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101 [01:14:32] <zhxk> !paste
102 [01:14:32] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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117 [01:21:45] <mrquincy> Wine is very very slow after upgrading from Stretch to Buster. I worry that my Intel GPU is not accelerating 3D graphics. Anyone else run into this?
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119 [01:22:20] <mrquincy> glxinfo says "client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI"
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123 [01:24:56] <mrquincy> aha, perhaps a question for intel-gfx
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237 [02:40:25] <doughy> is it possible to install debian with a sd card?
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250 [02:50:58] <jim> probably... sdcards tend to fail a lot faster than regular hds or ssds
251 [02:51:32] <doughy> I want to install to the harddrive using an sd card instead of a usb drive or cd/dvd
252 [02:52:03] <doughy> I might have to do it through network install. I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this
253 [02:52:11] <doughy> pxe install that is
254 [02:52:21] <jim> you mean you want to use the sd card as install media?
255 [02:52:27] <doughy> exactly
256 [02:52:44] <doughy> I've done it on a beaglebone but this is an actual laptop
257 [02:52:45] <jim> can you get a usb card reader?
258 [02:53:03] <doughy> I have 2 usb drives and neither of them are working right
259 [02:53:13] <themill> it would largely depend on whether the hardware can even boot of the sd card
260 [02:53:34] <doughy> I thought of that and looked into the bios and I don't think it's supported
261 [02:54:20] <jim> doughy, is the issue really "what can I use as installer media"?
262 [02:54:38] <doughy> well I don't have a drive on my laptop
263 [02:54:41] <doughy> usb drives aren't working
264 [02:54:51] <doughy> and there's pxe which I've never done but might be reduced to using
265 [02:55:16] <jim> will the laptop do pxe?
266 [02:55:21] <doughy> yes
267 [02:55:28] <doughy> I'm reading a page on the debian wiki now
268 [02:55:47] <jim> ok, so that's one possibility. do you have another machine to put the pxe server stuff on?
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270 [02:55:55] <doughy> yes
271 [02:56:02] <dvs> !rube goldberg install
272 [02:56:02] <dpkg> "Hi! I want to install Debian sarge with a 4.10 kernel on my microwave, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke."
273 [02:56:09] <doughy> another debian PC
274 [02:56:40] <jim> what a coincidence! I want to install debian on my bathtub!
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276 [02:57:06] <jim> it's having an affair with my microwave
277 [02:57:10] <annadane> just maybe don't install it via toaster
278 [02:57:39] <jim> seriously...
279 [02:58:03] <jim> doughy, you say your laptop does not have storage at all?
280 [02:58:12] <doughy> no, it's got a harddrive
281 [02:58:19] <jim> ok
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283 [02:58:35] <jim> what else does it have? cdrom drive?
284 [02:58:37] <doughy> I think I'm reduced to pxe install. this should be an adventure. Ive never done this before
285 [02:58:43] <doughy> just a usb port
286 [02:58:49] <doughy> and sd card reader
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288 [02:59:17] <jim> ok, so the sdcard is directly inserted into the laptop?
289 [02:59:21] <doughy> yes
290 [02:59:55] <jim> ok, and can it boot from the usb if you ended up having to do that?
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293 [03:00:24] <doughy> that's the problem. I have 3 thumb drives and none of them will allow an iso
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295 [03:00:47] <dvs> doughy, what do you mean "won't allow"
296 [03:00:47] <doughy> I've even tried 3 different programs to burn the iso on the thumb drive
297 [03:00:52] <jim> doughy, which isos did you try?
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299 [03:01:06] <doughy> I go to burn the iso on a thumb drive and it will crash
300 [03:01:32] <dvs> doughy, you're not supposed to "burn" the image, just copy it.
301 [03:01:45] <doughy> the program will give me an error. 3 of them have done that. I do have one thumb drive that I keep stuff on so maybe I'll just copy that info, use the thumbdrive and put it back on after the install
302 [03:01:54] <doughy> well, copy then.
303 [03:01:55] <jim> doughy, which isos did you try?
304 [03:01:59] <doughy> debian 10
305 [03:02:09] <dvs> doughy, with what program(s)?
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307 [03:02:11] <jim> do you have the exact filename/
308 [03:02:13] <jim> ?
309 [03:02:22] <doughy> yes
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311 [03:02:31] <doughy> the netinstall iso from debian's ftp site
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314 [03:03:02] <doughy> I guess I'll just format this last thumb drive but if it doesn't work I might go postal
315 [03:03:06] <jim> and what program did you use to write them onto the usb?
316 [03:03:17] <doughy> rufus was the one I used first. it's always worked in the past
317 [03:03:23] <dvs> doughy, you don't need to format the drive to put the image on it.
318 [03:03:48] <doughy> then then isotousb
319 [03:04:03] <doughy> it formats automatically when you run the program
320 [03:04:14] <dvs> which is the problem
321 [03:04:22] <dvs> it just needs a straight copy
322 [03:04:51] <jim> you don't want something that "formats" or changes the iso, just writes it in a similar way as dd or cat
323 [03:05:05] <doughy> you can choose dd on rufus
324 [03:05:14] <doughy> but I just do a regular copy as it's always worked before
325 [03:05:17] <jim> rufus should do that
326 [03:05:23] <doughy> it has both options
327 [03:05:27] <doughy> I"ll try dd
328 [03:05:35] <themill> unfortunately it's default mode is "break the image"
329 [03:07:20] <doughy> it's writing with dd
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331 [03:07:32] <doughy> I should have just tried that after the default way
332 [03:07:34] <dvs> doughy, what the EXACT command you used?
333 [03:07:42] <doughy> no command, it's a gui
334 [03:07:49] <doughy> check out rufus.ie
335 [03:07:57] <doughy> replaced-url
336 [03:08:01] <dvs> !rufus
337 [03:08:01] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
338 [03:08:44] <jim> so you need to set rufus to this 'dd' mode every time you start it?
339 [03:08:53] <doughy> evidently
340 [03:08:57] <themill> jim: last time I looked at it, yes
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342 [03:09:05] <doughy> I've used the regular way several months ago and never had a problem with it
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344 [03:09:41] <jim> doughy, what did you write to the usb several months ago?
345 [03:10:06] <doughy> freebsd
346 [03:10:13] <doughy> and I've used it for debian as well
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349 [03:11:32] <jim> ok, that's different. debian netinstall images will not work if you try to write them with something like unetbootin, which tries to make an image bootable... the problem there is, the image is already bootable, and you're just adding crap to it by doing that
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351 [03:12:34] <jim> do you have any reason to believe your usb sticks are bad hardware-wise?
352 [03:12:36] <doughy> I'll keep that in mind
353 [03:12:52] <doughy> no
354 [03:13:10] <jim> ok, then it's a fair chance they're still good
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358 [03:15:44] <jim> doughy, anyway, good luck... stick around, maybe you'll have questions during the install process
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360 [03:16:50] <doughy> thanks jim
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362 [03:20:35] <jim> doughy, curious, how long after booting the image before, would it crash?
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455 [04:36:08] <crestfallen> hi I upgraded last night to buster. it was working fine last night after a reboot. today I went to login and get this prompt asking for debian login. I have two users, both me. my main user is my name, but it errors "login incorrect" . how to bypass this to the normal login ? thanks
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457 [04:37:39] <crestfallen> 'Debian GNU/Linux 10 Debian tty1 ' is the readout before the prompt for ' debian login '
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459 [04:42:27] <crestfallen> so this login is one I don't know or remember..
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463 [04:45:32] <klys> crestfallen, somewhere in there you should have set a root password. do you remember that?
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465 [04:46:17] <klys> well, it should be the same as before your upgrade
466 [04:46:38] <klys> if you need to make account changes, you would do them as root.
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473 [04:50:04] <crestfallen> klys thanks well I don't know it's asking for 'Debian login' And I type my full name with a space as usual, and my root password. it returns login incorrect
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476 [04:50:42] <klys> crestfallen, login requires a username and that can't have a space in it.
477 [04:51:06] <crestfallen> thanks that's a good start..
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479 [04:52:55] <klys> crestfallen, root logins are made with the "root" username.
480 [04:53:08] <crestfallen> klys I think I signed in .. now I have a prompt john@debian:^$
481 [04:53:25] <klys> cool. can you do this: $ su -
482 [04:54:00] <crestfallen> 'su - ' without the additional $ right?
483 [04:54:04] <klys> yes
484 [04:54:20] <crestfallen> yeah its asking for another password
485 [04:54:32] <klys> that would be your root password
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488 [04:55:14] <klys> and if you can't do that, perhaps you can do $ sudo su
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490 [04:55:54] <klys> and if you can do neither of those, attention may be required.
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492 [04:56:36] <crestfallen> actually I got into root, guessing old passwords!
493 [04:56:51] <crestfallen> so my prompt is now ...
494 [04:56:56] <klys> okay, make sure you won't forget. good luck!
495 [04:57:13] <klys> also if you ever need to sign out of a shell, you can type ctrl-D
496 [04:57:34] <crestfallen> but how to get to the gnome login? sorry not sure klys
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498 [04:57:52] <klys> if you want to go to the X graphical interface, type startx
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502 [04:58:48] <crestfallen> dang. command not found. my prompt is john@debian:~#
503 [04:58:51] <crestfallen> klys,
504 [04:58:58] <klys> crestfallen, it seems you should install the package gdm3 for the gnome login.
505 [04:59:15] <crestfallen> one moment please
506 [04:59:19] <klys> startx is in the xinit package, I believe.
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508 [05:00:24] <crestfallen> installing...
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511 [05:00:45] <crestfallen> I don't understand why this didn't come with the upgrade
512 [05:01:03] <Drax1e\X> How do i check in my console how is logged in to my FTP or even better if i can do it in X?
513 [05:01:22] <klys> crestfallen, perhaps you had a conflicts situation where some packages were forcibly uninstalled. you can see in /var/log/apt/
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515 [05:01:48] <crestfallen> its loading all of this cinnamon stuff
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517 [05:02:06] <klys> crestfallen, did you have cinnamon before? gnome?
518 [05:02:35] <crestfallen> no gnome
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520 [05:02:54] <klys> kde? xfce? lxde?
521 [05:03:01] <crestfallen> Setting up gnome-shell ... presently
522 [05:03:26] <crestfallen> er, I installed debian about 6 years ago initially
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524 [05:03:42] <klys> I mean, which is your preferred desktop?
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528 [05:04:06] <crestfallen> ok klys, I'm at gnome signin . one moment please. preferred is gnome...
529 [05:04:13] <klys> okay
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532 [05:05:24] <crestfallen> klys dang everything looks different. it's a default environment I think
533 [05:05:57] <klys> crestfallen, that's interesting.
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538 [05:09:11] <crestfallen> klys, I'm in cinnamon please help me retrieve gnome
539 [05:09:39] <klys> crestfallen, I'll find a package... replaced-url
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542 [05:13:40] <klys> crestfallen, you have buster sources, right? apt-get install gnome
543 [05:14:03] <Drax1e\X> How do i check in my console how is logged in to my FTP or even better if i can do it in X?
544 [05:14:06] <klys> if your sources are not up to date, you may need to do this first: apt-get update
545 [05:14:13] <klys> replaced-url
546 [05:14:24] <klys> that's version 3.
547 [05:14:48] <Drax1e\X> i mean who is logged in.
548 [05:15:04] <crestfallen> yeah thanks klys one moment
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550 [05:16:19] <SerajewelKS> Drax1e\X: the FTP server's log file should have a record of all authentication attempts
551 [05:17:12] <crestfallen> weird klys my new system was working perfectly last night with all my old configurations.
552 [05:17:35] <crestfallen> apt-get install gnome returns errors: dependencies missing
553 [05:17:57] <klys> crestfallen, can yo udo dpkg --configure -a
554 [05:18:06] <klys> crestfallen, can you do: dpkg --configure -a
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558 [05:19:05] <Drax1e\X> SerajewelKS, where do i find the logfile?, not in root i tryed, "jed /root/.ftp+tag nothing
559 [05:19:21] <crestfallen> ok that seemed to run. no output
560 [05:19:22] <Drax1e\X> ftp+tab*
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562 [05:20:28] <klys> crestfallen, next do # apt-get -f install
563 [05:21:23] <Drax1e\X> SerajewelKS, well can you priv me please, got to go.
564 [05:21:49] <crestfallen> ok that returned large output
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566 [05:22:37] <crestfallen> same error just now installing gnome
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570 [05:23:47] <crestfallen> its saying to run autoremove
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572 [05:24:17] <klys> crestfallen, do that and we'll come back and fetch gnome afterwards.
573 [05:24:29] <crestfallen> error ends with "this may be caused by held packages" btw
574 [05:24:33] <crestfallen> ok
575 [05:25:07] <klys> if it's offering to remove packages (will be REMOVED) do that, I mean
576 [05:25:17] <crestfallen> slow processing...
577 [05:26:12] <crestfallen> yeah its removing a bunch of python 3.7 stuff
578 [05:26:35] <klys> oh you did autoremove. probably not necessary, though might as well
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580 [05:26:43] <crestfallen> ok working..
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582 [05:27:06] <klys> really what I want to see is an offer to remove packages and start over at some compromise.
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584 [05:27:20] <crestfallen> offer? how do you mean
585 [05:27:31] <klys> if we can get to that using apt or aptitude, it should arrive at such a compromise.
