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• 15[00:14:50] <KjetilK> I'm seeing some pretty scary errors in my dmesg during dist-upgrade to buster... Suddenly, the upgrade saying that a file in /etc was on a read only file system, and indeed, the filesystem was remounted ro after an error, and it looks pretty serious: replaced-url
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• 18[00:15:44] <KjetilK> the SSD that contains the LVM which has the root file system is gone... /dev/sda isn't there anymore...
• 19[00:16:05] <tarzeau> even after a reboot?
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• 21[00:16:16] <KjetilK> I haven't deared to reboot yet...
• 22[00:16:17] <tarzeau> is it an intel ssd? i know why i don't want ssd :)
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• 24[00:16:30] <tarzeau> i've had 14 intel ssd that needed firmware upgrade...
• 25[00:16:34] <KjetilK> I don't remember if it is an SSD
• 26[00:16:34] <tarzeau> KjetilK: got a backup?
• 27[00:16:37] <KjetilK> ouch
• 28[00:16:39] <KjetilK> yeah
• 29[00:17:01] <KjetilK> and I have new disks that I intended to insert after the upgrade, so no crisis
• 30[00:17:08] <tarzeau> if you dare to power off, check if the sata/power cables are in properly on both sides
• 31[00:17:18] <tarzeau> and if it boots. with empty /lost+found
• 32[00:17:23] <KjetilK> but I like the fast bootup time that SSD provides
• 33[00:17:41] <tarzeau> i just keep all computers running 24/7, even faster than any boot up time :)
• 34[00:17:54] <KjetilK> I'm actually surprised the box is still running
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• 37[00:18:14] <tarzeau> it's all in memory what's needed/important?
• 38[00:18:30] <KjetilK> yeah, this box is always on, but I like it to come quickly up after a power failure or kernel upgrade :-)
• 39[00:18:30] <tarzeau> KjetilK: try a find / :) and monitor dmesg output :)
• 40[00:18:51] <KjetilK> mmmmm
• 41[00:19:18] <KjetilK> I did a du
• 42[00:19:38] <KjetilK> not pretty
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• 47[00:20:44] <KjetilK> oh, well, I guess I just have to turn it off, check the cables and try again...
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• 49[00:21:34] <KjetilK> not a good thing since it happened as apt was setting up stuff too... There's probably a lot that isn't in a consistent state
• 50[00:22:27] <tarzeau> stuff break much more often while in use than when they lay around powered off
• 51[00:22:37] <KjetilK> true
• 52[00:23:09] <KjetilK> it was the root file system that failed, /home and /var is on a different RAID array
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• 55[00:23:43] <KjetilK> worst that could happen is that I have to install buster from scratch
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• 58[00:24:13] <trek00> KjetilK: try another sata cable too
• 59[00:24:19] * KjetilK nods
• 60[00:24:34] <tarzeau> trek00: i've never seen a broken sata cable
• 61[00:25:01] <tarzeau> i've seen broken power cables, video cables, ethernetcables, and lightning usb cables of apple (MANY of them)
• 62[00:25:10] <trek00> tarzeau: you are lucky ;)
• 63[00:25:37] <CrystalMath> how do i tell apt to reinstall a package AND write its configuration files into /etc?
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• 66[00:26:16] <tarzeau> CrystalMath: if it's some "smart" thing in a post/pre install/removal script, the only way is to remove purge the config file, and manually clean up rest
• 67[00:27:01] <jmcnaught> !confnew
• 68[00:27:01] <dpkg> [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
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• 70[00:27:58] <CrystalMath> tarzeau: i see, yeah
• 71[00:28:15] <tarzeau> CrystalMath: which package?
• 72[00:29:28] <CrystalMath> tor
• 73[00:29:36] <CrystalMath> i lost /etc/tor/torrc
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• 75[00:30:24] <trek00> CrystalMath: you can unpack debian package and copymanually to /etc
• 76[00:31:05] <jmcnaught> !confmiss
• 77[00:31:06] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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• 79[00:31:15] <jmcnaught> CrystalMath: ^ try that
• 80[00:31:23] <trek00> CrystalMath: dpkg -x tor.deb; cp -ia etc/tor/torrc /etc/tor
• 81[00:31:49] <CrystalMath> what i ended up doing was dpkg --purge and then installing it again
• 82[00:31:58] <CrystalMath> it worked
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• 95[00:46:05] <KjetilK> aaaargggh! My SSD is definitly dead. Diseased. Pining for the fjords...
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• 97[00:46:45] <trek00> KjetilK: after how much time of work?
• 98[00:46:48] <KjetilK> it is not detected by the BIOS either, changed cables, checked power
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• 101[00:47:32] <dvs> KjetilK, it's just resting... X-D
• 102[00:47:43] <joepublic> lovely plumage, innit.
• 103[00:48:09] <KjetilK> trek00: I had a little bit of work on it to reduce one partition and resize the root partition earlier today, but in all probably not more than an hour, but it is also going to take some work to get the setup right after installation
• 104[00:48:50] <joepublic> I have a disturbing number of SSDs that will not work attached to the sata controller on a motherboard nor in a laptop but work perfectly in my USB3 SATA cradle.
• 105[00:48:50] <KjetilK> no, it has definitly gone to meet its maker
• 106[00:48:55] <trek00> KjetilK: sorry for my english, i would know the age of this drive
• 107[00:49:09] <KjetilK> which was Toshiba, BTW; not Intel :-)
• 108[00:49:30] <KjetilK> trek00: ah, OK, hmmm, I don't remember, but has been some years
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• 110[00:50:55] <dvs> That's one reason I'm so hesitent about using SSD: they die all of a sudden.
• 111[00:51:04] <trek00> KjetilK: at least you have saved his soul with a backup
• 112[00:51:25] <joepublic> there is no period of time where you say "oh, darn, that sounds like the click of death; I better back up essentials and replace the device"
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• 114[00:51:59] <trek00> joepublic: it seems raid is even more useful with ssd
• 115[00:52:26] <KjetilK> mmmm
• 116[00:52:37] <dvs> joepublic, true but there's usually some indication that something is wrong like an usual sound or errors in the console.
• 117[00:52:39] <KjetilK> actually, it is the first that I have had fail on me
• 118[00:53:02] <KjetilK> not that I have had that many
• 119[00:53:07] <joepublic> errors in /var/log/kern.log are usually what I see, yeah
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• 125[00:57:30] <CrystalMath> why is the tor arm package empty??
• 126[00:58:06] <tarzeau> CrystalMath: it's not? replaced-url
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• 128[00:58:12] <tarzeau> CrystalMath: they all show up with 3-5 mb
• 129[00:58:19] <CrystalMath> tor-arm
• 130[00:58:23] <CrystalMath> sorry :P
• 131[00:58:30] <tarzeau> it's just a transitional-package
• 132[00:58:35] <CrystalMath> oh
• 133[00:58:41] <CrystalMath> to what?
• 134[00:58:44] <CrystalMath> ah, nyx
• 135[00:58:46] <CrystalMath> new name
• 136[00:58:56] <tarzeau> yep
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• 139[01:00:19] <clturfu> :)
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• 141[01:00:21] <clturfu> hello
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• 172[01:12:07] <bonux> Help me install dwm from source please.
• 173[01:13:02] <rant> bonux: why?
• 174[01:13:14] <rant> ,v dwm
• 175[01:13:15] <judd> Package: dwm on amd64 -- jessie: 6.0-7; stretch: 6.1-3; bullseye: 6.1-5; buster: 6.1-5; sid: 6.1-5
• 176[01:14:03] <bonux> Yeah i thought the same, before i realize my config is for dwm 6.2 and can't be applied on 6.1
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• 178[01:14:15] <rant> ah.. I see
• 179[01:14:56] <bonux> And the problem is that after selecting it in login manager, it just return's me back, i settup .desktop file i make installed it just as before. But it wont launch
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• 181[01:15:20] <Rojola> hi
• 182[01:15:27] <Rojola> when is the end of life of Debian 8.7 ?
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• 184[01:16:23] <Habbie> Rojola, this might help replaced-url
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• 186[01:16:47] <Rojola> thank you Habbie
• 187[01:16:57] <rant> bonux: have you tried running it manually?
• 188[01:17:42] <bonux> yeah, i even deleted gdm3 and tried to startx
• 189[01:17:57] <rant> bonux: so what happens when you try start it manually?
• 190[01:17:57] <trek00> bonux: to recompile it you need at first to install build-dependencies, then unpack the source and run the commands from the README: usually ./configure && make
• 191[01:18:12] <rant> trek00: sounds like they already did all that
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• 193[01:18:32] <rant> and they're trying to build from upstream, not recompile
• 194[01:18:47] <trek00> rant: thanks
• 195[01:18:49] <rant> upstream is 6.2 released this year, we have 6.1 releast in 2015
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• 198[01:21:27] <bonux> trek00: I already have all dependencies, dwm doesn't come with ./configure script
• 199[01:21:59] <trek00> bonux: may be the hardcoded paths are wrong? debian rules calls make PREFIX=/usr
• 200[01:21:59] <jasabelle> do you have to generate it?
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• 205[01:23:19] <trek00> bonux: you can try a thing that I usually do but it does not right always: copy the debian directory (from the debian source package) to the source directory of the new version and then use dpkg-buildpackage
• 206[01:23:21] <jasabelle> is there a Makefile already?
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• 208[01:23:40] <bonux> jaseballe: yes
• 209[01:23:55] <trek00> jasabelle: it there already -> replaced-url
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• 227[01:33:34] <bonux> trek00: it aborts due to undexpected upstream changes.
• 228[01:34:09] <KjetilK> does buster support installing directly to a btrfs raid1?
• 229[01:34:34] <trek00> bonux: try to delete the debian/patches directory
• 230[01:34:45] <rant> KjetilK: technically, yes
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• 232[01:35:30] <KjetilK> rant, so I don't have to go through first installing on a single, and then add the other disk?
• 233[01:36:03] <rant> KjetilK: no, it supports both raid and btrfs.. and if you have a raid it shouldn't see two disks
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• 235[01:36:50] <bonux> trek00: Okay it compiled what's next?
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• 237[01:37:02] <KjetilK> rant: yeah, but does it set up the raid1 for me in the installer?
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• 239[01:37:44] <rant> KjetilK: you /can/ configure raid in the installer, sure.. but a real raid wouldnt be configurable that way, it would present to the OS as a single disk
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• 241[01:38:17] <rant> the installers partitioner does raid, lvm, encryption, all that
• 242[01:38:28] <KjetilK> rant: yeah, but I'm not talking about an mdadm-managed raid, but a btrfs raid, which isn't really the same thing
• 243[01:38:30] <trek00> has btrfs an internal raid1?
• 244[01:38:54] <rant> KjetilK: ah..
• 245[01:38:56] <KjetilK> trek00: yeah, kinda, it just has multiple copies of blocks
• 246[01:39:06] <trek00> bonux: you should have a new dwm*.deb in the parent directory
• 247[01:39:22] <KjetilK> so, one used to have to do this: replaced-url
• 248[01:39:50] <KjetilK> not much of a detour, but if the installer could do it, it'd be great :-)
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• 250[01:40:00] <bonux> trek00: Thank you i will try it out.
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• 252[01:40:19] <trek00> KjetilK: what about an ext4 root and then you will manually configure btrfs for the other partitions?
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• 257[01:41:57] <KjetilK> I had a chat with the people on #btrfs about that, and by doing that, one cannot exploit the snapshotting feature
• 258[01:42:22] <trek00> KjetilK: according to replaced-url
• 259[01:42:23] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 260[01:42:44] <rant> trek00: note the dates
• 261[01:42:46] <KjetilK> with the SSD setup I had, I would have sacrificed that, but now that the whole thing will be on my new disks, I might as well have root on it
• 262[01:43:01] <KjetilK> right!
• 263[01:43:04] <rant> KjetilK: I am looking into it in a VM.. I only tried installing to btrfs once a year or so ago..
• 264[01:43:31] <KjetilK> Anyway, I'll go with just installing it in single mode and then upgrade
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• 276[01:48:02] <swift110> hey all
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• 280[01:50:02] <rant> KjetilK: so this is not what you're talking about.. a software raid 1 with a btrfs volume? replaced-url
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• 283[01:50:49] <maxrazer> And my mod key is working.
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• 364[02:45:03] <SerajewelKS> side note on that topic, i like the idea of btrfs but for redundancy i still don't trust it over dmraid + ext4 because the latter has more mature recovery options
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• 366[02:45:25] <SerajewelKS> hopefully that will be changing. i don't know of any reliable "my array is hosed" tools for btrfs.
