1[00:00:09] <SerajewelKS> check the X logs, you may be missing a required X and/or kernel video driver
2[00:00:21] <commandline1> was installing nvidia drivers on debian 9 using the official site
3[00:00:34] <SerajewelKS> i was just about to bring up proprietary drivers
4[00:00:35] <SerajewelKS> !nvidia
5[00:00:36] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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7[00:00:58] <SerajewelKS> don't use nvidia's installer if you want support here
8[00:01:00] <commandline1> alright
9[00:01:08] <SerajewelKS> nvidia dkms
10[00:01:10] <SerajewelKS> !nvidia dkms
11[00:01:11] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"ntIdentifier "My GPU"ntDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
12[00:01:38] <SerajewelKS> that echo line doesn't look like it would work
13[00:01:42] <gmturner> SerajewelKS, you have any experience with lvmcache? My understanding is it's a bit of a minefield and maybe not all the bugs are fixed. But I have no personal experience.
14[00:01:43] <SerajewelKS> i think the escapes got gobbled up
25[00:07:34] <SerajewelKS> gmturner: doing some research it looks like a pretty nasty bug was fixed in the kernel 4.12 and buster is 4.19, so maybe it's fine in buster
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30[00:09:44] <gmturner> could be. like I said I've got no expeience... more of a vague impression that maybe I'm better off not using it if I don't want problems.
31[00:10:06] <magic_ninja> So debian just completely crapped out on me.
43[00:13:46] <gmturner> unfortunately, SerajewelKS, I believe lvmcache uses dm-cache under the hood and they have the same pitfalls. I do vaguely recall that there was another in-tree framework, and some out-of-tree alternatives as well, but that could all be wrong.
46[00:14:42] <magic_ninja> back in action. That was scary
47[00:14:58] <SerajewelKS> gmturner: seems strange that linux wouldn't have a stable writeback caching mechanism by now :/
48[00:15:00] <magic_ninja> I thought I was going to have to reinstall DOS
49[00:16:07] <gmturner> Yeah, kind-of unfortunate if that's really so SerajewelKS. If you're determined to have your cake and eat it too, my advice would just be to do lots of testing to make sure you do, indeed, actually have your cake.
50[00:16:30] <SerajewelKS> gmturner: i do have nightly backups though rebuilding the system would be a pita
53[00:17:45] <magic_ninja> what can do I about pavuctrl not saving my settings
54[00:18:07] <SerajewelKS> i've heard that using an ssd to hold the ext4 journal can offer pretty big performance improvements as well, as sync/fsync flushes to the ssd only
59[00:19:37] <gmturner> that might indeed get you some moarfastering without as much risk SerajewelKS
60[00:19:42] <magic_ninja> under configuration-->built in audio I have to keep changing to to "duplex stero" and I don't know how to save it
61[00:20:16] <SerajewelKS> gmturner: i wonder if using some USB flash sticks would work in that capacity, since the amount of data isn't that great. we wouldn't be looking at throughput, we'd be looking at fsync latency...
65[00:22:40] <gmturner> Possible but you'd need the right stick SerajewelKS; recent corsair "GTX" sticks are basically sata-ssd's on a USB 3.1 interface for example, and can probably beat spinning rust. but of course they probably have way more latency than, i.e., native sata ssds
66[00:23:11] <gmturner> "native" being a relative term of course :)
67[00:23:20] <SerajewelKS> i have a few junk sticks laying around that i could raid1 and run some performance tests on. it's theoretically possible that fsync latency is better.
77[00:27:38] <gmturner> right although I suspect they are way behind in both dimensions. You might try leaving some of your sticks unpartitioned since those sticks get all wierd and slow as you approach capcity limits
164[01:27:40] <dmar198> I'm trying to ssh into my server via tor from outside my local lan, but I keep getting the error "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host." I've checked my auth.log and it does not show any point where my server closed a connection on me when I tried to ssh into it. What should I do?
183[01:37:20] <dmar198> I see a lot of errors about not finding rsa_certs, dsa_certs, and ecdsa_certs, then the message "Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0," then "Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.4p1 Debian-10+deb9u6," then "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"
194[01:47:03] <HotBeefDip> can someone explain why Synaptic is included with Buster if it, apparently, isn't working? or...maybe I'm doing something wrong when I try to use it?
217[02:04:02] <HotBeefDip> LtL I'm fairly new to Linux but isn't the whole idea of Debian's "stable" branch that all the packages included will work if used on a vanilla (default) system install? Or am I misunderstanding the philosophy behind the stable branch?
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219[02:05:16] <LtL> HotBeefDip: it did until Xwayland came along, hopefully that will be fixed, others apps may not work either.
220[02:05:20] <HotBeefDip> do I need to configure Buster differently if I want to use certain packages, like Synaptic?
221[02:05:46] <SerajewelKS> HotBeefDip: no, the idea of debian's stable branch is that it doesn't change after release except to fix _critical_ bugs and security updates
223[02:06:15] <HotBeefDip> SerajewelKS ahh, gotcha...thx for the clarification
224[02:06:34] <SerajewelKS> np
225[02:06:53] <SerajewelKS> in particular, "optional thing A doesn't work with optional thing B" isn't a critical bug :)
226[02:06:55] <LtL> HotBeefDip: the only work around at the moment is to install/use 'weston' I know nothing about weston, but the wiki mentions it.
227[02:07:24] <HotBeefDip> I know it's better to use the command line package managers like apt and aptitude...but, since I'm new I thought I'd get my feet wet with Synaptic...I'm starting to think getting Synaptic working will be more trouble than it's worth...is that a fair assumption?
228[02:08:02] <HotBeefDip> alternatively, would it be worth nuking Buster and installing Stretch instead?
229[02:08:05] <LtL> HotBeefDip: yes, that's a fair assumption.
230[02:09:36] <LtL> HotBeefDip: That's up to you, for myself it wouldn't be worth the downgrade but I never use synaptic.
231[02:09:56] <HotBeefDip> LtL ok, thanks for the advice
233[02:10:25] <LtL> HotBeefDip: hopefully it'll be fixed and you're welcome.
234[02:10:32] <HotBeefDip> also, is it possible to run a more current browser than ESR without ending up with a weird franken-distro? I found this site linked on the Debian wiki, but it doesn't mention how to install the release version of Firefox under Buster... replaced-url
235[02:10:46] <HotBeefDip> *than Firefox ESR I meant
236[02:11:55] <LtL> HotBeefDip: thats where I installed FF from a couple years ago, i run FF 69, but ESR is still intact.
244[02:14:34] <LtL> HotBeefDip: just extract the tarball in $HOME and run it. i put a symlink on my desktop and it launches by default, don't recall how i did that
245[02:14:50] <HotBeefDip> LtL awesome, thanks so much!
251[02:18:13] <HotBeefDip> would someone mind having a quick read through this and tell me if there's any potential downsides to this approach? I believe this will make the current release of Firefox the 'default' browser under Buster without getting rid of Firefox ESR...but I'm not entirely sure I understand exactly what these commands do
265[02:25:34] <LtL> HotBeefDip: Be aware it won't update via apt, you need to click the 'help' menubar and 'about' to update FF.
266[02:25:50] <HotBeefDip> LtL yeah, I figured as much...thx
267[02:26:09] <LtL> Atleast I doubt it will update via apt. pretty sure.
268[02:26:23] <jmaher> grub-install --target=x86_64-efi crashes my machine - is there some easy way to find out why? (the machine boots most of the time, but sometimes just to the grub shell)
269[02:26:43] <LtL> it just went to version 69 a couple days ago.
324[02:58:44] <cluelessperson> HotBeefDip point releases are minor. Major(.)Minor
325[02:59:02] <awal1> like Stretch ---> Buster
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327[02:59:25] <cluelessperson> The only reason I like to "cleanly" reinstall, is because I sometimes install crap without paying attention to versioning/compatibility
328[02:59:41] <cluelessperson> so by "cleanly" reinstalling, I'm avoiding compatibility issues.
329[02:59:55] <cluelessperson> and it enforces my backup policies.
330[03:00:14] <cluelessperson> That I maintain user data redundancy that I can quickly reload on other machines.
331[03:00:20] <LtL> HotBeefDip: not to worry, it'll be a piece of cake upgrade
332[03:01:08] <HotBeefDip> cluelessperson so...going from 10.0 to 10.1...what type of upgrade would that be classified as? major? or minor?
333[03:01:16] <LtL> minor
334[03:01:18] <cluelessperson> minor
335[03:01:33] <HotBeefDip> cluelessperson that's what I asked, and you said "no"...lol
336[03:01:37] <awal1> not possible to get netflix working on chromium/firefox without installing Chrome or widevine stuff eh?
337[03:02:23] <cluelessperson> HotBeefDip You asked two questions, I answered the first, not the second. ;)
342[03:03:02] <cluelessperson> HotBeefDip so slow down, ask one thing at a time. yes. 10.0 -> 10.1 would be minor
343[03:03:12] <HotBeefDip> cluelessperson so...the first question was "the part that says # For major release upgrades only...does that mean from 9.0 to 10.0 etc.?"
