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• 15[00:17:09] <lope> karlpinc, basically the r8168-dkms package setup a kernel module for the older 4.19 kernel that I had laying around on my system, but not the new 5.x kernel
• 16[00:17:22] <lope> There's apparently some other workaround I'm going to try
• 17[00:17:34] <lope> disabling link detection, apparently makes it stable
• 18[00:18:09] <karlpinc> lope: Is there a firmware-realtek package in buster? I think that's what's needed in stretch.
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• 21[00:23:21] <BCMM> yes
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• 23[00:23:33] <BCMM> ,v firmware-realtek
• 24[00:23:34] <judd> Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; bullseye/non-free: 20190114-1; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190502-1
• 25[00:23:37] <lope> karlpinc, it seems I can't install firmware-realtek
• 26[00:23:46] <BCMM> lope: do you have non-free enabled?
• 27[00:23:54] <lope> it tries to remove a gazillion packages when I try to install firmware-realtek
• 28[00:23:56] <lope> which I can't allow
• 29[00:24:22] <BCMM> lope: that doesn't sound right at all! can you pastebin what apt is asking to do?
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• 31[00:24:58] <BCMM> lope: also, do you have anything weird in sources.list?
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• 35[00:27:44] <zapproger> Anyone know any GUI's for nftables?
• 36[00:27:56] <lope> BCMM, replaced-url
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• 38[00:28:09] <Henry151> hi #debian
• 39[00:28:40] <Henry151> i just upgraded to 10... All my text looks different in my terminals, anybody know what might have changed my default font or something to make the text look different?
• 40[00:29:05] <zapproger> Henry151: Yeah that happened to me too
• 41[00:29:06] <BCMM> lope: it sounds like you're using proxmox, which appears to provide it's own firmware
• 42[00:29:09] <BCMM> !proxmox
• 43[00:29:09] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 44[00:29:25] <BCMM> ^its own firmware package
• 45[00:29:26] <zapproger> Henry151: What Desktop environment are you using?
• 46[00:29:35] <lope> interesting
• 47[00:29:41] <Henry151> zapproger: none, i'm using i3wm and no DE
• 48[00:30:03] <lope> BCMM, yes I see it includes pve-firmware
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• 50[00:31:35] <Henry151> zapproger: though i may have fragments of various DE's around...
• 51[00:31:40] <BCMM> Henry151: what terminal are you using?
• 52[00:31:45] <Henry151> i use a lot of xfce4 things, including the terminal
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• 54[00:32:10] <zapproger> Henry151: I see. Did you do autoremove after the upgrade?
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• 56[00:32:17] <Henry151> no, i didn't
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• 59[00:32:33] <Henry151> i did apt update, apt upgrade, and apt dist-upgrade
• 60[00:32:44] <zapproger> Henry151: Ok. Dont do that then
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• 62[00:33:01] <Henry151> it prompted me a few times to keep old config or to install new one -- i kept old config each time (sshd config, stuff like that)
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• 65[00:33:25] <zapproger> Henry151: I did autoremove after upgrade and a bunch of things were removed.
• 66[00:33:29] <Henry151> now by the time i figure out how to put my font back how it was i'll have got used to this one XD
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• 68[00:33:53] <Henry151> i may have some screenshots somewhere of the old font to help me identify it
• 69[00:34:34] <Henry151> it looks like it's set to "Monospace Regular, size 12"
• 70[00:34:36] <zapproger> Try to install fonts-liberation package
• 71[00:35:27] <Henry151> apt install fonts-liberation and apt install fonts-liberation2 both said "0 upgraded, 0newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded"
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• 75[00:36:12] <Henry151> i'm sure i'll be used to it shortly but if anybody knows what the default was before/whether it was changed.. i don't think i ever changed the font settings, i was just used to it
• 76[00:36:12] <zapproger> Henry151: Reinstall by doing sudo apt-get install --reinstall fonts-liberation
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• 79[00:36:33] <Henry151> ok did
• 80[00:36:45] <Henry151> now .. close and reopen my terminal emulators?
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• 83[00:37:01] <Henry151> still looks weird.
• 84[00:37:27] * Henry151 goes to peek on his other machine which is still running debian 9, and usually looks the same as this one, to see what the font is set to
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• 86[00:37:58] <zapproger> Henry151: You know what. What probably got reset not removed. Right clock the terminal and go to profiles and select the font you want
• 87[00:38:29] <Henry151> hmm... it looks like it is monospace regular 12 on the other machine, which still looks normal
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• 89[00:39:20] <Henry151> it's like the way monospace regular renders is different on debian 10 than debian 9, as far as i can see
• 90[00:39:51] <Henry151> because right next to me is my other computer, running debian 9, same terminal, same font set in the "appearance" tab in the preferences, and yet it looks normal there and slightly odd here
• 91[00:40:37] <Henry151> it's not going to drive me nuts, but it's a little strange.
• 92[00:42:24] <Henry151> first thing that jumped out at me was the font -- the next thing that jumped out at me, i used to always launch firefox-esr by hitting mod+d to open the quicklauncher at the top of the screen, and type "esr" and hit enter -- but now, there's something called "esri2wkt.py" which wasn't there before :shrug: i guess i'll set a mod+f for launching firefox or something like that
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• 96[00:45:02] <zapproger> Henry151: you said that the font renders differently. Do you think because the size of the font was changed?
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• 99[00:45:47] <Henry151> maybe? my font size setting in the terminal preferences doesn't seem to have changed, and it looks about the same size, it just looks "bolder"
• 100[00:46:12] <Henry151> also, my i3status bar at the bottom of my screen, the text looks "thinner" at the same time
• 101[00:46:28] <Henry151> my eyes have already almost adjusted to it though
• 102[00:46:55] <namll> hello, my mouse started to move sporatically from time to time. And recommendations of dignosing the problem? It started to do it in windows as well and others that had the issue disable touch controls, does that sound like something that could fix it with debian? Its a thinkpad t480 no touch screen.
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• 104[00:47:32] <namll> any** recommendations
• 105[00:48:30] <namll> the paranoia side of me fears my system has been compromised.
• 106[00:49:17] <BCMM> namll: external mouse or touchpad?
• 107[00:49:24] <zapproger> Henry151: I had similar issues when upgraded to Buster. My Desktop Environment MATE got destroyed almost, I had to reinstall it. If you need nvidia drivers, I would install those cause sometimes they help. Sometimes they fix themselves though.
• 108[00:49:29] <namll> BCMM: touchpad
• 109[00:50:02] <namll> i checked to see if I was accidently touching it with thumb, but it did it without my hands on the machine
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• 111[00:51:29] <zapproger> namll: First off, you probably were not compromised. ESPECIALLY if it is something happening across OSes
• 112[00:51:38] <KaffeeKatrin> namll: since it happens across OSes it
• 113[00:51:50] <KaffeeKatrin> is most likely a hardware issue
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• 116[00:52:31] <zapproger> namll: Wipe the touchpad for any Grease
• 117[00:52:33] <namll> yes, that is what the sane part of my brain tells myself. So when i disbled touch controls on windows it stoped the problem
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• 119[00:52:52] <namll> can i disable the touchpad all together?
• 120[00:53:00] <namll> I tried in the bios, but it doesnt take effect in debian
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• 122[00:53:30] <zapproger> namll: What BIOS setting are you changing?
• 123[00:53:41] <zapproger> namll: And what desktop environment are you using?
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• 126[00:54:48] <namll> zapproger: bios utility -> config -> keyboard/mouse
• 127[00:54:56] <namll> openbox
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• 129[00:55:41] <Henry151> zapproger: oh boy... i remember having a blast installing my nvidia drivers
• 130[00:55:51] <Henry151> i'm on a lenovo thinkpad p51
• 131[00:55:58] <Henry151> i can't remember what/which/how
• 132[00:56:25] <namll> Enable or disable in BIOS for ThinkPad T/X/W series replaced-url
• 133[00:57:33] <zapproger> this stack exchange looks like it has a problem similar to yours replaced-url
• 134[00:59:38] <namll> thanks, seems using xinput might solve it.
• 135[00:59:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys does this look weird to u?
• 136[01:00:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 137[01:00:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> trying to figure out why evolution is segfaulting
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• 139[01:01:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 140[01:01:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> something is wrong..
• 141[01:02:27] <namll> yay, the xinput command disabled it, thanks for the help zapproger
• 142[01:02:52] <zapproger> namll: No problem! Happy you got it fixed!
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• 145[01:03:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> ill deal with it tomorrow morning tired sigh
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• 147[01:04:18] <zapproger> Eryn_1983_FL: So what issue is this causing exactly?
• 148[01:04:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> segfault in evolution email
• 149[01:04:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> second paste
• 150[01:05:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmm
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• 152[01:05:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> nvidia and glx not working i guess.
• 153[01:05:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmmm
• 154[01:05:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> tomorrow is another day..
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• 159[01:06:40] <zapproger> Eryn_1983_FL: I would ensure that all the dependencies are met for evolution.
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• 161[01:08:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah i just upgraded to buster.
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• 169[01:13:15] <zapproger> Eryn_1983_FL: Did you do autoremove after you installed. Do't do it. Just wondering
• 170[01:13:22] <zapproger> Don't*
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• 201[01:41:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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• 226[02:02:24] <Henry151> hey, my lenovo p51 has this fingerprint reader thing, i think it's a "Validity Sensors" brand fingerprint scanner. I have been googling about and can't seem to find any good guidance on making it work with debian. Any pointers for me?
• 227[02:03:51] <Henry151> replaced-url
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• 235[02:12:27] <annadane> do you think debian would accept a bug report in Stable about how the thunar file manager won't open an image with "feh -B black" entered as 'custom command'? or is that too trivial
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• 240[02:15:52] <pingfloyd> annadane: I'd just file it
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• 245[02:18:20] <annadane> oh hey reportbug comes with a graphical interface now
• 246[02:18:22] <annadane> cool
• 247[02:18:27] <dvs> ???
• 248[02:18:42] <annadane> you can select text or gtk when run for the first time
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• 303[03:30:52] <Henry151> hi, i'm updating my server from stretch to buster, and during the upgrade (not the dist-upgrade yet, just the main upgrade after changing my sources.list to say stable instead of saying stretch) i am getting "Configuring libpam0g:amd64 : Failure restarting some services for PAM upgrade The following services could not be restarted for the PAM library upgrade: exim4 You will need to start these manually
• 304[03:30:58] <Henry151> by running '/etc/init.d/<service> start'.
• 305[03:31:18] <Henry151> i googled "exim4" and i don't really understand what it is
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• 311[03:39:19] <dvs> Henry151, it's a mail transport agent
• 312[03:39:21] <dvs> I think
• 313[03:39:28] <dvs> something to do with mail anyways
• 314[03:39:39] <Henry151> hm
• 315[03:39:54] <Henry151> so i may need to run /etc/init.d/exim4 start after?
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• 317[03:40:08] <Henry151> or systemctl restart exim4
• 318[03:40:16] <Henry151> or something along those lines?
