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5 [00:02:06] <landia> Anyone use nftables to block new incoming traffic to docker containers? Used to just straight up bypass UFW when I was using that
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57 [00:39:56] <eblip> oh sorry forgot to update ..the upgrade from debian stretch to buster went fine ...got a tiny issue with minissdpd but everything else was working fine
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60 [00:40:43] <humpled> \o/
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77 [00:51:02] <epony> WTF QoTD: "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page".
78 [00:51:08] <epony> no
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83 [00:52:21] <uRock> Lol, none of the pages I've designed have Java.
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85 [00:52:58] <epony> That's from the GOOG..
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87 [00:53:51] <epony> In fact the majority of web sites display information just fine without any JS and most of them even look better without any CSS.
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89 [00:54:01] <epony> :-D
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93 [00:55:52] <uRock> yup
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96 [00:56:35] <humpled> good luck
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98 [00:57:10] <epony> It works regardless of luck (or no luck) wishes :-)
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157 [01:51:40] <jcb2016> guys i been reading the release notes for buster i did some stuff on here and it seems fine. i then changed my sources.list to buster ran an apt update now im doing a apt upgrade. im getting an error about inetutils-ping conflicts: ping E: Broken packages
158 [01:51:42] <jcb2016> any ideas?
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160 [01:52:12] <jcb2016> i just ran apt install inetutils-ping and it seemed fine
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163 [01:53:03] <Gerowen> What is the appropriate way to view system tray icons for applications, in my case the Nextcloud client?
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167 [01:55:33] <jelly> ravioli, atop if the process lives for more than 10 seconds as that's the sampling frequency
168 [01:57:09] <jcb2016> so i just removed inetutils-ping and eveything is working
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170 [01:59:42] <eb0t> on this page why are the torrent files 1 , 2 , 3 different sizes
171 [01:59:46] <eb0t> replaced-url
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180 [02:02:30] <eb0t> The first DVD in this set is also deliberately limited in size so it should fit on a standard-sized 4GB USB stick.
181 [02:02:33] <eblip> thats why
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185 [02:09:54] <epsilon> eb0t: they contains the packages, not all packages fit on one dvd
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191 [02:11:42] <epsilon> eb0t: if the host to be installed has fast internet, consider using the netinstall image
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194 [02:12:02] <eb0t> ah ok thanks
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240 [02:56:37] <william> i have read in documentation that i really should not load third party stuff and that i should use only that which is in distribution. but pepperaudio will not work on my legacy 32 bit so what is good other than adobe flash
241 [02:57:18] <rjsalts> you're using chromium?
242 [02:57:48] <petn-randall> william: Are there still websites using flash?
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244 [02:58:46] <rjsalts> petn-randall: yeah, getting less and less with chrome asking for explicit permission to run each time though
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248 [03:01:19] <epony> people still use chrome?
249 [03:02:40] <rjsalts> epony: about 60% of the people by some measurements
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251 [03:03:20] <epony> must be something like the IE with Win95 and later
252 [03:03:29] <epony> or wrong measures :-)
253 [03:05:40] <rjsalts> android does contribute in a similar way to IE bundled with windows
254 [03:05:50] <epony> yep
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259 [03:07:53] <Gerowen> Haven't used Debian in a while, is it normal for /sbin to not be in PATH?
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261 [03:08:04] <Gerowen> Reasonably fresh installation, about 2 hours old.
262 [03:08:07] <rjsalts> Gerowen: for non-root users
263 [03:08:25] <rjsalts> Gerowen: if you're root /sbin and /usr/sbin will be in the PATH
264 [03:08:36] <ryouma> i stick it there anyway
265 [03:09:00] <epony> I have it in $PATH on my OS too (not Debian)
266 [03:09:23] <annadane> Gerowen, use su - instead of su
267 [03:09:34] <annadane> this is a change as of buster
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269 [03:11:28] <Gerowen> annadane: So su -c "somecommand"?
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273 [03:13:10] <annadane> i think i've seen su - -c recommended
274 [03:13:11] <Gerowen> Ah I see, ok.
275 [03:13:16] <Gerowen> It's literally just su -
276 [03:13:19] <annadane> yep
277 [03:13:40] <Gerowen> That sets environment variables for root, whereas I guess if I just use normal su, it elevates permissions, but still has my personal variables in mind.
278 [03:13:42] <Gerowen> Trackin'
279 [03:13:44] <Gerowen> Like a missile
280 [03:13:51] <rjsalts> it's a login shell
281 [03:14:27] <annadane> i aliased grep to grep -i but haven't aliased su to su - because my muscle memory is so strong by this point anyway :P
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286 [03:22:19] <william> what plays wav files
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288 [03:22:56] <petn-randall> william: Most audio players do, it's a very basic encoding format.
289 [03:23:41] <annadane> *go to website* "sorry, you don't have realplayer installed" :P
290 [03:23:58] <Gerowen> annadane: Were you browsing archive.org or something? lol
291 [03:24:03] <ryouma> annadane: my grep function is TERM=xterm LC_ALL=C xzgrep -i --color=auto --devices=skip "$@"
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293 [03:24:32] <annadane> we don't deserve vlc, what a wonderful bit of software
294 [03:24:41] <uRock> truth
295 [03:24:52] <ryouma> it is great
296 [03:25:18] <ryouma> it always has a bug with its non-fullscreen settings though
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298 [03:26:32] <william> petn-randall: sound is in applications but when i choose it i just get the preferences screen
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301 [03:29:36] <petn-randall> william: Sounds like you're not opening an application, but the sound settings.
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304 [03:30:22] <annadane> william, are you trying to open a .wav file in some directory? you should be able to choose which application or even set the association for future, depending on what desktop environemnt you use
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307 [03:31:03] <annadane> (i like pcmanfm in this regard, it doesn't auto-set associations like thunar does but you can easily do it manually)
308 [03:31:07] <william> petn-randall: yes that is true so how do i open the app. I am buster amd32
309 [03:31:51] <william> annadane:yes in a directory and i right click on the wav file and do not see any sound app to associate it with
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313 [03:32:40] <petn-randall> william: Install an audio player first. "vlc" for example works.
314 [03:32:46] <annadane> which file manager? and do you have something like vlc or mpv installed?
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316 [03:33:10] <uRock> or Audacious
317 [03:33:18] <abrock> I want to install Debian stable and for partitioning I selected "Guided - use entire disk and set up encryptet LVM". It wants to create a 64GB swap partition and I want to make it smaller, how can I do that?
318 [03:33:19] <annadane> !start a media player war
319 [03:33:19] <dpkg> mplayer ownz you, and xine sucks ass!
320 [03:33:36] <uRock> lol
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322 [03:33:54] <annadane> you can't just click the entry that says 64gb swap and enter a smaller size?
323 [03:34:11] <annadane> i haven't done it but i assume you can, if it's like a normal install
324 [03:34:11] <abrock> I'm using text installer, no clicking possible
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328 [03:34:49] <petn-randall> abrock: You should be able to override the settings, IIRC.
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330 [03:34:58] <abrock> I can press enter but it only lets me change "use as: swap" to something like fat32
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333 [03:35:17] <petn-randall> abrock: You need to remove the partition, and create a smaller sized one.
334 [03:35:24] <petn-randall> The LV to be specific.
335 [03:35:27] <william> annadane: is vlc in distribution so i can just do apt-get install vlc
336 [03:35:35] <petn-randall> !tias
337 [03:35:35] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
338 [03:35:36] <abrock> how can I delete the partition?
339 [03:35:41] <uRock> william, yes
340 [03:35:52] <petn-randall> abrock: In the logical volume manager settings.
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342 [03:37:12] <annadane> replaced-url
343 [03:37:16] <annadane> but, yes, apt install vlc
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345 [03:37:39] <annadane> or apt-get or whatever
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354 [03:43:11] <abrock> hm, can't find any possibility to delete a partition
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357 [03:44:37] <petn-randall> You don't want to delete any partitions, you need to remove the LV.
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363 [03:46:34] <william> thanks guys
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400 [04:13:18] <abrock> I'm configuring manually now. Do I create one encrypted volume for both / and swap or one volume for each of them?
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403 [04:15:02] <petn-randall> abrock: You create a single partition that you use as a LUKS container. In that you create a PV for lvm2, which you can then use to create a VG, which contains all the LVs. On the LVs you put your filesystems, and add them as mount points. :)
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412 [04:23:24] <abrock> Should I use UEFI? Debian will be the only OS
413 [04:24:38] <uRock> I have this graphics card, [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM], when I boot the Buster gnome live image nouveau doesn't set the resolution properly and there's no "Displays" option. Does this mean I am likely to need a driver?
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415 [04:27:11] <Unit193> fglrx has been discontinued, so nope, guess not!
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417 [04:30:13] <jmcnaught> uRock: you probably just need a non-free firmware
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421 [04:32:25] <uRock> jmcnaught, That's good to know. It seems I am going to need that for the WiFi cards, also. Where's the best place to download those debs to install manually via sneakernet?
422 [04:33:11] <jmcnaught> !firmware image
423 [04:33:11] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
424 [04:33:34] <jmcnaught> uRock: ^ this ISO image includes most of the firmware packages
425 [04:34:38] <uRock> That's awesome! Thanks jmcnaught
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430 [04:36:04] <jmcnaught> uRock: there's also a section of the install manual that covers loading missing firmware and that section links to the firmwares and this non-free installer ISO if you ever forget where to get it
431 [04:37:26] <abrock> The installer says "No EFI partition found", is that bad?
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434 [04:38:21] <jmcnaught> abrock: you need a partition in FAT format mounted at /boot/efi if you want to boot with UEFI
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437 [04:38:58] <abrock> how big does it need to be?
438 [04:39:51] <BazookaTooth> 150-250mb works fine
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441 [04:40:09] <abrock> do I also need a /boot partition?
442 [04:40:15] <BazookaTooth> apple uses 210mb for whatever reason
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444 [04:40:25] <BazookaTooth> yes
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446 [04:41:19] <jmcnaught> abrock: why not do Guided partitioning, encrypted with LVM and then tweak the results after?
447 [04:41:37] <abrock> I can't figure out how to make the swap smaller
448 [04:41:52] <abrock> and the guide want 64GB swap since I have 64GB RAM
449 [04:42:00] <BazookaTooth> nope
450 [04:42:01] <jmcnaught> abrock: you add/remove LVM logical volumes with the "Configure LVM" menu option on the partitioner screen
451 [04:42:19] <jmcnaught> abrock: it will be with other "Configure …" menu options
452 [04:42:20] <BazookaTooth> use like 4gb
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454 [04:42:54] <jmcnaught> leave yourself some free space on the volume group too
455 [04:43:26] <abrock> why?
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457 [04:44:31] <jmcnaught> You can use that free space to do snapshots of LVs that you can merge back to, or use the space to grow a volume later on
458 [04:45:15] <abrock> ok
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460 [04:45:48] <abrock> Now I have a 100MB fat32 partition with mount point /boot/efi but when i enter "Finish partitioning" it complains about not EFI partition
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462 [04:46:47] <jmcnaught> abrock: you probably need to select the partition and change its "use as"
463 [04:47:13] <jmcnaught> I always just use guided partitioning and let it create the ESP for me
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465 [04:47:33] <abrock> ah, I was wondering what an "ESP" might b e
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472 [04:47:49] <jmcnaught> EFI system partition
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490 [04:54:07] <karlpinc> : Also, if you have a SSD you help avoid write amplification by reserving space you never ever write to.
491 [04:54:31] * karlpinc has left unpartitioned space for that purpose.
492 [04:55:55] <ryouma> the amplificaiton is only a factor of 2 though right?
493 [04:56:18] <ryouma> i am too afraid to wipe my drive, upgrade firmware, and repartition
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501 [05:05:12] <notbothot> Anyone here using a Zen 2?
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503 [05:05:32] <alexandros_tab> Good day, has anyone successful at configuring a rtl8811au chipset to work under bedian 10? Please tell me the github page that you used. There set that I found are either the source for does not work with the kernel of Debian 10 or support have been remove from the source. Thanks in advance.