398[03:21:04] <HotBeefD_> can someone tell me if there's a way to use this command without specifying the path to a file? gedit admin:///etc/default/apport
399[03:21:20] <HotBeefD_> in other words, can I just use this to open gedit as root without also opening a file?
400[03:21:33] <HotBeefD_> apparently gksudo is the way it used to work and that's not in buster...?
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423[03:30:19] <SerajewelKS> what exactly is the linux strategy for accelerating writes to HDD RAID1s? the kernel facilities like dm-cache and lvmcache using an SSD RAID1 seem to be implicated in kernel panics and strange storage corruption after unexpected shutdowns
454[03:45:39] <HotBeefD_> what I'm trying to do seems like it should be fairly easy but I'm having a hell of a time, even when I try to lookup instructions...I need to open the firefox-esr.desktop file from /usr/share/applications, make some changes to it (I want to use it as a template to make a firefox.desktop file for the release version of firefox) and save it under a different name (firefox.desktop)...can I open the file with nano and save it under a
455[03:45:41] <HotBeefD_> different name without f'ing up firefox-esr.desktop?
456[03:46:27] <nvz> you should 1) use a menu editor program like menulibre and/or 2) copy the file to your homedir
457[03:47:04] <jmcnaught> SerajewelKS: I use lvmcache with a single SSD and two HDDs in RAID1 and haven't noticed any problems. Have you tried dm-writecache instead? dm-cache also has a writeback mode that might work for you. I was just reading about them in lvmcache(7).
458[03:47:36] <nvz> global .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications and they are overridden on a per-user basis by the local ~/.local/share/applications/ files
459[03:47:38] <SerajewelKS> jmcnaught: right, lvmcache with writeback is what i'm looking at. (BTW writeback is unsafe unless the cache is redundant as well. hope you're using writethrough!)
460[03:47:58] <nvz> HotBeefD_: global .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications and they are overridden on a per-user basis by the local ~/.local/share/applications/ files. You shouldn't modify the global files
461[03:48:25] <jmcnaught> SerajewelKS: I'm using writethrough.
462[03:49:06] <HotBeefD_> nvz so, can I make a copy of firefox-esr.desktop, save it in ~/.local/share/applications using the name "firefox.desktop" and make changes to it so it works with the release version of Firefox?
476[03:55:15] <HotBeefD_> so, if I want to create a NEW desktop file which currently does not exist in either of those folders...can I place it in either folder?
477[03:55:39] <HotBeefD_> firefox.desktop does not currently exist and I want to create it
478[03:55:51] <HotBeefD_> I just want to use firefox-esr.desktop as a template
479[03:56:01] <HotBeefD_> where do I put the file I want to create?
484[03:57:50] <nvz> I have shortcuts for Netflix (Buster Firefox-esr) and Xfinity Stream (Windows Firefox running in Crossover) both I have custom profiles for that are lanuched by the desktop entries with those profiles which have a custom UserChrome.css which makes the windows appear without scroll/menu/tool bars and such
491[04:03:26] <SerajewelKS> jmcnaught: thanks for the writecache pointer though, didn't know that existed. looks like it's new in 4.18. and lvmcache supports it.
519[04:14:18] <nvz> oh well I guess there are always confusing things like how on Windows your computer is on your desktop, when the desktop is in the C: in the computer
520[04:14:30] <nvz> its like some kinda m.c. escher thing
521[04:14:49] <SerajewelKS> you can refer to sshfs as a "fuse filesystem"
522[04:14:59] <SerajewelKS> just like i can refer to lvmcache-test as a KVM VM
523[04:15:16] <SerajewelKS> yeah we use the terms how they make sense
524[04:15:25] <SerajewelKS> and they make sense in context, and sometimes context is weird
535[04:23:06] <SerajewelKS> jmcnaught: "unrecognised segment type writecache"
536[04:23:12] <SerajewelKS> neat, so the docs on buster lie :/
537[04:23:36] <nvz> the docs do that sometimes
538[04:24:32] <HotBeefD_> ok, I think I got it working...but the icon isn't showing up...the line for my icon looks like this "Icon=/browser/chrome/icons/default/default128.png"
539[04:25:03] <HotBeefD_> I put the path relative to the folder that the binary is in, from the Exec line...is that how I'm supposed to do it?
559[04:30:57] <HotBeefD_> I thought maybe the desktop file would automagically relate the path to the icon from the location of the binary specified on the Exec line...now I know
566[04:32:03] <nvz> I'd filed a bug many years ago against samba-doc for including Oreilly's Using Samba guide which is a work of fantasy fiction
567[04:32:53] <nvz> when I talked to the upstream devs they said the only way samba could work as described in there is if it was completely rewritten from scratch
680[06:04:34] <SerajewelKS> i just tested writing 20 64MB files on two volumes, one raid1 and one not redundant, using dd conv=fsync. both tests took about 13 seconds to complete 20 files.
681[06:04:48] <SerajewelKS> this is a bit surprising to me, i would have expected the raid1 to be quite a bit slower
682[06:05:12] <SerajewelKS> in these tests it was only 30ms slower per file
694[06:09:14] <jelly-home> (but also, no reason for two parallel writes of same size to similar devices be significantly slower than a single write to a single device)
705[06:13:53] <SerajewelKS> i could benefit from an SSD write cache still, but i guess that mdraid isn't really adding as much overhead to writes as i thought
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708[06:15:02] <SerajewelKS> if you're wondering about the odd raid1 setup, it's because i had RAID1(3TB, 3TB) and needed more space, i thought i could either buy 2x 6TB disks or just buy one, put the two 3TBs in a RAID0 and then make a RAID1 out of it and the 6TB drive
709[06:15:51] <SerajewelKS> it actually works fairly well. one of the 3TB drives failed about a month later. :) got a new one for free since there was still about six months in the warranty period, popped it back in, had to manually recreate the RAID0 but everything's been fine since then.
711[06:16:15] <SerajewelKS> my only gripe is that md never automatically kicked the raid0 and i have no idea why, with the kernel log full of read errors
785[08:00:47] <alphazulu> when I run /usr/share/docker.io/contrib/check-config.sh it shows a bunch of 'missing' with linux-image-5.2.0-2-amd64. docker fails to start
797[08:10:46] <SerajewelKS> ratrace: cascading iirc. failed from the disk and subsequently the raid0. i suppose the mirror wouldn't kick the raid0 before trying to repair the bad sector
882[09:32:23] <schangg> I got a sudo question. I want all memebers of the sudo group to be able able to run apt-get without being prompted for a password
883[09:32:31] <schangg> I have added the following to /etc/sudoers
918[09:49:51] <otyugh> Hey. Naive question : why does services like sshd (openssh-server) or smbd (samba) wait for target multi-user (hanging the boot process) while they could wait for the "network.target" hence gaining a lot of time at bootup ?
920[09:50:21] <vilpan> hi all, I've got a gpg upgrade stuck on 9.9 - replaced-url
921[09:50:21] <vilpan> I've got libreoffice from stretch-backports, so I guess that's why gpg was pulled in from backports. I suppose this could be fixed by manually installing libgpg-error0 from backpors. Just wondering if this should be reported - doesn't look normal for upgrade to break due to a package from backports.
922[09:50:21] <vilpan> On the other hand, the package from backports being libreoffice I'm surprised it has not been reported already (querybts does not show anything related for either gpg or libgpg-error0), so there might be something else at play I'm not aware of yet.
937[09:55:15] <ratrace> otyugh: there are a lot of things I dislike about how the maintainers have set up service units, and for most of those the answer is to be compatibele with sysv which is _still_ supported
938[09:55:25] <ratrace> /compatible/
939[09:55:47] <ratrace> otyugh: no it's not. run systemctl edit <service name> and it'll pre-create the drop-in directories under /etc/systemd/system/
940[09:56:16] <ratrace> it'll start the $EDITOR and an empty file where you override directives or add new ones
941[09:56:21] <otyugh> ratrace did you wrote an article or some documentation about what and how you'd do ?
942[09:56:31] <otyugh> *or have some link ^^'
943[09:56:39] <ratrace> I didn't, just ask google "how to override systemd service"
949[09:57:58] <ratrace> otyugh: you can also just copy the entire .service from /lib/systemd/system/ into /etc/systemd/system/ it'll work too. it's just that the drop-in way is the recommended one
950[09:58:27] <otyugh> ratrace, ideally I'd like a way to automate changes wihout using and editor. Basically I use sed. (I'm playing with custom debian system using live-build)
951[09:58:50] <otyugh> Nice
952[09:58:55] <otyugh> I was looking for that !
953[09:59:05] <ratrace> otyugh: you don't have to use an editor or systemct edit. it's just a convenience method that pre-creates the dirs. google up "systemd drop-in units" and you'll see how to set it up manually
954[09:59:27] <otyugh> thanks you very much, it helps.