• 319[03:40:19] <dvs> probably systemctl restart exim4
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• 322[03:41:58] <Henry151> ok here's another thing i don't get.. on my laptop, when i type "systemctl ..." i get a "Authenticating as: Henry Romp,,, (henry) Password:" prompt... but on my server, I get "Authenticating as: root" ... i can't remember how i told systemctl that henry was allowed to do stuff
• 323[03:42:16] <Henry151> also i don't get what all those commas after "Henry Romp" are about
• 324[03:42:56] <Henry151> so on the server i just usually do "sudo systemctl ..."
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• 326[03:43:06] <Henry151> but i'm still puzzled about it all.
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• 347[04:04:54] <Henry151> ah, my audio on my laptop isn't working after the upgrade :/
• 348[04:05:15] <Henry151> pavucontrol shows only a dummy output
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• 350[04:05:24] <dvs> !timidity
• 351[04:05:25] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from replaced-url
• 352[04:05:35] <jmcnaught> !timidity pulseaudio
• 353[04:05:36] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
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• 355[04:05:50] <Henry151> thank you!
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• 357[04:06:41] <Henry151> that did it!
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• 386[04:31:15] <jim> how can I get a list of installed packages, to do a fresh install?
• 387[04:32:15] <dvs> jim, dpkg --get-selections
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• 389[04:35:05] <gorilla> lope: limiting yes, but avoids the "oh no" after purchasing. If this is a desktop. have a look for an Intel ethernet card.
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• 394[04:36:41] <gorilla> laptops... there is system76.com.. they stand behind their Ubuntu installs.
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• 397[04:38:13] <gorilla> Sorry.. scroll bars mess up :-/
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• 402[04:39:47] <H0rnyGirl> I am super horny and already wet. Any men available to chat and talk?? Send me a friend request ------> replaced-url
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• 414[04:55:55] <teksimia1> hey, hoping someone can help me get a bitmap font to work.
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• 446[05:21:32] <teksimia1> fc-list shows the bitmap font im trying to use, but xfontsel doesnt show it
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• 516[06:36:12] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: yes I'm here
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• 519[06:37:55] <Kali_Yuga> present
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• 526[06:41:05] <v0idpwn> Just installed debian on a random computer with wifi only. iw didn't come by default. (I'm using no DE), is there any option?
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• 531[06:42:44] <petn-randall> v0idpwn: Do you have iwconfig installed?
• 532[06:43:00] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: I asked if you if you are running Kali.
• 533[06:43:02] <kreyren> ,v openrc
• 534[06:43:03] <judd> Package: openrc on amd64 -- jessie: 0.13.1-4; stretch: 0.23-1+b1; bullseye: 0.40.3-1; buster: 0.40.3-1; sid: 0.40.3-1
• 535[06:43:53] <v0idpwn> petn-randall: it is a fresh install. it didn't come by default (?)
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• 538[06:45:14] <petn-randall> v0idpwn: Right, if you ask for a minimal install you'll only get the bare minimum. So is `iwconfig` there or not?
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• 540[06:45:41] <v0idpwn> No, it is not.
• 541[06:46:01] <v0idpwn> I didn't ask for a minimal install. I just didn't selected any DE.
• 542[06:46:25] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: No I'm just running Debian. I used that name when it was still called backtrack, they are imitating me
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• 548[06:50:36] <tundra>
• 549[06:50:36] <tundra> [#debian]
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• 558[06:53:01] <petn-randall> v0idpwn: Did you select anything else then?
• 559[06:53:08] <petn-randall> tundra: Correct.
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• 561[06:54:06] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: If you're running pulseaudio, you can simply mute the system sounds in the playback section of `pavucontrol`.
• 562[06:54:24] <v0idpwn> petn-randall I don't get your question.
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• 564[06:54:54] <petn-randall> v0idpwn: In the installer, did you select anything else when you were presented with several options?
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• 568[06:55:18] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: thx, I already got it fixed somehow
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• 577[07:00:00] <v0idpwn> I know the options I had: "default debian DE" (which is gnome), many DEs, like KDE, XFCE, etc. And core stuff, which I selected.
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• 579[07:00:56] <kreyren> How do i install openrc on debian? Seems that invoking apti openrc is guaranteed to result in bricked system
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• 612[07:29:51] <alkisg> kreyren: replaced-url
• 613[07:30:20] <alkisg> And replaced-url
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• 618[07:33:08] <kreyren> doesnt seem to be relevant for installation alkisg
• 619[07:33:40] <alkisg> kreyren: the story is that debian currently supports systemd, and devuan was created for people that wanted sysvinit or openrc
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• 623[07:35:03] <kreyren> like my debian is franken so if devuan has better packaging for openrc i can use it
• 624[07:35:09] <petn-randall> alkisg: Debian also supports sysvinit and openrc. since it's in the repos.
• 625[07:35:40] <alkisg> petn-randall: eh, it also supports dracut; but I don't think users can boot with all these; I think it's for developers mostly at this stage...
• 626[07:35:42] <petn-randall> kreyren: How does it brick your system?
• 627[07:36:04] <kreyren> petn-randall, it doesn't boot with it when i nuke systemd
• 628[07:36:11] <petn-randall> alkisg: Different init systems will have different levels of maturity, of course.
• 629[07:36:35] <petn-randall> kreyren: The details matter, though. What output do you get? What's the error?
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• 633[07:37:17] <petn-randall> "Doesn't work" is pretty hard to start debugging from.
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• 635[07:37:24] <kreyren> it used to hang on the pre-init state after grub
• 636[07:38:04] <kreyren> currently on openrc where systemd was nuked trying to sanitize it so that i woudn't have to debug it much
• 637[07:39:29] <petn-randall> kreyren: openrc sits on top of sysv init, so you'll need that installed, anyway. But the dependency resolution should have done that for you.
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• 641[07:41:28] <kreyren> replaced-url
• 642[07:43:48] <kreyren> ,v sysvinit-core
• 643[07:43:50] <judd> Package: sysvinit-core on amd64 -- jessie: 2.88dsf-59; stretch: 2.88dsf-59.9; buster: 2.93-8; bullseye: 2.95-1; sid: 2.95-2
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• 654[07:57:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok wtf happend to evolution-ews
• 655[07:57:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> in buster
• 656[07:58:13] <Eryn_1983_FL> aaaaaaaahhhhh
• 657[07:58:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> its not in buster?
• 658[07:58:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> oh my god why
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• 662[08:01:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> that is unacceptable no reason?
• 663[08:01:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> 3.30.5-1
• 664[08:01:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> Deleted in buster-release (Reason: None provided.)
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• 675[08:10:17] <enri> good morning boys and girls
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• 679[08:12:26] <mrig> Hello
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• 684[08:14:03] <mrig> I am having a few troubles with my usb keyboard, I was wondering what might be the best way to test if the issue is coming from the hardware or the system, I dont have another computer to hand right now; Is there perhaps some way of investigating the signal that it generates?
• 685[08:14:17] <mrig> another usb keyboard works ok.
• 686[08:14:34] <alkisg> Try entering bios/uefi settings?
• 687[08:14:56] <alkisg> (and see if it works there or not)
• 688[08:15:07] <mrig> ok by using it in the bios, right yes that is a great idea.
• 689[08:15:29] <mrig> The issue is so sporadic that it will be tricky to do though.
• 690[08:15:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok going to davmail;
• 691[08:15:52] <mrig> I will try that, it just started again ... :(
• 692[08:15:54] <alkisg> or in the grub boot manager, before the os loads
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• 694[08:16:07] <mrig> alkisg Thank you.
• 695[08:16:10] <alkisg> np
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• 705[08:22:52] <mrig> alkisg Yes it is doing the same in the bios, can I safely assume that the issue is from the keyboard?
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• 707[08:23:02] <alkisg> I believe so
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• 709[08:23:40] <diogenes_> Hey guys, is there any way to get a list of all installed packages on the system with their version?
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• 711[08:24:22] <alkisg> diogenes_: like `dpkg -l` ?
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• 713[08:24:41] <Cyanoxygen> `apt list --installed` ?
• 714[08:25:00] <krion> dpkg --get-selections
• 715[08:25:01] <dpkg> krion: no idea
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• 717[08:25:21] <alkisg> Or, dpkg-query -W
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• 719[08:25:42] <diogenes_> alkisg, Cyanoxygen excellent, thanks!
• 720[08:25:48] <alkisg> np
• 721[08:27:32] <Cyanoxygen> np
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• 758[08:58:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
• 759[08:58:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 760[08:58:58] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 761[08:59:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am trying to find that package in ews,
• 762[08:59:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> er in buster
• 763[08:59:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> and buster-backports,
• 764[08:59:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> but its not there yet?
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• 766[08:59:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> im not sure if i am doing buster backports right, but i can explain if needed
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• 775[09:04:01] <humpled> i don't think backports is really active yet, buster has only just gone stable, so everything is there that could be
• 776[09:04:19] <humpled> and that package does not seem to even be in buster
• 777[09:04:25] <humpled> ,v evolution-ews
• 778[09:04:26] <judd> Package: evolution-ews on amd64 -- jessie: 3.12.9~git20141130.278fe7-1+b1; stretch: 3.22.6-1; bullseye: 3.30.5-1.1; sid: 3.30.5-1.1; experimental: 3.32.2-1
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• 780[09:06:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
• 781[09:06:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> so id have to jump to unstable?
• 782[09:06:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> er testing
• 783[09:07:32] <themill> I missed earlier why you want to use evolution-ews -- what's the issue?
• 784[09:07:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got to logg into my work email
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• 786[09:08:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> probabbly going to use davmail just got to learn how to use it lol
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• 791[09:11:04] <themill> Are you sure you need anything at all?
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• 795[09:14:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got to have support for ews
• 796[09:14:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> its an exchange server.
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• 800[09:15:12] <themill> No, exchange servers do not require you to use EWS.
• 801[09:15:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> as far as I know i can't connect to it with imap or pop3
• 802[09:15:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> what else can i use?
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• 805[09:16:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> am i missing something?
• 806[09:16:29] <themill> Have you tried IMAP with TLS? That works unless explicitly disabled on exchange and most don't
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• 808[09:17:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> dont think so,
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• 810[09:17:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> i just used the details i got?
• 811[09:17:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i setup ews.
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• 813[09:17:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> id have to wait til tomorrow to ask people
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• 830[09:30:28] <omnio> hello. I'm on a slow machine so I'm disabling some startup services, I was wondering if is it necessary to have the uuidd daemon running for a simple desktop system
• 831[09:30:33] <omnio> any idea?
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• 835[09:33:07] <csanyipal> Hi,
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• 837[09:34:59] <csanyipal> I am installing Android Studio from downloaded tar.gz tarball. During the installation I get message about Kernel-mode Virtual Machine. How can I install the KVM on my Debian Stretch system?
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• 846[09:41:05] <smsimeon> In theory, I should be able to install Debian to a network location
• 847[09:41:15] <smsimeon> and then configure PXE to boot from it?