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587 [05:28:42] <crestfallen> ok autoremove completed
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589 [05:29:02] <klys> if you don't have an offer yet, please paste the output of apt-get -f install at replaced-url
590 [05:29:12] <crestfallen> ok
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597 [05:33:06] <crestfallen> klys, replaced-url
598 [05:33:18] <crestfallen> not much to go on
599 [05:34:05] <klys> hmm it seems we may be ready to try gnome or some dependencies thereof. have you been reading replaced-url
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601 [05:35:10] <klys> if yo uget errors by typing apt-get install gnome; then you can paste them and we'll look them over
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605 [05:36:56] <crestfallen> Error: pkgProblemResolver:: resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
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607 [05:37:09] <crestfallen> that's what I get while do apt-get install gnome
608 [05:37:09] <klys> crestfallen, let's see the rest of that
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611 [05:38:43] <crestfallen> replaced-url
612 [05:38:49] <SerajewelKS> Drax1e\X: it depends on the FTP server
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614 [05:39:11] <crestfallen> klys ^
615 [05:39:55] <klys> crestfallen, now paste the output of `apt-get install gnome libgl1 libgl1:i386'
616 [05:40:47] <klys> crestfallen, now paste the output of `apt-get install gnome libgl1 libgl1:i386 libglx0 libglx0:i386'
617 [05:40:50] <klys> sry
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621 [05:44:50] <crestfallen> replaced-url
622 [05:44:56] <crestfallen> first one ^
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625 [05:46:02] <klys> crestfallen, hold on while I generate a new command for you
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627 [05:47:31] <crestfallen> second one similar output
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630 [05:48:52] <crestfallen> the other thing is I'm doing all this from cinnamon. I guess that's fine
631 [05:49:10] <klys> yeah you can remove running packages, they stay in memory.
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641 [05:58:28] <crestfallen> standing by klys
642 [05:58:34] <klys> yes, working...
643 [05:58:45] <crestfallen> thanks kindly
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646 [06:03:12] <crestfallen> I don't understand how all my config settings worked fine after the initial reboot after the upgrade, and today I have this problem..
647 [06:03:12] <QR> hi. im curious if 'ufw allow ssh' enables firewall only port 22 tcp or any another port we replaced for 22 too? i just changed default port 22 to something else.
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651 [06:04:28] <SerajewelKS> QR: i'd expect port 22. presumably the protocol names are sourced from /etc/services
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653 [06:05:01] <SerajewelKS> QR: see "getent services ssh"
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658 [06:08:00] <klys> crestfallen: replaced-url
659 [06:08:27] <klys> cretfallen: this command will likely generate a lot more output than the last one. please paste that output.
660 [06:08:32] <klys> crestfallen: this command will likely generate a lot more output than the last one. please paste that output.
661 [06:09:16] <crestfallen> ok please wait I rebooted the machine in question
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666 [06:15:29] <crestfallen> first one replaced-url
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668 [06:17:37] <klys> crestfallen, second one?
669 [06:17:37] <QR> SerajewelKS: its output as 'ssh 22/tcp'
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673 [06:17:59] <crestfallen> replaced-url
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677 [06:21:59] <klys> crestfallen, please plaste the output of the full command specified after dpkg --purge cinnamon
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685 [06:25:37] <crestfallen> klys done earlier: replaced-url
686 [06:25:55] <klys> crestfallen, I need you to run that 19-line command
687 [06:26:56] <klys> do you know, if you specify a \ at the end of a line, it carries to the next line?
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693 [06:31:11] <crestfallen> replaced-url
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695 [06:32:28] <klys> crestfallen, please edit the command to replace -only with -ugly and -plugins- with -plugin-
696 [06:32:29] <SerajewelKS> QR: right so 22 is the port it should use
697 [06:33:45] <klys> crestfallen, -plugins-ugly should remain, though.
698 [06:35:33] <klys> crestfallen, what I mean is, rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder and gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
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701 [06:38:25] <crestfallen> there's also rhythmbox-plugins listed before rhythmbox-plugins-cdrecorder
702 [06:38:28] <crestfallen> klys
703 [06:38:33] <crestfallen> that as well?
704 [06:38:41] <klys> that is rhythmbox-plugins, correct.
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706 [06:38:50] <klys> no change needed there
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708 [06:39:23] <teddy101> hey guys, do i need a pae kernel for nxbit protection to work (using i686 kernel non-pae)
709 [06:40:40] <teddy101> dmesg says NX "(Execute Disable) protection missing in CPU!"
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712 [06:41:16] <crestfallen> klys please retype the substitutions I'm not sure I get it
713 [06:41:28] <klys> crestfallen, what I mean is, rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder and gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
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716 [06:42:09] <klys> crestfallen, when it goes through, you should have a lot of output for me
717 [06:42:10] <QR> SerajewelKS: then 'ufw allow ssh' will not cover new ssh port? since i changed ssh port 22 to something else at /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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726 [06:47:25] <crestfallen> hope this is not truncated: replaced-url
727 [06:47:29] <crestfallen> klys
728 [06:47:32] <klys> kk
729 [06:48:21] <klys> crestfallen, remove the - so it reads gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
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732 [06:53:07] <crestfallen> ok the output is different
733 [06:53:26] <klys> paste ia, all of it
734 [06:53:29] <klys> it*
735 [06:54:00] <crestfallen> working..
736 [06:55:21] <crestfallen> replaced-url
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738 [06:56:41] <klys> crestfallen, add the following to the list and try again: libgl1-mesa-dri libglx-mesa0:i386
739 [06:58:33] <crestfallen> looking good ... working ...
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743 [07:03:04] <crestfallen> I think gnome is installing klys .. thanks kindly! If I go to sign in and click on the gear, I should have gnome as an option, right?
744 [07:03:27] <klys> probably, yes
745 [07:04:03] <crestfallen> excellent thanks again for your patient help. will this command purge cinnamon as well?
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747 [07:04:12] <klys> crestfallen, last step is to make sure you don't have more issues with `apt-get -f install'
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749 [07:04:50] <crestfallen> ok working ...
750 [07:04:50] <klys> crestfallen, earlier I thought you would have to do: dpkg --purge cinnamon cinnamon-core
751 [07:05:10] <crestfallen> I see. I'll give that a try then?
752 [07:05:24] <crestfallen> unpacking...
753 [07:05:26] <klys> to purge cinnamon, perhaps. unless you want it and it works anyways.
754 [07:06:14] <crestfallen> I upgraded to install a lousy crypto wallet! essentially use this machine to learn programming haskell
755 [07:07:09] <crestfallen> probably not something I should announce. just a diversion :)
756 [07:07:11] <klys> well you must have done something good because you had deps problems and I thought it was going to take a while.
757 [07:08:08] <crestfallen> but gnome worked last night after the upgrade and a reboot. why I wonder?
758 [07:08:25] <klys> all I know is today gnome was not installed.
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762 [07:09:08] <crestfallen> wow I really appreciate it you people are amazing. I am horrible with linux. I'm learning some cool programming in haskell and some math though
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764 [07:09:44] <klys> I just want to verify this is complete with `apt-get -f install'.
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766 [07:10:22] <crestfallen> ok doing that right now gnome is completed
767 [07:11:02] <crestfallen> I think that looks good. just asking for autoremove again
768 [07:11:10] <crestfallen> send it?
769 [07:11:12] <klys> oh well all right!
770 [07:11:16] <klys> naw, it's okay
771 [07:11:24] <crestfallen> thanks klys you RULE
772 [07:11:35] <klys> thank you too, you are very patient
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774 [07:12:25] <crestfallen> I ate a lot of peanut butter during our exchange
775 [07:12:31] <klys> haha
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778 [07:15:03] <Belua> hello
779 [07:15:11] <klys> hi
780 [07:15:21] <Belua> Finally! An answer
781 [07:15:28] <Belua> I was on some dead channels
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783 [07:15:40] <klys> what's up
784 [07:15:50] <Belua> just getting used to this irc thing
785 [07:15:52] <Belua> first time
786 [07:16:44] <klys> you can find more channels with "/msg alis query" or replaced-url
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788 [07:17:09] <Belua> Thanks man
789 [07:17:13] <klys> sure
790 [07:17:17] <Belua> I'm trying to get into pentesting
791 [07:17:22] <Belua> I have a cs background
792 [07:17:30] <Belua> do you reckon IRC is the way to go?
793 [07:17:43] <klys> hmm I don't know the meaning of pentesting, really
794 [07:17:54] <Belua> hacking lol
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796 [07:18:11] <Psyndrome> Hi
797 [07:18:14] <Belua> I'm a developer but i'm intrigued by that stuff
798 [07:18:16] <Belua> hello
799 [07:19:16] <Psyndrome> I think i did something abnormal to my main SSD where the system is stored
800 [07:19:26] <klys> well there are hackers and crackers plenty in the world and if you want to hack I'd love to talk about it, perhaps not in a support channel like this, though. if you just want to crack, I hope you have a good day as well.
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802 [07:20:23] <klys> psyndrome, were you using hdparm ?
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806 [07:20:37] <Belua> I dont wanna be a blackhat, I just wanna learn for the heck of it
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815 [07:22:06] <Psyndrome> The thing is i was with other systems besides a small partition that was used for Debian
816 [07:22:50] <Psyndrome> I decided to delete the other systems to be able to use the disk only for Debian entirely
817 [07:23:04] <klys> did you resize it then?
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820 [07:23:29] <Psyndrome> I did resized it with a program called gparted
821 [07:23:32] <fl-int> ;)
822 [07:23:39] <Psyndrome> Deleted all other partitions and systems buut
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824 [07:23:53] <klys> and now it doesn't boot to debian?
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828 [07:24:28] <Psyndrome> When i reached to the point to actually resize for Debian there was light blue part called extended and dark blue for ext4
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831 [07:24:47] <Psyndrome> the only way i was able to take the space is when i resize the extended part to the maximum
832 [07:25:04] <Psyndrome> Now they are both together in a sense
833 [07:25:18] <Psyndrome> ext4+extended filled the hole disk
834 [07:25:32] <Psyndrome> the system looks to work fine after this
835 [07:25:42] <Psyndrome> I am in the system right now
836 [07:26:00] <Psyndrome> Im just not sure that was the right thing to do
837 [07:26:00] <klys> oh okay
838 [07:26:12] <klys> as long as it boots all right
839 [07:27:08] <crestfallen> test
840 [07:27:17] <klys> pong
841 [07:28:00] <crestfallen> all cozy in gnome land ..
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843 [07:30:02] <Psyndrome> I doubt in my actions because i watched a video of resizing and the person did switched off the orange part which is swap called and then he was somehow was able to extend only the ext4 part and did some small portion of the extended part
844 [07:30:30] <Psyndrome> For me ext4 and extended filled the hole disk together with swap remained as it was
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846 [07:30:52] <Psyndrome> So far the system is working but im bit worried
847 [07:31:14] <klys> psyndrome, are you booting off smaller partition towards the beginning of the disk?
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854 [07:33:05] <Psyndrome> Is there a way to send you a picture from gparted to see it?
855 [07:33:33] <klys> psyndrome, apt-get install scrot
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857 [07:34:27] <Psyndrome> but MATE has a screen capture
858 [07:34:39] <klys> okay you can use that
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860 [07:35:07] <Psyndrome> so where i can send this?
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862 [07:35:49] <klys> yes because primary partitions are not extended partitions, and vice-versa.
863 [07:35:59] <klys> oh I was scrolled back
864 [07:36:21] <klys> anyway, you can paste images at replaced-url
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868 [07:37:37] <Psyndrome> replaced-url
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870 [07:38:39] <klys> psyndrome, is the yellow part unused?
871 [07:39:30] <Psyndrome> the yellow part indicates the content and the white is free
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874 [07:40:50] <klys> I see
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877 [07:41:48] <klys> psyndrome, the only problem I can see with your setup is if you install the bootloader again and it's too far back in the disk to be reached by the boot sector.
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882 [07:45:14] <Psyndrome> I think its not visible where that thing took place but speaking of it when i boot the system theres a left over of the previous systems in the boot menu but the system does not exist anymore
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888 [07:50:38] <Psyndrome> i didnt clicked on it may be if i do it will register its missing and refresh itself
889 [07:52:09] <diogenes_> Psyndrome, what left over?
890 [07:52:40] <darkmeson> do we happen to have anything in the repos that just setuid()s, execve()s, and goes away? I guess I never really thought about it, but sudo and su sit around nickle and diming me to death with 1.3M here and there for no reason
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893 [07:53:37] <darkmeson> (never thought about it until every M started to matter on these <= 2G desktop replacement SoCs anyway)
894 [07:53:41] <Psyndrome> In the boot menu when i start the system it is showing me to chose the other systems but they dont exist anymore on the drive
895 [07:53:46] <Psyndrome> This is what i meant
896 [07:54:16] <Psyndrome> But anyway i was more worried about my resizing
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898 [07:54:46] <diogenes_> Psyndrome, pastebin cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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900 [07:55:43] <Psyndrome> you want me to put this in my terminal?
901 [07:56:01] <diogenes_> first of all, try: sudo update-grub
902 [07:56:12] <diogenes_> and notice if it lists those dead OS in the process
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904 [07:58:49] <Psyndrome> something happened but im not sure what exactly
905 [07:59:17] <diogenes_> Psyndrome, copy what you get in terminal
906 [07:59:42] <diogenes_> then go to replaced-url
907 [07:59:57] <diogenes_> paste everything you get in terminal and click send
908 [08:00:05] <diogenes_> then share the link.
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911 [08:01:07] <Psyndrome> replaced-url
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914 [08:02:22] <Psyndrome> Do you want me to send you an image from gparted of my resizing too?
915 [08:02:22] <diogenes_> Psyndrome, it's clean, now it should not show up any dead OSes in your boot menu.
916 [08:02:43] <diogenes_> what you want to resize?
917 [08:03:22] <Psyndrome> The things is i already did and i doubt its correct
918 [08:03:39] <diogenes_> ok let's see.
919 [08:03:45] <Psyndrome> replaced-url
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923 [08:05:30] <Psyndrome> This is the result after i deleted all other systems
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927 [08:06:26] <diogenes_> you've created an extended partition, i'd rather not, also you have almost no data there, all your data can fin into an useb pendrive, so if i were you, i'd have back up my data and do a clean re-installation.