955[09:59:31] <alkisg> otyugh: afaik, sshd doesn't need to run "after network-online"; one can e.g. just ssh to localhost
956[09:59:49] <ratrace> otyugh: the difference is that with drop-in units you only need to write out directives you want to change or remove. by copying the entire .service into /etc/systemd/system, you need to use the entire .service WITH your modificatoin
957[09:59:53] <alkisg> Also it doesn't need to "be stopped after network.target on shutdown"; it can be stopped before that
958[09:59:53] <ratrace> *modifications
959[10:00:09] <alkisg> So afaik multi-user.target is just fine
960[10:00:32] <ratrace> alkisg: ssh to localhost is a very remote and edge case which doesn't really mean ssh.service shouldn't y default depend on network
961[10:01:14] <alkisg> ratrace: this is a good read: replaced-url
962[10:01:20] <otyugh> I don't ssh myself everyday alright >.>
963[10:01:22] <alkisg> """If you are a developer, instead of wondering what to do about network.target, please just fix your program to be friendly to dynamically changing network configuration.
964[10:02:09] <otyugh> My problem with sshd our smbd is that they can delay signifcantly the graphical.target
967[10:02:27] <alkisg> sshd should be able to start before network.target or network-online.target
968[10:02:28] <ratrace> alkisg: tell that to bind :) errors out with stupid DNSSEC failures if it starts before the network. I ain't gonna change thousands of lines of bind code, but I am gonna make it depend on network ;)
969[10:02:31] <alkisg> Thus should delay none
970[10:03:03] <alkisg> ratrace: I'm saying "correct programs like sshd shouldn't depend on network"; you're saying "bind is broken", no arguments there
971[10:03:07] <Lady_Aleena> I try to fix the volume of my sound and fail and then I broke my keyboard volume control.
972[10:03:11] <alkisg> My argument is against "correct programs should depend on network"
973[10:03:16] <ratrace> alkisg: I know, I'm just venting frustration abound Bind ;)
974[10:03:30] <otyugh> smbd delays up to 15sec and ssd without haveged >1min. When they are set to WantedBy=multi-user
975[10:03:34] <ratrace> (being that I was just working to deal with this issue minutes ago)
976[10:03:55] <alkisg> otyugh: sshd doesn't delay here at all; something else is wrong in your setup
984[10:04:53] <alkisg> It *is* possible that other packages have bad dependencies that cause the lag; and that you've found a workaround; but the solution would be to fix the other packages, not sshd, imho
986[10:05:45] <ratrace> I used to have problems with very laggy lightdm. found out it was due to network being hogged down by stupid idiotic avahi mdns which lagged because there's no mdns in my network
987[10:05:59] <ratrace> none of that was obvious from the systemd-analyze
988[10:06:13] <otyugh> Multi-user.target means "before the graphical target", systemd-analyze show that both service smdb and sshd are lagging behind, setting them to network.target makes it right. Weeell. If this is not smdb or sshd being slow for some reason, what is ?
992[10:06:38] <ratrace> what put me on correct path to look into network, was DHCP logs stating it took 20+ seconds to get an IP, and after I chased a few red herrings reconfiguring the dhcp server
993[10:07:19] <ratrace> after halfa day I thought to check if there's somethign else about network and found avahi. Nuked that piece of carp and voila! lightdm pops up immediately on boot.
997[10:08:29] <friendlyGoat> i upgraded to buster and now my python scripts no longer work and instead loop an error over and over until my computer vent starts to whirr as loud as it can
1012[10:13:34] <ratrace> friendlyGoat: stretch had different python3 version. are you sure your scripts are compatible with python 3.7? iirc there was some change wrt async between 3.5 and 3.7
1013[10:13:34] <friendlyGoat> i feel incredibly stupid sharing this but my upgrade was completely by accident but im not dealing with reinstalling 9. i was gonna install something and the guide had me add some sources to my source list and i didnt realize it said buster and i didnt realize until it was too late that me using dist-upgrade was taking so long cause i was upgrading the whole os. decided forget it im gonna work with what i got i suppose so now im on 10.
1029[10:21:46] <thanasisk> hello everyone, I am packaging a nodejs application as .deb - postinst works fine BUT when i do apt remove or apt purge, postrm is executed and then postinst is executed again
1030[10:22:04] <StyXman> I have a routing problem: replaced-url
1041[10:27:35] <wumpalumpa1> anyone using parrot security?
1042[10:27:43] <wumpalumpa1> where is the report folder?
1043[10:29:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1555
1044[10:29:13] <StyXman> Lady_Aleena: it depends a lot, some programs do it themselves, some DEs do it. which desktop are you using?
1045[10:29:23] <Lady_Aleena> XFCE 4.12.5
1046[10:29:42] <Gabriel_7> StyXman: Config looks fine. Not a problem of packet filtering ? (iptables, etc.)
1047[10:29:52] <wumpalumpa1> I am using mate
1048[10:29:54] <wumpalumpa1> sorry
1049[10:30:05] <wumpalumpa1> that answer wasnt for me I see
1050[10:30:14] <ratrace> wumpalumpa1: there is no parrot report folder in debian
1051[10:30:24] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: triggerhappy may help in combination with something like amixer
1052[10:30:36] <nvz> ,i triggerhappy
1053[10:30:38] <judd> Package triggerhappy (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: global hotkey daemon for Linux. Version: 0.5.0-1; Size: 31.2k; Installed: 120k; Homepage: replaced-url
1054[10:31:23] <StyXman> Gabriel_7: I turned off the fw for testing: nothing changed
1055[10:31:25] <thanasisk> StyXman: which pastebin should I use?
1056[10:31:40] <wumpalumpa1> ratrace
1057[10:31:44] <nvz> triggerhappy is as universal as it gets, works in console or anything, and has different profiles and hotkeys can switch between them
1058[10:31:46] <StyXman> Lady_Aleena: maybe you need to figure xfce's mixer app
1059[10:31:48] <wumpalumpa1> I am using Parrot Security 4.6 distro
1060[10:31:52] <wumpalumpa1> wich is based on Debian
1076[10:33:24] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1077[10:33:46] <ayekat> poor dpkg is a bit slow today :-/
1078[10:33:51] <nvz> dpkg, yinzersmite yourself
1079[10:33:51] * dpkg pahds yourself fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer.
1112[10:41:33] <Lady_Aleena> Why do I have a bad feeling that I may have to nuke my system and reinstall Buster? My volume keys worked up until I turned off pulseaudio to test something, and now the keys don't work unless I am in a program like VLC to turn down the volume.
1132[10:48:00] <Lady_Aleena> Is it possible to open a program too early after reboot where some things don't work with it?
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1134[10:48:04] <ratrace> Lady_Aleena: I do this for i3-wm but I think you can do it with .Xsessionrc for any DE, bind multimedia volume keys to amixer or even pavucontrol
1139[10:53:20] <Lady_Aleena> ratrace, I think I opened VLC too early after rebooting my computer and getting into XFCE. The volume control keys may not have loaded in the background. I closed and reopened VLC, and the keys now work.
1142[10:53:38] <SASDOE> hey all, since I've upgrade to 5.2.0 I have lost wireless. I have a realtek r8822be whose driver was merged into the new rtw88 and rtwpci. lshw shows the network as unmanaged and lspci shows it's using rtwpci (but not rtw88). I'm at a loss as to what step to take next
1143[10:54:00] <Lady_Aleena> I need my DEs to now allow me to open things until everything is fully loaded in the background.
1144[10:54:08] <Lady_Aleena> s/now/not/;
1145[10:54:14] <Starhowl> thanasisk, Unit sshd.service could not be found.
1146[10:54:24] * nvz thinks is possible for people to ignore him
1147[10:54:28] <ratrace> Lady_Aleena: not sure I understand your use case there
1148[10:54:45] <ratrace> Starhowl: ssh.service
1149[10:54:48] * nvz already explained that DE control of hotkeys is so high level it is suceptible to focus stealing
1150[10:54:51] <SASDOE> Lady_Aleena: how are your keys configured? if they are simply sneding keyboard events there is not reason it shouldnt work
1159[10:57:03] <nvz> they were always working, everone is just not paying attention to what I've been saying :P
1160[10:57:21] <nvz> you are catching hotkeys after they've already been processed half a dozen times
1161[10:57:22] <ratrace> Starhowl: I was just correcting your usage of sshd, there's no such service, the service name is ssh. and yes, openssh-server (the package) sets it up, and that's the response to your orig question
1162[10:57:54] <nvz> this is the problem with puttin a hotkey daemon as the last in line to get a keystroke
1168[10:58:49] <ratrace> Starhowl: your last question was "How can I check if it's installed and running as a service?", and you were told service sshd status which is wrong, the service name is ssh. no d
1175[11:00:51] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: there is some learning curve but should you want universal hotkey control and maximum flexibility, triggerhappy is the solution as I recall it can handle any key events, before X ever sees them, and it can switch modes using various assigned triggers so you can remap the same triggers to different things within different contexts
1176[11:01:09] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, is triggerhappy a terminal application or gui application?
