• 0[00:00:03] <Bitx> just what you need
• 1[00:01:03] <Bitx> and being a chinese owned company you dont get nsa spying
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• 5[00:03:27] <humpled> so firefox is being asked to cache a lot of data
• 6[00:04:18] <Bitx> falcon is a great FF replacement
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• 11[00:05:21] <Eduard_Munteanu> I might give in and switch to Chrome, though.
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• 14[00:05:39] <Bitx> after google rease of chrome FF is a dead horse
• 15[00:05:47] <Bitx> face it
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• 19[00:08:47] <_Cute_Kitty_> why does my bluetooth audio sound like crap? blueman
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• 21[00:09:08] <_Cute_Kitty_> it's all like distorted, fuzzy, and squeaky
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• 23[00:09:52] <Bitx> bluetooth should die
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• 28[00:11:03] <Bitx> its amazing why they keep pushing it
• 29[00:11:40] <roflbot> agree
• 30[00:11:45] <Bitx> must be a spyware option...
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• 33[00:12:23] <_Cute_Kitty_> what
• 34[00:12:28] <_Cute_Kitty_> is this the tinfoil hat society or what
• 35[00:12:38] <_Cute_Kitty_> why y'all hatin on bluetooth, it's the future
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• 37[00:12:53] <Bitx> its no reallity tv
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• 40[00:14:18] <_Cute_Kitty_> y'all crazy
• 41[00:14:18] <crn> will debian 10 amd64 load on a 2012 intel chip HP laptop? or do i need i386?
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• 44[00:14:46] <humpled> :v
• 45[00:14:52] <Bitx> you got that right
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• 47[00:15:15] <Bitx> sometimes seems like im the only sane person in the world
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• 50[00:16:52] <humpled> :n
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• 52[00:17:24] <ZaZaGX> ;u
• 53[00:17:40] <Bitx> can someone ban ZaZaGX
• 54[00:18:14] <ZaZaGX> what? why?
• 55[00:18:17] <Bitx> or is it part of the entrapment team?
• 56[00:18:43] <Bitx> who?
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• 62[00:20:20] <Bitx> nothing to see here move along
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• 64[00:21:23] <_Cute_Kitty_> what y'all doing right now
• 65[00:21:39] <Bitx> scratching my itch
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• 67[00:21:56] <mallxs> trying to get barrier to run in the gdm3 geeter, any hints ?
• 68[00:21:56] <Dinda_> trying to get barrier to run in the gdm3 geeter, any hints ?
• 69[00:21:57] <Bitx> you?
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• 71[00:22:49] <_Cute_Kitty_> just messing around with my debian install
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• 75[00:23:10] <Bitx> send in the drones
• 76[00:23:17] <_Cute_Kitty_> trying to banish this nasty cold i have, but there doesn't seem to be a command for that :(
• 77[00:23:25] <mallxs> Hmm strange i see my line echoed
• 78[00:24:29] <Bitx> too much socializing?
• 79[00:25:06] <Bitx> better start vaping
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• 87[00:29:59] <Bitx> with 1502 users in here you wouldnt expect this channel to nearlly dead
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• 90[00:31:51] <Unit193> Bitx: It's a support channel, if people don't have support needs and aren't assisting people, they don't tend to talk.
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• 92[00:32:31] <Bitx> if people don't have support needs what are they doing here?
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• 94[00:33:40] <Habbie> Bitx, hanging around until they have a question, or until a question appears that they can help with
• 95[00:34:14] <Bitx> all 1501 of them?
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• 97[00:34:44] <Habbie> i cannot speak for all 1501 of them; and i doubt they feel like responding to this question
• 98[00:35:21] <LtL> Bitx: it's the weekend, it's usually quiet.
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• 100[00:35:59] <Bitx> i guess that what HTPC are for
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• 102[00:36:38] <LtL> Bitx: many people here are here to learn english, and they lurk and learn. no harm no foul.
• 103[00:36:57] <Bitx> learn english?
• 104[00:37:30] <LtL> Bitx: yes, many are not first language english speakers.
• 105[00:37:47] <Bitx> you mean typists
• 106[00:38:10] <Unit193> mallxs: Perhaps take a look at replaced-url
• 107[00:38:46] <LtL> Bitx: no i don't. if they were learning typing, they would be typing
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• 109[00:39:01] <Bitx> LtLare you using voice assisting software?
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• 111[00:39:29] <LtL> Bitx: uh, no.. why?
• 112[00:39:31] <Bitx> i didnt knew there was such thing on linux
• 113[00:39:48] <Bitx> because you mentioned speakers
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• 115[00:40:44] <Bitx> since IRC use text
• 116[00:40:52] <Bitx> you got me confused
• 117[00:41:04] <LtL> Bitx: speakers as in communication not devices.
• 118[00:41:20] <Bitx> speakers as in voice
• 119[00:41:32] <bindi> lol
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• 121[00:41:44] <LtL> i 'speak' english albeit typing it.
• 122[00:41:50] <bindi> nobody says "They don't type English as their first language"
• 123[00:42:03] <Bitx> maybe they should
• 124[00:42:10] <bindi> no, they really shouldn't. seek help
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• 126[00:42:37] <Bitx> see what i mean sometimes it feels like im the only sane person in the world
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• 128[00:42:42] <Unit193> This is all straying a little bit from Debian support, perhaps #debian-offtopic could help.
• 129[00:43:27] <mallxs> Unit193: thanks for sharing, that worked on jessie, but from stretch on it doesn't work
• 130[00:43:41] <Bitx> i can only imagine what kind of conversation people are having over there
• 131[00:43:50] <Unit193> mallxs: GDM3 might have changed things, then.
• 132[00:44:11] <Bitx> GDM is taking over your linuxs
• 133[00:45:10] <mallxs> Unit193: yep trying to find it has to do with systemd or some security blocking added some where
• 134[00:45:27] <Unit193> Or, wayland. :)
• 135[00:46:32] <Unit193> I can't assist you too much there, I've never used wayland and not used GDM for years.
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• 138[00:47:17] <ZaZaGX> Bitx, are you using opera the web browser?
• 139[00:47:21] <Bitx> since useres are in most cases responsible for security issues it makes snce to lock them out of the system
• 140[00:47:57] <Bitx> im using falcon
• 141[00:48:00] <Bitx> why?
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• 144[00:49:10] <ZaZaGX> i thought you were using opera web browser with the built in vpn
• 145[00:49:50] <Bitx> opera GX is only available on windows
• 146[00:50:56] <Bitx> what are you using ZaZaGX?
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• 151[00:52:25] <ZaZaGX> Firefox ESR
• 152[00:52:33] <ZaZaGX> i thought you were using this. replaced-url
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• 156[00:53:06] <ZaZaGX> sometimes i use chromium
• 157[00:53:10] <Bitx> okay
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• 159[00:54:30] <mallxs> is debian 10/ gnome still using gdm3 as greeter/login ?
• 160[00:54:59] <Bitx> what should it be using instead?
• 161[00:55:13] <kale> lightdm
• 162[00:55:22] <Bitx> why?
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• 165[00:56:31] <Habbie> mallxs, yes
• 166[00:56:36] <Bitx> isnt lightdm from enlightment
• 167[00:57:16] <Bitx> why sould someone loggin in to gnome use lightdm?
• 168[00:58:15] <mallxs> its just a question as i can't get any action from gdm3/Init trying env > /var/log/barrier.env
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• 172[01:01:36] <ZaZaGX> are you even using debian?
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• 174[01:03:52] <mallxs> yep i'm on 10.0 Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u2
• 175[01:04:02] <mallxs> buster
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• 184[01:05:04] <ZaZaGX> me too
• 185[01:05:41] <mallxs> how do i get a list of services i can call with systemctl .. i used to do ls -l /etc/init.d
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• 195[01:09:53] <hop> list-units, more or less
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• 202[01:18:12] <mallxs> ok calling it a day, had a little tia and rebooted the wrong system :-)
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• 204[01:20:30] <Unit193> So now your GDM3/Barrier issue is solved?
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• 206[01:21:18] <rocketmagnet> what package do i need to install the mysql server on buster ? there is no package mysql-server ..
• 207[01:23:07] <roflbot> rocketmagnet: mariadb-server would probably do the trick
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• 210[01:27:28] <ZaZaGX> man, i'm saving my money for a debian t-shirt
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• 212[01:28:52] <Bitx> you can make your own
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• 216[01:29:47] <ZaZaGX> i could but i don't have an iron press for a shirt
• 217[01:31:38] <Bitx> all you need is a can of paint and a cradboard
• 218[01:31:53] <Bitx> and maybe scisors
• 219[01:32:53] <ZaZaGX> thats ghetto. i want a professional t-shirt
• 220[01:33:22] <Bitx> lol thats how pros do it
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• 222[01:33:41] <ZaZaGX> i believe they have laser cutters
• 223[01:34:09] <Bitx> you are delusional
• 224[01:34:24] <rocketmagnet> roflbot: what's with phpmyadmin ?
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• 226[01:34:37] <ZaZaGX> and they use open source software to make the t-shirt design
• 227[01:34:57] <Bitx> yes like pen and papaer
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• 284[02:20:18] <cockroach> hello. I'm trying to get vulkan running with my radeon card but I keep getting VK_ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED (R7 370 with amdgpu.si_support=1, using the amdgpu Xorg driver). what could be wrong there?
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• 350[03:47:28] <PhotoJim> Since upgrading to buster (in place), this computer isn't immediately assigning /dev/xxx devices to USB devices that I plug in (flash drives, optical drives, even serial stuff). Sometimes, after awhile (many minutes) the /dev/xxx entry will appear. Any ideas?
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• 360[03:55:04] <amosbird> hmm, this url doesn't work anymore?
• 361[03:55:08] <amosbird> deb-src replaced-url
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• 363[03:57:20] <tds> amosbird: wheezy is rather old at this point, you'll need to use archive.debian.org
• 364[03:57:45] <tds> also, you seriously need to upgrade your machine!
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• 366[03:58:06] <amosbird> oh
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• 369[03:59:32] <themill> Yeah, might be time to upgrade to a supported release
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• 381[04:05:41] <_Cute_Kitty_> raspberry pi running raspbian works surprisigly well
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• 391[04:15:36] <Abdullah> dpkg stretch->buster
• 392[04:15:36] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 396[04:19:02] <karlpinc> amosbird: Note that you must update from 8 to 9 before going from 9 to 10.
• 397[04:19:11] <karlpinc> upgrade
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• 399[04:19:32] <themill> and do 7→8 before that.
• 400[04:19:43] <dvs> can I hear 6?
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• 402[04:21:09] <binaryhermit> jeez, is someone running wheezy or something
• 403[04:21:13] <magic_ninja> linux level 1000
• 404[04:21:17] <magic_ninja> grep --help | grep line
• 405[04:21:29] <magic_ninja> to find line numbers
• 406[04:22:07] <binaryhermit> and it might just be easier to reinstall than go from wheezy to buster
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• 408[04:24:57] <PhotoJim> don't have to go all the way to buster. other versions of Debian still have some support.
