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34 [00:21:56] <Lupulo> hi
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40 [00:25:14] <rant> Lupulo: not yet, but we're working on it
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44 [00:28:10] <Lupulo> @rant, ok sure it will finish well :-)
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46 [00:28:57] <Lupulo> finizh is the idea
47 [00:29:16] <Lupulo> < sleep
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174 [02:00:55] <Abdullah> select-editor isn't working. I had been using vim binary which I compiled from source and set it as editor. Now when I run select-editor, it returns nothing.
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189 [02:06:14] <LtL> Abdullah: probably because select-editor does not know about self-compiled binaries, only package manager installed editors. thats my guess
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195 [02:14:07] <OerHeks> If your editor isn't on the list, update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/editor editor /usr/bin/{your editor} ## then run: update-alternatives --config editor
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197 [02:14:14] <OerHeks> replaced-url
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264 [03:14:20] <ZaZaGX> ahoy
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269 [03:18:22] <srukle> ahoy
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272 [03:19:57] <randomthing> Hi there I'm having difficulty with setting up VLANS using systemd/networkd
273 [03:20:14] <randomthing> most of the vlan netdev files seem to work, but one of them just comes up as rename5 ?
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275 [03:21:38] <randomthing> I was wondering if someone could help
276 [03:21:42] <rant> ZaZaGX: avast ye scallywag, shiver me timbers!
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280 [03:22:40] <rant> randomthing: you may be better served in the systemd channel or referencing the docks on freedesktop.org as networkd is disabled by default on debian and not very widely used
281 [03:23:01] <rant> meh.. damn pirate lingo had me saying "docks" instead of "docs" :P
282 [03:23:11] <randomthing> replaced-url
283 [03:23:25] <randomthing> rant that requires me registering an account with freenode. :(
284 [03:24:01] <rant> thats probably a wise idea regardless, but I see your point
285 [03:24:31] <rant> I was just pointing out that you're not real likely to get support on a feature disabled in debian in this channel at this hour on a sunday
286 [03:25:21] <rant> I'd help if I had any f'n clue.. but I don't know anything about networkd other than it recently had a critical security flaw that was rather irrelevant to us because we disable it
287 [03:27:17] <ZaZaGX> rant, are you a pirate?
288 [03:27:37] <rant> ZaZaGX: no, but you're the one who started with the pirate lingo
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290 [03:30:59] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
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292 [03:31:26] <ZaZaGX> i installed the driver, but i can't get the GUI to pop up with the wifi adapter when i pop it in
293 [03:31:59] <phogg> what GUI?
294 [03:32:19] <rant> ZaZaGX: yes, what GUI?
295 [03:32:31] <ZaZaGX> the network where you click to connect to the internet
296 [03:32:40] <rant> ZaZaGX: and the driver is part of the kernel, what you probably installed was firmware
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298 [03:32:50] <ZaZaGX> ohh
299 [03:33:40] <rant> ZaZaGX: do you have other means of network connectivity on this machine?
300 [03:33:59] <ZaZaGX> yes i do
301 [03:34:23] <ZaZaGX> i have a wifi card built inside my laptop, it works
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303 [03:34:49] <rant> ZaZaGX: then unplug the adapter, plug it back in and run the command
304 [03:35:07] <rant> (lsusb;dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc termbin.com 9999
305 [03:35:22] <rant> or even
306 [03:35:28] <rant> (lsmod;lsusb;dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc termbin.com 9999
307 [03:36:09] <rant> you'd need to run that as root or add sudo in front of dmesg
308 [03:36:15] <ZaZaGX> ok
309 [03:36:16] <rant> (lsmod;lsusb;sudo dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc termbin.com 9999
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313 [03:37:53] <ZaZaGX> # (lsmod;lsusb;sudo dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc termbin.com 9999
314 [03:37:54] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
315 [03:38:02] <rant> its rare I see a driver with that many aliases and only one firmware :P
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317 [03:39:02] <ZaZaGX> so, it'll work? i just need to use the command line?
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320 [03:39:23] <ZaZaGX> it just works in Kali Linux OS
321 [03:39:34] <rant> ZaZaGX: well that ID is aliased in the rt2800usb driver, however the driver didnt load according to lsmod.. so try loading it manually
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323 [03:39:45] <rant> ZaZaGX: sudo modprobe rt2800usb
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325 [03:39:54] <ZaZaGX> # (lsmod;lsusb;sudo dmesg|tail -n 20)|nc termbin.com 9999
326 [03:39:58] <ZaZaGX> ops
327 [03:40:17] <ZaZaGX> okay i did that
328 [03:40:27] <rant> did it return any messages?
329 [03:40:30] <ZaZaGX> nope
330 [03:40:46] <ZaZaGX> i copied and pasted the command as su
331 [03:41:06] <ZaZaGX> whoa, it worked
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333 [03:41:14] <rant> yeah well thats a small problem
334 [03:41:28] <rant> for some reason the kernel isnt auto loading the driver when you plug it in
335 [03:41:36] <rant> and it should
336 [03:41:42] <ZaZaGX> the GUI shows the wifi adapter now
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339 [03:41:56] <rant> yeah, but you still have the problem of it not autoloading the driver when you connect it
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341 [03:42:34] <ZaZaGX> hmm
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343 [03:42:50] <ZaZaGX> i plugged it sereval times. it works
344 [03:42:58] <ZaZaGX> will it work when i restart it?
345 [03:42:59] <rant> idk why it'd be doing that (or NOT doing that) but only ways I can think to address it with my knowledge, is either simply via adding the driver to /etc/modules so it loads automatically at boot, or via some udev rule and a script
346 [03:43:06] <rant> ZaZaGX: probably not, why I dont know
347 [03:43:34] <rant> ZaZaGX: the way it works is, the kernel is suppose to lookup any device plugged in and load the driver automatically, it didnt for some reason
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351 [03:44:10] <rant> ZaZaGX: there would be no real harm to just adding rt2800usb to /etc/modules which would assure it will work
352 [03:44:33] <rant> it'd just cause the driver to load at boot and be loaded all the time.. the cost would be marginal memory footprint
353 [03:45:19] <rant> thats assuming /etc/modules still does what I think it does.. heh.. a lot of my knowledge predates Linux 4.x and systemd
354 [03:45:41] <rant> which have changed things quite a bit :D
355 [03:46:12] <rant> I am assuming since /etc/modules still exists on my buster system that it still works
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357 [03:46:25] <rant> I haven't had cause to use it in ages
358 [03:46:53] <ZaZaGX> do i use vi?
359 [03:47:02] <rant> I wouldn't but you could, sure..
360 [03:47:10] <ZaZaGX> how would you do it than?
361 [03:47:32] <rant> I'd just use echo for this.. but I'm a vi* hater.. so I'd use nano if it were warrented.. or something else
362 [03:47:45] <rant> echo "rt2800usb" >> /etc/modules
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364 [03:47:56] <rant> to add something simple like that to a file, echo is way simpler
365 [03:48:27] <ZaZaGX> oh i
366 [03:48:28] <ZaZaGX> c
367 [03:48:32] <ZaZaGX> i should restart it
368 [03:48:36] <ZaZaGX> ttyl
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370 [03:48:41] <rant> ZaZaGX: alright
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374 [03:49:56] <ZaZaGX> bummer, it doesn't work
375 [03:50:02] <rant> o.O
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378 [03:50:12] <rant> ZaZaGX: lsmod | grep 2800
379 [03:50:23] <ZaZaGX> even when i unplugged it and plug it in
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381 [03:50:37] <rant> or lsmod|grep rt2800usb
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383 [03:51:24] <rant> ZaZaGX: does it show the driver loaded?
384 [03:51:27] <ZaZaGX> do i run it as su -
385 [03:51:27] <ZaZaGX> ?
386 [03:51:34] <rant> lsmod should work as normal user
387 [03:51:53] <rant> and it should either show the driver or nothing
388 [03:51:58] <ZaZaGX> it shows nothin
389 [03:51:59] <ZaZaGX> g
390 [03:52:05] <rant> hmm..
391 [03:52:09] <rant> cat /etc/modules
392 [03:52:15] <rant> is the module listed when you do that?
393 [03:52:42] <ZaZaGX> $ cat /etc/modules
394 [03:52:42] <ZaZaGX> # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
395 [03:52:42] <ZaZaGX> #
396 [03:52:43] <ZaZaGX> # This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded
397 [03:52:43] <ZaZaGX> # at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with "#" are ignored.
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399 [03:52:48] <rant> heh
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401 [03:52:52] <ZaZaGX> ops
402 [03:52:57] <rant> :P
403 [03:53:05] <rant> does it show it on the last line?
404 [03:53:17] <ZaZaGX> rt2800usb
405 [03:53:35] <rant> well I guess we just determined that /etc/modules /doesn't/ do what I thought it did anymore
406 [03:53:45] <ZaZaGX> oh
407 [03:53:57] <rant> which both that AND the fact its not autoloading have me rather puzzled
408 [03:54:08] <rant> still there are a million trivial ways to resolve this issue
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410 [03:54:20] <ZaZaGX> sudo modprobe rt2800usb
411 [03:54:24] <ZaZaGX> makes it work
412 [03:54:32] <rant> could modprobe rt2800usb from a oneshot, could use udev..etc
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414 [03:54:50] <rant> but the part miffing me is, this shouldnt be necessary
415 [03:55:00] <emilengler> I can't see the bluebird-gtk-theme in my new Buster cinnamon install.
416 [03:55:06] <emilengler> Any suggestions on how to fix it?
417 [03:55:16] <emilengler> I have the bluebird-gtk-theme package installed
418 [03:55:24] <emilengler> I don't see the window frames*
419 [03:55:34] <ZaZaGX> hmm
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422 [03:56:13] <rant> doesn't seem like anyone else is gonna chime in here.. so its just me with rube-goldberg solutions I guess :P
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425 [03:56:46] <rant> I know the udev rule or the systemd oneshot unit would get the job done..
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428 [03:57:45] <rant> the systemd oneshot would only involve creation of a single file, and would just load the driver at boot.. the udev rule would require at least two files afaik.. the rule and the script.. I mean technically you could put the command in the rule but its a bit tacky :P
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430 [03:57:56] <rant> doing it via udev would have it happen only when the device was plugged in
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432 [03:58:09] <ZaZaGX> hmm
433 [03:58:32] <ZaZaGX> it'll let me try to connect to a essid. but the adapter doesn't light up and it won't connect completely
434 [03:58:35] <rant> there has to be a file that you list modules in.. idk wth /etc/modules inst being respected anymore
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437 [03:58:53] <ZaZaGX> it works on Kali thou
438 [03:58:57] <rant> ZaZaGX: did you ever paste a dmesg output after you modprobed the driver?
439 [03:59:09] <ZaZaGX> not sure
440 [03:59:13] <rant> sudo dmesg|tail -n 20|nc termbin.com 9999
441 [03:59:40] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
442 [04:00:21] <rant> ZaZaGX: hmm, how about.. sudo dmesg|grep firmware|nc termbin.com 9999
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444 [04:01:12] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
445 [04:01:18] <rant> ZaZaGX: I have an old Netgear usb dongle that does exactly that when using those predictable network names
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448 [04:01:45] <rant> ZaZaGX: yeah, shows its loading the firmware fine..
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450 [04:02:08] <rant> ZaZaGX: I'd try turning off predictable interface names and see if it works that way
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452 [04:02:12] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
453 [04:02:27] <ZaZaGX> but it doesn't work correctly
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458 [04:02:48] <rant> ZaZaGX: cause the netgear dongle I have, it attempts to connect then disassociates just like your paste is showing when its using those predictable names
459 [04:03:03] <rant> and it works fine when I turn them off
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462 [04:03:33] <rant> its a rtl8196 or something.. different driver.. but who knows.. could be the same issue
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464 [04:04:59] <ZaZaGX> oh hmm
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466 [04:05:02] <ZaZaGX> thats sucks
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468 [04:05:22] <rant> ZaZaGX: sudo sed -ie 's/GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""/GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0"/' /etc/default/grub; sudo update-grub
469 [04:05:55] <rant> ZaZaGX: then when you reboot your network interfaces would just be eth0, wlan0 rather than wlx9cefd5fdf30b and crap
470 [04:06:46] <rant> ZaZaGX: if that fixes it, then I think I need to find someone to bitch at cause that'll be two drivers now I know that have this issue
471 [04:07:16] <ZaZaGX> okay brb
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473 [04:08:21] * rant thinks the only thing predictable about predictable ifnames is that they're a PITA :P
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478 [04:09:51] <ZaZaGX> doh, it doesn't autoload. and it doesn't connect. no light on the wifi adapter too
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480 [04:10:20] <rant> ZaZaGX: check ip a
481 [04:10:33] <rant> ZaZaGX: are the names now showing as wlan0 instead of the long wlx9ce....
482 [04:11:09] <ZaZaGX> i see the long name
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485 [04:11:29] <rant> hmm.. so its showing wlx9cefd5fdf30b still?
486 [04:11:39] <ZaZaGX> yup
487 [04:11:48] * rant checks what he told you to type :P
488 [04:12:05] <rant> pretty sure net.ifnames=0 is what turns that off
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491 [04:12:56] <rant> google hits for RHEL suggests a 2nd parameter as well, but that one alone worked for me before
492 [04:13:19] <rant> the RHEL links say also add biosdevname=0
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495 [04:13:54] <ZaZaGX> oh, not sure not to do that
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497 [04:14:08] <rant> ZaZaGX: we can try adding that one too, but you would need to verify for argument sake at the bootloader that these arguments are actually applied
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499 [04:14:21] <rant> ZaZaGX: you have any experience at all with editing the commandline at the bootloader?
500 [04:14:41] <ZaZaGX> just nosetmode
501 [04:15:06] <rant> but you are familiar with how to edit at the boot menu?
502 [04:15:12] <ZaZaGX> no
503 [04:15:26] <cluelessperson> Here's what I got with network confs
504 [04:15:27] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
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507 [04:16:09] <rant> ZaZaGX: alright, well when you are at the bootloader, you have the default boot option selected, you press the E key rather than the enter key and it will bring up an editor window with many lines in it
508 [04:16:30] <rant> ZaZaGX: the line you'd be wanting to look at would be the one that starts with linux.. thats the kernel commandline
509 [04:16:45] <ZaZaGX> oh, i did that before okay
510 [04:16:46] <rant> ZaZaGX: it uses word-wrap so the line will wrap around to the next line
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513 [04:17:17] <rant> what you want to check, is to see if at the end of that line where it says "quiet" if it added these parameters we put into /etc/default/grub
514 [04:17:30] <rant> or if for some reason the changes just didnt take effect
515 [04:18:12] <rant> ZaZaGX: you can go ahead and as root open up /etc/default/grub in an editor of your choice if you like, rather than doing the fancy sed crap I did last time..
516 [04:18:19] <rant> so you can see whats in there and make sure it looks right
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518 [04:19:10] <rant> cluelessperson: I guess you're the one who asked earlier about vlans with networkd?
519 [04:19:14] <ZaZaGX> i'm writing this down
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521 [04:19:34] <cluelessperson> rant yup
522 [04:19:58] <rant> cluelessperson: that looks ok to my untrained eye.. but if you're in no hurry, I'd ask this again in US business hours tomorrow, we have folk here that are more savvy with this they're just not active right now
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527 [04:20:35] <ZaZaGX> rant, am i just looking at the code? i'm not adding any commands?
528 [04:20:42] <rant> I think I've seen jhutchins talking about these kinds of things, and I'm sure other people use that in their daily work lives.. but networkd isnt a norm.. its disabled by default and most of us dont know about it
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530 [04:21:19] <cluelessperson> rant oh sure, it just makes zero sense. the other longer confs work, so why wouldn't the same ones with a different name not work? it makes no sense.
531 [04:21:25] <rant> ZaZaGX: well the line we changed last time was the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0" it should read right now
532 [04:21:30] <cluelessperson> probably best to not use networkd if it's annoying and stupid
533 [04:21:40] <rant> ZaZaGX: I'd had you do that with a sed inline search and replace
534 [04:22:07] <rant> cluelessperson: to a lot of us in the debian world all that is systemd is such.. heh.. but we're learning ... slowly..
