106[00:41:06] <hatter_> I have noticed in dmesg and on the console, hard disk errors like this show up : ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x4000 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
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108[00:41:19] <hatter_> How do I get these messages to log to syslog ?
131[00:53:51] <crestfallen> hi would using ' sudo apt-get install snapd ' be a valid and safe way to install bitcoin core app .. on debian 9 64bit? thanks
132[00:54:14] <crestfallen> snap .. I've never used it to install anything
143[01:00:56] <dvs> doughy, by editing your /etc/network/interfaces file to include a "iface xxxx inet static" clause in it, followed by an address and netmake line
144[01:01:04] <doughy> yeah, I did that
145[01:01:31] <doughy> I tried doing it through network manager too on the desktop
201[01:38:33] <m0rd3cai> Has anyone had any issues with Xwindows display and kernel 4.9.0.9-amd64? When i boot it will show the windows but no buttons to close windows nor does anything respond except opening a terminal. I can't even type there. Had to boot 4.9.0.8 just to get the machine back up.
235[01:54:01] <joepublic> quoting eric raymond at the ready. not bad.
236[01:54:38] <annadane> debian is a good operating system for anybody for many purposes, not just "hacking". so, sure, install debian because it's awesome, not too sure about the hacking bit
237[01:55:06] <annadane> a chat room can't teach you
243[01:57:29] <klys> zazagx, but you want to learn to code hacks?
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245[01:58:40] <joepublic> I was inferring "zazagx wants to know what it takes to be an elite hacker" no reason specified; you seem to be inferring "ha! I know why this person wants to know that. They, themselves, want to learn 'code hacks'!"
246[01:58:56] <joepublic> interesting.
247[01:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1526
248[01:59:09] <LtL> No troll feeding rule is in effect last I heard.
249[01:59:13] <klys> hacking is an intelligent and useful activity.
260[02:01:06] *** Quits: de-facto (~de-facto@replaced-ip) (Quit: See you around.)
261[02:01:15] <klys> ^
262[02:01:28] <annadane> people want to learn "how to hack" without asking themselves the (necessary) corollary question, "won't this get me into trouble?"
263[02:01:29] <joepublic> crack is "commit a crime, usually that of unauthorized access"
265[02:01:58] <annadane> if you want to hack and face the consequences, go right ahead, but that means you're an industrious sort of person who likely wouldn't poke around IRC channels asking how to do it
266[02:02:48] <LtL> doughy: i do believe if network-manager is running it will ignore anything set in /etc/network/interfaces and the latter is what you want to set static although it may be doable with NM.
267[02:03:07] <doughy> I read the same thing
268[02:03:12] <dvs> LtL, he's been told that
269[02:03:33] <LtL> dvs: i see, my mistake, thanks.
270[02:03:35] <doughy> something's changed since last debian install I had
271[02:03:49] <doughy> something in 10
272[02:03:56] <dvs> doughy, run "ip link"
273[02:04:10] <joepublic> I think networkmanager was introduced with jessie?
274[02:04:26] <doughy> I don't remember code names just the numbers
321[02:26:02] <dvs> joepublic, wait until the next release, you'll be on target every time!
322[02:26:41] <klys> this afternoon I installed a 4-port rtl8111h, and it gave me a firmware error, so I had to install the latest firmware-realtek from non-free.
323[02:26:49] <doughy> ok so I got that to work. I thought I'd let you know in case someone else has this problem
350[02:44:12] <ZaZaGX> i gotta admit. The installer has more options and it seems to take longer to install in Debian compared to Ubuntu
351[02:44:48] <jim> coffeecow, debian installing is pretty easy... does the machine have a wireless card?
352[02:44:49] <coffeecow> I'm not sure if I'm being overly paranoid tho... not totally sold on moving over to debian. I haven't used it in years. I've used BSD and Linux for like 10 years.
353[02:45:00] <coffeecow> Yes it's a thinkpad, a recent one; x390.
354[02:45:19] <jim> coffeecow, do you have some free disk space?
355[02:45:20] <ZaZaGX> what kind of wireless card?
358[02:46:16] <jim> coffeecow, if you're runnng linux now, could you run... lspci -nn | grep -i net # and look at the output
359[02:46:51] <jim> coffeecow, you're looking for the pciid, which looks like this: [1234:abcd]
360[02:47:48] <jim> how many lines do you get from that?
361[02:47:49] *** js is now known as js__
362[02:48:11] <ZaZaGX> well, if you want, you can download the firmware with Debian. so it'll be like an Ubuntu install. it'll just work with the wifi card
441[03:15:18] <doughy> I'm putting debian on two different PCs and one has ens4 and eno1, the ohter is like what you're getting
442[03:16:58] <jim> doughy, if the debian installer can see the cards, it will write the /etc/network/interfaces file for you, no need to bother with it, I guess
505[03:53:51] <ZaZaGX> if i want to use debian testing. how do i do it? should i just upgrade from command line or download the iso? i can't find the link to download the iso
506[03:55:03] <dvs> !iyhtays ZaZaGX
507[03:55:03] <dpkg> ZaZaGX: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't.
559[04:37:18] <rant> alex89: you don't have a problem with MTP, MTP has a problem with MTP.. its trash..
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561[04:37:41] <rant> alex89: for small transfers I put the phone in photos mode but as a general rule ADB is the way to go
562[04:38:18] <rant> in photos mode you'll often get an error dialog about unable to start the camera.. but the files will be visible and it'll mostly work
563[04:38:26] <alex89> so i need to do it in command line ?
564[04:38:34] * dvs just transfers the files because I'm reckless!
565[04:38:41] <rant> you can, but not necessarily..
566[04:38:49] <rant> alex89: what is your use case.. what sort of thing are you typically doing?
567[04:39:05] <rant> I just wrote my father a little script to pull stuff off his device
568[04:39:19] <alex89> i just need to do a backup of the files in my phone (OnePlus6T) to my computer (Debian 10 Buster)
569[04:39:36] <rant> ah, well for a large grab and adb pull is best, yes
570[04:39:53] <rant> if you do it often and want to simplify it, its not difficult to make a helper script to suit your needs
571[04:40:11] <rant> adb is not only faster but its more reliable and less error prone
576[04:41:14] <KNERD> With the typical open source project, you extract the project files, and for the most part just do -> configure make & make install. How could I just make the excutable binary?
577[04:41:28] <rant> you'll need to go into your settings on android, to the About Phone section, and click like 9 times on the build number to enable developer mode and then you'll have a developer options in the settings where you can enable ADB then you install adb with apt
578[04:42:00] <rant> then you'll need to authorize the computer's rsa id to access the phone over adb.. when you first try to connect
579[04:42:09] <rant> a dialog will appear on the android
581[04:42:37] <alex89> I have done all of that but i get stuck in what command i need to type ...
582[04:42:41] <rant> KNERD: thats what the make step does
583[04:42:59] <rant> alex89: do you know the path of the dir you want to pull? sounds like you want all of /sdcard
584[04:43:14] <rant> alex89: which would be "adb pull /sdcard" which will pull all to the current directory
585[04:43:41] <rant> alex89: if you dont know the path you can do adb shell and look around on the device to figure it out run df or such see the mount points and use ls
586[04:44:23] <KNERD> rant: make , makes object files, not executables
587[04:44:52] <dvs> ???
588[04:45:19] <KNERD> rant: i have seen examples of people running gcc on those files, but I am seeing multiple ones
589[04:45:32] <rant> KNERD: it compiles whatever there is typically if not sounds like the makefiles arent correct.. but there is also something called checkinstall which you can use to wrap the process and make a deb package out of it
590[04:45:38] <alex89> it work thanks, i just have a problem with a folder named A.0 Home it says adb: error: failed to stat remote object '/storage/emulated/0/A.0': No such file or directory
591[04:46:57] <rant> alex89: idk, try adb shell, do some ls -l /storage/emulated/0/A.0 or file /storage/emulated/0/A.0 for some clues
593[04:47:15] <rant> could be its a dangling symlink, not a regular file, or perhaps a permission issue
594[04:48:21] <jim> ZaZaGX, maybe you could make a copy of your stable debian and upgrade the copy
595[04:49:49] <ZaZaGX> like you mean install it on a different partition?
596[04:49:57] <rant> KNERD: typically the configure step configures the source/makefiles, make builds and links everything producing not only objects but executables, and make install moves everything to the proper locations on the system
597[04:50:35] <alex89> Problem solved, i just rename it to Home much more simplier. Thanks for your help
601[04:51:38] <rant> no problem.. android is annoying.. the removal of USB Mass Storage mode and the whole MTP and media scanner daemons and shit are a hot mess
602[04:51:48] <rant> ADB is the closest thing to a sane way to transfer data
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604[04:53:53] <rant> there are a lot of adb filemanagers out there but they've all become abandonware.. idk why someone hasnt continued to develop such things
612[04:57:25] <rant> I haven't really tested them extensively I just use whatever works.. but I dont really trust android as far as I can throw it.. I currently just have a Galaxy S7 I just use as a mobile pc to save power to do simple things like reading ebooks, listening to music, watching shows, etc.. I have no sim in it, keep it in airplane mode with all the radios off :P
618[04:59:15] <rant> there is #android and the folks in #h3droid are very nice and knowledgeable folk.. they develop an android version for the allwinner h3 found on many of the orange pi boards.. if you were to get one and help them test I'm sure they'd love you for it.. and they are very helpful in all things android
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633[05:10:28] <KNERD> forget spyingware Android. Something new and open sourece is coming out at the end of the year. The Pine Phone with different Linux based OSes you will be easilly install like any Raspberry Pi
663[05:43:34] <jim> Mr_Queue, by not having that file/
664[05:43:35] <jim> ?
