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0[00:00:09] <nvz> yeah, I never had any issues with them at all..
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2[00:00:40] <nvz> only downside is due to the security of the account you cant use it as a seller or such.. they wont allow those kinds of spontaneous deductions that aren't pre-approved
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4[00:01:19] <nvz> even the checks have to be pre-authorized.. you tell them the amount and check number, they set aside the funds, and give you an auth code to write on the check.. so the payee can verify the funds are available
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6[00:01:36] <Andy9> nvz when you buy something above preset limit (like mine is set to $500) they will immediately call your cell to confirm
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8[00:01:48] * martigan sits back and laughs at other problems that could be solved with a privacy.com card
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11[00:02:19] <nvz> privacy.com is a fairly new thing.. and idk about their costs.. but I do the same crap with bluebird and it costs me absolutely nothing
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13[00:03:24] <Andy9> nvz im definitly gonna look it up ;) martigan - that privacy.com looks like another paypal
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14[00:03:52] <martigan> There is no cost. And they have been around for 3-4 years now. I have been using them for every single online transaction for about a year now without any issues. Sites that you need to give a debit card for a free trial for 30 days you can generate a new card and then close it right away without having to worry about getting charged again.
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16[00:04:23] <Andy9> might give them a try when im gonna order something from ebay next time
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20[00:05:26] <nvz> I've used the family accounts on bluebird the same way for over a decade.. they let you creat family accounts in any name.. since they can only get money from the main account it satisfies the legal aspect as its still tied to your SSN, so the name of the family accounts need not be verified
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22[00:05:54] <Andy9> i also bought few times pre-paid Master Card CC for ebay, but twice i left with few bucks on them that i didn't use so it wasn't best idea
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23[00:06:31] <martigan> I'll have to look into that one too. Privacy.com cards will verify agains any billing address and name also. You can use 1234 main street, john smith.
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24[00:07:12] <martigan> Andy9 those Vanilla Visa's are a good option I use too for that kind of stuff before I found privacy.com.
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25[00:08:05] <Andy9> martigan but if u use fake address u might get into trouble, thats exactly what happened to me first time i used prepaid MC; i set up fake name and address and they sent batteries i ordered from china to that fake address instead of my shipping address on ebay lol
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27[00:09:05] <martigan> Ahh, ya I don't buy from ebay. I'm not sure about that.
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28[00:10:11] <martigan> You could probably get your money back if the tracking shows delivered to an address other than whats on your shipping on the order.
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31[00:12:02] <martigan> We just completly hijacked the debain support channel for an hour. lol Sorry everyone.
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32[00:12:19] <Andy9> martigan it was few bucks only for 2 of some weird type batteries, i didn't bother but yeah i could i guess
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33[00:12:25] <Andy9> lol true :)
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35[00:13:09] <Andy9> but no one asked any support questions in that time so no harm done :)
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37[00:14:55] <martigan> There was one person who said "Pardon" or something like that but "Dont ask to ask, just ask" lol
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39[00:15:24] <Andy9> maybe he thought he's in a #payments chan? ;)
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40[00:15:42] <humpled> bloomin bitcoins everywhere
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43[00:15:59] <Andy9> ha ha
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50[00:20:46] <Andy9> has anyone tried putting debian on older Mac?
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52[00:20:59] <Andy9> with those Motorola chips?
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53[00:21:02] <Unplesantry> wahapen to virualbox
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54[00:21:06] <dvs> ppc?
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55[00:21:15] <Andy9> dvs yes
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56[00:21:31] <nvz> Andy9: 32bit ppc support was dropped a while back
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57[00:21:35] <dvs> Andy9, I think PPC support was taken out
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59[00:21:42] <nvz> !ppc
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60[00:21:42] <dpkg> PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
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62[00:21:58] <Andy9> dvs but older distro would work, right?
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64[00:22:07] <nvz> ppc64 is still supported AFAIK but PPC 32bit was dropped a long time ago
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65[00:22:34] <Andy9> nvz i'm sure my dad's very old mac is 32-bit
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66[00:22:39] <dvs> Andy9, sure. Older versions would work but there won't be any support for it.
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67[00:23:08] <Andy9> forget it then. I can't do it on my own without help :)
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68[00:23:12] <Andy9> thx dvs
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75[00:28:12] <Andy9> i'm just thinking i set up debian wrong. i should have set another partition for root, for future upgrades
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77[00:28:56] <dvs> root?
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78[00:28:58] <Unplesantry> support
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79[00:29:02] <Unplesantry> lol
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81[00:29:20] <Unplesantry> like mental support
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82[00:29:28] <Unplesantry> ?
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83[00:29:34] <Andy9> i mean empty partition for system when new version comes
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85[00:30:08] <Andy9> that way i'd install new version to that "second root" and just add it to grub
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86[00:30:20] <Unplesantry> yea
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87[00:30:21] <annadane> Unplesantry, virtualbox is gone in buster because oracle won't... something. forget the reason. they won't give security support for it, or something
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88[00:30:33] <annadane> hang on. lol
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89[00:30:48] <Unplesantry> Andy9: make partition for each os
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90[00:30:50] <Andy9> in case its fucked up or i won't like i just revert grub to the previous "original root" partition, i don't know am i clear
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91[00:30:56] <dvs> Andy9, you can upgrade over an existing installation. Just make sure to back it up before upgrading.
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92[00:31:00] <annadane> judd: bug 794466
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93[00:31:02] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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94[00:31:06] <annadane> Unplesantry, ^
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95[00:31:27] <Unplesantry> with linux u can even move os to a diff partition
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96[00:31:47] <Andy9> dvs backing up is too time consuming, having separate "root" partitions for each version is much faster
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97[00:31:54] <dvs> ha!
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98[00:31:59] <dvs> That's asking for trouble
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99[00:32:05] <Andy9> is it?
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100[00:32:26] <dvs> absolutely
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102[00:32:59] <dvs> The partitions that are shared may be upgraded to the new version.
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103[00:33:03] <annadane> but is it?!
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105[00:33:51] <Andy9> you probly know better; i'm just talking from windows user point of view. That's how i set up windozes on every box (2 windozes, second one is minimal and invisible to the the "main one", but selectable in boot loader - so if anything goes wrong with "main windoze" i boot to the second one)
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111[00:37:04] <Andy9> laugh it out guys, but i already made snapshot of debian's partitions with windows ;)
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114[00:38:48] <CaptainDusty> annadane: I thought you just needed non-free?
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116[00:39:07] <annadane> ,v virtualbox
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117[00:39:08] <CaptainDusty> annadane: Oooh! lol @ 794466
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118[00:39:09] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.10-dfsg-4
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119[00:39:17] <annadane> yeah, nope, sorry
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120[00:39:23] <CaptainDusty> Nice.
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121[00:39:34] <annadane> one rich asshole called larry ellison
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123[00:39:51] <Andy9> ?
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124[00:40:14] <annadane> oracle is headed by larry ellison and has a rich tradition of killing everything they acquire
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127[00:40:39] <annadane> so O.R.A.C.L.E = One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
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128[00:40:40] <Andy9> oh ic
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129[00:41:04] <Andy9> sounds like Google's daddy lol
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131[00:41:37] <Unplesantry> oracle is that woman from the matrix
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132[00:41:56] <Unplesantry> she make the cookies
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133[00:42:15] <Andy9> yea but she didnt have any for Neo
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134[00:42:22] <raidensnake> any idea why a fake kms driver stops x from starting properly?
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137[00:43:10] <raidensnake> it just gives me a blank screen
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142[00:44:53] <Andy9> Time to walk out my doggie ;) have a good one every1
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150[00:49:27] <martigan> Have a good one!
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178[01:12:42] <spectral_> i have been having some issues installing steam, used a flatpak thing but then could not update it and now i am having issues installing the deb file, i prefer to figure stuff out myself cause asking feels a little weird but i feel like theres some fundamental misunderstanding about something idk
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179[01:13:27] <spectral_> root@hurrgh:/home/spectre# dpkg -i steam_latest.deb
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180[01:13:27] <spectral_> dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
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181[01:13:27] <spectral_> dpkg: warning: 'start-stop-daemon' not found in PATH or not executable
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182[01:13:27] <spectral_> dpkg: error: 2 expected programs not found in PATH or not executable
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183[01:13:27] <spectral_> Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin
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185[01:13:28] <dpkg> spectral_: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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188[01:14:54] <spectral_> i am sorry about that i thought it would post as one message i was pasting it
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189[01:16:08] <spectral_> i did not read the startup thing well wont do that again
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198[01:20:22] <humpled> ldconfig is /sbin/ldconfig, and comes with the libc-bin package, seems likely you would have that
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201[01:23:17] <annadane> well okay, two different things
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202[01:23:30] <annadane> 1) to access sbin in buster, use su - instead of su
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205[01:23:54] <annadane> 2) pick one method... if you're having issues installing steam via apt, address those issues first instead of trying 3 different solutions
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207[01:24:31] <annadane> "hi debian support channel, i installed steam via the repository and am having xyz issues, can anyone help?"
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209[01:25:25] <nvz> spectral_: these are not debian issues
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211[01:25:46] <annadane> flatpak is probably fine, but you're trusting flatpak which is a level of abstraction over just using what debian provides. and dpkg -i <package>.deb is just a workaround hack
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216[01:27:03] <annadane> they're all workaround hacks until you can actually ascertain that there's no other options once you've tried the direct solution
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217[01:27:03] <nvz> ,v steam
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218[01:27:03] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
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219[01:27:10] <nvz> ,v steam --arch i386
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220[01:27:11] <judd> Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; buster/non-free: 1.0.0.59-4; bullseye/non-free: 1.0.0.61-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.61-2
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223[01:27:42] <nvz> what you're doing is installing crap that wasnt packaged in debian and is looking for crap not in debian
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226[01:28:15] <nvz> the buster version is a bit behind, but those bullseye/sid versions are the latest available right now
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3145[03:18:09] <annadane> lol
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3280[03:55:58] <warsoul> hello guys
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3281[03:56:02] <warsoul> i installed debian 10
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3282[03:56:13] <warsoul> but i dont have no internet connection
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3283[03:57:21] <f82k> Need more info. What type of install? full, minimal?
