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90 [00:25:34] <mystic> I'm in the debian room
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106 [00:29:46] <HicksD> SerajewelKS: a nas is prob the best way to go, but you could also consider putting hdd mounting bays into the PC. Then you plug in/remove drives as you need. Some are hot swappable, but I wouldn't really trust hot swapping.
107 [00:30:04] <petn-randall> mystic: congrats
108 [00:30:50] <mystic> Thanks bro
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116 [00:33:31] <petn-randall> mystic: Do you have a Debian support question?
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118 [00:34:52] <mystic> is debian a good os to gently learn deeper linux? if i wanted to move away from gui
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129 [00:37:30] <petn-randall> mystic: Sure, though you can still use a GUI in Debian.
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132 [00:38:07] <mystic> debian is barebones linux?
133 [00:38:40] <petn-randall> You can always install a minimal system, if that's your question.
134 [00:39:13] <mystic> waas just curious.. now i have ubuntu working.. might want to tinker with other os in virtualbox.. set it up and see what i can learn
135 [00:39:21] <Soo_Slow> how can you make some application load by typing its name in terminal? (e.g without full path to its executable). Like 'ls' or 'gimp' or something
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142 [00:42:54] <abrotman> Soo_Slow: they would be in your path
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144 [00:43:02] <abrotman> echo $PATH
145 [00:43:44] <dgp> mystic: no. "barebones" linux fits a kernel and userland in a few megabytes
146 [00:44:04] <mystic> whats kernal and userland
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183 [01:00:20] <Soo_Slow> abrotman, thanks
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237 [01:35:31] <martigan> Hey trying to set up a wireless ap with airbase-ng and dnsmasq for dhcp, when I try to connect to the ap it wont assign an ip and just keeps repeating the same output as you can see here paste.debian.net/1098331. Have been messing with this all day and can't figure it out.
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249 [01:43:22] <magic_ninja> I think I'm going to go to unstable
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254 [01:56:03] <emOne> debian guys need to convince ubuntu guys to make the ubuntu terminal as pretty as debian terminal
255 [01:56:07] <emOne> kthxbye
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257 [01:58:57] <annadane> okay. *shrug*
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259 [01:59:08] <annadane> debian has multiple terminals, you know?
260 [01:59:26] <mystic> only if debain makes the guis as pretty as ubuntus
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262 [02:00:09] <black_13> is there a way to make an application the main application of a linux system instead of say xini
263 [02:00:48] <ZaZaGX> em0ne, actually debian guys are boring. we like things boring, not pretty
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266 [02:01:25] <mystic> you all have boring wives too ?
267 [02:01:50] <ZaZaGX> yes
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269 [02:02:11] <mystic> lol.. gives you time to play with the terminal i suppose
270 [02:02:29] <saptech> we not married
271 [02:02:37] <mystic> even better
272 [02:02:54] <ZaZaGX> debian is more realible and stable than Ubuntu too
273 [02:03:04] <ZaZaGX> thats how we like our relationships
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275 [02:03:23] <mystic> ubutu looks great tho.. so what if it all comes crashing down in the morning
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277 [02:04:02] <ZaZaGX> ubuntu is pretty but is unstable sometimes
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279 [02:04:11] <saptech> debian will still come up in the morning
280 [02:04:20] <ZaZaGX> i dumped ubuntu for debian
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282 [02:05:08] <ZaZaGX> ubuntu 19.04 would once in a while freeze up on me
283 [02:05:10] <mystic> debian does nothing for me. she doesnt even try to stimulate ,e
284 [02:05:13] <mystic> me*
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286 [02:05:29] <ZaZaGX> mystic, you have ot stimulate yourself
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288 [02:06:16] <mystic> 18.04 is pretty stable over all.. and she has them looks & curves. im not ready for a cerebral relationship yet
289 [02:08:35] <ZaZaGX> 18.04 corrupts my firefox, and mess up my screen and than i can't connect to the wifi
290 [02:10:07] <mystic> I don't get them issues. She's a hard mistress, but you know you love the things she does to you
291 [02:10:45] <ZaZaGX> miles will vary for each machine i suppose
292 [02:11:07] <ZaZaGX> i think ubuntu 20.04 LTS would work for my machine. but its not here yet
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294 [02:12:05] <mystic> yea, i skipped 19... i tried it but it was trash. let the beta testers suffer it
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299 [02:13:22] <ZaZaGX> debian is like taylor swift
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301 [02:15:07] <mystic> i dont know anything abotu taylor swift either so i see your point
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303 [02:18:18] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure what to do online
304 [02:19:43] <ZaZaGX> is there any fun debian games?
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307 [02:23:41] <saptech> taylor swift, heh
308 [02:24:02] <mystic> taylor swift simulator
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311 [02:24:35] <saptech> she's nothing but skin & bones
312 [02:24:59] <ZaZaGX> skin is good
313 [02:25:40] <lucifargundam> saptech: i thought you were going to say something about her breaking up with guys
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316 [02:25:52] <mystic> i'll google taylor swfit nude
317 [02:26:08] <lucifargundam> originally, i thought you said taydolf swifler
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319 [02:26:51] <ZaZaGX> you can ask her to netflix and chill
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321 [02:27:23] <mystic> i'm going to bed
322 [02:29:36] <mystic> dont try to stop me
323 [02:29:59] <ZaZaGX> don't go to sleep mystic!!
324 [02:30:32] <mystic> no, it wont work i have to go, stop trying to keep me here
325 [02:30:45] <ZaZaGX> how else are we going to talk about our favorite operating system?
326 [02:30:59] <mystic> the commodore 64? good point
327 [02:31:22] <ZaZaGX> i used to play with that
328 [02:31:36] <mystic> me too.. any favourite games?
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330 [02:31:56] <ZaZaGX> i was a kid. i don't remember the names
331 [02:32:07] <ZaZaGX> i remember taking in command lines to start the games
332 [02:32:21] <ZaZaGX> taking=typing
333 [02:32:35] <mystic> shift+runstop
334 [02:32:40] <mystic> 'press play on tape'
335 [02:33:40] <mystic> found International Karate +
336 [02:33:42] <mystic> Loading
337 [02:33:59] <ZaZaGX> oh i don't remember the cartridges really
338 [02:34:06] <ZaZaGX> i remember the big floppy disks
339 [02:34:29] <mystic> i had cassettes only... the agony
340 [02:35:05] <ZaZaGX> i think i had the Commodore 1541 Floppy Drive
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342 [02:35:43] <mystic> state of the art system you had
343 [02:36:14] <mystic> plus of course the four channel sid chip, 16 colours... better than xbox
344 [02:36:50] <ZaZaGX> i remmeber donkey kong, double dragon, q*bert
345 [02:37:03] <ZaZaGX> old school donkey kong
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347 [02:38:20] <mystic> yea.. or chuckie egg, uridium, elite...
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349 [02:38:50] <ZaZaGX> i remember old school donkey kong was realy hard
350 [02:39:37] <mystic> you had a josytick ?
351 [02:39:40] <ZaZaGX> yup
352 [02:40:06] <mystic> dig it out and get practicing
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354 [02:40:25] <ZaZaGX> i loved the hammer, it was invincible
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357 [02:40:40] <ZaZaGX> oh yeah, that reminds me, i loved dig dug
358 [02:40:57] <mystic> sounds like you like platform games
359 [02:41:33] <ZaZaGX> i don't play anymore games
360 [02:41:43] <ZaZaGX> i had a orginal nintendo switch twice! i sold it twice
361 [02:42:13] <mystic> get a c64 emulator, some good ones around. its funny playing the old games. bruce lee was a good old platformer on c64
362 [02:42:29] <ZaZaGX> i like the turbograx16
363 [02:42:36] <ZaZaGX> miltary madness
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365 [02:43:19] <ZaZaGX> military
366 [02:43:29] <mystic> replaced-url
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368 [02:43:45] <ZaZaGX> OMG
369 [02:44:37] <mystic> replaced-url
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371 [02:45:22] <ZaZaGX> i remember that game was so hard
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373 [02:46:12] <LtL> mystic: I see you got banned in ##linux
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375 [02:46:35] <mystic> for how long?
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378 [02:49:05] <mystic> replaced-url
379 [02:51:26] <ZaZaGX> nice, i remember playing that too! i didn't like that game because my older brother kept kicking my butt
380 [02:52:07] <mystic> thats the idea of the game !
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386 [02:53:55] <ZaZaGX> i remember playing this olympic games
387 [02:54:25] <ZaZaGX> i had to flop that joystick back and forth really fast and i got a arm workout
388 [02:54:35] <mystic> summer games?
389 [02:54:54] <ZaZaGX> i think so
390 [02:54:58] <mystic> i ahd summer games 2 and winter game sand worlrd games & california games
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392 [02:55:25] <mystic> replaced-url
393 [02:55:27] <mystic> good game
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396 [02:56:07] <ZaZaGX> i remember being so sweaty
397 [02:56:36] <mystic> lol\
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399 [02:57:11] <ZaZaGX> swimming was hard too
400 [02:57:35] * dgp guess you guys are lucky one of the stricter ops isn't around..
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404 [02:57:57] <mystic> replaced-url
405 [02:58:04] <mystic> lol.. this was good too
406 [02:58:31] <ZaZaGX> who is the other ops?
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408 [02:59:57] * user99 thinks buster is busted
409 [03:00:21] <ZaZaGX> oh how so user99?
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412 [03:01:21] <user99> well if I intall from a liveDVD 9,5 it works fine and will upgrade....good resolution...
413 [03:01:47] <ZaZaGX> 9,5?
414 [03:01:50] <mystic> ciao ciao
415 [03:02:01] <mystic> ;)
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418 [03:02:16] <user99> but if I go with a 10 live DVD Rs780 doesn't load get no display rez much...won't update and wants to fsck and shit
419 [03:02:34] <ZaZaGX> oh no
420 [03:03:08] <user99> none will let me install lvm
421 [03:03:15] <user99> encrypted or no
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425 [03:05:40] <annadane> user99, maybe try installing using the actual installer
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427 [03:05:43] <annadane> not the live image
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430 [03:07:06] <LtL> user99: a word of advice, some get by installing from a live image but I highly recommend you choose a normal dvd image, perhaps with firmware would be wise.
431 [03:08:54] <user99> # deb cdrom:[Official Debian GNU/Linux Live 9.5.0 gnome 2018-07-14T18:02]/ stretch main
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436 [03:09:44] <Oksana> I run 'objdump -T /usr/lib64/libXext.so.6 | grep XGetRequest' and get '0000000000000000 DF *UND*0000000000000000 XGetRequest'. Why? I have an application not starting due to 'symbol lookup error: /usr/lib64/libXext.so.6: undefined symbol: _XGetRequest'
437 [03:10:14] <user99> LtL, annadane I used a minimal image as well and d'loaded the l;atest no luck
438 [03:10:41] <user99> been at this over a week
439 [03:10:43] <SerajewelKS> HicksD: hotswap works fine on sata. problem is i have no more physical space in the machine and no more sata ports
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441 [03:10:57] <SerajewelKS> HicksD: i can add a pcie sata controller but that doesn't fix the lack of physical space
442 [03:11:10] <SerajewelKS> i may have to go with an iscsi nas or something. more than i was wanting to spend, though...
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444 [03:12:24] <user99> I can have a gentoo on it in a few hours but on this cpu it would take forever
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451 [03:16:46] <user99> david@deb-wrks:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Processor
452 [03:16:46] <user99> model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e
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455 [03:19:21] <annadane> user99, are you on a laptop?
456 [03:19:32] <annadane> i would, as SerajewelKS suggested, use the actual installer with non free firmware
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458 [03:20:05] <user99> anandane, no ...built this thing yeas ago
459 [03:21:24] <annadane> okay. then i don't know
460 [03:21:32] <jvava> dears, I upgrade debian from stretch to buster, each startup it say need gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0, I installed it, but still complain, and some extension such as taskbar does not work, any idea?
461 [03:21:42] <user99> I did not try the installer with the firmware...and that may resolve the display issue
462 [03:22:23] <user99> however....when it does the system update my disks freeze reboot and fsck with lost inodes
463 [03:22:52] <user99> and it never recovers...think I'll run stretch thanks
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473 [03:30:21] <DracoSentien> w00t I am running Debian the first time since Debian Etch and before that Debian Slink. I think Debian is my found again favorite distro.
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475 [03:30:34] <DracoSentien> Solid, stable, fast lots of packages
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477 [03:31:37] <jvava> yes
478 [03:31:49] <jvava> but this buster does not work
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480 [03:32:06] <DracoSentien> jvava: in what way ?
481 [03:32:49] <jvava> each time started, it complains that need libgtop, gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0, but I did install them
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485 [03:34:01] <jvava> and a handful of app does not work, such as extension taskbar, synergy, though if I select gnome-org when login
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487 [03:34:28] <jvava> DracoSentien: I upgrade it from stretch
488 [03:34:36] <DracoSentien> jvava: Debian Buster works for me and I have 1849 packages installed
489 [03:34:54] <DracoSentien> jvava: just backup your home partition then reinstall Debian it is that simple
490 [03:35:22] <jvava> DracoSentien, I will try, thank you
491 [03:35:45] <DracoSentien> no problem
492 [03:37:01] <jvava> I still am afraid of wayland does not support some extensions
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494 [03:39:28] <DracoSentien> I don't use gnome but even the older derived MATE and Englightenment 22 worked fine for me. I have MATE setup to look like MacOSX and I have libwayland etc... installed
495 [03:39:38] <DracoSentien> oops
496 [03:39:44] <DracoSentien> Enlightenment rather
497 [03:40:03] <DracoSentien> gnome feels bloated to me even compared to kde
498 [03:40:34] <user99> I'm using wayland and gnome...but I think it's 3.4 in buster I think it's 3.3
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500 [03:43:00] <user99> nope says Gnome 3.22.2
501 [03:44:53] <Soo_Slow> what does /media/ mount point during disk setup means? What s the purpose of it?
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504 [03:47:55] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: it means like the disk you burned the ISO image to is mounted or maybe the usb disk with firmware is mounted etc.. I am guessing
505 [03:48:02] <magic_ninja> I wonder when kde will be updated on testing.
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508 [03:48:27] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: or cd-rom but newer laptops don't have DVD/CDs roms
509 [03:48:55] <scottj> Is there a way to see what packages I would need to compile a given package?
510 [03:49:13] <annadane> scottj, apt build-dep <package>
511 [03:49:26] <annadane> scottj, or if the package is on github read their descriptions
512 [03:49:37] <Soo_Slow> DracoSentien, but what if I need some partition to contain my own data, accessible for all users? (e.g not /home/). Should I setup any mount point for such partition, or just format it and leave be as is?
513 [03:49:37] <annadane> scottj, the shell will generally complain what you're missing if you don't have it
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515 [03:49:44] <LtL> scottj: the build-essential package should cover everything needed to compile
516 [03:49:55] <annadane> oh, really?
517 [03:50:48] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: I dunno what you mean what you are talking about sounds like NFS
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520 [03:51:53] <DracoSentien> NFS == Network File System
521 [03:52:34] <Soo_Slow> but its located on the very same physical drive
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523 [03:53:22] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: basically, you probably don't want to touch the mounted media drives when you are partitioning your main hard drive or SSD drive to go back to your original question
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527 [03:54:52] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: I not to setup it's own partition I would just change permissions on a directory after install
528 [03:55:53] <DracoSentien> but you don't want to do it from home but I would do it in /usr/local then
529 [03:55:57] <Soo_Slow> lets say I have 1TB HDD. One ext2 partition of like 500mbytes goes for grub. One ext4 of 50GB - for /root. One ext4 of 20GB - for /home. But the rest should turn into one huge ext4 partition, accessible for every user on machine. And I wonder if I should anyhow specify its mount point, or just format it and call it a day
530 [03:55:58] <DracoSentien> or something like that
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536 [03:56:52] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: Sounds like a weird use case. /usr/local/everyone partition maybe ?
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539 [03:57:26] <DracoSentien> then just tweak the permissions after install
540 [03:57:53] <DracoSentien> personally I would put it under /home
541 [03:58:26] <Soo_Slow> DracoSentien, why weird? $HOME is overrated - almost every application poops there their configs and have access to its content. Its only logical to use some other place to store data, at this point
542 [03:59:23] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: nevermind it is not weird /usr/local/everyone sounds good to me
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544 [04:00:23] <Soo_Slow> plus in case something will go wrong or you will wanna change your setup completely - stuff stored in separated partition will stay 'as is'. While stuff inside $HOME will need to go tru some work. I've had one partition for everything (root, home, etc) - it was disaster when something has broke and I've lost ability to boot up properly
545 [04:00:51] <user99> \_('-')-/
546 [04:01:06] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: well do you have some problem with using /usr/local then ? I already suggested that like three times now
547 [04:01:40] <Soo_Slow> DracoSentien, yeah, I've heard you. Sounds fine to me, probably. Thanks - will check if it will do
548 [04:02:01] <DracoSentien> Soo_Slow: that is the sane thing to do IMHO
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609 [05:01:30] <jvava> Is buster named from bustard? what's benefit of it?
610 [05:01:52] <dvs> !buster
611 [05:01:52] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
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614 [05:02:28] <jvava> is there a easy way to degrade it to stretch?
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616 [05:02:40] <dvs> !downgrade
617 [05:02:40] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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619 [05:03:29] <jvava> !rollback
620 [05:04:21] <jvava> dpkg: how about wayland?
621 [05:04:22] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
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623 [05:05:20] <jvava> that is what, I just don't know how.
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654 [06:14:30] <thadtheman> What command do I use to get the name of the source package of an apt package?
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670 [06:34:31] <saptech> thadtheman, good question
671 [06:34:44] <saptech> do you want to install it or search for it first?
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673 [06:35:17] <saptech> "apt-get source packagename" will install the source pkg to build
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675 [06:36:50] <thadtheman> saptech: I don't want to install I just want the name.