• 848[09:41:30] <smsimeon> It'd make for a wonderful shared environment
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• 852[09:46:56] <alkisg> smsimeon: for one client, sure, nfsroot is all you need; for multiple clients booting from the same source, you need the ltsp package
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• 856[09:48:47] <gidna> Hello
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• 858[09:49:22] <gidna> At the log-in screen How can I have the user name already inserted given I'm the single user on this machine?
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• 860[09:50:23] <smsimeon> Hmmm, never heard of ltsp
• 861[09:50:26] <smsimeon> thanks for the tip
• 862[09:51:12] <alkisg> np; I'm just programming its next version :)
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• 865[09:51:56] <smsimeon> Oh cool man
• 866[09:52:00] <smsimeon> what a coincidence
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• 868[09:52:07] <alkisg> Yeah :D
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• 870[09:52:51] <smsimeon> I'm just reading up on it and will do some tests to see later on
• 871[09:53:09] <smsimeon> we got some asian IP's to thwart first lol
• 872[09:53:11] <alkisg> smsimeon: this tutorial should be the best for debian too: replaced-url
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• 874[09:53:25] <alkisg> ...except you'd need to omit the ppa there
• 875[09:53:26] <smsimeon> I was looking at this replaced-url
• 876[09:53:33] <alkisg> It's kind of old
• 877[09:53:35] <smsimeon> but will see that too
• 878[09:53:59] <smsimeon> Sure, thanks
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• 883[09:56:11] <smsimeon> One thing I cannot see
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• 885[09:56:36] <smsimeon> do I need to have a PXE server booting off a debian installation somewhere on the network first?
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• 891[10:00:02] <gidna> How can I predesignate the login user? so that I've not to type it at each login?
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• 896[10:04:03] <smsimeon> I think that'll depend on your DE, gidna
• 897[10:04:07] <BCMM> gidna: for the command-line, or for a graphical login?
• 898[10:04:21] <BCMM> for the latter case, it will depend on your "display manager", not desktop environment
• 899[10:04:53] <gidna> gidna 5805 0.0 0.0 6076 888 pts/1 S+ 10:04 0:00 grep greeter
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• 901[10:05:11] <smsimeon> Oh yeah, my bad
• 902[10:05:19] <BCMM> gidna: uh...
• 903[10:05:45] <gidna> BCMM, graphical login with Icewm but I've also installed Xfce
• 904[10:06:02] <BCMM> gidna: do you know which display manager you're using?
• 905[10:06:25] <gidna> BCMM, ii lightdm-gtk-greeter 2.0.6-1 amd64 simple display manager (GTK+ greeter)
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• 912[10:08:01] <BCMM> it sounds like lightdm got rid of that option... replaced-url
• 913[10:08:28] <BCMM> but you can get it to prefill the user who last logged in, i think?
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• 918[10:10:02] <gidna> BCMM, no it doesn't work.. it doesn't update the user
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• 921[10:10:38] <hans_> some guide/list of gotchas/whatever for upgrading debian 9.9 to 10?
• 922[10:10:55] <hans_> sorry should have read the title
• 923[10:12:06] <BCMM> hans_: replaced-url
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• 925[10:12:27] <BCMM> (change amd64 to your architecture in the url as appropriate)
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• 929[10:13:06] <hans_> actually the system happens to be an amd64 system (well, Intel64 but debian calls that for AMD64 too, right?)
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• 932[10:15:01] <BCMM> yeah, that's intel's copy of amd64, basically
• 933[10:17:35] <hans_> and deb.sury.org already supports buster, lovely
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• 935[10:20:13] <hans_> what is the difference between `apt dist-upgrade` and `apt full-upgrade` ?
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• 939[10:20:47] <smsimeon> as far as I know, full-upgrade is preferred
• 940[10:21:05] <smsimeon> as dist-upgrade is either deprecated or not being worked on anymore
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• 942[10:24:54] <hans_> full-upgrade seems to be newer at least, i've never heard of it before today (been using debian since 6), and replaced-url
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• 962[10:42:10] <gidna> what's the difference between these 2 files:** Message: 10:34:14.595: [Configuration] Reading file: /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.d/01_debian.conf
• 963[10:42:10] <gidna> ** Message: 10:34:14.595: [Configuration] Reading file: /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
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• 965[10:43:00] <csanyipal> How to install KVM - Kernel-mode Virtual Machine on Debian system?
• 966[10:43:08] <gidna> I'm not sure which one to modify
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• 973[10:46:45] <ratrace> csanyipal: most basic package you'd need is qemu-system-x86, then there's the qemu-system-x86_64 cli tool ; there's also virt-manager for some fancy virtualbox-like gui for that
• 974[10:47:08] <csanyipal> ratrace: Thanks!
• 975[10:47:14] <ratrace> csanyipal: more info here: replaced-url
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• 978[10:47:20] <csanyipal> ratrace: Thanks!
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• 982[10:48:21] <csanyipal> Bye!
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• 994[10:51:52] <hans_> welp, toly my server to reboot, and it shut down..... and IDRAC isn't responding..............
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• 1004[11:00:27] <oxenit> Hi, I'm struggling on debian with several services freshly installed (mariadb, redis...) not starting with systemctl but running okay when launched manually . Any idea where to look for ? Systemctl status, journalctl -xe gives absolutely no clue except "it failed"
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• 1014[11:06:52] <EmleyMoor> I just did an install of claws-mail to my recently repaved laptop (running buster), and configured it to access my mail server (a dovecot instance serves imap), but it is not picking up on the existence of most of my folders. It used to on the old install and also on my desktop (which is currently out of action due to overheating).
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• 1017[11:08:07] <ratrace> oxenit: journalctl -u <service name>.service or look into their specific logs in /var/log/ if there are any
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• 1022[11:09:15] <ratrace> EmleyMoor: did you check the release notes for the claws-mail version in buster? maybe something changed that's relevant here
• 1023[11:09:18] <EmleyMoor> It seems to pick up on the folders if mail comes into them but not until
• 1024[11:09:41] <EmleyMoor> ratrace: Not yet, but I will
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• 1035[11:13:12] <EmleyMoor> Nothing obvious. Will get onto their channel shortly (if I can work out a way in the absence of my desktop)
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• 1037[11:14:32] <oxenit42> ratrace: sorry, I got d/c. My problem is that services seem to fail before being able to write any log to /var/log. And systemctl -u only outputs "failed to start <service>" without any error message.
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• 1044[11:19:02] <_dothebart> hey, everyone - just tried to install expat - and it 404'd . replaced-url
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• 1047[11:19:24] <_dothebart> however, an apt-get upgrade didn't fix that -installed it manually.
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• 1051[11:19:45] <ratrace> oxenit: can you pastebin journalctl -xu for each service?
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• 1053[11:20:11] <ratrace> _dothebart: did you apt update first?
• 1054[11:20:13] <jimm> hi... I got a file I made with dpkg --get-selections... now, I have a minimal debian setup... how do I use that file?
• 1055[11:20:16] <_dothebart> yes
• 1056[11:20:37] <_dothebart> after the first attempt - however, second failed too ;)
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• 1059[11:20:58] <ratrace> jimm: with --set-selections
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• 1061[11:21:42] <_dothebart> it seems that the package index is broken on this mirror to that belongs
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• 1063[11:22:05] <jimm> what do I do after that? does that start the installation?
• 1064[11:22:18] <jimm> that can't be :)
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• 1066[11:22:46] <Drickle> My apt list shows that libexpat1-dev/stable,now 2.2.6-2 amd64
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• 1068[11:23:28] <Drickle> you may change your apt source and then try again
• 1069[11:23:36] <jimm> so I feed the file to dpkg --set-selections... then what? :)
• 1070[11:23:43] <Drickle> ,v libexpat1-dev
• 1071[11:23:44] <judd> Package: libexpat1-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.0-6+deb8u4; jessie-security: 2.1.0-6+deb8u5; stretch: 2.2.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 2.2.0-2+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2.2.0-2+deb9u2; buster: 2.2.6-2; bullseye: 2.2.7-1; sid: 2.2.7-1
• 1072[11:24:01] <ratrace> jimm: apt-get has dselect-upgrade command, that's what you use iirc
• 1073[11:24:54] <jimm> you don't know how much I hated dselect before apt-get came out :)
• 1074[11:25:06] <jimm> but I can try that'
• 1075[11:25:32] <ratrace> jimm: you can always awk '{print $1}' the-get-selections-file | xargs apt install -y
• 1076[11:26:08] <oxenit> ratrace: replaced-url
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• 1078[11:26:57] <jimm> when apt-get first came out, it was just a test of the apt libs... but we devoured it to get away from dselect :)
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• 1081[11:27:24] <oxenit> ratrace: empty log file in /var/log both for redis and mariadb except when I start them manually
• 1082[11:27:34] <jimm> ok, let me get this started
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• 1084[11:29:02] <ratrace> oxenit: can you pastebin their units? systemctl cat redis-server.service
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• 1092[11:35:49] <ratrace> oxenit: do you know how to override service unit with systemctl edit <service name>.service ?
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• 1094[11:36:48] <EmleyMoor> #claws suggest the problem may be in dovecot's config... anyone here good with dovecot or should I find a more specific channel if possible?
• 1095[11:37:49] <oxenit> ratrace: I am not sure. What do you suggests?
• 1096[11:38:13] <ratrace> oxenit: run that, that will add an override file into /etc/systemd/system/redis-server.service.d/ in which you need only an [Service] section and under it just Environment=SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug
• 1097[11:38:34] <ratrace> oxenit: systemctl edit will run your $EDITOR straight away for that file, so you just need to add the stanzas
• 1098[11:39:00] <ratrace> oxenit: then systemctl daemon-reload and systemctl restart redis-server.service and pastebin journalctl -u redis-server.sevice again
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• 1100[11:39:57] <oxenit> ratrace: okay. Is that normal the new override file is empty ? I must forge the new unit by myself ?
• 1101[11:40:34] <ratrace> oxenit: not the whole unit, just stuff you add on or override from the default system unit ; in this case ONLY add [Service]\nEnvironment=SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug
• 1102[11:40:39] <ratrace> \n being an actual enter you hit
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• 1104[11:44:29] <oxenit> ratrace: it does not change anything on journalctl sadly
• 1105[11:45:36] <ratrace> oxenit: then your system is broken
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• 1108[11:46:07] <oxenit> ratrace: system or systemd ?
• 1109[11:47:13] <ratrace> system ; redis-server works out of the box on debian so there must be something specific to your setup that's causing the service to fail on start ; i thought maybe you restricted its namespaces but it seems you're using stock service unit, so that's not it
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• 1111[11:48:04] <ratrace> and then the fact that debug level shows nothing more is indicative of something bigger going on
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• 1114[11:48:49] <ratrace> i guess the last thing you could try is strace pid 1 (use -o for strace to store the megaton of output into a file) and run the service again, see if there's clues there
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• 1117[11:50:04] <oxenit> ratrace: it seems effectively that any new package I install will fail start, mariadb has exactly the same behavior. Can't understand why, this debian server is basic I only did some apt-get update/upgrade for 1 year and installed some packages from the repo.
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• 1120[11:50:46] <ratrace> oxenit: anything in dmesg? journalctl with no -u or other filter?