665[05:43:48] <rant> KNERD: I haven't heard of it, but I won't hold my breath.. Saygus, Librem, etc have been promising open mobile platforms for years.. I've yet to see it
684[05:59:02] <rant> KNERD: you can always follow up on #debian-offtopic as this is not really on topic here.. but the issue with most these efforts seems to be govt regulations and such
773[06:52:51] <dfcnvt> It was never like that long before I remember using terminal many time. Untils this recent month ago. I didn't mind or pay any attention until I starts to realize it.
860[07:49:28] <friendlyGoat> god im sorry, i wrote down what to do if another power outage happened cause i didnt want to bother anybody but holy fuck my electricity went out again. im trying to fix my DNS resolving thing AGAIN and nothing in my note i made is working to fix it
861[07:50:15] <friendlyGoat> i deleted resolv.conf, recreated it with nameserver 127.0.0.1 in it and its just, not resolving at all
862[07:50:24] <friendlyGoat> gonna try fixing things on my own but godd what a bother
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895[08:00:07] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: you should probably use a proper solution, like ayekat suggests
896[08:00:15] <friendlyGoat> also i have no idea why, its just that whenever the power goes out it fucks up my resolving.
897[08:00:20] <friendlyGoat> and yeah i should look into it.
898[08:00:27] <alkisg> You have network manager AND resolvconf and possibly systemd-resolved, and you manually edit resolv.conf? :)
899[08:00:29] <ayekat> diogenes_: then I'd be *very* interested in seeing their setup, because with resolvconf and NM running, I can't see how resolv.conf will remain untouched
901[08:01:24] <diogenes_> ayekat, ask friendlyGoat to give some outputs.
902[08:01:58] <ayekat> friendlyGoat: would you mind posting your personal "note" that you've made on this issue?
903[08:04:03] <ayekat> (note that I know neither resolvconf nor NM very well, but fiddling around with resolv.conf manually is rarely a clean solution)
936[08:10:33] <friendlyGoat> thanks! also i have resolvconf for pihole
937[08:11:12] <alkisg> When resolvconf is used, resolv.conf is a symlink: /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
938[08:11:27] <alkisg> So that resolvconf picks up the dns from network manager, and updates it properly
939[08:12:05] <alkisg> Nowadays, systemd-resolved is used instead, as a superset of resolvconf, and the file is a symlink to: /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
950[08:14:53] <diogenes_> but no major distros do.
951[08:15:50] <ayekat> well, users are free to configure their setups however they like (and I chose to replace ifupdown with networkd) :-)
952[08:16:15] <ayekat> but anyway - there shouldn't be any reason to manually touch /etc/resolv.conf
953[08:17:40] <diogenes_> that doesn't harm and fixed his issue.
954[08:17:52] <alkisg> diogenes_: by default, debian doesn't use resolvconf nor systemd-networkd. But when one needs resolvconf to manage DNS on a per-link basis, why wouldn't he use systemd-networkd instead, since he's going to select one of them?
956[08:18:17] <alkisg> If he has hardcoded DNS, it cancels resolvconf, it's like he didn't install it in the first place
957[08:18:25] <ayekat> diogenes_: it only "fixes" it for now, but who knows when it will break again, and I think it makes sense to understand why such a hacky workaround is necessary in the first place
958[08:18:50] <diogenes_> alkisg, that's what i meant, by default no one uses it, only if someone wants to tinker something specifically, he is free to choose whatever he wants.
959[08:20:45] <diogenes_> ayekat, i gave his a quick solution to fix the issue right now and i never claimed it was the ultimate solution and besides, i was waiting for other more advaced specialist than i to step in and try to resolv the core of the issue and since nobody bothered to troubleshoot the core of the problem, it is what it is so, if you can fix his core issue then go ahead.
960[08:21:10] <alkisg> diogenes_: what I'm saying is, the method you proposed, invalidates his setup. He no longer uses resolvconf anymore, since he removed the resolvconf symlink
961[08:21:25] <alkisg> So he *thinks* he's using resolvconf, but he isn't
962[08:21:28] <diogenes_> alkisg, yeah read what i just said.
963[08:22:08] <diogenes_> go ahead and fix his core problem instead of commenting on my solution.
964[08:22:24] <alkisg> Sure; hopefully friendlyGoat will understand that he still has an issue to resolve (no pun intended); I see he lost interest in this :D
965[08:22:30] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, are you still there?
971[08:23:32] * diogenes_ waits for the process to take on
972[08:23:53] <ayekat> diogenes_: I was merely commenting because the discussion kinda went into "oh, it fixed it, thanks!" and there was no followup whatsoever à la "warning! this is only a workaround, and this should definitely be fixed"
975[08:24:47] <diogenes_> ayekat, and your comments are irrelevant when they are addressed to me because i did what i could, your questions should be addressed towards the user with the issue.
976[08:24:48] <ayekat> also again, I can't help debug this, because I use neither NM nor resolvconf
977[08:24:59] <diogenes_> and no warning there since it doesn't break anything.
978[08:25:22] <friendlyGoat> alright so i have to make a symlink? /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf yeah?
979[08:25:29] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: no
980[08:25:45] <alkisg> If you want to properly resolv this, please explain first why and how you're using resolvconf
981[08:25:59] <alkisg> You have a pihole somewhere in your local network?
982[08:26:05] <alkisg> Or you have it installed in this host?
983[08:26:16] <friendlyGoat> pihole is on this host
984[08:26:47] <ayekat> diogenes_: but it leaves the user in a situation where they wrongfully believe it's fixed "until the next blackout", so pointing that out explicitly seems necessary to me
985[08:26:49] <alkisg> Is this a raspberry pi with raspbian?
986[08:27:12] <friendlyGoat> nope this is debian on an older machine of mine
987[08:27:15] <ayekat> (but I don't want to argue, we are not contributing to solving, so I'm gonna stop)
988[08:27:30] <alkisg> Debian 10?
989[08:27:39] <diogenes_> ayekat, no buts there, you have no right to say "but" unless you have a better solution, you don't understand what i'm saying.
992[08:28:47] <alkisg> I don't know pihole. I'm guessing that it's using resolvconf to manage DNS on a per link basis.
993[08:28:58] <alkisg> Does this file contain your dns servers? cat /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
994[08:29:07] <friendlyGoat> yep, resolvconf if a requirement. also let me check real quick
995[08:29:09] <ayekat> diogenes_: no, the problem is on different layers - it's fine to help out and give a solution, even if it's not permanent - but it's necessary to point out that it's a temporary solution
1001[08:30:00] <friendlyGoat> yep that file exists but theres nothing in it
1002[08:30:21] <friendlyGoat> (BRB)
1003[08:30:30] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: you *might* need to first create the symlink and then restart resolvconf/network-manager for this file to be populated,
1004[08:30:46] <diogenes_> ayekat, it is relevant because you don't know the problem, you don't know how to troubleshoot it, you don't know nm, you don't know resolconf and as a result you can't even judge whether it's a permanent solution or not.
1005[08:30:53] <ayekat> diogenes_: I just stepped in because "edit resolv.conf" - "it's fixed!" - (no follow-up), so I made a comment pointing out the issue
1006[08:31:07] <alkisg> which would be: sudo ln -sf ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf && ...best reboot, to be really sure it works or not,
1007[08:31:28] <ayekat> diogenes_: I don't need to know NM or resolvconf to judge that manually modifying /etc/resolv.conf is not a permanent solution
1008[08:31:32] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: but if this command doesn't fix your dns, then pihole does more tricky things, in which case you'd ask in #pihole instead of #debian
1009[08:31:46] <diogenes_> ayekat, and that's more relevant than yor comment because the user has internet right now and if it was stuck with ou helping him, he wouldn't have any positive reult bby niw.
1015[08:33:04] <diogenes_> and i know that in a normal setup you don't edit resol.conf but i told you, in this particular case it's ok to od it.
1016[08:33:09] <ayekat> diogenes_: it's permanent *by accident*, doesn't mean it's fixed - and again, I'm not criticising the help - I was just pointing a flaw based on my understanding, and now I'm suddenly getting all the flack
1017[08:33:21] <alkisg> diogenes_: ayekat is right; helping users is something to be proud of; all of us here trying to help others are good people trying to do the right thing; but, notifying that "this solution isn't proper, it's just a workaround" is also necessary, and users may choose to not do anything more anyway
1021[08:35:30] <diogenes_> ayekat, alkisg hehe you're trying to look politically correct now or what? so the issue is that i didn't mention it's a temporary solution? show me the regulations that i have to say that or mention anything or something like that and prove it's wrong, and also i'm still waiting for youboth to fix his issue once and forever.