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• 368[02:46:22] <bindi> zfsonlinux
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• 371[02:48:46] <SerajewelKS> i don't have any opinion on zfs yet. i'm comfortable enough with dmraid at this point though.
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• 376[02:56:06] <earend1> is it possible w/ btrfs or sth to have static part, and a dynamic one which consits of a differentiate to the static, so that in principle its possible to revert the state by detaching the dynamic one. kinda like vhd works. i was able to mount vhd as a loop readonly drive only so far.
• 377[02:56:33] <phogg> SerajewelKS: I don't like the idea of btrfs or zfs; it seems like a layering violation. If you have to break layering to achieve the result something is wrong.
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• 380[02:58:24] <earend1> or something comparable? or can i use dynamic vhd eventually? and what tooling would i need for that
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• 383[02:59:37] <trek00> SerajewelKS: dmraid is for hardware raid? if the controller dies, you need the exact chipset to access again to your disks?
• 384[03:00:16] <SerajewelKS> earend1: it's also possible to do that with LVM snapshots
• 385[03:00:33] <SerajewelKS> trek00: dmraid is the "standard" linux software raid
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• 387[03:00:39] <earend1> ah. okay. SerajewelKS thanks for the hint
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• 390[03:01:15] <SerajewelKS> earend1: i'm not sure how it works in btrfs or zfs, but with LVM (since it has no knowledge of the filesystem) you need free space in the volume group
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• 392[03:02:03] <earend1> a volume group u say. is the snapshot a full backup?
• 393[03:02:16] <SerajewelKS> earend1: and you allocate a certain amount of space in the snapshot. the original volume becomes copy-on-write (a write to the source volume that doesn't exist in the snapshot causes that extent to be copied into the snapshot first).
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• 395[03:02:38] <earend1> ah great
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• 397[03:02:43] <SerajewelKS> earend1: a snapshot is a point-in-time copy-on-write copy of the source volume
• 398[03:03:16] <earend1> that sounds exactly like what i need. can i configure that with the debian install tool?
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• 400[03:03:19] <SerajewelKS> earend1: if a copy is needed and the snapshot doesn't have any free extents, however, the snapshot fails and all requests to that device cause I/O errors
• 401[03:03:24] <SerajewelKS> earend1: yes
• 402[03:03:33] <trek00> SerajewelKS: md is the software raid (double checked now) dmraid seems to works with chipset
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• 406[03:04:19] <SerajewelKS> trek00: i've seen dmraid used to describe both at different points in time
• 407[03:04:37] <SerajewelKS> i guess i should call it mdadm raid
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• 410[03:05:23] <SerajewelKS> earend1: so LVM snapshots are generally expected to be short-lived
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• 413[03:05:54] <earend1> wait. no. you say it writes always to snapshot and source?
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• 416[03:06:07] <SerajewelKS> earend1: we use them to take backups of production databases that require exclusive locks to safely dump. if we take the backup against the production database server, the web application is inaccessible while the backup is running.
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• 418[03:06:33] <SerajewelKS> earend1: so we create an LVM snapshot, mount it, launch a second database server process against the snapshot volume, dump from that, then toss the snapshot
• 419[03:06:46] <SerajewelKS> earend1: the result is we can take a consistent dump from the production system without locks
• 420[03:06:55] <SerajewelKS> earend1: it can write to both depending on what's going on
• 421[03:07:19] <SerajewelKS> earend1: if you write to an extent in the source and the snapshot has not allocated that extent yet, then the source extent is copied to the snapshot, then the source extent is overwritten with the new data.
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• 423[03:07:29] <earend1> i basically want to revert all data to safe point. you seem to describe a cluster ther or sth
• 424[03:07:41] <SerajewelKS> earend1: if you write to the snapshot, OR you write to the source in an extent that was already copied to the snapshot, then no copy is needed
• 425[03:07:56] <GigaFlow> finally
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• 427[03:08:09] <SerajewelKS> earend1: another way to think about it is that any time that you would "destroy" old data on the original volume, it is just-in-time copied to the snapshot
• 428[03:08:29] <earend1> ok. than i dont need a snapshot.
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• 430[03:08:33] <SerajewelKS> earend1: if this operation is attempted when the snapshot has no free extents then the snapshot becomes invalid
• 431[03:08:41] <earend1> then*
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• 433[03:09:05] <SerajewelKS> earend1: you can indeed revert using this mechanism however. you can "merge" a snapshot back into the origin volume, which returns the origin to the state it was in when the snapshot was taken. however, you can do this if the origin is mounted, obviously.
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• 435[03:09:19] <SerajewelKS> can't do this
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• 437[03:09:36] <earend1> wait wait wait. ..
• 438[03:09:41] * SerajewelKS waits
• 439[03:10:13] <earend1> merge a snapshot back into the origin volume to get the origin?!
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• 441[03:10:22] <earend1> is that some xor trick or sth?
• 442[03:10:42] <SerajewelKS> earend1: you make a snapshot. then you alter the origin. the original extents are copied in the snapshot to preserve the point-in-time snapshot.
• 443[03:10:46] <tds> SerajewelKS: hmm, could you not just take the backup from a read only slave, and avoid the snapshot dance?
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• 445[03:11:06] <earend1> origin = origin ... origin + difference = actual state ..that would make sense.
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• 447[03:11:07] <SerajewelKS> tds: pff you think we're running replication?
• 448[03:11:10] <phogg> if you're replicating, yes
• 449[03:11:31] <SerajewelKS> earend1: think of this this way: the snapshot is a layer on top of the origin
• 450[03:11:45] <earend1> so = difference
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• 452[03:11:53] <tds> I mean, a slave sounds like a much simpler solution than the snapshots to me :)
• 453[03:11:55] <SerajewelKS> earend1: changes to the origin will first cause the origin extent to copy up to the snapshot so when you lay the snapshot on top of the origin, you get the origin _at the time of the snapshot_
• 454[03:12:08] <earend1> aaah
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• 456[03:12:12] <earend1> now i get you.
• 457[03:12:31] <earend1> so it's like what i described with the ability to change the origin.
• 458[03:12:33] <earend1> okay.
• 459[03:12:35] <earend1> but...
• 460[03:12:37] <SerajewelKS> earend1: merging the snapshot into the origin is just copying the changed extents that the snapshot has been recorded back to the origin, which restores it to the state at the time of the snapshot
• 461[03:12:46] <SerajewelKS> earend1: you can change both the origin and the snapshot :)
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• 463[03:13:02] <SerajewelKS> tds: it also requires more money :)
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• 466[03:13:13] <earend1> i want the origin in all cases to be bulletproof. would you recommend sth else in that case?
• 467[03:13:31] <SerajewelKS> that depends on your goal
• 468[03:13:38] <earend1> it shall be writeprotected ..unless u use a hammer or a magnet
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• 470[03:13:50] <earend1> i just described it.
• 471[03:14:03] <tds> SerajewelKS: I think I'm just used to dealing with rather smaller databases where just setting up replication and backups there is easier and cheaper in terms of time than the snapshots + second database daemon stuff :)
• 472[03:14:11] <SerajewelKS> snapshots aren't a backup solution if that's what you're asking, but they _can_ help create _consistent_ backups
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• 474[03:14:14] <tds> (plus we tend to do replication anyway, so meh, it makes sense :)
• 475[03:14:18] <earend1> thats fine.
• 476[03:14:31] <SerajewelKS> tds: sure, if you have replication then it makes sense
• 477[03:14:33] <earend1> so what would u use"
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• 479[03:14:43] <earend1> ah
• 480[03:14:49] <earend1> pardon.. other thread.
• 481[03:14:59] <SerajewelKS> tds: it depends if it's cheaper to write a script or acquire a second server. in our case i wrote the script in a few hours which is easily 1-2 months of server rent.
• 482[03:15:46] <earend1> thx for the help bru
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• 484[03:16:04] <SerajewelKS> earend1: snapshots are good for short-lived copies: (1) you want to take a filesystem-view backup but need it to be atomic (you can't tar up a mysql datadir while it's running, for example) -- the snapshot gives you the atomic view
• 485[03:16:21] <SerajewelKS> (2) you want to experiment with, say, a debian upgrade, but want the ability to roll it back if things go sideways
• 486[03:16:52] <earend1> i once read somewhere brfs or so can do reverts.. but then all manuals were too much.. nothing digestable in short
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• 488[03:17:02] <SerajewelKS> (in that case you should also take a full backup, but a snapshot is faster to restore)
• 489[03:17:06] <earend1> kk thx.
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• 491[03:17:26] <tds> having fancy integration between your bootloader and filesystem can be really handy in the second case, eg if you want to be able to just select a snapshot and have it boot back off that
• 492[03:17:28] <SerajewelKS> earend1: btrfs can do that too. it's a bit more flexible in that you don't have to allocate a specific amount of storage to the snapshot.
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• 494[03:17:51] <SerajewelKS> earend1: in btrfs a snapshot is just an alternate tree, but the trees can share nodes
• 495[03:17:53] <tds> zfs has boot environment stuff for that, though I think grub is still lacking support :(
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• 497[03:18:27] <SerajewelKS> earend1: LVM works the way it does because it's just a block device layer. it doesn't care about filesystems, so it has to assume that the entire disk surface matters.
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• 499[03:19:09] <earend1> speaking of grub and other loaders.. why is it so hard to code a little tool in which u can browse the fs and launch an iso..an img.. a vhd ..a partition or whatever.
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• 501[03:19:24] <earend1> i thought a turing machine can do that in principle/
• 502[03:19:35] <earend1> fuck uefi useless crap.
• 503[03:19:38] <earend1> ;>
• 504[03:19:51] <SerajewelKS> a turing machine can do anything. the trick is someone has to write the program.
• 505[03:19:59] <earend1> yep.
• 506[03:20:05] <earend1> sounds like call.
• 507[03:20:07] <earend1> a
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• 510[03:20:20] <earend1> the world is waiting earend1
• 511[03:20:37] <earend1> time to make computing sexy again.
• 512[03:20:45] <trek00> :)
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• 516[03:21:47] <SerajewelKS> the thing you have to remember about LVM snapshots is that they fail if their COW pool fills up and another COW is triggered. so you have to monitor the COW pool free space. or just make sure you don't keep them around longer than necessary.
• 517[03:21:52] <trek00> earend1: with the grub command line you can do this and even more, but there is no gui for that
• 518[03:21:53] <SerajewelKS> a snapshot failing will NOT affect the origin volume
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• 521[03:24:06] <jmcnaught> I used to use LVM snapshots for libvirt VMs. I would make a snapshot off of a master volume, use virt-sysprep from libguestfs-tools to change /etc/hostname etc in the snapshot, and have virt-install create the libvirt domain and start it
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• 530[03:27:08] <wh0ami> how would i know if /dev/sda1 is readonly
• 531[03:27:37] <wh0ami> i tried to remount it earlier as rw but im not sure if i put it back correctly
• 532[03:27:45] <karlpinc> wh0ami: findmnt /dev/sda1
• 533[03:27:58] <annadane> i was going to suggest mount | grep sda :P
• 534[03:28:03] <annadane> TIL findmnt
• 535[03:28:05] <karlpinc> wh0ami: Look for the "rw" in the OPTIONS column
• 536[03:28:16] <wh0ami> i was using a live cd
• 537[03:28:49] <wh0ami> i think i only did: "mount -o remount"
• 538[03:29:04] <wh0ami> it didnt give me an output so i thought i did it right
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• 540[03:29:27] <wh0ami> mount -o remount /dev/sda1
• 541[03:29:34] <karlpinc> wh0ami: It succeeded. Whether you asked it to do the right things is another question.
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• 543[03:30:05] <karlpinc> wh0ami: I don't know offhand whether the current mount options are preserved or remount resets to the defaults.
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• 545[03:30:22] <wh0ami> ill give it a check ill be back
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• 551[03:31:29] <karlpinc> wh0ami: Thing about remount is that it mounts _over_ what's already mounted. So unmounting will revert to the old mount options (unless you mounted it somewhere else). At least that's my understanding.
• 552[03:31:57] <trek00> mount -o remount does nothing
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• 556[03:32:54] <trek00> karlpinc: remount does not mount over again the same mount point, it simply change the mount options for an already mounted fs
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• 558[03:33:14] <karlpinc> trek00: Nothing, or remounts on top of what's there with the same mount options? (Nothing would make sense, but....)
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• 561[03:33:41] <karlpinc> trek00: Am I thinking of a bind mount?