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• 1129[11:53:51] <lisbeths> Does debian have the freebsd version of dc in it's repos?
• 1130[11:54:00] <lisbeths> Dc is sometimes lumped in with the bc package.
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• 1132[11:54:13] <jelly> judd, file bin/dc
• 1133[11:54:20] <judd> Search for bin/dc in buster/amd64: dc: usr/bin/dc; 9base: usr/lib/plan9/bin/dc
• 1134[11:54:28] <lisbeths> /bin/dc version
• 1135[11:54:33] <lisbeths> sorry wrong terminal
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• 1143[11:56:39] <lisbeths> /bin/dc not found. /usr/bin/dc is gpl so must not be freebsd dc
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• 1146[11:58:11] <oxenit> ratrace: nothing suspicious
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• 1148[11:58:41] <_dothebart> @drick
• 1149[11:58:53] <ratrace> oxenit: pastebin pls
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• 1151[11:59:24] <_dothebart> gn. Drickle - I just wanted to report that its boken. I fixed it for me by manual downloading and dpkg -i ing
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• 1153[11:59:37] <ihristov> oxenit Can you check if you have also /var/log/audit/audit.log
• 1154[11:59:39] <ratrace> oxenit: or you know what? just do the strace route
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• 1169[12:04:43] <oxenit> ihristov: Nope no audit.log
• 1170[12:05:13] <oxenit> ratrace: Ok did a strace -p 1 -o file for 1 min
• 1171[12:05:36] <ratrace> oxenit: just tried it in a vm to confirm the steps, so: you'll need two root terminals/sessions/tmux-panes whatever ; run strace -f -o /tmp/redis.trace -s 2048 -p 1 in one terminal ; run systemctl start redis-server.service in the other ; when it returns, Ctrl-C the first one and pastebin redis.trace file pls
• 1172[12:05:49] <oxenit> oh ok
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• 1174[12:06:21] <ratrace> audit traisl would've show in dmesg output
• 1175[12:06:31] <ratrace> %s/traisl/trails/
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• 1177[12:10:08] <oxenit> ratrace: here you go replaced-url
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• 1180[12:11:38] <oxenit> ratrace: "lstat("/usr/lib/systemd/system/redis-server.service.d", 0x7ffd91ef3b90) = -1 ENOENT (Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type)" it means no such file or directory
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• 1184[12:14:46] <ratrace> oxenit: sec, i'm on the phone
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• 1186[12:16:47] <oxenit> I am wondering if there is a conflict in my systemd with units at /lib/systemd, /usr/lib/systemd, and /etc/systemd/
• 1187[12:16:52] <oxenit> ratrace: ok np
• 1188[12:17:22] <ratrace> oxenit: those are red herrings, programs will always try various dirs in various orders until they find what they're looking for
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• 1195[12:20:36] <ratrace> oxenit: what was the exit code again? from journalctl -u redis-server.service ?
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• 1197[12:21:14] <oxenit> 127
• 1198[12:22:15] <ratrace> i think this is your problem: "version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference"
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• 1200[12:22:46] <braingain> hi i need a little help with ufw. can somebody tell me why these packets are getting blocked? replaced-url
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• 1202[12:22:54] <ratrace> oxenit: is this really regular debian? no derivative? no foreign applications installed outside of the package manager? no frankendebian from mixing different releasvers?
• 1203[12:22:55] <braingain> i tried to allow the DST port but to no avail
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• 1210[12:24:26] <oxenit> ratrace: I upgraded stretch to bullseye in my source.list, the only package I could have installed with external repo are gitlab and docker-ce
• 1211[12:24:54] <oxenit> the problems occured before upgrading to bullseye
• 1212[12:25:25] <ratrace> oxenit: the problem is, the service is exiting with relocation error. you can grep -A 2 "relocation error" from that output to see all the instances of it, with exit code 127
• 1213[12:25:38] <ratrace> that means the linker is failing, which means your system is seriously broken
• 1214[12:25:56] <oxenit> oh boy x)
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• 1217[12:26:25] <jelly> oxenit, ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, unless you can reproduce on a stretch install
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• 1221[12:27:17] <jelly> bullseye will be a rough ride for the next couple weeks
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• 1224[12:28:24] <oxenit> jelly: I actually upgraded to bullseye thinking it might help with my mariadb errors but the problem in itself started in stretch
• 1225[12:28:32] <oxenit> don't think it is directly related
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• 1227[12:29:24] <ratrace> oxenit: could be coincidental convergence of two unrelated problems
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• 1233[12:31:23] <oxenit> well if the system is broken as hell, I believe a full restore is now necessary
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• 1237[12:33:47] <ratrace> oxenit: chances are it wouldn't even reboot in this state, the services are failing with the most critical libc
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• 1240[12:34:52] <oxenit> ratrace: hmm okay I'll rsync everything I can then
• 1241[12:35:18] <ratrace> oxenit: yeah, i recommend bring it to stable, update all packages, and come back with the problem that started this adventure, mariadb failing :)
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• 1244[12:36:41] <Habbie> what are situations in which a 'debian' system (in the broadest sense of the word) might find itself without ::1 bound to the loopback interface?
• 1245[12:36:47] <Habbie> docker is a huge example, i'm looking for others
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• 1248[12:39:47] <oxenit> ratrace: In any case, thanks for your help and the timely support
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• 1252[12:41:09] <ratrace> oxenit: welcome
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• 1261[12:44:34] <Cyanoxygen> I have installed a fresh debian buster with nextcloud. No problem encountered.
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• 1264[12:45:22] <centrix> We join an AD with our Deb 10 using net ads join. Net ads testjoin say OK.
• 1265[12:46:11] <centrix> I installed sssd, configured it and after start the log says ""Failed to initialize credentials using keytab" Preauthentication failed."
• 1266[12:46:26] <Cyanoxygen> *mariadb used as the database which nextcloud uses
• 1267[12:46:41] <centrix> May that be because our hostname is of hostnam.domainname?
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• 1272[12:49:18] <centrix> May that also be because of a potential clash between samba (winbind) and sssd?
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• 1274[12:50:09] <centrix> My aim is to join and used our AD using only kerberos/sssd.
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• 1285[12:57:41] <Cyanoxygen> ,v openjdk-8-jdk
• 1286[12:57:42] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u212-b01-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u222-b10-1
• 1287[12:57:54] <Cyanoxygen> ,v openjdk-8-jre
• 1288[12:57:55] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- stretch: 8u212-b01-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u222-b10-1
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• 1292[12:59:18] <wwilliam> why would i get this if i am root?
• 1293[12:59:34] <wwilliam> oot@debian:~#cd /home/afernandez/axadir
• 1294[12:59:35] <wwilliam> -su: cd: /home/afernandez/axadir: Permission denied
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• 1296[12:59:51] <wwilliam> fernandez@debian:~$ ls -ld axadir/
• 1297[12:59:53] <wwilliam> drwxr-xr-x 1 afernandez afernandez 4096 Jul 25 13:01 axadir/
• 1298[13:00:17] <Habbie> wwilliam, what kind of filesystem?
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• 1300[13:00:34] <wwilliam> ext4
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• 1320[13:12:13] <IntoxicatedDrive> william, any crypto file system mounted into axadir? like gocryptfs or encfs?
• 1321[13:12:44] <IntoxicatedDrive> wwilliam ^^
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• 1325[13:15:05] <wwilliam> NO
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• 1327[13:15:21] <wwilliam> is a mount for an ftp share
• 1328[13:15:44] <wwilliam> fernandez@Kanotix2:/home/afernandez/production fuse.sshfs 96G 46G 46G 50% /home/afernandez/axadir
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• 1330[13:15:58] <IntoxicatedDrive> that would be the reason
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• 1332[13:17:57] <wwilliam> weird now it works
• 1333[13:18:22] <wwilliam> i was trying to umount with root and i was getting permission denied also now it works
• 1334[13:18:25] <wwilliam> weird
• 1335[13:18:39] <diogenes_> Hello guys, is there any dedicated channel for discussing debian installation media aspects like generating for the live medium squashfs and stuff, or i can ask here?
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• 1337[13:19:33] <IntoxicatedDrive> you actually tried to change into that dir. but privileges of your local user, even if root, aren't automatically applied remotely where you most likely have authenticated as different user
• 1338[13:19:58] <wwilliam> I have authenticated remotly as root
• 1339[13:20:05] <wwilliam> with ssh keys
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• 1341[13:20:15] <wwilliam> let me try the script again...
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• 1343[13:20:24] <wwilliam> Thank you IntoxicatedDrive for your time
• 1344[13:20:42] <IntoxicatedDrive> no worries
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• 1348[13:22:25] <wwilliam> Ok is working now i am mounting remote ftp locally and getting the files fine. Thank you.
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• 1351[13:22:52] <wwilliam> I dont know it would failed at the beggining.
• 1352[13:23:18] <wwilliam> with that permission denied thinghie. why this weird things would happened to me.
• 1353[13:25:06] <Habbie> wwilliam, yes! that's why i asked about the filesystem
• 1354[13:25:11] <Habbie> wwilliam, NFS also often has this problem
• 1355[13:25:24] <wwilliam> I see.
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• 1361[13:28:56] <fling> Where can I get the proper shiftfs patch?
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• 1363[13:31:13] <EmleyMoor> Is there a good place for help with dovecot? It's not picking up on my "head" inbox, only the folders under it
• 1364[13:31:23] <Habbie> #dovecot
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• 1369[13:33:38] <EmleyMoor> Habbie: On freenode? I'll try it...
• 1370[13:33:53] <Habbie> yes
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• 1382[13:48:44] <jimm> did there used to be a kdm package?
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• 1384[13:49:36] <humpled> ,v kdm
• 1385[13:49:37] <judd> Package: kdm on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.11.13-2
• 1386[13:49:42] <EoflaOE> jimm: kdm used to exist, but it is old. KDE 5 now has its own DM called sddm.
• 1387[13:49:43] <humpled> ,v sdm
• 1388[13:49:44] <judd> No package named 'sdm' was found in amd64.
• 1389[13:49:47] <humpled> oh
• 1390[13:50:13] <EmleyMoor> Anyone ever seen the issue where MUAs cannot see the contents of the "head" inbox, only the folders, as served by dovecot?
• 1391[13:50:17] <jimm> there's sddm but it doesn't seem to work... is there another alternative?
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• 1393[13:51:30] <EoflaOE> jimm: lightdm, gdm3, wdm, and xdm are one of the display managers.
• 1394[13:51:53] <jimm> what's wdm associated with?
• 1395[13:52:29] <Habbie> 'WINGs'
• 1396[13:52:46] <Habbie> and windowmaker
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• 1438[14:17:17] <diogenes_> I'm doing some installations in a chroot environment and at the end of all the packages the installation process, it gives me this error: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: bla bla bla dpkg: error processing package tex-common (--configure): and the last line: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), how can i deal with this? it occurs only in the chroot and not on normal
• 1439[14:17:17] <diogenes_> installation.
