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9 [00:08:22] <kreyren> end-user requires help with debian installation -> Is there an iso with non-free firmware so that end-user has access to it's wifi-driver?
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15 [00:14:25] <jmcnaught> !firmware image
16 [00:14:25] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
17 [00:14:29] <jmcnaught> kreyren: ^
18 [00:15:44] <kreyren> jmcnaught, thanks
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30 [00:25:06] <leftist> what is the download link to do a full install of debian? i am not doing the net install
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33 [00:26:53] <leftist> i keep seeing disk1, is this like centos with multiple disks?
34 [00:27:03] <leftist> i havent installed debian in years is why i am asking
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36 [00:28:05] <jmcnaught> leftist: you won't have network available during the installation?
37 [00:28:20] <leftist> yes i will jmcnaught
38 [00:28:22] <jmcnaught> leftist: the first disk should be all that you need if you are doing a network-less install
39 [00:28:23] <swift110> I have only installed #! and Bunsenlabs and I needed help to do both of them.
40 [00:28:58] <jmcnaught> swift110: only Debian is supported here, you'll need to get support in the IRC channels for those distros.
41 [00:28:59] <petn-randall> swift110: You will have to ask in their respective channels then.
42 [00:29:05] <petn-randall> !crunchbang
43 [00:29:05] <dpkg> CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
44 [00:29:09] <petn-randall> !bunsenlabs
45 [00:29:09] <dpkg> BunsenLabs Linux is a community continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
46 [00:29:26] <petn-randall> swift110: You can find the IRC channels here. ^^^
47 [00:29:39] <leftist> i was going to run mate manager
48 [00:29:42] <jmcnaught> leftist: if you will have network access then using the net installer is recommended. It will result in the least amount of downloading because only a small image is needed, and then the installer downloads required packages.
49 [00:30:17] <leftist> yeah your right i will just do that. i remember with centos i had so much difficulty with connecting, i will give debiann a spin thanks
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51 [00:30:22] <swift110> jmcnaught, and petn-randall thanks but I wasn't asking for support of those debian derivatives. I was only mentioning that's my only experience with something similar to debian
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54 [00:31:15] <jmcnaught> swift110: sorry I misunderstood.
55 [00:31:21] <petn-randall> Ah, ok
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57 [00:31:50] <swift110> jmcnaught, it's cool I am curious to learn more about Debian of course.
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64 [00:33:57] <jmcnaught> swift110: well if you run into trouble installing Debian this is one place to ask. Fortunately the installation process is pretty well documented: replaced-url
65 [00:34:01] <leftist> thanks everyone
66 [00:34:10] <leftist> got it
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73 [00:40:08] <swift110> good to know jmcnaught I have a rather low spec machine that I am on right now and it would be nice to use something more appropiate for its use
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79 [00:44:07] <humpled> hello fellow former crunchbang user /
80 [00:45:08] <humpled> i still have a debian 9 that was just upgraded from bunsenlabs based on deb8 and seemed to work fine and keep its style
81 [00:45:09] <swift110> hey humpled
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83 [00:45:22] <swift110> how were you able to upgrade it like that
84 [00:45:37] <humpled> dunno just changed the sources
85 [00:45:54] <swift110> oh that's cool
86 [00:46:02] <swift110> what de are you using?
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88 [00:46:28] <humpled> that one still has ob but mostly i'm using xfce now, with dusk theme
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92 [00:47:31] <swift110> nice
93 [00:47:47] <petn-randall> If you "crossgrade", things might break as bunsenlabs is not 100% compatible to Debian.
94 [00:48:05] <swift110> is there much a difference in weight between openbox and xfce
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98 [00:50:24] <humpled> sure there's some differences but of course once you open a serious browser they don't matter any more
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101 [00:51:09] <humpled> my xfce is on a single core and seems fine, things might be a bit slow to load
102 [00:51:52] <swift110> goodness a single core, I am on an x60 right now
103 [00:52:17] <swift110> I do agree with you about the browser though. I only have 2 gb on this machine lol
104 [00:52:46] <enri> hi is there any using hexchat?
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107 [00:54:25] <annadane> yep
108 [00:54:27] <humpled> yup there are
109 [00:54:34] <swift110> enri, yes enri why'
110 [00:54:36] <annadane> though i'd like to fully transition to irssi...
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112 [00:55:13] <ryouma> swift110: there is a site that compares wm and de
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114 [00:55:48] <enri> swift110, i dont realy understand how do i show @ and + in front of nicknames?
115 [00:55:57] <swift110> 5 tabs open, irc and telegram and I am still just below a gig of ram used
116 [00:56:09] <enri> now seeing just collors
117 [00:56:15] <swift110> ryouma, link please?
118 [00:56:38] <enri> lie ops have green collor bubble ant etc
119 [00:56:43] <ryouma> swift110: dunno
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123 [01:01:21] <swift110> ok
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134 [01:07:24] <alexandros_tab> hi swift
135 [01:07:30] <alexandros_tab> hi swift110
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142 [01:12:40] <Antoine> Hello, during the upgrade to Buster, I got "warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/share/man/gl/man8': Directory not empty". Debian still works perfectly fine but is there anything I should to about it?
143 [01:12:55] <Antoine> I got that one too "warning: unable to delete old directory '/etc/apm/event.d': Directory not empty"
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147 [01:14:55] <Lady_Aleena> enri, why would you need @ or + in front of user names. Just type in the bare name, and the user will see the message highlighted in the color of their choice (or whatever the default setting is).
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151 [01:16:05] <Lady_Aleena> IRC is not like Twitter or Facebook, so no special characters are needed to highlight a user.
152 [01:17:15] <Lady_Aleena> enri, and, depending on your IRC client, you may have tab complete on user names.
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157 [01:21:06] <enri> Lady_Aleena, no no i just want to those @ or + whose have it on channel. like now in this channel i know the debhelper has an @ but i just seeing green bubble
158 [01:21:37] <enri> like you remember first mirc program
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160 [01:22:19] <Lady_Aleena> enri, since you are using hexchat, the "active" people are in black, the inactive ones are in gray.
161 [01:22:48] <gorilla> debhelper has "OPs" so can do actions such as mute or kick people.
162 [01:23:04] <enri> yes i know this
163 [01:23:26] <gorilla> enri: sorry.
164 [01:23:41] <petn-randall> Antoine: That usually is a hint for you to check manually, and clean it up if you don't need anything there.
165 [01:23:45] <petn-randall> *That's
166 [01:24:08] <rhizome> i've got a problem with updating from the docker repo, "does not have a release file" on testing. i see that the underlying version has changed from buster, does docker require that I use that?
167 [01:24:11] <enri> but i see like not old times @debhelper but "greenbubble"debhelper
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173 [01:27:10] <Lady_Aleena> enri, not every op keeps themselves ops unless there is a need for them to be ops.
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175 [01:28:04] <Lady_Aleena> enri, do you need an op right now?
176 [01:28:20] <enri> no no
177 [01:28:32] <Lady_Aleena> enri, then why are you worried about it?
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179 [01:28:57] <jmcnaught> I think enri is asking why ops have some green icon that has replaced the @
180 [01:28:57] <enri> my mistake to explaining what i need :))
181 [01:29:06] <enri> yes
182 [01:29:09] <enri> exatly
183 [01:29:10] <petn-randall> enri: ops seldomly op themselves for various reasons. One is random people begging to get ops just after joining a channel.
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186 [01:29:19] <petn-randall> Other is random trolling targeted at opers
187 [01:29:41] <enri> i want back to old sign
188 [01:29:52] <jmcnaught> enri: the answer to your question is probably theme related, it could be something in your hexchat preferences.
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190 [01:30:43] <enri> its a little bit tricky for me with this stuff i just moved from win to linux
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192 [01:31:16] <enri> my distro have that hexchat
193 [01:31:20] <petn-randall> enri: Ah, congrats on the move! I promise you won't miss going back after a while :)
194 [01:31:51] <enri> its a little diferent like it use to be on win :))
195 [01:31:59] <enri> thanks petn-randall :)
196 [01:32:44] <enri> so maybe my questions also a little wierd you know :))
197 [01:32:52] <silverballz> rhizome: update the apt source file /etc/apt/sources.list REFERENCE:replaced-url
198 [01:33:02] <gorilla> enri: yeah, well done on making the leap.
199 [01:33:28] <Lady_Aleena> enri, you have a lot of adjusting to do. Have fun!
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201 [01:33:54] <enri> yeah i know, i think i having now :))
202 [01:34:13] <enri> what distros you a using?
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207 [01:45:03] <annadane> is it considered crossposting if i already asked a question on the debian subreddit and ask it again here?
208 [01:45:54] <petn-randall> Depends on how much time has passed.
209 [01:45:58] <Unit193> annadane: dunst
210 [01:46:08] <annadane> Unit193, yeah, tried it, doesn't work
211 [01:46:11] <petn-randall> If it's been half a day, it's fine to ask here if you didn't get a response.
212 [01:46:23] <petn-randall> If it's < 10 min, you might get scolded ;)
213 [01:46:24] <Unit193> annadane: You removed it and killed the running process?
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215 [01:46:46] <EDM_Phd> hey guys :))) have a great day and please have a look at my friends mixsets and house music productions!!!! THANKYOU so much!!! replaced-url
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219 [01:46:58] <EDM_Phd> hey guys :))) have a great day and please have a look at my friends mixsets and house music productions!!!! THANKYOU so much!!! replaced-url
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223 [01:47:35] <annadane> Unit193, that did it. i didn't know i had to kill the process after getting rid of it
224 [01:47:40] <annadane> thanks
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226 [01:48:00] <Unit193> Sure thing. Spent a bit of time tracking dunst down some other month, so knew right off the top what it was.
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231 [01:49:39] <annadane> for future generations: "how do you replace the i3 notification popup with the xfce one?" "remove dunst, kill the process [dunst being the i3 popup]"
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261 [02:01:38] <mohammad-ghasemi> why for no apparent reason the audio gets muted in debian?
262 [02:03:30] <jmcnaught> mohammad-ghasemi: can you provide more detail?
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264 [02:04:39] <dvs> timidity-daemon
265 [02:04:41] <mohammad-ghasemi> jmcnaught, Maybe it has something to do with switching between the speakers and the the headset. I don't know.
266 [02:04:58] <deadmund> Can someone help me create a debian package for my python3 Tkinter script?
267 [02:05:14] <deadmund> I have most of it done, but I'm getting hung up on debian/control and the version numbers.
268 [02:05:34] <jmcnaught> mohammad-ghasemi: which release of Debian? Are you able to simply unmute after it happens? What gets muted, pulseaudio or the alsa device?
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270 [02:07:27] <mohammad-ghasemi> jmcnaught, debian 9.9 stable release. No I can't unmute.
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272 [02:07:56] <jmcnaught> mohammad-ghasemi: so you have to do what, reboot? What does pavucontrol look like when this happens?
273 [02:08:07] <mohammad-ghasemi> jmcnaught, pulseaudio I think
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275 [02:08:47] <mohammad-ghasemi> jmcnaught, sometimes reboot works, sometimes pluging and unpluging the audio jack.
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277 [02:10:10] <mohammad-ghasemi> jmcnaught, let me restart. I'll be back ;)
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282 [02:12:53] <mohammad-ghasemi> jmcnaught, restarting unmuted the audio
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284 [02:13:40] <mohammad-ghasemi> jmcnaught, but pavucontrol remained the same. I don't know what is the problem. But thank you!
285 [02:15:31] <jmcnaught> mohammad-ghasemi: in pavucontrol the "Output Devices" tab each device has a "Port:" dropdown menu which should show if it is outputting to headphones or line out
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289 [02:17:36] <mohammad-ghasemi> jmcnaught, thank you. I'll check that the next time it happens.
290 [02:17:41] <jmcnaught> mohammad-ghasemi: after sound gets randomly muted you could also look at your user's journal for PA: 'journalctl --user -u pulseaudio.service' (not as root)
291 [02:18:06] <deadmund> Hello. I have a .deb package that I created for a very simple python program I wrote (using tkinter). I am reading here replaced-url
292 [02:18:09] <jmcnaught> the journal disappears after a reboot unless you create a persistent journal
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294 [02:18:48] <jmcnaught> !mentors
295 [02:18:48] <dpkg> hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
296 [02:18:55] <jmcnaught> deadmund: ^
297 [02:19:09] <mohammad-ghasemi> jmcnaught, thank you for the tip
298 [02:19:21] <deadmund> Thanks
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316 [02:37:17] <Kali_Yug1> I googled for the error I have "error 1962: No Operating System found..." when booting debian after finishing the installation. replaced-url
317 [02:39:40] <petn-randall> Kali_Yug1: What is the exact model you have?
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320 [02:41:06] <annadane> do you seriously have to go through the whole "enter the name of the operating system you're installing" thing in virt-manager?
321 [02:41:14] <annadane> why is this not optional...
322 [02:41:31] <petn-randall> Can't you just skip it?
323 [02:41:36] <annadane> nope
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325 [02:41:45] * petn-randall provisions VMs automagically.
