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1 [00:04:13] <noln> is anything mounted or swapon'ed from that nfs?
2 [00:05:11] <Scriptonaut> not sure what you mean by swapon'ed
3 [00:05:20] <Scriptonaut> yes I mounted it, the issue is I can't unmount it
4 [00:05:49] <Mathisen> Scriptonaut, what does lsblk show for you ?
5 [00:07:42] <hypn0> you tried umount -f -l /mnt/myfolder
6 [00:07:51] <Scriptonaut> Mathisen: no mention of the nfs drive
7 [00:08:00] <Scriptonaut> hypn0: yes
8 [00:08:06] <Mathisen> Scriptonaut, then it is not mounted
9 [00:08:08] <Scriptonaut> it doesn't work (first time I've ever had that command not work)
10 [00:08:31] <Scriptonaut> Mathisen: I can't ls the mountpoint
11 [00:08:34] <Scriptonaut> it's locked up, like it's still mounted
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13 [00:09:53] <Scriptonaut> also the df command, as well as the fuser command just hangs
14 [00:10:04] <Mathisen> hmmm
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16 [00:10:19] <Scriptonaut> and lsblk isn't for nfs drives I don't think
17 [00:10:21] <Scriptonaut> it's for physical drives
18 [00:10:38] <Scriptonaut> it doesn't show up on my other server that has the same nfs drive mounted
19 [00:10:50] <noln> I mean any of mount /export/disk_image /local/dir ; swapon /export/swap_file
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23 [00:13:25] <Mathisen> Scriptonaut, well kill it then >> sudo systemctl restart nfs-kernel-server
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33 [00:27:18] <Scriptonaut> Mathisen: you mean on the nfs server?
34 [00:27:38] <Scriptonaut> I'm worried about doing that, currently the client that is stale is a dev server, there are multiple production servers that are nfs clients to the nfs server
35 [00:27:43] <Mathisen> nope the client that had the mount issue
36 [00:28:08] <Scriptonaut> there is no kernel server on the client
37 [00:28:10] <Scriptonaut> there is nfs-common
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39 [00:30:09] <Mathisen> my bad im was thinking kinda wrong here.. yes need to restart service on server then.. i understand if that is a bad idea
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41 [00:30:57] <Mathisen> and that would not even help what it sounds like now
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44 [00:34:02] <Toba> I have a question related to dpkg and dpkg-configure. How can I determine when and why such operations ran on my machine, or even better, completely prevent it from occurring without blocking package installation?
45 [00:34:12] <Mathisen> Scriptonaut, my plan was to restart the servuce that made problem for you.. and now after some google-fu it semms like idmapd is the name of the service that nfs-common runs. so restart that instead
46 [00:34:51] <Scriptonaut> couldn't find that service on the machine Mathisen
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49 [00:36:29] <Toba> I am trying to build a docker image that contains some static content and apache binaries, but does *not* include the /etc files for apache. I can explain why if anyone wants but I'd rather not go into it. The problem I'm having after the process of installing apache into this debian docker image, I'm using rm -rf /etc/apache2. Somehow, after this, /etc/apache2 still exists. I think maybe somehow aptd is bein
50 [00:36:36] <Toba> g started up in the background and doing dpkg reconfiguration when I don't want it to
51 [00:37:09] <Mathisen> Scriptonaut, 2 sec checking myself on a vm now
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54 [00:37:46] <Toba> I guess I could do my rm verbose, or do an ls or something afterward, but I'm not sure I would be able to catch whatever is happening in the act
55 [00:37:49] <Mathisen> Scriptonaut, rpcbind.service
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59 [00:40:49] <Scriptonaut> Mathisen: thanks
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62 [00:41:10] <Mathisen> can you atleast run df again now ?
63 [00:41:28] <Scriptonaut> hmm, restarting that didn't work
64 [00:41:29] <Scriptonaut> and no I can't
65 [00:41:40] <Mathisen> :(
66 [00:41:42] <Scriptonaut> I restarted rcpbind, restarted nfs-common, then tried to umount -lf /mountpoint
67 [00:42:45] <Mathisen> time to dive into logs then.. something must fail somewhere
68 [00:42:48] <Scriptonaut> thre is a process called nfsiod and nfsv4.0-svc, they look a bit suss
69 [00:43:49] <Scriptonaut> I wonder if I could kill that
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71 [00:45:14] <noln> Toba, why?
72 [00:45:18] <noln> There are /var/log/apt/term.log and /var/log/dpkg.log but I'm confident that apt and dpkg, in the default configuration, do not run without your express consent, let alone write
73 [00:46:00] <Toba> I guess I will add more debugging commands in and hope I can figure out the puzzle then
74 [00:46:11] <Toba> I will try to look at those log files also
75 [00:47:21] <jim> are you debugging a script?
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78 [00:47:51] <jim> oh, package installing run?
79 [00:48:01] <Toba> I'm debugging a dockerfile's scripted behaviour to install apache and remove its configs
80 [00:48:06] <Toba> and the configs do not want to die
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82 [00:48:11] <Toba> I don't really get it
83 [00:48:24] <Toba> like, rm -rf somehow silently did nothing maybe? I'm checking whether that's the case or not now
84 [00:48:52] <Toba> oh man I have it, I think
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86 [00:49:32] <Toba> replaced-url
87 [00:49:37] <Toba> spooky, right?
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89 [00:50:40] <Toba> that's the end of the output of `rm -rvf /etc/apache2`
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91 [00:50:57] <Toba> followed immediately by the files still being there. Very unusual in my opinion
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93 [00:51:18] <Toba> I'll check the dpkg.log..
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98 [00:56:19] <MACscr> anyone running lxc on debian 10 yet? im not having any luck with the basic networking
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100 [00:58:52] <jim> I'll take a stab.,, MACscr, what kind of machine?
101 [00:59:07] <jim> and no, I don't think I've used lxc before
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107 [01:02:32] <MACscr> jim ah, just a second. i might be able to approach this differently
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109 [01:05:25] <annadane> does unattended upgrades inform you if a system reboot is required? or actions you need to take that unattended upgrades doesn't do itself
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114 [01:09:32] <jim> does debian 10 have rust?
115 [01:10:42] <annadane> replaced-url
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120 [01:13:27] <jim> annadane, thanks... I also searched, I did apt-cache search rust | sort | less
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139 [01:22:28] <ghormoon> hi, any ideas where to look in when the xserver doesn't have the /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 socket at fisrt, but if i restart it (cither cztrl-alt-backspace or just kill it) it does? thought it was some /tmp mount issue but seems not
140 [01:22:44] <ghormoon> also since dit=upgrade to debian 10, NM stopped looking for hidden wifis :(
141 [01:23:14] <met> ,v rust
142 [01:23:16] <judd> No package named 'rust' was found in amd64.
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144 [01:23:36] <met> ,v rustc
145 [01:23:37] <judd> Package: rustc on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.24.1+dfsg1-1~deb8u4; stretch: 1.24.1+dfsg1-1~deb9u4; bullseye: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1; buster: 1.34.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.35.0+dfsg1-1; experimental: 1.36.0+dfsg1-1~exp1
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161 [01:31:26] <jim> met, yeah, when I did the apt-cache, I saw rustc and the cargo stuff, which is all I remember about rust so far
162 [01:31:26] <berndj> is jessie (security) ever going to get firefox > 60.7.1? re: replaced-url
163 [01:32:28] <jim> berndj, maybe you should back up then start upgrading to stretch... then upgrade again to buster
164 [01:32:56] <berndj> yeah i might have to. it's just bloody inconvenient
165 [01:33:35] <berndj> just weird tht thunderbird is up to 60.7.2
166 [01:33:43] <jim> in general, the answer is no,,, if a debian version gets released, it generally does not get new versions of anything
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168 [01:34:16] <berndj> well i've certainly gotten new firefoxes over the years
169 [01:34:27] <jim> instead, the same version that was released gets patched
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171 [01:35:31] <jim> so have I... but they didn't come from the archives for a released version of debian... they could have come from somewhere outside of debian
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173 [01:36:22] <jim> I guess jessie is now old old stable
174 [01:36:38] <jim> since stretch is now old stable
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176 [01:36:58] <ghormoon> another thing that came to my mind, something started calling xscreensaver on suspend (which just gives error it's not installed). also some thing came to do a "desktop" covering my status bar etc. why is so many things autoinstalled when dist-upgrading existing system?
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182 [01:43:14] <noln> !lts
183 [01:43:14] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
184 [01:43:19] <noln> !jessie-lts
185 [01:43:19] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
186 [01:43:29] <noln> berndj, ^^^^^
187 [01:44:51] <berndj> ah, no use just waiting for new packages to show up then?
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189 [01:46:28] <noln> forget the version number. The only relevant bits are whether it is covered by "security support" or the "security team"
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226 [01:58:29] <berndj> noln, i wasn't looking for some sort of contractual commitment. rather just a likelihood
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317 [03:14:39] <zero_shane> Hey all - I'm automating Buster via PXE install process. Thought it'd be dead simple to replicate our stretch environment and preseed. Using the same preseed, I'm forced to manually input Mirror and Directory info. Great ... fine ... whatever. I slapped in "mirror/protocol", "mirror/http/hostname" and "mirror/http/directory" d-i directives. And it blows up bad. I'm confused what may have changed to require in
318 [03:14:39] <zero_shane> teractive input for the mirror info - that wasn't required in the preseeds before.
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320 [03:15:15] <zero_shane> Any pointers? Places where I can dig around to solve this? I spent a solid hour doing the googely-oogely dance, but no dice.
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340 [03:30:07] <karlpinc> zero_shane: Either the changelog or the source code repo's log?
341 [03:31:03] <karlpinc> zero_shane: Possibly some installer log, if nothing else there's the installer console.
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351 [03:39:04] <zero_shane> @karlpinc - thx - I checked through the debian-installer Buster news postings ... no joy - other than a possible connection "choose-mirror: Update Mirrors.masterlist." - though no smoking gun
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484 [05:27:38] <Debw> hi guys !
485 [05:27:47] <klys> hello
486 [05:27:57] <dvs> ciao
487 [05:28:36] <supitto> Hi
488 [05:28:38] <supitto> I just fresh installed debian 10 and my path was incomplete (lacking /usr/sbin). Did I screwed something up or is this supposed to be that way?
489 [05:29:00] <klys> well that just depends if it's your path or root's path.
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492 [05:29:04] <jmcnaught> !buster su
493 [05:29:05] <dpkg> The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See replaced-url
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498 [05:30:02] <dvs> oh snap!
499 [05:31:49] <supitto> both mine and root are without /usr/sbin
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501 [05:32:14] <klys> so I guess the solution may be to downgrade shadow and util-linux
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503 [05:32:19] <jmcnaught> supitto: are you becoming root with 'su'?