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• 1446[14:23:42] <jelly> diogenes_, perl warnings are not fatal, and come from locale being set via env. vars but not being present in the chroot. As for the real error,
• 1447[14:23:47] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 1448[14:23:47] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1453[14:26:28] <dstaring> That bot has got some aptitude...
• 1454[14:27:06] <jelly> dpkg, botsnack
• 1455[14:27:06] <dpkg> thanks, jelly
• 1456[14:27:17] <fireba11> lol
• 1457[14:27:32] <diogenes_> jelly, thanks, here is the complete output: replaced-url
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• 1460[14:27:50] <diogenes_> i tried: dpkg-reconfigure locales but no avail.
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• 1474[14:39:46] <fireba11> neat, found a debian i upgraded all the way from v5 :-D there was still a kernel 3.2 installed
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• 1477[14:42:26] <jimm> hi, trying to get the x server going in buster... when I try Xorg, the log doesn't show errors (let me know if you want that), pointer doesn't move, and it doesn't have that gray pattern typical of X servers that are empty...
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• 1483[14:44:26] <oxenit> ratrace: Hi again, FYI I made a snapshot on vmware before doing a last dist-upgrade/reboot and voila, every services are now starting correctly -_-'
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• 1485[14:46:08] <jimm> I might have to let it install from scratch and I go to bed :)
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• 1530[15:16:52] <vsayikiran> I want to know why debian cd iso download link in debian official website does not have iso support for desktop environments other than XFCE. Here is the link replaced-url
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• 1533[15:18:01] <vsayikiran> I installed it from iso in the above link. In the installer menu I got option only for XFCE install.....whereas I need MATE desktop environment
• 1534[15:18:13] <MrShared> then install it without desktop
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• 1536[15:18:26] <MrShared> and install the desired desktop after the initial installation
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• 1538[15:19:02] <MrShared> sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-extras
• 1539[15:19:19] <vsayikiran> MrShared: But it would be good if iso for each desktop enviroment is provided in iso
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• 1541[15:19:53] <vsayikiran> MrShared : so that user has a choice in the graphical installer menu to select one or more desktop environments
• 1542[15:19:57] <MrShared> as far as i know the setup wizard just uses tasksel
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• 1544[15:20:10] <MrShared> which should have any desktop included
• 1545[15:20:22] <MrShared> but I can't confirm it with 32 bit cd image
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• 1547[15:20:31] <MrShared> I only use 64 bit netinstall image
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• 1549[15:20:58] <vsayikiran> MrShared : I used 64 bit also.....it does not the option to select desktop environment
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• 1551[15:21:11] <MrShared> netinstall or cd image?
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• 1553[15:21:20] <vsayikiran> MrShared : CD image
• 1554[15:21:40] <dvs> vsayikiran, Not even the expert install?
• 1555[15:21:42] <vsayikiran> MrShared: Cd image load only XFCE by default
• 1556[15:22:04] <vsayikiran> dvs: I use graphical expert install with mouse pointer support
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• 1559[15:23:13] <MrShared> could you try it with netinstall?
• 1560[15:23:27] <MrShared> I am 100% sure that netinstall contains all desktops
• 1561[15:24:41] <vsayikiran> MrShared : net install i tried many years back it loads only basic OS without desktop environment
• 1562[15:25:15] <MrShared> then maybe try it again
• 1563[15:25:39] <vsayikiran> MrShared : then I went to terminal 1, installed it manually and also any other small packages not available in iso
• 1564[15:25:47] <vsayikiran> netinstall iso*
• 1565[15:26:07] <MrShared> i only use netinstall and i can confirm that every desktop is included
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• 1567[15:26:29] <MrShared> i've installed debian buster on my yoga yesterday out of an netinstall usb stick with gnome
• 1568[15:26:56] <vsayikiran> MrShared : does it have options like a list of checkboxes to select which dekstop environment to use
• 1569[15:27:00] <MrShared> yes
• 1570[15:27:15] <MrShared> also install ssh server, cups (printer service), and lamp and so stuff
• 1571[15:27:22] <MrShared> after the basic os installation
• 1572[15:27:38] <MrShared> this step is (i think) run through tasksel
• 1573[15:27:54] <vsayikiran> MrShared : may be i should it give a try....since many years i did not use netinstall
• 1574[15:27:57] <jimm> MrShared, did you have any problems installing it on the yoga?
• 1575[15:28:03] <MrShared> nope
• 1576[15:28:40] <MrShared> except the mousepad wasn't working throughout the whole setup process (but touchscreen) and i needed to load non free firmware
• 1577[15:28:57] <MrShared> after the setup the mousepad started working just fine
• 1578[15:29:27] <jimm> vsayikiran, the netinstall usually works great... do you have a desktop or laptop?
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• 1580[15:29:43] <MrShared> jimm: +1
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• 1582[15:30:13] <vsayikiran> jimm: laptop
• 1583[15:30:26] <vsayikiran> very old Dell D520 2006 model
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• 1588[15:33:08] <jimm> vsayikiran, how much ram? disk?
• 1589[15:33:28] <vsayikiran> jimm: 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD
• 1590[15:33:32] <fireba11> ouch
• 1591[15:33:39] <jimm> not horrible
• 1592[15:33:49] <vsayikiran> jimm: recently upgraded
• 1593[15:33:57] <jimm> what cpu?
• 1594[15:34:09] <vsayikiran> jimm: now planning to upgrade cpu too T2300 to T7600 core 2 duo
• 1595[15:34:42] <jimm> it's a core 2 duo?
• 1596[15:34:45] <vsayikiran> 32bit to 64 bit which as per my research is possible........T7600 is 64 bit that is max possible cpu i can upgrade to
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• 1598[15:34:53] <vsayikiran> t2300 is core duo
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• 1601[15:35:47] <jimm> oh ok... what cpu does the dell have in it?
• 1602[15:35:49] <epsilon> is it worth upgrading? I mean gen3-5 core-i Laptops are flooding eBay and kind of free give away...
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• 1607[15:36:36] <fireba11> epsilon: for our next company hardware giveaway we plan to throw out i4770 desktops :-P
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• 1609[15:39:03] <jimm> vsayikiran, what cpu is in your Dell D520?
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• 1613[15:40:53] <epsilon> actually I still have gen1 i5 laptop at work, but just for shell to administrate stuff
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• 1615[15:43:43] <jimm> vsayikiran, search google for: debian netinstall with firmware
• 1616[15:44:39] <jimm> for writing the image to a usb, you'll want the iso-cd images
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• 1621[15:46:04] <jimm> vsayikiran, also read up on the installer, be sure you know the ins and outs... good luck :)
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• 1640[16:02:06] <vsayikiran> jimm: why netinstall with firmware is required?....Does it install or setup anything in BIOS?....since i understand firmware as BIOS
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• 1643[16:02:59] <greycat> BIOS is the old, legacy IBM PC motherboard firmware. Other devices can also have firmware, not only motherboards.
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• 1645[16:03:25] <greycat> Various firmware packages exist for network interfaces, video chipsets, etc.
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• 1653[16:07:38] <Akuw> hi greycat
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• 1655[16:07:42] <Akuw> heheheh
• 1656[16:08:12] <Bushmills> many devices, also network cards, had their firmware on board as so called "BIOS extensions" - but eventually this become uncommon, and instead it was loaded from storage instead
• 1657[16:08:29] <Bushmills> and it's called a "driver" now
• 1658[16:08:42] <greycat> no, drivers and firmware are different
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• 1661[16:08:50] <vsayikiran> I never need it although during install i get message iwl945wifi is non free firmware
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• 1663[16:09:03] <greycat> A driver is code that runs in the kernel. Firmware is code that runs inside the device.
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• 1666[16:09:41] <vsayikiran> that this needs to loaded from external source......i never did it...........i dont have issues using wifi without firmware
• 1667[16:09:58] <greycat> lucky you
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• 1669[16:10:05] <Bushmills> from OS point of view, yes. from device point of view the name is used interchangeably
• 1670[16:10:27] <greycat> sounds like you're saying "from the Windows user's point of view, it's interchangeable", which might be true, but it's not correct
• 1671[16:10:29] <Bushmills> as in, when one looks firmware, it is because he needs the right drivers for the device
• 1672[16:11:37] <vsayikiran> can live cd image be installed in usb and used for installing on HDD
• 1673[16:11:54] <Bushmills> It's be less correct, had I called it "Linux driver"
• 1674[16:11:55] <uRock> Yup, I needed the non-free firmware for both of my wireless NICs on this machine. The regular Live image listed the NICs, but did not offer any networks. Used the installer with non-free firmware and they both worked.
• 1675[16:11:55] <greycat> the only way to find out is to test it
• 1676[16:11:57] <vsayikiran> not installed* sorry it is burning iso image on usb
• 1677[16:12:40] <greycat> The *intent* of the Debian live images is that they should be usable to install Debian as well as running Live, but that does not always work.
• 1678[16:12:43] <greycat> So, testing.
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• 1681[16:13:14] <vsayikiran> greycat: I want to install buster stable version
• 1682[16:13:53] <Akuw> greycat: yesterday conclusion was, in the VPN server they have to add my user to SSLVPN
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• 1684[16:15:21] <uRock> vsayikiran, replaced-url
• 1685[16:17:16] <k-man> how do i modify the boot order of items in uefi?
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• 1687[16:17:20] <k-man> for a dual boot system
• 1688[16:18:31] <Akuw> and SonicWall VPN Client can't run using wine
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• 1691[16:21:47] <BCMM> k-man: are these items menu entries in something like grub? or are you talking about boot order in the firmware's own menu?
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• 1693[16:23:00] <k-man> DCMM i think the latter
• 1694[16:23:11] <k-man> sorry, i mean BCMM
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• 1696[16:23:55] <k-man> the real problem is this. I boot linux from internal SSD and windows from an external SSD. currently to boot windows I have to press f12 at boot time, then select windows
• 1697[16:24:25] <k-man> I'd rather it would default to boot windows if the external SSD is connected, and default to the internal SSD (linux) if there is no external SSD
• 1698[16:24:30] <k-man> maybe this is a bios order thing
• 1699[16:24:45] <k-man> I find uefi very confusing
• 1700[16:24:56] <k-man> rebooting to check - brb
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• 1716[16:34:17] <k-man> yes - that did the trick. Thanks BCMM
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• 1719[16:36:11] <BenLue> Currently running Debian Strech virtualized with Hyper-V. To my problem: My root directory is 100% occupied: replaced-url
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• 1721[16:36:41] <k-man> BenLue: probably something like grow2fs
• 1722[16:36:53] <k-man> depending on what filesystem the root partition is
• 1723[16:37:01] <k-man> you'll have to grow the partition, then grow the fs
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• 1730[16:40:23] <BenLue> k-man; i need a livecd?
• 1731[16:40:32] <BenLue> i cant umount /dev/sda1
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• 1734[16:40:56] <k-man> BenLue: possibly.
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• 1736[16:41:12] <k-man> BenLue: I'm not sure though
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• 1741[16:42:26] <BenLue> possibly? I do not feel like losing my data :/
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• 1750[16:45:59] <kxsupreme> Well anyone here who has deployed any django app?
