24[00:29:04] <akem-hp> Hey, where can i get a Debian sarge ISO image with a "full" shell access? cause the netinstall only has busybox when i do alt+FX and i don't even have access to /dev/hda etc.
37[00:38:33] <akem-hp> HeXiLeD I think it won't work for my old version, it's 2.4X kernel i think with old grub1 ext2 etc :/ but thanks anyway - i already try to fix it from another Live disk it didn't work.
50[00:44:42] <noln> cannot execute binary file? check that the live cd has the same architecture as the installed system - an i386 kernel won't run amd64 executables
54[00:46:10] <noln> also check /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys are bind-mounted in the chroot (--bind --make-rprivate if the live dvd is recent enough), but that should not raise the mentioned error message
59[00:49:02] <akem-hp> noln, both x86, it's in Limbo emulator on Android and i need something light otherwise it's too slow, i tried with DSL 4.1 i think.
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61[00:49:53] <akem-hp> noln, but thanks for the info, i look more into it if i got the error again, i got to reinstall because of some disk drive error now...it will be easier.
78[00:58:33] <noln> akem-hp, yw. There are other projects if that doesn't work. It's going to be slow because proot basically asks the kernel to report back on every syscall, so it can lie to the program about the root directory.
81[00:59:30] <noln> It's going to be different than a real chroot, where the deceiving takes place in-kernel without going back-and-forth to proot. But chroot is privileged, so a chroot-based solution would at least require rooting
88[01:02:13] <akem-hp> noln, i see, it works here, i installed some package. I can root my device, but i need to keep it not rooted for some apps to works (bank, snapchat) - i know there are some cloaks or tricks but it's annoying and it may not work next update.
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90[01:02:57] <akem-hp> I don't really mind the speed, it's nice they use apt.
114[01:24:44] <somiaj> Devastator: apt upgrade won't upgrade packaes that require you to remove packages during the upgrade, when upgrading from say stretch->buster you need full upgrade to upgrade everything
232[03:00:54] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
233[03:01:24] <dominix> is there a difference between dist-upgrade and full-upgrade ?
268[03:39:15] <annadane> i know contabs are stored in /var/spool/cron/crontabs but i get permission denied even if i try to get it for my user, any other place they're stored?
269[03:40:52] <somiaj> annadane: run crontab -e
270[03:41:08] <annadane> fair enough
271[03:41:26] <annadane> was just wondering if i could cp /path/to/user/cron /dev/externalmediadevicethingy
274[03:42:38] <somiaj> ahh wanting to back it up. drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 4096 Oct 7 2017 /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ -- anyways add your user to the crontab group if you want to allow them into that directory
275[03:43:27] <annadane> yeah i was thinking in my head "back them up" and didn't actually write that, sorry
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278[03:45:50] <jmcnaught> what about crontab -l > crontab
279[03:46:08] <somiaj> ahh yea, could just use crontab and not have to be in the group
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327[04:26:28] <fraktor> I'm writing an application that needs to be able to create, modify, and control system services. Is there a way I can give permissions to the user/group that will be running it so that it has those permissions, but not certain other permissions?
360[05:00:38] <jmcnaught> magic_ninja: do you mean backing up /etc? You'll need to be root for that, and running GUI programs as root is not recommended. Have you looked at using backup software like duplicity or restic?
456[07:02:42] <vnlinuser> I installed the kvm virtual machine on debian 10, using the bridge network mode, but after installing the virtual machine, I can't access the Internet. Can only ping the host, the gateway can not ping
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600[09:21:21] <dstaring> Every day, I feel like I'm fighting my computer(s), the software running on it as well as the authors of that software.
601[09:21:58] <dstaring> Imagine a world where computers existed that weren't designed from the ground up to piss you off, cripple you, limit you, talk down onto you, insult you, and not to mention spy on everything you do/input.
602[09:22:17] <dstaring> I wish I were living in such a world.
615[09:30:47] <dpkg> Since Sat Jul 13 07:30:28 2019, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 19s this session, and currently reference 40700 factoids. I'm using about 44264 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 0.35/0.02 child 0/0
689[10:25:01] <diogenes_> Hello guys, i have this strange issue with dns on mobile broadband device, in the networkmanager IPv4 settings i setup Method: Automatic, addresses only and DNS servers 9.9.9.9, 149.112.112.112 i applied the changes, restarted neworkmanager and resolv.conf shows my 9.9.9.9, 149.112.112.112 and everything works fine but after reboot, it applies the default DNS provided by the ISP which is slow as hell, it overwrites resol.conf but, if i do a quick
690[10:25:01] <diogenes_> disconnect and connect the network, then my 9.9.9.9, 149.112.112.112 comes back, same settings work flawlessly with ethernet, it doesn't overwrite resolv.conf on reboot, the problem is only with mobile broadband connection, does anyone have any idea how can i fix this?
705[10:30:39] <dstaring> diogenes_: I can't even get the most basic, easy-to-help-with questions/problems answered/resolved; your problem seems to be highly involved and stands no chance of getting answered. :/
706[10:31:54] <diogenes_> dstaring, i don't understand what you mean? you mean i didn't explain it well or what?
709[10:33:28] <dstaring> diogenes_: No, I meant that I myself have a lot of questions all the time which are much easier to help with/answer, but they (as in not just this room, but in general on IRC and Stack Exchange and whatnot) still don't/can't answer them.
711[10:33:46] <dstaring> diogenes_: I know it's not helpful, but I just had to point it out.
712[10:35:14] <diogenes_> dstaring, i actually discovered a dirty brute force way to make it work by making a file with my desired nameservers in /usr/lib/systemd/ and symlink it to resolv.conf, and it applies globally but i thought maybe someone has a more elegant approach.
717[10:40:14] <dstaring> In a lot of ways, IRC today seems to be almost a big cruel joke.