1024[08:36:28] <alkisg> diogenes_: nah, I'm trying to prevent 2 good people from fighting regarding "how to best help others"; it's silly to hurt someone's feelings when he's trying to help
1025[08:36:43] <alkisg> I know the feeling, that's way I wrote that previous sentence, not to be politically correct
1026[08:37:17] <alkisg> *why
1027[08:37:51] <diogenes_> and did i argue about anything in the first place, i gave the advice i knew and i was minding my own business until someone tried to tell me i'm wrong because bla bla bla without either corecting me or giving an elternative solution.
1037[08:40:11] <ayekat> diogenes_: I just reread the conversation, and nowhere did I point out you were wrong
1038[08:40:35] <ayekat> I just noted that it's not a permanent solution, because that wasn't mentioned anywhere
1039[08:41:16] <diogenes_> ayekat, the only thing i'm obliged to do, is not to harm the user that's all, all other stuff like mentioning this or that is not my business.
1040[08:41:57] <ayekat> diogenes_: that's correct, but getting all defensive when someone points out a flaw is not really helping anyone either
1044[08:43:28] <diogenes_> ayekat, this "flow' is not a flaw but an opinion which is not even a technical one and opinions are different from person to person and you was tryung to say that your opinion is the right one and i disagree because i have mine.
1045[08:43:46] <ayekat> what
1046[08:43:51] <ayekat> this is silly now
1047[08:43:54] <ayekat> have a nice day
1048[08:44:00] <diogenes_> you too
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1054[08:50:44] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: note that this is a suggestion on how it would solve the problem with resolvconf. If pihole is doing more weird stuff, it might again break your dns, in which case you'll need to hardcode it again etc like diogenes_ said, and ask help from #pihole,
1055[08:50:59] <alkisg> so, the command is: sudo ln -sf ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
1063[08:53:33] <finn0> In a fresh installation of Debian which is file provided by default? (~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile). AFAIR, ~/.profile is present in the home directory why is so?
1064[08:54:25] <klys> one style for user and the other for root
1065[08:54:38] <alkisg> finn0: many packages may put things in /etc/skel; those are copied to home dirs when users are created
1066[08:54:47] <alkisg> So you can just ls -lha /etc/skel
1070[09:00:30] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: nothing, does dns work?
1071[09:00:30] <finn0> okay, Debian provides ~/.profile. Since, Debian default shell is bash and bash looks for file in this /etc/profile -> ~/.bash_profile, and if finds it, it read that. If not, look for ~/.bash_login, and if it doesn't find that, look inot ~/.profile otherwise stop searching.
1072[09:00:45] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: does `cat /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf` have things?
1078[09:02:29] <finn0> If ~/.bash_profile is found, bash stops looking for files. Am I correct? And why does Debian provide ~/.profile instead ~/.bash_profile? Is there any specific reason?
1079[09:02:59] <ayekat> finn0: because ~/.profile is sourced by all kinds of shells, so it makes sense to provide a generic file rather than a bash-specific one
1080[09:03:28] <ayekat> finn0: also, it reads ~/.bash_profile no matter what /etc/profile says (but otherwise your observation there is in line with what bash(1) says)
1084[09:06:39] <ayekat> to be honest, I think bash's sequence of sourcing files is pretty weird, but I guess we're a couple of decades too late to change that now ^^
1179[09:57:34] <centrix> I have removed all samba packages plus all "unnecessary" package apt reports about. The installed all the samba packages again but got:
1240[10:18:10] <half-beard> ratrace, are you around bud? I finished installing buster last night. A very simple installation. Just grub-pc on ext4 in it's own partition, luks on another partition with ext4 / inside it, debootstrapped. Setup fstab, passwd tasksel standard etc, linux-image, installed cryptsetup-initramfs I setup /etc/crypttab ran update-initramfs -u and grub-update etc. There were no errors. Grub is installed, but it says it cannot find the UUID of my
1241[10:18:10] <half-beard> ext4 partition. The initramfs or grub is not using cryptsetup to decrypt my luks.
1242[10:19:32] <half-beard> oh shit. I think I forgot to bind mount /boot!
1257[10:23:43] <ratrace> make sure you check boot/grub/grub.cfg if it points at correct uuids for both the device containing /boot and for rootfs itself
1258[10:23:44] <half-beard> oh, I see what you're saying
1259[10:23:54] <ratrace> half-beard: you can mount /mnt/boot even from outside the chroot
1260[10:23:59] <half-beard> yes. That's probably the problem
1261[10:24:08] <half-beard> yes, i understand what you meant now.
1262[10:24:10] <ratrace> inside the chroot, you see all the real mountpoints via /proc/mounts
1263[10:24:41] <half-beard> ratrace, I've seen people doing fancy switches to update-initramfs. I normally just do -u. But I've seen people mentioning -k and -v etc
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1265[10:25:15] <half-beard> is there anything special I need to do now besides mount boot properly and then update-initramfs?
1272[10:26:59] <half-beard> or should it happen automatically by virtue of the fact that I've got the cryptsetup-initramfs package installed and /etc/crypttab done?
1274[10:27:16] <half-beard> okay will redo with /boot mounted and re-check.
1275[10:27:43] <half-beard> /boot was NOT mounted when I did this last night. So that's probably the only thing that was wrong.
1276[10:28:02] <ratrace> "search" should contain the uuid of the ext4 containing /boot, and "linux" line should have root=UUID=<uuid of ext4 root which is insde the luks container>
1277[10:28:23] <ratrace> then crypttab should have the uuid of the partition that's the luks container itself, in the second column
1278[10:28:39] <ratrace> fstab / either by uuid or /dev/mapper/ name
1279[10:28:46] <ratrace> (which is the first column of crypttab)
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1286[10:30:26] <ratrace> half-beard: cryptsetup-initramfs should make sure initramfs contains all the required hooks and scripts to unlock the container
1299[10:32:46] <centrix> alkisg, I am bit under pressure so I grabbed /var/lib/samba /run/samba from the working box and replaced in the failing. Now at least smbd starts without complains. I'll see what comes next (AD join ...)
1300[10:32:46] <ratrace> yeah... but wait... uh... i think you actually need to reinstall the versioned linux-image- packages
1309[10:33:52] <ratrace> linux-image-amd64 is a metapackage
1310[10:34:32] <ratrace> oh but careful, if that's within chroot, that uname -r might be wrong, so just make sure it's linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 for buster
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1312[10:35:31] <half-beard> ok, I normally just see what's there with `dpkg -l | grep linux-image` then remove everything listed
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1323[10:40:53] <half-beard> ratrace, I've seen people doing fancy switches to update-initramfs. I normally just do -u. But I've seen people mentioning -k and -v etc
1329[10:42:26] <ratrace> half-beard: -u suffices ; -k is if you want specific or all kernels' initramfs-es updated
1330[10:42:44] <half-beard> okay
1331[10:42:46] <half-beard> thanks
1332[10:43:09] <half-beard> ratrace, I read this last night, is it necessary? To force the cryptsetup modules to the initramfs image you have to set CRYPTSETUP=y in /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook.
1333[10:43:31] <half-beard> (I've not done that)
1334[10:44:14] <ratrace> half-beard: read that file :)
1335[10:44:46] <ratrace> half-beard: note that in initramfs-tools, hooks are functions exec'd when you construct the initramfs, and scripts are execed when initramfs is run
1379[10:57:08] <half-beard> haha, ratrace: I just remembered to check the UUIDs in /boot/grub/grub.cfg I've got search --fs-uuid blah blah then the UUID of the /boot partition
1427[11:14:18] <half-beard> I forgot to create a user account and now need to setup networking etc but just connected to IRC from my phone now to say thanks!
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1429[11:14:51] <half-beard> When I get back to the PC I'll sort I'll finish the rest of the setup.
1462[11:22:50] <ayekat> finn0: well, users expect bash to behave in a certain way (in particular: to source a certain set of configuration files in a certain order)
1463[11:23:30] <ayekat> finn0: if bash suddenly started sourcing different things in a different order, those expectations would no longer be valid
1468[11:24:24] <half-beard> Ratrace, you said you run ZFS for root. Would you do this for your laptop? How do you know the next kernel update won't break ZFS?
1478[11:26:38] <half-beard> Haha. But then if you've got urgent work to do you have to plug in your USB boot drive that you hopefully remembered to bring with you on the road. Boot that and then proceed to do unexpected maintenance.
1481[11:27:44] <ratrace> half-beard: on the servers where we use zfs root, we have scripts in initramfs, due to luks unlocking over ssh, those scripts can easily revert the snapshot if something was broken
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1551[12:17:50] <ZaZaGX> sounds like a debian program
1552[12:17:57] <half-beard> Ratrace, that's interesting, what kind of scripts? Bash? What's the limit of what can be run in initramfs? What determines the limits?
1553[12:18:21] <half-beard> Ratrace, is it possible to use dropbear unlock with WiFi or Bluetooth?