928 [08:06:29] <Psyndrome> The disk was separated on three parts from which Debian took the smallest
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930 [08:06:47] <diogenes_> also resizing can be tricky sometimes.
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932 [08:09:16] <Psyndrome> When i was resizing i was not able to resize the ext4 part and only when i resized the extended part to maximum i was allowed to resize ext4 together with
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934 [08:09:45] <Psyndrome> But later i saw a resizing tutorial of a person who first deleted swap and then he was able to move only the ext4
935 [08:09:59] <Psyndrome> and asigned some small portion for extended
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937 [08:11:06] <Psyndrome> To me they are both maximized
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965 [08:40:09] <Psyndrome> So as i can see i should use the extended part only for the swap space in this case
966 [08:40:13] <Psyndrome> Is that correct?
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969 [08:42:00] <diogenes_> Psyndrome, you should use exteded partitions only when you dual boot with windows and you install in legacy bios mode (no uefi), that's the only reasonable way to se extended, in any other cases you just use simple partitions.
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972 [08:44:02] <Psyndrome> So the extended light blue shouldnt even exist?
973 [08:44:19] <Psyndrome> only ext4 and swap
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978 [08:46:20] <diogenes_> Psyndrome, it exists because you had windows previously so mbr drive supports only 4 primary partitions, in your case those 4 were occupied by the windows primary partitions and there was no slot for the linux ones, that's why you had to use extended partition, but now, as you use only linux, it's no longer needed.
979 [08:47:30] <Psyndrome> well ill go and try to remove all of that and see what will happen
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982 [08:47:42] <Psyndrome> if i fail i will reinstall and thats it
983 [08:47:48] <Psyndrome> thanks a lot for the help
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985 [08:47:56] <diogenes_> yw
986 [08:48:15] <nonedead> Ok, I am having a "small" problem getting buster to install on my macbook air.....
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990 [08:50:19] <nonedead> Its a MacBookAir7,2 and it is failing every step of the way. Wireless, storage and trackpad are not working in the installer. Any pointers because the wiki has no entrys for this one
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995 [08:52:05] <nonedead> Should I attempt with jessie and see if it takes or am I missing something simple?
996 [08:53:10] <diogenes_> nonedead, pointer never worked for me in the installer too, do it with keyboard.
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998 [08:54:30] <loeken> nonedead, maybe try a os like kali linux ( you can boot it from usb stick )
999 [08:55:02] <nonedead> I plugged a usb mouse I had laying around and used that, I gave up on the wifi and tried installing from dvd media and it does not see the built in storage (has SSD on MB)
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1003 [08:57:49] <nonedead> What is Kali based off of?
1004 [08:58:56] <nonedead> Found it, Debian based
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1009 [09:00:40] <nonedead> Any idea why it isn't seeing the ssd?
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1011 [09:02:01] <klys> nonedead, lsmod
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1013 [09:02:20] <diogenes_> apple locks down and ties hardware to software, the chances are it is bind to macos only.
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1026 [09:17:27] <nonedead> diogenes_: I figured out my problem and it nothing can be done with debian, not fault on their end. Apple's T2 chip as the SSD controller prevents any OS besides MacOS and Windows...
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1028 [09:18:23] <nonedead> So no Debian on the machine... Could try Win10 and the WSL with it
1029 [09:18:35] <diogenes_> nonedead, toldya replaced-url
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1031 [09:20:14] <nonedead> Atleast I didn't spend any money on it. Was given to me free
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1033 [09:20:56] <nonedead> I updated my MacMini to buster without problem though....
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1100 [10:20:20] <rain2> mount /dir will lookup fstab and mount the thing, but is there a way to make it do nothing if /dir is already mounted?
1101 [10:20:26] <rain2> i dont want it mounted twice
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1134 [10:45:28] <jim> rain2, I'm pretty sure it won't mount the same device to the same dir twice
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1136 [10:48:12] <humpled> i just tried with a tmpfs and it does, doesn't make much difference except when you unmount one the other is still mounted
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1138 [10:49:08] <jim> so if you mount a second time, it mounts atain?
1139 [10:49:13] <jim> again?
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1141 [10:50:20] <humpled> when i call mount afterwards, it shows two identical lines
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1143 [10:50:52] <humpled> my fstab is like this: none /home/user/tmp tmpfs user,noauto 0 0
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1145 [10:51:02] <humpled> don't know what the questioner's use-case is
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1149 [10:52:55] <jim> I just checked the man page, and it says (1) that it -is- possible, and (2) that "... the mount command does not implement any policy to control this behavior."
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1177 [11:07:37] <humpled> fair enough
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1179 [11:08:34] <jim> hope the OP reads this, hasn't responded yet
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1182 [11:09:59] <humpled> oh well, i learned something, findmnt seems useful
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1264 [11:52:33] <wakatana> hello I'm using IRSSI for IRC. Is it possible to show channels which I'm currently joined on? Either command or some plugin would be great. Thankx
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1266 [11:53:17] <wakatana> plugin which will show channels in tab like style. like GNU screen
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1268 [11:54:33] <Wulf> wakatana: /whois wakatana
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1270 [11:56:29] <toruvinn> wakatana, /window list
1271 [11:56:30] <toruvinn> perhaps?
1272 [11:56:47] <toruvinn> wakatana, there are plenty of scripts that print a better list, however
1273 [11:57:13] <toruvinn> wakatana, replaced-url
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1292 [12:04:22] <azy> worth upgrading from debian 9 to 10?
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1298 [12:07:27] <rant> there is also scriptassist which is a package manager for scripts lets you search and install scripts from within irssi
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1300 [12:07:55] <rant> azy: "worth"? Its still on LTS there is no real reason to upgrade yet if you have to ask and dont know
1301 [12:08:07] <rant> !stretch
1302 [12:08:07] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
1303 [12:08:19] <rant> hmm..
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1305 [12:08:47] <azy> !install stretch
1306 [12:08:47] <dpkg> There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See replaced-url
1307 [12:08:52] <azy> wait i already hvae that lol
1308 [12:09:04] <azy> ill leave it
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1312 [12:10:04] <rant> !jessie
1313 [12:10:04] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
1314 [12:10:43] <rant> !lts
1315 [12:10:43] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
1316 [12:10:52] <rant> ah
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1318 [12:11:00] <rant> dpkg, stretch-lts
1319 [12:11:00] <dpkg> It is expected that extended security support for Debian 9 "Stretch" will be offered by the <LTS> project after the Debian Security Team ceases supporting stretch in July 2020. See replaced-url
1320 [12:11:33] <rant> hmm, maybe not.. I was thinking one of these would say at least ballpark the date until which stretch will be supported
1321 [12:11:45] <wakatana> toruvinn: thanks i know about scripts /window and /whois <my_nick> seems ok. may I ask for your prefered scripts?
1322 [12:11:45] <rant> but I'm not seeing that on the wiki or release pages either
1323 [12:12:17] <rant> afaik it should be supported for at least 2 more years
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1325 [12:12:59] <rant> idk how anyone else feels about it, and I could just be imagining it, but somehow Buster seemed shinier to me :P
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1328 [12:13:35] <coruja> rant, replaced-url
1329 [12:14:20] <rant> coruja: ah, I see, thanks..
1330 [12:14:43] <rant> I wonder should we put that into <stretch-lts> or <stretch> or both?!
1331 [12:16:09] <rant> the <stretch-lts> already mentiones EOL July 2020, but doesnt indicate end of LTS
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1337 [12:24:00] <kek_> hi
1338 [12:26:06] <kek_> if I create a bootable usb stick with debian 10 and "dd" tool, should that be bootable on legacy bios?
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1342 [12:27:19] <jim> kek_, yeah, I think so
1343 [12:27:43] <rant> kek_: yes, and you dont need dd, cp is fine
1344 [12:27:43] <jim> easy enough to test :)
1345 [12:28:01] <rant> kek_: cp debian.iso /dev/sdc or w/e
1346 [12:28:40] <kek_> rant, what prerequierments does "just cp" have?
1347 [12:29:01] <rant> pre-what?
1348 [12:29:30] <rant> if you read the realease notes this is how it tells you to make the images
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1352 [12:29:59] <rant> dd is not required, a normal cp is fine
1353 [12:30:35] <kek_> jim, thanks
1354 [12:30:43] <kek_> rant, ok gonna check the notes then
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1377 [12:51:40] <GigaFlow> haha, I tried to upgrade to Buster and killed my machine
1378 [12:51:55] <GigaFlow> so right now I can boot only in recovery mode
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1387 [12:58:35] <GigaFlow> "problem executing scripts APT::Update"
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1396 [13:06:19] <GigaFlow> damn
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1402 [13:12:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey did firefox start minding gtk themes?
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1410 [13:17:45] <BCMM> Eryn_1983_FL: what do you mean, "minding"? afaik firefox has always followed gtk themes
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1413 [13:18:47] <BCMM> if it's not following your theme, you might not have a theme for the correct gtk version
1414 [13:19:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmm
1415 [13:20:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> must of been it then now its purple!
1416 [13:20:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> fml
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1419 [13:21:22] <humpled> fwp
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1441 [13:38:59] <GigaFlow> I can't isntall libgstreamer1.0-0
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1444 [13:39:08] <GigaFlow> why this life sucks?
1445 [13:39:28] <GigaFlow> apt tells that it is already isntalled
1446 [13:39:33] <GigaFlow> installed
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1490 [14:11:43] <melpy> life sucks because death blows
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1498 [14:15:08] <Bushmills> i stick to black holes, concerning sucking
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1506 [14:18:26] <kek_> hi so I have a HP ProLiant MicroServer Gen8 here. Before there was ubuntu and even gnome installed on it. the hdd crashed and now I installed debian. Before it was slow, but now is unbearable. the new HDD is very similar. What could be the reason for it to be so slow?
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1509 [14:19:30] <rudi_s> kek_: Slow in what way?
1510 [14:20:34] <humpled> and what kind of debian?
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1512 [14:21:34] <kek_> rudi_s, e.g. if you open a terminal and type - it's just terrible. you can't really type. the mouse cursor is just lagging. humpled I installed Debian 10 + Gnome (since my friend wants a DE)
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1519 [14:23:46] <Bushmills> kek_: BIOS settings completely messed up. such as, CPU seed set to 20 MHz
1520 [14:24:03] <Bushmills> tried resetting BIOS configuration?
1521 [14:24:03] <humpled> unusual machine, which processor is it?
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1525 [14:24:46] <rudi_s> kek_: Gen8 has a Celeron processor per default which is quite slow for today's standards.
1526 [14:25:20] <kek_> Bushmills, but if that was the case, wouldn't the old installation also be terribly slow? humpled Intel Pentium CPU G2020T @ 2.5ghz x2
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1529 [14:25:45] <Bushmills> "Before it was slow, ..."
1530 [14:26:28] <humpled> that's the pentium, gnome is the slowest but i have a single core celeron with xfce and it's not really laggy
1531 [14:26:37] <kek_> Bushmills, slow but usable - that's like another dimension slow now
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1533 [14:27:37] <kek_> you have like a latency of 2s for the cursor - before it was just slow, like "old hardware hdd"-slow but I'm going to check the settings ofc
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1542 [14:30:53] <bonux> Hello, i can't login into mw dwm session... I compiled it from source and added .desktop file rebooted, but when i choose dwm and type password it just returns me back to typing password.
1543 [14:31:07] <humpled> i hope wayland isn't a problem here
1544 [14:31:11] <humpled> oops
1545 [14:31:24] <bonux> Maybe it is, and how should i solve it?
1546 [14:32:44] <humpled> oh i don't know anything about dwm, sorry, are you following the arch wiki?
1547 [14:33:36] <bonux> No, i just installed from source and then added .desktop file to launch it from loggin manager.
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1549 [14:34:34] <humpled> ,v dwm
1550 [14:34:35] <judd> Package: dwm on amd64 -- jessie: 6.0-7; stretch: 6.1-3; bullseye: 6.1-5; buster: 6.1-5; sid: 6.1-5
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1552 [14:35:16] <ksk> Can I get the information "why was this package installed" from APT somehow? (I know of "aptitude why" in contrast..)
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1555 [14:35:28] <ksk> or, from the system by any means, actually.
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1564 [14:40:39] <rant> you need aptitude for more advanced stuff, but if you wanted to do things the hard way you could examine the apt or dpkg logs
1565 [14:40:54] <Bushmills> ksk, aptitude why package
1566 [14:41:43] <Bushmills> ah, seen your comment in parenthesises too late
1567 [14:43:22] <Bushmills> then, if it's not a dependency or installed explicitely, it may have been selected and installed as recommendation by aptitude
1568 [14:44:00] <rant> you can probably figure it out just grepping the dpkg or apt logs
1569 [14:44:03] <Bushmills> (option exists in settings, can be turned off)
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1577 [14:49:47] <ksk> I see, thanks.
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1581 [14:50:28] <ksk> "X11; recommends: everything"
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1606 [15:13:23] <deadmarshal> hi, how can i install ati turks radeon HD 6670 graphics driver on debian? i've downloaded the .run file from amd.com website, but it gives an error like this: replaced-url
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1611 [15:17:53] <deadmarshal> :(
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1615 [15:18:39] <deadmarshal> what should i do? it's urgent
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1622 [15:22:25] <Bushmills> firmware-amd-graphics should have needed firmware for that card
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1624 [15:23:18] <Bushmills> probably in non-free repo, which isn't enabled by default. you may have to add it
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1628 [15:24:16] <deadmarshal> i guess i have enabled non-free repos
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1630 [15:24:38] <Bushmills> remembering beats guessing
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1632 [15:25:11] <deadmarshal> so the package name is firmware-amd-graphics?
1633 [15:25:25] <rant> ,i firmware-amd-graphics
1634 [15:25:26] <judd> Package firmware-amd-graphics (non-free/kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Binary firmware for AMD/ATI graphics chips. Version: 20190114-1; Size: 3347.0k; Installed: 30234k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1637 [15:26:37] <deadmarshal> ah ok let me see, tnx
1638 [15:26:40] <debusr> my debian is bullseye/sid. And I install skype but in the testing step, the speaker doesn't work. My sound card is HDA Intel PCH, CX8200 Analog. Any place i can check?