718[10:40:33] <dstaring> "Ask your questions! By all means! ... but don't expect anyone to ever read/answer them."
719[10:41:15] <oo_miguel> just installed cups and the printer-driver-all package. while I Can see my samsung sl-m2026 when trying to add a printer in cups as usb://... there is no matching driver in the list available. what should I do next?
720[10:41:15] <dstaring> I'm not talking about just right now, but in general, this is really how I feel. I can't tell you how many questions I've spent forever typing out only to never have them seen/answered.
721[10:41:27] <diogenes_> dstaring, well i was helped many times and helped others too, there are just lucky and unlucky hours.
722[10:41:49] <oo_miguel> CUPS also lets me provide an PPD File
737[10:49:26] <ratrace> hi all. been away from irc for a while, though i'd pop by with upgrade to buster. i see the channel is still going strong. awesome!
742[10:53:30] <antto> in my debian9 here, in "Installed (local or obsolete)" i got just one package - quake3-data .. i installed this manually via some tutorial.. will i have issues with upgrading to debian10 with this?
757[11:06:22] <Ede|Popede> antto: did you install it into dpkg controlled area? then theoretically it *may* clash with what 10 will bring, but i don't think so, it may be too specific. especially since it is the data package, levels, graphics and the like i guess, so it all should be in appropriate subdirectories (in short: i see a bigger risk with packages containing executables)
758[11:07:27] <Ede|Popede> antto: especially since such a package doesn't seem to exist in dpkg's database. you still could check with `dpkg -L quake3-data` for a list of files just to feel safe.
759[11:07:59] <antto> Ede|Popede it doesn't come from debian, it is the game data "pak3.pak" or whatever, from quake3, iirc i used some gate-data-packager tool to turn this pak3.pak into a debian package in order to install it, i think with gdebi
760[11:08:32] <antto> there are no executibles since it uses the openarena or ioquake3 "engine" to run it
761[11:09:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1520
762[11:10:23] <Ede|Popede> antto: never used such tools, planned to have a look at them anyway with buster. but usually i don't even bother repackaging such things (eg newest firefox or youtube-dl with its usually at least 2 updates per week), i always could throw them into /usr/local until now without any problems
772[11:15:06] <Ede|Popede> dstaring: i collected a rather big bag uf unanswered question over time, but also a lot of others had been answered. sometimes there's simply noone around who knows the answer for your particular situation, at least you don't seem to be one of those users quitting 10 minutes after their initial question ;)
781[11:17:05] <dstaring> Ede|Popede: I mean, it *happens* that questions do get answered, but it's really a low ratio.
782[11:17:42] <Ede|Popede> heh. gotta see if i can get quake somewhere, found half life 2 and 1602 for 2€ each i think in a social shop. so this is a starter script and even the engine is included, only the game data must be there? sounds fair.
783[11:17:44] <dstaring> It's so frustrating when nobody seems to be alive on IRC and the Stack Exchange questions have 0 answers, 0 comments, 0 upvotes and like 12 views after 48 hours...
784[11:18:00] <dstaring> 1602?
785[11:18:21] <bionade24> dstaring: It's early in the morning :)
786[11:18:27] <dstaring> (And it's not just that 48 hours have passed in itself, but those are the critical hours where you stand any chance of anyone seeing them.)
787[11:18:41] <dstaring> bionade24: Doesn't this sphere have like 24 different timezones?
788[11:19:22] <dstaring> Not to mention at least I have very varying sleeping patterns.
789[11:19:26] <bionade24> dstaring: Seems diffrent TZs have diffrent IRC networks
790[11:20:23] <Ede|Popede> dstaring: yep, like i was asking about persistency. went to the live channel on ofts later, less life there as in elvis for about one week. and no, i don't have an answer so far, and yes, it is frustrating. and replaced-url
792[11:20:29] <dstaring> I bet there is some flourishing secret IRC network full of ultra-smart geeks who know everything and are burning with desire to ask questions, only nobody ever tells me about it.
793[11:20:57] <dstaring> *answer questions
794[11:21:17] <Ede|Popede> dstaring: irc knows only one timezone which is UGT replaced-url
798[11:22:24] <humpled> one of my biggest problems with persistence was that half of the people writing blog posts about it couldn't spell persistance properly
802[11:24:56] <dob1> I would like to start dnsmasq after openvpn, so I have to use After= in [Unit] of dnsmasq.service, righ?
803[11:25:02] <Ede|Popede> dstaring: yep, SE. good idea i must say, but something always kept me away to create an account. usually i get search engined there, and too often i see either "this is not a question" or "blocked by community". if they don't want this stuff to be used they should hide it from googlebot&co. they wanted to build up a Q&A section based on good answeres to frequent questions some years ago (redacting a selection isn't a bad idea either) but the
811[11:29:03] <dstaring> Ede|Popede: They are fanatic about censoring any question that they don't like, yes. It's a nightmare trying to abide by their rules.
812[11:29:14] <dstaring> Ede|Popede: I only use it because I literally don't know about anything else.
813[11:29:25] <dstaring> Other than IRC, which is hopeless for any complex question 99% of the time.
814[11:29:32] <dstaring> And by "complex", I mean "not very complex at all".
815[11:29:46] <antto> "aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)'" indeed lists only this package quake3-data
816[11:30:10] <Ede|Popede> irc has its technical (not IT, but workflow) limits, it is more a overcrowded pub than anything else
817[11:30:16] <antto> so, i should remove it, according to the upgrade guide: "It is a good idea to remove obsolete packages from your system before upgrading."
818[11:30:18] <dstaring> Quake 3 is too modern. Even 2 is. The original Quake had some nice atmosphere and visuals and stuff, though.
820[11:30:44] <dstaring> Ede|Popede: I have a constant nagging feeling that I'm fundamentally missing something.