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327 [02:42:29] <Kali_Yug1> petn-randall: m91p
328 [02:42:59] <petn-randall> Kali_Yug1: You could try updating the firmware, maybe they fixed it in later releases.
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330 [02:44:08] <acu> !paste
331 [02:44:08] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
332 [02:44:12] <petn-randall> Kali_Yug1: Otherwise the blog post by Matthew Garrett suggest using legacy BIOS boot to circumvent the issue.
333 [02:44:52] <jmcnaught> annadane: I think it can make a small difference to the options that get turned on for that VM, for example so called "hyper v enlightenments" and hypervclock are supposed to be added for windows guests
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338 [02:48:30] <Kali_Yug1> petn-randall: I was thinking would it change something if I change to legacy and reinstall? idk if that would fix it. Or I need to create or put the windows efi file into the efi directory for the uefi to detect its windows.
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340 [02:49:28] <petn-randall> Kali_Yug1: You could check the blog post, and try editing the names around until it works. I guess?
341 [02:53:48] <RoyK> erm - samba fails after upgrading to buster
342 [02:53:49] <Kali_Yug1> I will try installing in legacy mode first I guess. I think I have to make the uefi think it is windows to boot properly. kinda hard, I usually don't like to mess with these things
343 [02:53:53] <RoyK> nothing else has changed
344 [02:54:05] <Kali_Yug1> to many I's
345 [02:54:30] <petn-randall> Kali_Yug1: Well, the blog post says legacy should work, so go with that.
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354 [02:59:08] <uRock> I keep getting "E: The repository 'replaced-url
355 [03:00:37] <dvs> uRock, maybe your mirror doesn't have the Release file?
356 [03:00:43] <dvs> try another mirror?
357 [03:01:15] <petn-randall> uRock: What kind of mirror is that? If it's an official mirror, you might want to change to another one. Otherwise I'd say they didn't update for buster yet.
358 [03:01:28] <jmcnaught> uRock: it's because not all mirrors have the security repo. Change that one line to be deb replaced-url
359 [03:02:04] <dvs> jmcnaught, I don't think that's the security repo
360 [03:02:35] <jmcnaught> buster/updates would be the line for security but it's wrong
361 [03:02:45] <jmcnaught> buster-updates would look like the regular buster line
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363 [03:03:02] <jmcnaught> or if you use deb.debian.org as your mirror you can use that mirror for all three
364 [03:03:11] <dvs> so it should be buster-updates?
365 [03:03:20] <joepublic> updates are updates. example tz-data. security is security. example fix a known security hole. Right?
366 [03:03:20] <uRock> dvs, I used the select best option and that's the one it grabbed
367 [03:03:56] <uRock> petn-randall, that was the third mirror I tried. The first was the default, then the one for US.
368 [03:04:04] <jmcnaught> uRock: it would probably be easier if you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list file on replaced-url
369 [03:04:56] <uRock> jmcnaught, I'll upload it. It's three lines.
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372 [03:06:00] <uRock> replaced-url
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374 [03:06:32] * dvs give jmcnaught a buck
375 [03:06:55] <uRock> jmcnaught, I see what you mean with the security one
376 [03:07:08] <jmcnaught> uRock: the third line should read: "deb replaced-url
377 [03:07:39] <uRock> jmcnaught, I'll hop on that system and give it a try. Thanks!
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380 [03:09:07] <jmcnaught> dvs: for bullseye instead of security being bullseye/updates it will be bullseye-security to be less confusing with bullseye-updates
381 [03:09:27] <dvs> Just to confuse me even more! ;-)
382 [03:10:27] <petn-randall> That's where we get ya! :)
383 [03:10:38] <uRock> That fixed it!
384 [03:10:41] <dvs> Stop making more sense!
385 [03:10:45] <uRock> Thanks again.
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387 [03:11:12] <dvs> np
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393 [03:19:00] <annadane> point releases used to blow my mind
394 [03:19:08] <annadane> "why are there so many packages to update???"
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438 [04:06:59] <silverballz> annadane, sharing is caring
439 [04:07:23] <dvs> s/sharing/swearing/
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442 [04:09:38] <silverballz> stable = stable
443 [04:09:39] <Lady_Aleena> enri, if you want to talk to me about something unrelated to Debian, you can find me in #debian-offtopic. If you still need help with Debian, anyone here can help you out. There is very little that I feel merits private messaging.
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525 [05:24:37] <GumShoe> I'm experimenting with installing buster on a pair of 1tb drives as a raid 1 array. I'm setup into the ssh install. I've detected my disks and would like to wipe all the filesystems from the two drives before I take a crack at partitioning with the expert guided installer. I've dropped down to the 'ash' shell. What partitioning utilities do I have? I don't seem to be finding fdisk or sfdisk nor parted?
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527 [05:26:14] <GumShoe> I'm also reading the "Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide" replaced-url
528 [05:26:16] <dvs> gdisk?
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530 [05:26:47] <GumShoe> not found...
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661 [07:14:40] <Sweedish> Years ago I was subscribed to some debian-related mailing lists. I tried to unsubscribe but I still receive bugs report I know nothing about every weeks. What can be done?
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666 [07:21:03] <awal1> Sweedish, suscribe/unsuscribe here replaced-url
667 [07:21:30] <awal1> i unsubscribed years ago and it worked
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669 [07:22:05] <awal1> just put your e.mail and clic Unsubscribe
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671 [07:24:28] <Sweedish> thanks. trying now
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675 [07:32:23] <enri> Lady_Aleena, i understand :)
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677 [07:33:54] <enri> good morning guys!
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768 [07:56:28] <Sweedish> @awal1 Thanks for your help. It was debian-qa.
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785 [08:06:31] <honigkuchen> python-pip package can neither be uninstalled nor upgraded or whatsoever
786 [08:06:52] <honigkuchen> what makes my whole system not able to install packages
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788 [08:10:06] <ayekat> honigkuchen: why can't it be uninstalled? what's the command you run and what's the error message?
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799 [08:17:51] <honigkuchen> post install script error 1
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801 [08:18:13] <honigkuchen> I want to remove all of python
802 [08:18:15] <ayekat> honigkuchen: is that all?
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804 [08:18:30] <honigkuchen> cannot import name 'maketrans'
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807 [08:18:41] <ayekat> honigkuchen: please paste the full output to some paste service
808 [08:19:32] <honigkuchen> replaced-url
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810 [08:21:40] <ayekat> honigkuchen: what's the command you run there?
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814 [08:21:55] <honigkuchen> apt --fix-broken install
815 [08:22:03] <honigkuchen> or any other apt command
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825 [08:26:34] <alkisg> honigkuchen: what's the output of this? ls -l /usr/lib/python*/*onfig*arser*
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827 [08:28:00] <ozzloy> in octopi's image, i can change a file in the boot partition to configure wifi. how would i do that in raspbian?
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830 [08:29:53] <honigkuchen> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27746 Sep 26 2018 /usr/lib/python2.7/ConfigParser.py
831 [08:29:53] <honigkuchen> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25095 Sep 28 2018 /usr/lib/python2.7/ConfigParser.pyc
832 [08:29:53] <honigkuchen> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 53452 Sep 27 2018 /usr/lib/python3.5/configparser.py
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835 [08:31:16] <alkisg> honigkuchen: and if you run this, does it fail? python -c 'import ConfigParser'
836 [08:32:05] <honigkuchen> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'ConfigParser'
837 [08:32:16] <alkisg> Sounds like your python paths are messed up
838 [08:32:57] <honigkuchen> okay
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843 [08:33:23] <honigkuchen> what can I do
844 [08:33:50] <alkisg> I don't have enough experience on how one can break python paths, so either try to remember what you did to break them, or wait for someone else
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848 [08:35:12] * ayekat wouldn't be surprised if this was related to pip being involved
849 [08:35:36] <ratrace> honigkuchen: if you used pip as root you broke it
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851 [08:36:00] <honigkuchen> yes
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853 [08:36:24] <ratrace> reinstall whole machine; in fact buy a whole new machine and toss this one to garbage, that's how much you mess it up ;)
854 [08:36:28] <honigkuchen> I could compile python and install it
855 [08:36:32] <honigkuchen> and then remove it with apt
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857 [08:36:42] <honigkuchen> okay
858 [08:36:44] <ayekat> apt can't remove what it hasn't installed
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861 [08:37:06] <ratrace> honigkuchen: better use official .deb and reinstall with python but... you broke modules and who knows which ones, you'd have to reinstall all of tehm
862 [08:37:17] <honigkuchen> okay
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864 [08:37:47] <ratrace> maybe grab dpkg --get-selections and force reinstall those, but iam not sure that'd fix everything
865 [08:37:57] <ratrace> s/reinstall with python/reinstall with dpkg/
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869 [08:40:34] <ratrace> honigkuchen: uh didn't you do the same a few months ago in #gentoo? o.O i could swear you did
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873 [08:41:04] <honigkuchen> r u kidding?
874 [08:41:18] <honigkuchen> in gentoo this is not possible
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876 [08:41:36] <honigkuchen> when u use pip in gentoo u are forced to use --user option
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878 [08:41:42] <ratrace> of course it's possible; but i could've been mistaken and confused you with someone else
879 [08:42:02] <honigkuchen> I had similar question in #gentoo
880 [08:42:19] <honigkuchen> but I did not brake my gentoo by python-pip
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885 [08:44:26] <honigkuchen> can debian please just ignore anything about python
886 [08:44:34] <honigkuchen> and just do its pkgs updates?
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888 [08:45:02] <honigkuchen> I could edit the .deb files and just make the post ... skript return a 0
889 [08:45:20] <honigkuchen> I do not need python on that device
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896 [08:49:03] <humpled> something on your system probably does need python
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898 [08:49:52] <ratrace> apt itself doesn't require python i think; so this problem must be specific to a few python packages that are messed up
899 [08:49:54] <ryouma> why would pip allow you to run it as root if it destroys the known universe?
900 [08:50:13] <ryouma> why make the user remember that?
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904 [08:51:38] <ratrace> for the same reason you make the user remember not to rm -rf ...
905 [08:51:52] <ratrace> or dunno.... any command you run as root
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907 [08:52:22] <ratrace> it's not pip's fault; it's a package manager, and like any other package manager if it installs into paths owned by other package managers, especially the main system one, it'll break stuff
908 [08:52:33] <ratrace> so will rm -rf-ing into /usr for fun and profit
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912 [08:53:15] <ratrace> same happens if you run .: make install :. for downloaded tarballs -- should make prevent you from running it as root?
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995 [09:48:31] <colo-work> ,checkbackport msmtp-mta sid jessie
996 [09:48:32] <judd> Backporting package msmtp-mta in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
997 [09:49:13] <colo-work> ,checkbackport msmtp-mta checkbackport --fromrelease sid --torelease jessie
998 [09:49:14] <judd> Backporting package msmtp-mta in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
999 [09:49:32] <colo-work> hmm, am I doing something wrong here?
1000 [09:49:40] <colo-work> ,checkbackport msmtp-mta checkbackport --torelease jessie
1001 [09:49:42] <judd> Backporting package msmtp-mta in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
1002 [09:49:44] <colo-work> ah lol
1003 [09:49:47] <colo-work> ,checkbackport msmtp-mta --torelease jessie
1004 [09:49:48] <judd> Backporting package msmtp-mta in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 12).
1005 [09:50:17] <colo-work> being awake supposedly helps doing proper copypasta'ing
1006 [09:50:40] * Haohmaru pushes colo-work into the pool of coffee
1007 [09:50:47] * colo-work drowns
1008 [09:51:18] <Haohmaru> don't forget to soak too
1009 [09:51:26] <Haohmaru> for maximum powah
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1048 [10:20:21] <newb> hi i am not able to perform updates
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1050 [10:20:38] <newb> i am on debian stable
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1053 [10:21:42] <diogenes_> newb, thanks for letting us know.
1054 [10:22:00] <at0m> newb: what issues do you get? how do you update?
1055 [10:22:08] <newb> i get this error -
1056 [10:22:14] <at0m> where what
1057 [10:22:18] <newb> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1058 [10:22:19] <newb> ed to fetch replaced-url
1059 [10:22:19] <newb> n.org/debian/pool/main/libl/liblivemedia/liblivemedia64_2018.11.26-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1060 [10:22:20] <newb> s12_3.0.0-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1061 [10:22:20] <newb> Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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1063 [10:22:28] <at0m> !paste
1064 [10:22:28] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1067 [10:23:55] <at0m> newb: run an "apt update", then "apt upgrade" again
1068 [10:24:04] <alkisg> !paste
1069 [10:24:05] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1071 [10:25:38] <newb> ok
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1074 [10:27:37] <at0m> ,v libvlc
1075 [10:27:38] <judd> No package named 'libvlc' was found in amd64.
