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• 3[00:03:18] <trebor_home> the only error i see (while poweroff): snd_hda_codec_realtec hdaudioc1d0: out of range cmd 0:20:400:FFFFFFFF, unable to sync register ... can this cause systemd not to poweroff completely?
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• 21[00:16:39] <DracoSentien> trebor_home: I dunno I am new to systemd but if systemd hangs on codec not syncing in like a codec unable to sync in a cpu register or is causing it then Poettering is mentally retarded
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• 37[00:25:10] <trebor_home> as it is always, my computers are working like a charm with debian, the one for my wife does not poweroff correctly ... after hours of searching the web, i still do not have a clue where the problem is.... (amdgpu? acpi? ...). older versions of debian show the same problem, too (even ubuntu19). if someone has a hint what to look for, i would be very glad ; )
• 38[00:25:19] <swift110> sup
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• 41[00:25:36] <swift110> how much different is Bunsenlabs versus Debian?
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• 43[00:26:22] <trebor_home> neither poweroff, suspend or hibernate work.
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• 49[00:27:04] <Habbie> swift110, you should ask them, but a quick glance at the bunsenlabs frontpage appears to answer the question
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• 80[00:45:47] <cybercrypto> trebor_home: what is the problem really?
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• 83[00:47:13] <swift110> ok Habbie I would but their channel isn't active
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• 86[00:47:50] <uio> Hi, using Deja-dup and trying to back up just ~/Documents, so I entered ~/Documents in the 'folders to save' part. But when the backup starts it starts backing up stuff I didn't say to backup ! Like my ~/.Archives folder. To avoid this I had to add everything in ~/ to the 'don't back up list' except Documents. I don't get what is going on. Why do I have to specify what to not back up? Is this broken?
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• 88[00:48:35] <Habbie> swift110, i don't want to say bad things about anybody but a community that looks dead is not what i would run as my OS usually
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• 91[00:49:45] <swift110> Habbie, you make a good point actually
• 92[00:49:57] <uio> Also, running that backup got my temps up to 93°C! Is that a problem? They're back to a sane 50°C now.
• 93[00:50:29] <uio> Fan was at 4275 Tr/mn
• 94[00:50:58] <uio> Smells like hot computer now.
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• 96[00:51:32] <swift110> Habbie, I suppose Debian with Openbox and conky would give me what I want
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• 100[00:52:10] <uio> swift110, Sorry, got here late, what OS are you talking about?
• 101[00:52:27] <Habbie> uio, bunsenlabs
• 102[00:52:55] <Habbie> swift110, perhaps!
• 103[00:53:12] <uio> Habbie, Oh, it looks great!
• 104[00:53:26] <uio> They have active forums I think.
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• 108[00:53:43] <uio> I totally thought about using it.
• 109[00:53:52] <uio> But am bad with config files.
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• 111[00:54:32] <uio> Take a look here: replaced-url
• 112[00:54:42] <humpled> initially when i tried debian+openbox, it took a lot of time to tweak up something half as nice
• 113[00:55:02] <uio> Debian happens to have an active IRC. I don't think that all OS's are like that though.
• 114[00:55:21] <uio> And I don't think that an inactive IRC = inactive OS
• 115[00:55:25] <humpled> i might run the bunsen netinstall thing if it's still around
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• 120[00:57:13] <uio> I think BL looks very alive!
• 121[00:57:32] <swift110> Habbie, so I am looking for a 64 bit debian image
• 122[00:57:38] <swift110> this is pretty confusing
• 123[00:58:24] <trebor_home> cybercrypto: i try to poweroff/suspend/hibernate(/resume) on a laptop (hp). i installed debian10(nonfree, amd64) on it, did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. everytime i try to poweroff, the laptop tries to shutdonwn, but stays powered - only way to poweroff is now to use the button and press it for 5 secs.
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• 127[00:59:27] <trebor_home> i tried grub-config modifications (acpi=strong, resume=UUID=....), with no luck
• 128[00:59:36] <uio> swift110, Totally go for Debian if you want, but do note that replaced-url
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• 131[01:00:39] <trebor_home> i tried to poweroff via cmdline (grub, bash (su)), via kde, via login-screen -> no luck
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• 134[01:01:31] <swift110> uio, ok thanks I am not really a forum person as I prefer the interaction of irc
• 135[01:01:44] <uio> Oh, I just figured out my issue! Silly me! I had 'personal folder' in the list to back up! Anyway.
• 136[01:01:48] <trebor_home> i looked into /var/log/messages for hints, but nothing led to findings in the web
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• 138[01:02:12] <uio> swift110, That's cool. I mean BL is just a repackaged Debian from what I've gathered.
• 139[01:02:52] <uio> Is like three minutes of 93°C worrisome?
• 140[01:02:58] <trebor_home> (amdgpu, snd_hda_codec_realtec, acpi, ...)
• 141[01:03:06] <Habbie> uio, thanks for the forum pointer
• 142[01:03:53] <uio> Habbie, I had to try to defend them :) I admire that OS though I've never used it!
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• 144[01:04:11] <swift110> yes
• 145[01:04:18] <trebor_home> what would be the proper forum to post such problems (linux.debian.user, ...)?
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• 148[01:04:32] <uio> trebor_home, Have you tried sudo poweroff?
• 149[01:04:41] <trebor_home> uio: yes
• 150[01:05:03] <trebor_home> uio: poweroff, poweroff -f
• 151[01:05:21] <uio> trebor_home, Hmmmmm. sudo halt?
• 152[01:05:40] <trebor_home> uio: no, wait a sec, trying....
• 153[01:05:56] <uio> trebor_home, Sorry, I actually don't know, I should stop trying to help! sorry
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• 156[01:07:41] <uio> If I want to have two backups, what would be the best way to do so? Could I déja-dup to a usb and then unison sync two usbs?
• 157[01:08:07] <uio> trebor_home, Any luck?
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• 161[01:09:36] <trebor_home> hm, i am not sure. display got black, but i had no luck starting the laptop. had to hold the po-button for 5 secs and then press it again to start the machine
• 162[01:11:31] <trebor_home> sudo halt does not seem to work properly, too
• 163[01:11:52] <trebor_home> uio: no, does not shut down the machine
• 164[01:12:24] <uio> trebor_home, Hmmmm. Hopefully some one here will be able to help you. I'm not sure what to do.
• 165[01:12:30] <trebor_home> uio: for your backup-sync: rsync?
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• 167[01:13:03] <uio> trebor_home, I have rsync-phobia because I lost a backup with a poorly written command!
• 168[01:13:46] <ksk> that can kind of happen with any wrong command you type in ;)
• 169[01:14:03] <uio> trebor_home, See this? replaced-url
• 170[01:14:37] <uio> ksk, Right, but especially if it's for backups. $ leafpad is pretty safe :)
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• 172[01:15:04] <Bushmills> trebor_home: a user had a similar problem some months ago - suggestion was to reflash bios to more recent version. Before he did, he simply reset BIOS settings - that helped, henceforth he was able to properly shut down the machine.
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• 175[01:16:08] <uio> How do you people deal with your backups?
• 176[01:16:12] <trebor_home> uio: yes, hours ago ;) - but it is of no help
• 177[01:16:18] <uio> Do you have multiple backup locations?
• 178[01:16:31] <uio> sudo shutdown -h now?
• 179[01:16:38] <ser1> hello im have trouble creating a local server on my network any tips?
• 180[01:16:57] <trebor_home> uio: sudo shutdown -h now, shutdown -f, ...
• 181[01:17:25] <Bushmills> i have a always-on machine, acting as replication server, and a NAS which comes online once every so often, making an incremental backup of the replication server. All machines on the network replicate to that replication server.
• 182[01:17:28] <uio> trebor_home, Oh boy, my Bushmills's idea is good.
• 183[01:17:55] <uio> Bushmills, So you just have one backup?
• 184[01:18:03] <trebor_home> Bushmills: do i need windows for that? or can it be done in linux? (i do not have any windows)
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• 186[01:19:04] <Bushmills> depends what you call backup. I don't call the mirror a backup, I tend to call backup only if it's incremental. So yes, one backup. But in addition the recent state of all systems on the replication server.
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• 188[01:19:23] <uio> Bushmills, Good point.
• 189[01:19:30] <Bushmills> completely Linux based, all of it
• 190[01:19:58] <Bushmills> as replication server, a credit card size SBC with S-ATA connector is used.
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• 192[01:20:13] <uio> I don't have any always-on machines, and don't really trust the cloud (evey with gpg protected files), so I think I'll get something fairly manual going on.
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• 194[01:20:40] <Bushmills> NAS is a el-cheapo Zyxel with two drive bays. Also running Linux
• 195[01:20:59] <Bushmills> process is completely automatic, all aspects of it
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• 197[01:21:56] <uio> Bushmills, Nice set up.
• 198[01:22:11] <uio> What would be the best way with just some usbs?
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• 200[01:22:18] <Bushmills> the SBC is a banana pi 2 (real gigabit ethernet, real S-ATA interface)
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• 202[01:23:09] <uio> Ideally I'd do two, one for home and one at a remote location that I go to with my laptop every now and then, but the two usbs shouldn't really see eachother ever (because that would mean that all three backups are at same location).
• 203[01:23:10] <Bushmills> not the usb bridged inerfaces one sees on some other of these kind of devices
• 204[01:24:00] <Bushmills> software involved for both replication and incremental backup is rsync in both cases
• 205[01:24:27] <uio> Bushmills, But not encrypted then??
• 206[01:25:31] <Bushmills> no encryption, correct. though if I were to use encryption, that's not be part of the backup process, but a matter of disk encryption, transparent to the backup
• 207[01:26:28] <uio> Bushmills, Right, but if you're machine is always on that'd be useless...
• 208[01:26:37] <Bushmills> sensitive files are encrypted already on the backupped machines, and go encrypted into backup
• 209[01:26:44] <uio> This is frustrating: replaced-url
• 210[01:26:52] <uio> No remote backup?!
• 211[01:27:03] <uio> Bushmills, Ah, okay. Cool.
• 212[01:27:08] <rant> How can I figure out what is setting firewall rules on my laptop on startup? I don't have fail2ban or any firewall apps installed.. I have been testing new software for a VPN but I tested that doing iptables -F and iptables -X and restarting that software, and it only adds rules when its enabled then removes them when its disabled.. but there is a long list of things in iptables -L when I first boot
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• 214[01:27:23] <Bushmills> not automatic. well, some remote machines are partly backupped to this setup too.
• 215[01:27:44] <Bushmills> replication is on another part of the building than NAS
• 216[01:28:10] <rant> I'd like to get rid of these rules permanently without doing something rube :D
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• 227[01:32:22] <qid|ydl> is there a "backports" system that goes the other way? getting packages from an older release onto a newer one?
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• 229[01:32:38] <rant> replaced-url
• 230[01:32:49] <uio> qid|ydl, Front ports?
• 231[01:32:52] <qid|ydl> I need a Java 8 JRE on buster but it looks like the only version offered now is Java 11
• 232[01:33:03] <uio> qid|ydl, chestports?
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• 235[01:34:02] <qid|ydl> uio: something about that name sounds wrong, lol
• 236[01:34:52] <qid|ydl> if you google for how to install Java 8 on buster you get tons of articles telling you to rig it up using sid/unstable or ubuntu package sources, i.e. exactly what the debian wiki says to never ever do
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• 239[01:37:49] <Bushmills> debian java8 packages from oldstable or oldoldstable, not sure which ones have java8, function under buster. another user needed java8 too, running buster now, and used the debian packages from previous releases.
• 240[01:38:26] <rant> nm, turns out I did install firewall-config which pulled in firewalld :D
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• 242[01:38:36] <Bushmills> fetched them from debian archive and installed them with dpkg
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• 245[01:39:21] <rant> I forgot I'd installed that when I was testing out easy ways for users to share their network connection
• 246[01:39:41] <rant> turns out network-manager-gnome is probably the easiest way to do that :P
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• 249[01:41:04] <Bushmills> iptables or nft based?
• 250[01:41:07] <rant> you just go to the interface you want to use to connect other machines, goto the IPv4 and IPv6 tabs and set the Method to Shared With Other Computers and viola :D
• 251[01:41:57] <rant> it seems to handle all the dhcp, firewalling, etc.. no need to complicate things
• 252[01:42:17] <Bushmills> for iptables, it's two commands. (or a script with those two lines)
• 253[01:42:48] <Bushmills> the NAT part. no dhcp from that, that's extra
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• 255[01:43:06] <rant> I never saw a need for a firewall on my system.. I used a transparent firewall on my network before.. but for a workstaion, I never realls saw the need
• 256[01:43:10] <Bushmills> would like like replaced-url
• 257[01:43:41] <rant> I only realized something was wrong when I was setting up openvpn and it was connecting but not reaching the VPN addresses
• 258[01:44:18] <Bushmills> (other machines on the net also need to set that machines as their default gateway - this is what would be executed on the machine which shares its connection)
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• 260[01:45:18] <Bushmills> ah, i seem to remember that you weren't able to ping the other end in a p2p openvpn setup
• 261[01:45:29] <rant> yeah, idk the network manager method was simple enough for any user.. I was on wifi, went to the ethernet hit edit, went to IPv4 and IPv6 tabs, under the Method pulldown, selected share with other computers.. and then anything I plugged in was online via dhcp
• 262[01:46:00] <rant> yes, turns out that openvpn issue was all due to the rules firewalld was putting in there
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• 264[01:46:22] <Bushmills> hm. i suggested "firewall" and you said you didn't run any
• 265[01:46:33] <rant> I didn't think I did :D
• 266[01:46:49] <rant> I got a bad habit of testing things for other people on my machine instead of a VM
• 267[01:46:55] <rant> then forgetting I did it
• 268[01:46:56] <uio> What are snapshots in luckybackup?
