add another user and set the password and all that, but your problems with apprently multiple installs, non-stable kernels, and failed upgrades extend far beyond all that
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• 297[01:21:03] <nvz> I need you to provide way more information than you can type into a phone
• 298[01:21:21] <nvz> to do that you need to get the machine booted and logged in as root so we can get it online and on irc
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• 300[01:21:30] <Foxfir3__> is there something like Yay for Debian?
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• 304[01:22:20] <pokota> what's Yay?
• 305[01:22:23] <ZaZaGX> You mean Yum? Not Yay?
• 306[01:22:23] <nvz> Foxfir3__: you need to be more specific..
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• 310[01:23:22] <duude__> nvz, two decades?!
• 311[01:23:25] <Foxfir3__> nvz: used to Yay. wrapper for Pacman. Makes it easy to pick software from community and user repos.
• 312[01:23:36] <pokota> ...wouldn't that just by Synaptic?
• 313[01:23:40] <duude__> You've been supporting Debian for longer than I've been alive!
• 314[01:23:40] <nvz> duude__: was about 2002-2003ish.. so idk.. 17 years or so
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• 316[01:23:53] <nvz> duude__: yeah well I was about your age when I found Debian
• 317[01:23:53] <letterrip> nvz - ah i just browsed the boot folder, and there aren't any kernels etc. in it
• 318[01:24:11] <nvz> letterrip: heh.. yeah I guess I forgot that part too..
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• 320[01:24:23] <ZaZaGX> i didn't know how to get my 56k modem to work back than in linux
• 321[01:24:24] <nvz> letterrip: debootstrap doesn't install kernels, you gotta install one :P
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• 323[01:24:34] <nvz> letterrip: apt install linux-image-amd64
• 324[01:24:46] <ZaZaGX> probably needed to compile by source the driver, but i couldn't go on the internet in the first place
• 325[01:24:52] <duude__> Since you lived through old stuff and now use the new tech, I wanted to ask you about your opinion about EFI, nvz?
• 326[01:25:03] <duude__> I asked on /r/Linux and some people said that it's superior over BIOS
• 327[01:25:11] <AndroUser> nvz>. I am at the tyy1 screen, and have the Debian login prompt.
• 328[01:25:20] <duude__> But that it's better to continue using BIOS as it's err, "safer" for some reason
• 329[01:25:27] <nvz> duude__: not a fan.. sounds like it was a good idea to make something like that, but the implementation fueled by microsoft and intel, was a shitty one
• 330[01:25:28] <duude__> Basically as it's supporting open source stuff
• 331[01:25:33] <ZaZaGX> nvz s too popular on here
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• 333[01:25:45] <duude__> Ah, so you still use BIOS? nvz
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• 335[01:25:55] <nvz> AndroUser: login as root there
• 336[01:26:01] <duude__> Doesn't the 4 partition limit hold you back?
• 337[01:26:07] <duude__> Even though you have extended pratitions
• 338[01:26:10] <duude__> They can sometimes be painful to manage
• 339[01:26:22] <nvz> duude__: well my machine has UEFI but I have it in legacy mode, yes.. and no, there never was a 4 partition limit for one thing
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• 341[01:26:42] <duude__> Ohh, I see
• 342[01:26:50] <duude__> Thank you for the response
• 343[01:26:51] <nvz> duude__: that limit was PHYSICAL partitions, you could just make one of those 4 an extended partition and keep on rolling, not to mention you could make an LVM and then put whatever you want in there
• 344[01:27:17] <ZaZaGX> my machine has LVM enabled
• 345[01:27:34] <duude__> True. One of the benefits of the EFI is the ease of managing partitions though
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• 348[01:27:43] <duude__> I recently encrypted my main partitions with LUKS
• 349[01:27:55] <duude__> It was much easier done on EFI
• 350[01:28:05] <duude__> Encrypting extended partitions is painful
• 351[01:28:10] <duude__> Having to separate stuff
• 352[01:28:38] <nvz> duude__: I have an encrupted lvm on my system
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• 357[01:32:06] <ZaZaGX> me too
• 358[01:32:14] <nvz> AndroUser: after you've logged in as root you need to connect to your internet
• 359[01:32:32] <nvz> AndroUser: nmcli device wifi connect MYAPNAME password MYPASSWORD
• 360[01:32:57] <ZaZaGX> oh sounds easlier
• 361[01:33:00] <ZaZaGX> i used to use ifconfig
• 362[01:33:25] <duude__> Right now I'm deciding between Fedora and Debian
• 363[01:33:29] <duude__> I already ruled out all others distros
• 364[01:33:58] <nvz> ZaZaGX: yes network-manager is really easy to use.. it doesn't even require you to specify the interface name, it will figure it out
• 365[01:34:00] <ZaZaGX> doesn't Fedora freezes up?
• 366[01:34:11] <pokota> you can make anything freeze up with enough effort
• 367[01:34:33] <ZaZaGX> Ubuntu 18.04 and Ubuntu 19.04 freezes up on me
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• 369[01:34:48] <ZaZaGX> Debian hasn't freeze up or crashed on me yet
• 370[01:34:54] <pokota> did you try other desktop environments, or just the default ones?
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• 372[01:35:07] <ZaZaGX> i used used up the 16GB of RAM yet
• 373[01:35:14] <ZaZaGX> the default ones
• 374[01:35:34] <ZaZaGX> well i did try Ubuntu Mate, but it freezes up on me too
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• 376[01:35:47] <ZaZaGX> i haven't used up my 16GB of RAM yet
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• 378[01:36:20] <pokota> I haven't used Fedora yet; my first brush with linux was a knoppix disk back in 2005ish, so I've been a fan of debian and its derivatives the whole time
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• 381[01:38:39] <ZaZaGX> I first used Linux was in year 2001. it was Red Hat Linux 7.1 and Suse linux 7.1. I had to buy the CDs from ebay. But I didn't know how to setup the 56k modem
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• 383[01:38:47] * nvz is losing interest
• 384[01:39:02] <ZaZaGX> so i swithced back to Windows
• 385[01:39:12] <lupine> 2000 for me. I had a nice fun thing because windows broke on usb for me
• 386[01:39:17] <lupine> linux did not
• 387[01:39:23] <pokota> I did have a question coming in here, I just joined in at the wrong time.
• 388[01:39:25] <ZaZaGX> but i used Ubuntu in 2008. which was Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
• 389[01:39:32] <nvz> You should go to #debian-offtopic if you want to just chat.. there are people in here trying to get support
• 390[01:39:45] <nvz> pokota: just ask your question
• 391[01:40:11] <pokota> I use timidity in ALSA server mode, is there something I can set so that that happens in the boot process for all users, or will I need to do that on a per-user basis after login?
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• 393[01:41:33] <ZaZaGX> depends what chat client you using?
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• 397[01:44:32] <ZaZaGX> oh, unless you mean timidity++?
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• 401[01:45:42] <nvz> pokota: perhaps using a systemd user service
• 402[01:45:44] <Foxfir3__> okay. synaptic works. had forgotten about it.
• 403[01:46:53] <pokota> a systemd service would make sense, yeah; do you know off the top of your head which would be the right one or am I doomed to search the web?
• 404[01:47:58] <pokota> ah, hold on, I think I found it. "timidity-daemon"
• 405[01:47:59] <ZaZaGX> MoinMoin?
• 406[01:50:55] <ZaZaGX> !ping
• 407[01:50:55] <dpkg> Yes, zazagx, you are online.
• 408[01:50:55] <toxync12> [toxync@tox] pong! on #debian
• 409[01:51:05] <ZaZaGX> oh okay, it was 3 minutes of slient
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• 415[01:52:57] <nvz> we were going for 5, you messed it up
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• 418[01:55:18] <pokota> yep, there we go. Thanks
• 419[01:55:54] * nvz shrugs..
• 420[01:56:12] <nvz> you're the one who figured it out.. I was suggesting creating a custom user service unit
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• 515[03:54:25] <annadane> is there a way to set keyboard shortcuts in mpv or more specifically is there an existing shortcut for "seek to given time"?
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• 522[03:59:44] <annadane> input.conf, okay
• 523[03:59:47] <annadane> i'll figure this out
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• 539[04:17:01] <Anonymous> !status
• 540[04:17:01] <dpkg> Since Sat Sep 14 11:05:06 2019, there have been 0 modifications, 10 questions, 2 dunnos, 0 morons and 5 commands. I have been awake for 15h 11m 55s this session, and currently reference 40709 factoids. I'm using about 44940 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 10.05/0.58 child 0/0
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• 561[04:39:24] <namll> atm i have my ssh config setup to where you can only connect if you have a key. Is there a way for ssh to know I am on my LAN and to not need a key because its safe, or default to password?
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• 566[04:42:51] <namll> not really debian, specifically, but my local server is debian, I connect with my laptop just fine with debian, but I want to ssh into the server from my windows desktop. but the idea of making a key and sending it over and stuff on windows seems annoying to change the config, add new key, change config back.
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• 581[04:55:24] <themill> namll: sshd_config has a Match expression that can help you there
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• 583[04:59:52] <namll> themill: thankyou, i will look more into that.
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• 592[05:05:01] <Gigglebyte> nvz> Earlier I was talking to you from my Android about a problem booting into Debian from a failed upgrade. I am now on a different laptop that also has problems, and Debian can't find sudo at the command line. I thought I would try to get this laptop fixed, and then attempt to fix the other laptop.
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• 594[05:06:43] <Gigglebyte> I thought Sudo was built into Debian by default?
• 595[05:06:51] <annadane> it is not
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• 597[05:07:13] <Gigglebyte> annadane> How do I add it?
• 598[05:07:18] <annadane> apt install sudo
• 599[05:07:51] <Gigglebyte> annadane> I getan error locked file, permission required.