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1561[12:22:20] <ratrace> half-beard: sure, i don't know if there are wpa_supplicant hooks by default, but one can always write one, it's just shell scripts
1565[12:25:17] <ratrace> half-beard: initramfs is literally just an "/init" script in the ramfs, that the kernel executes ; that scripts loads others that autodetect environment with the sole purpose to mount the real rootfs and pivots to it
1567[12:25:59] <ratrace> writing your own is a piece of cake too, if you understand how it all works: replaced-url
1568[12:26:35] <ratrace> and with initramfs-tools it's even easier as it provides a framework so you just have to write much simpler hooks and scripts, not the entire logic of it
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1716[13:49:44] <centrix> I update permissions for a directory to a user u:user1:rwx /dir and file like u:user1:rw- /dir/* ; Still he gets "permission denied". The file content gets updated though. :) What is wrong. No haul in journalctl
1738[13:57:56] <afernandez> Hello at this time I am using a debian server, is there a reason or how can i fix why the following command works from command line but not within a script? rm -- *.zip
1856[14:31:18] <centrix> Originally was the file created by root and retains mask of 644. I added myself to the ACL of the file, tested from unx, checked I get the SAME permissions as him ... no problem.
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1858[14:31:48] <alkisg> AinNero: at some point you have kernel + compressed initrd + uncompressed initrd, so it needs quite a bit of ram. Later on only the RAM usage is lower.
1859[14:32:38] <centrix> The filesystem is ext4, the user connects using Winscp and authenticates/authorizes using AD (winbind). He is in the ACL of the file... Let me do another test ...
1868[14:34:08] <alkisg> AinNero: kvm -m 192 -kernel linux -initrd initrd.gz -append 'rdinit=/bin/sh' ==> free ==> around 90M used after things settle down
1884[14:40:28] <centrix> well_laid_lawn, we can live with that. A few people will be allowed to edit the file. It makes no sense to change ownership then
1885[14:40:39] <ws2k3> so i have a ubuntu 14.04 machine which is on 100 %[working] (apt-get update). and yes i know i should fck off to #ubuntu. but ubuntu sucks. debian ftw. and the first thing the ubuntu guys sad was. ubuntu 14.04 is eol. well. its based on jessie. still supported. anyone an idea what i can/should debug this? proberly its one repo. but the things is. the repo works fine in the browser.
1899[14:45:55] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1900[14:46:01] <ooAoo> you got debian 10 buster installed?
1901[14:46:12] <ooAoo> heard it is just release recently
1902[14:46:18] <ws2k3> nope ubuntu 14.04 is based on jessie
1903[14:46:21] <greycat> about 4 weeks ago
1904[14:46:34] <ooAoo> greycat: any opinion on this new debian?
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1907[14:47:21] <klys> ws2k3, check out the debootstrap utility, it may be just what you need
1908[14:48:12] <greycat> It really depends on which desktop/applications you use. The switch to GNOME/Wayland instead of GNOME/X11 may be a huge shift for some users, but it does not affect me (fvwm/X11). The change to su just seems spiteful.
1909[14:48:22] <NetTerminalGene> guys, gedit launches 0.5 second delay, it is same for you?
2064[16:01:22] <karlpinc> CrazyTux: Debian has a _lot_ of software available. This can make it harder for a newbie to pick and choose. Often the newbie might have to learn something, like how to search for the software they want using, say packages.debian.org, or the debtags tool, or the apt-file tool, or....
2076[16:06:17] <karlpinc> CrazyTux: The synaptic GUI package manager has a lot of features, but I can't tell you what they are. I, like many with more experience, tend to avoid the GUI for lots of reasons people will be happy to go on about. (Probably best discussed in #debian-offtopic.) FWIW, in this channel we find text interfaces way easier to support, although of course we'll help with anything.
2077[16:06:25] <han-solo> or just `aptituide` :)
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2079[16:07:03] <karlpinc> Yah. I like aptitude and it pulls in a lot of the features of the other tools.
2080[16:07:04] <joshuaBPMan1> so I am having a really hard time creating a complete install DVD or usb stick. I have tried installing debian on my Macbook 7,1. It has failed at least 10 times. I have had debian installed on it before....The last time I tried burning a DVD via the debian 64 netinstall iso, the DVD was spit out about halfway through.
2081[16:07:20] <greycat> It may also be worth mentioning that synaptic doesn't fully work (can't do root-stuff) under Wayland.
2082[16:07:27] <CrazyTux> karlpinc: ok
2083[16:07:40] <joshuaBPMan1> I have then tried burning a usb stick via "dd if=debian-64-netinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb".
2084[16:07:59] <joshuaBPMan1> The usb sticks evenutally end up telling me a file is corrupted and it cannot install. What am I doing wrong?
2085[16:08:11] <han-solo> do a sync ?
2086[16:08:13] <karlpinc> greycat: I don't know anything about wayland. Is it because it's stupid to run GUIs as root?
2087[16:08:22] <greycat> that's part of it, yes
2088[16:08:24] <joshuaBPMan1> han-solo. I am doing that as well.
2089[16:08:59] <han-solo> or `dd bs=4M if=path/to/input.iso of=/dev/sd? conv=fdatasync status=progress`
2090[16:09:03] <han-solo> is what i usually do
2091[16:09:10] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan1: Is this dd on the mac? I hear tell that MacOS does not reallly do dd, it just has something called dd that does "special things" depending on the data it's moving around.
2092[16:09:13] <greycat> Long-term, the correct fix for synaptic would be to restructure it so the GUI portion runs as *you*, and communicates with an elevated-privilege daemon that does all the actual root-stuff.
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2100[16:11:16] <joshuaBPMan1> karlpinc: I am currently running a mac 4,1. It is running debian.
2101[16:12:28] <joshuaBPMan1> karlpinc: I just tried using brasero to burn my DVD. It spit the DVD out. It then told me an "unknown error occured when trying to burn the DVD.
2102[16:12:38] <joshuaBPMan1> han-solo: Why the 4m?
2127[16:16:42] <CQ> hello, I jsut upgraded my stretch to buster, and now I only get a normal console, not a desktop. I am using xfce ... any suggestions?
2128[16:16:46] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan1: It is also remotely possible you have bad ram in your box. memtest86+ is called for to test that.
2129[16:16:48] <winny> you might do well to try with cdrecord directly, it'll tell you error messages that will highlight the problem
2148[16:22:03] <greycat> Then it sounds like a display manager either isn't installed at all, or is disabled.
2149[16:22:18] <CQ> rebooting again to make sure we're not chasing ghosts...
2150[16:22:26] <joshuaBPMan1> karlpinc: I guess my main issues started happening when I swapped my memory and hard drives from my macbooks. 7,1 and 4,1.
2151[16:22:30] <humbot> oh weirdly i have graphical.target on this tty only machine
2152[16:22:37] <greycat> humbot: same here. it's fine.
2153[16:22:48] <greycat> if there isn't a display manager installed, it can't run one.
2189[16:34:40] <hero44322> /opt/cmake/bin/cmake -version shows the version of cmake I have since I built from source. How do I add it to bash so I can cmake -version instead for example.
2206[16:38:11] <Bushmills> hero44322: PATH problem. Consider to use an alias, or symlink relevant bins to /usr/local/bin. Alternatively, add /opt/cmake/bin in a wrapper script called for compilation to PATH
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2213[16:40:11] <karlpinc> hero44322: You might consider asking the bot more regards below:
2214[16:40:13] <karlpinc> !usrlocal
2215[16:40:13] <dpkg> When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb>
2229[16:45:08] <rant> Bushmills: no, I haven't. I never heard of it.. I am not having any issues I was just commenting on someone saying gedit took half a second to load..
2230[16:46:13] <Bushmills> rant, I'm aware if it, my reply was also meant as tongue-in-cheek - while the editor is real, the launch saving time may be marginal
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2232[16:47:21] <Bushmills> especially on a fast box
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2235[16:48:54] <rant> Bushmills: ah.. well, I always appreciate humor, I just didnt realize it was a joke.. didnt see any ":P" in there
2236[16:49:20] <Bushmills> that'd be giving it away, woudn't it?
