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180[02:05:48] <ZaZaGX> hi
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189[02:10:04] <ZaZaGX> i dislike Ubuntu
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198[02:15:03] <sleepingforest> welcome to debian
199[02:15:35] <ZaZaGX> thanks
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216[02:23:38] <jim> ZaZaGX, do you have a debian installed? if not, do you want help getting one?
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226[02:26:41] <ZaZaGX> jim, yes i have debian installed
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229[02:26:52] <ZaZaGX> at first i had debian firmware non free installed
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231[02:27:11] <ZaZaGX> than i decided to format and use the official iso
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236[02:30:06] <bmomjian> I just upgraded to Buster and bind9 started but couldn't resolve anything because of 'dnssec-validation auto' in named.conf.options. Is this expected? I host my own domain.
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261[02:44:56] <mikeymop> can someone tell me where 'adduser' is located?
262[02:45:02] <mikeymop> apt says it's already installed but it's not in my path
263[02:45:09] <mikeymop> and usermod isn't a packge in debian repos?
264[02:45:39] <annadane> on buster, "whereis adduser": adduser: /usr/sbin/adduser /etc/adduser.conf /usr/share/adduser /usr/share/man/man8/adduser.8.gz
265[02:45:49] <annadane> mikeymop, try becoming root with su -
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270[02:46:36] <annadane> this has tripped up so many people and we get 9 billion questions a day about it...
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274[02:49:14] <mikeymop> yea I did su
275[02:49:16] <mikeymop> was root
276[02:49:21] <mikeymop> /usr/sbin wasn't in roots path by default
277[02:49:25] <mikeymop> it was in sbin
278[02:49:37] <annadane> su -, not su
279[02:49:44] <annadane> or su -l
280[02:49:47] <mikeymop> I got it going already
281[02:49:49] <mikeymop> just su works too though
282[02:49:56] <mikeymop> normally I do su -i
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285[02:51:53] <annadane> ...what is su -i?
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287[02:54:15] <jim> annadane, spawn a root shell
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289[02:54:44] <jim> oh, that's actually suDO -i
290[02:55:07] <annadane> right, not su
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349[03:45:55] <ZedHeadTed|> Do you guys accept MX Linux questions?
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352[03:49:20] <peterrooney> dpkg: mxlinux
353[03:49:20] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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366[03:59:50] <ZedHeadTed|> 10-4. Thanks.
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447[05:11:20] <eblip> hey i added my user to a group..but when i type groups the group does not show up
448[05:11:30] <eblip> but when i look in /etc/group i am in the group
449[05:11:40] <karlpinc> eblip: You need to logout and back in.
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453[05:12:02] <eblip> hmm, if i just close and open a terminal will that suffice
454[05:12:05] <karlpinc> eblip: (The thing to type is "id".)
455[05:12:17] <eblip> in what way karlpinc
456[05:12:23] <eblip> "id" ?
457[05:12:26] <karlpinc> eblip: Probably not. Try it.
458[05:12:56] <eblip> wow id is a nice command
459[05:13:04] <karlpinc> eblip: id is the most informative and readily available comand to tell you about your login info.
460[05:13:59] <karlpinc> eblip: (But don't type commands given you by strangers without first knowing what they do. "man" is your friend, as is "man less".)
461[05:14:20] <eblip> yes ok
462[05:14:35] <karlpinc> Anyway, try opening a new window. I don't expect it to pick up the group.
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464[05:15:04] <karlpinc> eblip: You could login on another vt.
465[05:15:05] <karlpinc> !vt
466[05:15:05] <dpkg> methinks vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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468[05:15:49] <eblip> ah good idea karlpinc ill try that
469[05:16:50] <eblip> that works ..i am now in the group
470[05:17:05] <eblip> thanks karlpinc
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480[05:24:54] <metbsd> please give me a vpn setup howto on latest debian
481[05:24:56] <metbsd> thanks
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544[05:54:20] <eblip> hey there is a document about installing tor on debian stretch but not buster
545[05:54:33] <eblip> do you think it will be ok to follow the stretch procedure
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551[05:58:05] <karlpinc> eblip: Does it say to install the "tor" package? If so, then probably. The real thing to do is to read the readme.debian in the tor package.
552[05:58:10] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
553[05:58:10] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
554[05:58:22] <eblip> ah ok
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557[05:58:42] <filpAM> Some package has "[residual-config]" how do I remove it?
558[05:59:10] <filpAM> The package is: linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64
559[05:59:21] <karlpinc> filpAM: That's what the "purge" apt/aptitude/apt-get/etc operation does, remove config files.
560[05:59:38] <filpAM> oh ok
561[05:59:44] <karlpinc> (I guess it's called "purge" in apt, I'm not sure.)
562[06:00:01] <karlpinc> Yep, purge.
563[06:01:07] <karlpinc> eblip: And, of course, do whatever else every tor user has to do. In other words, you may also need to read the tor instructions.
564[06:01:31] <eblip> YES ok thanks
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569[06:02:54] <filpAM> A while ago I tried to upgrade kernel but it broke the gui, (the xfce bright control didn't work anymore) so I downgraded. I was using the testing, but now I switched to buster
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571[06:03:44] <filpAM> *testing repo
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577[06:05:37] <ZaZaGX> hi
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604[06:26:25] <annadane> eblip, tor or tor browser, they're two separate things
605[06:26:36] <annadane> tor browser USES the tor network but it's two separate things
606[06:26:48] <eblip> i was just gonna use tor...but they keep advising against it
607[06:26:53] <eblip> so both
608[06:26:57] <annadane> who is they
609[06:27:10] <eblip> the tor project ..the debain people on tor
610[06:27:12] <eblip> eveyrone
611[06:27:33] <annadane> well, i don't know what conversations you had so i can't really tell one way or another
612[06:27:44] <eblip> on another machine i have firefox set up to go through tor...but its not properly secure
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614[06:28:19] <eblip> no sorry..not conversations ...every website or tor page or debian tor article or ubuntu tor article any and every tor article advises against it
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616[06:28:58] <eblip> i havent found any tor article for any linux that doesnt state ..not to do it
617[06:29:09] <annadane> tor browser in stretch is in stretch-backports-sloppy and in buster it's in regular backports
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619[06:29:20] <eblip> ah ok thanks
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621[06:29:45] <annadane> and not to use tor for... what? just in general? because that seems silly
622[06:30:09] <eblip> something about when you use tor via chrome or firefox that it makes you vulnerable
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624[06:30:29] <annadane> i don't have the technical knowhow to say one way or the other
625[06:30:30] <eblip> you can attach to the tor network via those browsers using the SOCKS PROXY
626[06:30:47] <annadane> i have a vague recollection it may be insecure but that may just be my memory being bad
627[06:30:56] <eblip> but there are ways to trace back to you ..unless you use the actual tor browser
628[06:31:25] <eblip> it doesnt bother me ..i normally onlyuse tor when i want to look at a site that is restricted out of my country or that has torrents or something
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631[06:31:57] <eblip> but for any critical stuff, if you use chrome or firefox ..others can trace your origin
632[06:32:11] <annadane> so, anyway, both tor and tor browser are packaged for both stretch and buster in various forms
633[06:33:02] <eblip> thats good to know...i have switched to debian ..so now have to get used to doing things the debian way ..and cant really go at it like a bull in a china shop as these are work machines
634[06:33:30] <annadane> tor itself is in both buster and buster-backports
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636[06:33:52] <annadane> tor browser is only available via stretch-backports-sloppy (in other words, sloppy meaning taken from current testing) and buster-backports
637[06:33:58] <eblip> yes i got the tor ...but then i read the docs and though ..hmm maybe i should do it properly
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639[06:34:15] <eblip> and use the tor browser bundle
640[06:34:24] <annadane> for web browsing you don't really need tor itself, just the browser
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642[06:34:39] <eblip> ah ok.
643[06:34:55] <eblip> i got tor as initially i was going to set up chrome and firefox to use it
644[06:34:58] <annadane> people use tor for running their own relay, for example
645[06:35:02] <annadane> and i'm not sure what other uses it has
646[06:35:09] <eblip> hacking
647[06:35:15] <eblip> possibly
648[06:35:33] <annadane> well not necessarily hacking, i don't know to what extent you can use it manually as an internet-connecting-pathway or whatever
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650[06:35:49] <annadane> though i'm sure you can
651[06:36:06] <eblip> if i was going to hack a bank, id rather use someone elses internet and tor on top of that
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656[06:37:35] <eblip> not that i would have a clue
657[06:37:51] <annadane> my only direct knowledge of tor is people use the browser to internet surf and the tor network itself to route connections and to run relays for the network
658[06:38:01] <annadane> but i don't know a whole lot about it, i'm sure my knowledge is incomplete
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660[06:39:51] <annadane> one thing i would look for is say firefox's documentation on using torsocks
661[06:40:00] <annadane> if the official source says not to do it, you probably shouldn't d it
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663[06:40:21] <annadane> (i assume you're using firefox to browse
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689[07:00:54] <oblivian> Hi again
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698[07:05:55] <hiya> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: <-- how to fix these issues on Debian 9 once and for all?
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704[07:08:52] <jim> hiya, I dunno, just guessing. maybe none of your installed locales is marked as "default"
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706[07:09:26] <hiya> jim: how to fix it?
707[07:09:33] <hiya> it is so irritating
708[07:09:48] <jim> dunno
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710[07:10:04] <jim> it's also possible you don't have any locales
711[07:10:27] <jim> let's see,
712[07:10:35] <jim> ,v locales
713[07:10:36] <judd> Package: locales on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; bullseye: 2.28-10; buster: 2.28-10; sid: 2.28-10
714[07:10:51] <hiya> ok
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716[07:11:00] <hiya> I would install it
717[07:11:13] <hiya> jim: are you a system admin?
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719[07:11:21] <jim> ok, try (as root): dpkg-reconfigure locales
720[07:11:30] <jim> I admin my system, yes!
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722[07:11:48] <hiya> PM u? I need something.
723[07:12:24] <jim> I'm finishing up something right now
724[07:12:37] <hiya> It would need some time if you agree
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728[07:13:35] <jim> in the middle of something at the moment
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730[07:14:07] <hiya> np
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813[08:13:43] <McErroneous> HI , i am looking for old qemu documentation for Ubuntu , or debian . cant find anything older that qemu version 2. I am looking for Qemu 0.12 , or 0.14 or 0.15....