• 600[05:08:12] <annadane> yeah, so become root via su or su - and then install it
• 601[05:08:24] <annadane> (su - preferred, it's a good habit to get into)
• 602[05:08:33] <Gigglebyte> I did su, and get an error message indicating that sudo has no installation candidate.
• 603[05:08:47] <annadane> then your sources.list is wrong.
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• 607[05:11:24] <Gigglebyte> annadane> Here is my sources.list replaced-url
• 608[05:11:45] <Gigglebyte> I don't see anything wrong with it.
• 609[05:12:05] <annadane> right, we did this before. it needs to be deb replaced-url
• 610[05:12:10] <annadane> !stretch sources.list
• 611[05:12:10] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 612[05:12:30] <annadane> sorry, replaced-url
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• 614[05:13:27] <annadane> again, here's my sources.list. replaced-url
• 615[05:13:50] <annadane> i'm using deb.debian.org because it redirects to the fastest mirror but you don't have to copy that exactly
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• 617[05:15:15] <annadane> and, again, your "non free debian packages" and "free debian packages" do not have to be separate lines. just put main contrib non-free at the end of your lines
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• 622[05:18:59] <Gigglebyte> ok I finally got the upgrade feature to work. Bad line in the etc file.
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• 877[07:45:19] <melpy> were they free and open source
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• 880[07:46:30] <bring> does anybody remember the P5Q-Em ?
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• 886[07:50:43] <ZaZaGX> no
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• 894[07:59:16] <bring> tomuch taco noise in the local em field
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• 896[08:00:49] <swivel> my local em field could definitely use more taco noise right now.
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• 898[08:03:51] <ZaZaGX> is that good>
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• 914[08:24:33] <choice> Whhooopi! "apt install youtube-dl" wants to download 800MB of data ...
• 915[08:25:15] <choice> Isn't that a bit much?
• 916[08:26:25] <somiaj> it reccomends ffmpeg, mpv, so that could account for that.
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• 920[08:27:59] <choice> Aha! So I should try "apt --no-install-recommends install youtube-dl"?
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• 924[08:28:58] <annadane> choice, not that this answers your question but i highly don't recommend installing youtube-dl from apt
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• 926[08:29:21] <annadane> that's one package you want up to date frequently and debian stable doesn't provide that
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• 928[08:29:33] <choice> annadane: I might try that if the one from the repos does not work.
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• 930[08:32:05] <somiaj> choice: youtube-dl does use ffmpeg and mpv for some of its capabilities, so you will loose some functionality
• 931[08:32:11] <somiaj> if you don't use that functionality, it won't e any loss
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• 933[08:35:29] <choice> The one from the repos seems to work.
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• 937[08:36:27] <annadane> for now
• 938[08:36:43] <annadane> in a perfect world youtube-dl would always work but websites change their APIs
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• 943[08:39:54] <annadane> i use python3-venv for it and have a cron job update it weekly
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• 953[08:52:36] <gmturner> Ugh. either it fails and you see a broken initramfs, or it succeeds and you don't see squat until after pivot_root. So how the heck can you ever know what a CORRECT initramfs looks like? It's heisen-bugged by design. Also, I want to strangle busybox and dispose of its lifeless remains in a dumpster-fire... possible from within busybox?
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• 957[08:54:37] <drone01> Hello
• 958[08:54:48] <Mdlpe> hi, when you had an hdd and want to be mounted as logged, it is UUID of the hdd or the partition ?
• 959[08:54:59] <Mdlpe> in fstab
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• 971[09:03:55] <somiaj> Mdlpe: the partition
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• 975[09:04:56] <Mdlpe> somiaj: thanks
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• 985[09:10:57] <gmturner> I suppose if I extract the files from a live iso, delete the big quashfs file, and then re-xorriso everything else according to the recipe provided by the original, I might get an emergency rescue bb prompt from a valid initramfs
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• 990[09:11:25] <gmturner> seems like a lot of work but I'm pretty stumped at this point
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• 1012[09:24:11] <hdei28> Bonjour à tous, j'ai un soucis avec ma debian, je souhaiterais avoir de l'aide car la je sèche. Voici la problèmatique, j'ai mon pc portable principal sous debian avec disque dur crypter (sda5_crypt), avant j'avais mon papier avec le mot de pass pas de soucis pdt des mois et le papier était en sale état j'en ai refait un ou j'ai recopié le
• 1013[09:24:11] <hdei28> mot de pass, et la je sais pas si j'ai fait une erreur en recopiant ça marche plus. Que faire? J'ai beaucoup de donnée perso et boulot, il faut que je trouve une solution absolument. Merci d'avance.
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• 1015[09:26:15] <krakovitcho> C'est fooutu hdei28
• 1016[09:26:19] <at0m> hdei28: the whole point of disk encryption is that you cannot access the contents without the password. if you have noted something resembling the password, maybe try some obvious variations.
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• 1018[09:26:42] <hdei28> yes at0m
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• 1022[09:27:00] <at0m> hdei28: also, check if your keyboard locale is what you think it is
• 1023[09:27:00] <hdei28> i have noted something resembling
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• 1026[09:27:18] <hdei28> déja testé at0m
• 1027[09:27:29] <hdei28> pas un problème de clavier
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• 1029[09:28:10] <hdei28> i have root password and user password
• 1030[09:28:10] <at0m> only way then is to keep trying passwords that are similar, to uncover the typo/misread on your cheat sheet
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• 1032[09:28:24] <hdei28> but sda5_crypt password don't work
• 1033[09:29:14] <hdei28> what is it typo/misread
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• 1036[09:29:32] <hdei28> i have try similar password
• 1037[09:29:32] <at0m> error of typing or reading
• 1038[09:29:36] <at0m> yup
• 1039[09:29:39] <hdei28> ok
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• 1041[09:30:10] <hdei28> what is the solution? brute force? or other solution
• 1042[09:30:36] <hdei28> i want to have user data
• 1043[09:30:43] <at0m> hdei28: there's no way to "crack" the encryption within our lifetime, at best there are tools that can help you brute force using variations on the password
• 1044[09:30:48] <hdei28> and i have user password and root password
• 1045[09:30:58] <hdei28> it's crypted user folder?
• 1046[09:31:09] <at0m> *on what you think is the password
• 1047[09:31:23] <at0m> that's the whole point of encryption, right. no password, no access
• 1048[09:31:35] <hdei28> ok
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• 1051[09:31:52] <hdei28> you know a good brute force?
• 1052[09:32:44] <hdei28> where it possible to write a password and just variation
• 1053[09:33:30] <hdei28> exemple: password passowrd pasSword pasSwor1d
• 1054[09:33:33] <hdei28> etc...
• 1055[09:33:34] <at0m> right
• 1056[09:33:44] <at0m> i don't know. but that's something you can research now
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• 1059[09:34:55] <hdei28> Il doit bien y avoir une solution pour contourner le cryptage sans passer par le brute force non?
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• 1065[09:36:16] <at0m> hdei28: only if the encryption you used is broken. but bad news, encryption works.
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• 1067[09:36:32] <at0m> hdei28: maybe ask in ##security
• 1068[09:36:49] <hdei28> ok thank you at0m
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• 1070[09:37:14] <at0m> look for tools that allow you to give what you think is the password, and that can try variations
• 1071[09:37:23] <at0m> that's probably your best bet
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• 1079[09:41:15] <hdei28> Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services in #security
• 1080[09:41:36] <hdei28> Je ne comprend pas comment on fait pourtant j'ai regarder la faq
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• 1083[09:41:57] <at0m> hdei28: it's ##security. to register on freenode, /msg nickserv help register
• 1084[09:42:08] <hdei28> thks
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• 1088[09:44:19] <hdei28> nothing when i write "/msg nickserv help register"
• 1089[09:44:32] <hdei28> it's complicate
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• 1093[09:45:42] <at0m> hdei28: replaced-url
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• 1096[09:46:17] <hdei28> yes i see
• 1097[09:46:30] <at0m> hdei28: also, look in other windows or tabs in your irc client for the reply of nickserv
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• 1099[09:46:51] <hdei28> I have try: /msg NickServ REGISTER password youremail@example.com
• 1100[09:46:57] <hdei28> don't work
• 1101[09:46:58] <hdei28> fuck
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• 1126[10:04:02] <Mdlpe> hello, for some command like blkid, do not work in root. I need to log :$su -
• 1127[10:04:07] <Mdlpe> I don't understand
• 1128[10:04:19] <Mdlpe> Debian 10 buster
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• 1132[10:09:43] <pragomer> hi. I need help using an encrypted luks container-file. I use debian10 with kde and created the file on the terminal (luks etc..) I CAN mount the file.img from dolphin, but it stays read-only. Any idea why read-only? the mountpoint /media/myuser/volumename is owned by me
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• 1171[10:50:49] <McErroneous> some people that are still using debian squeeze , online ? how do i get multi monitor with a Nvidia NVS 440 going ?
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• 1185[11:03:50] <at0m> Mdlpe: after "su -" you are root. can you explain your problem a little better?
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• 1187[11:05:12] <at0m> McErroneous: i found arandr, a graphical frontend for xrandr, quite convenient for the desktops that don't offer such options in their settings. kde for example has it in settings, my *box here does not
• 1188[11:05:23] <at0m> ,i arandr
• 1189[11:05:26] <judd> Package arandr (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: Simple visual front end for XRandR. Version: 0.1.9-2; Size: 62.1k; Installed: 320k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1190[11:06:03] <annadane> which box? :D
• 1191[11:06:22] <at0m> openbox/fluxbox/blackbox
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• 1193[11:07:04] <at0m> ok haven't tried on openbox. anyways, they're pretty lightweight and don't offer configuration options for such out of the box
• 1194[11:07:36] <unimatrix> I have a weird issue , i installed a vm on a centos machine , the bridge seems setup properly and i added the static ip to the thingy but i still cant access it remotely
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• 1196[11:07:55] <unimatrix> can ssh localy perfectly
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• 1198[11:08:45] <unimatrix> the vm is debian flavour , the host machine is centos 7
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• 1201[11:09:46] <at0m> unimatrix: if local ssh works ok, just not remote, then probably centos has to be configured to either bridge interfaces or to forward the port
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• 1204[11:10:24] <at0m> or ssh $centos -e ssh $vm
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• 1207[11:10:34] <unimatrix> may i pm ?