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537 [04:22:48] <ZaZaGX> okay brb
538 [04:22:52] <rant> cluelessperson: you can also try send a ping to debian-user on the subject, ask the systemd maintainers, or as I said before try #systemd
539 [04:23:00] <rant> ZaZaGX: wait
540 [04:23:03] <ZaZaGX> ?
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542 [04:23:22] <rant> ZaZaGX: you can try adding that biosdevname=0 in there as well
543 [04:23:24] <cluelessperson> rant yeah, I'm hanging out in there, I'm sure someone will respond eventually. :P thanks though
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545 [04:23:40] <rant> ZaZaGX: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"
546 [04:23:48] <rant> ZaZaGX: then update-grub after saving that file
547 [04:24:03] <rant> ZaZaGX: and then when you reboot verify that those two commands are on the linux line before booting from the menu
548 [04:24:31] <rant> there are other ways to disable it, but thats the way I've done it before
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550 [04:25:05] <rant> cluelessperson: no worries, as I said, if you ask again in like 10-12 hrs when its daytime in the US, I think there are people here who know about this stuff
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552 [04:25:36] <ZaZaGX> okay, see ya
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567 [04:39:53] <ZaZaGX> not sure if i did it right
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571 [04:40:38] <rant> did you press e and see if the commands were there?
572 [04:41:11] <rant> cause for all I know, it may not even be adding the options to the command line for some reason.. you can also check the commandline from dmesg, should show it
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574 [04:41:29] <ZaZaGX> yes i did
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577 [04:42:09] <rant> ZaZaGX: sudo dmesg | grep "Command line:" would also show the command line
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580 [04:42:38] <rant> ZaZaGX: are the options there, are the ifnames still showing the long predictable names in ip a, or the legacy ones?
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585 [04:43:26] <ZaZaGX> [ 0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 root=UUID=e35f3812-5bba-4e21-aaa5-065e54deec8c ro quiet "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" update-grub
586 [04:44:11] <dvs> gawd!
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589 [04:45:11] <rant> heh
590 [04:45:28] * rant facepalms
591 [04:45:47] <rant> ZaZaGX: I may have given you a little too much credit for knowing what you were doing
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594 [04:46:45] <rant> ZaZaGX: that part of the commandline that reads "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" update-grub should only read net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
595 [04:47:05] <rant> ZaZaGX: you got the /etc/default/grub wrong and you didnt apparently run the update-grub command, you typed it into the file
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597 [04:47:45] <rant> ZaZaGX: the line in /etc/default/grub should read GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0" idk what you got in there.. but its a mess
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599 [04:52:39] <ZaZaGX> oh ok
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601 [04:53:05] <ZaZaGX> wait, how do i update-grub?
602 [04:53:14] <rant> ZaZaGX: and you have to run the command update-grub after saving the file to actually change the bootloader
603 [04:53:17] <rant> as root
604 [04:53:45] <rant> I had assumed since you mentioned vi, that you knew a good bit. cause vi isnt very newbie friendly :P
605 [04:53:58] <rant> if I knew you'd have had issues, I'd have gone with another inline sed swap
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608 [04:55:56] <ZaZaGX> oh okay
609 [04:55:58] <ZaZaGX> brb
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618 [05:01:36] <ZaZaGX> doh
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624 [05:03:18] <rant> heh, what now?
625 [05:03:39] <dvs> it blew up
626 [05:04:20] <ZaZaGX> # sudo dmesg | grep "Command line:"
627 [05:04:20] <ZaZaGX> [ 0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 root=UUID=e35f3812-5bba-4e21-aaa5-065e54deec8c ro quiet
628 [05:04:47] <dvs> so now it's not there
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631 [05:08:15] <rant> afaik thats the easier of the methods to disable predictable names.. the other involves systemd
632 [05:08:49] <rant> ZaZaGX: cat /etc/default/grub|nc termbin.com 9999
633 [05:09:22] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
634 [05:09:34] <rant> and I'm not even sure this will fix the issue, I'm just thinking it looks a whole lot like the issue I have with that Realtek based Netgear dongle I have, which is resolved by disabling those ifnames
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637 [05:10:21] <rant> ZaZaGX: yes, that line just reads GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" the 10th line..
638 [05:10:32] <rant> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0"
639 [05:10:35] <rant> is what it should say
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641 [05:10:56] <ZaZaGX> ah ok
642 [05:11:11] <rant> and really I only added the biosdevname cause the net.ifnames alone didnt seem to do it
643 [05:11:19] <rant> but for all I know you miffed that up somehow :P
644 [05:11:34] <rant> don't forget to update-grub after you save the file
645 [05:11:34] <ZaZaGX> is there another way instead of doing this?
646 [05:11:45] <rant> there are several other ways
647 [05:11:59] <rant> you can MANUALLY type those commands on the grub commandline at boot for one thing
648 [05:12:12] <rant> there is also another way involving systemd but its no easier than this
649 [05:12:34] <ZaZaGX> okay let me try it again
650 [05:12:36] <rant> and I'm not really sure how its done.. I talked about it I think on OFTC recently.. might still be in my buffer
651 [05:12:50] <rant> someone was doing it the systemd way and I mentioned the grub method
652 [05:12:59] <ZaZaGX> brb
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671 [05:32:43] <ZaZaGX> i don't get it
672 [05:32:51] <ZaZaGX> i keep getting it blank
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684 [05:41:29] <ZaZaGX> okay i did nano
685 [05:41:44] <CaptainDusty> Were you not `:wq` ? lol
686 [05:42:12] <ZaZaGX> i did a sudo nano /etc/default/grub
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688 [05:42:38] <ZaZaGX> updated grub, reboot. still doesn't work
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691 [05:44:13] <rant> ZaZaGX: are you editing it as root, saving the file and running update-grub as root?
692 [05:44:28] <ZaZaGX> yes
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694 [05:45:47] <ZaZaGX> whoa
695 [05:45:50] <ZaZaGX> i did a sudo modprobe rt2800usb
696 [05:45:53] <ZaZaGX> it worked
697 [05:46:07] <ZaZaGX> lights turns on, connects to wifi starbucks
698 [05:46:33] <ZaZaGX> sorry it works
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700 [05:50:13] <rant> ZaZaGX: and the ifname is wlan0 now?
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703 [05:52:03] <rant> ZaZaGX: in ip a, it shows wlan0?
704 [05:52:06] <ZaZaGX> ah sorry, i'm not sure how to do it
705 [05:52:17] <ZaZaGX> iwconfig, ifconfig doens't work for debian
706 [05:52:32] <rant> ZaZaGX: it does if you install them
707 [05:52:37] <rant> ZaZaGX: ip a
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710 [05:53:16] <rant> ,file bin/ifconfig
711 [05:53:16] <ZaZaGX> i see wlan0 and wlan1
712 [05:53:21] <judd> Search for bin/ifconfig in buster/amd64: net-tools: sbin/ifconfig
713 [05:53:30] <rant> ZaZaGX: ok so it was the predictable names messing it up then
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715 [05:53:45] <rant> ,file bin/iwconfig
716 [05:53:49] <judd> Search for bin/iwconfig in buster/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig
717 [05:54:05] <rant> ZaZaGX: apt install net-tools wireless-tools
718 [05:54:08] <rant> if you want those commands
719 [05:54:11] <Wulf> ifconfig is obsolete, and has been for MANY years now.
720 [05:54:32] <rant> yes, its deprecated.. but I'm still more familiar with it than ip
721 [05:54:37] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
722 [05:54:49] <ZaZaGX> well, i don't like it. it connects really slow via command line to wifi
723 [05:55:14] <ZaZaGX> it usually shows help files with those commands on ubuntu help websites
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725 [05:55:45] <rant> I can't recall if I ever filed a bug about my wireless or not.. but now I know of two adapters with two different drivers that dont work with predictable ifnames
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727 [05:56:04] <ZaZaGX> hmm, i wonder if it works via reboot
728 [05:56:07] <rant> so idk wtf the problem is exactly
729 [05:56:24] <ZaZaGX> brb
730 [05:56:34] <rant> ZaZaGX: well the predictable ifnames should be persistent if you have it in the grub config, but the loading of the driver you still need to resolve
731 [05:56:43] <ZaZaGX> yeah
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733 [05:57:17] <rant> ZaZaGX: I still dont know why its not loading, especially with it in /etc/modules
734 [05:57:56] <rant> I'm not sure what is even causing this bug with the predictable ifnames, to know what to file a bug against
735 [05:58:03] <rant> I dont know if its the kernel, systemd or what
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739 [06:00:20] <ZaZaGX> yeah, looks like it won't autoload like Kali
740 [06:00:26] <ZaZaGX> via driver
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742 [06:00:41] <rant> ZaZaGX: so the driver is auto loading now too?
743 [06:01:36] <ZaZaGX> no
744 [06:01:54] <rant> oh, I read that wrong
745 [06:02:03] <ZaZaGX> i would have to do sudo modprobe rt2800usb
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751 [06:05:25] <ZaZaGX> oh wells
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753 [06:05:55] <ZaZaGX> maybe you should file a bug report
754 [06:05:57] <rant> ZaZaGX: sudo echo -e "[Unit]\nDescription=Load Wifi\n[Service]\nType=oneshot\nExecStart=modprobe rt2800usb\n[Install]\nWantedBy=multi-user.target" > /etc/systemd/system/rt2800usb.service;systemctl enable rt2800usb.service
755 [06:06:20] <rant> ZaZaGX: yeah, but against what is the question... I know this now affects two different adapters with two totally different drivers..
756 [06:06:28] <rant> idk if its the kernel, systemd, or what is the problem
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760 [06:07:10] <rant> ZaZaGX: that oneliner will create a systemd unit to modprobe the driver at boot
761 [06:07:27] <rant> since idk wtf is going on with /etc/modules gonna have to check on that too..
762 [06:07:51] <rant> the file still exists in buster, and says in the comments that modules listed there should be loaded at boot
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765 [06:09:17] <ZaZaGX> Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/rt2800usb.service → /etc/systemd/system/rt2800usb.service.
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769 [06:12:16] <rant> yeah I'm still rather unfamiliar with systemd but that should be enough to get it to load the driver I think
770 [06:12:19] <rant> heh
771 [06:12:51] <rant> I used to just append stuff like this to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh if I needed to "oneshot" something :P
772 [06:13:07] <rant> but then again for this specifically, I used to just list modules in /etc/modules.. so wtf.. idk :D
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774 [06:13:41] <ZaZaGX> doh
775 [06:14:02] <rant> I am still tempted to file a bug against systemd over the bootmisc.sh
776 [06:14:21] <rant> one important thing it used to do was save dmesg to /var/log/dmesg at boot
777 [06:14:55] <rant> now there is no damn dmesg log at boot, and journalctl near as I can tell has no simple way to just see the boot messages
778 [06:16:11] <rant> and not only is that helpful for support purposes, but its also nice to just have a damn script that runs at the end of bootup process where you can drop stuff without all this damn creating a systemd unit crap
779 [06:16:22] <ZaZaGX> i still have to do sudo modprobe rt2800usb
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781 [06:17:14] <rant> hmm.. that was rather barebones systemd unit.. maybe I left something out..
782 [06:17:34] <ZaZaGX> i think its the kernel lol
783 [06:17:47] <ZaZaGX> i'm just guessing
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785 [06:18:28] <rant> well afaik the kernel should be autoloading the driver.. but the reading of /etc/modules iirc was handled by sysv init, and blah blah blah
786 [06:18:41] <ZaZaGX> hmm
787 [06:18:52] <rant> iirc there was an init script that read /etc/modules
788 [06:19:05] <rant> stuff like this just royally pisses me off
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790 [06:19:46] <rant> the go and replace a simple sysv init with this systemd that has everything including replacing the kitchen sink.. and yet doesn't do stuff our system used to do under sysv
791 [06:19:49] <ZaZaGX> are you a dev?
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793 [06:20:00] <rant> nope
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795 [06:21:32] <rant> I'm a user, been using Debian exclusively since 2.2r6 Potato, and I'm CompTIA A+ and Linux+ certified, thats about it
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798 [06:22:28] <ZaZaGX> ohcool
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802 [06:23:24] <rant> I've been coding since I was knee high to a grasshopper, but I'm not really good at it.. and in fact much of the TI99/4a, Apple II, Dos (basica,gwbasic,qbasic), TI 82/83 basic, and such programming I did as a youngin ingraned in me lots of bad habits :P
803 [06:23:52] <ZaZaGX> cool
804 [06:24:06] <rant> I can semi-competently write python, bash, javascript, html is what I do mostly to solve small problems
805 [06:24:22] <ZaZaGX> Linux + certified sounds fun
806 [06:24:57] <rant> I can reluctantly write other languages.. as needed.. usually dont like going beyond perl and C but, occasionally some lisp, lua, or such is called for
807 [06:25:52] <ZaZaGX> i had a bad experience doing Karl++ its supposedly like Java
808 [06:25:57] <rant> ZaZaGX: not really.. its based on Suse Enterprise Linux.. I took it then a couple months later they were about to roll out a new one and were contacting "professionals" who scored well on the old test to help them iron out the new one, and I participated in that and got the new cert for free
809 [06:26:06] <rant> I only got them cause the govt paid for it
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811 [06:26:30] <rant> rather useless credentials imho :D
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813 [06:26:48] <ZaZaGX> lol
814 [06:26:55] <rant> I had attempted to learn java once then ran away screaming
815 [06:31:25] <cluelessperson> rant oh, so looking at logs, it looks like perhaps there's a conflict
816 [06:31:34] <cluelessperson> I'm wondering if I need to disable the original netowrk manager
817 [06:31:59] <rant> cluelessperson: yeah normally if network manager detects something is managaing something it ignores it.. but who knows..
818 [06:32:15] <cluelessperson> rant replaced-url
819 [06:32:24] <cluelessperson> here, it appears it merely fails to rename the other things
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822 [06:34:08] <cluelessperson> wait
823 [06:34:15] <cluelessperson> why is it trying to rename all the interfaces I just ade
824 [06:34:20] <cluelessperson> "Failed to rename network interface 6 from 'uplink.101' to 'uplink.100': Device or resource busy"
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827 [06:37:56] <lolsquad> tes
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833 [06:48:24] <rant> I don't have the slightest clue about that stuff.. I just know in the last couple days someone was talking about systemd .link files.. and I looked into it breifly.
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835 [06:51:37] <kreyren> Can i use `Package: A B C D` in `/etc/apt/preferences` ?
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838 [06:53:24] <alkisg> kreyren: man apt_preferences, search for Package:, read the 4 lines above the first occurence
839 [06:53:36] <kreyren> alkisg not an option atm
840 [06:53:45] <alkisg> No net?
841 [06:54:16] <kreyren> no speed on harddisk assuming upgrading system and system without man page + i wasn't able to find it on net
842 [06:54:26] <kreyren> nwm i'm blind
843 [06:55:00] <alkisg> manpages.debian.org/apt_preferences
844 [06:56:56] <kreyren> Seems that i can use that, thanks
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881 [07:40:06] <ZaZaGX> interesting
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886 [07:43:50] <ZaZaGX_> omg it works now
887 [07:44:04] <ZaZaGX_> plug and play auto works
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913 [08:15:09] <kreyren> i'm getting `apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libsystemd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory` on openrc system while executing `apt` any ideas why
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915 [08:16:16] <kreyren> seems that i need libsystemd0 package
916 [08:16:25] <Abdullah> kreyren: what you were doing ?
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918 [08:16:47] <kreyren> Abdullah experimenting
919 [08:16:59] <Abdullah> :)
920 [08:17:11] <kreyren> Assuming replaced-url
921 [08:17:25] <annadane> bullseye or buster?
922 [08:17:30] <kreyren> bullseye
923 [08:17:46] <Abdullah> lemme check
924 [08:17:49] <kreyren> ty <3
925 [08:18:20] <annadane> amd64: replaced-url
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930 [08:19:05] <aypea[2]> so... running out of memory but neither ps nor top show a viable culprit. kernel memory leak likely?
