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0 [00:00:04] <trek00> yurakeshi: host is using the same nvidia device?
1 [00:00:23] <trek00> yurakeshi: or better, nvidia module is loaded on host?
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3 [00:01:22] <trek00> raidghost: it depends, are you using ldap?
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8 [00:02:43] <raidghost> trek00: running freedombox thingy
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11 [00:03:00] <raidghost> so not sure if the freedombox thingy uses ldap
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13 [00:03:49] <yurakeshi> trek00, didn't try switching the passed device, gonna try it, ty. Host is using for now, but I don't want it to anymore. I'm thinking about uninstalling all nvidia drivers from host, could it make my life easier?
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17 [00:05:12] <trek00> raidghost: i think you could safely avoid ldap questions thus, but keep a note about the package is actually asking this question, may be you need to reconfigure at a later point
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20 [00:06:17] <trek00> yurakeshi: i think you can't pass a device to guest if it is already in use on host, you could try to unload nvidia modules and try again
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27 [00:08:41] <yurakeshi> trek00, I tried blacklisting all nvidia modules, but my problem now it's not even passing the device to the guest. Only setting up the vfio-pci ids already gives me a black screen on host. Last time I tried setting up a KVM, even if vfio didn't claimed the device, I could boot host normally
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33 [00:10:12] <trek00> yurakeshi: i'm not using vfio, but in theory setting the vfio ids will tell vfio module to take on this device, conflicting with nvidia drivers
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35 [00:10:58] <yurakeshi> uhmm, I see the point, makes sense
36 [00:11:06] <trek00> yurakeshi: you can modprobe -r nvidiamodulename and then modprobe vfio with pci ids
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41 [00:11:55] <yurakeshi> modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia_drm is in use
42 [00:12:16] <yurakeshi> before uninstalling, I'm gonna try blacklist it all again and try it one more time
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44 [00:13:01] <trek00> yurakeshi: lspci -k is your friend here
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48 [00:13:26] <trek00> yurakeshi: it tell you what module is actually using this device (nvidia or vdio)
49 [00:13:39] <yurakeshi> trek00, it's nvidia, that I checked
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52 [00:14:24] <trek00> yurakeshi: you'll check again after blacklisting, to know if it was fine :)
53 [00:14:37] <Agafnd> i'm trying to figure out if i should file a bugreport or not
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55 [00:14:49] <yurakeshi> trek00, yeap, but only after boot, right?
56 [00:14:50] <trek00> Agafnd: about what software and what issue?
57 [00:15:11] <trek00> yurakeshi: yes
58 [00:15:23] <Agafnd> cat; zenity --text-info --editable; cat # trek00, first cat works fine, after zenity, the other cat says "cat: -: Resource temporarily unavailable"
59 [00:15:38] <Agafnd> restart bash, cat works fine again
60 [00:16:13] <yurakeshi> trek00, I reboot so much with black screen, that's why I wanted the safe img backup lol, at least now I don't have to fix the boot with an usb live =P
61 [00:16:35] <trek00> yurakeshi: ;)
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63 [00:16:54] <yurakeshi> trek00, if I just blacklist nvidia and don't setup vfio-ids, should the intel GPU come up?
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65 [00:17:07] <yurakeshi> is it a valid middle test?
66 [00:17:23] <trek00> Agafnd: i haven't zenity installed, it seems it closes standard input, as the second cat says
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69 [00:17:48] <Agafnd> trek00: oddly, cat /dev/stdin still works
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71 [00:18:12] <trek00> yurakeshi: yes, if intel gpu is not blacklisted
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76 [00:19:09] <trek00> Agafnd: what you mean reastart bash? close the terminal? or exit a subshell?
77 [00:19:44] <yurakeshi> boooooot, here I go again!
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79 [00:20:14] <Agafnd> trek00: seems like any new bash process will fix it
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81 [00:21:29] <trek00> Agafnd: can you try this? cat; sh -c 'zenity --text-info --editable'; cat
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86 [00:22:13] <Agafnd> trek00: still gives resource temporarily unavailable
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88 [00:23:37] <raidghost> trek00: seems like i have to reinstall debian with latest and install the freedombox again
89 [00:23:38] <trek00> Agafnd: last try: zenity --text-info --editable; ls -l /proc/self/fd
90 [00:23:45] <raidghost> it went to hell
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92 [00:24:09] <trek00> raidghost: there are error messages?
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95 [00:24:39] <raidghost> trek00: no errors.
96 [00:25:00] <trek00> raidghost: why to reinstall then?
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101 [00:25:57] <raidghost> trek00: I dont have time for troubleshoot. Since at my parents house right now.
102 [00:26:11] <raidghost> Gonna travel back to my apartment in some days.
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107 [00:26:58] <Agafnd> trek00: replaced-url
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112 [00:28:30] <trek00> Agafnd: it seems correct, i don't know what is the issue and don't have zenity installed, but i think you could open a bug report for this, it's not really what is excepted
113 [00:28:48] <Agafnd> okay thanks
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115 [00:29:51] <trek00> Agafnd: another try if you don't mind: zenity --text-info --editable </dev/null >/dev/null; cat
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118 [00:30:37] <Agafnd> oh, well that...works?
119 [00:30:47] <Agafnd> but kinda defeats the purpose of that command
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121 [00:30:53] <trek00> Agafnd: please include that to the bug report too
122 [00:30:56] <Agafnd> which is supposed to print to stdout
123 [00:31:02] <Agafnd> ah okay
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127 [00:32:21] <trek00> Agafnd: may be useful too, to understand if is a problem with standard input or output; you could run this command omitting first </dev/null and then >/dev/null (first is stdin, the other stdout)
128 [00:33:43] <Agafnd> hm </dev/null works but >/dev/null does not
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132 [00:34:13] <trek00> Agafnd: well probably zenity incorrectly closes its standard output
133 [00:34:21] <Agafnd> ah
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135 [00:34:56] <Agafnd> also </dev/null is a nice workaround, i'm gonna put that in this script i'm working on...
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139 [00:36:26] <trek00> Agafnd: good that helps :)
140 [00:36:30] <Agafnd> oh wow i think it even affected reportbug
141 [00:36:40] <Agafnd> sensible-editor failed >.>
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143 [00:37:28] <trek00> Agafnd: try on a newly opened terminal
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145 [00:37:34] <Agafnd> yeah
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175 [00:57:28] <Agafnd> replaced-url
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196 [01:11:44] <mallxs> i'm doing a jessie -> stretch but it breaks on apache: pls see replaced-url
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205 [01:15:35] <TTT> hi, sorry for a bit offtopic question. Are there any on-line cloud storage/backup solutions that would allow me to access the storage as a block device? Like linux NBD. Or a remote FS. Or that have a Fuse FS that would allow something.
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215 [01:17:35] <ratrace> TTT: pretty much any "cloud hosting" company worth their weight in salt offers that
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217 [01:18:00] <humpled> worth their weight in salt?
218 [01:18:48] <ratrace> humpled: replaced-url
219 [01:18:49] <TTT> I don't think things like google drive or backblaze or mega or pcloud do that, do they? I'm looking for something cheap, say ~2 TB for under 10 USD/month
220 [01:18:58] <TTT> performance can be slow-ish
221 [01:19:15] <humpled> yes but
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224 [01:19:33] <ratrace> TTT: i have no idea about those services, i'm just telling you that every cloud hosting company offers "cloudy" block storage
225 [01:19:57] <ratrace> there's also S3 and Rackspace's object store, for which exist FUSE clients
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228 [01:20:45] <ratrace> humpled: do you know how much a hosting company weighs? a lot. all that conrete an HVAC steel and batteries and gennies, that's a lot of mass.
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230 [01:20:57] <humpled> no one would be paid their weight in salt
231 [01:21:02] <ratrace> %s/conrete an /concrete and/
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235 [01:21:27] <ratrace> humpled: you sir don't know what you're talking about.
236 [01:22:11] <humpled> i just don't know what you are talking about
237 [01:23:02] <ratrace> humpled: i linked you the explanation of the phrase
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239 [01:23:21] <ratrace> it's very old. you see in the ancient times salt was very, very very expensive. right up there with gold if not more
240 [01:23:24] <humpled> i know the phrase
241 [01:23:35] <humpled> you just changed it
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243 [01:23:56] <ratrace> changed how
244 [01:24:22] <TTT> Amazon EBS is quite expensive, ~60 USD/month for cheapest option
245 [01:24:31] <TTT> for ~2 TB
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247 [01:25:38] <ratrace> TTT: you can always rent a 2x4 TB server from, say, Hetzner and host it yourself
248 [01:25:51] <ratrace> you can get one for 30-40 €
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251 [01:26:19] <TTT> that's what I'm thinking, or using hetzner storage offers, they do have 2TB of storage for ~10 USD/month
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254 [01:28:29] * extor has a sources.list file from a year ago that was apparently created when squeeze was stable and when presumably buster was testing. With the system not having been touched for a year, what needs to be changed in the sources.list before running apt update in order to result in either a stable squeeze or a stable buster system replaced-url
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256 [01:29:57] <tds> extor: er, squeeze was a long time before buster was testing
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258 [01:30:21] <tds> squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie -> stretch -> buster
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262 [01:30:45] <geek1011> !sources.list
263 [01:30:45] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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268 [01:32:13] <extor> tds, I am not sure if this is unsupported here in the chan but I am trying to remaster a knoppix live DVD and convert it into something that is currently stable, such as buster or even squeeze because july 6th or so the apt system broke due to updates I think
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282 [01:38:38] <extor> Should I add contrib and non-free after main for those three lines, so as to not break packages which possibly drew upon those repos?
283 [01:39:12] <extor> since my old sources.list had main contrib non-free in front of every line
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290 [01:42:22] <jadax> I have 3 DisplayPort displays, 1/2/3. When I boot the system number 3 is the primary one but I want number 2 to be primary. I can set it with xrandr but after reboot 3rd one is primary again. How do I switch permanently?
291 [01:42:27] <jadax> it's Xorg not Wayland
292 [01:43:01] <extor> Oh my. That worked so smoothly. I didnt get any errors. All it says is that a few thousand packages are upgradable and I need to run apt list --upgradable to see them
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298 [01:45:55] * extor is running apt-get upgrade now aftger apt-get update
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310 [01:56:27] <carlino3> how can i remove completely a package and all their related files?
311 [01:56:40] <carlino3> i'm using apt remove --purge but still some configuration files out there
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317 [01:59:23] <extor> I use apt-get --purge remove
318 [01:59:28] <extor> not sure if there's a difference
319 [01:59:48] <extor> I also did an apt autoremove afterwards
320 [01:59:57] <carlino3> lets see
321 [02:00:02] <carlino3> maybe the autoremove is what i want
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399 [02:54:11] <novembre> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian bullseye/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6800K CPU @ 3.40GHz (1.20GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (11.5 GiB Free) Swap: 15.5 GiB Total (15.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 2.2 TB / 4.4 TB (2.2 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Hawaii XT / Grenada XT [Radeon R9 290X/390X] @ Intel Corporation Xeon E7 v4/Xeon E5 v4/Xeon E
400 [02:54:11] <novembre> 3 v4/Xeon D DMI2 • Uptime: 5h 20m 37s
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427 [03:15:00] <mallxs> dracut: line 1624: warning: should this scare me ?
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439 [03:23:51] <ksk> extor: wich package?
440 [03:24:39] <ksk> extor: also, sometimes there are things like "pkg-config" which hold configs of "pfk"
441 [03:24:44] <ksk> eh "pkg*
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444 [03:25:28] <zellfaze> Is there a simple way to connect to wifi automatically on a headless system?
445 [03:25:50] <ksk> zellfaze: you did read the wifi article on the debian wiki yeT?
446 [03:26:10] <karlpinc> extor: Traditionally, aptitude removed dependent packages when you do a remove, whereas apt-get does not and you would manually use deborphan (iirc) to find such dependencies which are no longer needed.
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449 [03:26:28] <karlpinc> extor: I don't know what apt does.
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452 [03:27:42] <zellfaze> ksk: I did. And I am not really sure what I am doing wrong there.
453 [03:27:46] <karlpinc> extor: Looks like 'apt autoremove' does what you'd want, although perhaps on a global basis rather than per specifically removed package.
454 [03:27:49] <ksk> apt autoremove does that just fine karlpinc
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456 [03:28:04] <zellfaze> I've created a wpa_supplicant file, and modified /etc/network/interface
457 [03:28:16] <zellfaze> Albeit wrongly apparently. xD
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459 [03:28:50] <karlpinc> ksk: Is there a feature for removing packages installed because they were "suggested" when the package which lead to the suggested installation is removed?
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461 [03:30:03] <galaxie> Hi, I inherited a computer with Jessie installed. I'm trying to update but apt-transport-https isn't installed. How do I manually download the proper package? What's the link to the repo?
462 [03:30:18] <karlpinc> zellfaze: If you want help we need specifics. (See the <errors> factoid.)
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464 [03:30:38] <karlpinc> galaxie: Are you following the upgrade instructions in the release notes?
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467 [03:31:01] <galaxie> karlpinc: I'm not upgrading just yet, just want to update.
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469 [03:31:16] <Bert> /msg NickServ REGISTER <B!@ckDyn@m1t399> <michael.gilbert71@yahoo.com>
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474 [03:31:32] <karlpinc> galaxie: They never updated via http? (guess not....)
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476 [03:31:55] <galaxie> karlpinc: They're complaining even though there doesn't seem to be any reference to https.
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479 [03:32:30] <karlpinc> galaxie: You may need to see: replaced-url
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481 [03:33:18] <karlpinc> galaxie: Well, you _could_ change your sources.list to just use http.
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483 [03:33:44] <karlpinc> galaxie: Note that you can't upgrade jessie->buster. You need to jessie->stretch->buster
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485 [03:34:03] <karlpinc> galaxie: And be sure to follow the upgrade instructions in each release's release notes.
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488 [03:34:57] <zellfaze> karlpinc: Right. Fair enough.
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490 [03:35:24] <zellfaze> When I get around to the wpa_supplicant step to test my connection I get an error: ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEXT]: Invalid argument
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492 [03:35:41] <zellfaze> And sometimes I don't even get that far.
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495 [03:36:01] <zellfaze> On a number of occasions iwlist has just returned no access points.
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497 [03:36:28] <karlpinc> zellfaze: It would probably be best to pastebin your configs. Maybe the logs. And surely tell us what you are typing.
498 [03:36:30] <karlpinc> !paste
499 [03:36:30] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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501 [03:36:47] <karlpinc> zellfaze: Has it ever worked?
502 [03:37:02] <zellfaze> karlpinc: Thanks you. I am so flustered, I should have known to do that.
503 [03:37:08] <zellfaze> It has once or twice this evening.
504 [03:37:18] <zellfaze> I got it connected earlier, but rebooted to see if it would stay connected.
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506 [03:37:27] <zellfaze> Lemme try to get some stuff pastebinned.