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• 1209[11:10:51] <Ast001> I have big problem with my Debian and gpg. I encrypt file with gpg -c --cipher AES256 file and it encrypts, but when I want to decrypt it with gpg file it does not prompt for password!! It just decrypt it and I think anyone can decrypt my secret file. That never happen in the past. What can it be ?
• 1210[11:10:54] <at0m> err ssh $centos ssh $vm
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• 1212[11:11:36] <Ast001> I got some waring saying "gpg: WARNING: no command supplied. Trying to guess what you mean ..." on decryption
• 1213[11:11:45] <unimatrix> i see br0 & virbr0
• 1214[11:11:49] <unimatrix> as bridges
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• 1216[11:12:57] <Mdlpe> at0m: but $su = root with restricted access ans $su - = full root ?
• 1217[11:13:24] <at0m> Mdlpe: yup
• 1218[11:13:40] <at0m> Mdlpe: since buster, it's "su -" not just su
• 1219[11:13:50] <at0m> !su
• 1220[11:13:50] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access.
• 1221[11:13:55] <at0m> meh
• 1222[11:13:56] <Mdlpe> at0m: strange... ok, i need to remember that.
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• 1224[11:14:00] <Ast001> gpg version gpg (GnuPG) 2.1.18. Is gpg tool broken ?
• 1225[11:14:01] <annadane> i'll edit that
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• 1228[11:14:07] <at0m> thanks annadane
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• 1231[11:14:44] <swivel> 'su -' is short for 'su --login'
• 1232[11:14:52] <velix> Goodbye! apt purge linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64
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• 1234[11:15:33] <phiwer> I'm trying to build mac80211_hwsim using module assistant. I want to reubild the kernel with a patch I have. But the kernel module isn't listed when using module assistant. In fact, there are very few modules listed when using module assistant. Does anyone have any idea as to why?
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• 1236[11:15:53] <Mdlpe> swivel: this particular to Debian buster, no ?
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• 1238[11:16:22] <swivel> Mdlpe: no, su has been that way for as long as I've been using linux (since the 90s)
• 1239[11:16:51] <swivel> if you omit the '-' su just switches users but doesn't try recreating the login environment of that user
• 1240[11:16:59] <at0m> swivel: debian used to go differently about su. since buster, it's behaving like the other linux's
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• 1242[11:17:18] <at0m> Mdlpe: try echo $PATh after you 'su', for example
• 1243[11:17:24] <at0m> usually doesn't have /sbin
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• 1246[11:18:24] <swivel> at0m: I don't know what you're talking about WRT buster-specific su-isms, but 'su -' being short for 'su --login' is nothing new.
• 1247[11:18:26] <Mdlpe> at0m: right. but if "su" only, the prompt in the shell is root...
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• 1251[11:19:08] <at0m> Mdlpe: now "echo $PATH" there and you'll notice it took the environment from user, not root
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• 1253[11:19:44] <at0m> swivel: what is new, is that plain su doesnt work like it used to on previous debian releases
• 1254[11:20:07] <at0m> and yes, su - has always worked as you describe
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• 1256[11:20:24] <at0m> but plain su doesn't, not anymore. since buster.
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• 1258[11:20:46] <swivel> so what did plain su do before buster?
• 1259[11:20:49] <Mdlpe> at0m: another thing to remember
• 1260[11:20:49] <at0m> i'm sure the release notes will have something on that
• 1261[11:21:02] <swivel> I use su regularly on old debian boxes and haven't noticed anything unique about it
• 1262[11:21:18] <swivel> other than debian not using the wheel group for gating access to su, which annoys me.
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• 1267[11:23:35] <humpled> replaced-url
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• 1269[11:24:22] <annadane> missing an .org, thar.
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• 1273[11:25:28] <humpled> oops :þ
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• 1276[11:27:16] <swivel> humpled: danke
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• 1279[11:28:09] <Ast001> it looks it just changed behavior on stupid way that users need now to write --no-use-agent during encryption.
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• 1281[11:29:32] <at0m> and they left..
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• 1283[11:30:10] <at0m> already thought that their pass/key might be cached, hence skipping the need to enter pass to decrypt
• 1284[11:30:27] <annadane> thankfully freenode, unlike OFTC, has memoserv
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• 1286[11:30:56] <at0m> seems they found their answer already =)
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• 1290[11:31:42] <annadane> i'm annoyed with my hardware if even xfce doesn't start instantly
• 1291[11:31:52] <annadane> need a new computer at some stage
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• 1294[11:32:09] <annadane> eh, it's still okay i suppose
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• 1298[11:33:33] <at0m> apart from some rpi's, i havent bought new machine for probably 8 years
• 1299[11:34:00] <at0m> worked ok then, still does =)
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• 1301[11:34:32] <at0m> ok, moved to all SSD on system partitions
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• 1304[11:35:43] <annadane> yeah i'm on a lowly HDD
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• 1306[11:35:56] <annadane> i've also abused my system a fair bit, so...
• 1307[11:36:05] <at0m> there's your answer to speeding up loading times a lot
• 1308[11:38:17] <annadane> you need to what, trim weekly or something?
• 1309[11:38:47] <at0m> that's what i do, indeed
• 1310[11:39:14] <at0m> weekly cronjob with a fstrim -av 2>&1
• 1311[11:39:42] <at0m> /sbin/fstrim even
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• 1314[11:40:54] <annadane> what is 2>&1 again?
• 1315[11:41:01] <annadane> stdout?
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• 1317[11:41:53] <at0m> yea
• 1318[11:43:21] <annadane> how does that work in the context of cron? i assume you don't sit there and watch it happen
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• 1321[11:46:00] <at0m> idk. figured it out when i got my first SSD, and been adding the cronjob to the other machines as i installed SSD in them ;p
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• 1324[11:46:33] <annadane> i mean my cron output stuff just gets sent to /var/mail
• 1325[11:47:01] <annadane> and i never ever read it but anyway
• 1326[11:47:08] <at0m> i think here it skips that part, cos ^ indeed
• 1327[11:47:23] <annadane> okay, good to know i'm not a *complete* idiot
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• 1329[11:47:29] <Rue> discord is still not available for Buster stable right?
• 1330[11:47:40] <at0m> annadane: or at least you're not the only one
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• 1332[11:48:23] <at0m> ,v discord
• 1333[11:48:24] <judd> No package named 'discord' was found in amd64.
• 1334[11:48:25] <BCMM> Rue: available from Debian repos, or available at all?
• 1335[11:48:51] <BCMM> discord is proprietary software. i don't know if the developers would even permit debian to distribute it in non-free
• 1336[11:49:39] <BCMM> they expect you to install it from their website. at least they have .debs as well as tarballs.
• 1337[11:49:39] <annadane> i think there's a repository for it from discord itself but like, you can always just go there in your browser or download their program as a .tar
• 1338[11:49:49] <annadane> and yeah i avoid .deb, i prefer .tar
• 1339[11:50:09] <BCMM> hmm, why's that? i'd usually prefer deb for the easy of uninstall and all that
• 1340[11:50:13] <at0m> annadane: how's that? statically linked over depends?
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• 1342[11:50:31] <annadane> just a generic trust paranoia issue
• 1343[11:50:50] <at0m> annadane: ah, and install in ~/ ?
• 1344[11:50:51] <BCMM> also discord is overcomplicated, probably badly-written, and network-facing. you should strive to always keep it updated!
• 1345[11:51:10] <at0m> i avoid it altogether tbh
• 1346[11:51:17] <annadane> at0m, yes, which i suppose makes me no better than anyone else
• 1347[11:51:20] <at0m> cos those reasons, BCMM
• 1348[11:51:47] <BCMM> at0m: that's always been my solution to Discord, but as with any fad messaging platform, network effects happen...
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• 1350[11:52:06] <at0m> annadane: at least statically linked indeed avoids depends hell and frankendebian
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• 1352[11:52:36] <annadane> i'm sure there are 9 kajillion keyloggers installed in my system by now but oh well
• 1353[11:52:37] <BCMM> i.e. it's not always possible to convince everybody you want to talk to that the world doesn't need another proprietary communication platform
• 1354[11:53:07] <annadane> i actually like Discord but yeah, open standards are good
• 1355[11:53:52] <at0m> BCMM: probably why we're still here on irc. got good hopes for matrix, but that needs maturing IMO.
• 1356[11:54:27] <at0m> least its API's have all been frozen, or at least will provide backwards compatibility
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• 1358[11:55:05] <at0m> now audits, and optimisations.. servers take lots and lots or resources
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• 1360[11:55:13] <at0m> s/or/of
• 1361[11:55:31] <Rue> BCMM: oh i see. i'm new to debian. still using another distro at the moment.
• 1362[11:55:39] <annadane> if i ever become a matrixhead i'm not using riot.im, it's too flashy
• 1363[11:56:14] <at0m> annadane: riot.im is different things all in one. confuze.jpg
• 1364[11:56:38] <at0m> mobile client, browser addon, desktop client, idk
• 1365[11:56:39] <annadane> well, uses the protocol
• 1366[11:56:41] <Rue> i know there's a lot of integration and bridges for things like riot, but they're still not the same as using native clients right?