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678 [06:38:06] <saptech> I can't figure how to do it
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696 [06:58:52] <CleymSpaze> thadtheman: i would assume "apt-cache showsrc <package>" but "apt --help", "apt-cache help" and the related man pages will tell
697 [06:59:35] <CleymSpaze> you need the source repositories enabled for that to work
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725 [07:23:46] <sa-ghosts> why is the Confirmation code in replaced-url
726 [07:24:16] <CrazyTux> how can I install packages with newer versions on Debian 10?
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732 [07:28:27] <darxmurf> morning
733 [07:28:31] <ZaZaGX> hi
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738 [07:34:59] <blakula> Hello, how much time does it generally take for a package to arrive in stable repo after it has been released, xfce4.14 in this case :)
739 [07:35:29] <annadane> xfce 4.14 won't ever be in buster unless it's backported
740 [07:35:35] <annadane> you'll have to wait for bullseye in 2021
741 [07:35:52] <blakula> omg really? why is that?
742 [07:36:02] <annadane> because stable means frozen
743 [07:36:13] <CleymSpaze> time to squash bugs
744 [07:36:14] <annadane> stable = "stable"
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746 [07:37:17] <blakula> i guess i'll just install it from unstable :)
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748 [07:37:39] <annadane> if you're on stable that will pull in a bunch of dependencies, so i wouldn't do that
749 [07:37:56] <annadane> either use full unstable or live with xfce 4.12 for now, or compile xfce 4.14 yourself
750 [07:38:04] <alkisg> He left...
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752 [07:38:24] <ZaZaGX> lol
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755 [07:38:50] <annadane> should i just memoserv...
756 [07:39:04] <CleymSpaze> why would you run after him?
757 [07:39:19] <annadane> so he doesn't break his system *shrug*
758 [07:39:23] <CleymSpaze> hehe
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760 [07:39:31] <ZaZaGX> maybe she likes him
761 [07:39:42] <CleymSpaze> maybe its time for another maybe :)
762 [07:39:54] <annadane> well, whatever. laziness has prevailed
763 [07:40:04] <annadane> luckily reinstalling isn't hard
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765 [07:40:53] <CleymSpaze> one reason why we put /home in an extra partition
766 [07:41:01] <CrazyTux> anyone here who is using or has used mx linux as well as debian stable?
767 [07:41:14] <CleymSpaze> !meta
768 [07:41:32] <CleymSpaze> ah, meta is undefined. i find that funny
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770 [07:41:53] <CrazyTux> is mx linux as stable and secure as debian stable?
771 [07:41:54] <CleymSpaze> !anyone
772 [07:41:54] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
773 [07:42:16] <CleymSpaze> there you go
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776 [07:42:42] <CrazyTux> mx linux is based on debian stable. But, it contains packages with newer versions also.
777 [07:42:56] <CleymSpaze> what do you try to achieve by asking such questions?
778 [07:43:04] <annadane> it's a perfectly valid question
779 [07:43:04] <CrazyTux> how can I install packages with newer versions on debian 10?
780 [07:43:27] <CleymSpaze> now, yes. the questions before: no
781 [07:43:32] <CrazyTux> for example libre office, firefox etc.
782 [07:43:35] <annadane> using debian 10, not mx linux? replaced-url
783 [07:43:49] <CleymSpaze> so that you can google for him, i see
784 [07:43:50] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
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786 [07:43:56] <annadane> firefox specifically, you can just download from mozilla if you want mainline firefox as opposed to firefox ESR
787 [07:44:25] <CrazyTux> I wanted the opinion of those using Debian 10. That's why I came here.
788 [07:44:34] <CleymSpaze> but why?
789 [07:44:34] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
790 [07:44:47] <annadane> i have not used both, however you can also try ##linux, maybe someone there has
791 [07:44:48] <CleymSpaze> what do you try to gain is my question
792 [07:45:03] <annadane> i have not used both mx linux and debian, i meant
793 [07:45:15] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
794 [07:45:31] * CleymSpaze sighs silently
795 [07:45:38] <CrazyTux> CleymSpaze: newer versions of packages could have newer features.
796 [07:45:49] <annadane> CleymSpaze, it's a very legitimate question, i don't think it needs further explaining
797 [07:45:56] <CleymSpaze> CrazyTux: but they are not well tested in many cases
798 [07:46:25] <CrazyTux> CleymSpaze: what are the disadvantages of using such packages?
799 [07:46:25] <annadane> i *hear* mx linux is quite good in terms of technical quality but that's as much as i know
800 [07:46:40] <annadane> and, yes, the newer packages or software of anything isn't necessarily better
801 [07:46:46] <annadane> depends on one's use case
802 [07:46:56] <CrazyTux> CleymSpaze: I think distros like fedora ship newer versions of packages. But, are they stable and bugfree?
803 [07:46:56] <CleymSpaze> CrazyTux: go play some with annadane
804 [07:47:01] <CleymSpaze> i am out
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806 [07:47:16] <annadane> it totally depends on the package
807 [07:47:24] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
808 [07:47:27] <annadane> free software is generally pretty good technical quality, but it highly depends
809 [07:47:30] <annadane> !sns
810 [07:47:30] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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813 [07:48:10] <CrazyTux> annadane: do you think there is no real reason to use newer packages?
814 [07:48:35] <annadane> most people using debian stable don't need newer stuff anyway and for the things they do then they can use 1 or 2 newer things rather than having to worry about upkeep of a system where everything is new
815 [07:48:39] <CrazyTux> annadane: I am non technical end user. A casual end user. Not a developer.
816 [07:48:51] <annadane> for the most part, you don't need to
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818 [07:49:16] <annadane> the only things i'm using newer are the latest firefox (and even that i support i can live without) and WINE
819 [07:49:24] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok. Does debian have point releases just like Ubuntu LTS and Mint?
820 [07:49:30] <annadane> there are certainly some disadvantages to older programs sometimes, it just depends
821 [07:49:34] <annadane> yes, it does
822 [07:49:45] <annadane> s/support/suppose
823 [07:49:52] <annadane> why is my typing so bad lately...
824 [07:50:02] <CrazyTux> annadane: can you please elaborate on this concept of point releases?
825 [07:50:50] <annadane> so it's mostly good for the people who maintain offline copies of debian systems but essentially it's a culmination of security/bug fixes between point releases
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827 [07:51:05] <annadane> !point release
828 [07:51:06] <dpkg> Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. If you track security updates regularly (as you should!) there will often be no updates for you in the point release. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "apt update && apt full-upgrade". There are no point releases for Debian 10 "Buster" yet; see <9.9>. replaced-url
829 [07:51:07] <CrazyTux> annadane: would you recommend Debian 10 for a Windows user? or would you prefer Mint or Ubuntu for such user?
830 [07:51:19] <annadane> i would certainly recommend debian, yes
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832 [07:51:36] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
833 [07:51:51] <annadane> one caveat is it ships 100% free software by default so if you need non free software like firmware to get your hardware working you'll either have to install it later or use the non free image
834 [07:52:24] <annadane> debian 10 buster is the current "stable", released july 2019, the next stable will be bullseye, releasing in mid 2021 sometime, and the next point release i believe is next weekend
835 [07:52:40] <CrazyTux> annadane: actually I have already downloaded an iso file of Debian 10 Mate non free version.
836 [07:52:42] <annadane> i would certainly subscribe to the debian-announce and debian-security-announce mailing lists
837 [07:53:04] <CrazyTux> annadane: ok
838 [07:53:04] <annadane> replaced-url
839 [07:53:46] <CrazyTux> does Debian have any advantage over Mint?
840 [07:53:52] <ZaZaGX> hmm, maybe a bit difficult to find the wifi drivers for debian for first time users
841 [07:54:13] <annadane> i believe it's of a general higher technical quality, i don't know too much about mint, i know it's had some issues over the years and then apparently got better
842 [07:54:42] <CrazyTux> ok
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844 [07:55:20] <alkisg> The worst thing about Mint is that it doesn't respect the debian poilcy, it writes whatever it wants in /etc and then has to provide an apt wrapper just to prevent `apt full-upgrade` from breaking the system
845 [07:56:07] <alkisg> So for example `apt --yes full-upgrade` doesn't even work in mint as the wrapper doesn't understand --yes there
846 [07:56:10] <annadane> there's a lot of "ubuntu sucks, use mint" and "ubuntu is great for me" and i've heard horror stories of both so i've come to conclude they're both bad and debian is the right choice for computer users generally
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848 [07:57:01] <ilikeyou> annadane: have you tried firefox-developer-edition? I've used it in the past and it has always seemed less buggy and more snappy. I may swap that out for ESR at some point :)
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850 [07:57:08] <annadane> no
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852 [07:57:29] <CrazyTux> annadane: I will try Debian 10.
853 [07:57:54] <annadane> i've considered using ESR and i just concluded the browser is one thing i'd prefer the newer version of
854 [07:58:00] <annadane> ESR is fine for a lot of people but it kinda lags
855 [07:58:01] <Haohmaru> ubuntu is just broken and crippled debian
856 [07:58:07] <annadane> it's obviously better post-quantum
857 [07:58:15] <annadane> but yeah
858 [07:58:22] <CrazyTux> ok
859 [07:58:28] <CrazyTux> will come back later.
860 [07:58:37] <CrazyTux> thanks for all this info.
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863 [08:00:25] <annadane> but dev edition, no. i just use the latest stable
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868 [08:04:02] <magic_ninja_work> I don't get lag with esr
869 [08:04:22] <magic_ninja_work> Also, I run ubuntu on my laptop and it is great. I run debian on my desktop, and it is great.
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872 [08:04:54] <magic_ninja_work> Debian doesn't work for crap on this laptop. Neither does manjaro. Sometimes you just get a system that has the wrong set of hardware.
873 [08:04:55] <annadane> i don't mean lag as in physical lag, just like... new features people you may wan
874 [08:04:56] <annadane> t
875 [08:05:02] <adope> debian is the mother of ubuntu
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877 [08:05:13] <annadane> wow i can't type at ALL
878 [08:05:18] <annadane> new features people may want*
879 [08:05:25] <annadane> feature lag, i guess
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881 [08:06:01] <annadane> it was worse pre quantum when 60 had been out forever and debian users were stuck with 52 but of course the flip side of that is while 60 got faster it also broke people's extensions
882 [08:06:11] <magic_ninja_work> adope, ubuntu is forked from debian unstable. They take an unstable branch and apply their patches, specific software, kernel, etc. It isn't like they tweak debian. They heavily modify it.
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885 [08:06:56] <magic_ninja_work> I use the ESR stuff because I use my machines for work and school. I don't have time to tinker with them and deal with stuff breaking. That is why I'm on linux in the first place.
886 [08:07:08] <annadane> yeah, i hear you. i may switch myself
887 [08:07:17] <magic_ninja_work> Because of stupid windows updates and such, I switched back over.
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889 [08:08:02] <magic_ninja_work> Windows 7 was great. I skipped 8, went to 10. 10 was okay, but the forced upgrades just killed it. I can run what I need in a VM and use everything on linux. And honestly, the Linux ecosystem has better software.
890 [08:08:48] <ilikeyou> Yea those fox updates broke all my extensions, for sure
891 [08:08:57] <magic_ninja_work> KDE, KDE applications Plasma. I can pretty much keep the same windows work flow. Libre Office, Thunderbird, Okular, Hexchat, Pithos, KDE connect, just amazing software.
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893 [08:09:35] <magic_ninja_work> And so far I've designed and installed three control systems with this setup.
894 [08:09:38] <spacekat> :-D linux freedom of choise. It os a good idea to try serveral flavors but remember, when it becomes critical, when you can not affort any downtimes you will be happy to have a rocksolid un breackable debian system it will never let you down
895 [08:10:24] <magic_ninja_work> This laptop would have debian if it weren't for the hybrid graphics stuff.
896 [08:10:30] <magic_ninja_work> Ubuntu does it better.
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898 [08:12:16] <ZaZaGX> debian is pretty stable
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900 [08:12:39] <ZaZaGX> hasn't crashed on me yet. but i do have to complain about the 2 minute slowdown of powering off
901 [08:12:48] <annadane> yeah that's a systemd thing probably.
902 [08:12:53] <annadane> and it can be changed, i just forget how
903 [08:13:35] <ZaZaGX> i'm not even sure how to google that. or will there be a page for that?
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905 [08:13:48] <diogenes_> ZaZaGX, hit esc and see what process is keeping it.
906 [08:14:21] <ZaZaGX> oh ok, it does it sometimes
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908 [08:14:50] <ZaZaGX> it might be my sophos antivirus
909 [08:14:57] <magic_ninja_work> You can press F11 while shutting down and see what is holdin gup the process.
910 [08:15:16] <diogenes_> i also had a delay sometimes and i hit esc and it was showing that cups-browed was keeping the system from shutting down, i disabled it, and it's all fine now.
911 [08:15:22] <magic_ninja_work> It will stop and display a timer sort of thing and let you know where it is holdin gup.
912 [08:15:25] <diogenes_> for you it might be a different process.
913 [08:15:38] <magic_ninja_work> was it esc?
914 [08:15:48] <diogenes_> magic_ninja_work, yes, esc.
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920 [08:21:16] <yans> Hello!
921 [08:21:35] <alkisg> The DefaultTimeoutStopSec= directive of systemd controls how much to wait for shutting down problematic units
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923 [08:21:45] <mi11k1> could somebody please tell me how I can link a blurtooth serial connection to just a regular serial port? Can you just make a symbolic link or something?
924 [08:22:19] <mi11k1> /dev/rfcomm0 to /dev/ttyS? I guess
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932 [08:26:04] <magic_ninja_work> mi11k1, I don't know how to answer your question directly, but you want to catch your incoming bluetooth data stream and use a pipe ( | ) to pipe to to the serial port.
933 [08:26:26] <magic_ninja_work> You don't want to try and symbolic link devices. I'm not sure how to read a stream directly, though.
934 [08:27:13] <annadane> i'm so conflicted, using ESR is the sane choice, i just don't want to lol
935 [08:27:32] <mi11k1> magic_ninja_work: i have a blurtooth serial connection, but the program doesnt have a way to manually put the path, you can just choose com1 -8
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939 [08:28:06] <mi11k1> so, i need to shortcut it or something
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943 [08:31:17] <mi11k1> annadane: no matter what you choose, you will revert a some point in time, and then revert again.
944 [08:31:53] <annadane> i mean i assume mozilla is done messing around with new paradigms
945 [08:31:57] <annadane> everything now is just building on quantum
946 [08:33:05] <ZaZaGX> i thought mozilla is getting rid of quantum? and just calling it firefox?
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954 [08:35:41] <annadane> well ok fine post quantum
955 [08:35:45] <annadane> firefox 57 and later
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957 [08:36:15] <annadane> with how many changes in firefox people aren't happy with i really should just use esr and it's a known quantity
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961 [08:39:25] <humpled> "how many changes people aren't happy with"
962 [08:40:18] <mi11k1> i find that no matter what, there is happy ppl and pissed ppl.
963 [08:40:22] <mi11k1> no matter what
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965 [08:40:46] <ZaZaGX> like whenever facebook does a make over change?
966 [08:41:27] <annadane> yeeeeah well facebook's changes are probably not as innocent as mozilla's
967 [08:41:34] <annadane> whatever, i'll stick to ff stable
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969 [08:42:46] <ZaZaGX> i have an idea! I should make a linux dating website
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971 [08:43:31] <zamuro> I _think_ there was something like that lol
972 [08:43:47] <annadane> nerds don't date
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974 [08:43:54] <annadane> the plan is doomed from its inception
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976 [08:44:43] <ZaZaGX> but i'm not a nerd
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979 [08:47:28] <Haohmaru> didn't hard disks come with the respective data cable included?
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981 [08:47:45] <Haohmaru> i got a new hdd, but i don't have an extra sata cable >:/
982 [08:48:14] <humpled> sad
983 [08:48:22] <mi11k1> haha, happened to me yesterday
984 [08:48:47] <m0rd3cai> hey guys got a question about git repos. im familiar with cloning repos but there is a repo on a local machine and im not sure how to clone it.
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986 [08:48:59] <mi11k1> i usually have 20 in a drawer, but i wasnt at home
987 [08:49:11] <mi11k1> git clone URL
988 [08:49:38] <mi11k1> clone it how?
989 [08:49:48] <ZaZaGX> damn, i was hoping to set up debian users with debian users
990 [08:49:52] <mi11k1> you can push it to git and then clone it
991 [08:50:09] <m0rd3cai> replaced-url
992 [08:51:04] <m0rd3cai> ive tried git clone on the local address and both files but no luck
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994 [08:51:23] <mi11k1> are those public ip's?
995 [08:51:49] <mi11k1> you have to read more about git
996 [08:51:49] <m0rd3cai> no
997 [08:52:19] <mi11k1> i think you have to do something like git init --bare
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999 [08:52:39] <m0rd3cai> thanks, ill look into that
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1001 [08:53:21] <mi11k1> if youre messing with vm's, look into gogs or gitlab
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1009 [08:55:50] <aagh> I just mounted a new HDD as ext4 fs and it works fine but how do I make it accessible to my team members for read+write, I can change the existing folder permissions but they are not inherited to the new folders, any suggestions?
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1013 [08:57:26] <alkisg> aagh: I'm using bindfs to enforce all contents under specific dirs to specific permissions. Normal linux or acl permissions weren't really able to do that.
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1017 [08:59:08] <mi11k1> aagh: share how?
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1019 [08:59:24] <mi11k1> you can chown it 1000:1000
1020 [08:59:51] <aagh> mi11k1 all access the same box for dev purpose, so we use this new drive as a common drive
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1022 [09:00:13] <mi11k1> each person has a login?
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1024 [09:00:39] <aagh> mi11k1 yes, authenticate via AD, it is on Azure
1025 [09:00:53] <mi11k1> im not familiar.
1026 [09:01:04] <mi11k1> thats what group permissions can do
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1032 [09:02:20] <aagh> I did add a group and added users to it but if a new folder or file is created in an existing folder it is not inheriting the parent folder permission, is there is a setting in fstab I need to set to inherit parent folder settigns?
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1034 [09:03:32] <mi11k1> it does that because different people are making files
1035 [09:03:55] <mi11k1> what do they make the files with?
