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5 [00:07:05] <somebody> Hello. What mailing list should I be on, to get notifications about new releases, security breaches, EOL and other such updates?
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8 [00:10:25] <annadane> somebody, debian-announce and debian-security-announce
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21 [00:19:31] <annadane> does , have any meaning in regex? if i cp /path/to/file ,
22 [00:19:37] <annadane> . is obviously current directory
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24 [00:20:51] <trek00> annadane: on the shell there is no regex, only * and ? have special meaning, not the .
25 [00:21:11] <annadane> i answered my own question, it made a file called ,
26 [00:21:42] <trek00> :)
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29 [00:23:18] <annadane> also i need to stop saying regex when i mean glob
30 [00:23:25] <annadane> character thingy person
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50 [00:38:21] <Lisa101> Hi anybody
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57 [00:48:59] <somebody> Hi, Lisa101.
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64 [00:52:59] <Guest36024> is debian the best distro
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66 [00:54:01] <trek00> for sure
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71 [00:55:34] <sunzero> how can i disable /etc/update-iniramfs.conf/conf.d/resume file and other scripts/ files
72 [00:55:39] <sunzero> for boot
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75 [00:56:02] <sunzero> i get local-premount needs root= fs UUID or /dev/xxx
76 [00:56:18] <sunzero> initramfs i don't know from what is it
77 [00:57:01] <trek00> sunzero: is the problem related to the resume script or they are two separate issues?
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79 [00:57:49] <sunzero> trek00: to the resume script only
80 [00:58:00] <sunzero> trek00: and there to scripts/ folder
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82 [00:58:24] <sunzero> trek00: i just have compiled new kernel and i got this on boot:)
83 [00:58:29] <trek00> sunzero: may be do you have problems with resume and encrypted swap?
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86 [00:59:26] <sunzero> no i don't have a swap
87 [00:59:34] <trek00> ok
88 [00:59:47] <sunzero> RESUME=none
89 [00:59:58] <sunzero> not helps.. RESUME=root=/dev/xxx also
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91 [01:00:07] <sunzero> # also i think
92 [01:00:12] <sunzero> just i want to disable it on boot
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94 [01:00:44] <trek00> sunzero: what is the exact error message?
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99 [01:05:10] <sunzero> trek00: Running /scripts/local-premount ... Begin: Waiting for suspend/resume device ... Begin: Running /scripts/local-block ... done.
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101 [01:05:31] <sunzero> trek00: Running /scripts/local-block ... done. and 8 times and returns me to ash login
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107 [01:07:24] <trek00> sunzero: I had a similar issue, but with encrypted partitions in /etc/crypttab
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110 [01:07:39] <trek00> sunzero: is that file empty for you=
111 [01:07:41] <trek00> ?
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117 [01:09:19] <sunzero> trek00: it have been empty or just RESUME, i have added RESUME=root=/dev/xxx
118 [01:09:24] <sunzero> and i got this
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120 [01:10:00] <trek00> sunzero: the /etc/crypttab is empty?
121 [01:11:30] <annadane> Guest36024, it depends what you're looking for but i certainly think it's among the best linux, yes
122 [01:12:17] <annadane> replaced-url
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124 [01:14:17] <sunzero> yes
125 [01:14:19] <sunzero> trek00
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127 [01:15:16] <trek00> sunzero: well, do not set resume to anything, it should point to a swap partition or nothing
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129 [01:16:40] <sunzero> yes i will create it
130 [01:16:47] <trek00> sunzero: you said you recompiled the kernel, when you get the ash shell, the root filesystem is mounted? have you tried the kernel boot commandline rootdelay?
131 [01:17:19] <trek00> sunzero: the resume file is only needed to hibernate&resume support
132 [01:17:21] <sunzero> trek00: no before to be mounted 3sec. of boot
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135 [01:18:19] <trek00> sunzero: may be you don't have compiled some module about disk/fs? or they are not included in the initrd?
136 [01:19:14] <trek00> sunzero: actually the errors related to scripts/local-* are scripts inside the initrd that tries to mount the root filesystem
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143 [01:23:36] <sunzero> yes right
144 [01:23:42] <sunzero> i will check this
145 [01:23:44] <sunzero> thanks
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169 [01:41:47] <coyote> anybody know of a chan for adb?
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205 [02:02:40] <coyote> anyone know about adb? i can figure out why it won't recognize my device
206 [02:03:57] <trek00> coyote: i don't know about adb, but did you check /var/log/syslog ?
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210 [02:05:19] <coyote> hi trek00
211 [02:05:21] <coyote> checking
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218 [02:08:29] <coyote> it detected the model of the phone but after checking /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:00:14.0/usb1/1-2" it says 'was not an MTP device'
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221 [02:09:44] <trek00> coyote: I don't know but i remember there was some mtp package to install?
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224 [02:10:37] <trek00> coyote: may be libmtp-runtime ?
225 [02:10:56] <coyote> hmm that's media transfer protocal it's not what i want to do. i want to put the phone back to fresh factory install
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227 [02:11:20] <trek00> coyote: mtp is a protocol to talk with android if i remember correctly
228 [02:11:33] <coyote> hmm ok
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230 [02:13:37] <coyote> when i go in synaptic i see libmtp-runtime, libmtp9, and libmtp-common installed
231 [02:13:44] <coyote> mtp-tools isn't, should i?
232 [02:13:54] <coyote> hmm libmtp-dev isn't also
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236 [02:14:38] <trek00> i think libmtp-runtime should be ok to connect, but i really don't know
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238 [02:15:06] <coyote> hmm i have that one installed already
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241 [02:15:50] <coyote> fyi there is no mention of android in the package infos
242 [02:15:52] <trek00> coyote: may be you need to configure the android device to share it's storage area?
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249 [02:17:25] <coyote> i'm doing the thing three posts down, "mjwitt2" 's post, here : replaced-url
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253 [02:18:16] <coyote> i know it's for winblows but it's the best i could find so far
254 [02:19:30] <trek00> coyote: i have absolutely no experience with smarphones, they don't run debian :)
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256 [02:19:55] <coyote> actually they can with gnuroot debian app! but that's a whole nother thing
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258 [02:20:16] <coyote> and adb packages are pushed with debian
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260 [02:20:27] <coyote> but yep
261 [02:20:30] <coyote> ok thanks
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263 [02:21:24] <trek00> coyote: anyway MTP is an extension to USB and it seems adb is searching an MTP device as written in the logs
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266 [02:23:50] <coyote> hmm how do you know it's adb doing that?
267 [02:24:13] <coyote> Aug 31 19:03:22 torosingtome kernel: [76941.517927] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, device number 17
268 [02:24:18] <coyote> ^first line
269 [02:24:30] <coyote> says it's just the kernel right?