• 1367[11:56:52] <annadane> i mainly meant the desktop client but fair enough
• 1368[11:56:55] <at0m> Rue: or irssi and bridges ;p
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• 1370[11:57:23] <at0m> Rue: i don't want to run 50 apps for just in case someone wants to talk to me
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• 1373[11:58:24] <annadane> to be fair i also haven't used riot.im in many months, maybe it improved since
• 1374[11:59:30] <Unit193> (No)
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• 1377[12:02:44] <BCMM> at0m: rambox helps a bit with the 50 different platforms thing
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• 1380[12:03:37] <BCMM> it lets you run just one unnecessary browser engine instance, instead of one per platform
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• 1393[12:11:39] <Rue> what's the general consensus to installing .dev not in the official repo? i come from arch so i'm not quite familiar with the debian system :(
• 1394[12:11:50] <Rue> .deb
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• 1402[12:12:58] <at0m> Rue: you mean providing the .deb from the repo.. the .deb can then be installed on debian installations.
• 1403[12:13:48] <Rue> like for example the .deb from discord's website while discord isn't actually in the official repo
• 1404[12:13:55] <at0m> Rue: anything FLOSS can go in the main repo. contrib and non-free are there in case the packages are, well, not free
• 1405[12:14:11] <at0m> could be open source, doesn't mean it's free
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• 1409[12:15:02] <at0m> discord is all closed and proprietary. if they don't want it in debian repo's, or nobody wants to sign off on it, it won't be in non-free either
• 1410[12:15:02] <jadax> I don't follow the convention of packages.debian.org ; do you know if I can install this package on debian 10, replaced-url
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• 1413[12:15:51] <at0m> ,v google-android-ndk-installer
• 1414[12:15:52] <judd> Package: google-android-ndk-installer on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 12.b+1; bullseye/contrib: 13b; sid/contrib: 13b
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• 1416[12:16:20] <at0m> jadax: not in buster for some reason, indeed.
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• 1418[12:17:06] <jadax> man, buster is my curse
• 1419[12:17:16] <jadax> I still haven't figured out how to put vbox on buster
• 1420[12:17:20] <jadax> now NDK is not available
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• 1423[12:17:52] <jadax> I think of ubuntu in these moments
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• 1428[12:19:20] <annadane> blame oracle for virtualbox
• 1429[12:19:52] <jadax> I understand the reason but most of the distros still support vbox
• 1430[12:20:29] <jadax> the chances of anything bad happening to me (because of security flaw in vbox) is very very small
• 1431[12:20:40] <jadax> at the same time my productivity is drasticially decreased
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• 1435[12:21:28] <Rue> anyone used to use arch in the past? i'm trying to decide if i should ditch it for debian :D though it was kind of nice to be able to run pretty much everything on arch
• 1436[12:21:50] <annadane> very different philosophies, don't expect as many updates running debian
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• 1439[12:26:32] <Unit193> jadax: While I'm sure not really recommended, VirtualBox has a repo for buster.
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• 1441[12:26:56] <jadax> yeah, it's not as easy as downloading codes
• 1442[12:27:05] <jadax> I have vbox *installed*
• 1443[12:27:10] <jadax> but it needs kernel drivers to operate
• 1444[12:27:13] <jadax> I built them
• 1445[12:27:19] <jadax> but they are not signed (EFI system)
• 1446[12:27:25] <jadax> and I haven't figured out how to sign them yet
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• 1448[12:27:47] <jadax> apparently it requires system reboot and somewhere in grub some tool should kick-in with a pop-up and allow me to sign
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• 1450[12:28:30] <jadax> I have one android emulator that requires vbox to operate
• 1451[12:28:37] <jadax> so without vbox I cannot use the emulator at all
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• 1458[12:33:58] <annadane> good factoids for completely transferring a debian install from one drive to another? !what to backup, !aptitude clone, any others?
• 1459[12:34:19] <annadane> i guess "edit fstab"?
• 1460[12:34:49] <annadane> well no that would be if you took that drive and physically put it into another box as opposed to transfer from one drive to another
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• 1467[12:39:42] <annadane> oh dpkg apparently has multiple "clone" factoids
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• 1474[12:43:31] <debroba92> hey all
• 1475[12:44:38] <debroba92> is it okay to use a NAS shared folder as your home drive?
• 1476[12:44:55] <debroba92> and it is possible...
• 1477[12:45:41] <debroba92> *and is it possible?
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• 1483[12:48:00] <at0m> debroba92: that's possible, and easiest is if the NAS supports NFS
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• 1485[12:48:37] <at0m> replaced-url
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• 1487[12:48:56] <jadax> NFS is also fast
• 1488[12:49:05] <jadax> especially compared to SAMBA/CIFS
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• 1490[12:49:34] <at0m> jadax: indeed. plus, exact same file permissions over nfs as locally on linux
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• 1497[12:51:15] <at0m> here, i've opted to have only the larger parts on nfs, like media and some other docs. cos if /home/$user isn't available, there's no way to log in, for example
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• 1500[12:51:41] <at0m> i then symlinked those parts back to my clients homes
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• 1506[12:52:48] <debroba92> NFS is active now... well in my case the NAS is self made with openmediavault so the Nas runs on my desk...
• 1507[12:52:50] <at0m> also, it can become problematic when mounted multiple times, say browser profiles and X auth files
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• 1509[12:53:12] <debroba92> okay
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• 1512[12:53:50] <at0m> that's why i outsourced the media directories, since there's no problem on double access on those
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• 1515[12:54:09] <debroba92> since I'm not very familiar with automated backup and stuff, could I benefit on making a backup at shutdown, so I can always have the same files as I have on my desktop pc?
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• 1520[12:54:36] <at0m> debroba92: rsync probably
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• 1522[12:55:39] <debroba92> alright thx so far, I will dig into rsync
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• 1525[12:57:05] <at0m> debroba92: when all of ~ is synchronized, mind different font sizes, default folders etc, cos not all might be suited or available exactly the same on both machines
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• 1528[12:57:52] <at0m> so might make sense to pick which files/directories are, and which are not, synchronized
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• 1555[13:16:19] <dindinx> hi, I've been subscribed to the debian-devel-changes mailing list for years in order to keep in touch with package update and nw package
• 1556[13:16:28] <ZaZaGX> ok
• 1557[13:16:59] <dindinx> but since several month, the Description: tag of many packages has vanished
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• 1559[13:18:07] <dindinx> I guess, this is becasue the Description: tag is now often replaced by an i18n on such as Description-en: or Description-fr: and so on.
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• 1563[13:19:54] <dindinx> I really think a description tag is important in these mails, and it might probably be fixed within the scripts that generates the mail in this mailing-list. How to report that?
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• 1620[14:02:18] <mcon> Is there any way to implement an USB gadget (I need to simulate an USB-pen-drive) in Debian Sid? AFAIK g_mass_storage is unavailable. Is there a workaround?
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• 1635[14:21:08] <BCMM> mcon: what hardware are you using?
• 1636[14:21:34] <BCMM> i reckon a lot of (but not all) users with gadget hardware are using custom kernels anyway
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• 1656[14:34:47] <emilengler> How 'unoffical' are the unoffical images really?
• 1657[14:35:09] <emilengler> They come directly from the project except that some parts are closed source right?
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• 1660[14:37:21] <annadane> if you install using an unofficial image, a leopard mauls you
• 1661[14:37:53] <annadane> more seriously, there's really two types of unofficial images, ones with non free firmware and ones having architectures debian doesn't officially support
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• 1668[14:46:39] <mcon> BCMM: Sorry for the delay (lunch). I need to implement the gadget on a desktop (amd64) and use it on a mips (mt7628) target.
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• 1670[14:47:11] <BCMM> mcon: does your desktop actually have a usb port that can be a gadget?
• 1671[14:47:57] <mcon> BCMM: It seems to have an OTG port, if that's what You mean.
• 1672[14:48:21] <earend1> would i need to install/configure soundcard in order to be able to use it in a guest-machine (qemu)?
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• 1676[14:49:45] <BCMM> earend1: what do you mean by that? are you trying to use a soundcard that's not supported by Linux in a Windows VM, for example?
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• 1678[14:49:52] <BCMM> you could do that with pci or usb passthrough
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• 1683[14:50:50] <deadmarshal> hi. I have a headset with mic, I input the mic wire in the pink socket and the headphone wire in green socket. I have pulse audio but I don't know how to configure it.
• 1684[14:50:55] <deadmarshal> I can't hear anything
• 1685[14:50:57] <mcon> BCMM: Do You care to elaborate? I'm not sure I follow You.
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• 1687[14:51:00] <BCMM> earend1: are you talking about using a real, physical sound device with the vm, or about having an emulated sound card in the vm so you can just play sound from software in the vm?
• 1688[14:51:10] <BCMM> mcon: which bit?
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• 1690[14:52:06] <earend1> BCMM: i just want to have sound in the vm. in any way. i installed alsa-tools (in the vm) but it seems not to work
• 1691[14:52:23] <mcon> BCMM: How would passthrough help me ?
• 1692[14:52:33] <BCMM> mcon: i was talking to earend1
• 1693[14:52:53] <BCMM> earend1: ah, right. what options are you starting qemu with?
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• 1698[14:54:02] <dvs> !pulseaudio timidity
• 1699[14:54:09] <BCMM> earend1: if i recall correctly, there's no virtual sound device by default in qemu. but you can enable it with the -soundhw option
• 1700[14:54:35] <dvs> !timidity pulseaudio
• 1701[14:54:35] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
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• 1703[14:54:52] <earend1> BCMM: -soundhw ac97
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• 1705[14:55:18] <BCMM> earend1: hmm, that should work with a linux guest
• 1706[14:55:36] <BCMM> earend1: are you running debian on both the guest and the host?
• 1707[14:55:47] <earend1> BCMM: and it would even though the host has not installed any sound drivers?