• 409[04:27:06] <PhotoJim> jessie (8) and stretch (9) both have some support
• 410[04:27:19] <PhotoJim> can just upgrade one version, make sure all is well, then, if desired, upgrade again
• 411[04:27:29] <PhotoJim> or just live with it until jessie becomes EOL
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• 486[06:01:29] <Gerowen> How can I get Debian/Gnome to stop automatically re-adding a network printer?
• 487[06:02:09] <Gerowen> I have manually added it using a driver and port I want it to use, but it keeps re-adding a generic object for the printer, I guess just because it can see it on the network.
• 488[06:03:21] <timur_davletshin> Or via replaced-url
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• 490[06:04:00] <timur_davletshin> Or //etc/cups/cupsd.conf option "Browsing"
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• 492[06:08:00] <timur_davletshin> Gerowen, did it work?
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• 496[06:09:19] <Gerowen> The printer is a wireless printer that I just add manually to each machine. Issue is that even after removing it Gnome re-adds its own automatically discovered copy of the printer.
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• 499[06:10:45] <Gerowen> Oh I see, I can still use the CUPS webpage on client machines.
• 500[06:10:49] <Gerowen> I'll poke around.
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• 502[06:12:37] <timur_davletshin> You need to set "Browsing Off" in that file on every machine.
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• 508[06:24:27] <swift110> sup
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• 529[06:47:00] <warsoul> what irc client for debian is most likely mIRC?
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• 534[06:53:54] <afawfweaf> How do I configure a debian with KDE to auto-update regularly if it doesn't need to restart, or to prompt me to restar if it needs to?
• 535[06:55:53] <rant> warsoul: mirc is for fucktards. try quassel or hexchat
• 536[06:56:42] <fructose> warsoul: I'm liking weechat
• 537[06:56:44] <rant> quassel is nice cause it has a client/server model and clients are available on mobile even
• 538[06:57:26] <rant> its almost like screen/tmux+irssi/weechat for tards
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• 540[06:58:16] <fructose> afawfweaf: KDE usually includes an update manager. You might be able to get more help in #kde
• 541[06:58:57] <rant> there is #debian-kde on oftc..
• 542[06:59:30] <rant> upstream tends to hate it when you dont run bleeding edge
• 543[06:59:59] <spal> On a fresh new Debian 10 system, when I enter: apt-get install texlive-fonts-recommended, I see it also attempting to install texlive-latex-base. But I do not see the texlive-latex-base as a dependency or recommendation in `apt-cache show texlive-fonts-recommended`. Can someone help me understand how does `texlive-fonts-recommended` indirectly depend on `texlive-latex-base`?
• 544[07:01:24] <rant> ,suggests texlive-fonts-recommended
• 545[07:01:26] <judd> Package texlive-fonts-recommended in buster/amd64 -- suggests: texlive-fonts-recommended-doc.
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• 547[07:02:18] <rant> ,why texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-latex-base
• 548[07:02:29] <judd> Packages texlive-fonts-recommended and texlive-latex-base in buster/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: texlive-fonts-recommended ▷ tipa ▶ texlive-latex-base
• 549[07:02:33] <spal> Figured it out. `apt-get install debtree; debtree texlive-fonts-recommended`
• 550[07:02:50] <rant> spal: kudos
• 551[07:02:56] <spal> It shows `texlive-fonts-recommended` depends on `tipa` which in turn depends on `texlive-latex-base`.
• 552[07:03:03] <spal> Thanks! :)
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• 554[07:03:54] <rant> spal: i mean that sincerely.. been using debian almost 18 years never heard of debtree
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• 557[07:04:24] <rant> i know udd/judd/aptitude could do it
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• 561[07:05:26] <rant> someone asked in here recently about how to show chains like judd why does on cli i didnt know ot was possible
• 562[07:05:54] <rant> ,debtree
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• 564[07:06:02] <rant> ,i debtree
• 565[07:06:03] <judd> Package debtree (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: package dependency graphs on steroids. Version: 1.0.10+nmu1; Size: 19.5k; Installed: 63k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 566[07:06:12] <rant> hmm..
• 567[07:06:30] <rant> may have to check that out
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• 569[07:07:25] <themill> "aptitude why foo bar" can do it at the cli
• 570[07:07:51] <themill> (judd can too, but only on my machine™)
• 571[07:08:01] <rant> themill: not on uninstalled with multiple chains like judd?!
• 572[07:08:31] <rant> judd can show multiple paths
• 573[07:08:47] <themill> so can aptitude
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• 576[07:10:00] <rant> news to me i had tested aptitude on the situation that cam up within the last week or so and it didnt remotely produce the output judd does
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• 579[07:12:05] <rant> one could prob reproduce it grepping logs for ,why
• 580[07:12:34] <rant> i dont keep logs and im sauced and mobile atm.. :p
• 581[07:13:55] <rant> if people get real shit done on android with on screen keyboard.. kudos to those who try
• 582[07:14:18] <rant> i can scatcely combat typos on juice
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• 584[07:14:54] <rant> quod erat demonstratum
• 585[07:15:26] <spal> aptitude is not included in the CD image for XFCE setup. But apt-get is. Is apt-get the recommended package management tool now?
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• 587[07:16:30] <rant> apt is the new frontier
• 588[07:16:50] <rant> apt-get and apt-cache are old news
• 589[07:17:18] <spal> Thanks!
• 590[07:17:37] <rant> apt combines the two with advanced formatting of output and auto install of recommendd
• 591[07:17:41] <spal> What are the bots in this channel I can /query for more information and trivia? I see judd is one. Is debhelper also a bot?
• 592[07:18:20] <rant> spal: dpkg, judd.. apt and debhelper are fallback for dpkg
• 593[07:19:13] <rant> spal: dpkg is an infobot with factoids and judd is i believe a supybot with UDD plugin
• 594[07:19:19] <rant> , w
• 595[07:19:31] <rant> ,what are you
• 596[07:19:39] <warsoul> im trying to boot my pc with windows 10 trying to install debian 10 from a usb
• 597[07:19:48] <warsoul> im typing F2, DEL
• 598[07:20:10] <rant> warsoul: you aim to dual boot or replace?
• 599[07:20:11] <warsoul> and is not coming up the bios to boot from the usb
• 600[07:21:51] <rant> idk what F2 means to you.. I'm on a thinkpad, the newer ones use Enter to interrupt startup and display a menu of commands, F11 IIRC is temp boot device selection
• 601[07:22:07] <rant> older ones have a thinkvantage button
• 602[07:22:15] <warsoul> my pc is a new one
• 603[07:22:20] <warsoul> probably 1 year o 2 years old
• 604[07:22:27] <rant> thats vague.. :D
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• 606[07:22:46] <warsoul> so what i have to type?
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• 608[07:23:08] <rant> there were probably 15,098,750,982 PCs made in the last 2 years :P
• 609[07:23:24] <rant> and yes, I smashed the numbers at random
• 610[07:23:36] <warsoul> very helpfull
• 611[07:23:46] <rant> indeed, so are you
• 612[07:24:14] <rant> support of an unknown BIOS/UEFI is beyond the scope of our support..
• 613[07:24:52] <rant> you seem to know enough to manage to either specify which one, or figure out how to select a boot device or configure it and set the boot priority
• 614[07:25:15] <rant> its not like there is standard operation, all I can do is tell you how mine works, and I already did that
• 615[07:26:02] <rant> I can further tell you I have an Lenovo Thinkpad t440 and go into further detail, but unless you also have a 5 year old thinkpad, its not likely to be of any use.. as I said, operation is not standard
• 616[07:26:07] <earend1> i show you mine, if you show me
• 617[07:26:14] <rant> earend1: :D
• 618[07:26:25] <earend1> :>
• 619[07:26:53] * rant swaffles earend1
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• 621[07:29:24] <toruvinn> f12 is temp boot device
• 622[07:29:31] <toruvinn> f11 was... hmm...
• 623[07:29:49] <toruvinn> nah not rebooting, sorry. ;-)
• 624[07:31:13] <rant> it all depends on who made your bios and for what board/machine specifically
• 625[07:31:39] <rant> for me, all I have to do is press enter and ALL options are listed on screen
• 626[07:32:15] <magic_ninja> anyone know how to use regex on grep in a file?
• 627[07:32:25] <rant> magic_ninja: egrep
• 628[07:32:43] <rant> which is same as grep -e
• 629[07:32:47] <magic_ninja> I can for instance "grep 'string' <file>"
• 630[07:32:57] <magic_ninja> is egrep a standard gnu tool?
• 631[07:33:05] <rant> ,find egrep
• 632[07:33:11] <judd> Search for egrep in buster/amd64: zutils: bin/zegrep; bzip2: bin/bzegrep; grep: bin/egrep; gzip: bin/zegrep; gnuit: usr/bin/gitregrep; pcregrep: usr/bin/pcregrep, usr/bin/zpcregrep, usr/share/doc/pcregrep; debian-goodies: usr/bin/degrep, usr/bin/dzegrep; hxtools: usr/bin/pegrep; namazu2: usr/bin/nmzegrep; atfs: usr/bin/vegrep; xz-utils: usr/bin/xzegrep; yash:
• 633[07:33:12] <judd> usr/share/yash/completion/egrep
• 634[07:33:33] <rant> magic_ninja: seems its included with the grep package
• 635[07:33:42] <rant> as I said its the same as grep -e
• 636[07:33:48] <rant> personally I prefer egrep
• 637[07:34:03] <rant> as in dpkg -l | egrep ^.i
• 638[07:35:07] <magic_ninja> man, what is with some cli tools
• 639[07:35:23] <earend1> warsoul: just ahead: device is tested to be working eventually?
• 640[07:35:24] <magic_ninja> I mean, I can't do grep -ne or grep -en I have to do grep -n -e but other tools allow it
• 641[07:35:42] <rant> though grep understands ERE, BRE, and PCRE, so depending on what you want..
• 642[07:35:59] <magic_ninja> so grep -ne works but not grep -en
• 643[07:36:36] <rant> this may be cause enough for RTFM.. heh.. cause it understands various regex dialects
• 644[07:36:51] <rant> iirc, its -p for PCRE
• 645[07:37:05] <rant> -e or egrep is BRE or ERE not sure
• 646[07:37:18] <earend1> warsoul: like on another machine. if not how u created it.. ( .. is supposed to be OPROM or EFI?)