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513 [05:19:46] <karlpinc> alexandros_tab: There is a "kernel handbook" if you want to build your own kernel. Otherwise, you could try looking for a newer kernel in the backports repo. (Assuming you know you can't use a stock kernel...)
514 [05:19:56] <karlpinc> ,kernels
515 [05:19:57] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-5); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-4~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u3~deb8u1); wheezy-
516 [05:19:58] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
517 [05:20:42] <petn-randall> notbothot: It's best if you ask your real question.
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526 [05:30:27] <alexandros_tab> karlpinc: thanks for answering but you misunderstand my question. I am using kernel 4.19 which is the stock kernel for buster. I am asking about the rtl8811au driver.
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529 [05:31:36] <dvs> alexandros_tab, here's some instructions for jessie. Maybe it will work for buster: replaced-url
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536 [05:37:31] <alexandros_tab> dvs: thanks but it doesn't work on buster, the driver is too old for the kernel
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565 [06:09:47] <berndj> how do i see what scripts tried to run when i installed some package? i have dpkg --script <packagename> in my .bash_history, but that doesn't seem to be a valid option (anymore?). same with s/dpkg/dpkg-query/; also in history, also a bad option
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618 [06:37:19] <alkisg> berndj: the preinst/postinst etc scripts of the .deb package are run, and they're stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst etc
619 [06:37:34] <alkisg> Of course those can run whatever other scripts or binaries they want
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644 [06:50:34] <nife> HELLO
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676 [07:08:41] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I'm trying to install debian, I made a bootable USB Stick but it only boots with grub. If I type 'boot' it tells me: error: you need to load kernel first!
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681 [07:10:08] <Kali_Yuga> I verified the .iso
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684 [07:13:55] <Kali_Yuga> Is there something wrong with the image. idk how to load a kernel within grub
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697 [07:27:32] <klys> kali_yuga, are you at the grub> prompt now?
698 [07:28:01] <Kali_Yuga> no I booted back to my OS
699 [07:29:20] <klys> you can get a bootable debian installer on usb disk media with the program here: replaced-url
700 [07:29:36] <klys> just put the .iso on your usb disk
701 [07:29:56] <klys> it will erase the usb disk's contents, so back that up if you need to.
702 [07:30:31] <Kali_Yuga> I did this already with sudo dd
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704 [07:31:06] <klys> what was your dd command's of= parameter?
705 [07:31:12] <Kali_Yuga> It's just it won't boot and drops me into a grub> prompt yes
706 [07:31:54] <Kali_Yuga> sudo dd bs=4M if=/home/username/Downloads/debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdc1 status=progress oflag=sync
707 [07:32:10] <klys> try with of=/dev/sdc instead.
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709 [07:33:13] <Kali_Yuga> well it changes everythime now it's under /dev/sdb1
710 [07:33:23] <klys> make sure with fdisk -l
711 [07:33:36] <klys> and then yeah you can use /dev/sdb if that's really it.
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713 [07:34:21] <klys> I get that too, sometimes /dev/sda is a ramdisk
714 [07:34:32] <Kali_Yuga> well yes it is already on the stick if not it wouldn't drop me into a grub prompt
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716 [07:34:54] <klys> well you need to overwrite the entire disk if you want to do it that way
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718 [07:35:04] <klys> not just the first partition
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721 [07:36:56] <Kali_Yuga> what do you mean I need to format entire disk? Can I not just start a usual live session? Or a graphical installer or something. why am I in grub?
722 [07:37:55] <klys> I mean the correct command is: sudo dd bs=4M if=/home/username/Downloads/debian-live-10.0.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdc status=progress oflag=sync
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725 [07:39:19] <Kali_Yuga> I already have the USB stick. I see all the files on there already
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727 [07:39:52] <klys> kali_yuga, it might be possible to guide you to a configfile if you have the grub> prompt handy
728 [07:40:05] <klys> grub> ls
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731 [07:42:12] <Kali_Yuga> ok
732 [07:42:37] <EmleyMoor> It's very possible you can see the files but if you've not overwritten the whole device then it's very likely the boot loader is in the wrong place
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735 [07:44:04] <Kali_Yuga> EmleyMoor: I have formatted the USB drive before putting debian on there. Do you mean a slow format in that case?
736 [07:44:26] <klys> kali_yuga, a format using the dd command with of=/dev/sdc
737 [07:45:14] <Kali_Yuga> I have only formatted it using the disk utility in fat32
738 [07:45:31] <klys> it will not be possible to use fat32 on such a disk.
739 [07:45:56] <klys> the filesystem will overwrite the partitino table of the usb disk.
740 [07:46:13] <klys> s/partitino/partition/
741 [07:46:43] <EmleyMoor> If you had a number at the end of your of parameter, you did it wrong
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743 [07:48:51] <Kali_Yuga> Okay I will reformat using "/dev/sdb" instead of "/dev/sdb1". Is it correct this way?
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745 [07:49:45] <EmleyMoor> Yes, that's the way. No number
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747 [07:50:26] <EmleyMoor> You want to write to the disk, not a partition of it
748 [07:50:51] <Kali_Yuga> EmleyMoor: Ah, now that makes sense now
749 [07:51:18] <alkisg> Kali_Yuga: normally, you wouldn't even see a grub prompt, you'd see a "not bootable disk"; which means that an older grub is booting, that was in the stick before the dd command
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751 [07:53:40] <Kali_Yuga> okay doing this now without the number. thx very much for the help guys
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761 [07:58:48] <Kali_Yuga> done, trying to boot this now...
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766 [08:04:04] <EmleyMoor> This was one point of confusion that never occurred with floppies, though people did the wrong thing trying to set those up too
767 [08:04:48] <Kali_Yuga> Ok it works now. Thanks very much again. I knew somehow it must have been user error since I verified the image. dumb me
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786 [08:18:33] <Jck_true> I just wanna say a quick thanks to whoever it was who helped me in here yesterday... I was stuck with a debian server that wouldn't bring up a network interface causing me to use a remote recovery terminal. But since I didn't have a license for post boot debugging I would only get ~60 seconds before having to relaunch the program... Jesus what a
787 [08:18:34] <Jck_true> clusterfuck that was...
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790 [08:23:52] <met> what system requires a license for post boot debugging?
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792 [08:24:41] <Jck_true> HP iLO on a MicroServer
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806 [08:34:22] <tagomago> Hey people! Thinking about upgrading to Buster (from Stretch). I'd like try Xfce instead of MATE but also to keep all my other programs and config... What should I do? Is there any script that does that? Thanks!!!
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810 [08:39:52] <diogenes_> tagomago, backup ~/.config
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814 [08:44:18] <tagomago> diogenes_ and then? I mean, how do I apply that config to a fresh install?
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816 [08:45:42] <diogenes_> tagomago, do you have a separate /home
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818 [08:46:02] <gorilla> I have upgraded my Debian from from Stretch to Buster. I'm experiencing an issue with --configure of fuse: installed fuse package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
819 [08:46:04] <tagomago> Yeah, I have my home at a separate partition. What I'd like to avoid is to reinstall everything manually, basically.
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821 [08:47:37] <diogenes_> tagomago, the thing is this, buster have newer libraries and newer software and older ones depend on older versions of the libraries so the majority won't work in the newer version so in the end some of then would require re-installation.
822 [08:48:42] <diogenes_> and i'd recommend a fresh install instead of upgrade but that's just my preferred way to avoid complications and headache.
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825 [08:49:58] <tagomago> diogenes_ Yeah, I understand. If only there was a script that checks that and reinstalls all programs for you, based on the apt cache or something... that would be great.
826 [08:50:50] <Haohmaru> make a backup and upgrade it to 10
827 [08:51:00] <Haohmaru> then install xfce and try it out
828 [08:51:22] <Haohmaru> or get a debian10 live iso with xfce onto a bootable usb flash stick
829 [08:52:13] <humpled> dpkg --get-selections gets your package list
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832 [08:52:22] <humpled> ooh
833 [08:52:28] <Haohmaru> busted!
834 [08:52:39] <humpled> dpkg --set-selections
835 [08:52:40] <dpkg> humpled: I wish you would RTFM.
836 [08:52:47] <humpled> stuff like that
837 [08:54:14] <humpled> as well as that i zip up all my dot files and all my /etc/ files in case i've made changes i need to redo
838 [08:54:55] <alkisg> tagomago: afaik you can just upgrade, then install xfce. If you find it better, at that point you can see how to uninstall mate.
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840 [08:56:46] <tagomago> Thanks humpled! So I got my package list... how do I apply that to a fresh install?
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843 [08:57:23] <tagomago> Oh, --set-selections?
844 [08:57:37] <humpled> yes and one other line which i forget
845 [08:57:51] <alkisg> Wouldn't that just install mate again? :)
846 [08:58:13] <tagomago> I'll check that on the Internetz! :-D thanks
847 [08:58:28] <humpled> yes it would alkisg
848 [08:58:48] <alkisg> I thought the point of clean install was for tagomago to avoid mate...
849 [08:58:49] <tagomago> aaargh
850 [08:59:02] <tagomago> Yeah.
851 [08:59:49] <tagomago> Would be great to filter DE related packages somehow.
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853 [09:00:14] <alkisg> The way I do this is: I move all dirs to /srv/old-install, except for home, then install, then if I remember that I need something from my old /etc, I find it in /srv/old-install
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855 [09:00:30] <alkisg> And I have a long line of `apt install my-packages`, with my packages :)
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858 [09:02:09] <tagomago> That line coming from dpkg get-selections?
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861 [09:02:43] <alkisg> Nope, from manually looking the installed packages once, so that I see which packages I actually want; I keep that list and don't really change it in newer installations
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866 [09:03:51] <humpled> there must be a way of showing all the dependencies of task-mate-desktop, if that was how you installed mate
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869 [09:04:34] <tagomago> I think I doomed to do just that, alkisg.
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872 [09:04:43] <humpled> can be easier to just glance through the list
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875 [09:05:30] <alkisg> tagomago: you may also do a "diff" between your current list, and the list obtained from the jessie mate cd, so that you examine fewer packages
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879 [09:05:54] <alkisg> It's a good idea to keep the list right after a clean install, to make the diff easier later on
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891 [09:09:15] <tagomago> 'Cause uninstalling MATE after installing Xfce sounds painful to me, in terms of messing up the DE menu, etc. I always feel scared of those things (because I do my job on this machine and I'm such a basic user).
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893 [09:10:32] <alkisg> tagomago: I'm not sure what you mean about the menu. The initial menu is decided by mate-panel code; if you adjusted it, it's stored in gsettings, which aren't removed on clean installations as they're in home
894 [09:11:19] <alkisg> I.e. if you put a shortcut to vlc on the panel, then clean-installed buster xfce, and then after 2 years you installed mate again, the shortcut to vlc would still be there, as it's in your /home/username/.config/dconf settings
895 [09:11:23] <tagomago> The menu where you select the DE (when there's more than one)
896 [09:11:39] <diogenes_> tagomago, if you took your time to do a fresh install since the time you entered here then by now you would have already had your new system all setup and running :)
897 [09:11:41] <alkisg> Ah you mean the login screen, the display manager?
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899 [09:12:07] <tagomago> diogenes_ :__D
900 [09:12:14] <alkisg> That's just a menu that displays the available DEs, nothing significant there...
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902 [09:13:05] <tagomago> So if I uninstall MATE, that menu goes away?
903 [09:13:11] <alkisg> Yes
904 [09:13:19] <alkisg> ls /usr/share/xsessions
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906 [09:13:31] <alkisg> The .desktop files there are the available DEs, and generate that menu
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908 [09:13:45] <tagomago> Oh, I suddenly lost my fear.
909 [09:13:52] <alkisg> :D
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911 [09:14:57] <diogenes_> a glass of whiskey would help to lose it completely :)
912 [09:15:11] <tagomago> :D
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915 [09:16:20] <tagomago> :D :D
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919 [09:17:34] <tagomago> Gee, I'll try to decide this weekend, thanks a lot to everyone!