1076 [10:27:41] <at0m> ,v libvlc5
1077 [10:27:42] <judd> Package: libvlc5 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.0.6-0+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.0.7-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.0.7-0+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.7-1; bullseye: 3.0.7.1-2; sid: 3.0.7.1-2; stretch-multimedia: 1:3.0.7-dmo1+deb9u1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:3.0.7.1-dmo3; buster-multimedia: 1:3.0.7.1-dmo3+deb10u1; sid-multimedia:
1078 [10:27:43] <judd> 1:3.0.7.1-dmo4
1079 [10:28:39] <at0m> newb: reason update fails, is that you're trying to download 3.0.6-1, while "buster: 3.0.7-1" ^
1080 [10:28:47] <at0m> s/update/upgrade
1081 [10:29:08] <at0m> apt update will sync your local cache with the repo
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1095 [10:41:37] <EmleyMoor> Investigating an issue with autofs on one of my systems right now... Why would it be unreliable on just one, though?
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1103 [10:49:16] <daifuco> hello, is anyone running steam on buster? It wont connect to the network, it seems a kernel related problem.
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1107 [10:50:46] <ratrace> daifuco: yes, running here perfectly fine
1108 [10:51:36] <daifuco> oh thanks it is to isolate the issue
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1112 [10:53:06] <ratrace> ?
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1115 [10:56:21] <EoflaOEViceCity> daifuco: Can you access another site like Google? If you can, then it might be steam.
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1117 [10:58:49] <newb> seems to be working now,
1118 [10:58:57] <newb> thanks for the help!
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1136 [11:12:58] <StucKman> I know this is not a debian specific question, but given a dorman ext4 fs, why would statfs() and tune2fs report different ammount of total blocks? in my case, 113357950 vs 115198464, which ammounts to more than 7GiB of difference
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1144 [11:15:21] <jelly> StucKman, reserved blocks? (5% for root (uid 0) by default)
1145 [11:16:42] <StucKman> nope, tune2fs reports Reserved block count: 5759923, which would make user available blocks down to 110M not 113M
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1151 [11:19:34] <jelly> StucKman, a mere 3M difference sounds like a rounding or unit error
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1154 [11:20:22] <jelly> StucKman, pastebin the output of "df -k" and "dumpe2fs -h /dev/your/fs/is/on|grep -iE '^(|Reserved |^Free )block'"
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1156 [11:20:44] <colo-work> ,checkbackport msmtp-mta --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie
1157 [11:20:45] <judd> Backporting package msmtp-mta in stretch→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 10).
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1162 [11:25:20] <jelly> colo-work, there's 10.2.5~bpo8+1 in jessie-backports (repo archived)
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1164 [11:26:19] <colo-work> thanks for letting me know :) still evaluating my options.
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1182 [11:37:04] <xk> can somebody pls help me, I'm desperate.
1183 [11:37:28] <diogenes_> xk, ask
1184 [11:37:33] <ayekat> nobody can help you if you don't describe your problem
1185 [11:37:35] <xk> buster's network is really slow to me only I think.
1186 [11:37:54] <EmleyMoor> xk: Describe the problem as fully as you can
1187 [11:37:59] <diogenes_> xk, not to you it was to me too until i changed the defaule dns.
1188 [11:38:18] <xk> diogenes_, default dns?
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1191 [11:38:33] <diogenes_> xk, exactly, the dns provided by your ISP.
1192 [11:38:37] <Mathisen> ..... ignore that dns he uses can be totaly diffrent then yours
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1195 [11:39:45] <xk> well, I've tried that, not too much changed. sometimes the speedtest return to normal, I mean full speed after some changes, then after a while, less than an hour, it dropped back to slow, I mean the speedtest.
1196 [11:39:58] <Antoine> petn-randall: Ok thanks, I removed those directories :)
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1198 [11:40:23] <xk> changes I made include disabling ipv6, changing dns, disabling networkmanager. etc.
1199 [11:40:50] <ayekat> "disabling networkmanager"? how do you connect to the internet, then?
1200 [11:40:59] <ayekat> or rather - are you running multiple network management tools at the same time?
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1203 [11:41:16] <Mathisen> xk, where is the most important step, screaming at your ISP :) have you tested with diffrent dist ? or live enviroment and got better result ?
1204 [11:41:16] <xk> ayekat, what? by editing the interfaces file of course.
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1206 [11:41:49] <ayekat> xk: the interfaces file is used by ifupdown, which is an entirely different tool - so why is NetworkManager involved?
1207 [11:42:08] <Haohmaru> a few days ago we lost hours because someone misspelled "adress" in there
1208 [11:42:24] <xk> Mathisen, one example is when I use stretch, downloading kali iso can reach full speed, while in buster, it only reaches 1/3 of full speed, can't go any higher than that.
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1216 [11:43:40] <xk> ayekat, because I have to try as many possible ways as I could.
1217 [11:43:42] <StucKman> jelly: my fault, I meant G
1218 [11:43:43] <Mathisen> and it used same mirror for the download.. and still just downloading 1 file is not really saying 100% something is broken
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1221 [11:44:57] <xk> and the speedtest.net result, it appears to be random, sometimes it shows full speed, most of the time it shows 1/10 of full speed. and the torrent download speed is really slow right now. man I'm telling ya sth definitely is wrong with buster's network.
1222 [11:45:11] <StucKman> jelly: replaced-url
1223 [11:45:23] <xk> while under stretch, it always shows me full speed.
1224 [11:46:23] <ratrace> xk: are you in europe?
1225 [11:46:41] <xk> ratrace, noOOO...
1226 [11:46:45] <ratrace> xk: where then?
1227 [11:46:50] <colo-work> xk, these "tests" are meaningless for your last network hop. get iperf3 set up on two nodes in your LAN, and use that to establish the performance (really: throughput) baseline
1228 [11:47:01] <xk> ratrace, well, notorious china.p.r then.
1229 [11:47:24] <ratrace> xk: cd /tmp ; wget replaced-url
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1233 [11:48:44] <xk> ratrace, ha, it says "read error(connection reset by peers) in headers, pls retry again".
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1235 [11:49:10] <ratrace> xk: replaced-url
1236 [11:50:18] <xk> ratrace, it's as slow as it can get.
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1238 [11:50:21] <xk> too slow.
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1240 [11:50:31] <xk> less than 100kB/s.
1241 [11:50:37] <ratrace> xk: blame your ISP
1242 [11:50:48] <xk> ratrace, you really think so?
1243 [11:51:03] <ratrace> yes
1244 [11:51:12] <xk> I suspected this, but it seems the least possible.
1245 [11:51:40] <ayekat> xk: do you have any other device in your network? try copying files between those two machines to see where the bottleneck is
1246 [11:51:40] <ratrace> there's nothing wrong with networking in buster ; and quite the contrary, bad ISPs are most likely the cause of such problems
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1248 [11:51:50] <xk> well, sometimes the least possible is the only possible it seems.
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1250 [11:52:19] <ayekat> if you get acceptable speeds between those to, but shitty speeds to the outside, your ISP (or at least your router) is to blame
1251 [11:52:35] <StucKman> I have another question: I just bought a mini computer with 4 eths that I plan to convert into a router. I connect one other computer to one of its eth ports with a normal patch cable and I don't see any link. my memory (not a very goo one) tells me that eth port, specially in notebooks like in this case, are good about negotiating speed and direct vs cross link, but it doesn't seem to do anything. I tried reading ethtool's man,
1252 [11:52:35] <StucKman> but I still wonder if there is something else I should do in either end to make them see the link
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1254 [11:52:52] <xk> ayekat, I'll try to transfer some files between my pc and phone later, hopefully it will reveal some result.
1255 [11:52:58] <StucKman> xk: you mentioned torrents, are you uploading too much and saturating uplink??
1256 [11:53:11] <xk> ayekat, I agree.
1257 [11:53:14] <Antoine> Hello, while upgrading to Buster, I noticed a line that says something like: locale: Can't initialize LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory". Should I worry about that? What does it mean?
1258 [11:53:15] <ayekat> xk: ah well... not sure if the phone is a good test target
1259 [11:53:23] <ayekat> xk: but worth a try nevertheless
1260 [11:53:26] <xk> StucKman, noooo...
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1262 [11:53:37] <xk> ayekat, lol
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1264 [11:54:05] <Antoine> LC_ALL and LANGUAGE aren't set when I type `locale`, the rest is set to "fr_FR.UTF-8"
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1267 [11:55:02] <xk> thank you guys. I'll hate my notorious ISP from now on.
1268 [11:56:50] <ratrace> Antoine: dpkg-reconfigure locales and choose all the locales you'll be using; set default
1269 [11:57:27] <StucKman> xk: have you done these tests with torents off?
1270 [11:57:56] <xk> StucKman, what test?
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1272 [11:58:02] <StucKman> xk: your speed tests
1273 [11:58:28] * ratrace puts $5 on "No"
1274 [11:59:17] <xk> StucKman, with or without torrents on really didn't make big a difference as in stretch the results are always similar.
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1277 [11:59:43] <StucKman> xk: when doing net speed tests, make sure all other network traffic is off
1278 [12:00:15] <StucKman> torrents, downloads, irc, mail, webmail, youtube, spotify, *everything*
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1280 [12:00:24] <xk> StucKman, IKR, but I think I've got the answer to this odd problem.
1281 [12:00:34] * ratrace wins
1282 [12:00:39] * StucKman goes to the decoder ring
1283 [12:00:40] * kirk781 cries because torrents are blocked at his place
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1285 [12:00:55] <StucKman> kirk781: rent a seed box?
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1288 [12:01:13] <xk> even when the speedtest in stretch is normal, torrents speed drops down to 0 often, while now in buster, it's slow but stable.
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1290 [12:01:25] <StucKman> (I know, it costs money, I don't have one because of that)
1291 [12:01:48] <ratrace> xk: which network card do you have? lspci -k will tell you, and the kernel module in use
1292 [12:02:01] <kirk781> I currently use SeedR. It offers five gigs free space. Works for non movie files pretty well
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1294 [12:02:54] <jelly> StucKman, yeah, there's a difference between df -k total size (statfs()) and dumpe2fs block count of about 1840514 (4KiB) blocks or 7.02GiB
1295 [12:03:24] <Antoine> ratrace: I just did but `locale` still displays the same thing
1296 [12:03:35] <StucKman> jelly: for the moment I choose to believe statfs(), but WTF
1297 [12:03:47] <xk> ratrace, should I paste it here?
1298 [12:03:53] <ratrace> Antoine: are you doing this over ssh?
1299 [12:03:57] <EmleyMoor> !paste
1300 [12:03:57] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1301 [12:03:57] <ratrace> !tell xk about paste
1302 [12:04:20] <Antoine> ratrace: Yes, I am over ssh
1303 [12:04:46] <ratrace> Antoine: then you did not select the locale on the server, that your ssh client is initializing
1304 [12:04:47] <StucKman> Antoine: your local locale is messing with the remote locale
1305 [12:04:48] <xk> ratrace, Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15).
1306 [12:05:21] <ratrace> xk: did you install firmware-realtek from non-free? some of those chips need firmware
1307 [12:05:23] <xk> ratrace, Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
1308 [12:05:56] <Antoine> ratrace: StucKman: How can I edit the remote locale then?
1309 [12:06:03] <xk> ratrace, it's installed. I pasted the second because I think that's the kernel module?
1310 [12:06:41] <ratrace> xk: lspci would've said something like "Kernel driver in use: r8169" :: is that in your case?
1311 [12:06:46] <xk> oh sorry, grep didn't show kernel module.
1312 [12:06:53] <ratrace> Antoine: with dpkg-reconfigure locales :: you enable them and set default
1313 [12:07:22] <xk> ratrace, it's r8169
1314 [12:07:27] <Antoine> But I just did that :s
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1316 [12:08:02] <ratrace> Antoine: in addition, you can configure sshd_config to not take in cliet's locale hints, just remove LANG and LC* hints from AcceptEnv
1317 [12:08:12] <ratrace> s/cliet's/client's/
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1320 [12:08:54] <Antoine> Oh yep ok, thanks for the hint :)
1321 [12:09:32] <ratrace> Antoine: but ideally you configure the locales for the same one you use on the client side :: i'd assume you'd have to login again or something
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1325 [12:10:42] <Antoine> ratrace: Both my remote Debian server and my Xubuntu laptop are on the same locale
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1328 [12:13:40] <Antoine> So I'm not sure what to do now since `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales` didn't seem to change the values displayed by `locale`. I don't know how to check if I still get "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory"
1329 [12:13:43] <ratrace> Antoine: you can also force it by exporting the LANG env in your shell rc. eg. export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
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1334 [12:14:51] <ratrace> Antoine: running just "locale" would complain like that i think, if it was configured badly
1335 [12:15:53] <Antoine> ratrace: Ok, it doesn't complain then :). It actually only complained during the upgrade to Buster. I can't remember exactly when though
1336 [12:16:11] <Antoine> I'll just wait and see if I get this message again
1337 [12:16:56] <Antoine> Other question, is it advised to move from iptables legacy to nftables?
