• 0[00:00:00] <jelly> phogg, not sure if you're trying to be funny!
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• 3[00:00:59] <warsoul> jelly im trying sudo on a normal user
• 4[00:01:12] <warsoul> sudo command not found
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• 6[00:01:56] <jelly> warsoul, you probably need to install it, then
• 7[00:02:15] <warsoul> how?
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• 9[00:02:22] <jelly> use "su -" to open a root shell (using root's password)
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• 12[00:02:43] <jelly> then install the sudo package the usual way. apt-get install sudo
• 13[00:03:14] <warsoul> done
• 14[00:03:19] <warsoul> how do i change back to the normal user?
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• 16[00:03:24] <jelly> exit
• 17[00:03:30] <dvs> !exit
• 18[00:03:30] <dpkg> /quit you fool!
• 19[00:03:45] <jelly> su - does not change, it opens a new shell
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• 22[00:04:06] <jelly> the other patiently waits underneath
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• 26[00:04:38] <jelly> warsoul, if you want to be able to do "sudo anything" to run anything as root, you'll have to add that user to group sudo.
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• 29[00:04:55] <warsoul> jelly how do i add it
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• 32[00:05:10] <jelly> warsoul, "usermod -a -G sudo usernamehere" or, on Debian this works as well "adduser usernamehere sudo"
• 33[00:05:24] <jelly> you need to do that as root
• 34[00:05:40] <jelly> and then you need to log out as the normal user completely and log back in
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• 110[00:20:11] <warsoul> replaced-url
• 111[00:20:15] <warsoul> after make install
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• 116[00:25:00] <jelly> warsoul, why are you building your own znc, what's wrong with the package from distro?
• 117[00:25:06] <jelly> ,v znc
• 118[00:25:07] <judd> Package: znc on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-security: 1.4-2+deb8u2; stretch: 1.6.5-1+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.7.2-3~bpo9+1; bullseye: 1.7.2-3; buster: 1.7.2-3; sid: 1.7.4-5
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• 120[00:26:32] <phogg> upstream is at 1.7.4; maybe he needs a newer bugfix
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• 123[00:27:11] <jelly> maybe. Or maybe they did not even look
• 124[00:27:24] <jelly> or knew how/where to look
• 125[00:28:24] <phogg> this is, of course, far more likely
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• 129[00:29:24] <warsoul> jelly didnt now :s
• 130[00:29:24] <rwp> I am using znc in Stretch 9 with no problems. But znc in Jessie 8 had some TLS issues as I recall.
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• 133[00:29:58] <phogg> the 1.6.x version had some unfortunate limitations
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• 136[00:30:45] <jelly> Installed: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2 # welp
• 137[00:30:56] <jelly> don't pwn me!
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• 141[00:33:07] <jelly> warsoul, "apt-cache search keyword" is useful to search for stuff that's already available in debian
• 142[00:33:23] <karlpinc> !search
• 143[00:33:24] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
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• 150[00:41:02] <warsoul> jelly can you tell me a good bot to download?
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• 154[00:44:09] <nvz> bot for what?
• 155[00:44:53] <nvz> ,i limnoria
• 156[00:44:54] <judd> Package limnoria (net, optional) in buster/amd64: robust and user-friendly Python IRC bot. Version: 2019.02.23-1; Size: 558.4k; Installed: 4423k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 157[00:45:31] <hays> is there any script to verify my debian directory structure is correct
• 158[00:45:33] <hays> i found an issue
• 159[00:45:41] <hays> fixed the issue, but curious if there are others
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• 166[00:46:51] <hays> the problem i found was that var/run was not symlinked to /run
• 167[00:46:55] <donofrio_> and I killed my rpi4b install (desktop would come up then restarts) after I installed xfce ;(
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• 169[00:47:03] <donofrio_> reloading the sd card now
• 170[00:47:23] <warsoul> nvz limnoria is good?
• 171[00:47:53] <nvz> idk.. its got a lot of plugins
• 172[00:47:54] <hays> or is it documented anywhere what it is supposed rto be
• 173[00:48:08] <nvz> and the development community is on freenode and is quite helpful
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• 178[00:51:15] <nvz> warsoul: good is unqualified.. if I just wanted a bot for factoids like dpkg or channel maint like debhelper, than no, limnoria wouldn't really be my first choice
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• 180[00:51:43] <nvz> I recommended limnoria cause it has plugins for just about everything and the support in #limnoria is good
• 181[00:52:03] <nvz> since you don't feel the need to specify you even wanted an IRC bot much less what you wanted it FOR specifically
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• 183[00:53:35] <nvz> if you want a bot to play GTA San Andreas Multiplayer, thats probably not the bot you want
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• 230[01:29:57] <annadane> in debian, is mkfs.fat the same as fat32?
• 231[01:30:04] <annadane> because there isn't a mkfs.fat32
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• 234[01:31:10] <dvs> There's a mkfs.vfat
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• 249[01:35:59] <nvz> which is a symlink to mkfs.fat
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• 255[01:36:41] <nvz> it depends on what you specify for -F which can be 12, 16, or 32
• 256[01:38:06] <nvz> if you don't specify, it selects based on the size of the fs it's creating
• 257[01:38:14] <annadane> i basically got my answers from ##linux already but essentially i was looking for a file system that would be able to play music files on a mac
• 258[01:38:20] <annadane> i was told vfat would be ok for this
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• 261[01:38:50] <annadane> so i've simply mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 and now i just hope it works
• 262[01:38:52] <nvz> fat is a fairly widely supported FS cause its rather simple
• 263[01:39:31] <nvz> it however has its limitations.. not suitable for large files
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• 300[02:08:40] <Elodin> how would I install a wifi driver into a debian machine without network?
• 301[02:09:06] <ayew> get the debs on another machine, put them on usb?
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• 303[02:09:44] <Elodin> imma make a vm then
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• 320[02:19:14] <Elodin> how would i catch the firmware-atheros package into a usb?
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• 325[02:20:09] <nvz> !firmware images
• 326[02:20:09] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 327[02:20:39] <nvz> Elodin: if its already setup, just fetch the package manually from packages.debian.org and install it with dpkg -i
• 328[02:21:04] <Elodin> can't fetch it cuz it doesn't have a nic
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• 330[02:21:15] <Elodin> my plan was to download and then install there
• 331[02:21:26] <nvz> thats what I just said
• 332[02:21:41] <Elodin> oh i misread sorry
• 333[02:22:03] <nvz> replaced-url
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• 335[02:22:27] <nvz> I didnt think I needed to specify every neuron firing and muscle contraction :P
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• 359[02:37:33] <william> what is the best c++ ide for debian buster and what would prompt line look like to install apt-get install ???????
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• 365[02:39:24] <william> join #nativevoices
• 366[02:41:48] <annadane> !best
• 367[02:41:48] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 368[02:41:51] <annadane> william, ^
• 369[02:42:04] <annadane> that being said, i came across something called codelite which is in the debian repo
• 370[02:42:13] <annadane> apt install codelite
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• 372[02:43:36] <william> annadane thanks have you used it much?
• 373[02:43:47] <annadane> not at all
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• 380[02:44:25] <william> ok i will try it out and see what i think thanks. have a great night
• 381[02:44:26] <annadane> emacs is probably also a fine IDE for anyone but also involves putting a lot of work into learning emacs
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• 383[02:44:52] <annadane> can't really go wrong with vim either i suppose
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• 409[03:06:45] <Elodin> isn't apt-cache search the correct way of querying remote packages to be installed?
• 410[03:07:15] <Elodin> do i need to add repositories cuz i cant seem to find a variety of tools
• 411[03:09:28] <annadane> Elodin, describe the tools and we'll see?
• 412[03:09:32] <annadane> and i just use apt search
• 413[03:09:40] <Elodin> yeah i tried that too
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• 415[03:09:50] <Elodin> say stress-ng or vim or lm-sensors
• 416[03:10:12] <annadane> uhhh. those should definitely be in the repo
• 417[03:10:17] <annadane> paste your sources.list?
• 418[03:10:19] <annadane> !paste
• 419[03:10:19] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 420[03:10:25] <dvs> Elodin, or apt-cache policy
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• 422[03:11:20] <kabs> how come #linux is invite only
• 423[03:11:26] <kabs> what are they doing in there?
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• 426[03:11:47] <annadane> use ##linux
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• 429[03:14:58] <Elodin> it looks like buster/updates main on security.debian.org/debian-security is the only repo there
• 430[03:15:13] <dvs> but no main repo
• 431[03:15:29] <Elodin> it says: buster/updates main
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• 433[03:15:36] <dvs> !buster sources.list
• 434[03:15:37] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 448[03:27:14] <karlpinc> (The line with "buster-updates" is optional.)
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• 464[03:35:40] <Elodin> why doesn't lm-sensors come with sensors-detect
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• 470[03:38:23] <Elodin> whats the equivalent of modprobe on debian?
• 471[03:38:50] <annadane> uh. modprobe?
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• 473[03:39:13] <Elodin> should i have to install modprobe?
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• 476[03:41:35] <LtL> Elodin: it does, /usr/sbin/sensors-detect
• 477[03:41:50] <dvs> ???
• 478[03:41:52] <SerajewelKS> Elodin: no, modprobe is an essential utility
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• 483[03:42:08] <Elodin> maybe my path is wrong then in a brand new installation
• 484[03:42:12] <SerajewelKS> Elodin: if you used 'su' or 'sudo -s' to get a root shell, it may not be in your path. you need to use 'su -' or 'sudo -i'
• 485[03:42:19] <annadane> if you only had debian-security in your sources.list maybe your install got screwed up
• 486[03:42:25] <annadane> but, yeah, what SerajewelKS said
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• 489[03:43:24] <SerajewelKS> 'sudo bash' or 'sudo sh' would likewise not change PATH
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• 497[03:57:41] <Elodin> do debian have k10temp in any repo?
• 498[03:59:27] <dvs> Elodin, that's a kernel module
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• 500[04:01:28] <Elodin> oh man, i see now... it looks like i can't know ryzen 3000 series temperatures
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• 502[04:03:29] <dvs> Ryzen 3000? Good luck with that. That's a very new APU.
• 503[04:03:45] <Elodin> shouldn't have bought it huh
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• 506[04:04:17] <dvs> Shoulda bought something a little older like a 2000-series.
• 507[04:04:56] <Elodin> people kept saying but the price diff, but the performance improvements, but this and that
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• 510[04:06:34] <dvs> ,v kernels
• 511[04:06:35] <judd> No package named 'kernels' was found in amd64.
• 512[04:06:44] <dvs> ,kernels
• 513[04:06:45] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-rc5-686 (5.3~rc5-1~exp2); sid: 5.2.0-2-686 (5.2.9-2); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-5+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u5~deb8u1)
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• 552[04:40:35] <magic_ninja> can't join debian-next erm
• 553[04:40:52] <dvs> !debian-next
• 554[04:40:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 555[04:40:53] <magic_ninja> oh, its on another network
• 556[04:41:10] <magic_ninja> I realized that right after I typed it
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• 595[05:12:57] <ytf0rd> I need help with my AMD ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450/3470 on my thinkpad t400, can I use any opensource drivers?
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• 597[05:13:59] <ytf0rd> anyone???
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• 599[05:15:18] <ytf0rd> help
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• 611[05:28:18] <ytf0rd> asdasd
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• 745[08:10:46] <aZz7eCh> Hi #deb.. anyone had this issue before? Trying to burn CD's (just data cds), but whether i use brasero or nautalis, when it goes to burn, the drive drops out like unmounted, then comes back seocnds later, but in meantime burning fails
• 746[08:10:52] <aZz7eCh> anyone seen this behaviour before?
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• 750[08:15:36] <nvz> well that sort of thing is more common using file managers rather than actual burning software
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• 752[08:16:05] <aZz7eCh> 17 wasted discs later, 1 ask here and now nautalis has created the disc just fine... *sigh
• 753[08:16:17] <nvz> though idk what specifically you mean by "drops out" but I personally have always found k3b to be user friendly reliable software
• 754[08:16:29] <aZz7eCh> k3b, i'll check it out
• 755[08:16:56] <nvz> aZz7eCh: well, welcome to 2019, we have things called thumbdrives now.. hold WAY more than CDs.. rewritable, no special software.. 32GB for like $5 :P
• 756[08:17:08] <aZz7eCh> drop out ... ie.. i keep nautalis open, i can see the burner mounted in the left, soon as burning goes to initiate, it vanishes from nautalis down the left, then reappears, but in the meantime the dialog for burning has lost the drive and reporting failed to burn
• 757[08:17:31] * nvz shrugs..
• 758[08:17:31] <aZz7eCh> unfortunately nvz my VW has a hard time playing a USB stick in its CD drive
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• 760[08:17:40] <nvz> aZz7eCh: heh
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• 763[08:18:02] <nvz> aZz7eCh: this is where you get an adapter and a device that plays stuff from this millenium
• 764[08:18:19] <aZz7eCh> i do ... a bluetooth fm transmitter
• 765[08:18:22] <aZz7eCh> the static, drives me nuts.
• 766[08:18:33] <nvz> they got transmitters that wire right in and piggyback on the antenna connection on the back of the radio
• 767[08:18:37] <aZz7eCh> and i aint paying $800 for a VW head unit that has bluetooth
• 768[08:19:03] <nvz> I only ever had static with analog ones
• 769[08:19:18] <nvz> if its a digital transmitter and wired directly to the radio's antenna port it should work fine
• 770[08:19:42] <aZz7eCh> definitely not wired directly to the antenna lol
• 771[08:19:47] <nvz> and I'd rather go cable than bluetooth less power draw on the mobile and more reliable connection
• 772[08:19:58] <aZz7eCh> i'd have to pull my dash apart and risk having scuffs and rattles
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• 774[08:20:22] <nvz> yeah the antenna wired ones are nice cause it doesn't matter what make/model of crap you got.. the antenna connectors are fairly standard.. it just plugs into the radio's antenna port and the car's antenna plugs into it
• 775[08:20:30] <aZz7eCh> yeah i was considering doing an analog port but less and less phones have a 3.5mm nowadays
• 776[08:20:52] <nvz> yeah on a VW maybe.. heh.. volvos are one car that thought about a person wanting to get their radio out..
• 777[08:21:00] <nvz> they installed handles that pop out for that purpose
• 778[08:21:11] <aZz7eCh> and... if i went to do a 3.5, i may aswell be pluggin in a USB plug solution so i can just use flash drives
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• 780[08:22:08] <nvz> yeah well I had the same issue with my father who just went from a totaled Kia 2009ish I think that had satellite radio and USB and all that.. to an older Volvo that has nothing but tape/cd/am/fm
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• 785[08:22:53] <nvz> cds are a stop-gap but you're getting maybe 12-24 songs on a disk, they are a pita to make, damaged easily.. its worth the hassle to find the cheapest easiest way to modernize the radio to support something better
• 786[08:22:54] <aZz7eCh> i miss having the fake tape with a 3.5mm cable solution - thats what i did in my old E36
• 787[08:22:58] <aZz7eCh> ;)
• 788[08:23:11] <aZz7eCh> i gtg i'll check out k3b if i have a drama again
• 789[08:23:16] <aZz7eCh> thanks for tip
• 790[08:23:28] <nvz> yeah I got him one of those but it occassionaly makes what sounds like a wind noise.. like a dirty head or air creeping in through the weather stripping
• 791[08:24:03] <nvz> they're usually fairly reliable and under $5 simple solution
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• 808[08:39:21] <enclube> chalut
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• 811[08:42:13] <pragomer> Hi Folks. Perhaps somebody can help me with my issue: I often got password-protected pdf files from my health assurance. but none of linux' pdf viewers (none!) can open it.. I get always an error that the file cannot be opened. Under windows every pdf viewer CAN open it... any idea about this technical background/issue ?
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• 813[08:43:49] <nvz> ,i pdftk
• 814[08:43:50] <judd> Package pdftk (text, optional) in buster/amd64: transitional package for pdftk, a tool for manipulating PDF documents. Version: 2.02-5; Size: 16.0k; Installed: 27k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 815[08:44:31] <nvz> you can use that to remove the password
• 816[08:45:00] <pragomer> what if I dont want to remove it, just open the file? because of course i KNOW the password
• 817[08:45:23] <nvz> hell if I know I wouldnt use PDF or password protected pdf, I'd convert them to something else
• 818[08:46:09] <nvz> replaced-url
• 819[08:46:18] <nvz> several methods for removing the password though
• 820[08:46:31] <pragomer> ok, going to have a look at these...