• 647[07:39:35] <earend1> replaced-url
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• 653[07:41:51] <magic_ninja> So this doesn't work: grep -n -e PAGE\sOF\s\d 1.txt
• 654[07:42:12] <magic_ninja> wait, I see what I did, I think
• 655[07:42:25] <magic_ninja> Should be PAGE\s\dOF\s\d 1.txt
• 656[07:42:51] <magic_ninja> that didn't work. Tryint o find 'PAGE X OF X'
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• 660[07:44:20] <earend1> replaced-url
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• 665[07:46:30] <warsoul> im booting my pc with a usb to install debian 10
• 666[07:46:38] <warsoul> but for some reasong is not running the install
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• 668[07:46:50] <warsoul> *reason*
• 669[07:47:10] <warsoul> i change the priority on the bios for booting
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• 672[07:50:28] <magic_ninja> Is the USB stick being detected as a bootable device?
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• 674[07:50:48] <warsoul> i think it is
• 675[07:51:03] <magic_ninja> Guess you better bring up the boot menu option and find out for sure, huh?
• 676[07:51:18] <warsoul> yes it is
• 677[07:51:21] <warsoul> just double check
• 678[07:51:24] <magic_ninja> What is it called
• 679[07:51:54] <warsoul> Vendorco USB Drive
• 680[07:52:07] <warsoul> but in the boot menu i just see vendorco
• 681[07:52:14] <magic_ninja> Is it showing up under EFI or legacy?
• 682[07:52:22] <warsoul> EFI
• 683[07:52:35] <magic_ninja> And what happens when you select it?
• 684[07:53:00] <warsoul> i select it and restart again i it goes up with windows normally
• 685[07:53:20] <magic_ninja> What program did you burn it with?
• 686[07:53:34] <warsoul> download it to my pc
• 687[07:53:40] <warsoul> and just pass it to my usb
• 688[07:54:40] <magic_ninja> that is why
• 689[07:54:50] <magic_ninja> you downloaded a disk image
• 690[07:55:03] <magic_ninja> you have to make a bootable usb from it. Try etcher.
• 691[07:55:15] <warsoul> how i do that?
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• 695[07:58:32] <warsoul> ?
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• 699[08:00:46] <rant> ugh
• 700[08:01:02] <rant> or how about you don't try etcher and try reading the goddamn release notes
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• 703[08:01:38] <rant> replaced-url
• 704[08:01:48] <rant> is what it says in the release notes last time I checked
• 705[08:02:00] <rant> not rufus, not etcher, not unetbootin..
• 706[08:02:55] <rant> !release notes
• 707[08:02:55] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
• 708[08:03:06] <rant> !buster install guide
• 709[08:03:06] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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• 719[08:12:04] <magic_ninja> Probably because the install documentation doesn't give clear-cut info on such a vital part of the process.
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• 721[08:14:45] <magic_ninja> Also because they are on Windows and the documentation gives instructions for someone on linux
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• 786[09:19:15] <UnknownSh-t> hi
• 787[09:19:19] <jim> hi
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• 789[09:19:40] <UnknownSh-t> you are a debian user?
• 790[09:19:49] <jim> I am
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• 792[09:19:56] <ZaZaGX> i am
• 793[09:20:11] <jim> he is
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• 796[09:20:56] <UnknownSh-t> what pc do you use?
• 797[09:21:35] <somecyberpunk> <---amd
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• 799[09:22:03] <UnknownSh-t> i use intel
• 800[09:22:10] <jim> I have it on two pcs I had built (one functions as a gateway router, serving gigabit ethernet and wireless subnets)
• 801[09:22:17] <UnknownSh-t> old or new one?
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• 808[09:23:26] <UnknownSh-t> @jim so you are computer genius
• 809[09:24:09] <jim> pretty new, they were built maybe 3 years ago
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• 811[09:24:23] <jim> no, I used a package
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• 813[09:24:41] <jim> all the smarts were in that
• 814[09:24:57] <UnknownSh-t> (y)
• 815[09:25:25] <jim> UnknownSh-t, what about you? what are you running?
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• 818[09:26:45] <UnknownSh-t> I'm using a cybercafe pc while waiting my friend
• 819[09:27:05] <jim> what do you have at home?
• 820[09:27:26] <UnknownSh-t> a smashed old laptop
• 821[09:28:00] <UnknownSh-t> im not using debian right now but hoping to
• 822[09:28:15] <jim> ok
• 823[09:28:37] <jim> that's easy... do you want to put it on this laptop you speak of?
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• 825[09:29:09] <UnknownSh-t> mine that at home?
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• 827[09:29:21] <UnknownSh-t> but smashed
• 828[09:29:37] <UnknownSh-t> *broken*
• 829[09:29:39] <jim> well what would you like to run debian on?
• 830[09:30:33] <UnknownSh-t> first i wanted to use debian on that old laptop but later that laptop broken
• 831[09:31:47] <jim> ok, will you get another machine?
• 832[09:31:57] <UnknownSh-t> im using replaced-url
• 833[09:32:01] <UnknownSh-t> yeah i will
• 834[09:32:22] <jim> hexchat
• 835[09:33:01] <jim> ok,,, about this laptop, does it run at all?
• 836[09:33:15] <UnknownSh-t> no
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• 838[09:33:19] <jim> ok
• 839[09:33:20] <UnknownSh-t> what other linux distros you used before?
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• 841[09:33:52] <jim> I started with SLS, then went to slackware, then redhat, then debian
• 842[09:34:47] <UnknownSh-t> Softlanding Linux System?
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• 844[09:35:11] <jim> yeah, it came on two floppies, and loaded itself into rem
• 845[09:35:13] <jim> ram
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• 847[09:35:46] <UnknownSh-t> wow
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• 849[09:36:17] <jim> then someone told me about slackware, and I installed that onto my hard drive
• 850[09:37:03] <UnknownSh-t> also based on SLS?
• 851[09:37:21] <jim> slackware? no it wasn't
• 852[09:38:35] <jim> but I ran it for a couple years, tried to replace libc without replacing my executables... so that made all my executables die
• 853[09:39:16] <jim> couildn't do anything after that, and I heard that redhat could upgrade itself... so I installed that
• 854[09:39:52] <jim> and, it failed when it came time to do the upgrade
• 855[09:40:14] <jim> I heard that debian could upgrade itself, so I tried that...
• 856[09:40:45] <UnknownSh-t> so debain success?
• 857[09:41:06] <jim> and it did upgrade itself, so I stuck with it
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• 864[09:44:02] <jim> and the upgrades continued to succeed over the years, they were very solid. back then, the thing that upgraded packages was called dselect... I didn't like it, but I learned to use it
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• 866[09:44:34] <ZaZaGX> hi
• 867[09:44:40] <jim> hi
• 868[09:44:49] <UnknownSh-t> hi
• 869[09:44:56] <UnknownSh-t> jim: wow
• 870[09:45:02] <ZaZaGX> him, is a linux staff?
• 871[09:45:06] <ZaZaGX> jim
• 872[09:45:24] <jim> ZaZaGX, I'm a channel operator on ##linux
• 873[09:45:24] <EoflaOE> hi
• 874[09:45:46] <EoflaOE> hi ZaZaGX
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• 877[09:46:54] <jim> I watched as Manoj and Culus designed and built apt
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• 879[09:47:52] <ZaZaGX> hey EoflaOE
• 880[09:47:54] <UnknownSh-t> build apt?
• 881[09:48:20] <UnknownSh-t> apt install?
• 882[09:48:24] <ZaZaGX> EoflaOE, i thought you use Ubuntu
• 883[09:48:31] <jim> UnknownSh-t, apt is a program that downloads and installs debian packages
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• 885[09:48:48] <EoflaOE> ZaZaGX: I still use Ubuntu but I joined this channel
• 886[09:48:58] <ZaZaGX> oh how come
• 887[09:48:59] <UnknownSh-t> oh wow
• 888[09:49:01] <EoflaOE> and #ubuntu too.
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• 891[09:50:06] <jim> UnknownSh-t, apt knows how to see what each package says it needs, and if it needs another debian package to be installed if it is to run properly, apt will download and install both packages
• 892[09:50:53] <UnknownSh-t> yeah i know
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• 906[09:57:58] <UnknownSh-t> so apt is designed and built by Manoj and Culus?
• 907[09:58:06] <jim> UnknownSh-t, anyway, it should be easy to put debian onto the machine you get... they have these downloadable images, that boot into an installer, and you can put them on a small usb memory stick, or on a cd blank
• 908[09:59:10] <jim> UnknownSh-t, well Culus was the main guy, Manoj was mentoring him through the whole process
• 909[10:00:06] <UnknownSh-t> what version of debain do you use when you know about debain?
• 910[10:00:28] <jim> I'm running stable
• 911[10:00:56] <UnknownSh-t> ok bye
• 912[10:01:03] <UnknownSh-t> i need to go now
• 913[10:01:05] <jim> if you want, you can run testing, so you can help with the next release
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• 916[10:03:51] <ZaZaGX> whats culus and manoj?
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• 920[10:05:43] <ZaZaGX> jim
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• 924[10:08:20] <at0m> ZaZaGX: < jim> I watched as Manoj and Culus designed and built apt
• 925[10:08:49] <ZaZaGX> i assume they are debian dev?
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• 928[10:09:30] <at0m> seeminly so.
• 929[10:09:40] <at0m> +g
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• 931[10:14:56] <ZaZaGX> oh
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• 948[10:30:23] <jim> ZaZaGX, yep, they are
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• 955[10:34:41] <elm_> I want to install some packages in the rescue console
• 956[10:34:55] <elm_> however dpkg says error: epoch in version empty
• 957[10:35:24] <elm_> ... /var/lib/dpkg/status exists but it seems incompatible with dpkg
• 958[10:35:37] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
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• 965[10:41:45] <elm_> where can I find the debian download server? download.debian.org?
• 966[10:44:47] <elm_> it is cdimage.debian.org
• 967[10:44:53] <elm_> a very badly linked site
• 968[10:44:58] <elm_> I have remembered it
• 969[10:45:04] <elm_> could not find the link
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• 977[10:49:25] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
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• 1026[11:29:10] <DracoSentien> w00t ! Debian is awesome. Buster fixed my distro-hopping problem.
• 1027[11:29:20] <DracoSentien> no more distro hopping for me
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• 1033[11:33:57] <DracoSentien> I used to use Debian Slink and Debian Etch between using FreeBSD and OpenBSD
• 1034[11:34:15] <DracoSentien> I think the *BSDs gave me an appreciation for how stable and not bleeding edge Debian Stable is
• 1035[11:34:28] <DracoSentien> bleeding edge is another word for buggy as hell
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• 1073[12:04:05] <becks`> hi, I have to ssds in a server, do I need to replace them both? replaced-url
• 1074[12:04:32] <becks`> *two
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• 1078[12:06:28] <JPT> Not an expert, but for ~4+ years of experience, it seems to be running out of reserved blocks to replace bad blocks
• 1079[12:06:38] <JPT> So a full backup and additional caution should be a good idea
• 1080[12:07:01] <JPT> If you're able to easily replace them and wear the old ones down in a less critical environment, go for it
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• 1082[12:08:05] <becks`> thanks JPT, I think my hoster set up a software raid 1... if I ask him to replace the disks one by one, do I need to enter a command after he replaces the 1st disk?
