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18[00:09:37] <jvl> Hi, I'm running buster in LX zone on smartos. New ldconfig from libc-bin 2.28-10 segfaults. Is there a way how to debug this further? replacing binary from strech works, but is hackish ... (replaced-url
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28[00:13:56] <Berzerker> so packages are still showing up under an archive of "testing" when the repository is set to "buster," is this the repository's fault?
29[00:14:19] <Berzerker> or has this generally just not switched over yet
30[00:15:18] <jmcnaught> Where is it showing that?
31[00:15:38] <Berzerker> unattended-upgrades gives me that information, but it's just pulling the information from the respository
32[00:15:58] <Berzerker> I'm using georgia tech's repo, deb replaced-url
33[00:16:06] <Berzerker> >Checking: bzip2 ([<Origin component:'main' archive:'testing' origin:'Debian' label:'Debian' site:'debian.gtisc.gatech.edu' isTrusted:True>])
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36[00:16:47] <jmcnaught> Berzerker: have you run 'apt update' and accepted the change from testing to stable?
37[00:17:06] <Berzerker> `apt update` updates this information?
38[00:17:18] <Berzerker> of course it does...lol
39[00:17:23] <jmcnaught> !apt suite changed
40[00:17:23] <dpkg> If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use 'testing' in your sources.list, apt-get will complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change
41[00:17:49] <jvl> ps auxreplaced-url
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43[00:18:22] <jml2> i dont like unattended-suprise upgrades, i just disable it :)
44[00:18:40] <Berzerker> is there a way to just update the suite without running a full update?
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50[00:23:31] <jml2> Berzerker, you can comment out non-official things, update everything debian, then try to re-enable -- or "edit" your other repos that are more suited for the latest debian
51[00:24:04] <Berzerker> seems like just running an apt update will be easier. :P I'll just go that route. thanks jml2 jmcnaught
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58[00:29:05] <Lady_Aleena> I have to add an & when I open a gui program on the command line, so when I run strace on a gui program, would I add the & at the end to get the command prompt back?
59[00:29:32] <humpled> why do you need the command prompt back?
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64[00:30:41] <Lady_Aleena> humpled, in case I wanted to do other things on the command line; and, I am thinking, if I want to pipe the output of strace to a pastinbin or reader.
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66[00:31:52] <humpled> you want to see the strace and pipe it to a file at the same time
67[00:32:04] <humpled> i'm not sure
68[00:32:10] <Lady_Aleena> Or to pastebinit.
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70[00:33:25] <Lady_Aleena> strace geany | pastebinit -b paste.debian.net -u Lady_Aleena # might not work without the &
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74[00:35:14] <Jack-6619> /msg NickServ REGISTER MP7yhCdgjZK jagdish.mohite@gmail.com
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76[00:36:38] <dvs> get it!
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78[00:36:54] <Lady_Aleena> Well, it looks like I have a problem with pastebinit: replaced-url
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82[00:38:10] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: I filed a bug report on that.
83[00:38:28] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, thanks! 8)
84[00:38:41] <Lady_Aleena> And -u doesn't work either.
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86[00:40:35] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: have you tried just install --reinstall geany replace -u with -a
87[00:40:38] <Lady_Aleena> I tested -u with "lla | pastebinit -b paste.debian.net -u LadyAleena" and the paste showed up with "me" has the username.
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89[00:41:12] <LtL> and paste.debian.net should be the default
90[00:41:37] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, -a worked!
91[00:43:06] <Lady_Aleena> Thanks LtL.
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94[00:43:19] <Lady_Aleena> So, now to test the strace.
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98[00:44:03] <Lady_Aleena> strace geany & | pastebinit -a LadyAleena # bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|'
99[00:45:12] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: welcome, try & at he end, i don't know why you bother with that though
100[00:45:55] <Lady_Aleena> Because strace is still running even though geany is already open.
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104[00:48:00] <Lady_Aleena> Even with the & it is still running. However, I don't know how strace works.
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107[00:49:47] <humpled> didn't you expect to see some console output? now that is being redirected to the pastebinit command
108[00:50:02] <humpled> or rather piped
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110[00:51:19] <humpled> with a redirect like 'strace geany > strace.log' you could do 'tail -f strace.log' in another terminal
111[00:51:36] <humpled> and upload to pastebin when you have something suitable
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114[00:52:01] <Lady_Aleena> humpled, I didn't pipe it that last time, I just ran it.
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117[00:52:53] <Lady_Aleena> humpled, I will give that a try.
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122[00:54:50] <Lady_Aleena> humpled, I just tried 'strace geany > strace-geany.og' and it returned an empty file.
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124[00:55:02] <Lady_Aleena> s/og/log/;
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134[00:59:36] <humpled> well are you waiting for it to crash or something?
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138[01:02:08] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: I would save your projects and 'apt-get install --reinstall geany'
139[01:02:14] <Lady_Aleena> I need help figuring out why geany isn't using the theme I chose and was told to run strace.
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141[01:03:07] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: sounds like theme doesn't play nice with it, it happens.
142[01:03:23] * Lady_Aleena is reinstalling.
143[01:04:03] <Lady_Aleena> Reinstalling didn't help. *head desks*
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145[01:04:31] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: change the theme, see if that helps
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148[01:04:53] <Lady_Aleena> In a few minutes, I need to go fold laundry.
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173[01:22:59] <Lady_Aleena> Geany's appearance changes for only a few themes.
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179[01:29:14] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: is it just the 'look' that bothers you, or geany's performance? geany simple doesn't like just any old theme. where do you get these themes?
180[01:29:28] <LtL> *simply
181[01:29:47] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, the "look" because it is so big it gets in the way.
182[01:30:09] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: use a theme that works.
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186[01:31:12] <troka> Oi
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188[01:31:38] <Lady_Aleena> Redmond is the only theme I like. *sighs*
189[01:32:02] <troka> Speak purtuguese?
190[01:32:34] <jmcnaught> !br
191[01:32:34] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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194[01:32:55] <troka> okay
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202[01:35:36] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, the themes came with XFCE (or maybe GTK3), I think.
203[01:35:54] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, they are in /usr/share/themes
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205[01:36:31] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: so it's a xfce4 theme, not geany?
206[01:36:54] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, It could be a more general GTK theme.
207[01:37:28] <Lady_Aleena> I haven't looked at KDE yet to see if it has the same themes.
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209[01:37:41] <rjsalts> anyone had problems with intel video cards and the Xorg in buster?
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211[01:38:22] <rjsalts> Every display manager I've tried starts X but only gives me the cursor. The rest of the stuff doesn't work
212[01:39:23] <rjsalts> The only EE line in xorg log is [ 55683.171] (EE) modeset(0): failed to set mode: Invalid argument
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214[01:39:47] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: those are DE themes, maybe install a geany theme for geany, replaced-url
215[01:41:00] <humbot> wow strace geany produces quite a bit of output
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219[01:44:07] <LtL> humbot: i'm thinking that can't be a good thing.
220[01:44:17] <jmcnaught> rjsalts: maybe you need firmware?
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224[01:45:59] <humbot> seems it's just all the os/memory function calls and their returns
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226[01:48:35] <rjsalts> jmcnaught: not sure. I've got it working with X -configure and using the generated config file, it just doesn't seem to work without an xorg.conf
227[01:49:22] <LtL> humbot: i closed geany after about 5 gazillion lines of strace output with no end in sight
228[01:49:28] <rjsalts> worked fine with stretch
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247[02:02:59] <Lady_Aleena> LtL and humbot, the following lines from strace geany are the ones that may concern me regarding the theme: replaced-url
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251[02:05:48] <dbear> */msg dpkg guidlines
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255[02:09:26] <humbot> poor thing looks like it only needed one of those files but couldn't find any
256[02:10:20] <humbot> Redmond seems to be called Xfce-redmondxp on stretch at least
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258[02:10:49] <dbear> I have new install of Stretch, and Gnome shell seems to crash with segfaults. It's happened 2x. After googling, there is an issue going back to buster/sid time frame. Reports also on stretch. I'm not using nvidia drivers -- using nouveau.
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260[02:12:45] <Lady_Aleena> Ah, SOB! Not all themes have a gtk-3 version. *head desks*
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263[02:14:55] <jmcnaught> dbear: what's in the logs when the crash happens?
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266[02:15:59] <dbear> kernel message show segfault
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268[02:16:19] <dbear> here's the paste replaced-url
269[02:16:55] <dbear> scanning the logs for anything else
270[02:18:29] <dbear> also finding these replaced-url
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315[02:49:59] * Lady_Aleena glowers at her monitor because she has only 7 gkt-3 themes.
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317[02:50:36] <somiaj> only 7?
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320[02:51:23] <Lady_Aleena> Yes, only 7: Adwaita, Adwaita-dark, Breeze, Breeze-Dark, Clearlooks-Phenix, Emacs, and HighContrast; and I don't like any of them.
321[02:51:49] <somiaj> Yea, I go with just defaults, I guess I'm not that exciting.
322[02:52:00] <Lady_Aleena> All the other themes are gtk-2.
323[02:52:01] <somiaj> Did you see if debian has any more?
324[02:52:09] <Lady_Aleena> Yes.
325[02:52:43] <somiaj> I think debian mainly provides the engines, and you can download the ones you like and put in $HOME from some place like gnomelook.org (forget actual domain)
326[02:52:50] <Tom-_> it used to be that you could get themes on random places on the internet
327[02:52:50] <Lady_Aleena> But who knows, I may be putting the wrong search term into the Debian packages search box.
328[02:52:57] <Tom-_> themes.org used to be a place
329[02:53:01] <Tom-_> !themes
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331[02:53:48] <somiaj> Na, I don't think debian shipps that many themes (just to many out there), but most themes are just modifications of some engine, so if you have the right engine installed, you can just download/install the theme you want in $HOME somewhere
332[02:54:09] <somiaj> replaced-url
333[02:54:27] <somiaj> replaced-url
334[02:54:28] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I can't find redmond in gtk-3 anywhere.
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336[02:55:24] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: isn't redmond a windows look a like? What one ware you looking for?
337[02:56:04] <somiaj> replaced-url
338[02:56:11] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, yes, redmond is a theme that makes my applications look a little like Windows.
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341[02:57:59] <somiaj> replaced-url
342[02:58:23] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, thank you for looking. I took a look at how those themes look, and none of them look like redmond.