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1342 [12:19:03] <ratrace> Antoine: by the way, iam not very knowledgeable about locales, but from what i remember you shouldn't be setting LC_ALL anyway, but LANG, or individual LC_* values
1343 [12:19:41] <Antoine> ratrace: I read that too. Maybe that's why dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't set it
1344 [12:19:44] <ratrace> Antoine: iptables are not "legacy", and i personally wouldn't move to nftables, i see no need to and there's talk of deprecating even nftables in favor of ebpf
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1346 [12:20:50] <ratrace> so until the kernel devs give us a definitive, stable killer for iptables with features worth switching over, or literally they drop iptables form the src, i wouldn't switch, meself
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1349 [12:22:45] <bouzu_> Antoine, i suppose those where just warnings about unlocalized update scripts. i think to remember to get those too on a regular basis on a system with german locale. dont think it's a problem
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1352 [12:24:06] <Antoine> bouzu_: Ok, thanks for the info :)
1353 [12:24:27] <galegosimpatico> Don't want to push, but when's going to be an official AWS AMI of Buster?
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1355 [12:25:15] <Antoine> ratrace: So can I keep using iptables like I did before? sudo iptables -A blablabla? sudo iptables-save and all that?
1356 [12:25:20] <ratrace> Antoine: well, you're being a bit contradicting there... was this one time instance, or, as you said: "11:03 < Antoine> ratrace: I just did but `locale` still displays the same thing"
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1358 [12:26:11] <ratrace> "the same thing" implying "No such file or directory" for LC_ALL
1359 [12:27:30] <Antoine> ratrace: Oh sorry, by "the same thing", I meant this stuff "[...] LC_MEASUREMENT="fr_FR.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="fr_FR.UTF-8" LC_ALL=" as I thought running `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales` would set LC_ALL.
1360 [12:27:39] <Antoine> The warning was a one time thing
1361 [12:27:54] <EmleyMoor> I don't like duplicating myself on the two IRC networkn but I'm not getting any response at all on OFTC...
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1363 [12:28:16] <asgardian> hello
1364 [12:28:26] <EmleyMoor> I've just installed biboumi, completed a config based on the example, but it fails to start. systemctl status biboumi gives this: replaced-url
1365 [12:28:27] <asgardian> anyone using debian sid?
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1367 [12:29:12] <BCMM> asgardian: i am (but there's another channel for that)
1368 [12:29:31] <ratrace> Antoine: ah no, no. then it seems you've got it all sorted out as it should be :)
1369 [12:30:01] <asgardian> BCMM, I'm just curious if you had any issues/problems using sid
1370 [12:30:06] <Antoine> ratrace: Ok, nice :)
1371 [12:30:12] <Antoine> Thanks for your help!
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1373 [12:30:38] <BCMM> asgardian: i uninstalled a whole lotta stuff by accident before i started carefully reading the output of dist-upgrade before pressing y
1374 [12:30:46] <BCMM> ^twice
1375 [12:31:07] <BCMM> but really that's about it
1376 [12:31:22] <bouzu_> EmleyMoor, you can check `journalctl -u biboumi` for hints. but thats just systemd advice. no idea about this software
1377 [12:31:47] <BCMM> asgardian: basically just follow this, and it works fine replaced-url
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1379 [12:32:04] <asgardian> BCMM, and regarding security updates? I know that the security updates are pushed with delay in sid
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1381 [12:32:17] <EmleyMoor> I see this... biboumi.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
1382 [12:32:19] <BCMM> asgardian: no, that's testing. sid gets them pretty quickly
1383 [12:32:31] <asgardian> oh great
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1385 [12:33:18] <BCMM> asgardian: see replaced-url
1386 [12:33:41] <BCMM> i should have said "usually" gets them pretty quickly
1387 [12:33:57] <asgardian> :))
1388 [12:34:05] <BCMM> not on a gauranteed delay like testing, but not prioritised like stable
1389 [12:34:11] <ville> howdy. anyone here happens to have installed replaced-url
1390 [12:34:13] <asgardian> I will take a look
1391 [12:35:15] <bouzu_> EmleyMoor, as a last resort when systemd just doesnt want to tell me waths wrong i try to start the process manually. you can try to run `/usr/bin/biboumi /etc/biboumi/biboumi.cfg` (taken from ExecStart) in a plain console and check output
1392 [12:36:10] <EmleyMoor> bouzu_: Tried. Just plain closes, no output other than confirming its config file
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1396 [12:37:54] <bouzu_> EmleyMoor, than the app is to blame here. it possibly has its logs in /var/logs/biboumi or something similar. suggest looking there
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1398 [12:38:28] <EmleyMoor> No logs. Can't get on its support MUC either
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1401 [12:39:23] <asgardian> BCMM, have you used snapshots on your system?
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1403 [12:39:32] <bouzu_> EmleyMoor, well ok. then im out of general advise.
1404 [12:39:37] <BCMM> asgardian: no, i just keep backups of my actual data
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1406 [12:40:05] <BCMM> if debian itself goes wrong, i can just reinstall it
1407 [12:40:45] <asgardian> oh, ok :)
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1409 [12:43:23] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I installed the nvidia drivers. I need to know where to save the X configuration file to make the ForceFullComposition Pipeline setting permanent is it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? don't want to mess anything up now
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1416 [12:50:31] <ratrace> Kali_Yuga: that or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for various snippets
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1421 [12:54:07] <BCMM> ratrace: that user disconnected already
1422 [12:54:39] <ratrace> didn't by the time i autocompleted the nick :)
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1427 [12:58:25] <Kali_Yuga> yes it was
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1429 [13:00:07] <humpled> kali yuga: the age of crappy internet
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1448 [13:17:06] <Haohmaru> you mean crapternet
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1477 [13:30:39] <Piraty> in a debootstraped i386 chroot, `apt install libart` fails, despite replaced-url
1478 [13:31:06] <Piraty> can anyone help me out with this?
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1484 [13:33:35] <ratrace> Piraty: fails how
1485 [13:33:55] <Piraty> E: Unable to locate package libart
1486 [13:34:09] <humpled> looks like you need its full name
1487 [13:34:24] <Piraty> cat /etc/apt/sources.list ... deb replaced-url
1488 [13:34:45] <ratrace> yeah, libart-2.0-2 is the actual package name
1489 [13:35:05] <Piraty> oO who does stuff like that
1490 [13:35:48] <Piraty> that does it. thanks
1491 [13:36:10] <ratrace> Piraty: apt can tab autocomplete y'kno
1492 [13:36:29] <Piraty> ratrace: that wouldn't be apt but the shell
1493 [13:38:17] <ratrace> bash-completion has tab completion things for apt ... better?
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1495 [13:38:42] <Piraty> yeah, thank you ;)
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1501 [13:40:03] <ratrace> Piraty: is it though.... I don't see rules for apt, only apt-get
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1504 [13:41:09] <Piraty> ratrace: vim /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt
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1506 [13:41:24] <ratrace> Piraty: I don't have that and apt autocompletes for me
1507 [13:41:42] <Piraty> idk
1508 [13:41:45] <ratrace> /usr/bin/apt is what i mean
1509 [13:42:36] <ratrace> oh wait, my bad, i do have it, grep fail
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1512 [13:44:34] <Piraty> another question: a third-party software i'm trying to make work requires replaced-url
1513 [13:45:14] <EmleyMoor> Piraty: Do you know the exact file the third-party software needs?
1514 [13:45:19] <Piraty> does this require me to re-setup a stretch installation or can i use backports (or even build from source with apt's help)?
1515 [13:45:45] <Piraty> EmleyMoor: hmm not yet, it's a pre-dependency in the 3rd-party's deb package
1516 [13:45:56] <Piraty> possible the .so?
1517 [13:47:03] <EmleyMoor> If it's for compile time, you'll need the headers. It's often best to just try (often you get told what's missing at the configure stage) then see if a Debian package exists that will resolve it
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1519 [13:47:39] <Piraty> EmleyMoor: the application i try to make work is precompiled and comes packaged as a .deb
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1522 [13:47:55] <EmleyMoor> Though I see it's actually missing from buster...
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1524 [13:48:05] <Piraty> i cannot build from source, it's not oss
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1526 [13:48:29] <Fox> libbonobo will never be in buster as far as I can see
1527 [13:48:32] <EmleyMoor> libbonobo2 is in sid, but not buster or bullseye...
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1529 [13:48:42] <Fox> replaced-url
1530 [13:48:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1533 [13:50:15] <EmleyMoor> Ah, deprecation... well, the developers need to do something about it. In the meantime you may be able to install the stretch version, but don't quote me on that, or try backporting sid's version
1534 [13:50:18] <EmleyMoor> !ssb
1535 [13:50:18] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1541 [13:57:37] <Fox> Piraty: you could backport libbonobo2-0 to Buster but you'll first need to backport liborbit2-dev
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1554 [14:06:45] <Piraty> ok i just debootstrapped stretch and try again. thanks so far
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1556 [14:08:36] <Piraty> one last thing: can i make apt install that deb and resolve+install all of the pre-dependencies (listed in the control) for me instead of manualy iterating over everything it didn't find pre-installed?
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1584 [14:31:15] <mrig> Hello
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1587 [14:32:57] <mrig> Seem to be having a few issues since switching to buster from stretch, all mouse related; Trying to run gpick but the program is not able to sample colours from the mouse anymore.
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1589 [14:33:17] <Haohmaru> gnome?
1590 [14:33:24] <mrig> Yes gnome.
1591 [14:33:26] <ville> howdy. anyone here happens to have installed replaced-url
1592 [14:33:39] <Haohmaru> might have something to do with wayland (just guessing)
1593 [14:34:24] <mrig> I dont have wayland that I am aware off, is that a part of the standard gnome install from the DVD?
1594 [14:35:17] <mrig> The mouse when using a wacom tablet is behaving strangely too.
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1598 [14:37:13] <mrig> Wondering if to would be best to go back to stretch for a while.
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1603 [14:40:39] <BCMM> mrig: yes, wayland is used by default on gnome, in some configurations
1604 [14:41:13] <crimson_king> mrig, most color pickers will fail to work on Wayland
1605 [14:41:35] <crimson_king> mrig, I know that Gedit's color picker works on Wayland.
1606 [14:41:47] <crimson_king> It's a Gedit plugin
1607 [14:42:38] <Haohmaru> mrig didn't you read the "what's new in debian 10" thing?
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1609 [14:42:44] <kreyren> any info on bullseye? it seems to still have buster repositories
1610 [14:42:53] <Haohmaru> it says stuff about gnome and wayland
1611 [14:44:31] <mrig> Haohmaru no I haven't read that, thanks for the pointer I will take a look.
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1613 [14:45:22] <mrig> crimson_king BCMM right thanks, this must be the cause, will look at installing with xserver.
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1615 [14:45:59] <mrig> oh will take a look at the gedit plugin, that will do for the time being.
1616 [14:46:01] <BCMM> kreyren: what do you mean by "have buster repositories"? bullseye repos exist separately, but do you mean they seem to have the same contents as buster at the moment?
1617 [14:46:02] <crimson_king> mrig, it will take a while before we start seeing color pickers for wayland, because it depends on the compositors implementing it.
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1619 [14:46:33] <mrig> Do you think that the wacom pointer will be buggy for a while too?
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1621 [14:46:37] <kreyren> BCMM, yep they seems to have the same content as buster since it still outputs testing/buster replaced-url
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1623 [14:46:48] <crimson_king> mrig, or you can take a screenshot and pick the color from it in GIMP
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1625 [14:47:13] <kreyren> BCMM, ah wait those are just wine repositories.. my bad
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1628 [14:47:20] <BCMM> mrig: one of wayland's principles is to protect clients from one another. in x11, applications have basically total access to each other's windows, which is kind of a massive loophole in sandboxing or containerisation for GUI applications.
1629 [14:47:40] <mrig> right I see, so gpick would require and extensive rewrite to work with weyland then I imagine.
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1631 [14:48:14] <BCMM> mrig: yeah. making screenshots, or anything else that involves spying on another application's output, got more complicated in wayland
1632 [14:48:15] <mrig> BCMM right to far better for application security then?
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1635 [14:48:44] <BCMM> mrig: that's the idea. a normal application can't just record what you're seeing any more
1636 [14:48:44] <mrig> oh yes I see, that makes sense now.
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1639 [14:49:42] <BCMM> but it does mean that desktop environments have to invent some sort of special status for their own colour-picking, screenshotting and remote desktop stuff
1640 [14:49:50] <anaemic> phew this debian install has been almost as fun as setting up arch :D
1641 [14:51:59] <mrig> BCMM sounds like it is worth it if the trade is for security.
1642 [14:52:15] <crimson_king> mrig, another example is Night Light. GNOME had to come up with its own mechanism for that. Redshift won't work in Wayland, although I think there is a patched version for Archlinux in the AUR that works.
1643 [14:52:19] <anaemic> last night i went through three different internet sources trying to manually setup ifup for internet and failed, and today i reinstall with kde for better network management and its still being a pita, AND for some reason it installed without a proper path setup for /usr/sbin
1644 [14:53:49] <mrig> Thank you for explaining, much easier to get along with the bugs when you understand where they are coming from: I should of course have read the doc, but erm ... I have a backlog.