507 [03:37:40] <karlpinc> zellfaze: I'm not especially good with wireless, I poke mine with a stick until it works.
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516 [03:44:00] <zellfaze> karlpinc: I don't have logs yet, gonna have to grab a flash drive, but I have my configs pastebinned. I have been writing instructions to ensure that I can rebuild this machine too, so I will include those
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519 [03:44:19] <zellfaze> Instructions: replaced-url
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521 [03:44:46] <zellfaze> /etc/network/interfaces (only lines added from default): replaced-url
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523 [03:45:05] <zellfaze> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf: replaced-url
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543 [03:59:02] <zellfaze> This is syslog: replaced-url
544 [03:59:51] <zellfaze> And dmesg: replaced-url
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549 [04:00:52] <zellfaze> And I apparently misread karl earlier and thought he said he was good with wireless, not that he wasn't.
550 [04:00:55] <zellfaze> xD
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555 [04:06:44] <galaxie> /close
556 [04:06:54] <galaxie> Extra space..
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597 [04:33:21] <zellfaze> I got it!
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600 [04:33:46] <zellfaze> I was missing auto wlo1 to bring my wireless up.
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614 [04:41:48] <Shariff> Hi there
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616 [04:42:54] <Gerowen> What is the correct method for running a simple script at startup, in this case to launch a Minecraft server? In the past I've used rc.local, but it is disabled by default, so if there's a better way to do it, I would rather learn that.
617 [04:43:08] <Shariff> I've just installed rasbian lite which is based on Debian Buster.. and want to configure my network for a static IP... I've found some resources describing what to do, like edit /etc/network/interfaces. .. but none of the examples are like what I have.. my files are completely empty with the exception of some comments.. is my network configured elsewhere.. how do I check? :)
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622 [04:48:58] <Shariff> And other resources reference altering /etc/dhcpcd.conf over /etc/network/interfaces .. where should I go?
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625 [04:54:54] <dvs> !raspbian
626 [04:54:54] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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631 [04:57:02] <Shariff> Oh, I'm sorry.. didn't mean to make that mistake :)
632 [04:57:13] <Shariff> Thanks for having your bot tell me
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637 [05:02:21] <ilikeyou> apologize if this went through already, my pc might have been mid re-connection..
638 [05:02:25] <ilikeyou> Ive been looking around for Debian funding info. Is there an active list of contributors somewhere? I see google contributes a bunch. Wondering what the benefit is for them..
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1041 [07:39:22] <alkisg> In which channel is it more appropriate to ask questions about debian packaging?
1042 [07:39:58] <alkisg> #debian-mentors?
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1044 [07:40:42] <alkisg> Yup sorry it says so in replaced-url
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1050 [07:49:51] <annadane> !next
1051 [07:49:51] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1085 [08:23:28] <jadax> do you know how to set primary display permanently? I use xrandr --output DP2 --primary but when I reboot another display is set to primary
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1089 [08:26:26] <diogenes_> jadax, here is a good tutorial: replaced-url
1090 [08:27:10] <jadax> I just found out there's no virtualbox on debian 10
1091 [08:27:13] <jadax> what a surprise
1092 [08:28:18] <diogenes_> .v virtualbox
1093 [08:28:55] <diogenes_> .i virtualbox
1094 [08:29:05] <diogenes_> hmm
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1097 [08:30:48] <jadax> diogenes_ this tutorial uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d - I don't have that directory on debian 10...
1098 [08:30:54] <jadax> seems debian 10 changed a lot of stuff
1099 [08:31:06] <jadax> things don't work out of the box
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1101 [08:32:59] <diogenes_> jadax, that directory needs to be created.
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1114 [08:39:41] <jadax> I played with GUI and I got to a point where after logging in - my primary display is correct
1115 [08:39:47] <jadax> bu log-in screen appears on different screen
1116 [08:39:49] <jadax> which is weird
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1119 [08:41:11] <diogenes_> that's why thar guy explains xorg way is better.
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1149 [09:08:58] <jadax> have you used buster/virt-manager?
1150 [09:09:07] <jadax> I'm used to Virtual Box but it's not supported on buster
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1154 [09:11:34] <jadax> I know there's that: replaced-url
1155 [09:11:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1156 [09:12:07] <jadax> but I still don't fully understand why they wouldn't add virtualbox to debian 10; If I'm installing brand new debian 10 and I want brand new (latest) Virtual Box, why would I care about older releases?
1157 [09:12:20] <jadax> just give me the latest one that's fine and block the older ones, that's totally ok
1158 [09:12:25] <jadax> don't have to remove whole virtualbox package
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1163 [09:16:13] <alkisg> jadax: because 6 months later a new virtualbox will come out that will address security issues but will depend on newer tools that won't be backportable
1164 [09:16:23] <alkisg> So then the buster vbox will end up having security issues
1165 [09:16:31] <jadax> so it breaks forward compatibility, right?
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1167 [09:17:01] <alkisg> ...it has security issues, not sure if you can call that "breaking of forward compatibility"
1168 [09:17:15] <jadax> I read your sentence 3 times, I get it now
1169 [09:17:45] <jadax> does virt-manager offer similar user experience to virtualbox?
1170 [09:17:46] <alkisg> Previously, virtualbox backported security fixes to "stable releases"; now they say "get the newest one", which isn't appropriate to debian
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1172 [09:17:53] <alkisg> Yeah, it's similar
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1174 [09:18:06] <jadax> I need it for development machine
1175 [09:18:08] <jadax> nothing critical
1176 [09:18:20] <jadax> thinking out loud now, should I get vbox vs virt-manager
1177 [09:18:32] <jadax> if I don't care *that much* about security as I'm not running any servers on it
1178 [09:18:35] <jadax> just local dev box
1179 [09:19:03] <jadax> but then I don't like hacking debian, I like it nice and clean
1180 [09:19:09] <jadax> working 100% of the time as it's supposed to
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1182 [09:19:19] <jadax> not 99.9
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1184 [09:20:39] <jadax> I'm actually fine just using ssh + vnc for that VM
1185 [09:20:58] <jadax> so virt-manager howerver bad it could be I think will do just fine for such a simple task
1186 [09:21:43] <jadax> here is the kicker, I keep VM image on ntfs drive shared with windows (dual boot host)
1187 [09:22:08] <jadax> could I have virtualbox on Windows that will work off the same VM image (iso/vmdk/whatever else) ?
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1190 [09:23:46] <alkisg> jadax: if you use sparse files as images ("vmdk=>fixed size" in virtualbox), you can boot them from any virtualization suite and from any os
1191 [09:24:41] <jadax> vmdk is the one that can dynamically resize unlike raw, right?
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1193 [09:24:55] <alkisg> fixed size vmdk IS raw
1194 [09:25:06] <alkisg> But if it's a sparse file, it doesn't need extra space
1195 [09:25:10] <alkisg> (google about sparse files)
1196 [09:25:24] <jadax> I see
1197 [09:26:09] <jadax> is vmdk good format to go with? I have bunch of SSD storage available for my disposal, so that's not a concern
1198 [09:26:28] <jadax> I would definitely like the ability to run same VM off Debian and Windows
1199 [09:26:40] <alkisg> The raw format can be booted in kvm, vbox, vmware, whatever, even in bare metal
1200 [09:27:09] <alkisg> It's the most compatible one, if you don't mind taking care of the space issues possibly with sparse files
1201 [09:27:37] <alkisg> bbiab
1202 [09:28:08] <jadax> I wonder what the space issues could be
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1204 [09:28:51] <jadax> like filesystem putting some small files into the space where the VMDK sits?
1205 [09:29:00] <jadax> and then VMDK grows and here's the problem - some other files are there already
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1207 [09:29:05] <jadax> so then it all gets fragmented?
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1212 [09:33:02] <jadax> virt-manager wizzard only allows me to create raw or qcow2 volume
1213 [09:33:07] <jadax> no vmdk no nothing else
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1239 [09:41:01] <alkisg> jadax: it's just a different extension; you can name .raw however you like, vbox uses -flat.vmdk for them
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1243 [09:42:47] <jadax> let's say I name it raw as that's what virt-manager likes
1244 [09:43:02] <jadax> would I be able to plug it directly to vbox on Win later as is without extra conversions?
1245 [09:43:07] <alkisg> Yup
1246 [09:43:19] <jadax> sweet!
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1248 [09:43:23] <alkisg> A "registration" step is always necessary, to tell vbox where to find the disk, but no conversion
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1250 [09:43:52] <jadax> I'm putting that raw on top of NTFS volume
1251 [09:43:58] <jadax> so both, win and debian can access it
1252 [09:44:03] <alkisg> Sure
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1255 [09:46:11] <jadax> “The emulator may not have search permissions for the path”
1256 [09:46:28] <jadax> apparently virt-manager doesn't like the fact that my new raw image sits on the NTFS drive
1257 [09:46:47] <jadax> instead of /var/lib/libvirt/images
1258 [09:46:55] <alkisg> Wrong ntfs mount permissions
1259 [09:47:01] <alkisg> If you only allow the user, then the system can't find it
1260 [09:47:11] <jadax> what am I missing with the mount?
1261 [09:48:01] <alkisg> jadax: I need to go back to packaging for a while; re-summarize that mount question so that others in the channel may answer...
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1266 [09:50:14] <jadax> I can't paste my mount here :/
1267 [09:50:48] <jadax> /dev/sda6 on /media/user/0B5DA12C1282341D type fuseblk
1268 [09:50:48] <jadax> rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
1269 [09:50:52] <jadax> that's better!
1270 [09:51:17] <jadax> apparently something is off with this mount - my virt-manager says “The emulator may not have search permissions for the path”
1271 [09:52:06] <jadax> and alkisg claims mount is incorrect - am I missing some flag? I mounted it actually through debian's 'Files' GUI thing (is it nautilus btw?)
1272 [09:52:24] <jadax> I should probably add it to /etc/fstab if I'm planning on keeping VM images there
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1296 [10:15:20] <jadax> I'm still stuck configuring virt-manager's access to that NTFS drive
1297 [10:15:40] <jadax> I created whole /etc/fstab entry
1298 [10:15:55] <jadax> UUID=0BADA11C1242351D /mnt/ntfs ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=000,dmask=027,fmask=137,uid=1000,gid=1000,windows_names 0 0
1299 [10:16:07] <jadax> but that's not enough for virt-manager
1300 [10:16:35] <jadax> virt-manager keeps saying same thing over and over, "The emulator may not have search permissions for the path /mnt/ntfs/"
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1334 [10:43:40] <eaxxae> Is library genesis down/dead ?
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1338 [10:47:18] <magic_ninja_work> jadax, what is your fstab line ?
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1343 [10:48:22] <jadax> magic_ninja_work UUID=0BADA11C1242351D /mnt/ntfs ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=000,dmask=027,fmask=137,uid=1000,gid=1000,windows_names 0 0
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1346 [10:50:03] <magic_ninja_work> jadax, try a simple line, like this one: UUID=64A0B1AEA0B18758 /mnt/Storage ntfs defaults 0 2
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1350 [10:52:22] <jadax> ok, let me reboot
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1352 [10:52:56] <magic_ninja_work> jadax, no need
1353 [10:53:22] <magic_ninja_work> just do sudo umount /mnt/ntfs
1354 [10:53:26] <magic_ninja_work> sudo mount -a
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1357 [10:54:38] <jadax> hey, that worked
1358 [10:54:46] <jadax> my Ubuntu VM kicked-off
1359 [10:54:52] <magic_ninja_work> :)
1360 [10:54:59] <jadax> thanks!
1361 [10:55:21] <magic_ninja_work> replaced-url
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1363 [10:56:04] <magic_ninja_work> generally, when configuring something start with the defaults / suggested defaults, then tweak it only as you need. If something doesn't work, change it back before going forward.
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1373 [11:07:31] <BenLue> why i cant execute a2ensite in buster, cmd not found :(
1374 [11:07:38] <BenLue> Apache2 is installed
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1393 [11:22:50] <humpled> BenLue check the full path
1394 [11:22:55] <humpled> !buster sudo
1395 [11:23:04] <humpled> hmm,
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1397 [11:25:46] <ZaZaGX> hmm
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1399 [11:25:54] <ZaZaGX> !buster
1400 [11:25:54] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
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1425 [11:39:25] <humpled> wait, Buster is a dog, cool
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1427 [11:40:37] <ZaZaGX> ya
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1434 [11:43:01] <BCMM> humpled: have you seen the default wallpaper in buster?
1435 [11:43:22] <humpled> nope, maybe i should get round to upgrading
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1438 [11:43:58] <BCMM> there is a hidden dog replaced-url
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1441 [11:46:38] <alkisg> Heh, I hadn't noticed the hidden dog in the wallpaper! :D
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1489 [12:21:27] <ZaZaGX> i don't see the hidden dog
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1491 [12:22:00] <at0m> ZaZaGX: its head left of debian sign
1492 [12:22:11] <ZaZaGX> ohhh
1493 [12:22:27] <ZaZaGX> it must be buster
1494 [12:23:14] <at0m> BCMM: fun find, and fun wallpaper, too =) (i don't use any so couldn't have seen)
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1505 [12:29:39] <ZaZaGX> wb
1506 [12:30:09] <ZaZaGX> ilikeyou, are you using the free protonvpn?
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1518 [12:41:01] <Azlux> O.O funny
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1525 [12:45:15] <brutser> is there any benefit for me to install debian on ZFS filesystem?
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1531 [12:49:55] <Bushmills> login screen also show the head: replaced-url
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1533 [12:51:29] <jadax> what's good notepad++ alternative for debian 10?
1534 [12:52:17] <Bushmills> what features of notepad++ are important to you?
1535 [12:52:45] <jadax> multiple tabs and the fact that I can easily create them and they get preserved during reboots
1536 [12:52:49] <jadax> no need for me to save anything
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1538 [12:53:19] <bad_cat> afaik vim has tab support and can save sessions
1539 [12:53:25] <jadax> I use it for quick notest often times, scratch-pad
1540 [12:54:55] <jadax> geany is available on debian, haven't used that before
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1542 [12:56:43] <humpled> geany has persistent tabs and some good features
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1545 [12:59:39] <jadax> it doesn't persist tabs for me
1546 [13:00:06] <jadax> if I have a tab with some text in it and don't explicitly save that file - geany after closing and openning won't have that file contents anymore
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1551 [13:02:34] <humpled> so it changes the file without asking you
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1555 [13:02:48] <jadax> well, it asks me to save the file on exit
1556 [13:02:51] <jadax> I just hit no
1557 [13:02:56] <jadax> and then as I open geany again - the file is gone
1558 [13:03:07] <jadax> but that's the exact feature notepad++ has
1559 [13:03:16] <jadax> I can close it with 20 tabs unsaved
1560 [13:03:23] <jadax> and once I reopen all tabs are back
1561 [13:03:31] <jadax> in other words, notepad++ saves them somewhere internally
1562 [13:03:35] <jadax> but it doesn't bother me to do so
1563 [13:03:54] <humpled> yes it changes the files you had, without asking you
1564 [13:04:16] <Bushmills> intending to use it as full editor, or just for notes taking?
