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5 [00:03:57] <a3Dman> is there anyway to revert apt update -t unstable
6 [00:04:03] <a3Dman> I didn't do apt upgrade yet
7 [00:04:53] <annadane> apt update is reversible, yes, just change your sources.list back to stable (or whatever it said before) and apt update again
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9 [00:05:00] <a3Dman> I did
10 [00:05:06] <a3Dman> but it still says 546 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
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12 [00:05:28] <annadane> post your sources.list, then
13 [00:05:30] <annadane> !paste
14 [00:05:30] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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16 [00:06:10] <a3Dman> annadane replaced-url
17 [00:06:14] <a3Dman> sources.list.d is empty
18 [00:06:45] <annadane> if you kept it as "stable" for a while now, buster just released so it's the new stable
19 [00:06:58] <a3Dman> anyway to make sure before upgrade?
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21 [00:07:01] <annadane> if you had stable before, it would've tracked stretch, but now it's buster
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23 [00:07:35] <a3Dman> oh great
24 [00:07:41] <a3Dman> apt list --upgradable shows they're all stable
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26 [00:08:05] <a3Dman> what a weird coincidence that I did this on buster release
27 [00:08:38] <Tom-_> there are no coincidences. happy Debianing
28 [00:08:43] <a3Dman> thanks
29 [00:09:06] <ratrace> "explicit is better than implicit", pep 20; why I prefer explicit codenames, no suprises
30 [00:09:17] <jmcnaught> a3Dman: it's better to track the codenames like stretch, buster in sources.list instead of the link like 'stable' so that you don't get a surprise upgrade
31 [00:09:41] <jmcnaught> a3Dman: if this system started as a stretch system, it's a good idea to read the buster release notes before upgrading
32 [00:10:34] <Mathisen> remeber also to run apt full-upgrade also or apt-get dist-upgrade after the regular upgrade
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34 [00:13:42] <a3Dman> thanks jmcnaught, reading it now
35 [00:14:00] <a3Dman> thanks Mathisen, I should do autoremove as well right?
36 [00:14:10] <Mathisen> yep
37 [00:14:18] <annadane> is apt update -t unstable even a valid command...?
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41 [00:15:35] <annadane> apt update just updates the sources list to sync with the mirrors, why would you append -t unstable
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43 [00:15:53] <annadane> especially if you're already running stable; don't mix stable and unstable packages at all to start with
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45 [00:16:11] <a3Dman> annadane I only install wireguard
46 [00:16:42] <a3Dman> I thought by doing that it would prefer unstable package of wireguard
47 [00:16:50] <a3Dman> but did apt install wireguard/unstable instead
48 [00:17:00] <Mathisen> a3Dman, i dont think you get what he means. it kinda the same thing as doing a partial upgrade and that is a big no no
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50 [00:18:25] <jmcnaught> a3Dman: Installing packages from unstable on a Debian stable release can really mess things up and is not supported. Take a look at replaced-url
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52 [00:19:22] <annadane> judd, checkbackport wireguard-tools --fromrelease sid --torelease buster
53 [00:19:23] <judd> Backporting package wireguard-tools in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
54 [00:19:35] <a3Dman> jmcnaught I did these replaced-url
55 [00:19:43] <a3Dman> would that lead to the same outcome?
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57 [00:20:24] <annadane> btw jmcnaught, was it you i was talking to some time ago but xfce wallpapers? the new xfce in buster does indeed let you select subfolders now
58 [00:20:32] <annadane> s/but/about
59 [00:20:58] <jmcnaught> a3Dman: it would depend on which packages also got installed as dependencies when you installed wireguard.
60 [00:21:14] <a3Dman> jmcnaught it doesn't install dependencies
61 [00:21:25] <a3Dman> only 3 wireguard* pkgs
62 [00:21:48] <a3Dman> wireguard doesn't get updated automatically tho
63 [00:22:02] <a3Dman> that's why I do apt install wireguard/unstable to upgrade it each time
64 [00:22:21] <jmcnaught> annadane: not sure if that was me. Does selecting a directory make your desktop background into a slideshow?
65 [00:22:24] <annadane> replaced-url
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68 [00:23:16] <jmcnaught> That page could probably use an admonition.
69 [00:23:18] <a3Dman> annadane yeah, I got it form there
70 [00:23:20] <annadane> jmcnaught, no, the conversation was that in stretch's wallpaper selection thing it'd only let you select directories that were in the top level of certain directories, something like that, now you can go inside other folders
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73 [00:24:27] <annadane> anyway, it doesn't matter
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75 [00:25:58] <annadane> jhutchins, may've been you ^ concerning the xfce discussion
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77 [00:27:34] <wr> want to install debian 10 on pc with no internet and wifi card and use xfce, what iso type should use?
78 [00:28:09] <annadane> wr, replaced-url
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81 [00:29:27] <wr> annadane, if it was dvd was i using more stuff unneeded ?
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83 [00:30:01] <ratrace> with (no internet) and (wifi card) or with no (internet and wifi card) ?
84 [00:30:06] <annadane> i'm actually not sure. i've never bothered to look at the difference
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87 [00:30:41] <wr> ratrace, i have a wifi card there but at start is not connected to net
88 [00:30:57] <ratrace> wr: right so you might want one of the firmware isos then?
89 [00:31:13] <wr> ratrace, when i used stretch i had to install firmware for it to work
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95 [00:32:14] <wr> ratrace, if it is just a package i don't mind installing it when i finish the install if the iso lower on size
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97 [00:32:25] <ratrace> so try this? replaced-url
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99 [00:33:24] <wr> ratrace, it's best to already have firmware cause i might need a mirror on install, is that it?
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102 [00:34:05] <ratrace> yes and the iso i linked includes it
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108 [00:37:00] <wr> ratrace, last time i installed this like 6 years ago i could not run netinstall on my hardware, do you think now will run?
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113 [00:38:45] <ratrace> wr: i cannot possibly know
114 [00:39:35] <wr> ratrace, i'll find out when run it
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119 [00:40:49] <ratrace> yummy politics spam in quitmsg; any rules against that? quite annoying i say
120 [00:41:15] <humpled> oh i missed it
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130 [00:48:49] <wr> should i ever used snap on debian? replaced-url
131 [00:49:32] <ratrace> eeww
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133 [00:49:47] <somiaj> snap can be used to install some third party software.
134 [00:49:49] <somiaj> ,v snapd
135 [00:49:50] <judd> Package: snapd on amd64 -- stretch: 2.21-2+b1; bullseye: 2.37.4-1+b1; buster: 2.37.4-1+b1; sid: 2.37.4-1+b1
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142 [00:53:59] <wr> somiaj, can it conflict on stuff? or never happens? i used it once but i don't know if i don't like it or if i don't know how to use it good
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148 [00:54:52] <somiaj> snap packages should be self contained, but I would only use this for stand alone stuff
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166 [01:05:48] <cybercrypto> !mc
167 [01:05:49] <dpkg> Midnight Commander is a cross-platform orthodox file manager, a clone of Norton Commander. It is a text mode application, with the main interface consisting of two panels which display the file system. Samba (SMB) support is disabled by default since mc 2:4.6.2~git20080311-1 (Debian bug #432324). replaced-url
168 [01:06:44] <uplime> how
169 [01:06:46] <uplime> how
170 [01:06:48] <uplime> how
171 [01:06:50] <uplime> how
172 [01:06:52] <uplime> how
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175 [01:06:56] <uplime> how
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178 [01:08:54] <mohammad-ghasemi> uplime, like this :)
179 [01:09:09] <uplime> mohammad-ghasemi: I'm really sorry about that
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181 [01:09:47] <mohammad-ghasemi> uplime, no problem. I was joking. I'm not admin.
182 [01:10:22] <kingsley_> Can any of Debian's fine system administration tools reveal which package or packages, if any, have new versions that are stuck in the experimental distribution and preventing newer versions of certain other packages, like gimp and kdenlive, from migrating from experimental to unstable?
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186 [01:11:13] <ksk> No, I dont think that there is a programmatic version of the debian package architecture across releases..
187 [01:12:15] <jmcnaught> kingsley_: there's rmadison from the devscripts package, it shows which version of a package is available across the various suites.
188 [01:12:28] <BoredTeen98> Hi all. I will go Live in a few minutes. I can send 2 Free invitations for my Private Live. Be among the fastest and get one of the invitations. Enter the site and write in the chat "Free Invite", so I can send it to you::: replaced-url
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225 [01:30:09] <GenTooMan> is it me or was leafpad removed from buster?
226 [01:30:50] <ksk> ,v leafpad
227 [01:30:51] <judd> Package: leafpad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.18.1-4; stretch: 0.8.18.1-5
228 [01:31:10] <ksk> you should find a reason for that somewhere in the BTS, not sure where.
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230 [01:32:35] <BazookaTooth> ,v mousepad
231 [01:32:36] <judd> Package: mousepad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.0-2; stretch: 0.4.0-4; bullseye: 0.4.1-2; buster: 0.4.1-2; sid: 0.4.1-2
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234 [01:32:46] <jmcnaught> GenTooMan: replaced-url
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236 [01:33:44] <ksk> If you want a feature-wise replacement for notepad, it should not be hard to find ;)
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271 [02:04:06] <sleepingforest> for someone with maybe 5 hours a week free, is it hard to be a contributor to debian? (i.e. helping with bugs and ensuring packages are updated)
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303 [02:29:52] <cybercrypto> sleepingforest: are you willing to contribute?
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306 [02:31:15] <cybercrypto> sleepingforest: if so, please take a look at this page and you will find details about it. replaced-url
307 [02:32:24] <ohnx> i am trying to install LXDE in a chroot but seem to be running into an error as described here: replaced-url
308 [02:32:58] <ohnx> i set up the chroot with debian buster using `deboostrap buster mychroot` and entered it using `chroot mychroot`
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313 [02:35:31] <GenTooMan> jmcnaught I read it is GTK2 (I did look) I did not think to look in the tracker for the package. Duh. So it was removed due to lack of someone to update it.
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322 [02:41:25] <GenTooMan> jmcnaught by the way thanks for letting me know I appreciate that.
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325 [02:42:04] <jmcnaught> GenTooMan: you're welcome
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328 [02:42:54] <jmcnaught> ohnx: I don't know what you're trying to do but if the chroot accessing the host's dbus you could bind mount the directly /run/dbus into the chroot directory
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330 [02:43:28] <jmcnaught> I mean, if you don't mind the chroot accessing the system dbus
331 [02:43:31] <ohnx> jmcnaught: i want to test out a desktop environment
332 [02:43:34] <ohnx> i don't mind
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334 [02:43:40] <ohnx> i just don't want my filesystem getting polluted
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336 [02:44:06] <jmcnaught> what are you trying to do?
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338 [02:44:19] <jmcnaught> use xephyr or xpra or something?
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340 [02:45:00] <jmcnaught> I think it would be easier to do test a desktop environment in a virtual machine if your computer supports it.
341 [02:45:21] <BazookaTooth> ohnx: you could just grab a debian vm from osboxes.org and try it there
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344 [02:46:45] <ohnx> i want to be able to use my gpu in the chroot
345 [02:46:58] <ohnx> and i can't for the life of me figure out gpu passthrough to vm's
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351 [02:52:32] <jmcnaught> ohnx: qemu KVM/virt-manager picked up support for 3D accelleration in VMs without passthrough, it's called virgl replaced-url
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353 [02:53:23] <ohnx> oh cool
354 [02:53:36] <ohnx> i'll look into that maybe
355 [02:53:41] <jmcnaught> I got it working in virt-manager with a buster host and buster guest, the guest had GL acceleration enough at least for a compositor, I didn't try games
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359 [02:54:48] <jmcnaught> ohnx: I have GPU passthrough set up with virt-manager as well, if you ever want to troubleshoot that you can ping me in this channel
360 [02:54:57] <ohnx> the thing is, i don't have a desktop environment running on the host
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362 [02:56:02] <jmcnaught> virt-manager can run on a separate computer from the libvirtd it is managing
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414 [03:40:58] <GenTooMan> any suggestions how to install eclipse in debian? I know they use JDK 8 (because I installed it in stretch). They talk about 9 but nothing about 11 which is in buster. Thoughts suggestions (point and laugh works too)?
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420 [03:42:55] <dvs> ,v eclipse
421 [03:42:56] <judd> Package: eclipse on amd64 -- jessie: 3.8.1-7; stretch: 3.8.1-10
422 [03:43:09] <dvs> none in buster?!?
423 [03:43:16] <GenTooMan> no it was removed.
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425 [03:43:30] <GenTooMan> eclipse is version 4.8 now? I think.
426 [03:44:18] <GenTooMan> no one to maintain it (because it uses JDK 8 and buster has 11)
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429 [03:46:51] <GenTooMan> well I'm trying to install in any case ...
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432 [03:48:08] <jmcnaught> GenTooMan: see if you can get it to work with openjdk-11, but if that doesn't work you could add stretch repos to your sources.list and install openjdk-8 from there.