• 269[01:47:48] <uio> are they like the base for the incremental?
• 270[01:47:55] <Bushmills> that's the result of leaving it to "automatic" processes doing stuff for you :)
• 271[01:48:02] <rant> one of these days I'll get more storage on here and have VMs permanently. I keep deleting them cause I dont have the space.. and I found when I kept them on my external I just found it too much of a PITA to pull it out when I needed one
• 272[01:48:13] <Bushmills> they do things, and sometimes without your knowledge
• 273[01:48:28] <rant> I only have a 120GB SSD in this laptop, it isn't much
• 274[01:48:42] <uio> Bushmills, It's asking me to set max snapshots.
• 275[01:48:47] <uio> default is 1.
• 276[01:49:21] <Bushmills> yes, a bit small. I moved my old small one, same size, over to my router - it is rather happy about storage of that size :)
• 277[01:49:37] <rant> I may in the future put in an m.2 SSD and a SATA hdd idk yet.. debating on what I wanna use that 2nd slot for.. a WWAN or SSD
• 278[01:50:00] <Guest57032> ..
• 279[01:50:16] <rant> if a decent open phone comes out I'll probably get one, if not, I will probably get a WWAN card
• 280[01:50:30] <Bushmills> uio, I don't know luckybackup. I can only guess, so I suggest you better consult the docs
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• 283[01:53:19] <rant> i don't even like the sound of luckybackup.. heh
• 284[01:53:37] <rant> sounds like you'd be lucky to have a backup when you need it
• 285[01:53:46] <rant> like your luck might run out
• 286[01:54:15] <Bushmills> luck as in game of chance?
• 287[01:54:27] <rant> yeah, doesn't sound reliable :D
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• 289[01:54:58] <Bushmills> depends on rsync
• 290[01:55:16] <Bushmills> but also on qt libs
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• 295[01:58:55] <qid|ydl> not sure the backup scenario you're working on so maybe this is unrelated, but I've had good luck with rsnapshot
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• 300[02:01:46] <rant> backups are more a matter of planning than luck
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• 302[02:02:38] <uio> I can't figure out if it is incremental or not...
• 303[02:02:40] <rant> relying on luck for backups is for the kinda idiot who saves their stuff to floppies and sticks em to the fridge with a magnet
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• 306[02:04:27] <humpled> looking at this motley crew of cast off hard drives which i'm trying to use for backups
• 307[02:04:31] <humpled> erm,
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• 311[02:07:12] <rant> humpled: replaced-url
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• 314[02:08:12] <humpled> daren't click that while running fdupes on thousands of files
• 315[02:08:28] <Bushmills> humpled: aren't you the one carrying hard disks around all over the place for backups?
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• 317[02:08:54] <humpled> all over what place?
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• 319[02:09:14] <Bushmills> the house. two floors, if i recall correctly
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• 321[02:10:09] <Bushmills> there was mention of "upstairs"
• 322[02:11:37] <humpled> wow iostat has colours now
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• 325[02:14:01] <humpled> iowait in the red zone
• 326[02:14:24] <uio> Okay. I think I'm good: here's what I've done (I know, it's not rsync, but I do what I can...) : deja-dup backs-up Documents to Backup. Then Luckybackup backsup Backups to two usbs. Voilà !
• 327[02:15:00] <uio> Also, files are thus doubly encrypted, once with gpg by deja-dup and once because the usbs are LUKSed.
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• 330[02:16:13] <uio> Here's the command that Lucky issues: rsync -h --progress --stats -r -tgo -p -l -D --update --delete-after /home/user/Backup_deja-dup /media/user/usbusb1/Thinkpad_X61_backup/lucky_backup/ Anything that looks off??
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• 332[02:18:02] <uio> And the second usb : rsync -h --progress --stats -r -tgo -p -l -D --update --delete-after /home/user/Backup_deja-dup /media/user/usbusb2/Thinkpad_X61_backup/lucky_backup/
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• 334[02:19:18] <swift110> hmm
• 335[02:19:29] <swift110> ooh thinkpad. I am on an x60 right now
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• 337[02:19:39] <uio> swift110, Nice!
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• 339[02:19:56] <uio> But the rysnc command isn't insane or counterproductive?
• 340[02:20:11] <uio> Keeping in mind the Deja-dup backcup.
• 341[02:20:29] <uio> Really luck is just there because Deja-Dup only has one backup profile...
• 342[02:20:52] <uio> *lucky
• 343[02:21:36] <swift110> uio, yeah I have a thing for old machines. I have been using this as my daily driver for a few weeks now and it's grwat
• 344[02:21:40] <Schwarzbaer> Hi. I'm on buster. I'm trying to install 10.0 (That is a) buster, b) the current stable, right?) on a notebook. Installation complains about missing firmware, b43/ucode15.fw and b43-open/ucode15.fw. Googling has found solutions, but none are applicable (suggested packages are missing) and I can't a download location for that file. Suggestions?
• 345[02:22:12] <uio> swift110, Gotta love those thinkpads. I love the screen dimensions on the old ones too.
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• 348[02:28:31] <Schwarzbaer> Ooooh, it's hiding in contrib... I think.
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• 350[02:29:34] <filpAM> I don't get yet why thinkpad are popular among some hackers
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• 352[02:30:23] <humpled> all thos ports tho
• 353[02:30:54] <tds> large batteries are nice as well
• 354[02:31:23] <swift110> uio, exactly. I like 4:3 but 16:10 is cool as well
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• 357[02:34:30] <humpled> no silly business with key positioning
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• 362[02:42:20] <LtL> swift110: yes it is, apt search b43
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• 364[02:44:30] <swift110> lol
• 365[02:44:44] <swift110> on 4:3 right now and I love it
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• 367[02:46:15] <LtL> Schwarzbaer: hopefully you're on a wired connection.
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• 369[02:49:42] <Schwarzbaer> LtL, I'm on a second notebook.
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• 376[02:52:04] <jorick> greetings. im trying to install debian over a serial console (/dev/ttyUSB0). and the "curses" output seems to be broken. everything is ending up in one column. how do i remedy this?
• 377[02:53:21] <LtL> Schwarzbaer: the driver needs to be downloaded from the net, you could get the proper package and transfer it. your chipset would help, whhats the output of 'lspci -nn' for the device. we just need the hex id example- [acbd:1234]
• 378[02:55:06] <uio> cheers
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• 384[03:00:30] <Schwarzbaer> Got the .fw file, set up the stick... Now where on it do I copy it?
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• 386[03:02:14] <LtL> Schwarzbaer: I doubt that will work, /lib/firmware probably. broadcom chips need to install from the net using a package and wget
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• 388[03:04:43] <LtL> Schwarzbaer: does your connected notebook run debian?
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• 390[03:07:46] <LtL> Schwarzbaer: what i'm trying to convey is b43 chips need an installer in all cases i've seen and it downloads from broadcom. the chipset id would help getting the proper installer firmware package
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• 393[03:12:42] <LtL> Schwarzbaer: replaced-url
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• 433[03:58:31] <nexgen> hello
• 434[03:59:43] <nexgen> apt-get --print-uris install indicates actual full URL like replaced-url
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• 457[04:30:22] <Abdullah> hibernate to disk not working with secure boot enabled.
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• 463[04:40:56] <ksk> nexgen: take a look at "apt-cache policy $pkg"
• 464[04:41:34] <ksk> iirc "candidate" would be the version the installer would install, and you can see wich repo that version is from a little bit to the bottom
• 465[04:42:05] <ksk> or, "apt-cache policy" only, to get a general sense of whats going to happen
• 466[04:42:20] <ksk> (depends on if you pinned packages manually etc)
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• 550[06:45:15] <ZaZaGX> hi
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• 554[06:48:26] <ZaZaGX> i only say hi when i come in
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• 576[07:07:02] <timur_davletshin> Hi. Just a quick question. Does anybody know which package is needed to make emoji chooser work in fresh buster installation? I get chooser via right click "insert emoji" but it's inactive.
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• 581[07:08:30] <VadPerevad> timur_davletshin, apt search emoji do output anything? :)
• 582[07:09:26] <timur_davletshin> VadPerevad, I have noto emoji font installed.
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• 586[07:12:16] <VadPerevad> timur_davletshin, doesn't this feature depends on DE?
• 587[07:13:15] <timur_davletshin> VadPerevad, It is provided via libgtk3
• 588[07:13:42] <ZaZaGX> what is DE? i keep hearing it
• 589[07:13:53] <timur_davletshin> Gnome
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• 591[07:15:23] <timur_davletshin> Does it work for anyone? Gedit → Right click → Insert emoji. Popup is inactive, emoji search give not result.
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• 593[07:19:15] <ZaZaGX> oh is de stands for desktop?
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• 595[07:20:59] <timur_davletshin> ZaZaGX, Desktop Environment I believe.
• 596[07:21:00] <annadane> Desktop Environment
• 597[07:24:39] <ZaZaGX> ohh
• 598[07:25:01] <ZaZaGX> i miss the old gnome 1.X... is there a fork for that version for debian?
• 599[07:25:26] <VadPerevad> timur_davletshin, i think you should search some extension for gnome
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• 602[07:26:30] <timur_davletshin> VadPerevad, I believe I'm not. This is something what was advertised some time ago to work with any GTK application.
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• 604[07:28:14] <timur_davletshin> VadPerevad, I just want to make sure that I'm not the only one to have this problem, before I file to debian bugs.
• 605[07:28:20] <ZaZaGX> dang, i only see debian gnome 2 for mate
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• 607[07:31:31] <ksk> ZaZaGX: it might be gnome is like 10 years old, and not supported anymore on any sane distribution :X
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• 609[07:31:55] <ksk> either use the up-to-date gnome, or one of the 31337 alternative desktops available in debian.
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• 612[07:32:59] <ZaZaGX> well, i don't mean to use gnome 1.0 from back in the days. i wanted the fork version that is up to date
• 613[07:33:22] <ZaZaGX> it reminds me of old school linux, back in the days.
• 614[07:35:16] <ksk> I dont know anything about desktops in general, but it might be the code of that fork is not the best - how should it, if its based on a 10 year old desktop? :>
• 615[07:35:42] <ZaZaGX> i'm not sure
• 616[07:35:45] <ksk> and if you want oldschool, there are maaany DEs even more oldsql, see fluxbox, openbox, and whatnot :P
• 617[07:36:07] <ksk> also see replaced-url
• 618[07:36:50] <ksk> xfce is okay-ish if you want "minimal desktop" and are coming from the windows world - I would say..
• 619[07:37:10] <ZaZaGX> isn't cimmamon more like modern windows?
• 620[07:37:51] <ksk> you mentioned oldschool... :P I only used xfce for a short amount of time, and then went back to fluxbox ;)
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• 622[07:39:30] <timur_davletshin> fluxbox is a window manager, not DE.
• 623[07:39:38] <ZaZaGX> oh
• 624[07:39:59] <ZaZaGX> maybe debian edu is for me. i'm not sure
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• 626[07:43:00] <ksk> thanks timur_davletshin, no idea what we would be doing without you... ;)
• 627[07:43:50] <ksk> but of course you are right, the article I linked also describes the differences.
• 628[07:44:27] <timur_davletshin> ksk, my pleasure
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• 633[07:52:06] <ZaZaGX> dang, debian edu downloads really slow
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• 635[07:53:23] <timur_davletshin> ZaZaGX, use bittorrent.
• 636[07:54:23] <ZaZaGX> i can't find the BT iso .torrent
• 637[07:55:12] <ksk> replaced-url
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• 649[08:04:20] <timur_davletshin> replaced-url
• 650[08:05:14] <timur_davletshin> ksk, you're right, but it is there right on debian server )))
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• 673[08:26:49] <trebor_home> hi. i have some poweroff/suspend/hibernate/resume problems (as it seems for months) with a laptop (amd-cpu). websearch resulted in hints about kernel problems since 5.04 (replaced-url
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• 686[08:44:48] * HeXiLeD caught the conversation half way and is just going to say.... fluxbox and ncurses for the win. *fist pump*
• 687[08:45:01] <ZaZaGX> oh, why?