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1567 [13:05:06] <jadax> just notes
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1570 [13:05:32] <Bushmills> maybe a "note it" type of toolbar app. for example, xfce4-notes
1571 [13:05:46] <jadax> I'm on debian 10 gnome (xorg)
1572 [13:05:53] <humpled> yes i had something similar to that, can't remember its name though
1573 [13:05:53] <jadax> xfce4 stuff probably won't work
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1575 [13:06:02] <Bushmills> it probably will
1576 [13:06:30] <Bushmills> dependencies aren't that many, no need for complete xfce4 desktop environment
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1581 [13:07:35] <Bushmills> for gnomem there's something like zim, but I'm not sure about persistent tabs
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1586 [13:10:40] <Bushmills> (those survive restarts of app, but no idea how they behave when rebooting in the middle of editing)
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1591 [13:12:50] <Bushmills> Being able to link to other tabs by simply writing their name in any other note, wiki style, makes cross referencing notes a breeze
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1594 [13:15:02] <Bushmills> oh, i lied. Names need to be in CamelCase
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1598 [13:17:33] <jadax> I tried to install notepadqq through snap; it installed but I couldn't start it
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1681 [14:09:06] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
1682 [14:09:06] <dpkg> Sorry kreyren, you're not online.
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1685 [14:09:27] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
1686 [14:09:27] <dpkg> Yes, kreyren, you are online.
1687 [14:09:56] <kreyren> i have problem on livedvd of debian replaced-url
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1689 [14:10:05] <kreyren> ideally expecting to use different directory for this action
1690 [14:10:49] <kreyren> diogenes_, used your instructions btw and runtime is dependant on bootable media, will investigate later
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1694 [14:13:25] <kreyren> or disable it somehow to prevent making initrd images
1695 [14:13:33] <kreyren> (hotfix)
1696 [14:13:42] <diogenes_> kreyren, i did that with live iso, not the dvd ones.
1697 [14:14:17] <kreyren> diogenes_, used replaced-url
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1699 [14:14:36] <kreyren> tried to add toram option which results in same issue for said configuration
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1701 [14:15:38] <diogenes_> kreyren, this is the iso i used: replaced-url
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1704 [14:16:28] <kreyren> diogenes_, seems to be the same excluding xfce DE
1705 [14:16:58] <kreyren> to clarify: expected to have this on usb stick, allow boot and once that is finished -> disconnect usb stick
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1717 [14:22:26] <kreyren> diogenes_, trying it again
1718 [14:23:02] <diogenes_> ok
1719 [14:23:36] <kreyren> grub-efi-amd64 expected?
1720 [14:23:38] <kreyren> for `sudo apt install grub-efi-amd64` ?
1721 [14:23:41] <kreyren> wait
1722 [14:23:45] <kreyren> for `sudo grub-install --no-uefi-secure-boot --removable --target=x86_64-efi --boot-directory=/tmp/usb-live/boot/ --efi-directory=/tmp/usb-efi /dev/sdc`
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1724 [14:24:56] <diogenes_> if ythat's how i did.
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1726 [14:25:59] <kreyren> grub2 package doesnt have x86_64-efi -> deduced grub-efi-amd64 assuming it using grub2 based on apt output
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1728 [14:26:15] <kreyren> > grub-efi-amd64 - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-AMD64 version)
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1736 [14:31:36] <kreyren> noticed difference in grub.cfg, trying to boot now
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1765 [14:58:17] <kreyren> diogenes_, same issue
1766 [14:59:00] <diogenes_> for me it worked.
1767 [14:59:18] <kreyren> for me it depends on the bootable media
1768 [14:59:25] <kreyren> if disconnected it outputs I/O error
1769 [14:59:31] <kreyren> even with toram option
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1773 [15:01:09] <diogenes_> kreyren, the most likely you need a different approach, to make a filesystem.squashfs in /live which will include all the packages and configurations you might need.
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1777 [15:02:39] <kreyren> diogenes_, doubt it seems to be mounting /dev/sdb3 on / -- overlay on / type overlay (rw,noatime,lowerdir=/run/live/rootfs/filesystem.squashfs/,upperdir=/run/live/persistence/sdb3/rw,workdir=/run/live/persistence/sdb3/work)
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1780 [15:03:23] <kreyren> /dev/sdb3 on /run/live/persistence/sdb3 type ext4 (rw,noatime)
1781 [15:03:35] <diogenes_> you can't mount squashfs rw
1782 [15:03:44] <kreyren> o.O
1783 [15:04:26] <kreyren> /dev/sdb3 on /usr/lib/live/mount/persistence/sdb3 type ext4 (rw,noatime)
1784 [15:04:42] <kreyren> diogenes_, meaning?
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1786 [15:05:23] <diogenes_> kreyren, sorry i'm on 2 chats so can't fully focus on neither :)
1787 [15:05:31] <kreyren> diogenes_, np, ty for info
1788 [15:05:45] <diogenes_> no problem.
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1833 [15:27:48] <ZaZaGX> hi
1834 [15:28:09] <greg___> Hi all
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1838 [15:29:09] <blackop> Hi. I newly installed debian 10 and at first boot it is stuck at “Resuming from hibernation”
1839 [15:29:15] <blackop> what should i do?
1840 [15:29:41] <blackop> By the way i am connected here from mobile
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1843 [15:30:55] <blackop> Pc is not connected to internet since i couldnt config the network
1844 [15:31:05] <diogenes_> blackop, rat grub menu press 'e' and remove the line resume=UUID=... and press ctrl+x
1845 [15:31:13] <diogenes_> at*
1846 [15:31:26] <blackop> Let me try
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1849 [15:32:07] <blackop> I dont see resume=UUID
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1851 [15:33:08] <blackop> Linux /boot/wmlinuz-4.19.0.5-amd64 root=UUID=....
1852 [15:33:11] <humpled> what do you see?
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1854 [15:34:38] <blackop> if [ x$feature_platform_search.... then search - - no-floppy - - fs-uuid - - set=root ....
1855 [15:34:46] <alkisg> blackop: that hibernation message is normal and may NOT be related to hibernation; try removing "quiet" from the cmdline, to see any other error messages
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1857 [15:35:14] <alkisg> replaced-url
1858 [15:35:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1859 [15:35:15] <blackop> ....... ro quiet
1860 [15:35:24] <blackop> Is that what you mean?
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1865 [15:36:31] <blackop> How can i remove it? I am total newbie
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1868 [15:36:55] <blackop> It says F2 for command line.
1869 [15:36:59] <alkisg> After you pressed "e" and saw "quiet" you press the delete key to delete the word "quiet" and you press f10 to boot
1870 [15:37:08] <alkisg> or ctrl+x, whatever it says there
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1872 [15:37:51] <blackop> After i press “e” some parameters came on screen. I dont know how to edit
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1874 [15:38:33] <diogenes_> blackop, make a pic with your hone and upload to imgur
1875 [15:38:37] <diogenes_> let's see what you see.
1876 [15:38:37] <blackop> there is no “quiet” alone. It exists at the end of linux /boot/lvmlinuz .... lind
1877 [15:38:46] <diogenes_> phone*
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1879 [15:38:49] <blackop> ok wait
1880 [15:39:09] <blackop> I hope i dont disconnect here
1881 [15:39:59] <Nothing4You> is it possible to have /etc as a separate mount point if the fstab is synced to initramfs?
1882 [15:40:15] <blackop> replaced-url
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1885 [15:40:51] <humpled> is 'verbose' still relevant
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1888 [15:41:51] <blackop> It is old laptop. I faced some issues with ubuntu 18.04 64bit but not boot problems.
1889 [15:42:03] <blackop> i wanted to try debian
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1896 [15:43:26] <ZaZaGX> did you try the new ubuntu 18.04.3?
1897 [15:43:42] <blackop> Yes
1898 [15:43:51] <ZaZaGX> ohhh
1899 [15:44:01] <diogenes_> blackop, navigate with keyboard arrow keys in front of quiet and remove it, then press ctrl+x
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1901 [15:44:05] <blackop> I deleted quiet at the end of line but still same
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1904 [15:44:24] <diogenes_> and now when it stuck, make another screeshot
1905 [15:44:27] <blackop> Maybe it didnt save my delete?
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1907 [15:44:45] <blackop> Oh no quiet is still there
1908 [15:44:55] <blackop> How can i save after delete?
1909 [15:45:53] <diogenes_> it will still be there when you reset and reboot, after you delete it, press f10 or ctrl+x and it will boot showing some text on the screen instead of debian logo
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1911 [15:46:01] <diogenes_> and once it stuck male anothe screenshot
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1913 [15:46:16] <blackop> Ok
1914 [15:46:23] <diogenes_> make*
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1916 [15:47:07] <humpled> is 'verbose' still relevant or is 'systemd.show_status=1' the thing now?
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1921 [15:48:24] <blackop> Here the screenshot replaced-url
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1926 [15:49:23] <alkisg> blackop: what happens if you press enter at that point?
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1928 [15:49:33] <blackop> Nothing happens
1929 [15:49:40] <alkisg> The screen doesn't scroll up?
1930 [15:49:48] <blackop> No
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1932 [15:50:12] <blackop> Is it because my laptop is old?
1933 [15:50:20] <blackop> Old hardware and old gpu
1934 [15:50:21] <alkisg> Could be graphics/xorg/wayland issues... it's late in the init stages there
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1936 [15:50:43] <alkisg> In grub, try advanced options => recovery mode
1937 [15:50:48] <blackop> I have old bad gpu - ATI mobility radeon x1300
1938 [15:50:55] <humpled> how old is it? mine is 11 years and runs xfce but i wouldn't try gnome
1939 [15:51:08] <blackop> 13 yrs old ThinkPad T60
1940 [15:51:16] <diogenes_> yeah ^^^^ gnome is bad choice
1941 [15:51:18] <humpled> oh nice
1942 [15:51:43] <blackop> I set default debian desktop which is gnome i think
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1944 [15:52:32] <humpled> how much ram?
1945 [15:52:44] <blackop> it said press Ctrl D to continue. But it showed up blank black screen. Nothing comes up
1946 [15:53:02] <blackop> humpled 4gb put but chipset supports max 3gb
1947 [15:53:56] <blackop> alkisg black screen..
1948 [15:54:07] <blackop> In recovery mode
1949 [15:54:07] <alkisg> blackop: don't continue; put the password
1950 [15:54:07] <humpled> hmm your urls are transformed to a much shorter version after loading
1951 [15:54:29] <roflbot> hi guys, have not used cd-rom in several years, but found som CDs that I want to rip. For some reason cdparanoia -Q tells me that "Drive is neither a CDROM nor a WORM device". What am I doing wrong?
1952 [15:54:42] <blackop> Should i reinstall and choose xcfe?
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1954 [15:55:00] <alkisg> blackop: do a little try with the recovery mode first
1955 [15:55:06] <alkisg> Put the password when it asked you
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1958 [15:55:14] <blackop> Btw it was SATA in compatible mode when i installed but later i changed to AHCI in bios
1959 [15:55:16] <alkisg> Then you should get a shell prompt; there, type: startx
1960 [15:55:42] <blackop> alkisg for some minutes nothing comes.. still black screen
1961 [15:56:04] <alkisg> blackop: you need to reboot, and when it says "put password or type ctrl+d", you need to type the password
1962 [15:56:04] <roflbot> ahh seems like I need to load some kernel modules, sg sr_mod or something
1963 [15:56:14] <alkisg> blackop: If you wait without rebooting, you'll wait for ever
1964 [15:56:17] <blackop> Oh ok
1965 [15:57:12] <blackop> alkisg finally in command line as root
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1968 [15:57:24] <alkisg> blackop, there, try: startx
1969 [15:57:30] <alkisg> Does that do anything?
1970 [15:58:00] <blackop> Corrupted splash screen for a second then black screen
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1972 [15:58:23] <alkisg> When you installed, did you use the live cd with graphics, or the text mode installer?
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1974 [15:58:31] <blackop> before that i saw something says urandom 7 warnings
1975 [15:58:44] <roflbot> modprobing sg and sr_mod did not do anything, probably had them already.
1976 [15:59:03] <blackop> i used usb with netinstallation and no graphics install
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1978 [15:59:24] <blackop> i used text mode install
1979 [15:59:40] <ZaZaGX> oh
1980 [15:59:44] <alkisg> OK so it's possible that this card just won't display neither xorg nor wayland; reboot, get the recovery shell again, and type: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 3 VGA
1981 [15:59:51] <alkisg> Does it mention "driver in use" there?
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1983 [16:00:13] <ZaZaGX> my lenovo didn't support the netinstall. i had to use the DVD-1 on a usb flash drive to install debian 10
1984 [16:00:34] <ZaZaGX> the netinstall gave me a black screen, and it won't load
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1988 [16:02:01] <blackop> alkisg No such PCI access method: 3 (see ‘-A help’ for a list)
1989 [16:02:20] <blackop> ZaZaGx which model of lenovo?
1990 [16:02:35] <alkisg> blackop: you misstyped, read it again
1991 [16:02:56] <alkisg> Maybe you got this wrong: |
1992 [16:03:01] <alkisg> It's a vertical bar
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1994 [16:03:45] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
1995 [16:03:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1996 [16:03:58] <ZaZaGX> I have that
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1999 [16:05:26] <ZaZaGX> its newer
2000 [16:05:47] <blackop> Ah
2001 [16:05:54] <blackop> replaced-url
2002 [16:06:17] <blackop> I thought it is “l” but it should be “|”
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2004 [16:06:24] <alkisg> blackop: yes, you type "l" lambda instead of | vertical bar
2005 [16:06:46] <alkisg> Vertical bar is: shift + \
2006 [16:06:49] <blackop> my keyboard is not english
2007 [16:06:51] <alkisg> (usually)
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2010 [16:07:25] <blackop> It is shift-;
2011 [16:07:56] <blackop> I will take screenshot
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2013 [16:08:07] <mallxs> In gnome-flashback , how do i make that a click in a window takes focus ?
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2016 [16:09:17] <blackop> alkisg replaced-url
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2019 [16:10:30] <blackop> Am i here or dropped?
2020 [16:10:56] <humpled> you're here
2021 [16:11:10] <blackop> Ok. On mobile i cant be sure..
2022 [16:12:26] <humpled> dpkg ping
2023 [16:12:26] <dpkg> pong
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2025 [16:12:35] <alkisg> You might need to enable "vesa" or "nomodeset" to make it work, but it will require detailed instructions, I don't know if there's a link for them here...
2026 [16:13:06] <alkisg> Googling for debian "1002:7149" doesn't yield any recent results ;)
2027 [16:13:07] <blackop> :( why is it so hard
2028 [16:13:25] <alkisg> Too old ati card :)
2029 [16:13:51] <blackop> But why linux ignoring old hardwares..