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968 [09:55:18] <Jck_true> I installed docker and added my account to the docker group. But I still get denied permission... Finding a random selection of suggestions online but I would prefer to follow the offical installation documentation...
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971 [09:58:11] <Haohmaru> you added yourself to some group, note that changes might not apply yet
972 [09:58:36] <Haohmaru> at least according to my eggsperience
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976 [09:59:05] <Jck_true> I rebooted the entire server just to be sure. And I'm still in the group
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978 [09:59:23] <Haohmaru> k, then *shrug*
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1004 [10:08:04] <Jck_true> I'm fairly sure it shouldn't be owned by systemd-coredump ....
1005 [10:09:06] <_bouzu_> Jck_true, guess thats the issue. should be owned by root:docker. looks like some uid conflict. workaround may be adding your user to group systemd-coredump, relog and docker should be usable. maybe some hardcoded uids in docker install scripts. well whatever
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1008 [10:10:02] <Jck_true> sudo chown root:docker docker.sock That seems to fix it...
1009 [10:10:59] <Jck_true> No to fix samba and I'll my reinstall will finally be successful :)
1010 [10:11:02] <Jck_true> now*
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1012 [10:11:08] <_bouzu_> Jck_true, yeah but the socket gets recreated on boot. beware as this should only be a temp fix
1013 [10:13:32] <Jck_true> Uff... Oh well - I'll leave the sorrows for another time :)
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1025 [10:20:14] <samsa__> hi. im running debian buster. all of the sudden I am not able to start gpodder: "/usr/bin/gpodder:42: DeprecationWarning: Importing dbus.glib to use the GLib main loop with dbus-python is deprecated." any ideas?
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1031 [10:21:58] <Habbie> samsa__, that's a warning, it should not be preventing you from doing that
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1036 [10:24:14] <samsa__> Habbie, ok, but the program is not starting. here is the full "error message": replaced-url
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1038 [10:24:45] <Habbie> 1563438207.703105 [__main__] INFO: Activating existing instance via D-Bus.
1039 [10:24:47] <Habbie> it thinks it is already running
1040 [10:25:14] <samsa__> Habbie, ok, I will killall and see what happens...
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1043 [10:26:36] <samsa__> Habbie, You were right!!! Thank god. I have been messing around with this for half a hour! Thank you.
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1045 [10:26:55] <Habbie> yay
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1050 [10:31:22] <Bonux> Hey, is there someone to help?
1051 [10:31:52] <EmleyMoor> Bonux: Describe your problem fully and we might be able to
1052 [10:33:07] <Bonux> After reinstalling win10 grub booloader dissapeared from boot menu, i'm currently in debian live gnome (first option), my boot is ont /boot/efi and windows is bootable.
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1056 [10:34:23] <catbeard> having an issue getting logstash to listen on tcp/udp
1057 [10:34:34] <catbeard> debian 9.5
1058 [10:35:56] <catbeard> the service starts, but no port is then listening after i add logstash.conf per replaced-url
1059 [10:36:20] <EmleyMoor> Bonux: Sounds like you need to get into your Debian setup and reinstall grub... if there's no option to do that on anything you can boot from, you could always try a copy of Super Grub2 Disk to see if that can get you in
1060 [10:37:25] <EmleyMoor> catbeard, are you actually using Debian?
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1062 [10:37:34] <catbeard> yes
1063 [10:37:51] <catbeard> 9.9 stretch
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1065 [10:38:37] <EmleyMoor> OK, and what is not open that you think should be?
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1069 [10:39:08] <catbeard> EmleyMoor: replaced-url
1070 [10:39:11] <catbeard> that part
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1072 [10:40:33] <EmleyMoor> Are you saying that netstat output doesn't appear?
1073 [10:41:21] <catbeard> ya it doesn't have the port specified in logstash.conf listening after restarting the service
1074 [10:41:25] <EmleyMoor> Where did you install this from?
1075 [10:41:31] <catbeard> this guide
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1077 [10:41:53] <EmleyMoor> No, not "what instructions", where?
1078 [10:41:54] <catbeard> followed all the steps, and it worked up until now on the logstash listening port part
1079 [10:42:06] <catbeard> install what, debian, logstash?
1080 [10:42:15] <EmleyMoor> logstash
1081 [10:42:22] <EmleyMoor> (I note it's not in Debian)
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1083 [10:42:53] <Bonux> EmleyMoor: I'm in live usb currently, tried mounting drives, then chrooting into root partition, but there is no grub-install or update-grub command available. I was wondering for future is there a way to recover or reinstall boot from live usb?
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1086 [10:43:45] <EmleyMoor> Bonux, I've never used the live USB. I'm more familiar with the regular installer. Maybe someone else can find a way forward for you?
1087 [10:43:55] <catbeard> Get:1 replaced-url
1088 [10:44:24] <EmleyMoor> OK, so it's a third-party package. Where does it say it's suitable for stretch?
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1090 [10:45:00] <EmleyMoor> Actually I do see the instructions referring to Debian
1091 [10:45:09] <catbeard> i don't guess it does, there's actually a warning on install
1092 [10:45:11] <catbeard> Using provided startup.options file: /etc/logstash/startup.options
1093 [10:45:13] <catbeard> /usr/share/logstash/vendor/bundle/jruby/2.5.0/gems/pleaserun-0.0.30/lib/pleaserun/platform/base.rb:112: warning: constant ::Fixnum is deprecated
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1099 [10:46:37] <EmleyMoor> Are you familiar with posting to a pastebin? If so, please put your logstash.conf there, and the output of ps aureplaced-url
1100 [10:47:01] <Bonux> EmleyMoor: I will try the grub2 iso then.
1101 [10:47:02] <EmleyMoor> (if not, may I suggest you take a look at paste.debian.net?)
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1103 [10:47:26] <EmleyMoor> Bonux, By all means give it a try if no-one else makes a suggestion
1104 [10:47:40] <Bonux> ;)
1105 [10:47:43] <EmleyMoor> Last time I lost my grub that's how I fixed mine (but that was years ago!)
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1107 [10:48:16] <Bonux> Huh, i play with distros too often to last me years.
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1112 [10:50:56] <catbeard> EmleyMoor: replaced-url
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1117 [10:52:22] <catbeard> there it goes
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1124 [10:55:55] <EmleyMoor> Hmmm... nothing obvious. If I were you I'd email schkn about it... this is likely not related to Debian itself
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1145 [11:10:48] <bonux> Hey, i managed to repair my grub with boot-repair iso. I was one click. And now grub shows even old windows install.
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1150 [11:15:50] <humpled> weird that update-grub wasn't available in teh chroot
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1188 [11:37:07] <francesco_> Hi. What's a good open-source alternative to Skype, available in the debian repos?
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1193 [11:38:09] <Mathisen> francesco_, replaced-url
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1197 [11:41:43] <francesco_> Do you have any favourite, of your own Mathisen?
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1202 [11:42:19] <Mathisen> francesco_, signal, but i dont use video chat
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1205 [11:43:12] <Mathisen> it will come down to what features you want. most on that list are fine to use
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1214 [11:46:08] <francesco_> Thanks.
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1241 [12:07:30] <wuzamarine> after adding a subinterface, I can no long restart my networking services. replaced-url
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1246 [12:11:19] <ratrace> wuzamarine: that's the legacy method, perhaps you should use the iproute method: replaced-url
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1256 [12:19:20] <Ticho> oh wow, debian doesn't allow you to set labels for the IPs unless you use the manual method?
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1266 [12:27:35] <BCMM> Mathisen: signal doesn't do voice or video on desktop yet :(
1267 [12:28:31] <BCMM> its... very mobile-first
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1269 [12:29:11] <Mathisen> yep, and it works for me. i replaced telegram with signal for my needs
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1273 [12:30:55] <RiverLi> hey
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1278 [12:37:01] <wuzamarine> ratrace: same error using allow hot-plug replaced-url
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1291 [12:46:34] <Ticho> wuzamarine: the point was not allow-hotplug, but rather no longer using the :0 alias
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1294 [12:46:54] <Ticho> look again at the differences on that wiki page
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1303 [12:49:27] <wuzamarine> Ticho: Thank you!
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1343 [13:20:43] <bune> how to join debian next
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1347 [13:21:42] <themill> !#debian-next
1348 [13:21:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1350 [13:21:58] <bune> #debian-next
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1366 [13:29:00] <diogenes_> hehe i wonder who is the person in charge to make up the code names for the upcoming releases, they're quite funny: wheezy, stretch, buster and now bullseye :)
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1372 [13:30:48] <_bouzu_> "Releases of the Debian distribution have both traditional version numbers and codenames based on characters from the Pixar/Disney movie "Toy Story" (1995). Sid, as you may recall, was the evil neighbor kid who broke all the toys. Additionally, the codename for the Experimental repository, RC-Buggy, was Andy's toy car, and is a pun on 'Release Critical' and 'Remote Control.'" (from replaced-url
1373 [13:30:48] <_bouzu_> ses) :)
1374 [13:31:32] <didar> diogenes_: ^^^
1375 [13:32:00] <themill> (and then bookworm)
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1377 [13:32:08] <diogenes_> nice, thanks :)
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1380 [13:32:50] <diogenes_> so Sid is the evil one who breaks everything :))
1381 [13:33:03] <didar> yep
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1383 [13:33:12] <Haohmaru> am i the only one who doesn't find that funny? >:(
1384 [13:33:27] <themill> yes
1385 [13:33:31] <diogenes_> lol
1386 [13:33:33] <didar> second that
1387 [13:33:33] <Haohmaru> >8(
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1390 [13:36:13] <didar> I am planning to use Sid (in about 6 months) as a main GNU/Linux system.. currently I use Ubuntu LTS 16.04 as primary system, is it a good idea to go with SId?
1391 [13:36:14] <Haohmaru> well, it could've been worse, it could've been names of pokemons x_x
1392 [13:36:51] <didar> Also, these are VMs inside VirtualBox on Windows 10
1393 [13:37:00] <didar> Need it for some windows only software
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1395 [13:37:08] <didar> any thoughts?
1396 [13:37:27] <Haohmaru> replaced-url
1397 [13:37:48] <ralpheeee> last 3 days my laptop has shutdown without any warning...out of the blue....how can determine what was the root cause
1398 [13:38:19] <didar> Haohmaru, thanks for that, already read that
1399 [13:38:32] <didar> I am looking for informed experiences
1400 [13:38:39] <diogenes_> ralpheeee, did it restart back automatically or just shutdown?
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1402 [13:39:02] <Haohmaru> you need a computer psychologist then
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1404 [13:39:09] <ralpheeee> diogenes_: just shutdown...as if someone pulled plug/battery out
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1406 [13:39:22] <didar> Nice
1407 [13:39:29] <diogenes_> ralpheeee, what CPU?
1408 [13:39:32] <didar> this is like being back to the 90s chat rooms :))
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1410 [13:39:39] <_bouzu_> ralpheeee, maybe check /var/log/kern.log for hints?
1411 [13:39:45] <ralpheeee> its an x230
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1414 [13:40:16] <themill> didar: the general rule is that if you're asking, you probably shouldn't. There's no real need to run sid. It's designed mostly for automated testing as a gate against broken packages entering testing
1415 [13:40:37] <didar> so Stable + Backports then?
1416 [13:40:37] <TrentP> ralphee: I suppose with a laptop that could be either over-heating or a failing power supply.
1417 [13:40:49] <themill> didar: yes
1418 [13:41:12] <didar> ok
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1422 [13:42:09] <ralpheeee> i have battery as well as power supply plugged in....will go through the kernel log
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1424 [13:47:43] <ralpheeee> my debian kung fu skills sucks... replaced-url
1425 [13:48:15] <ralpheeee> cant really see anything which stands out from kern.log
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1432 [13:49:26] <_bouzu_> ralpheeee, do you know which time your machine crashed?
1433 [13:49:47] <ralpheeee> roughly about an hour ago
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1439 [13:54:16] <_bouzu_> ralpheeee, when there is nothing there it may be some power connectivity issue and it just went off.