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815[08:14:06] <ninja> man qemu ?
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819[08:14:51] <McErroneous> need more of a detailed reference manual...
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823[08:16:27] <McErroneous> similar to replaced-url
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826[08:17:03] <McErroneous> to me..
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829[08:18:13] <McErroneous> a plain pdf, or plain text file would be fine...
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872[08:34:27] <oblivion> Any of you limit battery charge? (on laptops)
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875[08:35:34] <hyper_ch2> hi there, for some reasons vim is set as default editor in my debian installation and I can't alter it. I did run update-alternateives --config editor (nano was auto-selected) and I also added export EDITOR=nano to the .bashrc file. But when I login as user and do echo $EDITOR it still shows as vim
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884[08:38:32] <hyper_ch2> I also added export EDITOR=nano ot the .profile file but still shows as vim and uses vim
885[08:38:42] <hyper_ch2> (or wants to use it because it's not installed)
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892[08:41:21] <oblivion> There's probably a way to edit that through a gui, if you have a gui that is
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894[08:41:42] <humpled> what says ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor
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896[08:42:01] <humpled> i don't think alternatives and environment variables are the same thing btw
897[08:42:02] <hyper_ch2> oblivion: it's headless server
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899[08:42:52] <hyper_ch2> virsh edit .... just errors out because of lacking vim and I have no idea how to change it to nano
900[08:43:27] <humpled> also what says ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim, since vim.tiny is present by default i think
901[08:43:27] <oblivion> I see. I've always just used the command to edit stuff. 'vim text.txt' or nano 'config.cfg' . Never occured to me there's a default for headless
902[08:43:39] <hyper_ch2> humpled: I'll check in a minute or two. Rebooting server because of upgrades
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911[08:44:35] <humpled> echo $EDITOR says nothing on my machines, headless or not
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914[08:45:40] <hyper_ch2> humpled: ls: cannot access '/etc/alternatives/vim': No such file or directory
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920[08:46:36] <hyper_ch2> simple solution would be: cd /bin && ln -s nano vim
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923[08:47:19] <humpled> what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor say?
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930[08:50:04] <hyper_ch2> humpled: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Oct 20 2018 /etc/alternatives/editor -> /bin/nano
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934[08:54:05] <alkisg> hyper_ch2: what happens when you run this command? EDITOR= sensible-editor /etc/adduser.conf
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936[08:54:14] <alkisg> This unsets EDITOR and uses the default one from the alternatives system
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940[08:57:26] <humpled> personally i don't understand where $EDITOR is set or used
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948[08:58:26] <alkisg> sensible-editor /etc/adduser.conf => uses $EDITOR; it's up to the user to set it if he really wants it
949[08:58:41] <alkisg> But for system-wide changes, alternatives are better
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951[09:01:38] <tarzeau> humpled: as user of bash .bashrc or .profile (i never know), .zshrc is what i use
952[09:01:47] <humpled> ah thanks, didn't know about /usr/bin/sensible-editor
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957[09:02:28] <humpled> it is not set on those in my bash tarzeau
958[09:02:34] <oblivion> Are you desktop or laptop people?
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960[09:04:55] <dev> Hello! is it possible to speed up localhost? I've reached some limit, I can't call send/recv more than 160k/sec (using epoll), though cpu is relaxing (< 2 cores of 8 is used)
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962[09:06:01] <oblivion> Oh man yes but my memory is failing me.
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964[09:06:34] <oblivion> It was something like, sending stuff to a specific socket instead. That would speed it up
965[09:06:48] <oblivion> Or the other way around. I hope that helped but it probably didn't..
966[09:07:10] <alkisg> dev, I don't know about epoll, but `iperf -c localhost -r` here reports 50 gbps, so I don't think localhost has any speed limits...
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996[09:29:04] <fritzroy15> hello, I'm trying to install postgresql-10 on debian-10, but I keep getting hit with replaced-url
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999[09:29:39] <fritzroy15> I'm confused, the versions look to be alright
1000[09:29:52] <fritzroy15> can't understand it's complaining about
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1005[09:33:55] <dev> fritzroy15, use docker
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1010[09:35:22] <dev> fritzroy15, one line to install/start postgres in 30 sec: docker run --network host -e POSTGRES_PASSWORD=mysecretpassword -d postgres
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1013[09:37:37] <fritzroy15> dev i am using docker; I'm prepairing a build image from the official ruby 2.6.3 release that's based on debian 10;
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1015[09:37:52] <fritzroy15> dev so I have to add postgres to that
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1018[09:38:51] <no_gravity> Sometimes my Debian machine gets into a state where starting a new process is super slow. While already running processes run normally.
1019[09:38:57] <no_gravity> Any idea how to figure out why?
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1021[09:39:19] <no_gravity> Anything is slow, like running "top" or even just "clear" to clear the screen.
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1023[09:39:27] <no_gravity> Once "top" runs, it seems to act normally.
1024[09:40:13] <oblivion> Are you connected locally or via ssh?
1025[09:40:22] <no_gravity> oblivion: Via ssh.
1026[09:40:25] <oblivion> **locally or remote
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1028[09:40:29] <no_gravity> Also logging in via ssh then is super slow.
1029[09:40:34] <oblivion> Could be slow connection?
1030[09:40:38] <no_gravity> Nope
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1032[09:41:18] <oblivion> Can you compare starting something from ssh vs locally?
1033[09:41:29] <no_gravity> No, it's a VM in the cloud.
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1039[09:42:16] <no_gravity> Somehow my gut feeling is that Debian uses all memory for caching and when a new process is started, it first has to make room for it via swapping or something.
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1042[09:43:31] <oblivion> See anything running 'journalctl -xe' as root? I use that when stuff isn't working the way it's supposed to
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1046[09:43:56] <oblivion> Sometimes there's an error in there that might help or point at something
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1050[09:45:22] <no_gravity> That outputs over a thousand lines.
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1054[09:46:07] <oblivion> Well, yeah. Any errors or warnings?
1055[09:46:49] <no_gravity> grepping for "error" and "warning" comes back empty.
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1059[09:47:19] <Fox> maybe you have IOwaits
1060[09:47:49] <no_gravity> Fox: Inded. I do have a ton of IOwait because there is heavy disk access going in.
1061[09:47:57] <fritzroy15> no one? :(
1062[09:48:01] <Fox> then don't look for anything else
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1064[09:48:09] <Fox> that's your problem
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1067[09:48:28] <no_gravity> Fox: That could be.
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1069[09:49:23] <Fox> you could have 20 CPUs if you have lots of IOs your system will be slow
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1071[09:49:26] <no_gravity> Fox: I have a process consuming 100% of the disk all of the time.
1072[09:49:47] <Fox> that's the real problem, is it really supposed to eat all IOs ?
1073[09:50:05] <no_gravity> Fox: In the main loop I have put a line now that tells it to sleep 1s if the cpu load is >1.
1074[09:50:22] <no_gravity> I might also make it sleep if disk usage is at 100% but not sure how to measure that.
1075[09:50:40] <alkisg> no_gravity: maybe just run it with `nice`; this also internally uses something like ionice too
1076[09:50:51] <no_gravity> alkisg: That could be an idea.
1077[09:50:51] <alkisg> man nice
1078[09:51:42] <no_gravity> alkisg: just "nice mycommand"?
1079[09:52:02] <alkisg> Right, the defaults are usually ok, test if first, and only try finetuning if things are not a lot better
1080[09:52:26] <alkisg> E.g. there's also the option to use ionice with priority idle, but that will make the command too slow then
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1082[09:53:05] <no_gravity> Running it with nice now. Will see how that impacts the machine.
1083[09:53:08] <no_gravity> Thanks a lot!
1084[09:53:11] <alkisg> np
1085[09:53:12] <oblivion> Did you know your disk was basically overloaded before you asked your question no_gravity?
1086[09:53:28] <no_gravity> oblivion: Yup. But didn't make the connection.
1087[09:53:41] <Fox> no_gravity: when running top look a the CPU(s) line and watch the wa value
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1089[09:53:45] <alkisg> no_gravity: also if you are running things like backups, you might use this command: nocache
1090[09:53:52] <Fox> that will tell you if you have IOwaits
1091[09:54:05] <alkisg> This will tell the backup not to cache its disk activity, so that it doesn't invalidate the other more useful cache
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1093[09:54:58] <no_gravity> Even now that I run the command with "nice", starting top took 10s or so.
1094[09:55:13] <no_gravity> Fox: Yes, wa oscilates between 1 and 50.
1095[09:55:23] <no_gravity> alkisg: What does nocache do?
1096[09:55:39] <alkisg> no_gravity: try this extreme: nocache nice ionice -c3 command
1097[09:55:50] <alkisg> This runs your command with the lowest slices possible
1098[09:56:01] <alkisg> If this doesn't fix it, ignore all those nice commands then
1099[09:56:10] <no_gravity> alkisg: Well, it's not a big problem if starting top takes a while. As long as I can connect to the machine all is fine.
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1101[09:56:26] <no_gravity> alkisg: But I also had it, that it got so unresponsive I had to hard reset it.
1102[09:56:58] <alkisg> That doesn't sound like intense disk activity, it sounds more like out of ram or plain hanging
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1105[09:57:41] <no_gravity> alkisg: Most of RAM is used by linux for caches. The actual applications do not use much.
1106[09:58:05] <alkisg> no_gravity: linux caching doesn't impact performance, it only helps, not make things worse
1107[09:58:08] <no_gravity> alkisg: "cache disk activity"?
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1109[09:58:41] <alkisg> I think you need to read up on what caching is; you think it hurts performance when it doesn't
1110[09:58:43] <no_gravity> alkisg: I would expect bypassing the OS caching would make things damn slow. Let me try.
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1112[09:59:12] <no_gravity> alkisg: bash: nocache: command not found
1113[09:59:20] <alkisg> You need to install it then
1114[09:59:36] <no_gravity> alkisg: Oh! Now that I think about it, neither nice nor nocache will have an impact.
1115[09:59:48] <alkisg> How so?
1116[10:00:07] <no_gravity> alkisg: Because all the disk IO is caused by MySQL which the application talks to. So not by the application itself.