343[02:58:35] <Lady_Aleena> ^ first link
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345[02:59:33] <somiaj> yea, I just searched for readmond and found gtk3 themes, both on gnome-look and the original sources.
346[03:00:09] <somiaj> seems you might be able to just put the themes in $HOME/.themes
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352[03:04:09] <somiaj> looks like you can download the redmon themes to $HOME/.themes then see if you configuration tool sees it or use something like gnome-tweaks
353[03:04:56] <Lady_Aleena> I don't know what I'm going to do yet. I was hoping that I would find a package with redmond gtk-3 in Debian packages for my birthday.
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356[03:05:45] <Lady_Aleena> Installing from the package manager is so much easier.
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359[03:06:53] <Lady_Aleena> So, now that i know WHY Geany isn't seeing my chosen theme, I guess I should shut up now.
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362[03:09:25] <somiaj> Yea, I don't see as many themes beign packaged, I think it is due to man power and people can just download and install them locally.
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364[03:10:43] <stinerman> Hello everyone. Since upgrading to Buster my machine shuts down and reboots about 10-15 seconds after I wake it up from a suspend. I booted from the Buster Live CD (Gnome) and don't see the issue. I had a thought it was one of the watchdog timers going silly, but I removed the modules from the kernel and still had the problem. Does anyone have a
365[03:10:44] <stinerman> ny advice regarding which logs to look through or perhaps what config files need to be replaced?
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370[03:13:42] <somiaj> stinerman: do you have journald set up to be persistnat. I would create the directory /var/log/journal then after it does this, go back through the logs right before it shut down, maybe something will show.
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372[03:15:52] <stinerman> I do not believe so given the directory does not exist. I have looked through dmesg and such and didn't find much other than some modules that aren't being loaded correctly (watchdog stuff), but I don't think the logs are persistent. I will try that.
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378[03:18:06] <karlpinc> stinerman: There's always going old-school. Set up the console on a serial port (or via usb, perhaps via usb->serial) and use a separate machine to watch what shows up on the console. Frankly, I don't know whether this would be at all useful. Could be...
379[03:18:08] <somiaj> some logs are only stored in memeory via journald and will be lost after a reboot, creating that directory will save some of those logs.
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381[03:18:32] <somiaj> then you will have to use jounralctl to search through them
382[03:19:17] <karlpinc> Go the console route after following somiaj's advice, if you have to.
383[03:19:20] <stinerman> Yes, I haven't been reading through logs in some time so I never learned the new systemd way of doing things. I have a bit of reading to do for sure.
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475[04:26:51] <soda__hobart> hi everybody, I'm having a hard time setting my FQDN -- I keep getting "the specified hostname is invalid" when I use hostname -F /etc/hostname
476[04:27:23] <soda__hobart> I have DNS working
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479[04:28:34] <jmcnaught> soda__hobart: /etc/hostname should just be the hostname, not the FQDN
480[04:29:34] <soda__hobart> jmcnaught: oh, ok--so I just use hostnamectl to set the FQDN?
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482[04:30:56] <jmcnaught> soda__hobart: you put your FQDN in /etc/hosts
483[04:31:25] <jmcnaught> soda__hobart: normally on Debian 127.0.1.1 is set to the FQDN and hostname in /etc/hosts
484[04:32:34] <soda__hobart> jmcnaught: it all makes so much sense now
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489[04:35:05] <soda__hobart> jmcnaught: is there a good way to see if it's set properly now?
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491[04:36:11] <jmcnaught> soda__hobart: you can ping it
492[04:36:25] <soda__hobart> jmcnaught: oh yeah, duh
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494[04:37:44] <soda__hobart> jmcnaught: does it make a difference if I have "somethingstupid.mysite.com" or just "mysite.com" ?
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551[05:10:48] <awal1> not sure how to make 'obsession-logout' display it's gtk dialog in my main laptop screen, not in my extra monitorxrandr
552[05:11:00] <awal1> oops
553[05:11:02] <wr> was getting an error on a deb file install on dpkg replaced-url
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556[05:11:50] <awal1> not sure how to make 'obsession-logout' display it's gtk dialog in my main laptop screen, not in my extra monitor. it have an option "--display=DISPLAY" but not sure how I can call that
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558[05:13:01] <awal1> and not sure why by default it opens it's logout window dialog in my extra monitor instead of in the main laptop one
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560[05:13:05] <awal1> any clue?
561[05:16:09] <awal1> "echo $DISPLAY" ----> ":0"
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563[05:16:23] <jmcnaught> wr: try using 'su -l' (a login shell, sets the environment and $PATH you want) instead of just 'su'
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567[05:17:41] <awal1> i do "obsession-logout --display=:0" and obsession window logout dialog still displayed in the extra monitor screen
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569[05:18:27] <awal1> not sure if the problem here is environment related or (x)randr stuff
570[05:19:56] <wr> jmcnaught, ah for sure that, would export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/games:/usr/games be ok?
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572[05:20:39] <awal1> xrandr says I have 'LVDS-1' (MY MAIN LAPTOP)and 'HDMI-1' (the extra tv monitor)
573[05:21:16] <awal1> I think I my report a bug (?)
574[05:21:30] <awal1> not sure if a wish one or what
575[05:22:29] <jmcnaught> wr: why would you need to do that? Are you using 'su' to become root?
576[05:23:20] <wr> jmcnaught, last time i did, but everything went ok, now tried su -l
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584[05:33:45] <wr> jmcnaught, how can i reset the path variable and set it again to avoid that error on deb file install?
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597[05:41:20] <jmcnaught> wr: stop using 'su' and use 'su -l' or 'su -' or 'sudo -i' and $PATH will be set correctly while you are root
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601[05:43:52] <wr> jmcnaught, like said, not using su now, when used su -l failed, on su -, worked
602[05:44:34] <sk1pfl1p> I am kind of excited about Debian. su is a fun time..
603[05:44:47] <jml2> wr, su -l and su - should work the same, otherwise that's likely a bug
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605[05:45:33] <jml2> manpage has "-, -l, --login" to do the same thing..
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607[05:48:26] <wr> jml2, you guys probably know more on this than me, i don't know exactly why but this was what happened, i did try to change the path variable couple times and it wasn't setting, now i got it, i used a export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/games:/usr/games, but don't know exactly what i should have there
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613[05:54:32] <jml2> wr, you don't need the bin things, unless you want to have "/home/user/bin --- the default PATH= is defined in /etc/[global bash settings] , when you use $PATH in PATH= in ~/.bashrc , you are just adding the default global things after your preferred things
614[05:54:51] <jml2> (eg, PATH=~/bin:$PATH goes in your bash startup file)
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618[06:00:08] <sk1pfl1p> Hey, how are we?
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671[06:48:42] <annadane> oh. sent 48 minutes ago, sorry
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735[07:52:01] <Ha0hmaru> ,v kdenlive
736[07:52:02] <judd> Package: kdenlive on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.10-2; stretch: 16.12.2-1; bullseye: 18.12.3-1; buster: 18.12.3-1; sid: 19.04.2-2; stretch-multimedia: 1:17.04.2-dmo1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:19.04.2-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 1:19.04.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:19.04.2-dmo1
737[07:52:28] <somiaj> !msg the bots
738[07:52:28] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
739[07:52:44] <somiaj> or /msg judd v packagename
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743[07:54:57] <Ha0hmaru> somiaj, you think i remember which bot does the ,v command?
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745[07:55:16] <Ha0hmaru> but yes, i normally try to privmsg them
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756[08:06:28] <somiaj> on a debian system just run 'apt policy kdenlive' to show what version is available in y our soruces.
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759[08:07:57] <Ha0hmaru> that only tells me about the package version available in my debian version
760[08:08:08] <Ha0hmaru> okay, imma stop using ,v
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772[08:14:47] <EdePopede> Ha0hmaru: i avoid this decision problem by opening queries to dpkg and judd as soon as i enter the channel after connect (which doesn't happen too often). really good idea with the scrollback on irc clients.
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776[08:15:24] <sk1pfl1p> Hey guys..
777[08:15:41] <sk1pfl1p> Mumble VoIP to discuss Debian: 149.28.63.186
778[08:15:51] <Ha0hmaru> nah, imma use that page that could give you sorta the same info as ,v
779[08:16:00] <Ha0hmaru> except i always forget w
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781[08:16:07] <Ha0hmaru> ..how to find it
782[08:17:03] <Ha0hmaru> i use it at home since i have it left open in firefokz
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803[08:35:57] <EdePopede> would be nice if the factoid db had an api to use it from the irc client /,v $factoid or something connected to a local script that filters the output and usually returns the factoid. or directly from the shell. a bit of a mix of the functionality of inxi and wttr.in
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837[09:03:19] <scde> Hello, I was trying to install libxcb-errors ( replaced-url
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849[09:11:50] <zamba> hoi
850[09:12:01] <zamba> we just found an old debian squeeze installation sitting in the outskirts of our network
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853[09:12:06] <zamba> what are our options to get this upgraded?
854[09:12:22] <zamba> both squeeze and wheezy are EoL, right?
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860[09:15:09] <badagent> Hi, I have a machine which didn't boot after an update (/boot was full and no initramfs could be written). Rollback didn't work because of XZ-Compression errors. When trying to chroot from a live Distribution, I noticed that at least bash, ld/libc gave me segfaults. After restoring initramfs there is still some applications not working (e.g. dhclient, which gives me "illegal instruction"). I will wipe and reinstall but I would like to
861[09:15:10] <badagent> know what caused all this. IMHO someone must have powered off the machine during the update process...? Do you have any other ideas?
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863[09:15:18] <zamba> ah, archive.debian.org
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873[09:19:49] <scde> badagent: I have no real experience with what you are talking about but have you checked the logs? Maybe there is something worthwhile?
874[09:22:08] <badagent> scde: Yeah I did and I could see that the update was complaining about not having enough space on /boot and therefore not writing initramfs (which is what I expected and why I tried to repair). What I did not expect were all the segfaults and corrupted binaries and the corrupted older kernels.
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878[09:24:44] <bendem> is there a simple toggle that enables/disables dynamic motd (using /etc/update-motd.d)? There is a lot of information, but it looks to me like it should be the default behavior.
879[09:24:48] <scde> badagent: Ah ok. Well sorry then can't really help you there. But good luck cracking that problem
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882[09:25:31] <bendem> basically, I have a newly provisionned server that doesn't show the dynamic motd, only the static part. I don't know what's up
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885[09:26:19] <badagent> scde: thanks
886[09:26:48] <blackflow> bendem: does debian even have that? I thought that was Ubuntu's addition.