504 [05:33:21] <Debw> yes, but is better use "su root" +psw
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506 [05:34:42] <supitto> yes, using su - solves the problem
507 [05:35:01] <klys> here I find /bin/su replaced-url
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509 [05:35:45] <supitto> Well I must be mistaken, I was sure that normal users had sbin in the PATH.
510 [05:36:02] <klys> no, I don't think that's the way it was.
511 [05:36:03] <jmcnaught> Normal users never had sbin in PATH before.
512 [05:36:06] <Debw> good idea Klys !!!
513 [05:36:32] <jmcnaught> Downgrading shadow and util-linux is not a good idea and completely unnecessary.
514 [05:36:48] <klys> (that's a feature)
515 [05:37:09] <supitto> thanks
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530 [05:58:25] <finn0> Where does screenshot (image) get save in GNOME (if taken using `prt sc` key)? probably ~/Pictures/screenshots
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533 [05:59:12] <jmcnaught> finn0: they show up in ~/Pictures for me
534 [05:59:47] <finn0> jmcnaught: Can change this one to ~/Pictures/screenshots/
535 [05:59:50] <finn0> ?
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537 [06:01:35] <finn0> I'm sure in my previous Debian installation it was ~/Pictures/screenshots/ or may be I have configured something.
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541 [06:03:29] <jmcnaught> finn0: you might need to use dconf-editor to change the default save directory
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553 [06:10:40] <finn0> jmcnaught: I've dconf-editor but, can't the key which stores value for screenshots directory.
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555 [06:11:28] <jmcnaught> org.gnome.gnome-screenshot.auto-save-directory?
556 [06:11:29] <finn0> May I should ask this it on #gnome@irc.gnome.org
557 [06:11:54] <jmcnaught> I just searched for screenshot in dconf-editor
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562 [06:12:54] <finn0> jmcnaught: did you find that key in dconf-editor
563 [06:12:58] <finn0> ?
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565 [06:14:59] <jmcnaught> finn0: I typed 'screenshot' into the dconf-editor search, the top folder result was /org/gnome/gnome-screenshot/ so I clicked on that, auto-save-directory is the first key listed in the folder
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568 [06:15:02] <finn0> jmcnaught: got it. But, don't understand that when I searched with key "screenshot" didn't find that key.
569 [06:15:15] <finn0> jmcnaught: thanks.
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572 [06:16:45] <finn0> anyway, now I find it in first screen.
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580 [06:18:14] <jmcnaught> finn0: you're welcome. I haven't used dconf-editor very much, I'm more of a stick to the defaults kind of person.
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590 [06:25:42] <finn0> jmcnaught: Gottcha. Actually, when I open dconf-editor I was in folder which comes after gnome-screenshot. And GNOME search works goes down till end. I don't understand shouldn't they rotate in cycle (and information user when reached to key from where they started). This way user can't find key which lies above in current place.
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666 [07:35:16] <Harrymuff> hi
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677 [07:46:48] <jim> hi
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733 [08:42:16] <Raylier> Hello people, I just installed Debian yesterday and I'm getting used to it. Had a few questions(I am using Gnome). How do I change the default terminal on Gnome from the Gnome termninal to another one(I have built my st built, but I've never used Gnome before and I'm a bit clueless)
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739 [08:50:26] <Harrymuff> good luck nobody is talking its a join part festival
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755 [08:57:48] <slax0r> bal
756 [08:57:50] <slax0r> err
757 [08:57:55] <slax0r> wrong window
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761 [08:59:57] <Fox> Raylier: maybe you should ask #gnome
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768 [09:02:45] <jmcnaught> Raylier: what do you mean default terminal?
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772 [09:04:16] <Raylier> As in a terminal emulator
773 [09:04:27] <Raylier> and have it be st instead of the gnome terminal
774 [09:04:47] <Raylier> jmcnaught, ^
775 [09:05:14] <jmcnaught> how are you launching the terminal, do you have a hotkey for it or something?
776 [09:05:30] <jmcnaught> otherwise why not just launch the one you want instead of the one called terminal?
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787 [09:10:50] <ratrace> Raylier: update-alternatives --set x-terminal-emulator /path/to/terminal/of/choice ; update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator will list choices
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789 [09:11:32] <ratrace> but this is assuming you're talking about defaults, when an application launches "default terminal" for some reason ; otherwise you just install which one you want and click its icon to launch
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796 [09:13:00] <Raylier> ratrace, Ok figured out a workaround soulution, the solution you gave above didn't help last tim
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799 [09:13:38] <ratrace> Raylier: and what's the workaround solution
800 [09:14:18] <ratrace> pretty sure the above works, but of course the package has to provide the alternative :: i used to to xchange between gnome and urxvt when I was, for some weird reason, using gnome
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802 [09:14:37] <ratrace> s/used to/used that/
803 [09:14:58] <Raylier> ratrace, Making a desktop entry
804 [09:15:12] <Raylier> Another question I have is how can I remap keys
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806 [09:15:15] <ratrace> ah so the package doesn't provide any
807 [09:15:37] <ratrace> gnome setting applet has options to change shortcuts
808 [09:15:41] <Raylier> no :), I had to compile it
809 [09:15:51] <Raylier> not shortcuts, but remapping keys
810 [09:16:06] <Raylier> As in making my Caps Lock into an escape
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812 [09:16:14] <humpled> :þ
813 [09:16:25] <ratrace> you'll have to explain more; not sure I understand what you want
814 [09:16:49] <humpled> you can swap them in /etc/default/keyboard
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816 [09:17:49] <jmcnaught> Raylier: run 'Tweaks' go to Keyboard & Mouse, click on the Additional Layout Options button, select Caps lock behaviour
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877 [09:55:49] <vlt> Hello. Since upgrading to buster I get lots of "page allocation failure: order:7" crashes. This seems to be related to replaced-url
878 [09:55:51] <vlt> kernel?
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881 [09:56:20] <oaudry> hello
882 [09:57:01] <oaudry> I'm trying to migrate my bridge in vlan setup from stretch to buster wo success
883 [09:57:58] <oaudry> On both devices
884 [09:57:58] <oaudry> ip link add link eno2 name eno2.200 type vlan id 200
885 [09:57:58] <oaudry> ip link add br0 type bridge
886 [09:57:58] <oaudry> ip link set eno2.200 master br0
887 [09:57:58] <oaudry> ip addr add 192.168.2.1/24 dev br0
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889 [09:58:01] <ratrace> vlt: debian rebases to upstream releases with point release, so I'm guessing maybe with 10.1 if it even includes .50
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891 [09:58:41] <ratrace> !tell oaudry about paste
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894 [10:00:38] <vlt> ratrace: What could I do to prevent these crashes from happening until a Debian kernel including that patch is officially released?
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896 [10:01:15] <oaudry> Hello, I'm trying to migrate my bridge in vlan setup from stretch to buster wo success : replaced-url
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900 [10:02:10] <oaudry> this setup was ok on stretch but is not working on buster. The vlan to vlan ping works. But when I create a bridge on the vlan I got not connectivity
901 [10:02:33] <ratrace> vlt: that patch seems to be about xen virtual block device; are you on xen? domU? dom0?
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903 [10:02:48] <oaudry> If anyone got a clue :)
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905 [10:05:02] <vlt> ratrace: Yes, this is on Xen. Both dom0 and domU are Debian 10 buster. The problem occurs in the domU kernel (here at 20:00:03 when a cronjob tries to attach a block device): replaced-url
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912 [10:07:02] <ratrace> vlt: i suppose you could: i) file a bug report to debian BTS with this info, maybe the kernel team could backport the patch; II) wait for point release rebase; III) DIY: replaced-url
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915 [10:08:18] <vlt> ratrace: Thank you.
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952 [10:34:11] <garo> I don't have a debian in front of me to check it but am i correct in assuming that /var/log contains kern.log (with dmesg output) and boot.log (with all messages from the boot) ?
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957 [10:36:46] <diogenes_> garo, correct.
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962 [10:40:34] <garo> thanks
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964 [10:41:26] <zmsn21> 99
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966 [10:41:50] <pragomer> hi. I was thinking about trying out a rolling distro (e.g. arch) , but I just love debian based systems. would you recommend using a "kind of rolling" distro like siduction, solydx or using just debian with
967 [10:41:53] <pragomer> 1. testing or
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969 [10:41:55] <pragomer> 2. unstable
970 [10:41:57] <pragomer> in sources.list
971 [10:41:59] <pragomer> ?
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986 [10:52:17] <rant> pragomer: what is your interest in rolling?
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991 [10:55:46] <ratrace> testing is rolling-like but the for the price of nonexistent security policy
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998 [10:57:57] <c-moi> Hello, Debian 9 here. I have many addresses on the lo interface (lo:1 ... lo:20). They are set in the /etc/network/interfaces file. When I use "systemct restart networking.service" after a flush (ip addr flush lo) the lo interface does not gain its addresses (lo:1 ... lo:20). Still, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" 'works', as it gives lo its addresses. How so ? Is it because of the --exclude lo in the ExecPreStart and
999 [10:57:57] <c-moi> the ExecStop in the networking.service ?
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1006 [11:00:14] <lng> Hi! How may I downgrade PHP7.3.7 to 7.3.6?
1007 [11:00:22] <lng> Is there a way of setting minor version for Apt?
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1010 [11:01:48] <rant> if its still available on the repo, then you can specify if I recall correctly
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1012 [11:02:52] <ratrace> 7.3.7 is not in debian even
1013 [11:02:57] <ratrace> ,v php7.3
1014 [11:02:58] <judd> Package: php7.3 on amd64 -- bullseye: 7.3.4-2; buster: 7.3.4-2; sid: 7.3.6-1
1015 [11:03:09] <lng> E: Unable to locate package php7.3.6-common
1016 [11:03:44] <lng> I use replaced-url
1017 [11:04:14] <lng> replaced-url
1018 [11:04:18] <lng> PPA
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1020 [11:05:10] <ratrace> is this even debian
1021 [11:05:29] <lng> yes
1022 [11:05:37] <ratrace> debian doesn't support PPAs
1023 [11:05:52] <ratrace> and sury PPA is for Ubuntu
1024 [11:05:58] <Fox> sury is the official php maintainer in debian
1025 [11:06:11] <lng> replaced-url
1026 [11:06:18] <lng> I use this
1027 [11:06:24] <lng> maybe it's not PPA
1028 [11:06:29] <lng> sorry
1029 [11:06:34] <lng> doesn't matter
1030 [11:06:35] <ratrace> yeah it's not
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1032 [11:07:16] <lng> just need to downgrade from 7.3.7 to the closest ancestor
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1034 [11:07:30] <drax\wrk-> anyone here right now?, with knowledge that can help me with one thing, thanks
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1036 [11:08:09] <ratrace> lng: apt-cache policy <package> i don't know what's the package name from that repo for your php version
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1041 [11:09:21] <Bjornn> drax\wrk-, ask
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1044 [11:10:45] <drax\wrk-> Im running Debian 9.9.0, everything is working smooth, except my WiFI, so if you could help me with getting it running i would appreciate it alot, (not that good at linux)
1045 [11:11:31] <Bjornn> I can't personally help but if you tell specifics maybe someone can
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1049 [11:14:06] <drax\wrk-> how do i know what wifi card i have? so i can try to download drivers
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1051 [11:15:16] <ratrace> drax\wrk-: lspci -k will list pci based hardware with kernel modules in use
1052 [11:15:31] <ratrace> !tell drax\wrk- about paste
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1055 [11:16:27] <drax\wrk-> ratrace, i forgot to tell this is a laptop
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1057 [11:16:36] <drax\wrk-> if that matters?