270 [02:24:34] <trek00> coyote: i assume the log you pasted are from the time you launched adb
271 [02:24:38] <coyote> no mention of adb on any of the liens
272 [02:25:01] <coyote> i haven't actually launched adb
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274 [02:25:09] <coyote> just put $adb devices
275 [02:25:31] <trek00> coyote: well, may be the automounter tries to mount the usb device and the kernel print this error
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277 [02:25:37] <coyote> yeah
278 [02:25:40] <coyote> my thinking ^
279 [02:25:51] <coyote> well thanks for your help trek00
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281 [02:26:07] <trek00> hope you'll find the solution
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283 [02:26:42] <coyote> >_<
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289 [02:28:01] * penguin42 has a box that I just upgraded stretch->buster and it's got a problem that it doesn't regenerate grub.cfg on new kernel installs (i.e. it was still set as 4.9 after the upgrade) - it had been doing this for a while; any idea where to debug? I suspect it may be related to me having done a 32->64 convert on it
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291 [02:30:18] <trek00> penguin42: does it print an error messge?
292 [02:30:34] <penguin42> trek00: Not that I've found
293 [02:30:54] <coyote> hey anyone know adb? it isn't recognizing my android device and i'm not sure if i should try to download a driver or if (as one site has) i don't need to and something else is wrong?
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296 [02:31:14] <penguin42> coyote: Check you've set up permissions on your /dev/usb/whatever device
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304 [02:31:52] <penguin42> coyote: You can add udev rules to do that automatically
305 [02:32:39] <trek00> penguin42: a kernel install should always trigger the initramfs and grub hooks, they are both missing or only grub?
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307 [02:33:11] <penguin42> trek00: Only grub
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309 [02:33:35] <penguin42> trek00: It's created the new initrd just fine; if I manually run update-grub it's fine
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311 [02:33:59] <trek00> penguin42: do you install kernel via aptitude? or with a graphical gui?
312 [02:34:07] <coyote> penguin42: thanks i'll try to figure out how to do that
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320 [02:36:44] <penguin42> trek00: apt upgrade or in this case dist-upgrade
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323 [02:38:11] <trek00> penguin42: under /var/log there are dpkg.log and aptitude that sometimes contains errors
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328 [02:41:41] <TRS-80> Evening, fellow wizards! :)
329 [02:41:57] <penguin42> trek00: from /var/log/apt/term.log : replaced-url
330 [02:42:03] <penguin42> trek00: Looks fine to me
331 [02:42:35] <penguin42> TRS-80: Greetings 8bit'er
332 [02:42:56] <trek00> penguin42: yes, no errors, but no grub too :/
333 [02:43:10] <TRS-80> I was wondering if it's normal for Firefox and LibreOffice to install every localization known to mankind? Or have I messed up my lovale somehow?
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335 [02:43:16] <TRS-80> penguin42: XD
336 [02:44:03] <penguin42> trek00: Which linux-image-* packages do you have - ignoring the actual numeric part ?
337 [02:44:18] <trek00> TRS-80: there are separate packages for each locale
338 [02:44:52] <trek00> penguin42: for buster linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64
339 [02:45:07] <penguin42> yeh same here
340 [02:45:36] <penguin42> trek00: DO you have any other of the non-versinoed packages; i.e. the linux-image-amd64 itself?
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342 [02:46:00] <trek00> yes
343 [02:46:50] <trek00> penguin42: linux-image-amd64, but it does nothing
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345 [02:47:17] <mikeymop> I just got a WD black 3tb, tested it in windows and formatted ntfs
346 [02:47:26] <mikeymop> on debian 10, I installed ntfs-3g, plugged in the drive and rebooted
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348 [02:47:38] <penguin42> trek00: Nod, hmmmm - I'd still bet it's something to do with me having converted it from 32bit, but I'm out of ideas where to look
349 [02:47:38] <mikeymop> I didn't see the device in `fdisk -l` `sudo lsblk` or in gnome-disks
350 [02:47:52] <mikeymop> I looked in /dev and only saw /dev/sda which is my ssd
351 [02:48:03] <trek00> penguin42: i would check if grub and kernel archs match :)
352 [02:48:07] <mikeymop> is there anything else I have to do in debian to see my drive?
353 [02:48:15] <penguin42> mikeymop: Check /proc/partitions - but that suggests it's not seeing the sata controller it's plugged into
354 [02:48:25] <mikeymop> I will try there
355 [02:48:40] <mikeymop> My ssd is part of an lvm pool, I set it up using the defaults in the installer, could this play a part in detecting new disks?
356 [02:48:49] <TRS-80> trek00: yes, and I'm doing an update, and they seem to ALL be installed; is that normal?
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358 [02:49:26] <penguin42> trek00: Yeh all the packages installed on teh system are either all or amd64
359 [02:49:45] <trek00> TRS-80: may be some package you installed depends on all locales, but i don't know which, you can search who depends on a package with aptitude, if you are familiar with
360 [02:49:48] <penguin42> mikeymop: Doubt it; all drives should show up in lsblk
361 [02:49:56] <mikeymop> `file /proc/partitions` is empty so I think it is my sata controller ty
362 [02:50:04] <penguin42> empty?!
363 [02:50:06] <mikeymop> yea
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365 [02:50:29] <trek00> mikeymop: is /proc mounted? :D
366 [02:51:16] <mikeymop> lmao
367 [02:51:43] * penguin42 notes empty!=missing !
368 [02:51:49] <TRS-80> trek00: thanks, that gives me a direction to look at least, prior to which I had no clue where to begin :)
369 [02:51:54] <mikeymop> termbin.com/4mpg
370 [02:52:08] <trek00> penguin42: do you have this file? /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub
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374 [02:53:06] <penguin42> trek00: hmm yes
375 [02:53:22] <trek00> TRS-80: hope you will find the chain of dependency that generate that mass install
376 [02:54:21] <trek00> penguin42: this is the script that calls update-grub
377 [02:55:25] <trek00> penguin42: on install kenel postinst is called /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64.postinst
378 [02:55:35] <penguin42> trek00: Seems sane enough to me; and systemd-detect-virt --container isn't saying it's a container
379 [02:55:42] <trek00> penguin42: and it calls all the scripts in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/
380 [02:56:21] <penguin42> trek00: Hmmmm
381 [02:56:37] <penguin42> trek00: I'm wondering if it's failed to run apt-auto-removal as well
382 [02:56:55] <yans> Sunday bloody sunday!
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384 [02:57:01] <penguin42> trek00: I've got some pretty old kernels in there as well; so I wonder fi it's not running any of the postinst.d
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388 [02:57:33] <trek00> penguin42: but it updates initramfs right?
389 [02:57:44] <penguin42> trek00: Well it's certainly created one
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392 [03:00:05] <trek00> you can try to call it manually with: run-parts --report --exit-on-error --arg=4.19.0-5-amd64 --arg=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 /etc/kernel/postinst.d
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394 [03:01:02] <trek00> add also a --verbose
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398 [03:03:39] <trek00> penguin42: last 2 messages are for you, missed your nick
399 [03:04:01] <penguin42> nod will try in a few mins
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402 [03:05:27] <trek00> mikeymop: your /proc/partitions should not be empty, even if sata controller is broken, it should contains at least your ssd device
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404 [03:07:07] * yans still running!