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3284[03:57:36] <f82k> How do you connect to thew internet?
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3285[03:57:51] <warsoul> debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-cinnamon
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3286[03:57:56] <warsoul> 2.5gb
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3287[03:58:12] <f82k> Ethernet or wireless?
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3289[03:58:25] <warsoul> none
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3290[03:58:33] <warsoul> wireless
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3291[03:58:36] <warsoul> sorry
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3292[03:58:58] <f82k> And it's not seeing the adatper?
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3293[03:59:01] <f82k> adapter?*
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3294[03:59:08] <warsoul> but now when install finish
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3295[03:59:15] <warsoul> on network is just ethernet
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3299[04:00:20] <f82k> What interfaces show up if you type ip link show?
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3301[04:00:43] <warsoul> i havent done that yet
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3306[04:04:44] <warsoul> ?
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3309[04:07:43] <f82k> then do it and tell me?
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3310[04:08:30] <warsoul> ok
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3317[04:10:24] <mikeymop> can someone offer lvm advice?
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3328[04:22:23] <wsoul> hi is me warsoul
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3329[04:22:27] <wsoul> i did ip link
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3330[04:22:42] <wsoul> sorry took some time i have to start another pc
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3331[04:22:57] <wsoul> what info you guys need of ip link
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3332[04:22:58] <wsoul> ?
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3343[04:31:17] <wsoul> hello
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3347[04:34:21] <raidensnake> shame mesa 19 can't be ported to buster as ithe arm version works on the pi 4.
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3354[04:38:52] <warsoul`> F82k done
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3355[04:38:55] <warsoul`> What info you need?
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3362[04:42:38] <warsoul`> No ethernet or wifi connection available
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3365[04:44:13] <warsoul`> Please need help
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3371[04:46:47] <warsoul> hello
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3377[04:56:43] <annadane> warsoul, possible you need the non free firmware image
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3378[04:56:47] <annadane> if it's wireless internet
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3379[04:57:00] <annadane> do you want the live image or the regular installer image?
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3380[04:57:19] <kirk781> Ethernet connection is automatically detected on Debian[or for that fact, on almost any distro]
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3383[05:02:44] <SerajewelKS> oh boy, owncloud isn't compatible with 7.3, but the 7.0 redis module isn't available in buster for $REASON
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3385[05:03:04] <SerajewelKS> or, rather, the package is called php-redis which means that it was automatically upgraded to the package that provides the 7.3 module
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3386[05:03:20] <SerajewelKS> despite other packages using php$VERISION-$EXTNAME
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3390[05:04:44] <SerajewelKS> and apcu is the same way -_-
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3392[05:05:14] <SerajewelKS> so i guess no memcache for owncloud
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3395[05:07:00] <SerajewelKS> apparently doesn't matter anyway since it requires php-curl and php7.0-curl can't be installed on buster with 7.3 and libcurl4 :/
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3398[05:08:23] <_Cute_Kitty_> hi guys, i'm having trouble connecting to my university wpa2 enterprise network via WICD network manager
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3400[05:08:46] <_Cute_Kitty_> first, it was saying bad password, but now it's just saying "done connecting," like it takes my password
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3401[05:08:53] <_Cute_Kitty_> but it still isn't connected and internet doesn't work
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3407[05:14:16] <_Cute_Kitty_> i also messed up my templates doing that configuring, how do i reset them?
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3426[05:28:27] <_Cute_Kitty_> if i purge wicd will that remove /etc/wicd/templates?
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3427[05:28:45] <_Cute_Kitty_> so that when i reinstall it everything will go back to stock?
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3430[05:30:10] <dvs> _Cute_Kitty_, I thought "apt --reinstall install wicd" would reset the package.
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3435[05:32:11] <_Cute_Kitty_> ok got it.
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3436[05:32:29] <_Cute_Kitty_> dvs: what is the correct setting for encryption for using wicd to connect to a wpa2 enterprise network?
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3437[05:32:45] <_Cute_Kitty_> i don't have a domain or a ca cert, i just have my email and password
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3438[05:32:48] <dvs> _Cute_Kitty_, I don't use wicd
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3440[05:32:59] <_Cute_Kitty_> do you know a better manager to use for debian?
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3441[05:33:02] <_Cute_Kitty_> i have xfce too btw
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3444[05:33:25] <_Cute_Kitty_> i just need to connect to the wifi here
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3446[05:34:46] <scrps> _Cute_Kitty_: if my memory serves me right WPA2 enterprise uses radius which requires a certificate to complete the authentication, wont work with just a user/pass
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3447[05:35:00] <maxrazer> does anyone know how to set a default application for a URL protocol?
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3449[05:35:17] <_Cute_Kitty_> but it works on windows 10 without one srcps: and on iphone. i punch in my user/pass and i'm in
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3450[05:36:48] <scrps> _Cute_Kitty_: I stand corrected it can just use user/pass, it has to be set to either peap or eap
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3451[05:37:34] <_Cute_Kitty_> ok
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3452[05:37:45] <de-facto> is there a way to install mt76 drivers on debian? dkms something?
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3453[05:38:03] <_Cute_Kitty_> so wpa2 peap nodomain?
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3455[05:38:38] <scrps> _Cute_Kitty_: could try it
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3456[05:38:47] <_Cute_Kitty_> scrps: what network manager would you recommend
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3457[05:38:55] <_Cute_Kitty_> i have wicd uninstalled right now
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3459[05:39:24] <_Cute_Kitty_> the only ones i know of are gnome network manager and wicd
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3460[05:40:11] <Abdullah> _Cute_Kitty_: systemd-networkd I use for now
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3461[05:40:26] <_Cute_Kitty_> can that connect to wpa2 eneterprise?
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3462[05:40:42] <Abdullah> I think yeah it can
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3463[05:42:07] <scrps> _Cute_Kitty_: I just use wpa_supplicant, you might want to look to see if your university's IT dept has the settings listed on a site somewhere
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3464[05:43:02] <Abdullah> scrps: using wpa_supplicant for everything networking related?
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3465[05:44:08] <_Cute_Kitty_> found an easier way to connect
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3466[05:44:14] <scrps> Abdullah: no lol just for wireless
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3467[05:45:44] <_Cute_Kitty_> default network-manager package does just what i need
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3468[05:45:44] <Abdullah> scrps: what do you use for dns scrps ? I mena is your wireless has nameserver configuration?
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3469[05:46:02] <Abdullah> _Cute_Kitty_: so use it.
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3470[05:46:09] <_Cute_Kitty_> yes
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3471[05:46:09] <_Cute_Kitty_> \
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3472[05:46:18] <_Cute_Kitty_> i'm going to use it thanks
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3474[05:46:36] <_Cute_Kitty_> is it just sudo apt-get install network-manager or gnome-network-manager
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3475[05:46:38] <_Cute_Kitty_> what's the difference?
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3477[05:48:03] <coruja> cli vs gui interface (and it's network-manager-gnome)
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3478[05:48:23] <_Cute_Kitty_> i can't install network-manager! because i don't have internet on my raspberry pi
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3479[05:48:42] <_Cute_Kitty_> ethernet doesn't work either since i don't have any network manager
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3480[05:48:45] <nvz> well network-manager is a package, and gnome-network-manager isn't
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3481[05:48:53] <nvz> network-manager-gnome however is
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3482[05:48:58] <nvz> ,i network-manager-gnome
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3483[05:48:59] <judd> Package network-manager-gnome (gnome, optional) in buster/amd64: network management framework (GNOME frontend). Version: 1.8.20-1.1; Size: 1005.5k; Installed: 5921k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3486[05:49:09] <_Cute_Kitty_> so what do i do with that package?
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3487[05:49:32] <nvz> you install it, and it'll put an icon into any panel that has a notification area
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3488[05:49:44] <nvz> like mate-panel, gnome-panel, etc
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3489[05:49:53] <_Cute_Kitty_> you mean network-manager-applet
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3491[05:50:03] <nvz> where are you getting this crap?
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3492[05:50:08] <nvz> ,i network-manager-applet
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3493[05:50:09] <_Cute_Kitty_> what crap
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3494[05:50:09] <judd> No package named 'network-manager-applet' was found in buster/amd64.
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3495[05:50:15] <nvz> you are making up package names
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3496[05:50:17] <_Cute_Kitty_> the link above
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3497[05:50:24] <_Cute_Kitty_> replaced-url
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3499[05:50:40] <nvz> are you even using debian?
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3500[05:50:43] <_Cute_Kitty_> yes
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3501[05:50:48] <nvz> do you have any clue at all how the package manager works?
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3502[05:50:53] <_Cute_Kitty_> no
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3503[05:50:58] <_Cute_Kitty_> it doesn't
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3504[05:51:01] <_Cute_Kitty_> without internet :)
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3506[05:51:21] <warsoul> I don't have internet either
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3507[05:51:23] <nvz> and let me guess you installed LXDE or LXQT and have wicd
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3508[05:51:34] <_Cute_Kitty_> i did have wicd, and i don't have lxde
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3509[05:51:36] <_Cute_Kitty_> i use xfce
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3510[05:51:43] <_Cute_Kitty_> i have nothing right now
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3511[05:52:03] <nvz> wicd is total shit.. it is the most likely to insure you dont get connected
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3512[05:52:17] <_Cute_Kitty_> thanks it's uninstalled though so not helpful
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3513[05:52:31] <nvz> apt install network-manager-gnome
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3514[05:52:49] <_Cute_Kitty_> that would be great but i'm plugged into ethernet now and it's not working
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3515[05:53:10] <_Cute_Kitty_> unable to fetch archives
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3516[05:53:13] <nvz> _Cute_Kitty_: dhclient e<tab>
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3519[05:53:40] <_Cute_Kitty_> dhclient command not found
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3520[05:53:53] <nvz> yeah you have to be root
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3522[05:54:32] <_Cute_Kitty_> too few arguments
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3523[05:54:32] <alkisg> _Cute_Kitty_: you need to have /sbin in your path to run dhclient
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3524[05:54:35] <nvz> ip a
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3525[05:54:38] <nvz> 2: enp0s25: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000
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3526[05:54:41] <nvz> should have a line like that
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3527[05:54:51] <_Cute_Kitty_> yes
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3528[05:55:02] <nvz> then do sudo dhclient enp0s25
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3529[05:55:07] <nvz> or whatever your interface name is
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3530[05:55:20] <_Cute_Kitty_> working
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3531[05:55:33] <nvz> we cleverly made the interface names "predictable" so we can't predict what they'll be for support purposes :P
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3532[05:55:34] <_Cute_Kitty_> thanks, i'll download network-manager-gnome now
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3533[05:55:36] <_Cute_Kitty_> thank you for your help
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3535[05:56:31] <nvz> setting predictable names as the default was a dumb idea..