1117[10:00:20] <alkisg> :)
1118[10:00:29] <alkisg> Then you'd need to run mysql with nice ;D
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1121[10:00:47] <alkisg> You can also nice a pid, to test
1122[10:01:02] <alkisg> man renice
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1129[10:04:56] <uio> Hi! Is it true that xfce4 in Debian will not be 4.14 for a a looooong time? replaced-url
1130[10:05:10] <annadane> you're linking to sid
1131[10:05:21] <annadane> sid probably will have 4.14 soon, but stable, you have to wait
1132[10:05:29] <annadane> until bullseye
1133[10:07:12] <uio> annadane, I'm linking to sid because even in sid it says 'xfce4 (4.12.5)', but I don't really know how testing stuff works...
1134[10:07:29] <uio> In Jessie, for example, it says 'xfce4 (4.10.1)'
1135[10:07:32] <annadane> sid isn't testing
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1137[10:07:43] <uio> What is sid?
1138[10:07:46] <annadane> 4.14 was just released, give it a little time, but it should be in sid soon
1139[10:07:47] <annadane> sid is unstable
1140[10:07:51] <uio> Ah.
1141[10:07:52] <annadane> testing is bullseye, currently
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1143[10:07:56] <uio> Okay.
1144[10:08:27] <uio> Regardless, both list 4.12.5 (as does buster),
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1146[10:08:45] <uio> So, unstable can take in updates?
1147[10:08:50] <annadane> yep
1148[10:08:57] <uio> While testing cannot?
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1150[10:09:08] <annadane> packages are transferred to testing after about 10 days
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1152[10:09:14] <annadane> if there aren't RC bugs
1153[10:09:17] <uio> Okay.
1154[10:09:30] <uio> And then at a certain point testing is 'frozen'?
1155[10:09:36] <uio> To become stable?
1156[10:09:45] <annadane> during freeze in the months leading up to the release of the next stable, yes
1157[10:09:56] <uio> Okay. That makes sense!
1158[10:10:06] <uio> But no hope of getting that in Buster?
1159[10:10:16] <annadane> unless someone backports it, no
1160[10:10:23] <uio> Okay.
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1163[10:10:46] <uio> Cool. Thanks for the info. I was just excited to see a new xfce4 after 5 years. It should be good.
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1167[10:11:53] <annadane> MATE gets regularly backported but i've never seen it happen to xfce
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1171[10:12:02] <annadane> it's a volunteer effort
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1178[10:13:39] <uio> That makes sense. I mean, to be honest, other than some external monitor stuff, I find xfce pretty great. I tried out MATE the other day, but something was up and the desktop wasn't happy.
1179[10:13:56] <barnezk> hey guys how are you ? sorry to disturb just wondering if someone called solozerk is coming here sometimes
1180[10:14:11] <uio> I'll just wait another two years before I start using 4.14.
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1222[10:30:22] <Guest9629> Hi
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1226[10:32:05] <Guest9629> I have a directory with thousands of files and dirs . How can I move the first 20s to another location.?
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1228[10:32:35] <vitalinux> hi everybody
1229[10:32:58] <nkuttler> Guest9629: define first
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1231[10:33:12] <Guest9629> hi vitalinux
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1234[10:33:57] <zamuro> replaced-url
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1239[10:37:08] <phil-i> zamuro>: I have already tested that and i get
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1241[10:37:29] <phil-i> mv: cannot stat ': No such file or directory
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1249[10:40:53] <ninja> Guest11161: ls > foo && mv $(head -n20 foo) destination_dir
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1251[10:43:17] <phil-i> thanks ninja what is foo for?
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1253[10:44:01] <ninja> phil-i: foo is just a file created when you run this command, you can delete it afterwards
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1260[10:47:40] <alkisg> phil-i: this also works if filename have spaces; remove "echo" to make it actually mv instead of echo:
1261[10:47:40] <alkisg> i=0; for f in /path/to/source/*; do i=$((i+1)); test "$i" -gt 10 && break; echo mv "$f" /path/to/target/; done
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1268[10:50:19] <j__> Hello.
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1271[10:50:38] <j__> Can anyone confirm whether the archive.debian.org archive for stretch is broken?
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1274[10:51:57] <phil-i> Thank you alkisg and ninja
1275[10:52:01] <alkisg> np
1276[10:53:27] <j_wrok> I get "E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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1279[10:55:15] <alkisg> j_wrok: stretch isn't in archive yet, it's still supported
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1281[10:55:26] <alkisg> j_wrok: try: replaced-url
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1283[10:56:38] <j_wrok> "E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1284[10:56:43] <j_wrok> That doesn't sound correct.
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1286[10:57:32] <alkisg> j_wrok: you have a wrong entry in your sources.list and you need to fix it. Stretch isn't in archive.debian.org.
1287[10:57:37] <alkisg> !sources.list stretch
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1290[10:57:49] <alkisg> ...or something like that :D
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1293[10:58:10] <j_wrok> ok. thanks.
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1309[11:06:00] <well_laid_lawn> ,v stretch
1310[11:06:01] <judd> No package named 'stretch' was found in amd64.
1311[11:06:36] <BCMM> well_laid_lawn: um, what?
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1314[11:07:21] <well_laid_lawn> you seem to be trying to ask something there but I don't know what...
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1317[11:08:16] <BCMM> that was pretty much how i was feeling
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1325[11:12:27] <uio> Hi. I'm testing out MATE (I hadn't done the full install before, that's why it wasn't working). Quite liking it! Easy to change stuff and customise a bit. A few things though: I was able to set 'terminal' shortcut to be mod4+T (windows key+T), but can't make 'caja' mod4+F. Why not?? Also, how can I move or remove applets? Really nice, just wanting to change a few things. Thanks.
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1343[11:19:53] <uio> Also, can't seem to get notifs to be in the upper right-hand corner despite changing those settings...
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1345[11:20:44] <ZaZaGX> I'm wearing an Ubuntu t-shirt right now. but I'm using Debian 10. Is there such thing as an official debian t-shirt?
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1349[11:21:11] <uio> ZaZaGX, Traitor!!!
1350[11:21:17] <uio> I hope there aren't.
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1352[11:21:34] <uio> Maybe there is a DIY one?
1353[11:21:40] <uio> That would be more Debian style.
1354[11:21:49] * alkisg is using ubuntu right now (ok and 3 debian VMs) and wearing a debconf shirt :D
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1356[11:21:51] <ZaZaGX> oh i found a website
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1359[11:22:07] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
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1361[11:22:35] <uio> So, it's not the notifs actually, it's the sound and brightness that don't seem to want to follow the notif settings. Is this an example of where MATE is less configurable than XFCE?
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1364[11:23:43] <uio> This is why I think Debian has something good going on: 'Being a non-profit organization, we don't make or sell anything ourselves.'
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1366[11:24:28] <uio> As opposed to some other distros... eg. replaced-url
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1371[11:24:58] <ZaZaGX> i have never used manjaro before
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1373[11:25:05] <ZaZaGX> i might of live usb flash drive it once
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1379[11:26:15] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
1380[11:26:20] <ZaZaGX> i gotta admit, thats pretty cool
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1383[11:26:42] <garo> When you install the current debian stable without swap-partition, will something like /swapfile be created when running out of memory ?
1384[11:26:47] <ninja> somebody had trouble with screen brightness?
1385[11:27:10] <uio> Also, re MATE, with the external monitor, the laptop brightness is descreased after a given time, but it doesn't come back when I move the mouse!
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1387[11:27:51] <ninja> mate has some script which does some abnormal things for brightness.
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1389[11:28:06] <uio> ninja, Ah.
1390[11:28:43] <ninja> when I was using it, it auto turned on my keyboards backlight.
1391[11:28:50] <uio> ninja, Thanks for the info. I dunno. I kind of like MATE in that some themeing is easier than in XFCE, but I think it has a few too many little issues like this that would piss me off.
1392[11:29:05] <uio> ninja, What do you use now?
1393[11:29:13] <uio> i3 or some such?!
1394[11:29:22] <ninja> replaced-url
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1397[11:29:36] <uio> dwm!
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1399[11:29:39] <ninja> its from suckless but I patched it.
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1401[11:29:44] <uio> Okay.
1402[11:29:45] <oiaohm> garo: replaced-url
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1404[11:29:59] <uio> I think our needs are different. Probably our skill levels too.
1405[11:30:02] <j_wrok> Everyone patches dwm. That's how it works.
1406[11:30:05] <oiaohm> garo: also running the Linux kernel with no swap at all is fool hardy.
1407[11:30:26] <uio> Well. I think I'll stick with XFCE. MATE is pretty good, but I don't know if I can do it.
1408[11:30:33] <oiaohm> garo: There are different Linux kernel structures that depend on being able to push bits of it to swap to in fact defrag kernel memory.
1409[11:30:41] <ninja> j_wrok: it works without patches too. but everyone doesn't need it patchless
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1412[11:31:11] <oiaohm> garo: having swap does not mean have a disc partition there are options like zram to have swap in ram.
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1414[11:31:28] <uio> Well, cheers! Heading back to XFCE!
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1416[11:31:34] <ninja> what are you needs uio ?
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1418[11:31:51] <ninja> xfce4 is been developed?
1419[11:32:16] <ninja> I think it was not developed after 2014
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1421[11:32:45] <ZaZaGX> debian thongs... weird
1422[11:32:57] <j_wrok> XFCE is active.
1423[11:33:06] <oiaohm> ninja: xfce 4.14 was just released 2 days ago.
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1425[11:33:29] <ninja> Today, after 4 years and 5 months of work, we are pleased to announce the release of the Xfce desktop 4.14, a new stable
1426[11:33:51] <ninja> oiaohm: yeah just checked it after that statement I made.
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1428[11:34:05] <oiaohm> ninja: its not been the fastest development.
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1431[11:34:31] <ninja> dunno why I dont like DEs
1432[11:34:57] <ninja> maybe they install much bloatware which leads me to complete reinstall of OS
1433[11:35:38] <ninja> I made a repository which is pretty much what I need for a new install.
1434[11:35:42] <oiaohm> I am watching xfway what is someone taking the xfce ideas and redoing them on wayland.
1435[11:36:00] <ninja> and I have more than 1000 fonts files there.
1436[11:36:14] <ninja> so I don't have to worry about fonts from OS.
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1438[11:36:39] <oiaohm> font management is something that serousally need work.
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1440[11:37:15] <garo> I was just wondering because some debian-based distro's also have a file /swapfile in the real filesystem in case you run out of memory and don't have swap. (Ubuntu has this, Mint doesn't, don't know about others...)