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407 [03:07:36] <penguin42> trek00: Unless it's not even seeing the ssd but it's stopped at a initram shell and can't see any storage
408 [03:07:50] <jim> hi... I'm trying to find out how certbot gets run, and the parameters it's run with. all I found so far is the systemd unit file certbot.timer (incidently, I use certbot for letsencrypt)
409 [03:08:06] <trek00> penguin42: it should at least see the initramfs device
410 [03:08:33] <jim> the certbot.timer file doesn't show how certbot is run
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418 [03:12:27] <trek00> jim: may be the certbot.service ? or /etc/cron.d/certbot
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426 [03:14:16] <jim> trek00, maybe, and, I ran systemctl | grep cert and only certbot.timer came out
427 [03:14:55] <trek00> jim: you can get all the files with dpkg -L certbot
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429 [03:15:05] <jim> good point
430 [03:15:21] <jim> was gonna use find :)
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437 [03:21:09] <jim> found it, thanks. is there any other mechanism for certbot than editing the unit file directly, that allows me to add parameters to the certbot run?
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439 [03:22:00] <trek00> jim: i really don't know, but there is a /etc/letsencrypt/cli.ini may be you can add some options here, but check: man certbot
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441 [03:22:40] <jim> yeah OK, been reading that and man systemd
442 [03:23:03] <jim> thanks again, I'll look
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444 [03:24:22] <trek00> :)
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455 [03:27:55] <penguin42> trek00: The run-parts did run zz-update-grub and apparently did it OK
456 [03:28:30] <penguin42> trek00: Shrug
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459 [03:28:57] <penguin42> trek00: Im tempted to add a few test files into the /etc/kernel/postinst.d at the start and end to just log if it's getting run
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461 [03:32:21] <trek00> penguin42: i think it's the best method to understand what it's going
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463 [03:32:42] <trek00> penguin42: or you can add -x at the top
464 [03:33:18] <penguin42> trek00: Yeh
465 [03:33:24] <penguin42> trek00: Oh well, thanks for your thoughts
466 [03:33:38] <trek00> penguin42: hope this help you :)
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468 [03:34:15] <penguin42> trek00: Well, it has pointed me along the paths to check, but it's not found anything smoking yet; but also shows I'm not missing anything really obvious
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472 [03:41:39] <penguin42> trek00: Oh well, thanks!
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525 [04:43:16] <jim> if I edit a unit (say, certbot.service) controlled by a timer unit (say, certbot.timer), is there anything I have to do to activate the changes? or will systemd read certbot.service file, with the changes, next time it fires?
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530 [04:46:09] <OerHeks> i think you are good like that, jim
531 [04:46:20] <themill> I'd have assumed systemctl daemon-reload was needed
532 [04:46:31] <OerHeks> no reload/restart in your usercase
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536 [04:47:02] <jim> would a reload hurt?
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538 [04:48:20] <OerHeks> check systemctl status certbot.timer ??
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540 [04:49:42] <jim> you mean after a reload?
541 [04:49:57] <jim> or before and after?
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546 [04:52:46] <jim> looks like certbot.timer loaded and active, before and after systemctl daemon-reload
547 [04:53:12] <jim> OerHeks, themill, thanks
548 [04:55:40] <OerHeks> have fun!
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561 [05:10:54] <biotty> hey, i found a typo in a man page. how do i leave a note
562 [05:11:20] <biotty> it's a man page that has been edited for debian
563 [05:12:23] <biotty> but i think the typo, which is orthographic, was not introduced with that
564 [05:12:44] <biotty> it's a funny mis-spelling
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566 [05:14:39] <biotty> man cron has "existance" in it, which is not found in the english dictionary
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568 [05:17:00] <zumba_addict> I have net-tools installed but i don't have traceroute
569 [05:17:48] <biotty> it is in a paragraph mentioning Debian, so i tend to think it was not there in teh original version of Paul Vixie
570 [05:18:06] <zumba_addict> apt-cache showed traceroute
571 [05:18:13] <zumba_addict> i'm good now
572 [05:18:26] <biotty> so, where do i provide a correction for Debians downstream patch
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583 [05:27:25] <themill> biotty: which man page?
584 [05:28:48] <OerHeks> Regardless of the existance of any of these files, replaced-url
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587 [05:29:23] <themill> That's already fixed in buster
588 [05:30:04] <biotty> themill: section 1, crontab
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590 [05:30:34] <biotty> themill: sorry i lagged and didnt read firth. okay
591 [05:31:20] <biotty> OerHeks: yes, that one contains the error
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593 [05:33:14] <biotty> OerHeks,themill: i see the fix in buster, yes. Thank you
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825 [10:06:41] <SPiRiT_> Hey everybody =) Sorry for my noobic question. Do I need to install unattended-upgrades package to enable auto-upgrade of Debian packages? Because I see that there is a pre-defined job for that (apt-daily-upgrade), and I have no idea if it replaces the unattended-upgrades package.
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830 [10:09:49] <jelly> SPiRiT_: looking at the code, that job works with unattended-upgrades, if they are installed
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837 [10:15:49] <SPiRiT_> Hi jelly, so if unattended-upgrades package is not installed - these timers (apt-daily-update and apt-daily-upgrade) do not function ??
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839 [10:18:51] <ratrace> I think the services are actually to replace the old unattended-upgrades package
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867 [10:39:42] <Megaf> Folks, I think I have a weird problem on my system.
868 [10:39:47] <Megaf> $ ls /etc/skel/
869 [10:39:47] <Megaf> 模板
870 [10:39:58] <Megaf> the heck is that inside my /etc/skel?
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872 [10:42:18] <SPiRiT_> I am not expert, but looks like it's normal. See here : replaced-url
873 [10:42:42] <SPiRiT_> "The /etc/skel directory contains files and directories that are automatically copied over to a new user's home directory when such user is created by the useradd program."
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876 [10:44:08] <Megaf> That Chinese thing there is not normal
877 [10:44:20] <Megaf> specially on a install set up for Ireland
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879 [10:45:01] <jim> Megaf, the content of /etc/skel are generally copied into the home dirs of users just then being created... notice what you get when you ls -a
880 [10:45:43] <Megaf> do a ls /etc/skel yourself please and tell me if you have a Chinese directory there
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882 [10:46:18] <Megaf> I'm well aware how and why /etc/skel is used, and that is why I'm asking why there is a chinese directory inside it
883 [10:46:20] <jim> nope
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885 [10:46:47] <SPiRiT_> oh sorry I didn't see that chinese in your msg.
886 [10:47:15] <SPiRiT_> If it happened to me, I'd use apt-file to search which package installed that file there.