2237[16:49:42] <rant> Bushmills: my current machine is a Thinkpad T440, 4th gen Core i5 w/ 8GB ram and a SATA SSD, so I have no issues with speed really
2240[16:50:53] <Bushmills> rather similar here. i7 2nd gen, other identical
2241[16:50:57] <rant> considering the best machine I had prior to this was probably a T61 Core2Duo with maybe 3GB ram, and for years prior to getting this, I was fooling with first an orangepi lite as my desktop, then an HP T520 thin client.. this seems super fast to me
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2247[16:52:13] <Bushmills> replace orangepi against odroid xu4, and we're on same page again here
2248[16:52:14] <rant> I'm thoroughly impressed with the modern-ish thinkpads.. the battery life and speed blows me away.. I can hardly believe how light weight and cool it is, the fan rarely ever runs, I am rarely over 5W power consumption, I get typically 16hrs or so battery life.. its just hard to imagine
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2251[16:53:00] <rant> idk how the hell they managed to get so much processing power into a device and still keep it cool without the fan running and with such low power consuption
2256[16:53:29] <Bushmills> maybe by you not demanding all that processing power all the time
2257[16:53:51] <Bushmills> idling can be power efficient :)
2258[16:54:56] <rant> I used to demonstrate to people I was planning to switch to linux the ability of it to juggle.. and I'd just open up every app in the menu.. to show them it doesnt bog it down.. and I've tried that on this machine.. many tabs in the browser with JS hungry websites, opening many large photos in gimp, videos in kdenlive, audio in audacity.. etc.. I can't get it to sweat at all even trying to exxagerate the
2259[16:55:02] <rant> load beyond what I'd ever ask of it
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2266[16:56:22] <rant> yeah the fan will kick on but the ram/cpu usage I never really get at or above 50% of what it has to offer no matter how hard I try
2277[16:57:56] <rant> that fan thing and the low power consumption baffles me more than the raw processing power of the machine.. I just really dont understand how the entire system is using less than 5W
2297[17:02:00] <Bushmills> meaning of that what keeps machine busy os not for sake of keeping it busy, instead i needed some sort of reference for a specific kind of copro on another device, meant to do largest part of what that machine was just busy with. I just want to see how that copro will fare against a pure software solution
2299[17:02:43] <Bushmills> if it can make my machine sweat, it can do yours too :)
2300[17:02:45] <rant> I traded some college kid who is a huge thinkpad fan, was trying to get a collection going.. traded him an old t42p and a few broken t61 and t500.. and he decked this machine out.. fitted it with a 1080p screen which wasnt even an option on the T440, put in the 3 button touchpad..etc
2302[17:03:38] <rant> I tried to tell him the T42p was really old and not that impressive a machine but he was thrilled by it.. heh.. I felt like I was rippin him off, but he insisted he was happy
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2362[17:29:36] <jim> davide, "working on debian"? what do you want to do?
2363[17:29:44] <davide> Need I to install both sid and testing in order to do development job on Debian ? I mean helping in find and solve bugs for the next release
2364[17:30:24] <rant> davide: you can use a virtual machine or chroot for these purposes.. install stable
2365[17:30:39] <jim> probably you want testing, and one thing there will be to test, is the debian installer
2366[17:31:10] <rant> it makes more sense to just install stable and do the testing on top of a stable platform
2368[17:31:58] <rant> unless you have a lot of spare hardware laying around and are going to be doing some kind of testing/development that requires native access
2383[17:35:51] <rant> davide: do you actually have a question? something you need support with? because I'm not seeing one.
2384[17:36:06] <jim> btw, I don't see how it makes sense to test for bugs in a branch that's already released... if you find bugs there, they're less likely to be fixed unless they're security-oriented, or otherwise serious
2385[17:36:09] <Psyndrome> I installed an HDD formatted it as ext4 then i followed a bunch of commands to make it usable but now every time i relogin to the system it is asking for password again and again
2390[17:37:17] <rant> Psyndrome: you need to be more specific about the password.. you included misleading details that one could interpret as disk encryption.. there are many forms of passwords and logins.. console, display manager, ssh, etc..
2391[17:37:34] <davide> I have already ask my question
2392[17:37:42] <rant> Psyndrome: are you asking how to make the system boot to a GUI desktop without a password?
2393[17:38:08] <davide> I mean I have already wrote my question, thanks for you answers
2394[17:38:38] <rant> davide: perhaps you think you did.. and I suspect you may not be a native english speaker because while you put a question mark on that, it was not a question, it was a statement
2398[17:39:39] <rant> I need to... is a statement. one without any context in this case
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2400[17:40:47] <Psyndrome> Im asking about how to mount the new installed HDD automatically without asking me for password every time i accessing the content but if you tell me how to access the gui without it will be useful as well
2401[17:40:48] <jim> rant, you're not a parsing algorithm... you have human intelligence you can use to help communicate
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2404[17:42:22] <rant> jim: and I'm not being overly anal here.. there is no context.. even if I insert "do" in there to make it a grammatically correct question, its one that can only be speculated at best.. because we don't know if you do need to do something, if we don't know what it is you're trying to DO :P
2408[17:44:30] <rant> Psyndrome: if its a normal unencrypted drive, you need only make an fstab entry for it.. the specifics depend on your providing more specifics about what it is (removable/fixed) and what you want to do with it, i.e. where you want it mounted
2409[17:44:33] <jim> rant, what I do in situations like that, is I -gently- ask for the information that's missing... also, I try to make statements that include as much informatiuon that would otherwise be missing
2414[17:46:15] <rant> jim: and we were doing that. its not a big deal.. near as I can tell we satisfied the curiousity with assumed advice.. which as I already stated, proves there was no actual question there, no actual issue for support.. they were just looking for general advice on testing and are satisfied with the responses
2416[17:46:53] <Psyndrome> the HDD is normal but i added it after the installation of the system and it is keep asking for password but weather or not is encrypted i dont think so
2422[17:48:07] <rant> Psyndrome: sounds like you don't really know what you are trying to do.. what is it you want to use this HDD for.. lets start with that? Is it an internal fixed disk, or is it something you will be removing like a USB drive?
2428[17:49:48] <rant> Psyndrome: if you are unable to answer these questions than perhaps you can run some commands to provide us with some information.
2429[17:49:51] <Psyndrome> The HDD is normal and im already using it as a stash in some sort but for every reloging need a password to remount itself
2430[17:50:06] <Psyndrome> just by clicking on the device icon
2447[17:56:33] <rant> yes, well that is why I asked repeatedly about the specifics and even asked to see lsblk and fstab so I can figure it out for myself definitively :P
2448[17:58:14] <Psyndrome> i didnt encrypted anything cause i dont know how but if the gparted tool is doing it by itself i dont know
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2452[18:01:33] <rant> if you encrypted it, you'd probably know.. you'd at the very least have had to create a password for the disk
2453[18:02:16] <rant> the fact of the matter is, after all you've said, I dont think your issue has anything at all to do with this hdd.. you are just asking about not having to keep typing the password into polkit dialogs.. for installing packages, etc..
2454[18:02:58] <rant> and if thats the case, the question is, do you just want to eliminate the need altogether and just allow your user to do these things without a password?
2455[18:03:20] <rant> I've configured my father's machine to just never ask for a password to use the package manager or anything
2457[18:03:51] <rant> on my system I just use my built-in fingerprint scanner for these things
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2459[18:05:38] <rant> if you just want to eliminate passwords altogether for admin tasks, my recommendation is to install and configure sudo with NOPASSWD: ALL directive for %sudo and add your user to the sudo group, disable the root account, and then configure polkit to respect sudo
2465[18:06:50] <jim> rant, what if that wasn't the case? in other words, what if he had a drive that he didn't know had encrypted content?
2466[18:07:59] <Psyndrome> When i insert a flash drive for example its mounted on the same place as the hdd with the only difference when i click on the hdd icon needs a password because its not mounted but just visible from the icon
2467[18:08:05] <rant> disabling the root account is optional but I recommend it because if a user doesnt regularly use the rootpw anymore.. they are unlikely to choose a good pw and update it frequently.. which could introduce a security issue at some point if a service is isntalled that allows root logins.. where if root is disabled, it cannot be accessed remotely via a login.. can only be accessed via sudo which requires a
2468[18:08:11] <rant> login to a sudo user first.. which you'd be maintaing a better pw policy on
2469[18:08:13] <Psyndrome> When i insert the password it is mounted and usable
2478[18:10:00] <rant> jim: idk what you're asking specifically but the user also mentioned installing packages and such.. which means their frustration with typing passwords often has to do with polkit in general not specifically this hdd..