• 1708[14:55:57] <earend1> would work*
• 1709[14:55:59] <BCMM> earend1: oh, the host has no sound?
• 1710[14:56:07] <BCMM> no, that won't work, not like that
• 1711[14:56:07] <earend1> yes.
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• 1713[14:56:37] <earend1> ok. whats the best way to install generic sound. what packages to install
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• 1716[14:57:44] <BCMM> earend1: with -sndhw ac97 you're creating an emulated sound card for the vm. qemu receives sound for the guest OS, and plays it on the host using ALSA or Pulse
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• 1718[14:57:57] <McErroneous> someone still using debian squeeze ? how do i get multi monitor with a Nvidia NVS 440 going ?
• 1719[14:58:35] <BCMM> earend1: you need to have working sound on the host to use that. if, for whatever reason, you don't want to get sound working on the host system, you could pass the sound device through to the VM instead of using an emulated sound device
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• 1721[14:59:28] <BCMM> earend1: can you tell me more about the host machine? usually sound would sort of just work out of the box on debian
• 1722[14:59:41] <earend1> BCMM: ok. whats the base alsa package?
• 1723[14:59:43] <BCMM> earend1: i don't really know what you mean by "generic sound"
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• 1725[15:00:10] <earend1> it it alsa-utils?
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• 1727[15:00:27] <BCMM> earend1: you're trying to make sound actually come out of a real sound device so you can hear it with your ears, right? not some sort of virtual device for making recordings?
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• 1730[15:02:05] <earend1> thanks so far. i will try to configure it on the host, and see if it works.
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• 1750[15:20:37] <earend1> BCMM: excellent. works now. alsactl init on host did the magic. didnt even had to restart. very nice. thanks!
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• 1752[15:22:48] <earend1> maybe one more question, while in context. what graphic option would you set for best performance of gpu with 3dacceleration?
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• 1771[15:36:24] <McErroneous> what are the differences of "nvidia's" vdpau vs. glx drivers , in short ?
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• 1824[16:12:57] <rrttyy> Hi, I think my monitor is too bright. I have already set the contrast and brightness to zero and am using sct. Is there room for further improvement?
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• 1826[16:13:38] <rrttyy> I'm using stable + xfce. I noticed that when hibernating my PC, the screen dims as if there is a black screen in front of it.
• 1827[16:13:43] <rrttyy> What is that called?
• 1828[16:13:47] <rrttyy> Is there a way to emulate it?
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• 1852[16:23:58] <n_1-c_k> rrttyy, maybe you have a file /sys/class/backlight/*/brightness you can write to. My laptop has, no idea if applicable to a desktop.
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• 1857[16:26:55] <rrttyy> I have an empty backlight folder.
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• 1869[16:28:53] <rrttyy> Okay, this works! replaced-url
• 1870[16:28:58] <rrttyy> xrandr for the win!
• 1871[16:29:05] <rrttyy> Thanks for the help n_1-c_k
• 1872[16:29:55] <n_1-c_k> rrttyy, not sure I gave any but righto!
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• 1909[16:57:08] <letterrip> hi how do I test my xorg.conf? the directions given when generated (X -config /root/xorg.conf.new ) doesn't seem to work properly
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• 1915[17:00:34] <nkuttler> letterrip: doesn't work?
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• 1918[17:01:47] <letterrip> nkuttler no - even with no changes I don't seem to have it started properly
• 1919[17:02:08] <letterrip> though I'm not 100% sure what i should be seeing
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• 1921[17:02:27] <letterrip> (I get black screen)
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• 1924[17:02:59] <wondiws> how can I have grub rescan my hdd for bootable partitions?
• 1925[17:03:17] <wondiws> update-grub2 doesn't find my DOS partition
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• 1929[17:04:42] <hk239> hi, is there a tool for debian which would allow transfering files between an android smartphone and PC?
• 1930[17:05:05] <letterrip> hk239 like adb?
• 1931[17:05:21] <hk239> I've never used any such software ebfore
• 1932[17:05:29] <letterrip> part of standard android developer tools
• 1933[17:05:37] <ayekat> hk239: what kind of files? just media (photos, videos, ...) or more low-level/system stuff?
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• 1935[17:05:49] <hk239> media
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• 1938[17:06:07] <letterrip> hk239 for media no extra tools need
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• 1940[17:06:07] <hk239> just media that is :o
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• 1942[17:06:21] <letterrip> just mount it like a disk
• 1943[17:06:27] <hk239> doesn't seem to work
• 1944[17:06:29] <ayekat> usually you can communicate with phones via MTP - there's plenty of tools out there that "mount" the phone's directory structure, so you can browse through it normally
• 1945[17:06:35] <hk239> but googling now I think I need to install MTP related stuff?
• 1946[17:06:47] <ayekat> personally I like jmtpfs, but there's probably others, too
• 1947[17:07:06] <letterrip> hk239 usually comes with distro
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• 1949[17:07:21] <hk239> I'm using debian buster currently
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• 1951[17:07:36] <hk239> it was upgraded from the earlier one, jessie I think? Maybe :D
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• 1954[17:08:09] <ayekat> at least jmtpfs appears to be in the buster repos: replaced-url
• 1955[17:08:18] <hk239> okay thanks I'll try to install that
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• 1958[17:08:43] <ayekat> otherwise I'd look at replaced-url
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• 1965[17:10:00] <hk239> hm okay it seems to be mounted but I can't do anything probably need some sort of authorization?
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• 1967[17:10:27] <ayekat> hk239: where and how did you mount it? what's the output of `findmnt`? and what do you mean with "I can't do anything"?
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• 1972[17:12:47] <hk239> there's a bunch of stuff on findmnt
• 1973[17:12:59] <hk239> when connecting the phone there appears a device named 'CDROM' on devices list
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• 1975[17:13:20] <hk239> opening it seems to contain some stuff, setup.exe, simpchinese.ini /driver folder
• 1976[17:13:24] <hk239> but that's just about it
• 1977[17:13:43] <ayekat> doesn't sound like the content of a phone, but who knows...
• 1978[17:13:47] <ayekat> hk239: where and how did you mount it?
• 1979[17:13:55] <hk239> using an USB datacable
• 1980[17:14:03] <ayekat> hk239: yeah, but what command did you run?
• 1981[17:14:14] <hk239> none, I just connected the cable and the thing appeared
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• 1983[17:14:25] <hk239> after installing that jmtpfs package
• 1984[17:14:28] <wondiws> how can I have grub rescan my hdd for bootable partitions?
• 1985[17:14:30] <ayekat> ... alright, that doesn't quite sound like the behaviour of jmtpfs to me
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• 1987[17:14:48] <ayekat> unless the debian package ships additional stuff
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• 1989[17:15:09] <hk239> I've never tried connecting the phone and the computer before so I don't know wwhat's normal :D
• 1990[17:15:43] <ayekat> hk239: so you've never actually connected the phone to your machine before installing jmtpfs?
• 1991[17:15:58] <ayekat> there's probably another component on your system that already handles it, as letterrip said
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• 1993[17:16:25] <ayekat> (assuming you're using a desktop environment like GNOME or KDE, it might already come with tools preinstalled)
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• 1995[17:16:32] <hk239> maybe but I tried before installing and there was some sort of an error
• 1996[17:16:38] <hk239> after installing that package, the error went away
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• 1998[17:16:43] <hk239> but can't say this result makes a lot of sense either
• 1999[17:16:44] <letterrip> ayekat just checked my fresh install and it doesn't automount mtp
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• 2002[17:17:42] <ayekat> hk239: maybe there's a component on your system that tries to automatically mount things, and it didn't find any backend (like e.g. jmtpfs) before that would handle MTP
• 2003[17:17:52] <hk239> maybe
• 2004[17:18:10] <hk239> I've not personally installed, wittingly anyway, anything that would handle phone related stuff.
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• 2006[17:18:20] <letterrip> although i installed via an atypical method
• 2007[17:18:22] <hk239> I had the older version of debian, 9.0, and then did distro upgarde to buster
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• 2010[17:18:34] <hk239> I do have discord though but I don't think that comes with such packages?
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• 2012[17:18:47] <ayekat> anyway, I'd probably unmount and see what happens if you use jmtpfs manually
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• 2015[17:19:10] <hk239> okay
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• 2017[17:21:29] <hk239> meh... would probably be easier to install some message client that allows sending files
• 2018[17:21:34] <hk239> any suggestions ?: D
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• 2026[17:28:11] <Okee> Any thoughts on why I am not showing up as a sudoer user? I am logged in as pdq, but linux says I am not in the sudoers file when I type in a sudoer password.
• 2027[17:28:39] <hk239> Okay I couldn't figure out how to make it work, and besides I should get a client for wireless transfer of files for the phone anyway.. Earlier I used discord for sending links, but I think I should get something that allows sending files, any suggestions what kind of software would be available for that purpose?
• 2028[17:28:46] <addviking> wondiws, the boot partitions you want found must be mounted (manually or w/ Nautilus), then update-grub should find them. You can also run os-prober to see if it is finding what you think it should.
• 2029[17:29:18] <ayekat> Okee: what's the output of `id`?
• 2030[17:29:19] <mackerel449> Okee: did you add 'pdq' to sudoers recently?
• 2031[17:30:04] <Okee> ayekat>output is pdq not in sudoers file after entering password
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• 2033[17:30:32] <ayekat> Okee: that doesn't look like the output of the `id` command to me
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• 2036[17:30:52] <Okee> mackere1449> No, pdq has been in there awhile, but only as of yesterday have I been using system.
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• 2038[17:31:32] <ayekat> Okee: if you've added an entry for the pdq user specifically in sudoers, what does that entry look like?
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• 2042[17:32:28] <Okee> ayekat> Here is the output replaced-url
• 2043[17:32:38] <ayekat> ...