1058 [11:16:41] <ratrace> it doesn't
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1061 [11:17:36] <drax\wrk-> 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59)
1062 [11:17:36] <drax\wrk-> Subsystem: Intel Corporation Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265
1063 [11:17:36] <drax\wrk-> Kernel modules: iwlwifi
1064 [11:17:49] <drax\wrk-> how do i find and install this?
1065 [11:18:14] <echeveria> it’s nonfree.
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1067 [11:18:23] <drax\wrk-> i would appreciate so much if you guys could help me get my wifi running...
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1070 [11:19:02] <mrig> Hello
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1072 [11:19:16] <ratrace> drax\wrk-: replaced-url
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1076 [11:20:33] <mrig> I am experiencing a few bugs using my wacom tablet since updating to debian 10, is there anything that I could try to resolve this? There are often two cursors sen using the device and the cursor that is moving with the pen often totally disappears.
1077 [11:20:50] <mrig> my wrist is suffering using the mouse :|
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1080 [11:22:08] <pragomer> rant: interest in rolling is to find out how stable/unstable going rolling would be. I know I could get latest applications of course in appimage,flatpak,snap format or backports.. its just for trying out.
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1094 [11:27:14] <drax\wrk-> Anyone?
1095 [11:27:29] <ratrace> drax\wrk-: that wiki link doesn't work for you?
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1125 [11:43:28] <enri> labas rytas kaubojai!:))
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1142 [11:53:31] <n1md4> anyone have success when using xfs_quota? I want to set up a number of projects, but for reasons unknown and despite setting a project path, xfs continues to read other project paths .... replaced-url
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1144 [11:54:06] <n1md4> sorry, this one replaced-url
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1216 [12:30:15] <ansyeb> hello. installed flameshot on debian 10 with gnome 3.30. launching it via Applications -> Graphics -> Flameshot. nothing apperas on the screen. via console I can see the process. what am I doing "wrong"?
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1218 [12:30:27] <ansyeb> it used to work just fine with tint2 on slightly older gnome in debian 9
1219 [12:31:03] <ansyeb> it would appear in that tint small window in the bottom-left corner. but atm I do not use tint anylonger. since UHD screen etc. tried the default TWEAKS tabs
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1222 [12:35:28] <xcm> mid-sentence
1223 [12:35:41] <humpled> oh
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1239 [12:51:27] <tommaso_> Hi, I finally upgraded to buster from stretch .. did an apt upgrade today too and now the alt+tab shortcut to switch between windows is broken. I looked into settings->keyboard-> and set the shortcut but still doesn't work
1240 [12:51:49] <tommaso_> is it a gnome fuck up or what do you think?
1241 [12:52:16] <tommaso_> funny though bc the other custom shortcuts I set still works..
1242 [12:53:15] <tommaso_> mmh not all of them actually "\
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1244 [12:55:12] <zainandif> :-D
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1248 [12:57:39] <tommaso_> D-:
1249 [12:58:18] <humpled> you shouldn't need to set that as a shortcut, it's default
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1254 [12:59:54] <tommaso_> yeah, agree. Though it doesn't work
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1258 [13:01:15] <namey> guys, just installed buster 32 bit on an old laptop, looking for b43 firmware installer, couldnt find it
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1260 [13:01:57] <namey> im using non-free and contrib repos
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1262 [13:02:44] <humpled> i think it slightly changed name
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1264 [13:03:39] <humpled> or maybe not, sorry
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1266 [13:03:55] <namey> too bad :D thx anyway
1267 [13:04:23] <humpled> replaced-url
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1274 [13:06:09] <humpled> see also b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43legacy-installer, do you really have contrib enabled?
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1276 [13:06:34] <humpled> i'm sure you've run apt update since adding contrib
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1282 [13:10:28] <humpled> oh they left
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1293 [13:15:58] <OerHeks> ./clear
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1302 [13:21:52] <tommaso_> ahhhh it was the enabled 'alternate tab' gnome extension!! nvm
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1320 [13:44:00] <nt80> is there any stock way to unlock a desktop session using a laptop's fingerprint reader ?
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1324 [13:46:36] <humpled> so another shortcut was interfering tommaso_ ?
1325 [13:46:39] <nt80> nevermind, found it
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1350 [14:04:53] <no_gravity> Is it possible to configure Debian so that in resolv.conf it always uses 8.8.8.8 and no "search" parameter? It seems wifi aps somehow beam their evil settings into resolv.conf
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1352 [14:07:57] <diogenes_> no_gravity, what DE?
1353 [14:08:57] <no_gravity> diogenes_: Mate
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1356 [14:09:58] <black_13> is it possible to install wheezy?
1357 [14:10:21] <black_13> or rather when i try to install wheezy
1358 [14:10:35] <black_13> i get "Bad archive mirror"
1359 [14:10:49] <diogenes_> no_gravity, nm-connection-editor, double click on your active connection > IPv4 Settings, Method: Automatic addresses only, DNS Servers: 8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4 save, close and: systemctl restart NetworkManager.
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1363 [14:12:20] <no_gravity> diogenes_: Ok, lets see ...
1364 [14:12:30] <no_gravity> Whate does "Automatic addresses only" mean?
1365 [14:12:45] <diogenes_> no_gravity, first compare: cat /etc/resolv.conf before and after.
1366 [14:13:04] <diogenes_> addresses only means it will use only these DNSs and not adding to you existent.
1367 [14:13:09] <no_gravity> diogenes_: It put 127.0.1.1 there again. Bad!
1368 [14:13:19] <no_gravity> It overwrote my 8.8.8.8 that I put there manually.
1369 [14:13:49] <diogenes_> no_gravity, what is the output of: head /etc/resolv.conf
1370 [14:14:51] <no_gravity> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
1371 [14:14:51] <no_gravity> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
1372 [14:14:51] <no_gravity> nameserver 127.0.1.1
1373 [14:14:58] <nse> Hi, you guys. Recently I've followed the instructions to install Electricsheep here on my machine. But, after doing it without errors the command line doesn't appear with the command. I don't know how to launch it. Do you guys have any idea on how to to do this or how to overcome this problem? I really appreciate your help and I am using Debian buster. Thank you very much.
1374 [14:15:02] <no_gravity> diogenes_: ^
1375 [14:15:40] <diogenes_> no_gravity, so it uses resolvconf to generate the content, we can try a dirty little trick.
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1377 [14:16:13] <crivrc> no_gravity /etc/resolv.conf is usually a link, it is the file that it points to that gets updated, if you just make it a regular file it won't get modified
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1379 [14:16:56] <diogenes_> no_gravity, sudo nano /usr/lib/systemd/googledns
1380 [14:17:10] <no_gravity> Maybe I will simply protect resolv.conf
1381 [14:17:33] <diogenes_> paste in there: nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4
1382 [14:17:50] <no_gravity> diogenes_: I think I feel better to use resolv.conf and protect it.
1383 [14:18:01] <no_gravity> I will try crivrcs approach ...
1384 [14:18:08] <diogenes_> ok
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1387 [14:19:39] <no_gravity> I made /etc/resolv.conf a normal file (it was a link) and put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" into it.
1388 [14:19:42] <no_gravity> Reconnected, and this time it persisted!
1389 [14:19:50] <no_gravity> This could be it :)
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1392 [14:19:54] <no_gravity> Thank you guys!
1393 [14:20:17] <diogenes_> nice
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1404 [14:24:02] <no_gravity> Now the world only needs to invent encrypted DNS and wifi will be finally trustless.
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1406 [14:25:10] <diogenes_> i prefer quad9's dns.
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1410 [14:28:12] <bouzu_> bit late to the party but setting "prepend domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf should be the intended (network manager) way of doing this
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1412 [14:28:44] <diogenes_> bouzu_, doesn't work on buster, tried.
1413 [14:30:19] <bouzu_> diogenes_, oh i see. nvm then :)
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1423 [14:35:07] <centrix> Joining Deb 10 to AD using "net ads join" I found these instructions: replaced-url
1424 [14:35:18] <centrix> May they apply to Deb 10?
1425 [14:36:19] <EoflaOEViceCity> Does Debian 10 support 32-bit releases? Or only 64-bit?
1426 [14:36:28] <klys> both
1427 [14:36:55] <klys> your choice is between i386 and amd64 packages.
1428 [14:37:29] <EoflaOEViceCity> Thanks. Does Debian plan to take out 32-bit like other distros?
1429 [14:37:33] <klys> no
1430 [14:37:47] <EoflaOEViceCity> Thanks.
1431 [14:38:21] <diogenes_> EoflaOEViceCity, there is a difference between 32bit distro and 32bit libraries supported on 64bit systems.
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1434 [14:39:27] <EoflaOEViceCity> diogenes_: Yes, I know that already.
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1438 [14:44:15] <black_13> can debian wheezy still be installed
1439 [14:44:38] <diogenes_> black_13, why not?
1440 [14:44:53] <humpled> the archive has moved
1441 [14:44:55] <black_13> i had tried installing on virtualbox
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1443 [14:45:15] <black_13> but get "bad archive mirror"
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1445 [14:46:15] <dvs> !wheezy sources.list
1446 [14:46:16] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
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1472 [15:03:39] <dajju> hello i am trying to netinstall a debian system on my spare machine using my main machine which is UBUNTU. i followed this guide replaced-url
1473 [15:03:44] <dajju> yet i am not able to install
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1477 [15:05:41] <luna_> replaced-url
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1497 [15:17:34] <BCMM> dajju: what did you try, and what went wrong?
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1499 [15:18:14] <dajju> . i can downlaod files from tftp server (as tested on different device). but when i boot my spare system it show an error that could not get boot file name. I have installed isc-dhcp-server for dhcp server and config according to manual
1500 [15:18:21] <BCMM> also, you realise that tftp network booting is a bit more involved than a normal netinstall, right?
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1502 [15:19:00] <dajju> replaced-url
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1506 [15:21:05] <dajju> should i post dhcpdump output
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1509 [15:21:48] <BCMM> dajju: is pxe the only way to boot this machine? if it has usb boot or something, you'll have a much easier time of this
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1512 [15:24:03] <dajju> yes i do realise this but i would like to learn
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1514 [15:24:49] <BCMM> well, fair enough. i must admit that i don't understand the example config files on the wiki properly, though
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1516 [15:26:24] <BCMM> kind of wish there were instructions for dnsmasq, which can do dhcp, bootp and tftp in one
1517 [15:26:24] <dajju> okay
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1522 [15:29:55] <dajju> there is one for ubuntu
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1526 [15:30:51] <opv> hi all, i got a question
1527 [15:30:59] <opv> is it possible to have a cron file source something?