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435 [03:48:41] <jmcnaught> GenTooMan: then you would probably need to configure which openjdk provides java (and maybe some others) with update-alternatives --configure java
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439 [03:51:28] <GenTooMan> jmcnaught it appears to work with openjdk-11 and recognizes it. I think Eclipse org needs to update their install notes.
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442 [03:54:22] <GenTooMan> I don't see how one can install eclipse through the package manager however. It has it's own installer that handles things kind of like autoconfig does.
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458 [04:12:30] <friendlyGoat> this seems like it'd be something simple but i need a little help with 9.9. i cant make my ip static for some reason, and when it is static its not the ip i want it to be and im not sure why. how would i go about making my IP static in a way that makes sense and works?
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461 [04:15:38] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: how are you configuring networking? With /etc/network/interfaces?
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470 [04:26:25] <friendlyGoat> jmcnaught: yes i've been using that.
471 [04:27:24] <friendlyGoat> replaced-url
472 [04:27:29] <friendlyGoat> made a pastebin of mine for you
473 [04:27:56] <met> 'inet status' -> 'inet static'
474 [04:28:16] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: ^
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479 [04:32:10] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: you probably also want to switch allow-hotplug to auto (if you want this interface brought up automatically at boot)
480 [04:32:28] <dvs> allow-hotplugs doesn't?
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482 [04:36:18] <jmcnaught> allow-hotplug usually will but what it means is "bring it up when udev detects it". If you have services that depend on networking being up need it to be auto so that ifup makes sure it is up, while allow-hotplug technically means it's okay to proceed without it
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487 [04:40:10] <alexandros_tab> go night, I am trying to install rtl8812au driver for my usb wifi dongle, but it fails in the install because LINUX_VERSION_CODE is not set. How can I fix it or is there a work around?
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493 [04:42:27] <n0a110w> anyone had success installing spotify on buster?
494 [04:42:33] <jmcnaught> alexandros_tab: how are you installing the driver, compiling from source? Did you check to see if you just need a firmware package to get the dongle to work?
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496 [04:43:28] <friendlyGoat> made the changes you mentioned, anything else?
497 [04:43:54] <awal1> dpkg: spotify
498 [04:43:54] <dpkg> awal1: I don't know, could you explain it?
499 [04:43:57] <alexandros_tab> jmcnaught: do you know the name of the firmware package, I did not find any, might of overlook
500 [04:44:16] <alexandros_tab> btw, I am using dkms method
501 [04:44:34] <jmcnaught> alexandros_tab: there's a firmware-realtek package in non-free
502 [04:44:42] <jmcnaught> !non-free
503 [04:44:43] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
504 [04:44:57] <alexandros_tab> ok thanks will check
505 [04:46:12] <jmcnaught> n0a110w: I don't use spotify but I would install it with flatpak: replaced-url
506 [04:46:32] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: does it work now?
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513 [04:48:26] <jmcnaught> n0a110w: I use flatpak for some other programs, I use it as non-root with --user, so it installs packages specific to my user.
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518 [04:49:38] <friendlyGoat> unfortunately not @jmcnaught
519 [04:50:12] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: what IP are you getting instead? Did you reboot, or how did you test?
520 [04:50:58] <friendlyGoat> i rebooted and restarted the networking daemon. instead of 192.168.254.45 like i want im instead getting 192.168.254.22
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523 [04:51:19] <friendlyGoat> i've been testing by looking at the assigned IP on my router and from seeing if i can connect to it over ssh with the ip i would prefer
524 [04:51:39] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: don't restart networking, it's not a daemon it's a oneshot command that runs at boot.
525 [04:52:18] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: can you put the output of 'journalctl -u networking.service' and 'journalctl list-units | grep -i network' on replaced-url
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529 [04:56:24] <friendlyGoat> for the second command you gave me it said failed to add match list-utils invalid argument.
530 [04:56:24] <friendlyGoat> for the first one i got replaced-url
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532 [04:56:47] <dvs> list-units
533 [04:57:37] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: my bad that should have been 'systemctl list-units | grep -i network'
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537 [05:02:17] <crimson_king> My Braswell graphics laptop gives a black screen with a blinking cursor instead of the LightDM user selection...
538 [05:02:32] <crimson_king> Debian 10 Buster
539 [05:02:56] <crimson_king> Intel graphics, that is.
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541 [05:03:43] <jmcnaught> Did it work before in buster? In stretch?
542 [05:03:59] <crimson_king> Yes, it works with Debian 9
543 [05:04:06] <dvs> What version is Braswell? HD 640?
544 [05:05:32] <crimson_king> Intel HD Graphics 400
545 [05:06:23] <crimson_king> It's the Dell Inspiron 3162, part of the "cloudbook/chromebook-like" trend
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547 [05:07:11] <friendlyGoat> replaced-url
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549 [05:08:03] <crimson_king> LightDM is running, there are no errors about it
550 [05:08:07] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: okay I just wanted to check if something like NetworkManager or networkd was running as well. Do you have any files in /etc/network/sources.list.d/ ?
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552 [05:08:49] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: errr... getting tired I mean /etc/network/interfaces.d/
553 [05:08:55] <crimson_king> I tried to grep journalctl for i915, display, error, crash, anything... but so far nothing relevant came, as far as I can tell
554 [05:09:13] <crimson_king> Nothing about Xorg either. Checked Xorg.0.log too.
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556 [05:09:27] <friendlyGoat> nothing in there
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558 [05:09:49] <crimson_king> I kill Xorg process, it just flickers the screen once and we're back at the same place, a black screen.
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562 [05:12:10] <jmcnaught> friendlyGoat: you could try searching the journal for the IP address that the interface is getting: journalctl | grep 192.168.254.22
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573 [05:16:42] <crimson_king> I got an error in Xorg.0.log: modeset(0): failed to set mode: Invalid argument.
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590 [05:26:10] <crimson_king> This seems to be the same bug I'm having: replaced-url
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594 [05:30:15] <jmcnaught> crimson_king: did you try booting with 'nomodeset i915.modeset=0'?
595 [05:30:44] <crimson_king> jmcnaught, no, i'll try that.
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597 [05:30:55] <crimson_king> Did you take a look at the bug report I mentioned?
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600 [05:32:12] <jmcnaught> crimson_king: yeah, if disabling KMS fixes the problem I would consider turning it back on once there's a newer kernel available in buster-backports (might be a while)
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606 [05:33:46] <alexandros_tab> jmcnaught: firmware-realtek does not support RTL8811AU/8812AU
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612 [05:34:39] <fraktor> So I'm trying to move things from my /tmp directory to a different directory, and those might be on a different partition. It's causing os.Rename to fail. Do I just have to recursively copy all those files myself, or is there a function that already does that?
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621 [05:36:01] <fraktor> Oops sorry, wrong channel.
622 [05:37:46] <crimson_king> jmcnaught, I booted with nomodeset, now LightDM is in a failed state.
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624 [05:38:07] <crimson_king> Same symptoms. Black screen on TTY 7.
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626 [05:39:55] <crimson_king> Running startx then, gives a Connection Refused. Server error. and quits.
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629 [05:41:02] <crimson_king> Xorg.0.log says "Cannot run in framebuffer mode"
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631 [05:42:40] <jmcnaught> alexandros_tab: re: your original question, do you have linux-headers-amd64 installed?
632 [05:42:52] <finn0> I'm using `deb.debian.org` address in my source.list file which always resolves to Cloudfront address which I don't want to use. So, replace `deb.debian.org` with `cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org` in source.list file as suggested on deb.debian.org website.
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635 [05:43:29] <finn0> But, seems like `cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org` doesn't support https connection. Whom should I contact to request setup TLS/SSL?
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637 [05:45:16] <jmcnaught> crimson_king: you looked at all the other ttys for lightdm? gdm runs on tty1 for me, I don't know if that's just a gdm thing.
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639 [05:45:36] <crimson_king> jmcnaught, yes, all ttys are free, except tty 7, which is a black screen
640 [05:45:49] <crimson_king> if I start lightdm service now, I am redirected to tty 7
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678 [06:16:40] <william> so what do I need to listen to atc using liveatc.net firefox
679 [06:18:35] <annadane> is it not working already? do you have pulseaudio installed?
680 [06:18:44] <annadane> i think that's required for firefox sound these days
681 [06:19:00] <william> and also to watch weather radar on noaa.gov
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683 [06:19:27] <annadane> again, can you not do that now? have you tried it?
684 [06:19:28] <william> annadane: so I need to install pulseaudio
685 [06:19:39] <annadane> for sound i believe so, yes
686 [06:19:41] <annadane> could be wrong
687 [06:19:56] <annadane> sound in firefox specifically i mean
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689 [06:21:58] <william> ok it is already installed apparently
690 [06:22:29] <SpeedyG> hm I dunno, after upgrade to buster I dont get any sound on liveatc.net either... youtube works though
691 [06:24:10] <annadane> yeah i'm not sure then
692 [06:24:42] <SpeedyG> dont have any time to look into it though.. overslept and am late already :( gotta go
693 [06:26:25] <william> ok thanks guys
694 [06:26:33] <william> goodnight
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721 [06:53:52] <CrazyTux> can Debian be made as easy as Ubuntu or Mint? I need to install the latest version of Debian stable for casual end users, newbies.
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723 [06:54:54] <CrazyTux> I have Mint 19.1 installed on my laptop now. But, of late it is freezing a lot.
724 [06:55:06] <CrazyTux> I want to try Debian 10
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733 [07:02:38] <sedrosken> I think there are some unofficial images floating around with the nonfree firmwares they'd probably need
734 [07:03:22] <sedrosken> ... hoping I won't get punished for mentioning those
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739 [07:13:08] <awal1> CrazyTux, what you mean by "EASY"?
740 [07:13:31] <awal1> easy is vague...
741 [07:13:38] <CrazyTux> awal1: easy to install and use
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744 [07:13:50] <CrazyTux> for a non technical casual end user.
745 [07:13:57] <CrazyTux> who has been using Windows
746 [07:14:06] <awal1> it is already easy
747 [07:15:03] <awal1> automated default install is almost next, next, next...
748 [07:15:41] <awal1> if you connect your machine to internet during install, more easy will be
749 [07:16:10] <awal1> if you use an unofficial image it will be even more easy
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751 [07:16:25] <awal1> dpkg: firmware image
752 [07:16:26] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
753 [07:16:28] <CrazyTux> ok
754 [07:17:25] <awal1> use ^
755 [07:18:40] <CrazyTux> after installing how can I make it look as easy as Mint or Ubuntu?
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757 [07:20:38] <awal1> read docs
758 [07:20:53] <awal1> google stuff
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765 [07:23:58] <CrazyTux> ok
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768 [07:25:35] <awal1> you can make mint desktop as linuxmint but not as ubuntu
769 [07:26:05] <awal1> ubuntu uses unity desktop, not available in debian
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771 [07:26:42] <awal1> dpkg: unity
772 [07:26:42] <dpkg> Unity is a shell interface for <GNOME>, part of the Ayatana project. <RFP> filed as Debian bug #609278. replaced-url
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774 [07:28:46] <Unit193> Ubuntu uses gnome-shell now, actually.
775 [07:28:48] <CrazyTux> awal1: which DE shall I choose? which will be the most suitable?
776 [07:29:58] <awal1> Unit193, ubuntu abandonned unity so? and switched officially to gnome?
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778 [07:31:02] <CrazyTux> how about Sparky Linux, a Debian testing based distro?
779 [07:31:03] <Unit193> awal1: Sometime last year, yeah. Though Unity is now a community project because it seems someone wanted to keep it around. :P
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781 [07:31:22] <awal1> ok, ok
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785 [07:32:30] <CrazyTux> or even MX Linux.
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787 [07:33:26] <awal1> dpkg:#debian
788 [07:33:26] <dpkg> well, #debian is home sweet home! :)
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790 [07:33:53] <awal1> this is a channel for debian only
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792 [07:34:05] <awal1> not for a vs b
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840 [08:02:05] <Rico> hello
841 [08:02:15] <Rico> is there an iso image of debian 9 arm64 ?
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843 [08:03:57] <Rico> got it ! replaced-url
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904 [08:43:39] <diogenes_> wow, international space station is using debian: replaced-url
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921 [08:55:01] <at0m> diogenes_: 2013 ;p
922 [08:56:13] <at0m> "the astronauts will now move to using Debian 6 — while Debian 7 is already available"
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927 [08:57:36] <diogenes_> at0m, i know but anyway it's a great thing to know.
928 [08:57:58] <at0m> :)
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945 [09:15:16] <franbird> so i'm hopeless at linux
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947 [09:15:31] <franbird> what would be the easiest way to get the latest stable squid version onto a little vps i'm using?