1177[11:01:19] <nvz> triggerhappy like most hotkey things is a daemon
1195[11:04:39] <nvz> as I recall another interesting thing about trigger happy is that since its lower level at where it catches input, it works even when X isn't running of course, but it also provides for catch or passthrough
1196[11:04:46] <Lady_Aleena> What does triggerhappy have that xbindkeys doesn't?
1197[11:04:50] <nvz> that is it can act on a keystroke and still pass it on iirc
1201[11:06:07] <Lady_Aleena> Maybe that is why I can't find the pulseaudio-equalizer since I installed it a little bit ago. The app name may be different, and I can't find it.
1207[11:07:32] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, I think thd has a problem. I use it at the command line and am told command not found, even though I was able to read man thd.
1209[11:07:52] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: idk much at all about xbindkeys but thd catches input from the kernel input and can act on any input device or combination thereof, anywhere in the system.. tty1, wherever, assign multiple things to same inputs based on modes/contexts and afaik it can also optionally pass on the event while triggering on it
1210[11:07:57] <Lady_Aleena> OH I have to be ROOT to use the damned thing?
1224[11:10:45] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: you may be lacking some admin-fu but you seem to be a user who appreciates control or at least configurability.. thd is more flexible than the flimsy stuff at the X level
1225[11:11:20] <nvz> I think it may be worth looking into if you want more control over inputs as it runs at a lower level and is more flexible
1226[11:11:50] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, I don't know. I'm having a bad few days with my system in general.
1227[11:12:04] <Lady_Aleena> s/system/system and some software/;
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1229[11:12:40] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: you're seemingly transitioning a lot.. moving to a new release, becoming more of an admin.. you're diving deeper into the system now
1230[11:13:08] * ratrace pops open a bottle of champagne!
1234[11:15:07] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, there are times where I just wish I had someone who lived nearby to come over and help me sometimes. There is just so much that I may be doing wrong or have the wrong think for, that I am timid to do anything too deep.
1242[11:21:08] <Lady_Aleena> Another sound problem I am having is that I can't get my sound to go BELOW 20% (alsamixer won't go below 22%). I don't know why I can't get a lower volume.
1259[11:26:20] <nvz> EmleyMoor: I am very pleased with the one in my T440, it does very well on battery consumption, and it supports 2.4 and 5ghz, but has non-free firmware
1268[11:29:24] <nvz> there are examples in the thd manpage for amixer commands
1269[11:30:23] <nvz> EmleyMoor: no clue.. even with the pciid no one can say for certain really unless they've used it.. I have two wifi USB dongles here and a pcie in my T440 which all work nicely..
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1273[11:32:21] <nvz> I could swear when I just switched sessions in lightdm I saw messages on the console window about something being "Dazed and confused" heh
1282[11:33:13] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, the problem of not being able to go below 22 on alsamixer has NOTHING to do with the keyboard commands.
1283[11:33:52] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: yes I would think it may be something hardware/driver related but to confirm you'd have to try manually setting the value with something like amixer
1284[11:34:10] <SASDOE> EmleyMoor: Don't get anything realtek. I'm in a battle with it right now. they updated their driver but it's nuked my wireless
1293[11:39:19] <EmleyMoor> I'd need a mini card adapter for that
1294[11:39:20] <Lady_Aleena> What is pactl?
1295[11:39:30] <ratrace> pulse audio command line ctl thingy
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1297[11:40:31] <centrix> Using top to check my CPU(s) utilization I sometimes get 120%. I suppose it means 1CPU + 20% of the other at a certain time. Correct?
1298[11:40:36] <Lady_Aleena> And man docs need to be written on a non-technical level as if the person reading knows absolutely NOTHING.
1307[11:43:59] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: yes there is a difference between alsa and pulse utils.. alsa is interfacing with the hardware.. pulse mixing isn't touching the hw necessarily..
1313[11:44:41] <ratrace> centrix: cpu% is bad metric for that. you need average load. if that number (which is number of queued processes/threads) is consistently larger than your cpu/core count, you need more of them
1320[11:46:12] <jim> hi... I'm looking how to find support for the rtl thing at pciid [10ec:b822] , judd says it doesn't know which kernel module
1321[11:46:14] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: are you using the soundblaster audigy?
1322[11:46:23] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, yes.
1323[11:46:31] <nvz> ,pciid 10ec:b822
1324[11:46:32] <judd> [10ec:b822] is 'RTL8822BE 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WiFi adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also replaced-url
1325[11:46:32] <Lady_Aleena> I can't afford a new sound card.
1326[11:46:59] <centrix> ratrace, It looks like that sar's idlecolumn value minus sum(all of the sane columns) could do so
1327[11:47:00] <ratrace> centrix: cpu of 100% doesn't tell anything about how many processes are actually running
1328[11:47:01] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: well what I mean is you have onboard sound too.. and the audigy, like the onboard has different devices on top of it
1332[11:47:26] <Greyztar> hello,trying to vnc to my debian box which runs tigervnc server,after login prompt i only get a black screen,no errors in the log either, any tip on where i could start look? heres my xstartup file replaced-url
1346[11:49:00] <humpled> mine goes down to zero but it's not completely quiet there, alsa only
1347[11:49:07] <jim> it could be on the mobo connected by pci
1348[11:49:12] <centrix> ratrace, why? No matter of number of process, 100% of CPU utilization will NOT provide anything extra and the processes either wait or work.
1349[11:49:15] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: well when I last had a fancy sblive it had the pci card without outputs on the back, front outputs via cables to the card, and then you could have the live drive which fit into a 5.25" bay and had a buncha extra crap..
1350[11:49:21] <ratrace> centrix: "I want to find a boundary where I could say that I need to add CPUs." -- yeah, you're not gonna do that with cpu%. you need average load.
1351[11:49:36] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: onboard sound often have analog and digital say over hdmi/dp. they are multiple devices on a single card
1352[11:49:48] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: you have to be sure when using cli tools you are controlling the right card and device
1353[11:50:11] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, which is why using cli tools is always scary.
1354[11:50:19] <jim> nvz, I'm trying to find out now
1355[11:50:19] <nvz> jim: what is the computer?
1356[11:50:35] <ratrace> centrix: also, cpu% itself is some weird heuristic, not nearly what most people think when they think "cpu utilization"
1357[11:51:04] <nvz> jim: ah ok, I was just wondering cause someone else just asked about a wifi card and I showed the one I have which has non-free firmware but is a good low power wifi/bluetooth combo that works well in Debian and its under $10 on newegg
1359[11:51:13] <Lady_Aleena> nvz, why don't you concentrate on helping jim. I can wait.
1360[11:51:25] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: I can also multitask :P
1361[11:51:25] <centrix> ratrace, yes, but I am not performing an exact math. Just an a\overall where some reserve may come on scene. Let's say I could sar -u -s <from> -e <to> } awk ... and compute the average
1362[11:51:34] <jim> I'm paused right now
1363[11:51:39] <ratrace> centrix: no that's just abusing statistics
1366[11:52:09] <nvz> Lady_Aleena: I am just saying that if you wanna get to the bottom of it, you gotta try either directly telling the card/device you want, hey, set Master to 5, and see what it does.. or just ignore it altogether and use higher level mixing
1374[11:53:41] <centrix> ratrace, I have several "cat /dev/zero > /dev/null" processes running. Top shows CPU utilization perl process (also per cpu) while sar shows 0% idle. Could I rely on sar. For starters?
1375[11:54:03] <centrix> I got 2 cpus now.
1376[11:54:19] <ratrace> centrix: for what exactly. like I said 120% does NOT mean one full core plus 20% of another
1421[12:03:25] <nvz> EmleyMoor: another caveat of USB is not only shared bandwidth and max speen, but its also often susceptable to lowering by devices on the bus in that if you have a 3.1 hub and you plug a 2.0 device in, the whole hub slows down to that speed
1422[12:03:59] <EmleyMoor> nvz: The machine in question lacks USB3 altogether
1423[12:04:01] <centrix> ratrace, I could also use stress
1424[12:04:16] <nvz> EmleyMoor: thats not a directly answerable question unless you mean max possible.. the actual speeds depend on a number of issues, the hub, whats on it, the cpu, etc.
1425[12:04:33] <EmleyMoor> Yes, I mean max possible
1426[12:05:18] <nvz> EmleyMoor: max speed of USB2 is like 60MBps
1427[12:05:39] <nvz> EmleyMoor: thats the entire bus speed..
1430[12:05:58] <EmleyMoor> Like 60? So why are "like 600" adapters being advertised far and wide
1431[12:06:00] <EmleyMoor> ?