887[09:27:05] <bendem> blackflow, it does replaced-url
888[09:27:16] <bendem> but I can't make it work
889[09:27:57] <bendem> the /etc/update-motd.d directory exists on official images with 10-uname in it, so I guess it's supposed to work
890[09:28:48] <humpled> is that new?
891[09:29:00] <bendem> debian 8+ according to that page
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893[09:29:11] <bendem> I've definitely made it work before
894[09:29:44] <bendem> I setup the ansible playbook on stretch and it did the thing, I'm now running it on a new server (still stretch) and no luck
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896[09:30:12] <bendem> all it does is install --owner root -g root -m 0755 file /etc/update-motd.d/file
897[09:30:20] <blackflow> bendem: so you're expecting this over ssh?
898[09:30:25] <bendem> yes
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900[09:30:38] <blackflow> does your sshd config have UsePAM? it's a pam module that triggers this
901[09:30:53] <humpled> i never see the motd
902[09:31:03] <bendem> blackflow, it does
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904[09:31:17] <blackflow> bendem: and PrintMotd?
905[09:31:26] <bendem> I connect through ldap, let me test with an actual user
906[09:31:34] <bendem> yup, same thing
907[09:32:04] <bendem> blackflow, it's no, but that's documented on the page I linked
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914[09:34:27] <humpled> so is hushlogin not relevant on ssh?
915[09:34:52] <bendem> the /run/motd.dynamic file is correctly updated on login, it's not displayed though
916[09:37:17] <blackflow> bendem: is the pam module enabled? in /etc/pam.d/login
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918[09:37:37] <blackflow> session optional pam_motd.so motd=/run/motd.dynamic
919[09:37:37] <blackflow> session optional pam_motd.so noupdate
920[09:37:47] <bendem> yes, that's what I have
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922[09:38:23] <bendem> replaced-url
923[09:38:24] <blackflow> bendem: well, it works for me, but there aren't any scripts in update-motd.d except the base 10-uname
924[09:39:11] <blackflow> /run/motd.dynamic shows the uname (due to 10-uname) and there's static text in /etc/motd, both are shown on login, with "UsePAM yes"
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951[09:58:51] <abeu> scientists have just announced today that dolphins are second to man in intelligence levels. so that pushes women down to third place
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960[10:03:34] <cheston> screw you Sigyn
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964[10:04:39] * cheston screw you Sigyn
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968[10:05:30] <Ha0hmaru> imma get back to upgrading my debian
969[10:05:37] <cheston> screw you Sigyn
970[10:05:43] * cheston screw you Sigyn
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974[10:06:47] <Ha0hmaru> do i have to run the commands in text mode?
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978[10:07:14] <Ha0hmaru> and do i have to do the "Don't forget to mount all needed partitions" step?
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980[10:07:42] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: upgrade to buster?
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982[10:07:46] <linsmh8> screw you Sigyn
983[10:07:46] <Ha0hmaru> yes
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985[10:07:50] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: I'd personally run the upgrade from the most minimal environment (in terms of active programs and services) possible
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988[10:08:14] <Ha0hmaru> okay, so, log out of lxde then, and switch to terminal
989[10:08:27] <Ha0hmaru> altho, the login manager will be running, plus who knows what else
990[10:08:27] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: i'd reboot into systemd.unit=multi-user.taret
991[10:08:31] <blackflow> *target
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993[10:08:39] * linsmh8 screw you Sigyn
994[10:08:53] <Ha0hmaru> no idea how to do that
995[10:08:53] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: that's the kernel command line option you can give through the grub menu
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997[10:08:59] <Ha0hmaru> oh
998[10:09:12] <blackflow> essentially the console-only boot, no xorg and its deps (DM, WM, ...)
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1003[10:10:16] <Ha0hmaru> i'm following this guide, and i'm down to that step now: replaced-url
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1006[10:11:37] <erhard> Sigyn screw you
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1011[10:12:11] <blackflow> someone's testing Sigyn's tresholds....
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1015[10:12:38] <Ha0hmaru> blackflow, so in grub i press 'c' for command line?
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1017[10:12:52] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: no, 'e' to edit the default menu entry
1018[10:13:12] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: then arrow down to the kernel line (vmlinuz) and add at the end systemd.unit=multi-user.target
1019[10:13:23] <blackflow> then hit F10 to continue booting that entry
1020[10:13:24] <husseinwry9> Sigyn screw you
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1030[10:15:46] <Ha0hmaru> okay, i'm in ;P~
1031[10:15:58] <Ha0hmaru> do i gotta mount stuff?
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1034[10:16:13] <Ha0hmaru> i haven't done anything fancy in fstab
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1038[10:17:37] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: then no, that's just a reminder if you have some custom mounting configuration
1039[10:17:55] <blackflow> (eg. /boot unmounted except when you run updates)
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1045[10:20:04] <sunkan> I'm rebuilding a package (amanda) and the package version is 1:3.5.1-2+b2, but in the changelog it has 1:3.5.1-2 so my package was named 1:3.5.1-2+as1 when I rebuilt it. Where does the +b2 come from, and what is the recommended version for my rebuilt package. As I did it now it looks like a older package than the original +b2 package.
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1047[10:20:57] <sunkan> I mean that for example aptitude will want to "downgrade" to the original package instead of my rebuilt one.
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1054[10:22:57] <Ha0hmaru> "1422 packages can be upgraded."
1055[10:22:59] <donaltcei3> Sigyn screw you
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1063[10:26:35] <axe> screw you Sigyn
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1065[10:27:03] <smsimeon> so I wasn't the only one
1066[10:27:14] <smsimeon> Mine were 1613
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1068[10:27:26] <smsimeon> I thought apt spazzed out
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1073[10:28:17] <sk1pfl1p> Discuss Debian in our Mumble server pls? 149.28.63.186
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1075[10:28:30] <Ha0hmaru> okay, now "apt upgrade" says "1185 upgraded, 349 newly installed, 0 to remove and 237 not upgraded. Do you want to continue?"
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1086[10:31:21] <maddy> screw you Sigyn
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1095[10:36:50] <Ha0hmaru> is that good? should i hit Yes?
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1097[10:37:26] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: only you can answer that :)
1098[10:37:32] <Ha0hmaru> how?!
1099[10:37:33] <Ha0hmaru> :/
1100[10:37:51] <blackflow> it's like getting into a car and asking whether you should turn it on and drive and how....
1101[10:38:05] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: back up all your data and hit yes... :)
1102[10:38:24] <blackflow> (ie. turn on tesla autopilot and cross your fingers)
1103[10:38:36] <Ha0hmaru> 237 things won't be upgraded, is that because something's wrong, or because they are the same versions already?
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1105[10:39:26] <Ha0hmaru> okay, this is the most non-critical debian9 installation i got (that's why i'm doing the upgrade here first)
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1107[10:39:44] <Ha0hmaru> so imma hit Yes and think happy thoughts
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1110[10:40:38] <sunkan> Ha0hmaru: Those packages are most likely old dependencies to previous package versions. They can be removed entirely at a later stage.
1111[10:40:47] <Ha0hmaru> k
1112[10:41:00] <Ha0hmaru> 5.650kB/sec, noice
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1115[10:42:39] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: old deps or maybe something you had from -backports?
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1118[10:43:31] <Ha0hmaru> nah, i don't have anything from backports on this debian9, i *do* have on the other installations which are more important, that's why i'm not upgrading them yet
1119[10:43:48] <Ha0hmaru> the guide says that i will have problems with those
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1121[10:43:52] <Ha0hmaru> :~(
1122[10:43:59] <SwK> held back that the dist-upgrade or full-upgrade will deal with later
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1124[10:44:36] <SwK> thats lower in the page you are following Ha0hmaru
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1136[10:52:28] <emilsp> hrm, my /boot has no vmlinuz files, and grub shows no entries. What do I run from the rescue shell to fix this?
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1140[10:55:04] <klys> emilsp, you need an operating system to install linux.
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1142[10:55:23] <klys> try booting from a live iso
1143[10:55:31] <klys> or something like that.
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1145[10:56:52] <emilsp> klys: I've booted into the rescue mode from a debian install ISO.
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1148[10:57:36] <klys> emilsp, have you mounted your / partition?
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1151[10:58:03] <emilsp> The rescue mode does that automatically, I've also mounted my efi partition
1152[10:58:16] <klys> emilsp, where is it mounted?
1153[10:58:26] <emilsp> it seems that running apt intsall --reinstall linux-image-amd64 does not in fact run mkinitramfs and update-initramfs and all the like
1154[10:58:32] <emilsp> I've already chrooted into my /
1155[10:58:38] <emilsp> because rescue mode does that for me :)
1156[10:58:53] <klys> does grub-install work or give you an error?
1157[10:59:38] <blackflow> emilsp: do you need to mount /boot too?
1158[11:00:41] <emilsp> blackflow: I did mount boot
1159[11:01:16] <emilsp> klys: grub-install did work just fine :) update-grub did too, except that it did not set up any entries for my kernels, so I can only _boot_ into system setup
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1161[11:02:06] <klys> Im not sure how to add an entry, as I usually edit grub.cfg directly.
1162[11:02:47] <emilsp> well, I'm sure it'd be easier if I had any vmlinuz files in /boot, but there are none
1163[11:03:25] <emilsp> by the way, must I mount my EFI partition to /boot or /boot/efi ?
1164[11:03:38] <klys> and you did apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-amd64 ? try: dpkg -L linux-image-amd64
1165[11:04:00] <emilsp> klys: I did run exactly that, yes.
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1167[11:04:04] <blackflow> emilsp: you need to install the kernel _first_ so when you install or update or reconfigure grub, it can locate the kernel and initramfs and add them to the menu
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1170[11:05:24] <emilsp> apt-get actually complains about not being able to initialize newt frontend when I do that, but by the runtime of it, it doesn't seem to regenrate initramfs
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1172[11:05:45] <emilsp> it does install it _successfully_ though.
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1176[11:07:25] <jelly> emilsp, if /boot was completely empty it's possible you have a separate /boot partition that merely is not mounted
1177[11:07:35] <klys> if you dont have anything in /boot, you must have missed that package.