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• 694[08:50:36] <ksk> HeXiLeD: apart from stuff that was built with ncurses, do you use it yourself?
• 695[08:53:13] <HeXiLeD> yah both. more than 10y with fluxbox after trying all the big ones.
• 696[08:54:15] <ksk> I like fluxbox. can you give me some example of how some (sysadmin-like) desktop guy can utilize ncurses for his gains? you built like interfaces for scripts or what?
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• 698[08:56:12] <ZaZaGX> hmm, i have never seen fluxbox in person
• 699[08:56:55] <HeXiLeD> yes lots of scripts for lot of stuff since i do sys-admin stuff and then you have many apps already built already. To give you an example check out mc (replaced-url
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• 701[08:57:18] <HeXiLeD> there are a tone of ncurses apps that are great
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• 703[08:58:08] <Nezoriel> Good Morning
• 704[08:58:27] <n0a110w_> Morning
• 705[08:59:06] <ksk> aptitude has an ncurses interfaces also, if I remember correctly.
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• 707[08:59:59] <HeXiLeD> iperf, netperf, iftop, nethogs vnstat, links, elinks, mc, tig hexedit, mutt, abook, moc, ettercap, iptraf (great), iotop, powertop, ytop, htop, wavemon, mps, ion3, wyrd, siege, and so many more
• 708[09:00:33] <HeXiLeD> replaced-url
• 709[09:00:51] <ksk> haha okay thanks. been using some of them already ;)
• 710[09:01:27] <HeXiLeD> so, does my feedback help?
• 711[09:01:58] <HeXiLeD> i which there was a lot more ncurse apps than the ones we know of
• 712[09:02:48] <HeXiLeD> *wish
• 713[09:04:20] <Nezoriel> Maybe any one now a good GTK3+ Mail Client with POP?
• 714[09:05:10] <ksk> HeXiLeD: It certainly refreshed my mind which pieces of software utilize ncurses ;)
• 715[09:05:31] <ksk> Nezoriel: are you sure you want POP3? In most of times you really do not..
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• 717[09:06:25] <Nezoriel> Is okay, i only use my Mails at Home then I can download it and backup it here. :)
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• 719[09:06:51] <ksk> okay, nervermind if you know about the drawbacks :)
• 720[09:09:17] <Nezoriel> I see there no drawback, the Mails are on My own PC and not flying around the replaced-url
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• 725[09:13:44] <ZaZaGX> has anyone tried debian edu?
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• 729[09:17:36] <Bushmills> ZaZaGX: hard to debug, therefore hard to release, if nobody ever did
• 730[09:18:18] <Nezoriel> Thanks ksk :) Have a nice Day.
• 731[09:18:23] <digdilem> Nezoriel, unless your email was generated locally, it was floating around the internet (not the replaced-url
• 732[09:19:31] <ZaZaGX> bushmills, oh. i thought its just debian with more educational apps preinstalled
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• 734[09:20:05] <Bushmills> it's what debian calls a "pure blend" - essentially a different set of preinstalled packages
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• 737[09:21:31] <ZaZaGX> hmm
• 738[09:21:34] <Nezoriel> digdilem, yes this is a Problem when you want to communicate. :D Thanks i am only user and have no plan from IT.
• 739[09:22:19] <Bushmills> but as your question was whether anyone has tried it - that must be the case, or nobody could know whether putting the image together was successful
• 740[09:22:58] <Bushmills> usually things aren't release completely untested
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• 743[09:24:43] <ZaZaGX> well, i hope there is a live cd session i can try out
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• 748[09:27:53] <Bushmills> not yet for buster
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• 798[10:16:32] <darxun> irssi
• 799[10:17:08] <ZaZaGX> you're already in irssi
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• 807[10:22:36] <SerajewelKS> what's the recommended way to enable zswap on debian permanently? kernel parameter, or sysctl.conf?
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• 811[10:26:38] <ratrace> SerajewelKS: there's no sysctl for it afaik, only the kernel param
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• 814[10:30:55] <SerajewelKS> ratrace: oh, right... sysctl is just what's under /proc/sys right?
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• 816[10:31:02] <SerajewelKS> where zswap is under /sys/module/zswap
• 817[10:31:13] <SerajewelKS> i knew that :)
• 818[10:34:12] <rant> I thought there was a package for that now
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• 825[10:34:31] <rant> ,i zram-tools
• 826[10:34:32] <judd> Package zram-tools (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: utilities for working with zram. Version: 0.3.2.1-1; Size: 5.4k; Installed: 28k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 828[10:35:08] <SerajewelKS> rant: zram is similar but different
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• 830[10:35:18] <rant> yeah I dont see how.. zram IS swap
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• 832[10:35:52] <SerajewelKS> rant: zram is a compressed block device that can be used as swap, but there's no intelligent. it's used at a higher priority. when a zram swap volume fills up, the system starts writing to the next swap volume (disk).
• 833[10:36:18] <SerajewelKS> rant: zswap is different, when the in-memory swap cache fills up, zram evicts the LRU page to the physical swap device
• 834[10:37:11] <SerajewelKS> if you use zram in combination with another uncompressed swap device, what winds up happening is that the zram disk fills up with all the long-lived pages, and the disk swap gets used for all of the short-lived pages
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• 836[10:37:30] <SerajewelKS> which is hardly any benefit to not using zram at all
• 837[10:37:54] <rant> idk they sound exactly the same to me.. only difference I know of is that zram doesn't require another swap device to use
• 838[10:38:17] <rant> and if it IS used with another swap device, as you said, you can use priorities to control what gets used first
• 839[10:38:20] <SerajewelKS> whereas zswap will push the longer-lived pages out to the disk and try to keep the in-memory cache for short-lived pages, which can actually reduce disk I/O where zram would not
• 840[10:38:33] <SerajewelKS> rant: zram makes sense when there is not a backing swap device
• 841[10:38:48] <ratrace> SerajewelKS: uh not quite, zswap is kernel compressing pages that /would/ otherwise be paged out
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• 843[10:39:10] <SerajewelKS> ratrace: right, i'm talking about what happens when the zpool fills
• 844[10:39:31] <ratrace> SerajewelKS: wait, zpool? zfs?
• 845[10:39:31] <rant> but what you're getting at is zswap furthers the implementation by having some sort of algorithm to what it does
• 846[10:39:51] <SerajewelKS> ratrace: replaced-url
• 847[10:40:02] <alkisg> So what would be best for a live cd (with no other swap)? zram or zswap?
• 848[10:40:06] <SerajewelKS> rant: zswap is actually older ;)
• 849[10:40:22] <SerajewelKS> alkisg: zram when there is no backing swap on disk. zswap when there is.
• 850[10:40:48] <ratrace> SerajewelKS: yeah, the frist sentence, zswap compresses what would be evicted
• 851[10:41:12] <ratrace> it's totally useless if you ask me :: the whole point of swap is to page OUT memory, not fiddle with it still in ram
• 852[10:41:49] <SerajewelKS> rant: the point is what happens when each system fills up. in zram, it's like you had two regular swap volumes. when zram fills up, we just start writing new swap pages out to the next device. these are _new_ pages. when zswap fills up, it starts writing the _older_ pages to disk, which are more likely to sit unused.
• 853[10:42:26] <SerajewelKS> rant: the advantage of zram is that it doesn't require a backing swap device, it can be one all on its own. but this is also the only scenario where it makes sense to even use it.
• 854[10:42:40] <rant> SerajewelKS: so zswap is more like a FIFO to the other swap
• 855[10:42:49] <SerajewelKS> ratrace: i was pointing you there because you seemed confused about the term zpool
• 856[10:43:04] <alkisg> SerajewelKS: ty
• 857[10:43:11] <ratrace> SerajewelKS: i'm not confused, the industry is confused, using same terms over and over for different things ;)
• 858[10:43:22] <SerajewelKS> rant: i assume it's slightly more complicated than that, but basically, yes
• 859[10:44:00] <rant> I generally try not to swap so this isnt an issue for me :D
• 860[10:44:08] <SerajewelKS> ratrace: if the memory is highly-compressible, compressing it and keeping it in memory can reduce iops to the disk, if you have the spare CPU cycles. it's a decent idea under specific workloads.
• 861[10:44:15] <SerajewelKS> rant: well yes, that's the ideal
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• 863[10:44:50] <rant> I have 8GB ram in my machine now and I have 4GB of swap on an SSD, and I can scarcely use all the ram and swap by doing far more crap at once than I'd ever realistically do
• 864[10:45:04] <SerajewelKS> i'm happy for you
• 865[10:45:26] <ratrace> SerajewelKS: i know but i find in practice that's a big "if" and really useful in a very limited set of circumstances
• 866[10:45:37] <SerajewelKS> rant: FWIW, enabling zswap might still be an advantage to you as it is likely to reduce wear on the SSD
• 867[10:45:40] <ratrace> not worth the bother over getting ram upgraded
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• 869[10:46:06] <ratrace> the ssd wear from swap is a myth, unless you're using very old disks
• 870[10:46:22] <rant> SerajewelKS: yeah.. I suppose it would be if the swap were even being used.. but I have 0% swap in use so..
• 871[10:46:32] <SerajewelKS> ratrace: *shrug* as long as the workload is more I/O-heavy than CPU-heavy, adding a single kernel boot parameter is not a bother
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• 874[10:46:57] <rant> as far as I'm concerned swap exists to give me time when SHTF before the system locks up completely
• 875[10:47:18] <rant> and to facilitate hibernate which I don't use
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• 877[10:47:36] <SerajewelKS> in my experience it doesn't even do that, as soon as linux starts to heavily swap everything becomes unresponsive
• 878[10:47:37] <oiaohm> ratrace: I would not say ssd wear from swap is myth. How bad depends on the quality if your ssd. Like a microsd in a rasberrypi swap on that from of ssd might not be a hot idea.
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• 883[10:48:33] <rant> SerajewelKS: idk.. I've seen out of control js implementations eating swap up pretty fast and it was still responsive enough to manager to kill something, by sysrq if nothing else
• 884[10:49:00] <ratrace> oiaohm: it's a myth because it can affect your ssd only if you have constant, continuous swap storms over weeks and months
• 885[10:49:03] <SerajewelKS> rant: most of the systems i administrate are remote, as soon as sshd gets swapped it's game over
• 886[10:49:11] <ratrace> and if you have that ... you have FAR bigger problem to handle
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• 889[10:49:50] <oiaohm> ratrace: there are some really crap ssd out there with under 40TBW cycles on them.
• 890[10:50:27] <ratrace> just think about it.... swapping out at 50 MB/s (which is supper terrible, the system is probably unusable). that's 4G per day. 120G per month. modern SSDs can handle hundreds of TB written in their lifetime, so calculate how much of it affects the ssd
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• 892[10:51:07] <ratrace> uh... 4TB per day :)
• 893[10:51:29] <oiaohm> ratrace: there are still media where 120G month in the Microsd ssd that will see you past the limit in half amonth.
• 894[10:51:36] <ratrace> so yeah, like i said sans the math glitch, you'd need serious swap storms to start affecting the drive
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• 897[10:52:11] <oiaohm> ratrace: its two factors if your SSD is really crap swap will become issue really quickly.
• 898[10:52:11] <ratrace> oiaohm: well sure there's edge cases for every rule. in general, as a rule, with "normal" ssds? it's a myth
• 899[10:52:33] <ratrace> if you have that crappy ssd, you have other problems with it. regular disk activity will kill it sooner
• 900[10:53:23] <oiaohm> Swap on machines with low ram is generally heavier than general disk activity.
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• 902[10:53:31] <ratrace> the point being that swapping is not a problem unless you have swapwtorms, and if you have those, you have other problems to deal with and caring about ssd wear is just pointless in that situation
• 903[10:53:40] <oiaohm> But I would agree it would just bring problems sooner than latter.
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• 905[10:54:16] <oiaohm> The problem will come but instead of being like half a month it will be like 6 to 8 months I see this with some microsd in rasbery pi projects.
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• 907[10:55:24] <ratrace> swapping to microsd to begin with.... how usable is that system; is it at usable
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• 909[10:56:36] <oiaohm> ratrace: I would not have mentioned it if as long you don't push insanely it would not work. Light usage of swap on microsd you don't see performance stall outs.
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• 912[10:57:04] <oiaohm> Just the card is going to brick quite quickly
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• 916[10:58:07] <ratrace> right.
• 917[10:58:46] <oiaohm> Some really cheap china 2.5 ssd you will run into the same nightmare.
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• 920[10:59:13] <oiaohm> Swap wear on ssd is basically consideration when the ssd you are using is fairly much cheap crap.
• 921[10:59:52] <oiaohm> Otherwise the ssd should have enough wear cycles that by the time swap wear comes the problem you will have wanted to replace the ssd anyhow.
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• 923[11:00:40] <oiaohm> So I don't say swap wear is not a real problem. Its more a reason to avoid too cheap of parts.
• 924[11:00:42] <manARMy> I'm not part of the cdrom group. I just burned a CD though. How did I access /dev/sr0?