821[11:31:11] <dstaring> I think it's common even for geeks to have some sort of "network" of people who they privately talk to and ask for advice, but I never managed to build such a thing.
822[11:31:17] <dstaring> Which is strange since I'm so loveable...
823[11:32:01] <Ede|Popede> antto: you could. wouldn't harm. and then reinstall when you got buster running. (and i'd still advice not to throw files into dpkg land from 3rd parties, even if only to avoid a possible name clash in the future. wasn't also some other software name quake?)
830[11:33:30] <user9876> hi guys, what I have done to install nginx 1.17 on debian 9? apt-get install nginx results into 1.10.3 :/
831[11:33:32] <Ede|Popede> dstaring: you can bet they have. at some point people may build up other networks. or better, they connect to others, the networks grow up dynamically.
842[11:35:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
843[11:36:00] <Ede|Popede> user9876: with 'install' usually meaning unpacking some tarball and throwing the binary somewhere and building up a working configuration and maybe a wrapper script
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860[11:39:17] * antto is trying to copy paste text in pico
861[11:39:20] <Ede|Popede> user9876: debian usually stays with the version after freeze. but packages get security fixes, the good thing when going with stable
862[11:39:38] <Ede|Popede> antto: M = Meta = Alt (usually)
864[11:40:05] <Ede|Popede> antto: usually means press Escape, release, and then the other key
865[11:40:20] <antto> x_x
866[11:41:05] <Ede|Popede> antto: don't forget, unixoids run on tons of hardware, from embedded to mainframes and also terminals from the 70s with really funny keyboards
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878[11:43:49] <antto> uh, i assumed there is "paste"
879[11:43:57] <Ede|Popede> at least things like C-\ work good here. C and right alt (which is AltGr in fact, so another layer) and ß (which is the key right to the 0). right? ;)
880[11:44:11] <antto> linux text editors, they just hate me
881[11:44:30] <antto> imma just type all the urls like last two times x_x
882[11:44:38] <Ede|Popede> there should be one for every user, at least there are enough of them :)
883[11:45:53] <Ede|Popede> i use midnight commander's internal editor a lot while i jump through my file system, no need to use another one in the subshell, integrates great with the file manager
887[11:47:21] <Ede|Popede> user9876: what i meant is, don't put it into /usr/bin/nginx, you may overwrite it later when you install it from the repo (should take some time until 1.17 will appear there, but better to not even start doing such things)
945[12:24:21] <gloops> yeah its to run linuxcnc - its on wheezy, or the config i use is
946[12:24:53] <ratrace> how's btrfs these days? guess I'd give it another spin with the new kernel in buster. i had some unmountable volumes issues, after switching extent types from single to mirror before with stretch.
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957[12:35:39] <blackflow> daifuco: I'm no longer on Buster but Steam worked just fine when I was (used it since soft freeze).
958[12:37:13] * antto is upgrading, cross yer fingerz
959[12:38:00] <daifuco> thanks blackflow, it seems a kernel related problem but there must be more factors, linus himself posted the patch on the steam github
961[12:41:07] <blackflow> daifuco: IIRC that's already patched upstream and never affected Buster. Did you actually have a problem or just read somewhere about some potential error with it?
962[12:41:36] <blackflow> (it's definitely patched in Ubuntu kernels)
982[12:51:41] <finn0> Suddenly my whole system freezes for around couple of hours and then automatically logout myself. And after sometime system atomatically shutdown. I'm looking for cause. Where should I start digging?
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1006[13:01:57] <ratrace> nope: whenever there is an important security fix, and debian point releases bump up the kernel to a newer upstream kernel point release.
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1096[14:04:59] <mrig> I am trying to install a package that requires i386 support, dpkg lists it as being present, but nothing was installed when it was added and the the package throw an architecture error when I try to install it.
1097[14:05:11] <mrig> I would be grateful of any help.
1098[14:06:27] <mrig> I am running buster, having just updated, this package was working fine on stretch.
1099[14:07:03] <aindilis> dob1: got it, I had to set to like C.UTF-8 instead of en_US.UTF8
1100[14:07:24] <mrig> seems to be something up with the foreign architecture in dpkg; Unless I have used it incorrectly.
1101[14:07:48] <dob1> aindilis, your locale is not present? C is a standard one
1102[14:08:35] <aindilis> sorry I don't know what you mean by not present?
1114[14:15:00] <sybariten> I'm on a live Debian 10 and trying to install this mysterious tool called monit. Anyone know if it should be possible? I can see some packages for debain9 floating around
1125[14:21:51] <sybariten> jim: heres the homepage... i think. Its a bit dubious because i get the impression there is also a commercial tool called monit. replaced-url
1128[14:24:06] <sybariten> but i saw a .deb file on some official debian package site.... a deb file for debian 9 i take it. I found a discussion on reddit saying monit has been removed from debian 10
1129[14:24:11] <jim> sybariten, there are debian packages for monit? what are they called?
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1131[14:25:09] <jim> note, the name of a .deb file has the package name... if you start at the beginning of the name, and go to just before the first _ character, that';s the package name
1134[14:26:32] <sybariten> Yeah i really dont know where i found it now, im having a grahics driver with the other machine i suppose and need to reboot it :)
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1153[14:40:45] <jelly> removed from buster around replaced-url
1154[14:40:55] <ws2k3> im trying to setup dkim for my domain. i checked a few tutorials and did all the steps. but i keep getting opendkim-testkey: using default configfile /etc/opendkim.conf opendkim-testkey: checking key 'default._domainkey.mydomain.com' opendkim-testkey: No key and i dont realy understand what this error means.
1156[14:42:16] <jelly> sybariten, monit does not have many dependencies. If you have to, you should be able to backport it or enable stretch repos and install from there.