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• 1084[12:08:14] <ZaZaGX> ahoy
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• 1087[12:09:16] <JPT> becks`: If it's a software raid1, you can usually see details about its state with `cat /proc/mdstat` and other mdadm commands. Once one disk is replaced, be sure that the array did a full rebuild successfully.
• 1088[12:09:34] <becks`> thanks a lot =)
• 1089[12:09:39] <JPT> Good luck :)
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• 1100[12:14:25] <ImDoxed> Hey guys
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• 1120[12:29:26] <B|ack0p> hi
• 1121[12:30:16] <B|ack0p> how can i make dock on gnome desktop visible everytime as ubuntu dock?
• 1122[12:30:28] <B|ack0p> it appears only when i click on Activities
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• 1124[12:30:33] <omarek> Correct me if I'm wrong but testdisk can't load gzipped dd images?
• 1125[12:30:58] <alkisg> omarek: afaik, you're right, you'd need to gunzip them first
• 1126[12:31:01] <omarek> What I'm finding on the net so far is that I should've thought about this earlier and used another compression method, like xz
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• 1129[12:32:28] <diogenes_> Hello guys, i have composed a script that enters several directories, runs ./configure && make && sudo make install, then it proceeds to the next directory, the problem is that it proceeds to the next directory whether the ./configure was successful or it ends in *** The required package X was not found on your system. So in the end i still have to run it manually in order to make sure that all the targets are configured successfully.
• 1130[12:32:42] <diogenes_> Is there any way to make is stop if it ends in error?
• 1131[12:32:57] <alkisg> diogenes_: pastebin the script if you can, it'll be much faster to solve it
• 1132[12:33:08] <diogenes_> alkisg, ok one moment
• 1133[12:33:09] <Habbie> i was going to just suggest 'set -e' but reading the script is always good
• 1134[12:33:17] <alkisg> You're supposed to put "if" or "|| die" or something similar
• 1135[12:33:32] <Habbie> or chain the && longer
• 1136[12:33:45] <JPT> In bash, $? contains the exit code of your last command. You could use that to check if you want to proceed with the next task
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• 1140[12:34:24] <JPT> e.g. > false && true; echo $? should return 1
• 1141[12:34:44] <JPT> s/return/print
• 1142[12:35:01] <Habbie> (also in dash)
• 1143[12:35:15] <diogenes_> ok here is my script: replaced-url
• 1144[12:35:29] <diogenes_> it's a longer list but it's all the same.
• 1145[12:35:32] <Habbie> 'set -e' at the tip will do the trick for this script
• 1146[12:35:41] <alkisg> +1, in this case set -e is fine
• 1147[12:35:44] <Habbie> if it's all the same, maybe you want a for loop to reduce code duplication
• 1148[12:36:04] <Bushmills> right, then there'd be just one place where to break the loop in case of error
• 1149[12:36:06] <diogenes_> where do i set: set -e?
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• 1151[12:36:20] <alkisg> The first line in the script, after #!/bin/sh
• 1152[12:36:26] <alkisg> After the shebang
• 1153[12:36:33] <diogenes_> oh, ok let me try, thanks.
• 1154[12:36:37] <alkisg> Or you can put: #!/bin/sh -e
• 1155[12:36:46] <alkisg> Or: #!/bin/bash -e, if it's bash-specific
• 1156[12:36:52] <Bushmills> pass directory name to loop variable, expand it in the command in loop body
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• 1158[12:37:15] <Habbie> Bushmills, it'll still be 3-4 places in the loop to check, unless we add some &&, so i'd still suggest set -e
• 1159[12:37:23] <Habbie> in fact most script everywhere always should have set -e
• 1160[12:37:25] <diogenes_> Thanks guys, you're great help!
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• 1162[12:38:06] <alkisg> diogenes_: for d in xfce4-timer-plugin-1.7.0 thunar-archive-plugin-0.4.0 thunar-shares-plugin-0.3.0; do cd "$d"; ./configure -disable-shared --enable-static --prefix=/usr; make; sudo make install; cd ..; done
• 1163[12:38:11] <omarek> Habbie: Hi! I'm still at it, and absorbed a lot of info about hard drive recovery.
• 1164[12:38:13] <alkisg> that's what Bushmills meant
• 1165[12:38:16] <Bushmills> yes. by "one place" i mean, once where it matters, not repeatedly in each section
• 1166[12:38:29] <Habbie> omarek, hi!
• 1167[12:38:32] <Habbie> Bushmills, ack
• 1168[12:38:41] <alkisg> So you use a "loop" instead of multiple copy/pastes of the same commands
• 1169[12:38:52] <Habbie> alkisg, i recommend pushd/popd instead of cd, just in case a future dir is 3 paths deep
• 1170[12:38:53] <diogenes_> alkisg, wow, that is ninja approach :) i didn't know that trick, thanks!
• 1171[12:38:54] <omarek> Habbie: It appears the drive (esp. data) is intact, but GPT is damaged. Namely, backup GPT header.
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• 1174[12:39:38] <alkisg> Habbie: cd - works too, no need for push/pop in this context, but I was trying to keep it simple for diogenes_
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• 1176[12:39:56] <omarek> Habbie: Also 2 complaints gdisk has - about partition too big for the disk - are due to HPA enabled.
• 1177[12:40:56] <omarek> Habbie: If primary GPT is truly OK and only the backup GPT is damaged, shouldn't it mount (and boot system) anyway?
• 1178[12:40:59] <mallxs> how to do a dpkg-reconfigure on buster?
• 1179[12:41:46] <mallxs> i get a not found
• 1180[12:42:13] <Bushmills> mallxs: su -
• 1181[12:42:28] <Habbie> alkisg, oh yes, cd - might be more readable here
• 1182[12:42:40] <mallxs> Oops had a wrong PATH .... sorry
• 1183[12:42:47] <Habbie> omarek, i don't know what systems do with conflicting GPTs - but what happens if you fix the backup GPT?
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• 1185[12:43:23] <omarek> Habbie: I don't know yet because gdisk has a known problem with HPA. It complains about partition being too big for the disk and won't let me save.
• 1186[12:43:29] <omarek> 'w'rite.
• 1187[12:44:13] <omarek> I know how to disable HPA using hdparm, but I'm holding back until I'm prepared for more risk.
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• 1190[12:45:33] <omarek> What programs can be used to repair GPT? gdisk is one... Perhaps there's another that can do it and isn't bothered by HPA.
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• 1192[12:46:37] <Habbie> omarek, i'm running out of advice, sorry
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• 1194[12:46:49] <Habbie> omarek, have you tried mounting partitions from inside your -image- of the disk?
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• 1197[12:50:17] <omarek> Habbie: no, the image is gzipped. I should've compressed it with something else, like xz or perhaps bzip.
• 1198[12:50:48] <omarek> I can scrap enough space for cloning the image onto a 5TiB drive but I need to move some things around.
• 1199[12:50:51] <Habbie> omarek, none of those would make it easier to mount from
• 1200[12:50:53] <Habbie> right
• 1201[12:51:28] <finn0> Which program does read ~/.profile file when I'm log-in through GNOME desktop environment? Probably bash will not because when I exported some env variables (export LESS_TERMCAP_mb=$'\e[1;32m' etc) in ~/.profile file to color man page it doesn't work whereas, putting it in ~/.bashrc file worked.
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• 1203[12:52:09] <finn0> As well as for "console" it doesn't matter where do I put these variables.
• 1204[12:52:14] <omarek> I also partially understood what the boot message is complaining about. Something is pointing at a partition UUID that can't be found. I've found the same UUID on the damaged drive's /etc/fstab
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• 1206[12:52:44] <Bushmills> bash as login shell will. consider that other shells than bash exist too
• 1207[12:53:05] <omarek> Now the question is: what points the boot procedure at the missing drive UUID? Something in GPT or the /etc/fstab file from a drive which supposedly can't be mounted?
• 1208[12:53:12] <Bushmills> try bash -l, and .profile will be read
• 1209[12:53:41] <Habbie> omarek, probably something in grub
• 1210[12:54:05] <omarek> Habbie: Thanks, I need to read up on blkid
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• 1216[12:56:15] <finn0> Bushmills: Is there is way to check which login shell I'm using? when I'm log-in in GNOME environment. For console, echo $0 will output it.
• 1217[12:57:08] <Bushmills> a shell can be run as login shell several times
• 1218[12:57:29] <Bushmills> it essentially just means "do some extra initialisation"
• 1219[12:57:46] <Bushmills> (such as, reading from .profile too)
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• 1221[13:00:44] <finn0> I thing, I didn't clarify my question. Here, Why doesn't "export LESS_TERMCAP_mb=$'\e[1;32m'" work when it was in ~/.profile file whereas, it works when it is ~/.bashrc?
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• 1223[13:01:20] <mallxs> finn0: ps will show the what shell process is running
• 1224[13:01:22] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, where is apache2-ssl-certificate ?
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• 1226[13:01:42] <rocketmagnet> it's not part of any package i can find with apt-file search
• 1227[13:01:48] <Habbie> rocketmagnet, there's no such file in debian - what are you looking for?
• 1228[13:02:18] <rocketmagnet> Habbie: i want to create ssl cert. for my apache2 server
• 1229[13:02:40] <Habbie> rocketmagnet, i suggest certbot
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• 1231[13:02:46] <rocketmagnet> certbot ?
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• 1233[13:02:48] <Bushmills> finn0: probably because after adding it to .profile, bash wasn't executed as login shell
• 1234[13:02:52] <mallxs> finn0: also when you use a terminal in gnome desktop and you open a second then you current env is used
• 1235[13:02:53] <Habbie> rocketmagnet, apt show certbot
• 1236[13:04:26] <mallxs> finn0: but you can start a new (whaterver)sh in you current shell and the .profile will be sourced for that shell
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• 1241[13:06:14] <finn0> Bushmills: After adding I relogin. And also tried to reboot but, I doesn't work. Instead whenver I open man page (for ex: man bash) I get some escape character as prefix with some words. No color. But, I run source ~/.profile it works fine.
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• 1243[13:07:08] <finn0> in bash
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• 1250[13:08:41] <finn0> and as mallxs said I verified that I'm using bash as login shell then, why doesn't man page output get colored?
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• 1253[13:09:36] <Bushmills> what does hd <<< "$LESS_TERMCAP_mb" executed from bash show? (hd is in bsdmainutils which I assume installed)
• 1254[13:10:06] <finn0> mallxs: I didn't this statement "you open a second". What does second mean?
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• 1260[13:11:59] <finn0> Bushmills: Await couple of minutes. Let me move code from ~/.bashrc to ~/.profile.
• 1261[13:12:20] <finn0> I'm leaving now. Join in couple of minutes.