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• 926[11:01:08] <SerajewelKS> manARMy: what's the output of "ls -l /dev/sr0" and "id"?
• 927[11:01:37] <manARMy> brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 1 Aug 17 10:57 /dev/sr1
• 928[11:01:45] <manARMy> uid=1001(weak) gid=1001(weak) groups=1001(weak),489(t11)
• 929[11:02:00] <SerajewelKS> sr1?
• 930[11:02:21] <manARMy> I don't even have udisks2 service.
• 931[11:02:45] <SerajewelKS> what tool did you use to burn?
• 932[11:02:48] <manARMy> xfburn
• 933[11:03:24] <SerajewelKS> i don't suppose that it ever asked you for your root password
• 934[11:03:29] <manARMy> no
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• 936[11:03:57] <SerajewelKS> then i'm not sure, you could strace it to see when it opened the device to verify which device it's opening
• 937[11:04:32] <SerajewelKS> if you run "newgrp cdrom" does it just give you another shell or does it ask for a password?
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• 945[11:10:41] <SerajewelKS> manARMy: also, which debian release is this?
• 946[11:12:24] <SerajewelKS> manARMy: based on the ls output there's also an ACL on sr1. what does "getfacl /dev/sr1" say?
• 947[11:13:48] <manARMy> user:weak:rw-
• 948[11:16:01] <SerajewelKS> there you go
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• 968[11:37:40] <bittin> Fortfarande sjuk så missar hela Debian Days helgen :(
• 969[11:38:01] <bittin> Still sick so missing whole Debian Days weekend :(
• 970[11:39:49] <trebor_home> hi. i try to upgrade firmware-amd-graphics. apt-get install always tells me, that i already have the newest version - what is not true (20190717-1 is newest, i have 20190114-1). how can i force to upgrade?
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• 972[11:42:59] <pasiz> trebor_home: dist-upgrade?
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• 976[11:44:16] <humpled> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
• 977[11:44:18] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-1; sid/non-free: 20190717-1
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• 982[11:45:28] <humpled> it's in testing and unstable, but you're on debian 10 buster i guess trebor_home
• 983[11:45:48] <trebor_home> humpled: you are right. missed that.
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• 985[11:46:29] <trebor_home> downloaded the file and dpkg -i installed it. hope this did no harm ;)
• 986[11:46:36] <humpled> eek
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• 1001[12:03:52] <mallxs> how do tell a apt upgrade not to stop to show the changelog ?
• 1002[12:04:20] <mallxs> *i*
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• 1017[12:19:10] <ratrace> mallxs: you need DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive env var set
• 1018[12:19:37] <mallxs> ratrace: thanks
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• 1025[12:26:52] <n_1-c_k> At a bash prompt, 'ls -al' shows a file listing. 'ls -F' also shows a file listing. 'ls -alF' shows nothing and leaves the ls process in "uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)". Why is this?
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• 1027[12:28:16] * ratrace can't reproduce the problem
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• 1030[12:30:21] <n_1-c_k> ratrace, thanks for trying. I discovered I had a wedged sshfs mount. On killing it, my ls processes disappeared and now I can list. Why that combination of switches hits trouble I am still ignorant.
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• 1036[12:32:18] <ratrace> n_1-c_k: could be it forces a non-cached query to the (wedged) filesystem
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• 1038[12:33:25] <n_1-c_k> ratrace, yes I guess - but only when combined, which seems odd to me.
• 1039[12:34:45] <ratrace> n_1-c_k: is it actually when combined, or was it only a consequence of you trying it last, so some internal cache expired between the runs?
• 1040[12:34:49] <humpled> wedged?
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• 1044[12:35:22] <n_1-c_k> humpled: that's my technical term for it doesn't work any more and I don't know why.
• 1045[12:35:29] <humpled> oh :)
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• 1049[12:36:44] <n_1-c_k> ratrace: it seemed to be pretty consistent. The combination got stuck, I kill the terminal, try an unstuck version and it's fine, then get the combination stuck again.
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• 1051[12:37:48] <n_1-c_k> Thanks for replies, I'll file it as item no 9099 of things I don't understand.
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• 1059[12:45:53] <Cerebr0> Hi there ! I'm having to troubling thing, red & green colors are inversed in my terminal, idk why and it's really strange
• 1060[12:46:09] <Cerebr0> Can't see anything in my bashrc explaining thins
• 1061[12:46:12] <Cerebr0> this*
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• 1063[12:47:29] <jezebel> how do you know they're reversed?
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• 1073[12:50:25] <Cerebr0> 'cause when I screenfetch Linux Mint is red, when I got errors it appears in green, when I have successes it appears in red
• 1074[12:50:42] <Cerebr0> and if I use color codes printing in Python red appears green and reverse
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• 1078[12:53:58] <BCMM> Cerebr0: it's not really your bashrc that controls this - it's a terminal issue rather than a shell issue
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• 1080[12:55:02] <BCMM> what terminal are you using?
• 1081[12:55:41] <Cerebr0> terminator, gonna check if it's the same in others
• 1082[12:56:17] <Cerebr0> Oh you're right, it's normal on the others
• 1083[12:56:25] <Cerebr0> god i'm stupid, gonna check the config
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• 1085[12:56:28] <Cerebr0> Thanks ! :D
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• 1088[12:57:37] <Cerebr0> Returned to normal, I just "customized" the colorset and swapped red with green...
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• 1115[13:28:10] <w1d3m0d3> how does debian strip packages?
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• 1140[13:44:21] <humpled> i like terminator a lot
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• 1158[13:58:37] <choice> How do you intall gksu these days?
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• 1161[14:02:32] <humpled> i think you don't
• 1162[14:03:09] <choice> So how do you start graphical stuff as root these days?
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• 1164[14:04:09] <humpled> erm, there's a newer thing,
• 1165[14:04:11] <choice> I want to put a root terminal into my Gnome menu.
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• 1167[14:05:31] <humpled> gparted is using pkexec now
• 1168[14:06:13] <humpled> so you could use that or you know, launch a terminal with the initial command "sudo -i" so you type your password right there and don't need another window
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• 1171[14:06:35] <Efrit> Hello
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• 1173[14:06:58] <choice> humpled: I prefer a "root terminal" in my menu.
• 1174[14:07:13] <humpled> same thing
• 1175[14:07:25] <choice> Nope
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• 1178[14:07:37] <Efrit> I installed Debian 10 Gnome on a new computer but the graphical interface is slow
• 1179[14:07:42] <humpled> but you don't run the window as root, just the shell, which is preferable
• 1180[14:07:55] <Efrit> And Firefox nearly unusable
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• 1183[14:08:03] <choice> humpled: I prefer to run the window as root.
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• 1187[14:09:08] <Efrit> I did some research and I suspect that this is due to the fact that I use an HDMI-VGA adapter for the monitor
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• 1189[14:09:39] <Efrit> My graphical card is a NVIDIA GTX 1050 Ti
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• 1191[14:10:15] <Efrit> I tried to install the proprietary drivers by following the nvidia-detect application
• 1192[14:10:37] <Efrit> But when I reboot afterwards I just have a black screen
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• 1195[14:11:40] <Efrit> I suspect the proprietary driver don’t work when using an HDMI-VGA adapter
• 1196[14:11:48] <Efrit> But I am not sure about that
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• 1198[14:12:34] <Efrit> So I was wondering if someone here can confirm this is the problem or not
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• 1200[14:13:23] <choice> pkexec seems to work fine for mate-terminal.
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• 1210[14:20:14] <humpled> is it a laptop or a desktop Efrit?
• 1211[14:20:21] <humpled> does it have dual video cards?
• 1212[14:20:36] <humpled> are you using X or wayland or have you tried both?
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• 1219[14:22:32] <humpled> sorry i can't really help, i suggest to gather as much information as you can, google more specifically, and come back when (hopefully) there's someone here with experience of this stuff
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• 1226[14:26:17] <EdePopede> another libreoffice update on stretch? just had one recently which kicked me out of all my irc networks, there were no more ressources left to even respond to the pings.
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• 1228[14:26:52] <EdePopede> someone else realised heavy system load during the 2nd stage of the installation?
• 1229[14:27:15] <Bliepo> Hello everybody, I have a question regarding sources.list. I had to install my system using debootstrap and noticed that I do not have buster-updates in my sources.list.
• 1230[14:27:43] <Bliepo> I tried doing some research, but cannot find what the -updates channel is for.
• 1231[14:29:15] <Bliepo> Should it be in my sources.list? How can I find more info on the various channels?
• 1232[14:31:00] <Efrit> humpled, it is a desktop, a single video card I believe (that’s what I conclude from the output of lspci) I don’t know which of X or Wayland I was using, I guess it’s the default one but I don’t know which one it is
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• 1248[14:32:30] <w1d3m0d3> I made a program and I'd like to build a package for it with separate debug information, what is the correct and policy-compliant way to do that
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• 1250[14:34:10] <Efrit> Bliepo, it’s for minor updates
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• 1254[14:34:53] <Bliepo> So feature updates and the like then?
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• 1256[14:34:58] <Efrit> For example virus database of an antivirus, timezone updates, spam blacklists, etc.
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• 1259[14:35:45] <Bliepo> Ah, I see
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• 1261[14:36:11] <Bliepo> As I run a mail server, definitely want the spam blacklist updates then
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• 1267[14:38:02] <Bliepo> Any place where I can find more info on what other channels there are and what they do?
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• 1270[14:39:53] <Efrit> I have a link but it’s in French
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• 1272[14:40:23] <humpled> !sources
• 1273[14:40:24] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1274[14:41:01] <humpled> !buster-updates
• 1275[14:41:01] <dpkg> buster-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from buster-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
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• 1277[14:44:07] <Bliepo> Thank you humpled
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• 1283[14:45:34] <humpled> (: thank the bot
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• 1290[14:50:19] <Bliepo> !buster/updates
• 1291[14:50:20] <dpkg> On Debian 10 "Buster" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "buster/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "buster-updates" which is other updated packages. See also <sources.list>.
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• 1342[15:40:56] <bittin> Debian Days Stockholm 2019 is now over, sadly did not go any due to being sick :(
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• 1355[15:54:11] <karlpinc> Humm. <buster/updates> is wrong
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• 1361[15:59:27] <humpled> it should say this "deb replaced-url
• 1362[15:59:38] <humpled> or replaced-url
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• 1366[16:01:09] <karlpinc> humpled: Yeah. Not exactly wrong, but not clear.
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• 1369[16:01:58] <karlpinc> humpled: I tried using "buster/updates =~ s/which is/for/" to start cleaning up the sentence structure and the bot seems broken. So I give up.
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• 1371[16:03:45] <karlpinc> humpled: Also "other updated packages" is optional, not a "should". Depends on whether you want to wait for a point release or not.
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• 1375[16:04:51] <karlpinc> (Once, in the last 10+ years, "updates" broke something. On the other hand, it often fixes things.)
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• 1377[16:05:18] <humpled> yes it used to seem more normal to wait for the point release and just have the two entries
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• 1386[16:09:38] <_Cute_Kitty_> what's up guys
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• 1389[16:11:59] <_Cute_Kitty_> what do you guys think of my setup? i think i got it just the way i want it
• 1390[16:12:01] <_Cute_Kitty_> replaced-url
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• 1396[16:15:11] <srukle> How do you like Libre Social, _Cute_Kitty_?
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• 1398[16:16:52] <_Cute_Kitty_> libre social?
• 1399[16:17:01] <raidensnake> does anyone know what happened to the jessie arm64 port?
• 1400[16:17:08] <_Cute_Kitty_> do you mean libre writer?
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• 1412[16:25:10] <poomaru> i spent my 10 hours to fix debian installation problems, trying to understand what i 'm doing wrong
• 1413[16:25:24] <poomaru> i'm just installing debian as a 3rd distro on my computer
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• 1415[16:25:51] <_Cute_Kitty_> poormaru what's up
• 1416[16:26:02] <poomaru> i'm so tired cute_kiyy ;_;
• 1417[16:26:09] <_Cute_Kitty_> i feel you man
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• 1419[16:26:17] <_Cute_Kitty_> spent ten hours myself setting up my current build
• 1420[16:26:23] <poomaru> woah
• 1421[16:26:28] <live_> hi
• 1422[16:26:30] <_Cute_Kitty_> and i've got a raspberry pi coming in today that's going to take more time
• 1423[16:26:36] <poomaru> wuw
• 1424[16:26:42] <_Cute_Kitty_> but trust me, if you put the time in, it will be worth it by the end :)
• 1425[16:26:51] <poomaru> i know i love debian
• 1426[16:26:59] <poomaru> but there are too much errors
• 1427[16:27:05] <poomaru> >system is very lagging
• 1428[16:27:07] * bittin pets _Cute_Kitty_
• 1429[16:27:14] <poomaru> >sudo doesnt recognize my username
• 1430[16:27:23] <poomaru> >can't connect to wifi
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• 1432[16:27:35] <live_> im ganna trying this:replaced-url
• 1433[16:28:10] <live_> im using sparkyliux debian
• 1434[16:28:25] <live_> *sparkylinux
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• 1436[16:29:11] <poomaru> i also have a question, what is the most ideal way to install debian
• 1437[16:29:55] <poomaru> i'm sure i'm doing something wrong at the installation
• 1438[16:30:03] <poomaru> everything is problem
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• 1440[16:30:48] <pasiz> poomaru: i suggest using installer
• 1441[16:30:56] <humpled> how long has debian 10 been out? i haven't even decided which desktop to install yet. too much choice!