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• 822[08:46:58] <pragomer> " (...) hell if I know I wouldnt use PDF or password protected pdf (...) " .... the thing is... I dont use it.. its my assurance that mails me these files ;-)
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• 825[08:47:29] <nvz> when I get a PDF I assume thats an acronym for who sent it.. Probably Dumb F***
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• 827[08:48:11] <nvz> yeah PDF had somehow became an industry standard and its annoying
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• 832[08:52:02] <pragomer> even if I try to decrypt it with qpdf, this shows me:
• 833[08:52:03] <pragomer> replaced-url
• 834[08:52:12] <pragomer> so the file isnt recognized as pdf...
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• 837[08:52:50] <nvz> idk I'd cuss out the idiot who sent me such a thing personally
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• 841[08:53:13] <nvz> my healthcare provider gives me a portal I can access online or via an app, not encrypted pdf files
• 842[08:53:28] <nvz> I can see all my messages, lab results, etc that way
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• 846[08:55:28] <pragomer> nvz: .... clear.. sounds better... but this is 1. the way I have to go... and 2. I want to clarify the technical issue ... I am a long time linux user, but this is the 1st time I have to use a windows vm just for these files (or wine with portable foxitreader)...
• 847[08:56:11] <nvz> you are just lucky to have not run into an idiot in all this time..
• 848[08:56:17] <nvz> idiots can always mess things up
• 849[08:56:34] <nvz> I find that cussing them out works best.. either they wise up or they stop dealing with you :P
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• 852[08:57:51] <pragomer> nvz: talking about me?
• 853[08:58:15] <warsoul> im trying to connect on my vps but when i type my passwrd it stays blinking
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• 856[09:01:04] <warsoul> im on debian 9
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• 874[09:08:44] <warsoul> when i log in as root is OK
• 875[09:08:57] <warsoul> but when i try to log in with a user is not going thru
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• 877[09:10:02] <klys> warsoul, can you `su user'
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• 879[09:10:26] <warsoul> no
• 880[09:10:32] <warsoul> happens the same thing
• 881[09:10:36] <klys> what's the error?
• 882[09:10:36] <warsoul> it stays blinking
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• 885[09:11:06] <klys> so, it freezes before asking for the password?
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• 887[09:12:39] <klys> this seems unusual to me, so I will assume it's something else.
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• 892[09:16:22] <warsoul> it freeze after y type the passwd
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• 900[09:18:01] <Lady_Aleena> How do I get date to return just the year? I can't seem to get the command right. date +'%y' isn't it, I guess.
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• 902[09:18:22] <zamuro> date +%Y
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• 904[09:18:52] <Lady_Aleena> zamuro, I get "date: extra operand ‘+%y’"
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• 906[09:19:10] <zamuro> Capital Y
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• 908[09:19:29] <Lady_Aleena> date: extra operand ‘+%Y’
• 909[09:20:08] <zamuro> Please paste the command.
• 910[09:20:13] <warsoul> password:
• 911[09:20:13] <warsoul> Linux box.warsoul.com 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 (2017-12-23) x86_64
• 912[09:20:13] <warsoul> The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
• 913[09:20:13] <warsoul> the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
• 914[09:20:14] <warsoul> individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
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• 917[09:20:24] <warsoul> sorry
• 918[09:20:40] <Lady_Aleena> date +%Y
• 919[09:20:42] <warsoul> when i type passwd it stays like that
• 920[09:20:48] <zamuro> !flood
• 921[09:20:48] <dpkg> It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste>
• 922[09:20:49] <warsoul> nothing else comes out
• 923[09:21:33] <zamuro> That's the right command. Weird.
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• 926[09:21:58] <Lady_Aleena> So, something has broken my date command.
• 927[09:22:29] <zamuro> Appears so. dpkg -i date
• 928[09:22:45] <Lady_Aleena> I BROKE IT!
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• 930[09:23:11] <Lady_Aleena> I don't know why I did "alias date='date +"%F %T"'" in my .bash_aliases file.
• 931[09:23:31] <warsoul> zamuro can you help me
• 932[09:23:32] <warsoul> ?
• 933[09:23:45] <zamuro> !help
• 934[09:23:51] <zamuro> !anyone
• 935[09:23:51] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 936[09:23:54] <zamuro> !ask
• 937[09:23:55] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 939[09:24:44] <zamuro> Lady_Aleena Indeed you broke it.
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• 942[09:26:46] <Lady_Aleena> Shouldn't taking that out of .bash_aliases fix after reloading it?
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• 947[09:27:39] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: a new shell will lose the alias. An existing shell would need an explicit unalias
• 948[09:27:53] <jelly> so, define "reloading it"
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• 950[09:28:03] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, trying new shell.
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• 952[09:28:25] <Lady_Aleena> New shell worked.
• 953[09:28:35] <Lady_Aleena> Reloading it: . .bash_aliases
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• 955[09:29:48] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: ah. Don't think if it as a config file, and . is not a reload That's "reading some more commands from a file an executing them in current shell"
• 956[09:31:29] <warsoul> just reboot the vps
• 957[09:31:35] <warsoul> and still is doing the same thing
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• 960[09:33:50] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, so I can add to .bash_aliases and . .bash_aliases and run any new commands I added, but it won't remove any commands I deleted until I start a new shell?
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• 967[09:35:42] <Lady_Aleena> BTW, sorry for such a basic question, but I may have misunderstood how . works on the command line for a long time now.
• 968[09:35:51] <jelly> correct
• 969[09:36:16] <ratrace> warsoul: perhaps you should open a ticket with your hosting provider, sounds like they gave you misconfigured or badly configured instance. then again colorossing isn't known for quality, so...
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• 971[09:37:39] <warsoul> just add a new user and went thru
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• 989[09:53:27] <Lady_Aleena> I am now heartbroken. I set up aliases that were supposed to save my sanity but may hinder other things that would help my sanity.
• 990[09:53:48] <oysteins> Does anyone know in which package the text for unlocking a LUKS partition is (the "Please unlock [partition]" text that appears on boot)?
• 991[09:54:26] <nvz> oysteins: probably in a cryptsetup initramfs package
• 992[09:54:42] <oysteins> nvz, thanks. :-)
• 993[09:54:51] <nvz> ,i cryptsetup-initramfs
• 994[09:54:53] <judd> Package cryptsetup-initramfs (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: disk encryption support - initramfs integration. Version: 2:2.1.0-5; Size: 67.6k; Installed: 137k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 995[09:56:53] <Haohmaru> yet another debian here in the office with locale set to the local stuff, i wanna smash something, everything is in bulgarian, grrrrrrrrrr
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• 997[09:57:09] <Haohmaru> even debian.org
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• 999[09:57:26] <Haohmaru> and i don't know the root password
• 1000[09:57:40] <nvz> Haohmaru: just when they ask you if it pisses you off, make sure you shake your head side to side :P
• 1001[09:58:12] <Haohmaru> no one asks me that
• 1002[09:58:18] <Haohmaru> coz it's quite visible
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• 1004[09:58:28] <warsoul> im logged in as root i type su username
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• 1006[09:58:41] <warsoul> is not asking for passwd stays blinking
• 1007[09:58:45] <warsoul> like it freezes
• 1008[09:58:58] <Haohmaru> uh, why not log out of root first?
• 1009[09:59:03] <Haohmaru> "exit"
• 1010[09:59:19] <warsoul> cant logged in to the username ssh
• 1011[09:59:28] <warsoul> after i type passwd is the same thing
• 1012[09:59:30] <nvz> Haohmaru: just pointing out that bulgaria is one of maybe 2 countries in the world where the nod means no instead of yes, and the shaking of the head back and forth means yes not no
• 1013[09:59:48] <jelly> warsoul: create a fresh user, set the password, try with that
• 1014[09:59:50] <Haohmaru> nvz that's not quite 100% true
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• 1016[10:00:12] <warsoul> jelly just did it and is working
• 1017[10:00:30] <nvz> Haohmaru: nonsense.. the internet says so! :P
• 1018[10:00:44] <Haohmaru> i mean, i nod vertically for yes and no
• 1019[10:00:46] <jelly> warsoul: that implies there is something in your user's own home that is preventing normal work. Perhaps a change in dot files.
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• 1021[10:00:58] <Haohmaru> or side to side
• 1022[10:01:19] <nvz> Haohmaru: yes well, you already confessed that bulgarian ways confound you :P
• 1023[10:01:29] <nvz> its no wonder
• 1024[10:01:35] <Haohmaru> if it begins downwards - it's a yes, if it goes up first - it's a no
• 1025[10:01:44] <warsoul> jelly i type this installing a bot
• 1026[10:01:48] <warsoul> echo 'PATH="$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH"' >> ~/.$(echo $SHELL|cut -d/ -f3)rc
• 1027[10:01:49] <warsoul> source ~/.$(echo $SHELL|cut -d/ -f3)rc
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• 1029[10:02:44] <jelly> warsoul: it would be a good idea to try to understand commands before running them
• 1030[10:03:03] <warsoul> i was following installation instructions
• 1031[10:03:08] <warsoul> :s
• 1032[10:03:15] <nvz> Haohmaru: if I had to pay attention to that subtle difference I'd just pretend I don't speak whatever language you do, and go talk to someone else
• 1033[10:03:22] <jelly> warsoul: that does not negate my statement
• 1034[10:03:29] <warsoul> i get it
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• 1036[10:03:40] <warsoul> what can i do now to fix the problem?
• 1037[10:03:43] <Haohmaru> nvz *shrug*
• 1038[10:04:05] <jelly> warsoul: your ~/.bashrc may be broken. Compare the contents to default (that's in /etc/skel/.bashrc)
• 1039[10:04:21] <warsoul> how can i check it?
• 1040[10:04:35] <Haohmaru> meh, what luck, i got a 2GB usb flash stick, and the debian live image is 2.2GB
• 1041[10:04:49] <jelly> warsoul: use a pager tool like "less" to view it, it's a text file
• 1042[10:04:57] <nvz> Haohmaru: sounds like poetic justice to me
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• 1044[10:05:15] <nvz> the universe telling you don't use live images or 2GB flash drives
• 1045[10:05:27] <warsoul> jelly have to log in as root?
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• 1048[10:06:09] <Haohmaru> i need a live image coz imma be doing a silly thing
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• 1052[10:06:32] <nvz> yes, you already said you were in bulgaria :P
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• 1054[10:08:01] <jelly> warsoul: probably
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• 1056[10:08:35] <Haohmaru> thing is, the rest of the world relies on head nodding, we don't, i've never noticed anything strange about head nodding of people from elsewhere
• 1057[10:08:38] <jelly> warsoul: you'll want to look at ~username/.bashrc, then
• 1058[10:08:56] <jelly> because ~ in shell typically means "this user's $HOME"
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• 1060[10:09:38] <warsoul> what do i need to change or look there?
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• 1067[10:12:07] <nvz> yea well Bulgaria is to the world what Missouri is to the US .. ass backwards, sees nobody else does things that way, but just hangs in there with their ways.
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• 1073[10:14:36] <Haohmaru> just don't ask yes/no questions and you'll be fine, damn it
• 1074[10:14:42] <nvz> I suppose it is rather remarkable that such a melting pot of cultures has stood out with its own culture though..
• 1075[10:14:44] <Haohmaru> do i have to teach you?
• 1076[10:14:57] <Lady_Aleena> HTH do I put the output of date into a variable in bash?!
• 1077[10:15:07] <nvz> heh, no, I'll stay away from Bulgaria..
• 1078[10:15:17] <Haohmaru> perfect
• 1079[10:15:49] <colo-work> Lady_Aleena, your_var="$(date)"
• 1080[10:15:49] <Haohmaru> and my live image is written, now for the silly things..
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• 1083[10:17:10] <Lady_Aleena> colo-work, current=${date +%Y-%m-%d}; echo $current; returned bash: ${date +%Y-%m-%d}: bad substitution
• 1084[10:17:26] <colo-work> not ${ - $(
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• 1087[10:17:40] <nvz> ${} is expansion, $() is a subshell
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• 1089[10:18:56] <warsoul> jelly, i deleted the user and add it again and still the same thing
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• 1093[10:20:29] <ayekat> warsoul: how did you delete and recreate the user?
• 1094[10:20:41] <ayekat> if you left the home directory as-is, that rc file nonsense is still there
• 1095[10:21:45] <jelly> warsoul: can you pastebin the output of ls -la ~username/
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• 1099[10:22:32] <jelly> warsoul: show us what's in their home, then maybe someone can take a look at suspicious things. Also. Your Debian 9 system needs patching.
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• 1102[10:22:51] <jelly> (which is unrelated to this issue)
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• 1110[10:27:15] <colo-work> Lady_Aleena, with bash (and bash only), you can also do this instead: printf -v current '%(%Y-%m-%d)T'
• 1111[10:27:28] <colo-work> but it's a rather obscure feature only few people will know about
• 1112[10:27:44] <colo-work> also, %Y-%m-%d can be expressed by %F
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• 1114[10:27:59] <jelly> date -I
• 1115[10:28:08] <colo-work> or that, yes
• 1116[10:28:18] <jelly> short and sweet
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• 1118[10:28:25] <Lady_Aleena> colo-work, I don't even know if I am going in the right direction for writing a script to run as a cron job.
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• 1121[10:30:39] <Lady_Aleena> However, I would probably need a forum post somewhere to get help thinking it through. I don't want to drag this channel into another extended conversation about a possible fringe project I have in my head.
• 1122[10:30:43] <vsayikiran> Hi I installed debian v10 in 128gb kingston pendrive,.....although basic OS is installed, I am unable to access internet and GUI . Any idea on how to install and configure network. If network is configured then I will be to install other apps needed for GUI
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• 1124[10:32:16] <warsoul> jelly typed del username
• 1125[10:32:22] <BCMM> vsayikiran: is the network wireless?
• 1126[10:32:30] <warsoul> adduser username
• 1127[10:32:52] <BCMM> vsayikiran: most wireless interfaces (and a few wired ones) require non-free firmware
• 1128[10:33:43] <warsoul> replaced-url
• 1129[10:35:26] <jelly> warsoul: so you may have crap in ~warsoul/.profile or ~warsoul/.bashrc
• 1130[10:35:44] <warsoul> how can i fix it?
• 1131[10:35:51] <Haohmaru> huh, debian live f*cked up on this machine.. it said something about the radeon and modesetting, then the monitor says "OUT OF RANGE 37.9kHz / 85Hz"
• 1132[10:35:54] <Haohmaru> >:/
• 1133[10:36:02] <ayekat> warsoul: output of cat ~warsoul/.profile ~warsoul/.bashrc
• 1134[10:36:14] <Haohmaru> time to retry with the built-in video
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• 1136[10:36:35] <jelly> warsoul: easy workaround is to rename each to something else, and see if you can log in
• 1137[10:37:15] <jelly> warsoul: "how can I fix error in file" is usually "go back to default" or, if you have it "go back to backup version"
• 1138[10:37:34] <warsoul> dont have backup versions
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• 1140[10:37:38] <jelly> Haohmaru: 85Hz, do you have a CRT :-)
• 1141[10:37:50] <warsoul> how can i show you the output of cat
• 1142[10:37:53] <Haohmaru> nah, it's some silly LG LCD
• 1143[10:38:00] <warsoul> try nc but didnt work
• 1144[10:38:05] <vsayikiran> BCMM: i have wireless network at home, currently and most of time i use wireless
• 1145[10:38:07] <warsoul> and is too long to paste here
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• 1147[10:38:12] <Haohmaru> via VGA cable
• 1148[10:38:35] <jelly> perhaps the DDC is broken or VGA cable is marginal
• 1149[10:38:36] <ayekat> warsoul: the same way as you have pasted the output of ls -la ~warsoul/
• 1150[10:38:48] <vsayikiran> BCMM: i logged into debian that I installed in 128gb kingston pendrive
• 1151[10:38:53] <warsoul> i tried nc termnin
• 1152[10:39:06] <BCMM> vsayikiran: have you enabled non-free and installed firmware-linux-nonfree?
• 1153[10:39:41] <vsayikiran> BCMM: i used linux non-free firware iso downloaded from official debian site
• 1154[10:40:00] <warsoul> replaced-url
• 1155[10:40:11] <BCMM> vsayikiran: ok. what have you tried so far, in terms of accessing the internet?
• 1156[10:40:13] <vsayikiran> BCMM: I also ran few commands.....lsmod | grep -i iwl..........
• 1157[10:40:31] <BCMM> vsayikiran: wired internet is usually "plug and play" but wireless, of course, needs some configuration
• 1158[10:40:41] <ayekat> warsoul: alright, I haven't read the entire thing, but the last line is probably the cause for the infinite loop
• 1159[10:41:00] <vsayikiran> BCMM: then iwconfig........the wireless device is showing in the list..and also systemctl | grep wlp12s0
• 1160[10:41:00] <ayekat> warsoul: it keeps sourcing itself
• 1161[10:41:29] <warsoul> how can i fix it?