887 [10:47:28] <jim> Megaf, now try: ls -a /etc/skel
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891 [10:49:26] <Megaf> I think it was WPS Office, I was already suspecting that, this seems to confirm it? replaced-url
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896 [10:53:22] <themill> Megaf: if it's from a package "dpkg -S" can tell you which one
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899 [10:54:51] <Megaf> only if the package still installed, I don't have WPS office anymore
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901 [10:55:00] <Megaf> and after that, certainly I don't want it again
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912 [11:01:06] <themill> A conffile would still be there after the package is removed but not purged; if it was made in the maintainer scripts then nothing can know about it
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983 [12:16:39] <Nong> yo
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989 [12:19:42] <ZaZaGX> yo
990 [12:20:58] <Nong> hello
991 [12:21:10] <ZaZaGX> whats up
992 [12:21:23] <ZaZaGX> are you chinese?
993 [12:22:05] <Nong> why do I am Chinese
994 [12:22:30] <Nong> how do you kown that
995 [12:23:13] <Nong> sorry know
996 [12:23:49] <ZaZaGX> it says guoruei in pinyin
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998 [12:24:32] <Nong> wow, you know pinyin
999 [12:24:45] <ZaZaGX> not really
1000 [12:25:28] <Nong> Outstanding
1001 [12:25:40] <Nong> cool
1002 [12:26:27] <ZaZaGX> i am chinese, but i don't really know any mandarin, i do know some cantonese and my native language is hakka
1003 [12:28:41] <Nong> so，you live in Malaysia?
1004 [12:28:53] <ZaZaGX> no, i live in the united states
1005 [12:29:02] <Nong> or Singapore
1006 [12:29:11] <ZaZaGX> do you know what hakka is?
1007 [12:29:13] <Nong> ⊙∀⊙！ I see
1008 [12:30:37] <ZaZaGX> ?
1009 [12:30:39] <Nong> fujian people language
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1011 [12:31:17] <Nong> I am zhuang people in China
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1013 [12:31:56] <Nong> fujian people language speak hakka
1014 [12:32:12] <Nong> sorry
1015 [12:32:25] <ZaZaGX> ohh ic
1016 [12:32:34] <Nong> fujian people speak hakka
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1018 [12:33:21] <ZaZaGX> i have never heard of zhuang
1019 [12:33:36] <themill> Nong, ZaZaGX: Perhaps you were looking for ##chat?
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1027 [12:39:56] <Nong> sorry ， I am a debian user too
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1038 [12:43:14] <djp_> attempting to install debian 10 using the 64-bit pc network installer image. have booted the installation procedure using a usb stick. receive a prompt asking for the iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode firmware. have downloaded said firmware. how do i add that to the installation usb stick?
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1042 [12:44:28] <ZaZaGX> djp, from a usb flash drive.
1043 [12:44:53] <Nong> try live usb
1044 [12:44:54] <ZaZaGX> another*
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1046 [12:45:51] <djp_> ZaZaGX, got you. thanks.
1047 [12:45:52] <Nong> live cd -> live usb ...
1048 [12:46:28] <nvz> !firmware images
1049 [12:46:29] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
1050 [12:46:57] <ZaZaGX> that works too
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1054 [12:50:11] <whatsupboy> .mirrors
1055 [12:50:38] <whatsupboy> .help
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1101 [13:44:50] <brutser> guys, if i cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda , then i boot to grub rescue and cryptomount ata0, i get NO prompt for password, just a new line. how come? what am i missing?
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1120 [14:00:13] <brutser> i don't understand really, i create encrypted rootfs, with pv "lvm" vg "vgroup" and lv "root, swap" - encrypt with "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda", i install no bootloader for the system, then i boot with my own grub disk to "grub rescue" prompt, i enter "ls", which give "(proc) (memdisk) (cbfsdisk) (ata0) (ata2)", where i know (ata0) is the /dev/
1121 [14:00:14] <brutser> sda, so I enter "cryptomount ata0", it does NOT give me password prompt, just a new line and nothing is decrypted! Why? What am i doing wrong?
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1156 [14:24:00] <varslashblog> Hi guys!
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1159 [14:25:46] <dvs> who dat?
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1176 [14:39:06] <jeddi> brutser can you cryptsetup luksOpen that device?
1177 [14:39:42] <jeddi> brutser if you're doing it manually (ie. not entirely through the debian installer) then you may end up without the crypt binaries, modules, and libraries in your initramfs
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1190 [14:47:48] <brutser> jeddi: i think i found the issue (testing at the moment), but i found older tutorials on how to do this and back in the days luks1 was the default, nowadays it's luks2 for cryptsetup and i think cryptomount cannot handle luks2
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1337 [16:52:24] <jeddi> brutser ah, yeah, luks1 is quite dated i think. luks2 / cryptsetup *tends* to be pretty robust. i caught myself out recently with trying to auto-mount / as a crypted partition (so, before /etc/crypttab is available) and screwed up initramfs in the process, hence i'm a bit cautious now.
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1344 [16:54:47] <serard> Hello, someone knowz where I can download 9.9 server iso stable ?
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1347 [16:57:14] <dvs> serard, replaced-url
1348 [16:57:20] <serard> thanks
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1411 [17:38:17] <sunzero> i don't have a swap i have create it now
1412 [17:38:39] <sunzero> does this is wrong fro swap: UUID=081eb9a6-0b72-4388-9142-4c8342fc2b82 swap swap defauls 0 0 ?
1413 [17:38:42] <sunzero> for*
1414 [17:38:48] <sunzero> or none swap ...
1415 [17:38:56] <sunzero> or some another
1416 [17:38:59] <sunzero> and then mount -a
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1438 [17:53:00] <humpled> UUID=... none swap sw 0 0
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1440 [17:53:24] <toruvinn> also i think swapon -a not mount -a
1441 [17:53:36] <humpled> might need swapon <something> yes
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1479 [18:13:02] <user99> I have a new install running stretch from a live DVD. I have gnaome and wayland. If I upgrade to buster will wayland still work? They seem to be running different gnome versions
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1505 [18:22:25] <user99> software> s/"searchbox"/debian<enter> --> 1) reportbug > install > E: could not find the repository
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1586 [19:03:19] <stevejobsinhell> hello!
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1588 [19:04:15] <stevejobsinhell> I'm using network manager. What's the package to connect to L2TP over IPSec VPNs?
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1598 [19:14:52] <sunzero> :)
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1609 [19:24:59] <jhutchins> stevejobsinhell: I think there's a separate vpn package for nm.
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1612 [19:27:15] <jhutchins> UserOO7: Different versions is what upgrades are all about.
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1651 [19:46:33] <dmar198> I'm having trouble setting up ssh on my new debian machine. ufw says that access to port 22 is allowed from the local lan, but when I try to connect it says unable to route to host
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1657 [19:47:29] <dmar198> also, when I ping my machine it says desination host unreachable
1658 [19:48:08] <BCMM> dmar198: "unable to route to host" is nothing to do with whether port 22 is open - it's failing *before* that becomes relevant
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1660 [19:48:26] <dmar198> ty bcmm
1661 [19:48:35] <EoflaOE> dmar198: Is your machine on the same network?