• 1442[16:30:57] <alkisg> poomaru: when installing, if you don't enter a root password, then your user will be a sudoer
• 1443[16:31:10] <alkisg> Otherwise you need to run `su -`, not sudo
• 1444[16:31:11] <poomaru> woah, seriously?
• 1445[16:31:20] <poomaru> yes that's what i m doing currently
• 1446[16:31:22] <alkisg> Yeah it's in the installer notes
• 1447[16:31:31] <poomaru> ahh
• 1448[16:31:34] <pasiz> poomaru: do you have your user in sudoers
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• 1450[16:31:42] <live_> or you can edit visudo to add user in sudoer file
• 1451[16:31:44] <pasiz> if not use su -
• 1452[16:31:52] <poomaru> no i dont have
• 1453[16:31:53] <alkisg> or gpasswd -a user sudo
• 1454[16:32:05] <poomaru> since i have too many problems i'm going to install a fresh debian
• 1455[16:32:12] <pasiz> poomaru: to change to root, use "su -"
• 1456[16:32:20] <poomaru> su works fine
• 1457[16:32:33] <poomaru> btw should i install debian 9 or 10
• 1458[16:32:35] <pasiz> poomaru: so now you are root. There's no problem them
• 1459[16:32:42] <humpled> but then you need to remember two passwords
• 1460[16:33:08] <poomaru> there are other problems such as wifi connection and heavy system lag, reainstalling the distro is needed ;_;
• 1461[16:33:24] <poomaru> i was wondering maybe i should install debian 9
• 1462[16:33:28] <poomaru> instead of 10
• 1463[16:33:36] <poomaru> what you suggest
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• 1465[16:33:46] <humpled> you should check out the devices right away
• 1466[16:34:04] <humpled> in some cases debian is not the best distro for very new hardware
• 1467[16:34:51] <poomaru> i used kali linux as a main distor which is debian based for a long time, worked fine
• 1468[16:35:02] <humpled> check out the devices with lspci -k then you can be prepared for what you'll need during the installation
• 1469[16:35:20] <poomaru> lemme check it
• 1470[16:35:29] <humpled> do they have debian kernels?
• 1471[16:35:48] <poomaru> probably modified debian kernels
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• 1473[16:36:29] <humpled> i'm sure you can use a different kernel with a debian system if necessary
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• 1475[16:36:51] <kreyren> why am i getting `Err:1 replaced-url
• 1476[16:36:52] <kreyren> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 04EE7237B7D453EC NO_PUBKEY 648ACFD622F3D138` even when i have debian-keyring_2019.07.26_all.deb installed?
• 1477[16:36:52] <Dinda_> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 04EE7237B7D453EC NO_PUBKEY 648ACFD622F3D138` even when i have debian-keyring_2019.07.26_all.deb installed?
• 1478[16:37:14] <kreyren> Dinda_, eh?
• 1479[16:37:20] <kreyren> trying to move from ubuntu to debian
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• 1481[16:39:11] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
• 1482[16:39:11] <dpkg> Sorry kreyren, you're not online.
• 1483[16:39:15] <kreyren> dammit
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• 1486[16:39:35] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
• 1487[16:39:35] <dpkg> pong
• 1488[16:39:54] <poomaru> what is the most clean way to install debian?
• 1489[16:39:56] <alkisg> Haha, so the bot can do jokes too? :D
• 1490[16:40:20] <poomaru> seems like yes
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• 1492[16:40:40] <poomaru> i tried installing debian dvd 1 in uefi, got problems
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• 1496[16:41:16] <kreyren> why am i getting replaced-url
• 1497[16:41:26] <kreyren> disabled /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
• 1498[16:41:29] <poomaru> since there is no proper answer of my question i'll switch to a simple question
• 1499[16:41:42] <poomaru> do you use debian 9 or debian 10?
• 1500[16:41:52] <kreyren> debian testing
• 1501[16:41:52] <poomaru> which one is better?
• 1502[16:42:02] <poomaru> is it better?
• 1503[16:42:16] <humpled> 10 is current stable, it is more up to date and will be supported for longer
• 1504[16:42:21] <kreyren> i always recommend debian testing since it's more up to date and stable then stable
• 1505[16:42:28] <alkisg> Ouch :/
• 1506[16:42:31] <rj1> lol wtf
• 1507[16:42:42] <poomaru> that's ironic
• 1508[16:43:01] <rj1> simply not true, and a bit of a jab at the people who put so much hard work into making debian the stable os that it is
• 1509[16:43:02] <alkisg> poomaru, keep in mind that kreyren has been here with a broken system for the last months :D
• 1510[16:43:17] <poomaru> lol
• 1511[16:43:26] <kreyren> alkisg, What broken it works like a charm when i'm not messing with it
• 1512[16:43:32] <poomaru> maybe we both need debian 9
• 1513[16:43:40] <alkisg> poomaru: nah, use debian 10
• 1514[16:43:48] <alkisg> Just download the cd for your desktop environment
• 1515[16:44:03] <poomaru> i downloaded the first dvd as torrent
• 1516[16:44:11] <poomaru> and got non-free firmware is missing errors
• 1517[16:44:22] <poomaru> is there a better alternative?
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• 1519[16:45:12] <rj1> there are images you can download that include non-free firmware, if you're interested in that
• 1520[16:45:28] <poomaru> woah
• 1521[16:45:32] <poomaru> i'll check
• 1522[16:45:42] <poomaru> it's just mind blowing that they are dozens of isos
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• 1525[16:46:05] <poomaru> eg, what is the standard.iso ?
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• 1528[16:46:22] * kreyren is sad because none wants to help him migrade from ubuntu to debian
• 1529[16:46:30] <humpled> much smaller iso, no desktop
• 1530[16:47:24] <kreyren> fixed the issue by using debian-archive-keyrin
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• 1532[16:47:49] <kreyren> replaced-url
• 1533[16:47:50] <alkisg> kreyren: weren't you on frankendebian a few days ago? when did that become ubuntu?
• 1534[16:48:07] <kreyren> alkisg, helping friend with a project
• 1535[16:48:07] <oiaohm> poomaru: with debian you normally want to find the unoffical installers and with a good internet connection netinstaller works great.
• 1536[16:48:11] <alkisg> ok
• 1537[16:48:17] <kreyren> alkisg, frankendebian with tmpfs on root still running strong
• 1538[16:48:23] <alkisg> Yey! :D
• 1539[16:48:24] <kreyren> and no systemd shajt
• 1540[16:48:27] <kreyren> :3
• 1541[16:48:42] <rj1> l0l
• 1542[16:48:43] * alkisg continues developing his programs that depend on systemd.... :P
• 1543[16:48:43] <rj1> sounds crazy
• 1544[16:48:47] <kreyren> i can even turn it off O.o
• 1545[16:48:48] <kreyren> it's cool
• 1546[16:49:18] * kreyren is dissapointed in alkisg for supporting that crapware
• 1547[16:49:21] <rj1> next up--debian install on a filesystem only stored in RAM
• 1548[16:49:33] <kreyren> rj1, thats what i have lol
• 1549[16:49:38] <rj1> nice
• 1550[16:49:39] <kreyren> disks are deprecated and slow
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• 1554[16:50:20] <kreyren> and booting custom livecd iso from android phone
• 1555[16:50:20] <kreyren> xD
• 1556[16:50:25] <rj1> yeah, until you have a power outage
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• 1558[16:50:38] <_Cute_Kitty_> bhi guys sorry
• 1559[16:50:45] <kreyren> rj1, thats why it's notebook with 6 days of battery life if that happens
• 1560[16:50:47] <kreyren> lul
• 1561[16:50:48] <_Cute_Kitty_> i accidentally shut down my computer, :O
• 1562[16:51:03] <_Cute_Kitty_> did y'all see my post on reddit debian?
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• 1564[16:51:50] * bittin pets _Cute_Kitty_
• 1565[16:52:01] * kreyren pets _Cute_Kitty_
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• 1567[16:52:40] <_Cute_Kitty_> aww thanks guys :)
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• 1569[16:52:56] <_Cute_Kitty_> I'm absolutely loving using Linux again
• 1570[16:53:02] <_Cute_Kitty_> it had been so long ...
• 1571[16:53:49] <kreyren> replaced-url
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• 1573[16:54:01] * kreyren watches ubuntu burn
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• 1575[16:54:47] <alkisg> kreyren: you're trying to transform ubuntu into debian?!
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• 1578[16:56:40] <_Cute_Kitty_> what are y'all doing today
• 1579[16:57:16] <bittin> _Cute_Kitty_: nothing much being sick and bored, watching the stream of a german demoparty called Evoke and relaxing in front on the computer
• 1580[16:57:54] <kreyren> alkisg, i'm not trying i already done it
• 1581[16:58:17] <pasiz> suffering hangover...
• 1582[16:58:30] <alkisg> kreyren: can't imagine why... they start from different freeze points; it sounds like you WANT things to break :)
• 1583[16:58:41] <alkisg> But ok anyway whatever you like to waste your time with...
• 1584[16:58:51] <kreyren> alkisg, since hosting doesnt provide debian
• 1585[16:59:04] <kreyren> and i ain't working with ubuntu
• 1586[16:59:15] <_Cute_Kitty_> bittin: awesome
• 1587[16:59:18] <alkisg> kreyren: well, copy the new one, don't upgrade it
• 1588[16:59:27] <_Cute_Kitty_> I'm drinking my morning joe and waiting for my raspberry pi
• 1589[16:59:30] <kreyren> alkisg, why this is faster
• 1590[16:59:32] <bittin> _Cute_Kitty_: it works, kinda sucks being sick however missed Debian Days here in Stockholm :(
• 1591[16:59:38] <alkisg> and more broken :) anyway whatever you prefer...
• 1592[16:59:42] <at0m> #debian-offtopic folks
• 1593[17:00:13] <kreyren> at0m, i was offtopic 4 mins ago now it's debian heheh
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• 1596[17:01:30] <_Cute_Kitty_> i don't even know how to view the other channels :(
• 1597[17:01:35] <bittin> _Cute_Kitty_: replaced-url
• 1598[17:01:43] <bittin> _Cute_Kitty_: /j #channel
• 1599[17:01:51] <bittin> replace channel with a channel
• 1600[17:01:57] <_Cute_Kitty_> what channels are there
• 1601[17:02:40] <kreyren> is it sane to remvoe these? replaced-url
• 1602[17:02:43] <kreyren> *remove
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• 1606[17:04:30] <ZaZaGX> ahoy
• 1607[17:04:54] * kreyren yolo
• 1608[17:05:40] <bittin> hi
• 1609[17:05:47] <LtL> kreyren: you might want to ask in #ubuntu
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• 1611[17:06:06] <kreyren> LtL, they will tell me that this is debian issue since that system has 99% debian packages now
• 1612[17:06:25] <ZaZaGX> i dislike ubuntu
• 1613[17:06:38] <LtL> _Cute_Kitty_: find channels using alis. example /msg alis list searchterm
• 1614[17:06:48] <kreyren> ZaZaGX, m2 why else do you think i'm migrating it on debian lul
• 1615[17:07:10] <ZaZaGX> a server?
• 1616[17:07:13] <kreyren> yep
• 1617[17:07:16] <ZaZaGX> nice
• 1618[17:07:19] <kreyren> bcs hosting doesnt provide debian
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• 1620[17:07:42] <ZaZaGX> i just switched to debian like 3 weeks ago
• 1621[17:08:00] <ZaZaGX> almost
• 1622[17:08:07] * kreyren whispers switch on testing too
• 1623[17:08:25] <ZaZaGX> oh how come?
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• 1627[17:11:36] <ZaZaGX> might as well use ubuntu, its debian testing with ubuntu dev working on it
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• 1630[17:12:57] <w1d3m0d3> why is this option set here by default? replaced-url
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• 1643[17:29:31] <integfred> Hi, I'm trying to compile weston (wayland) using meson, but it complains libxkbcommon cannot be found. I have libxkbcommon0 and libxkbcommon-dev installed ... can anyone help me to make meson find the library?
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• 1646[17:32:39] <dataCobra> Hello everyone, I've got a question.
• 1647[17:33:07] <w1d3m0d3> integfred: meson uses pkg-config to find packages
• 1648[17:33:28] <w1d3m0d3> it seems to be called xkbcommon
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• 1651[17:34:07] <dataCobra> I try to currenty install debian buster using debootstrap. Everything works fine till I try to "update-grub". The command does nothing for me. Maybe somebody had this problem and can help me or has some other ideas?