2030 [16:14:01] <blackop> Laptop is still like a monster
2031 [16:14:08] <blackop> Very capable
2032 [16:14:24] <alkisg> They can't spend days to test hardware that they don't even have; maybe an older version will boot out of the box
2033 [16:14:32] <alkisg> Try some live cds and see which one shows graphics
2034 [16:15:03] <blackop> Can i try with my usb stick?
2035 [16:15:11] <blackop> I dont have cd of debian
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2037 [16:15:14] <alkisg> Sure
2038 [16:15:27] <blackop> But it didnt give me option to try.
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2040 [16:16:04] <blackop> Let me check the menu again
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2042 [16:16:21] <blackop> No try option
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2044 [16:16:36] <blackop> Graphical install
2045 [16:17:03] <alkisg> replaced-url
2046 [16:17:12] <blackop> install- advanced options-accessible high constrast installer menu
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2049 [16:17:27] <ZaZaGX> nosetmode is easy
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2051 [16:17:40] <ZaZaGX> i did it before. are you trying to install a graphic driver?
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2053 [16:18:06] <blackop> ZaZaGx yes but old graphic card
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2055 [16:18:37] <blackop> It is grandgrandgrand father of your X1 :p
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2057 [16:19:13] <blackop> And x1 is step grandson since it s not real thinkpad lol
2058 [16:20:31] <ZaZaGX> Well, i'm not sure. when the grub appears. you type in "e"
2059 [16:20:55] <ZaZaGX> i did it on ubuntu back than. but i didn't try it for Debian
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2067 [16:22:26] <blackop> I will try live cd but later. I need to download it from other laptop
2068 [16:22:29] <ZaZaGX> do you see the sh?
2069 [16:22:49] <blackop> what sh?
2070 [16:23:03] <ZaZaGX> sorry i meant splash
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2074 [16:24:00] <blackop> I saw it in recovery mode when typed startx for a second but corrupted screen then came up with black screen
2075 [16:24:01] <ZaZaGX> first, when you bootup from grub, did you type in the 'e'
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2078 [16:24:18] <blackop> yes i did but e didnt help
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2080 [16:24:35] <blackop> i did what alkisg told me
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2082 [16:24:53] <ZaZaGX> did you see quiet splash?
2083 [16:25:09] <blackop> No
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2085 [16:25:34] <ZaZaGX> okay, well i did this in the past. i'm not sure if its relevant
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2088 [16:25:42] <ZaZaGX> it was on Ubuntu
2089 [16:25:48] <ZaZaGX> geez, he left
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2091 [16:26:36] <rawtaz> hi. i have a docker container based on buildpack-deps:stretch-scm and in it i've ran apt-get update, apt-get install nodejs nodejs-legacy , but for some reason i dont have npm installed. wherever i look it seems like npm should be installed with nodejs. what am i missing?
2092 [16:27:07] <rawtaz> to be clear; both `node` and `nodejs` runs fine, but there's no such command `npm` , nor does `find / -iname npm` find anything relevant.
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2094 [16:28:06] <Bushmills> apt install npm
2095 [16:28:20] <SerajewelKS> rawtaz: nodejs in stretch and stretch-backports doesn't depend on npm. in buster it's suggested.
2096 [16:28:24] <SerajewelKS> it's a separate package
2097 [16:28:50] <ZaZaGX> alkisg, ya there?
2098 [16:28:55] <rawtaz> Bushmills: there's no such package
2099 [16:28:56] <alkisg> ZaZaGX: yup?
2100 [16:29:08] <Bushmills> ,v npm
2101 [16:29:09] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; stretch-backports: 5.8.0+ds6-2~bpo9+1; bullseye: 5.8.0+ds6-4; buster: 5.8.0+ds6-4; sid: 5.8.0+ds6-4
2102 [16:29:22] <rawtaz> ah, perhaps i need to add the strech-backports repo then?
2103 [16:29:48] <Bushmills> if you're on stretch, then that sounds like a plna
2104 [16:29:49] <Bushmills> plan
2105 [16:29:58] <ZaZaGX> alkisg, i have instuctions for nosetmode. but its for Ubuntu. not sure if its the same for debian
2106 [16:29:59] <rawtaz> this is the base docker container im using: replaced-url
2107 [16:30:04] <rawtaz> Bushmills: will try that, thanks
2108 [16:30:07] <rawtaz> SerajewelKS: thanks!
2109 [16:30:11] <ZaZaGX> after than you are supposed to install the drivers for the graphic card
2110 [16:30:14] <alkisg> ZaZaGX: it's called nomodeset; if he ever comes back, tell him :)
2111 [16:30:58] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
2112 [16:31:07] <ZaZaGX> sorry i mean nomodeset
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2114 [16:31:44] <ZaZaGX> maybe you can pass it to him.
2115 [16:31:49] <rawtaz> should i use strech-backports or buster-backports?
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2118 [16:32:30] <Bushmills> as it's in buster, i doubt you can find it in buster backports
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2120 [16:33:18] <rawtaz> i mean; foo-backports means "packages backported [in]to foo", not "packages backported from foo"?
2121 [16:33:23] <ZaZaGX> alkisg, is it accurate? or not
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2123 [16:34:14] <alkisg> ZaZaGX: I don't know, but since he left, there's not much point in it...
2124 [16:34:19] <Bushmills> that's right
2125 [16:34:58] <rawtaz> cheers
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2129 [16:35:41] <ZaZaGX> alkisg, well... i am going to sign off. if he comes back. you can give him that link and to tell thats how you nomodeset and than install the ati graphic card via terminal
2130 [16:35:44] <Bushmills> but nobody is likely to backport 5.8.0+ds6-4 (bullseye & sid) to buster when there's 5.8.0+ds6-4 in buster
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2132 [16:35:59] <alkisg> ZaZaGX: I don't think there's an ati driver for so old cards
2133 [16:36:05] <alkisg> Anyway, bye :)
2134 [16:36:17] <ZaZaGX> lol oh wells
2135 [16:36:17] <rawtaz> Bushmills: indeed. ok, so it happens that packages are "backported" from older to newer versions as well?
2136 [16:37:27] <Bushmills> that may happen, yes, if older version is in stable
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2138 [16:37:41] <rawtaz> ok
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2140 [16:38:11] <rawtaz> is there any naming convention for sources.list.d? im thinking stretch-backports.list for the filename otherwise
2141 [16:39:05] <Bushmills> unambiguous or otherwise telling names are preferred
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2143 [16:39:29] <rawtaz> ok :)
2144 [16:40:08] <Bushmills> !hard
2145 [16:40:08] <dpkg> Yes. It's hard.
2146 [16:40:19] <Bushmills> oops, wrong channel :)
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2148 [16:40:57] <rawtaz> haha
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2160 [16:47:37] <EdePopede> does debian provide a simply human friendy tool to show mouse events? no, not xev. user friendly. nothing that needs to be embedded in a script using tcl/tk or similar to make it usable.
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2162 [16:48:19] <EdePopede> something like windows had since the 90s in the mouse setting dialog. show the mouse states, show the double or triple click.
2163 [16:48:33] * Bushmills googles that funny term "windows"
2164 [16:48:34] <EdePopede> erm, button states
2165 [16:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1539
2166 [16:49:05] <EdePopede> a software written by a company in a city in Murica, i think it is called Redmond
2167 [16:49:32] <Bushmills> ah. program loader for mostly recreative software
2168 [16:50:04] <EdePopede> well at least it doesn't follow DIN's definition for "Betriebssystem" (Operating System)
2169 [16:50:33] <Bushmills> in mouse settings of graphical desktop environments is often a "double click" test
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2171 [16:50:39] <EdePopede> simply for being far too bloated and running a lot of crap without real need
2172 [16:50:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> I remember the built-in playtime limit. It would suddenly stop working if you had enough, a great reminder to go outside and enjoy life.
2173 [16:50:55] <EdePopede> dammit. so xfce (at least on stretch) is missing that one.
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2175 [16:52:38] <humpled> there is synclient -l
2176 [16:54:09] <Bushmills> the "enough" indicator visually styled reminiscent of the sky outside?
2177 [16:55:17] <rawtaz> well, it seems that stretch has nodejs v4, while npm in stretch-backports requires nodejs v6. so ill have to install nodejs from backports too
2178 [16:55:50] <Bushmills> ,v nodejs
2179 [16:55:51] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; bullseye: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; buster: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; sid: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; experimental: 12.8.0~dfsg-2
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2181 [16:56:53] <rawtaz> wow, huge version difference between stretch and buster
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2185 [16:57:11] <EdePopede> bullseye before buster is highly irritating. not the first time i observe this, is it a template thing?
2186 [16:57:26] <blackop> alkisg replaced-url
2187 [16:57:28] <Bushmills> and backports. looks like they skipped a few major release numbers
2188 [16:57:43] <blackop> it disables ATI gpu at the boot.
2189 [16:58:12] <blackop> Failed to load gpu firmware
2190 [16:58:33] <blackop> If i install debian again with only xcfe not gnome does it work?
2191 [16:58:34] <humpled> :|
2192 [16:59:03] <humpled> i don't think that will help
2193 [16:59:03] <alkisg> blackop: try installing the firmware (ask here if you don't know how; sorry busy atm)
2194 [16:59:16] <alkisg> "failed to load radeon/R520_cp.bin"
2195 [16:59:17] <blackop> ok
2196 [16:59:27] <blackop> Thanks
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2198 [16:59:59] <blackop> Dear debian, how can i install my old ATI mobility radeon x1300 firmware?
2199 [17:00:27] <blackop> it fails to load radeon/R520_cp.bin
2200 [17:00:34] <blackop> replaced-url
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2204 [17:01:19] <blackop> My gpu code name suppose to be RV515 why showing R520 i dont know. Maybe same family
2205 [17:01:37] <rawtaz> hm, how can nodejs conflict with nodejs-legacy in this case? replaced-url
2206 [17:01:51] <rawtaz> not sure why it cares - nodejs-legacy is just a symlink package
2207 [17:02:14] <m0rd3cai> I just got my radeon 600 series working. had to enable non free repo and install firmware-amd-graphics and firmware-linux-nonfree
2208 [17:03:24] <Bushmills> apt depends nodejs - probably says "collides with nodejs-legacy"
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2210 [17:04:13] <Bushmills> ah, because "replaces ..."
2211 [17:04:30] <blackop> m0rd3cai is that older than mine?
2212 [17:04:42] <rawtaz> Bushmills: `apt -t stretch-backports depends nodejs` does say nodejs conflicts with nodejs-legacy. hm could it be that nodejs in backports contain the symlink in nodejs-legacy perhaps?
2213 [17:04:51] <blackop> i found something here: replaced-url
2214 [17:05:12] <m0rd3cai> blackop: im not sure off top of my head. Id have to look.
2215 [17:05:15] <rawtaz> i should probably just install nodejs then and skip legacy
2216 [17:05:28] <ilikeyou> ZaZaGX: was afk sorry. yes free version. Ur asking cus of the disconnects lol
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2218 [17:05:32] <blackop> deb replaced-url
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2220 [17:05:46] <blackop> I will try this
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2224 [17:06:26] <Bushmills> rawtaz: there's "factual reason" and "formal reason" - that a conflict is reported, is due to "formal reason", that is, because it's listed as colliding with
2225 [17:06:42] <m0rd3cai> i would check there for your card.
2226 [17:06:44] <m0rd3cai> replaced-url
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2229 [17:06:58] <Bushmills> for why it's stated as colliding with, the package contents may have to be examined
2230 [17:07:15] <m0rd3cai> all supported models are listed there
2231 [17:07:34] <rawtaz> Bushmills: yeah. hopefully the fact that nodejs is said to replace nodejs-legacy might mean that nodejs provides the `node` binary or symlink this time :)
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2234 [17:08:17] <rawtaz> Bushmills: it seems to. i did `apt -t stretch-backports install --no-install-recommends nodejs npm` and now have working `node`, `nodejs`, `npm` :)
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2243 [17:10:44] <Bushmills> no challenge if things work straight away
2244 [17:10:49] <rawtaz> true hehe
2245 [17:10:52] <blackop> My gpu family R500 series exist in the packages
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2247 [17:11:00] <blackop> but i dont know how to install
2248 [17:11:04] <rawtaz> i hope soon microsoft updates their container to use buster instead
2249 [17:11:07] <blackop> what command should i use?
2250 [17:12:03] <rawtaz> apt install firmware-amd-graphics?
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2252 [17:12:14] <m0rd3cai> apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics
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2254 [17:12:44] <m0rd3cai> or sudo apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics
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2256 [17:13:02] <Bushmills> aptitude install install firmware-amd-graphics
2257 [17:13:14] <Bushmills> (just a single "install")
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2259 [17:13:53] <blackop> Package “firmware-amd-graphics” has no installation candidate
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2261 [17:14:20] <Bushmills> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
2262 [17:14:21] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-1; sid/non-free: 20190717-1
2263 [17:14:32] <Bushmills> non-free ... add to sources.list
2264 [17:14:38] <blackop> How?
2265 [17:14:59] <humbot> thought you just did that
2266 [17:15:04] <rawtaz> are you on buster?
2267 [17:15:05] <m0rd3cai> blackop: replaced-url
2268 [17:15:09] <Bushmills> using an interactive sources.list customisation frontend. aka "text editor"
2269 [17:15:11] <blackop> Yes
2270 [17:15:28] <blackop> in installation i guess i didnt say Yes to nonfree
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2272 [17:15:47] <blackop> the problem is i cant boot in desktop
2273 [17:15:53] <blackop> i m in recovery mode now
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2275 [17:16:00] <blackop> as root
2276 [17:16:02] <rawtaz> you dont need to. you just need to add one or two lines to a file in your filesystem
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2278 [17:16:22] <blackop> I dont know how to do that. I am newbie
2279 [17:16:43] <humbot> and also a network connection will be needed
2280 [17:16:49] <m0rd3cai> you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and append non free to the end of each repo. read the article i posted.
2281 [17:16:55] <blackop> What if i start installation again and say Yes to nonfree?
2282 [17:17:09] <blackop> i connected via ethernet at the moment
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2287 [17:17:40] <Bushmills> sources.list is in /etc/apt
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2291 [17:17:50] <Bushmills> !sources.list
2292 [17:17:51] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
2293 [17:18:14] <user_> need help with `cp: error writing '/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new': No space left on device` on livedvd of debian -> deduced that said pathname is mounted as readonly squashfs
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2296 [17:18:40] <Bushmills> behind "main", add "contrib non-free" (no quotes) - "contrib" may not be needed.
2297 [17:18:55] <kreyren> need help with `cp: error writing '/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new': No space left on device` on livedvd of debian -> deduced that said pathname is mounted as readonly squashfs
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2299 [17:19:02] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
2300 [17:19:02] <dpkg> Sorry kreyren, you're not online.