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949 [09:16:35] <ratrace> franbird: apt install squid, will get you to 4.6 on buster
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951 [09:17:29] <franbird> i think my vps provider only has 9.4 available atm
952 [09:17:54] <ratrace> well you can upgrade to buster
953 [09:17:55] <franbird> is it easy to do an upgrade from 9 to 10?
954 [09:18:25] <dionysus69> yes
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956 [09:18:32] <dionysus69> /etc/apt/sources.list
957 [09:18:38] <dionysus69> change all mention of stretch to buster
958 [09:18:46] <dionysus69> then apt-get update
959 [09:18:59] <franbird> ok i can probably do that
960 [09:18:59] <ratrace> franbird: replaced-url
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962 [09:19:22] <ratrace> there's issues to be aware in the document, and a how to on recommended upgrade process
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970 [09:26:40] <superlinux> hello. my keyboard layout switcher key does not work for both layouts on the right ALT+ Right shift. they made it like for English you have to press left Alt+ left shift. and for Arabic right ALT and Right shift... I mean this is annoying. I want them both layout on the right
971 [09:26:45] <franbird> ok done, dionysus69
972 [09:26:51] <superlinux> so how can I change it?
973 [09:27:02] <superlinux> I use debian buster
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975 [09:27:31] <superlinux> and also the $PATH in user root does not contain the /sbin folders
976 [09:28:05] <superlinux> I fixed the $PATH , it's easy and I know it
977 [09:28:28] <superlinux> I upgraded to Buster because it's the current release
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997 [09:38:20] <ratrace> franbird: did you read the document i linked; in particular chapter four?
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1045 [10:14:35] <braingain> hi i was just checking my atd job i scheduled for the night and sadly i come to see it hasnt run
1046 [10:15:05] <braingain> when i list the queue its still there even though schedule time is in the past right now: 2 Tue Jul 16 03:00:00 2019 a command
1047 [10:15:30] <braingain> thats weird and atd is running. can somebody explain this behaviour or help me in debugging it?
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1057 [10:20:55] <braingain> thats my date Tue Jul 16 10:20:46 CEST 2019
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1167 [11:40:52] <colo-work> what do you people use to summarize busy maillogs? (I'm using postfix, amavis, and dovecot)
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1176 [11:48:26] <sssop> hey
1177 [11:49:06] <sssop> when I did apt-get update on my Debian 8 machine I got following error
1178 [11:49:09] <sssop> W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:AA8E81B4331F7F50
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1180 [11:49:17] <sssop> how can I fix it? Does it mean, that this pub key expired?
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1184 [11:51:35] <sssop> when I try to fetch it, it says gpgkeys: key AA8E81B4331F7F50 can't be retrieved
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1189 [11:55:06] <JTDoc> what would make it so i cannot sftp to a server as root, even when i can login via ssh
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1202 [12:04:12] <BCMM> JTDoc: not having the sftp subsystem available/enabled on the server
1203 [12:04:34] <JTDoc> any guides on how to check for that?
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1205 [12:04:52] <BCMM> what ssh server are you using?
1206 [12:06:03] <BCMM> *typically*, dropbear is installed without sftp, and openssh is installed with sftp. (but you can add sftp support to dropbear or disable sftp in openssh's config)
1207 [12:07:32] <BCMM> JTDoc: if openssh, look for a line like this in ssd_config: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server
1208 [12:07:45] <JTDoc> im using a linux vps and i installed their debian 9,
1209 [12:07:54] <BCMM> if it's missing or commented, you won't get sftp
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1211 [12:07:58] <JTDoc> BCMM: i found it and commented it out
1212 [12:08:04] <BCMM> why did you comment it out?
1213 [12:08:07] <JTDoc> it was uncommented,
1214 [12:08:18] <BCMM> that line needs to be present for sftp support
1215 [12:08:29] <JTDoc> ok
1216 [12:08:37] <BCMM> sftp support is a separate module that ssh needs to be able to find
1217 [12:08:48] <JTDoc> hmm i might be a idiot
1218 [12:08:53] <JTDoc> 1 min
1219 [12:08:53] <BCMM> put that line back in, and check if the file referenced actually exists
1220 [12:09:04] <JTDoc> lol
1221 [12:09:04] <BCMM> if it doesn't exist, you probably need to install openssh-sftp-server
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1223 [12:09:09] <JTDoc> i was using the wrong freaking password
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1225 [12:09:34] <JTDoc> thank you, glad i didnt keep that commented
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1235 [12:15:19] <humpled> JTDoc: wait password login as root?!
1236 [12:15:55] <at0m> ouch
1237 [12:16:16] <JTDoc> ya i know, but im just getting started and im still not profected a few things yet ;(
1238 [12:16:19] <ratrace> yeah bad practice
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1243 [12:19:17] <JTDoc> ratrace: again, just getting started doing the basic setup.. thats why im here, when i run into issues while trying to secure this i'm here to ask ;P
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1245 [12:20:42] <jubo2> Does a CPU burn hotter if it is doing calculations at X GHz vs. doing NOP at X GHz ? Trying to balance between putting computational capacity into good use and not wrecking the climate worse.
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1248 [12:22:45] <ratrace> JTDoc: that's okay; obviously the practice is bad enough to have elicited such reaction and now you're wiser for it ;)
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1250 [12:24:15] <ratrace> jubo2: what are you really asking; are you programming something and want to insert nop instructions?
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1252 [12:24:32] <ratrace> besides you're fixing the climate at the wrong end :: consumer instead of production ::
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1254 [12:25:13] <jubo2> ratrace: I'm just trying to figure out if running BOINC on vCPUs consumes more energy compared to mostly just idling
1255 [12:25:39] <JTDoc> ugh i just messed up my freaking apache2 install ;|
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1257 [12:27:01] <Ede|Popede> when it's bored it usually does what people also do, i'd say. it chills at the lowest frequency possible.
1258 [12:28:02] <jubo2> Ede|Popede: that is true for laptop CPUs, but I think the server CPUs run at a locked clock rate ... or not?
1259 [12:29:02] <Ede|Popede> CPU: Topology Dual Core model AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ bits 64 type MCP L2 cache 2048 KiB
1260 [12:29:02] <Ede|Popede> Speed 1000 MHz min/max 1000/3200 MHz Core speeds (MHz) 1 1000 2 1000
1261 [12:29:15] <Ede|Popede> under load they're at 2.4GHz iirc
1262 [12:29:53] <Ede|Popede> but didn't something about that value or about what gets displayes change?
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1264 [12:31:28] <HarmtH> jubo2: Do you mean the instruction NOP?
1265 [12:31:45] <HarmtH> jubo2: because there is a difference between doing nothign and executing NOP
1266 [12:32:02] <jubo2> Yeah.. I'm no pro, but I think the CPU just executes a NOP per clock cycle when it has nothing to do
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1268 [12:32:46] <jubo2> HarmtH: so does a CPU at the same clock rate consume more energy when it is loaded ~ 90% vs. mostly idle?
1269 [12:32:51] <HarmtH> jubo2: No, the OS will put the CPU into sleep, and set a timer to wake-up every couple of microseconds
1270 [12:32:55] <HarmtH> jubo2: As far as I know
1271 [12:33:39] <HarmtH> jubo2: I expect so, underclocking is just one of many ways to reduce power consumption
1272 [12:34:31] <HarmtH> jubo2: The CPU can also power down a big part of it's circuti when it's sleeping
1273 [12:34:33] <oiaohm> You do have to watch it with some cpus as underclocking on some can be in fact way to increase power usage.
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1276 [12:36:05] <oiaohm> HarmtH: the fun of ram clock speed vs cpu clockspeed and other pairing like that. Fast way to underclock and think you are saving power when you are like causing more processing in MMU or IO interfaces or .....
1277 [12:36:20] <oiaohm> so resulting in more power usage.
1278 [12:37:01] <Ede|Popede> about sleep states and acpi > replaced-url
1279 [12:37:09] <ratrace> i don't think the cpu executes nop when there's nothing to do; it simply does nothing; waits for irq or timers to wake up code
1280 [12:37:19] <jubo2> If I do 'stress -c 4' on a laptop with 2 cores and 2 hyperthreads per core and measure the electricity consumption I can see how much more it uses. Is there a way to lock the clockrate to see what part of the energy consumption increase is to do with the clockrate and what with actual calculation going on?
1281 [12:37:59] <oiaohm> ratrace: if you get into some of the embedded chips some do require you to loop though nops or the like.
1282 [12:38:30] <ratrace> jubo2: i think you're overthinking this; the cpu manages its own power according to load it's given; ie. it'll spend less electricity if does less
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1284 [12:39:04] <ratrace> jubo2: and yes you can lock with cpufreq but you'll have to set that governor, default is pstate on intel cpus
1285 [12:39:18] <jubo2> ratrace: thanks for info
1286 [12:39:19] <oiaohm> ratrace: its a stupid one where some embedded chips will autosleep on all bar one of their interrupts if it has no instructions to process.
1287 [12:39:47] <oiaohm> ratrace: those chips are better to clock as slow as possible and run nops.
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1291 [12:41:50] <oiaohm> jubo2: really it depends on the cpu. Some cpus you lower the volatage supply and they automatically restrict their clock speed to match that.
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1293 [12:43:25] <oiaohm> jubo2: and there is more than 1 clock inside your cpu. You have your cpu clock, your io clocks and your mmu clocks. So when you lock a clock rate things can get really simple to get those clocks miss matched.
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1298 [12:45:32] <ratrace> there goes that overthinking; let's assume this is an x86 intel or amd, in a laptop, on which jubo2 wants to run boinc
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1301 [12:45:57] * ratrace politely nudges jubo2 to confirm or deny
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1304 [12:47:11] <ratrace> so for intel/amd it is :: in vast vast majority of cases, especially generations of past several years :: safe to lock frequency with cpufreq, as long as it's just that and nobody's messing with voltage or multipliers or whatever in bios
1305 [12:49:04] <oiaohm> ratrace: the clock clash leading to extra power usage happens with amd and intel. You notice the auto does not drop in most chips under X speed as a running speed. Lot cases go under that have you MMU/Bus needing to run at incompadilbe speed to cpu cores so magic power usage groth.
1306 [12:49:11] <oiaohm> groth/growth.
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1309 [12:51:01] <oiaohm> Playing with settings to save power there is such thing as going to far attempting to save power.
1310 [12:51:25] <ratrace> i don't concern myself with that low level of detail; i only care if my fan spins up or not and if it's too loud; and for the vast majority of cases when I take notice, if i'm not gaming, the fan is quiet, cpu temp is right now 31C, frq around 800MHz
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1313 [12:52:30] <ratrace> "save power" and "runing boinc" are seldom part of the same sentence however
1314 [12:54:06] <at0m> ratrace: OP's concern was more of "will it use extra power" when "running boinc"
1315 [12:54:24] <humpled> i wonder what the production pollution cost of the laptop is compared to its running cost
1316 [12:54:30] <ratrace> "extra" compared to .... not running boinc?
1317 [12:54:36] <at0m> ratrace: right
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1319 [12:55:10] <at0m> ratrace: < jubo2> HarmtH: so does a CPU at the same clock rate consume more energy when it is loaded ~ 90% vs. mostly idle?
1320 [12:55:34] <humpled> eg. for a car, about a quarter of the lifetime carbon is produced in production
1321 [12:55:47] <humpled> so underusing something can be very inefficient
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1325 [12:57:41] <ratrace> at0m: yes but i was talking about "safety" to lock cpu at a given frequency
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1327 [12:58:23] <oiaohm> humpled: depend on the laptop. Laptops that get a 3-4 year life mostly cost more in production and recycling than the power usage in operation.
1328 [12:58:41] <humpled> if the laptop's lifetime is 5 years, more than half at least
1329 [12:59:09] <oiaohm> humpled: you are underestmating the cost to make and recycle.
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1331 [12:59:33] <humpled> didn't we just agree?
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1334 [12:59:48] <sysmox> hi there, short question: my laptop's motherboard is gonna get replaced, should I take something in consideration or debian will just keep working as expected?
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1337 [13:00:41] <oiaohm> humpled: replaced-url
1338 [13:01:08] <humpled> thanks :)
1339 [13:01:17] <oiaohm> humpled: its more like 70% of the power+ used in the laptop lifespan is making it.
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1342 [13:02:03] <domul> Hello everybody, I'm trying to move several files from subdirectories (each file is in a seperate subdirectory; all subdirectories are in the same parent direcrtory) to the parent directory.Used this command:
1343 [13:02:07] <domul> find . -type f -iname "*.txt" -exec mv '{}' /Volumes/Extreme\ SSD/Math/Calculus/Calc +
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1345 [13:02:27] <domul> getting error message <find: -exec: no terminating ";" or "+">
1346 [13:02:50] <oiaohm> This gets worse as laptops are having to get more power effective because FAA sets a 100KWH battery limit per device. This works out to about a 90KWH battery when you adverage it usage from its best to it worst.
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1348 [13:03:37] <ratrace> kilo watt hour? kilo? laptop? nah.