• 562[03:33:47] <wh0ami> lol it says: / /dev/sda1 rw,noatime
• 563[03:33:50] <trek00> mount -o remount does nothing, you should specify the options you want change, like mount -o remount,rw
• 564[03:33:59] <wh0ami> i messed it up huh
• 565[03:34:18] <wh0ami> trek, i want it back read-only
• 566[03:34:34] <karlpinc> wh0ami: -o remount,ro
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• 570[03:35:25] <wh0ami> whats the risk of having it rw for like a day?
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• 572[03:35:39] <trek00> karlpinc: bind mount will duplicate a directory tree to another directory, but if you mount something to mnt and then mount someotherthing to mnt, in this case you are mounting over what's already mounted and when you umount the first time, you'll return to the first mount
• 573[03:35:42] <wh0ami> my net is pretty hardened
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• 581[03:39:44] <trek00> wh0ami: it depends by what you need to avoid, but usually mounting read-only will prevents only a small fraction of security threats
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• 588[03:41:28] <wh0ami> i did "mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1" because i locked myself out and i just want it reversed if possible
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• 592[03:42:15] <wh0ami> does that give / rw including subfolders?
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• 594[03:42:34] <wh0ami> i tried reading its man but im new to this stuff
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• 600[03:43:39] <trek00> wh0ami: mounting read-only a partition, you cant write anything, mounting read-write you can write everywhere, but file permissions are always checked
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• 604[03:44:19] <karlpinc> wh0ami: The whole filesystem is what's mounted. If you want finer control you use chmod (or chown) or put users in groups or use ACLs or...
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• 606[03:44:42] <trek00> wh0ami: if you mount read-only all the system, you will don't get logs and many things will not properly run
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• 609[03:44:54] <wh0ami> trek, why did someone give me an advice to rw the whole /
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• 611[03:44:59] <karlpinc> And you will have less security.
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• 613[03:45:12] <karlpinc> wh0ami: Becuase you're getting advice from random strangers?
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• 616[03:45:31] <karlpinc> wh0ami: The question is, what other filesystems are mounted?
• 617[03:45:31] <wh0ami> i asked it here
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• 620[03:45:46] <karlpinc> wh0ami: Maybe you have multiple partitions?
• 621[03:45:57] <trek00> wh0ami: if you were locked out, may be it needs to write something before you get allowed to login and if it is read-only it can't write
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• 624[03:46:27] <wh0ami> i was using a live cd
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• 626[03:46:46] <trek00> livecd mounted read-write?
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• 699[04:17:43] <ksk> "cgfsng" cgroup controller, really..
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• 705[04:20:38] <ksk> !ops TransGression
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• 727[04:25:49] <ksk> yes, I do. It does work without me trying to share the device (And lxc-checkconfig is very green-ish)
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• 729[04:26:44] <trek00> ksk: do you have cgroup fs or cgroup2?
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• 739[04:29:57] <ksk> eh, both? not sure...
• 740[04:30:13] <ksk> lxc-checkconfig output is here: replaced-url
• 741[04:30:21] <trek00> ksk: quick check: it exist /sys/fs/cgroup/devices?
• 742[04:30:36] <trek00> ksk: yes it exist
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• 744[04:30:41] <ksk> yes, it exists.
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• 752[04:36:19] <trek00> ksk: may be this can help you? replaced-url
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• 757[04:38:20] <ksk> I did check that beforehand, it seems not^
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• 761[04:38:49] <ksk> I am running an unpriviledged container in contrast to the guy in the issue
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• 764[04:39:43] <pennTeller> Hi guys, I installed a minimal debian on a laptop. How would one go about turning such system into a "full" desktop distro?
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• 771[04:41:31] <ksk> ah, I think I am getting it a little bit now. many thanks for your time trek00!
• 772[04:41:41] <trek00> ksk: the fourth comment is not so nice replaced-url
• 773[04:41:47] <ksk> pennTeller: "apt install $desktop-of-choice"
• 774[04:42:16] <trek00> ksk: what it was?
• 775[04:42:37] <ksk> I did not fix it (yet), but I think I do understand what brauner says in the linked issue..
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• 778[04:42:52] <trek00> good :)
• 779[04:44:09] <ksk> mhhm, nevermind, I have already loaded the devices cgroup to my best knowledge..
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• 788[04:46:18] <ksk> I asked over at #lxcontainers, maybe they have an Idea
• 789[04:46:28] <ksk> not too active that channel though..
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• 791[04:46:29] <trek00> ksk: may be the other solution fit better? empty setting lxc.cgroup.devices.deny
• 792[04:46:42] <pennTeller> ksk thanks lol
• 793[04:47:14] <jmcnaught> pennTeller: you can run tasksel as root to get the same menu for desktop environments that is used in the installer
• 794[04:47:53] <trek00> ksk: in fact you need to access devices, but lxc reset cgroup device to prevents exactly this
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• 858[05:24:01] <kreyren> how do i update alternatives for init?
• 859[05:24:15] <kreyren> expecting /sbin/init which is not present and i'm not sure if making symlink is good idea
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• 865[05:26:10] <trek00> kreyren: there is no update-alternatives for init, you should just install the init you like more
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• 867[05:26:35] <kreyren> trek00: did that already, but it doesn't make /sbin/init and boot fails due to that
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• 869[05:27:17] <trek00> kreyren: what init you installed?
• 870[05:27:22] <kreyren> Openrc
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• 875[05:27:52] <kreyren> + devuan sources for dependencies to work around instability issue
• 876[05:28:03] <kreyren> with sanitized pinning
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• 881[05:29:23] <trek00> kreyren: i don't know openrc, but it seems to me odd to manually make a symlink, anyway openrc suggest installing sysvint-core, may be it is the intended way to start it on debian?
• 882[05:29:42] <kreyren> checking
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• 887[05:31:24] <trek00> kreyren: anyway with sysvinit i haven't made anything of special to make it running
• 888[05:31:48] <kreyren> sysvinit is missing on my system that's probably it
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• 891[05:32:22] <kreyren> yep it made /sbin/init Thanks!!
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• 893[05:32:39] * kreyren rebooting
• 894[05:32:40] <trek00> kreyren: hope this will start openrc
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• 952[06:01:15] <ryouma> replaced-url
• 953[06:01:28] <ryouma> why is my kernel /more advanced/ than the latest available?
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• 956[06:02:22] <ryouma> the above is apt-cache policy; apt-forktracer also pegs it
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• 978[06:13:51] <Belua> Hello
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• 1007[06:37:24] <trek00> ryouma: package name (linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64) don't get renamed even if it contains linux 4.9.144
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• 1010[06:38:08] <ryouma> trek00: thanks for your answer, but i don't understand
• 1011[06:39:12] <ryouma> you're saying package contents changed but package name did not and therefore all of the apt tools get misled and tell me the package is installed and more recent than what is available?\
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• 1020[06:44:38] <trek00> ryouma: not sorry, i was confused
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• 1024[06:46:49] <trek00> ryouma: latest available should be linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64
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• 1032[06:49:25] <wh0ami> whats the permission of unmodified /etc/shadow?
• 1033[06:49:37] <wh0ami> and /etc/passwd?
• 1034[06:49:42] <klys> 600
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• 1037[06:50:31] <wh0ami> its the same for passwd?
• 1038[06:50:41] <klys> actually 640 and 644 for passwd
• 1039[06:51:00] <klys> the owners are root:shadow
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• 1041[06:51:40] <klys> and root:root for passwd
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• 1044[06:52:23] <wh0ami> so -rw-r---- for shadow and -rw-r---- for passwd?
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• 1046[06:52:46] <klys> passwd: rw-r--r-- root:root
• 1047[06:53:03] <wh0ami> -rw-r--r-- *
• 1048[06:53:12] <klys> yes
• 1049[06:53:45] <wh0ami> how about / if you dont mind me asking?
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• 1052[06:54:36] <klys> drwxr-xr-x root:root /
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• 1058[06:56:04] <wh0ami> i performed a "mount -o remount,rw /" to edit shadow because i got locked out, thats what i was told earlier
• 1059[06:56:15] <wh0ami> but i want to reverse it
• 1060[06:56:22] <klys> were you root
• 1061[06:56:29] <klys> oh
• 1062[06:56:43] <klys> mount -o remount,ro /
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• 1064[06:57:10] <wh0ami> i disabled root and normal user passwords because i enabled keys authentication
• 1065[06:57:25] <wh0ami> is that safe to do?
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• 1067[06:57:46] <wh0ami> one guy was telling me that it might cause errors if its read only
• 1068[06:57:48] <klys> make sure to sync before rebooting. i don't know
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• 1070[06:58:06] <wh0ami> i didnt check the permission before
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• 1072[06:58:23] <trek00> ryouma: it contains linux 4.9.168, more recent than what it is installed (4.9.144)
• 1073[06:58:39] <wh0ami> what do you mean sync?
• 1074[06:58:54] <klys> /bin/sync
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• 1079[07:00:52] <wh0ami> after changing from from ro to rw or rw to ro?
• 1080[07:01:15] <trek00> klys: why to remount read only?
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• 1084[07:02:59] <klys> trek00, that finalizes changes to the partition. he may reboot without scripts.
• 1085[07:03:41] <klys> wh0ami, sync simply writes back the cache to disk.
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• 1088[07:04:06] <wh0ami> ah i see
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• 1092[07:06:33] <wh0ami> ill brb
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• 1102[07:12:35] <ryouma> trek00: i am using stretch
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• 1105[07:13:39] <ryouma> i don't understqand the apt-cache policy output
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• 1109[07:19:12] <trek00> ryouma: it's for stretch replaced-url
• 1110[07:21:41] <trek00> ryouma: apt-cache policy says: for the package named linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 you have installed version 4.9.144-3.1, which is the best candidate for that package
• 1111[07:22:22] <trek00> ryouma: 4.9.144 comes from stretch-updates, 4.9.110 from security
• 1112[07:22:52] <trek00> ryouma: but if you install package named linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64, you will get installed 4.9.168
• 1113[07:23:22] <trek00> ryouma: hope this clarified more
• 1114[07:24:58] <ryouma> a little. but why would stretch-updates update the kernel? i thought it was for time zone information or whatever? also i do not have .168. and it says 144 is not from any repo.
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• 1119[07:28:55] <trek00> ryouma: be aware of the package name change from linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 to linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64
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• 1121[07:29:56] <trek00> ryouma: stretch-updates will install the any update proposed before the next point release
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• 1126[07:31:45] <trek00> ryouma: must go now, bye!
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• 1128[07:31:53] <ryouma> thank you
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• 1130[07:32:28] <ryouma> i don't really get it but i think i found an anomaly which is that i was looking at an older package. and forktracer found that.
• 1131[07:32:37] <ryouma> which might be ther eaosn for this
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• 1243[08:47:55] <sweb> i have service wil create unix sock file, but in wrong permission. what's best practice to fix it ?
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• 1267[09:03:57] <gidna> Hello
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• 1271[09:04:47] <gidna> How can examine the processes that are load at boot time (those with the green OK) ?
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• 1288[09:12:08] <SPiRiT_> Hi friends :) Question: Is it possible to configure apt, so if I try to remove a package that is being used by another - it will not be removed? In Archlinux (for example), if I try to remove nemo, it denies my request and tells me that it is needed for cinnamon. I like this behaviour rather than causing the entire DE to be removed accidently.
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• 1297[09:16:35] <darkmeson> gidna: examine in what way? systemd-analyze maybe?
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• 1300[09:17:12] <darkmeson> SPiRiT_: I'm not sure about an exact approximation of that, but pinning important packages tends to have about the same overall effect
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• 1302[09:18:32] <gidna> darkmeson, I want to read the messages.. it is too fast to be read
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• 1304[09:19:23] <darkmeson> I think it's journalctl -xb if you want to do it the systemd way. Otherwise, it typically ends up in /var/log/boot.log or similar
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• 1306[09:19:46] <SPiRiT_> darkmeson: Thanks but I am looking for something global, so it will not be allowed at all. It's TOO dangerous and I really like how pacman (archlinux) behaves. :/
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• 1311[09:20:49] <darkmeson> SPiRiT_: you'll probably have to go digging in manpages like 'man 5 apt.conf' then
• 1312[09:21:20] <darkmeson> there are also apt and dpkg extensions in the repos afair, but you'd likewise have to dig them up for yourself
• 1313[09:21:31] <SPiRiT_> I will try better ;)
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• 1317[09:23:13] <humpled> it won't remove dependencies without asking you
• 1318[09:23:58] <SPiRiT_> humpled - it is ok if it removed dependencies. I am asking about removing packages that depend on the one i am trying to remove....