• 1652[17:34:31] <dataCobra> grub-install worked fine
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• 1657[17:35:15] <dataCobra> instead of update-grub I also trieg grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
• 1658[17:35:20] <dataCobra> *tried
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• 1660[17:35:26] <w1d3m0d3> those tow are the same
• 1661[17:35:29] <w1d3m0d3> two*
• 1662[17:35:35] <integfred> yeah, I have a xkbcommon.pc file in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkgconfig but it's not finding it
• 1663[17:35:59] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: could you help me find out why it does not work?
• 1664[17:36:08] <w1d3m0d3> change the build script to use xkbcommon or link libxkbcommon.pc->xkbcommom.pc
• 1665[17:36:31] <w1d3m0d3> dataCobra: run mkconfig without -o and inspect it's output
• 1666[17:37:00] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: the problem is there is 0 output. :/
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• 1668[17:37:13] <w1d3m0d3> dataCobra: even when you run it bare?
• 1669[17:37:19] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: yeah
• 1670[17:37:38] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: I type the command and after that it's just standing still
• 1671[17:37:43] <w1d3m0d3> hm, strange
• 1672[17:37:51] <integfred> w1d3m0d3: well it's asking for xkbcommon ... "Cross dependency xkbcommon found: NO"
• 1673[17:37:53] <integfred> :/
• 1674[17:38:08] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: When I do the same go to with stretch it works. But I want a clean install really.
• 1675[17:38:21] <w1d3m0d3> cross dependency? integfred
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• 1677[17:38:40] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: When I do the same with stretch and debootstrap, everything works fine. I wanted to say.
• 1678[17:38:47] <w1d3m0d3> are you trying to cross compile?
• 1679[17:38:55] <w1d3m0d3> dataCobra: I understood that, I'm not sure why it doesn't work
• 1680[17:39:09] <w1d3m0d3> what's in /etc/grub.d
• 1681[17:39:34] <integfred> w1d3m0d3: yes i have a crossconfig.txt for use with meson
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• 1683[17:40:30] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: 00_header 10_linux 30_os-prober 40_custom 05_debian_theme 20_linux_xen 30_uefi-firmware 41_custom
• 1684[17:40:46] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: I messed up the order, but thats what is inside
• 1685[17:40:48] <w1d3m0d3> strange, then it should be picking up on those and creating the config
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• 1687[17:41:35] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: I also tried to disable 30_os-prober because some people on the internet got some issues with it too. But that was not it
• 1688[17:42:08] <w1d3m0d3> if you aren't even getting the header I doubt os-prober would change a thing
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• 1690[17:42:15] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: The most annoying thing is, there is no verbose mode for mkconfig
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• 1692[17:42:45] <w1d3m0d3> it just runs all the scripts in /etc/grub.d/, maybe define some extra env, nothing to be verbose about
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• 1696[17:47:52] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: Is there a way for me to get at least some knowlegde about what is happening when the command is executed?
• 1697[17:48:18] <w1d3m0d3> sh -x /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig?
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• 1701[17:49:23] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: Okay now I have some knowledge :D
• 1702[17:49:28] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: /usr/sbin/grub-probe --device /dev/mapper/crypt0-root --target=fs_uuid
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• 1704[17:49:36] <dataCobra> thats the ouput where he hangs
• 1705[17:49:38] <w1d3m0d3> dataCobra: that cmd hangs?
• 1706[17:49:44] <dataCobra> Yeah
• 1707[17:49:47] <dataCobra> This one
• 1708[17:50:10] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: Something is not right with UUID and my LVM-Partition?!
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• 1711[17:51:48] <w1d3m0d3> dataCobra: from what I can tell that's supposed to get the UUID of the filesystem on that partition
• 1712[17:52:35] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: Yeah when I type lsblk -f there is no UUID for any partition displayed. But in /dev/disk/by-uuid there are all listed
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• 1714[17:53:33] <w1d3m0d3> try to run blkid on it I guess
• 1715[17:53:50] <dataCobra> It works
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• 1717[17:54:00] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: sorry not the problem itself
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• 1719[17:54:12] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: but with blkid I get a UUID now
• 1720[17:54:55] <w1d3m0d3> what happens if you run probe manually?
• 1721[17:55:07] <w1d3m0d3> dataCobra: with -v for berbose
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• 1723[17:55:26] <dataCobra> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: info: cannot open `/boot/grub/device.map': No such file or directory.
• 1724[17:55:29] <dataCobra> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: info: /dev/mapper/crypt0-root is not present.
• 1725[17:55:33] <w1d3m0d3> er, sudo?
• 1726[17:55:59] <dataCobra> I'm root
• 1727[17:56:02] <dataCobra> at the moment
• 1728[17:56:04] <w1d3m0d3> right
• 1729[17:56:12] <w1d3m0d3> well, is your mapper present :^)
• 1730[17:56:17] <dataCobra> device.map is not there really
• 1731[17:56:25] <w1d3m0d3> no, the dm-crypt matter
• 1732[17:56:26] <dataCobra> how do I get this?
• 1733[17:56:36] <w1d3m0d3> I don't think I have it either
• 1734[17:56:47] <w1d3m0d3> yeah, I don't
• 1735[17:56:53] <w1d3m0d3> I'd not worry about that
• 1736[17:57:10] <dataCobra> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 17 16:47 crypt0-home -> ../dm-4
• 1737[17:57:12] <dataCobra> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 17 16:47 crypt0-root -> ../dm-1
• 1738[17:57:14] <dataCobra> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 17 16:47 crypt0-swap -> ../dm-2
• 1739[17:57:16] <dataCobra> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 17 16:47 crypt0-var -> ../dm-3
• 1740[17:57:18] <dataCobra> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 17 16:46 cryptolvm -> ../dm-0
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• 1742[17:57:20] <w1d3m0d3> whoops
• 1743[17:57:30] <w1d3m0d3> well, at least I know the mapper is there
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• 1745[17:57:37] <w1d3m0d3> :^) welcome back
• 1746[17:57:42] <dataCobra> Thank you :D
• 1747[17:57:52] <dataCobra> As you see everything is there
• 1748[17:57:55] <dataCobra> in /dev/mapper
• 1749[17:57:58] <w1d3m0d3> that's strange indeed
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• 1751[17:58:07] <w1d3m0d3> can you run `file` on the root mapper?
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• 1753[17:58:23] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: what do you mean with root mapper?
• 1754[17:58:31] <w1d3m0d3> crypt0-root
• 1755[17:58:47] <dataCobra> /dev/mapper/crypt0-root: symbolic link to ../dm-1
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• 1757[17:58:57] <w1d3m0d3> er, right, it's a link
• 1758[17:59:05] <w1d3m0d3> run file with -L
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• 1760[17:59:21] <dataCobra> /dev/mapper/crypt0-root: block special (254/1)
• 1761[17:59:30] <w1d3m0d3> hm, so it can read it
• 1762[17:59:54] <w1d3m0d3> try with -s too
• 1763[18:00:15] <dataCobra> maybe some problem with my fstab?
• 1764[18:00:44] <dataCobra> /dev/mapper/crypt0-root: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=$UUID, volume name "root" (needs journal recovery) (extents) (64bit) (large files) (huge files)
• 1765[18:00:54] <dataCobra> So of course $UUID is where the UUID is
• 1766[18:00:57] <w1d3m0d3> is the UUID right?
• 1767[18:01:01] <dataCobra> Yeah
• 1768[18:01:04] <dataCobra> its the same
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• 1770[18:01:07] <w1d3m0d3> hm, strange then
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• 1772[18:02:51] <w1d3m0d3> ask in #grub, I'm sure they know what's up here
• 1773[18:02:58] <integfred> w1d3m0d3: thanks, the config wasnt right, i've fixed it now
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• 1775[18:03:04] <w1d3m0d3> oh
• 1776[18:03:13] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: thanks :)
• 1777[18:03:20] <w1d3m0d3> integfred: dataCobra np
• 1778[18:04:31] <Abdullah> so what's the problem there guys?
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• 1780[18:05:06] <Abdullah> Have encrypted installation experience a bit maybe I can help
• 1781[18:05:22] <Abdullah> but lazy enough to scroll up
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• 1785[18:07:06] <w1d3m0d3> question about packaging for debian: I use git submodules to manage some static dependencies (along with meson wraps), how can I exclude those directories from my source archives?
• 1786[18:07:19] <w1d3m0d3> Abdullah: grub-probe hangs while probing a crypt device
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• 1798[18:17:15] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: I found some more info: the first warning after the info is WARNING: Device /dev/loop0 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds.
• 1799[18:17:27] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: Maybe we could get something out of it with this?
• 1800[18:17:49] <dataCobra> w1d3m0d3: Grub does not respond very fast. :/
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• 1805[18:19:08] <w1d3m0d3> aren't 10000000 microseconds 10 seconds?
• 1806[18:20:26] <dataCobra> yeah
• 1807[18:20:28] <dataCobra> should be
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• 1809[18:20:31] <dataCobra> or so :D
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• 1812[18:21:14] <w1d3m0d3> I've no idea what grub-probe does
• 1813[18:21:36] <dataCobra> The same as os-prober
• 1814[18:21:52] <dataCobra> I get the same issue with os-prober
• 1815[18:22:00] <dataCobra> I read now something about it
• 1816[18:22:05] <dataCobra> Maybe a LVM change problem
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• 1818[18:22:28] <w1d3m0d3> os-prober seraches for operating systems, grub-probe prints device information
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• 1821[18:24:23] <la_mettrie> *related
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• 1837[18:36:05] <sideup66> hello folks, just upgraded a machine i have from stretch to buster, its a headless machine (no desktop gui installed) and after the upgrade, for some strange reason, the screen will not go to sleep on the machine
• 1838[18:36:13] <sideup66> has anyone else experienced this?
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• 1850[18:46:09] <poomaru> _Cute_Kitty_ yey
• 1851[18:46:19] <poomaru> i finally fixed all my problems and debian is stable now
• 1852[18:46:59] <poomaru> it took 12 hours but like you said, it feels great at the last
• 1853[18:47:08] <humpled> wow nice
• 1854[18:47:16] <poomaru> arigatou x3
• 1855[18:47:23] <poomaru> have a nice day #debian
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• 1861[18:51:04] <scarodj_> Hello all! I'm trying to install GnuPG, libgpg-error and lbgcrypt. The latter depends on the second and both (1st & 2nd) say that to be installed you need to run "configure", but I see no such file (only "configure.ac"). Anyone knows how to install GnuPG or how to send me in the right direction? I'm searching and I only get how to install keys or other usage.
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• 1863[18:52:26] <Abdullah> w1d3m0d3: I don't have/use grub, sorry.
• 1864[18:52:30] <Bliepo> scarodj_, are you installing from source?
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• 1867[18:53:07] <w1d3m0d3> Abdullah: don't apologise to me, I'm not the one with the problem
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• 1869[18:53:24] <Abdullah> you're the one who mentioned me :)
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• 1887[19:06:13] <scarodj_> @Bliepo yes I'm cloneing from Git and attempting to compile, because apt says it is unable to locate the package
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• 1891[19:06:52] <Bliepo> scarodj_, gnupg-utils, gnupg2 or gnupg-agent are not what you need?
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• 1893[19:07:42] <Abdullah> scarodj_: gnupg is in repositoires
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• 1895[19:08:10] <Abdullah> apt install gnupg what it shows? paste the output to some pastebins
• 1896[19:08:41] <Bliepo> Also you can search for packages using apt seach
• 1897[19:08:48] <Bliepo> *search
• 1898[19:09:33] <Abdullah> scarodj_: maybe you want `apt update` first
• 1899[19:11:51] <scarodj_> Abdullah: thanks! It's already installed.
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• 1901[19:12:22] <Abdullah> so don't compile it from source code.
• 1902[19:12:29] <Abdullah> e.g. github
• 1903[19:12:41] <scarodj_> Bliepo: no entries for libpgp-error though
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• 1905[19:13:14] <scarodj_> I just updated
• 1906[19:13:19] <Abdullah> from where it comes?
• 1907[19:13:27] <Abdullah> lemme have a look at.
• 1908[19:14:54] <Abdullah> scarodj_: I'm sure, libpgp-error is what you got from source code. I can't find in apt.
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• 1910[19:16:39] <Bliepo> scarodj_, installing from source should be avoided as much as possible (unless you cannot go without said software and there are no alternatives). Software installed from source will not receive automatic (security) updates and has the potential to overwrite system packages.
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• 1922[19:21:39] <scarodj_> Abdullah: Iforgot how to find the package source, but I just have the default ones.
• 1923[19:22:17] <Abdullah> apt search package
• 1924[19:22:41] <Abdullah> scarodj_: just type gpg and hit enter. what it says?
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• 1926[19:23:05] <scarodj_> Bliepo: I know, thanks for the advise, but I need these ones for what I want to do and I haven't been able to find a trusted repository
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• 1928[19:24:18] <Abdullah> trusted repos?