1432[12:06:04] <ratrace> centrix: also, what you seek is not unambiguously a single number. average cpu% or in fact even average load are meaningless without sampling periods and a stdev across them
1434[12:06:22] <nvz> EmleyMoor: idk.. USB3 is slightly more than 10x that speed
1435[12:06:40] <nvz> EmleyMoor: to achieve 600MBps you'd have to be on USB3
1436[12:06:54] <nvz> with nothing else on the bus, no iowait in the cpu, etc..
1437[12:07:11] <EmleyMoor> I don't really want USB - I want PCI/Express... but am having trouble finding any "one part" solutions
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1439[12:07:34] <ratrace> centrix: or for example, if you had 50% cpu% average for a certain period, it could mean that half of that period cpu% was 0, and half of it was 100%. or that for the entire time it was 50%. the former _might_ require more cpus, the latter definitely doesn't.
1446[12:08:54] <ratrace> centrix: but if you had a number that said you had average load of 6 for that time period, on a 4 core system, that means (assuming no iowait) you need two more cores for that same load if you want no overhead on context switching. more or less.
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1448[12:10:06] <nvz> EmleyMoor: ah, ok.. well thats different. I'm not a big fan of wifi on the desktop.. but if I were to do it I'd seek something with a antenna on a cord personally
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1450[12:10:46] <nvz> EmleyMoor: when you speak of practical terms, practically 12MBps is often a limit for most things you're connecting TO with wifi
1471[12:23:04] <centrix> ratrace, Good I'll take that in a count. Generally said if the average is at 75% and there is now iowait the system provides a reserve. 85% with no iowait may indicate that there is a potential necessity to obtain more CPUs. 10% in iowait may indicate that there it is wise to obtain more CPUs.
1474[12:24:25] <ratrace> centrix: again, no. average of 85% does not say if ONE cpu was tasked with one process that, over time, took 85% of it, OR that four cpus has four processes doing less work over that same time, but cumulatively coming up to 85%
1475[12:25:09] <centrix> ncpu must be taken in account
1476[12:25:11] <ratrace> centrix: which means your threshold shouod be 100% but, again, that doesn't mean whether one process was at 100% or ten processe would be at 1000% but 100% is really max so you don't have the info
1477[12:25:45] <ratrace> centrix: same thing, just the maximum then ain't 100% but 100*cpu. it still means the same. 200% does not mean 2 cpus were working. it could mean 4 cpus were working at 50%
1479[12:27:09] <centrix> 100% of 1 cpu at the system of 4 cpus does not say that the REAL average load is 25%.
1480[12:27:16] <ratrace> centrix: so in some way you could say that if you had (100*ncpu)% average, then yeah you might need more cores, but how many? average load would tell you.
1481[12:27:33] <ratrace> centrix: yeah precisely. 100% is vague number
1488[12:28:49] <ratrace> centrix: it would again mean nothing :) only 100% average over certain period would mean you probably needed more cpus, but not how many more.
1489[12:29:39] <ratrace> look... we're going in circles. you're hellbent on using cpu%, go ahead. I'm telling you it's wrong, you should look at several numbers. average load, iowat%, and then inspect most running processes for what kind of load they're contributing to that avg (because it includes iowait). that's all. gotta go back to work.
1491[12:30:17] <centrix> ratrace, "No how many more" Well, yes. We must be ready to add, say four. And have enough finance before asking for this "computing" adventure.
1492[12:30:58] <ratrace> centrix: but average load would tell you EXACTLY how many more
1493[12:31:08] <centrix> ratrace, Not in circles. I have moved.
1494[12:31:20] <ratrace> if you persistently have load 6 on a 4 core cpu, and inspecting shows that mostly being cpu and not iowat, you need...... 2 more :)
1495[12:32:00] <ratrace> and if you had 70 more, mostly being apache, it'd mean you need to change your mpm, NOT add more cpus ;)
1496[12:32:12] <centrix> Good. I am recording our conversation to consult for my task.
1497[12:32:39] <beavis> 8
1498[12:32:40] <beavis> 7
1499[12:32:43] <beavis> 8
1500[12:32:44] <beavis> 9
1501[12:32:46] <beavis> &
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1503[12:33:00] <centrix> ratrace, No. The server is dedicated for R processes.
1504[12:33:09] <ratrace> R language?
1505[12:33:12] <centrix> Yes
1506[12:33:14] <ratrace> mkay
1507[12:33:56] <ratrace> I don't know R, but I just gave an example where cpu% or even loadavg is meaningless when you consider what is producing that load. Badly configured <process that could be tweaked to perform the same, with less resource consumption>
1515[12:36:00] <centrix> ratrace, Yes. We have a test machine. In case of a suspicious process (high RAM or CPU consumption) we consult with the author to confirm this behavior.
1747[15:00:22] <greycat> Does it include comments that say "Hi, I'm NetworkManager, don't edit this, because I'll just brush aside your changes"?
1748[15:00:22] <jezebel> do you have resolvconf installed? networkmanager also potentially updates /etc/resolv.conf
1749[15:00:38] <greycat> !resolv.conf
1750[15:00:38] <dpkg> /etc/resolv.conf is a resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It is written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>.
1763[15:06:26] <velix> Interesting. I've just setup Debian on /dev/sdb on VMware vSphere. It doesn't find Grub on /dev/sda and complains. I've not installed Grub to /dev/sda and it boots /dev/sdb... Seems like VMware is stupid.
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1824[15:27:13] <vampirefrog> hi y'all, I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to use some sort of hardware key to access an encrypted partition
1825[15:27:38] <vampirefrog> I'm aiming to get a laptop with some sort of hardware inside it that would allow me to lock an encrypted partition to that laptop
1826[15:27:39] <velix> ayekat: Actually, I want to remove /dev/sda from grub, since /dev/sdb is my default :/
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1828[15:28:29] <vampirefrog> and my question is, can I do that with debian? what should I be looking for as far as hardware, I just don't want my data to be readable if someone steals my laptop
1834[15:31:30] <velix> ayekat: I've set up Debian on VMware vSphere. Since the admin has set the SSD to /dev/sdb, I had to install it here. VMware didn't look for GRUB on /dev/sdb and complained, since it hasn't been on /dev/sda. So I had to install Debian on /dev/sda, too (since the installer doesn't allow to setup the bootloader without a base system). Since VMware finds GRUB on /dev/sda now (which also contains the information about /dev/sdb), my default is /sda now. ARGH ;)
1835[15:32:23] <vampirefrog> you can do grub-install /dev/sda from debian or chroot
1837[15:33:21] <velix> vampirefrog: Yeah, but I want to have /sdb(1) to be the default.
1838[15:33:45] <ayekat> velix: you can have GRUB on sda boot the system that's on sdb
1839[15:33:46] <vampirefrog> default what
1840[15:34:00] <vampirefrog> yes, grub-install just installs the first sector bootloader
1841[15:34:34] <velix> okay, let me work on it again
1842[15:34:34] <vampirefrog> so if vmware tries to boot from sda, it finds the grub bootloader, and the bootloader looks at sdb for its grub config and should display the menu from that config
1843[15:34:49] <vampirefrog> you can try wiping sda and just grub-install /dev/sda
1919[16:05:58] <bolt_> Some embedded boxes (custom built) I'm working on fail to reboot about 19/20 times after an upgrade to Buster. They get stuck after shutdown on "Synchronizing SCSI cache". I've tried using hdparm to disable the write cache (-W0), I've done all the usual acpi=off, acpi=force, reboot=bios,force,pci,whatever, and it still just stays there. What's up? Here's a screenshot: replaced-url
1920[16:06:18] <aypea[3]> since upgrading to buster, my $HOME/.mailcap has stopped being taken into account. does anyone know how to fix this?
1921[16:06:20] <bolt_> Rebooting worked just fine when running on stretch
1923[16:08:00] <bolt_> When they freeze up, the cursor stops blinking and even ctrl+alt+del doesn't work. In fact, ctrl+alt+del will cause the system to lock up if used shortly after grub as well. Under stretch, it'd reboot. Now it just hangs.
1936[16:14:34] <vsayikiran> Hi I have installed debian buster on 128gb kingston pendrive. I am unable to edit wifi interface settings using network connection GUI app. Does anyone has idea what needs to be done?
1961[16:22:42] <bolt_> karlpinc: yes, if need be. I don't use it much tbh. I'll try the clean Buster install first, and if that helps I'll analyze the difference
2022[17:01:19] <jpcooper> Hello. I am running Debian Stable on a Lenovo T460 laptop. Sometimes my screen is irrecoverably blank when I try to resume from suspend. I have looked this up on Google and have found many possible solutions, some suggesting setting intel_iommu=false in grub. I'd rather not apply random changes without fully understanding what they do. A lot of these suggestions are quite old. Has anyone here managed to solve this problem recently?
2057[17:15:14] <vampirefrog> and I use at0m's solution
2058[17:15:21] <vampirefrog> which is not really a solution
2059[17:16:23] <dvs> Did you try pressing the Shift key? That's what does it for me.
2060[17:16:26] <velix> Is there a way to remove /usr/bin/parallel from being tracked by dpkg ?