• 1319[09:24:22] <humpled> usually there are alternatives
• 1320[09:24:47] <SPiRiT_> For example, If I try to remove xorg, I expect apt to tell me NO! Because it breaks gnome. This is how pacman works in archlinux. But in apt if you accidently press ENTER, it completely removes your system.
• 1321[09:25:23] <SPiRiT_> Same things happen if you try to remove calendar apps in xfce I think.
• 1322[09:25:51] <SPiRiT_> It is a huge risk if I install linux for my family because they might accidently try to remove firefox, and it will then remove the entire gnome desktop for them.
• 1323[09:26:37] <humpled> heheh
• 1324[09:26:51] <SPiRiT_> xD
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• 1326[09:27:26] <SPiRiT_> Am I the only person in the world thinking about it? I couldn't find any question like this on google :/
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• 1328[09:27:55] <annadane> i would answer you but i don't actually know the answer
• 1329[09:28:12] <annadane> it's like, if you don't want packages removed... use apt-mark hold. but i'm not sure if that's even foolproof
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• 1331[09:28:32] <humpled> with freedom comes great potential for accidents
• 1332[09:28:54] <annadane> yeah but it would help if better designed
• 1333[09:29:06] <diogenes_> SPiRiT_, make the system boot from iso and like everytime it's a live mode, and then whatever they remove or mess up, on the next reboot everything is back in place.
• 1334[09:29:07] <SPiRiT_> Yep... well, I really want to switch from archlinux to debian, but I find this little things annoying :]
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• 1336[09:29:41] <SPiRiT_> O_o
• 1337[09:29:41] <annadane> this is where slackware shines and debian falls over, but oh well. anyway, there may be an answer to your question, i just don't personally know
• 1338[09:29:55] <humpled> so you don't want to be able to remove anything
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• 1340[09:30:41] <SPiRiT_> humpled, as I said, if the package that I try to remove does not break other package - then YES, I should not be able to remove it unless I remove the other package first. It's the behaviour in archlinux and it's really safe
• 1341[09:30:48] <humpled> if i remove firefox-esr, xfce4 is not removed
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• 1343[09:31:24] <annadane> i have "answers" but they're inconsistent answers so it's better for me to keep my mouth shut
• 1344[09:31:42] <diogenes_> humpled, with gnome the things are different, try to remove evolution and it drags gnome-session behind it.
• 1345[09:31:57] <diogenes_> SPiRiT_, it's really gnome's design and not apt.
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• 1347[09:32:46] <annadane> "it depends on the metapackage" is really one big aspect of it which i'm sure is partially why people build up their systems piecemeal as opposed to let's-install-the-gigantic-pulls-in-everything-metapackage
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• 1349[09:33:21] <humpled> we have these generalised tools which are very powerful
• 1350[09:33:42] <humpled> people often think that it would be simpler for them if overall functionality was reduced
• 1351[09:33:44] <SPiRiT_> annadane, it's not because of the metapackage. It's apt behaviour.
• 1352[09:34:08] <annadane> well, it's apt behavior due to how individual metapackages dependencies are structured, but yes, both statements are correct
• 1353[09:34:39] <SPiRiT_> I thought there is an easy way to change that in apt.conf, sadly it's not :'(
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• 1360[09:36:25] <humpled> then people think their terabyte storage will work better if they remove 100 megabytes of binaries
• 1361[09:37:15] <annadane> if your package-fu is really excellent you can probably hack something together but basically, "it's a feature, not a bug"
• 1362[09:37:21] <annadane> from my understanding, anyway
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• 1365[09:37:52] <annadane> i'm someone who loves chasing down dependencies and using aptitude and blah blah so i'm biased
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• 1367[09:38:38] <humpled> surely with aptitude you could do it, as an admin
• 1368[09:39:53] <annadane> aptitude's physical behavior is different to apt/apt-get's but even then surgical precision may not work
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• 1370[09:40:18] <annadane> at least for complicated things
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• 1375[09:41:47] <annadane> it's essentially different audiences who perform package operations, people installing big metapackages with huge amounts of extraneous stuff presumably do it because they're not worried about disk space and want all that stuff (and will just ignore it, the only negative it does is take up space) and the people who install a piece at a time know what they're doing anyway
• 1376[09:42:12] <annadane> i'm not really being helpful
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• 1378[09:42:31] <humpled> :D
• 1379[09:42:46] <humpled> it's sunday morning
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• 1386[09:45:50] <gidna> Is it /var/log/boot.log
• 1387[09:45:50] <gidna> the same thing as /var/log/dmesg ?
• 1388[09:46:03] <humpled> removing orage would take the meta-packages task-xfce-desktop and xfce4, it's true
• 1389[09:46:28] <humpled> that marks all their dependencies as vulnerable to an autoremove,
• 1390[09:46:37] <annadane> some removals of metapackages can be fine because apt show foo will say "foo is a transitional package and can be removed"
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• 1392[09:47:11] <annadane> right and there's a difference between package operations that result in a list of apt autoremove stuff later (you can apt-mark hold those) vs package operations that WILL just remove everything in the same operation
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• 1398[09:47:53] <SPiRiT_> It is NOT related to the metapackage. It's about apt behaviour. Archlinux also has metapackages, but still it does not let you break the metapackages.
• 1399[09:48:28] <humpled> which others could get broken? if you removed a library i guess a tool would go
• 1400[09:48:41] <SPiRiT_> In archlinux "sudo pacman -Rs nemo" does not work. It tells me: "cinnamon: removing nemo breaks dependency 'nemo'"
• 1401[09:48:42] <humpled> but it really would be broken and who would remove a library
• 1402[09:48:45] <SPiRiT_> So i can't break my system.
• 1403[09:48:52] <humpled> it's pointless to mention that
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• 1406[09:49:35] <humpled> what does it even mean?
• 1407[09:49:52] <annadane> gidna, no, dmesg is everything
• 1408[09:50:01] <annadane> boot.log is, well, boot.log
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• 1410[09:50:24] <SPiRiT_> It means that if you try to remove "nemo" - it stops. But apt doesn't behave like that, it tells you that it's gonig to remove the entire desktop environment because it depends on the package you are trying to remove.
• 1411[09:50:30] <gidna> Where Do I find /var/log/dmesg in debian?
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• 1413[09:51:01] <humpled> it doesn't though, as we just pointed out
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• 1415[09:51:15] <annadane> gidna, it's just "dmesg"
• 1416[09:51:25] <annadane> (must be root to view it)
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• 1419[09:52:43] <annadane> i did search for "how to view the fast scrolly messages" and i just found freedesktop.org saying "use systemctl, idiot"
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• 1422[09:53:11] <humpled> :þ
• 1423[09:53:17] <humpled> dmesg | less
• 1424[09:53:33] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 1426[09:53:49] <annadane> dmesg uses less by default, no?
• 1427[09:54:14] <annadane> eww that article is from 2010
• 1428[09:54:17] <annadane> never mind...
• 1429[09:54:31] <annadane> i didn't realize freedesktop never updated their documentation
• 1430[09:54:50] <annadane> i'm *still* not being helpful, i should go to sleep
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• 1432[09:55:09] <humpled> i should work
• 1433[09:55:09] <SPiRiT_> annadane you're funny ;)
• 1434[09:55:12] <gidna> in the book I'm reading it says: distributions' startup scripts create a copy of the kernel ring buffer from just after the computer boots, typically in /var/log/dmesg or/var/log/boot.log.
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• 1437[09:55:52] <annadane> oh. hm. dmesg doesn't use less by default
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• 1445[10:00:15] <annadane> anyway you would think that if you remove package x and package y gets removed that it's enough to just apt-mark hold package y but it doesn't really work
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• 1447[10:00:29] <humpled> hmm xfce4 and gnome are metapackages, but cinnamon is not
• 1448[10:00:41] <annadane> mhm
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• 1450[10:01:12] <humpled> would be easy to hold the tasks, almost seems like a good idea
• 1451[10:01:18] <SPiRiT_> annadane no it's not. I can't hold all critical packages. I am looking for a more simple solution :) but it's just me that I expect things to behaviour different =)
• 1452[10:02:03] <humpled> really isn't it down to the packager
• 1453[10:02:17] <humpled> cinnamon want to say that nemo is essential
• 1454[10:02:28] <humpled> they could provide alternatives in the depends
• 1455[10:02:29] <annadane> yes because it's a combination of how apt works and also as to how packages are structured in their interrelationships with other packages
• 1456[10:02:33] <Hazza> Can anyone help me with a networking issue? I have recently changed my router and my IP Camera no longer shows up in Motioneye yet I can access it from http in a browser no problem. Nmap shows the port is open and working on the motioneye server so I am really confused.
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• 1459[10:05:19] <annadane> the word metapackage is kind of loosely thrown around, cinnamon too installs a bunch of stuff... whereas there's cinnamon-core, for instance
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• 1461[10:06:50] <humpled> apt just gives you the choice
• 1462[10:07:11] <humpled> do they want a flag that says to never remove any reverse depends?
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• 1494[10:31:28] <KjetilK> I can't set the bootable flag on the root partition I've created, and the installer doesn't give me any errors, so how can I figure out why?
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• 1498[10:33:35] <KjetilK> Hmmm, there is something around UEFI, perhaps?
• 1499[10:35:32] <KjetilK> I ignored the error at first, but couldn't install the MBR when I got to that point
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• 1502[10:37:32] <ZaZaGX> not sure if i cp right. how do i copy a .dat onto a folder?
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• 1504[10:39:00] <ZaZaGX> cp: failed to access '/etc/Wireless/RT2870STA/RT2870STA.dat': Not a directory
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• 1507[10:43:49] <OerHeks> copy to /etc/Wireless/RT2870STA/
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• 1509[10:46:37] <ZaZaGX> nevermind
• 1510[10:46:43] <ZaZaGX> i mixed up O as 0
• 1511[10:46:48] <ZaZaGX> stupid me
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• 1525[11:06:35] <reinstall> hello fellow debian users
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• 1527[11:06:57] <reinstall> is it possible to reinstall debian without rebooting my machine?
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• 1530[11:07:14] <reinstall> I am running debian on a headless machine
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• 1533[11:07:49] <reinstall> and don't want to go through the hassle of making my machine headed
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• 1541[11:10:18] <reinstall> replaced-url
• 1542[11:10:25] <reinstall> this is what I was looking for
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• 1557[11:20:47] <half-beard> I've got a new buster installation. Sound is not working
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• 1560[11:21:20] <half-beard> I've not installed anything relating to sound, just deboostrapped buster and then installed kde-plasma-desktop
• 1561[11:21:33] <half-beard> I see I have pulseaudio installed, and not also.
• 1562[11:21:36] <half-beard> alsa.
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• 1565[11:22:17] <half-beard> I've selected my onboard motherboard's analog output and disabled the HDMI audio output. The earphones click when I hit play, but there is no sound.
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• 1570[11:25:23] <ratrace> half-beard: try running 'pulseadio --start' as your user
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• 1572[11:26:31] <ratrace> also, i don't know what's available on kde for the PA widget, but on i3-wm i use pavucontrol to make sure proper devices are selected and volumes are where i want them
• 1573[11:26:32] <half-beard> ratrace, N: [pulseaudio] main.c: User-configured server at {b9b7c7061799472eb8a6493e92ef1e8e}unix:/run/user/1000/pulse/native, which appears to be local. Probing deeper.
• 1574[11:27:23] <half-beard> ratrace, okay, installing it.
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• 1580[11:28:18] <half-beard> sweet, changed default to headphones, now it works
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• 1583[11:29:09] <half-beard> it works, it works! replaced-url
• 1584[11:29:53] <ratrace> it's aliiiiive!
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• 1654[12:11:43] <Ede|Popede> and it did happen again... wth is wrong with package upgrading? i kept libreoffice back because i knew what would happen and now that i did it, you guess it.
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• 1656[12:12:03] <Ede|Popede> lost ALL irc connections, system not responsive for the whole prepare&unpack phase
• 1657[12:12:35] <Ede|Popede> does it pull them from gentoo secretly or what is going on there?
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• 1659[12:13:55] <humpled> weird
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• 1661[12:15:21] <Ede|Popede> and htop was showing near to no load, this one came later with the "Setting up" lines
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• 1746[13:17:10] <dob1> hi, it is this echo "fs.inotify.max_user_watches=204800" | sudo tee -a /etc/sysctl.conf the right way to increase inotify limit ?
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• 1751[13:19:58] <ayekat> dob1: there is /etc/sysctl.d/ - it's cleaner to put custom things in separate files under that directory
• 1752[13:21:18] <dob1> ayekat, I have just to create a file inside it and write "fs.inotify.max_user_watches=204800" into it?