• 1751[16:46:14] <greycat> !anyone
• 1752[16:46:14] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 1753[16:46:14] <kxsupreme> I would like to know the basic config or stack setting
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• 1759[16:48:53] <karlpinc> kxsupreme: I'm not a django fan, but you should be able to install python and your wsgi http server of choice and just use it.
• 1760[16:48:56] <Habbie> kxsupreme, i see you asking this in various channels; that is often considered rude; also, as mentioned in #centos, you should ask in #django
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• 1762[16:51:00] <karlpinc> BenLue: resize2fs can be run on your root partition with it mounted. (Assuming you're using ext3 or ext4 for your filesystem.)
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• 1764[16:52:11] <kxsupreme> Habbie: this is not a rude behavior in any way I'm just expecting multiple insights
• 1765[16:52:21] <karlpinc> BenLue: I don't know what "extened the hard drive" means. You may need to grow your partition before telling the fs to use the new partition.
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• 1767[16:52:39] <Habbie> kxsupreme, yes, it is rude, you are wasting the time of more people than if you ask in one place
• 1768[16:52:58] <karlpinc> kxsupreme: "rude" is defined socially, and on IRC asking multiple channels is rude.
• 1769[16:53:06] <MrShared> kxsupreme: asking without a 'real' question is wasting time
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• 1771[16:53:31] <MrShared> so I've deployed a few django apps
• 1772[16:53:38] <tds> plenty of other people are also on multiple channels themselves, and splitting conversations between them simultaneously gets messy and confusing
• 1773[16:53:44] <MrShared> but yes if this answers your question, fine
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• 1775[16:54:12] <MrShared> tds: correct, i can see all other joined channels in my IRC app
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• 1781[16:56:31] <kxsupreme1> now by arguing with me you guys wasted time. Either you answer or you don't. it's that Simple
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• 1783[16:57:06] <greycat> I choose "not". *plonk*
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• 1838[17:29:16] <brutser> for the lenvo laptop, everything else is basic install. what can be causing this? no errors i can find in logs...
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• 1862[17:43:16] <ratrace> ext2 or ext4+nobarrier for a volatile fs that can be easily restored from backup if something fails, and failure is not critical ?
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• 1865[17:44:09] <ratrace> nobarrier or even better, disable journal completely
• 1866[17:44:42] <BCMM> ratrace: what do you mean by "volatile" in this case?
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• 1869[17:45:03] <ratrace> BCMM: scratch area
• 1870[17:45:09] <BCMM> is it actually backed by RAM? ext may not be the best choice there
• 1871[17:45:15] <petn-randall> ext2 doesn't have a journal ...
• 1872[17:46:13] <ratrace> exactly, so if i want less overhead, should go with ext2 or ext4 with disabled journal ; i'm guessing ext4 is improvement in other areas so that'd be preferred?
• 1873[17:46:14] <BCMM> petn-randall: i think ratrace was talking about the "ext4+nobarrier" option there
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• 1875[17:46:33] <ratrace> yup and in fact no journal at all
• 1876[17:47:20] <BCMM> ratrace: yes. ext3 minus journaling *would* be basically ext2; but, as you suggested, ext4 added some other stuff
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• 1879[17:48:02] <ratrace> ext2 would be handled by the ext4 kernel module anyway, so i'm guessing i should just go with ext4 sans the journal
• 1880[17:48:20] <BCMM> but you haven't really answered what this fs is for. should you just be using tmpfs?
• 1881[17:48:50] <ratrace> scratch area, temporary and caching files that I want to survive reboot, and don't want to waste RAM on, i need disk persistence, thus most performant fs
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• 1884[17:49:15] <BCMM> ah, the term "volatile" often means that it isn't expected to survive reboot
• 1885[17:49:19] <dstaring> How do you all handle "notifications"? I mean, what program do you use in order to receive, display (in a useful manner, such as "balloon tips") and manage "notifications"? I'm abusing an abandoned RSS client myself, which polls a localhost-hosted RSS feed representing the 100 latest notifications every second. This is an *insane* waste of resources, even though they never leave my computer. Not to mention I'm forced to use an abandonware program...
• 1886[17:49:19] <dstaring> How do you all handle "notifications" in a sane manner?
• 1887[17:49:25] <ratrace> BCMM: yeah, sorry my bad
• 1888[17:49:47] <BCMM> dstaring: what sort of sources are those notifications in the rss feed coming from, originally?
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• 1891[17:51:17] <dstaring> BCMM: My own internal scripts.
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• 1893[17:51:32] <dstaring> BCMM: They are put into my database table, which in turn generates the RSS feed.
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• 1902[17:58:13] <jhutchins_wk> Is there a way to get du to not follow symlinks? -x doesn't seem to work.
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• 1904[17:59:19] <greycat> it only follows the ones you actually tell it to follow by name, right?
• 1905[17:59:30] <Cyanoxygen> `-P, --no-dereference don't follow any symbolic links (this is the default)`
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• 1918[18:04:00] <minall> Hello!
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• 1920[18:04:56] <minall> I need to make a debian installation video, I'm planning to do it on a virtual machione on my pc, and a screen recorder, but... I'm not sure what VM should I use
• 1921[18:04:58] <EoflaOE> Hello minall
• 1922[18:05:05] <minall> EoflaOE: o/
• 1923[18:05:18] <minall> How do I check which debian version do I have, btw
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• 1925[18:05:38] <uRock> settings > details
• 1926[18:05:43] <uRock> virtualbox
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• 1928[18:06:26] <EoflaOE> minall: To get debian version, do cat /etc/debian_version
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• 1937[18:08:39] <minall> Thanks!
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• 1939[18:08:51] <EoflaOE> You are welcome.
• 1940[18:08:59] <vsayikiran> minall: open terminal and execute lsb_release
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• 1945[18:17:05] <BCMM> dstaring: it sounds like you could at least get rid of the polling by using inotify on the rss feed, and an rss client that can be pragmatically made to refresh
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• 1947[18:18:57] <BCMM> dstaring: but if we're strictly talking about gui notifications in your desktop session, you should probably consider libnotify. are you using a desktop environment? you might already be running a notification server
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• 1953[18:20:31] <BCMM> (you can use notify-send in shell scripts, or there are libraries/bindings for dozens of languages)
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• 1957[18:20:51] <dstaring> inotify?
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• 1959[18:22:01] <BCMM> dstaring: inotify is a kernel mechanism for finding out when files change. almost any time you're polling a file for changes, you should be using inotify instead
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• 1961[18:22:33] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: It's a matter of syntax. -sh was transversing a mount, -shx doesn't, du -sh /var/log/* does.
• 1962[18:22:47] <BCMM> dstaring: the name's a bit confusing in this context; it's got nothing in particular to do with "notifications" in the sense we're talking about them
• 1963[18:23:08] <BCMM> it's just an API that notifies a program when a monitored file changes, with low overhead
• 1964[18:23:17] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: is the symlink that it's traversing, which you DO NOT want it to traverse, one of the direct expansions of /var/log/* or is it deeper?
• 1965[18:24:20] <jhutchins_wk> The first.
• 1966[18:24:29] <jhutchins_wk> /var/log/symlink
• 1967[18:24:50] <jhutchins_wk> which is /var/log/mount/subdir
• 1968[18:25:10] <greycat> You TOLD it to measure /var/log/symlink so it's doing so.
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• 1970[18:25:17] <jhutchins_wk> Indeed.
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• 1972[18:26:38] <greycat> if you want something like "measure all of /var/log/* which are real dirs and not symlinks" you'll need to combine it with find, or some kind of shell loop. find would be better.
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• 1974[18:26:54] <BCMM> dstaring: e.g. a shell script could do `inotifywait -e modify file.rss`; and it'll automatically wait until file.rss changes, without needing to poll or really use any significant resources
• 1975[18:26:55] <greycat> find /var/log -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec du yourargs {} +
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• 1979[18:27:42] <greycat> after testing...
• 1980[18:27:46] <greycat> find /var/log -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec du yourargs {} +
• 1981[18:28:24] <greycat> otherwise it gets /var/log as the first argument, does that, then ignores the others because they're children of /var/log
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• 1986[18:30:47] <jhutchins_wk> The net solution turns out to be "why are you retaining five years of logs?".
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• 2010[18:43:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys i need some help with cleaning up my interfaces on my desktop
• 2011[18:43:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> i got two interfaces one with a dhcp ip i guess and the other that is suppose to be static.
• 2012[18:44:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> i just want the static, whats the commands to removed this dhcp one..
• 2013[18:44:46] <greycat> ... how many physical network interfaces do you have in this desktop system?
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• 2015[18:45:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> just eth1
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• 2019[18:46:26] <greycat> you claim you have ONE physical interface, and yet it's named eth1? did you transfer this hard drive from a different system, or replace the network interface at some point in the past?
• 2020[18:46:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> ifconfig is gone i guess replaced
• 2021[18:46:32] <mortderi1> folks - where can I find guidance on how to install Debian 10 over serial console?
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• 2024[18:46:54] <EoflaOE> What is the name of the interface that is the dhcp one?
• 2025[18:46:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> well if you want to whole story,
• 2026[18:47:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 2027[18:47:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> i think back in the day when they interface names were change it messed up something and i got dupes
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• 2029[18:48:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> its possible i got two nics i havent looked at the back of pc for like a year
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• 2031[18:48:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> just the one..
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• 2033[18:49:17] <greycat> So according to your paste, you have one physical interface, eth1, which has two ipv4 addresses, 192.168.1.7/24 and 192.168.1.222/24
• 2034[18:49:34] <greycat> Check your /etc/network/interfaces first, and see if you
• 2035[18:49:47] <greycat> you're doing something in there which would assign two addresses.
• 2036[18:50:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> nah
• 2037[18:50:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> i only got lo in there everything is commented out, i should be using dhcp,
• 2038[18:50:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> still trying to systemd resolve and dhcp to work right for vpn but one thing at time..
• 2039[18:50:37] <greycat> If it's not in /e/n/i then you're either using Network Manager, or systemd-networkd.
• 2040[18:50:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah network manager
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• 2051[18:56:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok dhcp keeps trying to put stuff in /etc/resolv.conf
• 2052[18:56:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> how do i fix that..
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• 2054[18:57:21] <greycat> !resolv.conf
• 2055[18:57:21] <dpkg> /etc/resolv.conf is a resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It is written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>.
• 2056[18:57:29] <greycat> !override dns
• 2057[18:57:29] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
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• 2059[18:57:45] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Is something wrong with ssl certs?
• 2060[18:58:14] <Mathisen> Aurora_iz_kosmos, nope
• 2061[18:58:17] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Firefox seems to load fine (but it has its own bundled certs). Meanwhile curl, w3m and others are reporting errors for me.
• 2062[18:58:33] <greycat> kind of a deep question... if you've discovered a vulnerability in TLS or something, we're not equipped to deal with that
• 2063[18:58:59] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> More like I'm getting "invalid sig" errors on different machines.
• 2064[18:59:16] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> tls12_check_peer_sigalg: wrong signature type
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• 2066[18:59:57] <avu> Aurora_iz_kosmos: you mean on debian.org?