• 2044[17:33:44] * ayekat is on the edge of doing this "ignoring the other" thing both ways
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• 2048[17:34:48] <ayekat> Okee: again: what is the output of the `id` command, and if you have added an entry for the pdq user to sudoers, what does that entry look like?
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• 2057[17:38:16] <Okee> ayekat> Not sure what you mean by output of the ID command.
• 2058[17:38:36] <ayekat> Okee: open a shell, type id, and then hit the Enter key
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• 2061[17:41:05] <Okee> ayekat> replaced-url
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• 2064[17:41:41] <ayekat> Okee: ok, and now the second part: what entry have you made in the sudoers file?
• 2065[17:42:00] <ayekat> Okee: or: have you configured sudo at all?
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• 2068[17:42:15] * ayekat should've started with that
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• 2073[17:43:47] <LtL> Okee: there are two ways to become a sudo user, both require root privileges. install sudo and use 'adduser username sudo' -or- edit /etc/sudoers file with the 'visudo' command.. as root.
• 2074[17:44:08] <LtL> ayekat: good luck!
• 2075[17:44:16] <Okee> ayekat> Here is the contents of the suoders file replaced-url
• 2076[17:44:41] <avalchev> Hello, is there any boost 1.71 package, or I have to build it by myself
• 2077[17:44:56] <Okee> LtL> I get amessage that pdq is already a member of sudoers.
• 2078[17:44:57] <LtL> Okee: so you are root, yes?
• 2079[17:45:21] <ayekat> Okee: alright, so the sudoers file currently states that only members of the `sudo` group (and the root user itself) can use sudo
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• 2081[17:46:00] <ayekat> whereas the `id` output before showed that the pdq user is not part of the `sudo` group
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• 2084[17:46:24] <ayekat> the two possibilities were already given by LtL before (although I would recommend the first one (adding the pdq user to the sudo group))
• 2085[17:46:26] <Solifugus> Trying to install Debian 10, doesn't see the CDROM drive that it boots from. Is it possible to somehow put the ISO contents in a partition of the SSD and then boot from that to install on the rest of the SSD?
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• 2089[17:48:24] <LtL> Okee: pdq is NOT in tha5t file and doesn't need to be, as root type # apt install sudo ; adduser pdq sudo .. then logout and log back in, 'id' will show you in the sudo group/
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• 2091[17:49:32] <Okee> LtL> sudo is already installed. I installed it yesterday.
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• 2093[17:50:11] <LtL> Okee: then 'adduser pdq sudo' as root! then type exit and logout/login. done
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• 2098[17:52:03] <Okee> LtL> I get error message that pdq is already a member when using the adduser command.
• 2099[17:52:10] <Okee> Seems strange.
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• 2102[17:52:45] <LtL> Okee: have you logged out since using adduser? it won't take affect until you do.
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• 2104[17:53:38] <Okee> LtL> Yes, I logged out, and the problem persists.
• 2105[17:53:43] <LtL> Okee: logout means logout of your desktop, or console and log back in.
• 2106[17:53:50] <Okee> I assume you mean logging out of root.
• 2107[17:54:00] <Okee> Hold on.
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• 2109[17:54:08] <Solifugus> Maybe I can boot Debian from a USB then point to its files on the CD for installation?
• 2110[17:54:13] <LtL> Okee: what does 'id' say now, does it show sudo group?
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• 2112[17:54:40] <addviking> Solifugus, that would be more painful. i haven't seen that error in a long time. are you using a current installer?
• 2113[17:54:51] <LtL> Oksana: i mean exit root AND logout of your desktop or console and log back in.
• 2114[17:55:37] <gmturner> OK, sorry for venting quasi-nonsense last night. Here is what was getting me all flustered: if I build custom live-{boot,config}* .deb and put it in my live-config's ${pwd}/config/packages.chroot, the resulting chain of initramfs'es goes through three phases:...
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• 2117[17:57:01] <LtL> Okee/wi
• 2118[17:57:11] <LtL> err, sorry
• 2119[17:57:54] <Okee> LtL> I logged out and it had no effect.
• 2120[17:58:01] <LtL> Okee: if you are IRC'ing from aforementioned machine you will need to leave and come back.
• 2121[17:58:02] <gmturner> in the first phase, it is looking for the .iso or "medium". This phase has the right /usr/lib/live/ files corresponding to my provided .deb. In the last phase, it is supposed to be done with all pivot_root nonsense and would also have the correct /usr/lib/live/ stuff if it go there
• 2122[17:58:54] <Okee> LtL> I did that, and logged out of my account completely. It had no effect.
• 2123[17:59:19] <LtL> Okee: are you on that machine at this moment?
• 2124[17:59:21] <ayekat> Okee: as root, what's the output of `id pdq`?
• 2125[17:59:31] <Okee> LtL> Yes
• 2126[17:59:33] <addviking> Solifugus, and/or maybe try the non-free firmware installer?
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• 2128[18:00:36] <Okee> ayekat> Do you mean this root@debian:/home/pdq# ^C
• 2129[18:00:36] <LtL> Okee: are you logged in as pdq? if so what does 'id' output say?
• 2130[18:01:07] <Okee> LtL> Currently logged in as root after using the su command.
• 2131[18:01:19] <ayekat> Okee: that's the root prompt
• 2132[18:01:33] <ayekat> Okee: I'm asking for the output of the `id pdq` command as that root user
• 2133[18:01:38] <gmturner> but it doesn't because in the /second/ (middle) phase, where it's trying to find the "more beefier" initramfs , the one that contains a systemctl binary (but definitely not the whole live system), it is using some other live-boot .deb package. I can see it whizzing by in the output of my "lb build" invocation, and also by peeking into the ${PWD}}/chroot/usr/lib/live at the right moment.
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• 2135[18:02:16] <Okee> uid=1000(pdq) gid=1000(pdq) groups=1000(pdq),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),112(scanner)
• 2136[18:02:28] <gmturner> sorry not systemctl yet -- s/systemctl/plymouth/g
• 2137[18:02:43] <ayekat> Okee: pdq doesn't appear to be part of the sudo group according to that
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• 2139[18:02:48] <LtL> Okee: i see your pwd is /home/pdq/ so first become root properly in the future, it is 'su -' so now type exit and become pdq and trye 'id' it should include sudo or you did something wrong.
• 2140[18:03:04] <LtL> *type
• 2141[18:03:45] <ayekat> ah yeah, maybe that changes with `su -` instead of just `su`... not sure though (usually, even as yourself, typing `id {username}` gives the system state as opposed to simply `id`, which gives the *current* state)
• 2142[18:04:05] <Okee> ayekat> So how do I change this? The add user command will not work. Do I need to edit the sudoer file using visudo?
• 2143[18:04:24] <gmturner> Anybody know why/wherefore/whathaveyou live-build is deciding to pull in some other .deb? Looks like it is the one from stretch IIRC... or maybe even older.
• 2144[18:04:42] <LtL> Okee: don't use sudo as root unless you know what you're doing.
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• 2148[18:05:19] <LtL> Okee: it is adduser NOT add user
• 2149[18:05:28] <gmturner> If I just race with live-build to "inject" the needed patch into the chroot I am able to create a working build but obviously that is not really a solution to my problem :)
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• 2152[18:07:39] <ayekat> Okee: try `usermod -a -G sudo pdq` as root
• 2153[18:07:55] <LtL> Okee: as i said, there are two ways to do this, adduser is fool proof.
• 2154[18:07:55] * ayekat has a feeling that adduser is acting up, or simply run wrongly
• 2155[18:09:24] <LtL> so theres three ways, lets make it difficult, thats unlikely but possible ayekat
• 2156[18:09:24] <humpled> don't you have to log out and in again
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• 2159[18:10:04] <gmturner> So., obv. I'm hoping somebody here might understand why live-build might be doing that and feels generous enough to explaini it to me :)
• 2160[18:10:09] <Okee> ayekat> Your suggested command had no effect.
• 2161[18:10:46] <ayekat> LtL: the thing is just I don't know what adduser does, but `usermod` is the standard way on systems that haven't got adduser installed
• 2162[18:11:02] <ayekat> Okee: yeah no, there's simply no output - but now what is the output of `id pdq`?
• 2163[18:11:12] <gmturner> or even just explain with out the i at the end :P
• 2164[18:11:25] <LtL> ayekat: fair enough, debian adduser works well.
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• 2166[18:11:48] <Okee> LtL> I get error message indicating command not found. This is a complete print out of the message bash: adduser: command not found
• 2167[18:11:57] <LtL> Okee: are you still root? type /usr/sbin/adduser pdq sudo
• 2168[18:12:04] <Okee> LtL> no
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• 2170[18:12:28] <Okee> LtL> Should I be root for that command?
• 2171[18:12:35] <LtL> Okee: yes
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• 2174[18:13:30] <LtL> Okee: it would be in your path if you became root properly, so just use the absolute path, same result. success
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• 2176[18:14:43] <Okee> LtL> Stillget the same error, and it says I am already a member replaced-url
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• 2178[18:15:09] <dvs> Okee, then log out and back in again.
• 2179[18:15:20] <LtL> Okee: you are still root, type exit
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• 2183[18:15:59] <LtL> dvs: apparently he did, bvut something was awry
• 2184[18:16:06] <LtL> *but
• 2185[18:16:34] <dvs> LtL, I bet Okee just closed the terminal
• 2186[18:16:52] <Okee> dvs> NO, the terminal is still open.
• 2187[18:17:11] <Okee> It is like I am going in circles trying to add pdq.
• 2188[18:17:22] <gmturner> Actually I guess that's inaccurate. I guess when it goes wrong is /in/ the more beefier initramfs already. And so it is looking for the live squashfs at that phase but fails due to not contianing the commit I'm attempting to backport from master.