1645 [14:53:55] <BCMM> mrig: well, maybe... i don't think that most people will actually be sandboxing individual applications any time soon, though, so there are plenty of other ways for applications to interfere with other applications running as the same user
1646 [14:54:12] <dvs> anaemic, /usr/sbin won't be used if you use "su" instead of "su -"
1647 [14:54:22] <greycat> !buster su
1648 [14:54:22] <dpkg> The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See replaced-url
1649 [14:54:27] <BCMM> but it's nice to have the possibility to support android-style isolation, if some operating systems want to do that
1650 [14:54:50] <anaemic> ahha
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1663 [15:07:08] <dtcrshr> hello everyone. I have a simple script that changes the hostname and /hosts file. running it manually works fine.
1664 [15:07:18] <dtcrshr> I setup this script to run at cron @reboot, but is not working
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1666 [15:07:37] <dtcrshr> I turned cron logs, it invokes the script on the (Running @reboot jobs)
1667 [15:07:56] <greycat> You configure the hostname by editing the /etc/hostname file, not by writing a script and scheduling it in cron.
1668 [15:08:05] <dtcrshr> but the results arent the same as running the script manually. Its on root/ folder, and on root crontab
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1670 [15:08:41] <dtcrshr> I have 20 netbooks, that eventually I clone the image over then, but the image is with a bogus hostname, so when they are deployd the hostname gets the serial number of the machine
1671 [15:08:48] <SpeedyG> hm, guess this is more of a generic bash question than a debian specific question... but anyone know how to put 'remaining' variables through to the script... so ./ipscript <ipaddr> <action> <anything> <else> <really> where $1 and $2 would be specific variables, and $3 and further are simply passed along as one?
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1673 [15:09:38] <dtcrshr> greycat, I know. but for my environment thats what I need. A fresh restored imagem being able to get its own hostname via dmidecode infos
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1675 [15:10:12] <dtcrshr> I could simple run the script manually, but since the serial wont change, the interns could restore the images and it will at first reboot get its proper hostname
1676 [15:11:41] <griffrawk> So does it change anything in /etc/host name after reboot?
1677 [15:11:42] <greycat> So yeah, there's this new plague going around and it seems to involve people who are utterly batshit paranoid, like literally tinfoil-hat-wearing types, about their hostnames. My new policy is to /ignore all such people.
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1682 [15:14:48] <dtcrshr> #!/bin/bash
1683 [15:14:48] <dtcrshr> declare HNAME="$(dmidecode -s system-serial-number)"
1684 [15:14:48] <dtcrshr> hostnamectl set-hostname ${HNAME} && sed -i "s/127.0.1.1.*/127.0.1.1 ${HNAME}.domain.com ${HNAME}/g" /etc/hosts
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1687 [15:14:55] <dtcrshr> thats the script.
1688 [15:15:07] <dtcrshr> it changes the /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
1689 [15:15:27] <dtcrshr> the problem is: running the script manually works fine, it sets the right hostname I wish that is the serial number
1690 [15:15:42] <dtcrshr> but on @reboot crontab it wont, its executable, on root crontab
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1692 [15:17:01] <dtcrshr> I just want to set it as automatically as possible so the interns can simply restore the image to other netbooks, and after the first reboot the hostname will be set, different from the original image
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1699 [15:20:00] <griffrawk> It’s been a while but IIRC cron has a bit of a restricted environment, maybe that’s affecting it. Maybe try getting cron to execute a login shell that executes your script? If all else fails just build an instruction into your provisioning procedure to set it manually. After all you have bodies to do the job, and it’s a useful QA check.
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1702 [15:20:34] <greycat> The word "provisioning" is also on my /ignore list. Not you, griffrawk.
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1704 [15:21:09] <zodd_> implement it as a systemd task?
1705 [15:21:09] <greycat> Docker plague has been infecting IRC even longer than hostname-paranoia plague.
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1707 [15:21:37] <Haohmaru> hostname paranoia?
1708 [15:21:43] <Haohmaru> provisioning?
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1710 [15:22:02] <Haohmaru> i think i need an update
1711 [15:22:39] <griffrawk> Eeh! Here 5 mins and already warned! I don’t mean provisioning using one of those new fangled tools. Manual builds always best. Done hundreds myself.
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1713 [15:23:08] <greycat> "Privisioning" means "I don't have a real computer. I have a thing that generates images of virtual computers on the fly, because I need to destroy and recreate my virtual computers 200 times a minute, so instead of just configuring a machine, I need to make a machine that configures a newly born virtual machine. Also I don't know ANYTHING, so you need to spoon feed it to me."
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1715 [15:23:27] <greycat> Damn it, typos.
1716 [15:23:36] <Haohmaru> oh
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1718 [15:24:08] <griffrawk> Yep been there. Hundreds of physicals and VMs.
1719 [15:24:16] <greycat> I'm so sorry to hear that.
1720 [15:24:23] <Haohmaru> okay, not sure why you'd wanna do that, but i do strongly dislike people who reinstall their OS every week coz it got filthy broken again
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1722 [15:24:59] <griffrawk> Useful in environment where people purposefully break em. Eg schools
1723 [15:25:00] <Haohmaru> (usually crapdows with crackwarez)
1724 [15:25:08] <greycat> I have no idea why these people do it either. Around the time that it's revealed that's what they're doing, I've already /ignored them because they are writring some godawful bash code from hell with 16 layers of nested quotes.
1725 [15:26:05] <Haohmaru> then they shouldn't be allowed to compute in schools
1726 [15:26:08] <Haohmaru> that'll teach em
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1728 [15:26:35] <griffrawk> BOFH in the making....
1729 [15:27:00] <Haohmaru> que?
1730 [15:27:30] <griffrawk> replaced-url
1731 [15:28:07] <nkuttler> i just had some yoghurt. it was delicious
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1733 [15:29:21] <enri> ola amigos!
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1735 [15:29:38] <nkuttler> don't forget the amigas
1736 [15:29:49] <Haohmaru> and the smol amigis
1737 [15:30:08] <fkg> i ate an amiga
1738 [15:30:13] <fkg> amiga 4
1739 [15:30:17] <fkg> wait 3
1740 [15:30:32] <fkg> nevermind (chuckles to self)
1741 [15:30:34] <Haohmaru> your dietologist would not be happy about that
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1765 [15:43:25] <dtcrshr> gee, I just wanna help the students, sorry
1766 [15:43:42] <dtcrshr> and english is not my main language, sorry if I choose words that bothers you
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1769 [15:44:43] <nkuttler> dtcrshr: just ignore the grumpy people. and use a pastebin for code, see /topic
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1772 [15:45:03] <EmleyMoor> No thanks, I'm a Remainer <g>
1773 [15:45:08] <dtcrshr> ok
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1781 [15:49:14] <Ede|Popede> btw, the pastebin.com factoid doesn't even mention "You cannot disable cookies on resources served through Cloudflare." (replaced-url
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1801 [15:58:51] <uRock> Does the debian 9 virtualbox installer work for Buster? Just checking before I bork anything by trying
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1804 [16:01:41] <berndj> oh man, i wonder how much stuff i broke a day or two ago when i did "ar xv something.deb" in /tmp (it changed permissions of /tmp to drwsr-xr-x because './' is in the archive)
1805 [16:02:16] <berndj> (actually the tar -xf following the ar xv is what did the damage)
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1811 [16:08:05] <Ede|Popede> berndj: sounds like a case for `--one-top-level` (i prefer subdirs for .deb contents anyway)
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1819 [16:13:32] <griffrawk> Any luck with that cron dtcrshr ?
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1828 [16:17:05] <dtcrshr> yes, I managed to get it working. on @reboot there is no PATH loaded yet, so I tryed setting the export to the actual path on the script
1829 [16:17:19] <dtcrshr> it didnt worked on cron, besides working on the loaded system
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1831 [16:17:35] <dtcrshr> so I put the complete path of all binaries (dmidecode, sed, hostnamectl) and it worked
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1834 [16:18:52] <dtcrshr> the final working script is as follows - replaced-url
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1838 [16:20:40] <ziGuy> Hi guys,Last night i tried to connect a second monitor with a DVI connector.The computer freezed and when i rebooted it, it stuck after grub tried to start the system, I now started it via a debian i've got on Disk On KeyAny ideas? please
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1840 [16:21:35] <griffrawk> dtcrshr: There you go! Incomplete environment. If you use something like /bin/bash —login /path/your script.sh as the cron command, that should also do it.
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1842 [16:21:46] <ziGuy> I also tried with and without the Xorg.conf but none helped
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1844 [16:22:23] <ziGuy> I didn't change any settings, just connected another monitor
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1847 [16:23:28] <dtcrshr> you mean on the cron entry griffrawk ?
1848 [16:23:34] <griffrawk> Yep
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1850 [16:23:51] <dtcrshr> like @reboot /bin/bash --login /root/script.sh ?
1851 [16:24:31] <greycat> I should be either terrified or extremely disappointed that someone's writing a cron job that relies on a user's dot files to establish an environment, ultimately to ... change a god damned hostname.
1852 [16:25:04] <griffrawk> Think so. Not near a system to confirm atm.
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1857 [16:26:41] <griffrawk> greycat: seeing as its running as root ye have to trust someone’s environment. Feel free to disagree.
1858 [16:27:07] <greycat> I disagree with every single piece of the entire situation.
1859 [16:27:36] <griffrawk> So propose a better solution.
1860 [16:27:47] <greycat> In Debian, one sets the hostname by editing the /etc/hostname file. Once. Then it is left the hell alone.
1861 [16:28:11] <greycat> One does not change the hostname every time one reboots.
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1863 [16:28:42] <dtcrshr> you would understand if you work on a university with 800+ computers
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1865 [16:29:23] <joepublic> giving the computers multiple personalities makes them more manageable, is the idea?
1866 [16:29:43] <Antoine> Hello, I'd like to know if logs are pruned at some time?
1867 [16:29:52] <ziGuy> Guys? even just a direction please, i have no idea what to do
1868 [16:30:13] <Antoine> Or do my computer keeps logs since I first installed debian on it?
1869 [16:30:15] <ziGuy> A reminder: Last night i tried to connect a second monitor with a DVI connector.The computer freezed and when i rebooted it, it stuck after grub tried to start the system, I now started it via a debian i've got on Disk On KeyAny ideas? please
1870 [16:30:17] <Antoine> does*
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1872 [16:30:21] <greycat> If Mr. or Ms. Paranoid Tin Foil Hat (henceforth "Hatty") wants a randomized hostname every reboot, then ... I still strongly disagree, but Hatty can feel free to run pwgen or whatever to get the random hostname, and set that via the hostname(1) command, and modify all the umpteen trillion files that will have to be modified for stuff not to break.
1873 [16:30:26] <greycat> None of that requires a user's dot files.
1874 [16:30:34] <dtcrshr> sorry greycat that you dont have the knowlege or sensibility to understand about hardware deployment, good luck
1875 [16:30:46] <earend1> ziGuy: is it a onboard card?
1876 [16:30:58] <ziGuy> No, ati radeon
1877 [16:31:02] <ziGuy> some old one
1878 [16:31:33] <dtcrshr> thanks griffrawk for the tips, have a nice day y'all
1879 [16:31:34] <joepublic> systemd does a pretty good job changing hostnames. systemctl hostname something or other, I think.
1880 [16:31:41] <xbow> ziGuy: what gfx card you got?
1881 [16:31:44] <greycat> ...
1882 [16:31:49] <griffrawk> dtcrshr: np. Glad to help.
1883 [16:31:53] <greycat> HOW AND WHY WOULD YOU KNOW SUCH A THING
1884 [16:32:07] <earend1> ziGuy: not onboard? because they sometimes have a relevant bios switch ... you couldlook for
1885 [16:32:41] <joepublic> I had a machine named problem once, kept crashing, I changed its hostname to solution - 137 days uptime at the moment.
1886 [16:32:52] <xbow> ehehe joepublic
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1890 [16:34:54] <ziGuy> not onboard, but it's strange i didn't change any setting
1891 [16:34:58] <xbow> ziGuy: just do # xrandr
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1893 [16:35:22] <xbow> ziGuy: with xrandr you should see all screens
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1897 [16:36:09] <ziGuy> root@debDOK:/home/ziguy# xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
1898 [16:36:21] <ziGuy> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 400, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024default connected primary 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm
1899 [16:36:45] <ziGuy> (i disconnected the new monitor and stayed with the old one)
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1904 [16:39:21] <xbow> ziGuy: how is the current monitor connected? hdmi?
1905 [16:40:22] <ziGuy> vga :-|
1906 [16:41:49] <ziGuy> tried with only the secondry monitor via DVI and it doesn't work either
1907 [16:42:35] <ziGuy> again, via my portable OS - no problem. it's driving me crazy as i didn't change nothing in Xorg.conf or something like this
1908 [16:43:18] <ziGuy> btw i've got this msg now (portable os): [ 6.111620] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.[ 6.111682] [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree.
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1910 [16:43:37] <ziGuy> but i think it's not related and it's work anyway
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1914 [16:48:13] <xbow> ziGuy: just to be sure
1915 [16:48:28] <xbow> ziGuy: do apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
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1960 [17:09:54] <RLa> any reason why I get forbidden access on debian wiki?