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1441 [13:54:53] <_bouzu_> i mean at that given time in the kernel logs
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1447 [13:56:54] <HackphiL> hi there
1448 [13:57:00] <HackphiL> i to all
1449 [13:57:18] <kirk781> HackphiL, hello
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1456 [14:04:11] <HackphiL> hello kirk781
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1477 [14:27:16] <wwilliam> Hello
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1479 [14:27:26] <dvs> zzzzzzzzzz
1480 [14:28:00] <wwilliam> can anyone help with this trying to mount the nfs share i get that I am already using the insecure flag in /etc/exports
1481 [14:28:02] <wwilliam> mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting
1482 [14:28:08] <wwilliam> Thank you.
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1485 [14:28:41] <wwilliam> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)"
1486 [14:29:01] <greycat> the server has to allow your client access in /etc/exports, using whatever name the server THINKS your client is (at the time nfs services are started), and of course you must run exportfs -a after adding lines in /etc/exports
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1491 [14:29:14] <lukask_> hi folks. playing around with sparc64 ldoms and i'm wondering if there are any bootable filesystem images of debian/sparc64
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1493 [14:29:24] <wwilliam> I did that greycat
1494 [14:29:25] <lukask_> or the installer.
1495 [14:29:35] <greycat> Then you read the server logs and find out what the problem is.
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1497 [14:29:41] <wwilliam> yes
1498 [14:29:51] <jrtc27> lukask_: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/
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1500 [14:30:02] <jrtc27> (/current/sparc64)
1501 [14:30:13] <wwilliam> but the solution which is to add the insecure flat in /etc/exports is not working
1502 [14:30:15] <lukask_> oh, can they dd'd on a image?
1503 [14:30:21] <jrtc27> they're isos
1504 [14:30:32] <greycat> wwilliam: find the log message and paste it
1505 [14:30:34] <jrtc27> should be able to just provide them to an ldom as a cd drive
1506 [14:30:39] <wwilliam> ok
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1508 [14:30:52] <lukask_> @jrtc27 thank you! i hope that works
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1513 [14:32:24] <wwilliam> 2019-07-17T14:26:42.852231-04:00 PrismaDC rpc.mountd[10683]: refused mount request from 10.16.1.143 for /u/Prisma_U4 (/u/Prisma_U4): illegal port 64140
1514 [14:32:39] <greycat> Well, that's a new one to me.
1515 [14:32:59] <dvs> ???
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1518 [14:33:40] <jrtc27> lukask_: FYI, adding an ISO is the same as any other vdisk, just point it at the file
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1522 [14:34:03] <jrtc27> you don't need to (and can't) tell it to do anything different, they all look the same to the host and guest
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1524 [14:35:03] <lukask_> @jrtc27 i'm using openbsd on the host, not solaris. so maybe it won't work, but i'll test it asap.
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1528 [14:36:05] <jrtc27> lukask_: shouldn't matter, should just be relaying commands to the underlying firmware or whatever manages these things, I think
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1530 [14:37:39] <lukask_> @jrtc27 kk. downloading right now :)
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1532 [14:38:48] <wwilliam> greycat: fixed there was another entry in the logs:
1533 [14:38:58] <wwilliam> 2019-07-17T14:52:44.482850-04:00 PrismaDC rpc.mountd[14969]: refused mount request from 10.16.1.143 for /u/Prisma_U4 (/u/Prisma_U4): unmatched host
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1538 [14:39:24] <wwilliam> I added the subnet to /etc/exports did exportfs -a
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1540 [14:39:29] <wwilliam> and it mounted
1541 [14:39:35] <wwilliam> thank you for your time.
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1588 [15:04:49] <lukask_> @jrtc27 seems to work! thanks!
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1606 [15:15:56] <eblip> hey if i have a usb with an iso on it and i want to put a new debian netinstal on the usb stick, i will do it using dd
1607 [15:16:11] <eblip> but i believe that i dont have to format the usb to do this ..just dd the image to the usb
1608 [15:16:23] <Mathisen> eblip, that is correct
1609 [15:16:25] <Haohmaru> yes
1610 [15:16:26] <eblip> but what i want to know is what filesytem will it be placed on if i dont specify
1611 [15:16:27] <greycat> whatever was on the device previously will be overwritten
1612 [15:16:49] <Haohmaru> the image contains a partition table and partitions
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1614 [15:17:00] <eblip> i mean does dd also format the dvd to vfat or something
1615 [15:17:00] <Mathisen> eblip, the one that the image .iso .img whatever includes
1616 [15:17:01] <greycat> dd-ing or cp-ing the image to the device will create the disk label, the partition(s), the data inside the partition(s), all of it, everything
1617 [15:17:03] <Haohmaru> so it's all set already
1618 [15:17:04] <babilen> You can just "cp debian.image /dev/sdX; sync" and you're done
1619 [15:17:10] <eblip> ah ok
1620 [15:17:33] <babilen> (find cp to have nicer syntax for such an easy "copy all")
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1622 [15:17:44] <Mathisen> babilen, huh ? does cp really work
1623 [15:17:44] <greycat> eblip: you said usb first, and then you said dvd. they are VERY different things.
1624 [15:17:45] <eblip> dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdh1 bs=1MB
1625 [15:17:51] <greycat> eblip: NO
1626 [15:17:55] <greycat> NOT sdh1
1627 [15:18:01] <eblip> ah just sdh
1628 [15:18:08] <dvs> /dev/sdh
1629 [15:18:12] <eblip> thanks
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1631 [15:18:22] <greycat> Mathisen: yes, and it's what the release notes say to use.
1632 [15:18:22] <babilen> Just use cp .. no need to type all of that or specify a (most likely) suboptimal blocksize
1633 [15:18:53] <Mathisen> i need to remember this.. and this works for any image ?
1634 [15:19:13] <greycat> dd does the same thing as cp, except it defaults to a block size of 512 bytes, because History
1635 [15:19:20] <Mathisen> ahh ok
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1637 [15:19:38] <benizac> ok quoi ?
1638 [15:20:29] <petn-randall> hi benizac
1639 [15:21:08] <benizac> sorry, wrong channel ;-)
1640 [15:21:26] <benizac> but hi petn-randall
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1657 [15:31:09] <alkisg> dd has a nice status=progress though :)
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1659 [15:31:26] <greycat> yeah, it's basically cp with a bunch of extra knobs, bells and whistles
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1668 [15:36:21] * Haohmaru tweaks all teh knobs
1669 [15:37:19] <colo-work> hehe
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1677 [15:39:01] <mystictot> Hi, I'm trying to build my debian package from package source
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1679 [15:39:15] <mystictot> i did following steps
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1681 [15:39:53] <mystictot> replaced-url
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1687 [15:40:50] <mystictot> but after build is finished i didn;t see any package in /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ ?
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1690 [15:41:19] <mystictot> Did I miss something ?
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1711 [15:52:19] <smev81> I think I found a bug, that has not been reported, but I am not a long time debian user and might miss something. Bug is: Steam can not connect.
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1715 [15:53:25] <zodd> smev81, in which *Debian package* does this bug occure?
1716 [15:53:40] <Haohmaru> non-free steam ;P~
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1720 [15:53:43] <Toba> that is a very vague bug....
1721 [15:53:48] <Toba> Report it to Valve IMO
1722 [15:53:52] <zodd> yep
1723 [15:53:56] <Haohmaru> +1
1724 [15:54:13] <Toba> if Valve finds the problem lies with Debian they should report that to Debian
1725 [15:54:27] <Toba> with more detail than "can't connect"
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1727 [15:54:43] <Haohmaru> "it dun wurk"
1728 [15:55:02] <Toba> which is the most useless description of a bug I have ever heard... but, given modern software UI trends toward only showing the most useless error messages imaginable with no technical details, I wouldn't be surprised if its all the info you have
1729 [15:55:44] <Haohmaru> "we are prepairing some things..."
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1731 [15:55:49] <Toba> For instance the (closed) android Tumblr app says various cutesy messages like "weird connection" and "connection went bloop" when it can't connect
1732 [15:55:49] <Haohmaru> "oops"
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1735 [15:56:15] <Toba> you get it Haohmaru :)
1736 [15:56:35] <smev81> Steam - Error: "Could not connect to Steam network" "This could be due to a problem with your internet connection, or with the Steam network. Please visit replaced-url
1737 [15:56:36] <Haohmaru> yeah, i've seen crapdows10 x_x
1738 [15:56:41] <BCMM> smev81: debian developers don't have access to the source code of steam, so they probably *can't* fix your bug. however, how long have you had this problem/when did you last update?
1739 [15:57:17] <BCMM> smev81: some people reported that Steam had problems connecting after recent kernel changes to mitigate a DoS vuln in the kernel's networking stuff
1740 [15:57:18] <smev81> I installed debian 10 and did have the same response since the last 4 days.
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1743 [15:58:32] <Toba> BCMM: you mean the SACK patches?
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1746 [15:58:59] <BCMM> Toba: the timing approximately matched up, but i'm not sure if i ever saw any completely clear explanation of what was going on
1747 [15:59:14] <BCMM> replaced-url
1748 [15:59:37] <smev81> replaced-url
1749 [15:59:40] <smev81> You might be right
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1751 [16:00:33] <DevilTiger> i went to install php on my debian10 VM and wasn't paying attention and it removed my mongoDB install. how can i find out why? replaced-url
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1755 [16:02:45] <BCMM> smev81: thing is, it's working fine for me on sid, but some people are still saying they have problems. i don't know... try the -tcp thing maybe
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1758 [16:04:54] <BCMM> oh, i hadn't seen this one replaced-url
1759 [16:05:14] <jrtc27> mystictot: given debuild is the same as pdebuild --use-pdebuild-internal, the result should be in ../
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1763 [16:07:24] <TrentP> transmission-daemon in buster works better than the version in stretch, doesn't stall out
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1777 [16:12:11] <uRock> jmcnaught, The non-free ISO you pointing me to yesterday did the trick. Thanks!
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1803 [16:27:07] <pyfgcr> I installed unifont, but i cannot set it as my terminal (qterminal) font. Is it monospaced?
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1805 [16:27:29] <mystictot> jrtc27: but i get my_package.build instead of my_package.deb
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1809 [16:28:44] <pja> The steam thing was fixed in a recent kernel patch IIRC. I don’t know which one though & it’s possible that it hasn’t reached the Debian stable kernel yet.
1810 [16:29:23] <mystictot> jrtc27: how could i get *.build to *.deb package ?
1811 [16:29:31] <jrtc27> .build is the log
1812 [16:30:23] <pja> Here we go: Steam issue fix replaced-url
1813 [16:30:29] <mystictot> jrtc27: but i didn;t get any other thing than *.build
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1815 [16:31:44] <jrtc27> yeah reading the code it looks like `pbuilder --debuild` is just broken, there's nothing to copy the build results back
1816 [16:32:04] <jrtc27> use `pdebuild` itself instead
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1818 [16:33:10] <pja> Steam patch is in 4.19.55, current Debian stable kernel is 4.19.37. Hopefully in the next kernel release?
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1825 [16:35:00] <LickTheCheese> hi i installed i3wm
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1828 [16:35:35] <Haohmaru> :/
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1836 [16:40:21] <mystictot> jrtc27: I used this pdebuild --use-pdebuild-internal --architecture arm64
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1839 [16:40:41] <mystictot> but still i don't get any debian package after built
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1843 [16:41:51] <BCMM> it's very much not a supported option, but one potential workaround is using the liquorix kernel repo until debian releases a fixed version
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1845 [16:42:20] <BCMM> (for the steam thing, i mean)
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1848 [16:44:19] <Zesk> Hello, i have installed debian with preseed and with lvm configuration. lvm2 package is shown by dpkg -l but vgdisplay or any other relative command is not found. I don't understand...
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1850 [16:45:04] <greycat> try /sbin/vgdisplay or /usr/sbin/vgdisplay
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1852 [16:45:14] <jrtc27> mystictot: why are you passing --architecture arm64?
1853 [16:45:26] <jrtc27> is your machine not arm64
1854 [16:45:26] <jrtc27> ?
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1856 [16:45:46] <mystictot> because I'm cross building for my arm64 board
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1859 [16:46:10] <Zesk> greycat you'are right! but it usually in PATH bi itself...