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3537[05:57:02] <_Cute_Kitty_> i didn't make debian
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3538[05:57:07] <nvz> it breaks many drivers/adapters for one thing, it makes support more difficult, all for a feature only useful for servers with more than one nick active for bridges
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3539[05:57:32] <_Cute_Kitty_> i'll ping tinus lorvald real quick and see why that is
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3540[05:57:33] <nvz> and people doing that should know how to enable it if they wanted it
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3541[05:58:00] <nvz> Linus had little to do with it.. Linus has little at all to do with what debian does
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3542[05:58:15] <nvz> any code he wrote or managed has been heavily patched
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3543[05:58:38] <_Cute_Kitty_> lol. i know that. in fact i just watched a video where he said he never used debian since 2007 when it was too hard to install
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3544[05:58:58] <nvz> You wanna learn a Debian Significant name or two.. Chris Lamby, project lead.. Michael Biebl Debian systemd maintainer.. etc
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3547[06:00:32] <coruja> it's the job of a distributor to patch linux and other software to fit the distribution's needs, not tease linus or lennart or whoever
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3549[06:00:57] <_Cute_Kitty_> linus roarvald
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3551[06:02:35] <_Cute_Kitty_> the network manager applet in my notification area says :wifi networks,device not managed
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3552[06:02:40] <_Cute_Kitty_> why is that?
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3553[06:03:12] <nvz> _Cute_Kitty_: have you fooled with files like /etc/network/interfaces ?
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3554[06:03:18] <_Cute_Kitty_> probably
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3555[06:03:27] <nvz> _Cute_Kitty_: well then you should probably unfool with them
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3558[06:04:07] <nvz> _Cute_Kitty_: any interface declared in /etc/network/interfaces or an /etc/network/interfaces.d/ file will be ignored by network-manager and considered already managed
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3559[06:04:18] <_Cute_Kitty_> how do i do that. when i open "advanced" network configuration i can see my interfaces
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3560[06:04:22] <_Cute_Kitty_> i created one with wifi already
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3561[06:04:39] <_Cute_Kitty_> but on my other debian install the icon in the notification area, when i click on it, shows all networks available
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3562[06:05:14] * nvz has other things to do, is not going to repeat the same things over and over
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3565[06:05:48] <_Cute_Kitty_> thanks for the help
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3566[06:06:40] <nvz> _Cute_Kitty_: if that file or any files in that directory I mentioned speak of anything other than the interface lo, then thats why they dont work
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3568[06:07:01] <nvz> network-manager won't touch managed interfaces that are configured elsewhere
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3569[06:07:54] <_Cute_Kitty_> ok let me check that directory
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3570[06:08:27] <_Cute_Kitty_> in /etc/network/ i have a interfaces.d folder and an interfaces file
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3571[06:08:40] <_Cute_Kitty_> there is nothing in the interfaces.d folder
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3574[06:11:10] <nvz> ant the interfaces file?
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3575[06:11:43] <_Cute_Kitty_> i nanoed this file /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and changed managed from false to true
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3576[06:11:48] <_Cute_Kitty_> now i'm rebooting
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3577[06:12:10] <_Cute_Kitty_> now it just says device not ready instead of device not managede
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3579[06:13:50] <_Cute_Kitty_> the interfaces file contents are here nvz: paste.debian.net/1096907
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3580[06:14:33] <_Cute_Kitty_> also, i'm sorry my typing is clunky, i have a huge bandaid on my first finger that's preventing me from typing very well
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3581[06:15:36] <_Cute_Kitty_> so, should the file /etc/networkmanager/networkmanager.conf have the tab [ifupdown] managed=true or false?
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3582[06:15:47] <_Cute_Kitty_> it was set to false before, but i changed it to true as mentioned above
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3584[06:16:26] <nvz> I have used network manager probably a decade and never once looked at or touched that file
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3585[06:16:33] <_Cute_Kitty_> oh
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3587[06:16:49] <nvz> but maybe I could hire the "an den" lady to keep saying "and den interfaces file..?"
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3594[06:25:04] <alkisg> My question is, would installing via the text installer and selecting the mate desktop result in less packages?
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3595[06:25:43] <chrystian> Hi guys I'm trying to power on numlock on splash screen someone can guideme?
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3598[06:30:27] <Oksana> How will my network interfaces survive if I have only ifup-lo and ifup-enp0s3 and ifconfig shows additionally enp0s8 which cannot be controlled with ifup?
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3601[06:32:06] <BazookaTooth> alkisg: text installer is always going be much less unwanted stuff
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3602[06:32:13] <nvz> alkisg: installing with an installer image rather than a live image would make a difference
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3603[06:32:40] <nvz> the live results in an install twice the size with a bunch of lanaguage packs and such
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3604[06:32:44] <alkisg> BazookaTooth, nvz, thank you guys, I thought they would both rely on the same "tasks"; I guess I'll reinstall using the text installer
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3605[06:33:45] <BazookaTooth> alkisg: meta packages are a thing but just pick what you need and you won't grab anything else but the needed deps
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3616[06:44:17] <alkisg> I'm trying to decide which iso to download for a buster/mate/non-free-firmware installation.
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3617[06:44:17] <alkisg> Question1: for the non-free part, I can just `apt install firmware-linux-nonfree` later, right? Or do the non-free CDs preinstall more firmware that I might need and can't find via apt? (the installation will be cloned to multiple computers)
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3618[06:44:17] <alkisg> Question2: due to my networking, it'll be much faster for me to download a big iso rather than use the netinstaller. Which big iso has mate, or at least most of the packages that a mate installation will need?
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3619[06:44:57] * alkisg is looking at replaced-url
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3623[06:50:51] <Oksana> chrystian: The login screen? replaced-url
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3625[06:52:58] <chrystian> Thanks Oksana I used that solution but doesn't worked on Debian 10
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3629[06:57:19] <coruja> alkisg, there's also replaced-url
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3633[07:00:52] <coruja> alkisg, and replaced-url
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3635[07:01:57] <alkisg> Thank you coruja, looking...
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3646[07:17:56] <alkisg> Yey, the text installer didn't end up having ibus, fcitx etc etc installed; the keyboard layout was configured just fine :)
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3647[07:18:45] <alkisg> And needed 4 GB instead of 10 GB. Much better.
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3649[07:20:05] <alkisg> !sources.list
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3650[07:20:05] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3651[07:20:16] <alkisg> !non-free
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3652[07:20:16] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
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3654[07:20:23] <alkisg> !non-free sources
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3655[07:20:23] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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3658[07:22:57] <alkisg> "three main Debian mirror lines"; replaced-url
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3664[07:25:22] <ddelony> Is there a specific channel for discussing Running Debian on Crostini on Chrome OS?
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3677[07:35:35] <starsnet> hi all)
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3679[07:36:44] <starsnet> Will programs from debian 9 work on debian 8 ?
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3680[07:37:45] <alkisg> starsnet: normally no, they'll have different dependencies; why don't you want to upgrade debian instead?
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3681[07:38:07] <starsnet> i cant)
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3683[07:38:22] <starsnet> upgrade. i have debian8 on mips
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3684[07:38:50] <starsnet> and can not find packages for deb8ian (
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3687[07:42:43] <themill> mips is a supported architecture in stretch
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3691[07:45:54] <warsoul> i have cinnamon installed
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3692[07:46:05] <warsoul> when i click menu i dont see terminal
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3695[07:47:58] <starsnet> themill: i know. but i havn'e strech for my board (mips ci 20 )
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3697[07:48:07] <starsnet> havn't
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3700[07:50:44] <wroathe> The libmariadb package in buster only includes a shared object, libmariadb.so, but the package in stretch also includes the static object, libmariadb.a. Does anyone know why they're no longer packaging the static object?
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3701[07:51:33] <wroathe> Furthermore, dpkg -S libmariadb.a doesn't print any results
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3703[07:54:11] <themill> it's pretty unusual to ship static objects in Debian packages at all -- that is perhaps relevant
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3707[07:54:37] <warsoul> is multilangual terminal the only terminal?
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3708[07:54:42] <warsoul> im using cinnamon
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3710[07:54:51] <warsoul> as desktop envirorment
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3712[07:56:06] <wroathe> themill: Ah, so they might have fixed the bug then
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3713[07:56:13] <wroathe> I'm asking over at #maria
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3715[07:57:24] <wroathe> Is there an easier way to get the static object than pulling down the sources and compiling it from scratch?
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3716[07:57:27] <wroathe> window 5
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3720[08:00:49] <wroathe> My use-case is that I'm trying to compile a binary statically for a docker image, and then the plan is to remove all of the installed libraries after it compiles
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3786[08:54:35] <ayekat> holymoly - I'm really glad I made a system snapshot *right* before this last -Syu, because in pacdiff, I just accidentally chose "overwrite with pacnew" for pacman.conf
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3787[08:55:19] * ayekat gives his empty coffee cup a skeptical look - "too weak, my dear"
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3789[08:56:07] <ayekat> oh - I'm in the wrong channel - I'm sorry
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3790[08:56:42] <ayekat> but take-away message - always do your backups! *hurries away*
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3791[08:57:29] <Haohmaru> -Syu? pacdiff? pacman? arch linux?