1036 [09:05:03] <aagh> yes but why is the group membership chaging? one instance is to do with conda, it is trying to create some files in a folder but fails due to permissions not being right
1037 [09:05:54] <mi11k1> because you dont put the users in a group, you put the ppl in the group of the hd
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1039 [09:06:37] <mi11k1> i dont know how to explain it, i just get it done.
1040 [09:07:13] <aagh> mi11k1 sorry I dont follow you, can you point me to a resource anywhere?
1041 [09:07:21] <aagh> or I can try a different filesystem
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1043 [09:07:45] <mi11k1> if the harddrive is owned by user:group then you put all the ppl in group and give group read/write permissions
1044 [09:08:27] <mi11k1> u add the group onto each user
1045 [09:08:49] <mi11k1> sudo adduser mike group, sudo adduser john group
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1047 [09:09:21] <Fox> mi11k1: unless every people is in every group that shouldn't work, unless you set stickybit for the group
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1050 [09:10:03] <Fox> mike will write files as mike:mike and john won't access these files unless he is in the mike group
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1052 [09:11:05] <mi11k1> whats the chmod to allow group the proper permissions?
1053 [09:11:07] <Fox> sudo adduser mike everybody_group && mkdir testdir && chmod 666 testdir && chown testdir :everybody_group && chmod g+s testdir
1054 [09:11:10] <mi11k1> i just use mc
1055 [09:11:12] <Fox> that should work
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1057 [09:11:50] <Fox> every file created in testdir will have everybody_group as group
1058 [09:12:27] <alkisg> Guys, group permissions and sticky bits won't work for all levels under a shared dir. ACLs partially work; bindfs and "other file systems" properly work
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1062 [09:13:11] <mi11k1> i would just make everybody use their own computer, i dont share my stuff anymore.
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1066 [09:15:25] <mi11k1> i would just let everybody be root and then all your problems will be gone forever
1067 [09:15:40] <humpled> heheh
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1069 [09:15:51] <humpled> btw +s is setuid, +t is sticky
1070 [09:15:58] <Fox> oups :)
1071 [09:16:08] <mi11k1> busted!
1072 [09:16:11] <annadane> you're all going to get hacked by the monsters under your beds
1073 [09:16:27] <mi11k1> i sleep under the bed
1074 [09:16:58] <Fox> I don't sleep
1075 [09:17:07] <mi11k1> me neither
1076 [09:17:11] <ZaZaGX> i don't believe in getting hacked
1077 [09:17:33] <mi11k1> i do, cause i dont secure anything
1078 [09:17:43] <mi11k1> so far, so good
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1082 [09:19:08] <annadane> set all your passwords to ilikellamasinpyjamas
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1084 [09:19:24] <Habbie> ilikellamasinpyjamaswithnodramas
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1086 [09:19:30] <mi11k1> i cant keep anything intact long enough for it to matter.
1087 [09:20:10] <ZaZaGX> can you hack me?
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1089 [09:20:31] <mi11k1> hack what?
1090 [09:20:36] <ZaZaGX> me
1091 [09:20:48] <annadane> i suspect windows ME is quite hackable yes
1092 [09:20:50] <mi11k1> i can probably get yer wifi if u were like 20 ft away
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1094 [09:21:17] <Fox> i could connect to your wifi if you gave me the password
1095 [09:21:18] <annadane> the hacker gives up in despair as they realize you're actually stupid enough to use windows ME
1096 [09:21:22] <ZaZaGX> i havent used Windows since XP ages
1097 [09:21:22] <Fox> that's social hacking
1098 [09:21:24] <annadane> and your files are safe
1099 [09:21:32] <mi11k1> xp black
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1102 [09:22:36] <mi11k1> it seems like i cant get into the stuff i know the passwords for sometimes.
1103 [09:23:05] <mi11k1> especially now with the 1 capital a number and a special character
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1106 [09:24:33] <mi11k1> or before when most websites didnt care where the . was in your google address, but now they do.
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1108 [09:25:56] <mi11k1> apparently i didnt care where i put the . either.
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1110 [09:27:18] <mi11k1> a windows install is how i benchmark my iscsi and storage
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1113 [09:29:34] <ZaZaGX> what am i watching now?
1114 [09:29:42] <alkisg> irc
1115 [09:30:02] <mi11k1> im watching the | flash
1116 [09:31:03] <ZaZaGX> nope
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1119 [09:32:01] <mi11k1> but, now im watching the battery icon flash.
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1122 [09:33:04] <aagh> anyone use ACLs with ext4, like in replaced-url
1123 [09:33:42] <alkisg> aagh: replaced-url
1124 [09:33:58] <alkisg> ACLs also don't properly inherit everything
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1127 [09:35:12] <mi11k1> aagh: or install cloud9 or something
1128 [09:35:20] <mi11k1> its fun
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1130 [09:36:23] <aagh> alkisg I looked at bindfs, but that is a FUSE fs, it says on the webpage to use ACLs for more control, also I remember if a NTFS filesystem is mounted via SMB protocol, it allows all users read/write if the permissions are set in fstab,
1131 [09:36:45] <aagh> I am after similar functionality
1132 [09:36:50] <mi11k1> smb is cifs
1133 [09:37:07] <mi11k1> you could still do that, and it doesnt need to be ntfs
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1135 [09:37:13] <alkisg> aagh: as I said above, "or other file systems"; yes, ntfs supports mounting all of it with a single uid/gid etc
1136 [09:37:33] <alkisg> aagh: you *don't* want more control, and it's not slow just because it's fuse
1137 [09:37:50] <alkisg> NTFS is also fuse, and it's lots slower and more unstable
1138 [09:38:26] <aagh> alkisg
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1140 [09:39:05] <BCMM> the ntfs-3g driver is not unstable. NTFS might be a relatively fragile filesystem by modern standards, but it's not less safe to write to it from linux than from windows, in this day an age
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1142 [09:39:19] <alkisg> aagh: anyway, it took me a week to realize that bindfs was the solution, just keep it in mind for when other solutions don't look so well :)
1143 [09:39:22] <mi11k1> but, in a way, if youre used to smb, it might just be easier to make a share on the local machine and each person can mount it
1144 [09:39:43] <mi11k1> if thats what u know
1145 [09:40:07] <alkisg> BCMM: ntfs-3g resulted from reverse engineering; bindfs is a proper linux file system that supports everything, it's much more stable compared to ntfs
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1147 [09:40:18] <aagh> alkisg I am not going with NTFS as an option, I was just after the functionality of a cifs, I thought a native FS will offer that, but for ext4 it does not out of the box,
1148 [09:40:32] <mi11k1> yes it does
1149 [09:40:44] <alkisg> aagh: nfs can also offer what you saw with cifs; and again, networking will make it a lot slower than bindfs
1150 [09:40:52] <BCMM> alkisg: oh yeah, it's a ghastly solution if you just want to remove permissions from the equation
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1154 [09:41:45] <aagh> what other fs can I try, It does not have to be ext4
1155 [09:41:59] <mi11k1> maybe its 2k txt files, speed might not matter
1156 [09:42:10] <mi11k1> zfs is fun
1157 [09:42:15] <alkisg> FAT can also be mounted with a single uid/gid. I don't know of any linux file systems that can do that, but there might exist
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1162 [09:43:51] <mi11k1> what if everybody shares the same usb stick? bingo
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1164 [09:44:21] <aagh> mi11k1 I actually have a prod FREEBSD with ZFS on root, love it, but the linux zfs is still in heavy dev, so excluded it
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1166 [09:45:13] <mi11k1> aagh: yah im figuring it out, i have FREEBSD with root on usb and 2 3TB as a mirror
1167 [09:45:45] <mi11k1> then its shared iscsi and have lvm on it.
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1169 [09:46:04] <mi11k1> i couldnt figure out zfs over iscsi
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1174 [09:47:03] <mi11k1> The problem is, storage is a seriously complicated thing.
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1178 [09:48:35] <aagh> never used zfs over iscsi, but the boot environments feature is a killer,
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1180 [09:49:35] <aagh> waiting eagerly for ZFS on linux to become GA, I will switch to it rightaway
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1182 [09:49:44] <mi11k1> aagh: i thought zfs on linux was pretty stable, proxmox uses it
1183 [09:50:40] <mi11k1> its confusing, you can slice it 1000 ways, its whatever floats your boat.
1184 [09:51:12] <aagh> mi11k1 there is a FUZE implementation, but the native one codebase is now same for BSD and linux, they recently aligned upstream, very good news!
1185 [09:51:20] <mi11k1> i like how zfs does the snapshot thing with its own native tool to export and import it
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1188 [09:52:04] <mi11k1> zfs-dkms isnt fuse though i dont think.
1189 [09:52:28] <mi11k1> i actully dont know what im talking about, but i use it, lol.
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1191 [09:53:06] <aagh> this is the native one replaced-url
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1195 [09:55:15] <mi11k1> i have a small problem, i dont actually read stuff.
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1199 [09:57:49] <magic_ninja> how can I restart pule audio?
1200 [09:57:59] <magic_ninja> It seems I'm stuck with a dummy output and my audio has quit working for some reason
1201 [09:58:07] <mi11k1> killall pulseaudio
1202 [09:58:17] <mi11k1> then puleaudio -d i think
1203 [09:58:31] <EoflaOE> magic_ninja pulseaudio --kill and pulseaudio --start
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1205 [09:59:22] <mi11k1> or you can just cut/paste
1206 [09:59:52] <magic_ninja> I can see my device in alsamixer, but it won't work
1207 [10:00:01] <magic_ninja> but I can't see it in pavuctrl
1208 [10:00:13] <mi11k1> bluetooth?
1209 [10:00:20] <mi11k1> what device?
1210 [10:00:38] <magic_ninja> onboard sound
1211 [10:00:52] <mi11k1> did you restart?
1212 [10:01:11] <magic_ninja> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 9 Series Chipset Family HD Audio Controller
1213 [10:01:12] <magic_ninja> yea
1214 [10:01:40] <mi11k1> the gui is kinda silly for pulse,
1215 [10:01:58] <mi11k1> i have problems with the same card, just keep flicking, youll get it
1216 [10:02:18] <magic_ninja> what does that evne mean?
1217 [10:02:21] <mi11k1> in the pulse mixer what is under config tab?
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1220 [10:03:16] <mi11k1> in the pulse mixer just click on stuff until it starts to work
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1222 [10:04:07] <magic_ninja> there it goes
1223 [10:04:13] <mi11k1> did u run pulse as root?
1224 [10:04:21] <magic_ninja> For some reason it was disabled. I don't see why it didn't work in alsamixer, though
1225 [10:04:47] <mi11k1> whenever it doesnt work, just click stuff in the mixer.
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1229 [10:05:13] <mi11k1> in alsa u push "M"
1230 [10:05:28] <mi11k1> it might be muted
1231 [10:05:50] <magic_ninja> it wasn't muted, I did check that
1232 [10:06:03] <magic_ninja> must have been over-ridden by pulse
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1234 [10:06:22] <mi11k1> i dont know, i have a fight with audio everyday, but I know its tricks now.
1235 [10:06:34] <magic_ninja> lol sometimes it gets you like that
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1237 [10:07:01] <mi11k1> my speakers are blown in my laptop, so i uuse a bt speaker.
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1239 [10:08:27] <mi11k1> everyday, i have to mess with it. i was using MX, but i just installed buster with the Qt desktop, and my bt wasnt working, searched the web for 2 hours, then i saw that Conmann thing and i knew it was suspect
1240 [10:08:44] <mi11k1> removed connman, and got me some audio.
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1242 [10:10:12] <mi11k1> i really need to lookup what that button fallback device does.
1243 [10:10:29] <magic_ninja> the lxqt is pretty nice. I like it
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1245 [10:10:55] <mi11k1> have you used MX linux?
1246 [10:10:56] <magic_ninja> I'm a huge fan of kde, though. It didn't take much to perfectly match the work flow I was used to, but more importantly, it is light, clean, and you can customize the crap out of it
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1248 [10:11:04] <magic_ninja> you aren't stuck on a certain workflow
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1250 [10:11:11] <mi11k1> plasma?
1251 [10:12:04] <mi11k1> have you ever tried awesome or ratpoison?
1252 [10:12:28] <mi11k1> you can flow the shit out of those desktops
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1257 [10:14:20] <magic_ninja> na, not a fan of tiling WM's. But yea, plasma, but I use all of the KDE applications I can.
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1259 [10:14:28] <magic_ninja> They are generally pretty good.
1260 [10:14:38] <mi11k1> i love mac workflow
1261 [10:14:45] <magic_ninja> You would like gnome more, then.
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1263 [10:14:59] <mi11k1> well i use mate, its based gnome
1264 [10:15:00] <magic_ninja> I tend to use meta key + cmd a lot
1265 [10:15:12] <magic_ninja> its old gnome. I used to use the older gnome.
1266 [10:15:21] <mi11k1> i cant stand it
1267 [10:15:54] <mi11k1> i tried to install headless buster and tasksel selected desktop and it installed gnome
1268 [10:15:59] <mi11k1> i was pissed
1269 [10:16:16] <magic_ninja> lol I don't have time to tinker with my OS all that much
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1271 [10:16:33] <mi11k1> me neither, just my conkys
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1275 [10:16:59] <jelly> mi11k1: that part of installer (desktop chosen by default in the tasksel step) has not changed in years
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1277 [10:17:14] <magic_ninja> I used to really dislike KDE, back then it was actually the DE.
1278 [10:17:19] <mi11k1> jelly: i know, thats why i was pissed
1279 [10:17:26] <mi11k1> i hate making that mistake
1280 [10:17:47] <magic_ninja> Now, plasma has me hooked
1281 [10:18:01] <mi11k1> i like openbox
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1285 [10:19:10] <magic_ninja> thats a WM
1286 [10:20:00] <mi11k1> then i use tint2 and conky
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1288 [10:20:15] <mi11k1> or plank for a dock
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1291 [10:20:55] <mi11k1> not anymore though, i just pile up windows and then hold the power button when it gets out of hand
1292 [10:21:23] <magic_ninja> you might really like deepin
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1296 [10:21:30] <mi11k1> nope
1297 [10:21:40] <mi11k1> i like fast
1298 [10:22:15] <mi11k1> ii would like to know how deepin makes linux run so slow.
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1302 [10:23:11] <magic_ninja> just use the DE
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1304 [10:23:40] <magic_ninja> It is all their graphics. Deepin desktop environment is nice. They have put a lot of work into stability, but I have not tried it lately
1305 [10:23:57] <mi11k1> its chinese, its spying
1306 [10:24:33] <mi11k1> out of the box, MX is the best linux distro ive used.
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1308 [10:24:47] <mi11k1> i think its xfce, but its modded perfectly
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1313 [10:26:38] <magic_ninja> eh, I don't want to deal with sysV
1314 [10:27:17] <mi11k1> i dont even really know what sysv is.
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1318 [10:28:32] <magic_ninja> ...your init system
1319 [10:28:41] <magic_ninja> on mx that is
1320 [10:28:42] <mi11k1> the only reason i wiped the other day was cause my HD was full and i needed some room, so naturely i wiped it out.
1321 [10:29:45] <mi11k1> all that stuff is mixed up in my head, i dont have time to sort it out.
1322 [10:30:32] <mi11k1> i just install webmin and just make it listen on localhost
1323 [10:31:21] <mi11k1> fast for mounts and samba shares
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1326 [10:31:43] <mi11k1> iscsi, services and iptables
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1329 [10:33:33] <magic_ninja> no fucking way a web server is going up for admin access to my system.
1330 [10:33:47] <magic_ninja> !language
1331 [10:33:48] <dpkg> [language] a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <kali> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>.
1332 [10:33:50] <mi11k1> thats why it only listens on lo
1333 [10:34:14] <mi11k1> and usually its not even running
1334 [10:34:17] <earend1> how do you make it only listen listen on lo?
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1336 [10:34:21] <magic_ninja> nope nope nope
1337 [10:34:30] <mi11k1> in the config on the web guii
1338 [10:34:53] <mi11k1> and if i want to access it remotely i do a ssh portforward of port 10000 to my lo
1339 [10:34:55] <earend1> hm ok.. for webmin that was .. right?
1340 [10:35:04] <mi11k1> yessir
1341 [10:35:09] <earend1> thank
1342 [10:35:30] <earend1> i like mx too.
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1344 [10:35:52] <mi11k1> i dont put webmin on anything that has a public ip.
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1347 [10:37:18] <mi11k1> i know exactly what youre saying, but it saves me so much time, and its a pretty light load these days.
1348 [10:37:22] <earend1> is there some generic concept where services can specify link/binding or what the term is?
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1350 [10:37:55] <mi11k1> earend1: i dont understand
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1352 [10:38:33] <earend1> why for instance is avahi listening on 0:0:0:0 and not on 127.0.0.1 (not sure what it does at all with incoming requests)
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1354 [10:38:58] <mi11k1> so 0.0.0.0 listens on all interfaces
1355 [10:39:23] <mi11k1> 127.0.0.1 and localhost arent exposed to your network interfaces
1356 [10:39:57] <earend1> from what i get it means if the router or iptables wouldn't prevent it, it would be unmasked open
1357 [10:40:20] <earend1> like.. from outside the network
1358 [10:40:23] <mi11k1> usually the service has a config
1359 [10:40:39] <earend1> ok
1360 [10:41:39] <mi11k1> and in the config is generally where you tell it to listen, because you might havve several ip addresess on a machine, and you only want it to bind to one then you can just put the ip
1361 [10:41:50] <earend1> still so much to learn.. like that iptables thing. .. just all that things "ip" handles scares me :)
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1363 [10:42:31] <mi11k1> you generally dont need to use it, cause all the ports are generally closed
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1365 [10:43:03] <mi11k1> the only think i have to touch iptables for is when i want to nat
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1368 [10:43:59] <earend1> but but.. avahi isnt closed. is it? you mean iptables are configured to block it by default?
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1370 [10:44:24] <mi11k1> what is avahi, its a windows discovvery thing isnt it?