2061[17:17:00] <nvz> velix: to what end?
2062[17:17:43] <velix> nvz: I want to install GNU parallel from the community builds, which don't rename moreutil's parallel to /usr/bin/parallel.moreutils, so I need to do it manually.
2063[17:17:58] <vsayikiran> Hi does anyone how to enable network connections GUI app. Although network manager is able to discover wifi networks, but I am unable to edit connection information
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2072[17:20:28] <nvz> velix: well the two debian tools I know of and have used are equivs and alternatives.. equivs wont help if you still want moreutils
2074[17:21:02] <nvz> velix: however alternatives will work.. you just have to install your 3rd party package elsewhere like /opt/ or /usr/local/ and add it to alternatives
2075[17:21:04] <jmcnaught> velix: why not install it to /usr/local/bin?
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2133[17:31:50] <hdt551> Well, I'm sure not using the DVD would "fix" the problem.
2134[17:32:09] <cluelessperson> hdt551 to "fix" it, you can alter the sources quite easily
2135[17:32:26] <dvs> hdt551, like described above ^^^
2136[17:32:39] <cluelessperson> by editting the text files under `/etc/apt/sources.list`
2137[17:33:08] <greycat> I believe the intent of putting a cdrom:// source in the file is that you will leave the DVD or CD in the drive whenever you run apt-get, and you're relying on it to save as much bandwidth as possible.
2140[17:33:30] <greycat> Because you're on dial-up, etc.
2141[17:33:31] <hdt551> Yes, I know I can fix it, it seems like a rather long running problem, to have it error as soon as you try to update after an install...
2247[17:38:44] <nvz> velix: I'd like to have a more elegant solution for other things but for this specific situation, you have the package installed already through debian, and the only significant parts are in /usr/bin/ so you could just dpkg -x the package and copy the contents of its /usr/bin/ to /usr/local/bin manually and then just use alternatives
2254[17:39:05] <jmcnaught> velix: if you install it to /usr/local/bin/parallel then why do you need to use update-alternatives? /usr/local/bin should be in your PATH before /usr/bin…
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2267[17:41:09] <nvz> velix: however either this solution or diverting the moreutils and manually dropping in this one.. either is just as rube and has the same issues
2276[17:42:16] <nvz> but dpkg-divert I believe can just divert specific parts of the package
2277[17:42:16] <velix> That's my current solution up to now: replaced-url
2278[17:42:57] <greycat> every once in a while, someone has a question about GNU parallel which requires me to install it and test some crap with it, and every time, that incredibly pompous diatribe about how I need to "cite" them in my "scholarly work" or pay them 10k euros/dollars leads me to uninstall it as quickly as possible
2296[17:48:02] <james1138> Hello from Indiana/USA. General question about Linux and mail clients. Besides Evolution, Claws Mail and Thunderbird - are there any other email clients that have calendar and RSS feed support??
2304[17:50:42] <toruvinn> james1138, a bit funny perhaps, but good old opera with m2 had all this. and i loved it. apparently vivaldi is working on a mail client, so they may have it in the future. im not sure about operium (i.e. the new chrompera).
2308[17:52:40] <james1138> Thanks for the tip toruvinn. I am using Vivaldi now. As for email - I am using Evolution with RSS plugin. The only issue I am having is that when I hit "send & receive" to update email folders and RSS it crashes.
2314[17:53:38] <toruvinn> ehh, i have pretty not-the-best experiences with evolution, sadly. mainly that even if you enable downloading all the imap mail for "offline mode", unless you actually go offline it will always reload from the server. which can be slow if you live on the other end of the globe.
2315[17:54:09] <james1138> I rather not have to install a separate RSS if the browser or email client will do the job.
2316[17:54:19] <velix> nvz: Have to catch my train. Will return in 2 hours
2334[18:01:55] <mrquincy> I'm having some issues with Debian ignoring my interpreter request in the shebang line of scripts executed from a ZSH terminal.
2335[18:02:13] <mrquincy> #!/bin/bash is ignored, and my stuff runs in zsh anyway
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2337[18:02:29] <greycat> you might have a typo in the shebang, or the script might have carriage returns
2338[18:02:58] <greycat> or you might be typing "source yourscript" or ". yourscript"
2340[18:03:35] <greycat> wouldn't hurt to make sure the script has execute permissions, too. I have no idea how zsh behaves if you try to execute a script without +x perms.
2454[18:39:24] <sleepingforest> ill look, my end goal is to see what all came from where and who needs what so i can rm packages without breaking shit. could be easier to do a fresh install tho
2459[18:40:05] <sleepingforest> SerajewelKS: im unaware of those
2460[18:40:28] <SerajewelKS> sleepingforest: look through the list of manually-installed packages and mark whatever you don't need as auto. then you can run "apt-get autoremove" and any package marked auto that isn't depended on by something marked manual gets tossed.
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2467[18:41:10] <SerajewelKS> sleepingforest: any package that you don't need in that list you can "apt-mark auto $pkg1 $pkg2 ..."
2468[18:41:19] <SerajewelKS> when you're done, run "apt-get autoremove"
2469[18:41:58] <sleepingforest> well, this doesnt seem safe since apt-mark showmanual shows things like systemd, which i didnt manually install. unless im misinterpreting whats manual here
2470[18:42:06] <nvz> sleepingforest: I just decrufted my system recently removed over 700 packages, freed up well over 2GB space.. did it all in synaptic
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2488[18:44:56] <SerajewelKS> so the packages you have installed will also be marked manual. any of their dependencies will probably be marked auto.
2489[18:45:00] <nvz> sleepingforest: I went through the status local/obsolete first, then through the manual (packages that were actually specified to be installed.. removed anything I didnt use in months from those, then went into autoremovable and got rid of those after marking from the other two categories
2492[18:45:12] <SerajewelKS> "apt-get autoremove" just removes all auto packages that are no longer depended on by anything else
2493[18:45:46] <SerajewelKS> so "apt-mark showmanual" is the place to start. obviously don't mark anything auto that you know the system needs. ignore systemd for example.
2494[18:45:54] <zumba_addict> i wanted to use inotifywait to watch a file. I do see inotify
2495[18:45:56] <nvz> sleepingforest: found it easier to do it in synaptic cause I could more easily browse the list, going between status categories and see the info on the packages easily as I looked through them
2496[18:46:07] <SerajewelKS> sleepingforest: /var/log/dpkg.log* may also be helpful if you're trying to figure out what you've installed since install
2497[18:46:16] <greycat> zumba_addict: judd just told us, in response to my query
2498[18:46:20] <SerajewelKS> nvz: i use aptitude for the same thing
2499[18:46:24] <sleepingforest> nvz: thx i agree its easier
2500[18:46:36] <sleepingforest> SerajewelKS: thx for the cli way
2501[18:46:40] <zumba_addict> k
2502[18:47:00] <SerajewelKS> sleepingforest: np. running "aptitude" by itself gives you an in-between. it's a curses UI in the terminal.
2503[18:47:06] <nvz> sleepingforest: that setup I have there you gotta go to Settings > Preferences > Show package properties in main window to get that bottom pane with the extra info
2517[18:47:52] <SerajewelKS> sleepingforest: be sure to read the aptitude docs if you go that route, it's powerful but there is also a steep learning curve and it's easy to accidentally do the wrong thing when you're mashing keys
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2519[18:48:04] <nvz> but a vnc server provides an X11 server, doesn't require an actual xorg or such
2520[18:48:06] <SerajewelKS> nvz: you'll still have to run X, just with VNC as the output
2521[18:48:19] <sleepingforest> yeah i like all options
2522[18:48:23] <SerajewelKS> ?? the "X VNC servers" do use xorg.
2523[18:48:35] <sleepingforest> i have a handful of servers that dont have x
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2525[18:49:06] <nvz> ,why vnc4server xserver-xorg
2526[18:49:14] <SerajewelKS> if you want to go the route without an X server you could forward your local display over ssh and run synaptic that way, but then you still need a ton of X client and gtk/gnome libraries and crap
2527[18:49:15] <judd> No dependency chain found between packages vnc4server and xserver-xorg in buster/amd64.
2554[18:54:34] <SerajewelKS> sleepingforest: if you want in aptitude, you can also filter the view to just manual-marked packages
2555[18:56:00] <SerajewelKS> i'd give yourself a good hour to go over the aptitude docs and make sure you understand what you can do and how to do it, it's worth learning
2556[18:56:12] <sleepingforest> yeah its worth filling in gaps
2557[18:56:16] <SerajewelKS> the search feature alone is very powerful
2558[18:56:25] <sleepingforest> i never sat down and read it in its entirety
2560[18:57:06] <SerajewelKS> after a release upgrade i always open aptitude and go over the "obsolete" section to try to get rid of stuff that was removed in the new release or figure out what i want to do about it
2561[18:57:37] <SerajewelKS> it's how i learned that virtualbox was not in buster and that prompted me to start messing about with qemu-kvm (did i do good nvz?)