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1442[11:37:46] <alkisg> garo: the installer creates it and writes an /etc/fstab entry; it's not done dynamically on every boot
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1446[11:38:23] <Abdullah> Thinking about having a free shell and moving ~/.weechat there.
1447[11:38:29] <j_wrok> Wayland sucks on built-in VGA and consumes laptop battery.
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1449[11:38:43] <j_wrok> I've reverted to Xorg. Xorg also is faster.
1450[11:39:55] <oiaohm> garo: there is a package you can decide to add to have dynamically sized swap space. replaced-url
1451[11:39:58] <Abdullah> There is sway but I think isn't mature yet.
1452[11:39:59] <ZaZaGX> oh, i like Wayland. it feels faster and snappyier
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1456[11:40:40] <garo> k thanks
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1458[11:40:45] <oiaohm> garo: generally its not a hyper great a idea to have unlimited swap space if a program goes nuts.
1459[11:41:29] <oiaohm> garo: because you go from killed applications by OOM killer due to out of memory to crash due to out of disc space that can result in even worse data loss.
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1461[11:42:04] <oiaohm> garo: lot of ways pick a size of swap space set it up and be happy is the right way more often than not.
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1465[11:42:42] <j_wrok> Definitely not faster and snappier on built-in VGA
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1467[11:42:53] <j_wrok> Even on avery recent i7 cpu.
1468[11:43:18] <oiaohm> j_wrok: you will have to wait and see on that one. There is a major update coming to intel drivers.
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1470[11:44:05] <j_wrok> I will definitely not wait. I am happily running Xorg and plan to run it for a long time yet. DWM will not support wayland any time soon anyways.
1471[11:44:36] <oiaohm> j_wrok: replaced-url
1472[11:44:51] <j_wrok> And I mostly use laptops, so the battery issue is still a thing. My gpu has mostly the 3d engine spun off.
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1476[11:45:55] <oiaohm> j_wrok: its the normal find and fixing bugs problems. Until something can demo the fault the fault sits there.
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1479[11:46:57] <ZaZaGX> whoa, i use HDMI
1480[11:47:04] <oiaohm> If wayland solutions or x.org solutions are faster is also multi factor thing as well. Like kde and gnome and sway in wayland all perform different.
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1482[11:47:11] <ZaZaGX> people still use CRT monitors?
1483[11:47:25] * tarzeau doesn't. but i've seen them in the serverroom
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1485[11:47:44] <oiaohm> ZaZaGX: I have some LCD screens with VGA in and no hdmi.
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1487[11:48:06] <ZaZaGX> i guess i feel spoiled. i have a more recent laptop
1488[11:48:09] <tarzeau> oiaohm: we also have still a lot of VGA/DVI, but both are being depreciated for DP/HDMI/miniDP
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1490[11:48:56] <tarzeau> vga and dvi are very limited for resolution, so going (mini)dp/hdmi allows 4k+ resolutions
1491[11:48:56] <oiaohm> tarzeau: I am not talking old. I have screens harded for industral usage.
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1495[11:49:13] <oiaohm> They are like brand new with only VGA interface.
1496[11:49:46] <oiaohm> Standards take quite some time to disappear off the market.
1497[11:49:48] <ZaZaGX> time to upgrade
1498[11:50:12] <tarzeau> oiaohm: floppy disappeared finally! our new computers hardly come with optical drives
1499[11:50:38] <ZaZaGX> I still know people who use cassette tapes
1500[11:50:39] <oiaohm> tarzeau: floppy emulators I have used tones of.
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1502[11:51:04] <tarzeau> still pc (ibm compatible) computers come with soundcard, but no built-in speakers (not the pc speaker thing, a real speaker like macos or sun hw had by defualt, since 20+ years)
1503[11:51:07] <oiaohm> tarzeau: I mean that if you put them on a bridge they serousally would be tones.
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1505[11:51:17] <oiaohm> weigh bridge that is.
1506[11:51:33] <tarzeau> ZaZaGX: i didn't say i don't, c-64 and amiga might be popular, but not at work, in the office nor labs
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1508[11:51:53] <oiaohm> Still remember having to find a source for a 12 inch floppy emulator for a particular location.
1509[11:52:01] <oiaohm> Really really old mainframe still in usage.
1510[11:52:20] <tarzeau> oiaohm: because of no migration path? still supported by vendor?
1511[11:52:44] <ZaZaGX> i remembered playing Oregon Trail on a Macintosh
1512[11:52:55] <tarzeau> i'm glad i've gotten rid of all IDE interfaced disks, and all with SATA now
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1514[11:53:00] <oiaohm> tarzeau: it was kept going because the program running it it was still producing results and the source code was lost.
1515[11:53:17] <oiaohm> tarzeau: that was a reversing headache.
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1517[11:53:28] <ZaZaGX> geez, you people need to upgrade
1518[11:53:53] <tarzeau> oiaohm: but you sure knew what data the program got, and what it gave as output? what kind of data it processed? text? graphics? other?
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1521[11:54:07] <oiaohm> ZaZaGX: its not just upgrade. Make sure you have the source code to you key software you have.
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1526[11:55:09] <oiaohm> tarzeau: It was an other. Output by cnc wet sand into shape.
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1529[11:55:59] <oiaohm> tarzeau: and that is not exactly the simplest material to dependany cnc.
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1533[11:57:27] <oiaohm> ZaZaGX: really old stuff you find doing some really wacky and hard to replace stuff at times.
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1536[11:57:37] <tarzeau> oiaohm: what if the hw dies today?
1537[11:58:31] <oiaohm> tarzeau: the modern software reimplementation would be usable but it still manages to screw up 1 in 4 times.
1538[11:58:42] <oiaohm> tarzeau: where the old one is about 1 in 2000.
1539[11:59:05] <tarzeau> heh crazy...
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1541[11:59:13] <oiaohm> Basically it still working out the finer details.
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1543[11:59:16] <ZaZaGX> oh no
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1550[12:01:25] <oiaohm> Basically the old machine failing now would not put the business out of business. Since they would just need to run more of the newer ones.
1551[12:01:57] <oiaohm> But at the start it was 2000 to 1. Ie 2000 failures for every single success in the new machine. If the old machine failed then that would have been death to the business.
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1555[12:02:26] <tarzeau> oiaohm: the business web page or the products they make is what?
1556[12:02:32] <Abdullah> so got irc working on a shell, I hope now it will be okay
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1558[12:03:01] <Abdullah> but its fucking slow
1559[12:03:23] <Abdullah> I have written three messages and still I see first message hope :-(
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1562[12:04:13] <oiaohm> tarzeau: I cannot remember the company name of head. but they are special in one off custom molding in different compost materials. The sand is basically the base shape you work up from.
1563[12:04:34] <oiaohm> tarzeau: if the base shape is wrong everything on top is screwed.
1564[12:05:22] <oiaohm> The sand is great because it simple to remove after the process is done.
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1567[12:07:41] <oiaohm> tarzeau: I should remember the name because I remember doing a CNC conversion on there on a over 200 year old lathe for other things.
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1570[12:08:25] <oiaohm> tarzeau: its just one of those things of human memory its just not comming.
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1603[12:31:11] <jak2000> hi all
1604[12:31:15] <jak2000> why cant install curl? replaced-url
1605[12:31:16] <jak2000> thanks
1606[12:31:54] <alkisg> jak2000: try `sudo apt update` first
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1617[12:36:32] <jak2000> done....
1618[12:36:51] <jak2000> alkisg know where onwload jdk 8u222 ? i try oracle and is hard...
1619[12:37:41] <alkisg> replaced-url
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1625[12:38:37] <ninja> curl I think was updated, today or yesterday
1626[12:38:42] <ninja> in testing.
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1670[13:02:59] <Artigiano> replaced-url
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1682[13:07:36] <jak2000> alkisg its 8u212 but the 8u222
1683[13:07:37] <jak2000> ?
1684[13:07:40] <jak2000> thanks
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1713[13:24:04] <mmilin> Hello. Is anyone here using syslinux/extlinux ?
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1725[13:28:18] <mmilin> I wanted to ask, can I somehow 'instruct' scripts when installing new kernel to make symlinks to /boot/vmlinuz instead of /vmlinuz ?
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1858[14:32:37] <^CaptainFantasti> has debian 9, character table (Zeichentablelle ) like ubuntu 19? thanks
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1867[14:36:33] <alkisg> ^CaptainFantasti: replaced-url
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1875[14:39:23] <^CaptainFantasti> alkisg: thanks guy
1876[14:39:28] <alkisg> np
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1884[14:45:03] <Haxxa> Any ideas why after deleting a zfs zvol free space doesn't increase? Is it a slow process?
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1965[15:26:13] <brutser> fresh install of d10+xfce, when reboot (or shutdown) i get an error window: unable to contact settings server dbus abnormally without any error message, something like that < what can be causing this?
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1993[15:37:32] <Irulan> Hello. Since I upgraded to buster, squid crashes each night after / during logrotate run
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1995[15:38:34] <Irulan> replaced-url
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1999[15:39:20] <Irulan> should I report a bug ?
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2003[15:42:37] <nkuttler> Irulan: try modifying the logrotate config to verify it's related?
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2007[15:44:09] <Irulan> If I run logrotate manually, squid doesn't crash
2008[15:44:19] <vitalinux> I have tried to install gnome characters but it can't be found anywhere, any advice?
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2014[15:51:25] <BCMM> vitalinux: what have you tried so far? it should be possible to just do `apt install gnome-characters`
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2016[15:51:39] <nkuttler> ,v gnome-characters
2017[15:51:40] <judd> Package: gnome-characters on amd64 -- stretch: 3.22.0-1; bullseye: 3.30.0-2; buster: 3.30.0-2; sid: 3.30.0-2; experimental: 3.32.1-1
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2023[15:55:28] <Dark> can someone help me out with this issue. replaced-url
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2025[15:55:58] <vitalinux> Alright thanks it works now
2026[15:56:08] <tarzeau> Dark: just add #include <cstring> ?
2027[15:56:13] <tarzeau> in main.cc
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2029[15:56:40] <AlexNagySchool> Hey guys, I'm trying to boot from a DVD image I wrote to usb using dd. When plugging in the USB it looks like proper installation media (Debian 10, fwiw). However, I'm trying to install it in UEFI mode (non-secure boot) but it's a no go. Any ideas?