1860 [16:46:12] <tgunr> I just tried using `journalctl --grep syncoid' and am getting
1861 [16:46:12] <tgunr> Compiled without pattern matching support
1862 [16:46:14] <tgunr> According to debian bug reports the pcre2 was enabled in buster. and thus available to journalctl.
1863 [16:46:14] <tgunr> Am I missing something?
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1865 [16:46:21] <greycat> Zesk: did you use "su"? If so...
1866 [16:46:22] <greycat> !buster su
1867 [16:46:23] <dpkg> The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See replaced-url
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1874 [16:47:19] <tgunr> !buster journalctl
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1876 [16:47:39] <Zesk> greycat this is exactly this! Incredible! ^^ thanks again
1877 [16:47:41] <jrtc27> mystictot: ok, pdebuild-internal is very limited, it doesn't support cross building
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1879 [16:48:23] <jrtc27> and --architecture is not how you cross build
1880 [16:48:32] <jrtc27> --architecture is how you say to use a different architecture chroot
1881 [16:49:15] <jrtc27> I think what happened is that you used an amd64 chroot to build amd64 packages, but pdebuild thought you wanted arm64 so it copied back the (empty) set of arm64 packages
1882 [16:49:32] <jrtc27> and you're not cross-building anyway, you're using a foreign emulated chroot if you did `pbuilder --create --architecture arm64`
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1886 [16:50:14] <jrtc27> I think what you need is `pdebuild --architecture arm64 -- --architecture arm64`
1887 [16:50:30] <jrtc27> I've been meaning to fix needing to specify it twice, but that's the way it is at the moment unless I'm forgetting something
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1889 [16:50:57] <jrtc27> (once to tell pdebuild what you're building, and once after -- in the pbuilder options to tell pbuilder the right thing too)
1890 [16:52:11] * themill would just use sbuild
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1892 [16:52:42] <mystictot> jrtc27: thanks for the clarification but, i run this pdebuild --architecture arm64 -- --architecture arm64 , it started to search package from debian repository and obviously fails because package is not yet merged, its in staging
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1895 [16:53:39] <mystictot> jrtc27: and I get this error no upstream tarball found at ..
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1898 [16:54:05] <jrtc27> um
1899 [16:54:12] <jrtc27> you're running this in the unpacked source directory?
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1902 [16:55:19] <mystictot> jrtc27: yes, this is the link to source replaced-url
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1919 [17:02:09] <diogenes_> Hello guys, what is this new live installer called? (looks like calamares but not sure)
1920 [17:02:51] <humpled> octopus?
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1923 [17:02:59] <greycat> calamari is squid...
1924 [17:03:06] <humpled> oh sorry
1925 [17:03:17] <annadane> calamares, yes
1926 [17:03:25] <greycat> diogenes_: I don't know what you're talking about. Like, at all. Is it something I missed on replaced-url
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1928 [17:04:22] <diogenes_> greycat, when you click the install on the live isos it's a new installer that i haven't seen before on debian.
1929 [17:04:26] <crimson_king> When i run `sudo touch test.txt /var/run` or `sudo touch test.txt /run`, the file doesn't appear to be there. It's gone. Touch command ends without any output. What am I missing here?
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1931 [17:04:35] <greycat> why would anyone click an installer on a live ...
1932 [17:04:48] <diogenes_> greycat, to install on HDD?
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1934 [17:05:13] <greycat> Debian's live image have a historical track record of being appallingly BAD if used to attempt an install.
1935 [17:05:55] <diogenes_> greycat, but not buster, it installed perfectly from live image.
1936 [17:05:56] <greycat> should be fun to learn what the particular problems with buster's are going to be...
1937 [17:06:06] <diogenes_> so is it calamares?
1938 [17:06:11] <greycat> !calamares
1939 [17:06:29] <greycat> !live
1940 [17:06:29] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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1942 [17:06:55] <diogenes_> ok let me boot a live system and make aa screenshot
1943 [17:07:00] <jrtc27> mystictot: please paste the full output from running pdebuild including the error
1944 [17:07:15] <greycat> It's not going to mean anything to.... never mind, whatever, have fun making screen shots.
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1946 [17:08:15] <humpled> "calamares is an independent installer project which offers a Qt based interface for installing a system"
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1952 [17:09:10] <EoflaOEViceCity> I have heard about Calamares, but why would it require SSE2?
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1955 [17:10:19] <greycat> If you want to ask technical questions about the details of the live images, #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org) would be the place to do so.
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1957 [17:13:16] <uRock> I can attest to having multiple installs via the live images without failure. Your mileage may vary.
1958 [17:13:33] <greycat> Well, that's good.
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1961 [17:15:55] * uRock feels blessed, lol.
1962 [17:16:53] <uRock> That's with Buster though. I can't speak to previous versions.
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1965 [17:17:34] <jrtc27> !live
1966 [17:17:34] <dpkg> methinks live is The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from replaced-url
1967 [17:17:50] <diogenes_> ok here it is: replaced-url
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1970 [17:18:05] <diogenes_> it says welcome to calamares but the command is: install-debian
1971 [17:18:06] <jrtc27> merged with `live stretch` and updated because buster
1972 [17:18:08] <annadane> i don't know why calamares (apparently?) *isn't* included in the regular debian installer
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1980 [17:20:22] <jrtc27> because debian-installer is the one that almost all the developers support and use
1981 [17:20:28] <annadane> i guess calamares is now the de facto debian live "installer" where it's actually intended to now be able to install from live images
1982 [17:21:04] <annadane> yeah fair enough, i'd just assumed they could slot it in an option somewhere
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1984 [17:21:16] <jrtc27> bloats the iso
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1986 [17:21:23] <annadane> but that'd also increase the size of the installer, which not everyone necessisarily has the space for
1987 [17:21:25] <annadane> yeah
1988 [17:21:25] <jrtc27> netinst needs to be small
1989 [17:21:25] <mystictot> jrtc27: this is the paste replaced-url
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1991 [17:21:34] <jrtc27> with live it's just a drop in the ocean
1992 [17:21:44] <annadane> necessarily* oh boy my typing
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1996 [17:22:53] <humpled> "It doesn't cover all the advanced features of debian-installer and it doesn't have an unattended install mode either"
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1998 [17:23:02] <jrtc27> mystictot: ok there are multiple issues here
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2000 [17:23:14] <jrtc27> you didn't get debs from anything before because the build failed
2001 [17:23:23] <jrtc27> the build failed because build deps weren't installable
2002 [17:23:27] <diogenes_> humpled, yes agree but it's one step closer to make debian have a newbie friendly face.
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2004 [17:23:58] <jrtc27> build deps weren't installable because:
2005 [17:23:58] <jrtc27> pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends: debhelper (>= 12) but it is not going to be installed
2006 [17:24:34] <jrtc27> which is because you made a *stretch* chroot and stretch only has debhelper 10.2.5; you need stretch-backports for 12.1.1~bpo9+1
2007 [17:24:53] <diogenes_> btw guys, before i start the research, is there any way to make a bootable iso snapshot+installer from your currently running system and excluding of course Documents Downloads and so on?
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2011 [17:25:20] <jrtc27> mystictot: do you want to build for stretch, buster or unstable?
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2013 [17:26:27] <humpled> there is or used to be a thing called refracta/refractasnapshots diogenes_
2014 [17:26:46] <mystictot> jrtc27: I would like proceed with buster.
2015 [17:26:46] <diogenes_> humpled, thanks, will look into that.
2016 [17:27:01] <jrtc27> mystictot: that makes things easier because buster has debhelper 12.1.1
2017 [17:27:15] <humpled> and before that remastersys, these things seem to come and go like multi-boot usb creators
2018 [17:27:23] <jrtc27> you should remove your /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz and do a `pbuilder create --distribution buster --architecture arm64`
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2023 [17:30:18] <diogenes_> jrtc27, that was for me or mystictot ?
2024 [17:30:28] <jrtc27> not you
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2026 [17:31:11] <mystictot> jrtc27: would it cause problems if directly run `pbuilder create --distribution buster --architecture arm64` without removing /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz
2027 [17:31:31] <jrtc27> it should give you an error that the file already exists
2028 [17:31:39] <jrtc27> I don't know if it does that before or after debootstrap runs
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2044 [17:41:28] <pyfgcr> sorry for bunping, but my question was probably lost in the discussion above:
2045 [17:41:40] <pyfgcr> I installed unifont, but i cannot set it as my terminal (qterminal) font. Is it monospaced?
2046 [17:42:24] <pyfgcr> I see a monospace section in /etc/fonts/conf.d/69-unifont.conf
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2048 [17:43:17] <pyfgcr> but it says <prefer> <family>FreeMono</family> </prefer>
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2091 [18:05:45] <expert975> Is GFDL with no invariant sections considered free by debian?
2092 [18:07:08] <jmcnaught> !gfdl
2093 [18:07:08] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at replaced-url
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2095 [18:07:43] <jmcnaught> expert975: ^ some GFDL stuff is in the non-free section
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2097 [18:08:24] <annadane> notably emacs-common-non-dfsg (the emacs manual)
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2099 [18:08:43] <expert975> jmcnaught: Didn't the vote in 2004 decide to consider GFDL with no invariant sections free?
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2101 [18:09:59] <expert975> I'm looking at make-doc and it's at non-free, even though it it has no invariant sections
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2103 [18:11:05] <jmcnaught> expert975: I'm not an expert on the subject I'm just aware of the factoid
2104 [18:11:52] <expert975> It seems to me that make-doc should be in main
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2121 [18:20:28] <expert975> Feels bad being tempted to add the non-free repository just to get a package that seems to have its place in main
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2123 [18:20:54] <dvs> expert975, what's wrong with non-free?
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2125 [18:21:16] <expert975> dvs: it contains non-free software
2126 [18:21:29] <dvs> oh... a purist. ;-)
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2132 [18:22:38] <BCMM> expert975: it's not like your free packages will get quietly updated with non-free replacements or anything
2133 [18:22:39] <jmcnaught> expert975: you could just download make-doc as a .deb and use dpkg to install it without adding the repository
2134 [18:22:50] <jmcnaught> expert975: replaced-url
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2140 [18:24:51] <BCMM> expert975: you'll just get the packages that you choose to install... and anyway, make-doc *doesn't* belong in free. it isn't DFSG-compliant.
2141 [18:25:20] <expert975> BCMM: why isn't it DFSG-compliant?
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2143 [18:25:59] <BCMM> expert975: because it's under the GFDL license
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2147 [18:26:42] <expert975> !gfdl
2148 [18:26:43] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at replaced-url
2149 [18:27:02] <expert975> GDFL has its problems, but by itself it not considered non-free
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2151 [18:27:36] <expert975> See the vote
2152 [18:28:16] <expert975> It states: "GFDL-licensed works without unmodifiable sections are free"
2153 [18:28:35] <BCMM> expert975: is the make documentation free of invariant sections?
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2155 [18:29:05] <BCMM> (i was going to mention the IS problem. packages in main are licensed in a way that *allows debian developers to fix them*. the GFDL does not always allow that)
2156 [18:29:18] <jhutchins_wk> expert975: So if you don't object to the license, either download the package and install it or enable non-free, install it, and maybe disable non-free.
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2159 [18:29:35] <expert975> Make's license states "with no Invariant Sections"
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2161 [18:30:15] <expert975> replaced-url
2162 [18:30:29] <BCMM> expert975: by the way, where are you getting the notion that it's considered free by debian, assuming no IS?
2163 [18:30:49] <BCMM> replaced-url
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2165 [18:31:18] <expert975> BCMM: See the winning proposition, it says exactly that
2166 [18:31:53] <BCMM> ah, i clearly don't understand the Condorcet method
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2171 [18:32:35] <expert975> BCMM: No need, it reveals the winner at the bottom of the page
2172 [18:33:08] <expert975> BCMM: search for "Outcome"
2173 [18:33:39] <BCMM> expert975: well, if that package is actually dfsg compliant, i guess somebody could file a bug about having it moved?