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• 1263[13:12:51] <B|ack0p> can i install vscode on deb10?
• 1264[13:12:58] <B|ack0p> i cant find in store
• 1265[13:13:06] <B|ack0p> does debian support snap apps?
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• 1268[13:14:27] <BCMM> B|ack0p: "snapd" is in the repo
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• 1271[13:15:22] <BCMM> but there also seems to be a repo for installing it with apt on microsoft's website
• 1272[13:16:18] <B|ack0p> ok
• 1273[13:17:06] <Ger8_> anyone know? my syslog get spammed full with systemd: time has changed and apt-daily-upgrade.timer / apt-daily.timer adding *time messages..
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• 1279[13:22:19] <Bushmills> abozut time, let me guess: you're periodically syncing time with an ntp server, rather than slewing it (slowly adjusting to correct time) - which the systemd detects as time jumping
• 1280[13:22:31] <B|ack0p> i added this repo for vscode but it is giving error when i run update: replaced-url
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• 1282[13:23:07] <Bushmills> (while the timer for your system clock is off, so it deviates after some time from actual time)
• 1283[13:23:12] <B|ack0p> this is the error: replaced-url
• 1284[13:23:16] <B|ack0p> how can i remove it?
• 1285[13:23:27] <Ger8_> yeah it is something like that, i removed ntp
• 1286[13:23:38] <Bushmills> "off" as in "deviating", not as in "disabled"
• 1287[13:23:59] <Bushmills> adding ntp again may help
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• 1291[13:24:22] <finn0> Bushmills: 00000000 0a |.|
• 1292[13:24:37] <finn0> Bushmills: 00000001
• 1293[13:24:50] <finn0> output of hd <<< "$LESS_TERMCAP_mb"
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• 1295[13:24:57] <Ger8_> no it doesnt
• 1296[13:24:57] <Bushmills> finn0: so something is assigned, but not what you expect
• 1297[13:24:59] <Habbie> finn0, so, $LESS_TERMCAP_mb is unset or empty
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• 1299[13:25:36] <Bushmills> no, ignore me. Habbie is right, nothing assigned
• 1300[13:25:40] <Habbie> :)
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• 1302[13:28:09] <Bushmills> question is then probably "why doesn't bash get executed as login shell" which I can't answer.
• 1303[13:28:25] <finn0> ouput after running source ~/.profile in bash shell:
• 1304[13:28:25] <finn0> 00000000 1b 5b 31 3b 33 32 6d 0a |.[1;32m.|
• 1305[13:28:25] <finn0> 00000008
• 1306[13:28:41] <B|ack0p> how can i delete a file?
• 1307[13:28:54] <B|ack0p> in /etc/apt/sources.d/vscode
• 1308[13:28:55] <Bushmills> with a sharp needle
• 1309[13:29:03] <B|ack0p> Bushmills: :p
• 1310[13:29:20] <B|ack0p> i need to delete vscode.list
• 1311[13:29:27] <B|ack0p> in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
• 1312[13:29:33] <B|ack0p> giving error
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• 1315[13:32:25] <finn0> here is my ~/.profile file (replaced-url
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• 1317[13:34:05] <finn0> B|ack0p: what is error message?
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• 1320[13:36:30] <finn0> Bushmills: as mallxs said running "ps" command output which login shell I'm using. It's bash.
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• 1323[13:39:42] <Bushmills> even a single type of shell can be launched several times as login shell - but launching it in a term from gnome doesn't appear to do that.
• 1324[13:40:20] <Bushmills> I suppose if you log in from a console, it will be
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• 1326[13:41:12] <finn0> Bushmills: Yep, everything works as expected when I login through console.
• 1327[13:41:58] <B|ack0p> finn0: replaced-url
• 1328[13:42:01] <finn0> *from
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• 1333[13:44:54] <finn0> B|ack0p: Well, seems like you don't have vscode repo public key. If want to keep vscode repos you can simply add there GPG key in apt keyring.
• 1334[13:45:47] <finn0> Otherwise (want to delete repos) `sudo rm /etc/apt/source.list.d/vscode.list`
• 1335[13:45:54] <B|ack0p> microsoft didnt write it in website
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• 1337[13:46:14] <finn0> B|ack0p: Do you want to keep vscode repos?
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• 1339[13:46:49] <B|ack0p> to get updates yes
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• 1341[13:47:14] <B|ack0p> but i cant find the key
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• 1344[13:47:37] <B|ack0p> finn0: here the document i was reading: replaced-url
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• 1349[13:48:54] <brutser> hi, lm-sensors is not finding any SMSC, the result is that i am only seeing limited temperature information < laptop lenovo g505s with amd a10-5750M cpu and motherboard is LA-a091p_r1.0 - i am trying to find out how to get better results here, can anyone suggest me something?
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• 1351[13:49:33] <satanist> B|ack0p: this doku is siglently wrong, the key must put in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ see apt-key(8)
• 1352[13:50:02] <B|ack0p> ok better to remove it
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• 1354[13:50:55] <B|ack0p> rm: cannot remove '/etc/apt/source.list.d/vscode.list': No such file or directory
• 1355[13:50:58] <B|ack0p> huh
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• 1358[13:51:50] <humpled> sources
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• 1360[13:52:12] <B|ack0p> humpled: thx :D
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• 1362[13:53:01] <humpled> are you doing this with sudo or as root?
• 1363[13:53:11] <B|ack0p> sudo
• 1364[13:53:14] <humpled> because you can save time and risk with tab-complete
• 1365[13:53:38] <B|ack0p> hmm
• 1366[13:54:00] <humpled> seems to work with sudo anyway
• 1367[13:54:25] <humpled> personally i would cd to the dir and ls to check before removing, best to be sure :)
• 1368[13:54:45] <B|ack0p> i checked myself on the folder
• 1369[13:54:50] <B|ack0p> not in terminal
• 1370[13:54:57] <B|ack0p> finally removed it:p
• 1371[13:55:19] <humpled> or even just open the file and comment out the line with a #, then you still have it if you need it
• 1372[13:55:42] <B|ack0p> it doesnt let me without root privilidge
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• 1374[13:55:55] <B|ack0p> i cant edit physically any file/folder
• 1375[13:56:06] <humpled> oh
• 1376[13:56:17] <finn0> B|ack0p: you can simply run `sudo apt-key add vscode.gpg`
• 1377[13:56:21] <B|ack0p> if i could i would just delete it
• 1378[13:56:36] <B|ack0p> finn0: late i already removed the file :p
• 1379[13:56:40] <B|ack0p> can i add now?
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• 1382[13:57:38] <finn0> B|ack0p: more important question is that do you want vscode? And answer to your question "yes".
• 1383[13:57:52] <B|ack0p> yes i want
• 1384[13:58:03] <B|ack0p> i just wanna receive updates by adding repository
• 1385[13:58:20] <B|ack0p> ok let me apply the command again..
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• 1390[13:59:05] <B|ack0p> gpg: can't open 'vscode.gpg': No such file or directory
• 1391[13:59:08] <B|ack0p> never mind..
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• 1393[13:59:30] <humpled> why does it need to be in apt though, does it install dependencies?
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• 1395[14:00:19] <humpled> seems to me you're giving vscode the power to disrupt your install
• 1396[14:01:09] <finn0> B|ack0p: This command should works curl replaced-url
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• 1399[14:02:00] <finn0> B|ack0p: Before doing anything else please read this article Don't break Debian (replaced-url
• 1400[14:02:21] <B|ack0p> ok
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• 1403[14:02:48] <jelly> humpled: it has regular updates. If you trust the vendor once, might as well trust its packaging from that point on
• 1404[14:03:12] <nixew> How to set gufw to start enabled on startup? It's disabled every time I turn on my laptop.
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• 1406[14:04:00] <finn0> jelly: do they specifically pack vscode for Debian (stretch, buster)?
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• 1408[14:04:09] <humpled> youtube-dl has regular updates and i don't run it as root so it's easiest to download it myself
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• 1412[14:05:26] <finn0> if not, then shouldn't mix non-Debian package with Debian packages. Although, there is a snap package application available and I think B|ack0p should prefer that.
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• 1414[14:05:48] <jelly> finn0: I have no idea how they build and which (os, release) they target, only have that one installed on ubuntu 16.04
• 1415[14:06:05] <jelly> the package however is pretty selfcontained
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• 1417[14:06:26] <finn0> because snap run in isolated environment.
• 1418[14:06:27] <epsilon> Microsoft is providing any debian package?
• 1419[14:06:58] <jelly> epsilon: yes, and unrelatedly, they're also providing debian installation images in their store as well
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• 1421[14:07:34] <epsilon> hui, time changes...
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• 1424[14:08:37] <jelly> (you can also get ms sql server as a .deb)
• 1425[14:10:33] <B|ack0p> see you later
• 1426[14:10:35] <B|ack0p> thx
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• 1432[14:13:38] <martin-_-_> jelly did you ever imagine of installing a ms product on Debian?
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• 1437[14:15:19] <Abdullah> How to write the crypttab and initramfs again for a broken encrypted install?
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• 1439[14:16:04] <holl> installing a ms product on Debian?is that even legal?
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• 1441[14:16:31] <Abdullah> legal? lol
• 1442[14:16:38] <humpled> and they use cowsay in the screenshot!
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• 1446[14:17:59] <Habbie> holl, yes
• 1447[14:18:39] <jelly> holl: Debian is suposed to be a universal oerating system. Placing restrictions on what it can be used for, eg. what can be installed on top, would go against Debian Free Software Guidelines.
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• 1450[14:19:07] <holl> you cant use patent incumbred software
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• 1452[14:19:12] <jelly> you can.
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• 1456[14:19:50] <jelly> you might not get it from Debian itself
• 1457[14:20:00] <holl> you cant use closed source on linux
• 1458[14:20:01] <jelly> but you can use whatever you want
• 1459[14:20:15] <padarc> i do actually (pls dont kill me)
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• 1463[14:21:07] <humpled> i see it the other way around holl, you can't make linux closed-source
• 1464[14:21:10] <jelly> holl: you can, in fact, install and use closed source products on Debian
• 1465[14:21:12] <holl> no need you are comminting slow suiced
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• 1468[14:22:18] <holl> using closed source on linux against everything that linux stands for
• 1469[14:22:26] <jelly> tell that to Google
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• 1471[14:22:57] <padarc> holl, i am not sure if you are serious or trolling, tbh
• 1472[14:23:00] <jelly> holl: however, it's perfectly legal and license abiding to do so
• 1473[14:23:12] <holl> that makes you a traitor to what freesoftware and opensource stands for
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• 1475[14:25:27] <jelly> holl: we don't deal with opinions on other users moral standards here (a lot), we do tech support and use of Debian, with occasional correction of statements that might affect said use
• 1476[14:26:13] <jelly> "can't use closed source on Linux" is factually incorrect
• 1477[14:26:47] <w1d3m0d3> sounds more like evangelist bs
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• 1479[14:27:27] <holl> im agnostic
• 1480[14:27:36] <w1d3m0d3> not that definition of evangelism
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• 1482[14:27:59] <jelly> eh, some evangelism is fine, as long as it doesn't present falsehoods as facts
• 1483[14:28:19] <holl> you sound like a proprietary evangelist
• 1484[14:28:29] <coruja> !ot
• 1485[14:28:29] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 1486[14:28:32] <w1d3m0d3> nice
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• 1524[15:04:32] <fr33domlover> o/ in debian installer, when choosing uefi guided partitioning, why does the layout have 1M free space at the beginning and 335k at the end? is that intentional/needed?