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1963 [17:10:50] <greycat> There's some kind of firewall that blocks certain people from it, but I've only seen it mentioned sporadically over the years, and nobody seems to know anything about it.
1964 [17:11:17] <RLa> certain people?
1965 [17:11:22] <RLa> you mean ip addresses?
1966 [17:11:30] <greycat> If you can find someone who can answer these questions, excellent.
1967 [17:12:09] <RLa> I guess I will have to use vpn to access it
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1972 [17:14:05] <RLa> nah, I can access cached wiki pages on google
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1981 [17:17:54] <danielh123> Hi, I just installed Debian 10 on a new machine, configured, transferred data. Then I accidentally removed the last LUKS key (there are no keyslots enabled), but the machine is still on. Any pointers on how to recover the master key when dmsetup just won't work?
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1993 [17:26:38] <Antoine> Hello, are logs deleted automatically after some time?
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1996 [17:27:10] <greycat> Depends on which log. They are all special snowflakes.
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2000 [17:30:51] <zodd_> In a bashscript I want to create symlinks in subdir A pointing to files in subdir B. So I *presume* I need absolute paths or what would be the best way as relative paths do not seem to work as they are taken relatively from A and not the location of the executing script?
2001 [17:31:04] <Antoine> Let's say /var/log/syslog then. I see syslog.7.gz, is it a week then?
2002 [17:31:19] <greycat> zodd_: the decision of whether to use absolute or relative links is YOURS to make, and it depends on how the resulting symlink farm is going to be used.
2003 [17:31:23] <zodd_> Antoine, check out your logrotation software (config)
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2007 [17:31:52] <uRock> I was under the impression that they were compressed daily
2008 [17:32:37] <greycat> zodd_: If the farm will be mounted in various places (either NFS/sshfs/SMB/CIFS, or a portable device, or simply being moved in the future), and if the symlinks are INTERNAL (pointing to other things inside the mounted hierarchy), you definitely want RELATIVE symlinks.
2009 [17:32:45] <Antoine> zodd_: Is it handled by logrorate by default in Debian?
2010 [17:33:00] <RLa> conf should be in /etc/logrotate
2011 [17:33:13] <zodd_> greycat, the resulting symlinks will be used in scripts residing in subdir A
2012 [17:33:18] <greycat> Antoine: there isn't a single answer for every log file. Every log file is SPECIAL. Many are handled by logrotate. Many are not.
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2015 [17:33:53] <greycat> zodd_: It doesn't matter who USES them. What matters is what they POINT TO and the SEMANTICS of the OVERARCHING STRUCTURE.
2016 [17:33:54] <Antoine> Ok :)
2017 [17:34:00] <Antoine> But the all rotate, right?
2018 [17:34:05] <greycat> _anb: NO!!!!
2019 [17:34:09] <greycat> Antoine: no!!!!
2020 [17:34:23] <greycat> EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. IS. DIFFERNT>
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2022 [17:34:32] <Antoine> Then I might need to remove those that don't rotate
2023 [17:34:36] <Antoine> at some point
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2028 [17:37:00] <Ede|Popede> you don't have to, there's enough other stuff filling your disk.
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2031 [17:38:55] <Antoine> Ede|Popede: What should I look for when removing stuff? My emails at some point but other than that I'm not sure
2032 [17:39:05] <Antoine> apt autoclean maybe?
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2034 [17:39:18] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
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2037 [17:40:12] <Ede|Popede> Antoine: if you don't want to keep the debs, ok. i only have 15GB on / atm (will change with buster due to mergedusrbin or what they call it) and it's the 2nd release i can't manage to fill it.
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2041 [17:41:25] <Antoine> greycat: Nothing at the moment, just understand if there are things that might fill up my disk that I'm not aware of
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2043 [17:41:56] <greycat> Only if something goes haywire, or if your disk is severely undersized for your purposes.
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2046 [17:42:41] <Antoine> Ok then :), thanks
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2049 [17:43:04] <Antoine> I have 8 gb out of 80 and I installed in 2016 so I'm fine actually haha
2050 [17:43:15] <greycat> The most likely thing for most people would be the gradual accumulation of .deb files in /var/cache/apt/ if you use apt-get rather than apt.
2051 [17:43:21] <Ede|Popede> Antoine: depends on your partitioning. and what you do. media is the thing to look for, but video and audio may go to a data disk anyway, if not even to a media server. and then there are packages like office and java.
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2053 [17:44:16] <Antoine> greycat: What's the difference between apt-get and apt with data flling up storage?
2054 [17:44:26] <greycat> apt-get doesn't remove the .deb files it downloads. apt does.
2055 [17:44:31] <Ede|Popede> and if you really want to *know* it for your actual installation, there are tooles like jdiskreport, i think every DE comes with its own. you just have to decide of you prefer bars or cushion sheets ;)
2056 [17:44:32] <Antoine> Ede|Popede: Ok makes sense :)
2057 [17:44:35] <greycat> (these are defaults, and you can change them)
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2064 [17:45:05] <zleap> hi all
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2066 [17:45:56] <zleap> quick question, on Debian 10 if I apt remove chromium then apt install chromium will this reinstall just the browser and leave settings etc intact, asking as I know apt purge removes everything, I am trying to resolve chromium being very slow
2067 [17:46:20] <greycat> any settings in your $HOME will not be touched, even if you purge the package rather than removing it
2068 [17:46:29] <greycat> and I can't think of any system-wide configuration settings for a web browser
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2070 [17:46:34] <zleap> thanks
2071 [17:47:16] <zleap> ok i will try that, scratch seems very slow and sluggish, posted a message to the debian-users list so if this works, then i may have a solution
2072 [17:47:42] <BCMM> zleap: ~/.config/chromium is what you need to delete if you want to reset your settings
2073 [17:47:55] <zleap> ok
2074 [17:48:02] <zleap> i have done the reset to defaults thing
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2076 [17:48:08] <zleap> but that has not made a difference
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2081 [17:52:41] <zleap> BCMM: if I rename the ./config/chromium folder to chromium-backup is that the same as removing it
2082 [17:52:48] <BCMM> yes
2083 [17:52:57] <BCMM> chromium doesn't have any way of guessing where you moved it to
2084 [17:53:00] <zleap> ok done that, so i just reload chromium
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2086 [17:53:12] <zleap> lets see if it is any faster
2087 [17:53:41] <humpled> scratch the mit programming for kids thing?
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2090 [17:54:12] <zleap> humpled: yeah I run code club
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2092 [17:54:24] <humpled> nice
2093 [17:54:46] <zleap> hpwever I want to make an activity for a library event but it is so slow it is impossib;e to do anything
2094 [17:54:58] <humpled> is it still on flash?
2095 [17:54:58] <zleap> it was fine before stretch -> buster upgrade
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2097 [17:55:03] <zleap> no webgl
2098 [17:55:08] <humpled> oh
2099 [17:55:10] <zleap> hence it wont work on firefox
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2109 [18:01:31] <zleap> I am trying (well struggling ) to enable it on firefox
2110 [18:01:39] <zleap> i think it seems to be some sort of javascript thing
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2118 [18:05:40] <zleap> ok my browser doesn't support webgl
2119 [18:05:58] <zleap> it suggests upgrading my graphics driver but I struggle with that on Debian as it is
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2122 [18:07:13] <danielh123> How can I read logon type keys from the kernel keyring as root?
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2124 [18:07:51] <danielh123> (when the man page says it's not possible from userspace but the keys are clearly in memory and I am, well, root...)
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2127 [18:09:58] <zleap> is there a tool in debian to manage graphics drivers like there is in ubuntu or mint, as in allows me to change the driver i am using
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2140 [18:18:20] <v1nc1_> <zleap> name of this tools is ?
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2143 [18:21:33] <Soo_Slow> does anybody there use hexchat for irc? Is it possible to change theme without forgetting older settings completely (so in case something will go wrong, I ll be able to revert back)?
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2145 [18:21:45] <RLa> if I went to install debian on a recent laptop, should I go with stretch or buster?
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2147 [18:22:04] <RLa> I'm using hexchat but have no idea about settings
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2149 [18:22:12] <RLa> default theme is annoying tho
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2151 [18:22:32] <koollman> Soo_Slow: I'm fairly sure you can save the configuration file or folder before trying that
2152 [18:22:55] <greycat> RLa: I would expect buster to have better support for "recent" hardware. Make sure you use the non-free netinst images.
2153 [18:23:17] <RLa> are there non-free full images?
2154 [18:23:26] <greycat> Yes, those also exist.
2155 [18:23:34] <Soo_Slow> koollman, sure I can. But I thought if there is some built-in feature to switch themes "on fly"
2156 [18:23:42] <RLa> it's t480s and likely needs inter wireless firmware
2157 [18:23:50] <RLa> intel's*
2158 [18:25:09] <uRock> RLa, replaced-url
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2161 [18:28:20] <RLa> uRock, should I take 10.0.0+nonfree or rc3+nonfree?
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2165 [18:29:04] <greycat> rc means Release Candidate. That's older.
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2167 [18:29:29] <zleap> v1nc1_: hardware something, not sure not used mint or ubuntu in a while
2168 [18:29:37] <zleap> or driver manager
2169 [18:29:43] <RLa> oh, buster was released a week ago!
2170 [18:29:44] <dashs> upgrade woe- changed sources.list to deb.debian.org, and libappstream fails for apt update to buster
2171 [18:29:47] <RLa> nice
2172 [18:30:00] <zleap> essentially I am being told to upgrade my video driver,
2173 [18:30:11] <greycat> almost 2 weeks
2174 [18:30:11] <zleap> not even sure that will fix the issues with scratch being so slow
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2176 [18:30:27] <zleap> back shortly
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2188 [18:36:10] <zleap> RLa: yeah
2189 [18:36:17] <zleap> July 6th or 7th
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2194 [18:41:05] <docarys> Any decent guides to learn how the new nft(ables) works?
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2206 [18:52:59] <han-solo> RLa: i installed stretch for some reason on my new laptop, and it didn't install the video drivers and wifi stuff properly, a upgrade to buster did fix everything
2207 [18:53:57] <RLa> han-solo, I also had issues with video on my older laptop but this one only got cpu-based video interface, so it should be good
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2210 [18:54:55] <uRock> "it should be good" famous last words, lol.
2211 [18:55:05] <RLa> it also needed some tuning for coming out of sleep but I just used a small script to directly change acpi setting through /proc
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2236 [19:09:02] <dashs> han-solo just curious what laptop hdw?
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2242 [19:11:31] <han-solo> dashs: HP probook 430 G6
2243 [19:11:59] <dashs> Like it?
2244 [19:12:08] <han-solo> it had all those UEFI, secure boot stuff i had to mess
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2246 [19:12:23] <han-solo> dashs: Sure, it is compact and nice
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2290 [19:41:51] <hugepolly> trying to crossbuild libssl1.1 using sbuild on amd64 for armhf - im getting a few errors like this '
2291 [19:41:54] <hugepolly> dh_shlibdeps -a -L libssl1.1
2292 [19:41:56] <hugepolly> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: cannot find library libdl.so.2 needed by debian/libssl1.1-udeb/usr/lib/libssl.so.1.1 (ELF format: 'elf32-littlearm' abi: '0101002800000000'; RPATH: '')
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2360 [20:33:27] <ponyofdeath> hi, I am unable to mount two btrfs subvol=@root and subvol=@home with systemd timeing out and dropping to recovery shell. as soon as I disable /home mount in fstab everything starts up. anyone know whats going on here?
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2362 [20:33:57] <CrazyTux> hello, what advantages does Debian have over distros based on debian like mx linux? for newbies?
2363 [20:34:23] <CrazyTux> is mx linux not easier to install and use as compared to debian?
2364 [20:35:23] <noln> ponyofdeath, please post the btrfs lines of /etc/fstab on paste.debian.net
2365 [20:35:30] <ratrace> CrazyTux: you should ask the mx linux folks that
2366 [20:35:40] <diogenes_> CrazyTux, different strokes for different folks.
2367 [20:35:46] <CrazyTux> ok
2368 [20:36:52] <ponyofdeath> noln: its UUID=blah / defaults,subvol=@root 0 0 and UUID=blah /home defaults,subvol=@home
2369 [20:37:10] <ponyofdeath> tried using the x-systemd before and requires / but did not change anything
2370 [20:37:22] <uRock> CrazyTux, I've completed a few Debian installs over the past few days. Only had ONE little hiccup and it was easy to fix.
2371 [20:37:25] <petn-randall> CrazyTux: You can pick whatever derivative you like, but the more specific the distro, the smaller the support community around it.
2372 [20:37:52] <ratrace> ponyofdeath: add "nofail" to mount options for /home and then check the logs once it boots, what went wrong
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2374 [20:38:21] <ponyofdeath> ratrace: it already stops at and fails to remount / as well
2375 [20:38:34] <noln> ponyofdeath, mount -osubvol=@home -U blah /mnt
2376 [20:38:53] <ponyofdeath> noln: if i remove /home from fstab it boots fine
2377 [20:39:02] <ponyofdeath> then i uncomment /home in fstab and do mount /home
2378 [20:39:04] <ponyofdeath> it mounts fine
2379 [20:39:16] <ponyofdeath> its the combination of both of them in fstab
2380 [20:39:24] <ratrace> ponyofdeath: can you do what i mentioned?