1349 [13:04:11] <oiaohm> humpled: basically the battery size in laptops is set in stone. Production cost in power is almost also set in stone. Power used while the laptop is running to do the same hours work is reducing. So result we are heading to 90% of a laptop power usage in it live be making it.
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1353 [13:06:04] <humpled> maybe 100 Wh
1354 [13:06:20] <humpled> shame
1355 [13:06:41] <humpled> every laptop i've had, i wanted a bigger battery, and all of the batteries died anyway
1356 [13:07:14] <Jck_true> humpled: Just opt for a low power CPU...
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1358 [13:08:26] <humpled> find exec is weird
1359 [13:08:36] <humpled> you need \; on the end
1360 [13:09:01] <humpled> and maybe double quotes for the parameter
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1368 [13:11:38] <domul> humpled: I tried the forward slash ... had no effect
1369 [13:12:09] <domul> double quotes - same
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1371 [13:12:26] <diogenes_> domul, what's the issue?
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1373 [13:12:39] <sysmox> domul: have you tried find . -exec [cmd] {} +; ?
1374 [13:12:41] <domul> Hello everybody, I'm trying to move several files from subdirectories (each file is in a seperate subdirectory; all subdirectories are in the same parent direcrtory) to the parent directory.Used this command:
1375 [13:12:48] <domul> find . -type f -iname "*.txt" -exec mv '{}' /Volumes/Extreme\ SSD/Math/Calculus/Calc +
1376 [13:12:53] <domul> getting error message <find: -exec: no terminating ";" or "+">
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1378 [13:13:10] <sysmox> try to add ; at the end
1379 [13:13:26] <domul> @sysmax not did not yet.
1380 [13:13:38] <domul> same result
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1385 [13:16:11] <sysmox> domul: find . -type f -iname "*.txt" | xargs -I {} mv {} "/Volumes/Extreme SSD/Math/Calculus/Calc"
1386 [13:16:42] <sysmox> if it doesn't work, paste the error you get
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1389 [13:18:18] <diogenes_> domul, i once had to search my directory for any *.doc file and, once found, it was copied to a target directory, so this is the exact command that did the trick for me:
1390 [13:18:20] <diogenes_> find . -type f -name '*.doc' -exec cp --target-directory=/home/username/Desktop/ {} +
1391 [13:19:43] <HarmtH> domul: try find . -type f -iname "*.txt" -exec mv '{}' /Volumes/Extreme\ SSD/Math/Calculus/Calc/ ';'
1392 [13:19:57] <domul> @Sysmax it did work ! AWESOME ! Thank you !!
1393 [13:20:04] <oiaohm> humpled: one of the updates on laptops I have seen a laptop that is prior generation had 10 hours of battery life and the new one has 16 hours both have exactly the same 90KWH battery in them.
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1395 [13:20:37] <sysmox> domul: great, you're welcome
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1397 [13:21:49] <oiaohm> humpled: so longer operating is not coming from bigger battery its now coming from improved silicon of course that cutting the power consume over its life time by over 1/3. This is why we are heading to 90 percent of the power usage is going to be laptop production.
1398 [13:22:46] <HarmtH> domul: You're issue was that with the '+' syntax, the '{}' has to come right before the '+'
1399 [13:23:09] <HarmtH> domul: With the ';' syntax, '{}' can be put everywhere, and specified multiple times if needed
1400 [13:23:49] <HarmtH> *Your
1401 [13:24:07] <oiaohm> humpled: unless we some how manage to use laptops for like 50+ years to get to 50/50 between usage and production. Parts in laptops normally break without replacements well before that.
1402 [13:24:09] <domul> hm .. ? The version sysmax posted above had neither ; nor + So Idid add actually the + at the end, and it worked as such
1403 [13:24:29] <HarmtH> domul: sysmox didn't use -exec
1404 [13:24:46] <HarmtH> domul: He just let find list the files and used xargs to execute another command
1405 [13:24:55] <domul> no. But that was the version Iused and that worked . with xarg
1406 [13:25:27] <domul> Ok. Gotcha. So I will also try your version with exec. Thank you
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1409 [13:26:25] <sysmox> that's right, I prefer to pipe it to xargs. some explanation here: replaced-url
1410 [13:27:35] <domul> I had thought about using pipe operator - but didn't know xarg command yet. I will look into that very much in detail
1411 [13:27:56] <HarmtH> sysmox: That's a bit of an unfair comparison
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1414 [13:28:31] <domul> ;-) No need to argue gentlemen. I'm very happy about the options. Thank you both.
1415 [13:28:39] <HarmtH> sysmox: His find command starts a process per file, the xargs one passes all files to one process
1416 [13:29:02] <HarmtH> sysmox: That's exactly what finds -exec {} + is for
1417 [13:29:10] <HarmtH> sysmox: Instaed of find -exec {} ;
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1419 [13:29:28] <domul> Gotta run now; just logged in on private laptop during lunchbreak. But I'll be back, and hopefully be able to answer questions myself soon. Have a great day all !
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1421 [13:29:53] <HarmtH> sysmox: But find is a bit limited as the {} has to come at the end of the command
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1423 [13:30:23] <HarmtH> sysmox: With the '+' style
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1433 [13:32:50] <z8z> What is MiniSSDPd for? During the debian upgrade i'm being asked if enable at system startup or not.
1434 [13:33:37] <diogenes_> what is the prffered and recommended way to add your user to a group, is it: sudo adduser username groupname or usermod -a -G groupname username
1435 [13:33:43] <diogenes_> preffered*
1436 [13:34:01] <ratrace> i prefer usermod
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1439 [13:34:54] <diogenes_> ratrace, ok thanks, i'm asking because no adduser no usermod are installed by default on debian 10 so maybe they have something else.
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1446 [13:37:34] <sedrosken> i just use gpasswd, is there any special reason i shouldn't?
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1450 [13:40:16] <diogenes_> sedrosken, yeah it's confusing a bit, you have plenty of ways to do it, userdd, adduser, usermod, gpasswd.
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1460 [13:45:35] <ratrace> usermod is very much installed by default, it's in /sbin/
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1468 [13:51:27] <Ede|Popede> adduser and addgroup […] are friendlier front ends to the low level tools like useradd, groupadd and usermod programs, by default choosing Debian policy conformant UID and GID values --- [and doing some extra other stuff]. and addgroup is a symlink to the shell adduser perl script. so they're the easy way out if nothing special is wanted.
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1472 [13:52:13] <sedrosken> well, literally all I did was add my user to the sudo group and get on with my life, so as long as i manage not to screw that up I think I'm okay on gpasswd
1473 [13:52:28] <diogenes_> Ede|Popede, i see.
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1479 [13:57:53] <ratrace> diogenes_: btw usermod and other user* and group* commands are installed by default, via passwd package
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1482 [13:58:24] <diogenes_> ratrace, yes by bad, i figured, i thought it was a standalone binary.
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1504 [14:12:08] <jal`> hi, i'm not getting any sound in chromium and opera. works in mpv and mpd. using hda nvidia
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1516 [14:20:05] <soul-d> jal`, if you got pulseaudio you can check there if it switched to some internal audio device and select your nvidia output if it's not on that
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1519 [14:21:51] <diogenes_> soul-d, you mean pavucontrol?
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1522 [14:22:39] <soul-d> ah yes i mean that
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1533 [14:30:46] <GenTooMan> note it looks like you can just install eclipse (photon? now it's 2019-06 ... expiration date now?) in buster using the eclipse provided installer without issue. JDK 11 needs to be installed for Java. In any case it does appear to have an issue with JDK 8 not being installed like prior versions. Eclipse market place is a different matter.
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1544 [14:43:40] <ghormoon> wow, i just figured out why some of my things started behaving very strange. i was using sudo in some scripts ... which after dist-upgrade took ages ... turned out it was because dist-upgrade changed my hostname (it had _ in it before, it ot removed), so it didn't match /etc/hosts and just waited for timeouts
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1575 [15:05:48] <enri> hello
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1589 [15:14:08] <jal`> pavucontrol worked thanks
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1604 [15:34:03] <enoq> any idea if the debian 10 upgrade requires you to adjust postfix/dovecot configs?
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1606 [15:34:42] <colo-work> that depends _a lot_ on your settings. I did not have to change anything on either, but my configuration is rather vanilla.
1607 [15:34:53] <enoq> vanilla as well
1608 [15:35:03] <enoq> + spamassassin, opendkim and spf
1609 [15:35:09] <enoq> basically what you need these days
1610 [15:35:51] <colo-work> I did not need to touch opendkim and amavis/SA when going from stretch to buster either
1611 [15:36:05] <colo-work> spf is purely DNS-based, do your distro should not matter
1612 [15:36:14] <colo-work> (unless you mean a program that I do not know)
1613 [15:36:16] <enoq> incoming spf
1614 [15:36:27] <enoq> basically for spam prevention
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1627 [15:42:20] <karlpinc> enoq: Depending on how old your postfix config is you might want to consider updating the config and turning off backwards compatiblity, just so you're keeping up. See compatibility_level in "man 5 postconf".
1628 [15:42:41] <enoq> thanks
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1632 [15:46:18] <gregor2> I cant get kvm support running for qemu. /proc/cpuinfo gives svm at the flags and if i type "info kvm" in qemu i get : "kvm support disabled".
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1636 [15:49:45] <jmcnaught> gregor2: virtualization support disabled in firmware/BIOS?
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1639 [15:51:01] <themill> gregor2: can you explain what you mean by «type "info kvm" in qemu» some more? What architecture are you emulating?
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1672 [16:06:59] <centrix> We have join Active Directory and verified the join. OK. Now I want to clone the machine and join under its different name + IP. Will there be troubles? Thank you.
1673 [16:07:38] <centrix> The join was performed via "net ads join" = samba, not kerberos.
1674 [16:09:01] <karlpinc> !debian clone
1675 [16:09:01] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
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1683 [16:12:09] <centrix> karlpinc, what about custom SW + config etc? The package system does not know, does it?
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1707 [16:27:59] <jhutchins_wk> centrix: You can build your own packages and the system will be aware of them.
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1710 [16:30:17] <GenTooMan> my x session has had 2 termination events since upgrading to buster this time I caught the session dumps it appears a jump to a null pointer or reference to one is the fault from "[416018.337] (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0x0" suggestions of what to do? apart from say "what the heck"
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1712 [16:30:49] <centrix> jhutchins_wk, I did so on RHEL/CentOS, but I am new to Debian. We have a chance to easily clone under VMWare. The trouble is not IP, hostname + a few more things, but I do not know if samba caches AD joins etc.
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1716 [16:32:37] <greycat> GenTooMan: which process is seg faulting? Xorg, or the session manager, or the window manager...?
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1721 [16:34:05] <Raven737> Hi, I downloaded the debian 10.0 non-free x64 iso cd image and wrote this to a usb stick. I am now trying to run the non-gui installer (expert install?) but I am getting error that there was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. The download page states copying to usb should work. Am I doing something wrong?
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1724 [16:35:57] <NetTerminalGene> Raven737, where do you get error? you can use live environment, or can't even boot?
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1726 [16:36:26] <NetTerminalGene> veryfy the iso
1727 [16:36:53] <Raven737> NetTerminalGene: I can boot and get the menu, i get the error on the step "Load installer components from CD". Ok, will verify iso now, good idea, thanks you
1728 [16:37:20] <GenTooMan> greycat looks to be Xorg: [416018.314] (EE) 16: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (InitFonts+0x3b6) [0x563c0b1e4956]
1729 [16:37:20] <GenTooMan> [416018.336] (EE) 17: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xeb) [0x7f9fa3a2c09b]
1730 [16:37:20] <GenTooMan> [416018.336] (EE) 18: /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg (_start+0x2a) [0x563c0b1ce67a]
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1733 [16:37:35] <humpled> what exactly is meant by 'wrote to' and 'copying to'?
1734 [16:38:11] <greycat> Then I guess you file the bug report against xserver-xorg (and if it turns out to be more specific, like a driver or whatever, the X team can reassign it).
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1736 [16:38:44] <centrix> Is debian going to provide thttp package at all?
1737 [16:39:16] <GenTooMan> greycat all right sounds like a better plan than "what the heck"
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1742 [16:40:35] <Raven737> humpled: dd iso to usb
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1744 [16:41:19] <Raven737> hash missmatch, ok, download again x(
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1751 [16:43:57] <NetTerminalGene> Raven737, use torrent
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1755 [16:46:34] <Raven737> NetTerminalGene: would like to use bt, can't, at work, have to use http proxy etc. http download is very slow so I tried a downloader that downloads multiple parts at the same time, that was fast but apparently not it skipped something :/
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1760 [16:48:17] <Raven737> NetTerminalGene: I guess I just have to wait.... Thank you for the help and good suggestions!