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1642 [15:27:22] <rant> debusr: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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1644 [15:27:38] <rant> debusr: and contact skype's support
1645 [15:27:42] <debusr> @rant i see. thanks
1646 [15:27:53] <rant> and stop using twitter/facebook stuff on irc
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1649 [15:27:58] <Bushmills> debusr: IIRC, skype supports oss as sound output only, and won't work when something else uses audio too
1650 [15:28:20] <debusr> @Bush
1651 [15:28:39] <rant> thats not the case, I was using skype recently with my cousin while we watched netflix together
1652 [15:28:41] <debusr> @Bushmills Thanks for the info!
1653 [15:28:50] <rant> seriously, stop doing that. :P
1654 [15:29:04] <Bushmills> as reported by rant, my info seems to be outdated
1655 [15:29:11] <rant> @Bushmills is to highlight a facebook/twitter user called Bushmills, that is not how irc works
1656 [15:29:27] <rant> here @Bushmills indicates that Bushmills is a channel operator
1657 [15:29:36] <Bushmills> I refuse
1658 [15:29:38] <rant> and most IRC clients will not highlight when you do that
1659 [15:29:41] <debusr> sorry don't know irc very well.
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1661 [15:29:55] <rant> to highlight someone their nick needs to be the first thing on the line
1662 [15:29:58] <rant> debusr: like this
1663 [15:30:01] <rant> debusr, or this
1664 [15:30:04] <kirk781> Bushmills, hello
1665 [15:30:09] <Ede|Popede> nah, anywhere in the line
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1667 [15:30:11] <debusr> debusr: hello
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1669 [15:30:20] <rant> Ede|Popede: depends on the client and your highlighting rules
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1671 [15:30:22] <debusr> thanks!
1672 [15:30:29] <Ede|Popede> you talk too much to bots, rant ;)
1673 [15:30:33] <rant> my client only highlights if my nick is the first thing on the line
1674 [15:30:48] <rant> dpkg, what is a person?
1675 [15:30:49] <dpkg> person is, like, like a bot, but squishier
1676 [15:30:56] <kirk781> rant, watt client?
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1678 [15:31:29] <rant> irssi
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1680 [15:31:42] <Ede|Popede> actually a client giving you the freedom to do it your own way does it right
1681 [15:31:45] <rant> I could of course change the highlights but I'm not going to for obvious reasons
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1684 [15:32:14] <rant> If you were to rant, or talk about a rant, raty durant, fragrant... etc
1685 [15:32:18] <rant> I would be highlighted
1686 [15:32:25] <rant> heh
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1702 [15:37:51] <deadmarshal> I installed firmware-amd-graphics, but the resolution is still so bad. how can I enable it?
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1704 [15:38:23] <wh0ami> hello, i might have locked myself out. so i disabled root login via passwd -l, i also disabled my normal user password method because i wanted keys authentication, but now sudo wont recognize my normal user password
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1708 [15:38:51] <wh0ami> is there other way to fix this? i still have access to my normal user via key athentication
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1713 [15:40:16] <wh0ami> i cannot access "passwd" because it asks for my normal user password when I sudo
1714 [15:41:27] <rant> wh0ami: yes, you have to bypass the authentication by bypassing init and thus getty, pam, etc..
1715 [15:41:40] <AinNero> like the rescue boot option from the ISO
1716 [15:41:50] <wh0ami> can you ELI5?
1717 [15:41:55] <jasabelle> you could try booting off a live usb stick, mount the disk and editing /etc/passwd manually
1718 [15:41:56] <rant> wh0ami: reboot, press 'e' on the boot menu, append init=/bin/bash to the linux line and then boot
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1720 [15:42:35] <rant> wh0ami: then do "mount -o remount,rw /" then use passwd to set a password and "mount -o remount,ro /" and reboot
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1724 [15:43:09] <rant> wh0ami: do not follow the above advice, they dont know what they're talking about
1725 [15:43:20] <rant> first of all /etc/passwd has nothing to do with your password
1726 [15:43:51] <rant> secondly, even if it did, how would you suppose you edit it? do you know how to generate a proper passwd hash?
1727 [15:43:53] <jasabelle> re-enable the root account i was thinking
1728 [15:44:05] <wh0ami> ok
1729 [15:44:21] <rant> disabling the root account is done by placing a ! or * in the password field
1730 [15:44:26] <wh0ami> jasa, i couldnt it, i had to use sudo for thag
1731 [15:44:35] <wh0ami> that
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1733 [15:45:06] <jasabelle> rant… yeah so remove it
1734 [15:45:17] <rant> then you have nothing in the password field
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1736 [15:45:36] <jasabelle> it's stored in /etc/shadow isnt it?
1737 [15:45:41] <wh0ami> i cant use sudo in the first place
1738 [15:45:43] <rant> yes
1739 [15:45:56] <rant> forget sudo, you have to reboot
1740 [15:46:03] <jasabelle> so once is re-enabled, they can reboot and get in as root
1741 [15:46:14] <rant> and either use the method I described or boot another media and use chroot
1742 [15:46:14] <wh0ami> ill give it a try
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1774 [16:04:41] <wh0ami> the first method didnt work because i disabled hdmi and nothing is on the screen
1775 [16:04:49] <wh0ami> what was the other method again
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1777 [16:05:15] <wh0ami> its a headless server so i didnt bother with gui
1778 [16:05:43] <rant> either way you need to attache input and output devices, you FUBAR'd it
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1781 [16:06:17] <rant> unless you have some kind of boot media that will bring up a network and allow you ssh access
1782 [16:06:29] <rant> whereby you can chroot into the system
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1784 [16:06:56] <wh0ami> im currently connected to it and i have ssh access
1785 [16:07:15] <wh0ami> just wont let me do anything because of sudo asking for the password
1786 [16:07:26] <rant> BECAUSE YOU LOCKED OUT THE ROOT ACCOUNT
1787 [16:07:43] <rant> if you could unlock it from there there would be no point in having any security what-so-ever
1788 [16:07:52] <rant> you cant unlock it from within the system you broke
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1790 [16:08:15] <rant> you have to boot another system and access it while its offline or by bypassing the entire security by bypassing init and pam
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1792 [16:08:21] <rant> there is NO OTHER WAY, PERIOD
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1794 [16:08:49] <rant> you either hook up a monitor and keyboard pass init=/bin/bash or boot ANOTHER MEDIA which has the ability to be accessed remotely
1795 [16:09:13] <laptop> hello
1796 [16:09:18] <rant> a media which you HAVE ROOT access on
1797 [16:09:36] <rant> laptop: hello
1798 [16:09:49] <laptop> hello I have a question, I installed debian 10 from 9 and some of my packages are not in debian 10 so I am wondering I could just install debian 9 again but I switched to arch can I install some of those old packages
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1800 [16:10:43] <rant> I'm not going to even attempt to answer that because you asked in two different channels on two different networks and your attention is divided and the question is indecipherable
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1802 [16:10:50] <rant> its an x y z problem
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1804 [16:11:09] <laptop> hmmm
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1806 [16:12:02] <deadrom> hi
1807 [16:12:24] <laptop> hi
1808 [16:12:26] <rant> laptop: try again.. focus your attention on one channel, ask a better question
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1810 [16:12:39] <rant> idk if when you say "arch" if you mean arch linux or what
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1812 [16:13:18] <rant> Debian 9 is supported for several more years, you can continue to use it, but chances are you need to begin thinking about how to resolve your issues with whatever unnamed packages
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1814 [16:13:35] <rant> the real question involves mentioning these packages
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1816 [16:13:49] <laptop> okay so I need to install legacy 304 nvidia but it is not in buster repo but it is in sid repo but I have switch to archlinux with manjaro will it allow me to use the older hardware
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1818 [16:14:43] <rant> I couldnt say what archlinux or manjaro is or if it will allow you to use older hardware.. this is #debian.. we support Debian stable
1819 [16:14:58] <jasabelle> unless you really know what you are doing, consider the different flavors of linux non-interchangable
1820 [16:15:29] <rant> if you want to use debian stable and know if a particular nvidia card will be supported, you need to stay focused and tell us specifically what hardware
1821 [16:15:30] <jasabelle> completely different OS's
1822 [16:15:34] <rant> i.e. what lspci -nn says
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1824 [16:15:51] <wh0ami> ill see if i can enable the monitor output
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1828 [16:16:19] <deadrom> not having any more free sata ports I decided to to form a raid1 set of two usb3 disks on a deb8 machine on an intel sandy bridge platform (I know, both old, ripe for an upgrade, on my todo). the raid is host to a VBox virtual machine and while the deb8 host is perfectly happy with its raid set, the VM complains a lot about things like "JBD2: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on sda2-8". I know the usb raid idea is stupid, by my
1829 [16:16:20] <laptop> okay got it I think your earlier advice makes sense think about new hardware is really the problem for debian, I know my video card but the problem is it is not supported with debian 10
1830 [16:16:21] <deadrom> question is, why does the guest complain and the host not?
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1840 [16:19:20] <rant> laptop: all I hear you saying is that you're way off topic and have nothing we can help you with.. you are not saying what the pciid of this device is, you are just saying its not supported and that you don't use debian.. and thus would only be wasting our time here
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1865 [16:39:50] <wh0ami> rant, how about using cron during reboot?
1866 [16:40:08] <wh0ami> i tried passwd -u user
1867 [16:40:15] <wh0ami> but didnt work
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1869 [16:40:46] <rant> wth would you do that?
1870 [16:40:57] <rant> thats to change the password of a user called user
1871 [16:41:06] <rant> you were just suppose to type passwd
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1873 [16:41:11] <rant> to change the root password
1874 [16:41:21] <rant> AFTER remounting the filesystem read-write
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1876 [16:42:06] <rant> and you have to remount it read-only afterward to prevent damage from a hard reboot
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1878 [16:42:29] <wh0ami> yeah, once i enable user's password, i should be able to enable root password with sudo
1879 [16:43:10] <rant> @.@
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1882 [16:43:33] <wh0ami> so i can boot a livecd and do that?
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1884 [16:43:52] <wh0ami> im new to linux stuff but doing my best
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1886 [16:43:57] <rant> w/e .. heh.. to me when I've fubarred something to the point I gotta go this route I re-enable the root the old fashioned way I dont rely on rube methods
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1888 [16:44:33] <rant> you can do it from a live as well, if you mount the rootfs and chroot to the mountpoint
1889 [16:44:46] <rant> its slightly easier that way cause you dont have to wory about remounting the rootfs twice
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1927 [16:55:22] <Asterisco> Buonasera... da qualche giorno ho effettuato un dist-upgrade a debian 10
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1930 [16:56:27] <humpled> is that Italian?
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1933 [16:57:34] <rant> !it
1934 [16:57:34] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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1936 [16:57:48] <humpled> only 17 users tho
1937 [16:57:57] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i've downloaded the new stable debian but when i try to disable nouveau for the orig. nvidia driver he tells me X is running but i stopped it with /etc/init.d/lightdm stop
1938 [16:58:07] <rant> humpled: better than 400 that don't speak Italian :P
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1940 [16:58:24] <humpled> well, true
1941 [16:59:08] <Asterisco> i've upgrade to debian 10 from debian 9 with dist-upgrade, but from this date the pc go to standby after sometime of inactivity
1942 [16:59:25] <Asterisco> The Computer is a asterisk server and this is a problem for mr
1943 [16:59:26] <Asterisco> me
1944 [16:59:52] <Asterisco> what could be the problem?
1945 [17:00:02] <rant> it could be configured to do so in the BIOS/UEFI
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1949 [17:00:35] <Asterisco> rant i don't think
1950 [17:00:52] <Asterisco> before the computer work fine
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1952 [17:03:16] <rant> I don't know, I'd read the logs and check the running processes, installed packages, systemctl status.. etc
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1965 [17:14:05] <Solifugus> Just installed debian 10 and discovered I cannot su or login as root.. how can I fix this? What are you supposed to do?
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1968 [17:14:38] <jasabelle> did you disable root logins when installing?
1969 [17:14:41] <Solifugus> The user setup at installation had always been able to su/sudo in past versions of debian
1970 [17:14:47] <jasabelle> the installer would install sudo
1971 [17:14:57] <Solifugus> Nope...
1972 [17:15:18] <Solifugus> says I am not setup in the sodoers file..
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1975 [17:15:30] <jasabelle> did you add yourself in the install process?
1976 [17:15:31] <Solifugus> I cannot login via ssh root@localhost
1977 [17:15:42] <Solifugus> I installed KDE so it won't let me login as root..
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1979 [17:15:54] <Solifugus> I added a user "master" during install
1980 [17:16:15] <jasabelle> and you can login as that user?
1981 [17:16:23] <Solifugus> obviously, I cannot add any other user or do anything outside of that, surprisingly locked up user
1982 [17:16:29] <Solifugus> I can login as master...
1983 [17:16:38] <Solifugus> but master cannot use su or sudo
1984 [17:16:50] <Solifugus> which really surprised me
1985 [17:17:05] <jasabelle> that does sound weird
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1987 [17:17:40] <jasabelle> i installed off netinst image recently and disabled root logins, i have sudo
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1990 [17:17:49] <Solifugus> maybe I could login as root, on the konsole.. if I could get around the kde login... I think some function key or something
1991 [17:18:01] <Solifugus> hmmm..
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1993 [17:18:26] <humpled> !?
1994 [17:18:34] <jasabelle> to get a root shell from sudo you use sudo -i
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1996 [17:18:57] <jasabelle> but if you're not set up for sudoers privs er, yeah, not gonna work that way
1997 [17:19:30] <humpled> in the installer, either you make a root password or your primary user will be a sudoer
1998 [17:19:36] <jasabelle> yeah
1999 [17:19:46] <Solifugus> humpled.. wonder why that didn't happen
2000 [17:20:03] <humpled> you don't have a root password?