2174 [18:34:19] <expert975> BCMM: I suppose so, it really seems like some misunderstanding
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2177 [18:34:36] <expert975> BCMM: what's the procedure for a bug report in Debian?
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2181 [18:36:09] <expert975> BCMM: can I simply run reportbug and read on?
2182 [18:36:26] <BCMM> hmm, upstream really does seem to quite clearly state there are no invariant sections. i stand corrected.
2183 [18:36:27] <greycat> !bts
2184 [18:36:28] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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2212 [19:02:17] <expert975> It seems that the reason for having make-doc in non-free is that its license fixes a sentence as the back cover: "You have the freedom to copy and modify this GNU manual. Buying copies from the FSF supports it in developing GNU and promoting software freedom." and for front cover: "A GNU Manual,". Oh, well
2213 [19:02:23] <berndj> alkisg, thanks. i ended up going the ar xv & tar -xzf route on the cached .deb files. but damn, i'm sure i remember using some command to get at the scripts more conveniently
2214 [19:03:00] <wwilliam> is it ok to delete the contents of /var/cache?
2215 [19:03:27] <berndj> i was actually huntingdown what went wrong while updating some random packages, and during the "Setting up <package>" phase, i found some error about some connection timing out
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2217 [19:04:12] <greycat> wwilliam: in theory, things that use those contents are supposed to be able to function without them, or to regenerate the contents. But your question is extremely worrying.
2218 [19:04:40] <wwilliam> thank you.
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2241 [19:13:05] <petn-randall> fsvo "extremly worrying".
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2249 [19:17:51] <SerajewelKS> is there a way to alias fonts for my user? for example, many websites and electron applications want to use arial, but i'd prefer to use dejavu sans instead. is there a way to alias arial to "become" dejavu sans for my user only?
2250 [19:18:13] <SerajewelKS> i feel like something changed in this regard in buster
2251 [19:18:21] <greycat> sounds like a thing you'd use fontconfig to do
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2253 [19:18:44] <SerajewelKS> isn't that system-wide?
2254 [19:18:54] <greycat> not if you do it in your ~/.fontconfig/
2255 [19:19:01] <SerajewelKS> ah
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2261 [19:21:24] <SerajewelKS> looks like it's ~/.config/fontconfig
2262 [19:21:50] <greycat> I guess that explains why all the files in my ~/.fontconfig/ are dated 2012-2013
2263 [19:22:05] <greycat> nope, some as new as 2015
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2271 [19:23:24] <jhutchins_wk> I think at least KDE has a font config gui.
2272 [19:23:28] <greycat> Anyway, all sensible unix programs are configured at the user level. If something can *only* be done system-wide, it probably didn't come from a unix person.
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2275 [19:24:06] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Decent web sites will use generic definitions like "san-serif".
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2277 [19:24:47] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: yep. these don't. :(
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2280 [19:25:38] <SerajewelKS> thanks for that tip greycat, holy hell this is much better
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2392 [20:25:26] <maxm3232> hey
2393 [20:25:33] <maxm3232> can I ask questions related to postfix here?
2394 [20:25:35] <dvs> ho
2395 [20:26:22] <greycat> You can ask. Some people here use it and may know the basics. If it becomes too postfix-detailed we might recommend you ask #postfix instead.
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2405 [20:29:24] <maxm3232> I get the message "#postfix :Cannot send to nick/channel" when I try to send messages in #postfix
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2409 [20:29:47] <Habbie> that's not a postfix question
2410 [20:29:50] <Habbie> that's an irc question
2411 [20:30:01] <greycat> You're not registered with nickserv, which might be relevant.
2412 [20:30:08] <dvs> Habbie, I think maxm3232 was trying to ask the question in #postfix
2413 [20:30:14] <greycat> Lots of channels these days require registration because we've had a LOT of spammers.
2414 [20:30:23] <maxm3232> Ah okay, thanks.
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2416 [20:30:26] <Habbie> dvs, oh, right, like that
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2426 [20:39:55] <mrtaco> I just upgraded from Debian 9 stretch to Debian 9 buster and have noticed my right mouse click context menu--when clicking on the desktop has changed. I used to have 'open terminal here' and it's no longer there. anyone know how to restore it? running debian 10 buster xfdesktop 4.12.4 and thunar 1.6.11. when I was running stretch the right click h
2427 [20:39:56] <mrtaco> ad the open terminal right click on desktop. that was running xfdesktop 4.12.3 and thunar 1.6.11. The right click is there within thunar window, but not when you right click on desktop. anyone know?
2428 [20:40:16] <mrtaco> er..deb 10 buster ^^
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2499 [21:20:36] <kreyren> what is the debian way to solve this issue replaced-url
2500 [21:20:48] <kreyren> expecting to get replaced-url
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2506 [21:23:52] <kreyren> fixed: zlib1g-dev is required
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2515 [21:25:56] <peterfarge> I have a Kingston DataTraveler 3.0 with 32GB printed on it (3 years old). But fdisk says it only has 31.004.295.168 bytes or 29GiB. Is it the normal loss due to memory wear?
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2519 [21:28:46] <humpled> believe it or not, it's due to the difference between gigabytes and gigibytes
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2522 [21:29:42] <noln> Memory does not "shrink". Worst case, it gives IO error when reading or writing.
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2528 [21:31:45] <lsjet> Many years ago, storage manufacturers realized they could print bigger numbers on product boxes if they used powers of 10 instead of powers of two. Thus, GB came to mean 100^3 instead of 1024^3 bytes
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2530 [21:32:09] <lsjet> 1000^3 bytes, not 100^3. typo
2531 [21:32:25] <greycat> Yeah, we all got that part, but why does it report 31 004 295 168 instead of 32 000 000 123 or whatever, I think is the question.
2532 [21:32:28] <alkisg> I think the beginning was "kilo is already standarized and means 1000, not 2^10"
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2534 [21:32:40] <peterfarge> humpled: I know this. But 32GB should be 32.000.000.000 and not 31.004.295.168.
2535 [21:32:51] <lsjet> With computers, kilo always meant 1024 until the late nineties
2536 [21:33:00] <alkisg> Yes, that was a violation
2537 [21:33:01] <greycat> lsjet: we're the choir. stop preaching.
2538 [21:33:08] <lsjet> It was retroactively defined to mean 1000 to match the usage elsewhere
2539 [21:33:13] <alkisg> kilo is a greek word that means a thousand :)
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2541 [21:33:38] <lsjet> words mean what they are used to mean...they have no independent truth
2542 [21:33:44] <greycat> peterfarge: sorry, if I knew the answer, I would have given it, if only to stop the irrelevant complete MISS that's going on
2543 [21:33:51] <EmleyMoor> Kibi is floating around for 1024
2544 [21:33:55] <alkisg> Yup, it meant 1000 since around 20000 bc... :)
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2548 [21:34:17] <lsjet> Yes, until computers were invented
2549 [21:34:29] <lsjet> then, when talking about computer, it means 1024
2550 [21:34:31] <alkisg> Yup, so only just a few years of violation, fortunately it was fixed
2551 [21:34:56] <lsjet> kilo-1024. always will
2552 [21:35:22] <alkisg> That misunderstanding was fixed with kibi
2553 [21:35:39] <alkisg> No point in insisting, it's already standarized now
2554 [21:35:46] <lsjet> it was a marketing hack
2555 [21:35:57] <alkisg> I think the marketing was the result
2556 [21:36:00] <greycat> "Why does my car have 5 tires?" "Here's a history of numbers...."
2557 [21:36:00] <alkisg> Not the reason
2558 [21:36:03] <whislock> kilo = 1000 per SI. kibi = 1024 per IEC.
2559 [21:36:05] <whislock> Let's move on.
2560 [21:36:11] <lsjet> decades of programmers used kilo=1024. They are not wrong
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2563 [21:36:35] <alkisg> They were, and that was corrected later on
2564 [21:36:39] <whislock> And this abiguity was resolved 21 years ago.
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2566 [21:37:00] <lsjet> lol keep believeing that
2567 [21:37:06] <alkisg> Also, for thousands of years the earth was flat; that was corrected as well
2568 [21:37:17] <humpled> the ambiguity always exists, you never know where it's applied and you never get what it says on the box
2569 [21:37:20] <whislock> IEC 60027-2. Go forth, read, and educate yourself.
2570 [21:37:28] <whislock> humpled: You get EXACTLY what it says on the box.
2571 [21:37:43] <whislock> GB != GiB.
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2574 [21:38:05] <Ede|Popede> peterfarge: i got the impression that the bigger they get the less they have the printed capacity. used to be clearly more for my old, small ones, and is clearly less for my 32GB ones
2575 [21:38:08] <greycat> OK, now you've all stated stuff that everyone here already knew and wasted 10 minutes... can you please re-read his actual question now?
2576 [21:38:18] <lsjet> Yeah - GB = 1024^3. GiB - used by people who don't know better and by marketing departments
2577 [21:38:23] <greycat> *sigh*
2578 [21:38:27] <alkisg> Eh, but now more people participate in the chat :P
2579 [21:38:33] <alkisg> OK OK /me shuts up :D
2580 [21:38:40] * kreyren facepalms
2581 [21:38:43] <Habbie> my '1TB' SSD is 953.87 GiB
2582 [21:38:45] <whislock> lsjet: GB = 1000^3. GiB - literally a fscking standard.
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2584 [21:38:56] <peterfarge> greycat: Thanks. In the USB device is a controller that cuts of the broken cells. The memory shrink could be this, but a whole GB is lost. I only use it to transfer data from one computer to another.
2585 [21:39:13] <n00buser> hey guys, just did apt upgrade and my laptop doesn't start anymore. looks like initrd is missing grep, because it's where dmraid-activate script fails. how to fix?
2586 [21:39:13] <lsjet> Lots of things are standards, like MS Office documents. It means fucking nothing
2587 [21:39:27] <lsjet> except someone paid some money to a standards body
2588 [21:39:28] <noln> in what century did people mean 1024 by "kilometer"
2589 [21:39:40] <Habbie> peterfarge, i don't think such devices show themselves as smaller over time due to wear or loss
2590 [21:40:02] <jmcnaught> peterfarge: ##hardware might be a good place to task
2591 [21:40:06] <kreyren> Habbie, afaik disks have reserved filesystem that is protected by onboard logic for the usecase of windows bootloader
2592 [21:40:06] <jmcnaught> err ask
2593 [21:40:09] <alkisg> peterfarge: I've seen 16 GB USB sticks have from 15000000 to 17000000; I think they just don't care a lot about precision
2594 [21:40:23] <peterfarge> Habbie: At your devices its the same? I whole GB is lost after some years?
2595 [21:40:26] <Habbie> kreyren, that i don't know
2596 [21:40:31] <kreyren> Habbie, -> thats why your SSD has 900 something GB
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2598 [21:40:32] <Habbie> peterfarge, no, i'm saying that does -not- happen
2599 [21:40:36] <Habbie> peterfarge, device sizes don't change
2600 [21:40:56] <alkisg> peterfarge: this does NOT depend on the years; it just varies based on the manufacturer etc
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2602 [21:41:06] <n00buser> so apt update literally broke my installation
2603 [21:41:07] <kreyren> Habbie, thats what i was told and what i understand is a thing based on personal experience let me know if you find other explanation
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2605 [21:41:25] <Habbie> kreyren, no, my SSD has 953.87 GiB because 1000 and 1024 have been mixed up in the process of designing it
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2607 [21:41:33] <kreyren> Habbie, doubt
2608 [21:41:37] <peterfarge> ok
2609 [21:41:38] <Ede|Popede> alkisg: or they lose during the production process if it has to be cheap. only i have nothing to compare, i don't go for platinum level with hardware.
2610 [21:41:38] <greycat> "apt update" doesn't actually do anything except change the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/
2611 [21:41:50] <Habbie> kreyren, do you have a source for your claim?
2612 [21:42:13] <jmcnaught> n00buser: were you upgrading from stretch to buster what does dm-raid say when it fails?
2613 [21:42:16] <kreyren> Habbie, annoying IT teacher with gentoo user attitude xD *quick searching*
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2616 [21:42:50] <mrtaco> anyone here running debian 10 with xcfe? its missing right click context menu when you click on the desktop. within thunar its fine. anyone else having this issue?