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3792[08:57:36] * Haohmaru calls the debian police
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3793[08:57:42] <ayekat> ^^
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3796[08:59:20] <Abdullah> arch linux got alot of packages from debian :)
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3797[08:59:34] <hexhorse> how to route bluetooth audio to raspberry pi fm transmitter
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3800[09:00:16] <Haohmaru> hexhorse what OS are you running there?
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3801[09:00:26] <hexhorse> raspbian cluster
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3802[09:00:34] <hexhorse> raspbian buster
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3803[09:00:37] <Haohmaru> what's the name of this channel?
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3804[09:00:39] <hexhorse> sorry
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3808[09:01:12] <Haohmaru> 879239283 distributions are based on debian
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3810[09:01:18] <ayekat> !based on debian
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3811[09:01:18] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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3812[09:02:07] <no_gravity> In Debian 10, where would you guys put "powertop --auto-tune" so it is run on startup?
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3814[09:02:51] <ayekat> no_gravity: unless you've already tried that and it has turned out to cause issues, I'd run it as a service
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3816[09:03:09] <no_gravity> ayekat: How do you run a service?
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3820[09:03:44] <ratrace> no_gravity: replaced-url
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3823[09:04:42] <Abdullah> powertop runs as root
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3824[09:05:01] <no_gravity> ratrace: Is that really the right place for a thing that should only be run once at startup?
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3825[09:05:05] <ratrace> oh look, archlinux already has full example for it: replaced-url
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3826[09:05:16] <ratrace> no_gravity: yes, Type=oneshot are "run once on startup" types
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3827[09:05:48] <no_gravity> There is no "run these scripts once at startup" directory in Debian 10?
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3828[09:06:25] <Haohmaru> autoexec.bat
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3831[09:06:41] <_2E0LNX> I guess rc.local has been done away with then?
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3835[09:07:14] <ratrace> rc.local is a hack. under systemd, writing proper services is the way to go
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3836[09:07:35] <ayekat> no_gravity: no, the init system (in this case systemd) runs services/daemons at startup, and every action you want to have run automatically at startup must thus be written as a service
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3838[09:08:24] <ayekat> it may seem like a lot of overhead, but it makes tracking and managing things easier in the end
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3839[09:08:44] <no_gravity> How would that overhead be beneficial if I only want to run a command at startup?
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3842[09:09:03] <ayekat> no_gravity: if the command fails, you can query the journal for "give me everything related to that one service"
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3843[09:09:15] <ratrace> with the proper service unit you can define dependencies (eg. start something after network is online), and its stdout/stderr is tracked by journal so you can easily look it up
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3844[09:09:57] <ayekat> oh yes, that too - and you can also easily detect in case it fails (e.g. `systemctl` or `systemctl status` tells you about everything that went wrong)
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3845[09:10:03] <no_gravity> ratrace: If I just put commands in a file, they will be executed one after the other. No need for a service to have order.
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3846[09:10:04] <ratrace> precisely
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3849[09:10:42] <ratrace> no_gravity: in these 5 minutes you've been here asking how NOT to use systemd services, you could've written the 8 line unit file that's posted on the archlinux wiki i pasted above, and you'd be done with it.
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3850[09:10:54] <Haohmaru> no_gravity they will be executed in series, which will potentially be slower
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3851[09:11:14] <no_gravity> So I will add a file to /etc/systemd/system/?
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3852[09:11:17] <Haohmaru> afaik systemd is all about starting things up faster, in parallel where possible
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3853[09:11:38] <ratrace> no_gravity: yes, and run `systemctl daemon-reload` to make systemd aware of it, and that's pretty much it. reboot to test.
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3854[09:11:50] <ratrace> Haohmaru: "all about"? not in the slightest.
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3856[09:12:03] <ayekat> Haohmaru: strictly speaking, the "faster and in parallel" is more of a nice side effect of its design
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3857[09:12:07] <Haohmaru> hm, wasn't that one of its selling points?
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3859[09:12:12] <ratrace> parallel exec is just one minor benefit of systemd's palette of functions
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3861[09:12:53] <no_gravity> Is powertop really in "/usr/bin/powertop"?
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3863[09:13:41] <ratrace> `which powertop`
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3865[09:14:13] <no_gravity> ratrace: What does that give you?
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3867[09:14:28] <ratrace> i don't have powertop installed
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3868[09:14:33] <Haohmaru> it knows which thing depends on which, so it can solve the exec order and run as many things in parallel as possible, i'd think the previous equivalents of systemd didn't know the dependencies and running things in parallel would've involved a certain amount of "luck" ;P~
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3873[09:14:53] <no_gravity> Haohmaru: I see
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3874[09:15:09] <Haohmaru> i remember in the my not-so-distant early days of "linux" i was writing init.d scripts x_x
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3875[09:15:14] <ratrace> no_gravity: quick perusal of this puts it in /usr/sbin/ replaced-url
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3877[09:15:47] <ratrace> init.d scripts were always "fun" to write :)
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3879[09:15:57] <Haohmaru> not for me
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3880[09:16:05] <ratrace> note the quotes
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3881[09:16:10] <Haohmaru> i don't think i've written a systemd service yet
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3883[09:16:47] <ayekat> if you don't do any sysadmin, it's possible you never need to touch unit files
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3884[09:16:59] <ayekat> but the same can be said about init scripts, I guess
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3885[09:17:06] <Haohmaru> yeah
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3886[09:17:09] <ratrace> systemd units are very powerful, in advanced setups you can containerize and isolate your service, force apparmor or selinux profiles, and do many more nifty things.
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3887[09:17:24] <Haohmaru> i had to deal with init.d on a few machines that had to have vnc x_x
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3888[09:17:37] <ratrace> they have much more power than just "start this after or before this"
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3889[09:17:40] * ayekat especially appreciates user units
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3890[09:18:18] <hsny> last week i've upgraded from stretch to buster. since then my system went slow, it crashes all day long, I can't even start Brackets or any text editor, it's been a bad week! how should i go about troubleshooting it? thanks
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3892[09:18:40] <ratrace> hsny: start with the logs and see what happens when it crashes?
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3893[09:19:13] <hsny> ok.
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3896[09:19:47] <no_gravi1y> Hello
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3897[09:19:51] <no_gravi1y> My internet went down.
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3898[09:19:59] <no_gravi1y> Now im back :)
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3899[09:20:16] <Haohmaru> you picked it up
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3900[09:20:35] <no_gravi1y> I forgot where we stopped ...
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3901[09:21:16] <Haohmaru> you were going to make a systemd service, the archlinux wiki page that someone posted explains exactly what you want to do
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3902[09:21:28] <Haohmaru> (on first sight)
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3903[09:21:32] * ratrace is that someone
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3904[09:21:34] <no_gravi1y> Ah yes. vim /etc/systemd/system/powertop.service
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3905[09:22:00] <no_gravi1y> I wonder why that is not the default.
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3906[09:22:13] <no_gravi1y> That Debian runs powertop --auto-tune on startup.
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3908[09:22:50] <Haohmaru> uh, "Powertop is a tool provided by Intel to enable.."
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3910[09:23:24] <Haohmaru> maybe it doesn't make sense on non-intel machines or it's non-free or something
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3911[09:24:05] <ayekat> Haohmaru: some people may not want to automatically have it "set all tunable options to their good setting without interaction"
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3912[09:24:17] <Haohmaru> or that
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3913[09:24:27] <ayekat> oh, wrong tag
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3914[09:24:32] <ayekat> no_gravi1y: ^^
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3915[09:24:34] <Haohmaru> and it seems it doesn't get "started" by default on archlinux either
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3916[09:25:06] <ayekat> well, for one it doesn't come with a packaged service file already :-)
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3918[09:25:17] <ayekat> (otherwise that wiki wouldn't instruct people to write one themselves)
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3920[09:25:47] <no_gravi1y> Ok, let me restart and see what happens .. one moment ..
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3922[09:25:54] <Haohmaru> iirc neither did the vnc servers came with premade startup scripts/services
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3923[09:26:50] <hsny> ratrace: is there any troubleshooting tips apart from looking at log? what could i do to make it run smoothly again?
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3924[09:26:54] <Haohmaru> but it is said that having vnc server running all the time is usually a bad idea, and/or needs special attention
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3926[09:27:36] <no_gravity> Here I am again. Tunables are bad again.
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3927[09:27:37] <no_gravity> So it seems powertop did not kick in on startup.
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3928[09:28:06] <no_gravity> Prove that this whole "service" thing sucks :)
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3929[09:28:25] <no_gravity> What magic will tell me why now?
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3932[09:30:48] <ayekat> no_gravity: did you enable the service?
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3933[09:31:03] <no_gravity> ayekat: No
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3934[09:31:10] <ayekat> no_gravity: then it won't automatically run on startup
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3935[09:31:29] <ayekat> systemctl enable foobar.service
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3937[09:31:47] <ratrace> hsny: the most important thing is figuring out _why_ it is crashing
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3938[09:31:48] <no_gravity> Id doesnt look into that dir and execute whats there?
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3939[09:31:54] <no_gravity> *It* doesnt look into that dir and execute whats there?
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3941[09:33:05] <ratrace> no_gravity: no
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3942[09:33:06] <ayekat> no_gravity: no
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3944[09:33:42] <no_gravity> Ok.. restarting again ...
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3950[09:35:12] <no_gravity> Here we go again. Tunables are good now!
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3951[09:35:16] <no_gravity> Hallellujah!
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3952[09:35:19] <no_gravity> Thanks everybody!
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3953[09:35:46] <humpled> "..this whole service thing sucks.."?
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3954[09:36:54] <no_gravity> humpled: It's more complex then having a dir with scripts that get executed.
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3955[09:37:19] <no_gravity> humpled: Cannot say anything about the upsides. Would have to see numbers about how much it speeds up a restart.