2001 [17:20:12] <Solifugus> isn't there some way to get to a console login, instead of the kde login..
2002 [17:20:18] <humpled> sure
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2004 [17:20:31] <humpled> use ctrl-alt-f?
2005 [17:20:33] <jasabelle> ctrl+alt+f1
2006 [17:20:34] <Solifugus> of course, I have the root password.. but how can I login to it? tried ssh root@localhost but not allowed
2007 [17:20:37] <jasabelle> to get to a tty
2008 [17:20:47] <jasabelle> ssh will have ootlogins disabled
2009 [17:20:54] <Solifugus> yes.. thanks.. I was trying to remember those keys
2010 [17:20:54] <jasabelle> rootlogins
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2012 [17:21:17] <humpled> or use su - in a graphical terminal in the kde session
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2014 [17:21:23] <Solifugus> awesome.. I am in.
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2016 [17:22:11] <Solifugus> humpled, su - is the first thing I tried.. but the user made during installation it says, is not in the sudoers file
2017 [17:22:21] <Solifugus> I am in now.. and will fix this.
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2025 [17:23:08] <Solifugus> yep... nobody besides root mentioned in the sudoers file
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2027 [17:23:23] <humpled> i don't think you have to be a sudoer to su to root
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2032 [17:23:42] <jasabelle> openssh server has this as default for security reasons: #PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
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2089 [17:31:34] <Solifugus> The sudoers file had members of the "sudo" group having root-like privs.. I noticed giving that group as a secondary group to "master" user did not work. I had to be the primary group.
2090 [17:31:42] <Solifugus> But now it works from my "master" user.
2091 [17:32:26] <humpled> what
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2093 [17:33:15] <humpled> now master doesn't have their own primary group?
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2105 [17:40:21] <immu> hi
2106 [17:40:32] <immu> i have newly installed debian for the first time
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2108 [17:40:41] <humpled> \o/
2109 [17:40:56] <immu> previously i was on Ubuntu
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2112 [17:41:16] <immu> do we have a chit chat channel
2113 [17:41:36] <humpled> there is #debian-offtopic
2114 [17:42:00] <immu> humpled, thnx
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2121 [17:45:16] <immu> i wonder how is gnome faster in debian than ubuntu
2122 [17:45:35] <azeem> we compile with -funroll-loops
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2125 [17:46:21] <immu> azeem, lol
2126 [17:46:30] <immu> i am njoying it
2127 [17:46:41] <azeem> immu: to be honest, hard to say, most of us don't compare with Ubuntu regularly - they might run a few additional value-add (or not) services that bogs you down
2128 [17:47:42] <immu> ok
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2130 [17:48:11] <immu> azeem, does debian support snaps?
2131 [17:48:59] <azeem> !snaps
2132 [17:49:01] <azeem> hrm
2133 [17:49:09] <azeem> not sure, certainly not as a first-class thing
2134 [17:49:12] <azeem> !snap
2135 [17:49:13] <dpkg> somebody said snap was a snap is a tweaker or fiend, someone whose level of addiction to a substance is so intense, they will get it at any cost. If you were looking for snap packages, consider the previous statement and perhaps professional help on your <#dsm> classifyable disorder.
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2137 [17:49:13] <immu> ok
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2139 [17:49:42] <immu> i fear snaps would run over dkpg
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2143 [17:50:35] <azeem> I guess they get dumped outside the FHS namespace?
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2146 [17:52:20] <immu> lol
2147 [17:52:30] <immu> wait i would google it
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2168 [18:04:28] <SerajewelKS> is there a recommendation for handling EC2 network interfaces on buster? the name that udev wants is a hwaddr-based name (enx*) which is going to mean different interfaces names on every EC2 server.
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2172 [18:04:59] <SerajewelKS> is it recommended to use a systemd link to get a consistent name such as "wan" in EC2?
2173 [18:05:09] <SerajewelKS> or is there some other best practice?
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2194 [18:21:34] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: Are you baking your own images for EC2? If you are, you could take a peek at the EC2 images provided by the debian cloud team, I'm sure they came up with a solution since they "just work".
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2244 [18:47:52] <BCMM> immu: afaik snaps are basically an ubuntu thing
2245 [18:48:01] <darkmeson> SerajewelKS: I can't say I've used EC2, but I'd be surprised if the MAC address ever changes, and that's what we usually set our consistent names by (typically in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules)
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2247 [18:48:45] <BCMM> immu: snapd is available in debian, though
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2250 [18:49:29] <darkmeson> I don't know about an ubuntu thing, but they're definitely not a lowmem desktop thing. snapd wastes a crap ton of memory for no apparent reason (as in, it could've been handled by non-persistent scripts, etc)
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2254 [18:52:36] <darkmeson> it's actually kind of annoying since it's the only way to get anbox atm
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2258 [18:54:26] <BCMM> darkmeson: isn't the server side proprietary and operated by canonical? or does it support third-party repos now?
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2260 [18:55:54] <darkmeson> It's decentralized afaik. At least, I had to allow addresses outside of the usual ones for ppas and so forth
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2262 [18:56:57] <darkmeson> for anbox (and maybe eternallands?), and they didn't seem to be canonical-related
2263 [18:57:00] <n00buser> hi, how to reinstall kde in debian 10 and install fresh settings?
2264 [18:58:00] <darkmeson> "fresh settings" is mostly just blowing away (or moving out of the way) ~/.kde and most of the ~/.config/k* entries afaik
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2267 [18:58:44] <ratrace> BCMM: the snap store is proprietary and centralized, you can't have your own
2268 [18:58:57] <darkmeson> (some ~/.local/k* entries too)
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2273 [19:02:45] <darkmeson> n00buser: honestly, your best bet is probably to move the current home directory out of the way (ex: sudo mv /home/<user> /home/<user>.old) and make a new one ('cp -a /etc/skel /home/<user>; chown -R <user>:<user> /home/<user>; chmod -R 0710 /home/<user>), then re-log.
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2275 [19:05:09] <darkmeson> It's usually what I do since there are qt, gtk, kde, gnome, pulseaudio, and ton of other files scattered all over that tend to cause strange problems from time to time if you try to get more surgical with it
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2278 [19:05:26] <n00buser> darkmeson, thx, will try
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2281 [19:06:55] <darkmeson> if you go that route, it also gives you the advantage of being able to copy the fresh user directory back to /etc/skel or elsewhere so you can reset things to, or replicate the exact set up you like more easily
2282 [19:07:21] <Abdullah> some good console fonts except terminus?
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2287 [19:08:21] <Abdullah> I tried a font which I use for urxvt but I can't find it a .gz file in them. I also created a gzip file from that font but no success
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2290 [19:09:28] <darkmeson> ratrace: if we're calling the store jump off point like the sources.list entries are for apt, then that looked to be correct
2291 [19:09:29] <Abdullah> I usually store my daily use fonts in my dotfiles repo and don't install more fonts except those come with a default netinstall iso
2292 [19:10:27] <SerajewelKS> darkmeson: i don't expect the MAC address to change, but at this point it's been consistent that eth0 is the interface on all instances. having to maintain separate interface names in scripts etc. would be a pain. i wasn't sure if using a systemd link was advised.
2293 [19:10:32] <BCMM> Abdullah: seen this one? replaced-url
2294 [19:10:42] <darkmeson> personally, I only use Terminus or TerminusBold, but that's because it's the only one that goes to 16x32 and allows me to approximate the standard 80x25 console arrangement
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2296 [19:11:06] <SerajewelKS> petn-randall: not baking our own images, but planning the upgrade from stretch
2297 [19:11:06] <BCMM> Abdullah: it's not just a copy of the classic ibm terminal font; it's actually a modern vector font that somehow keeps the look and feel
2298 [19:11:09] * darkmeson hates that all developers seem to automatically assume everyone can read extremely tiny fonts
2299 [19:11:13] <Abdullah> BCMM: will give it a try.
2300 [19:11:39] <BCMM> Abdullah: i linked the github for screenshots, but it's in debian as fonts-3270
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2302 [19:12:10] <Abdullah> gonna install them BCMM
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2304 [19:12:49] <BCMM> Abdullah: oh, and inconsolata
2305 [19:13:13] <Abdullah> BCMM: I don't know why I don't like inconsolata :)
2306 [19:13:28] <darkmeson> one they're installed, they go to /usr/share/consolefonts btw
2307 [19:13:38] <BCMM> Abdullah: i just wish it had italics, for syntax-highlighted source
2308 [19:14:27] <SerajewelKS> petn-randall: the buster release notes 5.1.5 is basically "subject yourself to awful hwaddr-based interface names because of reasons that we aren't going to tell you"
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2310 [19:14:46] * darkmeson has to rummage through there and manually copy fonts between distros from time to time
2311 [19:15:06] <Abdullah> yeah but I don't find them with fonts-_ maybe they call them something else. I think I have to startx to check README on github.
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2314 [19:15:30] <darkmeson> or use elinks, or w3m, or netsurf, etc
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2316 [19:15:41] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: If you *upgrade*, the interface names will be retained.
2317 [19:15:52] <petn-randall> I know that from practical experience.
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2322 [19:16:59] <SerajewelKS> petn-randall: the section indicates that the udev mechanism is no longer supported in buster. yeah, it may work. but i'm very hesitant to rely on something "not officialy supported" for dozens of production servers.
2323 [19:17:02] <darkmeson> some flavors of console browsers can even use the framebuffer for graphical browsing with involving X11
2324 [19:17:10] <darkmeson> s/with/without/
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2326 [19:17:37] <SerajewelKS> petn-randall: it's a bit strange to me that the section doesn't even hint at alternatives or any officially-supported way of achieving the same thing
2327 [19:17:48] <SerajewelKS> it just says "stop doing this"
2328 [19:18:15] <darkmeson> SerajewelKS: personally, that's one reason I tend to use bridge interfaces even where I don't strictly need them
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2331 [19:18:47] <petn-randall> SerajewelKS: I must have missed that part during upgrade, since all my servers still work as expected with the legacy file names ... :S
2332 [19:18:53] <SerajewelKS> darkmeson: someone pointed me at systemd .link units which i assume are safe, but i'm curious what the best practice is
2333 [19:19:07] <SerajewelKS> petn-randall: replaced-url
2334 [19:19:07] <bonux> Hello, i can't make my dwm to work on debian.
2335 [19:19:17] <darkmeson> I just configure the bridge, then toss a script into the boot process that auto-adds interfaces to the right places so I don't have to be bothered by people moving the cheese for no good reason (which is business as usual for GNU/Linux these days, sadly)
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2338 [19:20:33] <darkmeson> which to state it explicitly, mostly means doing a subset of udev's job and binding things together by hwaddr rather than unstable ifnames
2339 [19:21:08] <SerajewelKS> oh speaking of, is there a way to get tinc to delay starting until after a specific interface comes up? i have a tinc interface that is added to a bridge in the tinc-up script but at boot, tinc starts before the bridge is up and so the VPN starts but isn't in the bridge.
2340 [19:21:12] <SerajewelKS> restarting tinc later fixes it.
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2342 [19:21:32] <SerajewelKS> i'd like to have systemd wait until br0 is up before starting tinc. but i don't know the correct way to configure that.
2343 [19:21:36] <Abdullah> darkmeson: fonts-3270 made my settings destroyed :) I just had to purge them and then did xset +fp blah blah to use urxvt load fonts from my homedir
2344 [19:21:47] <SerajewelKS> darkmeson: i think systemd link units solve that problem
2345 [19:21:56] <darkmeson> SerajewelKS: You can put After= in the unit file for it, in theory
2346 [19:21:59] <SerajewelKS> darkmeson: replaced-url
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2348 [19:22:17] <SerajewelKS> darkmeson: hmm, i wonder if there is a way to configure that without altering the package-provided unit
2349 [19:22:21] <darkmeson> I avoid systemd-heavy approaches where possible since they're nonportable
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2352 [19:22:46] <SerajewelKS> they're becoming portable, for better or for worse... more and more distros are adopting it
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2355 [19:23:28] <darkmeson> I also have to neuter most of systemd anyway since they do so many stupidly insecure things (do 'chmod -R o-rwsx /etc/systemd', and watch the informational messages they put in the logs for instance)
2356 [19:23:48] <Abdullah> systemd is smart, I'm gonna use it an alternative for whatever I still launch from .xprofile or .xinitrc (only startx in it and source .xprofile)
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2358 [19:24:06] <darkmeson> it's basically, "there's no point trying to secure anything, because we allow everything that wants it unauthenticated access via our own apis anyway"
2359 [19:24:47] <dob1> hi, I don't understand what is happened: I connect to my linux box via ssh and the prompt is not colored anymore, ls -ls is not colored. why? I didn't modify anything. It's not the colors the problem but to understand why it's changed
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2361 [19:25:17] <darkmeson> Abdullah: get used to using 'systemd-analyze blame' then. it's SUPPOSED to be MORE parallelized, but it actually makes boot up considerably slower by waiting on slow, pointless things
2362 [19:25:22] <Abdullah> dob1: what is the output of `which ls`
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2364 [19:25:36] <dob1> Abdullah, /bin/ls
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2368 [19:26:13] <trek00> dob1: may be your TERM is set to something incompatible?