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• 1755[13:22:07] <ayekat> dob1: yes - I don't know about the exact sysctl option you need to set for increasing the inotify limit, though - but I assume it's correct
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• 1759[13:22:59] <Rovanion> "Task fsck.ext4:391 blocked for more than 120 seconds." is hardly a good thing is it?
• 1760[13:25:30] <dob1> ayekat, I read them in a tutotiral
• 1761[13:25:34] <dob1> *tutorial
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• 1873[15:04:40] <Sanqui> hiya. I'm upgrading a jessie to stretch box, unfortunately it seems to have incurred some mess in its python. replaced-url
• 1874[15:05:32] <Sanqui> I can't tell what python dpkg is trying to use here since this exception doesn't happen in python2.7, python3.4, python3.5, or python3.7, all of which are installed on the server.
• 1875[15:05:41] <Sanqui> would probably be best to force dpkg to use one of these for this installation and get over with it
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• 1880[15:08:45] <emOne> guys my debian box has dissapeared of the internet
• 1881[15:08:49] <emOne> I can't ping google.com
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• 1883[15:08:52] <emOne> and I can
• 1884[15:08:58] <emOne> and I can't ssh into it
• 1885[15:09:12] <emOne> is there a way to first get it online and find out what happened?
• 1886[15:09:20] <emOne> why it suddenly dissapeared?
• 1887[15:09:22] <dob1> where is it?
• 1888[15:09:28] <emOne> in a data centre
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• 1890[15:09:38] <dob1> you have to call there
• 1891[15:09:52] <dob1> if it's not online what you can do?
• 1892[15:09:55] <emOne> I have. They attached a keyboard video and mouse device
• 1893[15:09:57] <dob1> of if there is a control panel
• 1894[15:10:02] <emOne> I have. They attached a keyboard video and mouse device
• 1895[15:10:14] <emOne> so now I have access through a KVM(Keyboard Video Mouse)
• 1896[15:10:24] <dob1> ah ok
• 1897[15:10:35] <emOne> as if I am physically at the machine
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• 1901[15:10:52] <dob1> check the ip
• 1902[15:11:05] <emOne> ifconfig?
• 1903[15:11:10] <dob1> ip a
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• 1905[15:11:33] <dob1> you installed it or it's something just ready?
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• 1908[15:12:33] <emOne> have a look at the IP
• 1909[15:12:45] <emOne> dob1: I installed it ... it worked fine
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• 1911[15:13:02] <emOne> and sometime today it just stopped being connected to the internet I guess
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• 1913[15:13:25] <dob1> emOne, it's a virtual machine or a real one?
• 1914[15:13:31] <CyberaX> hello, it is possible to create a partition but with Luks1 and not version 2 please?
• 1915[15:13:31] <emOne> real
• 1916[15:13:42] <dvs> Sanqui, My guess is that it needs the libpython3.5-minimal package
• 1917[15:13:44] <dob1> emOne, so, some hardware problem? it is connected to the switch?
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• 1920[15:14:43] <emOne> I have no idea what the problem is
• 1921[15:14:47] <jasabelle> emOne… is the ssh server running?
• 1922[15:14:56] <jasabelle> ss -ln4t
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• 1924[15:15:02] <emOne> it isn't even pinging google.com
• 1925[15:15:09] <Sanqui> dvs: unfortunately it's always borked at installing python3.5-minimal: replaced-url
• 1926[15:15:13] <emOne> I tried restarting the ssh server.. It didn't help
• 1927[15:15:15] <jasabelle> routing table?
• 1928[15:15:18] <jasabelle> ip route?
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• 1930[15:15:23] <emOne> whats that?
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• 1933[15:15:53] <jasabelle> it's how the kernel decides to use which network interface for which ip addresses (kinda)
• 1934[15:16:16] <jasabelle> run "ip route", what do you get as output?
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• 1936[15:16:47] <dob1> emOne, imho it's better that if you ask the tech support to verify if there is any hardware problem and if it is connected
• 1937[15:17:19] <jasabelle> should also check for... firewall, dns, routing
• 1938[15:17:23] <emOne> it isn't a hardware issue
• 1939[15:17:39] <emOne> I have a ubuntu vm running inside the debian box
• 1940[15:17:45] <emOne> ubuntu connects to the internet
• 1941[15:18:00] <dob1> emOne, check ip, gateway, firewall rules
• 1942[15:18:13] <dvs> Sanqui, you still have jessie on your system.
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• 1945[15:18:50] <Sanqui> dvs: yeah this happened while upgrading to stretch. (jessie was fully updated with no problem)
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• 1948[15:20:34] <Sanqui> is it a good idea to try python3* and dependencies?
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• 1950[15:20:57] <Sanqui> replaced-url
• 1951[15:21:39] <dvs> Sanqui, have you tried 'apt-get -f install' yet?
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• 1953[15:22:40] <Sanqui> dvs: yes, see the previous paste (replaced-url
• 1954[15:23:01] <Sanqui> (sorry no highlighting)
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• 1959[15:24:28] <dvs> Sanqui, it looks like the python3 package depends on the old python3-minimal package so I'd try installing the python3 package.
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• 1961[15:25:31] <Sanqui> dvs: cannot do replaced-url
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• 1965[15:28:22] <themill> Sanqui: what's the output of "apt-cache policy python3 python3.5 python3.5-minimal python3-dev; apt-cache policy"?
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• 1969[15:28:54] <Sanqui> themill: replaced-url
• 1970[15:29:48] <themill> hmm nothing jumps out of that
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• 1974[15:32:32] <Sanqui> i'm a little afraid to try the python3* purge lol
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• 1976[15:32:52] <themill> Try installing python3.5-minimal and python3-minimal with dpkg -i first
• 1977[15:33:51] <Sanqui> themill: already have (replaced-url
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• 1979[15:34:12] <Sanqui> the problem appears to be dpkg using a broken python while installing this package
• 1980[15:34:18] <Sanqui> not sure how to figure out which, or how to force it to use a different one
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• 1982[15:34:37] <themill> you mentioned a python 3.7 earlier -- that shouldn
• 1983[15:34:37] <Sanqui> (whose idea was it to use python to install python anyway)
• 1984[15:34:43] <themill> 't be there at all
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• 1986[15:34:53] <Sanqui> yeah, somebody installed it from source >_>
• 1987[15:34:54] <dvs> Sanqui, you didn't try libpython3.5 with deb though
• 1988[15:35:21] <jasabelle> if it was installed from source, it wouldnt show up in apt, i smell backports or something liek that
• 1989[15:35:22] <themill> yeah, add some more of the *python3.5* packages to dpkg -i and try it a couple of times
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• 1991[15:35:41] <Habbie> Sanqui, python is run during the install of python to compile python things - you can't really do that from another language
• 1992[15:35:56] <dvs> jasabelle, I bet that's what it will boil down to too.
• 1993[15:36:12] <themill> (this is a vaguely familiar problem but I don't recall the solution right now)
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• 1996[15:37:14] <Sanqui> I could install a bunch of (lib)python3.5(-minimal) packages but python3.5-minimal still fails on the same ImportError
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• 1999[15:37:34] <alkisg> Sanqui: from the net: "Debian Bug report logs - #852163: python3.5-minimal wont configure demonstrates that this error (for Python 3.5 and Python 3.6) is due to another incompatible installation of Python in /usr/local."
• 2000[15:37:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2001[15:37:42] <alkisg> See IF it relates, dunno
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• 2003[15:38:09] <Sanqui> oh, I couldn't find this bug with google, thanks
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• 2006[15:39:42] <jasabelle> hvae you tried aptitude why or apt-cache rdepends to try and figure out why packages are being kept?
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• 2009[15:40:31] <themill> Sanqui: do you have a /usr/local/bin/python3* or /usr/local/lib/python3
• 2010[15:40:45] <Sanqui> alkisg: cheers, i nuked a bunch of python3 files in those directories and that solved it
• 2011[15:40:45] <Sanqui> replaced-url
• 2012[15:40:52] <alkisg> great
• 2013[15:41:12] <themill> Yeah, *never* put things in /usr/local that are also in packages
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• 2015[15:41:46] <themill> (Basically what I said in #52163 a couple of years ago, it seems!)
• 2016[15:41:53] <themill> 852163
• 2017[15:42:09] <Sanqui> yeah, I know that, but then again I've also seen those "install python 3.7 on debain" tutorials that just happily tell you to make install
• 2018[15:42:44] <jasabelle> :/
• 2019[15:42:53] <Sanqui> thanks y'all
• 2020[15:42:58] <dvs> jasabelle, there it is
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• 2023[15:44:25] <Sanqui> I seem to have a stable and up-to-date jessie box now so I'll go ahead and install upgrade to stretch now
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• 2026[15:45:19] <Sanqui> sorry, meant to say stretch to buster lol. 9 to 10
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• 2028[15:45:33] <Sanqui> (i am not much of a debian person ^^;)
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• 2046[15:55:03] <jim> Sanqui, you should make sure before altering your sources.list... is jessie already in the archives, or is it still on the main mirrors?
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• 2048[15:55:49] <Sanqui> jim: well, dunno and I'm already dist-upgrading buster, but thanks
• 2049[15:56:15] <jim> from jessie?
• 2050[15:56:23] <Sanqui> I went jessie -> stretch -> buster
• 2051[15:56:38] <jim> so you're running stretch now/
• 2052[15:56:39] <jim> ?
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• 2054[15:56:50] <dvs> without reading the release notes?
• 2055[15:57:17] <Sanqui> I believe I'm already running buster now
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• 2057[15:57:38] <n_1-c_k> Part way through an upgrade to buster, firehol fails to configure: replaced-url
• 2058[15:57:38] <jim> did the buster upgrade complete?
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• 2060[15:58:17] <Sanqui> jim: not yet
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• 2062[15:58:29] <Sanqui> dvs: well ...
• 2063[15:58:40] <jim> so you're still running stretch I would imagine
• 2064[15:58:55] <Sanqui> upgrade completed but dist-upgrade not yet
• 2065[15:58:57] <Sanqui> so what am I running?
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• 2067[15:59:07] <dvs> stretch, until you reboot
• 2068[15:59:10] <Sanqui> okay
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• 2070[15:59:59] <Sanqui> then I am running buster now :)
• 2071[16:00:20] <dvs> Sanqui, luckily, there's no special upgrade instructions for the last two releases
• 2072[16:00:28] <jim> it's in transition... presently you have some buster packages, but probably some packages left that are still stretch
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• 2074[16:01:14] <jim> but those will be taken care of in the dist-upgrade
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• 2078[16:03:26] <jim> so once the dist-upgrade completes, all your packages willl be buster, but you might have old libs hanging around your ram
• 2079[16:03:41] <Sanqui> yeah naturally I rebooted
• 2080[16:03:55] <dvs> apt autoremove?
• 2081[16:04:02] <jim> the dist-upgrade completed?
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• 2083[16:04:06] <Sanqui> dvs: good point
• 2084[16:04:07] <Sanqui> jim: yes
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• 2087[16:04:48] <jim> looks like you're well on your way
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• 2090[16:05:47] <Sanqui> only problem was something brought in apache2 which i had to remove again
• 2091[16:06:00] <Sanqui> and my virtualenvs are broken but that's understandable after the whole python mess
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• 2246[17:22:08] <grobi> hello debians !:)
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• 2248[17:22:47] <ksk> hello grobi
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• 2257[17:24:20] <grobi> i try to install buster on my t420 and was asked to provide 'iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode' and/or 'iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode' on a removable media (usb-stick)
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• 2262[17:25:54] <grobi> so i loaded both files on a usb stick, but when it comes to that point again it seems like the files have not been found... , what can i do?
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• 2264[17:26:31] <grobi> the stick is fresh formatted eith fat32 partitition
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• 2267[17:27:37] <grobi> i got theses files from here: replaced-url
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• 2269[17:28:40] <jasabelle> did you follow this? replaced-url
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• 2272[17:28:56] <jasabelle> the firmare is in the firmware-iwlwifi package btw
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• 2274[17:29:31] <jasabelle> so you could install it post-install
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• 2280[17:30:27] <grobi> jasabelle: thanks i'll look at that.. the thing is without the firmware i don't have internet at all
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• 2282[17:30:48] <grobi> so postinstall could be difficult
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• 2284[17:30:58] <jasabelle> there is an unofficial install disk which comes with firmware pakcages
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• 2286[17:31:34] <grobi> something here?