• 1162[10:41:47] <ayekat> warsoul: remove the line - I don't see why it should be there at all
• 1163[10:42:11] <warsoul> with nano?
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• 1165[10:42:32] <Haohmaru> jelly the installed debian10 on the same machine works fine with it
• 1166[10:42:34] <ayekat> warsoul: yes, for instance
• 1167[10:42:50] <vsayikiran> BCMM: I remember during installation steps.....I configured for wireless automatic DHCP settings......but after few steps when I had to configure apt it showed network error
• 1168[10:42:57] <warsoul> remove where it starts PATH*******
• 1169[10:43:03] <BCMM> vsayikiran: did you record the actual error?
• 1170[10:43:08] <Haohmaru> but the hard disk broke, so now i've attached a new hdd and trying to run from a live image in order to copy the data
• 1171[10:43:11] <ayekat> warsoul: yes, that line causes the infinite loop
• 1172[10:43:12] <vsayikiran> BCMM: no
• 1173[10:43:45] <ayekat> warsoul: (well, the one at the end of your .bashrc - there may be other PATH=… lines that you can probably leave there)
• 1174[10:43:49] <vsayikiran> BCMM: is there anything I can do right now....or should i connect via LAN
• 1175[10:44:03] <BCMM> vsayikiran: by "LAN", do you mean wired ethernet?
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• 1177[10:44:09] <vsayikiran> BCMM: yes
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• 1180[10:44:31] <elm_> the Conflicts tag in Packages.gz:
• 1181[10:44:32] <warsoul> ok
• 1182[10:44:40] <warsoul> ayekat and i let fi there?
• 1183[10:44:40] <BCMM> vsayikiran: i suggest you use a wired connection to get it set up, and then look at fixing the wireless after that
• 1184[10:44:53] <elm_> what if there are multiple conflicts for the same package name
• 1185[10:44:57] <BCMM> vsayikiran: if you're installing a GUI anyway, there are some gui tools that might make setting up wifi easier
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• 1187[10:45:07] <elm_> do I have to or or to and the version number settings
• 1188[10:45:09] <ayekat> warsoul: the `fi` from the line above? yes - that's part of the `if` construct that starts further above, so you want to keep it around
• 1189[10:45:23] <elm_> for Depends I assume them to be or-ed
• 1190[10:45:27] <vsayikiran> BCMM: ok i will try that .....first getting my setup to connect to net is important...
• 1191[10:45:35] <elm_> but for conflicts it could be the other way round
• 1192[10:45:36] <jelly> elm_: everything is AND-ed
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• 1196[10:46:20] <warsoul> ayekat
• 1197[10:46:23] <ayekat> warsoul:
• 1198[10:46:29] <warsoul> is working
• 1199[10:46:32] <warsoul> :)))))))
• 1200[10:46:34] <warsoul> thanks
• 1201[10:46:43] <elm_> replaced-url
• 1202[10:46:46] <elm_> jelly: really
• 1203[10:46:54] <Haohmaru> damn it, i gotta disable the radeon from BIOS >:(
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• 1205[10:47:01] <elm_> jelly: how can that be for thunderbird then
• 1206[10:47:01] <vsayikiran> BCMM: i need clarification.....if searching for wifi drivers/devices in iwconfig, lsmod and systemctl gives output . is it not possible that device is recognised and drivers are in place
• 1207[10:47:02] <ayekat> warsoul: I don't know what your original goal was, but I can only second jelly in that it's not a good idea to run random commands without knowing what they do
• 1208[10:47:18] <warsoul> yes i know
• 1209[10:47:29] <elm_> jelly: It will not depend two times on the same package
• 1210[10:47:31] <warsoul> i was following instructions to install a bot
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• 1212[10:47:37] <BCMM> vsayikiran: if you can conveniently access a wired connection, you could pastebin that output
• 1213[10:47:58] <BCMM> vsayikiran: there's not much point guessing just based on the fact that that output exists
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• 1216[10:48:19] <jelly> elm_: those two _versioned_ Depends create effectively a range of versions that satisfy both
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• 1218[10:48:51] <vsayikiran> BCMM: ok I will reboot and log into my pendrive where I have issue.....I will execute the above commands and share in pastebin
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• 1220[10:49:03] <jelly> elm_: a range of versions for that single package it depends on
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• 1223[10:50:12] <vsayikiran> installation and booting up from a pen drive is damn slow....
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• 1226[10:51:33] <Haohmaru> it's faster than from a CD
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• 1228[10:51:55] <warsoul> how do i delete a username the right way?
• 1229[10:52:22] <humpled> cripes
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• 1231[10:52:47] <Haohmaru> wew, rotating circle animation
• 1232[10:53:20] <jelly> warsoul: userdel -r usernamehere; read "man userdel"
• 1233[10:53:36] <ayekat> there are many "right ways", though
• 1234[10:53:48] <jelly> -r will wipe the contents of their $HOME, and some other known files
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• 1238[10:54:41] <warsoul> -bash: /home/warsoul/.bashrc: line 113: syntax error: unexpected end of file
• 1239[10:54:44] <jelly> ayekat: and explaining a zillion right ways to a new user is not necessarily the best for them
• 1240[10:54:47] <warsoul> im getting this
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• 1244[10:55:11] <ayekat> warsoul: please paste the output of cat ~warsoul/.bashrc
• 1245[10:55:18] <jelly> warsoul: you removed too much, or too little, hard to say
• 1246[10:55:33] <jelly> in any case bash thinks the file has invalid syntax right now
• 1247[10:55:41] <ayekat> jelly: yes, I was just half-seriously reacting to a very unprecise "the right way"
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• 1249[10:56:17] <warsoul> replaced-url
• 1250[10:56:44] <ayekat> warsoul: I think I've told you that you should *not* remove the `fi` lines that were there
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• 1252[10:57:19] <warsoul> i didnt read it :S
• 1253[10:57:24] <warsoul> just add fi
• 1254[10:57:28] <warsoul> ?
• 1255[10:58:05] <ayekat> yes
• 1256[10:58:14] <warsoul> 1 or 2 times?
• 1257[10:58:15] <ayekat> there were two `fi` there, actually
• 1258[10:58:30] <Haohmaru> if imma only use debian on the computer, should i use msdos or something else (gpt?) for partition table?
• 1259[10:59:07] <warsoul> add it 2 times
• 1260[10:59:09] <warsoul> is fixed
• 1261[10:59:11] <warsoul> :)
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• 1263[10:59:46] <jelly> Haohmaru: depends on how the machine is booted
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• 1265[10:59:47] <ayekat> also, you asked me before about whether to leave the `fi` lines there - so why did you ignore my answer to that question? O_o
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• 1267[11:00:09] <Haohmaru> jelly okay, imma keep using "msdos" then cuz that works
• 1268[11:00:28] <jelly> Haohmaru: if legacy boot, and boot disk << 2TiB, then msdos is just fine
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• 1270[11:00:43] <Haohmaru> the disk is 1TB
• 1271[11:01:03] <jelly> good, that is, in fact, strictly less than 2TiB
• 1272[11:01:18] <jelly> but if you replace it with a 3TB sometime
• 1273[11:01:30] <tdn> I keep getting these messages in syslog: "Device: /dev/sdd [SAT], 1 Offline uncorrectable sectors". I am aware that there is 1 of these sectors. But it has been like this in a long time. I do not need to know this several times a day. How do I make this message go away? I only want to know when i changes. Say, if the number increases.
• 1274[11:02:15] <jelly> tdn: if you figure out how to coerce smartd to only show change please let me know, I'm interested as well
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• 1279[11:04:43] <tdn> jelly, ok
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• 1282[11:05:40] * jelly has a disk with 16 bad sectors and intentionally uses just the first 500GB
• 1283[11:06:22] <jelly> tdn: my current "solution" is a mail filter that puts smartd mails with a specific string into a junk folder
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• 1289[11:07:42] <Haohmaru> hm, on the old disk, i've had a 100MB ntfs "boot" partition, now i didn't put one, so i should flag the ext4 "/" partition as boot, right? or hm.. i could copy the ntfs partition on the new hdd
• 1290[11:07:48] <Haohmaru> decisions decisions..
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• 1295[11:08:37] <jelly> Haohmaru: neither linux nor linux boot loaders care about that flag at all. Omit it freely.
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• 1297[11:08:51] <Haohmaru> k
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• 1300[11:09:07] <Haohmaru> but my grub must've been there, on the ntfs partition
• 1301[11:09:21] <jelly> unlikely
• 1302[11:09:27] <Haohmaru> hm
• 1303[11:10:15] <Haohmaru> okay then i'm done with partitioning, now, to copy the data, someone suggested "rsync" but i forgot the details
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• 1308[11:12:11] <Haohmaru> rsync -avxHAX --progress /old /new ?
• 1309[11:12:25] <nvz> what is it you're copying?
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• 1311[11:12:36] <tdn> jelly, problem is that sometimes I really want to know this. Say, if it occurred on a different disk
• 1312[11:12:47] <Haohmaru> the hard disk of my debian10 went dying
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• 1314[11:12:54] <nvz> Haohmaru: a root partition?
• 1315[11:12:57] <Haohmaru> got a new hard disk now
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• 1317[11:13:53] <nvz> Haohmaru: not only does linux have certain files that are not normal files, but some of them are auto-generated and you don't always want to copy everything anyhow
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• 1319[11:14:38] <Haohmaru> thing is, i used btrfs partitions, and it turns out you can't do anything when sectors go bad, and you can't convert it to ext4, so now i partitioned the new hdd to ext4, and i wanna copy/paste the stuff, and try to fix what's gonna be broken (fstab perhaps)
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• 1321[11:15:24] <nvz> Haohmaru: are you seeking to duplicate an installation onto a blank drive or just copy files to a fresh install?
• 1322[11:15:44] <Haohmaru> i want it to run afterwards, of course
• 1323[11:16:13] <nvz> you're wholly avoiding the point of my questioning of WHAT SPECIFICALLY is there that you want to copy and what is already on the target
• 1324[11:16:14] <Haohmaru> i'd do a "dd" or "ddrescue" but that's gonna copy the btrfs stuff, i don't want btrfs anymore
• 1325[11:16:36] <Haohmaru> *everything*
• 1326[11:16:47] <nvz> if it were me, I'd reinstall on the new disk and copy only what I needed
• 1327[11:16:55] <Haohmaru> x_x
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• 1329[11:17:17] <nvz> which would be /home mostly.. maybe a file or two from /etc/
• 1330[11:17:35] <nvz> if I could I'd chroot and do a dpkg --get-selections or such
• 1331[11:17:43] <Haohmaru> i got lotsa installed programs and funky configurations
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• 1333[11:18:00] <nvz> configurations only go in a few places.. most all of it is in /home
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• 1336[11:18:31] <nvz> or in /etc/ and some programs may put stuff in places like /usr/lib/ which is bad practice IMHO
• 1337[11:18:32] <Haohmaru> some of these configurations are around the desktop environment
• 1338[11:18:39] <Haohmaru> i don't wanna redo everything :~(
• 1339[11:18:58] <nvz> you don't have to redo everything, but copying an entire rootfs at a filesystem level is usually a horrible idea
• 1340[11:19:23] <nvz> you install a base debian install onto the new hdd with the partitioning scheme you desire.. no gui or anything.. just a small base install
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• 1343[11:19:57] <nvz> then you mount and chroot into the old install and do dpkg --get-selections > packages.lst or such, this gives you a list of all installed packages on that old system that you can use to duplicate the same on the new system
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• 1345[11:20:18] <nvz> once you've applied those changes, installing all the same packages, you now have a duplicate system that is fresh
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• 1347[11:20:30] <nvz> then you rsync or such /home
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• 1349[11:20:50] <Haohmaru> this is gonna take forever
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• 1351[11:20:56] <nvz> and for most folk you probably only have a few files anywhere outside /home that have been modified and some of those you don't even wanna keep
• 1352[11:21:05] <nvz> like fstab for example
• 1353[11:21:25] <nvz> it'll take far less time than doing what you're suggesting and will be more likely to work
• 1354[11:21:36] <Haohmaru> maan, even the mouse settings i have to do by hand by creating files in /etc
• 1355[11:21:45] <Haohmaru> same goes for the gpu/monitor
• 1356[11:21:59] <nvz> Haohmaru: thats a few things.. easy to find and copy over
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• 1358[11:22:35] <Haohmaru> can't i rsync the files and then install debian10 "on top" ;P~
• 1359[11:22:57] <Haohmaru> i guess not
• 1360[11:23:01] <nvz> anyone else could chime in and say I'm smokin egg nog here, but I'm telling you, the best option is to make a debian 10 install media, install to the new HDD with desired partition scheme, but unselect everything but the basic system utilities in tasksel.. just to a barebones install
• 1361[11:23:01] <Haohmaru> bluh
• 1362[11:23:19] <Haohmaru> i know that's the best option
• 1363[11:23:20] <nvz> that'll take like half an hour roughly or less
• 1364[11:24:10] <nvz> then you boot the new install with the old HDD attached.. mount the old partition, chroot into it, use dpkg --get-selections then exit the chroot and apply those settings and install those packages
• 1365[11:24:22] <nvz> then just simply cp/mv/rsync /home
• 1366[11:24:25] <Haohmaru> chroot :~(
• 1367[11:24:40] <nvz> chroot is not something to be sad about
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• 1369[11:24:50] <Haohmaru> i'd rather boot the old system (it boots, just very slow with kernel errors about the hdd)
• 1370[11:25:03] <nvz> you just risk more corruption that way
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• 1372[11:25:21] <nvz> and there is no reason to do it that way.. its just harder
• 1373[11:25:43] <rmrfchik> debian9 in vmwplayer goes black after some time and didn't wake up. although it reacts in power off and shutsdown gracefully
• 1374[11:25:47] <Haohmaru> last time i did this chroot procedure, it's a ton of commands
• 1375[11:26:01] <rmrfchik> open-vm-tools installed. xorg vmware is used.
• 1376[11:26:08] <rmrfchik> any ideas?
• 1377[11:26:12] <nvz> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt; chroot /mnt then dpkg --get-selections > /packages.lst then exit, then cat /mnt/packages.list > dpkg --set-selections
• 1378[11:26:35] <nvz> Haohmaru: not this time.. you don't need all the bind mounted /proc/sys/dev/ crap
• 1379[11:26:54] <nvz> all you're trying to do is get the selections from the dpkg database
• 1380[11:26:54] <humpled> five commands?
• 1381[11:27:13] <Haohmaru> then i haven't done it
• 1382[11:27:49] <nvz> Haohmaru: its basic stuff we're talking about here, not voodoo magic
• 1383[11:28:09] <Haohmaru> i've done "chroot" two times, once when i forgot the root password, and another time when power went down before rebooting when i had upgraded a pile of packages (including the kernel)
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• 1386[11:28:32] <nvz> yeah I don't usually use a chroot as my first option for a rootpw..
• 1387[11:28:46] <nvz> I just use init=/bin/bash at the grub menu
• 1388[11:29:04] <nvz> mount -o remount,rw /; passwd; mount -o remount,ro /
• 1389[11:29:22] <Haohmaru> okay then.. so.. imma install debian10, after lunch
• 1390[11:29:23] <nvz> easier than getting a seperate boot media and doing a chroot IMHO
• 1391[11:29:40] <nvz> Haohmaru: installing just the base system should take no time at all
• 1392[11:30:01] <Haohmaru> i doubt i'll get it back to running till the end of the day
• 1393[11:30:02] <nvz> getting the selections from a chroot to the old drive.. even less time.. 1-2min 5 commands
• 1394[11:30:24] <nvz> then the actually installing all the same packages and migrating the data will be the slow part
• 1395[11:30:56] <Haohmaru> bbl
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• 1397[11:31:27] <nvz> its way better to just grab that list and install the packages from repos than risk further corrupting the drive pulling it all across and risking a FUBAR machine from trying to copy from a corrupted drive
• 1398[11:31:57] <Haohmaru> perhaps the packages aren't a big deal
• 1399[11:32:02] <nvz> a list of packages is far less data to risk trying to migrate than the packages themselves
• 1400[11:32:10] <Haohmaru> it's all the settings and sh*t
• 1401[11:32:13] <nvz> and what's in /home is usually the most important
• 1402[11:32:34] <nvz> you probably don't have more than 6 files outside /home that would be any different on a new install
• 1403[11:32:47] <nvz> and you probably don't even want half of those
• 1404[11:33:12] <Haohmaru> don't question my pimped up debian
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• 1406[11:33:49] <nvz> oh I question it.. you have a FUBAR'd btrfs
• 1407[11:33:51] <nvz> heh
• 1408[11:34:20] <Haohmaru> >:/
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• 1410[11:35:40] <nvz> I been using computers for like 30 years, debian exclusively for about 18.. and I probably don't have 6 files outside my /home of any consequence to me.. /etc/X11/xorg.conf was auto-generated to switch from modesetting to intel then I changed it back to modesetting but disabled some pageflip option.. nothing I couldn't easily just auto generate with X --configure and change two lines all over again.. more
• 1411[11:35:46] <nvz> easily than bothering to copy it
• 1412[11:35:59] <nvz> most of what is outside my home that I'd want is in /usr/local/bin my scripts :P
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• 1414[11:38:00] <humpled> and when you make changes for the first time you make notes right?