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• 1527[15:07:18] <dvs> fr33domlover, the 1m free at the beginning is for the GFI formatted disk information
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• 1529[15:08:45] <fr33domlover> dvs, I assume it will be used automatically? also hmm do I need the ESP partition to be mounted anywhere? The installer doesn't set a mount point, at least none is displayed in the suggested layout
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• 1531[15:09:56] <fr33domlover> (Ah ok there's no option to set mount point, hopefully it will do that automatically)
• 1532[15:10:00] <dvs> fr33domlover, yes, you will need a EFI partition which will have the ESP flag set
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• 1534[15:10:46] <Habbie> fr33domlover, once installed, i found it mounted at /boot/efi without anything i did
• 1535[15:12:54] <fr33domlover> Habbie, dvs, thanks :) do I need those KBs of free space at the end too?
• 1536[15:13:23] <dvs> fr33domlover, I have no idea what that is used for
• 1537[15:14:34] <Habbie> fr33domlover, read the bottom answer at replaced-url
• 1538[15:17:21] <fr33domlover> Habbie, hmm can I remove that free space then? I mean, use it and not leave it unused? I want to have that ESP partition and the rest of the disk be encrypted (and use LVM inside the encrypted volume)
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• 1565[15:31:07] <Habbie> fr33domlover, if you try hard, i'm sure you could win a megabyte or two on your whole disk, but i would not bother
• 1566[15:31:15] <Habbie> fr33domlover, and if you encrypt the ESP, it will be very hard to boot your system
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• 1569[15:32:13] <fr33domlover> Habbie, not encrypting the ESP, but encrypting the rest of the disk (well, excluding that free 1mb at the beginning). I mean I'm just wondering whether to manually leave 334.5kb free at the end or not ^_^
• 1570[15:32:29] <Habbie> fr33domlover, i recommend leaving the 344.5kb free if that is what the partitioner defaults to
• 1571[15:33:10] <Abdullah> I have an encrypted luks container on lvm, and its broken.
• 1572[15:33:37] <Abdullah> How can I have initramfs and cryptab settings purged?
• 1573[15:33:38] <HorrorBoy> use cryFS
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• 1575[15:34:22] <Abdullah> Habbie: Encryping ESP is possible if you wnana use grub.
• 1576[15:34:30] <Abdullah> grub can decrypt them.
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• 1578[15:34:44] <Habbie> Abdullah, cool, even if you want to boot something else, like windows?
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• 1581[15:35:09] <rudi_s> No.
• 1582[15:35:14] <Habbie> ah
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• 1584[15:35:22] <Abdullah> I don't use more than one OS in one system.
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• 1588[15:37:14] <fr33domlover> Hmmm the installer made an ext2 partition mounted to /boot in addition to the ESP partition
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• 1591[15:37:34] <Abdullah> installed does that.
• 1592[15:37:35] <fr33domlover> Is that needed? (did it make that to allow booting on bios?)
• 1593[15:38:13] <Abdullah> nah, it made that because ESP is vfat and dpkg can't write (symlink) to it.
• 1594[15:38:17] <fr33domlover> (Ah I guess it made that so that the kernel isn't encrypted)
• 1595[15:38:31] <Abdullah> so ESP would be mounted at /boot/efi
• 1596[15:38:32] <fr33domlover> hmm i see
• 1597[15:38:40] <Abdullah> while /boot is your ext2 part
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• 1605[15:43:24] <rudi_s> fr33domlover: And you need an unencrypted /boot even if the remaining system is encrypted.
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• 1608[15:43:42] <rudi_s> (There are some tricks with grub performing the decryption but the effect is the same. The initial boot code must be unencrypted.)
• 1609[15:44:17] <warsoul> im trying to install debian on a pc with windows im booting from a usb but install is not running
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• 1625[15:53:06] <Abdullah> You can use a USB to decrypt
• 1626[15:53:18] <Abdullah> dpkg firmware
• 1627[15:53:18] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
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• 1630[15:54:11] <rudi_s> warsoul: What issues do you have?
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• 1633[15:54:26] <rudi_s> Abdullah: Sure, but you still must trust the computer (hardware) itself.
• 1634[15:55:01] <warsoul> rudi_s i download the iso image write it to a usb stick
• 1635[15:55:04] <warsoul> boot
• 1636[15:55:11] <warsoul> bot is not coming up the installer
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• 1638[15:55:37] <rudi_s> warsoul: Did you configure your BIOS to boot from the USB stick?
• 1639[15:55:43] <warsoul> yes
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• 1650[16:05:05] <magic_ninja> warsoul, what instructions did you follow to write it to the usb stick?
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• 1653[16:05:31] * dvs waits for the 'u' word
• 1654[16:06:56] <magic_ninja> what is the 'u' word?
• 1655[16:07:08] <dvs> !unetbootin
• 1656[16:07:08] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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• 1661[16:09:11] <magic_ninja> I think it is pretty much extinct lol
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• 1664[16:09:44] <magic_ninja> I think last night they mentioned that they had downloaded the ISO and just copied it to the usb driver.
• 1665[16:09:46] <magic_ninja> *drive
• 1666[16:10:19] <dvs> but they didn't mention how
• 1667[16:10:32] <magic_ninja> But, if in the course of 14 hours you can't do a bit of research on how to do that jazz, with all of the resources and tutorials available today, they just might have a hard time on any linux distro and probably need to get some computer training.
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• 1670[16:11:47] <magic_ninja> Is it acceptable to ask about GNU utilities here?
• 1671[16:11:54] <magic_ninja> sed, grep, awk, etc
• 1672[16:12:22] <dvs> I don't see why not. It's included in Debian.
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• 1674[16:13:02] <abrotman> mind you, many have their own channel, and there is #bash as well
• 1675[16:14:12] <guest278776> whats the best way to have a muliple os usb boot stick, with 4 or 5 operating systems on it? any tips or links to a guide on partitioning in that scenario would be great too, thx
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• 1677[16:14:36] <dvs> ouch!
• 1678[16:14:59] <dvs> That must be one huge USB stick
• 1679[16:15:05] <alkisg> guest278776: are you talking about booting live .isos etc, or about installing operating systems to the usb stick?
• 1680[16:15:20] <guest278776> yeah huge usb sticks are very cheap and common for 64-128gb
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• 1682[16:15:51] <dvs> that's not huge to me. 512GB
• 1683[16:15:52] <alkisg> And slow and break too often to have 5 OSes (i.e. investing a lot of hour) break at once :D
• 1684[16:15:57] <guest278776> yep i stick it into my laptop and have a choice of 5operating systems i can just boot whichever i choose to, like a selection menu
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• 1688[16:16:40] <alkisg> guest278776: then just create an MBR stick with a vfat partition first to be bootable under both uefi and bios; and an extended partition with as many logical partitions for the OSes as you want
• 1689[16:16:43] <magic_ninja> Eh, I'm wondering about basic syntax of sed at the moment. I'm not seeing how to differentiate between a script and a regex expression.
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• 1692[16:17:06] <guest278776> any way to do this, i thought many people would do it, ie have a different distro for different things all on one usb stick
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• 1696[16:17:42] * alkisg uses VMs for that; no need for meto have different distributions in bare metal...
• 1697[16:17:44] <guest278776> thankyou alkisg i will look it all up
• 1698[16:17:47] <magic_ninja> yea, but it is kind of a pain
• 1699[16:18:01] <magic_ninja> You can actually boot an ISO file from grub
• 1700[16:18:53] <guest278776> are you talking about multiboot usb magic or no?
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• 1702[16:19:48] <magic_ninja> Pretty much. You can set up grub to give you a menu to load the different live ISO's you want to load. You then boot to grub and select which live ISO you want to use.
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• 1706[16:20:37] <magic_ninja> I did it once but I can't find my tutorial on it. It was somewhere on the ubuntu forums. Basically, I had installers for several linux distributions, x32 and x64 bit windows 7 installers, and I think vista too.
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• 1708[16:20:58] <magic_ninja> All on one hard disk. Then I used grub to select which ones to load.
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• 1718[16:25:34] <tdn> I have dumped an image of some partitions on a machine using 'dd'. I want to be able to safely recover any partition if need be. And also re-create them all including the partition table/MBR if need be. How do I save the GPT and MBR? And will GRUB continue to work when recovered? (Note: I do not want to image the entire disk. I want separate images)
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• 1720[16:26:23] <Txongoku> clonezilla?
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• 1724[16:28:12] <Txongoku> try clonezilla real machine Vs a virtual machine to see is everything works ok
• 1725[16:28:43] <tdn> Txongoku, ok. How do I dump the GPT?
• 1726[16:28:43] <magic_ninja> +1 for clonezilla
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• 1728[16:28:52] <magic_ninja> tdn, clonezilla will take care of it
• 1729[16:29:13] <dvs> +1 for Clonezilla
• 1730[16:29:34] <magic_ninja> You will need a drive (external usb, in the computer, etc) to store your repository, and take your time. Read the instructions it comes with CAREFULLY. but it does a great job.
• 1731[16:30:16] <magic_ninja> I have a complicated partition schema on my laptop and used it to test a few other distros and was easily able to restore it in a few minutes before I started work for the day.
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• 1733[16:31:24] <Txongoku> there are 500gb ssd for 50$ like patriot p200.. better to do a full clone to ssd ;)
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• 1745[16:37:33] <warsoul> installed debian all ready
• 1746[16:37:40] <warsoul> but wifi connections is not working
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• 1755[16:41:29] <dvs> warsoul, what WiFi chipset do you have?
• 1756[16:41:46] <warsoul> dont know
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• 1761[16:44:27] <alkisg> Oh fun. I installed buster using the mate-live-non-free iso. The installer, calamares, didn't even ask for a root password. After installation I had some keyboard layout issues, so I went from grub to the recovery console.
• 1762[16:44:27] <alkisg> ...and the recovery console won't work because there's no root password :/
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• 1766[16:45:49] <magic_ninja> warsoul, can you connect it via wired first, then get wireless set up?
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• 1768[16:46:46] <tdn> magic_ninja, I want to use my dumps made by 'dd'.