2484[18:11:42] <rant> aside from the nopasswords solution I proposed, there is also use of a keyring.. which is usually default behavior.. when a polkit dialog comes up it says "forget immediately, remember until logout, remember forever" if you dont read the dialog and select an option, then you're just at a PICNIC
2510[18:19:36] <rant> its not misconfigured per-se its just default configured.. thats how the system works, you try to do something that requires root permissions, it prompts for a password.. like running synaptic, or mounting a volume
2516[18:20:32] <rant> but we're dancing around unknown issues here.. we never got at the specifics of how this HDD is configured, what kind of HDD it is.. or what behavior is desired
2527[18:22:36] <rant> and really if you're this inexperienced of a user you probably wouldnt benefit from sudo much.. but it doesnt hurt to use sudo cause it not only allows you to use that to issue terminal commands, but some things still use sudo, though most GUI are using polkit now
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2529[18:22:50] <rant> but you can certainly just setup sudo and tell polkit to use that
2534[18:25:15] <rant> Psyndrome: if the HDD is the real issue you want to address, I need more information.. which I asked for twice and gave you a command to provide it.. if you want to just eliminate root password prompts altogether its a multi-step process we can go through but it still requires you to listen and do what I'm telling you.. it involves commands and editing files.. stuff you've so far not demonstrated the ability
2535[18:25:21] <rant> to do
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2538[18:26:22] <rant> I am still not clear on if this HDD is removable i.e. USB or is internal i.e. a fixed disk, where you want it mounted, or what sort of disk layout it is.. if there is lvm, encryption, etc
2539[18:27:15] <rant> what I do know is, that in my experience, plugging in a USB hdd that is not encrypted just mounts to /media/ without any clicking or passwords, or in my case like the USB HDD I currently have attached, which is encrypted.. I have to as you say, provide a password to access it
2540[18:28:19] <Psyndrome> It is internal connected with sata cables
2541[18:28:44] <rant> Psyndrome: as a more general advice.. you need to understand this is not like MacOS or Windows or such.. in Debian we have 7 major Desktop Environments, and thousands of other packages you can mix and match.. one Debian system is possibly totally different than another.. so we can't just generically offer advice without details
2543[18:29:35] <rant> Psyndrome: ok, well an internal fixed disk should not be mounting to /media/ the reason it is in this case is likely because you never finished setting it up.. you made no entry in fstab to tell the system where you want it to be.. so thats why you have to click on it and provide a password
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2545[18:30:19] <rant> Psyndrome: fstab is a configuration file that tells the system where filesystems are located and where you want them mounted.. if you tell fstab that this new hdd exists, and where you want it mounted, you can then set it to auto mount
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2576[18:36:28] <rant> but if thats what you want, you will need to unmount it first and create the mountpoint as a persistent mount point
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2578[18:36:55] <rant> because the default behavior your are using now, the mountpoints are created on-demand by udev
2579[18:37:10] <rant> for fstab to automount it, you need the mount point to be permanent
2580[18:38:07] <rant> if you don't provide the information I've asked for I can't do much more than generically explain how it works and how its done
2581[18:39:20] <rant> without an fstab entry the system only knows the device exists because of udev daemon finding it.. which makes it show up in your file manager allowing you to click on it ant provide the root password to mount it
2601[18:42:56] <rant> and I would imagine the explaination isnt making much sense to the user
2602[18:43:32] <Psyndrome> it is make sense im just tired its exactly what you say
2603[18:43:51] <rant> its now apparent to me why the password dialogs are comming up.. if they'd provided the info from lsblk and fstab an hour ago, I'd have known this and solved it already :D
2604[18:44:20] <rant> Psyndrome: so then you /are/ experienced enough to resolve this then, you are just groggy?
2610[18:45:18] <rant> really all you need is a "/dev/sdc /media/user/foo ext4 defaults 0 0" or such line in /etc/fstab.. but the specifics would be the information from lsblk
2611[18:45:34] <rant> but you also need to unmount the partition first and create the mountpoint with mkdir so its persistent
2612[18:45:41] <seven-eleven> trek00, i assume `debuild` compares the build with the signature provided in the .dsc file, if so how is this reproducible if the package .dsc file is shipped together from the same repository, could both tampered with?
2617[18:46:20] <rant> yes well I can't be specific without specific information :D
2618[18:46:30] <rant> I'm just generalizing here
2619[18:46:58] <rant> it would be best to take the info from lsblk and plug it into blkid and use the UUID
2620[18:47:28] <jim> rant, yeah, that is true... for that, it's good if the users want to do it, and feel good about doing so... beating em up for not asking a question correctly will leave them with a bad taste in their mouth, which they'll recognize, and the next time it comes, they'll feel bad about asking anything
2625[18:48:14] <rant> jim: fair enough.. greycat and I both know and have done such.. but you also gotta understand we're busy doing other things.. I spent like an hour pising around with this not doing what I would've been doing otherwise..
2627[18:48:32] <rant> if a user is taught how to ask better questions and provide better info, then we can just look in and answer without doing all this
2632[18:49:39] <rant> I know this all too well cause not only have I been here nearly two decades, but I've proposed a project to develop a series of software-based solutions to address this.. its just not getting any traction.. I need programmers to help make it a reality
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2637[18:50:20] <rant> its a huge and highly ambitious project.. with no support as of yet
2638[18:50:22] <Psyndrome> sorry about your tme
2639[18:50:24] <Psyndrome> time
2640[18:50:43] <rant> Psyndrome: no worries, I got plenty of time.. I'm just trying to make a point here about deficits in our support
2641[18:51:01] <rant> and where the real problem lies..
2642[18:51:17] <rant> us volunteer supporters being more coddling isn't going to be the solution
2643[18:52:00] <rant> the system is growing rapidly.. we are getting more and more users, more and more pieces to support.. etc.. we need to adjust the tools we use not the way we interact..
2644[18:52:34] <trek00> seven-eleven: you can rebuild the package and then compare if they are bit-to-bit comparable
2667[18:58:49] <rant> I have had the vision I outlined in that manifesto of sorts on that project page for nearly a decade.. it would I think solve the problem permanently.. but its going to be a LOT of work.. I vision for the less experienced users, a frontend similar to Windows(tm) Help and Support Center that includes access to manpages, wiki, forums, bts, chat and mailing lists, and remote desktop support options.. and a
2668[18:58:55] <rant> series of backends and such that make that easy to use interface interact with experienced users on their terms without them having to change the way they prefer to do things
2677[19:02:26] <trek00> rant: what about improving debian wiki? even if I never used archlinux, I always uses their wiki to resolve my issues, is this a sign? :)
2678[19:02:47] <greycat> If you find a Debian wiki page that needs help, help it.
2689[19:05:07] <rant> I would like to put some effort into the wiki.. but even with our slow pace, the wiki is so far behind it needs nearly rewritten.. I have not been able to figure out a system that suits me to help identify what is outdated and needs to be changed and to change it.. its not as simple as the pruning factoids in the bot which I do as it comes up in here
2697[19:06:42] <rant> I dont like having to deal with the web interface and mediawiki markup crap.. thats not my preferred way of doing things.. which is why I proposed putting our efforts into designing better tools that adapt to the needs of each kind of user
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2699[19:08:06] <trek00> rant: I think your project is trying to address something that is definitively needed, but it seems to me most of the work is to instructs users how to diagnose and search for answers
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2704[19:09:18] <aakko> gentoo wiki is really nice. works great on mobile too
2705[19:09:25] <rant> trek00: yeah, well its trying to bridge gaps.. is the idea. To allow each user to use whatever method is preferable to them and still have access to the same resources
2712[19:11:26] <trek00> rant: from my very personal point of view, i find simpler to fix things instead trying to explain something to inexperienced users, but i lacks of social skills
2713[19:11:38] <rant> I also recently have been noodling an idea about making a new screencasting tool of sorts, that could automate making things like wiki entries.. something that rather than just captures video, it captures events.. and creates more metadata so you can just DO something and record it to a manpage, wiki entry, howto video, pdf, or any format.. so the tool would generate something with more metadata indexing the
2715[19:11:44] <rant> process by what you DO not just what it sees, so you could have a TOC attached to a video or extract screenshots of individual steps, etc.. and would facilitate going back and changing only pieces of it easily where things have changed
2718[19:12:29] <rant> I am not a very skilled or experienced programmer, more of a dabbler.. and these kinds of things are highly advanced pieces of software..
2720[19:13:09] <rant> My best idea on getting it happening is to get my stuff together, and perhaps invest in making a nonprofit and raising the funds to pay people to do it
2724[19:15:20] <rant> but I digress.. can bs about this stuff in an offtopic channel or other places.. I'm always around.. if anyone has ideas or plans of how to make these things happen
2729[19:17:47] <trek00> rant: "we don't really want those kinds of users who are inexperienced because they're just going to become a draw on our resources without contributing to our project" what's about a stackexchange-like website for debian? :)
2730[19:19:13] <jken> Hello, I am trying to build a kernel with this driver built in: replaced-url
2731[19:19:29] <rant> trek00: yeah, we should talk about it elsewhere but those sorts of ideas are in there.. having a ratings based system like that
2734[19:20:07] <trek00> rant: I see now there are many opensource alternatives to stackexchange replaced-url
2735[19:20:24] <rant> ,pciid 10ec:818b
2736[19:20:25] <judd> [10ec:818b] is 'RTL8192EE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8192ee' in stretch. See also replaced-url
2737[19:20:55] <rant> ,pciid 10ec:8812
2738[19:20:56] <judd> [10ec:8812] is 'RTL8812AE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8821ae' in stretch. See also replaced-url
2739[19:21:18] <rant> jken: my sources suggest this driver is already available in debian
2740[19:21:23] * rant checks his kernel
2741[19:21:52] <trek00> jken: it should be already included in standard debian kernel
2742[19:21:59] <jken> I am trying to compile my kernel with that driver as a built in.
2743[19:22:15] <rant> jken: ah, not as a module you mean?
2744[19:22:20] <jken> right.
2745[19:22:34] <rant> jken: does the one in debian work for you? the module?
2746[19:22:49] <rant> jken: cause if so, no need to go upstream, just need to rebuil the debian kernel with different options
2747[19:23:33] <jken> yes it does
2748[19:23:41] <jken> That's exactly what I am trying to do
2752[19:24:42] <trek00> jken: you said you can't find it in the ncurses configuration, checking theri Kconfig file, you should find it under "Realtek rtlwifi family of devices"
2764[19:27:10] <rant> jken: is this for an embedded system application?