2369 [19:26:16] * darkmeson effectively has to start a ton of things from an async version of rc.local just to take systemd dependency hell out of the equation and get to a desktop in a reasonable time frame, reliably
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2373 [19:26:39] <Abdullah> I'm newb but AFAIK there is something not sourced like it should show you like, 'ls aliased to ls --color=auto'
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2376 [19:27:19] <Abdullah> dob1: trek00
2377 [19:27:30] <darkmeson> it's probably the TERM setting
2378 [19:27:31] <dob1> trek00, echo $TERM is xterm-256color
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2380 [19:27:40] <darkmeson> ok, maybe not
2381 [19:28:01] <darkmeson> try 'ls --color=always' on some dir to sanity check
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2383 [19:29:13] <jasabelle> dob1… the prompt is only colorised if your TERM has 256color in it (look at your .bash_profile/bashrc script)
2384 [19:29:53] <darkmeson> the colorized prompt logic gets confused a lot, so I usually just tuck an alias to --color=always in a system or local rc and forget about it
2385 [19:29:59] <Abdullah> using zsh, I think same works for bash as I think my alias file was written when I was on bash
2386 [19:30:05] <dob1> it's the $TERM
2387 [19:30:14] <dob1> for sure
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2389 [19:31:06] <darkmeson> there's ~/.profile, /etc/profile*, etc for cross-shell configuration too
2390 [19:31:24] <trek00> dob1: if ls --color=always does not color the output, may be the termcap is not updated
2391 [19:31:49] <Abdullah> dob1: tried their TERM and still getting ls colurized output for dirs
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2394 [19:32:14] <jasabelle> yeah but the colorised prompt comes from /etc/skel/.bashrc
2395 [19:32:40] <Abdullah> btw which terminal you're using dob1 ?
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2398 [19:34:11] <jasabelle> i'm assuming you're not using tmux or the like
2399 [19:34:14] <dob1> more informations, I got where the problem is but it's strange: I connect via putty to my linux box, there I use tmux and from there I ssh to another linux box. This one is hte one with no color
2400 [19:34:35] <jasabelle> tmux will set your TERM to screen by default
2401 [19:34:42] <jasabelle> you lose your debian provided color when it does that
2402 [19:34:42] <dob1> I changed in .tmux.conf et -g default-terminal "screen-256color"
2403 [19:34:49] <dob1> *set
2404 [19:34:56] <dob1> and it's when the problem started
2405 [19:35:21] <Abdullah> dob1: I have the same as you
2406 [19:35:26] <dob1> if I remove this line from .tmux.conf then I get the colors on the pc where I ssh (the second one) again
2407 [19:35:32] <Abdullah> I'm sure the problem is in putty :)
2408 [19:35:50] <jasabelle> your ssh client is set to bring the TERM env var over when you ssh
2409 [19:36:06] <jasabelle> check the ssh client settings on the intermediate jump box
2410 [19:36:18] <Abdullah> even if you don't set screen TERM, its by default set to it.
2411 [19:36:22] <Abdullah> in tmux
2412 [19:36:40] <dob1> infact on the ssh pc (the second one) I have xterm-256color
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2414 [19:36:54] <NetTerminalGene> guys, i read debian 10 support secure boot. does that mean you don't have to do some manual stuff?
2415 [19:37:10] <trek00> dob1: term definitions must be in sync between all the system where you are using the terminal, so if the termcap used is installed only on one system, it could lead to problems
2416 [19:37:21] <dob1> trek00, but if before ssh I do export TERM=xterm colors come back
2417 [19:37:24] <trek00> NetTerminalGene: yes, it's fully automated
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2419 [19:37:33] <NetTerminalGene> wow!
2420 [19:37:39] <Abdullah> NetTerminalGene: didn't try it yet on this install but yeah its supported
2421 [19:37:50] <jasabelle> dob1… replaced-url
2422 [19:37:50] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Yes, you can just enable secure boot, and install Debian.
2423 [19:37:58] <jasabelle> see the SendEnv section
2424 [19:37:58] <trek00> dob1: TERM is one of few environment variables passed from ssh client to server
2425 [19:38:07] <NetTerminalGene> ok
2426 [19:38:08] <dob1> trek00, it's the same
2427 [19:38:11] <dob1> jasabelle, where to look sorry?
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2429 [19:38:21] <NetTerminalGene> petn-randall, microsoft signed it?
2430 [19:38:23] <jasabelle> try ~/.ssh/config first of all
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2434 [19:38:56] <Abdullah> I use my own keys btw for secure boot.
2435 [19:39:08] <dob1> I was excpecting the reverse: I mean colors on the other ssh pcs works if TERM is xterm not if TERM is xterm-256colors it makes no sense
2436 [19:39:31] <Abdullah> The last time I was reading on secure boot, I think Ubuntu and Fedora were supported only
2437 [19:39:45] <trek00> NetTerminalGene: yes
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2439 [19:40:55] <trek00> dob1: the terminal at each system will translate from the source terminal to destination terminal, but only if both are know to the system
2440 [19:41:15] <dob1> trek00, so the target system doesn't know xterm-256color ?
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2444 [19:41:43] <trek00> dob1: yes or the intermediate system
2445 [19:41:59] <dob1> trek00, how can I make it to learn this?
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2447 [19:42:22] <dob1> it's a debian stretch
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2452 [19:43:40] <Abdullah> trek00: so microsoft also added debian in Windows as subsystem or only Ubuntu is there?
2453 [19:44:01] <trek00> dob1: on debian they are installed with ncurses-base you can check the list of supported terms with dpkg -S terminfo
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2457 [19:44:51] <trek00> Abdullah: microsoft signed some packages from debian, they not added debian to windows
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2461 [19:45:29] <dob1> trek00, I have /lib/terminfo/x/xterm-256color
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2464 [19:45:33] <Abdullah> trek00: Thanks for increasing my info :)
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2467 [19:46:08] <trek00> dob1: on both systems?
2468 [19:46:21] <trek00> Abdullah: it's a pleasure :)
2469 [19:47:13] <dob1> trek00, now I isolated the problem, I am connecting via putty to the target system (without the one in the middle), putty is setup as xterm-256color and I see not colors. I saw colors before because I was using just xterm
2470 [19:47:30] <dob1> it's strange...
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2472 [19:47:38] <trek00> dob1: may be putty: replaced-url
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2475 [19:48:07] <dob1> trek00, I have this one. putty is configured like that
2476 [19:48:45] <trek00> dob1: i would bet putty is the problem, setting TERM=xterm on putty may be it would fix it
2477 [19:48:59] <jasabelle> is vim involved?
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2479 [19:49:57] <jasabelle> vim will only set the prefix/suffix values for colors (e.g. for syntax highlighting) if TERM matches certain values
2480 [19:50:25] <trek00> jasabelle: no it has problems with ls
2481 [19:50:31] <dob1> trek00, I noticed that on .bashrc (it has to be the debian default one) there is a use_color=false
2482 [19:50:32] <trek00> he has problems
2483 [19:50:51] <dob1> but it's strange, using xterm it works...
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2486 [19:51:55] <jasabelle> have a read of ~/.bashrc
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2488 [19:52:22] <dob1> infact it works if I set it to true, but on my first ssh pc, same bashrc It is set to false....
2489 [19:52:27] <dob1> and there are colors
2490 [19:52:59] <jasabelle> i dont recall it ever being use_color
2491 [19:53:13] <dob1> I can create a pastebin
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2493 [19:53:56] <dob1> replaced-url
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2496 [19:55:07] <trek00> dob1: may be you could install ncurses-term that contains also the putty terminfo
2497 [19:55:29] <dob1> trek00, just installed
2498 [19:55:44] <dob1> it's like it doesn't understand xterm-256color
2499 [19:56:26] <trek00> dob1: with ncurses-term you can use putty-256color
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2502 [19:57:38] <dob1> it's the same
2503 [19:58:20] <trek00> dob1: sorry i have no more suggestions, use xterm :)
2504 [19:58:27] <jasabelle> that doesnt look like my .bashrc
2505 [19:58:31] <dob1> trek00, no problem
2506 [19:58:35] <dob1> thanks anyway
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2511 [19:59:24] <dob1> jasabelle, I don't remember where it comes from....
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2513 [20:00:57] <n00buser> how to reinstall xorg properly?
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2515 [20:01:02] <jasabelle> you would need to set use_color to true it seems
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2520 [20:01:42] <dob1> jasabelle, It's not true, on the pc that I use in the middle to ssh to this one with no color I have the same .bashrc and the variable is set to false and I have colors
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2525 [20:03:05] <jasabelle> the default one that comes with debian looks like this > replaced-url
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2528 [20:04:04] <jasabelle> at least with a fresh install of buste
2529 [20:04:06] <jasabelle> r
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2539 [20:08:43] <dob1> jasabelle, it's the same
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2541 [20:09:09] <jasabelle> what you pasted looks like the one that comes with archlinux
2542 [20:09:58] <dob1> I used it, maybe it comes from it
2543 [20:10:09] <dob1> or gentoo
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2551 [20:13:43] <jhutchins> vlc and libreoffice have certainly become very broad projects. Many packages to upgrade.
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2555 [20:14:42] <jhutchins> Considering libreoffice has seven menu entries, it seems like twice as manypackages.
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2557 [20:15:05] <cbthree> i installed Debian GNU/Linux 10 (Buster) on my samsung chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from built in microphone
2558 [20:15:17] <jasabelle> dob1… you'll need to figure out how color gets "enabled" on each host and how to satisfy each one
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2561 [20:16:00] <mtn> cbthree: sounds works otherwise?
2562 [20:16:19] <SerajewelKS> cbthree: check the ALSA mixer, it could be muted
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2564 [20:16:57] <cbthree> mtn, sound works fine
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2566 [20:17:07] <cbthree> SerajewelKS, it is not muted
2567 [20:17:17] <mtn> cbthree: you can also look at the input tab of pavucontrol
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2570 [20:19:16] <p90x> Hey, I have a quick qeustion about packages./
2571 [20:19:40] <p90x> If I put debs into pool, will they just install with the installer?
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2573 [20:19:58] <p90x> Or do they need to be configured in some way?
2574 [20:20:08] <SerajewelKS> AIUI no
2575 [20:20:19] <SerajewelKS> that just makes them available for installation
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2577 [20:20:50] <SerajewelKS> and you may need to update the Packages file as well (dpkg-scanpackages)
2578 [20:20:51] <p90x> So I need to edit some file to make them available for install. Cool~
2579 [20:21:19] <p90x> It would be cool to just drag and drop at some point.
2580 [20:21:27] <jasabelle> are you running a repo?
2581 [20:21:28] <SerajewelKS> just being in the pool makes them available to be installed, but they still won't be installed unless they are a dependency, essential, or part of a selected tasksel task
2582 [20:21:38] <SerajewelKS> or are manually requested, of course
2583 [20:21:45] <SerajewelKS> what are you trying to accomplish?
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2585 [20:22:01] <jasabelle> dpkg -i will install a local deb package
2586 [20:22:01] <dpkg> package will install a local deb package is already installed
2587 [20:22:05] <p90x> Just trying to fresh install with my base defaults, just a few programs.
2588 [20:22:28] <SerajewelKS> p90x: are you trying to add packages to the installer to be installed by default?
2589 [20:22:34] <SerajewelKS> because just putting them in the pool won't do that
2590 [20:22:57] <p90x> Yeah, I wanted to get it all installed in one go. I know I can do it, I just dont know how.
2591 [20:23:37] <p90x> And just throwing in the apt cache folder would make it pretty sweet in general.
2592 [20:24:02] <p90x> I thought it would just be as easy as that, guess it's time to do the work again.
2593 [20:24:04] <SerajewelKS> putting it in the apt cache folder won't accomplish anything
2594 [20:24:15] <jhutchins> p90x: That will only work if you have an earlier version installed.
2595 [20:24:25] <p90x> No, I meant drag and drop apt cache into your installer usb.
2596 [20:24:39] <SerajewelKS> ah. well that won't really work either.
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2598 [20:24:45] <jhutchins> p90x: Actually, throwing them in the cache will probably do nothing.
2599 [20:25:00] <SerajewelKS> you have to update the Packages file for the pool, and still the packages won't automatically be installed
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2602 [20:25:15] <jhutchins> p90x: You have to either explicitly install them or include them in the list of default programs to install.
2603 [20:25:29] <p90x> No, I meant throwing the cache in the installer usb that's already made. It would be cool if you could just drag and drop it into usb and then it installs by default when doing a fresh install.
2604 [20:25:32] <jhutchins> p90x: You may want to look at preseed or kickstart.
2605 [20:25:49] <SerajewelKS> p90x: indeed but that's not how it works
2606 [20:25:55] <jhutchins> p90x: That's not at all how it works.
2607 [20:26:05] <SerajewelKS> p90x: the pool is stuff that _can_ be installed, but the installer won't install stuff just because it's in there
2608 [20:26:13] <p90x> It does when you can change the modules lol
2609 [20:26:27] <p90x> Too bad it's a lexicon of confusion.
2610 [20:26:28] <jhutchins> p90x: No.
2611 [20:26:31] <SerajewelKS> p90x: you're going about this entirely the wrong way
2612 [20:26:38] <Abdullah> I hope it will work on my system with custom secure boot keys when I enable secure boot. Path is /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-secure-boot replaced-url
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2615 [20:27:03] <jhutchins> p90x: You may be confused but it's a very straight-forward process if you look at what it actually does instead of speculating.
2616 [20:27:27] <SerajewelKS> p90x: are these packages in the official debian repositories?
2617 [20:27:45] <p90x> Yeah, it never goes the way you expect. I don't know what I need to edit in the installer usb but I will see. Some programs are and aren't in the debian repo.
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2619 [20:28:16] <p90x> It's just a small few and I was also looking to edit add-ons to firefox.
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2621 [20:28:47] <SerajewelKS> are you looking to install to many computers?
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2623 [20:28:54] <p90x> I just think wasting a bunch of time downloading and pinging multiple servers is a waste of time and resources just for a fresh install.
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2625 [20:29:13] <p90x> Yeah and it's a pain in the ass on the company dime.
2626 [20:29:38] <SerajewelKS> why not just host a debian mirror at your company then
2627 [20:29:49] <SerajewelKS> for all of your internal machines
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2629 [20:30:19] <magic_ninja> When will debian get some of the newer features with nvidia optimus, I wonder?