2579[19:03:33] <greycat> can we visualize it as "an open-air bazaar full of boxes that have the Debian logo with a crude black X drawn over it in magic marker, and Ubuntu scrawled next to that"?
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2597[19:09:59] <greycat> where did you get something that asks for taskset 3.55?
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2599[19:10:06] <greycat> tasksel*
2600[19:10:13] <alpha-carinae> the current daily sid isi
2601[19:10:15] <alpha-carinae> ISO
2602[19:10:21] <greycat> !debian-next
2603[19:10:21] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2604[19:10:23] <greycat> !bts
2605[19:10:32] <greycat> !bts
2606[19:10:32] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
2607[19:10:46] <greycat> You're using sid to test Debian and report bugs? Great, thanks, now report it.
2608[19:10:50] <alpha-carinae> Ah so that's the channel for unstable
2651[19:28:11] <greycat> enp0s31f6 has NO-CARRIER which I believe means "no cable plugged in"
2652[19:28:13] <DammitJim> yes, enx0050b6b941f3 is in my /etc/network/interfaces
2653[19:28:33] <DammitJim> and that seems to be the interface that is getting an IP when I am connected
2654[19:28:34] <greycat> enx0050b6b941f3 is configured to use DHCP
2655[19:29:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1570
2656[19:29:01] <DammitJim> ah OK... I might just need to remove that interface from network/interfaces so that connman can manage it?
2657[19:29:09] <greycat> if that's what you want, yes
2658[19:29:12] <DammitJim> hhmmmm... but not sure about DHCP.. I guess that's a question for connman, right?
2659[19:29:25] <greycat> it's being managed by DHCP right now, because it's configured to be so
2660[19:29:59] <DammitJim> ok, I'm going to remove it and see what happens... I wonder how connman is dealing with DNS since it doesn't seem to be updating it
2690[19:41:23] <martigan> Hey If I've installed a package and it wont launch, ie: signal-desktop how would I trouble shoot it? It was working before reboot, I have uninstalled it and reinstalled it and still can't get it to launch.
2704[19:46:14] <martigan> Ok so if I chmod 4755 /opt/Signal/chrome-sandbox should fix it?
2705[19:46:15] <SerajewelKS> martigan: looks like an issue with the package. consider reporting it upstream.
2706[19:46:37] <SerajewelKS> martigan: possibly. but the package should have installed the binary that way for you. verify the existing permissions on that file first.
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2708[19:47:06] <SerajewelKS> i don't know why signal needs to run anything as root though
2711[19:48:10] <SerajewelKS> martigan: i have this same package and i don't even have that file. something is fucky.
2712[19:49:30] <SerajewelKS> heh, d-i freaks out in low memory mode after locales gets installed and the console font changes. suddenly the line drawing characters don't work correctly and it spews garbage everywhere.
2713[19:49:48] <SerajewelKS> ^L cleans it up a bit but i have to keep hitting it every now and then
2716[19:50:02] <jmcnaught> I had installed Signal via flatpak, but I don't use it very often so it needed an update which I did. Now I also get the SUID sandbox error. Seems like a bug in more than just their .deb package.
2717[19:50:04] <martigan> I think it already is set correctly,
2718[19:50:19] <martigan> Or atleast it is set as 4755
2719[19:50:23] <SerajewelKS> martigan: no, 4755 includes the setuid bit which isn't set currently
2720[19:50:30] <SerajewelKS> martigan: 4755 is -rwsr-xr-x
2727[19:51:26] <martigan> ah, I read it wrong in the document I was reading, your right.
2728[19:51:29] <SerajewelKS> the only justification i can think of for running any of this as root is to keep other processes owned by the same user from snooping on its memory
2729[19:51:35] <jelly> martigan: yes, that chmod ought to fix this particular error. I've had the same issue with skypeforlinux, also an Electron-based vendor app.
2731[19:52:13] <SerajewelKS> i would be wary of proceeding further without an explanation from the signal/electron devs on why this needs root at all
2732[19:52:25] <martigan> Knowing if this is a good idea to set it like this is over my head.
2733[19:52:35] <SerajewelKS> OTOH if your user has passwordless sudo on the box then it doesn't really matter since anything on the system can get root at any time already
2734[19:52:44] <jelly> the next version of skypeforlinux just set it on its own
2735[19:52:47] <SerajewelKS> anything under your user, i mean
2738[19:53:34] <hop> martigan: you trust that piece of close source who-knows-what with your most private conversations. might as well trust it with your whole computer…
2739[19:53:45] <SerajewelKS> hop: signal is open source
2740[19:54:01] <jelly> SerajewelKS: getting root is really a minor issue when all the really important files are owned by user and in their home
2741[19:54:21] <SerajewelKS> jelly: right. root allows some other nasty things like keystroke/network monitoring, but yeah.
2742[19:54:40] <martigan> I don't know what passwordless sudo is, when I installed I didn't make a root password and was automatically added to the sudoers file. I don't have a root password I don't think.
2743[19:54:56] <jelly> SerajewelKS: you can sniff keyobard and mouse as user, if you're running X
2744[19:55:00] <SerajewelKS> it looks like this "suid sandbox" was "almost completely removed" in 2016. i have no idea why signal would suddenly _start_ using it within the last few months.
2745[19:55:02] <martigan> hop, valid point.
2746[19:55:34] <SerajewelKS> martigan: as i said, signal is open source. i guess the rest of the point about trusting it with your conversations makes sense, but not the closed-source remark.
2791[20:09:21] <martigan> Thank you all! Is this something that should be reported? And any advice on the way to do that? Ive never reported bugs in anything before.
2795[20:11:24] <lord_chris> martigan: Bugs in debian is reported at replaced-url
2796[20:11:28] <jelly> SerajewelKS: userns are disabled by default in Debian's kernel, because it's a really rather buggy feature that provides less security than implied
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2801[20:12:56] <SerajewelKS> martigan: you'd need to report it to signal as the package isn't provided by debian. i don't know how signal handles bug reports.
2802[20:13:15] <SerajewelKS> lord_chris: this isn't a bug in debian :)
2805[20:14:12] <jelly> SerajewelKS: it's an interaction between electron apps and debian specifically, who you're going to blame is really a matter of opinion
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2807[20:14:33] <SerajewelKS> jelly: i mean that their package installs this binary but doesn't make it setuid
2827[20:21:21] <greycat> hmm, man page says that basically does an "OR" with the current bits, so if the file started out 777 then it would become 4777
2828[20:21:58] <greycat> So once again, some idiot wrote a shell script that is not only broken, but creates security holes.
2851[20:35:34] <greycat> if you're talking about regular daylight saving time changes, all you need to do is ensure that your system timezone is set to the correct one, and it should be handled
2852[20:35:59] <greycat> if you mean "I'm moving to a different state/country, and I want to change my timezone", then see above
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2878[20:47:03] <jhutchins_wk1> Akuw: There is a table where the kernel can look up what the time zone is and when it changes to daylight time if it does.
2884[20:49:00] <greycat> That "table" is the set of time zone definitions that are provided in the tzdata file. And reconfiguring that with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata lets you tell libc, or anyone else who cares to look, which one you intend to use.
2885[20:49:11] <greycat> ... in the tzdata pacakge.
2886[20:49:18] <greycat> pretend I can type
2887[20:49:19] <jhutchins_wk1> greycat: Thank you for the correction.
2952[21:01:43] * greycat looks at his own date output, looks at the stuff he put in ~/.profile, looks at the LACK of said stuff in his environment in this terminal window, looks at the PRESENCE of said stuff in tty2 after a console login...
2953[21:01:59] <greycat> ... is startx stripping parts of my environment?
2955[21:03:51] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Or maybe xterm isn't reading .profile?
2956[21:04:07] <lord_chris> graycat: Are all of the env variables defined
2957[21:04:13] <lord_chris> ?
2958[21:04:28] <greycat> I did not EXPECT xterm to read it. I expected it to be inherited through the wm, through startx, from the login shell. That's why I am wondering whether startx stripped it out.
2963[21:05:50] <greycat> According to ps eww, the LOCPATH variable that I added in .profile is not present in the login shell (expected), IS present in startx, IS present in xinit, and is NOT present in fvwm.
2964[21:06:05] <lord_chris> graycat: I know sudo by default strips env variables never heard of startx doing it
2965[21:06:30] <hop> lord_chris: no d'uh. why are you telling me?
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2981[21:14:12] <greycat> lord_chris: if I do "startx xterm -- :1" from tty2, resulting in an X session which is only an xterm and no window manager, the LOCPATH variable *is* retained in that xterm. Interesting... not sure what's going on yet.
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2988[21:17:31] <greycat> if I compare the environments of xinit (1196) and fvwm (1205, direct child of 1196), the only variables removed are LOCPATH and _
2994[21:20:51] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: It would make sense that you wouldn't need LOCPATH because you already have your locale from the session that launched xinit.