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1181[11:08:20] <emilsp> jelly: this is a fairly botched attempt at moving a system over from a flash drive over to an hdd. In any case, should I be mounting /boot or /boot/efi for efi?
1182[11:08:36] <jelly> emilsp, /boot/efi
1183[11:08:49] <emilsp> yep, then it should all be good?
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1185[11:09:34] <jelly> maybe, maybe not, I don't see the whole picture
1186[11:09:35] <emilsp> nah, after running update-initramfs -u and generating something for my currently installed kernel, update-grub still did not pick up on it :/ even though I have an initrd in /boot now
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1188[11:10:09] <jelly> emilsp, pastebin or screenshot the output of "lsblk"
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1190[11:10:25] <jelly> and show the current contents of /boot/ as well
1191[11:10:44] <emilsp> sure, let me boot it up again
1192[11:11:03] <jelly> I meant in the current state
1193[11:11:24] <emilsp> I just rebooted to see if I fixed it, but I didn't. I'll get it back to the state it was when I was last fixing it.
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1195[11:11:54] <emilsp> erm, I've not done this in a while, is there a nice | curl $url thing I can use?
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1202[11:16:03] <jelly> !sprunge
1203[11:16:08] <emilsp> replaced-url
1204[11:16:17] <emilsp> I was under the impression that sprunge died.
1205[11:16:27] <emilsp> ah, it's still kicking :)
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1207[11:17:02] <jelly> it does not seem you have a separate /boot
1208[11:17:21] <jelly> so you're on the right track repopulating it
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1211[11:18:13] <jelly> however. "linux-image-amd64" is just a metapackage that depends on the the actual package containing kernel stuff
1212[11:18:35] <emilsp> how do I repopulate it though? I was under the impression that dpkg -S /boot would solve all of my issues. Alas, that is not the case. Maybe I'm installing something wrong?
1213[11:18:35] <jelly> emilsp, you will want to reinstall linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64
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1215[11:18:52] <jelly> what did dpkg -S /boot say, I missed that?
1216[11:19:00] <emilsp> it did nothing
1217[11:19:11] <jelly> really?
1218[11:19:20] <jelly> which debian release is this supposed to be?
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1220[11:19:25] <emilsp> nothing measurable. This is debian 10
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1222[11:19:44] <jelly> did it show ANY package name?
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1225[11:20:02] <emilsp> it showed me my kernel package, yes
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1228[11:20:31] <jelly> and nothing else?
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1231[11:20:45] <emilsp> oh, I feel I'm close - installing the non-meta-pacakge kernel does actually run update-initramfs.
1232[11:20:54] <emilsp> I'll post the output of that after I'm done with the current command
1233[11:20:57] <crank> Bonjour
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1235[11:21:20] <emilsp> But it seems it has fixed my issues though, since update-grup now did show ouptut about finding my kernel!
1236[11:21:22] <jelly> good day, crank
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1239[11:21:31] <BCMM> emilsp: i didn't see the start of this, but dpkg -S /boot won't show e.g. /boot/grub, which was installed by grub's scripts rather than by dpkg
1240[11:21:44] <crank> thanks you too jelly
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1243[11:22:34] <emilsp> jelly: this was the output of dpkg -S /boot replaced-url
1244[11:23:09] <jelly> ah, that makes more sense.
1245[11:23:40] <emilsp> but I think installing the non-meta package has fixed everything, now I'm actually booting!!! thank you very much guys.
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1260[11:32:59] <crank> Bonjour
1261[11:33:23] <Ha0hmaru> Jonbour
1262[11:34:23] <jelly> crank, are you a bot?
1263[11:34:29] <crank> no
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1266[11:34:49] <Habbie> that's what a bot would say
1267[11:35:03] <crank> bad tupping
1268[11:35:05] <crank> *sorry
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1270[11:35:37] <jelly> okay. There's no need to say hi every 15 minutes in here, it's a support-focused channel
1271[11:36:22] <Ha0hmaru> but "thanks" is allowed, right?
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1273[11:36:59] <ayekat> yes - even "hello" is allowed, but it's a bit pointless as a single message (see replaced-url
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1275[11:37:37] <Ha0hmaru> o_O
1276[11:37:53] <Ha0hmaru> did i just saw libboobs?!
1277[11:38:04] * Ha0hmaru is upgrading to 10
1278[11:38:06] <jelly> hellos do not scale up, we don't want everyone coming in to say hello
1279[11:38:20] <jelly> thanks are nice after getting help
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1300[11:53:20] <Ha0hmaru> nice, it saw that i've modified lightdm.conf and asked me wut i wanna do with it.. gud apt
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1302[11:54:57] <Ticho> I still prefer gentoo's etc-update, though, with its interactive editing/merging of config files :)
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1319[12:05:21] <Ha0hmaru> oh wow, it's "done"
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1336[12:17:24] <Tencryn> This might be an odd one. I usually get cron job emails to root@example.com but that domain has since expired so I've changed what I know of to root@new.com. Emails are still trying to be sent to example but I'm not sure where that is configured. I don't have MAILTO in my crontab that's for sure. Any ideas?
1337[12:18:20] <Ha0hmaru> crap, "The following unsupported devices are present in the machine: VGA blahblah NVIDIA GF108 (GeForce GT 630), aborting driver installation
1338[12:18:22] <Ha0hmaru> :/
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1340[12:19:23] <Ha0hmaru> it told me that the new driver doesn't include this card, and that i can install a different legacy driver, or nouv-whatever, so i told it to not install the new driver
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1342[12:19:41] <Ha0hmaru> but now the upgrade stopped
1343[12:20:28] <Ha0hmaru> that's the "apt full-upgrade" step
1344[12:20:34] <Ha0hmaru> do i just repeat it?
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1346[12:22:18] <Ha0hmaru> maybe i should do this: "dpkg -r --force-depends package_name" ?
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1366[12:35:00] <jelly> Ha0hmaru, show as much of the output as you can.
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1389[12:52:10] <Ha0hmaru> that would be tricky, wouldn't it?
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1392[12:54:13] <Ha0hmaru> i've added "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" to grub, afaik i can't do much fancy things at the moment
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1394[12:54:27] <Ha0hmaru> and i'm scared to reboot or do anything fancy
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1397[12:57:26] <Ha0hmaru> if there's a way to skip the nvidia driver situation (as long as it's not dangerous) and continue with the rest of "apt full-upgrade" - that would be awesome
1398[12:58:38] <jelly> Ha0hmaru, you could remove all the nvidia stuff.
1399[12:59:10] <jelly> Ha0hmaru, what does aptitude search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' say?
1400[12:59:12] <earend1> full upgrade includes non-free packages?
1401[12:59:42] <jelly> earend1, it includes whatever repos are configured and enabled.
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1404[13:00:41] <Ha0hmaru> after this TUI dialog went away, i got "Aborting nvidia driver installation." "dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-legacy-check_418.74-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): new nvidia-legacy-check package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1"
1405[13:01:05] <earend1> jelly: okay
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1407[13:01:32] <Ha0hmaru> jelly, i think i don't have this aptitude thing :/
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1409[13:01:40] <jelly> sigh
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1411[13:02:02] <earend1> you could remove non-free packages from the sources list Ha0hmaru
1412[13:02:10] <jelly> Ha0hmaru, are you at least logging output of the release upgrade with script or screen or tmux?
1413[13:02:11] <Ha0hmaru> what i know is, i had the nasty nvidia non-free driver installed on the debian9
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1415[13:02:15] <EdePopede> Ha0hmaru: oops. NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 630] here too. so... good luck :)
1416[13:02:19] <earend1> then apt-update .. and then apt-upgrade
1417[13:02:26] <Ha0hmaru> jelly, i did the "script" thing as the guide told me to
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1419[13:02:40] <jelly> earend1, that will keep the already installed ones in place, and all their deps.
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1421[13:03:25] <jelly> Ha0hmaru, that's very good. Run "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install"
1422[13:03:38] <Ha0hmaru> iirc with nouveau (however it's spelled) i had a quite low redraw speed when the display is rotated with xrandr
1423[13:03:41] <jelly> and then we'll see
1424[13:04:13] <jelly> if the tool told you which legacy drivers to install, then that's probably the least worst option
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1426[13:05:08] <Ha0hmaru> jelly, the TUI dialog told me (if i understood correctly) that there is support for my card, but in a different package
1427[13:05:11] <Ha0hmaru> or something like that
1428[13:05:16] <Ha0hmaru> so i said "No"
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1430[13:05:18] <Ha0hmaru> :/
1431[13:05:23] <jelly> yes. It also told you which package.
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1433[13:05:33] <Ha0hmaru> yes
1434[13:05:49] <Ha0hmaru> something something nvidia something something legacy something some numbers something
1435[13:06:01] <jelly> those somethings are useful info.
1436[13:06:16] <Ha0hmaru> i know, but my photographic memory is lousy
1437[13:06:30] <jelly> before you get to that you want ot have dpkg and apt in a consistent state.
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1439[13:07:31] <jelly> and those two commands above help with that.
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1442[13:07:48] <Ha0hmaru> okay, so, the two commands you told me to run: dpkg did some stuff, now apt-get says "0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove, 55 not upgraded."
1443[13:07:59] <jelly> 55 is not much at all.
1444[13:08:15] <Ha0hmaru> so i hit Yes then
1445[13:08:17] <jelly> go install aptitude.
1446[13:08:30] <jelly> Yes when?
1447[13:08:47] <jelly> Yes to what?
1448[13:08:49] <Ha0hmaru> to the "apt-get -f install" command
1449[13:09:07] <jelly> what does it want to do?
1450[13:09:20] <Ha0hmaru> it wants to install pythonz
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1452[13:09:31] <jelly> show the output.
1453[13:09:39] <Ha0hmaru> python3-distutils and some other crap
1454[13:09:56] <Ha0hmaru> i gotta type it :~(
1455[13:09:58] <Ha0hmaru> hold on
1456[13:10:19] <jelly> no camera phone to take a ssccreenshot?
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1458[13:10:33] <Ha0hmaru> no
1459[13:10:41] <klys> apt-get -f install &> 0001.txt
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1461[13:10:45] <jelly> no second terminal or console to paste to?