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1663 [19:48:42] <BCMM> dmar198: do you have proof that the network is working at all on the new machine? e.g. can you access the internet?
1664 [19:48:56] <martigan> Goodday everyone! I'm trying to configure an access point on my machine with dhcp using dnsmasq, dsnmasq-base is already using p:53, I read that you can add 'DNSStubListener=no' in resolved.conf and it will disable systemd-resolved as the local dns and allow dnsmasq to bind to 53. Am I going about this the right way?
1665 [19:48:59] <dmar198> yes, I have internet
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1669 [19:49:09] <dmar198> and they are on the same network
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1671 [19:50:07] <dmar198> okay I am now able to successfully ping the machine, but it says connection refused on port 22
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1674 [19:51:30] <BCMM> dmar198: what changed between not being able to ping it and being able to ping it?
1675 [19:51:38] <EoflaOE> dmar198: Pastebin the output of "netstat -nap" and I will check to see if the port is open and listening.
1676 [19:51:54] <BCMM> are you sure you have the right IP address? could you just be pinging some other machine?
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1679 [19:52:49] <dmar198> the thing that changed b/w "no ping" and "yes ping" was that I realized that after setting a static ip I ought to restart the machine
1680 [19:53:17] <dmar198> after that I realized that since I could ping, but was getting connection refused, it was probably because I need to install openssh-server
1681 [19:53:22] <BCMM> (or just restart networking)
1682 [19:53:32] <dmar198> everything seems to be working as expected now
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1684 [19:53:51] <EoflaOE> dmar198: Is openssh-server installed?
1685 [19:53:56] <dmar198> it is now, yes
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1691 [19:54:41] <dmar198> the last time I installed debian it was on a pi and openssh was preinstalled, so I *assumed* it would be preinstalled on this debian as well
1692 [19:54:50] <dmar198> but I guess that just shows where you get by assuming things
1693 [19:55:03] <EoflaOE> dmar198: OK. Can you connect?
1694 [19:55:10] <sunzero> how can i see all runned ports with daemons with netstat?
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1698 [19:55:48] <EoflaOE> sunzero: Does "netstat -nap" help?
1699 [19:56:00] <sunzero> no
1700 [19:56:10] <sunzero> or another method
1701 [19:56:11] <juhop_> -l for listening ports
1702 [19:56:41] <sunzero> i mean like a numbers 22 ssh, etc.
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1704 [19:56:46] <sunzero> maybe another methods
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1706 [19:56:59] <sunzero> 23 telnet
1707 [19:57:07] <sunzero> ftp
1708 [19:57:07] <dmar198> yes, I can connect
1709 [19:57:08] <sunzero> ops
1710 [19:57:11] <BCMM> sunzero: if you don't already know netstat, it might be an idea to learn `ss` instead (the iproute2 successor to netstat)
1711 [19:57:19] <dmar198> thank you all for your assistance
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1714 [19:57:42] <EoflaOE> dmar198: You are welcome. Come again if you need help.
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1716 [19:58:01] <BCMM> sunzero: `ss -lp` might do what you want
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1718 [19:58:39] <BCMM> -l for listening ports, and -p to show which process is listening
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1720 [19:58:56] <sunzero> aham
1721 [19:58:57] <sunzero> thanks
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1727 [20:00:10] <BCMM> oh, and add -n if you want to see port numbers. otherwise it will try to be clever and say things like :ssh instead of :22
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1745 [20:09:13] <serard> How do I disable proxy for https in apt ?
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1747 [20:10:59] <hans__> i need to run php5.6-fpm in buster.. any idea how? i could just run it in a VM with stretch+deb.sury.org i guess
1748 [20:11:18] <hans__> any other suggestions?
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1753 [20:13:41] <SerajewelKS> is there a way to make mdadm raid check/scrub more sensitive to other I/O requests on the system? no matter what i do, it always tends toward speed_limit_max and everything else on the system is starved for I/O.
1754 [20:14:10] <SerajewelKS> i would like it to be able to use spare iops but it appears that raising the max just makes it suck up all the iops it can with no regard for whatever anything else on the system is doing
1755 [20:14:36] <SerajewelKS> and the only alternative is to lower the max, making the scrub take 3+ days
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1766 [20:19:38] <SanchoPensa> hey, guys! I have jessie running on a very old machine, and I wanted to use ffmpeg there, aparently, there are a ton of ffmpeg related packages available for installation, anything but ffmpeg. replaced-url
1767 [20:19:38] <SanchoPensa> Am I looking in the wrong repos, or how come?
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1770 [20:20:50] <SerajewelKS> SanchoPensa: ffmpeg was not available in jessie, though it is in jessie-backports
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1772 [20:21:33] <SanchoPensa> SerajewelKS: it was not? now, that is really odd...
1773 [20:22:12] <SerajewelKS> SanchoPensa: not really. at the time there was a fork called avconv and there was discussion about which one debian should use
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1775 [20:22:18] <EoflaOE> serard: Does "cat /etc/apt/apt.conf" say anything about the proxy?
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1777 [20:22:31] <SerajewelKS> and IIRC support for ffmpeg in debian has always been a bit spotty due to the constant stream of security issues
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1779 [20:23:04] <SanchoPensa> SerajewelKS: all of which total news to me...
1780 [20:23:29] <SanchoPensa> SerajewelKS: so, should I use that avconv instead?
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1788 [20:24:59] <SerajewelKS> SanchoPensa: no, neither were in jessie. you could just enable the jessie-backports repository and get ffmpeg from there.
1789 [20:25:28] <SerajewelKS> another alternative is to build ffmpeg from source, which will give you the benefits of optimizations and fixes in ffmpeg
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1795 [20:26:13] <SanchoPensa> SerajewelKS: as mentioned, it is a veeery ancient machine, basically a 12 yrs old artefact, accordingly "fragile", hence, I would really not like to tinker with backports, just for the sake of ffmpeg... any other suggestions?
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1799 [20:26:36] <SanchoPensa> SerajewelKS: oh! oh boy... :D
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1801 [20:27:02] <GNU\colossus> there's statically linked, "unofficial" releases of ffmpeg provided by a contributor, that the project website links to
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1805 [20:27:34] <GNU\colossus> SanchoPensa, replaced-url
1806 [20:27:36] <SerajewelKS> SanchoPensa: if the machine is too weak to build ffmpeg then you could also configure a jessie chroot on another machine and build it in there, possibly linking statically, and copy the build products over
1807 [20:27:53] <uio> Hi. In Debian 10 XFCE on resume from hiberate / suspend sound is not working. How can I fix this?