• 1415[11:38:11] <nvz> sounds good
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• 1417[11:39:24] <jvava> hi, when I install buster with a usb stick, installer say it need iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode, so I put the file in another usb stick's root directory, but it can not be found, is there some tricks?
• 1418[11:39:40] <nvz> !firmware images
• 1419[11:39:40] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 1420[11:40:11] <nvz> jvava: just use those when you plan to install ^ many graphics, bluetooth, wifi, and even wired nic use firmware now..
• 1421[11:40:33] <nvz> the firmware images include all the non-free firmwares already
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• 1423[11:40:54] <jvava> nvz, I have to download the big cdrom?
• 1424[11:41:17] <nvz> jvava: no, if you have reasonable network connectivity the netinst iso is more than enough
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• 1426[11:42:09] <jvava> nvz, it need only a firmware file and I have that, but installer can not find it
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• 1429[11:42:35] <nvz> well, read the install guide or wait for someone else to help.. I dont fool with that stuff
• 1430[11:42:55] <jvava> nvz, ok, thank you
• 1431[11:43:27] <nvz> its far easier in my experience to install over ethernet if need be or just get a firmware image
• 1432[11:44:04] <jvava> nvz, you are right,
• 1433[11:44:19] <nvz> takes me less than 2 min to download a netinst image and less than 5 to have it written and booted
• 1434[11:44:32] <jvava> but I have a slow net, won't down a cd again
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• 1436[11:44:46] <nvz> takes me less than 1 min to just plug an ethernet cable into my laptop, click the network applet and select connection sharing
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• 1438[11:45:18] <nvz> fooling with getting a single firmware file and getting the installer to see it.. 10min minimum
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• 1442[11:46:21] <jvava> nvz, :-), I has thought the firmware cd is about 1G, just now I see it is about 300m, so I will try that, thank you
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• 1444[11:46:39] <Haohmaru> i don't know how to autogenerate stuff, i manually put files here and there
• 1445[11:46:40] <nvz> jvava: replaced-url
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• 1448[11:47:01] <Haohmaru> not to mention the font configs, more files
• 1449[11:47:21] <Haohmaru> i'm telling you, i'm picky about my debian, got a lot of customizations
• 1450[11:47:26] <nvz> most any configuration a user does is in their homedir
• 1451[11:47:50] <nvz> and figuring out what the difference is between the old drive and the new one once its installed is rather trivial
• 1452[11:48:06] <Haohmaru> and a gtk theme that vanished in debian10, so i had to do silly things to install it
• 1453[11:48:07] <nvz> the issue here is that your drive is failing, you want to minimize access to it as much as possible
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• 1455[11:48:37] <nvz> !gtk scrollbar fix
• 1456[11:48:44] <nvz> !gtk3 scrollbar fix
• 1457[11:48:44] <dpkg> i guess gtk3 scrollbar fix is to fix disappearing scrollbars export GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0 or echo "GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0" >> /etc/environment and to disable seeking / enable paging echo "gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = false" >> /etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
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• 1459[11:49:04] <nvz> I wrote that factoid.. I dont even want to dare try to explain the ridiculous shit I went through to figure that out :P
• 1460[11:49:30] <nvz> so I know how it goes :D
• 1461[11:50:12] <jvava> nvz, I have read that, I did place the ucode file in root directory, just don't know it is file system or it require a deb file contains the ucode file
• 1462[11:50:36] <Haohmaru> i think i know this bug
• 1463[11:50:40] <nvz> I'm telling you as a user and supporter of Debian for nearly two decades, as a certified computer tech and linux tech, that this is the best way to do it.. minimize access to the drive, install fresh, copy stuff on an as-needed basis
• 1464[11:50:56] <Haohmaru> on some windows, thre is this rounded scrollbar, like on lxterminal, on synaptic, etc..
• 1465[11:50:58] <nvz> you can ignore my advice, but it won't change :P
• 1466[11:51:11] <Haohmaru> most themes don't change how it looks apart from its colors
• 1467[11:51:19] <Haohmaru> it sometimes disappears on lxterminal
• 1468[11:51:22] <Haohmaru> i hate it
• 1469[11:51:27] <Haohmaru> >:(
• 1470[11:51:38] <Haohmaru> it doesn't have buttons on its two ends
• 1471[11:51:44] <nvz> everyone who isn't insane hates all that is GNOME/GTK 3
• 1472[11:51:48] <nvz> heh
• 1473[11:52:06] <nvz> especially those affected by the changes who don't even use GNOME
• 1474[11:52:22] <jvava> nvz, in the old debian, such as stretch, extension do well in such as taskbar, I don't know how the buster support that, if not, I can not imagine
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• 1476[11:52:46] <nvz> jvava: idk either, which is why I avoid the issue.. I use firmware installers if I am not already certain of my connectivity
• 1477[11:53:05] <nvz> jvava: if you already have a full cd/dvd iso you can proceed through the install without the firmware or configuring the network
• 1478[11:53:21] <nvz> jvava: you can fix that issue later after you'v einstalled and booted the system
• 1479[11:53:35] <jvava> nvz, I know, I won't download a dvd still, :-)
• 1480[11:53:47] <nvz> jvava: what do you already have?
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• 1482[11:54:05] <jvava> a cd image, about 600M
• 1483[11:54:11] <nvz> jvava: even the netinstall image contains enough to install a base system
• 1484[11:54:21] <jvava> it don't contain that firmware
• 1485[11:54:30] <nvz> jvava: which cd image? the appropriate cd1 image for the desktop you want to install?
• 1486[11:54:30] <jvava> iwlwifi
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• 1490[11:55:30] <nvz> jvava: replaced-url
• 1491[11:55:35] <jvava> debian-10.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
• 1492[11:55:40] <jvava> yes
• 1493[11:55:45] <nvz> jvava: do you plan to install XFCE?
• 1494[11:56:01] <jvava> no, I just use it boot the installer
• 1495[11:56:06] <jvava> I like gnome
• 1496[11:56:15] * nvz pukes in the corner
• 1497[11:56:32] <jvava> but I'm afraid new buster don't support extension such as taskbar
• 1498[11:56:43] <nvz> jvava: you can still do a base install without selecting a desktop from that cd image and then add the firmware in later and finish the install after its booted
• 1499[11:57:12] <nvz> jvava: what is it specifically that you like about GNOME?
• 1500[11:57:30] <jvava> I have upgrade from stretch, taskbar doesn't work, so I try install from scratch
• 1501[11:57:40] <nvz> because MATE can do most all GNOME does now.. and its far less aweful
• 1502[11:57:49] <jvava> nvz, the most important one is
• 1503[11:57:55] <Haohmaru> but some themes *do* change how that nasty scrollbar looks like, including buttons
• 1504[11:57:57] <nvz> it has those atrocious dock things, it has the searchable menus..
• 1505[11:58:15] <Haohmaru> so i've been thinking to try and butcher together some theme that doesn't annoy me
• 1506[11:58:18] <jvava> I have a notebook, which screen is small
• 1507[11:58:24] <jvava> just 15'
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• 1509[11:58:34] <nvz> Haohmaru: those issues I documented have to do with the scrollbars disappearing when you're not hovering over them, and it seeking to the location you click instead of paging up/down
• 1510[11:58:50] <nvz> I'm pretty sure my screen is less than that
• 1511[11:58:53] <jvava> if use gnome and extension, the title of each window can be removed, that's wonderful
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• 1513[11:59:10] <nvz> yeah, my T440 is only 14"
• 1514[11:59:13] <Haohmaru> i hate its animations and how it grows/shrinks in a "fancy" way.. dafuq
• 1515[11:59:24] <Tobbi_> Good day! I got a service that won't start, it says this in the logs: replaced-url
• 1516[11:59:31] <nvz> pretty much any wm can remove the title bar
• 1517[11:59:40] <jvava> I don't know how other can endure a big title bar and bottom bar in a only 15' screen
• 1518[12:00:09] <jvava> nvz, maybe, but gnome works wonderfule
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• 1520[12:00:33] <jvava> no the old gnome, as for the new one in buster, I don't know
• 1521[12:01:04] <nvz> jvava: you're not talking about title bars, you're talking about panels
• 1522[12:01:20] <nvz> jvava: mate's default config does have two panels, as does XFCEs but thats not required
• 1523[12:01:30] <nvz> you can have 50 of them or none of them, whatever you want
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• 1525[12:01:40] <nvz> you can make them autohide, change their size.. etc
• 1526[12:01:56] <jvava> I never tried those
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• 1528[12:02:12] <jvava> mate looks ugly, sorry
• 1529[12:02:24] <jvava> I like only gnome
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• 1531[12:02:37] <Haohmaru> eww
• 1532[12:02:38] <jvava> old gnome, I don't what the new one in buster is
• 1533[12:02:47] <humpled> what
• 1534[12:02:55] <nvz> jvava: replaced-url
• 1535[12:03:06] <BCMM> i've been using kde plasma with a vertical panel. i find it just makes more sense ever since widescreen was a thing.
• 1536[12:03:08] <jvava> ok, I'm checking
• 1537[12:03:22] <nvz> I use a single panel on top, at 24px wide..
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• 1539[12:03:49] <nvz> its a 14" screen though its a retrofitted 1080p screen not the stock 1366x768 screen or w/e the T440 has
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• 1541[12:06:09] <jvava> nvz, that's wasted a little than mine
• 1542[12:06:25] <nvz> yeah some applets and such don't do vertical too well
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• 1544[12:06:40] <nvz> xfce's panel has some things that work better vertical than mate's panel
• 1545[12:07:04] <nvz> jvava: I could set it to auto-hide and it'd waste like 1px
• 1546[12:07:20] <jvava> nvz, gnome do a good job, see the extension 'hide top bar' extension
• 1547[12:07:40] <nvz> yes well see, in old gnome now called MATE, these weren't extensions
• 1548[12:07:44] <jvava> the old gnome, I'm afraid new one don't support that extension
• 1549[12:07:44] <nvz> they were default features
• 1550[12:07:53] <nvz> you could just access all this stuff by clicking around
• 1551[12:08:09] <nvz> right click the panel, go to properties
• 1552[12:08:23] <nvz> you didnt have to act like a f'n WinXP user "hacking" features in
• 1553[12:08:41] <nvz> cause it had all the features already
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• 1561[12:11:29] <humpled> /nick rant
• 1562[12:11:29] <nvz> really the menu I'm using is what seems to be preventing me from going below 24px
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• 1564[12:11:43] <nvz> there are 4 other menus available for mate-panel
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• 1566[12:12:42] <Haohmaru> lxde is teh truth
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• 1568[12:12:56] * Haohmaru whispers: el eggz dee ee
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• 1571[12:13:33] <jvava> in fact, linux need only a good desktop,
• 1572[12:14:12] <Haohmaru> okay, some chunks of xfce are nifty too
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• 1575[12:14:46] <Haohmaru> but pcmanfm ftw
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• 1577[12:16:14] <nvz> jvava: was the old screenshot with the default mate menu at 24px panel replaced-url
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• 1579[12:16:22] <nvz> gained 5px there
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• 1581[12:16:47] <jvava> nvz, I'm checking it
• 1582[12:17:09] <nvz> there are 4 menu applets available for MATE 1.20 in Debian now.. two installed by default and two are extra packages
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• 1585[12:17:34] <nvz> all changable just by clicking on the panel itself no hacking no extensions, no tweak tools..etc.. required
• 1586[12:17:41] <jvava> nvz, the top bar can be hidden?
• 1587[12:18:06] <nvz> jvava: any panel can be hidden automatically, manually, expanded or not.. size, color, background, transparency.. whatever
• 1588[12:18:16] <nvz> positioned on any side of the screen
• 1589[12:18:18] <jvava> oh,
• 1590[12:18:34] <nvz> these were all standard features in GNOME prior to GNOME 3
• 1591[12:18:44] <nvz> they went back like 2 decades in usability
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• 1593[12:19:22] <nvz> which is why GNOME 2.x was forked into the MATE project.. cause GNOME 3 is shit
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• 1597[12:19:53] <jvava> gnome3 is shit, really?
• 1598[12:19:56] <nvz> I'd rather use Windows 98 today than GNOME 3
• 1599[12:20:18] <nvz> or win 3.1 even
• 1600[12:20:25] <jvava> mine is gnome 3.14
• 1601[12:20:26] <humpled> byeee
• 1602[12:20:40] <nvz> even win 3.1 had more and easier configuration
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• 1604[12:20:58] <jvava> now keep satisfied with it
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• 1606[12:21:35] <nvz> jvava: have you ever used gnome back in its 2.x days?
• 1607[12:21:43] <jvava> yes
• 1608[12:21:57] <nvz> so you are familiar with how much easier it is to configure?
• 1609[12:22:16] <humpled> i remember it had two giant panels
• 1610[12:22:29] <jvava> seem the last dist support something like failover gnome, I can not remember that clearly
• 1611[12:22:36] <nvz> by default.. thats not a like it use it, or gtfo like gnome 3 is
• 1612[12:22:53] * nvz makes a video of the ease of MATE configuration
• 1613[12:23:22] <humpled> are you aware
• 1614[12:23:48] <humpled> making things 'easy' by making them like you are used to from your previous decades of previous operating systems
• 1615[12:23:59] <humpled> is not the same as making it easy for new users
• 1616[12:24:04] <jvava> I have heard that in chromeos, a new gui is developed and performace well
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• 1621[12:27:00] <nvz> replaced-url
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• 1627[12:27:49] <nvz> that is how easily MATE / Gnome 2.x was to configure
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• 1629[12:28:01] <nvz> in every aspect, not just the panel which is all I highlight in that short video
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• 1634[12:31:39] <jvava> nvz, how to play that mp4 file
• 1635[12:31:40] <nvz> as I show, the panel need not take up any space, it can be hidden, manually or automatically or even floated
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• 1637[12:31:52] <nvz> for me it just plays in my browser
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• 1639[12:32:06] <nvz> but you could also paste the URL into vlc I'd imagine
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• 1643[12:33:04] <nvz> well just pasting the URL into vlc didnt work for me, but you could wget it first
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• 1645[12:33:14] <nvz> its ony 6.3M
• 1646[12:33:41] <nvz> idk what kinda browser you're using that can't just play mp4 files
• 1647[12:33:47] <jvava> nvz, I can't download it, maybe behind a wall
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• 1651[12:35:15] <nvz> jvava: can you access youtube?
• 1652[12:35:39] <jvava> nvz, in browser I can
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• 1656[12:35:50] <nvz> replaced-url
• 1657[12:36:47] <nvz> seems they altered the resolution.. its blurry for me
• 1658[12:37:20] <nvz> ah not if I select 720p or 1080p
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• 1661[12:38:44] <nvz> I need to look into that issue with the custom mate menu.. cause I like that menu better but I do also like the slimmer panel.. and with that I can't go below 24px
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• 1663[12:39:26] <humpled> in gnome3 you don't need a menu, just start typing what you want and it finds it for you
• 1664[12:39:33] <nvz> thats the only applet that was preventing me from shrinking the panel below 24px
• 1665[12:39:43] <nvz> yeah thats f'n annoying
• 1666[12:39:48] <humpled> no more searching through endless arbitrary categories :)
• 1667[12:39:49] <nvz> two of the mate menus have that feature
• 1668[12:39:50] <jvava> nvz, not perfect like gnome,
• 1669[12:40:02] <jvava> I see the video
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• 1671[12:40:13] <Haohmaru> endless? check lxpanel's menu - it's quite simple
• 1672[12:40:32] <nvz> yeah not like gnome, you don't have to hunt for settings in undocumented shit or have pre-made extensions and tweak tools
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• 1675[12:40:50] <nvz> you just easily change what you wanna change the way it used to work
• 1676[12:40:50] <f-a> is there a way to check if `your GPU/drivers do not support GLES 2.0
• 1677[12:40:54] <jvava> yes, the tweak tool does not work in buster, sigh
• 1678[12:40:58] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: have you got your ssh service working?