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1530 [15:31:11] <opv> or would i have to manually source the file i want for every single cron task in the file?
1531 [15:32:12] <greycat> A crontab is a list of jobs to perform, including fields that say WHEN, and a command to be executed at those times. It's up to the command you write to do whatever it is you need it to do. Usually it will be a self-contained shell script, or else a VERY SIMPLE sh one-liner in the crontab itself.
1532 [15:33:07] <alkisg> dajju: do you have a separate network for netbooting, i.e. can your main system actually be a dhcp server, or are you using an external dhcp server like a router, where the proxy dhcp mode of dnsmasq would be much easier?
1533 [15:33:07] <greycat> The commands you write will be executed by the absolute minimal bare-bones sh with an absolutely minimal bare-bones environment. No controlling terminal, no TERM variable, almost no environment variables beyond a basic $PATH.
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1535 [15:33:29] <opv> check. thanks
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1540 [15:35:59] <dajju> alkisg: no my main system is my dhcp server and directly connected to the system i intend to install debian on
1541 [15:36:38] <alkisg> dajju: and it's also the dns server, with ip=192.168.1.3?
1542 [15:36:46] <alkisg> You're running bind as well?
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1546 [15:39:12] <dajju> alkisg: no i am not running bind server
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1548 [15:40:03] <alkisg> dajju: then that option there isn't appropriate. Do you also have tftpd-hpa installed? And did you put pxelinux.0 in /srv/tftp?
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1551 [15:43:14] <dajju> alkisg: no it is in default path as supplied i.e. /var/lib/tftpboot. reagrding my dns server i also replace 192.168.1.3 with my gateway 192.168.1.1 in dhcpd.conf to no avail
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1553 [15:44:28] <alkisg> dajju: did you install tftpd-hpa? Can you add --verbose in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa and see if the client actually requests pxelinux.0?
1554 [15:44:50] <alkisg> Btw, if you're just learning, dnsmasq is a much better choice for beginners...
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1557 [15:45:37] <BCMM> alkisg: unfortunately it's not what the debian docs use...
1558 [15:45:48] <alkisg> BCMM: he's using ubuntu
1559 [15:45:53] <alkisg> Debian is the client only
1560 [15:46:00] <BCMM> alkisg: debian installation docs
1561 [15:46:03] <dajju> i tried with dnsmasq and succeeded so onto new adventure i suppose :P
1562 [15:46:13] <karlpinc> alkisg: Trouble with choosing beginner tools is that when you find some functionality you need but don't have you then need to start over with something more featureful.
1563 [15:46:24] <BCMM> alkisg: (and it's probably similar enough, because those packages aren't interesting enough for ubuntu devs to break them)
1564 [15:46:35] <alkisg> karlpinc: dnsmasq supports proxydhcp, which isc-dhcp doesn't; it's a very significant feature lacking from isc-dhcp
1565 [15:46:57] <alkisg> BCMM: both tftpd-hpa and isc-dhcp carry ubuntu-specific patches
1566 [15:47:25] <BCMM> alkisg: ok, that surprises me. what sort of patches?
1567 [15:47:45] <karlpinc> dajju: I found that I needed to put both "server-name" and "next-server" into my dhcpd configs to get PXE booting to work.
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1569 [15:47:49] <alkisg> tftpd-hpa => to default to /var/lib/tftpboot instead of /srv/tftp, because of legacy ltsp paths,
1570 [15:48:02] <alkisg> isc-dhcp => to prefer /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf when it exists, for the same reason
1571 [15:48:14] <alkisg> There are some more, those I remember without checking
1572 [15:48:47] <karlpinc> dajju: I don't recall whether "next-server" was needed for booting debian or another OS, and it's been a while so who knows what's needed now. In any case you could try it.
1573 [15:48:59] <karlpinc> dajju: Most important rule: look in the logs to see what's going on.
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1576 [15:51:56] <dajju> karlpinc: to be clear can tftp-hpa puts log in /var/log/syslog only?
1577 [15:52:16] <karlpinc> dajju: (You can test your tftp server with a client, manually.)
1578 [15:52:38] <karlpinc> dajju: I don't recall. That's probably where you can see things by default.
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1582 [15:54:05] <dajju> karlpinc: yes have used a tftp client in my mobile phone and sucessfully downloaded files from ubuntu system
1583 [15:54:06] <karlpinc> dajju: You can probably configure the destination with syslog, although tftpd-hpa probably uses "daemon" and so the most straightforward rsyslog config would send all deamon logs to some file or another.
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1587 [15:55:01] <karlpinc> dajju: You can use a client on your ubuntu system as well. (No requirement that cilent and server be on different boxes.)
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1594 [15:57:23] <dk657> hey folks
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1596 [15:58:29] <dk657> i just installed debian on a thinkpad p52
1597 [15:59:13] <dk657> which has onboard intel graphics and an nvidia quadro p1000 gpu
1598 [15:59:24] <dk657> i followed the directions at replaced-url
1599 [15:59:46] <dk657> installed X, which is running fine with the i915 module loaded
1600 [16:00:38] <dajju> karlpinc: just installed and tested it on my ubuntu system seems tftp downloads file from ip 192.168.1.1 ie gateway but fails to download from 192.168.1.200 dhcp server assigned ip
1601 [16:00:54] <dk657> but nvidia-persistenced fails to start, and complains " Failed to query NVIDIA devices. Please ensure that the NVIDIA device files (/dev/nvidia*) exist, and that user 111 has read and write permissions for those files."
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1603 [16:01:17] <dk657> in fact there are no /dev/nvidia* device files. do i have to do something more here?
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1610 [16:05:24] <alkisg> dajju: in your dhcpd.conf, you state that your dhcp server is 192.168.1.3
1611 [16:05:45] <karlpinc> dk657: My (uninformed) guess is that you need to install another package. 'apt-cache search nvidia' says that there's a bumblebee-nvidia package. (I have non-free repos enabled.) No idea if that's the right package.
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1614 [16:06:29] <karlpinc> dk657: (Also, I'm currently running stretch, not buster.)
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1619 [16:07:51] <dk657> thanks karlpinc. i have bumblebee-nvidia installed. one interesting thing that i noticed when i installed these packages is that the package 'nvidia-modprobe' was installed
1620 [16:08:10] <dk657> and the description of that package is 'utility to load NVIDIA kernel modules and create device nodes'
1621 [16:08:51] <dk657> presumably some install script ought to make that package do its magic
1622 [16:09:10] <karlpinc> dajju: I'm not really following along. but... does 'ss -lun' say that tfptd is listening on 192.168.1.200?
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1624 [16:09:51] <karlpinc> dk657: Did you install with the unoffical installer that has non-free firmware? If not, maybe you need to install some non-free firmware package.
1625 [16:09:54] <dajju> alkisg: yes but i have tried many times trying different patterns as i see on different websites but to no avail
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1628 [16:10:42] <karlpinc> dajju: Following advice from random strangers on the internet is not always the best approach. Better to read the docs and understand what you're doing.
1629 [16:11:41] <alkisg> dajju: { next-server 192.168.1.3; ==> this tells the client to use the tftp server at .3. So it won't reach your .200.
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1631 [16:12:14] <dajju> karlpinc: no tftp is set to listen on port 69
1632 [16:12:26] <dajju> on my local machine
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1635 [16:12:44] <karlpinc> dajju: But bound to what IP?
1636 [16:12:56] <dajju> alkisg: ok so i remove next-server paramter
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1638 [16:13:10] <dajju> karlpinc: 192.168.1.1
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1641 [16:15:06] <karlpinc> dajju: If it is listening on 192.168.1.1 why would it respond to a request to 192.168.1.200?
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1645 [16:16:58] <karlpinc> dajju: If you have a tftpd server at .200 then you'd want next-server 192.168.1.200;.
1646 [16:17:46] <dajju> karlpinc: ok sorry i got wrong notions i thought that tftp-hpa client program would act as a system requesting new connection
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1651 [16:21:51] <dajju> karlpinc: ok i change next-server to 192.168.1.1 yet the other system doesnt seem to not get boot filename
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1653 [16:22:23] <karlpinc> dajju: FWIW, you can use tcpdump to watch who's requesting what and getting what.
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1655 [16:23:10] <karlpinc> dajju: The client will download files, imitating the system you are trying to boot.
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1663 [16:27:55] <budo> hello?
1664 [16:28:18] <GenTooMan> arg .. sometimes apt under debian can be quite frustrating.
1665 [16:28:29] <GenTooMan> sorry had to say it.
1666 [16:28:33] <Zesk> Hello, with debian installer and preseed file. Is it possible to have a semi automatic installation? For instance, with only network configuration to input manually?
1667 [16:28:35] <budo> I need help. can anyone help me
1668 [16:28:38] <dvs> !lart GenTooMan
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1670 [16:28:45] <Habbie> budo, hello; what's your question?
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1673 [16:29:07] <budo> I have ubuntu on my laptop. And for some reason my original files arent showing up.
1674 [16:29:11] <budo> whats happening?
1675 [16:29:50] <budo> its not showing my hard drive on the desktop
1676 [16:29:54] * Haohmaru checks channel topic
1677 [16:30:31] <Zesk> @budo what did you do before this files disappered?
1678 [16:30:43] <budo> nothing i can remember
1679 [16:30:49] <Haohmaru> ctrl+a shift+del enter
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1682 [16:31:35] <karlpinc> budo: This channel is for debian support. You should probably ask on #ubuntu.
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1685 [16:32:18] <budo> oh gosh
1686 [16:32:26] <budo> ok. thank u
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1688 [16:32:45] <karlpinc> Zesk: I'm not sure what you're asking. There's an option for installing via ssh. You can do something to configure, something, so that after boot the install is continued via ssh. See the install guide at debian.org.
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1690 [16:33:15] <dajju> karlpinc: replaced-url
1691 [16:33:26] <karlpinc> GenTooMan: I prefer aptitude to apt.
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1694 [16:33:48] <GenTooMan> for some reason if you install certain packages it wipes out a huge number of other packages. This seems to be a thing with i386 support in particular. Of course I don't know what is going on. Funny this wasn't a problem in stretch something weird with portaudio.
1695 [16:34:06] <Zesk> karlpinc: thanks, I will test some more to ask more precisely
1696 [16:34:20] <karlpinc> dajju: Looks like privatebin requires javascript. I don't have that turned on.
1697 [16:34:24] <karlpinc> !paste
1698 [16:34:24] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1701 [16:36:52] <dajju> karlpinc: paste.debian.net/1091906 tcpdum output
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1704 [16:39:52] <eb0t> hey i built a website on a different linux and used pip and django...but the database was a higher version of postgres than what is in the debian repo
1705 [16:40:02] <eb0t> i cant remember the exact version right now ..