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1158[14:42:28] <jelly> sybariten, why do you need it?
1159[14:43:23] <jelly> ws2k3, if you don't have either dkim or dmarc right now it's probably better to work or setting up dmarc and avoid older dkim completely
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1161[14:44:21] <jelly> to work ON* setting up dmarc
1173[14:50:29] <sybariten> i wanted to install it to be able to install something called OpenMediaVault , from apt-get, over a running live debian 10 usb (which is not at all recommended apparently)
1174[14:50:44] <sybariten> i had some other dependancy issues but managed to solve all of them down to just monit
1175[14:51:00] <jelly> sybariten, and does OMV explicitely support debian 10 now?
1176[14:51:11] <sybariten> jelly: hmmmm
1177[14:52:11] <sybariten> well, there seems to be guides for the OMV version called 5 (alpha) on debian 10, on the OMV forums
1178[14:52:13] <mrig> Hi, anyone have any ideas of things that I might investigate to get the i386 architecture installed?
1179[14:52:21] <mrig> in dpkg.
1180[14:52:38] <jelly> sybariten, you will probably want to ask OMV people about it.
1181[14:52:39] <sybariten> this was just something i wanted to try quickly, not so important really. .... it would be so nice to have a live distro that is solely made for sharing drives
1195[14:55:37] <mrig> jelly: so essentially this if for wine.
1196[14:55:58] <jelly> mrig, how is it "requesting"?
1197[14:56:08] <jelly> ws2k3, ah, that makes sense
1198[14:56:08] <ws2k3> jelly so im gonna continue with dkim just to make sure. but the strange thing is. a dig to default_domainkey.mydomain.com respondse with the key nicely. but opendkim just says No key
1199[14:56:47] <jelly> ws2k3, I don't see anything in "dig default_domainkey.mydomain.com TXT"
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1201[14:57:25] * jelly suspects ws2k3 does not actually own mydomain.com
1202[14:57:39] <ws2k3> jelly true. i replaced it with mydomainc.om
1203[14:58:25] <mrig> jelly: this is the message when I try to install the package: replaced-url
1204[14:58:25] <ws2k3> jelly the respondse is "v=DKIM1\; k=rsa\; p=M........ im not gonna paste the whole string here
1206[14:59:54] <ws2k3> jelly nslookup also reply's with the correct reply
1207[15:00:31] <jelly> mrig, you'll want to enable i386 as foreign architecture.
1208[15:00:47] <jelly> !multiarch
1209[15:00:47] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
1242[15:08:46] <mrig> na, will dump it before doing that, I am not about to change os for the software, has worked fine up till now. I will try installing multi architecture support, that does ring a bell as something that I may have over looked here.
1243[15:09:26] <jelly> that's a literal package named "multiarch-support"
1284[15:43:45] <derf_> hey all, im having trouble opening a txt file from my debian buster gnome. Im using linux for about 3 weeks now. checked the internet - installed gnome-tweaks and managed to copy my file to my desktop. But i cannot open it.
1288[15:44:57] <derf_> but not when i double click on the file, an texteditor is installed and when i open the same file from almost any other dir it works
1297[15:50:21] <derf_> ayekat, when i right-click to get a context menu it shows the context menu with abit more options then without the gnome tweaks extension called "Desktop Icons"
1353[16:15:30] <ayekat> you probably did something else in between, then
1354[16:15:49] <ayekat> but yeah, if `note` there is `text/plain`, this looks fine
1355[16:16:16] <ayekat> (although - I'd make it only writable for yourself, and read-only for others, i.e. -rw-r--r--)
1356[16:16:44] <ayekat> that's also the default for newly created files, unless you've fiddled around with umask (but I think you would know if you had)
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1368[16:22:18] <ratrace> who asked before about steam not working in buster due to connection issues? I just upgraded my computer from stretch and steam is working fine, fwiw.
1369[16:22:31] <jelly> derf_, it's "umask" not unmask
1370[16:22:46] <derf_> steam is working for me too, perfectly
1371[16:22:59] <derf_> oh sorry jelly :)
1372[16:23:17] <ratrace> someone before asked about newer kernel from backports thinking that kernel issue that broke steam for 5.0 kernels would affect buster too
1429[17:00:14] <brontosaurusrex> jelly: uhmm, no, but it behaves in a way that video goes into slomotion and audio plays ahead, some sort of weird desink
1451[17:07:48] <inerkick> HI guys. I just installed Debian 9.9 on my 32 bit machine . I don't have wifi drivers, I tried to install network-manager to pick my smartphone hotspot, but it's not working out. Kindly help
1459[17:10:08] <somiaj> inerkick: most likely you are missing the non-free firwmare for your card
1460[17:10:38] <inerkick> yes, i tried to install too somiaj lesta with this, downloaded all the packages too but it isn't working replaced-url
1461[17:10:42] <somiaj> inerkick: what card is it, so you can identify what firmware you need (or look at dmesg | grep -i firmware). You may need to manually copy over the firmware to get it up.
1462[17:11:21] <somiaj> you didn't state what card or firmware you tried, it has to match. You could also just use the unoffical firmawre installer
1464[17:11:24] <vlt> Hello. Is it possible to update from Debian 8 directly to 10 or should I go to 9 first?
1465[17:11:32] <somiaj> vlt: you have to go through 9 first
1466[17:11:37] <inerkick> ok
1467[17:11:43] <inerkick> wait will check somiaj
1468[17:12:04] <somiaj> vlt: upgrade scripts are only designed to do one release at a time, also due to transtional packages and so forth, you need to upgrade one release at a time
1469[17:12:44] <vlt> somiaj: Ok, I’ll do that. Thank you!
1523[17:41:52] <brontosaurusrex> It appears as if /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfreetype.la is missing from Buster (Compared to Stretch), would that be a bug?