1371 [10:44:25] <earend1> it gets mostly installed when u chose to install a desktop manager via installer.
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1376 [10:45:03] <mi11k1> you can just disable it, cause if its blocked, i dont think it does anything, the point of it is to be exposed. i think
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1379 [10:45:57] <DK2> how can i kill a 'D' Process if kill -9 doesnt work?
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1381 [10:46:11] <earend1> but to make that clear: u say all incoming connections are blocked on basic install? and by what mechanism? mi11k1 thx
1382 [10:46:23] <earend1> in advance and for the patience
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1384 [10:46:39] <mi11k1> ports are closed unless something opens it
1385 [10:46:57] <earend1> so when sometthing listens on a port its opened.
1386 [10:47:03] <earend1> right?
1387 [10:47:10] <mi11k1> pretty much
1388 [10:47:14] <earend1> :(
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1390 [10:47:32] <mi11k1> earend1: whats the problem?
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1400 [10:49:11] <mi11k1> if the the service listens for a tcp connection it was probably designed to be connected to from outside, so it wouldnt work if the port was closed.
1401 [10:49:19] <fling> How do I install latest gstreamer on debian 9 ?
1402 [10:49:25] <earend1> i would like to understand what u mean by opening and closing ports. exactly. just opening a port via progamming api would open it? or is some system setting .. like handled by iptables?
1403 [10:49:53] <mi11k1> what programming api?
1404 [10:50:34] <Fox> earend1: foe example if you don't install a webserver to listen on ports 80/443 then these ports will stay closed, that's what mi11k1 is saying
1405 [10:50:57] <earend1> how can i reject all incoming connections .. for instance. regardless of what ports may have been opened by programs in a way i cant monitor it potentially
1406 [10:51:32] <mi11k1> if its designed to listen for remote tcp connections it will probably expose the ports that its configure for.
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1408 [10:51:33] <jelly> earend1: you'd have to set up a local firewall. There isn't one by default.
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1410 [10:51:54] <earend1> can i not do it via a single iptables command .. ?
1411 [10:52:02] <mi11k1> you want to monitor?
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1413 [10:52:08] <earend1> yah?
1414 [10:52:09] <jelly> earend1: in general. no
1415 [10:52:12] <earend1> hehe
1416 [10:52:17] <earend1> i want it all.
1417 [10:52:27] <mi11k1> a router does that
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1419 [10:52:35] <earend1> oh i dont trust my router.
1420 [10:53:00] <mi11k1> i do
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1423 [10:53:45] <earend1> and how does the router do it. when debian is installed on it.
1424 [10:53:50] <earend1> iptables blah
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1426 [10:53:56] <earend1> tell me brudi
1427 [10:53:59] <jelly> earend1: iptables command is a low-level tool. L:oad or save of an existing firewall rule set can be done with iptables-save and iptables-restore, but in general iptables command does adding or removal of single rule at a time
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1430 [10:54:10] <Fox> I think that would do it replaced-url
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1434 [10:55:00] <jelly> there are many higher-level wrappers around iptables. There are also probably some around its newer cousin nftables, too.
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1436 [10:55:50] <earend1> jelly.. yes i installed ufw.. but it.. as well does way more things.. and firejail run progies seems to ignore anything .. firejail connections are not listed by netstat.. i dont understand pams, cgroups, namespaces and slices and what all :(((
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1440 [10:56:07] <earend1> damn i think linux is too complicated for me.
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1444 [10:56:30] <jelly> those are additional layers of separation
1445 [10:56:37] <earend1> i will have to learn how to compile a kernel. and no more installers.
1446 [10:56:41] <ayew> really don't see how its worse than windows
1447 [10:57:09] <ayew> networking stuff requires understanding that is OS agnostic
1448 [10:57:47] <earend1> can u just tel me how to really see all listening ports.. for instance?
1449 [10:57:57] <earend1> like just the command .. no text
1450 [10:58:01] <earend1> or blah :)
1451 [10:58:07] <earend1> i understand that language
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1453 [10:58:29] <jelly> earend1: ss -nl
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1455 [10:58:51] <mi11k1> earend1: replaced-url
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1457 [10:59:05] <earend1> ss wouldn't display firejailed net-spaced thingies though .. right?
1458 [10:59:21] <earend1> is it that different from netstat? since netstat doesnt
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1460 [11:00:02] <jelly> ss shows default net namespace, but you can ask it to show some other net namespace.
1461 [11:00:10] <earend1> mi11k1: u send me a screenshot of some gui? seriously?
1462 [11:00:22] * earend1 weeps
1463 [11:00:26] <jelly> ss is basically the same functionality as netstat, except it's newer
1464 [11:00:27] <earend1> :v
1465 [11:00:28] <mi11k1> thats webmin
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1467 [11:00:39] <fling> how to remove suggested and recommends?
1468 [11:00:48] <mi11k1> thats just to make a base for rules in iptables
1469 [11:00:50] <jelly> caveat: webmin has historically has seriously bad security.
1470 [11:00:55] <earend1> jelly: so ss -nl would show them. right?
1471 [11:01:14] <mi11k1> jelly: thats why it listen on localhost
1472 [11:01:18] <EoflaOE> fling: Do you mean that you don't want to install a package with suggested and recommended packages?
1473 [11:01:34] <jelly> mi11k1: they even had the downloads backdoored recently
1474 [11:01:46] <mi11k1> --no-install-recommends or something
1475 [11:01:54] <fling> want to remove already installed
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1477 [11:02:37] <earend1> jelly: just to make sure .. ss -nl would show me ALL connections/ports
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1479 [11:02:44] <mi11k1> i dont use it on public facing machines, and the service is usually not running anyways.
1480 [11:02:45] <earend1> so i can sigh in peace
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1482 [11:03:23] <jelly> earend1: I don't think it would if you have multiple net namespaces in use. Best ask in #Netfilter
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1486 [11:04:39] <earend1> that's the whole point. u seem to specifically mention namespaces. (which i dont) .. i ask how to monitor all connections. it must be possible. any tool anything that would do that?
1487 [11:04:59] <jelly> earend1: I'd probably look at "ip netns list" and then use ss to show listener sockets in each netns in a for loop
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1491 [11:05:35] <jelly> earend1: other than that, best ask the people more knowledgeable in these tools
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1493 [11:05:55] <earend1> exactly that i tried. and it didnt list firejailed/apparmored things nor any defined namespaces .. while they were definitely active
1494 [11:06:14] <mi11k1> earend1: do you know what snort is?
1495 [11:06:15] <earend1> by whatever technology used ..i dunno
1496 [11:06:20] <earend1> a sniffer?
1497 [11:06:24] <earend1> or so?
1498 [11:06:32] <mi11k1> network intrusion
1499 [11:06:33] <earend1> i will check
1500 [11:06:37] <jelly> earend1: you did "ip netns list" as root, and there was no output?
1501 [11:06:52] <earend1> jelly: exactly
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1503 [11:06:53] <earend1> :/
1504 [11:06:59] * jelly shrugs
1505 [11:07:15] <mi11k1> /sbin/ip ??
1506 [11:07:38] <mi11k1> were you root or sudo ?
1507 [11:07:52] <earend1> oh.. not sure. any preferences on that btw?
1508 [11:08:16] <mi11k1> root seems to have a shorter path now
1509 [11:08:16] <jelly> it does not matter which way you use to run it as root.
1510 [11:08:36] <earend1> oh i did run it as root for sure.
1511 [11:08:41] <mi11k1> every install ive done on buster /sbin is not in roots path
1512 [11:08:41] <earend1> then.
1513 [11:09:09] <earend1> mi11k1: you mean i should explicitely do that call .. ok.
1514 [11:09:31] <mi11k1> was there no output or command wasnt found?
1515 [11:09:58] <earend1> im really wondering guys. you dont run whole clusters of things with debian? i always thought so. hehe.
1516 [11:10:01] <Fox> mi11k1: since buster you need to su -
1517 [11:10:14] <earend1> su -
1518 [11:10:15] <earend1> ?
1519 [11:10:30] <earend1> is compared to root and sudo what
1520 [11:10:33] <mi11k1> ive only been using it for about 4 days
1521 [11:10:39] <earend1> hehe.
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1523 [11:10:56] <earend1> yes. my installations mostly dont survive morer than 2 .. :/
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1525 [11:11:16] <earend1> but im gettin on it. xd
1526 [11:11:43] <fling> ok updated it and now can't login :P
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1528 [11:11:59] <humpled> it?
1529 [11:12:06] <fling> bbb
1530 [11:12:13] <fling> permission denied it says
1531 [11:12:15] <jelly> honestly the largest "cluster of things" I have on debian is mere 7 machines
1532 [11:12:49] <fling> jelly: try lxd
1533 [11:12:53] <mi11k1> earend1: as your regular user do su - and then try the ip command
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1535 [11:13:08] <l3archos> hoi
1536 [11:13:09] <mi11k1> fling: for docker?
1537 [11:13:20] <earend1> well. i would like to block all incoming connection on a single machine. no clue how to do it
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1539 [11:14:04] <earend1> or monitor it. im aware ssh needs an agent.. but what does rlogin telnet use?
1540 [11:14:09] <fling> mi11k1: docker works in lxd, yes. No, for lxd-p2c to migrate debian 7 machines into containers.
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1542 [11:15:15] <mi11k1> earend1: do a port scan from another machine and see if theres ports open
1543 [11:15:38] <mi11k1> earend1: if there is, then you can address it.
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1545 [11:16:37] <mi11k1> earend1: ssh only needs openssh-server daemon running to open 22
1546 [11:16:52] <mi11k1> the agent is for keys or something
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1548 [11:16:59] <earend1> its all spread into config files ..which again are spread into multiple parts of files .. and im totally lost. though i had quite a stable debian stretch installation.. i accidently killed the parrtition table ..and boom. dealing with radeon firmware and buster now. something shoots off the system to hard reset half a second after lightdm login popps up... all i can do is do nomodeset, and then only cli is working
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1550 [11:17:35] <mi11k1> earend1: ive dealt with it too.
1551 [11:17:41] <earend1> earend1: do a port scan from another machine and see if theres ports open -- hey hey... thats a good idea! :) how?
1552 [11:17:52] <humpled> i suggest focussing on one thing at a time
1553 [11:17:55] <earend1> squeezing you for the pro infos xd
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1555 [11:18:55] <earend1> mi11k1: any tool u would recommend to scan ports from remote machine?
1556 [11:19:03] <mi11k1> earend1: nmap
1557 [11:19:08] <earend1> ok. gracias.
1558 [11:19:23] <mi11k1> nmap -Pn targetip
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1560 [11:19:34] <earend1> excellent
1561 [11:19:37] <mi11k1> or zenmap is the gui
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1565 [11:20:03] <mi11k1> if you have an android phone fing does a good job
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1567 [11:20:52] <mi11k1> earend1: what are you trying to hide anyways?
1568 [11:21:22] <mi11k1> if you just leave the door open, nobody comes
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1570 [11:21:50] <mi11k1> you would love wireshark
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1579 [11:25:40] <mi11k1> earend1: nomodeset, lol. thats why you didht like the gui thing i sent.
1580 [11:25:47] <earend1> i just would like to get to some avarage security level and halfways understand it. actually some network administration course would do good. and i guess learning about the kernel would also be a good idea. ip seems like able to do live heart surgery linking things.. and i can get a minimal system. so when unplug the wire it wouldnt use some keyboard dongle to login via bluetooth.. lol
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1582 [11:26:13] <earend1> your computer is a dipol earend1
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1586 [11:26:32] <earend1> faraday cage maybe :P
1587 [11:26:54] <earend1> tinfoil hat is not good against microwave lengh
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1589 [11:27:01] <mi11k1> earend1: what are you guarding?
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1591 [11:27:14] <earend1> my porn collection.
1592 [11:27:35] <ZaZaGX> good answer
1593 [11:27:37] <earend1> actually i just want .. basic privacy.
1594 [11:27:49] <mi11k1> earend1: tinfoill works because my neighbour has it in her windows and i cant even see her wifi with a biquad and its like 30 ft away
1595 [11:28:05] <mi11k1> ZaZaGX: i just wanted him to say it
1596 [11:28:06] <earend1> hehe
1597 [11:28:45] <mi11k1> encrypt the filesystem
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1601 [11:30:56] <mi11k1> just rename the files to like, homework.txt, xmaslist2014.doc
1602 [11:31:38] <ZaZaGX> how about my porn collection
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1604 [11:32:10] <mi11k1> i just have mine on a dlna server
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1606 [11:32:45] <earend1> i really am quite open about my sexual fancies .. its not like that. so its really more to know when i can write a letter to a friend for instance.
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1608 [11:33:05] <mi11k1> what country are u in?
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1611 [11:33:55] <mi11k1> we dont talk like that where i live.
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1613 [11:35:09] <ayew> does anyone know a way to easily be able to switch between different python versions within the same main version (i.e. 3.4 and 3.7) so that I can call them both easily from the cl?
1614 [11:35:33] <ZaZaGX> where do you live?
1615 [11:35:35] <mi11k1> yah, its ggot enviironments somehow
1616 [11:35:52] <earend1> its not necessarily gov .. more like some script-kiddies i seem to have triggred at some point ..potentially on linux my mother is able to hack me. though she doesnt know much about computers.
1617 [11:35:53] <mi11k1> me? canadia
1618 [11:36:00] <earend1> ger
1619 [11:36:26] <mi11k1> germans hide porn?
1620 [11:37:01] <earend1> not at all. it was more a joke.
1621 [11:37:03] <jvava> Dependencies Missing Please install: libgtop, Network Manager and gir bindings
1622 [11:37:18] <earend1> but anyways. must i really explain privacy?
1623 [11:37:22] <mi11k1> apt install -f
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1626 [11:38:04] <jvava> four zero, mi11k1
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1628 [11:38:38] <mi11k1> jvava:?
1629 [11:38:43] <mi11k1> jvava: the score?
1630 [11:38:57] <jvava> yes, apt install -f
1631 [11:39:02] <earend1> who plays?
1632 [11:39:10] <avernos> hi, i am getting rtnetlink answers: operation not supported when i try to delete the interface. its on state DOWN always, cant set it UP. how can i do systemctl delete interfaces?
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1634 [11:39:43] <mi11k1> try ifconfig interface down
1635 [11:40:16] <mi11k1> is the interface in /etc/network/interfaces file?
1636 [11:40:26] <avernos> mi11k1: dont have ifconfig. only have ip
1637 [11:40:42] <earend1> right. here we go.
1638 [11:40:45] <avernos> mi11k1: isnt in interfaces. added it and deleted it a few times
1639 [11:40:48] <mi11k1> iis it in the interfaces file?
1640 [11:41:17] <mi11k1> so add it in the interfaces file
1641 [11:42:03] <mi11k1> then you can bring it up and down with ifup or ifdown
1642 [11:42:16] <avernos> ok
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1644 [11:43:12] <mi11k1> if you have network-manager installed any interface not in that file is managed by it instead and you can use nmtui
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1651 [11:48:20] <avernos> i have network-manager, i've added it to interfaces, rebooted but still same error
1652 [11:48:35] <avernos> nmtui says the connection is not available at this time
1653 [11:48:56] <avernos> mi11k1: perhaps i cant reset it some other way?
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1655 [11:49:45] <mi11k1> remove the entry from interfaces and restart network-manager
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1657 [11:50:06] <earend1> there's nm-cli or so .. for config
1658 [11:50:21] <mi11k1> sudo service network-manager restart and then it will work in nmtui
1659 [11:50:39] <mi11k1> yah, nm-cli is hard work, tui is a simple flick
1660 [11:52:29] <mi11k1> if its in the interfaces file sudo ifup interface should work
1661 [11:53:14] <avernos> could deleted it on nm, but is still on ip l
1662 [11:53:53] <earend1> systemctl restart networking?
1663 [11:54:03] <mi11k1> is it up or down?
1664 [11:54:29] <earend1> there's also a networkctl .. for something .. ifup ifdown ... scripts .. its an orgy.
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1666 [11:54:46] <earend1> promiscous interfaces.
1667 [11:54:53] <mi11k1> youre actually trying to delete the interface or control it?
1668 [11:55:05] <mi11k1> yah, aircrack is fun
1669 [11:55:21] <avernos> trying to delete it, something seems misconfigured, hoping it will kick in auto confi after deleted and rebooted
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1671 [11:55:38] <mi11k1> misconfigured?
1672 [11:55:43] <earend1> yes.
1673 [11:55:47] <mi11k1> how?
1674 [11:55:47] <earend1> misconfigured.
1675 [11:55:57] <earend1> what
1676 [11:56:14] <earend1> u could ask how its configured to run
1677 [11:56:19] <earend1> or should be.
1678 [11:56:32] <earend1> its very easy to make it not work anymore.
1679 [11:56:33] <mi11k1> is it a wired interface that uses dhcp?
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1681 [11:56:47] <earend1> your cat can do that running over the keyboard.
1682 [11:56:52] <avernos> not sure, tried to bridge a network and i think it changed the other interfaces without asking or checking
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1684 [11:57:02] <avernos> it is wired with dhcp
1685 [11:57:15] <mi11k1> were you messing with qemu?
1686 [11:57:37] <avernos> is permanently DOWN, ip link set ens128 up, doesnt do anything
1687 [11:57:52] <earend1> its on my todo list
1688 [11:58:01] <avernos> mi11k1: you know it. livbirt gui..
1689 [11:58:19] <mi11k1> did you delete it out of the gui? the bridge?
1690 [11:58:24] <avernos> did
1691 [11:58:31] <avernos> gui shows nowthing there..
1692 [11:58:54] <avernos> but im guessing it changes somewhere else instead of interfaces file. somewhere in systemd that im unaware
1693 [11:58:57] <mi11k1> sudo service libvirtd stop
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1695 [11:59:13] <earend1> that cgroups pam apparmored parallel os thingies :/
1696 [11:59:45] <mi11k1> add 2 lines to interfaces file line1 allow-hotplug ens128 line2 iface ens128 inet dhcp
1697 [11:59:53] <earend1> well bridged interfaces can at least be identified as promiscous.