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2302 [17:19:16] <humbot> heheh
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2304 [17:19:19] <kreyren> need help with `cp: error writing '/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new': No space left on device` on livedvd of debian -> deduced that said pathname is mounted as readonly squashfs
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2306 [17:19:26] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
2307 [17:19:26] <dpkg> Yes, kreyren you are either online or you are not... replaced-url
2308 [17:21:06] <trek00> kreyren: why do you want to copy initrd on a live linux?
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2312 [17:21:54] <kreyren> trek00: mostly bcs i broke FCC on PCB that is used by disks
2313 [17:21:56] <kreyren> then SPEED
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2317 [17:22:18] <blackop> i added non free at the end all the lines
2318 [17:22:20] <kreyren> *FFC
2319 [17:22:30] <blackop> i did apt update but failed to fetch
2320 [17:22:42] <blackop> could not resolve deb.debian.org
2321 [17:22:44] <trek00> kreyren: well, I think you can't write to squashfs
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2323 [17:23:06] <kreyren> trek00, figured that much, any way to tell dpkg to use different location for initrd or disable it ?
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2325 [17:23:44] <trek00> kreyren: I think you need to create a persistent live usb stick, then you can modify it
2326 [17:23:58] <humbot> they want to boot to ram
2327 [17:24:06] <kreyren> trek00, tried that already replaced-url
2328 [17:24:15] <humbot> maybe they could explain it better
2329 [17:24:19] <kreyren> if disconnected -> I/O err
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2331 [17:24:36] <kreyren> humbot, yep O.o
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2333 [17:24:56] <humbot> ;)
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2336 [17:25:43] <humbot> if you can't find someone who knows about this here, you might have to ask in debian-live on oftc, or in a knoppix channel or look at their docs
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2338 [17:26:00] <kreyren> asked in debian-live but none seems to answer
2339 [17:26:19] <kreyren> looked at docs already and it confused me even more O.o
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2341 [17:26:44] <kreyren> i guess i could mount something on it
2342 [17:27:04] <kreyren> nah i cant nwm
2343 [17:27:05] <blackop> replaced-url
2344 [17:27:31] <trek00> kreyren: I don't remember details about live usb sticks, but I remember that with the persistence enabled, you could write directly to the unionfs, like to /boot and but you can never write to squashfs, it is read-only only :)
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2346 [17:28:15] <trek00> blackop: yes it's good
2347 [17:28:37] <blackop> But Could not resolve deb.debian.orh
2348 [17:28:38] <blackop> orh
2349 [17:28:40] <blackop> org
2350 [17:28:55] <humbot> i guess they need to remake an initrd which will pass on to the squashfs loaded to ram instead of on the device, and still use the overlay on top of that
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2352 [17:29:12] <kreyren> blackop, `ping google.com` returns true?
2353 [17:29:17] <kreyren> if not configure /etc/resolv.conf
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2356 [17:29:37] <blackop> name or service not known
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2358 [17:30:02] <kreyren> configure /etc/resolv.conf then .. you want nameserver <ipv4/ipv6> alike nameserver 1.1.1.1
2359 [17:30:13] <kreyren> !resolv.conf
2360 [17:30:13] <dpkg> /etc/resolv.conf is a resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It is written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>.
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2362 [17:30:44] <trek00> kreyren: you can blacklist/configure you modules than try update-initramfs -u
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2364 [17:31:12] <kreyren> trek00, checking
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2366 [17:33:25] <kreyren> trek00, elaborate?
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2369 [17:33:55] <kreyren> humbot, seems that it needs to write in `/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new` so it woudn't probably help to remake initrd
2370 [17:34:19] <kreyren> like nvidia-driver needs access there to make module etc..
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2372 [17:34:43] <trek00> kreyren: you need to rebuild initrd for some reason?
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2377 [17:35:25] <no_gravity> Just noticed that CTRL+D closes the current screen window. Why does that happen?
2378 [17:35:37] <kreyren> trek00, dpkg want to do it for nvidia-driver
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2381 [17:35:45] <trek00> no_gravity: ctrl+d means EOF, end of file
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2383 [17:36:24] <kreyren> trek00, replaced-url
2384 [17:37:17] <no_gravity> trek00: Oh, so bash which is listening to stdin thinks "ah, end of input. nothing more to do. let's die."?
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2389 [17:38:21] <trek00> kreyren: we should figure out at first why initramfs-tools is trying to write to /lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new and not /boo/initrd.img
2390 [17:38:30] <trek00> no_gravity: exactly
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2392 [17:38:49] <no_gravity> trek00: Interesting. Thanks!
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2396 [17:41:44] <trek00> kreyren: can you paste the output of mount ?
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2398 [17:42:13] <kreyren> trek00, replaced-url
2399 [17:42:22] <EdePopede> it is still not possible to have a working mouse in text terminal while X is running?
2400 [17:42:38] <EdePopede> oh wait. i could test the mouse from the other pc...
2401 [17:42:51] <humbot> findmnt is nice
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2405 [17:43:55] <B|ack0p> hi again.. finally on irssi now
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2408 [17:44:24] <humbot> on a live usb the kernel and initrd are not in the squashfs
2409 [17:44:29] <EdePopede> wth. it is a mouse without a cable. moving the cursor worked instantly, but i had to wait for clicks?
2410 [17:44:48] <B|ack0p> i added non free packages and ran update but no change.. still boot stuck at Resuming from hibernation
2411 [17:45:01] <trek00> kreyren: you had not enabled persistence, it may be a problem with upgrades/packages installation
2412 [17:45:10] <B|ack0p> still gpu firmware not loaded..
2413 [17:45:25] <trek00> kreyren: actually it is trying to write to RAM, but it consumed all the space
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2415 [17:46:40] <humbot> you need to install the packages previously mentioned now B|ack0p, linux-firmware-nonfree is one i think
2416 [17:48:08] <trek00> B|ack0p: what vga card do you have?
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2419 [17:49:08] <B|ack0p> trek00: old ATI mobility radeon x1300
2420 [17:49:18] <trek00> EdePopede: to use mouse on textual console, you need gpm instlled
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2422 [17:49:37] <trek00> B|ack0p: you need apt install firmware-amd-graphics
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2424 [17:50:01] <B|ack0p> let me try
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2426 [17:50:29] <EdePopede> trek00: i know, but iirc it doesn't work with X running? didn't have the situation for nearly 2 decades now, so no idea
2427 [17:50:34] <B|ack0p> unable to locate packages
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2430 [17:51:02] <humbot> here doesn't mention it replaced-url
2431 [17:51:08] <kreyren> trek00, RAM has 19G free space
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2434 [17:51:16] <trek00> EdePopede: me too i don't use gpm anymore, but it should coexists fine with X
2435 [17:51:20] <kreyren> trek00, persistence flag in kernel cmdline?
2436 [17:51:23] <EdePopede> or is it possible to use a 2nd mouse with gpm alongside? attaching the other one only made the normal mouse behaving jealous again, but else works
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2439 [17:51:33] <trek00> kreyren: yes
2440 [17:51:56] <kreyren> trek00, i was trying persistence_path but i try persistence too, any way to fix this from runtime atm?
2441 [17:52:10] <trek00> B|ack0p: well, after adding non-free to sources.list, you need apt update
2442 [17:52:14] <humbot> here it says it's supported replaced-url
2443 [17:52:27] <B|ack0p> trek00: i did already
2444 [17:52:40] <trek00> kreyren: no idea, live usb sticks are black magic :)
2445 [17:52:47] <kreyren> o.O
2446 [17:52:59] <B|ack0p> added non free to the sources list
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2448 [17:53:04] <kreyren> or any way to load it without squashfs ?
2449 [17:53:06] <B|ack0p> and ran update
2450 [17:53:08] <trek00> B|ack0p: on buster?
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2452 [17:53:16] <B|ack0p> trek00: yes debian 10 buster
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2454 [17:53:55] <humbot> sorry i linked the jessie package by mistake, buster says the same
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2456 [17:54:20] <B|ack0p> i added `contrib non-free` at the end of each lines
2457 [17:54:22] <B|ack0p> after `main`
2458 [17:54:36] <B|ack0p> 6 lines there are
2459 [17:54:55] <B|ack0p> can i enable mouse here? i cant use it
2460 [17:55:10] <B|ack0p> to copy-paste
2461 [17:55:28] <Bushmills> you could, but it a: needed another package, and b: depended on the console editor whether it will be any good
2462 [17:55:41] <trek00> kreyren: you can try to mount -oremount,size=5G /usr/lib/live/mount/medium
2463 [17:55:42] <Bushmills> copy paste would do in about any editor
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2466 [17:56:05] <Bushmills> you'd add package gpm
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2471 [17:56:30] <kreyren> trek00, O.O
2472 [17:56:36] <trek00> B|ack0p: apt-cache search -n firmware | grep amd is empty?
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2475 [17:57:02] <kreyren> trek00, seems to work O.o
2476 [17:57:15] <trek00> kreyren: then try again to install nvidia, but without persistence you will need to reinstall it every time
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2478 [17:58:16] <kreyren> df -h
2479 [17:58:19] <kreyren> mb
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2481 [17:58:34] <kreyren> trek00, solved ^^ thanks ^^
2482 [17:58:42] <trek00> good :)
2483 [17:59:36] <B|ack0p> trek00: WARNING: apt doesnt have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
2484 [17:59:44] <Bushmills> just informative
2485 [17:59:54] <trek00> B|ack0p: but we are not scripting now ;)
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2487 [17:59:55] <B|ack0p> apt-cache returned with this warning
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2489 [18:00:15] <kreyren> ^ someone should change that warning on INFO it's misrepresenting
2490 [18:00:25] <trek00> B|ack0p: you actually have problems adding non-free repository, as it can't find amd package
2491 [18:00:28] <Bushmills> "ote:"
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2494 [18:00:31] <Bushmills> "note:"
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2496 [18:00:42] <B|ack0p> trek00: what can i do? :(
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2498 [18:00:57] <B|ack0p> for days i am trying to get a stable linux.. i tried ubuntu and failed. now debian
2499 [18:01:03] <Bushmills> you forgot to "apt update"
2500 [18:01:08] <B|ack0p> Bushmills: i did
2501 [18:01:20] <B|ack0p> and apt -y upgrade as well
2502 [18:01:55] <EdePopede> > O0o.oops(): [daemon/add_mouse.c(90)]: Use -m device -t protocol [-o options]!
2503 [18:02:01] <EdePopede> wth is the 1337 crap?
2504 [18:02:20] <Bushmills> apt show firmware-amd-graphics
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2507 [18:03:02] <B|ack0p> Bushmills: returned with a lot of amd list
2508 [18:03:07] <Bushmills> apt install firmware-amd-graphics
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2510 [18:03:09] <B|ack0p> i cant scroll up
2511 [18:03:15] <trek00> EdePopede: it can't find mouse
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2513 [18:03:38] <Bushmills> that "show" was jus tto make sure that editing sources.list and update was successful
2514 [18:03:44] <EdePopede> trek00: no, that pseudo timestamp at the start of line
2515 [18:03:53] <B|ack0p> firmware-amd-graphics already newest 20180114-1
2516 [18:04:10] <EdePopede> had it before in the tty, didn't even see that the 2nd character is a 0
2517 [18:04:11] <B|ack0p> 20190114-1 8
2518 [18:04:12] <Bushmills> means you have it installed
2519 [18:04:13] <trek00> EdePopede: source code file with line number
2520 [18:04:16] <B|ack0p> yes
2521 [18:04:25] <B|ack0p> but still it fails to load ati gpu at boot
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2523 [18:04:42] <EdePopede> trek00: no
2524 [18:04:56] <trek00> B|ack0p: do you have installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ?
2525 [18:04:57] <B|ack0p> and stuck at Resuming from hibernation
2526 [18:05:01] <trek00> EdePopede: good
2527 [18:05:09] <B|ack0p> trek00: i did install mesa driver
2528 [18:05:15] <B|ack0p> let me show u which
2529 [18:05:41] <Bushmills> then it may be time to try (as user, not as root) to run startx
2530 [18:06:04] <B|ack0p> apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
2531 [18:06:39] <Bushmills> (startx is in package xinit, in case you don't have it)
2532 [18:06:41] <B|ack0p> i installed packages and driver as root
2533 [18:06:57] <EdePopede> oh, there's a dedicated channel. nice.
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2535 [18:07:21] <B|ack0p> what can i do?
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2539 [18:08:21] <Bushmills> explore your personal limits, maybe?
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2543 [18:10:27] <trek00> B|ack0p: what error message you get?
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2550 [18:11:39] <B|ack0p> finally i logged in
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2553 [18:11:51] <trek00> good! :)
2554 [18:11:51] <B|ack0p> but why is this terminal has white background instead of black?
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2557 [18:12:03] <Bushmills> depends on "this"
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2559 [18:12:07] <trek00> B|ack0p: it depends by the terminal setting
2560 [18:12:14] <trek00> B|ack0p: what terminal?
2561 [18:12:16] <B|ack0p> is it white by default?
2562 [18:12:20] <B|ack0p> debian terminal
2563 [18:12:24] <B|ack0p> debian 10
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2565 [18:12:25] <Bushmills> other answer may be "because you didn't change its settings"
2566 [18:12:54] <B|ack0p> is it white by default?
2567 [18:12:59] <trek00> B|ack0p: update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator
2568 [18:13:00] <humbot> you made it to the desktop B|ack0p ?
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2570 [18:13:13] <Bushmills> xterm -bg blue
2571 [18:13:16] <B|ack0p> humbot: yes finally! ?(
2572 [18:13:19] <B|ack0p> :)
2573 [18:13:20] <humbot> \o/
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2577 [18:14:02] <B|ack0p> trek00: still white.. should i close and open again?
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2579 [18:14:12] <humbot> fantastic, for a bit there i thought it wasn't going to work
2580 [18:14:17] <B|ack0p> by the way debian 10 is running slower than i expected
2581 [18:14:21] <trek00> B|ack0p: no, it's not windows ;))))
2582 [18:14:23] <B|ack0p> humbot: me too
2583 [18:14:32] <B|ack0p> trek00: but still whit
2584 [18:14:34] <B|ack0p> white
2585 [18:14:37] <humbot> newest windows driver seemed to be from 2015 for windows 7
2586 [18:14:38] * extor has a sources.list file from a year ago that was apparently created when squeeze was stable and when presumably buster was testing. With the system not having been touched for a year, what needs to be changed in the sources.list before running apt update in order to result in either a stable squeeze or a stable buster system replaced-url
2587 [18:14:47] <magic_ninja> I'm trying to use krunner to run a command
2588 [18:14:48] <trek00> B|ack0p: please to tell me the output of command i sent you
2589 [18:14:56] <magic_ninja> it doesn't seem to want to
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2593 [18:15:30] <humbot> my terminal changed i think when i switched desktop theme to dusk
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2595 [18:15:39] <humbot> but that is xfce :þ
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2597 [18:15:40] <dvs> !tell extor about release notes
2598 [18:15:41] <magic_ninja> Warning: Could not start program 'rspithos' with arguments 'rspithos'.