2381 [20:39:32] <CrazyTux> petn-randall: ok
2382 [20:39:50] <ponyofdeath> ratrace: ok let me try that
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2387 [20:46:49] <ponyofdeath> ratrace: ok so now systemd continues, the timeout is still waiting will see systemctl --failed after it times out
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2390 [20:47:52] <fusion809> Hi folks, whenever I try to launch sagemath with (`sage`) on Debian 10 I get the error: /bin/sage: line 244: /bin/sage-env: No such file or directory.
2391 [20:48:03] <fusion809> This is sagemath installed from the official repos
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2393 [20:48:09] <fusion809> Any ideas what I need to do?
2394 [20:48:19] <fusion809> I have Google searched for a package that provides that I can't find any useful results
2395 [20:48:24] <greycat> sounds like this sage-env program didn't get installed for whatever reason
2396 [20:48:28] <fusion809> I've searched packages.debian.org for a package providing that
2397 [20:48:33] <fusion809> Can't find any
2398 [20:48:35] <nkuttler> fusion809: looks like that file is in sagemath-common: /usr/share/sagemath/bin/sage-env
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2400 [20:48:47] <nkuttler> and maybe an alternative is missing
2401 [20:48:48] <fusion809> sagemath-common is installed
2402 [20:48:54] <nkuttler> yup
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2404 [20:49:10] <greycat> oh, by "official repos" he meant from Debian
2405 [20:49:22] <fusion809> Yep
2406 [20:50:00] <fusion809> I even just tried reinstall sagemath with APT and I still get this sage-env error
2407 [20:50:07] <fusion809> So what am I meant to do?
2408 [20:50:11] <nkuttler> fusion809: do you know what a symlink is?
2409 [20:50:43] <fusion809> Ah fair enough, just symlink between that file and /bin/sage-env, just thought there was a more Debian-specific way of setting this up
2410 [20:51:15] <nkuttler> there is, the alternatives system i already mentioned
2411 [20:51:34] <nkuttler> though i guess that serves a different purpose really
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2413 [20:51:43] <nkuttler> fusion809: in any case, you should file a bug report
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2416 [20:52:57] <greycat> have you tried reinstalling sagemath-common yet?
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2420 [20:55:20] <greycat> I don't know anything about this package, but... the fact that the program actually lives in /usr/share/sagemath/bin/sage-env but the error says /bin/sage-env makes me wonder whether something is supposed to run chrooted to /usr/share/sagemath and is failing to do that
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2422 [20:59:22] <fusion809> OK, just filed one.
2423 [20:59:33] <fusion809> (bug report)
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2426 [21:02:30] <ziGuy> Guys, after grub is starting up, my monitor is going down. i thought a dist-upgrade to debian 10 will solve this but now i don't have access even if i set the boot flag init=/bin/bash :-|, any suggestions?
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2428 [21:03:46] <noln> sagemath is a moving target and becomes obsolete quickly, and (so far) is not getting the load of bugfixes found upstream, so consider running upstream if this is something long-term
2429 [21:04:19] <noln> I'm speaking of stable, ofc, not testing or sid
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2431 [21:05:34] <diogenes_> ziGuy, try: nomodeset acpi=off as grub params
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2433 [21:08:02] <ziGuy> Thanks, i'll try in a minute and let you know
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2463 [21:28:02] <NetTerminalGene> guys, default debian (without blobs) works fine with ryzen 3200G?
2464 [21:28:11] <NetTerminalGene> buster
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2483 [21:48:27] <NetTerminalGene> :/
2484 [21:49:12] <humpled> ?
2485 [21:50:21] <NetTerminalGene> humpled, no one answers my question
2486 [21:51:05] <humpled> maybe no one has a card like yours
2487 [21:51:34] <greycat> I think it's a CPU, not a card, but the question was so incredibly hyper-focused and specialized that only someone with that EXACT piece of hardware can answer it.
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2489 [21:52:28] <NetTerminalGene> yeah
2490 [21:52:58] <humpled> i keep meaning to look for some lists of known supported hardware, there used to be lists like this
2491 [21:53:13] <greycat> !ryzen
2492 [21:53:26] <greycat> Hmm, a bit surprising there's nothing at all.
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2494 [21:55:50] <rabbitear_sdf> bad googling skills
2495 [21:56:40] <rabbitear_sdf> or burn out, one of the two
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2497 [21:57:01] <greycat> the first google results I get for debian on ryzen are talking about stretch
2498 [21:57:12] <rabbitear_sdf> wow
2499 [21:57:23] <rabbitear_sdf> what a stretch
2500 [21:57:27] <greycat> talking about is bad, because it means people are asking how to make it work on stretch
2501 [21:57:34] <NetTerminalGene> there is 2200G stuff ddg
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2505 [21:58:08] <rabbitear_sdf> yeah, did you try yahoo greycat ?
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2507 [21:58:29] <rabbitear_sdf> you might get a different second link
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2511 [21:59:52] <greycat> At this point the only thing I can say is "don't bother trying stretch or older on it". I don't know whether buster will work well or not. Someone would have to try it and report the results.
2512 [22:00:17] <rabbitear_sdf> greycat: search engine by post
2513 [22:01:11] <rabbitear_sdf> greycat: you sound like you know what you are doing ;)
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2518 [22:01:51] <humpled> silly rabbit
2519 [22:02:21] <dan_kelly> Hello
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2522 [22:03:06] <rabbitear_sdf> tricks are not for kids !
2523 [22:03:35] <humpled> get back in the hat plz
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2525 [22:03:54] <rabbitear_sdf> well I'm looking for my american express card
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2527 [22:04:20] <dan_kelly> Debian 10 user needs a little help please
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2529 [22:04:45] * rabbitear_sdf gives dan_kelly $100
2530 [22:05:30] <uRock> Shrek's giving away money now?
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2533 [22:05:59] <rabbitear_sdf> its the only way to make people smile anymore
2534 [22:06:04] <dan_kelly> $100 will get me to hop distros
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2536 [22:06:23] <rabbitear_sdf> its not enough?
2537 [22:07:00] <uRock> dan_kelly, what's your issue? get it out on the table.
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2539 [22:07:15] <dan_kelly> Have camera trouble with Google Hangouts
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2542 [22:08:14] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: well thats sad, and why just hangouts?
2543 [22:08:30] <ziGuy> i messed up everything.
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2545 [22:09:09] <rabbitear_sdf> class class, quiet down
2546 [22:09:26] <ziGuy> can't bring up interface now: iptables-restore... line 2: table_flush failed (device or resource busy)
2547 [22:09:48] <ziGuy> line6: chain_user_add failed (file exists)
2548 [22:10:33] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: whats the difference from your iptables to your interface?
2549 [22:11:39] <dan_kelly> Don't know. Work on Stream Yard and Jitsi. Also turns on in cheeze
2550 [22:12:17] <ziGuy> what do you mean?
2551 [22:12:25] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: what browser?
2552 [22:12:33] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: what is the differnece?
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2555 [22:13:12] <ziGuy> can you tell me how to check?
2556 [22:13:28] <dan_kelly> Chrome, chromium, Vivaldi
2557 [22:13:31] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: check what?
2558 [22:13:53] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: could be DRM thing, but I don't really know
2559 [22:14:06] <ziGuy> i don't realy understand how to compare an interface with iptables, sorry
2560 [22:14:19] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: any other browsers pick up the mic and cam?
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2562 [22:15:18] <ziGuy> is there anyway to reset iptables? not just the rules as it doesn't work
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2565 [22:16:36] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: yes
2566 [22:16:47] <uRock> ziGuy, check out replaced-url
2567 [22:16:54] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: you flush all the tables
2568 [22:17:05] <uRock> it lists the commands you're looking for
2569 [22:17:07] <dan_kelly> Mic,all of the work. Camera Hangout only problem
2570 [22:17:17] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: flush is a good word for iptables
2571 [22:17:30] <ziGuy> flushing didn't work, same message
2572 [22:17:37] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: work in what website?
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2574 [22:17:53] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: you have to flush all the tables
2575 [22:17:56] <jmcnaught> dan_kelly: do you get an error in chromium or does it just fail silently? What if you run chromium from a terminal to see its text output?
2576 [22:17:58] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: -t
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2579 [22:18:37] <ziGuy> -F?
2580 [22:18:45] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: -t!
2581 [22:18:47] <ziGuy> the chains are empty, nothing to flush
2582 [22:18:55] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: you -F all the -t's
2583 [22:19:00] <rabbitear_sdf> no chains
2584 [22:19:01] <ziGuy> iptables -t?
2585 [22:19:03] <rabbitear_sdf> tables
2586 [22:19:11] <rabbitear_sdf> this is iptables not ipchains
2587 [22:19:29] <rabbitear_sdf> man iptables ziGuy
2588 [22:19:39] <rabbitear_sdf> nat table filter table, etc
2589 [22:20:05] <greycat> -F, --flush [chain]
2590 [22:20:10] <greycat> Flush the selected chain (all the chains in the table if none is
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2592 [22:20:23] <rabbitear_sdf> yeah, but your missing the tables
2593 [22:20:51] <dan_kelly> No errors, the camera is recognized but does not turn on. I did do a search but nothing helpful. Camera is a Logitec c922
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2596 [22:21:26] <jmcnaught> dan_kelly: no errors even if you run chromium from a terminal? Does it work in firefox-esr?
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2598 [22:21:40] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: its not about the camera if it works sometimes
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2602 [22:23:03] <dan_kelly> No in terminal and no in firefox esr
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2604 [22:23:44] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: how do you know your browser lets you use its camera at all?
2605 [22:24:10] <dan_kelly> Camera does show up as Logitec C922 but don't turn on.
2606 [22:25:03] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: look, but it doesn't matter if it works like say with cheese, because the browser sounds like its blocking it
2607 [22:25:06] <dan_kelly> Camera Works with everything else but Google Hangouts
2608 [22:25:20] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: I don't believe you
2609 [22:25:42] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: you got any other cam app for the browser?
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2612 [22:26:36] <diogenes_> dan_kelly, on firefox?
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2614 [22:26:51] <dan_kelly> Stream Yard and jitsi works fine in the browsers
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2616 [22:27:29] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: does google have a 1-800 number you can call?
2617 [22:27:38] <jmcnaught> dan_kelly: if some sites work in the browser and only google hangouts does not then it sounds like a google issue.
2618 [22:27:55] <dan_kelly> Dont Know
2619 [22:27:59] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: file a bug report
2620 [22:28:03] <dan_kelly> maybe
2621 [22:28:41] <diogenes_> if it's ff then hangouts don't support ff, chrome user agent needed.
2622 [22:28:45] <ziGuy> ok, was not familiar with -t. 1 error is gone but still: line 2: TABLE_FLUSH failed (Device or resource busy): table filter
2623 [22:28:48] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: usually I think those are DRM things, but could be wrong too
2624 [22:28:59] <uRock> dan_kelly, replaced-url
2625 [22:29:07] <ziGuy> i ran among the rest:iptables -t filter -F
2626 [22:29:25] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: -t nat too
2627 [22:29:32] <ziGuy> already did
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2629 [22:29:48] <rabbitear_sdf> then --list-rules for each -t
2630 [22:29:54] <ziGuy> mangle as well
2631 [22:29:58] <dan_kelly> Hangouts does work in Linux Mint and Ubuntu, But I want to get away from them. To much drama!
2632 [22:29:59] <rabbitear_sdf> yeah
2633 [22:30:17] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: so you are back to your interface only
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2636 [22:31:03] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: that is because human beings
2637 [22:31:21] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: they are not monks
2638 [22:31:48] <rabbitear_sdf> only *I*, j/k
2639 [22:32:46] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: 'ip' command like 'ip addr show' helps
2640 [22:33:04] <rabbitear_sdf> and I miss ifconfig ;(
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2642 [22:33:20] <dan_kelly> @uRock Been to that support page. Not much help. I did look around before coming here.
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2644 [22:33:31] <uRock> dan_kelly, kool
2645 [22:33:39] <uRock> I was hoping there'd be something
2646 [22:33:59] <rabbitear_sdf> uRock: now you know
2647 [22:34:29] <uRock> rabbitear_sdf, Know what?
2648 [22:34:40] <rabbitear_sdf> what's on the page
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2650 [22:34:50] <uRock> but I don't
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2652 [22:35:03] <rabbitear_sdf> well you know now what is not on the page
2653 [22:35:22] <ziGuy> Yay! i had some very old script (2013) in /etc/network/*pre-ups...