1706 [16:40:14] <eb0t> but how can i make debian use the same version of postgres
1707 [16:40:42] <eb0t> otherwise all the data will be incompatible
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1710 [16:41:12] <moritz> eb0t: there are debian repositories from postgres which you can use to install other versions than those packaged by Debian
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1712 [16:41:34] <eb0t> ah ok...thanks moritz ..ill look into that
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1721 [16:43:45] <vlt> eb0t: And I doubt that it will be incompatible.
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1724 [16:44:36] <eb0t> yes it will be compatible ..but i mean if i use soem functionality that is not available on the older versions
1725 [16:44:47] <vlt> eb0t: Such as?
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1727 [16:45:01] <tds> eb0t: also worth keeping in mind that if you need modern postgres, and you've been working on stretch, buster has a significantly newer version :)
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1730 [16:46:19] <eb0t> i dont know vlt, i havent yet run a comparison of what version i developed the database on with the one available on stretch and the differences..i was just going to set up a machine using debian buster (the newest version) then it hit me ..ah i just developed a website using a modern version of postgres and i doubt buster will be using such a modern version..
1731 [16:46:48] <eb0t> i developed on gentoo
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1733 [16:47:24] <vlt> eb0t: I would just try to use the version that comes with Debian stable, run all the tests and be done with it.
1734 [16:47:28] <eb0t> but i need to set up a debian system as its proving problematic with some of the recent updates i had to do on gentoo..switching profiles ruined a machine
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1737 [16:47:50] <eb0t> cant afford for this to happen again
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1739 [16:48:01] <eb0t> as its a working development and interfering with business
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1741 [16:49:33] <jmcnaught> eb0t: current stable release of postgresql is 11.4, buster comes with 11. Is there really that much difference? Are you transferring the database after doing a pg_dump?
1742 [16:49:52] <eb0t> i mean i love the gentoo system...but any mistakes in upgrading profiles and the like can render a machine broken, and too long to repair ..so basically its a reinstall ..which also takes a long time
1743 [16:49:55] <eb0t> yes jmcnaught
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1745 [16:50:09] <eb0t> ill be transfering the dump
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1748 [16:50:41] <jmcnaught> eb0t: I would just see if that works, if not then look into Django's ability to serialize its data into another format like JSON
1749 [16:51:00] <jmcnaught> eb0t: in the future it would be wise to develop using the version that you'll be hosting on
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1751 [16:52:51] <eb0t> ah thanks jmcnaught
1752 [16:53:04] <eb0t> its my first webdev and a big learning curve
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1754 [16:53:27] <jmcnaught> eb0t: yeah there's always a lot to learn. Django's a good pick :)
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1756 [16:53:49] <eb0t> i developed on gentoo...then hosted on centos7
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1759 [16:54:06] <eb0t> but at the time i ended up using the same version of database somehow
1760 [16:54:06] <jmcnaught> Where does Debian factor in?
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1762 [16:54:30] <eb0t> my workstations are gentoo..but im changing to debian for continuing development
1763 [16:54:55] <eb0t> i would use centos but i dont like it as a desktop
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1771 [16:56:25] <eb0t> i will be continuing developing and testing on debian in future ..pushing to bitbucket and then dragging it down to my digital ocean centos
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1773 [16:56:47] <eb0t> wizanalytics.com thats the site i did
1774 [16:57:01] <eb0t> its not perfect but its ok and took a while
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1777 [16:57:48] <eb0t> they are using it, only a little problem with a white bar at the top of mac machines which i have yet to sort out
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1801 [17:09:52] <nikivi> I get `/app/node_modules/electron/dist/electron: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
1802 [17:10:02] <nikivi> as error in my dockerfile when building
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1804 [17:10:17] <nikivi> I tried to `apt-get -y install libgtk-3-0` to fix this but it fails
1805 [17:10:23] <nikivi> E: Unable to locate package libgtk-3-0
1806 [17:10:23] <nikivi> The command '/bin/sh -c apt-get -y install libgtk-3-0' returned a non-zero code: 100
1807 [17:10:38] <nikivi> is it possible to find the package I need to get to make the error go away?
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1809 [17:11:24] <greycat> nikivi: there is libgtk-3-0 in buster. Which release are you on?
1810 [17:11:35] <nikivi> not sure how to find it out from within docker
1811 [17:11:41] <greycat> it's also in stretch
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1813 [17:11:45] <nikivi> my dockerfile starts with `FROM node:12.3.1`
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1816 [17:12:39] <nikivi> asked on #docker but they said to ask here
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1818 [17:13:56] <nkuttler> nikivi: did you actually run apt-get update?
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1822 [17:15:48] <nkuttler> nikivi: and at least pick an image that includes the release name..
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1824 [17:16:09] <nkuttler> replaced-url
1825 [17:16:32] <Raylier> Hi people, just moved to Debian had a few questions as I am unfamilliar with Wayland
1826 [17:16:55] <Raylier> Is there an equivalent to xinitrc in Wayland, and how can I start sxhkd on startup
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1832 [17:20:56] <jmcnaught> Raylier: did you test that sxhkd works at all under Wayland? The GNOME way of doing autostart is to make and XDG .desktop file and put it in /etc/xdg/autostart/
1833 [17:21:13] <jmcnaught> s/and/an/
1834 [17:21:22] <Raylier> jmcnaught, sxhkd works, I tested it
1835 [17:21:56] <Raylier> I am guessing this is Xwayland and not just wayland
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1837 [17:22:46] <insidious> Gnome, Wayland all junk
1838 [17:22:48] <insidious> lold
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1840 [17:23:00] <insidious> what's wrong with i3 or openbox? xD
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1845 [17:26:01] <mns> insidious: they're resource hogs. just use vtwm or stumpwm :-)
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1847 [17:26:11] <insidious> ^
1848 [17:26:16] <Akuw> how can i convert from epoch to human and human to epoch?
1849 [17:26:45] <Rayler> Hi sorry lost net
1850 [17:26:55] <greycat> date -d @123456789
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1852 [17:27:07] <jmcnaught> Rayler: did you test that sxhkd works at all under Wayland? The GNOME way of doing autostart is to make an XDG .desktop file and put it in /etc/xdg/autostart/
1853 [17:27:30] <greycat> date +%s -d 'Thu Nov 29 16:33:09 EST 1973'
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1862 [17:30:01] <mns> Akuw: I'm presuming you're talking about time ? use the date command ? date -j -f "%a %b %d %T %Z %Y" "`date`" "+%s" should give you epoc
1863 [17:30:32] <greycat> date -j is a BSD thing. date -d is the GNU version, which I showed.
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1865 [17:31:05] <mns> greycat: yeah I got it off my macboook man page.
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1867 [17:31:29] <greycat> Both -d and -j are extensions to posix and won't be portable.
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1874 [17:32:02] <jmcnaught> mns: replaced-url
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1884 [17:34:51] <mns> jmcnaught: thanks.
1885 [17:35:19] <Akuw> this command "date -d @1563376912588000" output mar mar 3 18:46:40 EST 49543412
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1887 [17:35:52] <greycat> your epoch number is much too large. try removing those last three digits, maybe you got yours in milliseconds instead of seconds.
1888 [17:36:00] <Akuw> but in GUI of application i see another date
1889 [17:36:06] <greycat> maybe even remove 6 digits, maybe yours is in microseconds
1890 [17:36:32] <mns> Akuw: what application ? what GUI ?
1891 [17:36:33] <greycat> yeah, removing 6 digits makes it viable
1892 [17:36:42] <greycat> your number is in microseconds instead of seconds
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1898 [17:38:07] <Akuw> greycat: now i am getting right
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1900 [17:38:45] <Akuw> how can i convert 2019-07-17 11:28:04 to epoch ?
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1904 [17:39:31] <Akuw> you know so given 2019-07-17 11:28:04 i get the corresponding epoch
1905 [17:39:37] <nikivi> how can I find what package I need to install if I get `error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory` error?
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1907 [17:39:52] <greycat> wooledg:~$ date +%s -d '2019-07-17 11:28:04'
1908 [17:39:52] <greycat> 1563377284
1909 [17:40:00] <Akuw> ok
1910 [17:40:04] <greycat> I showed this stuff earlier...
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1913 [17:40:34] <mns> nikivi: packages.debian.org look for packages with that libXss.so
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1915 [17:40:56] <nikivi> returns nothing replaced-url
1916 [17:41:04] <Akuw> thanks
1917 [17:41:36] <Akuw> why the saved epoch has more that 10 digits
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1919 [17:41:43] <mns> nikivi: replaced-url
1920 [17:41:48] <greycat> 11:36 greycat> your number is in microseconds instead of seconds
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1928 [17:45:59] <nikivi> mns so libxss-dev is the package name?
1929 [17:46:03] <nikivi> If I get it right
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1931 [17:46:23] <mns> yes
1932 [17:46:24] <jmcnaught> judd: file libXss.so.1
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1934 [17:46:29] <judd> Search for libXss.so.1 in buster/amd64: libxss1: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXss.so.1
1935 [17:46:43] <jmcnaught> nikivi: ^
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1937 [17:47:19] <nikivi> so libxss1 is the package not libxss-dev
1938 [17:47:22] <nikivi> from jmcnaught search
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1941 [17:47:34] <dvs> xssl sounds like it does NOT do encryption
1942 [17:47:49] <nikivi> ok it worked, thanks
1943 [17:47:54] <nikivi> will try find other packages like this
1944 [17:48:18] <mns> nikivi: yeah I searched for libXss.so, the .1 got cut-off
1945 [17:48:32] <jmcnaught> nikivi: there's a tool called apt-file you can use to search for files in packages on your system
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1948 [17:49:26] <mns> jmcnaught: ahh yes, I forgot about that. been almost a year since I used Debian.
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1950 [17:49:56] <jmcnaught> mns: maybe install it in a VM to make it easier to help people?
1951 [17:49:56] <nikivi> cant find `libasound.so.2`
1952 [17:50:06] <nikivi> replaced-url
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1954 [17:51:28] <jmcnaught> nikivi: looks like you searched for vlibasound.so.2 (note the 'v')
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1956 [17:51:35] <mns> you're searching for vlibasound.so.2
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1958 [17:52:12] <nikivi> oops, my bad, I had `v` key in browser as hotkey to focus on search inputs via replaced-url
1959 [17:52:17] <nikivi> thanks mns jmcnaught
1960 [17:52:32] <dvs> or libasound2
1961 [17:53:12] <mns> nikivi: shortcut url for searching: replaced-url
1962 [17:54:17] <eblip> hey i am upgrading apt-get upgrade..and it is taking a long time..does this mean my system is upgrading from stretch to buster.