2765[19:27:26] <jken> not technically, its an x86 system.
2766[19:27:29] <annadane> Bushmills, basically you got it right, it just depends the context you're asking in
2767[19:27:42] <jken> basically a nuc type system (but not intel)
2768[19:27:49] <annadane> testing is to test the next stable release, sid is just the first point of entry for packages that'll later migrate to testing
2769[19:27:49] <Bushmills> not a question. I'm just lagging a bit
2770[19:27:58] <rant> jken: cause losing the security of a maintained kernel just to build in a wifi driver seems ridiculously irresponsible
2771[19:28:11] <rant> and a lot of work for no real benefit unless you have contrstaints that warrant it
2772[19:28:24] <jken> lets say I do.
2773[19:28:30] <rant> jken: furthermore building in a wifi driver means you can't rmmod it if there are issues
2774[19:28:55] <rant> jken: I'm willing to concede the point, I'm just trying to make sure you've thought this through and arent doing this to your detriment
2775[19:29:09] <Bushmills> more a belated comment to an earlier comment calling sid such
2787[19:32:11] <jhutchins> I take experimental to be "let's see if anybody can get this to work".
2788[19:32:34] <jhutchins> jken: Hey, that's great, that way you get all the latest bugs!
2789[19:32:50] <jhutchins> Kinda like testing parachutes.
2790[19:33:05] <rant> jken: well your issue seems beyond our scope.. as it seems to be you want to know why menuconfig is quashing the config.. which afaik is what its suppose to do.. you would likely server yourself better contacting the kernel maintainers, going to #debian-kernel on OFTC, or pinging lkml
2791[19:33:23] <jken> rant, thanks I'll do that.
2792[19:33:35] <rant> jken: oldconfig target is for people wishing to use an old config, you arent suppose to do menuconfig in those cases
2801[19:36:14] <jhutchins> When I started using Linux it was just after the modular kernel. Every howto began with "recompile the kernel to enable...".
2802[19:36:29] <jhutchins> Kernel compiles were the most common benchmark.
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2846[19:50:08] <flashbck> I'm trying to use debmirror to create a local mirror for my network. I'm trying to keep it as small as possible by using the --exclude-deb-section flag, but packages in excluded sections seem to be fetched regardless. Am I using the command wrong? Here's an example of the command that I'm using: replaced-url
2854[19:53:43] <trek00> flashbck: I remeber there was an apt proxy server may be it is apt-cacher
2855[19:54:33] <greycat> I'm assuming "it's complicated" means "I can't use HTTP directly from any of the servers, not even through a proxy, so I am sneaker-netting the packages into my local mirror on a secret USB stick".
2866[19:56:05] <Bushmills> apt-cacher-ng appeared to function more reliably than apt-cacher
2867[19:56:08] * dvs uses apt-mirror
2868[19:56:58] <flashbck> My boss told me that I'm not allowed to use a proxy. I tried to convince him that a proxy makes more sense and uses far less bandwidth/storage, but that doesn't seem to matter to him
2869[19:57:22] <flashbck> like I said, it's complicated
2870[19:57:40] <greycat> Doesn't sound *especially* complicated so far.
2898[20:05:11] <trek00> flashbck: checking apt-mirror configu files it seems to me it allows only to limit different architectures, releases or sections (main contrib non-free)
2899[20:05:16] <greycat> or if you're a sudo person, sudo env LC_ALL=C apt whatever
2905[20:07:25] <trek00> flashbck: may be you can try to type: debmirror -a amd64 --no-source -s main -h ftp.us.debian.org -d buster -r /debian --progress --method=http --exclude-deb-section='.*admin.*' /srv/apt/data/debian
2906[20:08:01] <trek00> flashbck: or simply --exclude-deb-section='admin'
2910[20:09:40] <flashbck> I limited the list of exclusions for the sake of brevity, the actually list has more items. I've tried the single item per flag option and had no success (eg: --exclude-deb-section=x11 --exclude-deb-section=gnome etc)
2915[20:11:00] <greycat> Is part of your list of exclusions an executive mandate "no server is allowed to install any X11 packages" by the same boss that said "no proxy"?
2916[20:11:10] <greycat> Just curious.
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2919[20:11:55] <trek00> flashbck: found on the web --exclude-deb-section='(games|debug|news|gnustep|ocaml|hamradio|gnu-r)' is this working?
2920[20:12:03] <flashbck> greycat: no, that is just an attempt by me to limit the overall size of the mirror. these servers will not need to run x11 so I was trying to exclude those packages
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2933[20:14:41] <flashbck> Yeah, I found that one too. I've tried "--exclude-deb-section=x11 --exclude-deb-section=gnome ..." and "--exclude-deb-section=(x11|gnome|...)"
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3056[21:09:45] <irl25519> NetTerminalGene should dump his cpu
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3058[21:11:05] <NetTerminalGene> my cpu beats yours
3059[21:11:32] <cbthree> i installed buster on my samsung chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from built in microphone. Can anyone help me overcome this problem?
3060[21:11:46] <renner> theoretical question: is it possible to tar a directory from within itself, or will that just run until system crash?
3061[21:11:57] <Bushmills> that's possibly what the deb-src lines in source.list are for
3064[21:12:14] <jelly> NetTerminalGene, more seriously, tools that can actually gain substantial amounts of performance usually support various builds of libraries and can pick the best based on runtime checks
3065[21:12:39] <ratrace> i think this is in reference to feh dorah considering going avx2 as the minimum supported hw base
3067[21:12:52] <trek00> NetTerminalGene: recompiling all the debian archive will give you little to no performances benefits, only some packages gain something with architecture specific optimizations and only a small fraction of the software has different path for specific architectures: you could rebuild only them to have the same results
3069[21:13:34] <Habbie> trek00, it's not just about paths - it's also about what a compiler can do; but i do share the conclusion, rebuilding just a few should give most of the benefits
3070[21:14:08] <jelly> renner, GNU tar cowardly refuses to include the destination in the archive. Try it.
3085[21:15:09] <NetTerminalGene> because it doesn't have important packages
3086[21:15:21] <ratrace> i wonder why
3087[21:15:36] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, ok
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3089[21:16:37] <renner> trek, jelly: the thought started with "how to make a system image on a remote virtual server and back it up".. maybe there is a smarter way, although I suppose one could tar each top directory individually and keep the result in /
3090[21:16:54] <trek00> NetTerminalGene: rebuilding packages is nearly automated with dpkg-buildpackage, you can try to rebuild some package you like
3098[21:19:15] <trek00> renner: if you need a system image, you should dd the entire partitions, instead if you need to make incremental backups, via network, rsync/rsnapshot are your friends :)
3102[21:20:24] <SH2> Hey:), Does anyone know a German Debian irc channel?
3103[21:20:31] <jelly> !de
3104[21:20:31] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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3106[21:21:10] <SH2> Thank YOU.
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3108[21:23:06] <cbthree> someone told me that upgrading to kernel 5.2 may solve my problem as 4.9 may not fully support my hardware. The thing is that i can not find the kernel 5.2 deb package for buster
3109[21:23:23] <greycat> There aren't any Debian 5.2 kernel packages at this time.
3125[21:25:53] <cbthree> tarzeau, i installed buster on my samsung chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from built in microphone.
3133[21:26:40] <jelly> we don't build kernels that way any more
3134[21:26:42] <tarzeau> but sid has kernel-package
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3136[21:26:52] <jelly> and it's borked
3137[21:26:52] <user___> okay, so my thread was deleted from debians facebook page few months ago about weboob scandal
3138[21:26:53] <tarzeau> jelly: no? wtf did i miss?
3139[21:27:00] <greycat> upstream kernel sources have some sort of make target that creates a .deb, so you just use that, unless I missed another meeting
3140[21:27:09] <annadane> user___, we're not in charge of debian's facebook page
3141[21:27:15] <jelly> tarzeau, upstream's "make deb-pkg" and whatever kernel-handbook says to do these days
3142[21:27:16] <annadane> i wouldn't drag #debian into this
3143[21:27:29] <user___> but it is so interesting
3144[21:27:30] <tarzeau> cbthree: luck you, it got so easy
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3146[21:27:55] <humbot> weboob!
3147[21:28:03] <user___> interesting discussion could be held about ti
3164[21:31:16] <annadane> user___, if you do want to contribute to debian by starting a certain conversation about policy, let us know what it is and we can direct you to the proper channels
3169[21:31:50] <dpkg> It's not just the name. It uses gratuitously sexual icons, and derogatory/inflammatory language in its output. See <replaced-url
3170[21:31:56] <tarzeau> annadane: it was possible to apt-get install sex and wine (3 packages), and i think sextractor also still exists (and is useful)
3218[21:41:24] <cbthree> jelly, i've been told the problem might have been fixed in 5.2. Might is not certainty
3219[21:41:32] <jelly> !tias
3220[21:41:32] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
3221[21:41:33] <user___> hmm
3222[21:41:38] <jelly> !immediate configuration
3223[21:41:38] <dpkg> When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on '$package'." First, try running apt-get upgrade; . If that fails, try running apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0; instead. Finally, if that doesn't work, if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install. You should also read <release notes>.