2630 [20:30:20] <p90x> Cause the machines in question are one and I have to wipe the damn thing all the time and I don't have all the space I need or rather, hardware.
2631 [20:30:35] <SerajewelKS> p90x: are one what
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2633 [20:30:41] <p90x> Just one machine.
2634 [20:30:50] <p90x> It gets the nix treatment very often.
2635 [20:30:59] <SerajewelKS> are you saying you have to regularly re-install
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2637 [20:31:14] <p90x> How many files can you host on your hard disk? Probably not 9000000.......
2638 [20:31:40] <p90x> It's a shitty little hitachi drive that's been failing for years, too. Runs like a dream, she does.
2639 [20:31:52] <SerajewelKS> it sounded like you were going to install to dozens of systems. in that case running your own mirror is entirely feasible. you can do it on a junk system with a 500GB drive.
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2641 [20:32:13] <SerajewelKS> if it's just one machine then building your own installer is absolutely overkill
2642 [20:32:21] <SerajewelKS> !xy problem
2643 [20:32:22] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
2644 [20:32:28] <SerajewelKS> ^
2645 [20:32:43] <SerajewelKS> please tell us what the actual problem is, as specifically as possible. there is almost certainly a better solution than what you are trying to do.
2646 [20:32:48] <jasabelle> hence why i asked if they were running a repo lol
2647 [20:33:06] <jasabelle> because anything else, they're way overcomplicating
2648 [20:33:17] <p90x> It's about installing default programs from install. Just a nice simple request. I just want them to install when installing linux.
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2652 [20:34:05] <p90x> If I put the deb into pool and edit a file, then it will install. Correct?
2653 [20:34:22] <jhutchins> p90x: I use Debian for hours every day. I have four machines at home and a VM at work, and I haven't reinstalled for about four releases. It's not a problem with Debian that's causing your reinstalls.
2654 [20:34:37] <jhutchins> p90x: No. Not at all how it works.
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2657 [20:34:47] <p90x> I know, I'm like a crazy ass spider worker~
2658 [20:34:49] <Abdullah> I have signed the vmlinuz with my own keys but now secure boot isn't working
2659 [20:34:58] <p90x> It's about breaking the thing lol
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2661 [20:35:09] <SerajewelKS> p90x: you can probably use a preseed file to accomplish this. but again, i must reiterate that this approach is a bit silly for the problem you've hinted at.
2662 [20:35:18] <p90x> I break all my operating systems with viruses and malwares and just for fun sometimes.
2663 [20:35:22] <jhutchins> p90x: You have to either use preseed or kickstart to specify the programs or re-write the installer so that it requests them. It doesn't just read whatever's available.
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2665 [20:35:50] <p90x> Wow, so there's an extra third fourth and fifth steps.
2666 [20:36:03] <SerajewelKS> p90x: it's probably much simpler just to install and then take an image of the hard drive...
2667 [20:36:06] <p90x> So I need to do the clonezilla thing, then.
2668 [20:36:16] <SerajewelKS> then you can just reimage the disk to restore it
2669 [20:36:27] <jhutchins> p90x: You have the option on an advanced install to select individual packages, but the installer has to be given the metadata that apply to those packages in order to list them as available.
2670 [20:37:15] <p90x> So making your own dist is harder than making an ISO?
2671 [20:37:32] <SerajewelKS> p90x: if you're doing this often enough that you're worried about strain on the mirrors then you have a much more serious problem that needs addressing
2672 [20:37:33] <jhutchins> p90x: Also, disks don't "fail for years", they either fail or they don't.
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2674 [20:37:50] <p90x> I figured it was all plug and play. It's got issues....
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2676 [20:38:02] <SerajewelKS> and you still haven't told us what the problem actually is
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2678 [20:38:48] <SerajewelKS> the solution that you've arrived at (customize the installer) is only appropriate when you're installing to many machines and need to automate the process
2679 [20:38:58] <SerajewelKS> if this is for a single machine then customizing the installer is NOT a solution
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2681 [20:39:09] <SerajewelKS> there is some other problem that needs solving instead, but you haven't told us what that is
2682 [20:39:18] <p90x> Yeah but you don't know how many times I've broken this thing.
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2684 [20:39:33] <p90x> I don't use linux vm.
2685 [20:39:51] <p90x> I never have worked in linux vm. So I had to break it and reinstall all these years.
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2687 [20:40:00] <jhutchins> p90x: Basic hardware support in Linux is well established and has been stable for a couple of decades.
2688 [20:40:19] <p90x> I know, I'm just not a vm person............
2689 [20:40:31] <SerajewelKS> even LVM-snapshotting your base install would be a better solution than what you're proposing
2690 [20:40:32] <p90x> I inherently don't like using them.
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2692 [20:40:51] <jasabelle> why not?
2693 [20:40:57] <jhutchins> p90x: If you don't use them, how do you know? Also, how are vms relevant to this discussion?
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2695 [20:41:26] <p90x> Yeah, I don't know about true backup solutions to my linux. I would assume many of you have used linux vm to learn linux.
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2698 [20:42:19] <p90x> I used Linux as a base for my computer and it's kinda fucked up when it's all you have and you break it on purpose.
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2700 [20:42:27] <jhutchins> p90x: No, most of us used dual-boot if anything. Vms were not available when I learned it.
2701 [20:42:48] <jhutchins> p90x: I've been pure linux since 2006.
2702 [20:43:17] <p90x> Dual booting is also a nice option but it always gets messed up when you do it alone. I just got into it around 2015. I'm not the best and code is junk.
2703 [20:43:17] <jasabelle> linux in a vm isnt that different from linux on bm, esp if you're in a terminal
2704 [20:43:24] <SerajewelKS> p90x: one solution is to install into an LVM logical volume instead of a raw partition, and leave 20-30% of the VG free
2705 [20:43:35] <SerajewelKS> p90x: then when you're about to do something you know will probably break your install, create a snapshot volume
2706 [20:43:47] <SerajewelKS> p90x: then later you can merge the snapshot back into the base volume to revert all of the changes since the snapshot was taken
2707 [20:43:57] <p90x> Right, that makes more sense than an external drive.
2708 [20:44:03] <SerajewelKS> p90x: also, daily backups using something like restic or borg would be more helpful than what you're proposing with the installer
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2714 [20:44:56] <p90x> That's really helpful! Thank you. But I wanted to get something else up and running with Windows.
2715 [20:44:57] <telmac> I installed slack, when I try to log in there's a sign in button that opens the browser
2716 [20:45:13] <telmac> once I log in there, I get a little xdg-open popup... and then it like opens a new chrome window
2717 [20:45:17] <SerajewelKS> !slackware
2718 [20:45:17] <dpkg> i guess slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. replaced-url
2719 [20:45:18] <p90x> It's a good conversation though. I'm really glad I came here.
2720 [20:45:35] <telmac> no, slack the chat software
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2722 [20:45:38] <jasabelle> i think they mean the chat thing
2723 [20:45:40] <SerajewelKS> oh heh
2724 [20:45:44] <jhutchins> SerajewelKS: Slack is a chat client popular in business these days.
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2726 [20:46:09] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins: yeah i know what slack is but my brain resolved it as slackware this time since it's in linux mode at the moment
2727 [20:46:11] <jhutchins> Everybody pile on SerajewelKS
2728 [20:46:22] <p90x> You can natively run windows applications in lunix but at the cost of what? Why is it not ideal?
2729 [20:46:28] <jhutchins> SerajewelKS: Yeah, that occurred to me at first too.
2730 [20:46:45] <jhutchins> p90x: Because linux isn't windows.
2731 [20:47:06] <annadane> you can use WINE
2732 [20:47:08] <p90x> Sorry. I'm noob~
2733 [20:47:18] <jhutchins> p90x: Because many windows programs take advantage of flaws in how windows works, and those flaws aren't emulated under systems like wine.
2734 [20:47:35] <annadane> and then if wine breaks you can whine about wine
2735 [20:47:43] * annadane is contributing nothing
2736 [20:48:01] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: i resolved it as "slax", the modular live cd that *used to be* based on slackware but is apparently debian-based now
2737 [20:48:09] <jhutchins> Far better to find OS alternatives to do what you need.
2738 [20:48:32] <p90x> I heard Windows 10 can run linux codes.
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2741 [20:49:00] <SerajewelKS> p90x: there is a windows subsystem based on ubuntu, IIRC
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2743 [20:49:09] <jhutchins> p90x: They have "services for linux", which can install a linux base similar to cygwin.
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2745 [20:49:22] <jhutchins> SerajewelKS: Yeah, subsystem, not services.
2746 [20:49:25] <telmac> is there a way to find out like, when debian open
2747 [20:49:27] <telmac> er
2748 [20:49:31] <BCMM> jhutchins: wsl1 is somewhat like cygwin. wsl2 works by virtualisation
2749 [20:49:38] <BCMM> jhutchins: (so there's an actual linux kernel involved now, apparently)
2750 [20:49:47] <p90x> Cygwin had custom packages for it's installs.
2751 [20:49:57] <telmac> when chrome tries to use xdg-open, that it will print that if I invoke it fromt he terminal
2752 [20:49:57] <jasabelle> telmac… huh?
2753 [20:49:59] <trek00> cbthree: others had same problem on that hardware replaced-url
2754 [20:50:06] <mihi> wsl1 is more like wine but the other way round. Original Linux userland but a very rudimentary kernel emulation layer
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2757 [20:50:23] <BCMM> p90x: downsides of running windows applications on linux: they're mostly proprietary applications, and some of them won't quite work properly. downsides of running linux applications on w10: you're still using windows 10, with all the surveillance, broken updates, random restarts, etc.
2758 [20:50:43] <mihi> cygwin is recompiling Linux binaries to target the POSIX emulation API of Windows
2759 [20:50:58] <BCMM> mihi: that's not correct. cygwin has it's own posix translation
2760 [20:51:01] <jhutchins> There are some low level things like networking and DNS that you don't have access to running under wsl.
2761 [20:51:10] <SerajewelKS> p90x: another issue running windows stuff on linux is that a wine update can break support for programs. (though you can use source installs to stick to a specific version)
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2764 [20:51:22] <BCMM> mihi: it doesn't depend on either sfu or wsl
2765 [20:51:33] <p90x> Man, there is no middle ground in computing. Where is that all in one?
2766 [20:51:45] <jasabelle> vm's :)
2767 [20:51:47] <jhutchins> p90x: Pure linux.
2768 [20:51:55] <p90x> I guess so.
2769 [20:52:17] <p90x> Cool peeps~ You're alright.
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2771 [20:52:26] <SerajewelKS> p90x: aside from some windows-only games, i haven't needed to run windows in decades
2772 [20:52:26] <mihi> BCMM: ok, their own posix translation API, directly going to NTDLL so you can do nasty stuff like deleting the current working directory of a Win32 process :)
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2774 [20:53:12] <mihi> (my point was that it is bypassing the Win32 subsystem and its checks)
2775 [20:53:27] <p90x> Now how do you kill it?
2776 [20:53:33] <BCMM> mihi: cool, i didn't know it was independent of win32
2777 [20:53:50] <p90x> Too many viruses around here!
2778 [20:54:00] <SerajewelKS> p90x: kill what
2779 [20:54:22] <p90x> Eating up system32\\\
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2781 [20:54:27] <trek00> p90x: Universal Virus Platform (tm) :D
2782 [20:54:29] <BCMM> mihi: do you have a source for that? it seems like an... interesting way of doing thigns
2783 [20:54:31] <p90x> I don't care~
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2786 [20:54:45] <jhutchins> We seem to have wandered way astray of Debian Support here, perhaps time to move to -offtopic?
2787 [20:54:53] <BCMM> i always thought it was basically just posix, implemented in userspace on top of win32
2788 [20:54:54] <p90x> Probs
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2791 [20:55:22] <p90x> Have fun, peeps!!!!
2792 [20:55:32] <p90x> And thanks for the help.
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2794 [20:55:58] <mihi> BCMM: Run dependency walker against cygwin1.dll and observer it imports functions from NTDLL.DLL bypassing KERNEL32.DLL. NTDLL.DLL is intended to be called only by subsystem implementors (e.g. OS/2 subsystem or POSIX subsystem or Linux Subsystem).
2795 [20:56:13] <mihi> *observe
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2797 [20:57:36] <mihi> BCMM: A very good source for things like that is replaced-url
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2808 [21:03:48] <mihi> trying to get on-topic again: Does anybody know what happens to goodbye-microsoft.com (run Debian installer from within Windows)?
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2811 [21:05:32] <epsilon> is it possible to enable/disable number block on keyboard in shell, so the virtually pressing the NUM-key?
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2813 [21:06:19] <Bushmills> mihi, that one: replaced-url
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2816 [21:07:21] <trek00> epsilon: may be this will help you replaced-url
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2822 [21:08:17] <mihi> Bushmills, yes that one, but with a nice domain behind it. Apparently whoever had registered it did not want to pay for it any more...?
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2826 [21:09:04] <jhutchins> The only reason I an think of to run an installer from windows is that you're locked out of boot options and can't just run it natively.
2827 [21:09:21] <Bushmills> ah, the domain. parked, it seems.
2828 [21:09:24] <jhutchins> That seems to be unlikely to work, as how would you then boot to the new install.
2829 [21:09:54] <epsilon> trek00: package numlockx does exaclty what I need, thx!!
2830 [21:10:19] <trek00> jhutchins: may be no external drives? like a broken dvd and missing boot option for usb drives
2831 [21:13:54] <Bushmills> most BIOSses one can set initial numlock state, no extra packages needed
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2834 [21:14:24] <trek00> Bushmills: they don't get a reset at linux boot?