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3959[09:38:22] <hsny> ratrace: always when the os boots up it gives me: /dev/sda5: recovering journal /dev/sda5: Clearing orphaned inode...
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3960[09:38:59] <hsny> ratrace: which log file should i be monitoring?
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3962[09:39:04] <ayekat> no_gravity: again, systemd is not about speed - and while it may seem more complex to you, I'd argue that in the end it makes things simpler and more elegant than hacked-together shell scripts
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3963[09:41:12] <no_gravity> ayekat: If it does not speed things up, my money is on it being a net negative for the world.
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3964[09:41:15] <ayekat> no_gravity: (also, while "it is not about speed", it *does* speed up things quite considerably as opposed to the linear init scripts approach)
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3966[09:41:58] <no_gravity> Elegant scripts versus a hacked-together pile of bloat. My money is on the beautiful scripts.
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3967[09:42:23] <humpled> ayekat, you seem to be using logic against emotion
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3968[09:42:25] <Haohmaru> my init.d scripts were hacked together
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3971[09:42:56] <Haohmaru> i know systemd has been (and probably still is) hated, but the idea makes sense
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3972[09:42:58] <ayekat> no_gravity: alright, if you want to start a systemd debate, -> there is the door - this kind of discussion has been had countless times in the past decade
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3974[09:43:14] <Haohmaru> one thing that is designed to handle loading and starting up the system
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3976[09:44:14] <Haohmaru> just, why does it say "resuming from hybernation" is a mystery
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3991[09:53:24] <ratrace> Haohmaru: it is hated by a tiny, yet vocal, minority and primarily not for technical reasons, but emotional.
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3994[09:53:48] <ratrace> eh i was bout to answer to hsny.... oh well...
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4000[09:55:46] <Haohmaru> in systemctl status, i see 1 unit has failed, but i don't see which one
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4001[09:56:06] <ratrace> Haohmaru: systemctl list-units --failed
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4003[09:56:26] <Haohmaru> ah, saw it with running just "systemctl"
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4018[10:07:27] <no_gravity> One issue I noticed with "powertop --auto-tune" on startup is that the keyboard and mouse get wonky. I have to unplug and replug them once after each boot to make them work normally.
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4020[10:07:45] <no_gravity> Is there a way to debug this?
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4021[10:08:02] <Haohmaru> o_O
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4022[10:09:17] <srged> My debia keeps freezing. can anyone have a look at my dmesg log ?
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4024[10:11:14] <srged> My debian10 keeps freezing. can anyone have a look at my dmesg log ?
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4027[10:13:15] <diogenes_> srged, inxi -F would be handy.
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4031[10:13:58] <srged> diogenes_:
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4032[10:14:00] <srged> user@x:~$ sudo inxi -F
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4033[10:14:00] <srged> sudo: inxi: command not found
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4038[10:14:28] <ZaZaGX> su -
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4039[10:14:35] <ZaZaGX> than password
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4040[10:14:41] <diogenes_> srged, did i say anything about sudo?
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4041[10:14:54] <diogenes_> first you need to install it: sudo apt install inxi
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4042[10:14:58] <diogenes_> then run: inxi -F
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4043[10:15:05] <diogenes_> then pastebin the output.
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4051[10:17:47] <srged> diogenes_: replaced-url
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4054[10:17:55] <inter-link> If anyone would like a free shell to test/play with or even a free debian dedicated server, message me or come to #inter-link
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4058[10:19:39] <Haohmaru> what happened to "there is no free lunch"
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4061[10:21:19] <diogenes_> srged, so you get freezes when exactly?
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4062[10:21:58] <srged> diogenes_: at random times. also i tend to have many browser tabs etc...
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4066[10:23:02] <diogenes_> srged, that's one of the reasons you can get lockups since modern web is bloated big time and one singe tab can reach up to 500 MB of ram.
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4068[10:23:13] <diogenes_> and you got only 4 GB ram.
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4069[10:23:39] <no_gravity> The whole OS freezes is an application requests a lot of ram?
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4070[10:23:45] <ratrace> Haohmaru: to quote general ackbar.... :)
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4071[10:23:47] <diogenes_> another reason could be the high temperature, as of right now it reports: System Temperatures: cpu: 73.0 C mobo: 73.0 C gpu: nouveau temp: 85 C
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4073[10:23:55] <diogenes_> that's pretty hight.
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4075[10:24:12] <grandfso> Let's say I want to get someone help me on my server configuration, how do you securely share access to a server with someone who you not entirely trust? Is there some SUDO with Moderation mode, so any time a user want's to launch a sudo command, it will prompt my own user to accept running of such command ?
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4076[10:24:27] <diogenes_> srged, one thing you could try is to install nvidia driver and see if it would make things better.
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4077[10:25:35] <no_gravity> grandfso: You could write a script that does something like that.
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4078[10:25:50] <Haohmaru> grandfso put one hand on the ethernet cable, the other one on the reset button
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4079[10:25:54] <grandfso> :)
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4080[10:26:05] <Haohmaru> and don't blink
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4081[10:26:24] <grandfso> no_gravity: ok, thanks. I imagined this use case is not unique, so was hoping it was solved already :)
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4084[10:27:32] <no_gravity> grandfso: Simple solution: Make the other guy join #gradfsoserver, paste all commands he writes into your terminal and paste the output back to the channel.
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4085[10:28:08] <srged> diogenes_: ok will try. thx
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4086[10:28:25] <grandfso> no_gravity: makes sense, and is probably quicker than moderating sudo commands
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4089[10:29:40] <no_gravity> grandfso: Sending back to the channel could be automated via a little script on the server "executeAndSendOutputToIRC.sh"
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4090[10:30:19] <no_gravity> grandfso: So if he writes "ls /var/log" you type "executeAndSendOutputToIrc.sh ls /var/log"
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4091[10:30:36] <no_gravity> And it executes the command and sends the output to the channel.
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4092[10:30:56] <no_gravity> Next step, make it read from IRC and just prompt you "Do it?".
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4094[10:31:08] <no_gravity> Done. All you have to do is keep typing "y" and "n" :)
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4095[10:31:58] <Haohmaru> sending tons of messages over IRC is illegal and u'll be jailed
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4096[10:32:10] <Haohmaru> read the MOTD of the server
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4098[10:32:49] <no_gravity> Haohmaru: Thats like saying "sending tons of messages over <anyprotocol> is illegal".
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4100[10:33:32] <grandfso> no_gravity: this seems like a dope solution :)
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4101[10:33:33] <Haohmaru> well, try it then, you'll get automatically disconnected by the server for "excess flood" or similar
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4102[10:33:41] <no_gravity> There ain't now irc laws and no http laws and no ssh laws.
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4103[10:33:55] <Haohmaru> sure there are, irc network laws
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4105[10:34:25] <no_gravity> grandfso: Next step: call it ircssh, post it to HN, Reddit etc. Enjoy a day of internet fame.
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4108[10:34:32] <cef> It's not illegal as such. It's just impolite and people get kicked for being impolite.
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4111[10:35:04] <no_gravity> cef, Haohmaru: You confuse IRC the protocol with certain server providers like freenode.
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4114[10:35:18] <grandfso> no_gravity: don't forget asking for donations, and consider a freemium model as well :)
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4116[10:35:49] <no_gravity> grandfso: Well, it would just be a shell script. So making it a freemium model is probably not very doable.
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4118[10:36:10] <cef> no_gravity: that's why I said it's NOT illegal. :P
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4119[10:36:18] <Haohmaru> no, i don't
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4120[10:37:43] <Haohmaru> most servers will have a limit per user for how much data you can send, in case you've forgotten the good old days with message flood bots and dial up modems
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4121[10:37:59] <alkisg> grandfso, you can give him *read only* access to your screen (vnc/socat/whatever), and he can send you the commands over IRC. View only access is faster than pasting the command output all the time.
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4122[10:38:05] <cef> Re: script that does this.. you could run it in a query window direct with the user. All the flood ban limits are usually for channels.
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4123[10:38:12] <no_gravity> Haohmaru: That's like saying using a nickname is against HTTP law because Facebook does not allow it.
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4126[10:39:03] <Haohmaru> i'm done with you
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4127[10:39:20] <no_gravity> Haohmaru is done with me.
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4128[10:39:31] * jelly points over to #debian-offtopic
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4130[10:39:54] <Haohmaru> what alkisg suggested is a better idea, grandfso
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4133[10:41:07] <jelly> "ok now run wget replaced-url
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4135[10:41:40] <Haohmaru> yeah, assuming you understand the risks with the commands he instructs you to run
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4137[10:43:05] <cef> ok, real question time: I run "echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/input10\:\:scrolllock/brightness" in rc.local to turn on my keyboard backlight. Hitting capslock though turns the backlight off (never used to do this in Stretch, even with a backport kernel, only in Buster). How do I stop Capslock doing this, without disabling Capslock?
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4138[10:43:07] <alkisg> grandfso: replaced-url
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4140[10:44:13] <Haohmaru> hm, this echo stuff smells hacky, isn't there another way to do it maybe?
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4141[10:44:14] <Haohmaru> i'
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4144[10:44:41] <Haohmaru> i've only done custom settings to the mouse, via xorg.conf.d iirc
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4147[10:45:36] <Haohmaru> why do you need backlight on a keyboard x_x
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4148[10:45:38] <cef> Haohmaru: no other way it seems. I'm tempted to just open up the keyboard and hardwire the backlight leds to stay on. ;)
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4149[10:45:54] <cef> Haohmaru: cos otherwise the letters are black on black.
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4150[10:46:00] <Haohmaru> yeah, bonus points if you run it thru a smol on/off switch
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4156[10:46:57] <Haohmaru> but some people put interior lighting in their computer case, with full blown RGB
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4157[10:47:06] <Haohmaru> so what do i know about fashion
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4159[10:47:59] <cef> Haohmaru: indeed. I'm not one of those. This is just a gamer keyboard I ended up with that otherwise works perfectly. had it for almost 3 yrs now.. throwing it away just cos of this seems silly and wasteful.