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932 [08:20:19] <kreyren> annadane thats .deb and i dont think that i can extract it on systemrescuecd
933 [08:20:52] <kreyren> i try mby dpkg is still usefull
934 [08:21:03] <annadane> oh sorry
935 [08:21:08] <annadane> i thought a .deb would be ok
936 [08:21:30] <kreyren> dpkg seems to work tho (didn't realize that dpkg is an option to fix this) checking
937 [08:21:30] <dpkg> kreyren: what are you talking about?
938 [08:21:39] <annadane> this...? replaced-url
939 [08:21:44] <kreyren> dpkg sorry didn't meant to mension ya
940 [08:21:44] <dpkg> kreyren: have you tried replaced-url
941 [08:22:01] <kreyren> annadane thats systemd and afaik systemd != libsystemd0
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943 [08:22:25] <annadane> i guess what you want is for someone to create a tar with just libsystemd0
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945 [08:22:49] <kreyren> annadane dpkg seems to work to install said requirement for apt, thanks!
946 [08:22:53] <annadane> ah ok
947 [08:22:57] <annadane> sorry for being scatterbrained
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967 [08:31:42] <cluelessperson> yo
968 [08:31:47] <cluelessperson> I figured out my issue
969 [08:31:57] <cluelessperson> So, networking.service and systemd-networkd were conflicting.
970 [08:32:06] <cluelessperson> systemd-networkd is working to make the vlan interface
971 [08:32:16] <cluelessperson> but networking.service was immediately renaming it
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983 [08:41:14] <kreyren> replaced-url
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985 [08:41:44] <kreyren> pinning: replaced-url
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990 [08:43:06] <kreyren> ping Abdullah
991 [08:43:33] <humpled> what is apti?
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993 [08:44:00] <kreyren> humpled: replaced-url
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997 [08:44:20] <cluelessperson> I said that
998 [08:44:24] <cluelessperson> but... it's still happening
999 [08:45:05] <kreyren> seems that it's trying to overwrite openrc with systemd for that package.. maybe make pinning for systemd to never be pulled?
1000 [08:45:13] <Abdullah> I use ap but its a function for that ;-)
1001 [08:45:14] <kreyren> rather seems as upstream issue
1002 [08:45:28] <kreyren> Abdullah eh? o.o
1003 [08:46:23] <kreyren> ah ap alias i see.. meh i like to use phonetic naming for aliases
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1005 [08:46:30] <kreyren> it's easier to remember :p
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1008 [08:47:46] <humpled> isn't it easier to remember the real command?
1009 [08:48:23] <kreyren> humpled nah + it's slow to write
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1011 [08:48:41] <humpled> well
1012 [08:49:05] <humpled> i guess i can already type faster than i can think
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1017 [08:50:00] <Abdullah> maybe you can think slow and type fast ;-)
1018 [08:50:48] <humpled> i can also read faster than i can think about this preferences file
1019 [08:51:26] <kreyren> i can also break faster then i type
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1023 [08:53:29] <humpled> seems that before you typed apti xfce4-terminal, apt was already waiting to remove linux-base
1024 [08:53:59] <XLS202> Hey, I have a Problem with tar. I use the command "tar -cWf" to Backup my files... And I get often the Error "Unterschiedliche Inhalte" (that means different Content) do you have any idea how i could troubleshoot this?
1025 [08:54:00] <kreyren> aptar (apt autoremove) doesnt seem to want to remove it
1026 [08:54:25] <kreyren> Seems that libxfce4ui-2-0 is at issue
1027 [08:54:30] <Abdullah> replaced-url
1028 [08:54:40] <kreyren> replaced-url
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1034 [08:57:19] <no_gravity> Why does the man page for iptables not mention "dport" even though that is one of its parameters?
1035 [08:57:30] <Abdullah> replaced-url
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1037 [08:58:11] <humpled> sigh
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1039 [08:59:33] <Abdullah> isn't xfce4 dead?
1040 [09:00:01] <humpled> no
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1042 [09:00:47] <kreyren> replaced-url
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1044 [09:01:30] <Abdullah> used it as student when I had 1G ram only and I used to do reboot -f or manual reboot
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1046 [09:02:04] <humpled> i still have 1G ram and xfce :)
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1055 [09:05:43] <kreyren> How do i mask packages on debian? -10 pin priority doesnt seem to work expecting to never pull one package from debian's release
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1059 [09:09:13] <kreyren> nwm it has to be at the bottom since it's reading from top to bottom it seems
1060 [09:09:23] <kreyren> ~~kinda weird~~
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1068 [09:11:48] <danst> hey
1069 [09:12:10] <danst> how do you disable "Give root password for maintenance or press ^D to continue" FOREVER
1070 [09:12:28] <danst> is putting zeroes to the end of /etc/fstab lines enough?
1071 [09:12:34] <danst> I want to be 1000% sure
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1073 [09:13:04] <kreyren> afaik this is output of systemd when something is wrong -> check your /etc/fstab to make sure it has correct records
1074 [09:13:11] <kreyren> *output of system in init phase
1075 [09:13:14] <kreyren> *systemd
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1077 [09:14:43] <kreyren> ping danst sent your /etc/fstab for sanity check
1078 [09:15:06] <alkisg> Isn't that the prompt of "recovery mode" in grub?
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1080 [09:15:25] <alkisg> I.e. "single" in /proc/cmdline
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1083 [09:16:28] <kreyren> alkisg that would be `grub rescue >`
1084 [09:16:37] <alkisg> kreyren: no, that's failed grub
1085 [09:16:48] <kreyren> grub recovery mode == grub rescue
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1087 [09:17:06] <alkisg> If you select "recovery mode" in grub, debian boots linux, and gives you the prompt that danst mentions
1088 [09:17:12] <alkisg> From there, you can troubleshoot the system
1089 [09:17:28] <kreyren> interesting
1090 [09:17:30] <alkisg> grub rescue is when grub can't find the grub code, to load the menu etc
1091 [09:17:48] <alkisg> I.e. before linux is loaded at all
1092 [09:18:13] <kreyren> noted
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1097 [09:20:33] <kreyren> how do i output informations for all releases available for apt? e.i package in buster compared to package in 3rd party repo
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1109 [09:26:10] <fireba11> kreyren: apt-cache show
1110 [09:26:20] <danst> putting last zero in each line worked
1111 [09:26:33] <danst> but what if fs gets corrupted?
1112 [09:26:38] <danst> it's an sd card lol
1113 [09:26:46] <danst> will it just boot and don't care now?
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1116 [09:27:26] <kreyren> danst 07:13:02 ~ 07:18:11 replies on this channel are relevant did you read them?
1117 [09:27:42] <kreyren> UTC time afaik
1118 [09:28:20] <kreyren> fireba11: not sufficient i need to output informations about all available versions from all available repositories ideally
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1120 [09:28:32] <kreyren> expecting to see which package is pulled based on /etc/apt/preferences
1121 [09:28:51] <kreyren> assuming experimenting with pinning with multiple repos
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1123 [09:29:06] <humpled> app
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1126 [09:29:23] <humpled> that's my alias which i just made up for the command you might need
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1129 [09:29:37] <humpled> tried apt policy?
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1131 [09:30:03] <kreyren> humpled... and yep
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1133 [09:30:26] <kreyren> humpled about that alias thats why i'm trying to standartize the aliases in bash-it :p
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1154 [09:40:49] <kreyren> !debian-next
1155 [09:40:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1197 [10:01:29] <tdn> What is the most painless procedure for upgrading a debian 7 to debian 10?
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1209 [10:04:53] <kreyren> tdn: `sudo sed -i 's/wheezy/buster/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update -y && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y && apt-get autoremove -y` executed from root (that's what i'm usually using)
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1212 [10:05:16] <ZaZaGX> i did a fresh install. i can't apt-get update correctly. how do i get rid of this?
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1214 [10:05:28] <kreyren> afaik apt should be able to resolve these confclits by itself, but i would recommend upgrading from 7 to 8 then from 8 to 9 and from 9 to 10
1215 [10:05:33] <ZaZaGX> Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 10.0.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20190706-10:24'
1216 [10:05:36] <ZaZaGX> in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter]
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1218 [10:06:04] <kreyren> ZaZaGX Make your own /etc/apt/sources.list this happens when correct /etc/apt/sources.list is not pulled during installation
1219 [10:06:44] <ZaZaGX> could i use the GUI?
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1221 [10:07:23] <tdn> kreyren, so in one go?
1222 [10:07:26] <kreyren> ZaZaGX you can use replaced-url
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1226 [10:08:10] <kreyren> tdn, that's what i would do, but i'm insane, checking if there is a way to sanitize it atm
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1232 [10:10:33] <rudi_s> tdn: kreyren: No.
1233 [10:10:33] <kreyren> tdn, well i would yolo it and in case it breaks i would prepare systemrescuecd, recommends waiting for second opinion from others
1234 [10:10:44] <rudi_s> tdn: You are not permitted to skip releases, this will break badly.
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1236 [10:10:57] <rudi_s> Go from wheezy to jessie to stretch to buster
1237 [10:11:10] <rudi_s> (Or do a fresh installation if you can.)
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1240 [10:11:27] <kreyren> rudi_s: afaik apt should be able to resovle it by itself, but ppl are instructed to upgrade from release to release
1241 [10:11:39] <rudi_s> kreyren: No.
1242 [10:11:46] <kreyren> rudi_s elaborate
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1245 [10:12:17] <rudi_s> Apt might be able to resolve dependencies, but that's not the problem. The packages might have update scripts/procedures in place and these are only supported from one release to the next.
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1248 [10:13:24] <kreyren> rudi_s: these should be sanitized for multiple releases afaik
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1250 [10:13:40] * kreyren never had issues skipping release on debian excluding sid
1251 [10:14:27] <rudi_s> kreyren: No, they are not. If you want you can read the release notes where that's explicitly stated.
1252 [10:14:39] <kreyren> noted
1253 [10:14:54] <rudi_s> Of course most of the time it will work, but if you still have a wheezy system you most likely care about your data. So I'd be careful.
1254 [10:14:57] <rudi_s> tdn: ^
1255 [10:15:40] <kreyren> i guess umounting /home and upgrade from root might be sane then.. if it breaks you can always get configuration from /etc and /usr and replace /home O.o
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1262 [10:17:04] <rudi_s> kreyren: No. Important data is stored in /var (for example databases) which can be destroyed by that procedure.
1263 [10:17:05] <ws2k3> can i install libvhdi-utils on jessie?(i know jessie is old already working on it)
1264 [10:17:23] <kreyren> rudi_s true
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1294 [10:33:43] <tdn> rudi_s, thanks
1295 [10:34:00] <tdn> rudi_s, yes, I care about my data. I have hundreds of users who use this everyday.
1296 [10:34:45] <kreyren> tdn report back with result i'm interested
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1301 [10:38:13] <rudi_s> tdn: np, make sure to create some backups first. LVM-Snapshots might also be a good idea to be able to restore quickly.
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1305 [10:38:56] <rudi_s> And depending on the software you're running. It might be worth to "stop" on each release and test that everything works properly. Makes tracking down potential issues easier because less parts have changed.
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1309 [10:42:42] <humpled> oh my word
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1316 [10:45:13] <ZaZaGX> hi
1317 [10:45:27] <kreyren> ZaZaGX did it work?
1318 [10:45:36] <ZaZaGX> yeah
1319 [10:45:39] <kreyren> gut gut
1320 [10:46:53] <humpled> are you sure?
1321 [10:47:10] <kreyren> 99% sure
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1323 [10:47:30] <humpled> !sources
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1325 [10:47:31] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1326 [10:49:04] <kreyren> humpled which is same as generated file on provided url
1327 [10:49:10] <kreyren> assuming that end-user asked for GUi
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1329 [10:49:42] <humpled> we haven't seen their list or the code that generated it
1330 [10:50:17] <kreyren> true
1331 [10:52:11] <kreyren> ZaZaGX if you have issue with it sent us output of `([! -x $(command -v curl) && apt install curl -y]) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)`
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1333 [10:52:31] <kreyren> `([! -x $(command -v curl ]) && apt install curl -y]) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)`
1334 [10:52:34] <kreyren> sorry syntax err
1335 [10:52:56] <kreyren> ** `([! -x $(command -v curl) ] && apt install curl -y]) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)`
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1337 [10:53:55] <azeem> I find '| pastebinit' instead of that obscure curl ix.io a bit more friendly
1338 [10:54:44] <kreyren> meh ix.io generates shorter url
1339 [10:55:14] <kreyren> and you usually have it as defined function in .bashrc to use `command | ix`
1340 [10:55:23] <azeem> who is "you"?
1341 [10:55:56] <ZaZaGX> omg thats a lot of stuff
1342 [10:56:18] <kreyren> ZaZaGX nah i just made syntax error twice use the third command that i've sent
1343 [10:56:29] <kreyren> unless you know how to sent content of /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin
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1345 [10:56:45] <humpled> ZaZaGX , kreyren will explain every word of right now before you run it as root
1346 [10:56:50] <humpled> of it*
1347 [10:57:38] <kreyren> `([! -x $(command -v curl) ] && apt install curl -y]) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)` == Makes a check if `curl` program is executable if not it's going to install it and then takes the concent of /etc/apt/sources.list and sents it on ix.io for you to just copy paste URL which is going to generate
1348 [10:57:53] <kreyren> wait
1349 [10:58:07] <kreyren> This `([! -x $(command -v curl) ] && apt install curl -y) ; (cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io)`
1350 [10:58:14] * kreyren using rescue OS and it's pain to write on
1351 [10:58:33] <azeem> so maybe use 'apt install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list' next time
1352 [10:58:43] <kreyren> ^ or that
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1361 [11:06:21] <ZaZaGX> oh crazy
1362 [11:06:59] <tdn> I am trying to upgrade from wheezy->jessie, and after changing sources til jessie and doing apt-get update, I get this message: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: AA8E81B4331F7F50" is this a problem or should I ignore?
1363 [11:08:02] <ZaZaGX> is my /etc/apt/sources.list supposed to be empty?
1364 [11:08:19] <kreyren> nope
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1368 [11:09:02] <kreyren> tdn: you need debian-keyring from jessie try installing it manually by grabbing it from the debian packages and then `apt install ./path`
1369 [11:09:31] <kreyren> ZaZaGX your sources.list should have repositorie pointing to buster
1370 [11:09:39] <kreyren> !sources
1371 [11:09:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1372 [11:09:46] <kreyren> or you can generate the concent here replaced-url
1373 [11:10:07] <kreyren> concent == expecting to be present in /etc/apt/sources.list
1374 [11:10:14] <tdn> kreyren, thanks. I found this procedure that solved it: replaced-url
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1376 [11:10:46] <ZaZaGX> we're talking about Software & Updates > Other Software right?
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1387 [11:14:01] <kreyren> ZaZaGX: nope these are different depending on your GUI to resolve this issue
1388 [11:14:17] <kreyren> afaik gnome is setting /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for this
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1391 [11:15:32] <kreyren> ZaZaGX: to clarify this replaced-url
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1394 [11:18:56] <ZaZaGX> oh okay thanks
1395 [11:20:23] <at0m> !sources.list
1396 [11:20:24] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1397 [11:20:24] <jelly> tdn, you shouldn't need to add keys manually to get packages from official repos; keeping debian-archive-keyring updated ought to be enough
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1400 [11:21:06] <tdn> jelly, yeah, not sure what it didnt work
1401 [11:21:48] <jelly> tdn, you might have forgotten to patch-up wheezy before going on with the wheezy->jessie release upgrade steps.
1402 [11:22:02] <kreyren> jelly what is the alternative? afaik adding it though apt-key is pita
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1404 [11:22:15] <tdn> jelly, I did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade before I started upgrade procedure
1405 [11:22:48] <kreyren> i would also use `apt autoremove` assuming that it's using uneeded packages
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1407 [11:22:57] <kreyren> less things to upgrade -> less things that might break
1408 [11:23:10] <kreyren> but check what it's trying to remove
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1541 [12:42:13] <netcrash_> Hello, is it possible to make a iso pxe bootable?