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1463[13:10:54] <Ha0hmaru> mm, i don't know
1464[13:11:00] <jelly> klys, that's not complete and not a good idea to run apt blind like that
1465[13:11:36] <jelly> well perhaps it's complete, I don't know what &> does
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1468[13:11:51] <Ha0hmaru> as i mentioned, i'm running from grub with "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" added to the command thing
1469[13:12:07] <EdePopede> with tee maybe? though i'm not sure what ansi cursor repositioning does then
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1471[13:12:10] <jelly> Ha0hmaru, switch to Ctrl-Alt-F2, and log in again
1472[13:12:13] <Ha0hmaru> i don't know what i can do and not do
1473[13:12:19] <Ha0hmaru> k
1474[13:12:31] <jelly> then go back to Ctrl-Alt-F1
1475[13:13:23] <Ha0hmaru> maybe i should say "No" to apt-get, coz it sits there waiting for my answer
1476[13:13:34] <Ha0hmaru> or does printscreen work in text mode?
1477[13:13:45] <jelly> you're still running inside script, right?
1478[13:13:55] <jelly> you did not reboot even once during this?
1479[13:13:57] <Ha0hmaru> i'm following the guide
1480[13:14:04] <Ha0hmaru> so far i haven't rebooted
1481[13:14:12] <jelly> then let apt do it thing.
1482[13:14:17] <Ha0hmaru> haven't rebooted since step4
1483[13:14:18] <jelly> its*
1484[13:14:43] <jelly> if something weird happens you'll upload the script log someplace.
1485[13:14:46] <Ha0hmaru> where step4 everything after sources.list is "changed" to the new stuff
1486[13:15:31] <klys> the mouse cut+paste utility for text-mode is the gpm package.
1487[13:15:34] <Ha0hmaru> okay, it installed two kinds of python things
1488[13:15:52] <Ha0hmaru> now, what :/
1489[13:16:00] <jelly> if it finished successfully, you now have a consistent apt state
1490[13:16:17] <Ha0hmaru> do i repeat the step that failed? (apt full-upgrade)
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1492[13:16:47] <jelly> that means you can, say, install aptitude and pastebinit and gpm for good measure, and let us see what aptitude says.
1493[13:17:14] <Ha0hmaru> like, apt-get install aptitude gpm ?
1494[13:17:19] <jelly> right
1495[13:17:39] <jelly> and pastebinit maybe
1496[13:17:51] <Ha0hmaru> this aptitude thing, will it cause me trouble later, since i normally use synaptic?
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1498[13:19:42] <jelly> it will do as much trouble as using apt-get does
1499[13:20:51] <Ha0hmaru> hm, i've used apt-get with synaptic, i *think* i haven't had problems
1500[13:21:15] <Ha0hmaru> afaik synaptic just pulls the strings of apt-get under the hood
1501[13:21:20] <Ha0hmaru> or something like that
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1506[13:22:24] <Ha0hmaru> now what do i do to post some useful info about the situation?
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1509[13:22:58] <Ha0hmaru> this? aptitude search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)'
1510[13:23:05] <klys> now that gpm is installed, does your mouse work?
1511[13:23:15] <Ha0hmaru> ooh, yes
1512[13:23:20] <klys> good stuff
1513[13:23:37] <klys> left-drag to copy text, middle-click to paste it.
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1516[13:24:11] <Ha0hmaru> right
1517[13:24:30] <Ha0hmaru> but the relevant text has gone away long time ago
1518[13:24:48] <klys> so anyways, that's fine. it seems to have worked out.
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1520[13:25:20] <klys> if you need reference to it, there's /var/log/apt/*
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1522[13:25:37] <Ha0hmaru> what do i do now?
1523[13:25:40] <jelly> Ha0hmaru, that will tell you all the installed packages that come from non-free nvidia driver.
1524[13:26:35] <jelly> pastebin the output of that.
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1527[13:28:05] <jelly> or try the full-upgrade again, and tell us what it says
1528[13:28:26] <Ha0hmaru> it prints 9 things, there is a kernel module, an xserver-xorg thing, a driver support binary, and some libs
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1530[13:28:49] <Ha0hmaru> in 8 of them it says legacy-304xx
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1534[13:29:12] <Ha0hmaru> i can't read what it says on the xorg thing because it's cut off
1535[13:29:24] <Ha0hmaru> okay
1536[13:29:36] <jelly> do you have nvidia-detect installed?
1537[13:29:53] <Ha0hmaru> no idea
1538[13:30:02] <jelly> install and run it.
1539[13:30:32] <jelly> it will tell you which non-free driver your card is supposed to be using.
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1542[13:30:56] <jelly> at that point you can choose whether to remove all the non-free stuff, or to install the recommended one
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1544[13:31:09] <Ha0hmaru> "it is recommended to install the nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver"
1545[13:31:29] <Ha0hmaru> so i guess, i should apt-get install it
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1547[13:32:33] <Ha0hmaru> and uninstall the other ones which have 304xx in their names?
1548[13:33:19] <Ha0hmaru> apt-get remove *nvidia*304xx* ? ;P~
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1550[13:33:52] <jelly> first install that and nvidia-legacy-390xx-kernel-dkms, then we'll see about removing the old stuff
1551[13:34:33] <Ha0hmaru> i'm willing to try nouveau, because i don't want the closed source crap, hopefully rotated display is usable now
1552[13:35:26] <jelly> then ask aptitude to "purge" instead of "search"
1553[13:36:04] <jelly> (leaving the search condition exactly the same)
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1556[13:36:57] <Ha0hmaru> "Remove the following packages:" "1) nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx"
1557[13:37:01] <Ha0hmaru> that's all
1558[13:37:06] <Ha0hmaru> [Y]es?
1559[13:37:07] <jelly> weird
1560[13:37:10] <jelly> sure
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1563[13:38:05] <EmleyMoor> OK, situation with my laptop: gdm3 not starting, also console keyboard layout wrong, mixed language list of keyboards in "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and sshd not running. Any help with solving any one of these would be good.
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1565[13:38:09] <EmleyMoor> Xorg/gdm related logs:
1566[13:38:10] <EmleyMoor> replaced-url
1567[13:38:34] <jelly> Ha0hmaru, what about aptitude purge '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy*)' ?
1568[13:38:54] <Ha0hmaru> now a TUI dialog: "NVIDIA driver is still enabled in xorg.conf"
1569[13:39:16] <Ha0hmaru> it tells me about /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
1570[13:39:25] <Ha0hmaru> there's only an Ok button
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1577[13:40:05] <Ha0hmaru> hm, this thing is still going, and removing lots of things
1578[13:40:45] <jelly> did you look at the set of packages it was going to remove before answering yes?
1579[13:40:46] <Ha0hmaru> like libreoffice, pythons, linux headers, nvidia (many things), blahblah
1580[13:41:00] <Ha0hmaru> i thought it was only 1 package
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1583[13:41:30] <Ha0hmaru> did i made a mess now? :/
1584[13:41:34] <Ha0hmaru> okay it finished
1585[13:41:39] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1586[13:41:56] <Ha0hmaru> "Current status: 48 (-7) upgradable."
1587[13:42:10] <Ha0hmaru> i see a negative number
1588[13:42:12] <jelly> now go run full-upgrade again
1589[13:43:29] <jelly> that means something like 48 upgradable right now, seven less than before this command
1590[13:43:32] <Ha0hmaru> this was not gonna happen if i used nouveau
1591[13:43:54] <Ha0hmaru> dumb crapvidia corp
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1594[13:45:35] <Ha0hmaru> ooh, i see it's installing nouveau
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1596[13:45:45] <Ha0hmaru> or, unpacking it, at least
1597[13:46:02] <Ha0hmaru> clever apt
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1599[13:47:00] <Ha0hmaru> okay, it finished
1600[13:47:18] <diogenes_> Ha0hmaru, i dumped proprietary nvidia for quite some time now and i'm pretty happy with nouveau.
1601[13:47:42] <diogenes_> with a little bit of tweakings you can get just about the same performance as with proprietaty blob.
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1603[13:48:01] <Ha0hmaru> diogenes_, but i'm using a rotated monitor (1080x1920) and i remember the redraw rate was very slow then
1604[13:48:35] <diogenes_> Ha0hmaru, as i said above, we can apply a bit of reclocking and improve nouveau's performance.
1605[13:49:04] <Ha0hmaru> maybe, i just didn't know what to do and tried with the nasty crapvidia driver
1606[13:49:35] <Ha0hmaru> okay, so is "apt full-upgrade" the last step?
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1610[13:51:21] <JyZyXEL> aptitude is so weird, it still offers to install a bunch of packages after apt upgrade/dist-upgrade is all settled
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1618[13:53:28] <Ha0hmaru> lsb_release -a says debian 10
1619[13:53:56] <Ha0hmaru> shall i pop up teh shampagne?
1620[13:54:12] <Ha0hmaru> ..and reboot?
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1623[13:55:44] <EdePopede> first reboot, then the champagne ;)
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1632[13:58:32] <Jck_true> Yeah I spent 4 hours getting my server to boot after something went wrong with GRUB in the update process... Issues didn't show up till my reboot...
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1635[14:01:02] <Ha0hmaru> rebooted
1636[14:01:12] <Ha0hmaru> fancy new grub colors
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1638[14:01:37] <Ha0hmaru> some errors
1639[14:01:52] <Ha0hmaru> "resuming from hybernation" o_O
1640[14:01:56] <EdePopede> i think it was on squeeze... grub was written to the wrong mbr, though i noted everything i did before and selected the disk i had partitioned. not really a problem ;)
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1642[14:02:20] <Ha0hmaru> hm
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1644[14:02:45] <diogenes_> Ha0hmaru, you can remove resome thing from /etc/default/grub CMD_GRUB....
1645[14:02:46] <Ha0hmaru> does the stuff i add to grub with "e" remain there after reboot?
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1649[14:03:13] <Ha0hmaru> specifically that systemd....target thing i added earlier
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1651[14:03:26] <Ha0hmaru> cuz i'm left in text mode
1652[14:04:08] <diogenes_> that's why i always prefer fresh install, once a 2 years is not that big of a deal :)
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1661[14:06:13] <Ha0hmaru> okay, well, i don't get a login manager now
1662[14:06:24] <Ha0hmaru> at least i'm in text mode
1663[14:06:31] <Ha0hmaru> i wonder what happened
1664[14:07:19] <Ha0hmaru> maybe i should install lightdm (even tho it should be right there)
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1667[14:07:30] <diogenes_> Ha0hmaru, look for any remaining configs in /home something like .xinitrc also you can remove ,Xauthority and any othe suspicious file.