• 2189[18:17:28] <LtL> Okee: remember, using adduser will require ANOTHER logout :)
• 2190[18:17:43] <gmturner> And it already has the plymouth binary around.
• 2191[18:18:13] <Okee> LtL> I get conflicting messages indicating pdq is already a member of the sudoers file. I think something else is going on here, but not sure what.
• 2192[18:18:30] <dvs> Okee, pdq is already a member of sudo. You have to log out and back in again for it to take effect (and I don't mean just closing the terminal window)
• 2193[18:18:58] <ayekat> Okee: "is already a member of the sudoers file"?? what command produces that output?
• 2194[18:19:01] <LtL> Okee: AS pdq can you use sudo? example sudo cat /var/log/syslog
• 2195[18:19:38] <LtL> dvs: you and ayekat can help Okee i have to go.
• 2196[18:20:10] <dvs> I have to go soon too
• 2197[18:20:41] <ayekat> I feel like we're running in circles here, but I'll stay for another moment
• 2198[18:21:14] <Okee> LtL> No, I can't use the command. Here is an output of the results replaced-url
• 2199[18:22:01] <LtL> Okee: okay you'e pdq, type 'id' no quotes, is sudo there?
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• 2201[18:22:21] <Okee> LtL> in root?
• 2202[18:22:31] <LtL> Okee: no, as pqd
• 2203[18:22:40] <LtL> pdq rather
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• 2206[18:23:22] <LtL> Okee: id should show sudo among other groups.
• 2207[18:23:30] <Okee> LtL> Sudo is not there-->uid=1000(pdq) gid=1000(pdq) groups=1000(pdq),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),112(scanner)
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• 2209[18:23:46] <ayekat> Okee: and `id pdq`?
• 2210[18:24:07] <LtL> Okee: then you made a mistake while acting as root.
• 2211[18:24:33] <dvs> Okee, log out and back in again.
• 2212[18:24:36] <LtL> i'll be back
• 2213[18:24:40] <ayekat> Okee: actually, what's the output of `getent group sudo`?
• 2214[18:24:49] <Okee> ayekat> Sudo is there when typing id pdq -->uid=1000(pdq) gid=1000(pdq) groups=1000(pdq),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),112(scanner)
• 2215[18:25:00] <ayekat> Okee: ah well, so now, log out, and log in
• 2216[18:25:15] <Okee> standby
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• 2221[18:26:11] <Okee> ayekat> I am back.
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• 2223[18:26:31] <ayekat> also... I'm frustrated, so here's a bit of honesty: please read instructions more carefully, and provide the asked information without requiring 3 people asking for it twice each time
• 2224[18:27:02] <ayekat> Okee: alright, so what's the output of `id` now?
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• 2228[18:28:28] <Okee> ayekat> Sudo is now working, but not sure what caused it to work.
• 2229[18:28:35] <ayekat> ...
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• 2231[18:28:39] <ayekat> Imma outa here
• 2232[18:28:41] <dvs> Okee, logging out and back in again
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• 2234[18:29:05] <Okee> dvs> But I had done that earlier and it had no effect.
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• 2236[18:29:28] <dvs> Okee, probably because pdq wasn't added to the group properly
• 2237[18:29:39] <Okee> ok
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• 2240[18:32:34] <LtL> Okee: Yay!
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• 2245[18:33:48] <LtL> !cookie Okee
• 2246[18:33:50] <dpkg> Hey ltl, httpd is a generic name for a daemon. The most common HTTP daemon program on Linux systems is <apache>. Others include <caudium>, <cherokee>, <lighttpd>, <nginx> and <webfs>.
• 2247[18:33:58] <dvs> ha!
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• 2250[18:34:06] <LtL> what!
• 2251[18:34:30] <dvs> Somebody messed up.
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• 2257[18:37:26] <LtL> Okee: word of caution, use sudo and or root very carefully. good job.
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• 2275[18:51:13] <LtL> ayekat: nice of you to help, just saying :)
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• 2279[18:53:23] <ayekat> LtL: happy to help
• 2280[18:53:36] <ayekat> it's just not very fun to throw words at a wall and see what sticks
• 2281[18:53:55] <LtL> ayekat: you always do, thanks again. yeah, i feel ya
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• 2285[18:55:35] <LtL> 'What.. we have here, is a failure to communicate' - Cool Hand Luke ;)
• 2286[18:56:45] <LtL> us heathen americans will understand that.
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• 2305[19:11:37] <letterrip> hi all has anyone encountered custom software cursors not rendering? such as inkscape and krita cursors? 'normal' cursors ibeam, pointer, etc seem to work
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• 2335[19:35:08] <LtL> letterrip: you might try, sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme # and choose
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• 2338[19:35:51] <LtL> letterrip: that would apply if you installed a theme most likely.
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• 2342[19:38:43] <letterrip> ok
• 2343[19:39:27] <letterrip> thanks
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• 2345[19:40:29] <LtL> welcome
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• 2358[19:50:50] <brutser> Hi, how can you suppress any error messages to stdin or stderr? for example, i have gpg blabla &> /dev/null but still error messages from gpg are shown
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• 2365[19:53:59] <LtL> brutser: gpg blahblah >/dev/null 2>&1 should work
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• 2367[19:54:42] <brutser> LtL: ok let me give that a try
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• 2370[19:55:38] <Okee> Ayekat> Any thoughts on how to recover a debian system that won't boot? I am currently at root, I attempted to upgrade to Buster which caused the problem. Also, noticed someone messed with the OS, and there appears to recovery for two different distros: volatile, and stable. I wasn't aware of this before attempting the upgrade, but would like to get rid of the volatileif I am lucky enough to get back into the system.
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• 2376[19:56:44] <Okee> I am currently at the command line after selecting the recovery option.
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• 2382[19:57:39] <LtL> brutser: better yet, 2>&1 /dev/null
• 2383[19:57:49] <brutser> LtL: result is pretty much same, gpg write to stderr i believe, anyway with your command i still find > gpg: decryption failed: Bad session key as one of the example messages that are still printed to screen
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• 2387[19:59:17] <brutser> LtL: it seems no matter where you redirect output of the gpg command to, it give these errors and warnings outside of the command scope
• 2388[19:59:49] <brutser> your other suggestion the same
• 2389[20:01:33] <LtL> brutser: gpg blah 2>&1 > /dev/null try that
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• 2391[20:01:40] <Okee> I can't believe it. It is a miracle. i got back into the corrupted system. The next step is to get rid of the volatile files. Any suggestion on how to do this?
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• 2394[20:02:37] <brutser> LtL: same
• 2395[20:03:00] <brutser> results i get are info, like gpg: encrypted with 1 passphrase
• 2396[20:03:15] <brutser> and error, like gpg: decryption failed: Bad session key
• 2397[20:03:27] <LtL> Okee: apt update wotk ok? apt autoremove might help, but you have a situation there, meaning a bad dist-upgrade possibly.
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• 2400[20:04:47] <Okee> Incidentally I used the recovery tool for the earlier version 4.9 or something like that I think. I don't thnk the later recovery tool was working. I tried the later one yesterday and it did nothing.
• 2401[20:05:08] <LtL> brutser: i don't get any output when encrypting, and decrypting i just get prompted for passphrase.. maybe it gpg-agent messing with you, restart it
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• 2403[20:06:13] <LtL> brutser: if three attemts fai then run gpgconf --kill gpg-agent
• 2404[20:06:18] <LtL> *fail
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• 2407[20:08:36] <amosbird> hi, how can I speed up deb packaging time? dpkg-deb -Z gzip --build debian/clickhouse-client ..
• 2408[20:08:43] <amosbird> gzip takes too long
• 2409[20:08:46] <brutser> LtL: weird, it stays the same with me, even if i enter correct passphrase I get the info: gpg: encrypted with 1 passphrase
• 2410[20:08:48] <amosbird> I have 40 cores but it only uses 1
• 2411[20:09:12] <brutser> and if i enter wrong pass, which i do primarily for testing now, i get the error: gpg: decryption failed: Bad session key
• 2412[20:09:35] <LtL> brutser: i'ver never seen that..
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• 2414[20:10:11] <brutser> LtL: it's on qemu, debian 10 minimal with just gnupg package installed
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• 2416[20:10:22] <LtL> brutser: gpg --list-keys look ok?
• 2417[20:11:15] <brutser> LtL: yes no keys currently as i not created one, using symmetric
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• 2419[20:11:48] <Okee> LtL> Can you clarify the syntax of the wotk command?
• 2420[20:12:05] <brutser> i don't say that the error message is confusing me, that's just because I enter a wrong passphrase, but it bugs me that I cannot avoid the error from printing to stdin (or stderr)
• 2421[20:12:18] <LtL> brutser: i would fix your keyring, generate a key, i don't know how its working at all
• 2422[20:12:42] <LtL> Okee: what is 'wotk'?
• 2423[20:13:06] <brutser> LtL: well i don't need fix for gpg really, we can probably take another command, let me try actually just that (brb)
• 2424[20:13:36] <Okee> LtL> I don't know. You seeemed to indicate it was a command I should use for clearing out volatile files from a stable install.
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• 2428[20:14:47] <LtL> Okee: i suggested a simple 'apt autoremove' but i doubt in your case its that easy.
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• 2430[20:14:55] <brutser> LtL: yes, wget replaced-url
• 2431[20:15:19] <brutser> it show at minimum "wget: unable to resolve host address 'unknownppppp.com'
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• 2433[20:15:38] <brutser> i don't want it to show anything
• 2434[20:15:44] <Okee> LtL> Autoremove is not likely to remove the Frankenstein files.
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• 2436[20:15:55] <Okee> I have a Frankenstein.