1698 [12:00:11] <mi11k1> then do sudo ifup ens128
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1700 [12:00:18] <avernos> service libvirtd stoped. however all virtual nets were off
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1702 [12:00:50] <earend1> ifup --no-script --no-mappoing <iface>
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1704 [12:01:13] <earend1> oh virtual nets okay
1705 [12:01:34] <earend1> how did u turn them off?
1706 [12:01:41] <earend1> in the vm?
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1708 [12:01:55] <avernos> uhm, my interfaces got wiped.. whats the line for loopback ?
1709 [12:01:55] <earend1> is xen cool?
1710 [12:02:06] <mi11k1> auto lo
1711 [12:02:53] <mi11k1> and iface lo inet loopback
1712 [12:03:05] <mi11k1> earend1: i use proxmox
1713 [12:03:48] <avernos> bunch of thanks. trying now. very curious your guess. does the libvirt blocks networks even while all off and deleted? how could..
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1715 [12:04:27] <mi11k1> i dont know, i just went back to virtualbox for its simplicity for messing around
1716 [12:04:33] <earend1> avernos: the /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten as well .. or by default and regularily by nm it seemed
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1718 [12:04:41] <mi11k1> and i use proxmox on a server
1719 [12:04:56] <earend1> no firejail?
1720 [12:04:57] <mi11k1> nameserver 8.8.8.8
1721 [12:05:08] <mi11k1> nameserver 8.8.4.4
1722 [12:05:21] <earend1> no bind unbind or dns proxy?
1723 [12:06:01] <earend1> what are that iscasi thingies. when did it all happen? xd
1724 [12:06:18] <mi11k1> i use iscsi
1725 [12:06:31] <earend1> is it some link to the cloud
1726 [12:06:57] <mi11k1> its shares media as block storage
1727 [12:07:04] <mi11k1> instead of file storage
1728 [12:07:30] <earend1> that would install a parallel webos via malicious acpi entry in some rom?
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1730 [12:08:16] <mi11k1> avernos: if you mess with libviirt, you gotta read the docs, no guessing with that one.
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1732 [12:09:34] <earend1> funny what securrity leak would have, so the news yestereday, allow a fucking website to break or bypass all security efforts .. all encryptions anything.. for 2 years or so.
1733 [12:09:47] <earend1> thanks google found out and warned apple.
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1736 [12:10:12] <earend1> lol. damn chinese spies. do they really want to know it now? (:
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1738 [12:11:01] <avernos> mi11k1: learnt the lesson. no more playing with libvirrt for now until. messed up well
1739 [12:11:03] <avernos> still didnt work
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1741 [12:11:10] <earend1> lol
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1744 [12:11:26] <mi11k1> the interface didnt come up?
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1746 [12:12:03] <mi11k1> try unplugging the ethernet and plugging it back in
1747 [12:12:07] <avernos> no, tries dhcp somehow. but guess no replies at all
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1749 [12:12:14] <mi11k1> thats what the hotplug line does
1750 [12:12:18] <avernos> still stuck with rtnetlink answers: operation not supported when trying to delete the interface
1751 [12:13:02] <earend1> checked cables? restarted rooter? hard-resettet os?
1752 [12:13:19] <mi11k1> its probably your dhcp server
1753 [12:13:22] <avernos> yes
1754 [12:13:26] <earend1> eat your hot-dog on friday?
1755 [12:13:26] <avernos> dhcp works fine
1756 [12:13:44] <avernos> hotdog gone. second coffee coming right up
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1759 [12:14:10] <mi11k1> if its not gettingg a reply the dhcp server is probably at fault
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1761 [12:14:14] <earend1> alright bois. have to go shopping. laters
1762 [12:14:17] <earend1> thx for help
1763 [12:14:17] <avernos> tattoo on forehead not to use libviirt for a while is on TODO
1764 [12:15:01] <mi11k1> powercycle whatever is handing out dhcp
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1769 [12:16:27] <mi11k1> if those lines appeared that it was waiting for a response, in my experience its good to go and theres another issue
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1771 [12:17:36] <avernos> its trying 255.255.255.255 which i think is wrong. but im confused as to where tries that when autoconf doesnt do that
1772 [12:17:43] <avernos> for dhcp
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1775 [12:18:07] <mi11k1> because its willing to take any address
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1777 [12:18:48] <mi11k1> you can change interfaces, change dhcp to static
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1779 [12:19:24] <mi11k1> and add 2 lines....line1 address 192.whatever line2 netmask 255.255.255.0
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1782 [12:20:45] <avernos> nope, either lo or ens128 interface is misconfigured somewhere else
1783 [12:21:10] <mi11k1> do sudo service netwroking restart
1784 [12:21:11] <avernos> coud be some cached systemd conf?
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1786 [12:21:52] <uio> I have Debian XFCE installed on two machines. On the first, with one terminal and hexchat open it's at 700M/3.78G RAM, while on the second one it's at 277M/926 RAM. I know the machines are different, and I likely have a few more applets on the first, but how can there be such a huge difference?
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1789 [12:22:32] <mi11k1> shared video memory?
1790 [12:22:34] <ayew> tried looking in a perfmon like KSysGuard yet?
1791 [12:22:59] <mi11k1> avernos: restart the machine
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1794 [12:23:44] <mi11k1> avernos: theres not really anywhere else. did you try dmesg?
1795 [12:24:08] <mi11k1> dmesg -w can be helpful
1796 [12:24:35] <uio> Is it just because there is more RAM, so it's used?
1797 [12:24:56] <avernos> only relevant thing i see is a complain about driver and another line saying the driver was loaded
1798 [12:25:01] <avernos> on dmesg
1799 [12:25:13] <mi11k1> what driver?
1800 [12:25:17] <avernos> ah, netlink subsys (disabled)
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1804 [12:25:52] <mi11k1> it probaby has to do with that interfaces file being blank
1805 [12:26:01] <avernos> rtl_nic8105 failed to load, r8169 loaded. but this was just same and fine before messed the interfaces
1806 [12:26:27] <mi11k1> u have to install firmware-realtek
1807 [12:26:46] <mi11k1> you have to add non-free to sources
1808 [12:26:58] <avernos> perhaps, but was fine before. and no networking so cant download much
1809 [12:27:32] <mi11k1> what happens if you do ifup lo?
1810 [12:27:45] <avernos> doesnt show any output. how to make that verbose?
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1812 [12:28:42] <mi11k1> ip addr?
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1815 [12:29:25] <mi11k1> you should just restart it
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1818 [12:32:29] <avernos> mi11k1: need a bit. i'm guessing all this play got me blacklisted somewhere, switch or dhcp or whatnot..
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1821 [12:33:05] <uio> .quit
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1831 [12:38:57] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I find conflicting information on installing Virtualbox in Debian 10, some add a bionic repository which seems wrong. Virtualbox website only provide an installation for debian 9, and the debian wiki states that virtualbox is not available, only a backport of an unofficial, unsupported backport of virtualbox from debian unstable... debian wiki only recommends virtual machine manager, which also
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1833 [12:39:03] <Kali_Yuga> seems to be experimental...
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1840 [12:46:37] <Kali_Yuga> I have not used debian for too long so please forgive me if idk something... but I guess no virtualbox? or do I need to install the unsupported backport from debian unstable?
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1848 [12:49:56] * themill would recommend free software instead of virtualbox
1849 [12:50:36] <BCMM> Kali_Yuga: have you read this? replaced-url
1850 [12:52:02] <BCMM> Kali_Yuga: In short, it's not suitable for inclusion in Debian Stable due to lack of long-term security support from Oracle. But if you want to run it anyway, there's an unofficial repo specifically for Debian.
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1852 [12:53:57] <ayew> virt-manager is just a managerment interface, the replacement would be KVM or Xen.
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1856 [12:55:14] <kevr> virt-manager is experimental?
1857 [12:55:17] <kevr> o_O
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1859 [12:55:59] <BCMM> it's an experimental front-end to a very solid backend, if that helps
1860 [12:56:07] <ayew> from the package page: the GUI is still considered experimental.
1861 [12:56:35] <andre144k> hi all.. anyone know a shortcut to change insde "mc" active folder to folder from other window-side? - so that both folders are same?
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1865 [12:57:20] <ayew> mc is midnight commander yes?
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1868 [12:59:06] <kreyren> ,v file CRYPTSP.dll
1869 [12:59:07] <judd> Package: file on amd64 -- jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u5; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u2; buster: 1:5.35-4; bullseye: 1:5.37-5; sid: 1:5.37-5
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1871 [13:01:15] <Kali_Yuga> yes so I either have to build it myself or get the unsupported version from debian unstable k understand. I can give virtual machine manager a go if it does the job though...
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1876 [13:04:18] <user99> are we there yet? :-)
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1882 [13:05:10] <Kali_Yuga> wonder why websites like these recommend adding an ubuntu repository? replaced-url
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1884 [13:05:41] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, most howtos and guides on the internet are bad
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1886 [13:06:15] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, but i don't see this page recommending ubuntu repositories anywhere
1887 [13:06:41] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, in fact this page suggests exactly what you want - a debian buster repo
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1891 [13:07:10] <Kali_Yuga> Habbie: well they say: The VirtualBox packages for Debian 10 Buster and Ubuntu 18.04 bionic are same. That’s why the repository is pointed to bionic.
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1897 [13:08:21] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, ok, but the article itself just tells you to use the virtualbox buster repo, which seems like fine advice to me
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1901 [13:08:24] <Kali_Yuga> which confuses me a little tbh... doesn't say anything about that on the debian wiki
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1910 [13:10:58] <jelly> Kali_Yuga: debian wiki may not be freshly updated
1911 [13:11:06] <Kali_Yuga> as far as I've read is that there is no buster repo
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1913 [13:11:55] <Kali_Yuga> that's why I mentioned that I'm getting conflicting Information here
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1915 [13:12:13] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, there is a buster repo on download.virtualbox.org
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1928 [13:17:08] <Kali_Yuga> Habbie: tbh, I only find packages for strech or I'm missing something
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1931 [13:18:22] <themill> replaced-url
1932 [13:18:32] <themill> But then I'd still recommend free software instead.
1933 [13:19:28] <Habbie> Kali_Yuga, i don't get it - you linked a blog post, with instructions; i've told you those instructions are correct; i have now also tested them and can confirm they are in fact correct
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1943 [13:22:11] <Kali_Yuga> Habbie: sorry, I'm blind apparently. actually I'm looking into Virtual Machine Manager now since it's gpl... but I know now, thanks for the help guys...
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1971 [13:35:56] <jonaus> Hi! Is there a reasonable way to make the volume control thing a bit, for the lack of a better word, softer? I'll explain what I mean. The volume control bar, as it shows up on my screen is a about 5 cm long. The first two millimetres are mute/inaudible. The next millimetre is the relevant sound range, going from barely audible to pretty loud. Beyond that, it's simply way, way, WAY too loud.
1972 [13:36:02] <jonaus> aThis makes it impossible to use the volume control keys on the keyboard, for they move the baere about 1.5 millimeter each time I push it - i.e. makeing it a binary state between mute and painful. Surely, there must be something that can be configured?
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1976 [13:36:23] <jonaus> anyone knows of a simple way to ameliorate this?
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1988 [13:46:55] <ilikeyou> jonaus: I'm no Debian pro, but I feel your pain lol. Look into pulseaudio commands. Can be used in 5 % increments.
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1993 [13:53:21] <diogenes_> ilikeyou, i thought you said you are on Debian Pro hehe.
1994 [13:53:43] <diogenes_> then i'm on Debian Ultimate.
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1997 [13:54:43] <petn-randall> jonaus: You can reduce the maximum volume for your output *device* to something sensible. That's how I did it with my headphone jack.
1998 [13:55:34] <ilikeyou> diogenes_: lmao
1999 [13:55:51] <petn-randall> jonaus: Then the volume range from 0-100% will be what you'll be using.
2000 [13:56:36] <Kali_Yuga> what am I saying vbox also open. not awake yet i think. everythings working. just installed the deb you guys gave me, easiest. should still update the wiki then I wouldn't ask dumb questions ^^
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2005 [13:58:47] <diogenes_> jonaus, you can setup keyboard shortcut with: pactl set-sink-volume @DEFAULT_SINK@ +3%
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2007 [13:59:14] <diogenes_> you can add any number there and it will increase the volume only that much.
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2012 [14:01:35] <ItsMarlin> hi
2013 [14:02:01] <ItsMarlin> i'm trying to use amdgpu, but even with the firmware installed, debian complains about missing firmware at boot
2014 [14:02:28] <earend1> update-ininitrd
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2016 [14:03:09] <earend1> lib1-dri-mesa or so
2017 [14:03:22] <earend1> and xserver-xorg-video-ati
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2019 [14:04:46] <earend1> shit doesn't work here in buster too. but in worked in stretch with 'radeon' driver accel. with non-free firmware
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2021 [14:05:20] <ItsMarlin> hmm, lib1-dri-mesa isn't a thing, it seems
2022 [14:05:42] <earend1> apt search dri mesa
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2024 [14:06:11] <earend1> and eventually firmware-realtek
2025 [14:07:11] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: can you pastebin the relevant dmesg output?
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2027 [14:07:43] <BCMM> earend1: i think you've confused "firmware" and "drivers" with those package suggestions
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2029 [14:08:15] <jonaus> diogenes_: nice, TY!
2030 [14:08:22] <earend1> i definitely confuse both
2031 [14:08:43] <earend1> can u elaborate?
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2034 [14:10:02] <BCMM> earend1: "drivers" are software running in Linux that communicates with hardware, and abstracts that hardware for applications. "firmware" is software that runs on the actual hardware device
2035 [14:10:11] <BCMM> earend1: so graphics firmware, for example, runs on the GPU, not the CPU
2036 [14:10:35] <ItsMarlin> It just says amdgpu kernel modesetting enabled, drm:amdgpu_pci_probe [amdgpu] *error* amdgpu requires firmware installed
2037 [14:10:47] <ItsMarlin> but it is installed already
2038 [14:10:49] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: it doesn't mention the name of the missing firmware file at all?
2039 [14:11:00] <earend1> okay. but what exactly to would u suggest to chage and how
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2041 [14:11:03] <ItsMarlin> weird, because, i had it working before, in another install
2042 [14:11:15] <BCMM> earend1: most hardware has its firmware built-in, but hardware with particularly complicated firmware like graphics cards sometimes needs it to be loaded by the driver during boot
2043 [14:11:19] <ItsMarlin> no, doesn't seem like it mentions it
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2045 [14:11:41] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: hmm, that's odd. usually it would give a name for the missing firmware.
2046 [14:12:04] <earend1> BCMM .. wouldn't apt do that? if not i would need to know
2047 [14:12:28] <earend1> by installing one of that packages above
2048 [14:12:45] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: what kernel are you using? and what firmware have you installed? firmware-amd-graphics?
2049 [14:13:11] <earend1> yes. and the newest buster kernel afaik
2050 [14:13:12] <BCMM> earend1: no, the firmware is often packaged separately from the driver, on Debian.
2051 [14:13:26] <earend1> i get that.
2052 [14:13:35] <BCMM> earend1: this is because the driver is free software, but the firmware (in this case) is a binary blob from the hardware manufacturer
2053 [14:13:44] <earend1> still waiting for a suggestion on what to do.
2054 [14:13:57] <earend1> it would help
2055 [14:13:58] <ItsMarlin> BCMM: this and firmware-linux-nonfree. i'm on the stock 4.19 kernel
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2057 [14:14:57] <earend1> i think i may try that one without 05 or so at end. heard somebody else was helped by downgrading ..
2058 [14:15:28] <BCMM> ItsMarlin: can you pastebin the whole dmesg output?
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2060 [14:15:57] <ItsMarlin> sorry, i'll have to leave for now. i'll try to figure it out
2061 [14:16:16] <earend1> drop me a line if you find out
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2063 [14:16:52] <earend1> interesting theres so many radeon crap around.
2064 [14:17:10] <earend1> you guys have no graphicscard? okay its debian.
2065 [14:17:15] <BCMM> earend1: have you got a problem with your radeon graphics too?
2066 [14:17:24] <earend1> u dont use x-server at all :v
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2069 [14:18:45] <earend1> not sure if its the graphics. but definitely some driver/firmware of the board. its all onboard. harrd system crash shorly after desktop laods .. can see the boo login for 0.4 s
2070 [14:19:06] <BCMM> to be honest, i'm having difficulty understanding you
2071 [14:19:17] <earend1> works in cli only with nomodeset switch..
2072 [14:19:42] <earend1> thats fine. no need to be ashamed
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2077 [14:22:58] <earend1> im afraid my terminogy is very inaccurate also. im a bit dyslexic as well. also my mama droppped on the floor accidently when i was small
2078 [14:24:02] <earend1> but: yeah. radeon works not chef. what do i type in to make it better. i will try that. cant get any desktop to start atm.
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2082 [14:25:27] <earend1> installing that 3 packages is also the suggested solution on debian wiki. aand it worked on stretch 9 ..but only in non-efi installation approved
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2086 [14:27:26] <earend1> could it be i need to sign the driver or something? for efI? ive seen such an option in efibootmgr i believe ..but no clue how to use it qand if at all
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2089 [14:28:54] <earend1> that hard crash .. power off .. seems a severe symptoms
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2097 [14:36:44] <earend1> ppl also point to check if some x dot files in the users home directory have set proper rights.b but the relevant folder seems not have a config set.. is that normal? or somehow related to eventual sudo/root aspect of trouble source?
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2099 [14:37:32] <Fox> BCMM: it's been like that for hours, I stopped trying to understand
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2103 [14:38:35] <earend1> lies
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2179 [15:43:25] <user99> Rs780 is an onboard radwon chip I am having firmware issues with in buster. works fine in stretch and also having hard lock of disks when updating/rebooting
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2183 [15:45:40] <user99> 12724] radeon 0000:01:05.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware radeon/RS780_pfp.bin
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2185 [15:45:57] <user99> works fine in stretch
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2187 [15:46:45] <user99> now I have to get what kernel and firmware pkg in order to use it?