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1814 [17:22:13] <centrix> I have a thttpd unit defining the daemon's pid file, but the systemd is complaining "thttpd.service: Can't open PID file /run/thttpd.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory"
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1817 [17:23:10] <centrix> The file is NOT there after the thttpd has stopped. Do I have to create the PID file before the daemon starts?
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1819 [17:24:17] <centrix> The same unit file I am using on CentOS without complains.
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1823 [17:26:07] <ratrace> centrix: look at the daemon config itself, if there's an option where to put the pidfile
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1825 [17:26:57] <greycat> *shudder*
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1831 [17:29:19] <jhutchins_wk> centrix: It could be permissions on /run
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1834 [17:30:56] <ratrace> thusly pidfiles should be in /run/<service>/... if you need it at all. they're a relic from the past and unless you're forking, you don't need them
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1842 [17:35:15] <centrix> The unit file is like this:
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1844 [17:35:15] <centrix> * ganny has quit ()
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1846 [17:35:34] <centrix> The unit file is like this: replaced-url
1847 [17:36:11] <centrix> Actually I used one from CentOS 7 as a template.
1848 [17:36:25] <centrix> I may replace /var/run with simple /run
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1857 [17:38:57] <ratrace> centrix: check that the service unit and thttpd.conf use the same path for the pidfile; then depending on when the pidfile is created (before or after dropping privs), you might need to configure runtime directory under /run/thttpd via tmpfiles or something
1858 [17:39:09] <humpled> hmm, /var/run is a symlink to /run on my debian 9, and /run is on a tmpfs
1859 [17:39:28] <ratrace> it's like that on most if not all systemd distros
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1868 [17:41:36] <centrix> I changed /var/run to /run. The same story.
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1872 [17:43:05] <ratrace> centrix: is that where the pidfile is supposed to be?
1873 [17:43:23] <centrix> Could be. Why not if it is configurable.
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1875 [17:43:46] <ratrace> centrix: configurable where? there are two places
1876 [17:44:11] <centrix> The unit file: /usr/lib/systemd/system/thttpd.service
1877 [17:44:15] <centrix> For instance.
1878 [17:44:40] <ratrace> centrix: that doesn't configure where thttpd will put it, only where systemd will read it from, for Type=forking
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1887 [17:48:35] <greycat> Debian uses /lib/systemd/ by the way, rather than /usr/lib/systemd/ (unless you did the usrmerge thing or installed buster fresh).
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1891 [17:49:50] <Yukiteru> greycat: buster used usrmerge??
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1894 [17:50:06] <annadane> on fresh installs i believe so, yes
1895 [17:50:15] <annadane> i think if you upgrade from stretch it isn't there
1896 [17:50:19] <greycat> correct
1897 [17:50:42] <greycat> replaced-url
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1906 [17:54:06] <centrix> greycat, that does not say much. By the way there are many unit file there. It it was to move there would NOT bu many of them. Why if you have already planned to move. Files like systemd-udevd.service for instance.
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1908 [17:54:58] <greycat> My whole point was /usr/lib/systemd/ doesn't exist unless you did a fresh buster install (NOT an upgrade), or you performed the optional usrmerge.
1909 [17:55:03] <ratrace> centrix: thttpd.conf has pidfile option; is that path the same as the service unit's? systemd must be told about the path which is configured by thttpd.conf primarily
1910 [17:55:21] <centrix> The complain about the missing pidfile comes from systemd. I added the pifile option in the thttpd's config file. Still complains from the same guy.
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1912 [17:55:45] <centrix> And if I stop the service it fall into the failed state.
1913 [17:55:54] <greycat> ... and then I go and look and discover that I'm half wrong. /usr/lib/systemd/ does exist; it's just mostly bare. However, /usr/lib/systemd/system/ does NOT exist. So I'm right about THAT half.
1914 [17:56:22] <greycat> Also PID files are an abomination.
1915 [17:56:44] <ratrace> agreed
1916 [17:57:00] <greycat> If you're writing your own systemd service file for this thing, don't bother using a PID file unless for some reason it's required by stuff outside of systemd.
1917 [17:58:20] <centrix> greycat, I do not want to argue ... :) If it is not needed, well, away with it (in the unit file). I'll leave it set in the conf file though.
1918 [17:58:24] <ratrace> agreed as well; run it as Type=simple, configure httpd not to daemonize; i would also run it as non-root and use systemd User=, Group= options and AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE to allow binding to ports 80, 443
1919 [17:59:01] <centrix> It actually runs as "nobody" in the background.
1920 [17:59:14] <ratrace> that's bad, nothing should use 'nobody'
1921 [17:59:23] <greycat> a more debianesque approach would be to run it as replaced-url
1922 [17:59:38] <centrix> That is just for starters. It has run for just about an hour :)
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1924 [17:59:48] <centrix> replaced-url
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1926 [18:00:08] <greycat> I'd either use replaced-url
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1928 [18:00:13] <ratrace> sounds like you're imposing centos idiosyncrasies to debian
1929 [18:00:19] <centrix> :)
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1932 [18:00:42] <centrix> That is my background. No wonder ... but I accept objects :)
1933 [18:00:46] <centrix> objections
1934 [18:01:21] <centrix> greycat, replaced-url
1935 [18:01:49] <greycat> replaced-url
1936 [18:02:07] <greycat> your UID/GID values may differ
1937 [18:02:13] <centrix> Its there in a sec...
1938 [18:02:18] <centrix> Sure
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1942 [18:04:06] <centrix> greycat, the UID/GID values are the same.
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1944 [18:05:17] <enoq> upgrading php on debian is a pain as always
1945 [18:05:21] <enoq> in buster
1946 [18:05:26] <enoq> why can't it simply remove 7.0
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1949 [18:06:17] <ratrace> ye gods, this reads like A Compendium of Sysadmin's Haloween and other Short Stories of Horror and Macabre ::: replaced-url
1950 [18:06:23] <greycat> I'm guessing it's the same reason stretch->buster didn't remove 5.whatever. Your application may not be ready for 7.3 so you're given the option to migrate at your own time.
1951 [18:07:00] <greycat> err... I meant jessie->stretch didn't remove 5.whatever
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1956 [18:09:56] <han-solo> how long would it take for debian 9 to install fron netinstall given a good internet connection ? And KDE
1957 [18:09:56] <centrix> greycat, Finito. Thanks all.
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1962 [18:12:06] <centrix> One more thing. The AppArmor is enabled (aa-status: Yes). The thttpd unit still falls into its failed state. Could it be because of that?
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1965 [18:13:08] <enoq> greycat: yeah, but then simply don't update to buster
1966 [18:13:20] <enoq> or use docker
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1970 [18:13:57] <ratrace> centrix: not if there's no apparmor profile for it, and there probably isn't
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1973 [18:14:28] <centrix> ratrace, Nope, for that is a custom install and I did not define.
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1976 [18:15:04] <ratrace> centrix: yeah that's why i assumed
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1980 [18:16:08] <centrix> ratrace, thx
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1984 [18:17:45] <enoq> btw, was postgres automatically upgraded?
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1986 [18:18:05] <fra> flurg!
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1998 [18:23:13] <jhutchins_wk> ,v postfix
1999 [18:23:14] <judd> Package: postfix on amd64 -- jessie: 2.11.3-1+deb8u2; stretch: 3.1.12-0+deb9u1; bullseye: 3.4.5-1; buster: 3.4.5-1; sid: 3.4.5-1
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2001 [18:23:26] <jhutchins_wk> ,v postgres
2002 [18:23:27] <judd> No package named 'postgres' was found in amd64.
2003 [18:24:27] <mason> ,v postgresql
2004 [18:24:28] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u1; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u2; buster: 11+200+deb10u1; bullseye: 11+203; sid: 11+203
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2011 [18:28:12] <jhutchins_wk> Wonder what happened to 10.
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2014 [18:31:46] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: shorter lifecycle; basically postgres now took one version dimension out, so 10 was what 9.7 would've been, 11 what 9.8 would've, ...
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2016 [18:32:43] <ratrace> so bullseye will likely release with postgres 13, or 14
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2019 [18:33:27] <ratrace> actually... 15 or 16
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2073 [19:10:45] <mrus> hey there! Is there a way to force a package to re-run all its pre/postinst scripts?
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2076 [19:11:11] <xbow> mrus: yes sure
2077 [19:11:19] <xbow> mrus: dpkg-reconfigure
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2080 [19:12:23] <mrus> xbow: I tried that one, however, it didn't seem like it really ran everything. Background: I deleted /var/lib/postgresql and the according postgres user.. now I re-installed postgres but the user and that specific direcftion are still missing.
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2082 [19:12:37] <mrus> dpk-reconfigure didn't bring them back either.
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2085 [19:13:06] <xbow> mrus: did you apt-get --reinstall install foobar
2086 [19:13:12] <mrus> yup
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2088 [19:13:36] <mrus> tried that as well.. I even pruged all postgre packages and autoremoved all unsued deps before I performed a reinstall.
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2093 [19:16:39] <mrus> there seem to be no way of bringing back the postgres user (apart from probably manually adding it)
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2165 [19:56:15] <jim> when upgrading from stretch to buster, do I do just apt dist-upgrade, or should I run apt upgrade first? if yes, what does the apt upgrade step do?
2166 [19:56:28] <greycat> dpkg, stretch->buster
2167 [19:56:29] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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2169 [19:57:14] <jim> greycat, ok, so that's a yes... what does it do differently?
2170 [19:57:17] <greycat> In general, "upgrade" lets it do a few of the small, easy pieces and get them out of the way.
2171 [19:57:59] <greycat> Presumably the people who wrote the release notes either figured it was better to be safe and continue using the traditional three-step way, or they actually tested it and had better results this way.
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2173 [19:58:20] <greycat> You could hunt them down and ask them.
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2175 [19:58:35] <jim> got the long guns? :)
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2179 [20:00:02] <jim> I already made sure the machine's stretch install is uptodate, rebooted into 4.9.0-9 and removed all other kernels
2180 [20:00:08] <rwp> jim, 'upgrade' does not allow the named list of installed packages to change. New new dependencies can be added. No obsolete dependencies removed.
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2182 [20:00:27] <Monodroid> Hi. I want to thank all the Heros out there who develop the best Free OS in the world! replaced-url
2183 [20:00:38] <greycat> rwp: almost. "apt-get update" does as you said. "apt update" DOES allow new packages to be installed.
2184 [20:00:41] <jmcnaught> apt-get upgrade doesn't install or remove packages, but apt upgrade can install (but not remove) new packages
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2186 [20:00:50] <greycat> err, upgrade.
2187 [20:01:38] <jim> let's see what happens when I do it that way... to this point I only did dist-upgrade
2188 [20:01:39] <rwp> jmcnaught, So 'apt upgrade' is like 'apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs' then. Which is relatively safe since it won't be removing things due to an obstacle.
2189 [20:01:57] <greycat> rwp: that's one of the differences, yeah
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2194 [20:03:06] <jmcnaught> jim: are you inside a screen session?
2195 [20:03:12] <rwp> jim, If you have already done dist-upgrade and it completed then there should be nothing more for upgrade to do.
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2197 [20:03:46] <jim> jmcnaught, I haven't started the upgrade to buster yet. I could start screen or tmux
2198 [20:03:55] <greycat> if it'
2199 [20:03:56] <rwp> If it completed successfully. If it failed then of course that is a different story.
2200 [20:04:02] <greycat> if it's a remote system, DEFINTELY use screen/tmux.
2201 [20:04:10] <jim> rwp, doing it to the laptop now
2202 [20:04:12] <jmcnaught> jim: it's recommended, there are a few other recommendations you might want to follow in the release notes
2203 [20:04:16] <greycat> the release notes also recommend using script(1)
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2205 [20:04:19] <rwp> I use screen/tmux always even for local upgrades.
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2207 [20:04:46] <jim> well "remote" means "more than 4 feet away" :)
2208 [20:05:13] <rwp> The advantage to script is that later when someone has a problem and comes asking for help and the helpers ask, "What happened?" then the 'typescript' file is a available.
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2212 [20:06:08] <jim> so script fires up a shell that's logged to typescript?
2213 [20:06:15] <rwp> Yes.
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2215 [20:06:39] <rwp> Regarding screen/tmux... NetworkManager has the repeated offense of taking the network offline and then not bringing it back online. Then driving over to the datacenter and getting on the console can attach back to it and bring the network back online manually and then finish the upgrade.
2216 [20:06:42] <greycat> Essentially, yeah... there's some inaccuracy in that statement.
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2218 [20:06:53] <greycat> But the end result is that the session is logged in a file.
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2221 [20:08:31] <TheWaffle> Hi! i wish to increase my swap without Rebooting my server. Is this possbile? Also Here is my fstab file and my df -h output replaced-url
2222 [20:08:37] <jim> rwp, I think my car is too heavy to put on an upper floor of the apt bldg... and then I'd only need to drive 6 feet to get to the laptop
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2224 [20:08:56] <greycat> TheWaffle: man swapon
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2226 [20:09:18] <rwp> Then you are in a better shape for the upgrade than most people.