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2031[15:58:03] <Dark> tarzeau, let's see
2032[15:58:22] <BCMM> AlexNagySchool: where does it go wrong? are you booting in legacy bios mode, or failing to boot at all, or booting but something goes wrong afterwards?
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2034[15:59:43] <Dark> tarzeau, which line do I insert that at?
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2036[16:00:28] <AlexNagySchool> BCMM: I go into the bios, make sure it's set to UEFI, make sure secure boot is off/disabled, f10 to save and exit, hit f12 to select boot menu, select the usb drive. It says boot device does not exist (despite it being securely inserted). I'm in my Linux Mint installation right now in legacy mode. Gparted reports that the usb disk has the boot flag on. On the disk there is an EFI folder.
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2038[16:01:13] <tarzeau> Dark: at the very top next to the other includes
2039[16:01:22] <Dark> ah okay
2040[16:02:01] <Dark> tarzeau, same error
2041[16:02:04] <Dark> let me pastebin the change
2042[16:02:55] <Dark> replaced-url
2043[16:03:12] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: did you dd to e.g. /dev/sdb, or to /dev/sdb1?
2044[16:03:33] <AlexNagySchool> I dd'd to /dev/sdb1 (which may be the problem?)
2045[16:03:39] <alkisg> Yup
2046[16:03:41] <alkisg> It's /dev/sdb
2047[16:03:50] <AlexNagySchool> ah. fixing that now. thanks (:
2048[16:03:53] <alkisg> And make sure it's unmounted
2049[16:03:54] <tarzeau> Dark: right next to include<iostream> put it there, retry
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2051[16:03:57] <alkisg> before running dd
2052[16:04:04] <Dark> ok
2053[16:04:07] <AlexNagySchool> ofc, alkisg. I'm not a total n00b ;)
2054[16:04:31] * alkisg isn't a noob either, but has forgotten it a couple of times :D
2055[16:04:59] <AlexNagySchool> indeed (: I appreciate it, was just trying to lighten my mood a bit.
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2057[16:05:13] <Dark> damn same error
2058[16:06:10] * AlexNagySchool returns to lurk while dd does its thing
2059[16:06:40] <Dark> tarzeau, Don't know but it's the same error doing the change.
2060[16:06:49] <tarzeau> Dark: dunno, ask the guy who wrote it
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2062[16:06:56] <Dark> hes dead
2063[16:07:00] <Dark> in freebsd I can install it fine.
2064[16:07:14] <tarzeau> with g++ ? what version? or clang++ ?
2065[16:08:06] <Dark> with g+
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2072[16:10:42] <Dark> tarzeau, can you change it for me?
2073[16:10:48] <Dark> I Have try it all
2074[16:10:50] <Dark> and is not working
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2076[16:11:12] <tarzeau> is this a debian package or not? where is the homepage of the thing?
2077[16:11:35] <Dark> since the owner of the project died.
2078[16:11:44] <Dark> the package was remove
2079[16:11:57] <Dark> replaced-url
2080[16:12:02] <Dark> the only working version
2081[16:13:39] <tarzeau> Dark: /me gets replaced-url
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2083[16:13:53] <Dark> I hope you can fix it ;*)
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2086[16:14:11] * tarzeau run ./autogen.sh then ./configure, now make
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2092[16:15:18] <drsagan2001> hello debian users! I am attempting to increase the timeout and retries of apt-get using apt.conf so that it will work with my corp. internet proxy. I've tried to determine how to set the Timeout and Retries using some things I have found on Google, but nothing works so far. apt-get upgrade will try to download but doesn't get very far before it gi
2093[16:15:19] <drsagan2001> ves up.
2094[16:15:31] <tarzeau> Dark: also fails for me, sorry :(
2095[16:15:45] <Dark> yeah I don't know why in freebsd it installs fine
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2099[16:18:14] <tarzeau> Dark: what g++ --version they have?
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2101[16:18:33] <Dark> let me check
2102[16:19:18] <Dark> g++ (FreeBSD Ports Collection) 9.1.0
2103[16:19:24] <Dark> that version
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2107[16:20:40] <tarzeau> and there it works
2108[16:20:50] <Dark> it runs smoothly
2109[16:20:51] <tarzeau> did you check their port system? maybe they have some magical patch?
2110[16:21:00] <Dark> nope
2111[16:21:08] <Dark> I download the version from the site
2112[16:21:09] <Dark> I give you
2113[16:21:21] <tarzeau> ah and build it from source
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2115[16:22:04] <Dark> yea
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2117[16:23:05] <Dark> I wish I was a coder.
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2119[16:23:57] <tarzeau> Dark: you can become one?
2120[16:24:03] <Dark> too late for me
2121[16:24:11] <tarzeau> why?
2122[16:24:15] <hwm4rgs> I taught my grandfather python, it's not.
2123[16:24:16] <tarzeau> you're 80?
2124[16:24:24] <Dark> I'm not good with math
2125[16:24:31] <tarzeau> you don't have to be good with math
2126[16:24:38] <Dark> lol
2127[16:24:39] <tarzeau> you have to be good to learn new things
2128[16:24:41] <Dark> stop lying
2129[16:24:45] <tarzeau> it's true
2130[16:24:56] <Dark> you need to b a math wiz
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2134[16:25:35] <hwm4rgs> You do realize there are tons of coders in here that aren't math wizards?
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2139[16:27:00] <Haohmaru> when i was learning about pointers in C++ i still didn't know wtf is "modulo"
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2143[16:27:27] <Dark> Haohmaru, if you know C
2144[16:27:39] <Haohmaru> i didn't go thru C at all
2145[16:27:44] <Dark> can you help me out to fix the issue with the package I was trying to install
2146[16:27:44] <Haohmaru> who dafuq uses C even
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2171[16:35:32] <zprd> hi, I have no success in nginx auth pam on buster, foloowed more or less this article replaced-url
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2174[16:35:40] <zprd> any ideas where to look?
2175[16:35:48] <zprd> any hint
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2181[16:38:46] <pasiz> zprd: i suggest looking that article. If you like to have help, please provide more information where your setup goes sideways...
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2187[16:39:19] <zprd> pasiz: the setup of the article does not work for me
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2191[16:40:00] <tachikomas> Hello debian community. Any idea why the packages nsca-ng-server and nsca-ng-client are not available for buster ?
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2193[16:40:07] <tachikomas> but available everywere else
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2195[16:40:26] <no_gravity> I just saw my debian machine die! Last thing that happened was "kworker/2:2+eve" was 100% CPU and another one "Swap0" or something was at 50%. And now it is not respoinding to anything anymore. Any ideas what happened?
2196[16:40:58] <pasiz> zprd: how the article is not working?
2197[16:41:09] <zprd> pasiz: no
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2200[16:41:32] <pasiz> zprd: you cannot read it or what is the problem
2201[16:41:39] <zprd> edited in 2014 though
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2204[16:42:08] <zprd> hah no, the article is readable the configuration it describes is not working
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2208[16:42:46] <zprd> pasiz: nginx says 401 on login attmepts
2209[16:43:15] <pasiz> zprd: how you assume that it is not working if you can have 401 from it
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2211[16:43:38] <pasiz> zprd: that means that you have not authenticated and therefore you cannot access the content
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2214[16:44:35] <zprd> pasiz: 401 is for failed auth, and that is what I got
2215[16:44:53] <zprd> {"message":"Invalid username or password"}
2216[16:46:23] <pasiz> and no log input why your authentication is failed?
2217[16:46:38] <zprd> [14/Aug/2019:16:39:33 +0200] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 401 42 "-" "curl/7.64.0"
2218[16:46:40] <zprd> simple 401
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2221[16:46:52] <pasiz> zprd: on pam side
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2224[16:47:18] <zprd> auth.log says nothing
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2227[16:47:29] <pasiz> pam logs to syslog
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2230[16:48:02] <zprd> hmu
2231[16:48:04] <zprd> let me look
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2234[16:48:34] <Grefoley> Hi, is there a way to clear the cache of apt but for only one repo to force the update of only this package ? The ideal is to not download the last information about all packages
2235[16:48:41] <pasiz> grep pam from /var/log/messages /var/log/secure
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2237[16:49:04] <tachikomas> Grefoley: why do you want to do this ?
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2240[16:49:58] <Grefoley> because i have an internal repo with only one packeg that i want to upgrade and i do not want to overload the proxy for my server
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2245[16:51:23] <Akuw> finished script
2246[16:51:27] <Akuw> all working
2247[16:51:28] <zprd> pasiz: no result with a grep, but the app (grafana-server) I proxied to is login failed attempts
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2249[16:51:46] <zprd> tha might be it
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2253[16:53:12] <pasiz> Grefoley: by manually on fs maybe?
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2257[16:53:51] <zprd> I didn't expect grafana answering to auth
2258[16:54:22] <tachikomas> well you can specify the package you want to upgrade
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2262[16:55:18] <AlexNagySchool> Okay, alkisg , for whatever reason Mint is being an ass. I have a 16GB thumb drive inserted, dd'ing to /dev/sdb (no other drives inserted), yet it runs out of space after 3.6GB being wrote? and if I remove/reinsert Thunar picks up the drive as completely empty with 15.7GB free.
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2266[16:56:28] <AlexNagySchool> and popping it over to windows shows 14.5GB free. I feel like something bad-wrong is happening and I have no clue what questions to even ask at this point.
2267[16:56:40] <jard> ‏e tank nozzeles aren't tanks
2268[16:56:45] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: what's the output of sudo fdisk -l, sudo gparted -l, sudo lsblk --fs ?
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2271[16:57:55] <AlexNagySchool> also, before I run those: the drive gets labeled as debian 10.0.0 amd64 (from the first time I tried running it, I ruined that thumb drive, I'll have to recover it later).
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2273[16:58:29] <jard> ‏debian 10 buged don't use it
2274[16:58:45] <pasiz> AlexNagySchool: 2^10 in windows, your drive is specified with si units on marketing
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2277[16:59:15] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: btw, how large is the dvd you're trying to write? More than 3.6?
2278[16:59:18] <AlexNagySchool> pasiz not the issue here, I know. Been dicking around with Linux and Windows for a very long time now.
2279[16:59:56] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg, 3.8GB dvd image
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2281[17:00:10] <alkisg> Are you sure it wasn't written, and it's the GB vs GiB difference?
2282[17:00:29] <pasiz> AlexNagySchool: so you blame linux mint for ruining dd and linux block devices?