• 2437[20:16:17] <skybnet> hello word
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• 2440[20:16:49] <Okee> I am wondering if at this point it might make sense to copy all the data tomy 250gb memory stick, and attempt a fresh install.
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• 2442[20:17:40] <LtL> Okee: how fresh, and what do you need to save?
• 2443[20:18:06] <LtL> skybnet: world says hello
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• 2447[20:23:02] <Okee> I need to backup my documents, desktop, and images folders.
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• 2450[20:24:18] <LtL> Okee: tar them up and put them on some media, tar czvf images.tar.gz images/ like that
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• 2453[20:25:12] <skybnet> LtL: what is the theme of the discussion tonight, i want to study to
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• 2462[20:28:10] <Okee> I am just so glad I could get back into the other system. I have a couple of critical bills that need to get paid at work, and other stuff.
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• 2464[20:28:37] <NetTerminalGene> i will watch toy story 4
• 2465[20:28:42] <NetTerminalGene> new debian names
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• 2469[20:29:46] <TwistedFate> hi, how can i add a host name and a domain name to my machine?
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• 2471[20:31:51] <LtL> brutser: i guess you can encrypt w/gpg and a passphrase, without a key eh? didn't know that.
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• 2473[20:32:08] <brutser> yea, just symmetric encryption
• 2474[20:32:14] <brutser> LtL: i found the solution
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• 2476[20:32:38] <brutser> LtL: gpg blabla &>> stdout.log
• 2477[20:32:47] <brutser> the &>> capture all stdout and stderr
• 2478[20:33:01] <LtL> brutser: ah, i'll remember that
• 2479[20:33:23] <teclo-> Ouch ! Trying to install Debian GNU/Linux 10.1 amd64 from the official DVD, after partitioning, I get "Packages.gz is corrupt"... ouch !! what is the next step ?
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• 2483[20:35:15] <nvz> I had just changed a sources.list on a strech machine to upgrade to buster and when I did apt-get update, I got this: replaced-url
• 2484[20:35:25] <nvz> don't recall seeing such things before
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• 2486[20:35:32] <Mathisen> TwistedFate, hostname > /etc/hostname domain > /etc/resolv.conf
• 2487[20:35:52] <teclo-> it's what debootstrap says: Packages.gz was corrupt
• 2488[20:35:52] <nvz> not sure wtf AppStream even is
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• 2492[20:36:48] <TwistedFate> Mathisen: is this the correct format for etc/resolv.conf?
• 2493[20:36:55] <TwistedFate> domain domain.org
• 2494[20:37:03] <TwistedFate> nameserver 10.243.21.11
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• 2496[20:37:16] <Mathisen> yes
• 2497[20:37:24] <TwistedFate> Mathisen: thanks
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• 2506[20:41:04] <LtL> nvz: possibly related to apparmor? i've never seen that either
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• 2508[20:42:33] <nvz> LtL: there is a wikipedia article saying appstream is some f'n standard to address application metadata across distributions
• 2509[20:42:55] <LtL> nvz: upgrading to buster involves apt update, apt upgrade, then apt full-upgrade after changing sources.list iirc
• 2510[20:42:56] <nvz> I'm getting about sick of f'n standards.. I use Debian.. I want my shit to work across Debian.. nothing else :P
• 2511[20:43:54] <LtL> ..back later
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• 2538[21:07:59] <teclo-> ah by the way on the fourth console debotstrap says "No space left on device"
• 2539[21:08:01] <teclo-> that's weird
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• 2541[21:08:49] <teclo-> and at the same time it says Packages.gz is corrupt
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• 2547[21:13:03] <Okee> Anyone know what the command is for removing volatile packages from a stable installation? It looks like someone messed with this OS and turned it into a Frankenstein.
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• 2553[21:17:03] <smev81> Using mxlinux, but since it is based on debian, I wanted to use imagemagick, but I can not find the "magick" command. It should be part of the imagemagick(-common) package, shouldn't it?
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• 2555[21:17:40] <Okee> I assume this is a downgrade command from Volatile to Stable.
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• 2559[21:24:47] <Okee> I found something on downgrading on this website,but not sure of the pin number I should be using replaced-url
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• 2570[21:31:44] <mossylane> hi all
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• 2574[21:33:06] <mossylane> I want to cross-compile a c++ program with mingw64, it has a boost dependency. In fedora there are ready-to-install mingw packages for boost, does debian have mingw64 packages for boost?
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• 2581[21:36:41] <EZFlyer> can someone point me to the right channel to ask noob questions? looking for help on old nvidia driver for buster
• 2582[21:37:01] <karlpinc> EZFlyer: This is the right channel.
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• 2586[21:37:40] <BCMM> Okee: is your distro based on a *really* old debian release? "volatile" doesn't exist any more.
• 2587[21:37:59] <BCMM> also:
• 2588[21:38:04] <BCMM> !mxlinux
• 2589[21:38:05] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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• 2593[21:40:50] <karlpinc> mossylane: I forget how mingw works. You can't just install the *boost*-dev packages and have it work?
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• 2596[21:42:23] <mossylane> the compiler itself is in package 'g++-mingw-w64-x86-64' which would give me an .exe
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• 2598[21:42:54] <mossylane> but as a dependency it needs boost libraries (.dll files) which under fedora are in a package
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• 2602[21:44:24] <karlpinc> mossylane: I see. My suspicion is that you'd need to compile them also. But this is a guess.
• 2603[21:44:45] <BCMM> i get that you need the dlls at runtime, but do you actually need them to be present to build it?
• 2604[21:44:56] <mossylane> hmmzz, cross-compiling boost... meh :o(
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• 2608[21:46:06] <mossylane> not to build, but the headers and the .dll version need to match with eachother
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• 2611[21:47:36] <karlpinc> mossylane: FYI. One of the "build stuff" hints is to use debootstrap to setup a chroot and work in there. That way you don't install lots and lots of *-dev ppackages and whatnot directly on the box.
• 2612[21:48:36] <mossylane> karlpinc, oh yes, I actually trying to build this in a docker environment
• 2613[21:48:57] <karlpinc> mossylane: So what is the problem that needs solving? You want to make sure that the target system has the right library version?
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• 2615[21:49:33] <mossylane> the problem is that debian doesn't seem to have mingw version of some well-known libraries like boost or zlib
• 2616[21:49:59] <karlpinc> mossylane: Right. But you don't need these to build, so...?
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• 2618[21:50:29] <mossylane> yes, I need that to build...
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• 2620[21:51:29] <mossylane> it would be awesome if there where packages, instead of me having to figure out how to cross-compile boost, or worse, cross-compile gtk3
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• 2623[21:52:52] <mossylane> I could just go with fedora and use that, but I hoped debian had something for this aswell
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• 2625[21:53:29] <mossylane> usually the same packages are available on both
• 2626[21:53:31] <karlpinc> mossylane: You might ask during the week. There tend to be some more experienced people here during "business hours". (Whatever that is.)
• 2627[21:54:31] <karlpinc> mossylane: replaced-url
• 2628[21:55:00] <karlpinc> mossylane: Don't know anything about that, but sounds like the kind of thing you're looking for.
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• 2631[21:56:03] <mossylane> that's a great link! thanks karl :)
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• 2645[21:59:53] <karlpinc> mossylane: That sort of stuff does not tend to be in debian proper, although there's "pure blend" versions of debian like skolelinx for eductation. I've no clue if there's a mingw sort of offical debian but not exactly version. replaced-url
• 2646[22:00:40] <karlpinc> mossylane: In other words, sounds like you should not be the only one with this sort of question but I don't know how to connect you to the right people.
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• 2649[22:02:39] <mossylane> i'm just gonna try with that first link and see what it gets me, I'll just lurk here for a bit and maybe ask again in a couple of days
• 2650[22:03:07] <mossylane> but it looks like that the qemu guys did what I need
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• 2662[22:07:53] <magnulu> how can I check what is being accessed via samba on my headless server?
• 2663[22:08:07] <magnulu> someone is transferring stuff, and I want to find out what :)
• 2664[22:08:15] <Okee> BCHM> I think I am running 4.9, but there is referrence to 5.2.0.0 in the boot menu as well.
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• 2673[22:13:34] <SerajewelKS> magnulu: lsof might give you some clue
• 2674[22:13:40] <SerajewelKS> magnulu: you could also turn up samba's logging
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• 2702[22:24:30] <magnulu> SerajewelKS: thanks, lsof did the trick
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• 2704[22:24:50] <magnulu> I am still struggling to figure out what is transferred through smbd though.. :P
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• 2713[22:34:30] <bugjar> hi
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• 2761[23:17:39] <oflameo> I changed motherboards recently and I now have a built in soundcard of Realtek ALC892 and every analog output is (unplugged) and I can't get audio out of it.
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• 2771[23:24:15] <cybercrypto> !vim
• 2772[23:24:15] <dpkg> Vi IMproved (vim) is an enhanced <vi> editor. Extremely popular clone with syntax highlighting and graphical X interface available. The vim-tiny package no longer installs vim <alternatives> as of version 2:7.2.049-1 (Debian bug #529977). See also <vim refcard>, <cream>, <colored pager>, <vim syntax highlighting>. replaced-url
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• 2802[23:41:43] <digital-_-mystik> hello.. does anyone know how I can run `xrandr --output Virtual-0 --auto` automatically at boot or login in a debian QEMU/KVM guest? I installed the spice drivers but the resolution will not resize automatically unless I run that command.. it's a KDE DE and I've read that it works fine with Gnome
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• 2809[23:50:50] <bionade24> How can I deny apt's hooks?
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• 2813[23:54:53] <jelly> how do I prevent systemd from polluting dmesg? On buster,
• 2814[23:54:55] <jelly> [Sun Sep 15 23:44:38 2019] systemd-journald[426]: Failed to save stream data /run/systemd/journal/streams/9:47022473: No space left on device
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