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1543 [12:42:40] <kreyren> get iso extract it and try to configure grub on it i guess
1544 [12:42:47] <kreyren> shoudn't be an issue assuming linux os
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1546 [12:42:58] <AinNero> kreyren: the initramfs will search for the iso medium tho
1547 [12:43:06] <AinNero> i'd say its not feasible
1548 [12:43:25] <kreyren> initramfs can be made from scratch using dracut for example
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1550 [12:43:33] <AinNero> debian ships the netboot binaries anyway who are fine with being shipped without iso
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1553 [12:44:20] <netcrash_> it's not a debian iso , mikrotik
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1555 [12:44:57] <AinNero> i guess most installers will fail if the iso is not present on any visible block device
1556 [12:45:11] <kreyren> in that can you can just optimize /etc/fstab
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1558 [12:45:36] <AinNero> its still gonna fetch stuff from the iso, the rootfs itself or stuff to build it in ram
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1578 [13:01:58] * kreyren thinks that we need a specialized channel to provide support with frankendebian
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1589 [13:08:11] <EmleyMoor> We need a dire warning against making one!
1590 [13:10:35] <kreyren> nah frankendebian is cool :3
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1592 [13:12:24] <gie> is it possible to let the package unattended upgrades only run from monday till friday ? it seems there is no easy config for this in the configfile for the package.
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1595 [13:13:09] <kreyren> gie i was using cronjob + muQSS kernel for that.. provide more info about your usecase
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1599 [13:16:06] <greogr2> rsync overwrites the files even if they are newer. Is this normal and how can i only copy files if they are newer?
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1604 [13:17:38] <jelly> greogr2, man rsync, search for "newer"
1605 [13:18:09] <jelly> (-u, --update might be what you want, I have NOT tried it)
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1608 [13:19:09] <greogr2> ok
1609 [13:19:12] <greogr2> thank you
1610 [13:19:34] <greogr2> seems like i just asked because i was lazy.
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1627 [13:28:19] <gie> kreyren: the goal is to only install security updates automatically from monday till friday when staff is around in case something happens to a customer system after a failed upgrade/reboot.
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1629 [13:29:43] <humpled> heheh
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1631 [13:30:18] <gie> had the situation that a lot of systems rebooted on a weekend during vacation time, everything worked out fine, but just in case i want to only run them during weekdays
1632 [13:30:53] <humpled> so run them when you're there?
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1635 [13:31:57] <gie> only run when the chance that someone is around is better :)
1636 [13:32:17] <kreyren> gie depending on your configuration and third party sources .. debian with it's stable/testing repos should be problemless to upgrade using cronjob (some issue migh appear on runtime) for external repos i would update them automatically depending on the repository
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1639 [13:33:00] <kreyren> ~~or use exherbo/gentoo which handles upgrades of system better~~
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1644 [13:37:04] <jelly> gie, or use unattended-upgrades only for nonimportant systems and schedule patches with other tools
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1703 [14:27:05] <gie> thanks!
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1763 [15:04:46] <netcrash> Hello, I have a old dell 1955 blade server, trying to load the media via web interface fails with a java Exception com.avocent.vm.VirtualMedia.a(Unknown Source)
1764 [15:05:18] <netcrash> I know this is not the best channel for this but hopping someone might have gone through this issue
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1773 [15:09:18] <laughingtiger> fedora has the same network symptom to me, it uses kernel 5.0, so it looks like this is a myth to me. since on windows, network seems fine.could it be the newer kernel that's faulty?kernel that newer than stretch used?
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1776 [15:10:28] <laughingtiger> and as I was "investigating" this problem, some article I read written by a chinese cracked me up, he/she said, ubuntu is a piece of shit. I totally agree with him/her.
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1778 [15:12:40] <laughingtiger> omg, I just noticed there's a very tiny yellow triangle mark on the network manager icon, this is a warning sign isn't it? though I can connect to the network I know when it's normal there's no yellow mark.
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1780 [15:13:23] <alkisg> laughingtiger: I think you need to summarize your issue for those that didn't see it start...
1781 [15:13:42] <humpled> was just wondering :þ
1782 [15:14:11] <rotaticus> as soon as you start the right thing it works, strange x
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1784 [15:14:55] <laughingtiger> alkisg, well, it's not a big one, it's just that the network never reaches full speed on debian, or other linux distro like fedora, only reached half of full speed at its best.
1785 [15:15:13] <laughingtiger> and there's a yellow mark on the network-manager icon.
1786 [15:15:27] <alkisg> laughingtiger: are we supposed to guess that you're talking about wifi?
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1788 [15:15:56] <laughingtiger> alkisg, sorry about the confusion, no, it's a wired connection. and without a router.
1789 [15:15:57] <humpled> i guess it's a random rant
1790 [15:16:19] <alkisg> laughingtiger: and you tested using what, another computer with iperf?
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1792 [15:16:51] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I don't follow you, what's iperf do?
1793 [15:17:00] <alkisg> It benchmarks the network speed
1794 [15:17:04] <alkisg> How did you benchmark it?
1795 [15:17:43] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I see, I just downloaded some same file on windows and debian.
1796 [15:17:59] <laughingtiger> multiple times
1797 [15:18:41] <kreyren> How do i set default release on debian? i have apt.conf set, but it still uses bullseye
1798 [15:19:02] <alkisg> laughingtiger: from where, from the net? LAN speed is 1000 mbps, net speed is what, 10? You can't test driver speed like that.
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1806 [15:21:21] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I dont quite follow you, what do you mean the net? you mean internet or sth esle? I'm sure both lan and internet speed is the same. and why is there a yellow warning mark on network-manager? I think this is a clear sign of sth wrong.
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1812 [15:22:34] <cluelessperson> I'm confused.
1813 [15:23:00] <cluelessperson> I'm trying to setup these interfaces with systemd-networkd however they seem to get renamed afterwards by something else, the kernel? after boot?
1814 [15:23:04] <cluelessperson> rename7@uplink.100
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1816 [15:23:25] <cluelessperson> [ 4.939737] rename7: renamed from uplink.101
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1818 [15:23:43] <cluelessperson> "renamed from uplink.101" means it *was* named correctly, to start
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1820 [15:23:49] <cluelessperson> but I can't figure out what's renaming it
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1825 [15:26:00] <laughingtiger> I also tried manjaro, and it worked, network reached full speed just like on windows, but, pacman is shitty, sorry about the word and the attitude but it's true. not half as good as apt. and it's very unstable, caused me all kinds of headache.
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1828 [15:26:56] <alkisg> laughingtiger: what is your full speed? 100MB/sec?
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1830 [15:27:19] <jelly> that's a weird speed
1831 [15:27:30] <laughingtiger> alkisg, that's irrelavant don't you think so?
1832 [15:27:47] <alkisg> Of course not, because you said LAN=NET
1833 [15:27:47] <laughingtiger> irrelevant
1834 [15:27:50] <alkisg> which are completely different
1835 [15:28:07] <laughingtiger> alkisg, so what do you mean "net"?
1836 [15:28:11] <alkisg> internet
1837 [15:28:16] <alkisg> From where are you downloading things?
1838 [15:28:19] <alkisg> And how?
1839 [15:28:24] <alkisg> And what is the speed?
1840 [15:28:28] <alkisg> Is it a problem to answer those?
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1842 [15:29:10] <laughingtiger> alkisg, from my pc, well, you're confusing me, the speed when it's full should reach more than 30MB
1843 [15:29:15] <laughingtiger> 30MB/s
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1845 [15:29:36] <alkisg> 30 MB/sec is no adapter's speed
1846 [15:29:40] <laughingtiger> but it only reaches less than 15MB/s maximum now
1847 [15:29:41] <alkisg> If it's gigabit, it's 100MB/sec
1848 [15:29:52] <alkisg> So you're measuring what, your ISP speed?
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1854 [15:30:19] <kreyren> 100MB = 0.1 GB
1855 [15:30:26] <laughingtiger> alkisg, yeah, because on windows, the download speed is more than 30, but less than 50
1856 [15:30:36] <kreyren> and 0.8 Gb
1857 [15:31:15] <alkisg> laughingtiger: i've no idea WHAT you're measuring, if you want, tell us
1858 [15:31:28] <alkisg> Say "I go to firefox and download this file from this url" or something
1859 [15:31:36] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I mean yeah I'm measuring my ISP speed.
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1863 [15:31:49] <kreyren> is there a way for me to set a dependencies for package
1864 [15:32:05] <BCMM> laughingtiger: how are you measuring it? how do you know your measurement is accurate?
1865 [15:32:09] <kreyren> like package-0.1 has dep-0.5 assuming multiple dependencies available
1866 [15:32:12] <jelly> kreyren, wrong channel for bullseye questions
1867 [15:32:41] <laughingtiger> BCMM, well, I think I've told you, by downloading the same file on windows and debian, or other linux distro.
1868 [15:32:43] <kreyren> jelly meh
1869 [15:33:02] <laughingtiger> on windows it worked at full speed. which is what I wanted.
1870 [15:33:14] <alkisg> laughingtiger: as you can imagine, ISP speed is the same between PCs or OSes, so WHAT are you measuring? Firefox download speed?
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1876 [15:34:25] <BCMM> if you think you might have a problem with your computer's own network card, as opposed to your ISP, you should probably do some tests within your local network, to take your potentially variable internet connection out of the equation. do you have any other computers on the LAN?
1877 [15:34:31] <jelly> laughingtiger, it would be better to test bandwidth between two systems on local network before continuing with an internet download, where MANY things can affect it
1878 [15:34:39] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger You want to make sure you're using the same server, at the same time, in the same way
1879 [15:35:00] <laughingtiger> alkisg, yes, I downloaded them from firefox, but I really don't know the thing you're trying to tell me.
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1882 [15:35:18] <cluelessperson> For example, I live in apartments, and the next second, a neighbor could start a download, and hit my download speed a bit, because we share an upstream connection
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1884 [15:35:26] <BCMM> laughingtiger: what do you mean by a "wired connection without a router"? what actual technology does your ISP use?
1885 [15:35:26] <laughingtiger> BCMM, unfortunately I have only one pc.
1886 [15:35:44] <BCMM> are you connected to a dedicated modem over cat5?
1887 [15:35:52] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger That's okay. What you can do is perform repeated speed tests, using the same server(s) and average the results.
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1889 [15:36:13] <BCMM> laughingtiger: or is this some kind of apartment shared internet thing where you have an actual ethernet jack on the wall?
1890 [15:36:14] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger You're looking for a general similar speed with a tolerance or "jitter"
1891 [15:36:15] <laughingtiger> ok I get what you're saying guys, it seems I should do more testing.
1892 [15:36:32] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger So, there are several things that effect "internet speed"
1893 [15:36:43] <laughingtiger> BCMM, yes it is, pc directly to modem via cat5
1894 [15:36:50] <jelly> laughingtiger, there are _many_ moving parts involved fetching files from internet to your local machine. Go install speedtest-cli and run it a couple times
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1899 [15:37:49] <BCMM> laughingtiger: iirc, there are some network cards that can do gigabit ethernet with appropriate firmware, but fall back to 100Mb/s without their firmware files
1900 [15:37:52] <cluelessperson> laughingtiger There's, DNS resolution. (figuring out what the ip address is for google.com), Routing (figuring out the path to the ip for google.com), Latency (the time it takes to send a signal to the server), Bandwidth (the amount of data you can send per second)
1901 [15:37:58] <BCMM> laughingtiger: what numbers were you getting again?
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1906 [15:38:27] <cluelessperson> ALL network cards support various modes. The standard negotiated links are, 1M, 10M, 100M, 1000M
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1909 [15:38:45] <alkisg> laughingtiger: for example, you might be pasting "replaced-url
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1913 [15:39:09] <laughingtiger> alkisg, I see.
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1915 [15:39:24] <BCMM> laughingtiger: you expect about 30MB/s but get "less than 15" on Debian, right?
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1917 [15:39:56] <cluelessperson> also, you don't want to take the "highest" on one, and the "average" on the other
1918 [15:40:50] <BCMM> if you're being limited to 100BASE-T by a failure to negotiate speeds correctly, you'd expect to see 12.5 MB/s, less a little bit for protocol overheads
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1920 [15:40:53] <laughingtiger> I'm so touched by your enthusiasm, really, I feel dizzy now because of appereaciation. thank you. I really should do a lan speed test first now.
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1922 [15:41:06] <laughingtiger> appreciation
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1926 [15:42:07] <laughingtiger> thank you guys.
1927 [15:42:37] <cluelessperson> I'm still running into this problem. For some reason the debian kernel seems to be renaming my netdev interfaces to renameN
1928 [15:42:41] <cluelessperson> I can't figure out why
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1932 [15:43:26] <BCMM> laughingtiger: can you pastebin the output of `ethtool eth0` please? (change the network interface if applicable)
1933 [15:43:45] <alkisg> cluelessperson: what's the output of `cat /proc/cmdline`, and where do you see the rename, in dmesg? Can you paste that too?
1934 [15:44:10] <BCMM> if it's just doing 100BASE-T you can often fix it by either installing firmware to enable autonegotiation, or manually configuring the correct mode
1935 [15:44:26] <cluelessperson> alkisg`BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64`
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1937 [15:44:43] <alkisg> cluelessperson: that's all, no root or anything else?
1938 [15:44:44] <cluelessperson> alkisg `[ 4.939737] rename7: renamed from uplink.101` nothing else about the rename
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1940 [15:45:04] <cluelessperson> alkisg I redacted the last part, as UUID is identifiable
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1942 [15:45:15] <cluelessperson> alkisg `BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-5-amd64 root=UUID=REDACTED ro quiet`
1943 [15:45:31] <greycat> *plonk*
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1948 [15:46:33] <laughingtiger> BCMM, well, I don't think there's any settings problem, but as you requested,replaced-url
1949 [15:46:45] <cluelessperson> greycat yo, long time no see
1950 [15:46:49] <laughingtiger> maybe there's sth I missed.
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1952 [15:48:58] <p90x> Hey, does anybody have any experiences with Debian locking while copying files?
1953 [15:49:27] <cluelessperson> p90x locking how?
1954 [15:49:37] <greycat> From where to where? I've seen PCs get *really* slow when writing to USB.
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1956 [15:50:06] <p90x> It goes to the lockscreen when I'm doing certain things and in the mate menu, it's got settings that prevent it from locking.
1957 [15:50:30] <greycat> You mean the screen saver/locker is invoked? Not "the system locks up"?
1958 [15:50:41] <p90x> But it still locks up and when it does, it stops the process I am doing and I have to start over.
1959 [15:50:46] <p90x> Yes.
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1961 [15:50:56] <p90x> It goes to the password screen.
1962 [15:51:16] <cluelessperson> p90x I think you mean that there's a bug that causes it to lock when it's not supposed to, and it also stops your copy thing
1963 [15:51:27] <cluelessperson> lock/sleep
1964 [15:51:36] <laughingtiger> I should go to sleep now. thank U again.
1965 [15:51:41] <greycat> The first thing that comes to my mind is your system clock is jumping forward. Although I can't think of why heavy I/O would cause that.
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1967 [15:51:51] <cluelessperson> also, it might be a misconfiguration. it might be sleeping(probably), instead locking (probably would continue in background)
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1970 [15:52:12] <cluelessperson> So, check your sleep vs lock settings.
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1972 [15:52:59] <p90x> I have no lock settings.
1973 [15:53:16] <p90x> This happened to me before when I was on this OS>
1974 [15:53:43] <greycat> Copying from where to where? What kind of hardware is involved?
1975 [15:53:49] <p90x> Is there a way I can prevent it form sleeping or locking altogether?
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1978 [15:54:14] <p90x> I'm copying from hdd to hdd.
1979 [15:54:28] <greycat> PATA? SATA? SSD?
1980 [15:54:37] <p90x> SATA
1981 [15:54:47] <cluelessperson> I feel like I'm running into a race condition of some sort
1982 [15:54:57] <cluelessperson> but I've disable networkmanager, for systemd-networkd
1983 [15:55:00] <cluelessperson> no idea what's renaming this
1984 [15:55:02] <p90x> I would ideally like to prevent it from locking.