2283[17:00:30] <AlexNagySchool> yes, removing the drive and reinserting it shows an empty drive
2284[17:00:32] <alkisg> After writing the dvd, there won't be any space left to write; it's a read-only file system
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2286[17:00:37] <alkisg> OK, run the commands then
2287[17:00:43] <zprd> pasiz: thx for the pointers
2288[17:00:47] <AlexNagySchool> I am, alkisg
2289[17:01:05] <zprd> I wanted a pre-auth step I have more
2290[17:01:18] <AlexNagySchool> pasiz I'm not blaming anyone fucktard. I said something bad-wrong has happened, 10/10 user error for sure.
2291[17:01:19] <pasiz> zprd: you are welcome.
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2294[17:01:43] <pasiz> AlexNagySchool: did you unmount the thumbdrive before dd?
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2298[17:03:42] <pasiz> userland on most distros automatically mounts all partitions that are on the thumbdrives. And writing with dd on block device where partitions are mounted is not wise idea...
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2300[17:04:59] <pasiz> -->
2301[17:05:28] <AlexNagySchool> pasiz; I'm working with alkisg, thanks though.
2302[17:07:01] <AlexNagySchool> / alkisg: fdisk shows /dev/sda; gparted -l errored saying no device 'l' exists, however running gparted from the menu (and entering the password for sudo that way) shows /dev/sdb as 3.8GB (not true); lsblk -l shows the same thing as windows with the incorrect label
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2304[17:07:56] <AlexNagySchool> And pasiz to answer your question: Originally I did not, like a dumb-dumb. However, I'm not working with that now fucked up thumb drive (which I'll recover later).
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2314[17:15:38] <AlexNagySchool> replaced-url
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2318[17:17:10] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: there's no sdb in those commands
2319[17:17:12] <Abdullah> if dist-upgrade can upgrade from stretch to buster, why isn't debian rolling release?
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2321[17:18:05] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg there's no sdb in what you asked me to run, either, though I didn't run lsblk exactly as requested.
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2323[17:18:24] <alkisg> fdisk -l shows all the disks; it only showed sda
2324[17:18:44] <Abdullah> maybe he has only sda
2325[17:18:45] <AlexNagySchool> and gparted showed none, and lsblk showed sdb
2326[17:18:52] <alkisg> parted -l, not gparted, sorry
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2328[17:19:27] <alkisg> You can use paste.debian.net to paste text quickly and avoid screenshots
2329[17:19:55] <Abdullah> alkisg: paste.debian.org support syntax highlighting and images?
2330[17:20:11] <alkisg> Abdullah: we rarely ask for images here...
2331[17:20:39] <Abdullah> I'm just asking, but lemme check it
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2334[17:21:08] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: anyway, in the lsblk -l (it should be --fs) output, it shows the device as mounted; you're saying the contents of /media/jnagyjr/Debian are empty?
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2342[17:24:21] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg yes
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2344[17:25:13] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: let's see: ls /media/jnagyjr/Debian*; df -h; lsblk --fs
2345[17:25:19] <alkisg> Put those to paste.debian.net
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2348[17:26:26] <AlexNagySchool> >,<
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2350[17:26:36] <AlexNagySchool> if you'll give me a minute...
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2357[17:28:20] <AlexNagySchool> from earlier: replaced-url
2358[17:28:25] <AlexNagySchool> and now, for the last one
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2361[17:29:29] <AlexNagySchool> replaced-url
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2376[17:34:31] <galaxie> Hi, I'm attempting to switch wi-fi channels with 'iw dev <dev> set channel 1' but it fails with operation not supported -95. Is that because my network card cannot do that? It works on my other machine.
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2380[17:35:34] <galaxie> And yes, I switched to monitor mode successfully.
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2391[17:39:40] <jelly-home> galaxie: perhaps channel "1" is not a valid value for that radio?
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2393[17:40:11] <jelly-home> (eg. there's no channel 1 on 5GHz)
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2395[17:40:38] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: which cd is that? using exfat? what was the .iso name?
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2397[17:41:22] <galaxie> jelly-home: I can't use any value whatsoever. Furthermore, iw dev on my other machine lists the channel.
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2400[17:41:58] <AlexNagySchool> debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
2401[17:42:03] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg, ^^
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2403[17:42:29] <AlexNagySchool> the thumbdrive is formated with exfat (for Windows compatibility)
2404[17:42:48] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: dd IS formatting the drive using the iso9660 file system
2405[17:43:04] <AlexNagySchool> well yes, if it's actually writing to the fs, but as you can see, it has not.
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2407[17:43:28] <srged> I want to skip login at boot, I edited /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf but still doesnt work at all.
2408[17:43:30] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: if you dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb, with sdb1 NOT mounted, then you won't have exfat
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2410[17:43:49] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: well, unless dd shows errors and your usb stick is broken
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2412[17:44:06] <alkisg> If you run dmesg and you see input/output errors, it's that
2413[17:44:42] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: try it again: sudo umount /dev/sdb*; sudo dd if=debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M status=progress
2414[17:44:44] <greycat> autologin should be supported by lightdm. What did you put in the file?
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2416[17:44:54] <alkisg> If you see errors, stop and run dmesg, and if you have input/output errors, throw the stick away
2417[17:45:17] <srged> greycat: well, i edited /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and ... autologin-user=user
2418[17:45:19] <srged> autologin-user-timeout=0
2419[17:45:23] <greycat> replaced-url
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2421[17:45:41] <greycat> one of the responses to that response says it worked on Debian buster
2422[17:46:11] <alkisg> I just tested lightdm autologin in jessie and stretch today, it worked fine
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2425[17:46:45] <AlexNagySchool> umount said /dev/sdb not mounted
2426[17:46:50] <alkisg> That's ok
2427[17:46:53] <alkisg> sdb1 did unmount
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2431[17:47:45] <srged> greycat: as im running debian 10, what user-session should i put ?
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2433[17:48:05] <greycat> I would try "debian" first.
2434[17:48:13] <greycat> or just omit that line altogether
2435[17:48:37] <srged> greycat: if i omit that line then i already tried what is suggedted there
2436[17:49:10] <alkisg> srged: can you pastebin your lightdm.conf?
2437[17:50:35] <srged> alkisg: replaced-url
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2440[17:51:04] <alkisg> srged: you don't have a section over autologin
2441[17:51:06] <alkisg> So it's invalid
2442[17:51:07] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg, replaced-url
2443[17:51:19] <AlexNagySchool> dmesg has no errors
2444[17:51:20] <alkisg> srged: move those under line 89
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2446[17:52:18] <AlexNagySchool> brb
2447[17:52:28] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: dmesg | tail => has nothing?
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2449[17:52:35] <srged> alkisg: ok i did that, brb rebooting
2450[17:52:39] <alkisg> srged: no
2451[17:52:43] <alkisg> sudo service lightdm restart
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2453[17:52:45] <alkisg> Is enough
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2455[17:53:11] <Dark> damn I wish I could run waimea under Debian
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2460[17:54:47] <srged> alkisg: it worked now. thnaks !!
2461[17:54:50] <alkisg> np
2462[17:55:24] <karlpinc> AlexNagySchool: (Don't know what you're dd-ing, but.... You know about the unofficial install images with non-free firmware? See the <firmware images> factoid.)
2463[17:56:37] <AlexNagySchool> replaced-url
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2465[17:57:37] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: eh, with so many messages in dmesg, maybe those came after the dd... try this instead: dmesg | grep -i error | tail
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2473[17:59:57] <AlexNagySchool> nothing relevant alkisg, only errors from before the last dmesg when inserting my thumb drive. I'll gist them in a moment (Firefox on Mint hates gist, ffs)
2474[18:00:15] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: dmesg | grep -i error | tail | nc termbin.com 9999
2475[18:00:23] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: this pastebins automatically
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2478[18:00:29] <alkisg> And shows the result url
2479[18:00:37] <AlexNagySchool> replaced-url
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2481[18:00:52] <AlexNagySchool> I'll just keep chrome open
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2483[18:01:50] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: have you rebooted recently? If you confused the system in the past with dd on mounted system, it could have issues
2484[18:02:04] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: if you reboot and you still see exfat, I'd throw away that stick
2485[18:02:28] <AlexNagySchool> I rebooted after seemingly ruining my second thumb drive. I'll check the drive in Windows.
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2487[18:03:17] <AlexNagySchool> but I'm going to contend it's not the stick. I've had other thumb drives in here identify as Debian 10.0.0 without even having run any commands.
2488[18:03:56] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: maybe you have another usb stick to the back that you forgot about, one that is 4 gb?
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2491[18:04:27] <AlexNagySchool> No. This is on a laptop. I have three usb ports, one of which is being used for a wireless mouse.
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2496[18:04:41] <AlexNagySchool> All of them are on the sides (left-right). None in the back.
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2500[18:05:06] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: so if you remove the stick, sdb disappears from parted -l?
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2510[18:07:18] <AlexNagySchool> sorry, accidentally put the lid down on the laptop.
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2512[18:07:26] <AlexNagySchool> missed any msgs since my last.
2513[18:07:32] <alkisg> (07:05:06 PM) alkisg: AlexNagySchool: so if you remove the stick, sdb disappears from parted -l?
2514[18:07:58] <AlexNagySchool> I'm successfully downloading the debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-xfce.iso directly on to the stick
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2516[18:08:43] <AlexNagySchool> running parted -l now while the iso downloads on Windows.
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2518[18:09:10] <alkisg> Can you format the stick to ntfs for a test?
2519[18:09:23] <alkisg> If exfat disappears, then I agree the stick is ok
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2521[18:10:44] <AlexNagySchool> replaced-url
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2523[18:11:28] <alkisg> AlexNagySchool: if you removed the stick and parted still sees it, it's an issue
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2525[18:11:30] <AlexNagySchool> formatting on Windows right now to ntfs
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2527[18:11:53] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg, yeah, I'm fairly certain on that.
2528[18:12:06] <AlexNagySchool> (and no, I didn't select quick format)
2529[18:12:47] <AlexNagySchool> At least it's not showing in Thunar.
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2561[18:24:03] <AlexNagySchool> lsblk isn't showing it, however.
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2565[18:26:11] <AlexNagySchool> I know what the issue was, for some reason a real file named 'sdb' was created in /dev/
2566[18:26:40] <AlexNagySchool> I did an 'sudo rm /dev/sdb' and inserted a new thumb drive. No issues with disks being mislabeled and it's not improperly showing up in parted.