2599 [18:15:47] <magic_ninja> Warning: execve: Exec format error
2600 [18:15:51] <B|ack0p> trek00: replaced-url
2601 [18:16:01] <B|ack0p> why is it so slow? :/
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2604 [18:16:13] <trek00> B|ack0p: may be gnome?
2605 [18:16:17] <B|ack0p> maybe..
2606 [18:16:24] <B|ack0p> ubuntu gnome was faster
2607 [18:16:29] <trek00> B|ack0p: you can try xfce
2608 [18:16:29] <B|ack0p> but bad graphics
2609 [18:16:50] <magic_ninja> Ubuntu's gnome was probalby newer. IIRC there were a ton of bug fixes in recent versions.
2610 [18:17:05] <B|ack0p> ok
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2612 [18:17:26] <B|ack0p> another thing i am next to modem but when i say search network it cant find any connection wireless
2613 [18:17:32] <Bushmills> which program is slow?
2614 [18:17:42] <B|ack0p> i am currently on terminal/irssi
2615 [18:17:58] <Bushmills> hard to say what is slow with generalized statement "debian is slow" or "gnome is slow"
2616 [18:17:59] <B|ack0p> and firefox is open i guess
2617 [18:18:01] <trek00> B|ack0p: may be you need drivers for you wifi too?
2618 [18:18:09] <Bushmills> well, use a faster terminal
2619 [18:18:18] <B|ack0p> trek00: definitely.. intel pro ..
2620 [18:18:19] <Bushmills> many use xterm or rxvt
2621 [18:18:19] <B|ack0p> something
2622 [18:18:20] <trek00> Bushmills: gnome is slow :)
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2624 [18:18:44] <Bushmills> gnome is an agglomeration of parts
2625 [18:18:51] <Bushmills> some may be slower than others
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2630 [18:19:17] <B|ack0p> how can i install intel wifi drivers/
2631 [18:19:17] <B|ack0p> ?
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2633 [18:19:29] <B|ack0p> and change this terminal color? it will make me blind
2634 [18:19:43] <m0rd3cai> apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
2635 [18:19:49] <Bushmills> xterm -bg "#333333"
2636 [18:19:53] <m0rd3cai> if its intel wireless
2637 [18:19:57] <trek00> Bushmills: libgtk themes are slow, gnome shell is slow.. it leaks memory, it runs javascript in the main thread... too many things to count
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2641 [18:21:53] <B|ack0p> it s laggy
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2645 [18:22:41] <Bushmills> many like mate or xfce4 as replacement for gnome
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2647 [18:22:57] <cbthree> i installed Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) on my samsung chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from built in microphone. Can anyone help me overcome this problem?
2648 [18:23:10] <cbthree> chtrt5650 is my audio device
2649 [18:23:11] <m0rd3cai> Xfce4 for the win. I got rid of Gnome couple years ago and ive been real happy with xfce4
2650 [18:23:16] <Bushmills> partly because they prefer the "old" gnome user interface, partly because those are zippier
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2653 [18:23:37] <m___> back with wifi! thanks all for your help :)
2654 [18:23:39] <Bushmills> cinnamon is also enjoying growing popularity
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2658 [18:24:35] <trek00> cbthree: it seems unsupported: replaced-url
2659 [18:24:38] <black0p> i better use xfce or something because i noticed some annoying
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2661 [18:25:08] <m0rd3cai> black0p: definitely recommend xfce. alot easier to customize. much more lightweight.
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2663 [18:26:07] <black0p> very laggy
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2665 [18:26:13] <black0p> apt-get install xfce/
2666 [18:26:14] <black0p> ?
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2668 [18:26:24] <dvs> ,v xfce4
2669 [18:26:25] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; bullseye: 4.12.5; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5
2670 [18:26:25] <Bushmills> mind the trailing "4"
2671 [18:26:47] <trek00> black0p: you have an old card, whatever desktop you will use, remember to disable compositing!
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2674 [18:27:04] <black0p> ok
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2676 [18:27:33] <black0p> sudo apt install xfce4
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2678 [18:28:21] <cbthree> trek00, the microphone *does* work on several chromebook models but it seems my chromebook audio device is somewhat problematic when it comes to the microphone
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2682 [18:29:24] <black0p> another thing. how can i get this grub menu? > replaced-url
2683 [18:29:38] <black0p> i dont want grub with background. this blue one is cool
2684 [18:30:07] <Bushmills> interesting, popcon finds that gnome is on the descend, and has been for a few years: replaced-url
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2690 [18:32:41] <black0p> brb reboot
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2692 [18:33:18] <trek00> Bushmills: nice, it lost 1/3 of users in 3 years replaced-url
2693 [18:33:25] <humbot> don't forget the goodies
2694 [18:34:10] <trek00> cbthree: there are error messages? alsamixer shows your mic?
2695 [18:34:36] <cbthree> how can i find out?
2696 [18:34:40] <EdePopede> Bushmills: tried to compare against kde, mate... not even kde seems really relevant?
2697 [18:34:47] <Bushmills> trek00: seems that there's still hope
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2700 [18:35:09] <Bushmills> plasma-desktop is stagnating, at numbers lower than xfce4
2701 [18:35:13] <trek00> cbthree: sometimes inspecting /var/log/syslog you can see some messges related to your hardware
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2711 [18:42:15] <trek00> replaced-url
2712 [18:42:17] <trek00> :)
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2714 [18:45:19] <ilikeyou> pulled this from another channel. for the kde ppl: replaced-url
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2716 [18:46:01] <Bushmills> none gaining really hard. looks like everyone is waitung for the new killer-environment
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2718 [18:46:13] <trek00> ilikeyou: these .desktop files introduced by redhat/freedekstop/xdg
2719 [18:47:10] <ilikeyou> hmm i c
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2722 [18:47:22] <trek00> Bushmills: it seems xfce+cinnamon+mate is where gnome users gone
2723 [18:47:27] <B|ackop> xcfe is super fast
2724 [18:47:35] <B|ackop> feels like 20 yrs ago lol
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2726 [18:47:49] <Bushmills> trek00: indeed, and also quite expected
2727 [18:47:55] <B|ackop> icons/style looks too ancient
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2729 [18:48:06] <trek00> ilikeyou: to make desktop simpler, like windows, many security holes will be opened, like windows :)
2730 [18:48:44] <OerHeks> ilikeyou, old news, already fixed in KDE Frameworks 5.61.0
2731 [18:48:44] <EdePopede> nothing against (optional!) directory specific settings, but desktops really shouldn't trying to copy all the crap windows (or apple) did during the last 20 years. or 30.
2732 [18:48:49] <trek00> B|ackop: try another theme :)
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2734 [18:49:06] <B|ackop> i like it. it suits on my old laptop :p
2735 [18:49:08] <Bushmills> B|ackop: cinnamon looks more modern than xfce4, while still being quite fast. seems to have taken a lot from compiz desktop
2736 [18:49:17] <B|ackop> but i wanna change grub background
2737 [18:49:19] <trek00> EdePopede: totally agree
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2739 [18:49:38] <B|ackop> Bushmills: it is ok. i need to get use to debian and xcfe then i can change things
2740 [18:49:47] <ilikeyou> trek00: sad but true :(
2741 [18:49:49] <B|ackop> first how can i change grub background?
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2744 [18:50:22] <humbot> in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub
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2746 [18:50:30] <B|ackop> replaced-url
2747 [18:50:39] <B|ackop> i want this default one without background
2748 [18:50:40] <B|ackop> it is cool
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2751 [18:50:54] <B|ackop> humbot: i checked that but there s no line about background
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2754 [18:51:30] <Bushmills> wasn't it enough to simply remove the background image?
2755 [18:51:33] <humbot> oh that is not gfxmode
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2757 [18:51:54] <Bushmills> sorry, long time ago that i did make grub boot menu minimal.
2758 [18:52:02] <B|ackop> here is my /etc/default/grub : replaced-url
2759 [18:52:17] <trek00> B|ackop: may be uninstall grub-splashimages
2760 [18:52:22] <B|ackop> how?
2761 [18:52:27] <cbthree> dillo, a web browser which most of my fellow GNU/Linux users call abandonware (last version was released over 4 years ago) is in the official debian repo but netsurf is not. netsurf latest version was released less than a month ago and the one before that was released in August last year
2762 [18:52:43] <dvs> B|ackop, or uncomment GRUB_CONSOLE?
2763 [18:52:46] <trek00> B|ackop: apt remove grub-splashimages
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2765 [18:53:19] <B|ackop> ok
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2768 [18:53:33] <B|ackop> which one? uncomment GRUB_CONSOLE or remove splash image?
2769 [18:53:59] <trek00> cbthree: surf is in buster
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2771 [18:54:10] <ilikeyou> grub-customizer worked for me, if i may say. GUI, if ur ok with it..
2772 [18:54:11] <cbthree> surf?
2773 [18:54:14] <Bushmills> get rid of images
2774 [18:54:22] <dvs> B|ackop, up to you but I think GRUB_TERMINAL=console will get you the look in your picture
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2776 [18:54:35] <B|ackop> let me try
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2778 [18:54:53] <cbthree> trek00, surf is not replaced-url
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2780 [18:55:14] <B|ackop> by the way is there on screen indicator symbols like as gnome on xcfe for volume up/down?
2781 [18:55:18] <trek00> cbthree: sorry, get confused by names
2782 [18:55:21] <B|ackop> mute ..etc ?
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2785 [18:56:21] <humbot> there's a panel plugin
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2787 [18:56:33] <Bushmills> volume indicators when pushing hardware volume buttons exist and show (cinnamon), so they can presumably show with xfce4 too
2788 [18:57:08] <humbot> oh the shaded temporary display works yes
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2790 [18:57:35] <Bushmills> looking like replaced-url
2791 [18:57:42] <B|ackop> Bushmills: not showing. it was one of the problems i faced in ubuntu-gnome.
2792 [18:58:11] <B|ackop> Bushmills: how can i get it working?
2793 [18:58:32] <Bushmills> i did nothing for those, came configured by default
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2795 [18:59:20] <B|ackop> i dont know why is it a problem for me.. in ubuntu i couldnt get them working either..
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2797 [18:59:20] <Bushmills> how to enable in xfce4, if that's necessary, I have no idea.
2798 [18:59:29] <trek00> cbthree: it seems that netsurf does not support javascript like dillo: have you ever try firefox with javascript disabled? it's really fast
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2800 [18:59:36] <B|ackop> on this old laptop only. on other laptops they are working
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2802 [19:00:22] <trek00> B|ackop: there is a configuration window on xfce, with all the plugins (like volman) if i remember right
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2804 [19:00:26] <Bushmills> old laptop here too
2805 [19:00:39] <Bushmills> (if 7 or 8 years can be called "old")
2806 [19:00:48] <B|ackop> what about 13 yrs old? :p
2807 [19:00:51] <B|ackop> ancient maybe lol
2808 [19:01:07] <B|ackop> trek00: i am checking. thx
2809 [19:01:18] <trek00> if a computer runs fine it can't be ancient, it's only well tested ;)
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2812 [19:01:55] <Bushmills> matter of terms used. I'd usually not refer to my devices as "old" even though others would
2813 [19:02:01] <humbot> “The Thinkpad hotkeys aren't all handled the same way : Some are captured as ACPI, some aren't”
2814 [19:02:06] <B|ackop> i couldnt find xcfe configs..
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2816 [19:02:33] <B|ackop> humbot: my other thinkpads hotkeys working fine on ubuntu but not this one
2817 [19:02:33] <trek00> B|ackop: it's at the top of menu
2818 [19:02:35] <Professor1> hello
2819 [19:02:48] <Professor1> can someone help me with a console script
2820 [19:02:57] <Bushmills> how should we know?
2821 [19:03:00] <cbthree> trek00, web pages were displayed way better in netsurf. dillo is very lacking in features and browsing with it is very infuriating sice it does not display most webpages properly
2822 [19:03:02] <trek00> Professor1: sure, ask and wait
2823 [19:03:33] <Professor1> bconfig = {basebet: 0.00000002, wait: 700};
2824 [19:03:34] <Professor1> hilo = 'lo';
2825 [19:03:34] <Professor1> stopped = false;
2826 [19:03:34] <Professor1> multiplier = 2.00;
2827 [19:03:34] <Professor1> rollDice = function()
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2832 [19:03:54] <Bushmills> !paste
2833 [19:03:54] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2834 [19:03:59] <Professor1> that is the script
2835 [19:04:10] <Professor1> ok
2836 [19:04:24] <trek00> cbthree: I never tried netsurf, but there are so many bugs on web rendering engines, that i can't trust browsers without large userbase, disabling javascript on firefox you'll get more than 10x improvement
2837 [19:04:53] <Bushmills> shell scripts don't like decimal points in arithmetic expressions
2838 [19:04:55] <trek00> Professor1: what language?
2839 [19:05:58] <Professor1> replaced-url
2840 [19:06:14] <trek00> cbthree: to be honest there are many things to disable on firefox :) replaced-url
2841 [19:06:17] <Bushmills> start script with a hashbang
2842 [19:06:20] <cbthree> trek00, dillo has been abandoned and netsurf is currently/actively being developed
2843 [19:06:26] <Bushmills> !hashbang
2844 [19:06:26] <dpkg> i heard shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". replaced-url
2845 [19:06:31] <Professor1> it is a script you paste into your browsers console for ther casino site freebitco.in
2846 [19:06:40] <trek00> Professor1: this is javascript, running under nodejs may be?
2847 [19:06:57] <Professor1> i think java script, yes
2848 [19:07:09] <Professor1> heard of pascal and cobalt b4
2849 [19:07:20] <Professor1> so the script, bets a minimum
2850 [19:07:31] <trek00> Professor1: it's really out of scope here
2851 [19:07:40] <Professor1> usually, you would declare a variable, basebet and assign it a value
2852 [19:07:58] <trek00> cbthree: i was talking about firefox (with javascript off)
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2858 [19:10:13] <Professor1> all i know is that you can paste it into the developer tools> console, then you press enter and it works
2859 [19:10:18] <Professor1> it is javascript
2860 [19:10:27] <cbthree> a friend who i believe runs archlinux on his Pentium 4 (yes, Pentium 4) is very happy with netfsurf. Firefox was unbearably slow and for all purposed unusable, used to constantly crash on the Pentium 4 with and without javascript enabled.
2861 [19:10:29] <Professor1> i want to add a basebet to the program
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2864 [19:11:12] <trek00> cbthree: you should try to disable javascript on firefox and you get netsurf comparable performances
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2866 [19:11:29] <Professor1> i can give you some other examples of these console scripts if you like
2867 [19:11:44] <trek00> cbthree: sorry I read now last sentence
2868 [19:11:45] <Bushmills> I had some instability issues with netsurf too. That was on ARM SBCs
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2870 [19:12:09] <Professor1> i remember netscape navigator gold 3.02
2871 [19:12:19] <Professor1> has a webpage builder on it
2872 [19:12:27] <m0rd3cai> quick question, if a private key was deleted and I still have the private part of the key, it is possible to create another public key based on the private key?