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1670[14:08:09] <Ha0hmaru> in my own user's /home or in root's home?
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1673[14:09:11] <diogenes_> own use home.
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1675[14:09:16] <diogenes_> user*
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1679[14:11:07] <Ha0hmaru> hah, i think the nvidia cooling fan is running non-stop now
1680[14:11:09] <NetTerminalGene> guys, there is still no new firefox update
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1682[14:12:30] <tkla> Hello guys
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1685[14:13:38] <tkla> Why does my bash from Terminator won´t find any commands from /usr/sbin in Buster?
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1687[14:14:15] <tkla> Im using Terminator here and it´s using /bin/bash
1688[14:14:50] <avu> tkla: have a look at your PATH, maybe /usr/sbin is just not in there?
1689[14:14:58] <Ha0hmaru> hm, systemd is responsible for running my login manager, right?
1690[14:14:58] <blackflow> it's not, by default
1691[14:15:25] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: yes it's a systemd service
1692[14:15:35] <tkla> avu: At /etc/profile?
1693[14:15:46] <avu> tkla: first with `echo $PATH`
1694[14:16:17] <Ha0hmaru> ah
1695[14:16:32] <tkla> avu: There you go, eventhough im running it with "gksu terminator" it uses the PATH from non root user
1696[14:16:39] <Ha0hmaru> i'm using slim, and systemctl shows it failed (in red)
1697[14:16:41] <Ha0hmaru> okay
1698[14:16:52] <Ha0hmaru> i know how to fix this! (famous last words)
1699[14:16:57] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: slim is abandonware, and has issues with logind
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1702[14:17:19] <Ha0hmaru> yeah imma remove it and i think something will ask me if i want to use lightdm
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1704[14:17:28] <Ha0hmaru> coz i have lightdm installed too
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1706[14:20:16] <tkla> avu: Any suggestions?
1707[14:21:01] <blackflow> tkla: add it to your ~/.profile
1708[14:21:07] <avu> tkla: don't know how `gksu` works, sorry. Generally you can change the rc files for the shell you're using to change the PATH
1709[14:21:49] <tkla> avu: But it should work these days with systemd, shouldn´t it?
1710[14:22:19] <blackflow> isn't gksu deprecated in favor of pkexec and admin:/// URL schemes?
1711[14:22:20] <avu> tkla: no idea what systemd would have to do with setting up PATH
1712[14:22:26] <tkla> The problem is that it uses exactly the wrong paths which are defined in /etc/profile
1713[14:23:03] <tkla> Could you post the first lines of your /etc/profile for me?
1714[14:23:06] <blackflow> tkla: btw, why on earth would you run terminator as root?
1715[14:23:31] <tkla> replaced-url
1716[14:23:35] <Ha0hmaru> well, now lightdm shows up as failed in systemctl
1717[14:23:36] <avu> good point, running GUI stuff as root is (almost?) never a good idea
1718[14:23:42] <Ha0hmaru> i think something ain't right
1719[14:23:45] <blackflow> run it as your user and then elevate privs using sudo -i or su -l
1720[14:24:15] <blackflow> Ha0hmaru: surely there's a reason
1721[14:25:00] <tkla> blackflow: Wont change the behavior.
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1725[14:25:32] <blackflow> tkla: what won't tho? sudo /usr/sbin/something ?
1726[14:25:36] <blackflow> don't use -i for that
1727[14:25:56] <Ha0hmaru> i tried apt-get reinstall xserver-blahblah-nouveau
1728[14:26:39] <blackflow> tkla: you don't need a login shel for execing stuff with sudo. that way your environment and PATH is unchanged. by default sbin are not in user's PATH so you'd have to add it via ~/.profile for example
1729[14:26:54] <blackflow> don't modify /etc/profile
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1733[14:28:36] <tkla> blackflow: I didn´t get that sorry. My goal is to start terminator as root, of course with the correct paths for root.
1734[14:29:10] <blackflow> tkla: why do you want to start terminator as root, that does not make sense
1735[14:29:29] <tkla> blackflow: Because i need some root shells
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1737[14:29:56] <blackflow> tkla: and why can't you use unprivileged terminator and then start root shells with sudo -i ?
1738[14:30:00] <blackflow> or su -l
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1740[14:30:11] <tkla> With stretch i reached it simply by running it with gksu. That doesn´t seem to work. Sudoing me to root works on the one hand. But on the other hand bash completion won´t work
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1743[14:30:51] <tkla> Bash Completion is the reason... It doe not work when im sudoing
1744[14:31:12] <blackflow> tkla: gksu is (being) deprecated, the correct way to run GUI apps as root is with pkexec or using admin:/// URL scheme
1745[14:31:21] <blackflow> in fact, there's no gksu for Busterino afaik
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1748[14:32:14] <blackflow> tkla: but again, you almost never want to do that, with the exception of opening files in gkedit, using admin:// scheme
1749[14:32:36] <diogenes_> tkla, instead ok gksu run with pkexec.
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1751[14:32:57] <tkla> diogenes_: I tried that, but after giving him the password nothing happens
1752[14:33:32] <diogenes_> tkla, what exactly you tried? pkexec needs policy configs to work properly.
1753[14:33:43] <tkla> You need to run terminator in an X environment. Make sure $DISPLAY is properly set
1754[14:34:12] <blackflow> I give up. This one is too dense.
1755[14:34:13] <tkla> diogenes_: just pkexec terminator
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1757[14:34:39] <diogenes_> tkla, look in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions for examples of pkexec configs.
1758[14:34:52] <diogenes_> create one for terminator or whatever the app is.
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1762[14:36:44] <diogenes_> tkla, here is the one example i created for etherape to be able to run it with pkexec: replaced-url
1763[14:36:58] <rdz> hey all. why is nagios3 not in buster?
1764[14:37:38] <rdz> ah.. it wasn't even in stretch...
1765[14:37:42] <rdz> i didn't even notice
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1769[14:39:39] <tkla> diogenes_: Do i have to restart anything to make it work?
1770[14:40:02] <diogenes_> tkla, nope.
1771[14:40:34] <diogenes_> you need to name it something like org.terminator.policy and place it in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions
1772[14:40:47] <diogenes_> then run: pkexec terminator (or whatever)
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1776[14:42:46] <tkla> It pops up and disappears with: Unable to bind hide_window key, another instance/window has it.
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1780[14:45:05] <eb0t> hey i want to download an image to put on usb of buster
1781[14:45:15] <eb0t> but the debian download page looks overly complex
1782[14:45:28] <eb0t> normally i would expect to see an amd64 iso image
1783[14:45:49] <eb0t> but debian has this mess. replaced-url
1784[14:45:59] <eb0t> which has everything but an iso image
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1786[14:46:31] <diogenes_> eb0t, you want free or with non-free?
1787[14:46:43] <eb0t> non free would be fine
1788[14:47:08] <elwisp> sound is completely dead after upgrading to buster on my dell laptop. replaced-url
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1790[14:47:28] <eb0t> why not try alsamixer
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1792[14:48:33] <elwisp> hmm this is wierd, i restarted pulseaudio again and it seems to be working
1793[14:48:34] <elwisp> odd
1794[14:48:51] <diogenes_> eb0t, here: replaced-url
1795[14:49:06] <eb0t> hey thanks diogenes_
1796[14:49:14] <diogenes_> np
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1798[14:50:10] <Ha0hmaru> ooh, i got it working
1799[14:50:17] <Ha0hmaru> lightdm \o/
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1801[14:52:14] <Ha0hmaru> oh wow, rotated display now runs smooth with nouveau
1802[14:52:27] <Ha0hmaru> <shampagne.gif>
1803[14:52:42] <tkla> diogenes_: I got it with tilix
1804[14:52:58] <diogenes_> tkla, ok
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1806[14:53:57] <tkla> But the problem with the PATHS is the same
1807[14:54:08] <tkla> still the wrong paths :-/
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1813[15:00:26] <ayekat> tkla: what's the problem with PATH?
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1837[15:24:22] <tkla> ayekat: He´s using the wrong PATHs from /etc/profile i guess
1838[15:24:47] <tkla> ayekat: replaced-url
1839[15:25:19] <ayekat> "This page has been removed!"
1840[15:25:23] <tkla> Sorry
1841[15:25:42] <tkla> replaced-url
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1844[15:26:30] <ayekat> argh, the sbin split - why is that still a thing
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1849[15:28:57] <Tenkawa> ayekat: because its still a standard
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1852[15:29:14] <lsjet> "standard" lol
1853[15:29:44] <Tenkawa> lsjet: sbin has been around since the dawn of unix
1854[15:29:45] <ayekat> yeah, but that "standard" causes more issues than it solves (does it solve any issues, actually?)
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1856[15:30:01] <lsjet> "standard" = cause too many developers have hardcoded paths
1857[15:30:03] <Tenkawa> ayekat: it works perfectly fine here
1858[15:30:20] <Tenkawa> quit hardcoding
1859[15:30:51] <narutwaifu> sorry not a debian specific question but, I'd like to setup a linux server for letting people register, upload media files (images, video), and let anybody edit file tags (eg. author, place) while also keeping a public history of who changed what tags. What server software could I use to set up something like this?
1860[15:30:52] <lsjet> mv /sbin/* /bin; rmdir /sbin; ln -s bin /sbin
1861[15:30:53] <ayekat> Tenkawa: the issue is that regular users don't see some executables, because by default e.g. /usr/sbin is not in their PATH
1862[15:31:16] <karlpinc> ayekat: That is by design. Regular users should not need to see some executables.
1863[15:31:16] <Tenkawa> I was a system integrator for more years than I care to admit and its not that hard
1864[15:31:18] <tkla> ayekat: What do i do about it?
1865[15:31:36] <Tenkawa> karlpinc: exactly!
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1868[15:32:05] <ayekat> karlpinc: the distinction is totally arbitrary - what is the criteria for "the user is not supposed to run *this* executable"?
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1870[15:32:08] <Tenkawa> if they need them they can always add the path
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1872[15:32:31] <lsjet> ayekat, correct. It's entirely arbitrary like a lot of the FHS
1873[15:32:34] <ayekat> Tenkawa: yes, but that's a workaround to undo the split - at which point one wonders what the split is there for in the first place
1874[15:32:36] <karlpinc> ayekat: The distinction between sysadmin and not-sysadmin.
1875[15:32:53] <karlpinc> ayekat: That's a terrible work-around.