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2576[18:30:04] <rb1> hi
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2592[18:35:02] <stu314> hi, i'd like to ask some experienced users of buster arm64 on rpi 3b+ some questions regarding the dtb files, overlays and rpi uarts. are there any such users here? :-)
2593[18:35:37] <greycat> !arm
2594[18:35:38] <dpkg> Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. replaced-url
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2597[18:36:50] <AlexNagySchool> format on drive is done
2598[18:36:51] <stu314> grecyat: ? (arm != arm64)
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2600[18:39:02] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg, replaced-url
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2602[18:40:28] <stu314> greycat: you mean that i should join some debian-arm64 channel (there is no such channel on freenode) instead?
2603[18:40:52] <greycat> Or "in addition". Since there are more likely to be people who know ARM stuff there.
2604[18:41:23] <stu314> ok :-) thanks
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2613[18:54:01] <jhutchins_wk> stu314: Not every architecture is going to have a community broad and active enough to support an IRC channel. A lot of stuff still lives on mailing lists and forums.
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2616[18:56:55] <stu314> jhutchins_wk: ok
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2619[18:57:55] <AlexNagySchool> alkisg, replaced-url
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2621[18:58:23] <AlexNagySchool> lunch, then Debian
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2645[19:11:29] <tachikomas> Hello debian channel, Is there any reason that a package could be disponible for an arch for old stable / old old stable, bullseye and sid, but not on buster ?
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2648[19:12:01] <greycat> Yes. Assuming you mean "available".
2649[19:12:05] <greycat> Happens all the time.
2650[19:12:12] <tachikomas> not in the repo
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2652[19:12:23] <tachikomas> nrpe-ng-client / nrpe-ng-server
2653[19:12:30] <greycat> ,v nrpe-ng-server
2654[19:12:31] <judd> No package named 'nrpe-ng-server' was found in amd64.
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2656[19:12:35] <greycat> *sigh*
2657[19:12:55] <greycat> several apt-cache searches later...
2658[19:12:57] <greycat> ,v nagios-nrpe-server
2659[19:12:59] <judd> Package: nagios-nrpe-server on amd64 -- jessie: 2.15-1; stretch: 3.0.1-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3.2.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 3.2.1-2; bullseye: 3.2.1-3; sid: 3.2.1-3
2660[19:13:03] <tachikomas> not the same package
2661[19:13:10] <greycat> Then what is the *actual* package name?
2662[19:13:11] <tachikomas> its nrpe not nrpe-ng :D
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2664[19:13:22] <tachikomas> nrpe-ng-client and nrpe-ng-server
2665[19:13:31] <greycat> ,v nrpe-ng-client
2666[19:13:32] <judd> No package named 'nrpe-ng-client' was found in amd64.
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2668[19:14:43] <tachikomas> sorry nsca-ng-client
2669[19:14:52] <tachikomas> and nsca-ng-server
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2671[19:15:02] <greycat> ,v nsca-ng-server
2672[19:15:03] <judd> Package: nsca-ng-server on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4-1; stretch: 1.5-2; bullseye: 1.6-3; sid: 1.6-3
2673[19:15:23] <greycat> To see why it's not in buster, start with replaced-url
2674[19:15:35] <greycat> [2018-09-09] nsca-ng REMOVED from testing (Debian testing watch)
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2676[19:15:52] <tachikomas> oh, the tracker, thanks
2677[19:16:04] <tachikomas> Ok so its in testing.
2678[19:16:14] <tachikomas> and any chance it will be merged to buster ?
2679[19:16:18] <greycat> No.
2680[19:16:37] <greycat> But someone, maybe even you, could backport it, once #900152 is fixed, if it's not already.
2681[19:16:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2683[19:16:55] <tachikomas> I will take a look at this.
2684[19:17:01] <tachikomas> Thanks a lot
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2688[19:18:38] <greycat> if I'm reading this correctly, that bug was fixed by a new upstream release, which occurred after buster was already frozen
2689[19:18:59] <greycat> ,checkbackport nsca-ng-server
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2691[19:19:00] <judd> Backporting package nsca-ng-server in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
2692[19:19:08] <greycat> You might be able to backport it right now.
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2699[19:23:53] <Akuw> i made a crontab with 2 lines
2700[19:24:07] <Akuw> 22 14 * * * /home/x/QFREE/scripts/connect_vpn.expect
2701[19:24:40] <Akuw> 23 14 * * * /home/x/scripts/ver_action.sh
2702[19:24:52] <Akuw> but second one is never executed
2703[19:25:05] <Akuw> path is ok and i run manually without problems
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2706[19:26:12] <jim> how did you find out it's never executed?
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2708[19:26:38] <jim> oops, irl thing... brb
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2710[19:28:03] <Akuw> jim: dont get log file
2711[19:28:11] <Akuw> my script creates log file
2712[19:28:13] <Akuw> and send mail
2713[19:28:48] <Akuw> i am getting Aug 14 14:23:01 stretch CRON[11889]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
2714[19:29:03] <mureena> yeah because it exits with error
2715[19:29:15] <mureena> what's your shebang line
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2718[19:30:40] <annadane> so wait, you know the first one was executed... how? if you can't receive mail
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2720[19:30:54] <Akuw> first line connect with vpn
2721[19:31:03] <Akuw> and vpn is connected i am checking
2722[19:31:21] <Akuw> but second i run manually and runs ok
2723[19:31:31] <jelly> Akuw: is the /home/x/scripts/ver_action.sh file executable and does it have a valid #! first line?
2724[19:31:31] <Akuw> the problem is when running from contab
2725[19:32:04] <Akuw> jelly: no #!
2726[19:32:08] <Akuw> let me change
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2728[19:32:17] <pete4242> Yes, what jelly says
2729[19:32:18] <jelly> then it's not a valid executable
2730[19:32:58] <jim> doesn't that mean it defaults to sh?
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2733[19:33:29] <greycat> jim: *some* programs will fall back to making a second attempt using sh, when the first attempt to execute a thing fails. Other programs may fall back to something else. Or nothing.
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2737[19:34:18] <greycat> Bash falls back to reading the first 100 bytes or so, checking whether any of them is NUL, and if not, then it falls back to "bash".
2738[19:34:19] <pete4242> It looks like ascii text to the system. Why would it use sh?
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2740[19:34:52] <pete4242> Oh ok
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2743[19:35:14] <pete4242> Akuw: So does it work now?
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2746[19:35:27] <jim> having said all that, you should have a #! line to specify which interpreter you want
2747[19:35:35] <Akuw> wait
2748[19:35:39] <Akuw> i will run
2749[19:35:43] <Akuw> sorry
2750[19:35:43] <greycat> EVERY script should have the correct shebang (#!) line. No exceptions.
2751[19:35:44] <jim> at the very least, it goes to documentation
2752[19:35:44] <jhutchins_wk> That and full paths to any commands or files.
2753[19:35:51] <Akuw> i am changing crontab
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2755[19:35:56] <greycat> Do not rely on the fallback behaviors of random programs.
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2757[19:36:56] <Akuw> what my scripts is connect to vpn, ping to some ip if ok then run an script that verify some host and extranct some info from 17 hosts
2758[19:37:02] <jim> how do you know which program runs, if there's no #! line?
2759[19:37:06] <Akuw> then send by mail all what founds
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2761[19:37:10] <Akuw> ok
2762[19:37:16] <Akuw> first line running
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2765[19:38:01] <jelly> some interactive shells try to interpret a script themselves if there's no shebang ( #! ) line
2766[19:38:03] <greycat> the invisible pink unicorn spins a giant wheel
2767[19:38:27] <Akuw> ok
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2769[19:38:34] * jelly never understood why teaching users that could work was desirable
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2771[19:39:15] <greycat> Ah, it's not the first 100 bytes. It's "the contents of the first line (or up to 80 characters)".
2772[19:39:45] <jim> if it's not known what the behavior would be, you absolutely do need a #!
2773[19:39:53] <Akuw> damm
2774[19:39:58] <Akuw> i put vash
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2776[19:40:04] <Akuw> i will eat something
2777[19:40:07] <Akuw> will be back
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2780[19:41:31] <greycat> replaced-url
2781[19:41:47] <greycat> ^ bash's fallback heuristic.
2782[19:42:07] * jelly falls back, slowly
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2784[19:42:24] <jim> Akuw, one thing, you might find the syntax of bash, or sh (or maybe any shell) to be weird... maybe you should think about learning a non-shell scripting language (perl, python, lua, at least... there are lots more too)
2785[19:42:40] <greycat> I wouldn't suggest perl as a first language.
2786[19:43:00] <greycat> especially not for someone who is completely flummoxed by sh
2787[19:43:09] <jim> is that his first language?
2788[19:43:27] <jelly> I think that might be Spanish
2789[19:43:31] * jelly hides
2790[19:43:53] <jim> so you need #!/usr/bin/spanish?
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2792[19:44:27] <greycat> #!/usr/bin/readmymind
2793[19:44:44] <jelly> ,file bin/dwim
2794[19:44:49] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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2796[19:47:19] <greycat> Going back to the technical for a moment... when you try to run ./foo either from a shell or from find -exec or from xargs or from a C program using execlp() or whatever... if ./foo doesn't have a shebang or a recognized binary header (ELF or a.out), then the kernel returns ENOEXEC ("exec format error") to your program.
2797[19:47:31] <greycat> If your program is a hand-written C program, you will have to handle that yourself.
2798[19:47:53] <greycat> If your program is xargs or find -exec or a few other things, it will usually fall back to trying again with "/bin/sh" or "sh".
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2800[19:48:17] <greycat> If your program is bash, then the fallback is as I described (either bomb out if a NUL occurs before the first newline within the first 80 chars, or fall back to "bash").
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2802[19:48:22] <jim> ok, so no #! and not a binary executable, is actually an error
2803[19:48:31] <greycat> These fallbacks are always the *second* thing tried, and only when the first thing returns ENOEXEC.
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2806[19:49:44] <jim> so that's how it could be that different programs (maybe shells) could decide differently what to run if no #!