2227 [20:09:32] <TheWaffle> greycat is this the way go here? replaced-url
2228 [20:09:47] <TheWaffle> I don't want to reboot. And I don't want to fuck up my hard drive lmao.
2229 [20:09:48] <rwp> Especially when the datacenter is an hours drive away.
2230 [20:10:25] <greycat> Showing us df -h is not useful. The question is whether you're using LVM or not, whether you have any free space in your volume group if you are ("vgs" command), or whether you have any unallocated space on the hard disk if you're not ("fdisk -l"). If no raw space is available, you could make a swap file.
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2232 [20:11:47] <TheWaffle> replaced-url
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2234 [20:12:37] <raiding> hi
2235 [20:13:15] <greycat> TheWaffle: you have 4 GB unused space in the volume group, so you could use that for a new swap LV.
2236 [20:13:35] <greycat> If you need more than 4 GB, then it's either a swap file, or you start shrinking things.
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2241 [20:16:32] <TheWaffle> greycat Well my ram is 32GB, my swap file is 2GB, it WAS full (not anymore) do I need more swap?
2242 [20:16:57] <rwp> TheWaffle, What problem are you seeing that indicates you need more swap?
2243 [20:17:00] <greycat> If this is about hibernation/sleep/whatever on a laptop, I can't answer. I am not a laptop guy.
2244 [20:17:06] <TheWaffle> It was 2G/2G
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2246 [20:17:21] <TheWaffle> rwp I was seeing it on htop that my swap was full
2247 [20:17:41] <greycat> ... why? what are you doing?
2248 [20:17:44] <TheWaffle> But it's not now. It's 1.66/2GB
2249 [20:17:44] <jim> buster release notes for amd64 gives me page not found
2250 [20:17:50] <rwp> I would say that is a good thing then. The kernel is doing good at moving unused blocks out of ram freeing the ram for other uses.
2251 [20:17:58] <greycat> replaced-url
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2253 [20:18:07] <TheWaffle> Honestly i am only using 6GB of my 32GB ram.
2254 [20:18:17] <TheWaffle> I could make my swap less used probs?
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2257 [20:18:46] <rwp> Why? If the kernel has pushed unused memory blocks out then it is because they are least used and it could use the ram for other better purposes.
2258 [20:19:22] <jim> so someone can fix this pretty easily... I'm looking at replaced-url
2259 [20:19:25] <TheWaffle> Fair. But i have 32GB of ram, 6 is being used.
2260 [20:19:33] <rwp> TheWaffle, Run 'vmstat' and look at the si/so (swap-in/swap-out) rates. If they are less than 2 then I would not worry. If they are greater than 2 then I would add more ram.
2261 [20:19:45] <TheWaffle> More ram? ...uh
2262 [20:19:48] <TheWaffle> No.
2263 [20:19:50] <TheWaffle> :D
2264 [20:20:19] <jim> there found it
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2266 [20:20:38] <greycat> jim: it's not /testing/ any more
2267 [20:20:40] <rwp> Andrew Morton famously has argued to make Linux swapiness preference 100. I am in that camp too.
2268 [20:21:11] <rwp> jim, Testing is bullseye the next release candidate schedule for release two years from now.
2269 [20:21:38] <rwp> Strictly speaking talking about testing should be done in debian-next. :-)
2270 [20:21:40] <greycat> "schedule" is a strong word
2271 [20:21:52] <rwp> It's two years out! That is a fine schedule.
2272 [20:22:08] <TheWaffle> si/bo seems to be at 0
2273 [20:22:12] <TheWaffle> So I'm good then.
2274 [20:22:17] <rwp> Especially when most people have an attention span of... What were we talking about? I forgot.
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2276 [20:22:48] <TheWaffle> Thanks for all of your time :D
2277 [20:22:52] <rwp> TheWaffle, It isn't swapping due to something using more ram than you have and thrashing. Which results in the process running at storage speeds. That's bad if it is.
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2282 [20:23:42] <rwp> Although I think it unusual that you would have all of your swap in use. That's quite unusual. I can't imagine the process events that you went through to have that happen.
2283 [20:23:49] <TheWaffle> rwp Yeah It's swapping for no reason it seems to be. I have 32GB of ram, only 6 is used.
2284 [20:24:13] <TheWaffle> But also I run a game server called factorio. Let me kill it and see what changes.
2285 [20:24:18] <greycat> Were you at some point in the past (but after the last reboot) using close to all your RAM?
2286 [20:24:33] <TheWaffle> Probs not
2287 [20:24:39] <TheWaffle> I use my CPU more then my ram.
2288 [20:24:47] <TheWaffle> My load averages has been at 4+
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2290 [20:24:52] <TheWaffle> (I have 4 cores)
2291 [20:25:02] <greycat> that's unrelated
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2296 [20:25:43] <greycat> One of the reasons it might have used swap so aggressively was that it felt memory constrained at some point. Then it would have swapped some idle daemon segments out to disk to free up some space for active processes.
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2298 [20:26:03] <greycat> Or it might be that you simply have a LOT of large, idle daemons sitting around.
2299 [20:26:04] <TheWaffle> I doubt I ever use 32GB of ram.
2300 [20:26:20] <rwp> I wonder about a system that has 2GB of idle memory blocks that could be swapped to storage. That seems very high.
2301 [20:26:39] <greycat> Yeah, which is why I was asking what they were doing.
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2303 [20:26:40] <TheWaffle> I mean. I use Proxmox
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2305 [20:26:56] <TheWaffle> OVH install template.
2306 [20:27:08] <TheWaffle> So I don't really know my fstab, fdisk etc
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2315 [20:29:59] <rwp> Here are two pastes from two different desktop machines. replaced-url
2316 [20:30:36] <TheWaffle> 0.0
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2318 [20:31:01] <rwp> No significant swap is being used in either case. In order for the kernel to decide to push to swap then something prior must have caused memory resource pressure.
2319 [20:31:17] <TheWaffle> How you get that format?
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2321 [20:31:30] <TheWaffle> It looks like htop but I can't copy/paste htop
2322 [20:31:31] <rwp> As stated in the paste it is htop with TERM=vt100
2323 [20:31:44] <rwp> Why can't you copy/paste from htop?
2324 [20:32:01] <TheWaffle> idk
2325 [20:32:05] * TheWaffle is using putty
2326 [20:32:07] <greycat> It takes over an X terminal's mouse clicks. :-/
2327 [20:32:26] <greycat> You can hold Shift to override that.
2328 [20:32:27] <rwp> I guess I don't have that breakage on my system.
2329 [20:32:36] <TheWaffle> oh neat
2330 [20:32:50] <rwp> However by default htop will use color to denote differences in bar graph. That will not cut and paste into a pastebin.
2331 [20:32:53] <TheWaffle> replaced-url
2332 [20:32:59] <TheWaffle> Here's mine :D
2333 [20:33:00] <greycat> Or "q" to quit the program, and then paste whatever's left on the terminal.
2334 [20:33:08] <TheWaffle> Shift worked.
2335 [20:33:12] <rwp> Therefore (as stated in the paste) that I set 'TERM=vt100 htop' in order to get ASCII characters instead.
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2337 [20:34:02] <rwp> And also as a side effect 'TERM=vt100 htop' probably also told htop that there was no mouse so do not take over mouse functions.
2338 [20:34:17] <TheWaffle> That
2339 [20:34:18] <TheWaffle> is
2340 [20:34:19] <TheWaffle> odd
2341 [20:34:30] <rwp> What is odd?
2342 [20:34:35] <TheWaffle> Lykos (A werewolf python script) was using a GOOD amount of CPU
2343 [20:34:36] <TheWaffle> At idle
2344 [20:34:39] <TheWaffle> I killed it.
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2346 [20:35:12] <TheWaffle> Like when I killed the script. I saw that whole maxed core go back down to 0
2347 [20:36:04] <rwp> TheWaffle, You see that when you looked at htop on your screen I am sure it used color to show the different parts of the bar graph. But those colors did not paste into the pastebin. Making it relatively not useful. :-(
2348 [20:36:28] <rwp> In order to show it effectively one needs to defeat the htop colors so that it uses characters instead.
2349 [20:36:47] <TheWaffle> Why not? You saw the %'s no?
2350 [20:37:15] <rwp> Compare Mem[||||||||||#***************************************************************3.50G/31.3G]
2351 [20:37:21] <rwp> To Mem[|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||5.35G/31.4G]
2352 [20:37:24] <rwp> The first is useful. The second is relatively useless.
2353 [20:37:46] <TheWaffle> uhh...You still see the memory usage.....
2354 [20:37:57] <greycat> I just look at the numbers and ignore the |s.
2355 [20:38:08] <rwp> The first shows that userland processes are taking up 3.5G out of 31.3G as the numbers indicate. But the ratio of # for I/O buffers and * for filesystem buffer cache is then also shown clearly.
2356 [20:38:33] <TheWaffle> replaced-url
2357 [20:38:33] <jmcnaught> I just use free, is there a reason to use htop instead?
2358 [20:38:52] <TheWaffle> htop is just like a task manager.
2359 [20:39:00] <TheWaffle> It's like top but more of a GUI
2360 [20:39:05] <rwp> jmcnaught, htop gives a nice bar graph. It's a spacial display. I like it specifically for that reason.
2361 [20:39:29] <rwp> However if one is a numbers only person then free is the better choice. Or cat /proc/meminfo
2362 [20:39:38] <TheWaffle> What's a tool I can use to monitor Network connections per port etc
2363 [20:40:03] <rwp> TheWaffle, Ah! So much more clear! :-)
2364 [20:40:17] <greycat> A better UI design would be for htop to use the different punctuation characters *as well as* the different colors, regardless of the TERM.
2365 [20:40:37] * TheWaffle chuckles
2366 [20:40:39] <rwp> greycat, I agree!
2367 [20:40:46] <TheWaffle> Politics
2368 [20:41:04] <TheWaffle> I should try to hang out here and learn a thing or two.
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2371 [20:41:27] <greycat> It's important for accessibility as well as this niche case of sharing pasted terminal characters.
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2373 [20:41:42] <greycat> Some people have colorblindness or other visual shortfalls.
2374 [20:42:01] * TheWaffle manages his own VestaCP install, Proxmox install, IRC server, Wordpress, Anope, A supybot, and a factorio server.
2375 [20:42:23] <TheWaffle> Factorio server has been unused idk why I had on it. I kinda had it on as a "Free service"
2376 [20:42:30] <rwp> I have two very good friends that are deeply red-green color blind. I always hear about the bad interfaces that use only color.
2377 [20:42:36] <rwp> Statistically 1 out of 12 males in the US are red-green color blind to some extend.
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2379 [20:43:28] <TheWaffle> replaced-url
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2381 [20:43:35] <TheWaffle> Small network. But I am proud of it.
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2384 [20:44:05] <rwp> TheWaffle, Old proverb, "The journey of 10,000 miles begins with the first step."
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2386 [20:44:14] <TheWaffle> rwp Thanks.
2387 [20:44:42] <TheWaffle> I mean I remember the day's when I had like....10 people
2388 [20:44:47] <TheWaffle> Or worse. None :D
2389 [20:45:11] <TheWaffle> Now it's 30-50 people online at a time, A bit underkill for a whole IRCD
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2391 [20:46:18] * TheWaffle wouldn't mind someone who knew marketing, design or whatever / community management to PM him :D
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2394 [20:47:20] * rwp has often said, "People are the problem. It's why we can't have nice things." so will just remain silent.
2395 [20:47:40] <TheWaffle> heh.
2396 [20:48:39] <idle-> rwp: props
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2398 [20:51:32] <tomnor> I have problems with graphics on a computer with nvidia 610M
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2400 [20:51:56] <tomnor> Installed nouveau and purged the nvidia legacy driver
2401 [20:52:07] <tomnor> but fail to configure something
2402 [20:52:33] <dvs> rwp, damn right!
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2405 [20:53:33] <tomnor> The nouveau driver is not loaded
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2407 [20:53:54] <tomnor> I can modprobe it and modprobe -r remove the nvidia driver and then gui can start
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2409 [20:54:10] <tomnor> but it doesn't stick during a reboot
2410 [20:54:15] <tomnor> what can I do?
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2413 [20:54:43] <clouddancer> G'dAY
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2416 [20:56:07] <clouddancer> Is there somebody hwo could help me too become ssmtp running?
2417 [20:56:15] <clouddancer> to get sorry
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2419 [20:57:10] <OerHeks> /clear
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2421 [20:57:39] <petn-randall> clouddancer: It usually helps if you ask specific questions, then people knowledgable will respond.