1876[15:32:55] <ayekat> karlpinc: what qualifies a "sys-admin"?
1877[15:33:27] <karlpinc> ayekat: Instead, change $PATH if desired. This can be done at the system-wide level, or per-user.
1878[15:33:32] <ayekat> lsjet: the FHS is pretty arbitrary, but stuff like the /usr merge are trying to improve this a bit
1879[15:34:12] <ayekat> karlpinc: yes, so in the end, one ends up putting a line in their user shell config that appends /usr/sbin and /sbin in order not to deal with that nonsense
1880[15:34:17] <lsjet> ayekat, some new development?
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1883[15:34:58] <karlpinc> ayekat: When is it a problem? Unless I'm root, I don't use commands in sbin.
1884[15:34:59] <Tenkawa> or you could just fix your code to not have so many dependencies *ducks and laughs as a former developer that received that speech *
1885[15:35:11] <ayekat> karlpinc: except when you do - what if you want to run a user instance of lighttpd?
1886[15:35:25] <ayekat> or just a simple `lighttpd -t -f somefile.conf`?
1887[15:35:48] <ayekat> same for ttylog for interacting with a serial console
1888[15:35:49] <lsjet> I deal with it on debian, but on most of my systems I just symlink /usr to / and sbin to bin
1889[15:36:14] <lsjet> Then I forget they exist. :)
1890[15:36:16] <ayekat> Tenkawa: nobody's talking about code
1891[15:36:26] <karlpinc> ayekat: That only works if you run lighthttpd on a port > 1000. And if you know enough to do that, you know enough to look in /sbin and make whatever adjustments are necessary.
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1893[15:36:54] <Tenkawa> ayekat: it was a joke.. i was trying to lighten to mood... its getting a bit tense
1894[15:37:07] <ayekat> Tenkawa: and ironically, the split *requires* you to hardcode paths, because the executable is not in PATH to begin with
1895[15:37:13] <tkla> ayekat: So how do i add PATHs safely then?
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1899[15:40:25] <ayekat> tkla: just export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:$PATH for instance
1900[15:40:37] <karlpinc> tkla: Usually ~/.bash_profile, but if you want changes system-wide, then /etc/profile. PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin or where ever you want the new paths in $PATH.
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1905[15:41:53] <karlpinc> ayekat: There is a valid argument for getting rid of /sbin, etc. But until consensus is reached "standard is better than better". At least everybody knows what's going on when standards are followed.
1906[15:42:46] <ayekat> karlpinc: things will continue working fine if the two are merged, though
1907[15:43:04] <karlpinc> narutwaifu: mediawiki, or moinmoin, depending on how much access control you need.
1908[15:43:21] <ayekat> like with the /usr merge, a symlink will deal with all the tools that hardcode paths to the executables
1909[15:43:36] <karlpinc> ayekat: _Mostly_ continue working fine.
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1911[15:44:34] <Tenkawa> I'm doing an experiment
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1913[15:44:58] <lsjet> The only issue I ever find using symlinks is when a package stupidly tries to do something like put a file in /bin and a symlink to that file in /usr/bin
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1915[15:45:29] <Marbug> Hi, I installed firefox and thunderbird in the past and never had any issues, now I installed chromium, and suddenly all my urls in my mail are opening chrome browser instead of firefox. Is there a way to change this back to firefox? I have firefox-esr as default from diebian 10 installed
1916[15:45:31] <ayekat> well yeah, a lot of packages would need to be fixed, obviously ^^
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1918[15:45:50] <ayekat> (so it would require a distro-wide policy fix)
1919[15:46:02] <Marbug> I also executed /usr/bin/update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
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1921[15:46:42] <karlpinc> Marbug: Perhaps the "update-alternatives" command would be useful. Or maybe a "dpkg-reconfigure" of your mail client.
1922[15:46:59] <ayekat> karlpinc: just to clarify: I can accept "changes like this take a long time", but I'm puzzled by people arguing that the sbin split itself is a good idea
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1925[15:47:24] <karlpinc> ayekat: It's a good idea for multi-user systems, of which there remain many.
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1931[15:48:33] <ayekat> ugh... - alright, this is actually off-topic, and I don't want to argue anymore
1932[15:48:34] <Marbug> karlpinc even dpkg-reconfigure thunderbird doesn't seem to be working 🤔
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1934[15:49:14] <Tenkawa> Marbug: any output?
1935[15:49:21] <Marbug> I have read on the internet that after a version (I thought 17 of thunderbird) it needs to be configured in thunderbird, but I can't wem to find it even, and it's already at version 60
1936[15:49:34] <Marbug> nope, well yes 1 complain about apparmor
1937[15:49:36] <Tenkawa> whats happening
1938[15:49:39] <Marbug> Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.thunderbird
1939[15:49:44] <Tenkawa> oh
1940[15:49:47] <Tenkawa> fun
1941[15:50:22] <Marbug> I could go for uninstalling chromium, but I will need it later on 😓
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1944[15:51:19] <Tenkawa> did you try purge and install
1945[15:51:37] <karlpinc> Marbug: Seems like it could be a thunderbird question then. replaced-url
1946[15:51:38] <Marbug> purge firefox?
1947[15:51:40] <Tenkawa> (back up spool of course)
1948[15:51:48] <Tenkawa> thunderbird
1949[15:52:01] <Marbug> Well I found that page too :)
1950[15:52:42] <Marbug> And the thing is that the incomming attachements are even empty (well the list) and there is no add button or anything, I can jsut change the location where to default download, and if it will need to ask it by default
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1953[15:53:46] <Marbug> lets see there is apparently an update for thunderbird :)
1954[15:54:38] <Marbug> well, for now I'll just use chromium and login in all the thing I have again, I searched long enough for that :)
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2022[16:35:43] <Bounu1> Testing
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2024[16:36:14] <Bounu1> Is there a way to bypass the Facebook "Graph Search" update and be able to view all posts / photos someone has liked within the month?
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2026[16:37:26] <themill> Bounu1: wrong channel
2027[16:37:37] <Bounu1> Where do I go for such?
2028[16:38:02] <cybercrypto> :-)
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2034[16:39:25] <Bounu1> I apologize tho :)
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2048[16:51:54] <JyZyXEL> there is no torbrowser for buster yet?
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2052[16:52:45] <JyZyXEL> i noticed having stretches torbrowser makes apparmor service fail to start: apparmor.systemd[25189]: ERROR processing regexs for profile torbrowser_firefox, failed to load
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2057[16:54:31] <somiaj> ,v torbrowser
2058[16:54:32] <judd> No package named 'torbrowser' was found in amd64.
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2063[16:55:31] <jmcnaught> ,v torbrowser-launcher
2064[16:55:32] <judd> Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; sid/contrib: 0.3.1-2
2065[16:55:50] <somiaj> JyZyXEL: you could try to fix the apparmor profile, though I can't seem to know what you mean by stretch's torbrowser, since I'm not finding it in stretch either.
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2067[16:56:48] <JyZyXEL> somiaj: i just mean the torbrowser-launcher that i had in stretch
2068[16:57:03] <somiaj> its not in stretch, so still dont' know what you are takling about.
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2071[16:57:39] <JyZyXEL> Package: torbrowser-launcher, Version: 0.3.1-2~bpo9+1
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2073[16:57:47] <somiaj> But either way, looks like tor will be thridparty for buster too, so you'll have to get the browser and maybe configure apprmor for it.
2074[16:57:47] <JyZyXEL> looks like it used to be in strech-backports
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2076[16:58:05] <somiaj> hmm, wonder why judd didn't list it was in stretch-backports.
2077[16:58:22] <JyZyXEL> maybe it was deleted o.O
2078[16:58:29] <Ha0hmaru> judd has dark secrets
2079[16:58:42] * judd throws some shade
2080[16:58:43] <somiaj> I don't see it on my system, which is stretch with stretch-backports.
2081[16:59:11] <Ha0hmaru> <darkness_intensifies.gif>
2082[16:59:15] <pylsan> holy crap wayland works and zero video playback issues like i have on X O.o
2083[16:59:23] <somiaj> well if the matainer chooses to make it available in buster-backports you'll have to wait, otherwise install it third party and take over mangmenet of that software.
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2091[17:01:06] <jhutchins_wk> Possibly JyZyXEL upgraded from jessie to stretch.
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2093[17:01:30] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: Or /msg dpkg ssb
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2096[17:01:59] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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2101[17:02:55] <jmcnaught> JyZyXEL: ^^ the bug says the poor shape of the apparmor profiles is part of why it was removed from buster. Packages that are not in testing are not eligible to be in backports either.
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2103[17:03:39] <ewoud> I don't know who's responsible for replaced-url
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2106[17:05:21] <jmcnaught> ewoud: that looks like something you would need to contact vagrant/hashicorp about
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2109[17:06:12] <ewoud> jmcnaught: I know at least for CentOS that they're responsible for building the images there
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2112[17:06:25] <JyZyXEL> jmcnaught: hmm interesting. ill have to explore options
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2117[17:08:08] <ewoud> replaced-url
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2132[17:15:20] <john_rambo> Is my wireless usb supported by default ? Or will I have to install drivers using ethernet ? replaced-url
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2136[17:16:39] <cybercrypto> john_rambo: check if the kernel detect the wireless interface yet.
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2140[17:17:52] <john_rambo> cybercrypto, I am planning to download Debian 10 stable ... but before I do that I want to know if my wifi is supported
2141[17:18:09] <john_rambo> cybercrypto, Ubuntu supports it
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2144[17:19:18] <jmcnaught> john_rambo: if the device requires firmware then you will either need to install using the non-free firmware installer image, or install using ethernet and then install the required firmware package afterwards
2145[17:19:26] <cthonic> john_rambo, what wifi card do you use?
2146[17:19:36] <cybercrypto> john_rambo: In that case, I cannot help you. I dont know.
2147[17:19:56] <john_rambo> cthonic, replaced-url
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2149[17:20:23] <jhutchins_wk> john_rambo: What are you running now? If linux, lspci -nn should give you the eight-character pciid which we can check against the database.
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2151[17:20:59] <somiaj> most wifi will require non-free firmware so just grab the firmware images to be safe
2152[17:21:03] <somiaj> !firmware images
2153[17:21:03] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
2154[17:21:10] <john_rambo> jhutchins_wk, I am running Ubuntu 18.04 atm ....Its usb not pci
2155[17:21:14] <greycat> *really*
2156[17:21:20] <greycat> :-(
2157[17:21:27] <greycat> I give up.