3234[21:42:50] <jelly> I guess you can try that anyway
3235[21:42:52] <renner> but on the way from wheezy to jessie, libdevmapper is somehow unhappy and causing dpkg to fail without telling me what it needs
3236[21:43:07] <afidegnum> tarzeau: some machine learning stuff
3237[21:43:30] <jelly> cuda is nvidia-specific to the best of my knowledge
3238[21:43:31] <tarzeau> afidegnum: using tensorflow or pytorch?
3240[21:43:45] <azeem> renner: do you have some more output? Or maybe just the wohle output of apt-get upgrade?
3241[21:43:48] <renner> jelly: what I'm hoping is the case is that I can configure apt to skip this issue... not sure what the consequences are
3242[21:43:50] <afidegnum> pytorch
3243[21:43:52] <tarzeau> afidegnum: i know tensorflow can work slowly with cpu only just fine (just slower)
3244[21:44:15] <jelly> renner, read what dpkg said above.
3245[21:44:31] <afidegnum> :)
3246[21:44:34] <afidegnum> ok let me give it a try
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3248[21:45:02] <renner> azeem: "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libdevmapper1.02.1'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)"
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3266[21:50:44] <tarzeau> afidegnum: i think there's something called opencl, that is not nvidia specific, but it didn't work for a friends amd hw (the memtestcl thing)
3267[21:51:04] <tarzeau> afidegnum: i've only worked with nvidia cuda cards 1080+ti/2080+ti (8/11 gb)
3277[21:52:54] <tarzeau> i know some people use nvcc directly, some do cuda via pytorch(fb)/tensorflow(google). and that just works best with nvidia, since 5+ years
3281[21:55:01] <tarzeau> intel has some "retarded" deals with microsoft (only ms can think of stuff like , i don't remember the name, but some printer producers created printing hardware that'd only work with windows)
3326[22:11:17] <trek00> renner: probably Bushmills is right, it seems startpart was introduced with jessie, to replace standard sysvinit scripts execution with its own
3328[22:11:52] <renner> Bushmills: yes, that is my understanding, but I don't know why it can't get past that point. replace one with the other, done. instead, it stops the process with no obvious option of how to proceed
3345[22:16:01] <tarzeau> (secretly hoping debian will do it too)
3346[22:16:33] <renner> so consensus is that my current installation is screwed?
3347[22:16:54] <trek00> renner: if you try to force installation like dpkg --force-something starpar.deb?
3348[22:17:26] <tarzeau> the only installation screwed i ever saw, was the one where i run mkfs.ext2 on the root file system (15 years ago), still got the disk, and still no idea how to recover it
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3350[22:17:58] <greycat> that "Adoption" section looks rather political... why even include Devuan there at all, since clearly it will never adopt?
3351[22:18:17] <trek00> rain2: on fstab you should have something like: proc /chroot/proc proc defaults 0 0
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3353[22:19:00] <rain2> thanks
3354[22:19:21] <trek00> greycat: adoption means how much was included at overall, so it's good to list who changed and who not
3355[22:19:21] <Bushmills> rain2, you may also want to mount --bind /dev to chroot
3358[22:19:52] <greycat> well, it's a battle I am not going to join today
3359[22:19:52] <renner> tarzeau: well, this is remote, so if it doesn't start up again, there are no escapes
3360[22:20:02] <trek00> rain2: yes /dev /proc and /sys are often required
3361[22:20:56] <tds> rain2: on the subject of systemd, you can also use something like systemd-nspawn -D /chroot rather than chroot /chroot to do all the bind mounting etc for you, more or less :)
3362[22:21:03] <tarzeau> renner: just never reboot? :)
3363[22:21:06] <trek00> renner: if you already upgraded some packages and still in the middle of upgrade process without finishing it, yes
3364[22:21:17] <rain2> woah cool
3365[22:21:52] <tarzeau> renner: i've got a savegame of nethack on nethack.alt.org (on the final altar before the planes, saved 10 years ago). if you don't move you can't die.
3366[22:21:56] <renner> tarzeau: it's managed, they will reboot it for me periodically, nothing I can do
3367[22:21:58] <rain2> nspawn program does not seem to be on my system
3368[22:22:06] <greycat> systemd-nspawn is optional, I think
3369[22:22:21] <tarzeau> renner: remove all reboot binaries
3370[22:22:36] <tds> yeah, it's in the systemd-container package iirc
3371[22:22:46] <greycat> which is ... Priority: optional
3372[22:22:52] <trek00> renner: there are some packages that got upgraded?
3373[22:23:17] <renner> tarzeau: pretty sure I can't prevent it with software means
3374[22:23:23] <renner> trek00: yes, there are
3375[22:23:40] <trek00> renner: well try to force startpar installation to continue
3387[22:27:11] <renner> yeah, I meant, I am at that point... but the real magic will be in the reboot, I guess - question is whether to continue upgrading towards stretch and buster and find out later if the reboot fails, hoping for special healing powers of anything that might have been broken, or find out the truth immediately
3388[22:27:53] <trek00> renner: you made a backup of the disk before?
3399[22:29:59] <renner> trek00: yeah, I have all the bits I should need to reconstitute if a fresh install is the only option; going back to squeeze and trying again might be adventurous, though because that disk image is probably not available anymore, nor the one for wheezy, I bet
3400[22:30:12] <litb> any idea?
3401[22:30:26] <renner> oh, and I think I have an auto backup facility that I've never used
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3405[22:30:48] <renner> so there's probably an automatic image hanging in that for the next five days or so, come to think of it
3406[22:30:59] <greycat> apparently they disconnected and re-joined in the middle of receiving answers
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3408[22:31:19] <trek00> renner: normally i would do: create a new instance of the system starting from backups, try to upgrade, if it's all ok, try on the production machine
3409[22:31:36] <trek00> greycat: oops
3410[22:31:39] <litb> trek00, sorry, I disconnected and missed his answer :/
3411[22:32:01] <trek00> litb: check /var/log/dpkg.log or its backups /var/log/dpkg.log.[0-9]*
3412[22:32:09] <litb> it appears that the last update was on Sat, Jun 15 2019 17:45:53 +0200
3434[22:47:24] <irl25519> Can anyone tell me how to forward traffic from wireguard to a docker container on debian? Presumably there's an iptables rule for forwarding from wgnet0 to the ethernet interface of the container?
3435[22:47:32] <irl25519> Been trying but my iptables-foo is weak
3444[22:52:35] <irl25519> ok let me rephrase. all wireguard traffic needs to go through a specific docker container (which will basically inspect the traffic) and then the traffic will be forwarded out the container, which will then hit the default gateway to leave the machine
3445[22:52:59] <irl25519> i seem to be struggling only with the first part
3446[22:53:37] <Wulf> irl25519: search for "lartc" / policy routing
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3453[22:56:32] <irl25519> ok, i'll go back to trying the ip rule add ...
3454[22:56:45] <irl25519> with the custom table
3455[22:57:09] <irl25519> if that's the best way to do things
3456[22:57:14] <Wulf> irl25519: out of interest: How do you "inspect" the traffic and why?
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3458[22:58:04] <irl25519> this is only useful for my personal unencrypted traffic
3459[22:58:37] <irl25519> content filtering etc
3460[22:58:57] <Wulf> okay. And how?
3461[22:58:59] <trek00> irl25519: do you logs dropped packages to debug?
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3463[23:00:00] <Wulf> irl25519: I mean I assume there's a process running in your container. How will it get access to the traffic? pcap? nfqueue? transparent proxy?
3485[23:08:42] <trek00> irl25519: usually it's straight forward to enable forwarding, so if packets do not go over, you could logs them to debug with a rule like: iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state INVALID -j LOG
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3490[23:09:42] <irl25519> that sounds extremely useful. because every time i try a forwarding rule that isn't quite correct, the only thing i can see is that packets don't arrive on the destination bridge
3494[23:10:56] <trek00> irl25519: sorry I past the wrong command, you should add this at the end: iptables -A FORWARD -j LOG
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3496[23:11:22] <trek00> irl25519: not at start because it logs every packet, but only to the end as it would log packets not intercepted by other rules
3497[23:11:57] <irl25519> thanks for the correction
3502[23:12:33] <irl25519> was just in the middle of trying out wulf's suggestion. got the infamous "nexthop has invalid gateway" error. nice and specific.
3516[23:16:49] <petn-randall> benj1: This is also the newbies channel. :)
3517[23:17:17] <dvs> There's newbies here?!?
3518[23:17:20] * dvs runs away
3519[23:17:51] <trek00> :D
3520[23:17:57] <annadane> how do i computer ???
3521[23:17:58] <benj1> xD
3522[23:18:03] <dvs> heh
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3524[23:18:56] <petn-randall> benj1: Feel free to ask, we'll try our best to help you out. If the question has already been asked very often, we sometimes even have a factoid or documentation written for that case.
3562[23:46:25] <petn-randall> benj1: Most IRC clients allow you to type the first letters of a nick, and autocomplete it with tab. So I typed "ben<tab>" which turned into "benj1: ". And most IRC clients highlight you then.