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2424 [20:58:33] <clouddancer> I get a Error Message "None Zero Status" by trying to send out a email via command line
2425 [20:58:37] <tomnor> where can I read about replacing nvidia-legacy driver with nouveau driver on buster
2426 [20:58:41] <clouddancer> an
2427 [20:59:25] <petn-randall> !nouveau
2428 [20:59:25] <dpkg> The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration. replaced-url
2429 [20:59:39] <petn-randall> clouddancer: This might help ^^^
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2434 [21:01:47] <BCMM> tomnor: i know this is kind of a backwards way of looking at it, but this page more or less has your answer replaced-url
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2437 [21:02:28] <clouddancer> I want to get ssmtp running on a raspberry pi model 3 on buster os, I followed a few instructions but it wont work correctly
2438 [21:02:50] <clouddancer> using gmail smtp mailhub
2439 [21:03:08] <karlpinc> !errors
2440 [21:03:08] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
2441 [21:04:02] <clouddancer> okay sorry
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2450 [21:05:44] <clouddancer> the only error message it throws is mail: can not be send. Process ended with a none-zero status
2451 [21:06:09] <greycat> That's when you read the log files.
2452 [21:06:18] <clouddancer> maybe ssmtp is outdated by now
2453 [21:06:21] <friendlyGoat> i accidentally deleted /lib on debian 9.9 when trying to delete something of the same name in a folder i was in and now i cant boot and i have no idea how to recover from this and im very angry, anything i can do?
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2458 [21:07:16] <clouddancer> just a moment I ll have a quick look at the particular logfile
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2467 [21:09:37] <BCMM> clouddancer: are you running debian buster or raspbian buster?
2468 [21:10:51] <Lirion> @friendlyGoat: 1. stay cool :) 2. cheat. copy the /lib content from an essential installation, e.g. from a live system running on your defective box, to the /lib dir of your defective box. try to boot this way somehow. then reinstall all your packages. I once recovered a fedora installation that way where /bin was gone and /lib was partially removed
2469 [21:10:53] <BCMM> (raspbian is very similar to debian, but it comes with quite a few things set up differently by default, so it might be worth asking in #raspberrypi if this is raspbian)
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2471 [21:11:40] <friendlyGoat> im thinking of taking my old xubuntu installation disc and booting on that then copying /lib over
2472 [21:11:45] <friendlyGoat> @lirion
2473 [21:12:16] <Robby> hmm, anyone here ever do a netinstall on a laptop using the non-free firmware iso (such as firmware-10.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso)? I could boot with it, configure the wireless, do the netinstall fine, but after it finished and rebooted the wireless configuration appears to not have been saved and so there's no connection
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2475 [21:12:19] <BCMM> friendlyGoat: xubuntu is not debian. those libraries will not be the same versions that your programs expect to find
2476 [21:12:23] <Robby> I guess my question is, is that normal? :P
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2479 [21:12:44] <_Vi> How do I submit a bug report to Debian without setting up outgoing mail access on the host?
2480 [21:12:50] <friendlyGoat> damn, i have another disc thats a debian net inst but that just takes me to the normal installer unless thats what i want
2481 [21:13:07] <greycat> _Vi: save the bug report to a file, paste it into an email that you create however you CAN create email
2482 [21:13:08] <Lirion> ubuntu != debian, you will have different package versions thus different libraries. plus things that are installed on your xubuntu that aren't on your debian.hence the idea of taking a fresh and rather slim installation of a matching debian for this trick. @friendlyGoat
2483 [21:13:09] <clouddancer> @ BC;
2484 [21:13:20] <clouddancer> @BCCM rasbian
2485 [21:13:30] <BCMM> friendlyGoat: i think the install disks have a shell on VT2
2486 [21:13:47] <friendlyGoat> my debian netinst is 9.9 would that have VT2?
2487 [21:14:03] <BCMM> i think so... try it! boot it and press ctrl-alt-f2
2488 [21:14:11] <greycat> friendlyGoat: "VT2" is the second Linux console. /dev/tty2. Accessed by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F2.
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2490 [21:14:21] <clouddancer> I give it up for today
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2492 [21:14:29] <clouddancer> thx a lot at all
2493 [21:14:34] <clouddancer> bye
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2495 [21:15:46] <friendlyGoat> i think im on it, i typed help in a prompt that said Boot> and it said "this is a debian 9 installation cd rom" with a list of things
2496 [21:16:03] <BCMM> i'm pretty sure you're in grub, not linux
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2498 [21:16:14] <BCMM> boot the installer, *then* change VT to get a shell
2499 [21:16:27] <friendlyGoat> oh oops pardon, im out of it today
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2501 [21:17:41] <friendlyGoat> i got it im in the shell
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2504 [21:18:41] <j0hannes> How can I find out if rfc8275 has been implemented in my NFS package?
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2509 [21:19:36] <_Vi> Is reportbug-ng a good way to contribute a bug report to Debian? I tried, but got confused.
2510 [21:19:53] <BCMM> friendlyGoat: i *think* you can do this with `apt-get -o RootDir=/blah`, to get a cleaner solution than just copying lib
2511 [21:19:58] <greycat> replaced-url
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2513 [21:20:41] <_Vi> greycat, I don't see anything about reportbug-ng there.
2514 [21:20:43] <friendlyGoat> im a little confused as to how i'd copy lib on this cd to lib on my machine
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2517 [21:21:15] <BCMM> friendlyGoat: you'd mount your root directory, and then copy it over using cp
2518 [21:21:16] <greycat> friendlyGoat: mount, cd, cp -a, umount
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2520 [21:21:51] <BCMM> friendlyGoat: please don't take this the wrong way, but if that doesn't sound trivial, this might not be the right approach for you
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2522 [21:22:15] <BCMM> they'll be some cleanup to come that requires that you actually understand what your doing
2523 [21:22:20] <friendlyGoat> its fine and all
2524 [21:22:26] <friendlyGoat> is there a better way then?
2525 [21:22:43] <greycat> The only 100% sure way is to reinstall from scratch, and then restore your data from the most recent backup.
2526 [21:23:01] <BCMM> the cleanest solution is probably to back up config changes from /etc/, save the list of installed packages, and start again with a fresh install
2527 [21:23:18] <greycat> Replacing /lib from a rescue system is a "maybe it'll work" approach, and if it does work, great! Celebrate by making a new backup.
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2531 [21:24:37] <BCMM> in any case, i think the rescue cd thing would be better done by using the cd's copy of apt to reinstall enough dependencies of apt to get the system's apt running again
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2533 [21:25:09] <BCMM> copying /lib/ seems like a great way to get files that apt doesn't know about, or that aren't the same version that apt thinks they are
2534 [21:25:21] <greycat> extra libs shouldn't hurt
2535 [21:25:31] <tomnor> BCMM: thanks, I have seen replaced-url
2536 [21:25:49] <tomnor> the dpkg output helped me (pointer to readme.debian)
2537 [21:26:18] <tomnor> information I just couldn't guess myself
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2539 [21:26:38] <tomnor> "select /usr/lib/mesa-diverted"
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2541 [21:27:12] <tomnor> now next question, how does one configure underscan for display?
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2543 [21:27:42] <gregor2> I cant get the network working for qemu with debian host. I tried no parameter invoking qemu-system-x86_64 and this discription replaced-url
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2559 [21:39:17] <BCMM> tomnor: i'm slightly confused that that's still a thing...
2560 [21:39:58] <BCMM> i've never seen an hdmi display where you couldn't disable overscan
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2562 [21:40:38] <BCMM> anyway, looks like you can do it with xrandr
2563 [21:41:17] <karlpinc> gregor2: In order to help we'd need to know how you have it setup. You could pastebin your configs....
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2570 [21:45:19] <gregor2> i just installed qemu-kvm package and started the vm with the command: "qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom /home/user0/gre/srv/debian/debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso -drive driver=raw,media=disk,file=arch.img -m 4096 -enable-kvm"
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2576 [21:47:45] <zmeu> hello, can someone help me to configure my pppoe-server +ipv6? if I do ping6 google.com I got "connect: Network is unreachable"
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2583 [21:50:23] <karlpinc> gregor2: Any firewalling going on? (I don't know much about qemu, so don't know that I can help much.)
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2585 [21:51:19] <BCMM> gregor2: under normal circumstances, that should "just work", at least for normal internet-access activities
2586 [21:51:22] <gregor2> :w
2587 [21:51:27] <epsilon> gregor2: you just want kvm with bridge network running? or need to run with qemu... command?
2588 [21:51:43] <karlpinc> zmeu: What is the current config? (You know not to paste into the channel, right?) What do the logs say?
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2592 [21:52:11] <BCMM> gregor2: what does `ip addr` show, in the vm?
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2594 [21:52:15] <karlpinc> zmeu: It's been a while since I've done pppoe. Do you have routing setup?
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2598 [21:53:16] <gregor2> I will try ip addr in arch linux. and where are the logs?
2599 [21:53:39] <BCMM> gregor2: where does arch come in to this?
2600 [21:54:14] <sideone> hey all.. trying to capture remote traffic from a kali vm (deb 4.19.37) to a windows workstation running wireshark. ive tried tcpdump and tshark, but am getting an error using the command plink.exe -ssh root@192.168.92.129 tcpdump -i eth0 -s0 -w - not port 22 | "C:\Program Files\Wireshark\Wireshark.exe" -k -i - .. the error is: data written to the pipe is neither in a supported pcap format nor in pcapng format
2601 [21:54:28] <gregor2> Because it has a shell and i can type ip add
2602 [21:54:32] <coruja> !kali
2603 [21:54:33] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2604 [21:54:34] <gregor2> should i do it with debian
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2606 [21:54:56] <gregor2> Network does not work for either of them.
2607 [21:55:08] <zmeu> karlpinc: replaced-url
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2609 [21:55:53] <gregor2> well i dont know how to copy something from the vm.
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2617 [21:58:14] <swift> sad
2618 [21:58:16] <karlpinc> zmeu: What does "ip route" say?
2619 [21:58:30] <swift> shows the path a packet takes?
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2621 [21:58:54] <zmeu> karlpinc: replaced-url
2622 [21:59:00] <karlpinc> gregor2: If you're in a GUI you can highlight by selecting with the mouse and paste with the middle mouse button.
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2625 [22:00:11] <gregor2> it does not work
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2630 [22:02:11] <BCMM> karlpinc: the stuff gregor2 would like to copy is in a vm without network access
2631 [22:02:21] <BCMM> no, you can't just copy and paste from a vm
2632 [22:02:43] <BCMM> (as far as x is concerned, the vm's window is just one big pixmap)
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2636 [22:04:22] <gregor2> replaced-url
2637 [22:04:25] <gregor2> alright i got it
2638 [22:04:45] <karlpinc> BCMM: Really. Thanks.
2639 [22:05:08] <gregor2> BCMM: I got ip add
2640 [22:05:51] <karlpinc> zmeu: What does "ip addr" say? (I'm wondering if ppp0 even gets a publicly routable ipv6 addr.)
2641 [22:06:01] <BCMM> gregor2: huh, that looks like it should be working. check `ip route`
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2643 [22:06:58] <zmeu> karlpinc: replaced-url
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2646 [22:08:28] <gregor2> cp Screenshot\ at\ 2019-07-16\ 22-00-18.png /var/replaced-url
2647 [22:08:39] <gregor2> replaced-url
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2649 [22:09:51] <BCMM> gregor2: hang on, how did you test connectivity to the network? just by pinging?
2650 [22:10:00] <gregor2> yes
2651 [22:10:10] <BCMM> gregor2: qemu's user-mode NAT doesn't support ping! sorry i missed that!
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2654 [22:10:49] <BCMM> gregor2: it'll NAT ordinary udp or tcp traffic just fine, but it can't do the raw icmp magic needed for ping
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2656 [22:11:00] <gregor2> ok
2657 [22:11:06] <gregor2> What could i try else?
2658 [22:11:11] <BCMM> (in part because you kind of need to be root to generate those packets; ping is installed suid typically)
2659 [22:11:15] <BCMM> gregor2: curl
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2661 [22:11:34] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
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2664 [22:11:53] <BCMM> curl icanhazip.com is a decent one, because it won't muck up your terminal with a million lines of html
2665 [22:12:04] <gregor2> lol
2666 [22:12:10] <woili> hello! anyone have an idea where i can find xcb-composite?
2667 [22:12:11] <gregor2> i was able to use wget
2668 [22:12:15] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to install nodejs and npm on Debian 9.9, but when I do `apt install npm` it complains a lot of versions are required that are >= what would be installed.
2669 [22:12:28] <greycat> (in recent Debian, ping is not setuid, but uses getcap(8) instead)
2670 [22:12:34] <gregor2> ok So network is working then
2671 [22:12:52] <BCMM> greycat: oh cool, didn't know about that
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2676 [22:14:04] <gregor2> And how can i config it the way that ping is working to? I actually want kind of like a bridge such that i see the vm in my network.