2188 [15:46:51] <user99> with buster
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2192 [15:48:54] <dvs> firmware-amd-graphics?
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2194 [15:49:42] <user99> tried it ...didn't recognize...
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2196 [15:51:06] <user99> I could get 640x 480 abnd 720 x something...but that was as good as I could get ,,,but the main issue was hard locking disks and I dunno how graphics fw is ffixin that
2197 [15:52:52] <user99> I confess to being away a few years ...kind of surprised to see ext4 as recommended on root
2198 [15:53:48] <user99> and 25 GB at that when you have separate /home /var /tmp / seems excessive
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2201 [15:54:08] <davorin> good afternoon (o;
2202 [15:54:18] * user99 waves
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2204 [15:54:56] <davorin> is there a trick to have ufw to allow asterisk to register with an outside sip server?
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2214 [16:00:28] <davorin> ah stupid me (o;
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2216 [16:00:44] <davorin> forget to set bind address from * to 0.0.0.0 after migrating to fixed line (o;
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2219 [16:02:10] <davorin> but still wonder why i get a default route for each ethernet interface
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2226 [16:06:17] <f8e3> i start using systemd to start processes in the server and keeping them alive after ssh closed, me new, what do i need for After=..?
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2230 [16:07:04] <f8e3> i try to start via systemd start/stop thats all
2231 [16:08:26] <avu> you don't *need* anything there, you may want After=network.target if it's a simple standalone service
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2233 [16:09:55] <f8e3> avu do need systemd at all? why not tmux windows openend via .sh script, i have yet to grasp why sysd
2234 [16:10:23] <f8e3> i only manually start restart, sometimes only parts of the process list to be started
2235 [16:11:22] <avu> f8e3: systemd can do much more for you. If you don't actually use any of its features and want to start/restart/stop the service manually at all times, sure, go with tmux or something
2236 [16:11:41] <f8e3> also how to monitor p1,p2,p3 etc, since they dont have a terminal they stdout to, so once i relogin via ssh tmux attach i can see the status
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2238 [16:12:04] <avu> f8e3: journalctl gives you the output of a running servive
2239 [16:12:24] <avu> f8e3: `journalctl -f -u your.service` for example
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2241 [16:13:02] <f8e3> and if it crashes how to be notified via eg email or notify another process (which issuper stable running and reading in the error output of the crashed one)
2242 [16:14:00] <avu> there are several ways to handle this, both detecting and defining what a "crash" is and reacting to it
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2245 [16:14:34] <f8e3> can you point me to it, eg some exit signal and then how to configure what to do, where to put the rule? thus systemd it has Restart= and is linux native
2246 [16:14:44] <avu> none of them have anything to do with Node and everything to do with systemd though, which has its own quite helpful channel over at #systemd
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2250 [16:15:31] <f8e3> avu thank you ok
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2253 [16:17:32] <avu> f8e3: do have a look at OnFailure in systemd.unit(5) though
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2273 [16:28:41] <rmrfchik> hi. vmware-player grabbed all input. is there way to ungrab input without killing vm?
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2281 [16:33:02] <DrJ> rmrfchik: ctrl+alt is the hotkey to release
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2285 [16:35:07] <rmrfchik> DrJ: no help. I think the fact I'm accessing server via VNC (+x11vnc) make things worse
2286 [16:36:05] <rmrfchik> ahhh. releasing take some time. in fact, ctrl+alt helps. thanks, DrJ!
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2288 [16:37:54] <DrJ> rmrfchik: installing vmware tools in the VM often prevents the "hard grab" as well
2289 [16:38:50] <DrJ> also... switch to virtualbox :)
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2291 [16:40:03] <rmrfchik> I've install open-vm-tools
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2294 [16:40:36] <DrJ> honestly, switch to virtualbox
2295 [16:40:50] <rmrfchik> DrJ, I need to migrate my vm to esxi in future. So my admins said "use vmware-player instead of vbox"
2296 [16:40:57] <rmrfchik> I use vbox for personal vms ;)
2297 [16:41:03] <DrJ> okay, good
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2300 [16:41:22] <DrJ> however, a virtualbox vm can be imported into esx just fine
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2303 [16:42:20] <DrJ> honestly I'm not even sure if there is a true benefit of starting with vmware-player over vbox if the end result is a migration to esx
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2305 [16:42:42] <DrJ> still a change of platform even though vmware-player and esx are both vmware
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2329 [16:56:05] <Nong> yo
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2373 [17:23:28] <uio1> Hi. In Buster FF, webrtc (appear.in) is not giving access to cam and mic. This worked before. Any ideas?
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2435 [17:56:02] <jhutchins> Does player do 64b? It didn't a few years ago when I tried it.
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2451 [18:04:42] <jelly> jhutchins, it didn't do x86_64 guests on an x86_64 host with x86_64 player?
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2462 [18:11:58] <ben__> hi
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2485 [18:29:08] <enri> hello
2486 [18:29:40] <enri> after fuulupgrade geting these messages where should i get theese firmwares and how to install?
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2488 [18:29:59] <enri> .W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin for module i915
2489 [18:29:59] <enri> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/bxt_huc_ver01_8_2893.bin for module i915
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2497 [18:37:27] <jelly> judd, file icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin
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2499 [18:37:32] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
2500 [18:37:40] <LtL> enri: did you have contrib and non-free added to your buster sources.list as you upghraded to buster?
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2503 [18:37:49] <jelly> judd, file icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin --release sid
2504 [18:37:53] <judd> No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file.
2505 [18:38:27] <jelly> enri, I suppose you can ask #intel-gfx about those, and what they might be useful for
2506 [18:38:38] <enri> okey thanks
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2508 [18:39:01] <jelly> it might be some extra features, like accelerated en/decoding of video
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2512 [18:40:30] <jelly> enri, does anything actually fail to work?
2513 [18:40:45] <enri> no it seems eveythning alright
2514 [18:40:56] <enri> just you know in case
2515 [18:41:02] <jelly> you can just ignore those, then.
2516 [18:41:23] <jelly> enri, What does a web search say about "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin" ?
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2518 [18:41:41] <enri> not realy heppfull google
2519 [18:41:53] <enri> thats why im asking here :)
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2523 [18:42:20] <enri> already asked on intel channel about this
2524 [18:42:30] <jelly> enri, which debian release is this?
2525 [18:43:17] <enri> debian testing
2526 [18:43:20] <enri> im on kali
2527 [18:43:23] <jelly> there's a possibly related bug #931930 but that's for a 5.2 kernel
2528 [18:43:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2530 [18:43:30] <jelly> !kali
2531 [18:43:31] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2532 [18:43:43] <jelly> enri, we can't support kali in here, sorry
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2534 [18:44:06] <jelly> not testing, for that matter. If you were running regular Debian testing, you could ask in
2535 [18:44:08] <enri> alrighty when i will figureout something :)
2536 [18:44:11] <jelly> !debian-next
2537 [18:44:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2563 [18:58:11] <LtL> next time i ask what the hell they're running
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2599 [19:21:27] <dmar198> I'm trying to set up a tor ssh session on my machine so I can access it remotely. I'm following the guide by tzhenghao on Medium "Go ahead and create an empty directory under /var/lib/tor/<your service folder name>." -- Whenever I try, I'm told permission is denied because the owner is debian-tor. I tried switching to debian-tor but I'm not sure wh
2600 [19:21:28] <dmar198> at that user's pw is. What should I do?
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2610 [19:24:39] <nvz> first of all that is probably a system user that doesn't have a password, you use root for that kinda stuff, secondly, /var/lib/ is not for services
2611 [19:24:49] <nvz> thats what /srv/ or such is for
2612 [19:24:50] <ninja> some best remote desktop clients for debian?
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2614 [19:25:06] <nvz> ninja: x2go
2615 [19:25:39] <ninja> there is no x2go
2616 [19:25:44] <dmar198> thank you nvz, is there a better guide for setting up an ssh server over tor on debian?
2617 [19:25:50] <nvz> ,i x2goserver
2618 [19:25:51] <judd> Package x2goserver (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: X2Go Server. Version: 4.1.0.3-4; Size: 113.9k; Installed: 455k; Homepage: replaced-url
2619 [19:25:56] <nvz> , x2go-client
2620 [19:26:02] <nvz> ,i x2go-client
2621 [19:26:03] <judd> No package named 'x2go-client' was found in buster/amd64.
2622 [19:26:07] <nvz> ,i x2goclient
2623 [19:26:09] <judd> Package x2goclient (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: X2Go Client application (Qt5). Version: 4.1.2.1-2; Size: 1346.2k; Installed: 2689k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2631 [19:27:25] <vertuxt[m]> <ninja "there is no x2go"> What about the built-in GNOME one?
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2633 [19:27:42] <ninja> I don't use gnome xD
2634 [19:28:15] <ninja> installing remmina now
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2638 [19:29:43] <vertuxt[m]> So: apt install gnome ;)
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2640 [19:31:09] <ninja> no way, right after this job done, I'll do apt purge remmina too
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2643 [19:33:43] <vertuxt[m]> Is it an Msft remote?
2644 [19:33:45] <nvz> dmar198: both tor and connect-proxy are in debian
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2647 [19:34:48] <dmar198> but don't I need to create a tor hidden service in order to ssh into my machine over tor?
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2652 [19:38:43] <Elodin> hello, is anyone here running debian on new ryzen 3000 processors?
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2654 [19:40:54] <nvz> dmar198: I don't see what your problem is.. if you can't seem to handle something like becomming root, creating a directory changing ownership of that directory and adding two lines to a config file, then I don't see what use ssh over tor is going to do you
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2657 [19:41:34] <nvz> because that adds not entirely necessary steps to using ssh which as it is, is a shell.. and you've already demonstrated you can't use a shell
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2668 [19:47:31] <vertuxt[m]> Elodin: which Version you're asking for? There might be a bug in mature versions (PS: I dont have a ryzen here)
2669 [19:48:01] <dmar198> nvz, I already created the directory as root, changed the ownership, and added two lines to the config file, and restarted tor, but when I did the next step -- which was to check if a hostname and a private key were created in the new directory -- I found that they were not
2670 [19:48:46] <dmar198> I'm checking my log files now, but I'm not seeing any errors
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2676 [19:51:49] <Elodin> vertuxt[m]: version of Debian? i think the latest? i haven't installed it yet. I'm probing in order to check that out. Cuz apparently if the mother board doesn't come with AMD's agesa patch 1.0.0.3 ABB it causes massive boot failure.
2677 [19:51:52] <nvz> dmar198: what does systemctl status tor say?
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2679 [19:52:08] <nvz> dmar198: systemctl status tor | nc termbin.com 9999
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2683 [19:53:03] <dmar198> it says tor is active and tor.service is loaded and enabled
2684 [19:54:52] <nvz> dmar198: pgrep tor
2685 [19:55:08] <dmar198> 691
2686 [19:55:10] <oats> hello, I'm running debian 9 on my vps and I'm trying to install matrix-synapse, but apt is giving me some version errors that I don't know how to resolve: replaced-url
2687 [19:55:15] <oats> could I get some pointers please?
2688 [19:56:04] <vertuxt[m]> Elodin : IIRC Debian has an patch for the Boot issues
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2692 [19:56:57] <lupine> > matrix
2693 [19:57:01] <lupine> found the problem
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2707 [20:05:04] <Elodin> vertuxt[m]: you mean if i download the latest iso i'll get the patch or do i need to apply it myself/compiling?
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2709 [20:05:57] <vertuxt[m]> I think it should be already applied
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2713 [20:07:29] <Elodin> alright ill try it out.
2714 [20:08:16] <vertuxt[m]> it should be addressed since systemd 241-4 , see Bufg #921267 for Details
2715 [20:08:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2716 [20:10:01] <nvz> dmar198: looks like it logs to /var/log/syslog by default.. and I'm still looking into trying to get it to work myself. I'd had webmin on here, then got rid of it and tried freedombox out and got rid of that.. heh.. turns out I still had plinth (freedombox) tor config files laying around I had to deal with
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2720 [20:10:54] <Elodin> vertuxt[m]: I don't think this is the issue. The issue was, for instance, preventing me to boot liveCDs from latest ubuntu. Ubuntu had a kernel patch but wasn't applied.
2721 [20:11:17] <Elodin> all modules would [FAILED] during boot proccess, but ill try it nevertheless
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2724 [20:12:07] <nvz> oddly enough no amount of apt --purge autoremove *freedombox* or *plinth* or apt purge *freedombox* or such was getting rid of those configs
2725 [20:12:17] <nvz> I had to manually rm -rf all the dirs
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2728 [20:13:20] <vertuxt[m]> Elodin this sounds like SecureBoot enabled in your system?
2729 [20:13:23] <dmar198> nvz, thank you, I appreciate your trying to work this out as well
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2731 [20:13:48] <dmar198> I checked syslog earlier and there were no errors reported upon restarting tor
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2734 [20:14:59] <dmar198> I'm trying to see what happens if I reboot the system now
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2736 [20:15:26] <dmar198> alas, that too did not result in a private key or a hostname appearing in the folder I'm trying to get them to appear in
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2738 [20:15:39] <nvz> well for the most part I think tor is just stupid cause I'd tried it ages ago and all it did was make my connections slow as snail shit and confuse services that try detect language.. but I do know just how serious the privacy situation is now.. so I figure it doesn't hurt to take another look :P
2739 [20:16:12] <nvz> dmar198: yeah I wouldnt imagine it would.. I did notice however systemctl stop or restart doesn't kill the server.. I had to kill it manually
2740 [20:16:21] <nvz> but it still didnt create those files
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2745 [20:17:21] <Elodin> vertuxt[m]: this: replaced-url
2746 [20:17:28] <dmar198> do you know somewhere that would be appropriate to ask? Is there a #tor channel?
2747 [20:17:49] <nvz> dmar198: what distro/OS are you using on both sides?
2748 [20:18:02] <tomreyn> there is #tor on oftc
2749 [20:18:21] <dmar198> I'm using debian buster on the server and a custom variant of debian on the client
2750 [20:18:21] <nvz> upstream isnt usually the best place to go for a debian issue
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2752 [20:19:03] <dmar198> the server is very fresh, I only got it up and running two days ago
2753 [20:19:06] <vertuxt[m]> Elodin : your link is exactly what the bug described
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2755 [20:19:27] <Elodin> oh
2756 [20:19:57] <nvz> dmar198: it appears to me that by default it doesnt actually start unless you have an instance case my old plinth instance was starting but the default wasnt.. I'm looking into
2757 [20:20:27] * nvz is trying to get his system clean of all the residual plinth configs :P
2758 [20:20:38] <mystic> any gays in ?
2759 [20:20:55] <vertuxt[m]> Possible Issues with secureboot are described here replaced-url
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2763 [20:23:30] <nvz> yeah this service file does nothing but return true
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2783 [20:33:57] <nvz> I'm just not understanding how the hell tor even starts/stops on debian.. it makes no sense to me. the tor.service is just a oneshot running /bin/true
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2791 [20:37:21] <jhutchins> nvz: Do you know what you installed for tor?
2792 [20:38:35] <nvz> jhutchins: apt install tor
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2794 [20:38:59] <nvz> I just purged and autoremoved it first before installing it again
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2799 [20:43:19] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: possibly just an dummy job for triggered instances . OpenVPN is similar
2800 [20:43:49] <nvz> yes, it does have seperate instances I see now.. tor@default.service
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2802 [20:44:15] <nvz> it seems pointless to even have that if it doesnt do anything
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2806 [20:45:05] <vertuxt[m]> It depends on the defined conditions and paths in the tor@.... Services
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2808 [20:46:27] <vertuxt[m]> Normally those require configuration files in an dedicated format on specific paths
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2811 [20:48:11] <nvz> dmar198: in any case it would seem you want to work with systemctl restart tor@debian.service
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2813 [20:48:50] <nvz> for me it first said the permissions were too lax, I changed the /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service to 600 and it got rid of that error anyhow
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2816 [20:50:51] <nvz> now it's just complaining about keys and says OpenSSL version is not the version it was compiled with
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2820 [20:52:15] <nvz> these are the errors I get in my syslog when trying to start tor@default replaced-url
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2823 [20:54:14] <dmar198> thank you nvz, this is very helpful
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2826 [20:55:51] <nvz> yeah well its not making a whole lot of sense to me.. its making me think anyone using this should be using the upstream version cause this is fubar
2827 [20:56:15] <vertuxt[m]> I think you dont have the correct permissions on the hidden_ssh_service folder
2828 [20:56:25] <nvz> the whole /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service//hs_ed25519_secret_key thing doesn't fill me with much confidence..
2829 [20:56:28] <jhutchins> nvz: Are you trying to make your system a relay point for tor, or do you mean to install tor browser?
2830 [20:56:40] <nvz> the template in the config says to put a trailing slash on the dir
2831 [20:56:45] <nvz> yet its putting another slash
2832 [20:56:59] <nvz> and its saying the maintainer didnt use the right OpenSSL for buster in the build
2833 [20:57:19] <nvz> jhutchins: I'm just reproducing an issue for dmar198 who is trying to mask his ssh server as a tor service
2834 [20:57:45] <dmar198> nvz you mentioned it would be better to use the upstream service
2835 [20:57:47] <jhutchins> nvz: I found some older documentation on debian.org that recommended downloading the deb files from the tor project page.
2836 [20:57:56] <dmar198> does that mean "sudo apt-get install tor" was the wrong choice?
2837 [20:57:57] <vertuxt[m]> What permissions does /var/lib/Tor have? And whats about the subfolders?
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2840 [20:58:16] <nvz> dmar198: yes I've heard before that tor is one of those things you want to keep up to date.. and I believe the tor project maintains repos for this
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2842 [20:58:31] <vertuxt[m]> Maybe the hidden service is owned by root? Whilst your service is running as user?
2843 [20:58:50] <nvz> ls: cannot open directory '/var/lib/tor': Permission denied
2844 [20:58:50] <jhutchins> Ok, so he's basically trying to use it as a virtual router. I would not expect that to have a user interface.