1808 [20:28:34] <SanchoPensa> SerajewelKS: no, not to weak, just the whole glibc shebang, build tools an all that not so much up to date...
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1811 [20:28:48] <SanchoPensa> GNU\colossus: interesting!
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1813 [20:29:21] <SanchoPensa> I will look into it and take a decision, thanks you for you help SerajewelKS and GNU\colossus, very much appreciated!
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1819 [20:30:21] <half-beard> I've installed a Nvidia 8400GS gfx card in my PC, I set the iGPU to be enabled regardless by enabling the multi-monitor option. Running Debian Buster, KDE Plasma with SDDM. lspci shows both of my GPUs. But Plasma's Displays widget and xrandr only shows whichever GPU I set as primary. How can I get both GPUs to be available without doing a custom static xorg confjg file?
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1822 [20:32:30] <vsayikiran> Hi I tried cloning my debian buster's root partition to usb drive. both source and target root partition are of same size 20GB, ext4. I used clonezilla for the job. I booted to debain buster using my hdd. I plugged in cloned usb pen drive. I can see exact copy of root partition but unable to boot to debian from usb pen drive....any thoughts please
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1824 [20:32:51] <EoflaOE> uio: Pastebin the contents of "/etc/pm/sleep.d"
1825 [20:32:58] <uio> 'pkill pulseaudio' then 'pulseaudio --start' worked, but this is clearly a workaround.
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1828 [20:33:19] <uio> EoflaOE, Should I go through hibernate again?
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1830 [20:33:36] <uio> EoflaOE, To re-break the sound?
1831 [20:33:47] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: What happens when you boot?
1832 [20:34:18] <EoflaOE> uio: I do not think so. Someone more experienced might be able to help.
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1834 [20:34:44] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: when i boot using cloned debian from usb pen drive, I do not see grub boot manager. just a blank screen with one cursor blinking in top corner
1835 [20:34:45] <uio> EoflaOE, I broke it again :)
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1841 [20:35:56] <EoflaOE> uio: OK. Pastebin the file list of /etc/pm/sleep.d (hint: ls /etc/pm/sleep.d)
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1843 [20:36:18] <uio> EoflaOE All that's there is '/etc/pm/sleep.d/10_unattended-upgrades-hibernate'
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1845 [20:36:58] <EoflaOE> vsayikirann: I will look it up.
1846 [20:37:30] <EoflaOE> uio: I will look how to execute 2 commands on resume.
1847 [20:37:51] <uio> EoflaOE, Kewl :)
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1856 [20:40:23] <EoflaOE> uio: Follow this instruction, but read the note about Debian. Also, replace the commands with the two commands that you posted above.
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1859 [20:41:33] <uio> EoflaOE, Okay - ready to follow!
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1861 [20:41:55] <uio> EoflaOE, Was there a link?
1862 [20:42:22] <EoflaOE> uio: replaced-url
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1865 [20:45:20] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: Can you boot to Live CD, chroot into the USB, and install GRUB to it?
1866 [20:46:01] <thadtheman> Does apt-cache madison $package show which package is installed?
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1868 [20:46:58] <uio> EoflaOE, Thanks for the links. I'm not at all familar with scripts and so am quite lost.
1869 [20:47:32] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: i dont have live CD.....I have only one 500GB Hdd where debian buster is currently installed and i am chatiing from here, 4gb pendrive where I have insatlled clonezilla live bootable and 128gb pendrive where I wish to clone debian installed in hdd
1870 [20:48:19] <EoflaOE> thadtheman: No. It shows available package versions from all repositories in a tabular format.
1871 [20:48:58] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE : ultimately after cloning i wish to be able to boot from 128gb pen drive containing the exact copy of debian buster as my hdd
1872 [20:49:33] <thadtheman> How can I find the version of an installed package?
1873 [20:50:18] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE : during cloning process in clonezilla, I select option for loading grub onto cloned device(128gb pen drive)
1874 [20:50:57] <EoflaOE> thadtheman: You can use "apt-cache policy $package" to get install package version.
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1881 [20:56:27] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: Does it give you an option to drop to a root shell so we can reinstall GRUB to a clone?
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1887 [20:58:45] <uio> Yeah, I don't get that documentation... I
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1891 [21:00:32] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: I am not sure regarding that. Right now I have plugged in cloned pen drive to my laptop......Is there anything I can do from here.
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1893 [21:00:38] <ben__> hi
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1895 [21:01:34] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: to check that I am unable to to live boot clonezilla
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1900 [21:04:36] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: Can you boot Clonezilla from there?
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1903 [21:05:43] <EvanCarroll> is the plan for Debian 10 not to ship gcc-doc?
1904 [21:05:48] <EvanCarroll> that's all kinds of lame.
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1906 [21:05:54] <uio> EoflaOE, It didn't work.
1907 [21:06:16] <uio> EoflaOE, I followed the instructions, resumed, and no dice.
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1909 [21:07:10] <EoflaOE> uio: Did you replace all paths with the Debian one as specified in the note?
1910 [21:07:15] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE : I am to boot it up, but it does not proceed further from the second menu....where we have option to select "Other modes of clonezilla live" --> "clonezilla live to RAM". When I click on clonezilla to live RAM nothing happens......no repsonse and clonezilla live does not load into RAM
1911 [21:07:18] <uio> EoflaOE, Yep.
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1914 [21:08:28] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: Got that. Is the laptop old?
1915 [21:08:29] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: right now I booted back to my laptop with my debian buster installation from hdd......and both usb pendrive are plugged in 4gb(clonezilla live ) and 128gb(debian clonned device)
1916 [21:09:13] <EoflaOE> uio: Looking some more.
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1921 [21:10:05] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: yes it is old....how is that responsible.........some hours back it all worked.....even i am able to see all folders of root partition present on my hdd are exactly copied to 128gb pendrive
1922 [21:10:38] <uio> EoflaOE, in /lib/systemd/system-sleep/makes_sound_work_after_resume.sh I put : replaced-url
1923 [21:10:41] <vsayikiran> only thing I am unable to boot from clonned 128gb pen drive which has exact copy of root partition
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1925 [21:11:02] <uio> EoflaOE, I probably messed upt the script somewhere, but I tried to follow your link.
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1927 [21:12:21] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE : I can see /boot/grub folder and subfolders and files in clonned version
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1933 [21:15:37] <uio> Is that script even executable?
1934 [21:15:41] <EoflaOE> uio: Checking | vsayikiran: On the HDD system, can you mount the cloned USB?
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1937 [21:16:01] <uio> The syntax highlighting seems off.
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1940 [21:16:22] <uio> EoflaOE, Sorry - didn't mean to rush you; you're in three places at once.
1941 [21:17:01] <EoflaOE> uio: It's OK. Did you set appropriate permissions?
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1946 [21:17:56] <uio> EoflaOE, Yep.