1524[17:42:47] <inerkick> ok . Earlier I was trying these were the drivers , replaced-url
1532[17:45:51] <dpkg> b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. replaced-url
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1534[17:46:19] <jelly> !b43-fwcutter
1535[17:46:20] <dpkg> Device firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project. The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers. Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list. replaced-url
1536[17:46:56] <jelly> inerkick, I have no idea whether the info above is accurate. See the wiki link as well
1537[17:47:09] <inerkick> ok
1538[17:47:22] <jelly> not even firmware images will have firmware for that wifi.
1539[17:47:39] <jelly> your wired eth probably ought to Just Work.
1540[17:47:46] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: my guess is it is a change in the libaryies use of libtool, I can't find any changelog info about the change, but I agree that for some reason the file was removed/nolonger generated by libtool between stretch and buster.
1541[17:48:44] <jelly> inerkick, so if you get somewhere with WIRED internet access you might be able to download all the other stuff needed to make wireless working
1542[17:49:15] <somiaj> inerkick: having a wired network (or even usb device) to connect to the internet to install the firmware is the easiest way. Debian has scripts that do all the work, provided you have an internet connection.
1544[17:49:40] <somiaj> I have had to manually use fw-cutter and it is a pain, from manually downloading the windows driver, to actually using the command and copying the firmwaer to the right spot.
1545[17:49:47] <inerkick> i tried with b43-fwcutter bhut didn't work
1546[17:50:20] <somiaj> well you have to follow a chain of instructions, including downloding the correct windows driver to cut.
1580[18:00:28] <zerocool> i tripple checked all the MACs line up, that's not it... someone on reddit has mentioned needing to reconfigure... i'll get the link
1590[18:03:11] <ayekat> zerocool: are you using dhclient directly or with ifupdown?
1591[18:03:11] <zerocool> yeah so i went to dhcp and looked at the address that it IS getting (not in reservations) and the unique id shows a super long string... i have disabled this in that config though... i think, i did it with sed maybe i didn't actually match
1592[18:03:24] <zerocool> ayekat: i was using it directly
1593[18:03:33] <ayekat> zerocool: please don't edit configuration files with sed
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1597[18:05:28] <ayekat> actually no, windows DHCP servers *can* handle DUIDs - but probably it has reserved the slot for your machine via the MAC address, hence it's handing out a different IP address
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1628[18:11:49] <ayekat> unfortunately I'm not familiar with ifupdown and dhclient, so I'm not sure how to debug that (I assume that dhclient is invoked in a way that it exits after getting an IP lease, so you probably can't see with what options ifupdown invokes it)
1657[18:30:18] <karlpinc> zerocool: If you tell the interfaces file to use dhcp ifup/down will run dhclient. You _could_ help debugging by tcpdump-ing the traffic. But really you'd want to look at the logs on the dhcp server to see why it is doing what it is doing.
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1672[18:41:02] <zerocool> im actually wondering if i shouldn't just leave it because i understand and appreciate the pros of getting away from a mac, and i like to stick with the defaults as much as possible
1684[18:46:07] <zerocool> we really don't have the problem that the switch solves though and when we do have that problem we already know what it is and how to fix it whereas this makes things more complicated... and you can't tell from outside the vm what the duid will be... currently you can open the network adapter properties, get the mac and set it in dhcp before it even calls for a lease
1735[19:19:33] <vadique> hi, I can't install Debian, may you help?
1736[19:19:44] <dstaring> Every keypress... is a chore.
1737[19:20:05] <vadique> I got Debian 10 netinst, and I'm stuck at "no Ethernet card was detected"
1738[19:20:18] <vadique> I have Asus vivobook
1739[19:20:30] <nkuttler> which nic?
1740[19:20:30] <vadique> it has only wifi
1741[19:20:34] <nkuttler> eh..
1742[19:20:38] <nkuttler> !firmware installer
1743[19:20:38] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
1744[19:20:55] <nkuttler> you probably need one of those, would be easier to tell if we knew the chip though
1750[19:23:38] <dstaring> If the installer itself didn't have the drivers (called "firmware" here?), how likely is it that the user is going to have a floppy with the drivers for *Linux*?
1761[19:26:39] <zerocool> what if i did this how bad would i be
1762[19:26:44] <zerocool> sed -e "s/^#\(send dhcp-client-identitifier\).*$/\1 $(ip link show dev ens192 | grep ether | awk '{ print $2 }')/" /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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1764[19:26:45] <jmcnaught> dstaring: it's covered in the installation manual which also links to an ISO image that contains most of the firmwares: replaced-url
1817[19:43:54] <jmcnaught> vadique: you could try with the image above that includes non-free firmwares which might help
1818[19:44:00] <ws2k3> im trying to setup dkim for my domain. i checked a few tutorials and did all the steps. but i keep getting opendkim-testkey: using default configfile /etc/opendkim.conf opendkim-testkey: checking key 'default._domainkey.mydomain.com' opendkim-testkey: No key and i dont realy understand what this error means.
1840[19:50:45] <zleap> what is the bar thing caleld at a top of the window, as I just loaded up vlc and I can't see it, therefore can't grab it to move a window, i want to look up how I can sort this out please
1876[19:57:59] <CrazyTux> I am about to download the ISO of Debian 10 to install it on one of my computers. Could you please suggest the most suitable DE for absolute beginners in linux? for someone who has been using Windows.
1880[19:59:27] <jmcnaught> CrazyTux: I think GNOME is the most polished but it is different from Windows yet not difficult to learn. Xfce or KDE might be more familiar for you.
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1900[20:02:25] <jmcnaught> CrazyTux: you can have more than one desktop environment installed at a time so if you don't like one it's easy to switch to another.
1914[20:04:43] <NetTerminalGene> you will open wring settings
1915[20:04:46] <CrazyTux> I am using Linux Mint now. I freezes randomly. Does this happen on Debian too?