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2846 [20:58:56] <nvz> erm :P
2847 [20:59:00] <dmar198> on my system /var/lib/tor is owned by user debian-tor
2848 [20:59:04] <dmar198> and also group debian-tor
2849 [20:59:09] <jhutchins> Are you doin gthese things as root or as a user?
2850 [20:59:10] <nvz> replaced-url
2851 [20:59:10] <nvz>
2852 [20:59:27] <nvz> hmm.. dually noted.. runing that from my irc client adds a newline at the end :P
2853 [20:59:34] <dmar198> I'm doing them as a user unless I run into permission problems, at which point I sudo
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2858 [21:00:08] <dmar198> *should* I be doing these things as root?
2859 [21:00:14] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: looks good .... Is the service running AS "debian-tor" as well?
2860 [21:00:21] <arwn> If I want to find out which package has the X11/Xutil.h header I can use `dnf provides X11/Xutil.h` or something similar. What would I do in debian to find out?
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2862 [21:00:45] <nvz> well its not running at all, but yes, the config tells it to run as debian-tor
2863 [21:01:36] <Habbie> arwn, apt-file search
2864 [21:01:54] <Habbie> arwn, or dpkg -S if you already have the right package installed (i.e. the file is present)
2865 [21:02:11] <vertuxt[m]> Could you do: sudo -u debian-tor touch /var/lib/hidden_...._service/test ?
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2867 [21:02:22] <jhutchins> nvz: Anything with "onion" in the process name? The debian package docs mention "the onion proxy", so I might expect a proxy to be running there.
2868 [21:02:23] <arwn> Habbie, I think what i'm looking for is apt-file search. danke.
2869 [21:02:29] <vertuxt[m]> Sorry for shortening ...im typing on Android
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2872 [21:03:07] <nvz> replaced-url
2873 [21:03:17] <jhutchins> nvz: Also, I think a proxy is something you can set up entirely with iptables. If that were the case you wouldn't see an additional process.
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2875 [21:03:40] <Habbie> arwn, kein problem
2876 [21:03:41] <jhutchins> !tor
2877 [21:03:41] <dpkg> The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (replaced-url
2878 [21:03:57] <jhutchins> Might try that oftc channel.
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2880 [21:04:32] <jhutchins> nvz: I think the problem here is nobody's active who knows what it's supposed to look like when it's working.
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2886 [21:05:55] <elm_> I need to compare package versions
2887 [21:06:03] * nvz tries the upstream packages from "deb replaced-url
2888 [21:06:14] <vertuxt[m]> For me It looks like just the permissions need do be resolved
2889 [21:06:18] <elm_> What to do with something like +LibO6.1.5-3deb10u3
2890 [21:06:38] <elm_> the letters are causing me some trouble
2891 [21:06:57] <elm_> what if there are to +xx and +yy both starting with different letters
2892 [21:07:15] <dmar198> I tried sudo -u debian-tor touch /var/lib/tor/hidden_***_ test.txt and it worked
2893 [21:07:30] <jhutchins> This looks useful: replaced-url
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2895 [21:08:20] <dmar198> jhutchins, that's the guide I followed. I got all the way to the step "Navigate to the hidden service directory..." and that's when I discovered that the files he says should be there (after restarting) aren't there
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2897 [21:08:33] <jhutchins> dmar198: That's pretty step-by-step and reasonably current.
2898 [21:08:41] <nvz> yeah its exactly the same with the upstream version
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2900 [21:09:02] <jhutchins> dmar198: Did you see the part about changing ownership? (I think I saw that you'd done that.)
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2902 [21:09:22] <dmar198> I did see the changing ownership part, and when I checked who the current owner was, it was already debian-tor
2903 [21:09:34] <dmar198> but when it didn't work I ran the command to change owner and change group anyway
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2905 [21:10:21] <dmar198> if I do sudo stat /var/lib/tor I see this: "Uid: ( 118/debian-tor) Gid: ( 125/debian-tor)"
2906 [21:10:51] <dmar198> which is what I think I want to see based on tzhenghao's guide
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2910 [21:11:31] <vertuxt[m]> What a mystery
2911 [21:12:15] <dmar198> jhutchins, you mentioned an oftc channel
2912 [21:12:18] <dmar198> is that #oftc?
2913 [21:12:27] <nvz> dmar198: #debian on irc.oftc.net
2914 [21:12:37] <elm_> where can I ask how to compare Debian package versions?
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2916 [21:12:59] <nvz> dmar198: did you ever systemctl restart tor@default and check /var/log/syslog?
2917 [21:13:25] <Habbie> elm_, dpkg --compare-versions can compare them for you
2918 [21:13:53] <elm_> Habbie: do I really need to read the source of dpkg for that?
2919 [21:13:54] <jhutchins> dmar198: No, it's #tor, but it's on the oftc.net servers, not freenode.
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2921 [21:14:01] <dmar198> I see Job for tor@default.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
2922 [21:14:08] <dmar198> See "systemctl status tor@default.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
2923 [21:14:19] <elm_> Habbie: I am programming a script called debcheckroot and it must not invoke dpkg for security reasons
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2925 [21:14:23] <vertuxt[m]> dmar198 could you verify the touch test with that double slash between test.txt and the hidden service dir?
2926 [21:14:24] <Habbie> elm_, dpkg --compare-versions 3 lt 5 ; echo $?; dpkg --compare-versions 5 lt 3 ; echo $?; will output '0' and '1'
2927 [21:14:44] <elm_> that does not help
2928 [21:14:46] <Habbie> elm_, as for learning how that works, i'm sure there's documentation somewhere that's better than reading the dpkg source, but i always went with using dpkg for convenience..
2929 [21:14:47] <elm_> I have no dpkg
2930 [21:15:16] <jhutchins> elm_: Are you running debian? Which release?
2931 [21:15:16] <nvz> dmar198: cat /var/log/syslog | tail -n 50 | nc termbin.com 9999
2932 [21:15:17] <dmar198> cannot touch 'test2.txt': Permission denied
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2934 [21:16:13] <dmar198> h/o
2935 [21:16:18] <vertuxt[m]> Ok i think wie tracked it.... Find the config wheere you specify the hidden_SSH_service and remove the trailing /
2936 [21:16:18] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: that works fine (as root)
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2940 [21:16:35] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: and no, as I said before the file clearly shows using a trailing slash
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2942 [21:16:51] <elm_> jhutchins: that does not matter; debcheckroot should run from any bootable linux medium and it must not call any of the programs in the Debian installation it is checking
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2944 [21:17:07] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: but dmar198 stated the second test failed...
2945 [21:17:08] <elm_> replaced-url
2946 [21:17:09] <nvz> replaced-url
2947 [21:17:12] <dmar198> replaced-url
2948 [21:17:13] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: ^
2949 [21:17:27] <Habbie> elm_, where does debcheckroot itself come from when ran?
2950 [21:17:34] <nvz> dmar198: do NOT use pastebin.com, anywhere, ever.. use paste.debian.net
2951 [21:17:55] <dmar198> oh I'm sorry. If it can be stated in only a few words, what's wrong with pastebin?
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2954 [21:18:20] <Habbie> dmar198, it has ads and i find it is often unreachable for me
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2957 [21:18:45] <dmar198> replaced-url
2958 [21:19:23] <nvz> dpkg, pastebin.com?
2959 [21:19:24] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
2960 [21:19:28] <vertuxt[m]> dmar198 your log States that your permissions are wrong on hidden_ssh_service
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2962 [21:19:54] <dmar198> should the owner "not" be debian-tor?
2963 [21:19:54] <jhutchins> elm_: So you're running from a non-debian live device trying to get grub installed on a debian system?
2964 [21:20:19] <nvz> dmar198: thats just a summary.. but it modifies what you paste, uses heavy js, captcha, ads, popups, has an inconsistent interface.. etc.. its just a nightmare
2965 [21:20:26] <vertuxt[m]> nvz: your issue might be the double slash (whyever)
2966 [21:20:37] <elm_> jhutchins: not installing grub but verifying all installed debian packages
2967 [21:21:01] <elm_> I unpack the packages and check for the md5sums in the package headers
2968 [21:21:03] <vertuxt[m]> dmar198 it should be debian-tor, but with 0700 or sth
2969 [21:21:03] <nvz> vertuxt[m]: no that works fine.. the issue is that they programmed it like that in the first place doesn't fill one with much confidence
2970 [21:21:31] <dmar198> how do I add the 0700 to user debian-tor?
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2972 [21:21:38] <jhutchins> dmar198: Remember that a user must have execute permissions on a folder in order to read it.
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2974 [21:21:51] <vertuxt[m]> nvz they built it for multi service instances in isolated processes
2975 [21:21:58] <jhutchins> dmar198: You change the file/folder, not the user.
2976 [21:22:02] <nvz> it worked for me.. I did like a jagoff put it 600 not 700
2977 [21:22:12] <nvz> forgot it was a directory :P
2978 [21:22:27] <vertuxt[m]> Maybe even that.... I have no box here ;)
2979 [21:23:04] <jhutchins> elm_: The debian installer does that when you install, and you can use debsums if you want to verify packages post-install.
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2981 [21:23:11] <nvz> dmar198: chown 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service
2982 [21:23:14] <dmar198> is that something I do with chown or chgrp?
2983 [21:23:19] <dmar198> thx nvz
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2988 [21:23:41] <elm_> jhutchins: debsums is very unsafe; read: replaced-url
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2993 [21:24:29] <hays> i am upgrading from 9 to 10 and it seems to be hung on a postgres restart
2994 [21:25:00] <hays> ctrl-c doesn't work
2995 [21:25:03] <nvz> now I may consider using this if it doesn't affect my connection and I can figure out how to do it on android with juicessh :P
2996 [21:25:04] <vertuxt[m]> <afk
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2998 [21:25:41] <dmar198> I did that and restarted tor but I'm still not seeing a private key or a hostname in my hidden folder
2999 [21:25:52] <skapata> Was support for TCL/TK for Ruby/Perl removed from Debian? I cannot install neither libtkx-perl nor libtcltk-ruby. I've already tried similar names like ruby-tcl.
3000 [21:25:56] <dmar198> hidden service directory*
3001 [21:25:59] <nvz> dmar198: systemctl restart tor@default.service
3002 [21:26:34] <dmar198> Job for tor@default.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
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3004 [21:26:56] <nvz> dmar198: cat /var/log/syslog | tail -n 50 | nc termbin.com 9999
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3006 [21:27:15] <dmar198> replaced-url
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3008 [21:27:39] <jhutchins> dmar198: I'm pretty sure there's more output from systemctl than just that one line.
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3010 [21:28:01] <nvz> heh
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3012 [21:28:18] <dmar198> jhutchins: only that and one other, similar line
3013 [21:28:19] <nvz> na, the info we need is in syslog, and he pasted it
3014 [21:28:30] <nvz> it indicates you fubarred the permissions
3015 [21:28:45] <nvz> you must have done chown 700 not chmod 700
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3018 [21:29:28] <dmar198> so I shouldn't have typed "chown 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden-ssh"?
3019 [21:29:36] <nvz> chown debian-tor:debian-tor /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/; chmod 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/
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3022 [21:29:42] <nvz> no, you should not have :P
3023 [21:30:01] <nvz> dmar198: apparently I told you the wrong thing :D
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3026 [21:30:10] * nvz yinzersmite nvz
3027 [21:30:12] <dmar198> oops! okay this time I did chmod 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden-ssh/
3028 [21:30:17] <nvz> !yinzersmite nvz
3029 [21:30:17] * dpkg pahds nvz fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer.
3030 [21:30:24] <jhutchins> dmar198: You made user 700 the owner if it worked, but since there is no such user it should have failed.
3031 [21:30:39] <nvz> dmar198: you need to do both commands
3032 [21:30:47] <nvz> dmar198: chown debian-tor:debian-tor /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/; chmod 700 /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/
3033 [21:31:09] <jhutchins> nvz: Doesn't chown refuse to change if the user is invalid? It does on some systems.
3034 [21:31:20] <nvz> jhutchins: idk
3035 [21:31:39] <dmar198> I've done both now, but since I did chmod first it's in the wrong order
3036 [21:31:42] <dmar198> does that matter?
3037 [21:32:02] <jhutchins> Yup, returns "invalid user <foo>"
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3040 [21:32:14] <nvz> jhutchins: not on debian anyhow, I did touch this then chown 70000 this and ls -l shows it owned by 70000
3041 [21:32:16] <dmar198> mine didn't return invalid user
3042 [21:32:41] <jhutchins> dmar198: ls -ld /var/lib/tor/hidden)ssh_service
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3045 [21:33:16] <nvz> dmar198: doesn't matter if you typed both commands it should be correct now
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3047 [21:33:33] <dmar198> Job for tor@default.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
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3050 [21:33:50] <jhutchins> dmar198: ls -ld /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service
3051 [21:33:57] <elm_> jhutchins: where to ask?
3052 [21:34:12] <dmar198> replaced-url
3053 [21:34:24] <elm_> Habbie: any idea?
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3055 [21:34:41] <nvz> dmar198: I only added two lines in mine
3056 [21:34:51] <jhutchins> elm_: Ask what?
3057 [21:35:02] <danderson> Hello! I have a bit of a procedural question: replaced-url
3058 [21:35:03] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3059 [21:35:17] <dmar198> so I should get rid of the line with HiddenServiceAuthorizeClient in it?
3060 [21:35:20] <nvz> dmar198: /var/lib/tor/hidden_ssh_service/
3061 [21:35:25] <nvz> dmar198: and its working for me
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3063 [21:35:30] <danderson> My assumption is that, since it's the same upstream package version, it'll end up pushed out to stable as well, but I can't find confirmation.
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3065 [21:35:39] <nvz> dmar198: erm.. paste fail :P
3066 [21:35:42] <nvz> dmar198: replaced-url
3067 [21:35:50] <elm_> jhutchins: I am still asking the same question: how to compare Debian version stamps on my own?
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3069 [21:36:11] <nvz> dmar198: I did the :13375 cause thats the port mine is running on
3070 [21:36:22] <elm_> jhutchins: debsums does not do what I want - and Patrick Schleizer from the whonix project welcoms debcheckroot
3071 [21:36:25] <jhutchins> danderson: Ideally install testing and verify that the bug exists there, file a new report referencing the old one.
3072 [21:36:29] <dmar198> ok I'll get rid of the authorizeclient line
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3074 [21:36:53] <nvz> dmar198: its complaining about some rendevous thing too
3075 [21:36:58] <danderson> jhutchins: the bug definitely exists in testing+unstable right now, the fix hasn't been packaged yet.
3076 [21:37:00] <elm_> jhutchins: debsums is insecure
3077 [21:37:01] <nvz> dmar198: I only added those two lines and its working
3078 [21:37:17] <jhutchins> danderson: In that case, the answer is "wait".
3079 [21:37:28] <danderson> I'm just wondering if it's normal procedure for fixes to flow all the way back to stable, if the upstream versions are still all the same
3080 [21:37:29] <nvz> I just need to see how it works and if I can get it to work with juicessh on android
3081 [21:37:39] <nvz> cause if I can't do it from mobile, then its pointless for me
3082 [21:37:41] <dmar198> no errors :D
3083 [21:37:59] <jhutchins> danderson: Bugs should be fixed in the testing packages, the fix should have to come through sid/testing to reach stable.
3084 [21:38:02] <nvz> not to mention it has to work with mosh for me
3085 [21:38:05] <danderson> i.e. stable is systemd 242-4, testing+unstable is 242-5. That suggests to me that the patch releases do flow backwards over time
3086 [21:38:07] <nvz> cause I haven't used ssh in ages
3087 [21:38:51] <danderson> jhutchins: got it, thanks. (to be clear, wasn't complaining, just wanted to check that I don't need to file more bugs requesting the fix in stable - which it sounds like I don't, it'll reach stable as part of the normal package lifecycle)
3088 [21:39:06] <nvz> so I guess for my usage I'd need an onion for ssh and mosh
3089 [21:39:17] <dmar198> now I've got the files I was looking for in the folders I wanted them to be in :D thanks for helping nvz and jhutchins and others
3090 [21:39:17] <Habbie> elm_, any idea for what? also you did not answer my question about where the debcheckroot binary would come from when ran
3091 [21:39:39] <hays> ugh what is it with postgres on this upgrade
3092 [21:39:56] <jhutchins> danderson: That's my understanding of the process.
3093 [21:39:56] <hays> now hanging on 'setting up postgresql-common'
3094 [21:40:16] <danderson> jhutchins: cheers, much appreciated!
3095 [21:40:18] <jhutchins> hays: Anything in the release notes or errata?
3096 [21:40:38] <elm_> Habbie: it is currently a perl script
3097 [21:40:43] <nvz> dmar198: did it mention anything about needing these public keys on the client?
3098 [21:40:48] <jhutchins> I'm not actually sure how you go about reporting a bug in multiple releases.
3099 [21:40:58] <Habbie> elm_, ok, besides the point, where does it come from when somebody runs it?
3100 [21:41:10] <dmar198> nvz, I haven't tried sshing into the server yet
3101 [21:41:17] <elm_> Habbie: read replaced-url
3102 [21:41:30] <nvz> dmar198: I'm gonna try it at some point.. but I have more elaborate requirements as I use mosh not ssh
3103 [21:41:31] <Habbie> elm_, that's not a question i have; also i have read the page
3104 [21:41:39] <elm_> Habbie: you should download it either with tor or have it on usb stick
3105 [21:41:47] <dmar198> *googles mosh*
3106 [21:41:51] <Habbie> elm_, so why not put a known-good dpkg binary with it?
3107 [21:42:10] <elm_> Habbie: that isn´t linked statically
3108 [21:42:13] <dmar198> that's amazing nvz, you must have strong thumbs
3109 [21:42:14] <nvz> dmar198: mosh is UDP where ssh is TCP.. mosh can handle indefinite lag, switching networks, etc..
3110 [21:42:17] <Habbie> elm_, it could be
3111 [21:42:24] <Habbie> elm_, why download over tor?