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1950 [21:18:39] <nvz> ,v gcc-doc
1951 [21:18:40] <judd> Package: gcc-doc on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 5:4.9.1-3; stretch/contrib: 5:6.1.0-1; buster-backports/contrib: 5:8.3.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/contrib: 5:8.3.0-1; sid/contrib: 5:8.3.0-1
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1954 [21:20:02] <EoflaOE> uio: You're running Debian 10, right?
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1956 [21:21:07] <uio> EoflaOE, Yep!
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1960 [21:22:55] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE : yes it is already mounted
1961 [21:24:07] <EoflaOE> uio: Try this answer, but put the two commands after the "resume)" line. See if it works.
1962 [21:24:13] <EoflaOE> replaced-url
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1964 [21:24:47] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: Open the command prompt, and pastebin the output of "df -h".
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1971 [21:34:00] <uio> EoflaOE, Still no luck. I'll have to try again another day. Thanks for your time :)
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1974 [21:34:13] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: fyi, I cloned from /dev/sda2 to /dev/sdc1
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1977 [21:38:12] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: Try commands one by one: "mount --bind /dev /media/vsayikiran/ROOT/dev", " mount --bind /proc /media/vsayikiran/ROOT/proc", and "mount --bind /sys /media/vsayikiran/ROOT/sys". Make sure to run these with sudo.
1978 [21:38:20] <n_1-c_k> In the hope that someone has accomplished the feat, how do you actually play a game through "doomsday"?
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1981 [21:41:17] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: that will bind my hdd to clonned version in pendrive?. is this is what you intend
1982 [21:42:44] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: No, it will bind /dev, /proc, and /sys to the clone, but is temporary, so they are restored the next time it restarts.
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1984 [21:43:25] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: ok so no need to unbind....
1985 [21:44:25] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: OK. Are there any errors?
1986 [21:46:32] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: no errors
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1988 [21:48:25] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: Now, chroot into it "chroot /media/vsayikiran/ROOT" and you'll see the bash shell. If any errors appear, tell me.
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1991 [21:49:34] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE: done
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1997 [21:51:06] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: Now execute "grub-install /dev/sdb". Pastebin the output.
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2013 [22:00:51] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE : replaced-url
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2015 [22:01:57] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: Yes. Can you do "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" and pastebin it?
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2025 [22:03:07] <hello> hi
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2027 [22:03:19] <hello> anyone?
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2029 [22:03:40] <hello> i am new on irc? cannot understand
2030 [22:04:03] <annadane> hello hello :P
2031 [22:04:16] <annadane> this is a channel for debian support, do you have a question?
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2033 [22:04:26] <hello> is this debian server
2034 [22:04:27] <EoflaOE> hello, Hello. Do you have Debian questions?
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2036 [22:04:45] <hello> i am from GSoC
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2038 [22:05:26] <hello> there is a list of server to join and take help , how to join them
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2041 [22:06:00] <hello> on replaced-url
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2043 [22:06:01] <annadane> you may want to try the #gsoc channel
2044 [22:06:09] <annadane> /join #gsoc
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2047 [22:06:30] <JohnDoe2> I have xubuntu 19.04 installed as the only OS and it won't let me get in to grub menu. I messed up my password at setup so I need to change it. tried shift key, esc, c, space bar, nothing works
2048 [22:07:01] <hello> i have irc://irc.debian.org/debian-java url how to join this server
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2050 [22:07:10] <EoflaOE> JohnDoe2: This is Debian support channel, so guys in #ubuntu may be able to help.
2051 [22:07:25] <vsayikiran> EoflaOE : replaced-url
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2053 [22:07:36] <annadane> hello, i'm not certain how debian-java related to gsoc?
2054 [22:07:42] <annadane> can you elaborate your question?
2055 [22:07:44] <JohnDoe2> oh my bad
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2057 [22:08:05] <hello> well i want to join a server with this link irc://irc.debian.org/debian-java
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2060 [22:08:27] <annadane> oh, okay
2061 [22:08:37] <SerajewelKS> hello: that depends on your IRC client
2062 [22:08:45] <hello> means
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2064 [22:09:16] <hello> i came from hex Chat app
2065 [22:09:26] <SerajewelKS> hello: right now you are on freenode, while irc.debian.org is an alias for OFTC. so first you need to connect to OFTC and then you need to join #debian-java
2066 [22:09:44] <SerajewelKS> hello: if you don't know how to do this then read the documentation for your IRC client
2067 [22:10:13] <annadane> or just go to the navigation bar at the top left, hexchat -> network list
2068 [22:10:21] <annadane> then once on oftc, type /join #debian-java
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2070 [22:10:40] <hello> ok how you came to know that #debian-java is on OFTC
2071 [22:10:48] <annadane> and, my apologies for not understanding your question before, i'm apparently a bit slow today
2072 [22:11:00] <SerajewelKS> hello: because the URL you pasted is "irc://irc.debian.org/debian-java" and irc.debian.org is an alias for OFTC
2073 [22:11:02] <annadane> because most debian channels are on oftc and irc.debian.org and oftc are the same thing
2074 [22:11:19] <hello> got it
2075 [22:12:17] <vsayikiran> Eofla130AM.....my eyes popping out...
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2078 [22:13:07] <hello> how this debian channel is on freenode then??
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2080 [22:13:49] <SerajewelKS> hello: #debian used to be primarily on freenode. later it officially moved to OFTC. this channel is still active as an unofficial channel, however. many of us chose not to switch to OFTC.
2081 [22:13:58] <SerajewelKS> hello: or are active in both channels
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2086 [22:15:43] <EoflaOE> vsayikiran: You can do an alignment check by following this site: replaced-url
2087 [22:15:46] <hello> okay so somehow luckily i chose freenode and typed derbian and joined this channel. Thanks for helping me.
2088 [22:16:26] <sunzero> how can i rerun apt-get install nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver and nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms i mean for broken pkgs i hit ctrl+c and first install, or how to --configure it it again
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2092 [22:20:05] <hello> is hexChat free for windows 10?
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2094 [22:20:38] <Stx> sunzero: did you try 'apt-get --reinstall install pkgname' ?
2095 [22:20:51] <EoflaOE> hello: It's free.
2096 [22:20:55] <annadane> hello, free software as in free speech is also free as in free beer
2097 [22:21:20] <sunzero> stx no
2098 [22:21:30] <annadane> so, yes
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2100 [22:21:41] <sunzero> Stx no i will try
2101 [22:21:46] <sunzero> now
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2103 [22:22:50] <sunzero> Stx how can i use more new nvidia legacy drivers for kernel in buster
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2105 [22:23:57] <sunzero> they are 340x and 390x
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2108 [22:25:59] <Peyam> hi
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2110 [22:26:09] <Peyam> Ive been told that I have an old version of debian
2111 [22:26:14] <Peyam> How do I upgrade it?