1916[20:04:48] <jmcnaught> CrazyTux: when a program is installed but not being used, it just takes up space on the disk and in menus. Your menus would be pretty cluttered if you installed *all* of them though.
1925[20:05:54] <shellclear> Hi, After upgrade from stretch to buster I'm facing issues with nouveau modules. kworker process have cpu nice set to -20 and some cpu cores are stuck in 100% usage. the system is impossible to use because have a cpu load of 12.0 ... to solve this issue I installed nvidia proprietary drivers and the kernel seems ok now... but I would like to use nouveau instead proprietaru drivers... someone know if is a known bug or if i
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1927[20:05:57] <shellclear> t has a way to fix it?
1933[20:07:58] <zleap> not sure if this is useful but typing lxappearance on a terminal window seems to come up with the following "Gtk-Message: 19:05:58.945: Failed to load module "atk-bridge" it loads ok but is this something that should be loaded
1939[20:09:05] <jmcnaught> shellclear: some nvidia cards require a non-free firmware from the firmware-misc-nonfree package even with nouveau, but I don't know if missing the firmware would cause symptoms like this.
1955[20:13:01] <jmcnaught> zleap: ATK is the accessiblity toolkit, it's for things like screen readers and magnifiers for people with accessiblity needs.
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1978[20:20:03] <jmcnaught> vadique: if your computer is too new then it is possible the Linux kernel simply doesn't have support for all of its devices. You can however install Debian without networking configured, then figure out the network driver issue after.
2022[20:48:46] <scarodj_> Hello! I just got Buster installed in a VirtualBox and configured different user and sudo passwords. My issue/question is that the sudo password won't work in CLI only graphical. I had the opositte problem in Stretch.
2033[20:52:30] <brontosaurusrex> and possibly reboot
2034[20:52:46] <jmcnaught> scarodj_: If you configure sudo then you use the user's password with the sudo command. If you have a root password then you use the root password with "su -l". You can have both configured at the same time.
2036[20:52:56] <jmcnaught> no need to reboot, but you need to log out and log back in
2037[20:53:10] <jmcnaught> also "adduser <username> sudo" is easier to type and remember
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2039[20:53:24] <jmcnaught> the sudo package needs to be installed.
2040[20:53:32] <hk239> hey I'm trying to update stretch to buster, all went well so far, changed sources to buster, did apt update, upgrade, dist-upgrade
2041[20:53:38] <vadique> well, I proceeded without network, and yet I’m stuck at choosing of mirror
2042[20:53:48] <hk239> and then doing apt autoremove, it seems to be removing a lot of packages. Might something be going wrong there?
2053[20:55:52] <hk239> I didn't think it through I guess :D
2054[20:56:09] <jmcnaught> hk239: learned something I guess :)
2055[20:56:17] <hk239> could also be that I'll just reboot and it works, or that I didn't do it correctly and it's removing something essential
2056[20:56:26] <scarodj_> Thanks! I'll try it
2057[20:56:31] <vadique> ah there is, triple of go backs
2058[20:57:18] <jmcnaught> hk239: you should not need to reinstall unless something really crazy gets removed, you can probably simply reinstall needed packages.
2059[20:57:29] <vadique> I wonder what would it be after installation
2094[21:08:12] <jmcnaught> vadique: what is the PCI-id for the card, find it with 'lspci -nn' it looks like [abcd:1234]
2095[21:08:39] <vadique> 10ec:b822
2096[21:08:55] <jmcnaught> ,pciid 10ec:b822
2097[21:08:56] <judd> [10ec:b822] is 'RTL8822BE 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WiFi adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also replaced-url
2098[21:09:45] <jmcnaught> Well that might be out of date for buster. I found an article saying that a driver for rtl8822be was being added for linux 4.14 and buster comes with 4.19.
2099[21:10:39] <vadique> okay, what to do with it?
2100[21:10:43] <jmcnaught> The description of the firmware-realtek package lists this device: replaced-url
2103[21:11:39] <jmcnaught> vadique: you can download that package from that page, put it on a USB stick and install it with "dpkg -i firmwre_realtek_2019011401_all.deb"
2106[21:12:26] <jmcnaught> vadique: hopefully your kernel will pick it up. You can check to see if the kernel is even looking for that missing firmware with "dmesg | grep -i firmware" (as root)
2162[21:25:49] <jmcnaught> hk239: if /home is on a separate partition then you can do manual partitioning in the debian-installer and choose not to format it, but you should back up first.
2163[21:26:36] <hk239> how do I check the size of a folder/subfolder in terminal?
2164[21:26:42] <hk239> I might be able to copy the contents on an USB
2165[21:26:53] <zleap> jmcnaught: thanks for that, that is helpful i need to do a manual format or non format of partitions
2166[21:27:16] <pylsan> hk239: with du /home/folder
2167[21:27:48] <Tenkawa> more effectively du -smx /full/path/to/tree
2188[21:29:55] <hk239> just trying to find out if it fits on the stick, so I can copy them there
2189[21:30:03] <hk239> and then put the installer on the other stick and reinstall
2190[21:30:35] <hk239> that's probably the sanest path forward given I don't know how to use terminal & do stuffm anually in debian, since usually debian has just worked out of the box so to speak
2191[21:30:52] <Tenkawa> hk239: a good example to find out how much yours is taking
2192[21:31:05] <Tenkawa> hk239: du -smx /home/hk329
2193[21:31:09] <brontosaurusrex> hk239: I think it has to do with sorting, i forgot (thats my old alias).