2617 [21:43:12] <n00buser> jmcnaught, /sbin/dmraid-activate: 226: grep: not found
2618 [21:43:32] <mrtaco> debian 9 it was there. and cant figure out how if possible to bring it back.
2619 [21:43:33] <jmcnaught> n00buser: did apt tell you that it was removing packages?
2620 [21:44:00] <n00buser> jmcnaught, i don't think so
2621 [21:44:56] <alkisg> n00buser: if you type "grep" in a terminal, it says "not found" ?
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2624 [21:45:25] <n00buser> alkisg, yes, it's missing in initrd
2625 [21:45:37] <alkisg> That's strange, it should be provided by busybox
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2627 [21:46:10] <n00buser> it also kept my old kernel
2628 [21:46:27] <n00buser> so i'm not sure what was updated
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2631 [21:48:05] <alkisg> n00buser: do you have busybox installed?
2632 [21:48:48] <n00buser> alkisg, i don't think so. how to check?
2633 [21:49:09] <alkisg> dpkg -l buxybox
2634 [21:49:09] <dpkg> No packages found matching buxybox
2635 [21:49:10] <jmcnaught> n00buser: does it drop you into a shell in the initrd? You might need to boot from a live disk, assemble your RAID, do bind mounts for /dev /proc /sys, chroot, and then 'update-initramfs -u' to fix it
2636 [21:49:12] <alkisg> busybox
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2638 [21:49:26] <greycat> I can confirm that usr/bin/grep is in the initrd.img* files on my system.
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2640 [21:49:42] <alkisg> Yes, it should be a sym/hardlink to busybox
2641 [21:49:44] <greycat> well, usr/bin/grep in the 4.19 one, bin/grep in the 4.9 one
2642 [21:49:58] <kreyren> Habbie, mb you are correct it's convension from wrong metrics that manufacturers likes to use, thanks for sanity check.. so far everything i was told by that teacher was wrong xD
2643 [21:50:12] <azeem> so a usrmerge issue?
2644 [21:50:28] <greycat> azeem: he seems to be saying he doesn't have EITHER
2645 [21:50:44] <alkisg> n00buser: do you get a busybox shell when the initramfs fails?
2646 [21:50:49] <greycat> although it's really damned hard to tell what he's saying because there keeps not being any details
2647 [21:51:00] <noln> and what's the version number printed above the shell prompt?
2648 [21:51:16] <jhutchins_wk> grep is provided by grep.
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2650 [21:51:23] <alkisg> In the initramfs?
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2652 [21:52:16] <n00buser> ok, looks like busybox is broken. during 'update-initramfs -u' i got /bin/busybox: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.25-system.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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2658 [21:53:19] <jmcnaught> n00buser: I don't think you can repair the initrd from within the initrd. Does GRUB have an older kernel it can boot from?
2659 [21:53:55] <alkisg> n00buser: update-initramfs -u might be trying to generate the host kernel,not the chroot kernel
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2661 [21:54:08] <alkisg> You might need -k for the chroot kernel; are you booted with a live cd currently?
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2664 [21:55:13] <n00buser> jmcnaught, i'm already in recovery mode and chrooted into my system
2665 [21:55:22] <jim> hi, trying to help someone who's using a buster netinstall (or will when he downloads it)... looking at the buster release notes, I found the upgrade steps, but not the netinstall steps... where are those?
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2668 [21:55:42] <greycat> so you're saying that in your NORMAL system, you can't run /bin/busybox?
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2670 [21:56:17] * alkisg notes that he has no libbfd installed in his buster box, and yet busybox runs fine
2671 [21:56:17] <n00buser> greycat, yes, in chrooted system i can't generate initrd
2672 [21:56:43] <n00buser> probably binutils are broken
2673 [21:56:46] <mrtaco> jim: the installion should guide you on choosing a mirror and it will download and install the packages.
2674 [21:57:11] <n00buser> how in recovery mode add nameservers?
2675 [21:57:13] <mrtaco> jim: its just a bare bones distro to boot and then download whats needed vs on the media/iso
2676 [21:57:15] <alkisg> n00buser: try just running `busybox` without update-initramfs, does it run?
2677 [21:57:18] <greycat> He mentioned libbfd-2.25 which does not seem to be either stretch *or* buster based on my own sytems here.
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2682 [21:57:57] <n00buser> alkisg, same error about libbfd-2.25-system.so
2683 [21:58:05] <Habbie> ,v libbfd
2684 [21:58:07] <judd> No package named 'libbfd' was found in amd64.
2685 [21:58:13] <alkisg> n00buser: which distro/version is this?
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2687 [21:58:40] <n00buser> debian 10 buster
2688 [21:58:57] <greycat> libbinutils:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libbfd-2.31.1-system.so
2689 [21:58:57] <Habbie> ,v libbinutils
2690 [21:58:58] <judd> Package: libbinutils on amd64 -- bullseye: 2.31.1-16; buster: 2.31.1-16; sid: 2.32.51.20190707-1
2691 [21:59:02] <jim> mrtaco, yes, I'm aware :) I just need an install guide (rignt now not an upgrade guide)
2692 [21:59:52] <jmcnaught> jim: replaced-url
2693 [22:00:20] <greycat> n00buser: is it possible your busybox is *not* from Debian?
2694 [22:00:49] <greycat> in any event, it sounds like reinstalling busybox would be the absolute minimal starting point
2695 [22:00:53] <n00buser> guys, plz tell me how to add nameservers in recovery mode? it won't allow me to edit /etc/resolv.conf
2696 [22:01:05] <jim> jmcnaught, perfect :) thanks
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2698 [22:01:18] <n00buser> greycat, maybe it is from previous version?
2699 [22:01:35] <greycat> the stretch system I checked has /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libbfd-2.28-system.so
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2701 [22:01:36] <alkisg> n00buser: binutils 2.25 could be from jessie...
2702 [22:01:45] <mrtaco> anyone here using xcfe in debian 10? debian 9 had open terminal here if you clicked on desktop but not anymore.
2703 [22:01:46] <n00buser> ahhhhh
2704 [22:01:47] <alkisg> Was it upgraded from jessie too?
2705 [22:01:48] <greycat> you are making it incredibly difficult to figure out what you are *actually* running
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2707 [22:02:02] <n00buser> alkisg, yes, i think so
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2711 [22:02:47] <n00buser> greycat, i'm not sure myself. lsb_release -a shows debian 10 buster
2712 [22:02:56] <greycat> the jessie system I just checked has no libbfd except a backup copy from before it was even jessie, or from another system, or something, I dunno
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2714 [22:03:33] <alkisg> replaced-url
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2717 [22:04:01] <alkisg> The weird things is why is it searching for that if it's not even there
2718 [22:04:01] <greycat> Interesting. Maybe jessie only had a non-shared library version of it?
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2722 [22:04:43] <alkisg> n00buser: do you see anything in this command? dpkg -l '*binutil*'
2723 [22:05:05] <noln> it's in jessie's binutils, according to replaced-url
2724 [22:05:35] <n00buser> alkisg, binutils 2.28-5 amd64
2725 [22:05:51] <greycat> noln: hmm, well, the jessie system I checked doesn't have binutils installed, so there's that.
2726 [22:06:07] <alkisg> Hrmm, if you try to purge it, does it remove just that, or a lot of stuff?
2727 [22:06:16] <alkisg> (don't actually purge it if it removes a lot)
2728 [22:06:18] <greycat> 2.28 is a stretch version, ok, fine, but why is your busybox looking for 2.25?
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2730 [22:06:43] <alkisg> Maybe two broken updates, once from jessie and one from stretch :D
2731 [22:07:06] <greycat> could be
2732 [22:07:26] <alkisg> apt purge --auto-remove binutils ==> press no if it removes a lot
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2736 [22:07:47] <n00buser> purge removes a lot including kernel headers, drivers etc
2737 [22:08:37] <alkisg> ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ==> shows you if it's a symlink
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2740 [22:08:57] <alkisg> If it's a symlink to a non existing dir (e.g. /run/systemd), create it to be able to temporarily edit it
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2742 [22:09:05] <greycat> or remove the symlink
2743 [22:09:12] <noln> why is your busybox looking for binutils? jessie's package does not depend on it, and `ldd /bin/busybox` on Stretch does not, in fact, list libbfd-*
2744 [22:09:32] <greycat> noln: I was wondering that as well. It really feels like an alien busybox.
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2746 [22:09:49] <alkisg> dpkg -l busybox
2747 [22:09:49] <dpkg> No packages found matching busybox
2748 [22:09:59] <alkisg> n00buser: what's the result of that, dpkg -l busybox
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2752 [22:10:45] <n00buser> alkisg, symlink points to non-existent file
2753 [22:10:51] <greycat> remove it
2754 [22:11:18] <greycat> if network-freaking-manager wants to recreate that next time you boot for realsies, it can
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2756 [22:11:42] <alkisg> I think nothing will recreate the symlink, he'll need to do it himself if he ever changes networks
2757 [22:12:32] <greycat> we should be so lucky
2758 [22:13:38] <greycat> near as I can tell, the entire default Debian infrastructure is built to make it impossible to edit your own resolv.conf file like a normal unix sys admin, without jumping through hoops, and if you install a Desktop Environment, those hoops are not only on fire, but they SHRINK
2759 [22:13:44] <n00buser> ok, just did: apt install libbfd*
2760 [22:14:17] <n00buser> same error
2761 [22:14:20] <n00buser> :(
2762 [22:14:24] <alkisg> (11:09:59 PM) alkisg: n00buser: what's the result of that, dpkg -l busybox
2763 [22:14:52] <greycat> he's too busy typing random things that can't possibly work
2764 [22:15:07] <n00buser> ii busybox 1:1.22.0-19+b3 amd64
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2766 [22:15:22] <alkisg> ...wth is that...
2767 [22:15:28] <greycat> ,v busybox
2768 [22:15:29] <judd> Package: busybox on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.22.0-9+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:1.22.0-9+deb8u4; stretch: 1:1.22.0-19+b3; bullseye: 1:1.30.1-4; buster: 1:1.30.1-4; sid: 1:1.30.1-4
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2770 [22:15:31] <greycat> stretch version
2771 [22:16:12] <alkisg> n00buser: I think your upgrade was cut in the middle and you need to finish it
2772 [22:16:17] <greycat> so at the very least it's some sort of stretch/buster hybrid, possibly even more mismatched pieces
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2774 [22:17:16] <n00buser> ok, i updated busybox and was able to generate image
2775 [22:17:23] <n00buser> let's see now
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2779 [22:17:51] <Kali_Yuga> Hello, I installed debian and it said installation finished. after reboot I got the Message: Error 1962: No Operating system found. Press any key to repeat boot sequence. I also noticed that the Debian Installer did not ask for the grub partition before telling me that the installation was finished
2780 [22:18:13] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: Did you install Kali?
2781 [22:18:21] <Kali_Yuga> No Debian
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2783 [22:18:44] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: Ah, ok. How did you prepare the installation image?
2784 [22:18:54] <Kali_Yuga> On a stick
2785 [22:19:03] <petn-randall> Sure, but how exactly?
2786 [22:19:07] <n00buser> alkisg, greycat, jmcnaught: thanks a lot guys, problem solved (for now)
2787 [22:19:14] <Kali_Yuga> with the sudo dd command
2788 [22:19:37] <petn-randall> Can you paste the exact commmand you used?
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2790 [22:19:49] <Kali_Yuga> The live enviroment also looked fine and I verified the iso file prior to installing
2791 [22:19:57] <alkisg> yw
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2793 [22:20:40] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: I used the wrong one yesterday and I got help here. They've also helped me setting it up using the right command
2794 [22:20:59] <n00buser> one more thing. i have a laptop with intel sata raid and i'm using dmraid, as suggested here: replaced-url
2795 [22:21:42] <n00buser> and there is a problem when i install mdadm and reboot
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2799 [22:22:05] <n00buser> system is not able to work with both dmraid and mdadm
2800 [22:22:06] <Kali_Yuga> sudo Can I fix grub or do I need to make a new image and start over?