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• 1772[16:48:51] <magic_ninja> good luck
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• 1774[16:48:56] <magic_ninja> I've no clue how
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• 1777[16:50:00] <alkisg> tdn: you would use a partition manager to create a partition with the exact size of the one you saved with dd; that then would be bootable under UEFI/GPT, but not under BIOS/MBR, as you'd need the MBR code there too
• 1778[16:50:18] <alkisg> tdn: clonezilla also offers partimage, which is a much easier way to save/restore partitions
• 1779[16:50:36] <mallxs> How do i store a 'server fingerprint' for user Debian-+ ?
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• 1786[16:54:55] <mallxs> that is if Debian-+ is the client ?
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• 1793[16:56:17] <bigMouthCommie> debian 9, python-pip throws an error any time it is called
• 1794[16:56:58] <bigMouthCommie> File "/usr/bin/pip", line 9, in <module>
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• 1797[16:59:07] <han-solo> bigMouthCommie: paste the full traceback and how you ran it in some sane pastbin
• 1798[16:59:10] <bigMouthCommie> replaced-url
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• 1801[17:02:09] <han-solo> Shouldn't talk about the same thing in both places, i guess :)
• 1802[17:02:15] <han-solo> We'll sort it out in the other side
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• 1846[17:17:32] <Nick8907509> Hi, all. Hope you are fine. I have problems with my dvd drive during installation process of Buster. During the step in which the present dvds are read in for sources.list (i assume) if difficulties getting the drive open up to the point, where I cant open it anymore (with the third dvd of the set). Tried to find some hint in the net, but in vain.
• 1847[17:18:03] <Nick8907509> Ooops: if -> i've
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• 1849[17:18:36] <LtL> Nick8907509: you only need dvd1 + connectivity and you're golden.
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• 1851[17:20:46] <Nick8907509> LtL: Thank you. I already know that, but my connection is very slow (downloaded dvds during some nights). I appreciate your answer, but would however prefer a solution using that dvds.
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• 1854[17:22:40] <LtL> Nick8907509: try eject -h from a terminal
• 1855[17:23:10] <Nick8907509> Please llow me to tell you ... funny
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• 1857[17:23:33] <alkisg> Meh. I had to remove ibus, fcitx, im-config and then the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf, generated by localectl (?), to get the keyboard working... meh indeed :/
• 1858[17:23:38] <Nick8907509> I where about to ask, how i could open a terminal inside the installation process.
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• 1861[17:24:10] <Nick8907509> Ltl: Sorry. Meant you with my last two ansers.
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• 1863[17:24:20] <Nick8907509> answers
• 1864[17:24:46] <Nick8907509> Is it still Alt-F4?
• 1865[17:25:49] <LtL> ctrl+alt Fn i think, where Fn can be 1 through 7 function keys.
• 1866[17:26:06] <LtL> f7 would X
• 1867[17:26:36] <LtL> not sure if that works from the installer, never had that problem
• 1868[17:28:26] <Habbie> in my vague recollection, f2 or f3 works for that, the others might not
• 1869[17:28:32] <Habbie> but it's been a while
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• 1871[17:28:46] <Habbie> also, in my experience ctrl-alt works in both console and X11, so it's always the good advice to give
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• 1873[17:29:07] <Nick8907509> Ltl: Uh. Hope that remains for you. - It was a problem with the first dvds too. Managed only by repeatedly pressing "contine" (in order to signal the installer ive changed the disk) and pressing the drives eject button during ... how to say? ... running up.
• 1874[17:29:26] <Nick8907509> Ltl: However. Will try CTRL-ALT. Thank you.
• 1875[17:29:46] <LtL> Nick8907509: try left altf4
• 1876[17:30:08] <LtL> try left alt+f4 NetTerminalGene sorry.
• 1877[17:30:24] <Nick8907509> LtL: Will consider that too. Thank you again.
• 1878[17:30:37] <Nick8907509> taking some notes ...
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• 1882[17:32:35] <LtL> Nick8907509: if you get a terminal, 'eject -r' may eject the cdrom drive
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• 1887[17:35:27] <Nick8907509> LtL: Yeah. Read the man page, already. But was unsure wether this is something pathological. Thank you very much and thank you all for reading.
• 1888[17:35:56] <Nick8907509> Bye Have a nice day (or night, whichever) :-)
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• 1890[17:36:39] <LtL> Nick8907509: best of luck.
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• 2001[19:08:45] <NetTerminalGene> guys how can i reverse this command? curl -s replaced-url
• 2002[19:09:18] <NetTerminalGene> man page says use "del" for delete key. should i just replace "add" to "del"?
• 2003[19:09:30] <NetTerminalGene> what is "-" in the end?
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• 2013[19:17:18] <jhutchins> Well that's a little strange. I thought I had the tap-to-click fixed on this laptop, and the synaptic package is not here, but it's not working again. (stretch and buster use the standard input drivers instead of synaptic).
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• 2017[19:19:45] <NetTerminalGene> ok. i figured it out
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• 2021[19:21:09] <NetTerminalGene> what does this command do? "source /etc/os-release"
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• 2025[19:22:16] <Nick987249087> LtL: Hi again. I am the one with difficulties during Buster installation ejecting dvds. Your hint helped. :-) Thank you once more.
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• 2031[19:25:29] <LtL> Nick987249087: you're welcome sir
• 2032[19:26:04] <Nick987249087> :-)
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• 2036[19:28:46] <Nick987249087> OK.Bye, bye. Diner is calling. Good times and good luck for all.
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• 2041[19:29:14] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: nothing that i'm aware of
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• 2043[19:29:44] <jhutchins> It will set some environment variables.
• 2044[19:29:59] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: Try cat /etc/os-release to see what's in the file.
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• 2046[19:30:22] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, it has version id etc..
• 2047[19:30:46] <NetTerminalGene> codename
• 2048[19:30:49] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: See how it's KEY=value?
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• 2052[19:31:24] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, like this "VERSION_CODENAME=buster"
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• 2054[19:31:51] <jhutchins> so now echo $VERSION_CODENAME
• 2055[19:32:17] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, what?
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• 2057[19:33:22] <NetTerminalGene> i executed "source /etc/os-release" command when installing brave browser
• 2058[19:33:27] <NetTerminalGene> but i don't know why
• 2059[19:33:34] <NetTerminalGene> i followed instructions
• 2060[19:34:00] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: Try it. "echo $VERSION_CODENAME
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• 2062[19:34:24] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, output is empty
• 2063[19:34:31] <jhutchins> Interesting.
• 2064[19:34:46] <jhutchins> Are you in the same shell?
• 2065[19:34:49] <NetTerminalGene> i hope i didn't break my debian with your command
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• 2067[19:35:18] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, dunno
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• 2069[19:35:33] <jhutchins> echo just prints out what you specify. If it's a variable, it expands the variable (and prints it's value).
• 2070[19:35:53] <jhutchins> What the source command did was read the file and set the variables defined there in that shell.
• 2071[19:36:11] <NetTerminalGene> it's not a problem then, right?
• 2072[19:36:21] <NetTerminalGene> i don't have to do anything?
• 2073[19:36:38] <jhutchins> Right. It made those variable available in that shell, but not in others.
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• 2075[19:37:22] <la_mettrie> spotify (web version) says my firefox is too old, but buster's backports repository has no more recent firefox!
• 2076[19:37:42] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: You should play around with the echo command. It's useful to get output and status from a script. You can also pipe it to other things like echo "hello world" > file
• 2077[19:38:03] <jhutchins> That will create file (if necessary) and replace the contents with "hello world".
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• 2079[19:38:52] <NetTerminalGene> i rather not play
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• 2081[19:39:06] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: Study then.
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• 2083[19:39:51] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: You also probably shouldn't run curl commands that pipe the output into something you're not sure of.
• 2084[19:40:21] <NetTerminalGene> ok
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• 2086[19:41:03] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, how does signing key work? every debian package maintainer have their own key?
• 2087[19:41:14] <NetTerminalGene> and they sign packages?
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• 2089[19:41:36] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: More like every project. Most maintainers will have at least one key of their own.
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• 2094[19:43:08] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: replaced-url
• 2095[19:43:36] <NetTerminalGene> thanks
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• 2099[19:45:59] <NetTerminalGene> "Further, most official Debian package files from the publicly accessible repositories do not have GPG signatures. The official repository metadata is GPG signed, as are the source packages, but the .deb packages themselves are not."
• 2100[19:46:01] <NetTerminalGene> :O
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• 2105[19:48:37] <NetTerminalGene> i installed brave browser from their repo and it disturbs me now
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• 2116[19:52:37] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, do you use firefox-esr?
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• 2127[19:59:25] <NetTerminalGene> what if hackers steal firefox maintainer's key and replace the firefox with a malicious firefox?
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• 2131[20:00:02] <la_mettrie> *cracker
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• 2143[20:06:13] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: That's one reason the key signs the metadata, which includes the package checksum.
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• 2147[20:06:43] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: No, I use chrome and chromium.
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• 2149[20:07:05] <NetTerminalGene> :O
• 2150[20:07:18] <NetTerminalGene> have fun with google!
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• 2152[20:08:09] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, sites can know if you use private mode with chrome
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• 2155[20:09:06] <jhutchins> wOOOO! ScaAAAAaAry.
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• 2157[20:09:33] <jhutchins> Since I don't have any use for private mode, I really don't care.
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• 2160[20:10:08] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, how about porn?
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• 2162[20:11:36] <jhutchins> I've been on the 'net since 1992. I'm pretty sure most of my information is out there. My current phone number and address were published in something called a "phone book" until about a year ago.
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• 2165[20:12:35] <NetTerminalGene> but your family doesn't know
• 2166[20:12:46] <NetTerminalGene> or people close to you
• 2167[20:12:46] <jhutchins> My contact info is on the registrations for domains I maintain because I learned that it was irresponsible not to take responsibility for your work.
• 2168[20:14:52] <annadane> i support firefox/mozilla for ideological reasons (though they're getting a bit caddish with their recent policies) but more than that, if google wants to neuter adblockers... i'm not touching chrome/chromium
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• 2170[20:15:49] <NetTerminalGene> annadane, brave browser won't do that
• 2171[20:16:01] <jhutchins> Google may make the headlines. That just means you don't know what the other companies are doing.
• 2172[20:16:08] <annadane> ^ this
• 2173[20:16:31] <jhutchins> I've worked with firefox since it was mosaic. It still has at least one bug in it's history code that I reported back then.