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• 2068[19:00:01] <avu> if so: wfm
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• 2070[19:00:20] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Debian.org unaffected.
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• 2072[19:00:47] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> replaced-url
• 2073[19:00:56] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> (Google is similarly unaffected)
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• 2075[19:01:08] <greycat> lynx gives me 403 Forbidden on that one
• 2076[19:01:23] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> You're not affected then. Because that means TLS handshake didn't fail first.
• 2077[19:01:38] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> My ArchLinux machine is similarly unaffected.
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• 2086[19:03:31] <Mathisen> i also get forbidden with lynx on a clean buster and my arch
• 2087[19:03:56] <greycat> so, something unique to Aurora_iz_kosmos's machine
• 2088[19:03:59] <greycat> or network
• 2089[19:04:00] <ayekat> heh, that site there just throws a raw XML at my face
• 2090[19:04:16] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Hm. I'll check if it's my country doing shit it shouldn't...
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• 2093[19:04:41] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Torified access also fails.
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• 2097[19:06:29] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> It only affects my Debian machines.
• 2098[19:07:12] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> And only if I use the Debian cert checks. (Guix is unaffected)
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• 2100[19:08:27] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Which lib is usually responsible for TLS on most Debian programs?
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• 2103[19:08:58] <greycat> on buster, lynx is linked with libgnutls.so.30
• 2104[19:09:09] <greycat> you can see this with ldd
• 2105[19:09:26] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> I have 3.6.7-4
• 2106[19:09:31] <greycat> ,v lynx
• 2107[19:09:33] <judd> Package: lynx on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.9dev1-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.8.9dev11-1; buster: 2.8.9rel.1-3; bullseye: 2.9.0dev.1-2; sid: 2.9.0dev.1-2
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• 2109[19:09:34] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> This is the current version, correct?
• 2110[19:09:36] <greycat> *sigh*
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• 2113[19:09:59] <greycat> ,v libgnutls30
• 2114[19:10:00] <judd> Package: libgnutls30 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 3.5.8-5+deb9u1; stretch: 3.5.8-5+deb9u4; buster: 3.6.7-4; bullseye: 3.6.8-2; sid: 3.6.8-2
• 2115[19:10:08] <greycat> OK, you might actually be using Debian.
• 2116[19:10:11] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Seems like it.
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• 2118[19:11:12] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> And it stopped happening.
• 2119[19:11:34] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Ah. No. Just lynx not being affected.
• 2120[19:11:50] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Could it be that `w3m` uses an outdated SSL lib?
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• 2122[19:12:10] <greycat> OK, w3m does indeed give an error.
• 2123[19:12:18] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0) ...okay then. That answers why.
• 2124[19:12:29] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Those sites no-longer support TLS 1.1 downgrading.
• 2125[19:12:35] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Which is good.
• 2126[19:13:05] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> And curl also depends on that lib.
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• 2140[19:17:27] <koollman> Aurora_iz_kosmos: iirc, libssl1.1 supports tls1.2
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• 2142[19:17:53] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> So perhaps those servers only access some newer algos?
• 2143[19:18:00] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> s/access/accept/
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• 2146[19:18:40] <koollman> Aurora_iz_kosmos: do you have an error message ? or you can probably test directly with openssl
• 2147[19:18:45] <greycat> koollman: I think the question is, does libssl1.1 *only* support tls1.2 and nothing older?
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• 2149[19:19:17] <jmcnaught> There's a note in /usr/share/doc/libssl1.1/NEWS.Debian.gz that I think could be related
• 2150[19:19:19] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> (TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_GCM_SHA256, 128 bit keys, TLS 1.2) is what firefox reports the connection succeeds as.
• 2151[19:19:22] <koollman> greycat: ah. default protocol/cipher depends on application choice
• 2152[19:19:39] <greycat> jmcnaught: aha.
• 2153[19:21:18] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> koollman: curl: (35) error:1414D172:SSL routines:tls12_check_peer_sigalg:wrong signature type
• 2154[19:21:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> thanks greycat
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• 2160[19:25:16] <koollman> something about security level changed ?
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• 2165[19:27:24] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 2166[19:27:25] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2169[19:28:08] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Oh my, interesting.
• 2170[19:28:53] <koollman> echo | openssl s_client -servername i.kym-cdn.com -connect i.kym-cdn.com:443 -cipher DEFAULT@SECLEVEL=1 # works, then try with =2, fails ...
• 2171[19:30:12] <koollman> Aurora_iz_kosmos: so, it's the opposite. the site doesn't support valid tls negociation :)
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• 2175[19:33:12] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> koollman: That's a shame. I should probably bug them.
• 2176[19:33:20] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> But thanks a lot for finding that.
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• 2211[19:53:48] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Nice to know Debian is up-to-date on security. :)
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• 2219[19:56:40] <ratrace> it's a tug of war whack-a-mole game. tug with the baddies, hammer tied to the rope and you have to whack a cve moles
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• 2225[19:59:37] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> heh
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• 2250[20:22:30] <oliv3> hi, looking for some links on how to set up exim4 in buster using letsencrypt
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• 2273[20:35:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok peeps i got it undercontrol now ty
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• 2275[20:36:38] <preyalone> sid mirrors keep timing out for different *-udeb packages :/
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• 2278[20:38:29] <annadane> preyalone, i'd probably report that on #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net
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• 2301[20:58:29] <arka500> what is this ISO specifically for replaced-url
• 2302[20:58:50] <arka500> what is the difference between this one and the normal netinst ISO?
• 2303[20:58:53] <greycat> !listkeys debian-mac
• 2304[20:58:55] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'debian-mac' by key returned no results.
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• 2308[20:59:33] <greycat> see if it's described in the readme-type text that you get from that server when you go to those directories
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• 2312[21:00:12] <luna> What is a mac netinst image?
• 2313[21:00:12] <luna> The mac netinst CD here is a special version of the netinst CD image that is targeted specifically at older 64-bit Intel Macintosh machines. It will likely work on most other amd64 machines too, but it does not contain UEFI boot files that some people need. See the Debian Wiki for more information.
• 2314[21:00:16] <arka500> this is from the main download page replaced-url
• 2315[21:00:18] <luna> @ greycat arka500
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• 2317[21:00:43] <arka500> luna so thats it?
• 2318[21:00:45] <luna> so its for Macs with older EFI
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• 2323[21:01:53] <arka500> oh my bad, I found more info about this in wiki replaced-url
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• 2325[21:02:24] <arka500> also XFCE is the official GUI now?
• 2326[21:02:41] <greycat> It is one of several supported Desktop Environments.
• 2327[21:02:50] <annadane> it's still GNOME by default
• 2328[21:03:02] <annadane> not that debian really has 'an official' one
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• 2330[21:03:38] <arka500> no I mean the download page only have this one no GNOME replaced-url
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• 2332[21:04:24] <arka500> oh I guess its the CD version
• 2333[21:04:34] <arka500> not the larger DVD files
• 2334[21:04:45] <greycat> gnome doesn't fit on a CD
• 2335[21:04:49] <arka500> heh
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• 2340[21:06:20] <arka500> should download the *-DVD-3.iso the ;)
• 2341[21:06:30] <arka500> 4.4G, nice
• 2342[21:06:38] <greycat> why would you want that?
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• 2344[21:07:17] <arka500> greycat I generally use netinst mostly, just wanted to download that one and check it out to see what comes preinstalled
• 2345[21:07:33] <greycat> well, I very seriously doubt you want DVD-3 without DVD-1
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• 2348[21:08:10] <arka500> greycat oh I have to download all 3 of them
• 2349[21:08:40] <greycat> There is no difference in what is "preinstalled" based on the size of the image. What matters is what you select in the task selection interface near the end of the installation. That specified what you get. The size and age of the image specifies how many things you have to download.
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• 2351[21:09:16] <arka500> greycat so in the end, netinst is good enough then?
• 2352[21:09:40] <greycat> If you have a Debian 10.0.0 DVD-1 image and you try to use it to install Debian a year from now, most of the packages on it will have been superseded by security or point-release updates, so you'll still end up downloading almost everything.
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• 2355[21:10:18] <arka500> greycat ah well, you are right
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• 2357[21:10:47] <greycat> That's why I get so frustrated by people who insist on downloading multiple DVD images. It's such a waste.
• 2358[21:11:35] <arka500> greycat gonna stick to netinst then as always
• 2359[21:11:59] <old_school> greycat, you've got a point there.
• 2360[21:12:09] <arka500> greycat I guess those are useful in systems that you have to set up Internet after installing
• 2361[21:12:40] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Are those really so bad? There's cases where you want to use it on closed offline systems.
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• 2364[21:13:05] <greycat> The intended use of a full DVD set is to install Debian on machines that have no network at all, or to install on a whole *bunch* of machines when Internet bandwidth is scarce or expensive.
• 2365[21:13:32] <arka500> I remember Installing OpenSUSE few years back and how I had to manually fiddle in the Network Settings to enable Internet somehow it could not detect my Wired Internet....
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• 2367[21:14:16] <arka500> so the whole Installer was working as if I was offline
• 2368[21:14:17] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Some NICs require firmware. That's more common on server hardware.
• 2369[21:14:30] <arka500> never experienced anything like this with Debian
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• 2373[21:14:49] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> I have on servers. Not on user devices.
• 2374[21:15:16] <greycat> Most ethernet NICs don't need it, but most wireless NICs do.
• 2375[21:15:24] <greycat> There are exceptions on both sides.
• 2376[21:15:24] <arka500> Aurora_iz_kosmos I guess thats more common in a server scenario
• 2377[21:15:37] <arka500> *server environment
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• 2381[21:18:28] <arka500> my closest encounter with server is using Debian CLI in my Raspberry Pi "home server"
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• 2384[21:20:37] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Ah yeah. Raspy has generally well-supported hardware.
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• 2419[21:40:18] <preyalone> is a fresh sid install supposed to have "buster", "sid", or "unstable" repos in /etc/apt/sources.list?
• 2420[21:40:38] <greycat> There is no such thing as a "sid install", fresh or otherwise.
• 2421[21:40:50] <greycat> You install stable, and then you edit your sources, and dist-upgrade.
• 2422[21:41:00] <preyalone> neat! thanks, greycat
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• 2427[21:45:23] <selectallcars> am i correct in saying stretch is not lts until 2020, and the current security team still handles updates for stretch (not lts volunteers)?
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• 2429[21:45:46] <greycat> yes
• 2430[21:46:40] <selectallcars> thanks bro
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• 2433[21:49:01] <selectallcars> would i be right in saying amd64 gets more attention than i686 (in general, performance, stability, etc)?
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• 2436[21:50:31] <Akuw> i have a confusion, when you configure ssh access with public key, is somebody try to connect from another computer using same user name that will request password
• 2437[21:50:32] <Habbie> selectallcars, i can't speak for the debian project, but broadly, yes
• 2438[21:51:00] <Akuw> but in some configurations, does not allow connection unless use public key?
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• 2441[21:51:17] <greycat> Akuw: you can disable password authentication, if that's what you want.