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• 2289[17:31:40] <grobi> replaced-url
• 2290[17:31:52] <jasabelle> good luck!
• 2291[17:32:03] <grobi> :)
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• 2323[17:44:48] <Catarsi> So apparently I can't play some youtube videos on Debian using the browser Vivaldi, while they work with Firefox. Is it a codecs problem or is it specific of Vivaldi?
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• 2325[17:46:16] <srukle> Does YouTube give you a specific reason why videos aren't working?
• 2326[17:46:51] <Catarsi> No. just a generic error. I don't remember exactly what it said.
• 2327[17:47:21] <rant> so you got a browser not provided by debian, giving an error you don't have, by a site that has nothing to do with debian.. and you want us to do WHAT exactly?
• 2328[17:47:23] <srukle> If it were a codecs issue, it normally says.
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• 2331[17:47:47] <srukle> nice, rant ;^)
• 2332[17:48:04] <Catarsi> Well it's the first time I see this happening and it's not the first time for me using that browser in debian.
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• 2335[17:48:54] <Catarsi> I don't want help about vivaldi here,I'd rather just wish to know whether it's inherently about vivaldi or also about debian.
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• 2338[17:49:04] <srukle> I noted there are VPN capabilities. I do know that browsers with "privacy" focus tend to do interesting things with how it routes data. Perhaps this is causing you the issue? Otherwise check if you have Javascript enabled.
• 2339[17:49:18] <rant> sounds like you need to run down what you changed recently, whats different between whatever other systems you've used it on.. etc
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• 2342[17:49:50] <srukle> Yes, etc.
• 2343[17:50:15] <Catarsi> The system was installed the same day I encountered the error. I also have ublock origin (but I've never seen it meddling with youtube videos playback) and most videos play.
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• 2349[17:51:40] <srukle> Debian distributes Linux compatible software. Debian doesn't directly impact how YouTube works. :) I would look into your browser settings and see if you can catch an enabled add-on or proxy impacting YouTube.
• 2350[17:52:07] <Catarsi> Ok, it doesn't have to do with debian then, is all I needed to know.
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• 2352[17:52:27] <srukle> Yeah, I would say no to Debian causing the issue.
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• 2354[17:52:59] <Catarsi> Thank you, I'll see if I can find anything interfering with youtube inside the browser.
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• 2356[17:53:29] <srukle> You could try using a different browser like Firefox-esr to see if the behavior changes, turning off add-ons, etc.
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• 2386[18:07:31] <AlpacaFace> Morning, peoples. Speaking of youtube, the youtube-dl package does not seem to work properly. throwing up a bunch of errors and asking to make a bug report. Ive seen this issue on Debian derivatives, but just thought Id mention it :)
• 2387[18:07:47] <srukle> Debian 10?
• 2388[18:08:03] <AlpacaFace> yes
• 2389[18:08:06] <dvs> Debian X!
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• 2391[18:08:58] <annadane> AlpacaFace, yeah, don't use youtube-dl from the package manager, that's one package you don't want to be out of date
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• 2393[18:09:11] <annadane> i have it installed via pip and have a cron to update it every week
• 2394[18:09:25] <Catarsi> When you install youtube-dl from apt it installs the 2017 version.
• 2395[18:09:26] <annadane> sites change, and break youtube-dl
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• 2397[18:10:14] <annadane> sometimes specifically *to* break youtube-dl
• 2398[18:10:29] <Catarsi> And via pip it doesn't work for me either, even if everytime I have installed it it has always worked. If installed by pip it just says that there is no /usr/bin/youtube-dl when I use the command.
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• 2400[18:11:07] <annadane> i have it installed to /usr/local
• 2401[18:11:08] <AlpacaFace> annadane: ah, understood. thanks much. ive been using the github variety
• 2402[18:11:18] <srukle> According to the change log, it appears there are issues outstanding. Speaking of such, there remains an open outstanding bug about a python2 dep.
• 2403[18:11:25] <annadane> AlpacaFace, then i'd either update youtube-dl or ask on github
• 2404[18:11:35] <srukle> Yes.. that's a GitHub issue.
• 2405[18:11:36] <annadane> i'd assumed if you're asking #debian, that you're using the debian package
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• 2407[18:12:18] <srukle> Catarsi, there's an outstanding bug for a python2 dep. That might be related.
• 2408[18:12:20] <AlpacaFace> the github one works. i just tried the debian version to see if it would work, and it didnt :)
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• 2411[18:12:39] <annadane> ah. stupid english and its ambiguity!
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• 2413[18:13:02] <annadane> my cron job: /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/pip install --upgrade youtube-dl && cp /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/youtube-dl /usr/local/bin
• 2414[18:13:36] <srukle> Ah, haha. That's one way to do it. :)
• 2415[18:13:52] <srukle> Is pip python2 on Debian 10?
• 2416[18:14:02] <dvs> (or make a symlink...)
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• 2418[18:14:19] <annadane> it depends how you install it
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• 2420[18:14:28] <annadane> i used the python3-venv package so, for me, no
• 2421[18:14:38] <srukle> Interesting, someone should update that bug.
• 2422[18:14:39] <annadane> people should really stop using python 2 when they can, anyway
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• 2426[18:15:33] <annadane> srukle, well, "someone" can only know about it, if it's reported :-)
• 2427[18:16:12] <srukle> annadane, I made my first contribution yesterday, so I'm just learning. :)
• 2428[18:16:19] <annadane> :)
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• 2434[18:18:05] <annadane> when is python 4 so it can piss everyone off like perl 6 :P
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• 2553[19:22:38] <Gm4n> what's the correct course of action if apt is stuck 'Setting up' a package? should I `kill` the apt task? ^c doesn't work
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• 2562[19:25:40] <alkisg> Gm4n: ps faux => pastebin => see which apt child blocks => kill it
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• 2565[19:28:03] <Gm4n> thanks alkisg, looks like it's systemd-tty-ask-password-agent? replaced-url
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• 2572[19:29:57] <alkisg> Gm4n: possibly; if you don't see any password prompts, try to kill that
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• 2578[19:31:11] <bonux> Many programs that i install from source cd on debian goes to /usr/local/bin, but the shell expects them in /usr/bin, how can i combat that?
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• 2580[19:31:38] <humpled> what
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• 2582[19:31:48] <immu> hi oldie of debian
• 2583[19:31:56] <humpled> hi :)
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• 2586[19:32:08] <immu> humpled, nice to see you :)
• 2587[19:32:28] <humpled> i'm late tho
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• 2589[19:32:40] <humpled> ask bonux what their $PATH is
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• 2591[19:33:23] <immu> !path
• 2592[19:33:23] <dpkg> PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. replaced-url
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• 2599[19:36:53] <immu> hi humpled i believe when ever i shut down i think my pc enters into hibernation, how can i set to full shutdown?
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• 2602[19:38:41] <rant> immu: if you're basing that on the resuming hibernation message, that happens to everyone
• 2603[19:39:04] <rant> why it now does that, I dont know exactly.. but it says that even on a cold boot with no hibernation file
• 2604[19:39:14] <immu> umm
• 2605[19:39:30] <rant> either way a hibernation is a full shutdown from a hardware standpoint
• 2606[19:39:37] <immu> ok
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• 2608[19:39:48] <immu> but i also see some error messages
• 2609[19:39:55] <rant> it merely saves the ram to the swap on a fixed disk
• 2610[19:40:01] <immu> how can i show those boot messages to you?
• 2611[19:40:50] <rant> immu: you could try find them in journalctl.. idk.. ever since systemd and removal of the script that puts the kmsg buffer into /var/log/dmesg I havent found a good solution for this
• 2612[19:41:36] <Gm4n> and next question, trying to reboot. After "Stopped unattended upgrades shutdown", I'm stuck on "A stop job is running for Docker Ap..ainer Engine". Is there anything I can do?
• 2613[19:41:41] <rant> immu: if the errors are prior to the resume, right after grub and say something (guessing from memory) A.2 [blah blah] thats also normal now it would seem
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• 2617[19:41:50] * rant reboots to see them
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• 2620[19:43:00] <immu> those very first boot messages
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• 2624[19:43:50] <immu> rant, humpled networking.service loaded failed failed Raise network interfaces
• 2625[19:43:59] <immu> i get to see this
• 2626[19:45:56] <immu> systemctl is-failed networking.service failed
• 2627[19:45:59] <rant> that, I'm not sure about.. could be due to networkd being disabled by default.. my system boots way too fast to see much
• 2628[19:46:07] <rant> immu: does the internet work?
• 2629[19:46:19] <immu> yes
• 2630[19:46:28] <immu> thats how i am taking to you :)
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• 2633[19:48:15] <rant> then I wouldnt worry about it
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• 2635[19:48:24] <immu> ok
• 2636[19:48:48] <rant> immu: replaced-url
• 2637[19:49:00] <rant> I see that stuff every time I boot
• 2638[19:49:04] <rant> and I ignore it :P
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• 2643[19:49:50] <rant> ACPI errors and "resuming from hibernation" when I can't possibly be resuming from hibernation
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• 2647[19:50:05] <rant> I don't have enough swap to hibernate
• 2648[19:50:17] <rant> I only have 4GB swap and I have 8GB ram
• 2649[19:50:29] <immu> ok
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• 2651[19:50:38] <immu> how long have your being using debain
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• 2653[19:50:52] <rant> since 2.2r6 "Potato" roughly 2003ish
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• 2655[19:51:24] <immu> oooo
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• 2657[19:51:51] <lineageosfan> I am not a Linux geek, but a enthusiast user. I have a spare old PC that I want to use as a download slave (torrents, etc.) but not have it connected to a monitor, keyboard, mouse - only ethernet. Is it possible to connect to that server in my LAN with a graphical user interface?
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• 2661[19:52:37] <alkisg> lineageosfan: sure; xrdp, vnc, x2go all can give you remote desktop; and transmission-gtk even has a web-ui that you can access via any browser
• 2662[19:52:45] <rant> immu: had some bad experience with Win2k pro, and it was the straw that broke the camel's back as they say.. spent a year or so trying different linux distros, found debian.org read the Why Debian? and Social Contract and I was sold.. been using it exclusively ever since
• 2663[19:53:27] <immu> where you tempted by the dark side of Ubuntu :)
• 2664[19:53:33] <immu> wheren't
• 2665[19:53:54] <rant> immu: not even a little bit, by time ubuntu came along there were already dozens of derivitives and I'd been on Debian a long time
• 2666[19:54:04] <immu> sudo systemctl start networking.service
• 2667[19:54:04] <immu> [sudo] password for immu:
• 2668[19:54:04] <immu> Job for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code.
• 2669[19:54:04] <immu> See "systemctl status networking.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
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• 2672[19:54:32] <lineageosfan> alkisg: Please forgive my ignorance, but does that mean that I do a normal Debain install with Desktop environment and then the torrent software. Which of the solutions you mentioned are open source?
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• 2676[19:55:04] <lineageosfan> alkisg: Which setup would you recommend?
• 2677[19:55:10] <alkisg> lineageosfan: all of them are open source; the 3 first methods require "desktop debian", the web-ui of torrent only gives you a torrent manager, and can be done with "server" debian too
• 2678[19:55:21] <alkisg> lineageosfan: how much RAM does that thing have? Which cpu?
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• 2681[19:55:59] <rant> immu: all that does is ifup -a so check /etc/network/interfaces and any files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ for any issues
• 2682[19:56:27] <rant> immu: and check what it suggests journalctl -xe for a more specific error
• 2683[19:56:30] <lineageosfan> alkisg: Which method is best in your opinion, easiest to set up?
• 2684[19:56:42] <alkisg> lineageosfan: answer my question first, read above :)
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• 2687[19:57:03] <lineageosfan> alkisg: 16 GB
• 2688[19:57:06] <rant> immu: fwiw my networking.service is running active without issues.. but its a oneshot service.. its not a daemon or anything and if the internet works, you dont have any real issue other than the annoying messages
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• 2691[19:57:11] <alkisg> lineageosfan: 16 GB is the old pc? :D
• 2692[19:57:16] <immu> rant replaced-url
• 2693[19:57:16] <alkisg> Haha, ok, put a normal debian on it
• 2694[19:57:38] <lineageosfan> alkisg: yes, and i3 I got for free from my employer's old office
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• 2696[19:57:52] <joepublic> that's a pretty beefy "old pc in the corner"
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• 2698[19:57:55] <lineageosfan> alkisg: and then what?
• 2699[19:58:25] <alkisg> lineageosfan: then google for any of those 3 words, xrdp, x2go, or vnc, and install them
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• 2702[19:58:41] <lineageosfan> alkisg: Which of those three do you recommend?