2873 [19:12:35] <cbthree> trek00, he did disable javascript on Firefox and still it was dead slow and unstable. Remember, it is a Pentium 4 we are talking about.
2874 [19:12:36] <m0rd3cai> public key deleted*
2875 [19:12:46] <Professor1> i uploaded a picture of YODA from starwars on the replaced-url
2876 [19:13:14] <Professor1> replaced-url
2877 [19:13:15] <Bushmills> m0rd3cai: "private key was deleted and I still have the private part of the key" - i guess you'll have to device whether or not it was deleted
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2879 [19:13:32] <Professor1> goto this website and use the ' Bip 39 ' to get your public ket
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2881 [19:13:41] <Professor1> or replaced-url
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2884 [19:13:54] <cbthree> Professor1, and i remember mosaic. What is your point?
2885 [19:14:18] <Bushmills> m0rd3cai: if public key was used anywhere, you can retrieve it from there. If it wasn't, just create a new key pair
2886 [19:14:26] <Professor1> aww.. its just a good browser i thought. browsers now a days dont have webpage editors
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2888 [19:15:00] <m0rd3cai> Bushmills: yes i messed the explanation. Public key was deleted from pc on accident. I still have the private portion of the key (saved in the router for admin access). Can i rebuild the public key with the private portion of key. the only issue with just creating a new one is being locked out of 4-5 systems locked down by that key.
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2890 [19:15:26] <Bushmills> get the public key from one of those 5 systems
2891 [19:15:52] <Bushmills> as long as you have the private key, you still have access
2892 [19:15:57] <Professor1> I believe something like a bip 39 will work for your old public key. doesn't it list all possible key combinations
2893 [19:16:15] <Professor1> i dunno
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2895 [19:17:40] <m0rd3cai> Bushmills: ok, ill give that a shot when I get onsite. thanks
2896 [19:18:04] <Professor1> Always keep a paper copy of yuor crypto keys
2897 [19:18:31] <Bushmills> yes, an stick it to the wall, where everybody can take a photo of it
2898 [19:18:51] <oiaohm> Bushmills: replaced-url
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2900 [19:19:03] <Bushmills> oiaohm: -> m0rd3cai
2901 [19:19:10] <humbot> oh my
2902 [19:19:33] <trek00> Bushmills: paper copy of crypto keys is a good think may be closed with a physical key
2903 [19:20:09] <oiaohm> m0rd3cai: replaced-url
2904 [19:20:29] <humbot> blackop uncommented GRUB_TERMINAL=console and never came back :o
2905 [19:20:31] <oiaohm> m0rd3cai: the pem file is not just the private key is the pair.
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2907 [19:20:58] <oiaohm> Bushmills: sorry about the opps.
2908 [19:21:13] <Bushmills> no problem, nobody got hurt
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2915 [19:25:46] <m0rd3cai> oiaohm: i will have to check for the .pem as of this moment I can only find the private key contents saved in my router.
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2917 [19:27:18] <oiaohm> m0rd3cai: you do have to check if that private key is a pem fire all not.
2918 [19:27:28] <oiaohm> fire/file
2919 [19:27:57] <Professor1> Always save your keys on a piece of paper, not just on electronics
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2926 [19:32:27] <trek00> Professor1: I agree, always print your keys and seal them in a locked strongbox
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2933 [19:34:14] <Professor1> there are different ways to store your keys electronically, but on a piece of paper is the other way
2934 [19:34:51] <Professor1> you can store it electronically 100 different ways, doesn't mean the infor cant be lost. watch out for the city wide blackout
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2947 [19:43:00] <rant> I sew mine into the waist band of my underwear with a read thread in binary.. over for a 1, under for a 0 :D
2948 [19:43:09] <rant> s/read/red/
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2950 [19:44:43] <Nothing4You> is there something like netfilter-persistent + iptables-persistent for nft?
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2953 [19:47:22] <Bushmills> Nothing4You: I write firewall commands to file including the commands, then load that file from interfaces or whatever is meant to activate or add to those rules
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2955 [19:48:09] <Bushmills> Seems to me easier to maintain compared to a snapshot of current firewall configuration
2956 [19:49:17] <Nothing4You> i mean it's mostly a wrapper for iptables-save anyways
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2958 [19:50:27] <Nothing4You> with nftables i guess i have to do something like `nft list ruleset > /etc/nftables.conf` in addition to including "!/usr/sbin/nft -f\nflush ruleset" at the top
2959 [19:50:55] <trek00> Nothing4You: may be this help you? replaced-url
2960 [19:51:30] <trek00> Nothing4You: nft -f ruleset.nft could do the trick
2961 [19:51:38] <Nothing4You> trek00: that's just for loading
2962 [19:51:55] <Nothing4You> i'm looking for the "intended" way of persisting current rules
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2964 [19:53:21] <trek00> Nothing4You: in same wiki, may be ebtables-nft-save?
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2969 [19:54:41] <SerajewelKS> i use scripts to generate an nft config and pipe it to nft -f -
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2971 [19:55:16] <SerajewelKS> it's easier to maintain for me; i can use variables and other shell tools to auto-generate multiple sections
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2973 [19:55:57] <trek00> SerajewelKS: I totally agree, it's simpler to audit
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3014 [20:22:34] <rant> wth is up with dh_make? is it suppose to be so damn annoying? it keeps prompting questions on a timer like it should be playng jeopardy music and shit..
3015 [20:23:09] <rant> I dont even get a chance to read whats on the screen and think about the answer before it pops the damn question up again
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3057 [20:44:10] <galaxie> Hi, I'm attempting to upgrade from Jessie to Stretch. I acquired an older machine and it had Jessie backports in the sources.list. Didn't work. I replaced it with what I assume is the right URL (archive.debian.org), but then it's giving "Updates for this repository will not be applied" - should I worry about Jessie backports at all?
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3059 [20:44:27] <asymptotically> i think that you should remove the backports from your sources.list
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3061 [20:44:51] <galaxie> asymptotically: So it's not important for upgrading at this step?
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3063 [20:45:31] <humpled> jessie-backports no longer exists
3064 [20:46:02] <trek00> galaxie: backports are newer version of packages ported to older debian version, so if you upgrade debian, you'll get these newer versions without the need of a backport
3065 [20:46:03] <galaxie> humpled: I can see that, I just was wondering if the archive would help with upgrading a few packages first or something.
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3067 [20:46:32] <galaxie> trek00: Ah, OK, that makes sense now.
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3072 [20:48:22] <cbthree> trek00, buster-backports repo features quite a few packages whose names are not at all familiar to the vast majority of debian users. Moreover, linux 5.x is nowhere to be found there.
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3113 [21:16:23] <B|ack0p> hi
3114 [21:17:03] <diogenes_> hi
3115 [21:17:05] <B|ack0p> when i set the time for my location clock is disappearing from the top panel xfce.
3116 [21:17:39] <B|ack0p> i remove clock and re-add again then it appears but when i reboot it changes the clock back to default time not my location
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3120 [21:19:02] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, that's a bug and here is the workaround that worked for me, you set the locationa nd whatever then, you don't close the properties dialog but just log out and log back.
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3122 [21:19:21] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: is that the solution? O.o
3123 [21:19:28] <B|ack0p> odd solution lol
3124 [21:19:32] <B|ack0p> but ok if it works
3125 [21:19:59] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, yes that's odd because if you close properties dialog, the clock disappears and you lose all the settings.
3126 [21:20:02] <diogenes_> weird bug.
3127 [21:20:08] <B|ack0p> another problem with location/keyboard layout that how can i put language selection bar in top panel?
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3129 [21:20:27] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: is that bug related with xfce only?
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3131 [21:20:37] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, add keyboard layout plugin to the panel.
3132 [21:20:52] <B|ack0p> hmm let me check
3133 [21:21:03] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, that bug is related to that clock plugin, there is a better one called orage, you can try that one.
3134 [21:21:27] <B|ack0p> where can i choose language? there is no language in default items
3135 [21:21:36] <B|ack0p> when i try to add to panel-1
3136 [21:21:51] <B|ack0p> i dont know to put/install plugins :/
3137 [21:21:57] <diogenes_> you need to set the languages in the settings > keyboard first
3138 [21:21:58] <B|ack0p> i am new in debian and xfce
3139 [21:22:15] <B|ack0p> i did. i added 2 keyboard layout
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3141 [21:22:35] <diogenes_> ad now, tight click on the panel > panel > add new items
3142 [21:22:53] <diogenes_> look for Keyboard Layouts
3143 [21:22:56] <B|ack0p> panel preferences > panel-1 > add items ?
3144 [21:23:14] <diogenes_> yes to the panel you want.
3145 [21:23:20] <B|ack0p> there s no language bar
3146 [21:23:25] <B|ack0p> nothing about language
3147 [21:23:40] <diogenes_> screenshot
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3149 [21:24:04] <B|ack0p> ok
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3152 [21:24:37] <B|ack0p> lol i cant even take screenshot.. it needs another addon i think
3153 [21:24:47] <B|ack0p> not much ready apps like ubuntu
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3155 [21:24:56] <diogenes_> hit insert
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3157 [21:25:00] <diogenes_> or print
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3159 [21:25:22] <diogenes_> host to imgur
3160 [21:25:54] <B|ack0p> i have prtscr button but there is no app to take screenshot in debian :p
3161 [21:25:57] <B|ack0p> fresh installed today
3162 [21:26:06] <B|ack0p> and i dont know how to use debian ..
3163 [21:26:13] <diogenes_> ok open terminal
3164 [21:26:19] <B|ack0p> ok
3165 [21:26:39] <diogenes_> run: xfce4-screenshooter
3166 [21:26:41] <B|ack0p> i am familiar with ubuntu because it is easy but debian is a bit complicated for me
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3168 [21:27:06] <diogenes_> it's not about distro
3169 [21:27:13] <diogenes_> it's about desktop environment
3170 [21:27:26] <B|ack0p> :~$ xfce4-screenshooter
3171 [21:27:26] <B|ack0p> bash: xfce4-screenshooter: command not found
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3173 [21:27:42] <diogenes_> sudo apt install xfce4-screenshooter
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3175 [21:28:10] <B|ack0p> ok wait.. i will take screenshot
3176 [21:28:14] <jhutchins> ,v roundcube
3177 [21:28:15] <judd> Package: roundcube on amd64 -- stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u3; bullseye: 1.3.8+dfsg.1-2; buster: 1.3.8+dfsg.1-2; sid: 1.3.8+dfsg.1-2; experimental: 1.4~rc1+dfsg.2-1
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3179 [21:28:29] <B|ack0p> no luck
3180 [21:28:32] <B|ack0p> doesnt take
3181 [21:29:08] <diogenes_> did you install?
3182 [21:29:15] <B|ack0p> yes
3183 [21:29:21] <diogenes_> run: xfce4-screenshooter
3184 [21:29:25] <diogenes_> in terminal
3185 [21:29:27] <B|ack0p> ok
3186 [21:31:20] <humbot> mine works on the PrtSc key
3187 [21:32:07] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: replaced-url
3188 [21:32:17] <B|ack0p> humbot: everything is buggy for me on this old laptop :/
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3192 [21:33:13] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, now look at mine: replaced-url
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3194 [21:33:33] <Mathisen> B|ack0p, sudo apt install xfce4-goodies
3195 [21:33:38] <diogenes_> and i repeated several time, the name of the plugin is Keyboard layout and not language
3196 [21:33:40] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: i cant open imgur images..
3197 [21:33:51] <diogenes_> read what i said ^^^
3198 [21:33:53] <B|ack0p> blocked here..
3199 [21:33:55] <B|ack0p> ok
3200 [21:34:09] <diogenes_> and use some vpn if you want.
3201 [21:34:13] <jhutchins> That's odd. Maybe I never noticed before, but it seems like tap-to-click isn't working.
3202 [21:34:51] <B|ack0p> ok
3203 [21:34:53] <diogenes_> jhutchins, yes, because buster comes woth no synaptic driver, i had to install that one to get tap-to-click.
3204 [21:35:51] <jhutchins> Another odd thing, aptitude upgrade just installed a new kernel. I tought that required full-/dist-upgrade
3205 [21:36:33] <jhutchins> Stretch, with synaptic installed.
3206 [21:36:49] <diogenes_> jhutchins, what DE?
3207 [21:36:54] <jhutchins> I think I'll reboot. xfce
3208 [21:37:03] <B|ack0p> i installed goodies..
3209 [21:37:13] <B|ack0p> xfce is really ugly lol
3210 [21:37:29] <Mathisen> xfce is ugly as default but really easy to customize
3211 [21:37:31] <jhutchins> I think I did too, and I don't find it ugly. Gnome yes.
3212 [21:37:32] <diogenes_> jhutchins, replaced-url
3213 [21:37:38] <Mathisen> you should have more panels now if you installed goodies
3214 [21:38:04] <B|ack0p> i put keyboard layout in panel it shows big country flag. it would be nice just letters like `EN` or `DE` `FR` instead of flag
3215 [21:38:08] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, fire up a live manjaro and you can see how beautiful xfce can be, you wn't even tell that is xfce.
3216 [21:38:10] <jezebel> dist-upgrade is about whether your installed packages will be removed
3217 [21:38:16] <jhutchins> Goodies installed as well.
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3219 [21:38:47] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, right click and properties and Show layout as: text
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3221 [21:39:12] <B|ack0p> if i can install manjaro as a pack i would like to try. earlier i installed a theme but icons were lacking so it looked like an old patched cloth
3222 [21:39:25] <jhutchins> diogenes_: I got burned badly enough by mandrake that I have no interest in manjaro. That distro has always put appearance over function.
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3224 [21:39:37] <humbot> i always change the word 'Applications' in the panel to 'menu'
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3226 [21:39:50] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: cool thx for that. now it shows text only
3227 [21:39:52] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, herw is how you try it in your browser: replaced-url
3228 [21:39:56] <diogenes_> just click start
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3232 [21:40:26] <B|ack0p> ok
3233 [21:40:32] <diogenes_> jhutchins, i don't like it either, just how they theme xfce is cool i thought.
3234 [21:41:24] <B|ack0p> another issue with pulse audio is when i push volume buttons on my keyboard it doesnt show up on screen display. but when i set volume in pulse audio itself manually it shows up.. how can i make my keyboard buttons show on screen display on?
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3238 [21:43:01] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, go to settings > notifications > applications and see if volume control is enabled.
3239 [21:43:12] <diogenes_> enable them all.
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3241 [21:44:03] <jezebel> if you're using pulseaudio. check the panel plugin settings
3242 [21:44:13] <Mathisen> also make sure you have pavucontrol installed
3243 [21:44:36] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: yes it is enabled
3244 [21:45:10] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, now right click on the volume icon > properties > show notifications ...