• 1679[12:40:59] <f-a> welp
• 1680[12:41:01] <Haohmaru> i watch my collegue who loves kde, struggling to find his programs in the horrendous menu
• 1681[12:41:14] <f-a> is there a way to check if my "GPU/drivers supports GLES 2.0"?
• 1682[12:41:16] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: ?
• 1683[12:41:22] <jvava> it's time to quit, see you, nvz
• 1684[12:41:26] <dgp> Haohmaru: he can't type the name of it in the search bar?
• 1685[12:41:40] <Haohmaru> nah, he's a click-clack guy
• 1686[12:41:55] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: from yestersay evening^^
• 1687[12:41:55] <Haohmaru> his keyboard is usually 1 meter away deep into the desk, and burried in sh*t
• 1688[12:42:06] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: you mean the tor thing?
• 1689[12:42:07] <dgp> sounds like a him problem and not a kde problem TBH
• 1690[12:42:12] <vertuxt[m]> Yes
• 1691[12:42:36] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: idk, I assume its working, I was just reproducing an issue for someone else.. I haven't bothered to try it out to see if I'd use it or not
• 1692[12:42:37] <Haohmaru> still, he isn't bothered, i get tired just watching him
• 1693[12:42:56] <nvz> I'm still of a mind that tor is just an annoyance..
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• 1695[12:43:27] <vertuxt[m]> Yeah, you should know what you're doing. Its not very user friendly
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• 1697[12:44:09] <nvz> I'd be throughly suprised if you can actually use it to do real stuff without it working like you were using arpanet with a pots coupler and a tcp/cp (telecommunication over carrier pigeon) relay
• 1698[12:44:39] <Haohmaru> postal pigeon?
• 1699[12:44:42] <nvz> for it to be of use to me I'd have to get it working not only with mosh, but also working on android with juicessh
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• 1702[12:45:03] <nvz> cause I'm farily satisfied with my setup as-is which doesn't use tor for anything
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• 1704[12:45:23] <nvz> curently in helping that other user, my ssh is now forwareded over tor as an onion service
• 1705[12:45:31] <nvz> but I haven't tested it
• 1706[12:45:36] <dgp> nvz: I'm surprised it has any meaningful purpose now that tracking has moved on from looking at IP addresses
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• 1710[12:46:20] <nvz> dgp: yeah these days people will take and sell and buy and such any data they can get their hands on and worry about what it is any use for later
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• 1712[12:46:31] <nvz> its rather pathetic really
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• 1715[12:47:37] * dgp imagines people feeling totally l33t using tor to browse sites while chrome is feeding data back to the mothership
• 1716[12:48:15] <Haohmaru> huehue
• 1717[12:48:28] <nvz> yes well using tor to browse like a moron and masking your own services using tor are two totally different things
• 1718[12:48:29] <Haohmaru> "telemetry"
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• 1720[12:49:18] <nvz> one advantage I see is using the onion network like a vpn.. so that I'd only need to forward one port for all my services and making them invisible
• 1721[12:49:30] <nvz> that is if it didnt make them totally useless in the process :P
• 1722[12:49:42] <nvz> which was my experience with tor when I'd used it just for browsing many years ago
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• 1724[12:50:33] <ayew> why not just use a vpn?
• 1725[12:50:41] <ayew> its designed for that exact purpose
• 1726[12:50:45] <nvz> for tor like technologies to work properly you have to be using it on both ends
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• 1728[12:51:02] <nvz> cause its a pita to setup
• 1729[12:51:23] <nvz> I have a static p2p vpn setup between mine and my cousin's laptop we can activate via network-manager
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• 1732[12:53:03] <nvz> the idea that any average idiot could use tor browser to browse non-tor-websites with any real advantage today is silly
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• 1734[12:54:36] <nvz> really to navigate the complexity of today's internet you'd need to completely compartmentalize each site/service you use and mix that with traffic from other users and such
• 1735[12:55:10] <darxmurf> weird, the auto indent function in vim is messing up my bash code... did they change something recently in it ?
• 1736[12:55:19] <nvz> and still you'd only be obfusticating and limiting the leak of information marginally
• 1737[12:55:48] <nvz> I had an issue with heredocs in pluma recently cause it was converting tabs to spaces
• 1738[12:56:05] <nvz> bash understands if the syntax is correct tabs but not spaces
• 1739[12:56:18] <vertuxt[m]> However, exposing SSH to Tor and replaced-url
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• 1742[12:57:40] <nvz> idk, its not a concern for me.. I just use mosh to get on irc thats pretty much it
• 1743[12:57:47] <nvz> and a dont do it that often from outside the network anyhow
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• 1746[12:58:11] <vertuxt[m]> Average users could use the Tor Browser AS is has some useful privacy extenstions enabled....however, i would never do this for any relevant data AS the exit node is the perfect Palace for MitM
• 1747[12:59:06] <nvz> tor browsing is just annoying to me.. sites detect the wrong language, many things today require persistant connections which it horribly breaks..
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• 1750[12:59:36] <nvz> you may as well just go all RMS and email snapshots of sites back to yourself from heavily used public machines
• 1751[12:59:37] <ayew> ajax stuff is so prevalent now
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• 1753[12:59:52] <vertuxt[m]> Yes, but that is the intention of Tor... That you appear AS someone different.... Untrackable
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• 1756[13:01:04] <nvz> its just not very practical
• 1757[13:02:56] <vertuxt[m]> For random users it is
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• 1760[13:03:32] <vertuxt[m]> If a Website chooses the language based on geoip instead of the browser settings it is badly configured
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• 1765[13:05:19] <vertuxt[m]> If you setup an service (no Manner oft inside Tor or the replaced-url
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• 1770[13:06:41] <hans__> maybe debian should also look into this, apparently it makes nginx leak memory on every connection, replaced-url
• 1771[13:07:01] <hans__> it was fixed in upstream openssl 29 days ago, replaced-url
• 1772[13:08:47] <hans__> and it affects openssl release >= 1.1.1b
• 1773[13:08:55] <hans__> (debian 10 is rolling 1.1.1c )
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• 1776[13:13:42] <uio> Hi, recently did an install of Buster XFCE on a laptop and have display issues after hibernation. I had to add "acpi_backlight=vendor" to grub to make the backlight work and I changed the power setting such that closing the laptop causes hibernation. Now display is fine, except after hibernation. Here it shows the login screen, I enter IDs and then black screen. I can access tty, but startx will not work. What might be wrong?
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• 1778[13:14:42] <hans__> uio, are you using lxdm or lightdm?
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• 1782[13:15:13] <uio> hans__, Yes; I think it's default in XFCE.
• 1783[13:15:28] <uio> hans__, Lightdm
• 1784[13:15:36] <uio> hans__, Sorry, read your question wrong.
• 1785[13:15:47] <hans__> uio, ls /etc/lightdm | pastebinit
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• 1787[13:17:25] <uio> okay
• 1788[13:17:34] <hans__> what do you get?
• 1789[13:18:15] <uio> hans__, Sorry, still working on it!
• 1790[13:18:28] <hans__> what really? should just take a second, unless you don't have pastebinit installed
• 1791[13:18:59] <uio> hans__, That, and I am on two machines right now - the problem one was not ready :)
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• 1793[13:19:02] <uio> I'm on it!
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• 1797[13:20:43] <uio> hans__, paste.debian.net/1098525
• 1798[13:21:08] <hans__> pastebinit lightdm.conf
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• 1800[13:21:16] <uio> That's nifty that pastebin it!
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• 1805[13:22:02] <hans__> ikr :) unfortunately paste.debian.net is prone to spam false-positives, with a message like "contact the admin for issues", but the admin NEVER responds to false positive reports, soo it's kindof a waste of time
• 1806[13:22:04] <uio> hans__, Says it can't read lightdm.conf
• 1807[13:22:18] <nvz> if you just use | nc termbin.com 9999 you don't have to worry about having pastebinit installed
• 1808[13:22:24] <hans__> uio, sudo cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf | pastebinit
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• 1810[13:23:02] <Mark100> Hey all, I just installed Whonix and I'm unable to see Applications that i have installed via terminal. I have tried Snap-Store and FlatPak, restarted, but they do not show in the search or in the applications folder.
• 1811[13:23:31] <uio> paste.debian.net/1098527/
• 1812[13:23:32] <Mark100> Would appreciate any help
• 1813[13:23:34] <humpled> lightdm.conf is normally world readable
• 1814[13:23:35] <nvz> !whonix
• 1815[13:23:36] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. replaced-url
• 1816[13:23:40] <hans__> nvz, best upload protocol ever. just raw TCP :D
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• 1818[13:23:53] <nvz> hans__: yeah, can't beat it
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• 1820[13:24:04] <nvz> hans__: netcat is typically installed on our users machines already
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• 1822[13:24:23] <nvz> pastebinit is not.. which is just an additional confusing step for many users
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• 1826[13:24:45] <uio> nvz, I like it though. So much faster than copy and pasting!
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• 1830[13:24:54] <uio> The other probably is too I guess.
• 1831[13:24:58] <nvz> and so not required :P
• 1832[13:25:21] <nvz> as someone also pointed out you could technically use curl -F to do it as well
• 1833[13:25:42] <hans__> ... that' won't work like you want it to
• 1834[13:25:46] <nvz> and curl is probably not as likely to be installed as netcat but is more likely by far than pastebinity
• 1835[13:26:00] <uio> nvz, I kind of like that pastebinit sends to debian, but I guess it doesn't really change anything...
• 1836[13:26:01] <hans__> -F uses a format called `multipart/form-data`, which includes a lot of headers of its own
• 1837[13:26:05] <nvz> it will, just not as simply as netcat
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• 1839[13:26:41] <nvz> you'd have to use a rather long commandline specifying for paste.debian.net the language, expire time, etc.. then parse the output
• 1840[13:27:03] <nvz> its easier to just use a pastebin made for terminals.. i.e. termbin
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• 1843[13:28:37] <uio> Have I already managed to make a Frankendebian? Or is the machine perhaps the issue?
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• 1846[13:29:08] <hans__> nvz, here's for echo test > test; curl -F file=@test replaced-url
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• 1849[13:30:03] <hans__> (for some reason it didn't want to take it from stdin9
• 1850[13:30:03] <hans__> )
• 1851[13:30:05] <nvz> yes well thats not required for termbin.com.. doing that with paste.debian.net is much more complicated :P
• 1852[13:30:24] <hans__> hmm
• 1853[13:30:52] <nvz> paste.debian.net requires at least 3 parameters for a valid paste, 3 line breaks minimum iirc..
• 1854[13:31:04] <nvz> and it doesn't return simply a url, it returns html
• 1855[13:31:28] <nvz> though it does have an xmlrpc interface
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• 1859[13:34:12] <uio> How does it look?
• 1860[13:34:40] <nvz> how does what look?
• 1861[13:35:02] <uio> The pastebin file...
• 1862[13:36:05] <hans__> it says that this does not contain the required linebreaks, not sure why: curl -F code=$(printf "test\n\n\n\n") -F paste=Send -F lang=-1 -F expire=-1 -F poster="" replaced-url
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• 1864[13:37:08] <nvz> uio: I didnt even look at it.. if its your lightdm config its probably maintainer version and uninteresting
• 1865[13:37:20] <nvz> lightdm, while I like it, has issues with crap like this
• 1866[13:37:24] <hans__> did he post the lightdm.conf file?
• 1867[13:37:29] <hans__> i didn't see it
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• 1870[13:37:55] <nvz> on mine when I had set it up to lock when I suspend, it sometimes doesnt enable fingerprint login to unlock it
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• 1872[13:38:01] <uio> hans__, Here: paste.debian.net/1098527/
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• 1874[13:38:14] <nvz> which is a problem.. cause none of the accounts in this machne are enabled
• 1875[13:38:29] <uio> nvz, What do you use? The fire screen locker? :)
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• 1877[13:38:57] <nvz> idk just lightdm/light-locker
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• 1879[13:39:21] <nvz> I'd changed the light-locker command in my session to add the lock on sleep thing
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• 1884[13:40:20] <nvz> put lightdm in general seems to have issues with sleep states and such
• 1885[13:40:20] <hans__> uio, uncomment line 127 and 126 and add your name to 126 and reboot and try to hibernate and resume again, is the problem still there? (ps it's a security issue, it will make you able to auto-login without a password, but i still want to know for debugging)
• 1886[13:40:42] <vsayikiran> BCMM: Hi
• 1887[13:40:46] <uio> hans__, Okay. Will try.
• 1888[13:40:46] <BCMM> hi
• 1889[13:40:51] <uio> Hi!
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• 1891[13:41:13] <vsayikiran> BCMM: here is the output taken from pendrive installation of debian 10
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• 1893[13:41:21] <vsayikiran> BCMM: replaced-url
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• 1895[13:41:57] <nvz> I usually just restart lightdm with systemctl restart lightdm on tty1 when it acts up.. been meaning to consider a different dm but havent foold with it yet
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• 1897[13:42:04] <FinalX> ,v nodejs
• 1898[13:42:05] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; bullseye: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; buster: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; sid: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; experimental: 12.8.0~dfsg-2
• 1899[13:43:24] <humpled> i still don't why "can't read lightdm.conf"
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• 1901[13:44:53] <uio> hans__, No display.
• 1902[13:44:55] <BCMM> vsayikiran: ok. it looks like your wifi device is working OK, but isn't currently connected to any network.
• 1903[13:45:02] <BCMM> vsayikiran: have you tried to connect to any networks?
• 1904[13:45:12] <hans__> uio, same as last time?
• 1905[13:45:18] <uio> hans__, It did autologin, but at resume, there is no display.
• 1906[13:45:21] <uio> hans__, Yep.
• 1907[13:45:35] <uio> hans__, Should I reboot and change it back?
• 1908[13:45:49] <humpled> but why does hibernate bring you back to lightdm?
• 1909[13:46:02] <hans__> uio, ctrl+alt+F1 do anything?
• 1910[13:46:20] <hans__> uio, and if it doesn't, does ctrl+alt+F2 do anything?
• 1911[13:46:24] <uio> Because I set the lock I think.
• 1912[13:46:29] <uio> hans__, Yep in tty1
• 1913[13:46:42] <uio> startx?
• 1914[13:46:45] <hans__> no
• 1915[13:46:46] <hans__> hgop
• 1916[13:46:47] <vsayikiran> BCMM: right now my laptop is connected to both wired and wifi, mobile is also connected therefore I am able to chat here
• 1917[13:46:49] <hans__> htop
• 1918[13:46:56] <humpled> but the lock should override the lightdm settings
• 1919[13:46:56] <hans__> uio, do you have htop installed?
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• 1921[13:47:02] <uio> hans__, Yep :)
• 1922[13:47:02] <vsayikiran> BCMM: it is only not working in my pendrive installation
• 1923[13:47:07] <BCMM> ok
• 1924[13:47:14] <BCMM> i'm not really sure if you have a question at the moment
• 1925[13:47:18] <uio> hto
• 1926[13:47:23] <uio> htop is done.
• 1927[13:47:24] <hans__> uio, can you open htop as root, then press F5, then take a screenshot?
• 1928[13:47:41] <uio> sudo htop?
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• 1930[13:47:44] <hans__> y
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• 1932[13:48:16] <uio> hans__, How do I screenshot?
• 1933[13:48:21] <hans__> got a phone nearby?
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• 1935[13:48:27] <uio> hans__, No...
• 1936[13:48:37] <hans__> doh, then im not sure, hmm
• 1937[13:48:48] <hans__> well, pstree -A | pastebinit
• 1938[13:48:51] <uio> hans__, What are you looking for?
• 1939[13:49:06] <BCMM> well, in any case, i have to go now. bye!
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• 1945[13:50:39] <uio> hans__, -bash: pstree : commande introuvable.
• 1946[13:50:47] <uio> 'can't find command'
• 1947[13:50:50] <hans__> uio, well on a healthy system i expect to see something close to this replaced-url
• 1948[13:50:54] <uio> bash -l?
• 1949[13:51:02] <darxmurf> ha! VIM bash indentation plugin is cranky in buster
• 1950[13:51:48] <hans__> uio, type pstree
• 1951[13:51:57] <hans__> literally write "type pstree" , what do you get?
• 1952[13:52:31] <uio> $ type pstree
• 1953[13:52:32] <avu> uio: it's in package psmisc
• 1954[13:52:46] <uio> bash: type: pstree : non trouvé
• 1955[13:52:47] <avu> also, you can just use regular ps to also get a tree
• 1956[13:53:15] <uio> What is this whole bash -l thing?