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• 1948[19:31:24] <scarodj_> Abdullah: *lol* trusted by me... I mean, that I know are safe like Debian or Ubuntu. Aparently I do have libgpg-error0/unstable,now 1.36-7 amd64
• 1949[19:31:54] <scarodj_> Idk if the "0" makes a difference
• 1950[19:32:03] <Abdullah> scarodj_: lsb_release output?
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• 1958[19:39:19] <scarodj_> Abdullah: with just the command "No LSB modules are available"; with -a its 9.9 Stretch
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• 1961[19:41:28] <Abdullah> !stretch->buster
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• 1966[19:42:43] <Abdullah> dpkg stretch->buster
• 1967[19:42:43] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 1976[19:49:07] <scarodj_> Abdullah: Uff! homework haha. Many thanks! I'll upgrade and try again later.
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• 2024[20:40:21] <jim> scarodj_, what the factoid didn't say, is you should bring your stretch up to date first: before changing your sources.list, apt update ; apt dist-upgrade
• 2025[20:40:39] <jim> then follow the directions in the factoid
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• 2027[20:42:32] <scarodj_> jim: Thanks! I'm glad I haven't started hehe
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• 2032[20:46:18] <choice> Hello! I am looking for my chromium bookmarks. Are they somewhere in my homedir?
• 2033[20:46:20] <jim> scarodj_, and, it's good to read the release notes of the version you're upgrading to
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• 2035[20:46:58] <jim> choice, maybe somewhere in ~/.config/?
• 2036[20:47:37] <choice> jim: Aha! There is a whole world there in ~/.config/...
• 2037[20:48:09] <karlpinc> scarodj_: Best when upgrading is to not take shortcuts and at least look over the release notes.
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• 2039[20:48:20] <jim> yep, lotsa stuff if you've done a lot
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• 2061[21:03:30] <kale> hi, i am running a raid on two ssd's on an i5 system. on top of raid i have luks, then lvm. reading from any of the disks is fast 290MB/s but on luks i goes down o 4MB/s while writing.
• 2062[21:03:37] <kale> i get this in syslog: task systemd-udevd:2319 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
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• 2065[21:04:41] <kale> any idea why this system has slow diskio?
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• 2067[21:07:17] <spaceman> kernel 4.20.* ?
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• 2069[21:07:49] <kale> 4.9.0-9 (stretch)
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• 2076[21:12:15] <kale> is there a way to make btrfs/kernel run in non-ssd mode?
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• 2078[21:15:44] <rant> kale: afaik the ssd thing is a mount option, and if you're going to use relatively new filesystems you should probably try using a newer system or at least a newer kernel 4.19 is in backports for stretch, and buster has been released
• 2079[21:16:52] <kale> have been running my laptop like this for years with no issues, could this be due to the specific SSD hardware?
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• 2084[21:18:21] <kale> also, should not be related to btrfs, as i write directly to the lvm volumes, and not a filesystem on them
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• 2086[21:18:56] <Kocane> Anyone got an idea to debug why a service that starts perfectly with systemctl start but somewhy doesn't start on boot?
• 2087[21:18:59] <Kocane> It's enabled.
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• 2089[21:19:56] <coruja> 'systemctl status <service>' says (after failing to start at boot)?
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• 2091[21:21:24] <Kocane> Nope just "inactive". No errors.
• 2092[21:21:30] <Kocane> Works sometimes
• 2093[21:21:45] <Kocane> It's not dependant on storage that isn't mounted
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• 2095[21:22:12] <coruja> maybe your service needs something that's not available yet at boot time
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• 2105[21:29:20] <plague_survivor> anyone on?
• 2106[21:29:30] <plague_survivor> testing HexChat
• 2107[21:29:38] <JPT> hexchat is working
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• 2110[21:30:11] <plague_survivor> know a better alternative?
• 2111[21:30:22] <_Cute_Kitty_> hello. i have synaptics package manager and lightdm greeter settings installed on my raspberry pi but they won't run unless i use sudo (runprogram) in terminal
• 2112[21:30:30] <_Cute_Kitty_> they won't just open when i click them. why is this
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• 2115[21:31:45] <JPT> plague_survivor: As far as i am concerned, hexchat is a nice client. If you prefer the terminal, maybe try irssi.
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• 2119[21:36:05] <_Cute_Kitty_> is there a way to run the application as sudo when i click it
• 2120[21:38:17] <kale> _Cute_Kitty_: perhaps your raspberry pi boots into runlevel 3
• 2121[21:38:28] <_Cute_Kitty_> wut
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• 2124[21:41:23] <_Cute_Kitty_> what is runlevel 3
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• 2129[21:44:48] <jelly> _Cute_Kitty_: if your system is running Raspbian rather than actual Debian, you'll have to ask about it in #raspbian channel, not here
• 2130[21:45:24] <_Cute_Kitty_> ok
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• 2133[21:45:53] <pasiz> _Cute_Kitty_: normal system without display manager
• 2134[21:47:03] <pasiz> so multiple users and networking on. Display manager gets loaded in 5
• 2135[21:48:04] <pasiz> on headless server it's standard runlevel when running.
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• 2139[21:50:10] <omarek> Hi, my power supply died and killed motherboard while system was suspended. Backup GPT was damaged, main GPT is ok.
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• 2141[21:50:26] <omarek> HPA is enabled on the hard drive.
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• 2143[21:51:00] <pasiz> omarek: then everything should be fine
• 2144[21:51:06] <omarek> gdisk is smart enough to figure out primary GPT is fine, backup GPT damaged, and can regenerate backup from main...
• 2145[21:51:34] <omarek> But gdisk doesn't get HPA and complains about partition being larger than the disk and backup GPT outside disk.
• 2146[21:52:06] <omarek> pasiz: Should my disk boot just fine if primary GPT is ok but backup damaged? Because it does not.
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• 2150[21:53:11] <omarek> "Gave up waiting for root file system device" (...) ALERT! UUID=blah-blah-blah does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
• 2151[21:53:31] <JPT> You could disable the HPA and then fix GPT. Then proceed to check your config and compare your ids with blkid.
• 2152[21:53:33] <pasiz> omarek: yes. Is your primary GPT really ok. Could you mount fs
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• 2154[21:54:29] <omarek> pasiz: lsblk lists zero partitions, just a line "sda" with size. fdisk -l lists a single partition.
• 2155[21:54:44] <omarek> I know utils which are not GPT aware react this way to a protective MBR.
• 2156[21:55:06] <omarek> Which fdisk probably is not. But I'm not sure about lsblk.
• 2157[21:55:11] <pasiz> omarek: then make backup on block level and try to salvage data
• 2158[21:55:49] <omarek> pasiz: on block level? I did a pretty ordinary dd backup to a file.
• 2159[21:56:23] <pasiz> omarek: just like that. You could try testdisk on that backup
• 2160[21:56:36] <omarek> pasiz: Try to salvage data? smartctl -t long shows no damage.
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• 2162[21:58:04] <omarek> pasiz: can testdisk load a gzipped dd image?
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• 2165[21:59:59] <omarek> pasiz: Just to be sure, simple 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 ...' yields 'special device /dev/sda1 does not exist.'
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• 2169[22:02:41] <omarek> JPT: by disabling HPA, do you mean hdparm -N pREAL_NUMBER_OF_SECTORS?
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• 2171[22:03:04] <omarek> JPT: how do I check ids and blkid ?
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• 2175[22:04:16] <JPT> omarek: blkid is the command that displays the relevant ids
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• 2177[22:04:41] <JPT> Regarding your HPA, i don't know.
• 2178[22:04:53] <JPT> But hdparm should be able to disable it.
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• 2184[22:07:49] <Kocane> coruja: the only thing it waits for is network.target
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• 2206[22:18:56] <omarek> JPT: A million dollar question. The complaint about device UUID comes from /etc/fstab, yes? So apparently the file is accessed when booting, but I can't access it when booting from live cd debian.
• 2207[22:19:05] <omarek> Because I can't mount /dev/sda on live cd debian.
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• 2210[22:20:37] <JPT> You don't want to mount /dev/sda (the whole disk), but partitions on that disk (/dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, ...). The output of lsblk should help you figure out what to access.
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• 2215[22:21:34] <JPT> When you got a boot error like "Gave up waiting for root file system device", then you will need to check your bootloaders configuration, too. Also, the root= param that your bootloader passes to the kernel while launching it.
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• 2218[22:22:35] <JPT> But first, make sure your GPT is intact and check your filesystems
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• 2222[22:23:11] <omarek> JPT: it outputs /dev/sda: PTTYPE="PMBR"
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• 2224[22:23:30] <omarek> I can't mount the drive and thus I think I can't edit its /etc/fstab...
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• 2226[22:24:49] <JPT> That does not sound good. So i assume lsblk only show the disk itself, but no partitions on it?
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• 2230[22:26:43] <omarek> JPT: correct.
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• 2232[22:27:12] <omarek> JPT: I will still try turning off HPA and repairing backup GPT... But I need to get to grips with backup images first.
• 2233[22:27:57] <omarek> COuld a change of motherboard cause this confusion?
• 2234[22:28:40] <JPT> That would be very unusual.
• 2235[22:29:01] <JPT> I mean - you could try the disk in a different computer, but i wouldn't expect any different result
• 2236[22:29:23] <JPT> Make sure your backups are intact. If possible, image the drive in question, so you can use the image as your working copy. Plan your steps and keep calm. Best of luck!
• 2237[22:29:25] <omarek> I will need to read up on UUIDs, blkid and HPA.
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• 2242[22:32:28] <omarek> JPT: You know, at this point a different computer is not strange. It's a new HGST drive in an old Core2Duo compatible motherboard.
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• 2244[22:32:59] <JPT> Okay, that may be a factor
• 2245[22:33:16] <JPT> It's probably too big for the bios to detect properly
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• 2247[22:33:42] <JPT> Your linux kernel should still be able to detect it 100%, but still.. booting might not work in such an environment
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• 2254[22:39:14] <omarek> JPT: As a general rule, if I manage to mount an image does it mean I can apply the same cure to the real disk?
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• 2258[22:40:14] <JPT> Technically, yes.
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• 2262[22:40:45] <kale> as you can mount with an offset, that is unlikely n every situation. if you can restore your partitions then yes
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• 2266[22:41:33] <JPT> Agree, it's very important that you fix your GPT on that image, too.
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• 2274[22:43:51] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> hello
• 2275[22:44:01] <_Cute_Kitty_> hey
• 2276[22:44:07] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> Debian expert :P ?
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• 2279[22:44:41] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> I have a problem and can't get it solved ( yes get it solved on old debian version )
• 2280[22:44:42] <_Cute_Kitty_> no
• 2281[22:44:46] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> ./spearhead_lnxded
• 2282[22:44:46] <_Cute_Kitty_> but what's the problem?
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• 2284[22:45:00] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> i'm running gameservers long time ago
• 2285[22:45:16] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> and now i want run that gameserver service again but.... can't get it working on debian 9
• 2286[22:45:37] <tdn> I have dumped an image of some partitions on a machine using 'dd'. I want to be able to safely recover any partition if need be. And also re-create them all including the partition table/MBR if need be. How do I save the GPT and MBR? And will GRUB continue to work when recovered?
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• 2289[22:46:16] <JPT> tdn: If you dd'ed the whole disk, you can simple throw that image into a loopdevice (mkloop) and run partprobe on that.
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• 2292[22:47:50] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> can;t get it done :(
• 2293[22:48:23] <kale> darkkkkkkkkkkk: you most likely get an error message...
• 2294[22:48:31] <JPT> darkkkkkkkkkkk: You need to focus on providing information that enables us to help. What did you do? What errors did you get? What did you try to mitigate the errors?
• 2295[22:48:43] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> eehmz thats the only thing i get ?
• 2296[22:48:47] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> i can i see more ?
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• 2298[22:49:08] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> i only run ./spearhead_lnxded and that lines i copy is the only thing i see
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• 2312[22:55:17] <kale> darkkkkkkkkkkk: where did you get the binary from?
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• 2315[22:55:37] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> @kale the gameserver you mean ?
• 2316[22:55:52] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> from the server i used for lan party's and where it runs smoothly
• 2317[22:55:53] <kale> yes
• 2318[22:56:01] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> but i also have a server on datacenter with debian 9
• 2319[22:56:06] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> so i copy past it to there
• 2320[22:56:09] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> and won't runt
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• 2323[22:56:28] <warsoul> hi
• 2324[22:56:35] <warsoul> i have windows intalled all ready in my hd
• 2325[22:56:50] <warsoul> how can i install debian now without format?
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• 2327[22:57:58] <SerajewelKS> darkkkkkkkkkkk: you need to give us more information. you were asked to give us an error message from the program but you haven't.
• 2328[22:58:07] <SerajewelKS> all you've said is "can't get it working"
• 2329[22:58:11] <SerajewelKS> !doesn't work
• 2330[22:58:11] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 2331[22:58:39] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> sergiotarxz[m] i understand that you want error message but thats the only thing i see... how can i provide more ?