2194[21:31:10] <Tenkawa> er 239
2195[21:31:23] <hk239> okay
2196[21:31:28] <hk239> it's not the entire home directory I need to keep
2197[21:31:37] <hk239> there's just a blender subfolder I have some stuff in
2198[21:31:43] <Tenkawa> ok
2199[21:31:43] <sedrosken> okay, so I have but one issue now -- on resume from suspend, my display freaks out and is pretty much completely corrupted, I end up having to reboot because of it
2200[21:31:45] <jmcnaught> hk239: why don't you run "ip a" and see what your network interface is named, then edit /etc/network/interfaces with nano to make the requried change?
2201[21:31:49] <hk239> it seems to be 362megabytes so it's not a problem
2202[21:31:49] <Tenkawa> go to blender
2203[21:31:55] <Tenkawa> and do
2204[21:31:58] <sedrosken> driver is amdgpu, GPU is an integrated HD8330
2205[21:31:59] <Tenkawa> du -smx .
2206[21:32:01] <hk239> jmcnaught, because I don't know what that means? :D
2207[21:32:23] <Tenkawa> . means current directory
2208[21:32:32] <hk239> it says 2: is enp2s0 that's probably the interface name
2209[21:32:40] <sedrosken> I suppose I ought to give radeon another look and see if that doesn't do it -- since this isn't a gaming machine anyway I highly doubt I'll even notice the difference
2210[21:32:42] <hk239> okay so hmm then edit interfaces okay I'lll try that
2212[21:32:53] <jmcnaught> sedrosken: are you missing a required firmware? 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' (as root)
2213[21:33:06] <hk239> there doesn't seem to be anything in interfaces
2214[21:33:12] <hk239> just 'auto lo'
2215[21:33:24] <Tenkawa> jmcnaught: probable on network manager
2216[21:33:29] <jmcnaught> hk239: is your networking DHCP over ethernet?
2217[21:33:41] <hk239> I don't know what that means :D
2218[21:33:46] <sedrosken> no? I fetched the firmware-amd-graphics package and regenerated my initramfs, that's how I got graphical anything to work otherwise I was stuck with the efifb driver
2224[21:34:44] <hk239> I have a cable connection, and the modem has also a wifi network. This computer is using wifi, and the 2nd was connected via cable. And it was working just fine, until I did that attempted upgrade to buster, and then autoremoved stuff which was probably the main mistake
2225[21:34:45] <sedrosken> and that makes it rather... problematic considering it's a laptop and it kind of has to be able to properly go into and come out of suspend
2226[21:35:20] <sedrosken> to be fair it's not just a debian issue, I can reproduce this on any other distro using amdgpu, it just hadn't occured to me yet to see if radeon does it or not
2233[21:36:29] <sedrosken> i suppose i kind of asked for this one considering I specifically enabled amdgpu's SI and CIK support by the kernel commandline and blacklisted radeon, when i let it pick for itself it chose radeon
2255[21:40:33] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: jmcnaught complains about a problem (see above)
2256[21:40:41] <pylsan> hk239: oh its supose to be there. You can look trough the text to see if you find your network adapter and if the kernel fails to load something
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2318[21:50:40] <sedrosken> ubuntutr!*@* added to ignore list.
2319[21:51:02] <sedrosken> yeek didn't mean to dump that in the chat
2320[21:51:34] <hk239> it was a good reminder : )
2321[21:52:20] <jmcnaught> hk239: Debian packages have priorities, most packages are optional. That 'aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant' command installs all the packages of the standard, required, and important priorities.
2322[21:52:43] <hk239> okay
2323[21:52:50] <hk239> by the way
2324[21:53:37] <hk239> I was making this user modification for a game called UFOai, and I included countries into the geoscape like United States, and so on.. And wanted to use the actual flags for them. So I discovered that GIMP image scaling algorithm is flawed, and went on to #gimp to figure out how to fix the scaling problem
2325[21:54:09] <hk239> and then found out that the scaling algos have been updated for the newer version of gimp, and that my version of debian still had the old version of gimp
2326[21:54:18] <hk239> so I ended up trying to do the upgrade for buster
2332[21:55:54] <hk239> so I have some working folders with models I've made with blender and such that I wouldn't have wanted to lose, so it's pretty nice if this works, thanks again
2334[21:56:53] <hk239> that is the old gimp algo caused distortions for images scaled to low pixel resolution, and the flags looked weird. So they worked but they just had a minior graphical imperfection. :D
2335[21:56:54] <Freneticks> Hi is there a manual for the migration of iptables to buster ? bash: iptables: command not found
2354[22:02:00] <jmcnaught> Freneticks: /sbin is not in normal user's $PATH, and 'su' alone no longer changes $PATH, you need to specify a login shell with "su -l" to get root's $PATH that includes /sbin
2406[22:36:31] <vsayikiran> hi Im running new debian buster recently installed. I am trying to set up user specific locale but does not work. I have two user accounts User1 and User2. I wish to setup locale L1 and L2 respectively. Somebody help me how to do this.
2407[22:36:38] <vlt> Ede|Popede: I have several buster installations and all of them have binaries in /sbin and /bin.
2427[22:42:19] <Ede|Popede> wouldn't this bream system in networks which import /usr? and also, /usr can become really big especially with local, doc and src
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2433[22:45:07] <vsayikiran1> hi i am back....I posted a question regarding how to set different locales for different users. I followed all the wikis in internet but of no profit......I have 2 users User1 and User2, i wish to set up locale1 and locale2 receptively.
2434[22:45:41] <bionade24> jmcnaught: Thanks, docker-egine is the deprecated package of Docker Inc., nowadays it's docker-ce.
2435[22:45:42] <vsayikiran1> Debian version is buster.....I have installed locales using dpkg -reconfigure locales
2437[22:46:48] <jhutchins> Ede|Popede: The reason for having /usr/bin separate was that disks were small and expensive, so only essential programs went in /bin, ordinary programs in /usr/bin
2439[22:47:06] <vsayikiran1> and verified the locales are enabled using locale -a.....in /etc/locale.gen...and output of locale command.....I have set export LANG=<locale value> in .bashrc, .profile and .dmrc
2440[22:47:17] <jhutchins> Ede|Popede: They were also a bit unreliable, and /usr might not mount, or might mount later in the boot process.