2995[21:21:16] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Why they would go to the trouble of removing it is baffling.
3026[21:32:38] <SerajewelKS> you need the relevant gpg key imported as well
3027[21:32:43] <Psil0Cybin> okay thanks.
3028[21:32:43] <hop> Psil0Cybin: the signature only applies to the checksum, if that wasn't clear
3029[21:33:02] <Psil0Cybin> so i import the gpg key, i run the gpg key vs the sign file, and the ISO
3030[21:33:05] <Psil0Cybin> and thats it its verified?
3031[21:33:11] <SerajewelKS> not the iso
3032[21:33:36] <hop> Psil0Cybin: you'll also have to verify the keyring
3033[21:33:38] <SerajewelKS> just the .sign file. then you verify the checksum of the iso matches the sums file. the signature verifies the integrity of the sums file.
3037[21:34:49] <Psil0Cybin> So I do not forget exactly what you guys are saying?
3038[21:35:33] <hop> Psil0Cybin: that's pretty much what the page says that you linked to
3039[21:35:57] <hop> really, the first sentence says it
3040[21:35:59] <hop> "Official releases of Debian CDs come with signed checksum files; "
3041[21:36:12] <Psil0Cybin> okay
3042[21:36:18] <greycat> The SHA-256 value is in a file on the web site. You can run the sha256sum command against your .iso image file, get the SHA-256 value, and compare against the one on the web. The GPG stuff is an additional layer AFTER that, which is to try to reassure you that the value on the web site isn't modified.
3043[21:36:19] <Psil0Cybin> i just wanted i guess the commands listed
3044[21:36:24] <Psil0Cybin> but yea ill figure it out
3045[21:36:34] <SerajewelKS> or you can use sha256sum -c so you're not comparing hashes by hand
3052[21:39:17] <Psil0Cybin> the CD-1.iso just confused me the naming convension
3053[21:39:44] <greycat> OK, here's another data point: urxvt (my normal preferred terminal) is setgid utmp, and when I run urxvt, LOCPATH gets stripped, presumably by ld.so or whatever strips LD_LIBRARY_PATH, despite this not being documented in the man page. xterm is NOT setgid, and running an xterm doesn't strip it. However, this still doesn't explain why my WM is missing the var.
3054[21:40:33] <ratrace> greycat: which var which wm?
3066[21:42:07] <ratrace> greycat: tried adding it to ~/.Xsessionrc?
3067[21:42:12] <brutser> grub is complaining about not finding volume group vg_root, but i did create that, the menu entry in grub i have is: set root=(lvm/vg_root-root) and then linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/vg_root-root rw cryptdevice=/dev/sda:vg_root quiet
3068[21:42:17] <brutser> when i do ls from the grub rescue, i see: (lvm/vg_root-root) (lvm/vg_root-swap)
3069[21:42:38] <brutser> maybe something wrong in the grub.cfg in that line or what?
3075[21:44:32] <greycat> ratrace: this just keeps getting WEIRDER. Now I ran "startx fvwm -- :1" from tty2, launched an xterm, and that xterm has the LOCPATH variable. And yet, an xterm launched from fvwm in my CURRENT (tty1) X session is missing that variable.
3076[21:44:35] <Psil0Cybin> guys soryr last question i see (i see debian-10.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso on the download page ) do i need to somehow find i see debian-10.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-2.iso ?
3077[21:44:46] <Psil0Cybin> or is that the only .iso file that i would need for a xfce4 install?
3078[21:44:47] <frogwine> Hello all, i installed recently Debian 10 with KDE. Probably the hibernation enabled by default, i tried to instructions on Debian Wiki and also i edited the file resume.conf as RESUME=none under /etc/initramfs-tools, but it keeps hibernating anyway. Could you help me?
3083[21:45:19] <ratrace> greycat: that's why I suggested you try defining it in ~/.xsessionrc
3084[21:45:31] <frogwine> I run update-initramfs and update-grub by the way.
3085[21:47:02] <Psil0Cybin> mv, i think i answered my own question "nitially, you will only need to download and use the first image of a set (labelled as debian-something-1 to be able to start the Debian installer and set up Debian on your computer. If there are more images available here (labelled debian-something-2, debian-something-3, etc.), they contain the extra packages that can be installed on a Debian system (as mentioned previously).
3086[21:47:02] <Psil0Cybin> They will not be bootable and are entirely optiona"
3104[21:53:51] <GenTooMan> Greets what is the most straight forward way to backup and restore my X configuration if a driver install breaks things? I would like to archive config files for example then restore them. I am using Debian buster/10
3105[21:54:00] <oblivian> conman is a serial console manager thing?
3134[22:00:50] <greycat> The LOCPATH variable is present in the initial environment of fvwm on :1 as verified by ps and also by launching xterms and running date in them.
3137[22:01:29] <greycat> The difference is on :0 I used "startx" with no arguments, and on :1 I used "startx fvwm -- :1" which bypasses the Debian X session stuff, my .xsession file, etc.
3138[22:01:44] <brutser> grub is complaining about not finding volume group vg_root, but i did create that, the menu entry in grub i have is: set root=(lvm/vg_root-root) and then linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/vg_root-root rw cryptdevice=/dev/sda:vg_root quiet
3139[22:01:47] <brutser> when i do ls from the grub rescue, i see: (lvm/vg_root-root) (lvm/vg_root-swap)
3194[22:29:03] <jhutchins_wk> brutser: I've never done LVM on a root volume, shouldn't it be the hard device instead of the lv? Like /dev/sda?
3195[22:29:18] <jhutchins_wk> brutser: You don't usually install grub to the filesystem.
3196[22:29:19] <greycat> Why do you believe that your tzdata package is out of date and needs to be upgraded? In any case, if that is true, it would be "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get install tzdata". But there is NOTHING you have said so far that points out a need to do that.
3198[22:29:49] <greycat> You ran the date commands and they showed that your local clock will change automatically in 3 days.
3199[22:30:45] <greycat> You could run more and pinpoint precisely when the clock will change, but I leave that to you.
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3201[22:30:51] <Akuw> i mean, apt-get update doesnt take any argument
3202[22:30:56] <Akuw> right?
3203[22:30:56] <greycat> Correct.
3204[22:31:41] <Greyztar> hello, when a command fails usually get exit code 1 and if success its 0 ,but then if say i do a ping and 2 packets fail while 3 packets succeed would that still be 1 or a 3 or something since some of the ping were ok? I had some page bookmarked with those codes but cant find it anymore though if any links would be nice =)
3215[22:33:16] <Greyztar> jhutchins_wk: thanks for answer,ill dig in the man pages abit see what i can come up with :)
3216[22:33:18] <jhutchins_wk> Greyztar: I can't think of an intermediate result for ping though. Either it did or it didn't. Packet loss? Different question.
3226[22:35:26] <jmaher> i have two keyboards, usb and bluetooth - the wired one doesn't beep, the bluetooth connection keeps on resetting and then it beeps - how do i stop this?
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3229[22:37:07] <jhutchins_wk> jmaher: Consult the manufacturer's instructions and support.
3248[22:45:58] <jmaher> jhutchins_wk: urxvt +vb is meant to turn off the bell - this works for the usb keyboard, so it never beeps, but the bt one starts beeping on reconnect
3329[23:31:32] <brutser> grub is complaining about not finding volume group vg_root, but i did create that, the menu entry in grub i have is: set root=(lvm/vg_root-root) and then linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/vg_root-root rw cryptdevice=/dev/sda:vg_root quiet
3330[23:31:33] <annadane> and LTS is only certain packages
3331[23:31:35] <brutser> anyone can say me what's wrong?
3332[23:31:39] <annadane> unless you really really need to use 8, upgrade
3333[23:31:47] <annadane> but if you want debian 10, you have to go through 9 first
3334[23:32:09] <SerajewelKS> brutser: did you just create the VG?
3335[23:32:32] <brutser> SerajewelKS: when installing i named -> pv: luks_root vg: vg_root lv: vg_root-root and vg_root-swap
3346[23:34:09] <SerajewelKS> someone else might know. i use lvm on md-raid on luks and don't have issues but all the metadata for all layers is in the volume
3347[23:34:09] <brutser> it's about lvm really and grub.cfg not correctly configured
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3355[23:36:51] <SerajewelKS> basically security stuff will likely get fixed as well as serious bugs that break the system
3356[23:37:20] <SerajewelKS> so if you're not having problems you will probably be okay but you must upgrade before 2020-06-30 because at that date there will be no updates, period
3357[23:37:29] <SerajewelKS> so you should plan to upgrade soon
3358[23:37:48] <SerajewelKS> but it's not like your system will fall apart in a week if you don't upgrade
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3361[23:38:02] <SerajewelKS> just make sure that the upgrade is on your radar for the near future
3371[23:44:11] <HotBeefDip> is there a way to know what updates will definitely be in 10.1? I found this but I don't think these are necessarily scheduled for a particular release... replaced-url