2677 [22:14:34] <woili> i tried install libxcb-composite0 but it didnt work
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2682 [22:14:58] <zmeu> karlpinc: if i do "ip6tables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eno1 -j MASQUERADE" seems work
2683 [22:14:59] <BCMM> gregor2: so, what you get by default is limited, but requires 0 setup. it's basically a network that exists entirely within the qemu-system process
2684 [22:15:20] <zmeu> karlpinc: but internally "From 2a0c:b641:565:aaaa::1 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable"
2685 [22:15:36] <BCMM> gregor2: when you try to make a connection out to the network, qemu itself acts as a NAT router, and it makes a corresponding connection (coming from the qemu process) for you
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2688 [22:16:19] <BCMM> gregor2: the alternative is to set up tun/tap, so you have a network interface on the host machine that the linux kernel actually knows about, and connect qemu to that
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2693 [22:17:00] <BCMM> but in that mode, you'll need to set some stuff up, because you'll be using standard debian stuff to configure the interface instead of qemu doing everything internally
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2695 [22:17:18] <BCMM> (i mean in the default mode, qemu even has a completely internal dhcp server to give an ip address to the guest, etc.)
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2697 [22:17:42] <Guest98954> karlpinc: i got disconect
2698 [22:17:53] <Guest98954> 23:14 < zmeu> karlpinc: if i do "ip6tables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eno1 -j MASQUERADE" seems work
2699 [22:17:56] <Guest98954> 23:15 < zmeu> karlpinc: but internally "From 2a0c:b641:565:aaaa::1 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable"
2700 [22:18:03] <BCMM> gregor2: as you see on replaced-url
2701 [22:18:04] <gregor2> I think t ried that with those instructions: replaced-url
2702 [22:18:21] <gregor2> yes that was exactly what i did
2703 [22:18:32] <gregor2> But lets see maybe its already working to.
2704 [22:18:38] <BCMM> gregor2: i thought you said you were running qemu with no -net param at all?
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2706 [22:19:06] <BCMM> earlier you said "qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom /home/user0/gre/srv/debian/debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso -drive driver=raw,media=disk,file=arch.img -m 4096 -enable-kvm"
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2709 [22:20:05] <tomnor> BCMM: about the underscan, my tv is rather old, just looked for settings about this, couldn't find it
2710 [22:20:30] <BCMM> tomnor: old as in your using analog tv-out?
2711 [22:20:42] <tomnor> BCMM: and yes, you can adjust this with xrandr but that doesn't stick by default, so now searching for how to configure
2712 [22:20:59] <BCMM> i've often found it hidden in the aspect ratio menu, called something like pixel-for-pixel
2713 [22:21:10] <tomnor> not available
2714 [22:21:21] <tomnor> its a samsung about 15 years old
2715 [22:21:41] <gregor2> yes but i also tried that one
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2717 [22:21:55] <tomnor> well, I can't find anything at least
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2719 [22:22:31] <BCMM> gregor2: did you manually configure the network inside the guest as well?
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2721 [22:22:55] <BCMM> if you're not using qemu's default internal NAT thing, you don't get a dhcp server for free
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2725 [22:23:12] <BCMM> (you can either run a real dhcp server on the host, or just set up the network manually)
2726 [22:23:37] <gregor2> right now i am trying it like that: qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom /home/user0/gre/srv/debian/debian-10.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso -drive driver=raw,media=disk,file=arch.img -m 4096 -enable-kvm -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=no,downscript=no
2727 [22:23:44] <gregor2> exacly like in the wiki
2728 [22:24:16] <gregor2> But it did not work the last time i tried that.
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2736 [22:26:31] <gregor2> BCMM: I configured it manually with the debian install dvd.
2737 [22:27:51] <karlpinc> Guest98954: Busy. Maybe somebody else can chime in and help.
2738 [22:28:48] <gregor2> I am getting this now: replaced-url
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2740 [22:29:11] <BCMM> gregor2: does tap0 look normal on the host?
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2745 [22:30:10] <gregor2> replaced-url
2746 [22:30:16] <BCMM> hang on, i said something misleading earlier...
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2748 [22:30:39] <BCMM> i forgot you were bridging the tap to your ethernet. you shouldn't need to manually set up the net in the guest
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2752 [22:30:54] <BCMM> it should be able to get an address from your router with dhcp
2753 [22:31:08] <gregor2> It does not work with dhcp either.
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2755 [22:31:41] <BCMM> is your lan really in 10.0.0.*?
2756 [22:31:47] <gregor2> yes
2757 [22:32:06] <gregor2> Look at the pastebin my ip is 10.0.0.129.
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2760 [22:32:54] <jmcnaught> According to bridge-utils-interfaces(5) 'bridge_ports all' 'is short for "regex eth.* em.* p[0-9].* noregex"'… so maybe instead of all you should use the interface name enp3s0
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2764 [22:34:14] <jmcnaught> gregor2: have you done a paste of your /etc/network/interfaces?
2765 [22:34:43] <gregor2> So just enp3s0 instead of all?
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2769 [22:35:18] <jmcnaught> yeah
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2772 [22:35:47] <gregor2> Here is the pastebin of /etc/network/interfaces
2773 [22:35:53] <gregor2> replaced-url
2774 [22:35:55] <jmcnaught> might be just the man page wasn't updated but I don't think that expression would match your interface name
2775 [22:36:31] <gregor2> That sounds like pretty good idea.
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2778 [22:36:56] <gregor2> Does not matter. I think that expression is better anyway.
2779 [22:37:11] <gregor2> But i dont know anything about this config file.
2780 [22:37:26] <gregor2> how can i reload all that network stuff now?
2781 [22:37:35] <jmcnaught> gregor2: change 'iface enp3s0 inet static' to 'iface enp3s0 inet manual', 'iface br0 inet dhcp' to 'iface br0 inet static', then move the address, gateway and dns-servers lines into the br0 stanza
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2783 [22:37:51] <gregor2> I see
2784 [22:37:57] <jmcnaught> It's br0 that gets an IP address, not the ethernet interface that is bridged to it.
2785 [22:38:10] <gregor2> and how can i then apply the changes
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2788 [22:39:29] <jmcnaught> gregor2: use 'ifdown enp3s0 && ifdown br0 && ifup br0' however I would also test that it works on boot too
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2793 [22:40:34] <gregor2> I gess i will just reboot
2794 [22:40:41] <gregor2> see you later
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2805 [22:44:04] <tomnor> BCMM: not analogue in no. HDMI
2806 [22:44:17] <gregor2> The configuration is working.
2807 [22:44:24] <MACscr> is there a simple command to find out the assigned dhcp address? i find it odd that its not something available with the ip command
2808 [22:44:55] <jmcnaught> gregor2: including in the VM?
2809 [22:45:12] <gregor2> Yes
2810 [22:45:22] <gregor2> ping is a little high from the vm
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2812 [22:45:49] <gregor2> no actually its from the host to
2813 [22:46:08] <gregor2> 1.5 ms seemd a little high for me but i guess that is normal
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2815 [22:47:27] <gregor2> its working quite well now
2816 [22:48:22] <jim> hi, I'm trying to figure out minissdpd, and it's asking me which interface should be listened to for upnp queries... if this is for discovering devices, shouldn't it be all happening on the same machine?
2817 [22:48:24] <karlpinc> MACscr: 'ip addr' should should show addresses obtained by dhcp, but won't distinguish the address from staticlly assigned addresses. Otherwise, you need to look at the dhclient logs.
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2819 [22:48:53] <gregor2> but what if i would have written the static ip in the enp3s0 section?
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2821 [22:49:15] <gregor2> Would that work to and why not if it doesnt?
2822 [22:50:17] <jmcnaught> I don't have an explanation for why, but I use a bridge set up like the examples on this wiki page: replaced-url
2823 [22:50:38] <gregor2> ah i see
2824 [22:50:40] <jmcnaught> I didn't need to set up the tap0 for a non-root user because I use libvirt
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2827 [22:51:50] <gregor2> ok
2828 [22:51:57] <gregor2> Well thank you!
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2834 [22:54:03] <MACscr> karlpinc ah, thanks
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2849 [23:01:15] <Jerrynicki> just a quick question: is there a site which lists recently updated packages?
2850 [23:02:01] <greycat> There's one for security updates. Do you also want point releases? There might be one for those too.
2851 [23:02:22] <greycat> If you mean "in testing/unstable", this is the wrong place to ask.
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2853 [23:02:34] <Jerrynicki> oh, i see
2854 [23:02:49] <Jerrynicki> i'll go ask in #debian-next then
2855 [23:03:02] <greycat> If you also want to include buster-updates (not security and not yet in a point release, but slated for future point release), then I honestly don't know.
2856 [23:03:54] <Jerrynicki> no, i don't need that
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2893 [23:30:24] <crimson_king> jmcnaught, About that Xorg problem from today... I installed GDM and set it as the display manager, and it worked, and I can get to the desktop with it. Then I tried LightDM again: black screen. Then I tried using startx and startxfce4: Xorg won't start, complains about not finding a valid framebuffer device. GDM is the only way so far. I wonder why. I sent logs to an existing bug report that seems to be the same issue, but it's from years ago
2894 [23:30:24] <crimson_king> and affects Debian 8 and 9, while here it only breaks on Debian 10.
2895 [23:30:38] <crimson_king> from yesterday*
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2898 [23:32:12] <jmcnaught> crimson_king: gdm runs in wayland by default. If you started an xfce session that would be Xorg though.
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2906 [23:41:21] <jim> hi, still trying to understand this minissdp thing, it says it only wants to get local notifications, but it's asking me if I want my wireless interface (the only one other than lo on that machine)... I don't get exactly what it does, and I'd like to know more... can someone help with that?
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2908 [23:42:21] <MACscr> ive always use bridges with LXC as my containers have always been in a NAT environment. In this particular use case, im simply going to run two containers on a third party kvm based vps. Whats the other networking type? I know there is something that allows me to simply forward ports, but i cant think of it
2909 [23:42:45] <MACscr> i swear it used to be the default setup, but it i dont see any networking by default anymore
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2913 [23:44:02] <Mathisen> ,v minissdp
2914 [23:44:03] <judd> No package named 'minissdp' was found in amd64.
2915 [23:44:17] <Mathisen> ,v minissdpd
2916 [23:44:18] <judd> Package: minissdpd on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.20130907-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.2.20130907-3+deb8u2; stretch: 1.2.20130907-4.1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1.2.20130907-4.1+deb9u1; bullseye: 1.5.20190210-1; buster: 1.5.20190210-1; sid: 1.5.20190210-1
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2921 [23:45:28] <jim> if it matters, I'm now upgrading the machine to buster
2922 [23:45:48] <Mathisen> MACscr, it could be transmission that wants it as dep if you using that. anyway it is for UPnP so if you dont need that you can remove it
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2924 [23:46:17] <MACscr> Mathisen wrong person?
2925 [23:46:31] <Mathisen> yes
2926 [23:46:32] <Mathisen> :)
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2928 [23:46:51] <Mathisen> was ment for jim
2929 [23:46:56] <jmcnaught> I just remove minissdpd
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2933 [23:47:45] <jim> jmcnaught, you remove it because you don't need its functionality?
2934 [23:48:22] <Scriptonaut> hey all, I have a stale nfsmount. I've tried umounting it with -lf, it won't umount. I've tried mount -o remount /mountpoint. I did an lsof -b | grep 'mountpoint', and I get nothing
2935 [23:48:31] <Scriptonaut> any advice on how I can umount this stale nfs drive?
2936 [23:48:37] <jim> Mathisen, transmission, the bittorrent client/
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2938 [23:48:38] <jim> ?
2939 [23:48:47] <Mathisen> jim, yes
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2941 [23:50:44] <jim> any idea what transmission wants with minissdp?
2942 [23:51:45] <jmcnaught> transmission might not use it, transmission depends on libnatpmp1 which suggests minissdpd
2943 [23:52:21] <jmcnaught> transmission would depend on minissdpd itself if it used it
2944 [23:53:25] <hypn0> Scriptonaut: have you tried the file manager or gparted
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2952 [23:56:40] <Scriptonaut> hypn0: there is no file manager this is a headless server
2953 [23:56:46] <Scriptonaut> no gparted, only parted
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2955 [23:57:39] <hypn0> gnome-disk-utility also you can install them
2956 [23:58:03] <jim> Scriptonaut, you could install x client libs on it and ssh in with -X and run (for example) gparted
2957 [23:58:04] <Scriptonaut> I can't install them, this is a headless server, there is no X server
2958 [23:58:10] <jmcnaught> I don't know how much disk tools will help with an NFS issue anyways
2959 [23:58:39] <jim> is this headless server within a few feet of you?
2960 [23:58:54] <Scriptonaut> 3000 miles away
2961 [23:59:01] <jim> oh ok
2962 [23:59:05] <Scriptonaut> if I can find the pids of the things accessing it I could kill them
2963 [23:59:10] <petn-randall> Nothing an ICBM can't hit.
2964 [23:59:13] <Scriptonaut> but lsof -b | grep 'mountpoint' isn't giving me anything
2965 [23:59:23] <jim> thennn, you might find that approach slow :)
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