• 1957[13:53:18] <avu> (with `f`, so something like `ps auxf`)
• 1958[13:53:25] <hans__> uio, well `apt install psmisc` may help but
• 1959[13:54:25] <uio> hans__, paste.debian.net/1098533/
• 1960[13:54:52] <uio> avu, Thanks!
• 1961[13:55:20] <ayekat> replaced-url
• 1962[13:55:41] <uio> ayekat, I can click on the one I posted...
• 1963[13:55:52] <uio> hexchat to FF
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• 1965[13:56:00] <Cypriot> hi i would like to know in command prompt how can i make rename files
• 1966[13:56:13] <avu> Cypriot: with `mv`
• 1967[13:56:16] <Cypriot> old names are too long
• 1968[13:56:44] <Cypriot> one by one?
• 1969[13:56:58] <hans__> uio, i can click on it too, i guess it depends on the irc client, some clients just identify them by starting a string with https?:// , others (like hexchat) try to be smart about auto-detecting links, i guess
• 1970[13:57:15] <ayekat> Cypriot: there is also `rename` for more advanced capabilities
• 1971[13:57:25] <uio> hans__, ayekat Interesting.
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• 1973[13:58:10] <avu> for most of us, it probably depends more on the terminal emulator than on the IRC client ;)
• 1974[13:58:44] <uio> avu lol
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• 1976[13:59:00] <ayekat> I guess so - I'm using urxvt's url-select, which may be a bit limited
• 1977[13:59:18] <hans__> uio, well i'm pretty much out of ideas. i know there are people in #Xubuntu that knows a lot more about XFCE than myself, maybe they could help, but they may not want to help people running something other than Xubuntu, i don't know
• 1978[13:59:42] <ayekat> (then again, I fail to see how one manages to copy only parts of a URL anyway, so ¯\(°_o)/¯)
• 1979[13:59:49] <avu> uio: really, most people who use IRC regularly probably still do so using a remote shell to keep the client running 24/7 and access it from anywhere
• 1980[13:59:58] <uio> hans__, I don't have this issue on my other machine with sam setup. Thanks for your time.
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• 1982[14:00:10] <ayekat> Cypriot: (and as always, the usual warnings about bulk-renaming files apply)
• 1983[14:00:18] <avu> if CTCP wasn't considered so rude, I'd check :)
• 1984[14:00:24] <ayekat> with bulk-renaming, it's easy to shoot yourself in the foot there
• 1985[14:00:33] <humpled> why is it considered rude?
• 1986[14:01:04] <avu> humpled: your guess is as good as mine
• 1987[14:01:15] <uio> ayekat, I'm on two machines. Copying by hand...
• 1988[14:01:35] <hans__> i don't know, but i was making a timezone-based joke to a moderator in linux once, and in preparing for that joke, i TCP TIME'd him, and he banned me from linux for not asking him first, iirc
• 1989[14:01:49] <hans__> (i didn't even know he was a moderator prior to him banning me tho)
• 1990[14:01:59] <uio> hans__, lol
• 1991[14:02:09] <avu> yes, that's not unusual, using CTCP without asking first is a bannable offense in many channels
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• 1993[14:02:19] <hans__> why?
• 1994[14:02:29] <jelly> humpled: pops up in client, can sometimes provide sensitive info about client, is annoying
• 1995[14:02:55] <avu> it's a common feature of the protocol that you can disable in your client if you don't want it though
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• 1997[14:03:00] <uio> hans__, Seeing what happend to Mark100 and his Whoix question here, do you think that Xubuntu will answer debian questions?
• 1998[14:03:06] <jelly> much like unwanted private msg without asking
• 1999[14:03:22] <ayekat> imagine someone walking up to your house and taking a close look at your doorbell, then leaving again
• 2000[14:03:30] <ayekat> and you're just inside observing that
• 2001[14:03:52] <avu> unwanted private message is something completely different for me, since I do want some messages, I can't just disable it completely so easily
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• 2003[14:04:34] <uio> hans__, Sorry, you already commented on that - my bad !
• 2004[14:05:34] <hans__> uio, ??? sorry, i didn't pay attention to Mark100, i have no idea what happened to that guy, and i don't know what you're
• 2005[14:05:40] <hans__> ah whatever, cya later guys, i gotta go
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• 2008[14:06:03] <uio> Well, any other ideas on this display issue? startx tries to do something, but falls back to tty1...
• 2009[14:06:16] <Mark100> user@host:~$ sudo snap install snap-store[sudo] password for user: snap-store 20190829.daf5512 from Canonical✓ installeduser@host:~$ snap-storeWARNING:root:could not open file '/etc/apt/sources.list'Command 'snap-store' is available in '/snap/bin/snap-store'The command could not be located because '/snap/bin' is not included in the PATH env
• 2010[14:06:16] <Mark100> ironment variable.snap-store: command not founduser@host:~$
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• 2012[14:06:30] <Mark100> Damn it didnt retain formatting, sorry
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• 2015[14:07:08] <uio> Hey Mark100 is this about the Whoix question?
• 2016[14:07:31] <Mark100> Yes I am using whonix and i know that this is the debian channel, but whonix channel is dead
• 2017[14:07:36] <Mark100> could anyone help me in PM?
• 2018[14:07:45] <Mark100> just trying to install snap store
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• 2020[14:08:07] <Mark100> would appreciate any help
• 2021[14:08:11] <uio> Is it impolite to paste my detailed question again? I know people have backlogs, but maybe they don't want to go back... What's your opinion?
• 2022[14:09:08] <ayekat> Mark100: "channel is dead"... - that might be a good moment to reconsider your choice of distro, if you heavily depend on community support
• 2023[14:09:11] <uio> Mark100, In my experience... no one will help you. Maybe I'm wrong, but they'll probably just say 'install debian and we'd be delighted to help. Otherwise we can't'.
• 2024[14:09:35] <Mark100> i need the anonymity offered through whonix
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• 2027[14:09:54] <uio> Mark100, They have a forum: replaced-url
• 2028[14:10:03] <Mark100> i feel like the solution to my issue is very simply but i have no experience on linux
• 2029[14:10:09] <Mark100> simple*
• 2030[14:10:12] <HumanSheeple> Hi I have root SSH access to a VPS I want to install a remote GUI on it, what do you recommend?
• 2031[14:10:13] <uio> Mark100, There is ##linux
• 2032[14:10:13] <OerHeks> snap-store is available as snap; sudo snap install snap-store
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• 2034[14:10:30] <Mark100> yes i did that
• 2035[14:10:41] <uio> Hi, recently did an install of Buster XFCE on a laptop and have display issues after hibernation. I had to add "acpi_backlight=vendor" to grub to make the backlight work and I changed the power setting such that closing the laptop causes hibernation. Now display is fine, except after hibernation. Here it shows the login screen, I enter IDs and then black screen. I can access tty, but startx will not work. What might be wrong?
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• 2038[14:12:01] <xeon> me hibernating is not working either,, opensuse fresh installed
• 2039[14:12:15] <diogenes_> uio, have you tried ctrl+alt+f1 and back ctrl+alt+f8
• 2040[14:12:42] <jelly> HumanSheeple: honest opinion: do not put GUI on any remote server. Use GUI locally.
• 2041[14:12:48] <ayew> Mark100 : export PATH="$PATH:/snap/bin bin" should add
• 2042[14:12:55] <ayew> Whoops bad formatting
• 2043[14:13:09] <ayew> Mark100 : export PATH="$PATH:/snap/bi bin" should add
• 2044[14:13:09] <uio> diogenes_, Glad you joined us from your barrel! Let me wee...
• 2045[14:13:15] <HumanSheeple> jelly thank you for the reply I need for gaming live streaming
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• 2048[14:14:05] <uio> diogenes_, ctrl+alt+f7 gets me to the login screen, logining gets me to a blank screen and I have to tty1 again...
• 2049[14:14:48] <diogenes_> uio, ok what is your: lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
• 2050[14:15:05] <Surfer2011> hello can someone help me to find where all my discspace is beeing "burned"? ... quick round up to my system: debian with openmediavault on it and the docker-plugin of omv, 7 containers running with mounted volumes to external discs
• 2051[14:15:22] <ratrace> Surfer2011: install and check out ncdu
• 2052[14:15:42] <uio> diogenes_, pastebinit?
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• 2054[14:16:03] <diogenes_> uio, or /msg diogenes_
• 2055[14:16:50] <Surfer2011> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
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• 2057[14:17:02] <Surfer2011> replaced-url
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• 2059[14:18:27] <diogenes_> uio, oh wow gma500, haven't seen that one.
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• 2063[14:19:25] <diogenes_> uio, have a look at this one: replaced-url
• 2064[14:19:27] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2067[14:21:08] <uio> diogenes_, Interesting.... so there is no solution?
• 2068[14:21:30] <colo-work> I need to rebuild a package from a _previous_ Debian release for buster; is there a quick rundown available on how to best proceed?
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• 2070[14:21:58] <diogenes_> uio, you could try the suggested solution to create the file
• 2071[14:22:06] <Habbie> colo-work, have you found good docs for rebuilding things from a future version? because it's pretty much the same
• 2072[14:22:14] <diogenes_> uio, /etc/pm/config.d/gma500 with this line: ADD_PARAMETERS='--quirk-vbestate-restore'
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• 2075[14:22:38] <uio> diogenes_, Oh, I must have read it wrong. Wait. I didn't see the working file.
• 2076[14:23:04] <diogenes_> there's little hope it would work though.
• 2077[14:23:09] <colo-work> Habbie, I think I can do this once I found the source package for... Debian Squeeze :/
• 2078[14:23:19] <Habbie> !archive
• 2079[14:23:19] <dpkg> hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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• 2081[14:23:30] <uio> diogenes_, Oh, I see. It didn't work for the OP, but might for me. I'll try :)
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• 2086[14:26:20] <colo-work> Habbie, thanks, but how would I properly `apt-get source` for these releases? I'm not even sure where to get the repo's keyrings from
• 2087[14:26:27] <Surfer2011> anyone able to help me
• 2088[14:26:40] <Habbie> colo-work, sorry, can't help right now
• 2089[14:27:09] <colo-work> no worries
• 2090[14:28:24] <karlpinc> Surfer2011: "aptitude clean" should clear out the apt cache.
• 2091[14:29:03] <Surfer2011> command not found
• 2092[14:29:09] <karlpinc> Surfer2011: "apt-get clean" works too
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• 2094[14:29:17] <Surfer2011> did thath
• 2095[14:29:30] <Surfer2011> still not enought discspace
• 2096[14:29:56] <coffeecow> Would any of you argue that there are significant privacy and security advantages to using Debian over Ubuntu? If so could you please elaborate?
• 2097[14:30:03] <karlpinc> Surfer2011: See what's taking up the space then. "du -sh /*", and so forth down the paths until you find the issue.
• 2098[14:30:12] <karlpinc> Surfer2011: Maybe there's some logs you can delete.
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• 2100[14:30:56] <Surfer2011> i tried but i cannot find it replaced-url
• 2101[14:31:04] <Surfer2011> seems like docker?
• 2102[14:31:04] <xeon> Surfer2011: check which fs that directory is on
• 2103[14:31:18] <section1> Surfer2011, you have the root partition full ....try to delete something that is not part of the system..and with command 'du' you can check the dirs size ...
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• 2105[14:31:42] <section1> Surfer2011, /dev/sde2 22G 22G 0 100% /
• 2106[14:31:46] <karlpinc> coffeecow: I don't know ubuntu. Debian might be more secure just because it does not change as often, so you get fewer new bugs.
• 2107[14:31:50] <karlpinc> !stable
• 2108[14:31:51] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
• 2109[14:31:53] <Surfer2011> but there is NOTHING on it ... its Debian + Openmediavault + DockerPlugin + 7 Containers
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• 2115[14:32:44] <section1> Surfer2011, try du and llok for big dirs... maybe /var/log maybe /root etc..
• 2116[14:32:45] <uio> diogenes_, So I can just create a file with that one line? That's all there is to it? The original link is broken...
• 2117[14:32:46] <Surfer2011> i know sde2 is the full
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• 2119[14:32:51] <section1> look*
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• 2121[14:33:12] <Surfer2011> replaced-url
• 2122[14:33:19] <Surfer2011> there is no big dir
• 2123[14:33:36] <Surfer2011> replaced-url
• 2124[14:33:54] <uio> diogenes_, /etc/pm doesn't even exist. Can I just make it?
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• 2126[14:35:02] <diogenes_> uio, yes, you create every single file/folder that doesn't exist.
• 2127[14:35:04] <uio> diogenes_, I made the path, created the file, and added the line.
• 2128[14:35:16] <uio> diogenes_, Do I have to make it executable?
• 2129[14:35:18] <diogenes_> now i guess a reboot would be required.
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• 2131[14:35:29] <uio> diogenes_, Okay.
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• 2134[14:36:09] <uio> diogenes_, Rebooting now.
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• 2136[14:36:58] <Surfer2011> section1: i really don't know how to find the problem i wouldn't be here otherwise
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• 2138[14:37:26] <uio> diogenes_, replaced-url
• 2139[14:37:32] <section1> Surfer2011, yeah its strange.... do you check for delete files ?
• 2140[14:37:52] <diogenes_> uio, that's me :)
• 2141[14:38:09] <uio> diogenes_, I knew it! With some crazy machine inside !
• 2142[14:38:23] <uio> diogenes_, Testing... hibernate....
• 2143[14:38:36] <uio> resume to lightdm...
• 2144[14:38:48] <xeon> delete some files
• 2145[14:38:53] <Surfer2011> what do u mean? delete files?
• 2146[14:39:02] <uio> diogenes_, And... failed login :(
• 2147[14:39:05] <uio> Sigh.
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• 2151[14:39:31] <diogenes_> uio, maybe you could find something useful here: replaced-url
• 2152[14:39:41] <Surfer2011> which files should i delete ... don't think there are any since i only use the docker containers which write to USB drives ... and those are in the system mounted in /sharedfolders
• 2153[14:39:52] <section1> Surfer2011, like big files that are open but have been deleted .. you can check with lsof
• 2154[14:40:39] <section1> lsof -nP | grep '(deleted)' do you get any ouput?
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• 2158[14:42:26] <xeon> Surfer2011: what output from 'df /var/cache/apt/archives/'
• 2159[14:43:44] <Surfer2011> section1: replaced-url
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• 2162[14:44:25] <uio> diogenes_, That stuff is way over my head, but thanks anyway!
• 2163[14:44:34] <Surfer2011> xeon: /dev/sde2 22228816 21841544 0 100% /
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• 2165[14:45:19] <diogenes_> uio, nothing too complicated.
• 2166[14:45:23] <section1> Surfer2011, ok that files are all at 0 bytes...so is not that..
• 2167[14:45:30] <Surfer2011> just lsof is too big to paste in pastebin
• 2168[14:45:44] <uio> diogenes_, Older kernel? Ahhhhhhhhhh!
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• 2172[14:46:35] <karlpinc> Surfer2011: You didn't put a lot of stuff in a mysql db and then delete it? IIRC mysql does not recover deleted space.
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• 2175[14:47:00] <karlpinc> Surfer2011: (Until new rows are added which use the deleted space.)
• 2176[14:47:07] <Surfer2011> docker inspect -f '{{ .Mounts }}' containername tryed that but all are bound to volumes on usb
• 2177[14:47:34] <Surfer2011> karlpinc: yes could be but those are also in a container
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• 2179[14:47:49] <Surfer2011> and the volume the container uses is on a external disk
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• 2181[14:48:36] <Surfer2011> there is a container mariadb which is been used by smarthome devices and sensors logging and stuff but that should not matter ???? or does it matter?
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• 2191[14:54:38] <Surfer2011> hope someone will have an idea what to check or where to find the problem
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• 2194[14:55:44] <jelly> Surfer2011: what does "df -i /|tail -n1" say?
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• 2196[14:56:49] <Surfer2011> /dev/sde2 1419840 191968 1227872 14% /
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• 2199[14:57:22] <section1> the other possibility that im thinking is like some files under a mount ...a dumb example lots of files in /tmp but you don't see it because there is a tmpfs mount in /tmp directory.
• 2200[14:57:29] <jelly> Surfer2011: okay, that's not much. Run du over the whole filesystem, sort usage by size: du -x / | sort -n | tail -n30
• 2201[14:57:39] <jelly> Surfer2011: (run that as root)
• 2202[14:57:43] <xeon> you have file holes perhaps
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• 2204[14:58:03] <jelly> holes do not take space.
• 2205[14:58:31] <Surfer2011> replaced-url
• 2206[14:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1527
• 2207[14:59:03] <jelly> Surfer2011: and there you go, 15GB of stuff in that folder near the bottom of the output.