1963 [17:54:25] <eblip> or do i have to reinstall to make that happen
1964 [17:55:28] <dvs> eblip, it depends what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list
1965 [17:55:31] <jmcnaught> eblip: your system shouldn't surprise you with an upgrade from stretch to buster unless you changed sources.list, or if you pointed to 'stable' instead of using codenames in sources.list. You do not need to reinstall to upgrade.
1966 [17:55:35] <greycat> If your sources.list says "stable" you can get surprise upgrades like this. YOu want it to have the release name instead.
1967 [17:55:50] <whislock> fff
1968 [17:55:57] <eblip> ah ok didnt know that ill take a look
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1974 [17:59:33] <eblip> i have sable.main contrib non free
1975 [17:59:40] <eblip> but everything else is debian stretch
1976 [17:59:53] <greycat> that's going to be a problem... you'll want to make those consistent
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1980 [18:02:23] <jmcnaught> eblip: now that you have started upgrading from stretch to buster you might as well read the release notes and complete the upgrade. You don't want to leave it in a half-upgraded state. replaced-url
1981 [18:02:51] <eblip> ah ok thanks i think im going to reinstall from scratch..as some of the updates seemed to fail
1982 [18:03:21] <jmcnaught> How do people even end up with stable in their sources.list, and what's the point of even having it available?
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1984 [18:03:57] <dvs> jmcnaught, for those daring people who want to have "automatic upgrades"?
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1987 [18:04:13] <eblip> i think i put it there when i wanted non free
1988 [18:04:27] <eblip> not sure if it was automatic or if i copied it offline
1989 [18:04:48] <dvs> eblip, so you probably have multiple lines pointing to the same repo?
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1991 [18:05:15] <coruja> if there are hundreds of packages to be upgraded instead of only some like usually, it's not a real surprise then
1992 [18:06:08] <coruja> eblip, do you mind pasting your sources.list?
1993 [18:06:21] <ravioli> i have a process that runs every x hours. i want to know the peak RAM usage for that scheduled process but i don't want to run the process manually to find out. what tool can i use to record that?
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1997 [18:08:34] <eblip> yes ill get it now coruja
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2004 [18:10:06] <coruja> btw, do many people in here use the deb822 style sources.list?
2005 [18:10:46] <eb0t> replaced-url
2006 [18:11:05] <eblip> hey coruja above is my sources list under account eb0t
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2008 [18:11:18] <greycat> ravioli: you want some sort of continuous monitoring like vmstat, perhaps
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2010 [18:11:57] <coruja> eblip, remove line 16 and add 'contrib non-free' to line 5
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2012 [18:12:05] <dvs> eblip, the "contrib non-free" can be added to the end of lines 5 and 6
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2015 [18:12:20] <eblip> ah ok thanks guys
2016 [18:12:22] <coruja> and then - if you want to - substitute 'stretch' by 'buster' everywhere
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2018 [18:12:35] <eblip> ah that sounds real tidy
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2021 [18:13:04] <coruja> then apt update && apt full-upgrade
2022 [18:13:24] <eblip> good stuff ill do that right away
2023 [18:13:51] <jmcnaught> also consider running that 'apt full-upgrade' inside of a screen/tmux session
2024 [18:14:26] <eblip> ah so i can monitor exactly what stage it is up to
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2033 [18:17:34] <dvs> eblip, the upgrade prints what package is being upgraded so the progress is shown.
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2036 [18:17:59] <coruja> probably more than one wants to read ;)
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2042 [18:19:29] <coruja> eblip, btw, lines 1 to 4 can be removed too, you won't need 9.9 netinstall packages anymore
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2044 [18:20:34] <eblip> ah ok i removed those , they were commented out
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2110 [18:51:54] <jhutchins_wk> eblip: Progress?
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2112 [18:52:33] <eblip> im having a little trouble with the machine .i have rebooted and not coming on ...the machine is old and does this when it overheats
2113 [18:52:43] <eblip> im letting it cool a little and ill try again
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2117 [18:53:54] <mano> Man Hi
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2121 [18:59:28] <karlpinc> ravioli: "sar" is also sometimes used for that.
2122 [19:00:52] <knstn> Guys, i got a rpi3 B+ and put raspbian buster 10 on it. So any questions about it, here?
2123 [19:01:01] <coruja> eblip, cleaning the box inside regularly often helps too, computers are dust magnets
2124 [19:01:13] <eblip> this one is a laptop
2125 [19:01:25] <eblip> i think it has had its day
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2127 [19:01:35] <jmcnaught> knstn: raspbian is supported in #raspbian
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2134 [19:03:08] <knstn> Oh i see. Wanted to clarify it,between #raspbian - #debian - #raspberrypi, i had a dilemma.
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2141 [19:04:19] <jhutchins_wk> eblip: Sometimes you can access the cpu cooling path, there might be a cover or something. If nothing else, blow some canned air back where the cooling fan discharge is.
2142 [19:04:32] <eblip> ah thanks
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2154 [19:07:24] * coffeebob waves
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2159 [19:08:23] <eblip> right bad practice but i just threw it in a freezer for 2 minutes and its started
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2171 [19:12:48] <eblip> yes got to be careful of condensation but it did the trick
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2218 [19:40:58] <bdax> Hi I'm getting random system freezes that are proving very hard to debug. journalctl isn't giving anything useful. Is there a way to put the system into verbose mode, so that lots more gets logged?
2219 [19:41:23] <antto> could it be RAM?
2220 [19:41:43] <bdax> i did a memtest that came back fine
2221 [19:41:51] <antto> :/
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2225 [19:42:21] <bdax> yeah it's a tricky one
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2227 [19:42:34] <mns> bdax: IO ? something with teh disks ? usually its memory or disk IO when such things happen, in my experience.
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2230 [19:43:01] <bdax> not gpu? I was expecting it to be gpu
2231 [19:43:39] <bdax> hm I had wondered whether moving the laptop was a common factor in it freezing, but can't tell for sure. perhaps a loose harddrive cable
2232 [19:44:08] <mns> could be a board is loose too, yes. most of the systems I've had, have not had specialised GPUs on them, just whatever was built-in
2233 [19:44:13] <jmcnaught> When it freezes does it unfreeze or do you need to reboot? Is your journal persistent?
2234 [19:45:08] <bdax> it's a built in intel gpu, I meant I assumed it would be dodgy linux support or something, but had no real reason to assume that
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2236 [19:45:50] <bdax> no, normally it looks like this: replaced-url
2237 [19:46:16] <bdax> sometimes there might be a second or two of whitenoise from the speakers too, but the system never returns to be usable without a reboot
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2240 [19:47:58] <jmcnaught> Is your journal persistent? Are you using 'journalctl --boot=-1' (or -b -1)?
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2242 [19:48:19] <bdax> yeah but it doesn't ever list anything relevant unfortunately
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2244 [19:50:17] <jmcnaught> When I had random lockups on my old computer I used a for loop like this one to look for patterns in the final 20 lines from each boot: for boot in $(journalctl --list-boots | awk '{print $2;}'); do journalctl --boot $boot --lines 20; done | less
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2249 [19:52:24] <bdax> that's a very good idea, thanks for that
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2252 [19:54:29] <karlpinc> bdax: You could try running memtest86+ overnight, so as to allow everything to come up to operating temperature.
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2260 [19:57:53] <bdax> yeah I did run one overnight, had 6 and bit passes, I also ran lenovo diagnostics (which looks like this: replaced-url
2261 [19:58:08] <bdax> and fwiw I've been playing alot with the stuff in here: replaced-url
2262 [19:58:10] <alkisg> bdax: you can run the "stress" command in console, so that you see kernel panics etc, or you can set up netconsole, replaced-url
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2264 [19:59:11] <bdax> very good tip, thanks alkisg
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2275 [20:01:20] <bdax> did it again, last message I saw was the one for netconsole, in case I missed anything
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2278 [20:01:42] <alkisg> You didn't miss anything
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2280 [20:02:06] <alkisg> Btw another quick test is "another OS"; if it happens in two completely different OSes, it's usually hardware
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2283 [20:02:50] <alkisg> E.g. it'll be difficult to troubleshoot power issues with just software
2284 [20:02:55] <bdax> yeah, I've been reluctant to try that one, it does it on and off, sometimes frequently, sometimes days inbetween, so I'd need to use a live cd/windows for a couple of weeks to be sure..
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2287 [20:03:18] <bdax> i probably should though
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2289 [20:03:41] <bdax> do you think reinstalling debian is a valid test?
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2291 [20:04:07] <bdax> like instead of using a livecd for ages
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2296 [20:05:39] <da3m0n22> hi, is there any debugging checklist for STR (suspend-to-ram) issues? running clean Buster on e5470 with latest bios, and i suspect bios issue, black screen after resume, cpu 100% (fans on / heats massively)
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2302 [20:07:35] <nouveau> I'm getting the message "usermod: command not found" as root on a new debian 10 install, what happened?
2303 [20:07:45] <jmcnaught> !buster su
2304 [20:07:45] <dpkg> The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See replaced-url
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2306 [20:08:09] <jmcnaught> nouveau: ^^ sbin is probably not in your path because you used su with no arguments, see that link for more info
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2309 [20:08:55] <jmcnaught> da3m0n22: have you checked your logs?
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2315 [20:12:42] <da3m0n22> jnavila: yes, no logs present, all the logs are truncated and/or binary corrupted at time of resume, also no_console_suspend does nothing in the situation, so i got nothing to catch on
2316 [20:12:53] <nouveau> "su -" works, was their a reason util-linux does this while shadow didn't?
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2319 [20:14:23] <jnavila> da3m0n22: I beg your pardon?
2320 [20:15:11] <jmcnaught> da3m0n22: I'm over here. Are you using a persistent journal?
2321 [20:15:25] <da3m0n22> jnavila: jmcnaught: mis-typed, sorry, no glasses on
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2323 [20:15:46] <greycat> nouveau: it might be really difficult to find out who made the decision, and when, and why, but usually things like this boil down to "I was copying ___", where ___ is some older system, often Solaris, or BSD, or AT&T System V.
2324 [20:15:46] <jnavila> :-D
2325 [20:16:40] <nouveau> I wonder if they will change it
2326 [20:17:01] <greycat> Who's "they"?
2327 [20:17:16] <xbow> hehe
2328 [20:17:22] <xbow> they == them
2329 [20:17:24] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
2330 [20:17:25] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2332 [20:17:50] <greycat> well, that would be part of the Debian side of the picture... good luck finding the upstream side
2333 [20:17:51] <da3m0n22> jmcnaught: using defaults, so yes, persistent, however i suspect nvme issues, and experimenting with default_ps_max_latency_us lead me nowhere
2334 [20:17:53] <xbow> good eve everyone
2335 [20:17:54] <jhutchins_wk> nouveau: su - has always been the traditional form. Somebody in one of the popular linux distros got tired of telling people to use the dash and kludged it so that it would set the path without it. They finally went back to the correct behavior.
2336 [20:18:14] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: I vehemently protest your unfounded accusations.