3245 [21:45:12] <humbot> it did say on the wiki that not all keys seem to be recognised by acpi
3246 [21:45:17] <B|ack0p> jezebel: in panel plugin settings it is also enabled " enable keyboard shortcuts for volume control
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3248 [21:45:34] <B|ack0p> also show notifications is enabled too
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3250 [21:45:56] <B|ack0p> humbot: in ubuntu i had acpi faulty maybe it effects on debian too :/
3251 [21:46:09] <B|ack0p> but it works on windows with proper drivers
3252 [21:46:13] <jezebel> are you on a laptop?
3253 [21:46:16] <B|ack0p> yes
3254 [21:46:19] <B|ack0p> thinkpad
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3256 [21:46:27] <jezebel> have you tried googling what other people have odne with your model to set things up?
3257 [21:46:44] <B|ack0p> i found something about that but couldnt manage it working
3258 [21:46:46] <B|ack0p> let me show u
3259 [21:46:53] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, you can try to boot the system with different acpi_osi combinations and maybe you're lucky to get everything working.
3260 [21:46:53] <karlpinc> B|ack0p: It is possible that you need non-free firmware? Do the logs say anything?
3261 [21:47:19] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
3262 [21:47:25] <jezebel> i'm on a x230, running xfce, the multimedia keys work
3263 [21:47:30] <B|ack0p> karlpinc: where can i check logs?
3264 [21:47:41] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: how? in bios?
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3266 [21:47:54] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, in grub menu.
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3268 [21:49:15] <B|ack0p> here how that guy managed to work on screen display with volume buttons: replaced-url
3269 [21:49:25] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: i dont know how to do that
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3271 [21:49:51] <B|ack0p> jezebel: i have x230 too it is quite new comparing my t60
3272 [21:50:37] <B|ack0p> i have t400 too i am sure everything would work on it without problem.. but t60 is somehow buggy
3273 [21:50:43] <B|ack0p> even it is excellent machine
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3279 [21:53:49] <Insanity_> Anyone here having issues with Steam + vulkandriverquery (proc). Each time I launch steam, it launches that proc which uses a steady 25% cpu power without actually running a game
3280 [21:54:05] <Insanity_> I can just kill that proc each time I launch steam and everything runs just fine...
3281 [21:54:13] <jezebel> B|ack0p… so which is it that you're having issues with? the t60? have you seen this? replaced-url
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3288 [21:56:29] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
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3291 [21:56:55] <jezebel> also look on replaced-url
3292 [21:56:56] <B|ack0p> jezebel: we were reading same thing
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3297 [21:58:11] <B|ack0p> volume up/down/mute doesnt work
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3299 [21:58:35] <B|ack0p> i am not sure if screen brightness have onscreen display
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3301 [21:58:49] <B|ack0p> i dont see bluetooth icon on top panel
3302 [21:59:06] <B|ack0p> i didnt test it yet
3303 [21:59:21] <B|ack0p> i installed nonfree intel wifi driver today and wifi working
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3305 [21:59:55] <B|ack0p> i should test about 10 Fn key combinations.. i dont think i can get all of them working
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3317 [22:00:56] <B|ack0p> if i can get on screen indicator symbols working i will be happy by now
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3321 [22:01:28] <jezebel> you're not the first and wont be the last :)
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3323 [22:01:51] <B|ack0p> first about?
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3325 [22:02:21] <Cyb0ti> on screen indicator symbols
3326 [22:02:22] <B|ack0p> i struggled a lot on this old laptop :p for me not that old but linux community thinks it is ancient lol
3327 [22:02:57] <jezebel> installing debian on that hardware :)
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3330 [22:03:33] <B|ack0p> i expected debian gives better solution than ubuntu :p
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3339 [22:04:58] <Bushmills> maybe your machine is, after all, "old" indeed :)
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3343 [22:05:23] <B|ack0p> yes i am getting use to it :/
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3347 [22:06:02] <B|ack0p> but still i expect better support for old machines from Linux..
3348 [22:06:03] <jezebel> some things will require workarounds, like key mapping or utility scripts
3349 [22:06:06] <B|ack0p> it is not windows at all
3350 [22:06:09] <jezebel> always been that way
3351 [22:06:11] <cbthree> Bushmills, my machine is less than 2 years old but so far i haven't been able to solve the problem i reported
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3355 [22:07:05] <jezebel> in the absence of manufacturer support, linux hardware support is predicated on someone knowledgable spending the time/energy to get it working ;)
3356 [22:07:13] <Bushmills> recent machines can cause problems sometimes indeed, especially when support for specific hardware isn't there yet, or still buggy/incomplete
3357 [22:07:43] <B|ack0p> right..
3358 [22:07:50] <jezebel> just because it's old, doesnt mean it will work :D
3359 [22:08:05] <B|ack0p> lol
3360 [22:08:12] <Bushmills> it's often a good idea to avoid the very last of hardware available if you plan to use it with Linux
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3363 [22:09:20] <jezebel> you have more chances there will be someone if you're using popular hardware like thinkpads though
3364 [22:09:41] <B|ack0p> is there a tool to check installed devices and not working devices like device manager in windows?
3365 [22:09:52] <B|ack0p> to show if their drivers installed properly
3366 [22:10:02] <B|ack0p> and see problematic devices
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3368 [22:10:07] <Bushmills> or you look what's inside the machine. some stuff is better supported than others
3369 [22:10:29] <cbthree> Bushmills, my machine is not the latest hardware!
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3375 [22:11:38] <Bushmills> then our ideas of what defines the age of a machine may differ
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3377 [22:12:06] <B|ack0p> this is my full spec: replaced-url
3378 [22:12:07] <Bushmills> possible difference between purchasing and developing/building
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3380 [22:12:46] <jezebel> define 'working'
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3384 [22:14:23] <Bushmills> "the machine transfers energy to its surroundings" :)
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3386 [22:14:41] <jezebel> oh i meant B|ack0p's question
3387 [22:14:58] <Bushmills> glad to help out
3388 [22:15:14] <B|ack0p> to see which devices causing problem in linux
3389 [22:15:49] <B|ack0p> u know in windows there is device manager which shows device list and drivers.. if there is devices without driver it shows as unknown device
3390 [22:16:01] <jezebel> it depends, but check your kernel logs i guess
3391 [22:16:09] <B|ack0p> var/log ?
3392 [22:16:17] <jezebel> /var/log/messages
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3400 [22:17:51] <jezebel> kern.log if you wanna be more specific
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3402 [22:18:39] <joepublic> liquid hydrocarbon fuel can be used to cause a given machine to transfer energy to its surroundings, though this is rarely optimal
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3404 [22:19:08] <Bushmills> but it's work in a thermodynamical sense
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3406 [22:19:24] <Bushmills> that doesn't say anything about efficiency
3407 [22:19:48] <Bushmills> justs about increasing entropy
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3409 [22:20:52] <joepublic> I have an AMD FX that gets pretty hot, too.
3410 [22:21:33] <Bushmills> it has a sticker on it saying "the end of the universe is nigh"
3411 [22:21:50] <joepublic> well, for various definitions of "nigh"...
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3413 [22:22:30] <B|ack0p> kern.log is large file, i couldnt paste it
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3440 [22:36:22] <trek00> B|ack0p: to get a list of your devices you can use lspci -k and you can check if most important things (audio, video, network, usb) have a kernel module loaded
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3443 [22:37:00] <jhutchins> Turns out the solution on stretch/buster is to REMOVE synaptic and install libinput and Xev
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3451 [22:43:34] <B|ack0p> in kern.log there are some warnings and failures
3452 [22:43:40] <B|ack0p> trek00:
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3455 [22:45:12] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
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3458 [22:46:26] <trek00> B|ack0p: it seems it's all working
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3469 [22:50:45] <B|ack0p> and the solution is : replaced-url
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3471 [22:51:00] <B|ack0p> finally volume buttons working!
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3473 [22:51:36] <B|ack0p> cat /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_all_mask > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_mask
3474 [22:52:41] <B|ack0p> does it show same on screen display for screen brightness in your systems?
3475 [22:52:53] <B|ack0p> or there is not for brightness already?
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3478 [22:54:00] <coruja> B|ack0p, maybe you want to install hardinfo (or something similar), a gui system/hardware monitor tool
3479 [22:54:15] <B|ack0p> maybe
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3492 [22:59:15] <B|ack0p> hardinfo shows OPenGL unknown
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3498 [22:59:55] <B|ack0p> brb to reboot
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3521 [23:07:20] <B|ack0p> 2 issues; 1- it doesnt save my command `cat /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_all_mask > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_mask`
3522 [23:07:30] <B|ack0p> it disables hotkeys after reboot
3523 [23:07:38] <B|ack0p> i had to apply the command again to enable it
3524 [23:07:52] <B|ack0p> 2- keyboard layout plugin on top panel doesnt change layout..
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3535 [23:14:13] <trek00> B|ack0p: is the module loaded? lsmod | grep thinkpad_acpi
3536 [23:14:32] <B|ack0p> let me check
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3541 [23:15:34] <B|ack0p> trek00: replaced-url
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3543 [23:16:16] <galaxie> Upgrade to Stretch worked flawlessly, or, at least, I haven't found anything wrong yet.
3544 [23:17:07] <trek00> B|ack0p: don't know why it need this workaround then
3545 [23:17:57] <B|ack0p> at the end of the article he applied new commands which enables screen brightness hotkeys as well.. it is fantastic to get it working but i dont know how to save all of those
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3549 [23:18:30] <trek00> B|ack0p: which url? :)
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3551 [23:18:51] <B|ack0p> trek00: replaced-url
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3553 [23:18:53] <B|ack0p> this one
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3555 [23:19:03] <B|ack0p> guy solved the problem with hotkeys
3556 [23:19:13] <karlpinc> galaxie: May as well go to buster.
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3558 [23:19:15] <B|ack0p> also 2-3 Fn combinations working
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3560 [23:19:21] <B|ack0p> not all but some
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3563 [23:20:18] <B|ack0p> i would like to thank him :) he mentions that not sure if it saves the configs because he didnt reboot yet. no update about it..
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3567 [23:20:46] <B|ack0p> so as i tested after reboot all the settings disappearing
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3576 [23:24:12] <roflbot> I have problems using two different usb cdroms on my debian machine. Tested on a raspberry pi now, and works great. What could be stopping it from working on my main computer? cdparanoia -Q just tells me that "Drive is neither a CDROM nor a WORM device" while on the raspberry with raspian it works as expected.
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3584 [23:25:43] <jhutchins> roflbot: define "using". Define CDROM - drive or disk? Define "works".
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3590 [23:28:17] <trek00> B|ack0p: it seems there was a bug marked as fixed #521280 about these hotkeys, anyway you can put workaourd commands to rc.local (before the exit 0 line)
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3593 [23:28:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3594 [23:28:46] <trek00> B|ack0p: /etc/rc.local
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3601 [23:30:11] <B|ack0p> trek00: there s no /etc/rc.local should i create one?
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3603 [23:31:33] <humpled> the proper answer is probably no, use systemd,
3604 [23:31:45] <humpled> but we don't know about that so yes
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3606 [23:32:08] <B|ack0p> :~$ ls -l /etc/rc.local
3607 [23:32:08] <B|ack0p> ls: cannot access '/etc/rc.local': No such file or directory
3608 [23:32:49] <humpled> create it as root, start with #!/bin/sh -e and end with exit 0
3609 [23:32:57] <trek00> sorry may be systemd acts different,anyone knows how to add a command at boot?
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3613 [23:35:47] <trek00> humpled: thanks :)
3614 [23:36:31] <B|ack0p> let me try
3615 [23:36:40] * B|ack0p brb to reboot
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3617 [23:37:08] <BCMM> roflbot: can you pastebin dmesg output when you plug it in?
3618 [23:37:09] <jhutchins> !rc.local
3619 [23:37:09] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
3620 [23:37:39] <BCMM> roflbot: a common problem with USB CD drives is that they technically draw more power than allowed by the USB spec, so the only work on some USB ports
3621 [23:38:02] <BCMM> if you have usb3 ports, try it on one of those
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3627 [23:39:55] <jhutchins> BCMM: We don't even know if he's talking about discs or external drives at this point. Yeah, some external USB drives have dual cables so they can draw on two ports, or a separate power supply.
3628 [23:40:11] <roflbot> BCMM: I thought that at first, but then I got a old-school bulky cdrom with its own power supply.
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3633 [23:41:07] <roflbot> the first I tried was normal usb-powered one
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3638 [23:42:53] <deadmarshal> hi. how can I install open gl 4.1 on debian 10?
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3645 [23:46:20] <asarch> I was doing a dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb on a USB stick however I had to interrupted (Ctrl+Z) and now I get "[ 5695.131040] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on" every time I inserted the stick. How could I re-enable rw?
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3649 [23:47:54] <BCMM> roflbot: ah, you're talking about a problem *disc*, not a problem drive?
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3651 [23:48:13] <trek00> asarch: may be the simpler way is to reboot
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3653 [23:48:29] <trek00> deadmarshal: what gpu?
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3656 [23:50:17] <roflbot> no, a usb cd-rom, two actually, both do not work on my computer, with any disk. While on the rasberry - no problem
3657 [23:50:52] <roflbot> I tried to modprobe sg sr_mod, but did not change anything, probably had the modules loaded already
3658 [23:51:06] <deadmarshal> trek00: my gpu is ati hd turks 6670
3659 [23:51:08] <trek00> asarch: may be i found another way, hdparm -r0 /dev/sdb
3660 [23:51:15] <deadmarshal> asus
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3667 [23:52:53] <trek00> deadmarshal: you need to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
3668 [23:53:16] <trek00> deadmarshal: and firmware-amd-graphics
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3671 [23:53:41] <trek00> deadmarshal: replaced-url
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3673 [23:54:16] <B|ack0p> laptop hinge got broken :/
3674 [23:54:17] <deadmarshal> trek00: I already have both of them
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3676 [23:54:44] <B|ack0p> old thinkpad couldnt resist more
3677 [23:55:32] <trek00> roflbot: do you have usb3? you can check with lspci -k | grep xhci
3678 [23:55:56] <trek00> deadmarshal: libgl1-mesa-dri is installed?
3679 [23:56:19] <roflbot> xhci_hcd in use
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3681 [23:56:56] <trek00> roflbot: is the usb cable attached to usb ports? (the blue ones)
3682 [23:57:11] <trek00> roflbot: usb3 ports (blue)
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3685 [23:57:38] <trek00> B|ack0p: :/
3686 [23:57:44] <deadmarshal> trek00: yes it's installed
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3688 [23:58:06] <roflbot> trek00: Im not 100% sure if I tried both usb3 and usb2 ports actually
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3691 [23:59:39] <trek00> deadmarshal: what this command says? glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
3692 [23:59:47] <karlpinc> trek00: Possibly he needs the non-free firmware? (I'm always harping on this, but it always catches me.) Sorry for not reading the backhistory.
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