2807[19:50:14] <pete4242> What happend if you do #!/bin/rm ? :P
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2809[19:50:55] <greycat> depends on whether /bin/rm exists on your machine ;-)
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2811[19:51:05] <jim> more useful, executable file called readme with /usr/bin/less
2812[19:51:13] <greycat> assuming it does, the kernel will execute "/bin/rm" "your file"
2813[19:51:24] <pete4242> yes
2814[19:51:30] <pete4242> jim: that's a good one
2815[19:52:12] <jim> pete4242, debian packaging pretty often uses #!/usr/bin/make
2816[19:52:31] <jim> pete4242, on the file /debian/rules
2817[19:52:41] <greycat> I think that needs a -f
2818[19:52:52] <greycat> a shebang is allowed ONE (1) argument
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2821[19:53:21] <greycat> so you can have #!/bin/bash -x but you cannot have #!/usr/bin/env bash -x
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2826[19:54:02] <pete4242> jim: What's the point of using make in the shebang? The target clearly already exists?!
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2828[19:54:34] <greycat> pete4242: long ago, the official way to build a package was to run the command "debian/rules binary" from the correct directory
2829[19:54:55] <greycat> debian/rules has +x perms and a #!/usr/bin/make -f (IIRC) shebang, to allow that
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2834[19:56:19] <jim> pete4242, so .../debian/rules is really an executable makefile (but other things are possible)
2835[19:56:45] <greycat> awk scripts, sed scripts are both somewhat common, or were common in the olden days
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2837[19:57:15] <greycat> perl, python, tcl, ruby, etc.
2838[19:57:23] <jim> is debian/rules still a file?
2839[19:57:38] <greycat> as far as I know
2840[19:58:00] <jim> but no longer usually a makefile?
2841[19:58:13] <greycat> pick a package, apt-get source it, look and see
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2844[19:59:26] <alkisg> debian/rules is a makefile based on debhelper
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2846[20:02:07] <jim> greycat, reason I'm asking you, is you said "long ago, the official way to build a package was to run the command "debian/rules binary" from the correct directory",,, did you mean to imply that's no longer the case?
2847[20:02:27] <greycat> the current method is "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc" or something
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2849[20:03:02] <jim> oh... doesn't that run debian/rules clean; debian/rules build; debian/rules binary?
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2861[20:08:48] <jim> (which means those need to work)
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2896[20:27:08] <Akuw> same
2897[20:27:12] <Akuw> Aug 14 15:26:18 stretch CRON[13384]: (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
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2902[20:28:03] <Akuw> i am using msmtp
2903[20:28:15] <Akuw> but when run manually dont get any error
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2912[20:33:00] <rrttyy> Hey guys, I just accidentally chowned my entire root directory to the user. How do I undo this?
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2914[20:33:14] <greycat> What *exactly* did you do?
2915[20:33:15] <rrttyy> command:
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2917[20:33:23] <rrttyy> chown user:user *
2918[20:33:28] <hwm4rgs> rrttyy: You can't.
2919[20:33:30] <greycat> Oh, not recursive? Then there's hope.
2920[20:33:35] <hwm4rgs> but at least you didn't do it recursively
2921[20:33:41] <dvs> yeah
2922[20:33:41] <greycat> Just restore the correct ownerships on each directory one by one.
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2924[20:33:53] <rrttyy> What are the correct ownerships?
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2926[20:34:01] <hwm4rgs> Depends on what they were before you changed them,
2927[20:34:06] <greycat> What directory were you in at the time, and what release of Debian is it?
2928[20:34:15] <rrttyy> Debian stable
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2930[20:34:24] <rrttyy> I was in /root
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2932[20:34:35] <greycat> Oh, then there's nothing that matters.
2933[20:34:49] <greycat> /root is just a dumping ground for whatever you want to put there
2934[20:35:02] <rrttyy> Do I just run "chown root:root *"
2935[20:35:03] <greycat> chown it all to root:root, it'll probably be fine
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2937[20:35:11] <rrttyy> Great, thanks.
2938[20:35:23] <rrttyy> I see now how my initial statement was misleading
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2940[20:35:40] <Akuw> greycat: to run msmtp from crontab i have to provide full path?
2941[20:35:44] <Cyb0ti> Classic XY question?
2942[20:35:50] <greycat> no
2943[20:35:57] <greycat> just ambiguous wording
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2945[20:36:28] <rrttyy> I should have specified /root because it looked like /
2946[20:36:29] <Akuw> echo -e "Subject: Report \r\n\r\n$val" | msmtp -a default jps@gmail.com
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2948[20:37:20] <Akuw> but my cron is not sending mail --> syslog --> (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output)
2949[20:37:38] <Cyb0ti> rrttyy: You must have panicked, a little...
2950[20:37:49] <rrttyy> I did, a lot!
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2952[20:38:10] <rrttyy> I thought this was it, everything's gone!
2953[20:38:30] <rrttyy> And I was really glad the same session was still up
2954[20:38:41] <rrttyy> At least there was hope
2955[20:38:54] <rrttyy> But everything's fine now.
2956[20:38:57] <rrttyy> WHat a rollercoaster
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2970[20:44:35] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: Gee, if only there were some info in the error message that told you it couldn't find an mta.
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2972[20:45:08] <Akuw> but i created an script only with that line anse send mail
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2974[20:45:14] <Akuw> so the problem is another
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2977[20:49:11] <jhutchins_wk> rrttyy: Experience is proportional to data destroyed.
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2980[20:49:31] <dvs> I have more experience so I destroy more data!
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2987[20:51:12] <pasiz> i lost last year 12 tb data pool on almost simultaneous three disk failure, so i'm really experienced now...
2988[20:51:36] <greycat> I think it's not the raw quantity of data, but the importance of the data, that matters here.
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2990[20:52:10] <mtnman> greycat that is the usual case regarding data.
2991[20:52:16] <dvs> pasiz, you're a pro! ;-)
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3031[21:09:25] <annadane> so... people who use ZFS learn nothing? conclusion: BSD users are noobs
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3042[21:12:40] <vir4> hi all. which files I should download or which cpu I should use for install debian latest version (armhf) inside qemu ?
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3055[21:15:39] <vir4> related to replaced-url
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3060[21:20:47] <Peyam> is this a wonderful system? replaced-url
3061[21:21:15] <Peyam> how do I know what c++ version I use? and what do I do to enable c++11 in debian linux?
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3063[21:21:39] <greycat> you could try "c++ --version" for starters
3064[21:22:00] <greycat> I'm not sure if *all* C++ compiler front-ends implement --version but it's a good starting point
3065[21:22:16] <Peyam> greycat, replaced-url
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3067[21:22:22] <Peyam> 2016
3068[21:22:30] <Peyam> 6.3.---
3069[21:22:40] <greycat> sounds like you're on stretch (Debian 9, oldstable)
3070[21:22:48] <greycat> ,v g++
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3090[21:22:49] <judd> Package: g++ on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; bullseye: 4:8.3.0-1; buster: 4:8.3.0-1; sid: 4:8.3.0-1; experimental: 4:9-20181127-1
3091[21:23:04] <Peyam> is strech old stable?
3092[21:23:09] <greycat> yes, for a month now
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3094[21:23:33] <Peyam> I never got that thing with debian and version numbers. Isn't stretch always the unstable one?
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3096[21:23:41] <Peyam> sid is the stable one right?
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3098[21:23:50] <greycat> GODS no
3099[21:23:54] <greycat> !buster
3100[21:23:55] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
3101[21:24:00] <greycat> !sid
3102[21:24:00] <dpkg> [sid] the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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3108[21:24:19] <Peyam> Some stupid ass told me that stretch is always the unstable one and it never change name.
3109[21:24:26] <greycat> that's sid
3110[21:24:53] <Peyam> wait. so sid is the unstable one and all the unstable versions are named Sid?
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3113[21:25:03] <annadane> unstable is always sid, yes
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3115[21:25:15] <greycat> It's not really accurate to talk about "unstable versions". Sid is eternal. Sid is sid. It doesn't have "versions".
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3122[21:26:08] <annadane> stretch is oldstable currently, buster is stable, bullseye will be the next stable but currently testing, and bookworm is too far off to warrant discussion. sid is debian unstable and is always codenamed sid
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3124[21:26:17] <Peyam> okey . Then Now I have version 9
3125[21:26:22] <Peyam> is the current one 10?
3126[21:26:24] <annadane> yes
3127[21:26:32] <greycat> dpkg, stretch->buster
3128[21:26:32] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
3129[21:26:42] <Peyam> does it mean that I have to reinstall everything
3130[21:26:42] <Peyam> ?
3131[21:26:44] <annadane> no
3132[21:26:53] <Peyam> is it dist-upgrade?
3133[21:26:59] <greycat> The bot just told you.
3134[21:27:07] <annadane> read the release notes
3135[21:27:13] <Peyam> yeah you are right greycat
3136[21:27:17] <Peyam> thanks
3137[21:27:27] <Peyam> I'll do it later. I'm happy with this one sodar
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3139[21:27:29] <Peyam> so far
3140[21:27:45] <annadane> you still have 11 months
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3233[22:16:34] <mlshew> I'm unable to use ECDSAP256SHA256 (Algorithm 13) keys in bind for DNSSEC. Other algorithms work just fine, but trying to use zone signing and key signing keys of type ECDSAP256SHA256 results in an error messages of "ECDSA_do_sign failed (sign failure)", "error:100F809E:elliptic curve routines:ECDSA_sign_setup:random number generation failed:../crypto/ec/ecdsa_ossl.c:90:", and "error:100F902A:elliptic curve routines:ossl_ecdsa_sign_sig
3234[22:16:35] <mlshew> :ECDSA lib:../crypto/ec/ecdsa_ossl.c:213:". Does anyone have any suggestions on this, or suggestions on who/where I should ask before opening a bug report? Thanks!
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3236[22:16:50] <mlshew> Oh, this is for debian buster.
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3242[22:19:47] <adeel> i have a specific device that only has debian drivers for debian 8; is there a way to prevent the kernel from upgrading, but otherwise run a normal debian 10 system?
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3251[22:24:36] <mallxs> on stretch gnome ... does this still uses /etc/gdm3/Init/Default ? i can't get my synergyc starting ffrom there .. and actually don't see any action from there !
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3253[22:24:59] <Akuw> finally
3254[22:25:04] <adeel> looks like the aptitude hold <package> should do it, or dpkg --set-selections "<package> hold"
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3277[22:32:57] <karlpinc> mlshew: Only that you look for an existing bug report.
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3285[22:36:37] <jhutchins_wk> mlshew: I take it this driver is not OSS.
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3307[22:49:01] <dipirona> hi
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3321[22:54:15] <karlpinc> !ask
3322[22:54:15] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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