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2338 [20:18:31] <jmcnaught> da3m0n22: journal is not persistent by default, see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian
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2340 [20:18:52] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: in commercial unices, the behavior of su with respect to $PATH is NOT consistent, and never has been.
2341 [20:19:09] <Jck_true> I installed Debian Buster from netinst using a USB key... But I don't have any network interfaces showing up...
2342 [20:19:11] <greycat> In Debian in particular, su has *always* changed $PATH, until buster.
2343 [20:19:13] <xbow> ~$ find /usr/share/doc -iname "readme.debian" | wc -l
2344 [20:19:14] <xbow> 367
2345 [20:19:16] <nouveau> Perhaps removing the - was a good idea then
2346 [20:19:20] <xbow> hehe
2347 [20:19:27] <greycat> And Debian is venerable enough to deserve recognition.
2348 [20:19:48] <dvs> Jck_true, what do you use for a network interface?
2349 [20:20:02] <Jck_true> ethernet (It's a server in the closet)
2350 [20:20:14] <dvs> ethernet? That's a new one!
2351 [20:20:19] <greycat> HP-UX su(1) also changes $PATH.
2352 [20:20:31] <jmcnaught> Jck_true: no interfaces listed by 'ip link'?
2353 [20:20:38] <xbow> !hmstart
2354 [20:20:41] <da3m0n22> jmcnaught: ok, caught me, back in a minute
2355 [20:20:44] <xbow> !hmstart 99999
2356 [20:20:47] <greycat> At least, I'm looking at an HP-UX 11i man page right now, and it clearly states that it changes PATH to PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin
2357 [20:20:48] <Jck_true> that gives me lo, eno1 and eno2 :)
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2360 [20:21:15] <xbow> wrong chan sorry
2361 [20:21:28] <Jck_true> But no difference between the network card connected and the one not connected
2362 [20:21:42] <jmcnaught> da3m0n22: with a persistent journal you'll at least be able to check if there were any messages at the end of the log of the previous boot with a command like 'journalctl --boot -1'
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2365 [20:22:20] <villageidiot> A long time ago I altered a config file so when I connect to different VPNs static routes are applied automatically. For the life of me I can't find the file where this logic is applied. It's not in /etc/network/... and I've done a ton of googleing but have come up with nothing outside of that subfolder. Any clue where else network based rules could be applied durring a connection?
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2368 [20:22:50] <jmcnaught> Jck_true: what do you mean?
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2370 [20:23:09] <dvs> jmcnaught, I assume that both network card are the same type
2371 [20:23:22] <Jck_true> jmcnaught: I don't get an IP from DHCP
2372 [20:23:40] <Jck_true> (And since I don't have SSH I can't really copy anything...)
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2374 [20:24:26] <greycat> Solaris 8 su(1M) at <replaced-url
2375 [20:24:33] <jmcnaught> Jck_true: when you run 'ip link' does one say NO-CARRIER and the other does not? (Assuming a network cable is only plugged into one of them). And how are you tring DHCP?
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2378 [20:24:43] <greycat> So that's two votes for "PATH is changed" in commercial unixland.
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2380 [20:25:11] <dvs> Jck_true, what's in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
2381 [20:25:52] <alkisg> /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eno1 => does a fake dhcp request, to see if it reaches the dhcp server
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2390 [20:26:44] <greycat> By contrast, FreeBSD su(1) at <replaced-url
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2393 [20:27:01] <Jck_true32> DEfault from my installation I have not touched it. It contains auto lo; ifcace lo inet loopback;
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2395 [20:27:04] <greycat> where the hell did that nick come from
2396 [20:27:19] <mason> What's a Pig Repper?
2397 [20:27:45] <greycat> I was pasting from the web page with the mouse... no idea how that got in there.
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2400 [20:28:10] <alkisg> image alt text?
2401 [20:28:15] <greycat> maybe there's a raw tab character in the web page
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2403 [20:28:52] <dvs> Jck_true32, well, you need at least a "iface eno1 inet dhcp" if you connect via dhcp.
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2406 [20:29:32] <da3m0n22> jmcnaught: yes, no logs on the edge between "Starting Suspend" and "microcode updated early", just did the check twice
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2408 [20:29:42] <greycat> Yeah, there is. For some reason. The web page has "theTAB", which of course irssi expanded upon paste.
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2412 [20:31:06] <da3m0n22> jmcnaught: however, since i've tried to debug for a few months, im ready to submit bugreport, but still i'm not sure against what package, and if there is any "checklist" i could run before submitting, STR worked a while back, and i'm not sure if it was the transition from 9.8 to 9.9 or bios update, what broke it
2413 [20:31:15] <ratrace> greycat: that's a CVE right there if you ask me :)
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2415 [20:31:39] <greycat> In what, exactly?
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2418 [20:32:52] <mason> irssi maybe
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2421 [20:33:27] <jmcnaught> da3m0n22: did you restart systemd-journald after creating /var/log/journal? Did you suspend/resume after that?
2422 [20:33:33] <da3m0n22> yes
2423 [20:33:40] <greycat> Expecting irssi to detect whether I'm typing or pasting and act differently is... possible, I suppose. Whether that's a feature or a bug is a matter of choice.
2424 [20:33:48] <da3m0n22> jmnk: and i did the str/rsume simulatoin twice
2425 [20:33:56] <mason> greycat: zsh manages it, which is impressive to me
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2428 [20:34:26] <da3m0n22> jmcnaught: ^
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2430 [20:34:45] <greycat> bash has some support for something called "bracketed paste" which I did not bother to dig into.
2431 [20:35:02] <greycat> it got very technical very quickly, and requires matching support in the terminal
2432 [20:35:09] <ratrace> textbook example why people shouldn't copy paste commands into terminal; hidden chars, unicode bombs, none could hide a whole .: sudo hijackmepls :. into it :: replaced-url
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2435 [20:35:28] <ratrace> s/none/one/
2436 [20:35:34] <jmcnaught> da3m0n22: are you able to ssh into the computer after a resume?
2437 [20:36:39] <da3m0n22> jmcnaught: dont have second appropriate device, however wifi does not seem to get back on, router dhcp lease will time-out correctly, no network activity either
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2445 [20:41:06] <da3m0n22> jmcnaught: i've tried all the /sys/power/pm_test and those ran successfully, however full suspend-resume fails, suspend-to-disk (hibernation) worked well, before i got rid of swap
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2448 [20:42:18] <tomnor> Is it ok to upgrade cubietruck to Buster
2449 [20:42:56] <dvs> who?
2450 [20:42:59] <ratrace> what?
2451 [20:43:03] <dvs> when?
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2455 [20:45:12] <humpled> got rid of swap
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2458 [20:46:34] <ratrace> drained the swamp?
2459 [20:46:49] <greycat> tomnor: what's a cubietruck?
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2461 [20:47:22] <tomnor> thats a oneboard computer with arm
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2463 [20:47:33] <tomnor> single board
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2467 [20:47:44] <da3m0n22> well that is fun, secureboot setup, hibernation won't work because of lockdown patches, STR wont work because of shitty DELL ACPI or NVME non-standard APSTE, and @humpled does not like no-shrek-swamp situations
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2472 [20:48:30] <humpled> sorry slightly misread
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2475 [20:50:26] <sedrosken> so I need libopusfile0 and libopusfile0:i386 on the same machine for different reasons, is there anyway i can preserve both? apt-get removes one when i install the other
2476 [20:50:57] <uRock> Do Buster installs usually come with Thai Terminal? Just curious as my gnome live image has it listed when I search Terminal, but not gnome-terminal.
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2479 [20:51:51] <jhutchins_wk> sedrosken: Do you have multi-arch configured?
2480 [20:52:03] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: I just verified it on buster with multiarch
2481 [20:52:15] <sedrosken> I think so?
2482 [20:52:17] <greycat> sedrosken: file a bug report... not sure if it's normal or wishlist
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2484 [20:53:37] <greycat> ,v libopusfile0
2485 [20:53:38] <judd> Package: libopusfile0 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6-1; stretch: 0.8-1+b1; bullseye: 0.9+20170913-1; buster: 0.9+20170913-1; sid: 0.9+20170913-1
2486 [20:53:59] <greycat> Looks like it hasn't been touched in a while. I don't know if it's abandoned....
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2488 [20:55:41] <greycat> ,bug 923031
2489 [20:55:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2490 [20:57:55] <sedrosken> hmm
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2493 [20:58:47] <greycat> I really hope it's not abandoned in Debian.
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2495 [20:58:53] <sedrosken> yeah it's because i need an i386 version of libsdl2-mixer for one of my other things, and ioquake3 depends on the amd64 version
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2498 [20:59:12] <sedrosken> i can install the i386 ioquake3 but then i lose my launchers in the panel because it nukes quake3
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2500 [21:00:00] <sedrosken> given that the version even on sid is almost two years out of date, i think it might be abandoned
2501 [21:00:02] <greycat> so anyway, the bug is already filed, and in fact someone (not the maintainer) has actually *done* the work...
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2506 [21:02:37] <sedrosken> I guess I'll track down the upstream source archives and build it myself?
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2510 [21:03:23] <greycat> That'll do fine (and I've built my own vorbis/opus libs more than once), but you'll also want to satisfy the debian dependency, so you might be better off using the package from that bug report. Or equivs.
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2512 [21:04:12] <sedrosken> yeah but that's just a .dsc file? I'll want to source the upsteam archives to use it, right?
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2514 [21:04:24] <sedrosken> unless i've got something completely wrong
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2518 [21:06:35] <greycat> I haven't looked but I presume the other files are stored near the .dsc.
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2520 [21:06:55] <sedrosken> nope, just the dsc
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2525 [21:07:48] <greycat> sedrosken: you're quite mistaken. They're right there.
2526 [21:07:51] <greycat> replaced-url
2527 [21:08:11] <sedrosken> oh -- ohhhhh
2528 [21:08:24] <sedrosken> i was looking in the bug report itself, not the directory listing
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2530 [21:08:28] <greycat> Figured I'd try that before manually pasting the filenames into a wget command.
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2533 [21:11:51] <sedrosken> aha, now i just need a :i386 package that won't nuke this libopusfile0
2534 [21:11:52] <Scriptonaut> anyone know how I can create a directory and make it read/write only,but still allow a user to ls/traverse it?
2535 [21:11:59] <Scriptonaut> since the execute bit needs to be set in order to do that
2536 [21:12:07] <Scriptonaut> but I don't want them being able to execute binaries in there
2537 [21:12:10] <sedrosken> because i still need the i386 build to satisfy the dependency for libsdl2-mixer:i386
2538 [21:12:23] <Habbie> Scriptonaut, if you don't want them executing binaries, don't +x the binaries for them
2539 [21:12:27] <Habbie> Scriptonaut, but why do you want this?
2540 [21:12:31] <Scriptonaut> Habbie: ok, is that the only reason?