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1988 [15:55:43] <greycat> Which screensaver is being run, and by whom, and why?
1989 [15:55:58] <greycat> Are there any other symptoms? Any errors in dmesg, for example? Is the system clock stable?
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1992 [15:56:58] <p90x> It's just the default screensaver. Yes, everything is normal when this happens bluetooth gets turned on normally and the automatic sleep is enabled afterwards. I uninstalled bluetooth and the power management and it still does it.
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1994 [15:57:27] <greycat> There is no such thing as "the default" anything in Debian.
1995 [15:57:46] <p90x> The default for this OS. Tiles. Nothing special.
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1999 [15:58:49] <p90x> Can I just delete the lock screen?
2000 [15:59:01] <greycat> Which desktop environment or window manager are you running? Which screen saver program is being run? If you don't know, say that, but then we have to find out a way that you can find out. Perhaps you can switch to a VC with Ctrl-Alt-F2 while it's running, login there, and use "top" or "ps" to find out what is running.
2001 [15:59:06] <karlpinc> p90x: If it were me I'd try to isolate the problem by running the disk oprations in a console, and not login to the GUI at all. If it still happens, it's something in the OS/hardware. Otherwise look to the GUI for problems.
2002 [15:59:09] <karlpinc> !vt
2003 [15:59:10] <dpkg> rumour has it, vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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2011 [16:02:43] <p90x> I was never very good at working in the terminal alone. I'm using mate. Sorry, I don't have a lot of experience in Linux atm but this was supposed to be my main workstation. It was downloading before and when I woke up this morning, it was locked. It was not set to lock at all.
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2014 [16:03:34] <p90x> Everything was closed and when it does this, it closes everything so it's frustrating when you're doing important works and it does this.
2015 [16:03:40] <greycat> So the screen saver could just be run because the system was left idle for 8 hours, not because of any copying?
2016 [16:04:04] <p90x> Yes, the screen saver runs but it's not set to lock when it does.
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2018 [16:04:32] <greycat> And when you enter your password in the screen saver, you say that things have "closed"? As in programs have exited?
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2020 [16:04:56] <cluelessperson> okay, I'm stuck unable to configure my servers because I'm held up by this vlan problem.
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2022 [16:05:11] <karlpinc> p90x: Then maybe switch to, say, xfce4, for a GUI. And use it's screensaver etc. At least that will tell you something.
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2025 [16:05:29] <greycat> I'm not convinced that switching desktops is the answer here.
2026 [16:05:38] <p90x> Yeah, the programs all quit.
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2028 [16:05:53] <greycat> At this point I'm wondering if the system is actually *rebooting* and what he thinks is the screen saver is really the display manager.
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2030 [16:06:21] <karlpinc> greycat: Your probably right that it is not a particularly promising approach. Just something to try.
2031 [16:06:30] <BCMM> greycat: or just crashing x
2032 [16:06:31] <p90x> No, because it happened in like 5 minutes after trying to copy something. The screen went black and it locked.
2033 [16:06:43] <greycat> BCMM: hmm, good point.
2034 [16:07:03] <karlpinc> logs logs logs
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2036 [16:07:21] <p90x> Right, where would I find any logs of this
2037 [16:07:23] <p90x> ?
2038 [16:07:52] <greycat> You definitely need to produce some more information. ANY logs would be good. I already mentioned dmesg. There's also uptime, journalctl, the contents of /var/log/, ~/.xsession-errors, etc.
2039 [16:08:18] <greycat> Just running uptime after you "unlock" the system would tell us whether it rebooted.
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2041 [16:08:43] <karlpinc> p90x: /var/log/Xorg* would be the X log. The timestamps in there (as well as multiple files/log history) would tell you if it is X restarting.
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2047 [16:09:48] <p90x> Here's something: (mate-panel:12928): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 09:47:37.707: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
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2050 [16:11:10] <p90x> Looks like it did restart [ Thread-0 ] Context initialized
2051 [16:11:10] <p90x> [ Thread-0 ] instance started.
2052 [16:11:10] <p90x> [ Thread-1 ] Component not installed
2053 [16:11:10] <p90x> [ Thread-1 ] Checking fallback components
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2055 [16:11:30] <greycat> What does "uptime" say?
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2058 [16:12:33] <p90x> Up 1 day.
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2060 [16:12:43] <p90x> load average: 2.49, 1.95, 1.46
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2066 [16:13:40] <p90x> Sorry I couldn't just google this. I'm sure you guys are busy!!
2067 [16:13:42] <greycat> Not sure why you're hiding the information we actually care about, but if "1 day and some secret number of hours" is about what you think is correct, then maybe BCMM's theory is right, and it's "just" X crashing, not the whole system.
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2073 [16:14:39] <p90x> Here, jeeze 10:12:13 up 1 day, 20:06, 1 user, load average: 2.49, 1.95, 1.46
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2075 [16:15:07] <greycat> When you say the system "locks" (screen saver + locker), how cretain are you that it's really a screen saver, and not your ordinary login screen? Do you have to enter your username + password, or just the password?
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2077 [16:15:34] <p90x> Just the password when it does happen.
2078 [16:15:48] <p90x> It is the ordinary lock screen.
2079 [16:16:12] <cluelessperson> p90x is it logging out completely?
2080 [16:16:13] <p90x> Like if you clicked to lock the computer, you would log into this screen.
2081 [16:16:40] <greycat> Well, you're going to need someone who knows Mate to help you figure out how to configure that part of it. At this point I'm mostly confused by the claim that other programs *terminate* when this "lock screen" happens. That is NOT normal.
2082 [16:17:15] <p90x> Well, I'm glad I know it's something really crazy. I don't feel as bad for asking now.
2083 [16:17:26] <greycat> Coming back from xlock/i3lock/xscreensaver/etc. should not cause other programs to terminate.
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2085 [16:17:32] <BCMM> sounding more and more like a plain old Xorg crash...
2086 [16:17:45] <greycat> He swears he's not logging in again...
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2088 [16:17:58] <rant> I'd uncovered a bug a year or so ago with a Netgear WG111v3 (RTL8168B chipset) that I thought was exclusive to the rtl8168 driver, but last night someone came in here with a different USB wifi dongle using the rt2800usb driver and it had the same issue. The issue is that the cards seem to work but forcibly deauth when using predictable interface names. I am not sure WHAT to file a bug against.. kernel?
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2090 [16:18:04] <rant> systemd?
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2092 [16:19:58] <karlpinc> rant: If you don't know I'd file against whichever you think will get the most attention. :-) It can always be re-assigned.
2093 [16:20:21] <p90x> If it helps, things are moving kind of slow right now. I am doing the same copy operation but it hasn't failed.
2094 [16:20:22] <karlpinc> rant: But then I'm not a dev so can't really speak to the best approach.
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2096 [16:21:40] <rant> karlpinc: fair enough.. I dont know how the heck the predictable ifnames thing works exactly, but I assumed it was handled by systemd.. and I can't for the life of me imagine how it can be causing these devices to forcibly deauth right after connecting to an AP
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2098 [16:22:01] <greycat> udev does part of it, definitely
2099 [16:22:46] <rant> now that I know its not limited to a single device to driver, I consider it to be a more serious issue
2100 [16:22:59] <rant> s/to/or/
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2103 [16:25:23] <rant> also during working on this issue last night, I seemed to be the only one active here and the rt2800usb driver was not loading automatically as I thought it should, the user was having to modprobe it to get the device to work at all.. and we had tried adding it to /etc/modules and it seemed to ignore that, still wasnt loading the driver automatically on boot. Anyone able to comment on this behavior at all?
2104 [16:25:29] <rant> Buster still has /etc/modules yet it didnt seem to work
2105 [16:25:54] <rant> I had resorted to trying a systemd oneshot to load the driver, which felt a bit ridiculous
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2110 [16:26:48] <karlpinc> rant: Did that work?
2111 [16:27:17] <rant> initially the report was no, but I may have done it wrong.. I am not real systemd savvy
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2115 [16:28:10] <rant> sudo echo -e "[Unit]\nDescription=Load Wifi\n[Service]\nType=oneshot\nExecStart=modprobe rt2800usb\n[Install]\nWantedBy=multi-user.target" > /etc/systemd/system/rt2800usb.service;systemctl enable rt2800usb.service
2116 [16:28:26] <rant> is what I had instructed them to do based on my limited systemd knowledge
2117 [16:28:34] <greycat> replaced-url
2118 [16:29:07] <rant> ah
2119 [16:29:19] <rant> so I can't use a redirect with sudo..
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2121 [16:29:34] <greycat> redirection is done by the shell *before* running the command
2122 [16:29:35] <colo-work> has anyone of you noticed changes in behaviour of client hosts running the buster kernel and userland (as compared to stretch) with busy NFS version 3 mounts?
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2124 [16:29:46] <rant> that doesn't seem to make any sense
2125 [16:30:09] <rant> how it can redirect something that hasn't happened yet
2126 [16:30:32] <greycat> To run "/bin/echo hi >> file", the shell first forks a subshell, then in the child process, it closes stderr, reopens stderr in append mode to "file", then exec()s /bin/echo.
2127 [16:30:42] <greycat> err, stdout not stderr
2128 [16:31:31] <rant> at which point the command runs as root, but the file is open as the current user?
2129 [16:31:36] <greycat> That's basically everything shells do. They're the plumber. They connect all the stuff together, then open the valve and sit back and watch.
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2134 [16:33:56] <rant> hmm, well thats interesting I guess.. I wasnt aware of that
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2138 [16:34:52] <rant> but the kernel should be autoloading the rt2800usb driver when such a device aliased by it is plugged in, no?! and adding that module to /etc/modules should make it load at boot time.. ?
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2169 [16:47:12] <alkisg> rant: if you run `modinfo rt2800usb`, you see all the usb aliases; the driver should be automatically loaded when any of those devices are inserted; you can easily test that by just inserting the driver; no need to manually load it from modules
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2178 [16:51:03] <mmp> Hello; I'm looking for `rpmlint` in Debian 10 Buster; although {oldold,old,un}stable seem to have it, stable doesnt -- anyone knows what would be the reason for this?
2179 [16:51:06] <rant> alkisg: yes.. I'm aware of all that.. my lapses in knowledge are with things recent.. I've been doing this awhile.. just spent several years away.. so Linux 4.x and systemd are a bit foreign to me. The issue I handled last night in here was, this was NOT happening.. they were having to modprobe the driver manually to make the device work.. and adding it to /etc/modules did not help either, it still wasnt
2180 [16:51:12] <rant> being loaded
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2182 [16:51:23] <greycat> ,v rpmlint
2183 [16:51:25] <judd> Package: rpmlint on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6-2; sid: 1.9-6; stretch: 1.9-6
2184 [16:51:35] <alkisg> rant: that would mean that the alias didn't match
2185 [16:51:52] <greycat> replaced-url
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2187 [16:52:09] <greycat> including a link to replaced-url
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2189 [16:52:42] <greycat> "Invalid maintainer address" with nobody fixing it, sounds like it's abandoned.
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2191 [16:52:52] <rant> alkisg: you'd think so.. but you'd be wrong in that thought
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2194 [16:53:33] <alkisg> rant: sure, that's just what happened to me when I was packaging some rtl drivers; can you reproduce and give feedback?
2195 [16:53:58] <rant> alkisg: you can check for yourself Bus 001 Device 008: ID 148f:5372 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5372 Wireless Adapter that this matches the aliases in the rt2800usb driver
2196 [16:54:26] <rant> alkisg: I can't reproduce cause I dont have such a device
2197 [16:54:31] <mmp> greycat, thanks a lot for the pointers :)
2198 [16:54:42] <alkisg> OK; I thought it was you that was having the issue, nvm
2199 [16:55:56] <rant> alkisg: no it was ZaZaGX having the issue, about 12hrs ago, and I was the only one here.. I ran into a few things that baffled me and trying to sort them out
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2202 [16:56:22] <alkisg> `udevadm monitor` while plugging in the adapter helps in a few cases
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2207 [16:57:36] <alkisg> ,v firefox-esr
2208 [16:57:37] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.7.2esr-1; jessie-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 60.8.0esr-1; sid:
2209 [16:57:38] <judd> 60.8.0esr-1
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2215 [16:58:56] <rant> this paste was running (lsmod;lspci;dmesg|tail -n 20) after unplugging and plugging in the device replaced-url
2216 [16:59:14] <rant> and I was a bit baffled as to why it didnt load the driver
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2218 [17:00:20] <alkisg> Missing firmware, rt2870.bin?
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2221 [17:01:02] <rant> no, I'd checked that next with a dmesg|grep firmware replaced-url
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2223 [17:01:37] <rant> you'll notice the timestamp is way before that previous paste's dmesg output
2224 [17:01:46] <alkisg> Maybe he had installed a conflicting driver from github etc?
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2226 [17:02:04] <alkisg> Anyway, since he's not here to give feedback, it's not worth it
2227 [17:02:30] <rant> hmm I hadn't considered that possibility
2228 [17:02:34] <rant> a conflicting driver
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2231 [17:03:48] <rant> they had posted the debian wiki page and mentioned installing the driver.. I assumed they meant the firmware metioned on the debian wiki
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2234 [17:05:23] <humpled> seemed quite confusable
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2244 [17:09:44] <alkisg> When a release like jessie is archived, is jessie-updates archived too, or only the packages from main/contrib/non-free are then available?
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2247 [17:10:26] <humpled> updates are included in point upgrades
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2252 [17:11:36] <alkisg> humpled: `apt-cache policy firefox-esr` in jessie currently tells me I can install either firefox 52 or 60; if I move my sources.list to archive.debian.org, will I still be able to install either of them?
2253 [17:12:19] <alkisg> firefox-esr 52 comes from component "jessie", while firefox-esr 60 comes from "jessie-updates" currently
2254 [17:13:02] <greycat> Please do not run a desktop on jessie. It is not supported.
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2257 [17:13:33] <alkisg> greycat: no worries, it's one from my 20 VMs, useful only for specific tasks like running ancient software that doesn't run in newer versions,
2258 [17:13:41] <alkisg> ...so, could anyone answer this? ^
2259 [17:13:57] <greycat> It said "jessie-security: 60.8.0esr-1~deb8u1" in the bot's output
2260 [17:14:05] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
2261 [17:14:05] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
2262 [17:14:47] <alkisg> greycat: termbin.com/qf82
2263 [17:15:00] <alkisg> If I move my sources to archive.debian.org, will I still be able to install either of them?
2264 [17:15:16] <greycat> If you DO WHAT THE BOT SAID... then you wouldn't be asking whatever the hell you are asking.
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2267 [17:15:45] <greycat> Are you asking "will I still get jessie-security packages if I drop the jessie security line"?
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2269 [17:15:58] <greycat> Why would you ASK that?!
2270 [17:16:07] <greycat> Why would you DO that?!
2271 [17:16:18] <alkisg> greycat: afaik, releases get archived to archive.debian.org. So, jessie is already there, and will disappear from security etc soon. Isn't that so?
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2274 [17:17:01] <greycat> Get:1 replaced-url
2275 [17:17:05] <greycat> Get:2 replaced-url
2276 [17:17:07] <greycat> etc.
2277 [17:17:36] <humpled> !jessie-updates
2278 [17:17:36] <dpkg> jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. replaced-url
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2280 [17:17:50] <greycat> If the security packages are relocated, we will UPDATE THE BOT FACTOID at that time.
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2282 [17:18:00] <greycat> jessie-updates is NOT jessie-security
2283 [17:18:10] <humpled> i don't know which one they're talking about now
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2285 [17:18:46] <alkisg> greycat, humpled, I'm trying to understand what happens to releases when they're archived. If it helps better, I can ask about wheezy instead.
2286 [17:18:51] <humpled> <alkisg> When a release like jessie is archived, is jessie-updates archived too, or only the packages from main/contrib/non-free are then available?
2287 [17:18:52] <alkisg> Is this documented somewhere?