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4161[10:49:03] <Haohmaru> oh, i think i use "xkb" or some such to "turn on the Numlock" on startup
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4162[10:49:16] <cef> What gets me is that something obviously changed between stretch and buster that causes this behaviour.
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4164[10:49:28] <Haohmaru> lots of things change
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4165[10:49:40] <cef> xkb is nice and all, but it requires X is running, which well.. wayland.
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4166[10:49:50] <Haohmaru> ah
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4167[10:49:55] <Haohmaru> *shrug* then
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4169[10:50:34] <cef> tho I was running wayland no issue in stretch too, which is why this is bugging me.
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4171[10:50:47] <cef> at the moment I just avoid capslock
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4173[10:51:32] <Haohmaru> who uses capslock
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4174[10:51:38] <Haohmaru> i do, like once a year
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4175[10:53:12] <cef> yeah. main issue is when I accidentally tap it and then.. no backlight. can't see what I'm typing (I can't properly touchtype, I look down occasionally and it throws me off.
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4176[10:53:29] <Haohmaru> aww
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4177[10:53:48] <cef> ok so.. disabling capslock?
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4178[10:53:53] <Haohmaru> i don't look at the keyboard.. funny thing is, i don't know where the keys should be
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4184[10:56:46] <at0m> cef: maybe xmodmap to remap capslock to shift, for example. and see if the issue persists (ie. is it software or hardware?)
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4185[10:56:57] <alkisg> Would xmodmap work in wayland?
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4187[10:57:11] <at0m> one way to find out
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4195[11:04:40] <Haohmaru> famous last words
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4203[11:08:17] <flurp> debian is the best OS in the world after openbsd
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4204[11:08:19] <flurp> :)
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4205[11:08:33] <kirk781> Psst, Solaris is the best OS
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4206[11:08:57] <kirk781> Some guy is still writing Ethernet drivers for it for the two dozen users left in the world
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4208[11:09:20] <Haohmaru> a true hero
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4209[11:09:56] <Haohmaru> can't he.. like.. steal the drivers from other linuxes?
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4211[11:10:24] <kirk781> Considering that Solaris is out of support, no guarantee that it'll work
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4220[11:14:29] <thow> unattended-upgrades upgraded libssl, and it forces some services (postfix, postgres) to restart automatically though those servers weren't upgraded. is there any way to disable automatic restart of services?
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4232[11:20:53] <ratrace> thow: they were restarted because a link dependency, libssl, was upgraded. you shouldn't prevent those
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4234[11:21:32] <ratrace> basically code that postfix and postgres are using and executed was changed, you really DO want to restart those services
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4251[11:34:52] <thow> ratrace: it's a production server. packages that can be upgraded without restarting anything should be upgraded. but i don't want ANYTHING to be automatically restarted due to lateral dependencies. if it's not possible to disable automatic restart of services, then unattended-upgrades is not suitable for production environments.
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4252[11:35:28] <thow> there should be an option to configure if you want services to be restarted automatically or not.
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4253[11:36:28] <humpled> "unattended-upgrades is not suitable for production environments"
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4259[11:38:28] <thow> how about this? replaced-url
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4260[11:38:39] <thow> is there any change to re-launch that dialog
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4261[11:38:40] <thow> ?
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4263[11:42:12] <ratrace> thow: i think you're missing the point. an upgrade to a dll is just the same as if the program that links ot it has changed. code changed and you'd normally want the service to restart and relink to new code.
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4264[11:42:48] <ratrace> thow: meanwhile.... funny that you don't want this happening and yet you use unattended upgrades on a production server. personally i'd never allow anything upgrade or change without me auditing and testing it first.
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4265[11:43:03] <ratrace> kinda conflicting requirements you have there.
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4275[11:52:40] <irrep> I've upgraded Debian 9 to 10 on workstations with network shared users via NIS and NFS. Now sound and USB drive mounting for users does not work any more, I realized that the user session does not show up with `loginctl`.
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4276[11:52:57] <irrep> It seems as if lightdm would not properly set something, or something fishy is going on.
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4286[11:58:41] <thow> ratrace: "you're missing the point" "you use unattended upgrades on a production server", "you have kinda conflicting requirements"... stop blaming me and assuming things you don't know, and try to consider what i'm asking.
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4289[11:59:59] <thow> "is there any way to prevent unattended/automatic upgrades on packages that require restarting services?"
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4293[12:00:50] <ayekat> while I'm not a fan of debian restarting services behind my back either, I do see some conflict of interest of not wanting things to happen automatically, yet enabling unattended-upgrades
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4295[12:01:04] <ratrace> thow: there is no. you can stop maintainer scripts but then you have side effects.
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4296[12:01:09] <thow> why?
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4297[12:01:55] <ratrace> because you wan't something to install and restart stuff with you not bothering to oversee, and in the same sentence you don't want stuff to be changed and restarted.
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4298[12:02:00] <thow> i mean, i want non-critical packages to be automatically upgraded, while manually upgrading packages that require restarting other services. why do you see conflict of interest?
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4301[12:02:19] <thow> no, i don't want anything to be restarted at all.
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4302[12:02:30] <ratrace> then what's the point of upgrade if you don't restart upgraded code?
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4303[12:02:54] <alkisg> Back with sysinit, this was possible using policy-rc.d, for example replaced-url
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4304[12:02:54] <alkisg> I don't know if this is still possible with systemd
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4305[12:03:01] <thow> i think you don't understand what i'm trying to say.
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4306[12:03:13] <thow> i'm talking about services. not all packages are connected to services.
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4307[12:03:34] <ratrace> but only those that are, are triggering service restart
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4308[12:03:34] <alkisg> I don't think packages have enough information for apt to know if they'll restart a service on postinst or not
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4309[12:03:35] <ayekat> services may periodically invoke external utilities (that may themselves be upgraded)
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4310[12:03:37] <thow> an upgrade of 'vim' package can be automatically performed at any time.
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4312[12:03:54] <thow> but i don't want an upgrade of 'nginx' package if it implies restarting nginx service.
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4313[12:03:55] <ratrace> thow: in this case you had libss upgraded. restarting services that use it is important and SHOULD happen.
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4314[12:04:07] <thow> then, i'll manually upgrade libssl.
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4316[12:04:11] <thow> that's all i'm saying.
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4317[12:04:16] <ratrace> thow: okay, so no, you cannot limit unattended upgrades to upgrade only stuff that wouldn't result with a service restart
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4318[12:04:30] <ratrace> artificaially blocking maintainer scripts to prevent service restart is a very bad idea.
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4319[12:04:35] <ratrace> *artificially
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4321[12:05:11] <ayekat> alkisg: well, given that this "automatically restart services on package upgrade/install" is something debian-specific, I'd argue that some component in apt/dpkg has some information about what will trigger a service restart
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4322[12:05:22] <ratrace> so to achieve what you want is: don't use unattended upgrades, and then manually (or using automation) upgrade only code that wouldn't affect running services.
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4323[12:05:38] <thow> ayekat: yeah, debconf/selections knows if a package implies restarting a service.
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4324[12:06:00] <alkisg> ayekat: that was a debconf/whiptail question of a specific package that is well written; not all of them are. Some just restart services on postinst.
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4325[12:06:08] <thow> so technically, unattended-upgrades can know if upgrading a package will restart a service or not.
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4326[12:06:27] <ratrace> in theory it'd be possible, but it doesn't do that
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4327[12:06:32] <thow> i see
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4328[12:06:38] <thow> thanks
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4329[12:06:54] <thow> i can't use unattended-upgrades on production
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4330[12:07:19] <thow> is there any way to do that manually?
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4331[12:07:20] <ratrace> which is what i originally stated, you had conflicting requirements.
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4332[12:07:55] <thow> here it comes again...
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4333[12:07:56] <thow> why?
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4334[12:08:10] <ratrace> thow: the only way is knowing exactly which packages would affect which services. so you can run a test in a VM, see what happens, and then limit upgrades for production.
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4335[12:08:10] <thow> what's so wrong about wanting to run some kind of apt-get upgrade --except-packages-that-require-restarting-services?
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4336[12:08:27] <ratrace> thow: uhh nothing wrong with that. i was referring to the tools you used -- conflicting.
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4338[12:08:45] <ratrace> unattended upgrades are well.... unattended, so meant to be run.... unattended.
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4339[12:08:47] <thow> really?
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4342[12:09:26] <thow> unattended-upgrades can be configured to prevent rebooting a system. i just assumed it might be possible to configure it to prevent restarting a service.
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4343[12:09:35] <ratrace> so ideally you run an upgrade in a VM or something, see what happens, then limit what will be upgraded in production
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4344[12:10:06] <ayekat> I'd say that either you want things to happen automagically behind your back, or you don't
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4345[12:10:15] <ratrace> thow: "prevent restarting a service" would mean not ugrading the involved packages at all
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4346[12:10:16] <thow> ?
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4347[12:10:24] <thow> i strongly disagree
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4348[12:10:33] <thow> not all packages affect services
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4349[12:10:42] <ayekat> not *directly*
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4350[12:10:49] <thow> not at all.
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4351[12:10:54] <ratrace> to use the example you initially posted, if you have libssl upgrade (code changed), you DO want services that use it restarted, even though there are programs that don't run as services and are linked to it.
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4352[12:10:56] <ayekat> a service may periodically invoke another tool
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4353[12:11:04] <ayekat> that has been upgraded
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4354[12:11:09] <ratrace> and those won't affect service restart
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4355[12:11:27] <ratrace> nginx can fastcgi requests to php. upgrading php won't restart nginx.
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4357[12:11:45] <ratrace> upgrading a package that installs a file nginx dynamically links to, SHOULD restart nginx.
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4358[12:11:52] <thow> great. so don't upgrade libssl, don't upgrade php, don't upgrade nginx... that's exactly what i want. i want to manually upgrade those packages.