• 2174[20:17:52] <annadane> if you read r/privacy you'd think the world is a lot more black and white than it is... i've gotten maybe a bit less paranoid about how companies use data
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• 2176[20:18:00] <annadane> especially those in the public eye being scrutinized
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• 2182[20:21:05] <annadane> it does happen but it's not worth losing sleep over unless you're a whistleblower type
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• 2185[20:21:21] <annadane> that
• 2186[20:21:23] <annadane> that's just me
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• 2188[20:21:49] <OS-55772> hello
• 2189[20:22:22] <annadane> especially how i've come to understand it's not just one or two bad companies and everybody else is innocent
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• 2193[20:24:29] <annadane> concerning brave specifically... i've heard some pretty bad things about it so i'd be cautious before putting all your trust in brave
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• 2195[20:25:41] <jhutchins> !kali
• 2196[20:25:41] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 2198[20:26:07] <_Cute_Kitty_> nice
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• 2200[20:26:20] <annadane> i think privacy concerns are real and we should support open source and open standards but people who get introduced to open source for the first time tend to get very idealistic and think everything is this way or that way and will tell everyone they know to follow The One True Path
• 2201[20:26:29] <annadane> which isn't even necessarily wrong but just something to look out for
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• 2205[20:26:34] <_Cute_Kitty_> you jumped right on that one hutchins
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• 2209[20:27:17] <jhutchins> If you know how the internet works, you know that nothing you put on the internet is private.
• 2210[20:27:30] <_Cute_Kitty_> and if you don't know how the internet works?
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• 2212[20:27:45] <jhutchins> _Cute_Kitty_: Then you may not realize that.
• 2213[20:27:48] <NetTerminalGene> annadane, brave browser has the best privacy policy than other chromium based browsers
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• 2215[20:28:15] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: THat must be why it's so well known and supported.
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• 2217[20:29:13] <NetTerminalGene> jhutchins, what do you mean?
• 2218[20:29:25] <NetTerminalGene> is that a satire?
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• 2221[20:29:49] <_Cute_Kitty_> lol it's more or less common sense
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• 2223[20:30:11] <jhutchins> Sorry, I just get impatient with the endless stream of blind paranoia. Carry on.
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• 2227[20:30:47] <pie33> how to convert signed binary to decimal using wolframalpha or you know any other tool?
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• 2235[20:44:37] <w1d3m0d3> is using dpkg-deb -b directly a bad way to build packages? because the dh_make, dpkg-buildpkg method seems more convoluted
• 2236[20:44:53] <w1d3m0d3> at least I couldn't find a page describing it well
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• 2238[20:45:37] <_Cute_Kitty_> what about ./make
• 2239[20:45:39] <_Cute_Kitty_> and ./install
• 2240[20:46:37] <Bushmills> pie, bc
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• 2253[20:53:32] <cbthree> How can i type the euro and the pound symbols on a Chromebook US keyboard?
• 2254[20:53:34] <cbthree> right ALT is set as the compose key
• 2255[20:54:24] <jhutchins> cbthree: What desktop are you running?
• 2256[20:54:30] <cbthree> when i say pound i mean the currency symbol
• 2257[20:54:30] <jelly> cbthree: press Compose, release, press =, release, press e, release
• 2258[20:54:33] <cbthree> MATE
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• 2263[20:55:46] <cbthree> jelly, thanks and what about the pound?
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• 2265[20:56:15] <jelly> dunno, Compose = L maybe?
• 2266[20:56:28] <jelly> or = l (lowercase)
• 2267[20:56:48] <jelly> again type each key separately
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• 2270[20:58:38] <jelly> Compose = L seems to make a ₤ here which is different from the usual £ (generated by Compose = l or Compose L = or Compose l =)
• 2271[20:58:54] <cbthree> i got the £ by pressing Compose - l
• 2272[20:58:59] <cbthree> jelly, thanks
• 2273[20:59:40] <jhutchins> cbthree: Sounds like you've got the hang of it.
• 2274[20:59:58] <cbthree> jelly, bear in mind that i have a chromebook which features a funny keyboard layout
• 2275[21:00:05] * jelly ♥ Compose
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• 2283[21:01:40] <cbthree> Has anyone here who owns a Samsung Chromebook 3 (CELES) managed to get its microsd slot working? If you insert a card before boot, that card shows up and works fine. However, if you insert the card *after* you boot it is not recognized
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• 2299[21:06:43] <LtL> cbthree: read dmesg after you insert it, then mount it manually. -or- edit grub boot menu and omit 'quiet' when you boot with it in, see whats happening.
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• 2303[21:10:09] <cbthree> i believe i am facing *on buster* the issue as follows : replaced-url
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• 2305[21:11:03] <jhutchins> cbthree: LtL's advice is good.
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• 2307[21:12:26] <EdePopede> jelly: looks like UC representation of British Pound vs. Lira
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• 2309[21:13:31] <humpled> wot
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• 2311[21:13:59] <cbthree> if i insert the card *after* boot, dmesg does not say anything about it whenever i insert/remove it
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• 2315[21:14:40] <cbthree> mount /dev/sda /mnt says mount: /mnt: special device /dev/sda does not exist
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• 2317[21:14:54] <cbthree> /dev/sda is my sdcard by the way
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• 2321[21:15:22] <jhutchins> cbthree: What's your hard drive?
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• 2323[21:16:18] <cbthree> jhutchins, /dev/mmcblk0
• 2324[21:17:01] <jhutchins> Interesting. I might expect sra instead of sda (r for removable)
• 2325[21:17:22] <humpled> isn't that the wrong way around?
• 2326[21:17:33] <cbthree> humpled, no
• 2327[21:17:47] <humpled> the hard drive should be sda and the sd card mmcblk
• 2328[21:17:52] <jhutchins> humpled: Non-standard architecture.
• 2329[21:17:57] <humpled> okay
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• 2331[21:18:58] <cbthree> jhutchins, my hard drive is a *built-in* 16 GB emmc device
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• 2334[21:19:32] <jhutchins> As I understand it, the local storage is used as a cache for Google Drive.
• 2335[21:19:49] <jhutchins> Not sure that's true if not running chromeos.
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• 2339[21:20:52] <Habbie> jhutchins, since chromeos started shipping android support, there's a lot more on the local storage than just google drive caching
• 2340[21:20:58] <Habbie> jhutchins, but i trust none of that matters when booting debian on it
• 2341[21:21:03] <cbthree> mmcblk0: mmc0:0001 DF4016 14.7 GiB (advertised size is 16GB)
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• 2343[21:22:00] <cbthree> jhutchins, everything works fine except for the internal microphone and the scard *after* boot
• 2344[21:22:19] <jhutchins> Habbie: Architecture has varied a lot.
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• 2347[21:23:11] <cbthree> As for the kernel: Linux version 4.19.0-5-amd64 (debian-kernel@replaced-ip) (gcc version 8.3.0 (Debian 8.3.0-6)) #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u2 (2019-08-08)
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• 2349[21:25:07] <cbthree> i've been told by MrChromebox himself that the two issues i mentioned are not bios related
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• 2351[21:25:54] <cbthree> i've been told some people have managed to overcome the issues by installing kernel 5.2.x
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• 2354[21:26:59] <cbthree> cbthree, the problem is that kernel 5.2.x is not even in backports
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• 2374[21:36:54] <LtL> cbthree: this is a lot of work but you could compile 5.0 and patch to 5.2 from kernel.org. take a read, replaced-url
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• 2376[21:37:25] <cbthree> LtL, not a newbie friendly task
• 2377[21:37:54] <LtL> cbthree: not very, no.
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• 2379[21:38:52] <cbthree> i ardly compile things from source, i prefer deb packages since they are easier to install, upgrade, remove, etc
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• 2385[21:40:39] <LtL> cbthree: very true, pre-compiled binaries rock but when you need a ircd, or eggdrop, other stuff.. compiling is pretty easy, configuring not so much.
• 2386[21:41:20] <cbthree> ... and updating is not easier either
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• 2389[21:42:00] <LtL> cbthree: well, atleast your sdcard mounts on boot, thats something.
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• 2392[21:42:35] <cbthree> LtL, gotta go. thanks
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• 2394[21:42:49] <LtL> cbthree: bye :)
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• 2457[22:22:07] <SWAT> what's the correct way to get a package updated? Is it preferable to contact the maintainer directly? (a very old version of a package is available within Debian, although newer versions with bugfixes are available for a long time already and I want to get this fixed).
• 2458[22:22:38] <annadane> SWAT, packages in stable tend not to get updated without reason
• 2459[22:22:49] <annadane> in what suite is the package? stable or testing/unstable?
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• 2464[22:23:54] <annadane> and which package, by the way
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• 2469[22:24:27] <touki> Hi. I just installed buster (classifc graphical install via DVD1). A bunch of non-required packages seems to have been installed, like "Thai X Terminal", any idea?
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• 2471[22:24:35] <touki> is it normal?
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• 2487[22:32:17] <logan_> Hey guys
• 2488[22:33:29] <LtL> touki: seems I have that also, never used it didn't know it was there.
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• 2491[22:35:29] <logan_> Hey so I have a laptop with a wifi card that uses the iwlwifi kernel driver, but for some reason I can't use it on anything on debian. I can't see wifi networks in NetworkManager and in 'ip link show' my adapter does not appear
• 2492[22:35:43] <logan_> I have used multiple other distros and it has worked
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• 2494[22:37:15] <Bushmills> logan_: you may in addition need the firmware-iwlwifi package
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• 2498[22:37:40] <logan_> Ok I will install and reboot
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• 2524[22:49:21] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i'm trying to install the driver for my graphic display from the source from replaced-url
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• 2526[22:50:23] <rocketmagnet> it worked with the last version but now i've debian buster and it doesn't work - here is the error log: replaced-url
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• 2529[22:53:05] <Bushmills> appears to have been successful. No errors in log
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• 2546[23:01:32] <apostolis> I updated to buster and it introduced a keybing that changes the language (Alt + shift), is there a way to remove it? I use the dwm window manager, that needs it.
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• 2551[23:04:13] <annadane> that's weird. dwm is generally compiled and not installed via apt so i wonder where debian introdcued the change...
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• 2553[23:04:51] <apostolis> I think the system introduced the keybinding on top of the other.
• 2554[23:05:11] <apostolis> And only one is triggered. That is my guess.
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• 2563[23:10:49] <rocketmagnet> Bushmills: Warning: modules_install: missing 'System.map' file. Skipping depmod.
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• 2584[23:16:04] <rocketmagnet> Bushmills: ah i see - the logs i posted didn't included stderr
• 2585[23:16:09] <rocketmagnet> i used pastebinit
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• 2602[23:23:29] <kreyren> replaced-url
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• 2606[23:27:42] <apostolis> I was correct. I changed "/etc/defaults/keyboard" to remove the binding and rebooted to fix the issue.
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• 2632[23:48:34] <ilikeyou> Hi. strangely my bluetooth controller not being recognized in Buster. Hon Hai. Plugged in a dongle to see if that would work (CSR8510), and it works. the CSR uses btusb driver. the hon hai is not listing a use driver. shows up in lshw, but not in hciconfig or bluetoothctl.
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• 2638[23:51:02] <ilikeyou> shows capability for honhai is bluetooth 1.1 and the csr 2.0. maybe support is being phased out?
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• 2642[23:53:27] <ilikeyou> using the 4.19.0.5 kernel...
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