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2542 [21:12:46] <Habbie> Scriptonaut, no, there are several ways to accomplish this, but i'd like to know 'why' first :)
2543 [21:12:54] <Scriptonaut> Habbie: because I have a directory that a web server user reads and writes files to, but it also contains some binaries
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2545 [21:13:00] <greycat> sedrosken: if you have an i386 debian system somewhere, you could build it there
2546 [21:13:05] <Scriptonaut> in the case that the webserver gets compromised, I don't want them able to execute those scripts
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2548 [21:13:22] <Habbie> would they be able to read the scripts?
2549 [21:13:37] <Scriptonaut> Habbie: yes, though I'm not worried about that
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2551 [21:13:40] <Scriptonaut> there's nothing confidential in them
2552 [21:13:44] <Habbie> why does execution worry you then?
2553 [21:14:07] <Scriptonaut> because some of the scripts are deploy scripts and other things, actually I'm just realizing how stupid of a setup that is
2554 [21:14:13] <Habbie> good :)
2555 [21:14:25] <sedrosken> i guess i'll have to set up a vm
2556 [21:14:30] <Scriptonaut> it wasn't my choice to put them there, I'm going to see if I can get us to move them to a better place
2557 [21:14:36] <Habbie> that sounds wise
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2559 [21:14:46] <Scriptonaut> ok, thanks
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2564 [21:16:49] <zerocool> anyone know of an easy-ish way to download attachments from multiple emails?
2565 [21:17:22] <greycat> down.. load?
2566 [21:17:35] <zerocool> ye
2567 [21:17:40] <zerocool> save
2568 [21:17:47] <Habbie> how are you accessing the emails?
2569 [21:17:48] <greycat> sounds like you're not actually using email, but rather some sort of web product
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2572 [21:17:59] <greycat> although I could be mistaken
2573 [21:18:02] <zerocool> they're DMARC reports, I used to use KDE but since upgrading to buster, feature is gone
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2575 [21:18:27] <petn-randall> zerocool: Are you talking about kmail? Or what mail client are you using?
2576 [21:18:32] <zerocool> yeah
2577 [21:18:34] <zerocool> kmail
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2579 [21:18:45] <sedrosken> after consideration I think I'm gonna install pbuilder and do it that way
2580 [21:19:01] <sedrosken> what a pain, an extra 100+ packages for one thing
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2583 [21:19:35] <zerocool> Habbie: kmail, imap.
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2588 [21:21:00] <zerocool> I used to be able to select all in folder, right click "Save All Attachments...", now it's gone, i can only do one at a time. i have opened a bug with KDE but I gotta do my job and i am not about to click 500 emails and "save attachment"
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2604 [21:26:56] <mason> zerocool: replaced-url
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2607 [21:27:48] <petn-randall> zerocool: I know Thunderbird can do that, if you're willing to consider switching clients.
2608 [21:27:58] <zerocool> mason: ahh, that looks simple enough, thanks! also I was about to ask if thunderbird could do this, always forget about thunderbird but i always like it when i use it
2609 [21:28:04] <zerocool> petn-randall: right ^
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2611 [21:28:32] <zerocool> i really like kmail for some reason but yeah, i bet thunderbird is better.
2612 [21:28:51] <zerocool> thanks for the suggestions
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2614 [21:28:54] <zerocool> fellas
2615 [21:28:56] <petn-randall> Not really judging, since I don't know kmail, just saying that you can do that with thunderbird.
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2632 [21:38:25] <da3m0n22> jmcnaught: should i put the bugreport against kernel package or elsewhere?
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2637 [21:39:27] <jmcnaught> da3m0n22: I don't know really, but the bug can always be reassigned if needed
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2642 [21:39:58] <villageidiot> A long time ago I altered a config file so when I connect to different VPNs static routes are applied automatically. For the life of me I can't find the file where this logic is applied. It's not in /etc/network/... and I've done a ton of googleing but have come up with nothing outside of that subfolder. Any clue where else network based rules could be applied durring a connection?
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2649 [21:41:09] <da3m0n22> jmcnaught: id better not clutter kernel maintenance team, ok, thanks
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2658 [21:44:27] <petn-randall> villageidiot: Really depends on how you trigger your VPN connection. If you use `ifup <foo>`, it's likely somewhere below /etc/network/. Then openvpn also has a way to run scripts after then connection is up, those are below /etc/openvpn.
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2662 [21:47:11] <villageidiot> petn-randall: thanks for the suggestion but I'm afraid it's neither of those. The VPNs are Cysco connections and the ifup files don't have anything
2663 [21:47:15] <gjasny> Hi, I'm the maintainer of v4l-utils and c-ares. Could someone please invite me to debian-mentors and debian-devel?
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2667 [21:47:48] <villageidiot> I'm about to grep through the /etc/ folder for 'ip route add' and see what comes up but it seams rather extream
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2718 [22:12:05] <JordiGH> It looks like every time I use apt update or upgrade my local network admin freaks out and thinks I'm using Tor. Does apt use Tor by default for anything?
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2724 [22:12:25] <greycat> no
2725 [22:12:39] <greycat> !deb.debian.org
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2727 [22:12:39] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
2728 [22:12:43] <Habbie> JordiGH, ask him to explain what exactly makes him think that
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2731 [22:13:34] <JordiGH> Habbie: Some contraption he calls "the IPS" sends him alerts, who understands these network dudes.
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2733 [22:14:10] <JordiGH> I have non-Debian sources in my sources, so I wonder if perhaps that could be doing it.
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2737 [22:14:19] <JordiGH> None of them look onion-like, though.
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2754 [22:18:45] <petn-randall> JordiGH: Ask them for details.
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2761 [22:20:12] <JordiGH> The details: replaced-url
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2763 [22:20:27] <JordiGH> chloe is my hostname.
2764 [22:20:33] <JordiGH> I don't recognise anything else about this.
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2768 [22:23:08] <petn-randall> JordiGH: Tell them, their appliance is shit.
2769 [22:23:16] <Habbie> JordiGH, presumably the Source IP means something to you?
2770 [22:23:33] <JordiGH> Nope, does not. It looks like some arbitrary Tor exit node?
2771 [22:23:40] <petn-randall> JordiGH: Likely there's a tor relay running on the same IP address, which is a total non-issue.
2772 [22:23:51] <Habbie> ah yes, you're 192.168.x.x
2773 [22:24:24] <Habbie> petn-randall, it's not on replaced-url
2774 [22:24:29] <JordiGH> zomg hax
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2776 [22:24:37] <JordiGH> Oh, so it's not an exit node.
2777 [22:24:41] <petn-randall> It's *NOT* an exit node, it's an intermediate (relay) node.
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2780 [22:24:47] <Habbie> oh, 'not exit'
2781 [22:24:48] <Habbie> yes
2782 [22:25:13] <Habbie> replaced-url
2783 [22:25:15] <petn-randall> Which makes the whole alert even more stupid.
2784 [22:25:20] <JordiGH> petn-randall: What would running apt have anything to do with this?
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2787 [22:26:13] <petn-randall> JordiGH: apt just does a normal https connection to the mirror. The crappy appliance throws an alert because the same IP address (on a different port) runs a tor relay.
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2789 [22:26:45] <Habbie> the port is in there even
2790 [22:26:57] <JordiGH> Ohhhh.
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2792 [22:27:18] <Habbie> note
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2794 [22:27:38] <Habbie> the tor relay might in fact also be on port 443
2795 [22:27:41] <JordiGH> Well, I tried looking at the connexions that apt was making and I didn't even see this one.
2796 [22:27:51] <Habbie> in fact, that would be a great way to hide that traffic a bit, which benefits tor users
2797 [22:27:56] <petn-randall> This is a kind of appliance that makes a lot of noise to make people think they need to buy a subscription. No sane admin would use something like that.
2798 [22:28:01] <JordiGH> Looked at the domain names that apt reported; I didn't try netstat or whatever.
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2800 [22:28:36] <petn-randall> JordiGH: You're likely using a http mirror that redirects.
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2803 [22:28:42] <JordiGH> petn-randall: I shall pass on your report of my network dude's sanity.
2804 [22:28:53] <petn-randall> (which is completely normal behaviour)
2805 [22:28:57] <Habbie> JordiGH, next time you apt update, run tcpdump along with it, then when you get a complaint, see if you can match the IP
2806 [22:29:07] <JordiGH> Habbie: sure, will do.
2807 [22:29:14] <JordiGH> petn-randall: So what's "the IPS"?
2808 [22:29:46] <JordiGH> Oh, must be this: replaced-url
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2810 [22:29:52] <greycat> JordiGH: it's your network chimp reporting it, not his...
2811 [22:29:56] <Habbie> detection/prevention, yes
2812 [22:30:17] <JordiGH> What a dumb name, if they needed a TLA, why not use ICE like in cyberpunk, would have been so much cooler.
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2814 [22:31:02] <petn-randall> hehe
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2819 [22:35:54] <Scriptonaut> I have a different nfs issue today. I did a chown on an nfs mount, and that caused every client connected to the nfs server to lose connection to the nfs server. I did a force lazy unmount of the nfs client, then tried to remount, and it just hangs
2820 [22:36:22] <Scriptonaut> I restarted portmap, rpcbind, and nfs-common (well, stopped them all, then started them all, in that order), and I still can't mount the nfs drive on a client
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2822 [22:36:58] <Scriptonaut> how should I go about mounting this nfs drive
2823 [22:37:06] <Scriptonaut> or what can I do to diagnose the issue?
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2827 [22:38:20] <petn-randall> Scriptonaut: Have you tried reverting the chown changes?
2828 [22:38:48] <Scriptonaut> petn-randall: the chown changes seem to never have worked
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2830 [22:39:02] <Scriptonaut> I was able to re-mount from a ubuntu client after doing the things I tried above
2831 [22:39:06] <Scriptonaut> but the debian client is hanging
2832 [22:39:09] <petn-randall> And in my (limited) experience with NFS it helps if you restart the client. You can probably clean up stale/broken mounts, but I never found out how.
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2835 [22:39:31] <Scriptonaut> rebooting the client isn't an option right now, it's a production server in the middle of the day
2836 [22:39:41] <Scriptonaut> and this is such a crappy server that it's never guaranteed to come back up
2837 [22:39:49] <Scriptonaut> sometimes it just won't come back up
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2943 [23:35:33] <Scriptonaut> if anyone is curious, I managed to remount the nfs client, by using the mount options vers=3
2944 [23:35:41] <Scriptonaut> for some reason it didn't want to remount with nfs4
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2946 [23:35:47] <Scriptonaut> but did it just fine with nfs3
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2973 [23:50:06] <sedrosken> alright I eventually used the dsc and original tar archives to produce an i386 build of libopusfile0, which doesn't complain about being installed alongside the amd64 version, allowing for the i386 version of libsdl2-mixer-2.0-0 to be installed
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2975 [23:50:33] <sedrosken> used pbuilder to produce the i386 build of libopusfile0, geez that took a while
2976 [23:50:49] <sedrosken> then again I'm on a very slow machine with an even slower internet connection
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