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2289 [17:19:06] <greycat> .... *plonk*
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2291 [17:19:46] <greycat> "I don't have an actual support problem, so I'm going to INVENT ONE out of nothing, and then when you 'fix' that and it turns out my troll questions are still not answered, I'll just make up another one!"
2292 [17:19:57] <BCMM> alkisg: sorry if somebody already linked it, but if you're using jessie in 2019, it's important that you read this replaced-url
2293 [17:20:00] <alkisg> greycat: having trust in others is a good default
2294 [17:20:17] <alkisg> greycat: we have around 20 GB of educational software that stopped being able to run after firefox 52, due to java
2295 [17:20:20] <greycat> He's not even using Debian as far as I can tell. He's asking for some sort of psych experiment or academic paper....
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2297 [17:20:27] <greycat> I *hate* you trolls.
2298 [17:20:32] <alkisg> I'm trying to find the best way to make it available to schools, in any release
2299 [17:21:12] <alkisg> greycat: did we meet in any debconf? Why so much hate?
2300 [17:22:00] <humpled> this is all so you can run a java applet?
2301 [17:22:07] <BCMM> alkisg: in particular, that wiki page tells you what your sources.list should look like for lts
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2303 [17:22:16] <alkisg> humpled: 20 GB of java applets, flash software, old wine32 software etc
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2308 [17:22:56] <humpled> but now you have 60 installed
2309 [17:23:07] <alkisg> 60 what?
2310 [17:23:26] <humpled> 60.7, in your termbin
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2312 [17:23:55] <BCMM> alkisg: but also note that *not all jessie packages are included in LTS*. i understand that you have a requirement to use an unsupported browser, but have a look at the wiki so you can at least minimise the unsupported packages you're using
2313 [17:24:02] <alkisg> humpled: this isn't about my little jessie VM; I want to make this software available for some hundred schools
2314 [17:24:23] <alkisg> Imagine it like a "dosbox" thing
2315 [17:24:51] <alkisg> Those that need an old educational software, would be able to run it from there, at least until new html5-based educational software is developed
2316 [17:25:19] <tkzv> Hello, I'm having troubles with the package goldendict in Ubuntu. And their maintainer suggested filing the bug to Debian. It's a feature request: to enable some formats before the compilation qmake needs to be run with certain parameters. How should I send this request?
2317 [17:25:20] <alkisg> BCMM: thank you, yeah, I was asking about documentation on archived sources.list etc, reading...
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2319 [17:25:45] <SerajewelKS> !bts
2320 [17:25:45] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
2321 [17:25:49] <SerajewelKS> tkzv: ^
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2324 [17:26:47] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: You should not. File the request against Ubuntu, let the Ubuntu maintainers push it up stream if they don't want to do the work.
2325 [17:27:17] <BCMM> alkisg: you understand the security implications of this, right? as in, there are packages in the archive with *known, unfixed* vulnerabilities?
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2327 [17:27:49] <alkisg> BCMM: of course; the idea is to make a jessie (or whatever else is suitable VM), and ship it to users, so that they can run it inside whatever OS they might have
2328 [17:28:05] <alkisg> Currently, 1000+ of them have Ubuntu, and I'm slowly migrating some of them to Debian
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2330 [17:28:18] <alkisg> And I believe some will run it inside windows as well
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2332 [17:29:06] <jhutchins_wk> As someone who has had to try to recover databases that use features deprecated in 2004, I have to say that failure to maintain your software to current standards is really short-sighted. Sooner or later you have total failure.
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2335 [17:29:26] <BCMM> oh i see, i only just realised that even jessie's firefox package is too new...
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2338 [17:29:47] <humpled> so the VM will run the old firefox and serve the applets to itself?
2339 [17:29:51] <alkisg> BCMM: apt-cache policy does show firefox 52 currently
2340 [17:30:22] <alkisg> humpled: yes, we've packaged them as .deb applications that launch firefox in full screen mode etc; no internet connectivity involved
2341 [17:30:44] <alkisg> I've given a debconf talk about it in the past, replaced-url
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2352 [17:34:35] <alkisg> (and btw that's why I was asking about archives.debian.org instead of security, as I want that VM to work after 2020-06-30 too)
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2354 [17:34:48] <alkisg> (in case someone does want to enable internet in the VM and install some specific app)
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2356 [17:35:06] <alkisg> (and disable it afterwards, of course)
2357 [17:35:26] <tkzv> SerajewelKS: reportbug refuses to work. It suggests using ubuntu-bug, which doesn't work because of buggy authorization. Is there anything like Bugzilla? Or should I stop wasting time and simply e-mail the maintainer?
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2359 [17:36:02] <tkzv> jhutchins_wk: Ubuntu maintainer is nowhere to be found. Admins think this is the only way.
2360 [17:36:12] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: You should deal with Ubuntu maintainers and bugreports for Ubuntu problems.
2361 [17:36:45] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: If you have an abandoned package there are ways to deal with that. You solicit a new maintainer or discard the package.
2362 [17:36:57] <tkzv> jhutchins_wk: It's Debian problem too. Here's a bug: replaced-url
2363 [17:36:58] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2364 [17:37:06] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: You don't haul off and demand help from a different distro.
2365 [17:37:33] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: If you really want to pursue this in Debian, install Debian and verify that the issue exists there, then report it.
2366 [17:37:59] <tkzv> jhutchins_wk: I fixed my own probem in an ugly way. I want it to be fixed properly for everybody else.
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2368 [17:38:34] <jhutchins_wk> tkzv: Like I said, verify that it's a valid issue in Debian and use the internal reporting tools.
2369 [17:38:40] <BCMM> alkisg: would it perhaps be safer to use one of the firefox forks that still has npapi, rather than a totally abandoned browser?
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2371 [17:39:06] <tkzv> jhutchins_wk: I'll mail the maintainer then :)
2372 [17:39:34] <cluelessperson> alkisg you disconnected before. :P
2373 [17:39:54] <alkisg> BCMM: it might indeed postpone the need for a few years, and that might be enough; I wasn't aware there were suck forks so I don't know if there are other dependencies involved; which one do you have in mind?
2374 [17:40:07] <alkisg> cluelessperson: yeah work pc rebooted, I'm remotely connected, sorry
2375 [17:40:08] <cluelessperson> I'm blocked. I've setup systemd-networkd to create interfaces with netdev files, but they get renamed by *something* in the syslog on boot
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2378 [17:40:33] <asterismo_l> hi
2379 [17:40:49] <asterismo_l> is there any good tutorial on how to resize an encrypted LVM?
2380 [17:40:52] <cluelessperson> the other interfaces aren't renamed for some reason.
2381 [17:41:01] <BCMM> alkisg: i think waterfox and pale moon should both still run java applets
2382 [17:41:08] <alkisg> Ty, googling...
2383 [17:41:16] <asterismo_l> i used to have a 500GB encrypted LVM but i changed to a new 1TB drive
2384 [17:41:28] <asterismo_l> so i want to resize it
2385 [17:41:39] <cluelessperson> asterismo_l replaced-url
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2394 [17:45:41] <JyZyXEL> that article is not very up to date
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2397 [17:46:41] <JyZyXEL> not using lvreduce -r and leaving a arbitrary "safety buffer"
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2401 [17:51:29] <netcrash> Clonezilla is debian based, any idea on how to upgrade the kernel used by clonezilla to boot the menu? I have very recent machines and the kernel does not boot from them.
2402 [17:51:35] <Crapoto> Hello guys. I'm gonna reinstall an old asus eeepc, i would like to install a very light debian based OS. Should I install Debian and LXQt or should i look to something like SparkyLinux ?
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2405 [17:52:27] <BCMM> i'm not really clear on what sparkylinux adds...
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2407 [17:52:46] <sybatwo> is there a specific "apt-get" channel ?
2408 [17:52:47] * rant knows what it subtracts and that rules it out for me
2409 [17:52:57] <BCMM> "fast, lightweight and fully customizable OS which offers a few versions for different users and different tasks" describes debian pretty well...
2410 [17:53:06] <BCMM> rant: what does it subtract?
2411 [17:53:15] <rant> BCMM: debian support and community :P
2412 [17:53:31] <Crapoto> So, i'll install Debian :)
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2416 [17:53:59] <BCMM> actually i'm genuinely confused by this - there features list doesn't seem to make any effort to distinguish it from plain debian
2417 [17:54:04] <BCMM> ^their
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2419 [17:54:44] <BCMM> i don't *think* it's just "debian, except we're in charge of it", but they should at least address that concern a bit...
2420 [17:55:00] <rant> I tend to think that about most derivitives.. their key distinguishing feature is typically, loss of the debian community and support, for no real benefit
2421 [17:55:52] <rant> ubuntu and devaun are the only two I can think of that have really changed something somewhat significant..
2422 [17:56:46] <rant> and I'm not really impressed by either of them.. heh.. just can see reasons why they diverged
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2424 [17:57:01] <greycat> There are a couple where the focus is "we're adding these haxx0r packages, and we'll support those, but for any other question, we want our users to go bother #debian instead of us"
2425 [17:57:21] <greycat> But #debian is not going to support those users.
2426 [17:57:51] <greycat> And most of them are completely unskilled script kiddie wannabes.
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2428 [17:59:31] <Crapoto> Is LXQt ligther than XFCE ?
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2430 [17:59:46] <greycat> Try them both and see.
2431 [17:59:46] <rant> yeah well the community is the biggest advantage of debian in my opinion.. and none of the derivitives have that.. things like MX Linux only have forums, they dont even have half the resources we do.. Ubuntu has all that but its different.. they require registration just to file a bug report for example..
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2433 [17:59:59] <rant> !de usage
2434 [17:59:59] <dpkg> i heard de usage is The HDD/RAM usages of the 7 Stretch DE on amd64 VirtualBoxes with 1GB RAM / 32GB HDD are as follows as reported with only their terminals running df -Th and free -h: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M
2435 [18:00:23] <greycat> rant: well, Ubuntu's target market is raw beginners, so I can't even *imagine* the kinds of questions they get
2436 [18:00:40] <rant> Crapoto: I don't recommend LXDE or LXQT simply due to the use of wicd by default for network management.. its a steaming pile of shit
2437 [18:00:46] <azeem> Ubuntu's target market is also enterprise servers
2438 [18:00:50] <azeem> just saying
2439 [18:00:50] <greycat> *snort*
2440 [18:01:13] <Crapoto> Thank you, i'll stick to XFCE
2441 [18:01:15] <greycat> that's like saying Gentoo targets enterprise servers because some Gentoo users installed it on their servers once
2442 [18:01:29] <rant> yeah, I see both sides of that coin.. ubuntu appears not only more newbie friendly, but also very enterprise cause it has the appearance of being commercially backed with services like ubuntu one and such
2443 [18:01:50] <rant> they make it look more like a commercial OS
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2446 [18:03:00] <rant> Crapoto: personally I recommend MATE or Cinnamon above all of them.. but XFCE would be my 3rd recommendation.. but does that factoid I created help with your question?
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2449 [18:03:52] <rant> I thought that information would be useful to some people, and if so, or additional details would be desired, I can update it for buster
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2452 [18:04:47] <tp43_> Hi, you some packages are docs, like I install libopenjfx-java-doc, but then where are the docs?
2453 [18:05:05] <greycat> tp43_: dpkg -L pkgname will show you all the files it gave you
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2457 [18:05:22] <greycat> also, when in doubt, you can start in /usr/share/doc/pkgname/
2458 [18:05:45] <tp43_> greycat, thx
2459 [18:06:07] <tp43_> greycat /usr/share/doc/pkgname seems to just have copyright and changelog.Debian.gz
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2461 [18:06:35] <BCMM> Crapoto: it probably depends on the applications you use... if you often go and entire session without loading any qt applications, or conversely without loading any gtk applications, it would tip the balance in favour of the corresponding DE
2462 [18:06:42] <BCMM> just because of shared libs
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2464 [18:06:54] <BCMM> ^go for an entire session
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2478 [18:14:45] <g0zzy> I haven't had X errors for a long time but this particular box with buster doesn't seem to handle the display properly with Mate. How can i find out why and get the desktop looking right? At the moment there's no panel at all showing
2479 [18:15:48] <greycat> Look for firmware errors in dmesg, ponder whether you need to install some nvidia driver (or whether your chipset is even supported at all), look for the X log and the .xsession-errors files.
2480 [18:16:07] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
2481 [18:16:08] <dpkg> Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead.
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2483 [18:16:50] <g0zzy> No apparent firmware errors
2484 [18:17:09] <alkisg> alt+ctrl+t gives you a terminal, mate-panel --replace restarts the panel, do you see any errors?
2485 [18:17:48] <rant> g0zzy: sounds as though your display mode is misconfigured on the monitor... perhaps you need to trigger an auto-adjust feature to change the horizontal size
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2487 [18:18:27] <rant> many displays automatically remember geometry based on the display mode.. sounds like your mode is stretched beyond the bounds of the visible screen
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2489 [18:19:03] <g0zzy> A lot of this in the X log: "Failed to get GBM bo for flip to new front"
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2492 [18:19:58] <g0zzy> Followed by "present flip failed"
2493 [18:20:15] * rant tries to avoid mixing BMs and BO with technology problems
2494 [18:20:34] <nixew> I'm trying to start Packet Tracer 7.2.1 and the only thing it says is "Starting Packet Tracer 7.2.1" and it ends doing anything afterwards. Any ideas what's wrong?
2495 [18:20:43] <nixew> I'm using Debian 10.0
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2499 [18:21:06] <g0zzy> Replacing the panel didn't do anything to make one appear
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2501 [18:21:11] <rant> nixew: wtf is Packet Tracer 7.2.1?
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2503 [18:21:19] <rant> ,i wireshark
2504 [18:21:21] <judd> Package wireshark (net, optional) in buster/amd64: network traffic analyzer - meta-package. Version: 2.6.8-1.1; Size: 49.0k; Installed: 63k; Homepage: replaced-url
2505 [18:21:34] <g0zzy> I tried lower sized displace settings and still no panel appeared
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2507 [18:21:52] <alkisg> g0zzy: so, what was the output of `mate-panel --replace` ?
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2509 [18:22:31] <alkisg> g0zzy: also, can you pastebin the output of `xrandr` and of `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 3 VGA` ?
2510 [18:22:36] <nixew> rant: can't you try a search engine to find out? Are you really asking me this?
2511 [18:22:39] <g0zzy> I'll try it again to see
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2513 [18:23:17] <rant> nixew: are you really asking US this? Its proprietary software, you should be asking the people who wrote it
2514 [18:24:25] <humpled> bof
2515 [18:24:27] <rant> not only is it proprietary software, but seems to require enrollment to even access it.. so how am I suppose to support something I never heard of and cant get my hands on?
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2517 [18:25:03] <g0zzy> lspci: replaced-url
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2523 [18:27:05] <alkisg> g0zzy: this is fine; output of `xrandr` and `mate-panel --replace` ?
2524 [18:27:10] <Bushmills> sounds like a case for strace
2525 [18:27:42] <g0zzy> xrandr: replaced-url
2526 [18:28:16] <alkisg> g0zzy: you have 2 monitors; mate-panel will only show up in one of them; are both of them powered on?
2527 [18:28:43] <alkisg> E.g. it might be showing in the external HDMI-1 monitor, and you're expecting it to show up in LVDS-1...