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2656 [22:35:38] <rabbitear_sdf> \o/ success ziGuy
2657 [22:36:06] <rabbitear_sdf> ziGuy: but anything could of put up that interface probably
2658 [22:36:42] <xaeB5> can anyone recommend a sound recorder in debian repos? just need something simple to record audio from the computer microphone
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2660 [22:37:02] <ziGuy> now is the real fun :-| original issue was the my monitor shut down right after grub. i've just replaced the video card and now checking... give me few moments please
2661 [22:37:03] <rabbitear_sdf> sox
2662 [22:37:13] <ws2k3> im on debian jessie. i wish to install mysql 5.5.60 by default it installs 5.5.62 is it possible to hard say i wanne install 5.5.60?
2663 [22:37:22] <nifker> There is no firefox with wayland support in the debian repo, or?
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2665 [22:37:30] <dan_kelly> Does anyone use Google Hangout on debian and does it even work?
2666 [22:37:50] <uRock> xaeB5, replaced-url
2667 [22:37:51] <jmcnaught> nifker: not yet but it works under xwayland okay
2668 [22:38:10] <ziGuy> after blacklisted nvidia in every possoble way now i need to bring it back again :-|
2669 [22:38:11] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: we use the phone/android
2670 [22:38:16] <nifker> notifications cause it too freeze 1-2secs
2671 [22:38:39] <uRock> dan_kelly, it works
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2674 [22:38:54] <uRock> but I don't use audio/video
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2676 [22:39:35] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: why can't you use the mysql-server 5.5.62-0+deb8u1 that is in the repo?
2677 [22:40:00] <jmcnaught> nifker: what notifications? firefox-esr hangs?
2678 [22:40:22] <nifker> jmcnaught: firefox notifications from websites
2679 [22:40:54] <ws2k3> jmcnaught cause im migrating an older wheezy server to a newer sollution and i wish to stay on exacly the same version of possible
2680 [22:41:03] <rabbitear_sdf> actually I was trying to use google-chrome with matrix, to video chat, and it had some protections which I never figured out what where, but I have a feeling because I'm a scienist, that it was a drm thing
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2682 [22:41:15] <dan_kelly> We use it on many Linux YouTube channels to do shows.
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2684 [22:42:05] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: are you migrating the database by doing a mysqldump?
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2686 [22:42:17] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: but, the issue is inside that browser, I'd bet
2687 [22:42:17] <ws2k3> jmcnaught no. using drbd
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2689 [22:42:27] <ws2k3> jmcnaught to a new filesystem on another server
2690 [22:42:31] <phogg> dan_kelly: isn't hangouts being shut down later this year?
2691 [22:43:01] <uRock> phogg, it starts going down for users in october
2692 [22:43:07] <uRock> down for good next year
2693 [22:43:17] <phogg> sounds like he needs a new plan in any case, then
2694 [22:43:26] <rabbitear_sdf> it was getting its jabber (I forgot the letters) part of it taken away a couple of years ago phogg
2695 [22:43:45] <rabbitear_sdf> but it actually didn't happen, they lied, it still does jabber
2696 [22:44:10] <rabbitear_sdf> or maybe I'm lying, but pidgin still works with hangouts
2697 [22:44:15] <phogg> rabbitear_sdf: partly; people who had been using gmail addresses for jabber when it got sunsetted in *some* cases kept being able to use it for some years. I was one of the lucky ones.
2698 [22:44:17] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: have you referred to the mysql documentation to see if that is a supported migration technique. I haven't used mysql in some time, but the way to do it before was using mysqldump
2699 [22:44:33] <phogg> rabbitear_sdf: new gmail accounts won't work, though
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2701 [22:44:42] * phogg hasn't tried it lately
2702 [22:45:04] <jmcnaught> nifker: I would try running firefox from a terminal to see if you get any errors when it locks up
2703 [22:45:41] <phogg> dan_kelly: seems like it would be pretty short-term valuable to find a way to make hangouts work again only to lose it in 3 months anyway. What do you use it for? Maybe there are better long term options.
2704 [22:45:46] <ws2k3> jmcnaught yes i know. but that isnt realy my question as of this moment.
2705 [22:45:55] <dan_kelly> #<phogg> Ya but it would be nice to use it until we settle on something else
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2707 [22:46:11] <ws2k3> jmcnaught i just wish to install mysql 5.5.60 instead of 5.5.62 as of this moment
2708 [22:46:16] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: no you cannot get other versions of mysql in jessie, only the one provided in the repos.
2709 [22:46:38] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: do your mysql migration properly and you don't need to worry about this.
2710 [22:47:19] <ws2k3> jmcnaught i cant do a full lock on the database this would affect production. so how else im gonna do this?
2711 [22:47:21] <rabbitear_sdf> phogg: no the site works, used to do hangouts
2712 [22:47:36] <nifker> jmcnaught: seems like some synchronous IO - I get "(firefox-esr:23157): libnotify-WARNING **: 22:46:45.441: Failed to connect to proxy"
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2714 [22:48:02] <jmcnaught> nifker: something to look into at least
2715 [22:48:08] <rabbitear_sdf> for instance it works in chromeOS
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2718 [22:48:19] <ws2k3> jmcnaught im reading that something like this should work apt-get install subversion=1.9.2-1
2719 [22:48:31] <rabbitear_sdf> and why not figure out why it doesn't work phogg ?
2720 [22:48:54] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: use the command 'apt-cache policy <package>' to see which versions are available.
2721 [22:49:02] <rabbitear_sdf> no matter how long its gonna be there, nothing is gonna be there evenually, save facebook
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2723 [22:49:18] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: you should make your own
2724 [22:49:31] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: I strongly suggest that you test your migration strategy on some non-vital systems if not interrupting production is your concern.
2725 [22:49:31] <dan_kelly> The device (camera) does show up in the browse setting and is Allowed. It just don't turn on with Hangouts
2726 [22:49:39] <nifker> seems to be this issue replaced-url
2727 [22:49:44] <ws2k3> jmcnaught then i see 5.5.62-0+deb8u1 0 and 5.5.60-0+deb8u1 0 the .60 is the version i want
2728 [22:49:53] <phogg> rabbitear_sdf: why sink time into proprietary junk?
2729 [22:50:04] <ws2k3> jmcnaught yeah i know. im trying to do that now
2730 [22:50:16] <rabbitear_sdf> phogg: true that, but its, good to know why too
2731 [22:50:23] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: try it and see
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2733 [22:50:50] <rabbitear_sdf> phogg: I wonder what it takes to make your own ''hangouts''
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2736 [22:51:16] <phogg> dan_kelly: from anecdotal experience (from one of my brothers) hangouts audio/video has a very spotty record, even on Windows. He would get into situations on a week-by-week basis where it worked, stopped working, worked a bit, broke again, etc., all in new and interesting ways. Eventually he gave up on it and switched to something else.
2737 [22:51:40] <phogg> rabbitear_sdf: less and less all the time. Key term: webrtc
2738 [22:52:03] <rabbitear_sdf> phogg: I used matrix.org for video chat before, and on my end chrome was only letting me about 5 seconds of audio, via refreshing the page...
2739 [22:52:24] <ws2k3> jmcnaught this worked. great thanks!
2740 [22:52:41] <rabbitear_sdf> phogg: I was thinking that is a ''security'' measure somewhere..
2741 [22:52:58] <phogg> rabbitear_sdf: it's a reasonable guess.
2742 [22:53:21] <rabbitear_sdf> still unsolved, oh well
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2745 [22:53:56] <dan_kelly> It works fine in Mint and Ubuntu. Been using it for two year. The trick is you must use a chromium based browser
2746 [22:54:40] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: chromium != google-chrome
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2748 [22:55:09] <dan_kelly> Ya, that too
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2752 [22:56:52] <dan_kelly> I can even get Hangout to work in Arch, When Arch don't brake it self
2753 [22:56:57] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: if you wanna go as far as something like 'diff'ing the difference from mint/ubuntu debian
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2763 [23:00:01] <dan_kelly> I want to stay on debian it looks like I may need to use Ubuntu to do Hangouts until we fine something else
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2765 [23:00:44] <rabbitear_sdf> chromium might not have DRM built in
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2767 [23:01:13] <rabbitear_sdf> firefox, you have to turn it on
2768 [23:02:16] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: everybody thinks they are doing the right thing
2769 [23:02:17] <dan_kelly> Chromiun works on Ubuntu and Mint and Arch right out of the box
2770 [23:02:34] <rabbitear_sdf> but you can compile whatever you want in it
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2772 [23:02:56] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: leave out parts, like DRM etc, that have other types of liences etc
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2774 [23:03:54] <rabbitear_sdf> mint/ubuntu don't have as strick policy of what liences go into it
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2776 [23:04:50] <rabbitear_sdf> so like, phogg is right, hangouts should and will mess you up if you depend on it
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2778 [23:05:06] <rabbitear_sdf> no matter what thing it needs
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2781 [23:06:05] <dan_kelly> Ok, I understand debian is not big on Non free packages. I went through that on the install. So maybe something is missing
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2789 [23:07:01] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: its possible to add google-chrome along side of chromium
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2791 [23:07:13] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: its not free software friendly
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2799 [23:11:21] <dan_kelly> This is the only issue I found with debian 10 so fear since it came out. It's a little thing, not enough to give up on it.
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2806 [23:13:49] <dan_kelly> Thank's for your time!
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2810 [23:15:47] <coruja> dan_kelly, maybe replaced-url
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2812 [23:17:57] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: welcome! thanks for the issue
2813 [23:18:02] <qman__> Looks like netdata was removed from stretch-backports, anybody know what's up with that?
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2816 [23:19:07] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: install from google's site, google-chrome, I believe there is a repo from google
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2818 [23:19:27] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: that should give you full non-free DRM and that crap
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2820 [23:20:02] <rabbitear_sdf> dan_kelly: replaced-url
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2829 [23:26:24] <ziGuy> Guys, how can i know if i'm using KMS?
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2832 [23:27:31] <rant> you're using kms
2833 [23:27:41] <ziGuy> explain
2834 [23:27:46] <BCMM> ziGuy: my machine says "[drm] initializing kernel modesetting (POLARIS10 0x1002:0x67DF 0x148C:0x2373 0xCF)." in dmesg, but i don't know if that's specific to the amdgpu driver
2835 [23:28:19] <rant> no, there will be a drm kms line in anyone's kernel messages
2836 [23:28:33] <rant> even if it didnt load successfully
2837 [23:29:04] <BCMM> rant: what do you mean by "you're using kms". isn't it still all weird if you have proprietary nvidia drivers?
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2841 [23:29:25] <ziGuy> well dmesg shows no kms line
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2843 [23:29:36] <rant> hell if I know, I havent touched them in ages
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2847 [23:29:58] <BCMM> rant: as in "initializing kernel modesetting" is just the subsystem loading, and doesn't indicate that it actually set a mode?
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2849 [23:30:38] <EmleyMoor> BCMM: If it didn't indicate failure, you're using it
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2853 [23:31:07] <dan_kelly> Ok, Removed Chrome. Downloaded Chrome as a deb package and install it with gdebi. This fixed the problem, Camera turns on in ALL browser. Must need a package only found in Chrome.
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2858 [23:34:22] <ziGuy> so? how should i know? have some lack of performance here i think
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2862 [23:35:25] <rant> ziGuy: are you running X? what graphics card?
2863 [23:35:37] <rant> if you are running a modern os, on modern hardware, you are using KMS
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2866 [23:36:44] <debuser_> Hi. I have a bit of an issue after upgrading to Buster, namely I can't seem to launch Weston/Wayland (from a VT console). This used to work fine in Stretch, so it seems to be a regression. If it matters, I'm on a fairly old Intel graphics, fut hw acceleration works fine under X. Thoughts? It's not a huge issue, just a bit weird
2867 [23:36:51] <rant> there are only two other options.. UMS and no modesetting and UMS breaks most modern software, and no modesetting makes it impossible to display output if the machine screws up so..
2868 [23:37:01] <EmleyMoor> ziGuy, If it hasn't said it isn't working, it is. Simple as that.
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2870 [23:38:26] <ziGuy> video card is old: geforce 210
2871 [23:38:44] <BCMM> ziGuy: what driver are you using?
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2873 [23:39:10] <ziGuy> nouveau
2874 [23:39:42] <ziGuy> you think i shall install nvidia's driver?
2875 [23:40:06] * EmleyMoor would avoid that unless nouveau plays up
2876 [23:40:07] <ziGuy> as far as i remember they uses KMS
2877 [23:40:07] <BCMM> pretty sure nouveau always uses kms
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2883 [23:42:39] <ziGuy> ok, thanks
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2891 [23:47:23] <rant> (lsmod;dmesg;cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log)|grep -Ei 'drm|kms|modesetting'|nc termbin.com 9999
2892 [23:47:26] <rant> replaced-url
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2895 [23:48:23] <rant> fwiw.. to further illustrate kms is the rule, not the exception
2896 [23:48:34] <rant> even windows has used kms for decades
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2905 [23:58:53] <debuser_> Hi. I have a bit of an issue after upgrading to Buster, namely I can't seem to launch Weston/Wayland (from a VT console). This used to work fine in Stretch, so it seems to be a regression. If it matters, I'm on a fairly old Intel graphics, but HW accel works fine under X. Thoughts? It's not a huge issue, just a bit weird. It seems to go wrong with "failed to greate gbm surface", "Failed to init output gl state"
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