2441[22:47:51] <vsayikiran1> but nothing works....local files are not overriding /etc/default/locale file...which i wish to
2443[22:48:56] <Ede|Popede> jhutchins: i know... i still like to keep my / as small as possible, not possible anymore with all the /usr in it. or i'd have to partition even more than in the past or remount directories into /usr. and i'm not sure if i can even do this in the partitioning phase of the installation
2444[22:49:08] <vsayikiran1> please someone help me....can pm me.....whenever i am available i will reply back with logs
2447[22:50:06] <Ede|Popede> vsayikiran1: login as user1, set the locales for this user. if everything is fine, login as user2 and repeat the steps, just with the other locale
2452[22:51:11] <vsayikiran1> Hi Ede I did but locale value is always taken from /etc/default/locale file........locale value in .bashrc, .profile and .dmrc is unable to override value in /etc/default/locale file
2453[22:51:53] <rant> one problem is locales are a mess, another problem is, you're making assumptions and stating them as facts
2454[22:51:58] <humpled> what kind of login is this
2463[22:53:50] <vsayikiran1> rant: when I set locale value in local user account files and commenting all lines in /etc/default/locale......still locale value are not set in that account
2464[22:54:03] <jhutchins> Ede|Popede: You should read the freedesktop link above.
2465[22:54:03] <petn-randall> humpled: Can you rephrase your question? What login are you referring to?
2466[22:54:15] <hk239> hmm after upgrading to buster, there's a problem with an old software I'm trying to use (err, ufoai), it's trying to find libutils-2.28-system.so but can't find it, it seems the 'binutils' package is updated and has a newer version, any idea how to deal with this issue?
2467[22:54:58] <hk239> tried googling but so far didn't find anything useful
2468[22:55:00] <jhutchins> Ede|Popede: For most general-purpose users, intense partitioning does not provide any actual functionality. / and swap are all they need.
2469[22:55:00] <humpled> when vsayikiran1 was talking about a login, i wondered if they meant a tty or a desktop manager or ssh or what
2470[22:55:05] <vsayikiran1> rant: when I uncommented LANG="en_IN.utf8" in /etc/default/locale file.....i log in any user account in my buster debian pc......everywhere i see only english language
2496[23:08:05] <Enissay> Hi, I am about to use this to ensure my weechat is still running "7 */12 * * * if ! screen -list | grep -q "^weechat$"; then screen -dmS weechat weechat-curses; fi", however, since I have many similar rules and to avoid typos, could someone help putting the name of the screen in a var then use it to do the grep test as well as assign the screen name.
2504[23:10:08] <rant> Enissay: that seems a bit ridiculous
2505[23:10:24] <Enissay> Im listening
2506[23:10:52] <rant> Enissay: if you start screen and a program like an irc client inside, its going to stay running.. no need to check on a time based schedule
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2508[23:11:13] <Enissay> Issue is that some of my screens do stop all the sudden then I have to restart them manually
2509[23:11:16] <rant> idk what you got going on that would cause it to stop but something tells me its not time.. and if it is, you got bigger problems
2510[23:11:38] <Enissay> I admit this never happened with weechat, but I have some personal script who do
2528[23:17:15] <rant> and afaik its absolutely no different than any other script. which is what you should be doing.. writing a damn script not putting a bash scrip inline in a damn cronttab
2530[23:17:37] <Enissay> no brain cell will be needed for simply extracting a variable here and use it in two different spots. I'm not constantly using bash hence the difficulty for me...
2532[23:17:44] <_Vi> Why "gcc -m32 hello.c -o hello" started giving `/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/8/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc` after upgrade to buster?
2562[23:32:11] <noob23> Howdy! Just had my computer fixed but I still need to reinstall some drivers I think; when I turn on the computer it says I'm missing some wireless and bluetooth drivers. I am able to connect to WiFi but it seems tempermental you could say. Some googling has revealed a git of what I think are the right drivers found here: replaced-url
2563[23:32:11] <noob23> /scm/linux/kernel/git/iwlwifi/linux-firmware.git and for more information on the computer I'm using, check here: replaced-url
2564[23:32:12] <noob23> reat but I can't use that for all my interneting
2565[23:32:57] <noob23> Can share a pastebin of some grep'd lspci printout if need be
2566[23:33:47] *** Quits: hulk (~smash@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2578[23:38:36] <rant> jelangkung: yes well when something like that happens its usually some local config issue.. and its far more common to occur on an upgrade where old settings might be an issue with new software
2582[23:39:26] <rant> noob23: and the point is, that we have firmware available so why are you playing around with mfg websites and upstream git repositories
2583[23:40:11] <noob23> well, for starters I'm clueless, so okay I'll try the existing repositories named above?
2584[23:40:30] <dvs> noob23, just add "contrib non-free" to the end of the deb line
2585[23:40:52] <noob23> and then run a line about upgrading/updating?
2586[23:41:04] <petn-randall> ... and then run `apt update` to update the package list, and then `apt install firmware-iwlwifi` to install the firmware.
2615[23:54:28] <noob23> huh? the text only browser?
2616[23:54:33] <Tenkawa> yep
2617[23:54:47] <Tenkawa> type it out from dmesg
2618[23:54:58] <petn-randall> Tenkawa: If you don't understand what problems users have, it might be best if you wait until you understand the issue before answering.
2619[23:55:10] <petn-randall> That way we avoid them explaining their issue over and over.
2620[23:55:39] <Tenkawa> petn-randall: fine I'll stop trying to help.