• 2703[19:58:42] <alkisg> or even "epoptes" with "epoptes-client", if your "main pc" is also linux
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• 2705[19:58:48] <alkisg> Is your main pc linux too?
• 2706[19:59:00] <lineageosfan> Yes, main PC is also Linux. I only use Linux.
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• 2708[19:59:07] <alkisg> OK, then I suggest epoptes.org
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• 2710[19:59:14] <lineageosfan> Thx. I will check it out.
• 2711[19:59:17] <alkisg> np
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• 2716[20:00:08] <lineageosfan> alkisg: Great I am just checking out the homepage. It looks like the program is already in the repositories?
• 2717[20:00:10] <immu> rant, did the paste file provide you with guidance?
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• 2719[20:00:20] <alkisg> lineageosfan: yes
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• 2721[20:00:28] <lineageosfan> alkisg: :-)
• 2722[20:00:37] <alkisg> lineageosfan: you'll install epoptes-client to the i3, and epoptes (the server) to your main pc
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• 2724[20:00:46] <lineageosfan> And then what do I need on the client?
• 2725[20:00:48] <alkisg> So you'll be able to wake it on lan, take control, etc etc
• 2726[20:01:03] <alkisg> lineageosfan: see epoptes.org, it has nice documentation
• 2727[20:01:04] <rant> immu: a bit, paste the /etc/network/interfaces I am willing to bet you have eth0 set to auto and dhcp.. also check "ip a" make sure you even have an interface called eth0
• 2728[20:01:07] <lineageosfan> alkisg Heh?
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• 2730[20:01:44] <lineageosfan> alkisg: You mean the download slave (i3) will get the client? That is weird.
• 2731[20:01:51] <rant> immu: mine is called enp0s25 not eth0 so.. if I had eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces I'd probably have the same problem
• 2732[20:02:13] <rant> immu: the issue seems to be the oneshot service is trying to dhcp on eth0 and its failing
• 2733[20:02:21] <alkisg> lineageosfan: yup, epoptes-client(s) are slaves to "epoptes" servers
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• 2735[20:03:16] <immu> rant replaced-url
• 2736[20:03:46] <lineageosfan> alkisg: OK, thx
• 2737[20:03:53] <alkisg> np
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• 2739[20:04:41] <rant> immu: Aug 04 21:52:03 DESKTOP-KGCKQUF kernel: [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp10s0 indicates you are using "predictable interface names" and eth0 is not a predictable interface.. so its prob configured in /etc/network/interfaces and it doesnt actually exist
• 2740[20:05:07] <rant> immu: removing/commenting out that interface should resolve the issue
• 2741[20:05:07] <immu> so that means my eth0 won't work if puggled in?
• 2742[20:05:15] <rant> immu: you don't have an eth0
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• 2744[20:05:19] <rant> is my guess
• 2745[20:05:23] <rant> immu: check ip a
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• 2749[20:05:56] <rant> immu: if you wish, you can disable predictable interface naming
• 2750[20:06:08] <immu> replaced-url
• 2751[20:06:10] <rant> immu: which would also likely resolve the issue
• 2752[20:06:39] <rant> immu: yes, that is the problem your ethernet is called enp8s0 not eth0
• 2753[20:07:10] <rant> immu: as I said befor you probably have /etc/network/interfaces saying auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
• 2754[20:08:02] <rant> immu: and the systemd service is attempting to do that, bring up eth0 via dhcp and eth0 doesnt exist.. so remove that, rename it to the right interface, or disable predictable interface names.. your choice any of the three will resolve it
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• 2758[20:08:45] <rant> immu: well actually renaming it wont, if its set to auto and dhcp cause it'll still fail unless its connected and can activate via dhcp
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• 2761[20:09:30] <immu> replaced-url
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• 2763[20:09:53] <rant> immu: are there files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ?
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• 2765[20:10:14] <immu> rant yes a setup file
• 2766[20:10:43] <immu> replaced-url
• 2767[20:10:47] <immu> output
• 2768[20:10:58] <rant> immu: delete that file
• 2769[20:11:04] <rant> problem solved
• 2770[20:11:08] <immu> okie
• 2771[20:11:23] <immu> so if and when i plug my etho will it work right?
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• 2774[20:11:45] <rant> immu: are you using a desktop environment, possibly with network-manager?
• 2775[20:12:21] <lineageosfan> alkisg: This would not work with an encrypted download slave, would it?
• 2776[20:12:25] <rant> immu: systemctl status network-manager
• 2777[20:12:33] <rant> immu: if network-manager is running, it'd take care of that
• 2778[20:12:44] <alkisg> lineageosfan: encrypted, as in "disk encryption"? it makes no difference at all
• 2779[20:12:45] <lineageosfan> I would need a monitor, keyboard, mouse to do the pre-boot authorization, right?
• 2780[20:13:02] <alkisg> lineageosfan: ah, if it needs user input on boot, yeah
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• 2782[20:13:18] <lineageosfan> alkisg: I mean entering a password to decrypt the entire system, so it even boots.
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• 2784[20:13:36] <immu> replaced-url
• 2785[20:13:42] <immu> network-manager
• 2786[20:13:45] <rant> lineageosfan: yes, that is correct, you will be prompted to enter the disk password at boot
• 2787[20:13:52] <alkisg> lineageosfan: yes you can't easily have remote desktop so early in the boot process; but later on you can, e.g. for unlocking an encrypted home
• 2788[20:14:22] <rant> lineageosfan: replaced-url
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• 2790[20:14:59] <lineageosfan> Yes, all of my systems are fully encrypted.
• 2791[20:15:09] <rant> it is however possible to use other methods.. but its not real easy to setup
• 2792[20:15:12] <tds> if you're encrypting your rootfs but not your boot partition, a common solution is to run a small ssh daemon (dropbear typically) from your initramfs, then ssh in to enter the passphrase
• 2793[20:15:13] <lineageosfan> But in this case it means I can not do it remotely.
• 2794[20:15:34] <lineageosfan> I can not decrypt it remotely as the ras software will not be loaded.
• 2795[20:15:42] <lineageosfan> at that time
• 2796[20:16:07] <lineageosfan> tds: that is too high level for me.
• 2797[20:16:12] <rant> heh
• 2798[20:16:30] <rant> yeah, modifying the initramfs is usually a bit involved for the average user
• 2799[20:16:31] <lineageosfan> I am not a Linux System Engineer, just a user.
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• 2802[20:16:51] <lineageosfan> hmm
• 2803[20:16:53] <tds> another common solution would just be using some out of band access (ipmi, serial console, whatever) to enter the passphrase remotely :)
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• 2805[20:17:16] <rant> sadly more advanced encryption methods are not doable from the installer.. like setting up a removable key or remote decryption
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• 2807[20:17:26] <rant> that requires some doing.. and know-how
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• 2809[20:18:07] <immu> rant how can i delete that file you asked me to as i need root permission ?
• 2810[20:18:07] <rant> I wanted to use removable key encryption but couldnt be arsed to fuss with it
• 2811[20:18:26] <rant> immu: sudo rm /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup
• 2812[20:18:41] <immu> thats one way :)
• 2813[20:18:45] <rant> indeed
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• 2815[20:19:33] <immu> done
• 2816[20:19:39] <immu> how was that file generated
• 2817[20:19:51] <rant> immu: with that file removed, you could probably just restart the service and get rid of the errors
• 2818[20:19:54] <immu> while installing debian
• 2819[20:19:55] <srukle> Oh wow, dropbear looks like it's pretty simple to implement. Thank you for the recommendation!
• 2820[20:20:19] <rant> immu: who knows.. either the installer did it or it was leftover from a previous release ..
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• 2822[20:20:34] <rant> srukle: :D I never thought of it either, but then I never really saw the need
• 2823[20:20:47] <immu> i had used the text based installer :)
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• 2825[20:21:14] <rant> my idea was to, for my laptop create a removable key on say a microsd card or such.. and use that to decrypt the rootfs
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• 2828[20:21:24] <srukle> rant, I have so many use cases for this, but I never bothered to look into the missing piece. That was it. Awesome. :D
• 2829[20:21:26] <rant> but its a bit of a pita and I never got around to doing it
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• 2831[20:22:24] <rant> you'd have to create a card with some bits of random data on it, enter that as a key on the container, create a buncha scripts in initramfs to look for it.. etc..
• 2832[20:22:33] <rant> too much like work :P
• 2833[20:22:39] <srukle> I have enterprise equipment that I'd like to automate. They all have encrypted drives for CIS, so when I reboot, it would be nice to have the option to SSH instead of troubleshooting with USBs.
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• 2835[20:22:57] <rant> I may when I get a real server do something like that.. idk..
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• 2837[20:23:19] <srukle> As soon as you go headless, you're going to want to.
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• 2841[20:23:28] <rant> replaced-url
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• 2843[20:23:54] <rant> the rube cooling is due to two cheap HGST 3TB drives I got for like $30/ea that get really hot :P
• 2844[20:24:28] <rant> its just an old emachines Athlon X2 system.. rather crappy
• 2845[20:24:38] <srukle> Haha, classic, rant.
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• 2847[20:26:12] <srukle> I'm on an Athlon x2 system right now!
• 2848[20:26:15] <rant> I got the 80mm cpu fan runnig full blast blowing on the controller boards (mounted the drives cascaded upside down to expose both boards.) and a 120MM PSU fan running full blast exhausting.. keeps the drives at about 31C
• 2849[20:26:34] <rant> which is a good temp.. but ridiculous thats what's required to keep it there
• 2850[20:27:02] <srukle> Maybe it's time to invest into some newer equipment.
• 2851[20:27:27] <immu> rant i will reboot and see if that error pops up again
• 2852[20:27:56] <rant> I'm not big on investing money into stuff.. I got that box with 6TB storage, a decked out Lenovo Thinkpad T440 with custom 1080p screen, 3button touchpad, 120GB ssd, and a Samsung Galaxy S7 and I got less than $100 in all of it
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• 2855[20:28:19] <srukle> Nice haul.
• 2856[20:28:39] <srukle> T440 has libreboot on it?
• 2857[20:28:53] <rant> na, it reboots fine without a lib :D
• 2858[20:29:13] <srukle> I want to put libreboot on something, just afraid to flash any of my equipment.
• 2859[20:29:18] <rant> I'm not real keen on flashing a chip for no good reason
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• 2862[20:30:18] <rant> all the custom stuff, the 3button touchpad and retrofitted 1080p screen (wasnt an option on this model) were fitted by the college kid I traded a couple boxes of old broken T61&T500 machines and one good T42p, for this machine
• 2863[20:30:40] <rant> he's apparently a big thinkpad fan and wants to collect one of each model and deck em out to the max with SSDs and crap
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• 2865[20:30:57] <rant> felt like I was rippin him off, but he was tickled pink by the T42p
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• 2867[20:31:12] <srukle> Cool, good for him. I'm sure he knows what he's doing.
• 2868[20:32:13] <rant> technically all said and done I didnt lose any money cause I sold my X240 for the $100 I'd put into all this
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• 2870[20:32:22] <immu> back
• 2871[20:32:26] <immu> rant error gone
• 2872[20:32:33] <rant> yeah, I figured as much
• 2873[20:33:09] <rant> years of working in the business has taught me that if you're a service tech, you never have to pay for hardware :P
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• 2875[20:33:21] <rant> there is always a better way
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• 2879[20:33:59] <rant> one mans trash, is another mans treasure as they say..
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• 2884[20:36:33] <rant> I can highly recommend these HGST drives though if you want storage on the cheap.. they may be loud and hot, but you can't beat the price.. they're sellin 3TB disks for under $50.. I had $10 off each one so.. I jumped on it
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• 2886[20:36:52] <rant> I've had em almost a year and they are working flawlessly without issues
• 2887[20:37:26] <rant> replaced-url
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• 2890[20:39:06] <oiaohm> rant: HGST drivers without suitable cooling do fry their controllers.
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• 2892[20:39:37] <oiaohm> rant: lot of them are designed for rack cases with decent drive airflow.
• 2893[20:39:56] <immu> hello rant i have other hardisk related message
• 2894[20:39:58] <rant> yeah I had originally been using an HP T520 Thin Client with a 2bay USB SATA Dock.. they were getting too hot, so I had to do some replaced-url
• 2895[20:40:33] <rant> now they are staying at a nice cool 31C and seem happier
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• 2897[20:42:18] <rant> erm, well that was the wrong link.. heh replaced-url
• 2898[20:43:38] <srukle> Heh, 3000GB
• 2899[20:43:42] <A47> "now they are staying at a nice cool 31C and seem happier" - Good one!