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• 2209[14:59:27] <Surfer2011> those files all come from rsnapshot failing because it cannot delete something on a ntf-disc even not running as root
• 2210[14:59:37] <jelly> Surfer2011: which, despite its name, is on / filesystem and not a usb disk
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• 2212[14:59:49] <Surfer2011> which do u mean
• 2213[15:00:20] <jelly> Surfer2011: if you need stuff on 15209156 /sharedfolders/0_LaCie/Backups/daily.1/Backup_Bilder
• 2214[15:00:24] <jelly> put it on a different disk.
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• 2216[15:00:32] <jelly> not /
• 2217[15:00:57] <Surfer2011> this /sharedfolders .... is where all external drives are mounted to
• 2218[15:01:16] <Surfer2011> as u can see here replaced-url
• 2219[15:02:06] <jelly> Surfer2011: /sharedfolders/0_LaCie is not the same as the mountpoint /dev/sdd1 1.9T 837G 1.1T 45% /sharedfolders/0_Lacie
• 2220[15:02:09] <Surfer2011> what are those files/folders on top? Volleyball and so on ... are the in memory or? ...
• 2221[15:02:21] <Surfer2011> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
• 2222[15:02:23] <Surfer2011> WOW
• 2223[15:02:26] <jelly> Surfer2011: linux is case sensitive, be careful
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• 2227[15:03:09] <jelly> Surfer2011: du -x ... tells du specifically not to cross mountpoints to other filesystems, and is very useful in situations like this
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• 2230[15:04:13] <uio> I recently did an install of Buster XFCE on a laptop and have display issues after hibernation. I had to add "acpi_backlight=vendor" to grub to make the backlight work and I changed the power setting such that closing the laptop causes hibernation. Now display is fine, except after hibernation. Here it shows the login screen, I enter IDs and then black screen. I can access tty, but startx will not work. What might be wrong?
• 2231[15:04:25] <Surfer2011> so LaCie is the folder and Lacie is the disk?
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• 2234[15:04:55] <jelly> both are folders, but the latter is also a mountpoint
• 2235[15:05:03] <jelly> "yes"
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• 2237[15:05:45] <Surfer2011> jelly: THANKS THANKS THANKS
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• 2239[15:06:44] <hans__> in debian 9 i get segfault when trying to use lrzip level 9, this gives a segfault: echo test | lrzip --level 9 -
• 2240[15:06:54] <hans__> (amd64)
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• 2242[15:07:54] <Surfer2011> jelly: you're my hero ... and also thanks to xeon and section1 for helping me
• 2243[15:08:33] <section1> oh nice finding :)
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• 2250[15:10:00] <uio> How can install an older kernel? replaced-url
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• 2253[15:11:27] <Freneticks> Hey since Debian 10 user need to load some custom variable to acess application. If I do su root adduser, iptables doesn't work anymore
• 2254[15:11:39] <Freneticks> what the params to su to load this env ?
• 2255[15:11:46] <Freneticks> I forgot it
• 2256[15:11:50] <colo-work> just use `sudo`, if you can
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• 2259[15:12:01] <Freneticks> why sudo ?
• 2260[15:12:22] <Freneticks> I don't like it
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• 2262[15:12:33] <Freneticks> I use root for root stuff, user to user stuff
• 2263[15:13:10] <section1> use su -
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• 2265[15:13:15] <diogenes_> uio, first, grab an older debian iso which already has that kernel and try it live with usb stick.
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• 2267[15:13:38] <Freneticks> section1: thanks
• 2268[15:14:01] <kreyren> ,v file go
• 2269[15:14:03] <judd> Package: file on amd64 -- jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u5; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u2; buster: 1:5.35-4; bullseye: 1:5.37-5; sid: 1:5.37-5
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• 2271[15:14:13] <kreyren> ,v go
• 2272[15:14:14] <judd> No package named 'go' was found in amd64.
• 2273[15:14:14] <Surfer2011> i thought this also solved my other problem but seems like it did not
• 2274[15:14:25] <kreyren> ,v golang-go
• 2275[15:14:26] <judd> Package: golang-go on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.3.3-1; jessie-security: 2:1.3.3-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2:1.7~5; stretch-backports: 2:1.11~1~bpo9+1; buster: 2:1.11~1; bullseye: 2:1.12~1; sid: 2:1.12~1
• 2276[15:14:26] <Surfer2011> ERROR: Warning! /bin/rm failed. (on rsnapshot)
• 2277[15:14:37] <uio> diogenes_, One cannot just download an old kernel? My upgraded machine still has the kernel from 9...
• 2278[15:14:38] <Freneticks> section1: what su - do ?
• 2279[15:14:42] <Surfer2011> ERROR: Error! rm_rf("/sharedfolders/0_Lacie/Backups/daily.13/")
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• 2281[15:14:55] <Surfer2011> jelly: another genious hint? :D
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• 2283[15:15:27] <diogenes_> uio, trying an older iso is way less troublesome than installing and older kernel into a newer system.
• 2284[15:15:38] <section1> Freneticks, load user enviroment stuff like PATH
• 2285[15:15:56] <uio> I just don't get how the login screen can display at resume, while login fails.
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• 2287[15:16:16] <Freneticks> cool thanks
• 2288[15:16:35] <section1> np
• 2289[15:16:46] <diogenes_> uio, you can also try a different display manager e.g. gdm and see if it makes any difference.
• 2290[15:16:51] <uio> Also, just a general question, but is it normal for this kind of troubleshooting to take two hours? Been at it for two hours now. (And thanks to those who have been helping)
• 2291[15:17:37] <diogenes_> uio, 2 hours is nothing comparing to other much serious bugs which can take months to fix.
• 2292[15:17:42] <uio> diogenes_, Right. True, but I've also found live iso to have their own pack of issues.
• 2293[15:17:49] <uio> diogenes_, lol
• 2294[15:18:53] <jelly> Surfer2011: if you like/need those backups, fix configuration of your backup software first, then copy everything to the right disk (taking care of permissions, hardlinks, etc), then delete the folder on /
• 2295[15:19:20] <Surfer2011> i allready did this ... all fine and fixed so that is great
• 2296[15:19:23] <jelly> Surfer2011: alternatively, fix configuration of your backup software first, and just manually wipe all of /sharedfolders/0_Lacie
• 2297[15:19:42] <jelly> uh SORRY, NOT THAT
• 2298[15:19:46] <Surfer2011> i just ran the backup again and ran into the above error about not beeing able to remove the oldes backup folder
• 2299[15:20:03] <jelly> /sharedfolders/0_Lacie, the one on /
• 2300[15:20:12] <Surfer2011> i deleted the LaCie ^^ ;-)
• 2301[15:20:30] <jelly> my paste is misbehaving in dangerous ways, sorry
• 2302[15:20:50] <Surfer2011> ERROR: Warning! /bin/rm failed. /// ERROR: Error! rm_rf("/sharedfolders/0_Lacie/Backups/daily.13/")
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• 2304[15:21:06] <Surfer2011> drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Aug 29 04:23 daily.13
• 2305[15:21:24] <jelly> "omg 13 days old backup not existing" issue should disappear in about 13 days.
• 2306[15:21:42] <jelly> when there's a whole set of dailies, in the _right_ place
• 2307[15:21:55] <uio> diogenes_, Apparently gdm died.
• 2308[15:21:57] <Surfer2011> ? don't understan what u said
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• 2311[15:22:45] <Haohmaru> okay i installed debian10 onto the new hdd, now you say i should manually copy (rsync?) certain files from the dying hdd onto it?
• 2312[15:22:55] <Surfer2011> jelly: why can't this dir be deleted?
• 2313[15:23:05] <Haohmaru> /home obviously, the whole /etc ? anything else?
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• 2316[15:23:24] <jelly> Surfer2011: assuming you fixed rsnapshot config, and you did not copy backups from wrong placve to riht place, daily.13 in the correct folder right now simply does not exist.
• 2317[15:23:36] <jelly> Surfer2011: if it does not exist, it can't be deleted.
• 2318[15:23:41] <Surfer2011> it does exist
• 2319[15:23:54] <jelly> Surfer2011: what does "ls -ld /sharedfolders/0_Lacie/Backups/daily.13" say
• 2320[15:24:51] <Surfer2011> replaced-url
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• 2322[15:24:58] <uio> if it resumes to the login, the problem can't be display... like backlight or something...
• 2323[15:25:07] <Surfer2011> drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Aug 29 04:23 /sharedfolders/0_Lacie/Backups/daily.13
• 2324[15:25:07] <uio> are there good alternatives to lightdm?
• 2325[15:25:16] <jelly> Surfer2011: I did not ask for that command.
• 2326[15:25:20] <uio> slim?
• 2327[15:25:26] <jelly> that one line is better, thanks
• 2328[15:25:43] <jelly> Surfer2011: maybe your tool is configured to run as a user other than root?
• 2329[15:26:14] <Surfer2011> how can i check? i tryed running it sudo rsnapshot daily
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• 2331[15:26:30] <diogenes_> uio, afaik slim is dated, not maintained, againa better way would be to try a live system with gnome which has gdm already, or kde which has sddm.
• 2332[15:26:30] <uio> Will CDM lead to a graphical login?
• 2333[15:26:32] <Surfer2011> and it's usually running in cron
• 2334[15:27:02] <uio> cdm is dead too!
• 2335[15:27:17] <uio> RIP cdm, gdm, slim...
• 2336[15:27:18] <Surfer2011> in /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot
• 2337[15:27:49] <uio> lxmd!
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• 2341[15:28:31] <uio> diogenes_, I'm avoiding that, because other than this, the install is good, and this old laptop (1G RAM) would die under Gnome or KDE....
• 2342[15:28:59] <diogenes_> uio, modern kde takes about 600MB of RAM.
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• 2345[15:29:25] <Haohmaru> where's the all-knowing nvz
• 2346[15:29:35] <dvs> ha!
• 2347[15:29:47] <uio> diogenes_,Hmmmm, I just find it runs so well on XFCE.
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• 2349[15:30:02] <uio> I'm giving lxdm a whirl and hoping....
• 2350[15:30:03] <diogenes_> uio, agree, XFCE is the best, i use it too.
• 2351[15:30:24] <diogenes_> then better go with lxqt which has sddm too.
• 2352[15:30:24] <Haohmaru> lxde is bester
• 2353[15:30:37] <Haohmaru> moar bester
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• 2357[15:32:04] <uio> Are there any cli display managers, or is that a nonsense question?
• 2358[15:32:49] <uio> LXDM gave me xscreensaver!!
• 2359[15:32:57] <uio> Nope. Immediate uninstall.
• 2360[15:33:02] <diogenes_> uio, theoretically you can even go without a dm, just use .xinitrc to start your session.
• 2361[15:33:25] <ayew> There are things that render text in the console to run graphical console programs, but I don't think that's what you mean
• 2362[15:33:35] <uio> xscreensaver traumatised me.
• 2363[15:33:45] <uio> What!
• 2364[15:33:52] <uio> It is still there!
• 2365[15:33:55] <uio> Purge?
• 2366[15:34:55] <uio> Sigh. Is there really no good solution to this?
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• 2368[15:35:21] <diogenes_> uio, yes, to use a better supported hardware.
• 2369[15:35:41] <uio> diogenes_, Okay. Right.
• 2370[15:35:47] <diogenes_> you can't just but a windows machine and expect everything to work on linux.
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• 2372[15:36:17] <diogenes_> s/but/buy*
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• 2374[15:36:28] <tradar> systemd-dm and systemd-screensaver are not yet there? ĸeĸ
• 2375[15:36:55] <diogenes_> tradar, xfce4-screensaver is here :)
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• 2378[15:37:25] <uio> diogenes_, True. I did spend two days getting the display to work already, so this is starting to feel a bit long (also in Lubuntu 16.04 I don't recall either of these two issues.... perhaps they have better hardware support than Debian does....)
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• 2381[15:38:48] <diogenes_> uio, it's not that ubuntu has better support, it's just different scope of the distros, unbuntu has its purpose, Debian has its own.
• 2382[15:39:09] <Surfer2011> jelly: any idea
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• 2385[15:39:33] <uio> diogenes_, I'll give Debian stability, for but 'I don't have five days to get my laptop working', I'd say Ubuntu wins...
• 2386[15:39:33] <jelly> !any idea
• 2387[15:39:35] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of rabid goats. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes!
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• 2389[15:40:10] <jelly> Surfer2011: sorry, busy
• 2390[15:40:19] <diogenes_> uio, don't worry, when ubuntu dumps 32bit libs altogether, you gonna run back to Debian :)
• 2391[15:40:19] <Surfer2011> lol ... why should this rsync/rsnapshot not be able to delete this directory
• 2392[15:40:37] <uio> diogenes_, I already AM here.
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• 2394[15:41:47] <ayew> Debian is what I run headless, ubuntu if I drivery need stuff to work, like I put d, gpus, printers etc.
• 2395[15:42:02] <ayew> Input devices* lol
• 2396[15:42:06] <uio> ayew, Probably a sane approach.
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• 2398[15:42:44] <ayew> Was running manjaro before but couldn't be bothered to deal with things breaking.
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• 2402[15:43:47] <uio> ayew, Yeah, I just have other stuff to do... but need this to work, for work.
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• 2407[15:45:13] <Surfer2011> rm: cannot remove 'daily.13/Backup_Bilder/2010 Weihnachten Gosau/Bilder/Bilder Frank II/20121228_142202.jpg': Input/output error
• 2408[15:45:13] <Surfer2011> on a NTFS Drive
• 2409[15:45:20] <Surfer2011> so i need windows to fix this?
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• 2413[15:46:06] <diogenes_> Surfer2011, when i had a similar issue, i just threw that file into the trash bin and emptied the trash, that was the only quick workaround i could find.
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• 2416[15:47:04] <mtn> Surfer2011: have you tried using ntfsfix?
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• 2418[15:47:17] <mallxs> On Gnome i try to set a icon in a Applications->menu but the browse will not allow me to go to /usr/share how do i fix this ?
• 2419[15:48:16] <uio> Do you people just sink as much time as necessary into bugs? I'm sure it's faster for you, as I am a pre-beginer, but how do you deal with system maintenance and the like?
• 2420[15:48:19] <mallxs> is there a just a file that can edit ?
• 2421[15:48:23] <diogenes_> mallxs, i didn't get that, an icon for the application?
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• 2425[15:49:23] <jelly> Surfer2011: errors on NTFS should be fixed from Windows with the native fs check tool.
• 2426[15:49:35] <jelly> ntfsfix is not useful
• 2427[15:49:42] <mtn> it often works fine
• 2428[15:50:09] <jelly> it does not actually fix issues, mostly just resets the flag
• 2429[15:50:10] <mtn> but, sure, using windows is the best choice
• 2430[15:50:13] <mallxs> diogenes_: in Applicatrions->SsystemTools->Preferences->Main Menu i added a menu item and wanne change the icon
• 2431[15:50:38] <diogenes_> mallxs, what you added and how you added?
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• 2434[15:53:27] <mallxs> diogenes_: in Main Menu the New Item button added a executable located in /usr/local/bin and stored the icon file in /usr/share/.....
• 2435[15:54:20] <uio> What hardware doesn't have issues in Debian?
• 2436[15:54:31] <diogenes_> mallxs, is your itel located in: ls $HOME/.local/share/applications
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• 2439[15:55:52] <diogenes_> item*
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• 2442[15:57:15] <mallxs> diogenes_: No its in /usr/share/..... but also the hidden directory .local is not shown in the file browse for the icon so moving it there will not help
• 2443[15:58:03] <uio> I switched to SDDM: lock screen doesn't work (returns to desktop) and resume from suspend just gives the black screen. I assume it skipped the login step. Any other ideas?
• 2444[15:58:07] <diogenes_> mallxs, run: ls /usr/share/applications and see if your item name is listed there.
• 2445[15:58:51] <diogenes_> uio, here you can read about hardware recommendations: replaced-url
• 2446[15:58:57] <n_1-c_k> Possibly offtopic but... since upgrade to 'buster', tails 3.15 running under virt-manager no longer has network access. Help?
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• 2449[16:00:32] <jelly> uio: which de or wm are you using and which screen locker?
• 2450[16:00:50] <uio> Lightdm + XFCE
• 2451[16:01:01] <uio> The non-locking issue was sddm though.
• 2452[16:01:16] <uio> The original issue was with lightdm.