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2529 [18:29:05] <g0zzy> Ah i do have x11vnc running. Would that be it? There's only one physical monitor
2530 [18:29:46] <rant> MATE will show the panel on the primary display which in this case is LVDS-1
2531 [18:30:24] <alkisg> g0zzy: the system thinks you have two. Try: xrandr --output HDMI-1 --same-as LVDS-1
2532 [18:30:31] <alkisg> or go to the control panel and make them clones
2533 [18:30:46] <alkisg> This way you'll see if this is the problem or not, and later take care the problem of the "phantom display"
2534 [18:30:47] <g0zzy> Perhaps i should decomplicate. I'll get rid of x11vnc
2535 [18:30:53] <rant> that probably isn't possible, they are different aspects and resolutions
2536 [18:31:01] <alkisg> x11vnc doesn't touch outputs
2537 [18:31:18] <alkisg> rant: afaik it uses the biggest common one in that case
2538 [18:31:36] <rant> a better diagnostic would probably be to disable the other output
2539 [18:31:46] <alkisg> g0zzy: run this: mate-display-properties
2540 [18:32:02] <g0zzy> mate-panel --replace hangs with no output
2541 [18:32:03] <alkisg> This way it'll automatically revert if you disable the wrong display
2542 [18:32:13] <alkisg> g0zzy: ok, this means it runs on the other panel
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2544 [18:32:17] <alkisg> *other display
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2546 [18:32:41] <g0zzy> Anything i can do with ssh will help now as that box is elsewhere
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2548 [18:32:51] <alkisg> g0zzy: fire up vnc again
2549 [18:32:57] <rant> if the panel is at the top, and the smaller secondary display is oriented at 0 on the y axis, it should still be visible
2550 [18:32:57] <g0zzy> OK
2551 [18:32:58] <alkisg> It doesn't interfere
2552 [18:33:30] <alkisg> g0zzy: wait.. isn't x11vnc showing you both displays?
2553 [18:33:47] <alkisg> Maybe you have a bad client that only shows the secondary monitor? Which client are you using?
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2555 [18:34:13] <rant> g0zzy: I find x2go to be far better solution for full desktop and xpra to be better for individual apps
2556 [18:34:32] <rant> both work with existing ssh credentials
2557 [18:34:33] <asterismo_l> cluelessperson, will this apply to this layout? i'm using a RAID-1 encrypted LVM
2558 [18:34:36] <asterismo_l> replaced-url
2559 [18:34:38] <g0zzy> OK you're onto something. When i use the vnc viewer i see two screens. One with panel one without
2560 [18:34:39] * alkisg has had so many stale session problems with x2go that gave up on it years ago, and switched to x11vnc over ssh
2561 [18:35:09] <alkisg> g0zzy: ok, just run mate-display-properties and set the layout you want
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2563 [18:36:55] <g0zzy> OK, It's a bit hard to see over VNC as it's small. I might have to go to the box
2564 [18:37:37] <g0zzy> I don't get where IT'S getting an extra display from
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2566 [18:37:58] <alkisg> Do you have an hdmi cable connected?
2567 [18:38:08] <alkisg> Is your main screen an external monitor connected over hdmi?
2568 [18:38:18] <g0zzy> Yes. Excuse my ignorance but what IS fLVDS-1?
2569 [18:38:29] <alkisg> Usually a laptop display
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2571 [18:38:57] <g0zzy> Well that's weird. This is a desktop box connected via hdmi
2572 [18:39:11] <alkisg> Yeah intel does that :)
2573 [18:39:27] <alkisg> It also creates phantom eDP-1 displays as well; you can disable them from grub
2574 [18:40:11] <alkisg> If this is NOT UEFI, you'd run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, and you'd put: video=LVDS-1:d and you'd reboot
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2576 [18:40:24] <g0zzy> It IS uefi
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2578 [18:40:40] <alkisg> Then you need to manually edit /etc/default/grub, put this there in the default cmdline, and run update-grub
2579 [18:41:09] <alkisg> You can also disable the phantom display from mate-display-properties or from xorg.conf, but this way it's better, it's globally disabled
2580 [18:41:11] <g0zzy> Surely what i want is not the LVDS-1 but hdmi1?
2581 [18:41:25] <alkisg> You can test from mate-display-properties
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2584 [18:41:49] <alkisg> If you're using an hmdi cable, I believe you want to disable lvds-1
2585 [18:42:15] <g0zzy> When this box goes to the client, they will be using VGA actually
2586 [18:42:26] <alkisg> Still not lvds-1 though
2587 [18:42:52] <g0zzy> I don't want to queer it for when it gets moved to their premises
2588 [18:43:26] <alkisg> I've seen cases where the intel driver gets confused if you have an hdmi cable but not a vga cable
2589 [18:43:33] <alkisg> If you're lucky, it might "just work" with vga
2590 [18:43:42] <alkisg> If you're unlucky, they'll get the same issue and you'll have to help them
2591 [18:44:11] <alkisg> AFAIK if you put this to grub though, you're safe in both cases
2592 [18:44:22] <alkisg> Since that box doesn't have an lvds output
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2594 [18:44:57] <g0zzy> OK but what's counter-intuitive to me is that LVDS is the 'wrong' one ...
2595 [18:45:27] <alkisg> g0zzy: the d at the end means "disable
2596 [18:45:28] <g0zzy> (so why would i be doing video=LVDS-1 in grub?)
2597 [18:45:40] <alkisg> video=LVDS-1 : d (without spaces)
2598 [18:45:45] <alkisg> that d means disable
2599 [18:45:59] <g0zzy> Ah sorry - it's come out as an emoticon here ;)
2600 [18:46:18] <alkisg> Google for this, with quotes: "video=LVDS-1:d"
2601 [18:46:25] <humpled> heheh
2602 [18:46:28] <alkisg> You'll see others with the same problem
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2604 [18:47:22] <annadane> i see you searched for video=LVDS-1:d. did you also mean: shopping best deals?
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2608 [18:49:12] <g0zzy> OK, going to give it a try
2609 [18:49:32] <alkisg> g0zzy: btw which kernel is that?
2610 [18:50:27] <g0zzy> 4.19.0-5-amd64
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2612 [18:51:07] <g0zzy> Do i need to run update-grub?
2613 [18:51:13] <alkisg> Yes
2614 [18:51:27] <alkisg> grep video /boot/grub/grub.cfg => should have the line before you reboot
2615 [18:51:52] <alkisg> grep LVDS /boot/grub/grub.cfg, for fewer lines... :)
2616 [18:52:11] <greycat> if you modified /etc/default/grub, yes.
2617 [18:52:35] <g0zzy> Err.. it doesn't!
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2619 [18:53:09] * alkisg waves for now; later...
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2623 [18:54:57] <g0zzy> Should i have put it in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT?
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2625 [18:55:59] <g0zzy> Oops. Yes!
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2646 [19:11:21] <g------> How can I see if I'm running gnutls or openssl?
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2648 [19:11:46] <g------> or nss
2649 [19:11:52] <greycat> You aren't "running" either one. They're libraries. Each individual program may link to one of them, or neither.
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2651 [19:12:02] <g------> Right but how do I find out which package I have installed
2652 [19:12:03] <greycat> e.g. "ldd /usr/bin/curl"
2653 [19:12:03] <g------> Sorry
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2655 [19:12:18] <greycat> Installed? dpkg -l libssl\* libgnutls\*
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2659 [19:13:06] <greycat> If you have multiple web browser programs (lynx, w3m, curl, etc.), each individual one may link to one, or the other.
2660 [19:13:20] <g------> replaced-url
2661 [19:13:28] <g------> gnutls it seems?
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2666 [19:13:55] <greycat> lynx uses libgnutls, wget uses libgnutls, curl uses libssl, ...
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2672 [19:15:46] <g------> thank you
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2674 [19:17:29] <nixew> Alright, a different question. Is it possible to install libpng12-0 on Debian 10? There is one for "jessie" and one for "sid" (only for arm64 architecture).
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2676 [19:18:16] <twanny796> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/cyrus-imapd.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled)
2677 [19:18:16] <twanny796>
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2679 [19:18:46] <greycat> You can try to install the jessie package, and see how it goes. Old libraries are usually fairly benign.
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2682 [19:19:16] <greycat> If the package has some weird conflict, you can extract the .deb manually, toss the library in /usr/local/lib/, and run ldconfig.
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2685 [19:21:15] <kreyren> how do i change debian release?
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2688 [19:21:31] <kreyren> apt.conf and sources.list config doesnt seem to be sufficient
2689 [19:21:34] <nixew> greycat: it looks like it has a conflict - unable to install new version of '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0': No such file or directory
2690 [19:21:46] <kreyren> it still prefers current over others
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2692 [19:22:16] <kreyren> ~and they hate me on #debian-next~
2693 [19:22:17] <greycat> That's weird. I have libpng12-0 installed on my buster workstation, surely left over from god knows what previous release.
2694 [19:22:33] <greycat> ,v libpng12-0
2695 [19:22:34] <judd> Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3
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2698 [19:22:56] <greycat> Yeah, that's the one I have.
2699 [19:22:59] <nixew> That's the one I tried to install.
2700 [19:23:33] <greycat> nixew: I'm wondering if it's a usrmerge thing. That /usr/lib/ path might not exist on your system.
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2704 [19:24:24] <nixew> The path exists, but I can see libpng16.so.16 there.
2705 [19:24:29] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jan 6 2017 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0 -> libpng12.so.0.50.0
2706 [19:24:32] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Jan 6 2017 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0
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2708 [19:24:52] <greycat> Maybe the /lib/ path doesn't exist.
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2712 [19:25:56] <nixew> greycat: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Apr 8 10:55 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16 -> libpng16.so.16.36.0
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2714 [19:27:09] <greycat> well, if both /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu exist then I don't know what's causing the error. When in doubt, just extract it manually, drop the library in /usr/local/lib, and run ldconfig.
2715 [19:27:43] <greycat> (that, or dig into the problem until you find out what's causing that error)
2716 [19:28:45] <nixew> greycat: I have no idea how to dig into this. I'll try to extract it there.
2717 [19:29:09] <twanny796> any help on cyrus?
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2726 [19:34:36] <g0zzy> Thanks folks - the video=LVDS-1:d move worked a treat
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2735 [19:39:50] <nixew> greycat: thank you very much. I copied the libpng12 file and its symbolic link to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ and problem solved.
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2744 [19:47:11] <zerocool> can someone confirm for me that the default dhcp renew time for dhclient in buster is 3600 seconds
2745 [19:47:15] <zerocool> or correct me
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2747 [19:47:18] <zerocool> pretty please
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2754 [19:50:44] <tarzeau> zerocool: which dhcp client?
2755 [19:51:02] <zerocool> dhclient
2756 [19:51:20] <karlpinc> zerocool: You can look at the default config at sources.debian.org. It will be somewhere in the "debian" folder iirc.
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2762 [19:54:25] <Church-> Question on unattended-upgrade/apt -y upgrade. Is there a way for me to determine if I need to reboot my host after applying either of them? Doing this automatically through a config management system.
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2764 [19:56:14] <zerocool> oh wait in /var/log/syslog i see "bound to $IPADDRESS -- renewal in 1526 seconds."
2765 [19:57:02] <ksk> Hey guys. Has anyone successully passed through GPU-device nodes to a LXC-container? I get following message on container startup if I configured it to do that: "cgroups/cgfsng.c: cg_legacy_set_data: 2191 Failed to setup limits for the "devices" controller. The controller seems to be unused by "cgfsng" cgroup driver" -- any Ideas would be welcome. thanks!
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2767 [19:59:29] <Habbie> Church-, the 'needrestart' package might be of interest
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2777 [20:04:30] <ksk> ++ for needrestart :)
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2797 [20:12:30] <steelwolf> I thought that if systemctl is saying a service is enabled, it would start at boot without user interaction. But I’m noticing my service is waiting for a login, and then starting.
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2800 [20:13:47] <steelwolf> What am I missing that is causing my service to wait for user login before starting?
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2819 [20:19:18] * jhutchins_wk casually wonders just how many things in Linux could be called a service.
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2825 [20:21:03] <steelwolf> Either way running systemctl enable <value> should cause it to run at startup, no? I feel like I’m missing something obvious.
2826 [20:21:16] <jhutchins_wk> steelwolf: Does it require a GUI?
2827 [20:21:33] <SerajewelKS> steelwolf: enabling a unit doesn't make it start at boot necessarily
2828 [20:21:49] <jhutchins_wk> Stx: It would probably help a LOT if you told us what "service" you were working with.
2829 [20:22:14] <steelwolf> Fair enough, I am trying to do a minimal debian installation to run docker.
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2832 [20:22:53] <SerajewelKS> for example, if the unit doesn't declare that it's wantedby a unit that does start automatically (such as multi-user.target) then enabling it doesn't really do anything
2833 [20:23:03] <SerajewelKS> (well it might do something -- but not start at boot)
2834 [20:23:19] <jhutchins_wk> !docker
2835 [20:23:19] <dpkg> it has been said that docker is #docker on chat.freenode.net
2836 [20:24:09] <steelwolf> I assumed I was doing something dumb with systemd and not with the docker installation but I can ask there as well.
2837 [20:24:30] <Stx> jhutchins_wk: Im just gonna ignore that. ;o)
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2845 [20:29:22] <steelwolf> Hmm.
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2856 [20:35:32] <cbthree> /msg NickServ identify k13r0entr@r
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2863 [20:39:51] <lineageosfan> Yesterday I had asked in this channel about a RAS software and which would be suited to connect in a LAN. alkisg had recommended a solution to me. Unfortunately my browser crashed after the chat. What was the name of the software again?
2864 [20:40:08] <alkisg> lineageosfan: epoptes.org, I'm the developer ;)
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2870 [20:42:37] <lineageosfan> alkisg: Thank you. Are you really?
2871 [20:42:49] <alkisg> ...see help > about :)
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2873 [20:43:29] <lineageosfan> :-)
2874 [20:45:26] <jhutchins_wk> steelwolf: I stay well away from Docker, but I believe that the "spin up containers" is not automatic by default.
2875 [20:45:47] <lineageosfan> OK. Thank you. I will install it. See you.
2876 [20:45:55] <alkisg> yw
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2879 [20:47:12] <steelwolf> @jhutchins_wk yeah you have to set up the containers to do that, but the overall docker itself should be starting on boot like networking and everything else. At least, it’s showing up in my systemctl list-units that way
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2907 [20:58:47] <sleepingforest> AppImage or Snap? Whats the preferred tool?
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2911 [21:00:13] <diogenes_> app
2912 [21:01:08] <alkisg> dpkg :)
2913 [21:01:08] <dpkg> it has been said that ) is the smile part of a face.
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2915 [21:02:00] <sleepingforest> dpkg is always preferred, but if theres no latest version in testing or backports then i gotta use something else
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2917 [21:02:00] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, sleepingforest
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2920 [21:02:36] <ayekat> I prefer packaging it myself, then
2921 [21:02:43] <wr> equivalent of "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" on deb 10?
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2923 [21:03:05] <sleepingforest> dpkg thanks
2924 [21:03:05] <dpkg> gern geschehen, sleepingforest
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2926 [21:05:02] <greycat> !literal thanks
2927 [21:05:03] <dpkg> "thanks" is "<reply> $who: (that's ok|no problem d00d|sweet as, enjoy|no, no ... thank YOU!|you're welcome|OMGNPLOLS)"
2928 [21:05:04] <diogenes_> good bot dpkg :)
2929 [21:05:10] <greycat> that's... interesting
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2937 [21:09:46] * alkisg wonders what OMGNPLOLS is..
2938 [21:10:22] <ratrace> omg np lols
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2940 [21:11:36] <diogenes_> Omgnplols looks like a greek last name.
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2943 [21:13:52] * alkisg guesses diogenes_ isn't greek ;)
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2953 [21:16:06] * diogenes_ is Diogenes Papachristodoulopoulos
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2956 [21:17:13] <alkisg> Hehe
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2962 [21:20:41] <Stereo> Hi everyone
2963 [21:21:25] <diogenes_> hi
2964 [21:21:39] <Stereo> I have these two xen VMs, and one is giving me a xen console, and the other one isn't. I'm trying to understand why so that I can get a console on both machines, to have a safety net when I upgrade from stretch to buster on that vm.
2965 [21:22:12] <Stereo> syslog says: Aug 5 16:56:01 Ucalegon systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Serial Getty on hvc0.
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2968 [21:23:47] <Stereo> Looking at the systemctl status, it says: Aug 05 18:23:16 Ucalegon.stereo.lu systemd[1]: serial-getty@hvc0.service: Job serial-getty@hvc0.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
2969 [21:24:09] <Stereo> What that dependency is and why one machine has it and the other one doesn't is, so far, mysterious to me.
2970 [21:25:28] <karlpinc> Stereo: It _could_ be a systemd dependency. (I'm not so good with systemd.) In which case a 'systemd status', or varient, might say that there's something that's not running.