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• 2903[20:47:20] <rant> srukle: yeah one of them came whitelabel as shown, the other still had the original HGST label.. I bought em in Feb and they are working great.. I was previously juggling data on a ton of thumbdrives and SD cards.. was getting annoying.. so.. having ample storage on the cheap was my goal
• 2904[20:47:43] <xcm> I thought, that counter-intuitively, HDDs didn't like temperatures that low
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• 2906[20:48:12] <joepublic> 31 isn't a remarkably low temperature
• 2907[20:48:40] <rant> its a good safe temp.. compared to the 50-60C they were running at before
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• 2911[20:49:17] <rant> from what I've been told, these disks tend to slow down data rate and such when they get hot..
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• 2916[20:52:26] <rant> I'm working with a laptop with 120GB SSD, and a 1TB external, a mobile with 32GB and 128GB SDcard so now having 6TB on a server I can keep plenty of wiggle room in my go-bag, so I dont have to stress about storage anymore.. :D
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• 2972[21:21:09] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
• 2973[21:21:12] <luna> hi
• 2974[21:21:55] <rocketmagnet> i've the problem that my X11 is not starting but not because of an error, i get no errors i can start it manualy and it works, how can i make X11 start automaticaly at startup ??
• 2975[21:22:11] <tarzeau> !dm
• 2976[21:22:11] <dpkg> DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <lightdm>, <gdm3>, <xdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: replaced-url
• 2977[21:22:49] <rocketmagnet> i've used systemctl in some way that makes x11 not start anymore
• 2978[21:23:29] <rocketmagnet> how to reverse that ?
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• 2983[21:29:19] <tarzeau> how did you use systemctl ?
• 2984[21:29:26] <tarzeau> the command, might still be in history ?
• 2985[21:29:36] <srukle> Hard to say. What does your bash history look like? :P
• 2986[21:30:36] <srukle> Otherwise it should be obviously to type "enable" for whatever you disabled to get systemd to turn off xstart.
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• 2992[21:36:32] <oblivion> Hi again
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• 2997[21:36:56] <oblivion> Any VPN experts here willing to share some of their expertise?
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• 3006[21:40:13] <whislock> Go ahead and ask your question. If anyone is able to help you, they will.
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• 3011[21:43:34] <Bushmills> oblivion: try: "any computer experts here who will tell me what I want to know?" - that widens the selection
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• 3018[21:49:17] <oblivion> Well I'm trying to figure out the best way to optimize an OpenVPN server for long range connections. I read TCP is a bad idea in general. Maybe anyone else has good ideas they want to share
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• 3020[21:49:55] <oblivion> Long range as in, not wifi distance or anything. But connecting from across the world or something
• 3021[21:50:05] <whislock> OpenVPN is pretty good at handlings things itself.
• 3022[21:50:20] <whislock> And yes, don't use TCP for the outside protocol unless you absolutely have to.
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• 3028[21:52:07] <oblivion> Have any of you pushed like specific routes with the config. Like is there some website that shows you the best route to go from say Italy to somewhere in Brazil. I'm just curious
• 3029[21:53:01] <oblivion> Maybe by default traffic will flow through this country that is slow or bad/unreliable.But if you send it through there it's better. Idk
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• 3033[21:53:22] <rant> oblivion: if you had to read that, you probably arent familiar with the differences between TCP and UDP which is that TCP requires data to stay alive and open, where UDP is stateless and doesn't require acknowledgement to remain alive and open
• 3034[21:53:35] <Bushmills> correct. use udp instead, especially when tunneling tcp connections through vpn
• 3035[21:54:07] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
• 3036[21:54:39] <rocketmagnet> i try to install the digimon driver for my tablet display and get the following error code: replaced-url
• 3037[21:54:40] <rant> oblivion: for example I recently switched from ssh which is TCP, and would die if it didnt recieve data or you switched networks, to mosh, which is UDP and I can put my machine to sleep, go to a different network, anything, and as soon as it has internet connectivity again, the connection resumes where it left off
• 3038[21:55:03] <Bushmills> turning compression on helps reducing the amount of transferred data, which can result in performance gain.
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• 3040[21:55:37] <whislock> There are security implications to enabling compression, so take that into account.
• 3041[21:55:53] <rant> it doesnt matter how much time has passed, as long as the server is still listening, as soon as the client makes contact, the connection is resumed.. it can be days, weeks, whatever
• 3042[21:56:02] <oblivion> Compression, good point. I'll look in to that, thanks! *adds it to list*
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• 3045[21:57:06] <oblivion> I see your point rant. I looked at it more as TCP makes sure the data you get checks out. But of course the thing you are doing in the VPN will already do that
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• 3048[21:59:38] <rocketmagnet> where is modprobe gone in debian 10 ??
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• 3054[22:00:57] <towo`> rocketmagnet, it's there where it was allways, /usr/sbin/modprobe
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• 3057[22:01:49] <rocketmagnet> when i'm root he doesn't find modprobe
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• 3059[22:02:07] <rocketmagnet> towo`: ^
• 3060[22:02:12] <towo`> rocketmagnet, because you have used su instead of su -
• 3061[22:02:22] <oblivion> I've had some weird stuff with PATH in debian10. I've always assumed it's just me
• 3062[22:02:31] <Bushmills> in case you don't need to go through firewall for vpn traffic, client-to-client cause openvpn to route the packets, rather passing them to kernel, which may slightly speed up things too
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• 3070[22:04:32] <Bushmills> that system bin directories aren't in PATH for users is not exactly "weird"
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• 3079[22:08:16] <rocketmagnet> hi again
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• 3084[22:09:10] <rocketmagnet> i'm trying to install the digimon driver for my tablet diplay and get the error: Warnung: modules_install: missing 'System.map' file. Skipping depmod
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• 3088[22:12:08] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
• 3089[22:14:00] <Bushmills> what does file /sbin/depmod show?
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• 3092[22:14:36] <Bushmills> alternatively, type /sbin/depmod
• 3093[22:15:10] <rocketmagnet> nothing
• 3094[22:15:51] <Bushmills> dpkg -l kmod ?
• 3095[22:15:51] <dpkg> No packages found matching kmod
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• 3097[22:16:05] <rocketmagnet> symbolik link to /bin/kmod
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• 3101[22:17:00] <Bushmills> then it's probably just that /sbin is not in PATH when execution is attempted from make
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• 3104[22:19:05] <Bushmills> about System.map warning, you System.map may be called differently, with kernel version as part of its name
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• 3106[22:19:28] <rocketmagnet> Bushmills: it's in the path and i get the same error about System.map is missing
• 3107[22:20:17] <Bushmills> for a while it was common to symlink kernel specific System.map to System.map, but that doesn't seem to be the case any longer
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• 3109[22:20:34] <rocketmagnet> can this has something to do with my problem? replaced-url
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• 3111[22:21:05] <Bushmills> from your paste: "depmod -a make: depmod: Kommando nicht gefunden" - not found is a strong indication of /sbin not in PATH
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• 3115[22:21:42] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
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• 3117[22:22:04] <Bushmills> your System.map is presumably in /boot - complete name can be looked up there
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• 3119[22:22:39] <rocketmagnet> how to solve the issue ??
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• 3121[22:22:53] <Bushmills> you could try to symlink the version for the currently running kernel to System.map in there
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• 3125[22:24:28] <rocketmagnet> which System.map file symlink with with System.map file ??
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• 3130[22:26:28] <rocketmagnet> i tried ln -s /boot/System.map-xyz System.map but it still doesn't work
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• 3199[23:22:04] <HyP3r> hello, short question about the sources: does it make sence to use "stable" as source for the packages? I always used the name of the version like stretch or now buster, but when I use stable I should always get updates and don't have to do something right?
• 3200[23:22:34] <HyP3r> It would be somehow cool if I enable unattended-updates with "o=*" and never have to update the system by hand again
• 3201[23:23:14] <rant> HyP3r: thats the general idea.. but you can run into breakages that way
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• 3203[23:23:46] <HyP3r> breakages?
• 3204[23:24:13] <rant> Well for example I had been using buster for a few months prior to its release, when it released I ran into this
• 3205[23:24:19] <rant> dpkg, apt suite changed
• 3206[23:24:19] <dpkg> If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use 'testing' in your sources.list, apt-get will complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change
• 3207[23:24:43] <HyP3r> ok
• 3208[23:24:50] <rant> and when this happens the system needs to be dist-upgraded and for that to not break backports and unofficial packages need be removed
• 3209[23:24:52] <HyP3r> but when I use "stable" I won't run into this right?
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• 3214[23:25:39] <HyP3r> I'm using the "Automatic call via /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic" way: replaced-url
• 3215[23:25:41] <rant> you'd need a whole lot more than just "stable" in the sources list to set it and forget it.. and what that may be is subject to change is my point
• 3216[23:26:00] <HyP3r> ok
• 3217[23:26:48] <HyP3r> So should I set it to stable?
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• 3219[23:27:15] <rant> I personally having been through lots of dist upgrades since first starting to use debian Potato, know that there are always unexpected changes
• 3220[23:27:31] <rant> and I use the suite name.. buster.. and I read the release notes and plan my upgrades
• 3221[23:27:33] <HyP3r> yeah I also had troubles
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• 3223[23:27:57] <rant> The worst were the days when we were going to devfs, hal, udev, etc.. major framework transitions
• 3224[23:28:07] <HyP3r> I have now about 10 systems with debian, some rasperry pi's and some desktop/server systems and now ussed this sunday and saturday to upgrade them by hand
• 3225[23:28:15] <HyP3r> Every two years thats a lot of work
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• 3231[23:29:35] <petn-randall> HyP3r: dist-upgrades generally need to be prepared, so having "stable" instead of release names in the sources.list is generally a bad idea.
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• 3233[23:29:50] <rant> well there are all kinds of different things you can do to simplify things.. the most general advice is to plan ahead.. and not upgrade until you're ready..
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• 3235[23:30:08] <petn-randall> HyP3r: There's "clusterssh" for that if you want to upgrade several machines in parallel.
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• 3240[23:30:59] <rant> at one point I had a bunch of Thinkpad T61 and T500 and I ran them all off RAM, used a router with a PXE server and had images on there I'd clip them into a dock wired in to the router, and boot em up.. so all I ever had to do was make config changes or upgrades to the PXE server and clip each one into the docking station and reboot :P
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• 3242[23:31:36] <HyP3r> rant: cool :P
• 3243[23:31:37] <rant> used network shares for perm storage.. had no HDDs in them.. cut down on power draw back in the day
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• 3245[23:31:55] <HyP3r> petn-randall: I'll have to take a look at clusterssh for that
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• 3248[23:32:07] <HyP3r> Maybe I just have to live with that work
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• 3251[23:32:36] <petn-randall> You'll have a lot more work if the auto-dist-upgrade doesn't work, as you might end up having 10 unbootable machines you need to fix ...
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• 3253[23:32:48] <rant> now I got a T440 w/ SSD and two batteries.. total of 96Wh.. lasts 6-8hrs on full draw (ext monitors, usb hdds, full bright, high CPU usage..etc) and 16-20hrs on normal usage with wifi and 25% or so CPU utilization.. so.. not a big deal anymore :D
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• 3255[23:33:58] <HyP3r> rant: I have a T530 with also 96Wh they are ok
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• 3271[23:41:04] <jhutchins> HyP3r: This channel has always recommended using release names as opposed to labels like stable or testing.
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• 3273[23:41:32] <HyP3r> jhutchins: make sence to me
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• 3280[23:42:54] <jhutchins> HyP3r: For your multi-machine upgrades, you could use something like a bash loop to sequentially execute commands on a list of servers, or get a little more advanced with Ansible.
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• 3282[23:43:25] <jhutchins> HyP3r: You'll find a lot of documentation that explains the MOST complicated way to do things in Ansible, but it's possible to do things simply.
• 3283[23:44:04] <jhutchins> (I've noticed a trend toward finding the most complicated way to do things. I don't know if it's showing off or job security.
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• 3286[23:44:08] <nkuttler> i'll take clusterssh over ansible any day for an upgrade
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• 3291[23:45:25] <jhutchins> nkuttler: They're completely different approaches. For large installations, ansible is an excellent tool, and you are able to have good consistency and repeatable processes that essentially document themselves.
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• 3297[23:46:56] <nkuttler> jhutchins: if the machines were not already set up with config management having visible feedback during upgrades is much better imo
• 3298[23:47:45] <nkuttler> and you can just group hosts with the same issues in clusterssh. no need to repeat upgrades if you do them at once
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