• 2442[21:51:29] <Akuw> ohhhh ok
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• 2445[21:51:48] <Akuw> greycat: thanks
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• 2447[21:52:12] <selectallcars> Habbie thanks - i was thinking simply the fact the user base is mostly amd64 so gets more attention perhaps makes this so
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• 2449[21:52:28] <greycat> most security bugs are not arch-specific
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• 2454[21:54:02] <selectallcars> greycat i understand (interesting observation, amd64 boots quicker than i686 non pae here, seeing as binaries are bigger im not sure how)
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• 2457[21:55:43] <selectallcars> but memory is obviously different - 90mb vs 60mb after boot
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• 2462[21:57:13] <selectallcars> one last thing...if my cpu does not support spectre protections, would disabling mitigations be useful for performance increases or will the kernel know and not apply them in the first place?
• 2463[21:57:28] <ArlequInOut> greycat, no, but exploit mitigation can be and some use arch specific functionality like R^W replaced-url
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• 2468[22:00:41] <ArlequInOut> or replaced-url
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• 2484[22:08:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys is there a email gateway for gmail?
• 2485[22:09:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> like davmail
• 2486[22:09:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> also my gnome keyring is not working
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• 2488[22:10:54] <lope> atom has crashed. I'm sending kill -9 to it's pid, but it doesn't die
• 2489[22:11:13] <lope> sending kill -9 as root
• 2490[22:11:24] <lope> it's definitely the correct PID
• 2491[22:11:36] <lope> I've tried running htop as root, and sending SIGKILL from there also.
• 2492[22:11:51] <lope> The S column in HTOP is showing a D
• 2493[22:12:21] <pihahiroth> D-E-D ded
• 2494[22:12:23] <LtL> lope: it's probably a zombie, check 'top' if it is, only rebooting will remove it.
• 2495[22:12:45] <greycat> !zombie
• 2496[22:12:45] <dpkg> A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
• 2497[22:13:29] <lope> CPU % column in system monitor says disk-sleep
• 2498[22:14:53] <lope> LtL, thanks, i guess I have to reboot
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• 2502[22:16:41] <greycat> (killing the zombie's parent orphans the zombie, and then init (PID 1) adopts it, and quickly wait()s to reap it)
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• 2509[22:18:36] <cosimo_> hello anyone encountered with nvidia driver problem in optimus laptops ?
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• 2517[22:21:26] <preyalone> the sparc64 qemu static packages don't fully register sparc64 binaries for running on amd64 hosts, compared to the ppc64el, mips64el, etc. packages. sparc64 ./hello-world C app generates "cannot execute binary file: Exec format error". Fortunately, qemu-sparc64-static appears to work.
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• 2526[22:25:18] <lope> greycat, I rebooted. now I can start atom again. htop wasn't showing any parent process for atom
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• 2528[22:27:55] <omnio> guys, I have a bad habit: everytime I want to search for all the packages containing a string in their names and are installed I run something like "apt search *string* | grep installed". Is there a better/orthodox way to do this?
• 2529[22:28:16] <greycat> if that works, I don't see the problem
• 2530[22:28:48] <omnio> it works great actually :)
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• 2535[22:34:13] <Habbie> omnio, dpkg -l | grep string
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• 2539[22:38:05] <omnio> Habbie: that's nice too but it also searches for the string in the description, I guess. Anyway it's useful, thanks
• 2540[22:38:20] <greycat> and apt seach doesn't?
• 2541[22:38:25] <greycat> search*
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• 2544[22:39:06] * greycat tests... "apt search gnutls" definitely returns packages that do not have the string "gnutls" in their names. Like "tclcurl".
• 2545[22:39:32] <omnio> oh yes. apt does too.
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• 2547[22:40:02] <ratrace> i always add --names-only or else it's an unrelated mess
• 2548[22:40:13] <greycat> I was kinda hoping, but also hoping for it not to work... because typing "--names-only" is a MASSIVE pain and I have to type it so very often... but I also don't want to have to use apt(8).
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• 2550[22:40:43] <ratrace> "@google debian package foobar" ftw :)
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• 2553[22:41:13] <omnio> "apt list *string* | grep installed", maybe this should work
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• 2555[22:41:33] <omnio> and search only in the names
• 2556[22:42:22] <greycat> wooledg:~$ apt list gnutls
• 2557[22:42:23] <greycat> Listing... Done
• 2558[22:42:37] <greycat> does not seem immediately useful
• 2559[22:43:13] <greycat> apt list '*gnutls*' is slightly more useful
• 2560[22:43:34] <omnio> yes, it needs to be motivated by the globs :)
• 2561[22:43:49] <greycat> and hey, added bonus, it doesn't use three lines of vertical terminal real estate per result
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• 2563[22:46:21] <jimm> does netinstall images have utilities that can look at the smart data on a drive?
• 2564[22:46:52] <jimm> I'm trying to reinstall debian, I'm starting to suspect the hard drive
• 2565[22:47:15] <jezebel> unlikely
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• 2569[22:49:19] <preyalone> cmake gets confused and tries to search for CXX, in a deb ports 100% pure C project targeting sparc64 from amd64 host. never seen this behavior before. oh well, setting CC=sparc64-linux-gnu-gcc CXX=sparc64-linux-gnu-g++ anyway
• 2570[22:49:53] <coruja> omnio, apt list --installed *string*
• 2571[22:50:02] <greycat> since when can you configure cmake with anything as simple as CC=
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• 2573[22:51:33] <karlpinc> jimm: You'd want a live image for that. If it does not have the tools you can download them and install them (the smartmontool package). Of course whether the newly installed packages remain across reboots is something that depends on how the live image is used.
• 2574[22:53:47] <omnio> coruja: nice, thanks, that also colors the names
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• 2582[22:57:14] <jimm> karlpinc, the basic problem is I can't boot the system at the moment... I think I might have to clear off grub from 3 different places
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• 2590[23:03:36] <cosimo_> guys
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• 2592[23:03:41] <cosimo_> aynone can help me out ?
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• 2594[23:03:52] <joze> absolutely me
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• 2597[23:06:32] <Bushmills> cosimo_: replaced-url
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• 2599[23:07:31] <cosimo_> well thanks lol
• 2600[23:08:02] <LtL> cosimo_: nobody can possibly help if you don't state the problem.
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• 2603[23:08:43] <cosimo_> nvidia property drivers not working for me i've msi laptop which has optimus
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• 2605[23:09:10] <ratrace> cosimo_: opensuse or debian?
• 2606[23:09:15] <cosimo_> deb
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• 2608[23:09:28] <ratrace> cuz you asked the same in #suse minutes ago
• 2609[23:09:57] <cosimo_> that was a mistake
• 2610[23:09:58] <cosimo_> sorry
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• 2613[23:10:05] <ratrace> not sure what kind of help you'd expect if that's not debian ; if we tell you to apt install something ; whatcha gonna do
• 2614[23:10:46] <LtL> cosimo_: bumblebee is the only solution i've heard of, and i've never heard of much sucess with it.
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• 2618[23:11:32] <LtL> cosimo_: i have optimus nvidia but i prefer to use integrated intel.
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• 2620[23:11:41] <cosimo_> well bumblebee is outdated as far i know
• 2621[23:11:48] <cosimo_> problem is i can use nouveau
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• 2623[23:11:52] <cosimo_> just cant official nvidia
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• 2625[23:13:26] <LtL> cosimo_: can you paste.debian.net with output of 'lspci -nn'
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• 2627[23:14:13] <cosimo_> sure sec
• 2628[23:14:57] <cosimo_> replaced-url
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• 2630[23:15:43] <LtL> ,pciid 8086:191b
• 2631[23:15:44] <judd> [8086:191b] is 'HD Graphics 530' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 2632[23:16:27] <LtL> cosimo_: looks like i915 should work, you'll need to lose the nvidia crap probably
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• 2634[23:16:43] <cosimo_> problem is x server settings not working and if i start nvidia-xconfig x goes crazy in next restart
• 2635[23:16:48] <cosimo_> i dont know whats wrong
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• 2637[23:17:08] <LtL> cosimo_: hopefully that applies to buster, if that's what you're on.
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• 2639[23:17:30] <Nidhoegger> Hi. Is there any way to get a AMD Navi GPU running on debian buster?
• 2640[23:17:37] <cosimo_> ill look into it
• 2641[23:17:41] <LtL> cosimo_: nvidia is whats wrong
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• 2645[23:18:19] <LtL> mostly optimus in your case, cosimo_
• 2646[23:18:26] <cosimo_> you just explained me, LtL
• 2647[23:18:39] <cosimo_> yep thanks to msi i just cant disable gpu as well
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• 2650[23:19:48] <LtL> cosimo_: you can uninstall nvidia drivers, check any blacklisting and it should load i915
• 2651[23:20:24] <cosimo_> i can load i915 no problem in there
• 2652[23:21:22] <cosimo_> maybe i should create a bug report or something coz i've this problem only in debian
• 2653[23:21:43] <LtL> cosimo_: lsmod |grep -i nvidia -- any output?
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• 2655[23:24:34] <LtL> cosimo_: i'm not familiar w/msi but your BIOS may give you options.
• 2656[23:25:10] <cosimo_> we don't have much options in bios
• 2657[23:25:21] <cosimo_> i need to modify the bios for gpu selection
• 2658[23:25:31] <cosimo_> and im too lazy for that actualyl
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• 2661[23:26:03] <cosimo_> ill send you the output btw give me a sec
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• 2667[23:28:18] <LtL> cosimo_: also check dmesg for missing firmware, often the case with debian. '# dmesg |grep -i firmware'
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• 2670[23:31:44] <cosimo_> LtL, firmwares are ok
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• 2672[23:32:46] <Habbie> i ran fwupdmgr update and grub disappeared :S
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• 2675[23:34:06] <cosimo_> Habbie, do u have dual boot?
• 2676[23:34:20] <cosimo_> LtL, replaced-url
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• 2678[23:35:06] <cosimo_> i installed wificard btw eheh
• 2679[23:36:01] <Habbie> cosimo_, yes
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• 2683[23:37:52] <cosimo_> Habbie, copy your grub efi binary to EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi on EFI partition that will solve your problem i hope
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• 2687[23:38:30] <Habbie> cosimo_, it is solved now with a debian rescue image - i have no doubt something like what you said would have worked too
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• 2691[23:39:10] <cosimo_> Habbie, cool :)
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• 2699[23:43:37] <preyalone> apt says to replace libc6:alpha with tzdata, libdb1-compat, libdb1-compat:alpha. But libdb1-compat[:amd64] conflicts with the alpha edition, and is not actually necessary
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• 2712[23:53:37] <frogwine> hi there! LtL , are you here currently?
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• 2714[23:53:55] <LtL> frogwine: yes
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• 2716[23:56:10] <frogwine> I'm friend with cosimo. I just not able on freenode/#debian channel, so cosimo asked for me. It's actually my problem.
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• 2718[23:57:30] <LtL> frogwine: you have firmware issues in dmesg. can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
• 2719[23:59:00] <frogwine> LtL: replaced-url
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