2835 [21:14:37] <Bushmills> really? never noticed
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2837 [21:15:01] <trek00> Bushmills: i think it's because of virtual terminals
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2849 [21:18:20] <Troyka> E ae Tchurma
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2864 [21:35:42] <ZaZaGX> lshw doesn't work
2865 [21:37:10] <rant> maybe its depressed, doesn't like its job.. having an existential crisis
2866 [21:37:18] <rant> ,file bin/lshw
2867 [21:37:24] <judd> Search for bin/lshw in buster/amd64: lshw: usr/bin/lshw
2868 [21:37:38] <rant> ,i lshw
2869 [21:37:39] <judd> Package lshw (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: information about hardware configuration. Version: 02.18.85-0.1; Size: 248.4k; Installed: 763k; Homepage: replaced-url
2870 [21:38:21] <jhutchins> Not installed by deault.
2871 [21:38:51] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
2872 [21:38:57] <ZaZaGX> i probably need to install it than
2873 [21:39:12] <jhutchins> ZaZaGX: If you want to run it, yes.
2874 [21:39:18] <ZaZaGX> or how do i know if i plug in my wifi adaptor?
2875 [21:39:37] <jhutchins> ZaZaGX: How do you not know if you do something?
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2877 [21:40:16] <ZaZaGX> i was looking for an alternative
2878 [21:40:23] <ZaZaGX> used to doing lshw
2879 [21:40:45] <jhutchins> ZaZaGX: lspci, lsusb
2880 [21:41:01] <rant> ls[tab][tab]
2881 [21:41:11] <rant> lscpu, lspci, lsusb, lsblk, etc..
2882 [21:41:41] <Bushmills> lstopo
2883 [21:41:43] <ZaZaGX> yeah i tried lsblk earlier. not sure if it picked it up
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2885 [21:41:52] <Bushmills> (from hwloc)
2886 [21:42:23] <jhutchins> ZaZaGX: I would expect lsblk to list block devices.
2887 [21:43:00] <rant> dmidecode is also nice
2888 [21:43:11] <ZaZaGX> thanks
2889 [21:43:14] <ZaZaGX> i need to go
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2916 [22:05:55] <doughy> has anyone been able to change the interface names to something you choose using udev in buster?
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2920 [22:08:50] <rant> why stop there, why not say on a tuesday, while standing on your head wearing one sock.. heh.. or y'know just ask how to make a custom interface name
2921 [22:09:38] <SerajewelKS> doughy: i believe the correct way in buster is using systemd .link units
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2923 [22:09:49] <Bushmills> doughy: yes
2924 [22:10:09] <doughy> can you help me out bushmills? I've been trying since last night
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2926 [22:10:51] <doughy> systemd .link units
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2928 [22:10:55] <doughy> do tell
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2930 [22:11:22] <Bushmills> replaced-url
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2933 [22:12:18] <Bushmills> i didn't use systemd because systemd scares me
2934 [22:12:21] <doughy> I've followed those instructions and can get my interfaces named the old way (eth0, eth1, etc) but I want my interfaces to be named something I choose (lan0, wan0)
2935 [22:12:38] <doughy> systemd fails to start when I change the interface names
2936 [22:13:21] <trek00> doughy: fails with what message?
2937 [22:15:13] <rant> doughy: are you using systemd-networkd or network-manager?
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2939 [22:16:42] <doughy> restarting networking (via systemctl): networking.serviceJob for networking serivce failed
2940 [22:17:51] <rant> doughy: the systemd .link file method is to create a file like /etc/systemd/network/80-lan.link with [Match] \n MACAddress=00:00:00:00:00:00 \n [Link] \n Name=lan and you'll probably need to update-initramfs -u and then reboot
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2942 [22:18:33] <rant> doughy: if that method should work for you in buster, let us know.. and if you are using network manager or systemd-networkd or such
2943 [22:18:47] <doughy> I believe it's systemd
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2946 [22:19:02] <rant> debian doesn not use networkd by default
2947 [22:19:28] <doughy> what is the default?
2948 [22:19:47] <Mechanoid> SYSTEMD SUCKS SO MUCH BALLS THAT MAGIC MIKE MADE IT!!!!! AND WHEN I SAY THIS I AM TOTALLY NOT LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2950 [22:20:01] <doughy> I don't like it either mechanoid
2951 [22:20:18] <doughy> too much confusion
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2953 [22:20:32] <rant> if you have a DE installed its usually network-manager or wicd depending on which desktop, but if not, then there is nothing doing it.. its just old fashioned init script style crap.. ifupdown afaik
2954 [22:20:37] <doughy> make something that works, make it simple and stick with it
2955 [22:21:15] <trek00> doughy: may be it works in a parallel universe..
2956 [22:21:26] <doughy> lol
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2958 [22:21:28] <rant> but I know there was a serious bug in systemd's networkd recently and debian wasn't affected cause we don't use it
2959 [22:21:33] <doughy> send me to that parellel universe in that case
2960 [22:21:38] <trek00> ;)
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2962 [22:22:31] <trek00> doughy: let's check if you are using network-manager, at shell do: dpkg -l | grep network-manager
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2964 [22:23:04] <doughy> it is using network-manager
2965 [22:23:10] <doughy> at least that's installed
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2967 [22:23:40] <ZaZaGX> hi
2968 [22:23:42] <SerajewelKS> network-manager isn't in charge of _naming_ the interface, though
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2970 [22:23:55] <SerajewelKS> doughy: replaced-url
2971 [22:23:59] <trek00> doughy: i don't use it, but it should have logs somewhere.. (may be /var/log?)
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2973 [22:24:27] <trek00> SerajewelKS: not, but when interface got renamed, network-manager fails to start
2974 [22:24:30] <crestfallen> hi I have this cool tool to paste files directly from the cli. it's called ptpb.pw . I just reinstalled curl but it doesn't work now. also another one called sprunge.us is returning html code and won't generate the url. any other options along these lines? thanks
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2977 [22:24:55] <doughy> Serajewalks: I'll look at that and let you know if it works
2978 [22:24:58] <doughy> thanks for the help
2979 [22:25:04] <crestfallen> or I'm I missing something (fresh reinstall of curl just now)
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2982 [22:26:34] <trek00> crestfallen: replaced-url
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2985 [22:27:49] <trek00> crestfallen: replaced-url
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2987 [22:28:47] <karlpinc> !pastebinit
2988 [22:28:47] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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2990 [22:29:43] <crestfallen> trek00, thanks! checking those
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2992 [22:30:10] <trek00> crestfallen: check pastebinit as karlpinc said
2993 [22:30:28] <crestfallen> karlpinc, thanks as well
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2998 [22:31:17] <doughy> is it possible to configure an interface with a specific name by configuring and installing a new kernel?
2999 [22:31:22] <yetoo> I'm getting an error saying gpg couldn't validate the relase when using win32-loader.exe
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3003 [22:32:05] <trek00> doughy: it seems the issue is @ network-manager level, not kernel
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3006 [22:34:50] <crestfallen> karlpinc, any way to tweak that app to just have numbered file without all the debian stuff ?
3007 [22:35:05] <crestfallen> like raw file
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3010 [22:36:23] <trek00> doughy: with network-manager it seems a little bit complicated replaced-url
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3012 [22:37:35] <crestfallen> thanks scratch that it looks fine karlpinc
3013 [22:38:22] <at0m> doughy: replaced-url
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3015 [22:38:52] <trek00> at0m: he asked for a custom interface name, not the predictable one
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3018 [22:39:26] <at0m> "interface with a specific name" couldn't make that up
3019 [22:39:52] <trek00> at0m: sorry, the conversation started before
3020 [22:40:04] <ZaZaGX> how do i copy and paste a file as root in /etc/ ?
3021 [22:40:19] <at0m> trek00: ok i'm late to the party indeed
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3023 [22:40:55] <hypn0> ZaZaGX: sudo <filemanager> ?
3024 [22:41:02] <at0m> ouch
3025 [22:41:09] <trek00> ZaZaGX: sudo cp -i /path/to/file /etc
3026 [22:41:10] <ZaZaGX> i can't do sudo in debian 10, i can only do su
3027 [22:41:35] <ZaZaGX> oh ok
3028 [22:41:44] <trek00> ZaZaGX: su - (su space minus) and then cp -i /path/to/file /etc
3029 [22:41:54] <at0m> don't do graphical stuff as root anyhow, root has no business on desktop IMO
3030 [22:42:14] <trek00> ZaZaGX: then remember to exit from su if you don't want type others commands as root
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3032 [22:42:48] <at0m> often, to preserve file permissions in /etc/, as root (su - indeed) i cat /path/to/edited/file > /etc/dest/file
3033 [22:43:12] <at0m> that prevents changing permissions on /etc/dest/file
3034 [22:43:40] <trek00> ZaZaGX: if dest file already exist, at0m answer is better
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3037 [22:44:09] <at0m> and even cp /etc/dest/file /etc/dest/file.bak first
3038 [22:44:35] <ZaZaGX> okay thanks it works
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3051 [22:50:10] <ZaZaGX> great
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3055 [22:50:23] <ZaZaGX> i can't make a damn directory in the /etc
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3061 [22:51:08] <ZaZaGX> oh nvm, i got it
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3095 [23:08:11] <yetoo> anybody knows how to resolve downloaded release file could not be trusted error with win32-loader.exe
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3099 [23:10:03] <Bushmills> deleting the untrusted file should help
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3101 [23:10:32] <yetoo> it deletes itself after the install is aborted
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3106 [23:11:13] <Bushmills> self destroying untrusted installers. interesting. "leave no evident traces"
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3110 [23:13:32] <GigaFlow> guys, I updated yesterday and now I have about 450 packages that "can be updated" but "didn't updated"
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3112 [23:14:31] <Bushmills> how did you try to update? apt? apt-get? aptitude?
3113 [23:14:36] <GigaFlow> apt
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3116 [23:14:48] <coruja> which debian release?
3117 [23:14:56] <ZaZaGX> how do i copy a .dat file into /etc folder as root?
3118 [23:15:03] <Bushmills> try aptitude for it's conflict handling capabilities
3119 [23:15:28] <Bushmills> may be more evident what happens, and will give you choices how to deal with it
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3121 [23:15:36] <GigaFlow> yesterday it was 9, now - dunno
3122 [23:15:52] <coruja> GigaFlow, can we see your sources.list?
3123 [23:15:56] <Bushmills> what distro is that, btw?
3124 [23:16:07] <Habbie> ZaZaGX, 'sudo cp', but why do you want this?
3125 [23:16:08] <Bushmills> buster doesn't have 450 upgradable packages
3126 [23:16:09] <GigaFlow> I just switched every "stretch" to "buster" and started upgrading
3127 [23:16:14] <coruja> i guess it's a stretch->buster problem
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3129 [23:16:23] <GigaFlow> also I had several "already in the package, so no isntallation"
3130 [23:16:45] <coruja> GigaFlow, and paste the complete apt output please
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3132 [23:16:48] <Bushmills> did you apt full-upgrade ?
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3136 [23:17:20] <GigaFlow> sorry, it's on another machine
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3140 [23:17:55] <GigaFlow> should I duplicate sources/list entries with "stretch"?
3141 [23:18:57] <Bushmills> you change to buster, apt update, apt full-upgrade
3142 [23:19:00] <coruja> if you want to upgrade to buster, replace every 'stretch' with 'buster' in your sources.list
3143 [23:19:23] <Bushmills> then you pray
3144 [23:19:25] <trek00> yetoo: may be it has uefi secure boot enabled?
3145 [23:20:04] <yetoo> it does, however I don't see how the gpg key can fail from that
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3147 [23:20:50] <trek00> yetoo: at which point it fails? it boots linux?
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3149 [23:21:44] <ZaZaGX> ah oh, it says no such File or directory
3150 [23:21:53] <yetoo> at the very beginning when still booted into windows and starts downloading the files needed for installation, it fails when it tries to validate the release file
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3152 [23:22:02] <ZaZaGX> cp: cannot stat
3153 [23:23:28] <Habbie> ZaZaGX, you haven't answered "why" and you're also not giving us enough information to debug your cp error
3154 [23:24:04] <ZaZaGX> need to install wifi drivers for new wifi adapter
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3156 [23:24:58] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
3157 [23:25:27] <ZaZaGX> i'm on the end of 2)
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3161 [23:27:57] <ZaZaGX> # cp -i /etc/RT287OSTA.dat /etc/Wirless/RT287OSTA/RT287OSTA.dat
3162 [23:27:58] <ZaZaGX> cp: cannot stat '/etc/RT287OSTA.dat': No such file or directory
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3164 [23:28:09] <Bushmills> support for rt2870 is in firmware-misc-nonfree
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3166 [23:31:14] <trek00> yetoo: may be win32-loader is bugged, as i found similar reports, is possible to install via usb/cd/dvd on your computer?
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3170 [23:31:36] <maxrazer> Has anyone tried the "surf" browser/package? It just crashes when you try to go to any address.
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3174 [23:33:23] <yetoo> Yes, I'm trying to test its behavior, I'm trying to modify it so that it can install freebsd instead of debian and trying to get a grasp of how it functions, but its fine if it doesn't work now
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3178 [23:34:53] <trek00> yetoo: i don't know what to check, may be debian signing keys are outdated, or the call to gpg is broken..
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3186 [23:43:28] <yetoo> I used the installer earlier this year to install 32 bit version of debian on a computer with Windows XP that had issues booting from cd and usb. Except that I used a usb rather than the lone executable. The release of the executable is from January 17th 2019, so maybe that has to do with it, but the thing is Release and Release.gpg are in the same directory at replaced-url
3187 [23:43:28] <yetoo> replaced-url
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3198 [23:48:35] <trek00> yetoo: it seems debian signing keys are embedded in win32-loader and last debian-archive-keyring was updated on 2019-04-23, may be this is the issue, but you should check at the source
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3212 [23:59:52] <trek00> yetoo: may be simpler than I thought: if you rebuild the package (dpkg-buildpackage) it should dowload updated version of the keyring: if this is the issue, please to submit a bug report to debian
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