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4361[12:12:18] <ayekat> weell... a program can keep running even if a library has been upgraded/removed, though
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4362[12:12:33] <ratrace> thow: sounds like you want containers, each with its own version of any dll involved, so you can only upgrade some, but not all
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4363[12:12:39] <thow> why do you assume all programs are running?
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4364[12:13:22] <ratrace> ayekat: yes but should it? dpkg can't decide "oh this is a secvuln upgrade, I _will_ restart" or "meh this is a minor bug, no point in restarting"
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4366[12:13:52] <thow> dpkg knows if upgrading 'bc' or 'vim' will require restarting a service or not. obviously.
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4367[12:13:52] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, thow
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4368[12:13:56] <ratrace> what i do, i read changelogs and then decide whether to run an upgrade or not (going through a test VM first)
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4369[12:14:08] <ayekat> ratrace: I'd say it's probably wiser to have it restarted - but I think there should at least be the option to allow the sysadmin to decide instead
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4372[12:14:40] <thow> that decision should be left to the user.
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4373[12:14:47] <ratrace> ayekat: well yeah, i'm not a fan of automatically (re)starting them either, but that can't really be changed without sideffects so i prefer to adapt to it instead
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4375[12:14:53] <ayekat> IMHO restarts are less of an issue, but fresh installations where I haven't done the setup yet...?
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4376[12:15:07] <thow> i guess it depends on the package.
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4377[12:15:20] <ratrace> ayekat: packages come with some sane basic default, and those that can't wont autostart
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4378[12:15:44] <ayekat> ratrace: I guess it's a matter of taste
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4379[12:16:16] <ayekat> I prefer the simplicity of knowing that nothing will be auto-(re)started, no matter what - but others may prefer some partial automation
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4381[12:17:13] <alkisg> The best services are those that can automatically restart while saving their state, so that clients don't even know they restarted :)
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4383[12:18:07] <humpled> :\/
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4384[12:18:09] <ratrace> true that. nginx can upgrade itself gracefully
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4385[12:18:10] <thow> a graceful reload should be the way to go :)
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4387[12:18:54] <ratrace> my biggest gripe with this is postgres... an upgrade restarts postgres and then you have a cascade of failures with apps that don't recover when their db connection is gone
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4388[12:19:21] <ratrace> therefore.... test all the upgrades and never trust automagic of unattended upgrades
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4390[12:19:26] <thow> yeah, that's what killed my service two nights ago and last night.
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4391[12:20:13] <ratrace> then again... postgres will be restarted sooner or later, so the proper fix is to have those apps recover gracefully
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4392[12:20:41] <ratrace> (ie. preventing autorestart is really just prolonging the inevitable and not really an issue)
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4393[12:21:06] <ratrace> %s/prolonging/delaying/
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4395[12:21:11] <thow> if it has to be restarted, i want to be connected checking the process, logs, etc. i don't want it to happen while i'm sleeping.
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4396[12:21:14] <thow> at least.
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4397[12:21:20] <Jmabsd> Which is the very most open source oriented Linux, Debian? Arch Linux? etc. (open q)
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4398[12:21:44] <thow> you're in #debian. what do you expect us to reply? slackware?
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4400[12:22:18] <Jmabsd> thow: not sure lol.
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4403[12:24:00] <B|ack0p> hi.
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4404[12:24:09] <B|ack0p> is the grub same for all linux distros?
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4405[12:24:17] <B|ack0p> grub menu i mean
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4406[12:24:52] <VadPerevad> Jmabsd, you should see gnu.org - it is a temple of freedom and open source :)
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4407[12:24:56] <ayekat> B|ack0p: more or less - distributions may package it differently, leading to differences (as for all software)
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4411[12:25:59] <ayekat> Jmabsd: "open source oriented" doesn't mean much (as you have been told also on other channels where you have chosen to /amsg your question)
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4413[12:26:29] <B|ack0p> is grub look like plain like this without any distro style? replaced-url
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4414[12:26:31] <Jmabsd> what do you think is the most security and robustness oriented Linux distribution? (sleep well at night factor)
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4416[12:27:12] <thow> what's the next question? what's the linux distribution more independent? the one with more packages?
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4419[12:29:15] <VadPerevad> Jmabsd, did you clicked gnu.org? Security, open source -- all there.
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4422[12:30:44] <inter-link> Have a few dedicated servers being set up.. Have 2-3 dedicated servers available for free or just normal shell accounts. PM or come to #inter-link if you want one
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4437[12:40:42] <Jmabsd> In which Debian system configuration file do I put the "options vfio-pci ...." line?
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4439[12:42:29] <Jmabsd> hm /etc/modules
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4447[12:45:16] <petan> hi guys I have a really weird issues with NFS server which seems to randomly end up in weird states, it used to run OOM but that was probably due to some rsync script. Now the problem I am facing is that the mount point which is exported (/backups) is getting 100% full while being almost empty. I was looking for FD's pointing to deleted files, but there are none, it's probably NFS kernel driver holding up that space?
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4449[12:46:01] <petan> mount point has 200GB, ext4 FS and du -ksh show 15GB used. df reports 100% used and 0 bytes free
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4450[12:46:14] <petan> lsof report no FD's pointing to deleted files
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4451[12:46:45] <petan> kernel version (uname) -> Linux backups2 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u3 (2019-06-16) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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4455[12:48:11] <petan> reboot would fix it but I would prefer better solution than reboot every week :)
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4456[12:49:05] <Bliepo> What is the output of mount?
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4457[12:49:33] <petan> /dev/xvdb on /backups type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
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4459[12:50:11] <Bliepo> And if you stop the nfs service what happens?
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4461[12:51:32] <petan> I can try to "stop" it but it's a kernel-nfs so in fact there is no dedicated process for it (Active: active (exited) since Wed 2019-07-17 15:23:04 CEST; 1 months 5 days ago)
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4462[12:51:48] <Bliepo> kernel-nfs?
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4463[12:51:57] <petan> nfs is a kernel module
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4464[12:51:59] <petan> anyway
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4465[12:52:06] <petan> I stopped it and space started getting freed up
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4466[12:52:12] <petan> so it's clearly some "kernel bug"?
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4467[12:52:15] <petan> I guess
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4468[12:52:35] <Bliepo> Is it showing disk activity now?
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4469[12:52:40] <petan> since service is down space is getting reclaimed, yes
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4471[12:52:49] <petan> now almost whole /backups is free
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4472[12:53:14] <Bliepo> I meant more like: is it actually deleting stuff, or is it just changing the reports?
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4473[12:53:29] <petan> it's just changing reports, almost no disk activity
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4475[12:54:10] <Bliepo> Anything to be found in dmesg?
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4476[12:54:43] <petan> from today only this: [Thu Aug 22 12:51:35 2019] nfsd: last server has exited, flushing export cache
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4478[12:55:18] <petan> but there is something weird there: replaced-url
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4479[12:55:47] <Bliepo> The export cache one, is it one of the most recent entries?
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4480[12:55:52] <petan> yes
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4481[12:55:54] <petan> that's last line now
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4483[12:56:13] <Bliepo> Then I think that export cache is likely to have something to do with it
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4485[12:56:46] <petan> hmm I will try to google something about "export cache" but from the name of it I would guess it's something related to RAM rather than actual storage
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4486[12:57:06] <Bliepo> I´m no expert on NFS, just doing some suggestions
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4488[12:57:39] <Bliepo> Not sure about the paste, it does seem there is something crashing there
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4489[12:57:50] <Bliepo> May want to try a more recent kernel for testing
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4490[12:58:08] <Bliepo> Other than that I´m all out of ideas
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4493[12:58:46] <petan> hmm I think I patched this server recently, probably few weeks ago, but I will try
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4494[12:59:41] <Bliepo> If you patched it, you may also want to try the unpatched version
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4496[13:00:06] <petan> it was doing this for some time, that's why I patched it few weeks ago, but problem seems to be not fixed by that
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4497[13:00:17] <petan> I always just rebooted it, but it's getting a bit annoying
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4498[13:00:33] <Bliepo> Well, at least you can now reboot the service instead
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4500[13:00:53] <petan> in past /backups was btrfs so I was thinking it's a bug in btrfs and reformatted to more stable ext4, but now it seems the problem is in actual NFS server driver
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4501[13:01:15] <petan> well I could probably add nfs-server restart to crontab lol
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4503[13:01:42] <Bliepo> Not what I´d suggest as a permanent solution, but as a work-around... I´ve seen worse
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4505[13:02:58] <Jmabsd> My /etc/modules seems to not load on boot?? Should it?
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4513[13:06:19] <Jmabsd> Must I run "update-initramfs" after changing /etc/modules??
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4515[13:07:46] <petan> Jmabsd: no, that file is read by systemd-modules-load.service on boot, long after init script from initramfs is finished
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4516[13:08:16] <Jmabsd> petan: aha. hmm. i like my vfio-pci to be run really early during the OS startup,
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4517[13:08:29] <Jmabsd> so that the vfio-pci-"taken" devices will absolutely not be touched by any other Linux driver.
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4518[13:08:41] <Jmabsd> how do I make vfio-pci with my "ids" argument load really really early?
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4522[13:09:51] <Jmabsd> petan: so i should add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules instead?
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4527[13:11:48] <petan> you can compile that as bulit-in module, that would definitely load it early, or yes, to initramfs
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4532[13:15:22] <b|ack0p> can i implement default debian grub menu to ubuntu?
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4533[13:15:34] <b|ack0p> classic look without any style or background i mean
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4534[13:15:48] <b|ack0p> blue background
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4538[13:16:52] <Jmabsd> petan: wait what's the instructions for doing so, first echo "vfio-pci ids=IDSHERE" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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4539[13:17:04] <Jmabsd> then update-initramfs -u && update-grub && reboot ?