2971 [21:25:41] <Habbie> (systemctl status)
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2975 [21:27:16] <Stereo> Yeah neither am I, trying to learn the hard way :)
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2977 [21:27:45] <Stereo> Nothing in systemctl status looks relevant
2978 [21:27:52] <Stereo> I'll compare packages maybe
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2981 [21:29:05] <cbthree> i installed buster on my samsung chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from built in microphone. Since i did not get any answers here i asked in #pulseaudio and then #alsa. No solution so far
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2985 [21:31:46] <cbthree> i have to point out that sound works fine but the internal microphone does not
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2994 [21:39:28] <greycat> So, it turns out that having really really old /etc/nsswitch.conf (lenny? etch?) makes NIS not so happy in Debian 10. And then editing the file by hand but screwing up the "shadow" line because it has fewer fields than the first two, and not noticing... is also bad. Who knew.
2995 [21:39:49] <diogenes_> cbthree, arecord -l pastebin
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2997 [21:40:20] <greycat> There was one point where I could login as root but not myself, and another point where I could login as myself (NIS authentication) but not root (because /etc/shadow was broken by the nsswith.conf error).
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2999 [21:41:30] <ksk> greycat: welcome to buster ;)
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3001 [21:42:05] <greycat> This is my 5th buster upgrade overall. The first one to encounter that *particular* issue.
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3004 [21:42:40] <Stereo> Ok, found it, it was udev that was missing
3005 [21:42:54] <Stereo> Thank you karlpinc and Habbie
3006 [21:43:37] <greycat> My oldest note for this system says "2009-02-27: Upgraded to Debian 5.0 (lenny)" so it was probably a pre-lenny nsswitch.conf file.
3007 [21:44:33] <Stereo> greycat: if you can still find references to floppies in sources.list, you know it's old :)
3008 [21:44:55] <greycat> Not in sources.list, but every time it builds an initramfs, I get warnings about floppies.
3009 [21:44:59] <cbthree> replaced-url
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3011 [21:45:11] <Stereo> Hehe
3012 [21:45:34] <greycat> /etc/kernel-img.conf:do_bootfloppy = no
3013 [21:46:20] <cluelessperson> I was hoping someone could help me with something. I'm creating vlan netdevs with systemd-networkd, and they seem to be made correctly, but they're getting renamed by the kernel at boot, not sure why.
3014 [21:46:28] <cluelessperson> [ 4.870197] rename6: renamed from uplink.103[ 4.939737] rename7: renamed from uplink.101
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3021 [21:51:40] <cbthree> diogenes_, any suggestions?
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3024 [21:54:11] <diogenes_> cbthree, in /etc/pulse/default.pa just above the line module-udev-detect.so, add this: load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:0,0
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3026 [21:54:27] <diogenes_> save, close, run: pulseaudio -k, check the mic
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3030 [21:55:35] <cluelessperson> I'm honestly completely stuck
3031 [21:56:23] <diogenes_> cbthree, if that one won't work then change that line to this one: load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0
3032 [21:56:49] <diogenes_> instead of =hw:0,0 chabge to =hw:1,0
3033 [21:57:03] <diogenes_> and pulseaudio -k
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3042 [22:02:35] <cbthree> pulseaudio -k as a normal user or as root?
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3048 [22:05:13] <diogenes_> no root
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3050 [22:05:20] <Intelo> how in the world do I install dell bios drivers with no hdd?
3051 [22:05:22] <cbthree> ok
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3070 [22:11:46] <cbthree> diogenes_, i did what you told me but the issue remains the same
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3072 [22:12:03] <tarzeau> there's no secret or unknown to me thing like marketing for debian, ala omgubuntu?
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3076 [22:12:28] <diogenes_> cbthree, then your best bet would be a newer kernel.
3077 [22:12:35] <asterismo_l> i upgraded a system from debian 8 to debian 9 and debian 10 today
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3079 [22:13:00] <asterismo_l> i had installed mysql-community-server 5.7 in debian 8
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3081 [22:13:14] <asterismo_l> and after dist-upgrading mysql is not working
3082 [22:13:26] <asterismo_l> where can i get some help with this?
3083 [22:13:51] <cbthree> diogenes_, i am running Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u1 (2019-07-19) and someone told to upgrade to 5.2 but there is not 5.2 in the debian repo
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3086 [22:14:16] <tarzeau> cbthree: and you audio in (micro) doesn't work?
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3089 [22:14:33] <cbthree> tarzeau, no
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3091 [22:14:53] <qubenix> cluelessperson: found this, hope it helps. replaced-url
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3094 [22:15:04] <tarzeau> cbthree: what is it that you need 5.2?
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3098 [22:15:57] <cbthree> i was told the latest kernel has some patches and fixes some audio isssue
3099 [22:15:59] <cluelessperson> qubenix Thank you so much. That seems to be exactly what is happening
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3111 [22:23:11] <karlpinc> qubenix: Urgle. I wonder why that fixes it.
3112 [22:23:47] <Sleaker> ,v lxc-net
3113 [22:23:48] <judd> No package named 'lxc-net' was found in amd64.
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3115 [22:23:57] <Sleaker> was lxc-net never a package?
3116 [22:24:28] <greycat> judd goes back to jessie, I think
3117 [22:24:54] <greycat> ,v bash
3118 [22:24:55] <judd> Package: bash on amd64 -- jessie: 4.3-11+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.3-11+deb8u2; stretch: 4.4-5; bullseye: 5.0-4; buster: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4
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3130 [22:31:31] <cbthree> this internal mic not working issue is a bit too much a for a newbie
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3135 [22:32:54] <karlpinc> cbthree: I've not been following.
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3137 [22:33:01] <karlpinc> !alsa-checklist
3138 [22:33:01] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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3142 [22:33:42] <karlpinc> cbthree: Could also be non-free firmware. (possibly) Did you install with the unofficial installer containing non-free firmware?
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3146 [22:35:34] <cbthree> sound works ok. i can listen to music, watch videos with sound. the only thing that does not work is the internal mic and in #alsa and #pulseaudio they told me to buy a usb sound card because my hardware is problematic
3147 [22:36:06] <tarzeau> cbthree: so now you know. some hardware sucks
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3149 [22:36:30] <tarzeau> or you download from replaced-url
3150 [22:36:39] <tarzeau> cbthree: unpack it, and build it, it's not rocket science.
3151 [22:36:49] <greycat> I thought we already went over this last week... or whas that a different person?
3152 [22:36:58] <karlpinc> cbthree: There are instructions in the debian kernel handbook.
3153 [22:37:07] <tarzeau> i think it's the same, and i saw reddit postings about the exact same thing, lol
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3155 [22:37:15] <cbthree> tarzeau, compiling a kernel is not something a newbie should be expected to do to fix a problem on a computer which was a present
3156 [22:37:19] <karlpinc> !kernel handbook
3157 [22:37:19] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
3158 [22:37:34] <greycat> cbthree: then what do you expect us to do?
3159 [22:37:38] <tarzeau> cbthree: you know my answer. you should only run software that you can build yourself
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3161 [22:37:53] <tarzeau> cbthree: cd /usr/src; wget replaced-url
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3165 [22:38:37] <karlpinc> cbthree: When the manufacturers keep secrets it takes time for volunteers to reverse engineer and write code to make the hardware work.
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3167 [22:39:18] <cbthree> tarzeau, would it not be better to do: apt-get install linux-image-5.2.6-amd64 ???
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3169 [22:39:30] <tarzeau> cbthree: you can do that, but first you have to build it :)
3170 [22:39:42] <BCMM> tarzeau: that won't work, because that kernel is not in debian's repos
3171 [22:39:48] <BCMM> sorry, meant to highlight cbthree there
3172 [22:39:57] <greycat> cbthree: do you think we're going to wave a magic wand and make new packages appear on your mirror?
3173 [22:40:02] <BCMM> cbthree: debian does not package every single upstream kernel release
3174 [22:40:08] <tarzeau> BCMM: one can make their own packages using reprepro you can even have your own repository
3175 [22:40:18] <tarzeau> greycat: yeah :) i will
3176 [22:40:49] <tarzeau> cbthree: but once your mic is unmuted, you'll get muted in here, deal?
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3178 [22:41:33] <cbthree> tarzeau, ?
3179 [22:42:28] <tarzeau> cbthree: i have my copy, and you? now run: tar xzvf linux-5.2.6.tar.xz
3180 [22:42:34] <BCMM> tarzeau: by the way, why build the kernel in /usr/src?
3181 [22:42:42] <cbthree> tarzeau, was told to try debian backports but 5.2 is not there
3182 [22:42:44] <BCMM> you should build as a regular user, and let apt handle /usr/src
3183 [22:42:48] <greycat> he's a traditionalist
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3185 [22:42:49] <wr> tzselect
3186 [22:43:07] <greycat> cbthree: nobody *here* told you that there was a backport of 5.2, I hope
3187 [22:43:09] <greycat> ,kernels
3188 [22:43:10] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-6); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u4); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u4~deb8u1)
3189 [22:43:18] <greycat> As you can clearly see, judd doesn't show one.
3190 [22:43:22] <BCMM> greycat: i was gonna guess "gentoo user"
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3193 [22:43:50] <greycat> I'm almost certain that we told you, last week, that you should download the upstream source code and build your own kernel .deb.
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3195 [22:44:23] <cbthree> do i need more than 500 MB in my /usr/src to build a kernel?
3196 [22:44:31] <greycat> Probably.
3197 [22:44:40] <tarzeau> cbthree: it unpacked into 1 GB for me
3198 [22:44:46] <greycat> But you don't have to build it *there*. Do you have space somewhere else?
3199 [22:44:49] <tarzeau> cbthree: it can be anywhere, must not be /usr/src
3200 [22:45:04] <cbthree> i have less than 700MB left in my / partition
3201 [22:45:24] <greycat> How about in your porn partition?
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3203 [22:45:54] <cbthree> my hd is 16 gig (yes, sixteen gigabytes and it is soldered to the mainboard). No space to add a second hd
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3205 [22:46:36] <greycat> And you *partitioned* it?
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3207 [22:46:42] <cbthree> yes
3208 [22:46:48] <greycat> gods, why
3209 [22:46:55] <tarzeau> replaced-url
3210 [22:47:04] <BCMM> one of those blog posts that advises that /var/ /usr/ and /boot all have to be on different filesystems?
3211 [22:47:12] <tarzeau> cbthree: throw that crap away, buy the usb soundcard (attached to a real computer)
3212 [22:47:22] <cbthree> i was recommend to create a swap partition and a /home partition
3213 [22:47:23] * tarzeau gives up, gets some wodka, cheers
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3215 [22:47:42] <greycat> Did the person who made that recommendation KNOW that your whole hard drive was only 16 GB?
3216 [22:48:10] <greycat> Do you have another computer of the same architecture that you can build the kernel on?
3217 [22:48:23] <BCMM> i skimmed the scrollback but i might have missed it: has the actual sound problem been discussed? or upgrading the kernel just something that "somebody" said cbthree should do?
3218 [22:48:24] <cbthree> tarzeau, drinking vodka will not solve your problems and certainly will not solve mine either
3219 [22:48:27] <BCMM> ^or is upgrading
3220 [22:48:46] <tarzeau> cbthree: i like the taste. it's not for solving any problems. i enjoy it
3221 [22:49:03] <BCMM> would probably be good to rule out the simple stuff like wrong mixer settings
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3223 [22:49:30] <cbthree> tarzeau, don't drive and d(riv)e
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3225 [22:49:47] <cbthree> after drinking vodka, that is
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3228 [22:50:21] <tarzeau> i've got a private pilot, wtf do you think?
3229 [22:51:03] <cbthree> i use public transportation myself. i can not afford a car
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3231 [22:51:31] <cbthree> not even a matchbox one!
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3236 [22:53:17] <cbthree> gotta go. will be back later. thanks
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3238 [22:53:29] <cluelessperson> qubenix Thank you so much. That seems to be exactly what is happening. However, that file does not exist on debian?
3239 [22:53:35] <cluelessperson> I don't know what's causing udev to do this
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3243 [22:54:22] <qubenix> sorry, cluelessperson, i'm not familiar myself. just did some searching for you. good luck.
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3252 [22:58:22] <cluelessperson> Does anyone know what could be renaming netowrk interfaces after they're created by systemd-networkd?
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3266 [23:04:26] <cluelessperson> I don't know what to do
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3270 [23:04:58] <cluelessperson> For some reason, some of my interfaces created by systemd-networkd netdev files are being renamed
3271 [23:05:14] <cluelessperson> it might be udev renaming them, but it doesn't make sense why it'd rename some of them, and not others
3272 [23:05:20] <cluelessperson> and I can't find the rules responsible
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3276 [23:08:17] <dvs> it might be because there exists 70-persistent-net in the /etc/udev/rules.d directory
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3295 [23:18:54] <karlpinc> cluelessperson: Check the buster release notes for network renaming. replaced-url
3296 [23:19:13] <karlpinc> I don't know that there's answers there. But you could probably just turn off interface renaming.
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3322 [23:34:29] <cluelessperson> karlpinc interesting, but I can't find why it's renaming it after I've set it up
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3328 [23:36:38] <swift110> sup folks
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3335 [23:38:50] <dvs> yo yo yo
3336 [23:39:45] <cluelessperson> yo
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3338 [23:41:14] <swift110> how are you dvs and cluelessperson
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3341 [23:41:33] <cluelessperson> bored out of my mind and stuck on a ***** stupid issue
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3343 [23:44:04] <swift110> oh ok whats wrong cluelessperson
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3345 [23:44:41] <cluelessperson> swift110 I'm creating interfaces at boot using netdev files with systemd-networkd, the interfaces are being renamed from uplink.101 to rename7 and etc
3346 [23:44:54] <cluelessperson> so my creation is working, something else is overwriting them
3347 [23:44:58] <swift110> cluelessperson, oh ok hope it gets better
3348 [23:45:05] * swift110 has no clue what that was
3349 [23:45:23] <cluelessperson> however, there is no clue as to what is renaming things
3350 [23:45:34] <cluelessperson> logs are sparse
3351 [23:45:46] <cluelessperson> kernel renamed thing to thing, what part of the kernel and why?
3352 [23:45:50] <swift110> oh ok
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3356 [23:48:38] <cluelessperson> usually it's udev, but I can't find any rules responsible
3357 [23:48:48] <swift110> oh i see
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3359 [23:49:27] <dvs> <dvs> it might be because there exists 70-persistent-net in the /etc/udev/rules.d directory
3360 [23:49:43] <dvs> I already said that
3361 [23:50:06] <cluelessperson> dvs ah, sorry I didn't respond, but I did check for that, it doesn't exist
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3363 [23:50:57] <cluelessperson> dvs replaced-url
3364 [23:52:30] <dvs> uh, debian doesn't put the dynamic rules in /usr/lib/udev/rules.d
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3366 [23:53:16] <cluelessperson> dvs the find command starts at root `/`
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3373 [23:57:56] <maxrazer> Does anyone know if dbus is not installed by default? I think it is not if one doesn't install task-desktop
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3375 [23:58:33] <rant> why would dbus be installed by "default"?
3376 [23:58:33] <maxrazer> Also, does anyone know how to set wallpaper? My wallpaper is set and I don't know what set it. It might be feh. I installed XFCE and it added it, but I have no program configuring it.
3377 [23:58:39] <rant> ,i dbus
3378 [23:58:40] <judd> Package dbus (admin, standard) in buster/amd64: simple interprocess messaging system (daemon and utilities). Version: 1.12.16-1; Size: 229.5k; Installed: 598k; Homepage: replaced-url
3379 [23:58:43] <maxrazer> rant, A lot of programs require dbus.
3380 [23:58:57] <rant> it says its tagged "standard"
3381 [23:59:27] <maxrazer> rant, I noticed that Hexchat and dunst messaging started working and I think it happened after dbus was installed probably by XFCE.
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3383 [23:59:37] <rant> dpkg, standard?
3384 [23:59:38] <dpkg> hmm... standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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