3112 [21:42:41] <elm_> Habbie: that infrastructure to build something is far too expensive
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3115 [21:43:18] <nvz> dmar198: you could start a mosh session in the US, put your machine to sleep, hop on a plane, and wake the machine in london and still be connected
3116 [21:43:32] <elm_> Habbie: because tor makes you download it anonymously; the NSA is usually only spoofing downloads targeted at specific persons
3117 [21:43:42] <dmar198> mosh sounds like a really big deal
3118 [21:43:45] <Habbie> elm_, aha
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3121 [21:43:55] <elm_> Habbie: what for ARM; it should work there as well
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3124 [21:44:21] <Habbie> elm_, ah, portability is a realistic problem
3125 [21:44:35] <Habbie> elm_, then we're back to "maybe somebody already typed in a perl version of deb version comparison" indeed
3126 [21:44:39] <nvz> dmar198: yeah, its the only way to go anymore :P I'm guessing if you setup two onion services one for ssh and one for mosh it can be done this way.. as mosh uses ssh for the authentication so you'd wanna put mosh on an onion service too so the actual connection not just the auth would be masked
3127 [21:44:54] <coyotears> does anyone know anything about flashing phones on debian?
3128 [21:44:56] <Habbie> can you even mosh over onion?
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3130 [21:45:07] <nvz> I'm gonna try it and see :P
3131 [21:45:17] <Habbie> coyotears, adb and fastboot should work fine on debian
3132 [21:45:20] <elm_> Habbie: yes that would read easier though I am currently re-implementing debcheckroot under python3
3133 [21:45:27] <nvz> then the next step would be trying to get juicessh on android to work with it :P
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3137 [21:45:35] <Habbie> elm_, s/perl/python/ in my question then - seems even more likely to exist to be fair
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3139 [21:45:39] <coyotears> in wine, habbie?
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3144 [21:45:55] <coyotears> i know there's adb for gnu/linux
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3148 [21:46:16] <coyotears> i tried it and $adb devices doesn't show any device
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3152 [21:46:18] <nvz> I'd rather use this if its doable and doesnt severely affect the network, cause it would only require me to expose one port for everything..
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3154 [21:46:20] <coyotears> do i need drivers?
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3164 [21:46:48] <nvz> but last I used tor for anything it was just slow and annoying
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3182 [21:49:06] <Habbie> coyotears, i did not mean in wine, no
3183 [21:49:10] <arwn> Did I install debian wrong? for some reason root doesn't have sbin in it's path. I can add it of course but this seems like something that I shouldn't have to do..
3184 [21:49:13] <coyotears> ok
3185 [21:49:16] <Habbie> coyotears, if adb devices doesn't show anything, that usually means that the -device- is unwilling
3186 [21:49:23] <Habbie> arwn, how did you become root?
3187 [21:49:29] <arwn> su
3188 [21:49:31] <tarzeau> arwn: they broke /sbin
3189 [21:49:41] <Habbie> arwn, try 'su -'
3190 [21:49:49] <coyotears> Habbie, fastboot is working! getvar all shows information!
3191 [21:49:52] <Habbie> arwn, is /usr/sbin in your path?
3192 [21:49:53] <Habbie> coyotears, yay
3193 [21:49:57] <coyotears> hallelujah!
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3196 [21:50:29] <f8e3> can i set ssh password for root@ only not user@ip?
3197 [21:50:51] <arwn> Habbie: ok. i'm not pedantic enough. thanks.
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3199 [21:52:26] <jhutchins> f8e3: Your question doesn't quite make sense. If you are root or the user, you can set your local password.
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3202 [21:53:01] <jhutchins> f8e3: WHy don't you tell us what you're actually trying to accomplish.
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3206 [21:54:16] <f8e3> i try to protect my server ssh login in case my notebook .ssh keys are breached. so if he can login user@serverip is ok, but not root@serverip
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3209 [21:54:43] <coyotears> Habbie, is there a good place to look for the RUU.zip?
3210 [21:54:48] <Habbie> f8e3, then set PermitRootLogin in sshd_config to what you want
3211 [21:54:54] <Habbie> coyotears, i don't know what that is but i'm sure it's offtopic in here..
3212 [21:55:02] <coyotears> ah right
3213 [21:55:11] <coyotears> thx
3214 [21:55:29] <Habbie> i think there was an XDA channel on here in the past, perhaps there still is, but that's all i have to offer
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3225 [21:59:07] <coyotears> ok thx Habbie
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3227 [21:59:44] <f8e3> The argument must be ''yes'', ''without-password'', ''forced-commands-only'', or ''no''. The default is ''yes''. // where is password-only option?
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3232 [22:02:21] <f8e3> Habbie Habbie is yes, how do i set it to at least query for password?
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3234 [22:02:43] <Habbie> f8e3, i'm not sure that's easily done
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3237 [22:03:12] <f8e3> wow i can easily get skrewed then, how to protect th eroot login?
3238 [22:03:36] <Habbie> i don't think i understand the problem you are solving
3239 [22:03:42] <Habbie> i recommend not letting anybody ever log in as root
3240 [22:03:47] <Habbie> so, PermitRootLogin no
3241 [22:03:52] <humpled> yup
3242 [22:03:57] <Habbie> log in to user@ip with keys; then have a password for su or sudo
3243 [22:05:04] <f8e3> Habbie so a file that was user chown no is sudo cant be read by user anymore for sure?
3244 [22:05:23] <Habbie> f8e3, please rephrase that
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3246 [22:05:50] <Tjowers> Is there an easy way to erase everything I've downloaded and start debian back at scratch?
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3248 [22:06:02] <f8e3> Habbie when storing important files one can use root ownership, if owner changes foo to root noone can read/write unless root,
3249 [22:06:10] <f8e3> so i nomore need root login, that would be good
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3251 [22:06:30] <Habbie> f8e3, yes
3252 [22:06:38] <f8e3> Tjowers i most often just reinstall and migrate the home dir cherrypicked
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3266 [22:09:58] <dmar198> nvz I'm having a related problem
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3268 [22:10:22] <dmar198> according to tzhenghao's guide, "Your hostname file should contain an autogenerated .onion file and a secret passphrase that looks somewhat like the one shown below:"
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3270 [22:10:39] <dmar198> but I don't see the secret passphrase, I only see the .onion file
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3273 [22:11:08] <dmar198> I suppose this would be a question for oftc though
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3275 [22:11:10] <dmar198> thanks guys!
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3288 [22:17:05] <elm_> Habbie: replaced-url
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3300 [22:17:20] <elm_> That is my version of Debian version comparrel
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3303 [22:17:27] <elm_> No idea whether it would be correct
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3307 [22:18:15] <elm_> it first splits the string by the respective separators: ":" then by "~", by "+", by "." and finally by "-"
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3309 [22:18:46] <elm_> for the remaining tokens it searches until a number is found and then compares both numbers
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3311 [22:19:08] <elm_> if there are two different non-number prefixes these are compared as well
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3340 [22:30:41] <elm_> another question: are there updates for non-free?
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3342 [22:31:41] <hays> does anyone know why postgres is hanging on restart for me? systemd seems to be waiting for a password
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3352 [22:35:57] <tarzeau> elm_: sure, why should there not? which pkg?
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3354 [22:36:43] <tarzeau> hays: does it say why it wants a password? (broken disk/filesystem/unplugged/removed/replaced disk?)
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3357 [22:37:14] <hays> tarzeau: nope. only way i know that is from ps faux and the name ofthe systemctl process
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3359 [22:38:49] <tarzeau> systemd costs me so much nerves, anything related to it, i charge double
3360 [22:39:13] <humpled> prolly should run sudo journalctl and look around
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3362 [22:39:51] <elm_> tarzeau: I could construct artifical version strings and compare them with dpkg
3363 [22:39:54] <elm_> on my todo list
3364 [22:40:23] <hays> humpled: nothing really in there.
3365 [22:40:30] <humpled> huh
3366 [22:40:58] <hays> humpled: it restarts. i can get in. but because it hangs like this i cant get through a dpkg --configure
3367 [22:42:08] <humpled> wonder what it's looking for
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3383 [22:49:41] <ec0> lol
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3405 [23:04:16] <donofrio> need advise, I want to get xfce4.14 goodness and hopefully 5.3 kernel on my rpi4b replaced-url
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3407 [23:05:00] <jhutchins> donofrio: Then you probably don't want Debian.
3408 [23:05:06] <jhutchins> ,kernels
3409 [23:05:07] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-rc5-686 (5.3~rc5-1~exp2); sid: 5.2.0-2-686 (5.2.9-2); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-5+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u5); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u5~deb8u1)
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3411 [23:05:16] <jhutchins> ,v xfce4
3412 [23:05:17] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; bullseye: 4.12.5; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5
3413 [23:05:28] <donofrio> I love debian....its running it now
3414 [23:05:49] <donofrio> no 5.3 for aarch64?
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3418 [23:07:26] <hays> the postgresql-11 config file was pointing to the wrong location
3419 [23:07:49] <donofrio> no xfce4.14 perhaps a repo needed?
3420 [23:08:07] <donofrio> I mean 4.12 is great just yah its new...
3421 [23:08:09] <donofrio> lol
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3423 [23:08:57] <towo`> donofrio, you don't run debian, you run raspbian
3424 [23:09:27] <donofrio> agreed'ish
3425 [23:09:46] <towo`> donofrio, for debian, xfce 4.14 is in testing and unstable
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3427 [23:10:22] <humpled> orly
3428 [23:10:43] <donofrio> kewlness....
3429 [23:11:17] <donofrio> so to get xfce4.12 the way it is.....just apt-get xfce or something group related that swaps out gdm/lightdm?
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3431 [23:12:24] <hays> is there a way to make /var/run symlink to /run if my machine isn't set up this way
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3434 [23:13:15] <towo`> donofrio, judd is wrong, testing and unstable has 4.14
3435 [23:13:52] <towo`> but i don't know, if you can mix raspbian and debian without problems
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3451 [23:21:23] <TempHorse> hi can i ask my query on oftc debian cannel and here at same time
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3454 [23:22:17] <jelly> TempHorse, please use only one channel of those
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3458 [23:23:15] <jelly> TempHorse, it is considered rude to make two sets of people think of the possible solutions for you if they are not being able to see what the others have already thought of
3459 [23:23:35] <TempHorse> okay sir
3460 [23:24:47] <jelly> so one channel at a time. If you exhaust all the help, and your issue is still not solved, THEN you can come ask in the other channel, but please show the work done so far and the suggestions from the previous channel
3461 [23:26:03] <warsoul> how can i SSH to a server on debian?
3462 [23:26:19] <ayew> ssh <ip/host>
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3464 [23:27:28] <jelly> warsoul, use any ssh client. openssh-client is used if the machine you're starting from is also Debian.
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3467 [23:28:38] <warsoul> im trying ssh ip
3468 [23:28:40] <warsoul> but is not working
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3471 [23:29:10] <Gerowen> warsoul: Is port 22 open on the destination machine?
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3473 [23:29:29] <warsoul> yes
3474 [23:29:29] <Gerowen> warsoul: And if it's behind a router, is port 22 forwarded in some way on the router that's between them?
3475 [23:29:34] <RedLine> hi
3476 [23:29:49] <warsoul> Gerown i just bought a VPS
3477 [23:29:53] <warsoul> and im trying to connect
3478 [23:30:12] <RedLine> i got some cocaine 90 %pure from mexico if you are interesting please send me a email to ubi@tutano.com
3479 [23:30:18] <ayew> hmm if its a vps you really shouldn't be having issues.
3480 [23:30:29] <RedLine> ubi@tutanota.com
3481 [23:30:35] <warsoul> is not connecting
3482 [23:30:39] <warsoul> i type ssh ip
3483 [23:30:50] <warsoul> and it stays like that
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3496 [23:32:45] <Gerowen> What is the domain name/IP? I can try it from here and see if it responds in some way. Don't give me username/password, I just need domain name/ip and the port SSH is listening on if it's not 22.
3497 [23:33:00] <Gerowen> It should at the very least tell me to take a hike.
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3500 [23:33:20] <Gerowen> You can PM it to me if you want.
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3508 [23:35:56] <Wulf> Hello
3509 [23:35:57] <karlpinc> !errors
3510 [23:35:57] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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3512 [23:36:37] <Wulf> I upgraded some packages on my system. Afterwards the mac address of my wlan0 network device is changed. Which package is causing this and why?
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3514 [23:37:28] <warsoul> Gerowen i PM you the ip
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3516 [23:37:32] <Gerowen> warsoul: Getting no response, not responding to ping either. Is it up and running?
3517 [23:37:39] <warsoul> yes
3518 [23:37:49] <warsoul> it says status online
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3530 [23:40:48] <Gerowen> warsoul: Did an nmap port scan (no ping) just for kicks and got no information out of it. So either it's not running, the IP isn't correct, etc. The traceroute shows a hop to colocrossing.com , but that's about it.
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3533 [23:41:57] <Gerowen> Not saying you're lying, just saying it appears to be some kind of a technical issue on that end, at least to me.
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3539 [23:47:13] <donofrio> does debian have package groups like ubuntu-desktop ( that installs all desktop packages) but perhaps xfce-desktop?
3540 [23:47:50] <humpled> yup, and tasksel
3541 [23:47:56] <jelly> donofrio, it has tasks in particular for different desktop environments
3542 [23:48:10] <jelly> ,i task-xfce-desktop
3543 [23:48:12] <judd> Package task-xfce-desktop (tasks, optional) in buster/amd64: Xfce. Version: 3.53; Size: 1.1k; Installed: 6k
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3545 [23:48:28] <donofrio> help I'm stuck already lol replaced-url
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3548 [23:49:11] <nvz> donofrio: apt policy | nc termbin.com 9999
3549 [23:49:16] <jelly> donofrio, you have, or have been, mixing repos for different debian releases on this system
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3551 [23:49:21] <jelly> !bat
3552 [23:49:21] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3553 [23:49:25] <jelly> donofrio, ^
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3557 [23:49:50] <donofrio> replaced-url
3558 [23:50:06] <nvz> !raspbian
3559 [23:50:06] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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3562 [23:50:41] <jelly> still xfce 4.8 would be was too old for buster
3563 [23:50:43] <nvz> it would seem they based that on buster when it was still testing
3564 [23:50:46] <jelly> way*
3565 [23:50:54] <donofrio> this says 'buster' replaced-url
3566 [23:50:57] <jelly> ,v xfce4
3567 [23:50:58] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; bullseye: 4.12.5; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5
3568 [23:51:06] <nvz> ,v xfce4-appindicator
3569 [23:51:07] <judd> No package named 'xfce4-appindicator' was found in amd64.
3570 [23:51:18] *** Quits: EvanCarroll (~ecarroll@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
3571 [23:51:18] <nvz> ,v xfce4-appfinder
3572 [23:51:20] <judd> Package: xfce4-appfinder on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1-1; buster: 4.12.0-2; stretch: 4.12.0-2; bullseye: 4.12.0-2+b1; sid: 4.12.0-2+b1; experimental: 4.13.3-1
3573 [23:51:20] <donofrio> eek only amt64 arch ;(
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3575 [23:51:39] <nvz> ,v xfce4-appfinder --arch armhf
3576 [23:51:41] *** Quits: coyotears (~hmm@replaced-ip ) (Remote host closed the connection)
3577 [23:51:41] <judd> Package: xfce4-appfinder on armhf -- jessie: 4.10.1-1; buster: 4.12.0-2; stretch: 4.12.0-2; bullseye: 4.12.0-2+b1; sid: 4.12.0-2+b1; experimental: 4.13.3-1
3578 [23:51:46] <nvz> hmm
3579 [23:51:51] <jelly> donofrio, skipping releases is not allowed on Debian. It's probably not allowed on raspbian either.
3580 [23:52:03] <donofrio> do not want to skip anything
3581 [23:52:05] <nvz> it would appear raspbian is much more different than debian that I'd thought
3582 [23:52:09] <jelly> donofrio, and you have some packages matching debian 6 or 7 installed.
3583 [23:52:10] <donofrio> will type what I need to get this done
3584 [23:52:37] <jelly> donofrio, go to #raspbian, ask how to reinstall a fresh release.
3585 [23:52:39] <nvz> donofrio: you'd have to start by typing /part #debian and /j #raspbian
3586 [23:52:50] <jelly> good luck.
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3588 [23:53:33] * jelly wonders if raspbian people have been putting "stable" in sources.list for longer than debian did
3589 [23:53:53] <jelly> debian fixed that around what, squeeze?
3590 [23:54:03] <jelly> lenny?
3591 [23:54:21] <dashs> debian 10 fails to mount any /run/user/uid tmpfs except root. Is there a reason?
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3594 [23:54:58] <jelly> dashs, works for me?
3595 [23:55:00] <MrCircuitMatt> tarzeau: ping
3596 [23:55:21] <jelly> tmpfs 2434564 24 2434540 1% /run/user/1000
3597 [23:55:40] <warsoul> im logged in on my vps as root
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3599 [23:55:50] <dashs> jelly: really. OK, this is a non-desktop system with NIS.
3600 [23:55:55] <jelly> dashs, ls -ld /run/user
3601 [23:55:56] <warsoul> you guys suggest to keep it like that o add a user?
3602 [23:56:49] <jelly> warsoul, you want to have a normal user under almost all circumstances
3603 [23:56:49] <dashs> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 40 Sep 2 15:48 /run/user
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3605 [23:57:08] <warsoul> jelly how do i add a normal user
3606 [23:57:18] <warsoul> os is debian 9
3607 [23:57:19] <jelly> warsoul, adduser command
3608 [23:57:30] <warsoul> ok
3609 [23:57:33] <jelly> adduser yourchosenusername
3610 [23:57:58] <jelly> dashs, looks about the same here
3611 [23:58:30] <jelly> dashs, do you have only NIS users, or can you try with a local user?
3612 [23:58:36] <dashs> So loginctl has stopped creating tmpfs for each user login?
3613 [23:59:02] * jelly knows nothing about logind or its ways
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3615 [23:59:35] <phogg> is it like login(1) but for some reason also a daemon?
3616 [23:59:43] <dashs> I'll make a local user...
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