2112 [22:26:25] <Stx> sunzero: Not my area, but checkout replaced-url
2113 [22:26:34] <Stx> maybe that will take you closer. :-)
2114 [22:26:43] <sunzero> yep
2115 [22:26:47] <sunzero> i will run it now
2116 [22:26:50] <sunzero> it's nice try
2117 [22:27:02] <Stx> Peyam: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
2118 [22:27:28] <Stx> depending on how old of course, you might need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list file to reflect what branch you want.
2119 [22:27:30] <Peyam> stx that wil only update kernel and other things
2120 [22:27:33] <Peyam> not the distro
2121 [22:27:53] <Peyam> I run Stretch right now. 9.9
2122 [22:27:54] <Stx> checkout the full-upgrade
2123 [22:28:06] <Peyam> is it harmful?
2124 [22:28:12] <sunzero> no
2125 [22:28:12] <EoflaOE> Peyam: Edit the sources.list and change everything "stretch" to "buster"
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2127 [22:28:47] <Peyam> EoflaOE, with out dist-upgrade?
2128 [22:28:50] <Stx> full-upgrade actually performs the same as upgrade but will also remove some packages if needed.
2129 [22:28:53] <SerajewelKS> Peyam: instead of following one-line advice on IRC you should read the release notes
2130 [22:29:05] <Peyam> SerajewelKS, too long
2131 [22:29:06] <hello> Sir where are repos of debian located?
2132 [22:29:07] <SerajewelKS> Peyam: replaced-url
2133 [22:29:15] <SerajewelKS> Peyam: it's only too long if you don't give a shit about your system
2134 [22:29:28] <EoflaOE> Peyam: You need first to do sudo apt update then dist-upgrade it.
2135 [22:29:32] <Peyam> you can not expect me to read such a long note?
2136 [22:29:40] <SerajewelKS> Peyam: yes i can
2137 [22:30:03] <SerajewelKS> Peyam: some stuff has changed in backwards-incompatible ways and if you charge ahead without reading the release notes you're going to screw up something, trust me
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2139 [22:30:17] <Stx> Peyam: Well, simple answer: always have a backup ready when youre doing updates.
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2142 [22:30:42] <SerajewelKS> apt will also mail root about package-specific release notes during the upgrade. these may contain important messages about backwards-incompatible changes to packages. read these as well.
2143 [22:30:56] <Peyam> I did a dist-upgrade
2144 [22:30:58] <Peyam> nothing happened
2145 [22:31:05] <SerajewelKS> hmm
2146 [22:31:15] <SerajewelKS> if only there were a document that leads you through this process
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2148 [22:31:46] <Stx> You need to modify sources.list
2149 [22:31:55] <Stx> To reflect what branch you want to upgrade to
2150 [22:32:01] <Stx> stable, testing,...
2151 [22:32:06] <Peyam> Stx, that is after the step of dist_updrade
2152 [22:32:17] <SerajewelKS> don't use "testing" in sources.list. for that matter, don't use "stable" either. use release names.
2153 [22:32:19] <Peyam> I wonder if full-upgrade would do it for me
2154 [22:32:23] <SerajewelKS> unless you want your system upgrading when you don't want it to
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2156 [22:32:38] <SerajewelKS> there's a specific step Peyam didn't do
2157 [22:32:54] <EoflaOE> Peyam: To make things clearer, first edit the sources.list, then apt update, then apt full-upgrade.
2158 [22:33:49] <Stx> Peyam: I suggest you google it and read about it until you are comfortable with what you are doing.
2159 [22:34:01] <SerajewelKS> Peyam: as an example, if this system used to be jessie, the mechanism in jessie for persistently-naming network interfaces is no longer supported in buster. if you read the release notes you'll see how to fix this. if you don't, you may reboot your box to find you have no network connection.
2160 [22:34:33] <SerajewelKS> it's almost like people painstakingly wrote the release notes so you know exactly what you have to do and what kind of problems to expect
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2164 [22:35:48] <SerajewelKS> (side note: if reading documentation is too much for you then i suggest using a different distro, a different operating system, or simply avoiding computers)
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2168 [22:38:20] <djp_> thank you for the help earlier. resurrected an old laptop for my wife and she is now running debian 10 buster using cinnamon. bloody lovely! i'm envious. :)
2169 [22:38:46] <SerajewelKS> FWIW: EoflaOE and Stx, telling someone to run three commands to upgrade from stretch to buster is quite possibly harmful to their system. the documentation is there for a reason.
2170 [22:39:07] <SerajewelKS> giving people commands to update their system without the documentation is actively harmful
2171 [22:39:14] <half-beard> I've installed a Nvidia 8400GS gfx card in my PC, I set the iGPU to be enabled regardless by enabling the multi-monitor option. Running Debian Buster, KDE Plasma with SDDM. lspci shows both of my GPUs. But Plasma's Displays widget and xrandr only shows whichever GPU I set as primary. How can I get both GPUs to be available without doing a custom static xorg confjg file?
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2174 [22:41:21] <EoflaOE> OK SerajewelKS
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2179 [22:43:34] <SerajewelKS> btw we have a factoid for that, as well
2180 [22:43:36] <SerajewelKS> !stretch->buster
2181 [22:43:47] * SerajewelKS pokes dpkg
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2183 [22:43:57] <SerajewelKS> dpkg: stretch->buster
2184 [22:43:57] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
2185 [22:44:00] <SerajewelKS> there we go
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2194 [22:47:45] <Stx> SerajewelKS: Uh. I only showed him the door.
2195 [22:48:14] <Stx> And to be honest; dpkg´s output wasnt all that different ;)
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2202 [22:55:19] <bolovanos> hi, I would like to update grub on my clonezillla backuped vps to run it on VirtualBox. I have found this manual replaced-url
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2212 [22:59:52] <joltis> bolovanos: Just FYI, Ubuntu is not Debian, so people are not keen on answering usually. Second, I would download an boot image, such as supergrub and boot from that. When you have gotten your system up and running, run update-grub to have it installed
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2214 [23:00:51] <joltis> bolovanos: Also, that article is for Debian Sarge, and the article is now a teenager (13 years old)
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2217 [23:02:27] <bolovanos> joltis, ad ubuntu y I know, thought that does not matter what dist. will be used to. Anyway - I am already in deb netinst debian-edu-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso. Will try to use supergrub
2218 [23:02:47] <bolovanos> ad article - yes I know - was the most relevant to my question on G...
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2312 [23:54:37] <SerajewelKS> any recommendations on a USB-SATA bridge/enclosure that would be good for use in a debian production environment (e.g. hopefully with cooling so it can operate 24x7)
2313 [23:54:48] <SerajewelKS> i haven't had good luck shopping for one
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2319 [23:57:49] <SerajewelKS> i also wasn't sure if there was some concept of an external hotswap 3.5" SATA rack that could somehow connect internally to another system (obviously USB would work but runs into problems with concurrent access)
2320 [23:58:24] <SerajewelKS> i'm trying to decouple storage from the physical constraints of the system itself, but would prefer to avoid a secondary system like a NAS
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