• 2332[22:58:55] <SerajewelKS> darkkkkkkkkkkk: WHAT is the only thing you see?
• 2333[22:59:06] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> root@webserver:/home/servers/mohsh/server1# ./spearhead_lnxded
• 2334[22:59:18] <SerajewelKS> and then what? another prompt? anything at all?
• 2335[23:00:04] <kale> darkkkkkkkkkkk: sorry i do not do copy/paste on *nix, i use cp or scp or tar. coud you try one of those instead?
• 2336[23:00:08] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> replaced-url
• 2337[23:00:10] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> check
• 2338[23:00:26] <SerajewelKS> darkkkkkkkkkkk: okay so you lied
• 2339[23:00:34] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> ..
• 2340[23:00:38] <SerajewelKS> darkkkkkkkkkkk: there is an error message there (glibc detected an invalid stdio handle)
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• 2343[23:00:46] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> maybe read ?
• 2344[23:00:48] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> i cop[y that
• 2345[23:00:50] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> 2 times now
• 2346[23:01:00] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> root@webserver:/home/servers/mohsh/server1# ./spearhead_lnxded
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• 2348[23:01:11] <SerajewelKS> you're only pasting the first line
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• 2350[23:01:17] <SerajewelKS> or your IRC client is truncating the message
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• 2352[23:01:22] <SerajewelKS> all i see is "root@webserver:/home/servers/mohsh/server1# ./spearhead_lnxded"
• 2353[23:01:35] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> lol
• 2354[23:01:42] <SerajewelKS> this is all anyone else has seen as well which explains why we keep asking for an error message
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• 2357[23:02:11] <SerajewelKS> out of curiosity, which IRC client are you using? :P
• 2358[23:02:26] <_Cute_Kitty_> who
• 2359[23:02:28] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> web
• 2360[23:02:41] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> look : replaced-url
• 2361[23:02:43] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> i send it :P
• 2362[23:02:44] <SerajewelKS> hmm. must be a bug in the web client then.
• 2363[23:02:51] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> thats why i didn;t understand provide more info lol
• 2364[23:02:52] <Habbie> known issue in the new freenode web client, yes
• 2365[23:02:59] <SerajewelKS> yeah don't use the web client
• 2366[23:02:59] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> :D
• 2367[23:03:15] <Habbie> also don't paste multiline things into channels in general
• 2368[23:03:16] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> never use irc but try this to fix this allong time so i gues maybe someone on irc
• 2369[23:03:21] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> Sorry
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• 2371[23:03:47] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> so the error : Fatal error: glibc detected an invalid stdio handle
• 2372[23:04:03] <warsoul> is kde the best for debian?
• 2373[23:04:03] <kale> darkkkkkkkkkkk: i would suggest to go to the source of the program, make a tarball of the software, transfer that, untar and see if that helps
• 2374[23:04:08] <_Cute_Kitty_> so i still haven't figured out why a couple of apps won't open unless run as sudo through terminal
• 2375[23:04:12] <SerajewelKS> !best
• 2376[23:04:13] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 2377[23:04:14] <SerajewelKS> warsoul: ^
• 2378[23:04:16] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> already did
• 2379[23:04:27] <kale> darkkkkkkkkkkk: what do you get when you run file on the executeable?
• 2380[23:04:34] <SerajewelKS> darkkkkkkkkkkk: it sounds like the binary is compiled against a super-old glibc
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• 2382[23:05:00] <SerajewelKS> darkkkkkkkkkkk: newer glibc might not support it at all. you may not be able to use newer debian releases.
• 2383[23:05:01] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> Debian EGLIBC 2.13 it works
• 2384[23:05:01] <warsoul> SerajewelKS: ???
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• 2387[23:05:14] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> not working : Debian GLIBC 2.24
• 2388[23:05:20] <SerajewelKS> warsoul: see dpkg's message. "best" is subjective, define what you mean.
• 2389[23:06:02] <warsoul> can i download debian with kde?
• 2390[23:06:15] <SerajewelKS> warsoul: KDE is available in debian, yes
• 2391[23:06:57] <warsoul> where can i download debian with kde
• 2392[23:07:02] <kale> darkkkkkkkkkkk: is the system where this runs also debian, if so chechk if libcompat is installed
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• 2394[23:07:44] <frederigo> ‏warsou apt install kde
• 2395[23:08:02] <darkkkkkkkkkkk> @kale how ?
• 2396[23:08:15] <kale> dpkg --list|grep compat
• 2397[23:08:15] <dpkg> no idea, kale
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• 2401[23:09:18] <SerajewelKS> i'm not familiar with this "libcompat" and whatever it is, there doesn't seem to be a debian package for it
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• 2403[23:10:36] <SerajewelKS> anyway, my guess is you need to use an older glibc or get whoever created this binary to build and test it on a modern linux
• 2404[23:10:38] <tdn> JPT, yeah, but I want to be able to recover the partitions individually. Also, there are a few partitions I do not want.
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• 2406[23:12:25] <warsoul> what image of debian i should download?
• 2407[23:12:49] <SerajewelKS> that depends on things like your architecture and whether you want to be able to perform the installation without an internet connection
• 2408[23:13:19] <SerajewelKS> and if you are installing on a physical machine, whether you intend to use a DVD or CD
• 2409[23:13:32] <baraquiel> warsoul you can download a generic image for your architecture. During the installtion, the wizard will ask you for your desktop environment
• 2410[23:13:33] <warsoul> i will use usb
• 2411[23:13:53] <baraquiel> If your usb is big enough, i suggest you a full image
• 2412[23:14:04] <SerajewelKS> warsoul: if amd64 and you have an internet connection, you can use the amd64-netinstall
• 2413[23:14:17] <warsoul> what size will be?
• 2414[23:14:22] <warsoul> yes this pc has internet
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• 2416[23:14:32] <SerajewelKS> for netinstall, a few hundred MB
• 2417[23:14:34] <baraquiel> By the way, if you use wifi, it may not work during the installtion process
• 2418[23:14:42] <_Cute_Kitty_> can I get some help. why won't synaptics package manager open unless through terminal with sudo command
• 2419[23:14:46] <_Cute_Kitty_> double clicking does nothing
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• 2422[23:15:21] <SerajewelKS> _Cute_Kitty_: run it in the terminal without sudo, tell us what the output is
• 2423[23:15:22] <SerajewelKS> !paste
• 2424[23:15:22] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 2426[23:16:09] <_Cute_Kitty_> the output is nothing! it juyst opens the app
• 2427[23:16:12] <_Cute_Kitty_> oh
• 2428[23:16:27] <_Cute_Kitty_> without sudo synaptics will open but will give me a warning that it can't change anything because i don't have root privileges
• 2429[23:16:33] <_Cute_Kitty_> but it still opens just fine through terminal!
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• 2432[23:16:46] <humpled> is this on mint?
• 2433[23:16:54] <_Cute_Kitty_> no debian
• 2434[23:16:56] <warsoul> i only need to download this image? debian-10.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
• 2435[23:17:15] <LtL> _Cute_Kitty_: try gksu or gksudo
• 2436[23:17:27] <humpled> pkexec is the bee's knees now
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• 2438[23:17:27] <SerajewelKS> warsoul: no, that CD is optimized to have XFCE packages
• 2439[23:17:46] <SerajewelKS> warsoul: if you are doing the netinstall it should just be debian-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
• 2440[23:18:01] <warsoul> no i dont want netinstall
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• 2442[23:18:36] <pasiz> but you want xfce?
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• 2444[23:19:04] <warsoul> dont think so
• 2445[23:19:27] <warsoul> if i need it in the future can i install it?
• 2446[23:19:32] <LtL> warsoul: replaced-url
• 2447[23:19:41] <pasiz> xfce is window manager
• 2448[23:19:51] <warsoul> desktop?
• 2449[23:20:09] <baraquiel> xfce is also a desktop environment
• 2450[23:20:11] <pasiz> see ^ LtL link to get the default installer
• 2451[23:20:17] <LtL> warsoul: choose your DE during install
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• 2453[23:20:32] <warsoul> LtL what is DE?
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• 2455[23:20:48] <warsoul> is kde better than xfce?
• 2456[23:21:03] <LtL> warsoul: desktop environment, you want KDE
• 2457[23:21:05] <pasiz> Desktop Environment
• 2458[23:21:21] <pasiz> by default debian have gnome
• 2459[23:21:50] <pasiz> if you have no idea what to install, i suggest default install
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• 2461[23:22:25] <warsoul> pasiz ok thanks
• 2462[23:22:40] <LtL> warsoul: KDE, XFCE, GNOME, etc., all a matter of personal preference
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• 2464[23:23:10] <_Cute_Kitty_> xfce best
• 2465[23:23:33] <pasiz> i prefer i3
• 2466[23:23:40] <pasiz> or awesome
• 2467[23:24:26] <pasiz> but everything in DE is just opinions, there is no better than other. Someone likes mother, someone daughter...
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• 2469[23:27:26] <LtL> warsoul: if you happen to have hardware that needs special firmware, then you should use the unofficial dvd including firmware.
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• 2471[23:28:37] <LtL> warsoul: replaced-url
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• 2473[23:30:03] <LtL> warsoul: if this is a laptop, wifi, or newer hardware i suggest the firmware*.iso
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• 2485[23:42:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> Why is Firefox still eating up all memory and thrashing swap in buster? I've had this issue for ages.
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• 2488[23:43:27] <Eduard_Munteanu> I've set /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory to 2, maybe it helps.
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• 2495[23:44:37] <Eduard_Munteanu> It can't be that hard to limit resources per tab or something.
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• 2504[23:51:22] <SerajewelKS> Eduard_Munteanu: how much RAM and swap do you have?
• 2505[23:51:40] <SerajewelKS> Eduard_Munteanu: can you pastebin "free" output?
• 2506[23:51:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> SerajewelKS, 6 GiB RAM, 8 GiB swap.
• 2507[23:52:08] <Eduard_Munteanu> replaced-url
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• 2509[23:52:33] <Bitx> how do i compress ram?
• 2510[23:52:34] <SerajewelKS> guessing this is not while the system is having issues?
• 2511[23:52:34] <Eduard_Munteanu> It's fine right now, but usage climbs with time, especially on some websites like Facebook.
• 2512[23:52:36] <epsilon> are you using many tabs or big web application?
• 2513[23:52:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> SerajewelKS, right
• 2514[23:52:53] <SerajewelKS> Bitx: if you have a swap partition, turn on zswap. if you don't have a swap partition, zram might work well.
• 2515[23:53:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> epsilon, it happens with just a few tabs open, but bigger stuff like Facebook
• 2516[23:53:11] <Bitx> can we have ipfs on ram drive?
• 2517[23:53:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> It takes time to occur.
• 2518[23:53:20] <SerajewelKS> Eduard_Munteanu: you could try turning on zswap and see if it helps, though it will only help if you run close to the edge of swap, not GBs into it
• 2519[23:53:27] <epsilon> hm, top and check the ram usage by application?
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• 2521[23:53:55] <Eduard_Munteanu> When this happens, Firefox does use a lot of memory and swap, yes. Also a lot of CPU.
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• 2524[23:54:13] <SerajewelKS> Eduard_Munteanu: the CPU is probably iowait
• 2525[23:54:38] <SerajewelKS> assuming load is only high when the system starts swapping
• 2526[23:54:38] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oddly, it's sometimes triggered by closing certain tabs.
• 2527[23:54:55] <Bitx> there used to be an internet site that lended you some extra ram
• 2528[23:55:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> :)
• 2529[23:55:15] <LtL> Eduard_Munteanu: do you have any or some extensions installed in FF? That's a typical culprit.
• 2530[23:55:24] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yes, let me see...
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• 2532[23:55:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> The only enabled extensions are HTTPS Everywhere and Video Downloader (which I installed recently)
• 2533[23:56:24] <Bitx> FFS aka FireFoxSucks
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• 2535[23:56:49] <LtL> Eduard_Munteanu: no idea what those are but disable them, restart FF and see what happens.
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• 2537[23:57:11] <Bitx> opera GX is better
• 2538[23:57:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ok. I'll also try the Refresh Firefox thing again.
• 2539[23:57:41] <Bitx> and you can set it up to use just 1g of ram
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• 2542[23:58:03] <Bitx> or only 50 per cent of cpu
• 2543[23:58:15] <SerajewelKS> Eduard_Munteanu: having it triggered by closing a tab does make sense, in some cases. if that tab's memory was mostly swapped out, in order to shut down cleanly, the tab may need access to some or all of that memory so it'll swap the tab's memory back in (probably causing other stuff to swap out) before finally freeing the memory.
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• 2547[23:58:28] <Bitx> great for mining monero and dont get a slugish system
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• 2549[23:58:39] <SerajewelKS> Eduard_Munteanu: this is a case where zswap could help (but might not)
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• 2551[23:59:15] <Bitx> replaced-url
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