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4543[13:18:13] <petan> yes that should do it
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4545[13:19:36] <Jmabsd> petan: dammit didn't work on 4 tries =(
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4546[13:19:40] <Jmabsd> petan: what did I miss =((
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4547[13:19:43] <Jmabsd> the above did not work
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4548[13:20:10] <Jmabsd> weird, "lsmod | grep vfio
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4549[13:20:10] <Jmabsd> " does show some stuff
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4550[13:20:21] <Jmabsd> it did not when i had it in /etc/modules and rebooted, but now it does
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4551[13:20:38] <Jmabsd> wait, the first line is "vfio_pci 45056 0"
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4552[13:20:42] <Jmabsd> does 0 mean it's not loaded? :o
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4553[13:21:16] <b|ack0p> what is the default.grub for debian? ubuntu shows this: if background_color 44,0,30,0; then
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4554[13:21:19] <b|ack0p> clear
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4555[13:21:28] <Jmabsd> oh! i see now
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4556[13:21:38] <Jmabsd> petan: so the vfio-pci kicks in at 10 seconds offset,
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4557[13:21:46] <Jmabsd> while the Ethernet driver kicks in at 6 seconds offset =(
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4558[13:21:50] <Jmabsd> so it's too late =(
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4559[13:22:09] <Jmabsd> can we load the vfio-pci already via kernel arguments?? that should be at 0 seconds offet he.
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4564[13:23:00] <Jmabsd> arch linux does some mkinitcpio thing apparently
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4578[13:27:20] <Jmabsd> aha this describes replaced-url
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4581[13:29:02] <humpled> hmm
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4597[13:37:35] <Jmabsd> humpled,petan: awrr!!! I even tried adding the " rd.driver.pre=vfio-pci vfio_pci.ids=..." kernel argument, still doesn't work!
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4604[13:40:53] <Jmabsd> "update-grup" implies "update-initramfs -u" right?
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4616[13:53:52] <EmleyMoor> update-what? And no, not to my knowledge
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4618[13:56:44] <jelly> Jmabsd: update-grub does not, in fact call update-initramfs, these are separate steps
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4620[13:57:57] <Jmabsd> jelly: I see. yeah i kind of realized.
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4621[13:58:09] <Jmabsd> i have not gotten the vfio-pci capture to happen yet before the ethernet driver load though
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4622[13:58:19] <Jmabsd> I try this now: echo "softdep * pre: vfio-pci" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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4629[13:59:36] <ratrace> Jmabsd: what exactly do you want to achieve?
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4630[13:59:51] <Jmabsd> ratrace: PCI passthrough to KVM for given PCIe device ID:s!
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4631[14:01:13] <Jmabsd> ratrace: my problem is that VFIO-PCI kicks in at boot+10 seconds but the PCI device driver kicks in at boot + 6 seconds ='(
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4633[14:02:03] <ratrace> Jmabsd: qemu-system-x86_64 has pci assignment directives
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4634[14:02:18] <Jmabsd> wait, is it "vfio-pci" or "vfio_pci" in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ?
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4635[14:02:45] <Jmabsd> ratrace: well you should have the kernel NOT touch a particular PCI device at boot shouldn't you
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4637[14:02:50] <Jmabsd> at least i prefer that to be the case ..
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4639[14:03:02] <Jmabsd> ratrace: so what I want to achieve is totally pre-qemu
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4643[14:04:35] <ratrace> Jmabsd: i don't think that's a strict requirement, no and btw it's vfio-pci yes
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4644[14:04:44] <Jmabsd> must I also get "vfio_iommu_type1"?
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4645[14:04:53] <Jmabsd> ratrace: I like to do it still
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4646[14:05:13] <ratrace> seen this? replaced-url
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4650[14:07:21] <Jmabsd> ratrace: oh interesting.. how do mkinitcpio in debian?
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4654[14:07:41] <ratrace> Jmabsd: there's initramfs-tools in debian, has a manpage
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4655[14:08:22] <ratrace> Jmabsd: worst case, you'd need to write a custom "init-top" script (see "Subdirectories" entry in teh manpage) that forces module loading before anything else
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4657[14:08:40] <Jmabsd> so on Debian I must add those modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf somehow
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4659[14:08:51] <ratrace> though i'm not sure to what effect, since udev prepopulating /dev already assumes the kernel touched drivers
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4661[14:09:14] <ratrace> Jmabsd: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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4663[14:09:37] <ratrace> but that's just a list of modules to load up early :: i'm not 100% sure what you're trying to achieve there?
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4664[14:10:19] <ratrace> Jmabsd: though that modules file actually allows for module options too
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4666[14:10:32] <Jmabsd> ratrace: wait.. i don't follow, what add
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4667[14:10:33] <Jmabsd> right
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4668[14:10:53] <Jmabsd> ratrace: replaced-url
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4673[14:12:14] <Jmabsd> ratrace: i'll try this: echo "softdep * pre: vfio_pci" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules; echo "vfio_pci" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules; echo "vfio" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules; echo "vfio_iommu_type1" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules; echo "vfio_virqfd" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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4674[14:12:25] <ratrace> Jmabsd: right so add each on its own line into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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4675[14:12:44] <Jmabsd> yes, exactly as i quoted you now. let's see if it works
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4676[14:12:56] <Jmabsd> followed by update-initramfs -u && update-grub && reboot.
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4677[14:12:59] <ratrace> Jmabsd: i'm not sure about that softdep thing .. sounds like mkinitcpio specific
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4678[14:13:07] <Jmabsd> oh aha!
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4679[14:13:38] <ratrace> Jmabsd: no wait I'm wrong: replaced-url
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4682[14:14:19] <Jmabsd> ratrace: NOPE
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4684[14:14:26] <Jmabsd> it still loads last
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4685[14:14:50] <ratrace> Jmabsd: of course you ran update-initramfs -u after changing that file?
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4686[14:14:54] <zaherdirkey> hi, i want to add to grub new boot to console instead of gui, i mean 2 boot , one with gui desktop, and with only console, i will choose console as default with timeout
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4687[14:15:01] <Jmabsd> do I need the /etc/modprobe.d/ stuff?
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4688[14:15:11] <zaherdirkey> is that possible, and how?
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4690[14:16:29] <ratrace> zaherdirkey: via /etc/grub/40_custom i think
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4692[14:16:49] <Jmabsd> "cp /etc/initramfs-tools/modules /etc/modprobe.d/vfio" ?
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4693[14:16:55] <Jmabsd> RATRACE: YES
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4695[14:17:29] <ratrace> zaherdirkey: you need a custom entry, but to actually boot into console mode, you need to force systemd target with this kernel command line: systemd.unit=multi-user.target
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4696[14:17:50] <ratrace> Jmabsd: sorry bud, no more ideas then
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4699[14:18:31] <zaherdirkey> in command line of grub?
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4701[14:19:04] <ratrace> zaherdirkey: yes, but if you want a custom grub entry, then in that entry only
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4702[14:19:23] <zaherdirkey> i will try
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4712[14:27:39] <zaherdirkey> ratrace that works fine, ty
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4713[14:27:59] <Jmabsd> ratrace: "update-initramfs -uv" shows me vfio and vfio-pci befor eanytihng else
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4717[14:30:42] <Jmabsd> ratrace,*: I can try with blacklisting the PCI driver that does take precedence..
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4730[14:44:35] <Jmabsd> ratrace: okay it worked finally by blacklisting the PCI driver from the grub kernel arguments
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4746[14:50:38] <Jmabsd> ratrace: worked! :D
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4755[14:57:25] <Jmabsd> how do you "live" without editing files, tell libvirt to temporarily connect an installer EFI image to use as boot medium?
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4756[14:57:26] <ratrace> Jmabsd: awesome!
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4759[14:59:48] <Jmabsd> ratrace: it needed a combination of kernel arguments and the line "vfio_pci" in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules , that was all.
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4760[14:59:59] <Jmabsd> kernel arguments are "rd.driver.pre=vfio-pci vfio_pci.ids=IDSHERE modprobe.blacklist=DRIVERNAMEHERE" .
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4761[15:00:26] <ratrace> put it in a blog for future generations :)
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4772[15:04:26] <andre144k> hi all, anyone knows how to find ppd-file which cups is using for my printer?
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4773[15:04:50] <andre144k> someone other installed this printer, and i want install a new printer whith same ppd-file
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4804[15:26:23] <Bushmills> andre144k: install foomatic-db-compressed-ppds and openprinting-ppds, maybe hp-ppd, then hope that they have a ppd for your undisclosed printer model.
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4811[15:28:27] <Jmabsd> libvirtd startup failure: ": failed to communicate with bridge helper: Transport endpoint is not connected
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4812[15:28:27] <Jmabsd> stderr=failed to create tun device: Operation not permitted
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4813[15:28:27] <Jmabsd> " hmmm.
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4820[15:32:56] <Bushmills> and there's replaced-url
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4826[15:37:14] <SanchoPensa> hey guys! I would politely like to ask your assistance with the followong issue: my laptop's CDROM does play discs, but with one specific one, I get vey pesky errors: " Message recipient disconnected drom message bus without replying", and syslog says: "segfault at 7fd56600f612 ip 00007fd56508d397 sp 00007fd561b206f8 error 4 in libc-2.24.so[7fd564ff9000+195000]" It is a self burned CD with singing excercises on it. why am I getting this?
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4827[15:37:52] <SanchoPensa> or more important, how do I fix it?
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4828[15:38:03] <bolt> How is rebooting a laptop still an issue for Linux in 2019? :(
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4830[15:38:29] <SanchoPensa> bolt: it isn't?
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4831[15:38:44] <Bushmills> SanchoPensa: recorded as audio cd?
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4832[15:39:03] <SanchoPensa> Bushmills: i suppose so, but cannot tell, since it would not mount...
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4833[15:39:32] <Bushmills> audio cd's won't mount. some file managers simulate mounting, but it's not really mounted then
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4835[15:39:50] <bolt> SanchoPensa: sure is. I thought the acpi=force days were over, but I've got an Asus N552VX here, and it hangs on "reboot: machine restart". If I add "force", it shuts down, then blinks the keyboard and hangs. Worked fine on Windows. It's certainly still an issue.
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4836[15:40:06] <Bushmills> in case of audio cd an defects on