• 2453[16:01:43] <Surfer2011> mnt i did try yes
• 2454[16:01:44] <mallxs> diogenes_: /usr/share/awf/icons/24x24/awf.png its there but thats not the problem.. its is the file browser in Main Menu that does not allow to surf to / or /usr
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• 2456[16:02:20] <mallxs> so i would like to just edit a file somewhere for that menu item
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• 2460[16:03:04] <Surfer2011> but as jelly said it did not help a lot
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• 2462[16:03:24] <uio> jelly, I've switched back to lightdm from sddm, because sddm wouldn't even lock the screen. The issue is that I can't resume from suspend.
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• 2466[16:04:43] <gedia> hello all. can I use reprepro to create a source repository? and how does the syntax differ from when adding binary packages?
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• 2468[16:05:58] <uio> Is there a script I could write to erase this issue? The problem is I don't know what command could help.
• 2469[16:06:13] <uio> I haven't been able to find anything in tty that solves the issue. startx fails.
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• 2478[16:12:07] <uio> Is this issue solvable?
• 2479[16:12:21] <uio> Or is this a change OS or change hardware thing?
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• 2489[16:19:24] <f8e3> how to stop spiped? it shows in netstat -plunt?
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• 2492[16:20:36] <uio> As for the issue with the broken backlight, ubuntu once again had (the start) of an answer: replaced-url
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• 2496[16:21:22] <uio> As in that post, if I click on 'suspend' in the menu, then the resume works fine, however, if I close the lid to cause suspend, then I get the black screen issue!
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• 2522[16:47:36] <mmfood> I'm trying to setup a debian server with btrfs raid1 on luks. Currently it works when both drives are attached, but when I remove one drive cryptsetup is stuck waiting for that device. Is there anyway to set it up so that it skips the waiting if the device is not detected?
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• 2531[16:49:59] <GenTooMan> I am running Debian Buster, any sage advice before attempting to install nvidia drivers on ones machine? I am use to things going wrong with trying to install Nvidia so ... hence the "what will go wrong" attitude. I looked at the information for Stretch (replaced-url
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• 2538[16:52:06] <mmfood> GenTooMan: I've used nouveau with good results before. Any specific reasons why you need the proprietary drivers?
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• 2544[16:57:50] <Fn_Antony> #flood
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• 2551[17:00:54] <dgp> GenTooMan: I haven't had any issues installing the nvidia drivers for a long time. Removing them caused some headache but nothing major
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• 2554[17:01:31] <dgp> GenTooMan: The worse that'll happen is that you need to fix it via a virtual terminal
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• 2567[17:06:55] <yo57> how can I force LUKS1 instead of LUKS2 on debian 10 install?
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• 2572[17:09:27] <Mathisen> yo57, may i ask why ? just curius
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• 2577[17:11:35] <yo57> @Mathisen it doesn't work with my flashed Grub
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• 2581[17:12:58] <abrock> I want to have an encrypted / and swap. Is this partitioning system right? 1. /boot partition ext4 1GB. 2. EFI partition 1GB. 3. encrypted partition which contains a volume group wich contains two volumes, one ext4 for / and one swap partition
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• 2583[17:13:51] <Akuw_> when i do apt-get update i got this replaced-url
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• 2585[17:16:46] <sa-ghosts> Hello, is there a way to change the fallback font in Debian 10 (wayland)
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• 2587[17:17:05] <sa-ghosts> ?
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• 2597[17:21:00] <greycat> Akuw_: replaced-url
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• 2599[17:21:28] <Akuw_> graycat: thanks
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• 2622[17:32:23] <Mathisen> any oh-my-zsh users here ?
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• 2624[17:33:01] <Mathisen> i keep getting " bracketed-paste-magic:zle:47: not enough arguments for -U " when pasting from putty im thinking there has been some update that done this as i did update on login
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• 2630[17:35:58] <Mathisen> and it does not hapen with bash just zsh
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• 2637[17:44:27] <ayekat> Mathisen: how about zsh without omz?
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• 2639[17:46:33] <Mathisen> not really sure how to test that without uninstalling omz
• 2640[17:46:38] <Mathisen> but i guess i can try
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• 2643[17:46:54] <greycat> Is it just something that you dot in from .zshrc or whatever? If so, comment that out.
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• 2647[17:50:09] <Mathisen> just happends with omz regular zsh works fine. trying now to re-install omz
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• 2651[17:50:31] <greycat> #zsh might have better answers
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• 2656[17:51:29] <ayekat> not sure whether the #zsh folks are happy to help with omz-related screwups, though...
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• 2658[17:51:44] <Mathisen> confirmed it is a oh-my-zsh bug. hapends again now i did delete all files for it
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• 2660[17:52:02] <Mathisen> so i guess github here i come to complain :)
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• 2665[17:56:08] <sa-ghosts> is there a way to change the fallback font in Debian 10 (wayland)? (repeated question)
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• 2667[17:58:16] <greycat> Instead of just repeating a bunch of words that nobody understood the first time, go into more DEPTH. Explain what a "fallback font" is. Explain the actual issue you have.
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• 2674[18:05:49] <diogenes_> greycat, i've just come across your wiki on how to use find command, very useful stuff, thanks for composing it! replaced-url
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• 2680[18:07:19] <velix> Is this way for a chrooted ssh jail still fine for buster? replaced-url
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• 2682[18:09:27] <velix> more modern way? replaced-url
• 2683[18:09:51] <greycat> !ssh chroot
• 2684[18:09:51] <dpkg> somebody said ssh chroot was Stop. Read replaced-url
• 2685[18:09:52] <sa-ghosts> greycat, I thought fallback font is self explanatory: as in what the system fallback to in case of a missing font (like in a document)
• 2686[18:10:17] <greycat> sa-ghosts: sounds like some sort of application thing.
• 2687[18:11:08] <sa-ghosts> in x11 it was possible to change it system wide, by changing the ".font.conf" file
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• 2690[18:11:44] <greycat> is that ... actually an X11 thing, or is that a fontconfig package thing?
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• 2692[18:13:05] <sa-ghosts> it's a fontconfig, but according to my understanding of the arch wiki, it's related to x11
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• 2700[18:23:00] <velix> greycat: ok :/
• 2701[18:23:27] <velix> greycat: I think, it takes a year to read replaced-url
• 2702[18:23:35] <velix> 1746 pages
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• 2720[18:32:26] <GenTooMan> mmfood noveau is what I am using but I might be able to get a bit better performance and use Nvidia tools I do need to upgrade this system unfortunately.
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• 2724[18:33:34] <diogenes_> GenTooMan, you can considerably improve nouveau performance too.
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• 2734[18:37:26] <velix> greycat: Can you gimme a more detailed linkP
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• 2761[18:53:17] <mmfood> I am trying to setup a bootable btrfs raid1 on luks. The problem is that if one drive is removed initramfs still wants to mount it. Adding rootflags=degraded to the cmdline gets me to systemd, but only after maxing out the password retries, and systemd fails to an emergency shell. Does debian not use the nofail and timout options for crypttab?
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• 2778[19:00:21] <djohngo> msg NickServ identify i0u7h2h1q7r1g
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• 2782[19:01:08] <diogenes_> another password leaked.
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• 2798[19:11:38] <karlpinc> mmfood: I'm not seeing nofail or timout in "man crypttab". (But this is stretch, not buster.)
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• 2805[19:16:38] <kreyren> ,v dotnet
• 2806[19:16:39] <judd> No package named 'dotnet' was found in amd64.
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• 2809[19:17:50] <kreyren> i need to compile C# from replaced-url
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• 2817[19:24:17] <mmfood> karlpinc: me neither...it is on freedesktops version though. Maybe it is a new thing. Any other way to make initramfs/systemd skip the drive if it isn't present?
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• 2850[19:34:58] <GenTooMan> my biggest issue with nouveau is glitching in rendering systems. Complex rendering environments require consistent behavior. Speed is also also the other issue. nouveau is good enough for simple things but anything more complex than simplistic rendering turns ugly very fast. Granted part of the issue may be the underlying software was designed to be "good enough" without considering the actual correct way to do things (IE code
• 2851[19:34:58] <GenTooMan> first if it looks good it obviously works correctly).
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• 2853[19:37:06] <dgp> It's pretty much the same with any GPU driver that's better than a framebuffer. :(
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• 2859[19:40:05] <karlpinc> mmfood: Dunno. The initramfs scripts are there to be read. (You could also check the bug tracking system.)
• 2860[19:42:22] <jelly> GenTooMan: you are lucky. My biggest issue was whole machine hanging every 3-4 days.
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• 2876[19:52:17] <discovered> Keyboard is not working in the grab and login. I can't even type the password.
• 2877[19:52:59] <karlpinc> mmfood: I' am unclear on why your issue is any different from that of a regular raid1 when a single disk goes bad.
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• 2881[19:53:26] <karlpinc> discovered: Does a vt work?
• 2882[19:53:28] <karlpinc> !vt
• 2883[19:53:29] <dpkg> it has been said that vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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• 2899[19:57:40] <discovered> karlpinc, Only first key press work, like ENTER the grab menu. i can't use the arrow keys to select any grab menu. I had to wait for 5 seconds for time out and login with screen board, then everything work normally.
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• 2904[19:58:52] <karlpinc> discovered: Are you talking about the grub menu?
• 2905[19:59:00] <greycat> I assumed grab = GRUB, yes
• 2906[19:59:08] <discovered> karlpinc, yes
• 2907[19:59:24] <discovered> sorry for misspell
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• 2913[20:02:47] <mmfood> karlpinc: a normal raid array can exist underneath luks so if one disk is missing the raid array containing the luks container can still be assembled and used as a regular drive. But with btrfs each drive needs to be encrypted individually, and then btrfs creates an array from the opened luks containers. So at boot two drices need to be encrypted instead of just one
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• 2916[20:05:17] <discovered> what could be the problem?
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• 2920[20:07:09] <mmfood> *decrypted. So the problem is that, currently, initramfs and systemd requires both drives to be present, since they are mentioned in crypttab.
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• 2956[20:27:35] <SerajewelKS> i didn't think a device being present in crypttab made it mandatory to boo
• 2957[20:27:37] <SerajewelKS> boot*
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• 2961[20:28:13] <Henry151> hi folks, i had replaced-url
• 2962[20:28:36] <jelly> ,v libpcre3
• 2963[20:28:37] <judd> Package: libpcre3 on amd64 -- jessie: 2:8.35-3.3+deb8u4; stretch: 2:8.39-3; buster: 2:8.39-12; bullseye: 2:8.39-12+b1; sid: 2:8.39-12+b1
• 2964[20:28:48] <greycat> sounds like you need kernel headers to compile some module, in which case you should install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
• 2965[20:29:09] <greycat> it's also possible I'm misunderstanding what "kheaders" means
• 2966[20:29:15] <jelly> Henry151: also, which kernel is booted at the time that happens?
• 2967[20:30:08] <Henry151> uname -a gives me "Linux edge 4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u1 (2019-07-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux" does that tell you what kernel i'm running?
• 2968[20:30:34] <Henry151> oh what an idiot i am.
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• 2970[20:30:43] <Henry151> yes, i'm running 4.19.0-5-amd64
• 2971[20:30:51] <jelly> Henry151: yes. You'll probably want to install linux-headers-amd64 or more specifically linux-headers-$(uname -r)
• 2972[20:31:19] <Henry151> i see.. and then will i maybe have to build bcc-tools over again?
• 2973[20:31:30] <jelly> no idea
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• 2975[20:32:11] <Henry151> ok. I did just install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and try running opensnoop.py again and get the same error, so i'll try making it again
• 2976[20:32:24] <Henry151> but that linux-headers item was not installed, so perhaps that was the issue
• 2977[20:32:26] <Henry151> thank you.
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• 2979[20:33:28] <jelly> bcc-tools are used to compile BPF (eBPF) code for the kernel VM of the same name, if I remember correctly
• 2980[20:34:25] <jelly> it's quite possible the interface for passing the compiled results to kernel is so brok^H^H^H^Hin flux that you need to rebuild components with every new kernel
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• 2987[20:35:39] <Henry151> it's way over my head but i like to keep a functioning version of bcc-tools on any server i run, because i have got used to using some of the tools and prefer them over alternatives
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• 2990[20:36:42] <jelly> one can do some rather neat things with eBPF, from what I've read on LWN
• 2991[20:37:01] <Henry151> like opensnoop for example, instead of using lsof of ls /proc/whatever, i like to use opensnoop -p[PID]
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• 2993[20:37:35] <Henry151> from what i've read, it should also be more efficient/not put as big a load on the system as other tools with similar functionality.
• 2994[20:37:57] <Henry151> lsof *or ls /proc/whatever
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• 3109[21:49:30] <jhutchins_wk> Henry151: You might want to look into setting this up with dkms, which will detect kernel upgrades and automatically recompile.
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• 3164[22:26:58] <maxtim> hello, I have debian 10 running on a raspi (kernel aarch64 4.19.0-5-arm64) and I can't seem to get mount.cifs to work. It keeps hanging or I get a kernel panic. I'm not terribly versed in kernel panics, so I'm not sure what to do or how to google things like that.
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• 3167[22:28:01] <maxtim> note, the share is configured correctly as I have tested with both Ubuntu, Debian, and Windows OSs.
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• 3169[22:30:18] <maxtim> The kernel panic for those interested: replaced-url
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• 3172[22:31:21] <shtrb> make sure your cifs-utils is updated to your kernel and samba versions
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• 3175[22:34:35] <velix> Debootstrap really always makes trouble with locales here... even when using "dpkg-reconfigure locales", my locale gets build, but not used.
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• 3179[22:37:47] <greycat> velix: used, when? During the debootstrap, or afterward? Did you create a real, bootable system on real hardware, and then boot it, and then log into it directly? Are you ssh-ing in?
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• 3181[22:38:43] <velix> greycat: Afterward, no real hardware (just a local chroot), "chroot /.../chroot". When setting "export TERM=linux; LANG=de_DE.utf8" anything works as expected. Can write this into .bashrc of course, which makes it work.
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• 3185[22:39:22] <greycat> It is NOT a surprise that it isn't used if you're chrooting into it from a different operating system
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• 3187[22:39:46] <velix> greycat: Why?
• 3188[22:39:52] <greycat> A chroot with no shell specified just runs /bin/bash in the target, which is not a login shell, and which does not go through the login layers, PAM, systemd, etc.
• 3189[22:39:59] <velix> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
• 3190[22:40:07] <velix> thanks
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• 3211[22:49:40] <velix> greycat: I've forced it in /etc/bash.bashrc, since /etc/profile.d/ didn't work.
• 3212[22:49:42] <velix> Works now.
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• 3217[22:52:05] <greycat> velix: because you are not using a login shell.
• 3218[22:52:19] <greycat> "chroot /foo" just runs /bin/bash, not /bin/bash -login
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• 3222[22:52:28] <greycat> or --login or whatever the hell it is
• 3223[22:52:30] <velix> greycat: Oh, I thought bash.bashrc is sourced in /etc/profile
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• 3226[22:52:36] <greycat> velix: nope.
• 3227[22:52:41] <velix> ;)
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• 3229[22:52:51] <greycat> anyway, irrelevant, because you are not reading /etc/profile becauyse you ARE NOT USING A LOGIN SHELL
• 3230[22:53:07] <velix> Yes, I know. But I don't want to use a login shell. It works now as expected. Thanks a lot.
• 3231[22:53:12] <greycat> if you ran "chroot /foo /bin/bash -l" then THAT would be a login shell.
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• 3249[23:02:59] <davorin> evening (o;
• 3250[23:03:10] <davorin> this is odd....
• 3251[23:03:33] <davorin> why would my debian 10 mail server allow v4 connection but refuse v6 connection?
• 3252[23:03:48] <davorin> though v4 and v6 ufw rules allow all port 25/465?
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• 3256[23:04:49] <davorin> aah...forgot to set postfix v6 address?
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• 3260[23:06:08] <davorin> okay..accepts port 25...but not 465
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• 3308[23:38:12] <choon> current version of systemd in debian?
• 3309[23:38:29] <choon> debian buster* ?
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• 3311[23:39:44] <humpled> ,info systemd
• 3312[23:39:45] <judd> Package systemd (admin, important) in buster/amd64: system and service manager. Version: 241-5; Size: 3413.3k; Installed: 13485k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 3315[23:42:48] <maxtim> cifs-utils is correct version. It no longer kernel panics, it just freezes now.
• 3316[23:43:43] <choon> okay,cool & thanks, I would like to see a systemd version that support DNS over TLS
• 3317[23:44:02] <choon> in ubuntu/debian
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• 3319[23:46:39] <StyXman> I have router R with two ifaces, one on network N1 and another on N2; then clients A on N1 and B on N2. both A and B have R as default gw. if I traceroute from A to B or viseversa, I see the hop to R and then Destination Host Unreachable. should I add specific routes from A to N2 and viceversa? I would expct that R would know how to resolve that
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