2801 [22:22:15] <Kali_Yuga> Can I fix grub or do I need to make a new image and start over?
2802 [22:22:16] <n00buser> *to boot
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2804 [22:22:33] <n00buser> so when i remove mdadm i boots as expected
2805 [22:22:57] <n00buser> where can i report that bug?
2806 [22:23:08] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: While sudo helps with many requests, it won't work in here ;)
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2809 [22:23:23] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: You should be able to restore, given that it set up things right.
2810 [22:23:34] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: I'm thinking that maybe UEFI/legacy BIOS might be the issue here.
2811 [22:23:55] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: Do you have a current EFI that can fall back to legacy BIOS? Do you have another OS installed?
2812 [22:24:34] <Kali_Yuga> No I don't have another OS installed, I can fall back to legacy
2813 [22:25:02] <Kali_Yuga> will do
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2815 [22:26:00] <tgunr> Could use some advice... I have my Debian10 boot disk on a drive with 4 partition BIOS boot, EFI, ZFS bpool, & ZFS cpool. I wish to maintain a duplicate backup so I recreated the partition map `sfdisk -d /dev/sdi|sfdisk /dev/sdl' and now have the duplicate partition table e.g. UUID are same on both. Should I randomize the UUID on the backup drive?
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2817 [22:27:21] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: Well it did something but now I am getting The Intel (R) Boot Agent :/
2818 [22:27:24] <Habbie> tgunr, i'm no expert but duplicate UUIDs sound bad to me
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2820 [22:28:10] <tgunr> that’s my thought but as I have not done this before was wondering....
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2822 [22:28:19] <noln> tgunr, the PARTUUID can be used in fstab if I recall correctly, so I'd say change them for random apps assuming they are different
2823 [22:28:56] <tgunr> Dont use fstab in a ZFS system except for legacy mountpoints
2824 [22:29:09] <sasdsad> i am having some fun today installing debian netinstall, ive got a running terminal, but it wont detect my usb dongle, cant make a manual install because i have no make installed, trying to tether my phone wifi and i get as far as ifup the device and it just sits on listening and never connects -_-
2825 [22:29:14] <ryouma> tgunr: create the fses then use those uuid
2826 [22:29:20] <sasdsad> usb wifi dongle
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2829 [22:29:59] <noln> tgunr, my point is a counterexample suffices to prove that userspace assumes they are different
2830 [22:30:13] <tgunr> ok, i think the zfs import will be doing that on the 2 pool partitions, I probably will need to randomize the BIOS and EFI parts
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2833 [22:30:44] <ryouma> uuid is fs uuid or luks id. if you ahve gpt then partuuid could work. idk when wwn is used.
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2835 [22:30:56] <tgunr> cc
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2838 [22:31:31] <ryouma> but beware possible bugs in booting where initramfs forgets about the symlinks etc.
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2840 [22:31:54] <tgunr> sasdsad: don't you need a PXE server to do netinstall?
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2844 [22:32:57] <joepublic> sasdsad, many usb wifi dongles require nonfree firmware. h-node.org is a resource to find ones that don't.
2845 [22:33:03] <tgunr> as i recall once the device issues a DHCP discover the dhcp server tell the client where to go listen
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2848 [22:33:53] <noln> a netinstall downloads the packages from the mirror during the installation procedure, does not involve pxe
2849 [22:34:28] <sasdsad> just did a minimal no network install, figuring i would manually connect after and update -_- regret
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2853 [22:35:05] <sasdsad> seeing if i can go back and rescue mode install extra packages, as the boot usb has better internet support
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2857 [22:36:23] <Kali_Yuga> but still getting the same error...
2858 [22:36:37] <karlpinc> sasdsad: I seem to recall that the non-netinstall sets up /etc/apt/sources.list so that it continues to get packages from a dvd (or whatever the original install media is). It may be that you just need to update your sources.list to get packages from the net. (Of course, if the network does not work...)
2859 [22:37:05] <karlpinc> !firmware images
2860 [22:37:05] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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2864 [22:37:31] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: Then disable any kind of legacy boot (including "CSM mode" IIRC), and reinstall.
2865 [22:37:33] <karlpinc> anaemic: It can be very useful to use the above unofficial installer, so your hardware has the firmware it needs to operate.
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2867 [22:37:58] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: It might be possible that the installer booted in legacy mode, but your firmware is trying to boot the system in EFI mode.
2868 [22:38:20] <roylaprattep> syslogin_perform_logout: logout() returned an error
2869 [22:38:21] <roylaprattep> i have this error from sshd
2870 [22:38:36] <roylaprattep> sorry, ive been disconnected, dunno if you received my messages
2871 [22:38:57] <anaemic> hmm, recovery mode has clarified im missing rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
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2879 [22:42:50] <noln> rtl8168e-3.fw is in package firmware-realtek
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2889 [22:47:19] <jhutchins_wk> anaemic: ... which is in non-free
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2891 [22:48:36] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: still cannot boot, I'm using the live enviroment to try to reinstall grub somehow
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2894 [22:49:29] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
2895 [22:49:29] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
2896 [22:49:56] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: You can't boot the installer in EFI mode?
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2898 [22:50:41] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: No, the installer seems fine and boots into efi
2899 [22:50:43] <jhutchins_wk> I think that's what the Intel boot agent message is.
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2901 [22:51:10] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Nvmind, I mis-parsed your question.
2902 [22:51:46] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: And you reinstalled from there?
2903 [22:51:59] <Kali_Yuga> Just after the installation it does not boot
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2906 [22:52:48] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: I did not manage to reinstall anything yet :/ I also encrypted the hdd which makes everything a little more complicated also
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2909 [22:53:33] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: As I said, it's easiest to just reinstall now, as it's likely related to the issue I mentioned.
2910 [22:53:52] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: You *could* fix it by hand, but that will likely take 3x as long as reinstalling.
2911 [22:53:58] <petn-randall> (and is error-prone)
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2915 [22:54:40] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. I would like to submit a bug that applies to 2 packages that are not playing nice with each other. Is it possible to send a bug report to two package groups?
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2917 [22:55:36] <Kali_Yuga> petn-randall: ok I understand. I just wonder why the installer skipped through the grub installation step and told me to restart :(
2918 [22:55:39] <petn-randall> Lady_Aleena: It's probably more sane to file one bug, and CC the other maintainer. Otherwise you'll have two bug reports.
2919 [22:55:50] <petn-randall> Kali_Yuga: No idea, that usually doesn't happen.
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2921 [22:56:10] <Abdullah> I think installer is changed?
2922 [22:56:14] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: pick the one that seems to be the more wrong, and file it on that package. If the maintainers disagree they can reassign it.
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2924 [22:56:56] <Kali_Yuga> Can I skip Erase Data on HDD when setting up encrypted LVM. Or do I have to wait? I've already done it and takes quite a while
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2926 [22:57:18] <Kali_Yuga> It gives me the Option to cancel
2927 [22:57:41] <jmcnaught> Kali_Yuga: you can hit cancel to skip that
2928 [22:57:57] <Kali_Yuga> jmcnaught: ok thx thats what I thought
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2931 [22:58:37] <Abdullah> Kali_Yuga: you can skip it.
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2933 [22:59:12] <Abdullah> but I think you shouldn't skip it. for me on SSD it didn't take more than 10 minutes 256G
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2939 [22:59:54] <petn-randall> You can skip it since the current data on it is already encrypted, and the key gets erased, making it random data now.
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2962 [23:13:42] <RoyK> hi - a friend of mine, Malinux, just upgraded to stretch and found a lot of stuff not upgraded at all. network was down and we had to do a ton of manual work to make things going as usual. lately, we found virt-manager and other packages not upgraded at all and needed an apt-get install --reinstall to get functional. Any idea how to fully upgrade this system without reinstalling it?
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2964 [23:14:59] <noln> !jessie->stretch
2965 [23:15:24] <greycat> the bot has some really weird bugger involving -> in factoids
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2967 [23:15:33] <greycat> it works if you write "dpkg jessie->stretch"
2968 [23:16:29] <Lady_Aleena> I can't figure out which package to choose, so here is the problem. When I set up KDE's appearance, it creates a file called .gtkrc-2.0 and a (I think it is) a symlink .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 to the former file. When I switch over to XFCE, XFCE's appearace is affected by the first file, meaning that I have to delete or relocate it. Then if I go back to KDE, I would have to set up the appearance all over again. Now, I don't know what KDE package
2969 [23:16:29] <Lady_Aleena> I should report this to as a bug. There does not appear to be a general KDE package on my system according to dpkg -l | grep kde. Any suggestions?
2970 [23:16:31] <noln> Ah, thank you. Good to know.
2971 [23:16:39] <noln> dpkg jessie->stretch
2972 [23:16:40] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
2973 [23:16:47] <noln> !pin
2974 [23:16:47] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
2975 [23:17:03] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, the files are created in my $HOME.
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2978 [23:17:27] <greycat> since when does KDE use gtk?
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2980 [23:17:59] <Lady_Aleena> So, setting up KDE's appearance affects XFCE's appearance.
2981 [23:18:12] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, its there somewhere. I am not on KDE at the moment.
2982 [23:18:38] <greycat> I thought KDE used Qt. Eh, what do I know about desktop environments....
2983 [23:19:15] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, KDE does use qt, but qt can be set up to use the gtk theme chosen.
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2985 [23:20:12] <noln> gtkrc is for gtk. gtk and qt apps can be used in kde and xfce independently.
2986 [23:20:56] <Lady_Aleena> noln, the .gtkrc-2.0 file specifically mentions it was set up by KDE.
2987 [23:21:50] <Kali_Yuga> I reinstalled this thime without seperate /home and guided LVM, still the same issue. It was Setting up Grub before installation finished
2988 [23:21:56] <noln> kde is a name for a set of preinstalled packages and defaults. the app uses qt or gtk or whatever, which look into the respective dot-files
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2990 [23:21:57] <Kali_Yuga> time*
2991 [23:22:28] <coruja> the complexer desktop environments are, the more they tend to interfere with each other, so not sure if it may be called a bug
2992 [23:22:34] <Lady_Aleena> noln, I am trying to figure out what KDE package is the main KDE package to file a bug to.
2993 [23:22:34] <noln> yes, there is a kde lib, but the theme rendering is up to qt.
2994 [23:23:27] <Kali_Yuga> I also had another issue when Lan is connected the installer would freeze up at Configuring DHCPv6. So I could not use network mirror
2995 [23:23:42] <Kali_Yuga> a*
2996 [23:25:22] <ryouma> i fear de's. they keep changing my applications like with file association. and i have to keep adding new things to fluxbox startup like that bus thing.
2997 [23:25:34] <noln> Lady_Aleena, maybe you would have more luck in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net
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3003 [23:28:50] <aaro> what bus thing? dbus?
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3005 [23:29:24] <Lady_Aleena> noln, I guess so.
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3008 [23:32:54] <noln> Lady_Aleena, I hope for the best. They also have a dedicated mailing list. If everything else fails, metapackage task-kde-desktop could possibly be a suitable fallback
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3010 [23:34:00] <salcedo> debian EC2 image when?
3011 [23:34:10] <salcedo> (buster)
3012 [23:34:11] <Lady_Aleena> That is probably the one I need. I didn't see it there at the bottom of the dpkg list.
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3018 [23:40:29] <salcedo> oh. administrative issues. :(
3019 [23:41:15] <Kali_Yuga> tried all kinds of thing in the bios now to no avail, It still gives me the same error 1962: No Operating System found.
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3026 [23:46:36] <strive> Is there a way to disable NetworkManager's AP scanning?
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3030 [23:48:54] <uRock> strive, I think "restrict background data usage might do that
3031 [23:49:08] <uRock> That shows p as an option in settings
3032 [23:49:10] <strive> uRock: Thanks! I'll look into that.
3033 [23:49:33] <uRock> I use that when connecting other peoples' WiFi
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3042 [23:53:01] <strive> uRock: I don't see that option. Is that something that needs to be put into a config file?
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