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2160[17:21:57] <greycat> Fine. EVERY SINGLE DEBIAN RELEASE'S FIRMWARE IMAGES ARE IN /current/ EVEN PAST AND EVEN TESTING.
2161[17:22:06] <greycat> You WIN.
2162[17:22:46] <john_rambo> I guess I will have to download the iso and test ... Thanks to all
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2164[17:22:56] <kale> did i win?
2165[17:23:06] <greycat> Yes, everybody wins.
2166[17:23:17] <colo-work> modinfo mt7601u | grep -i "148f.*7601"
2167[17:23:17] <colo-work> alias: usb:v148Fp7601d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*in*
2168[17:23:18] <kale> great :-)
2169[17:23:18] <greycat> We all get to use only the firmare images in /current/ even if we do not want them
2170[17:23:26] <cybercrypto> its a win/win business
2171[17:23:40] <colo-work> alas, John Rambo has already left the forest
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2175[17:24:59] <cthonic> Seems he'd just need firmware-ralink. Except he left already.
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2289[18:23:05] <transhumanist> hi is it possible with grub 2 to dual boot Windows 10 and Debian (latest) with UEFI/EFI mode only (no legacy grub partitions?
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2293[18:24:42] <greycat> There's no such thing as a "grub partition", legacy or otherwise.
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2296[18:25:38] <cthonic> transhumanist, I've not tried it directly but Buster now has Secure Boot support so it seems it should work well to dual boot.
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2298[18:26:00] <wr> transhumanist, just do it
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2300[18:26:09] <greycat> I don't have any Secure Boot systems myself, but I haven't heard anyone saying it *doesn't* work lately.
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2304[18:26:36] <transhumanist> ok thanks, back to debian from Ubuntu I go... thanks
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2306[18:26:53] <pylsan> Buster wasnt int the security boot database provided buy my bios
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2308[18:27:35] <transhumanist> reason I ask is ubuntu wont seem to dual boot Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 without using the F12 menu. Seems to be broken
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2312[18:30:03] <cthonic> transhumanist, it was things like this that made me give up on Windows 98 SE. On install with Debian I do see a optional tweak possible for "buggy UEFI" cases. I didn't need it myself but possibly you do?
2313[18:30:03] <ayekat> or misconfigured - is windows listed in the grub menu in grub.cfg?
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2318[18:32:50] <wr> transhumanist, ubuntu in my view is each more full of ads and commercial
2319[18:32:51] <Muyfret> strange i cannot access some websites
2320[18:33:06] <transhumanist> cthonic: yes unfortnately
2321[18:34:19] <transhumanist> thanks guys
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2326[18:41:37] <Tom-_> my initrd is only 6.3 MB, meanwhile on another systemd (LMDE 3) it's 36 MB... and cpio -idv fails to unpack it except for one GenuineIntel file
2327[18:42:01] <Tom-_> oh and the system fails to boot saying libext[3-4].so.[1-2] is missing
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2329[18:42:15] <greycat> Mine are 20 MB (stretch kernel) and 29 MB (buster kernel). For whatever that's worth.
2330[18:42:17] <Tom-_> this happened during a downgrade from buster to stretch
2331[18:42:44] <Tom-_> okay, i'm running update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -c -v and it's creating an initrd, but it's small and it looks like it's missing libext3.so.1 or whatever it is
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2336[18:43:19] <Tom-_> initrds have always confused me a little too be honest, i guess now's the time to learn them
2337[18:43:26] <somiaj> Tom-_: downgrades are really not supported and can leave strante artifiacts. You may want to do a reinstall.
2338[18:43:28] <Tom-_> the auto setup of the initrd anyway
2339[18:43:32] <greycat> Also worth pointing out, an initrd is *multiple* cpio archives stuffed into one file, so a single cpio command won't handle it. There's a separate lsinitramfs(8) command if you don't want to write your own.
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2341[18:44:04] <Tom-_> somiaj, ehh... i'm stubborn and i live Debian so I think i can manage it
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2344[18:44:17] <Tom-_> greycat, ah, thanks very much, i'll try that
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2346[18:45:17] <somiaj> Tom-_: as long as you are willing to look for the artifacts left by the upgrade scripts. (:
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2348[18:46:56] <mason> greycat: replaced-url
2349[18:47:25] <mason> greycat: Not that it's relevant to a pure-UEFI system.
2350[18:47:46] <Tom-_> not sure what you mean by artifacts, but i probably am willing
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2353[18:48:54] <L3sh44f> jao!
2354[18:48:55] <jhutchins_wk> I didn't think Secure Boot was required for EFI.
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2356[18:49:12] <greycat> mason: interesting.
2357[18:49:13] <somiaj> Tom-_: upgrade scripts change things and are designed to go from stretch -> buster. This can often move config files, change settings, needed for newer versions. These will not get reversed on the downgrade (hence leaving things behind that could cause issues in the future)
2358[18:49:41] <Tom-_> yeah, i got a few messages about changed config files, but no big deal, i handled them
2359[18:49:49] <Tom-_> the system isn't mission critical, it's for me learning
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2362[18:51:46] <Tom-_> i am running in rescue mode, is it possible that update-initramfs is putting the wrong things in the initramfs because I'm running from a ramdisk already?
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2366[18:53:07] <kale> Tom-_: check if you are out of space on your /boot partition
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2369[18:56:42] <somiaj> Tom-_: does the chroot you are running in have all the additional partitions mounted too?
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2371[18:57:30] <Tom-_> no separate /boot partition, 116 GB of free space
2372[18:58:38] <Tom-_> i think i only use /dev/sda2 for files, no EFI partition either. file /dev/sda1 reports "data"
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2380[19:02:45] <Tom-_> dracut is building a much larger initrd :)
2381[19:03:25] <kale> Tom-_: i heard of people having an initrd of several hundred MB. Just to have som basic tools in the initrd :-)
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2384[19:04:50] <tarzeau> i really like: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compress with COMPRESS=xz
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2386[19:05:39] <kale> Tom-_: do you have an exact error message?
2387[19:05:46] <Tom-_> an aside, getting a DVD out of an Imac is like gettin something out of a dog's mouth that he doesn't want to give up
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2390[19:06:11] <Tom-_> kale, no, and i've made a new initrd so the error message will probably be different this time if i get one
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2392[19:06:26] <kale> Tom-_: lets see what you get
2393[19:07:10] <somiaj> !confmiss
2394[19:07:10] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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2396[19:07:57] <somiaj> Tom-_: ^^ unsure if maybe you are having an issue where the upgrade moved some intird config files around, making them not regenerate. You may want to try to see if reinstalling the initramfs packages with confmiss can help restore missing config files
2397[19:08:10] <somiaj> this is just a guess, but something that could be possible due to your downgrade.
2398[19:08:26] <Tom-_> i plan to try that thanks, but i'm still trying to figure out how to eject the DVD from this allegedly super easy to use computer
2399[19:08:38] <Tom-_> yes i am pressing the mous button
2400[19:08:41] <somiaj> there is a command called 'eject' you can run fromt he command line
2401[19:08:45] <somiaj> you may have to install it
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2407[19:09:25] <Tom-_> i'm in between booted OSes right now, but next time I use the rescue disk it might be easier to ask the Debian installer to eject the disc than to try hold the mouse button down at the right times
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2419[19:11:54] <daifuco> hi for some reason steam cant connect on buster is this a common problem?
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2421[19:14:32] <cthonic> daifuco, as in wifi issues? Firmware is often needed there.
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2426[19:16:14] <jhutchins_wk> Tom-_: You're not in the MacOS?
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2430[19:17:31] <Tom-_> i'm continually rebooting it trying to hold F12, F11, or the mouse button hoping it will eject the Debian DVD so it will not boot from it
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2434[19:17:54] <Tom-_> i don't know exactly which button to hold, when, or for how long, but i know i've done it before
2435[19:18:05] <Tom-_> okay i give up, i'm going to boot debian rescue mode, eject the DVD from there, and then reboot
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2437[19:19:40] <jhutchins_wk> There ya go.
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2441[19:21:10] <Tom-_> i'm having another problem but i think i'm going to take a few stabs at it before i ask for your help all
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2447[19:27:23] <Tom-_> okay the new initrd from dracut works, although now i'm having GRUB and I think a systemd problem ( i plan to just remove systemd)
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2451[19:28:53] <puxavida> Tom-_, to eject a dvd on a mac, press your left mouse during boot
2452[19:29:27] <greycat> So intuitive.
2453[19:29:50] <tarzeau> amiga had also such a feature (but i might be wrong)
2454[19:30:10] <tarzeau> pc drives have a physical hole, where you stick something in to get stuff out
2455[19:30:14] <tarzeau> is that more intuitive?
2456[19:30:18] <Tom-_> puxavida, thanks puxavida
2457[19:30:20] <greycat> Slightly, yes.
2458[19:30:29] <Tom-_> i don't seem to know what 'during boot' means because i tried it 3-4 times and it didn't eject
2459[19:30:49] <tarzeau> optical discs are over since 15 years, so who cares
2460[19:30:58] <greycat> Absolutely incorrect.
2461[19:31:11] <greycat> Floppies, yes. CDs, no.
2462[19:31:17] <tarzeau> no?
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2464[19:31:29] <tarzeau> audio cd? dvd? blueray?
2465[19:31:31] <greycat> I still install Debian from CD. All of my systems have CD/DVD drives.
2466[19:31:49] <tarzeau> i do that from usb or network
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2468[19:32:12] <Tom-_> i don't have any spare USB sticks to format GPT for my imac
2469[19:32:17] <Tom-_> although i might, temporarily, if i did
2470[19:32:33] <Tom-_> anyway we can differ on what technology is obsolete
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2473[19:32:40] <greycat> I don't have any spare USB thingies either. But I have a stack of unburnt CD-Rs.
2474[19:32:40] <puxavida> Turn machine all the way off, press and hold left mouse button during whole boot process. At some point the disc should eject. Or press alt/opt key to get a boot menu then press f12 at that menu
2475[19:33:17] <Tom-_> okay i am having what I think is a systemd error, (even though I chose init=/bin/bash in grub), it says "A start job is running for dev-block device (1min 43s / no limit)
2476[19:33:26] <Tom-_> i think i'm still in the initrd
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2480[19:35:07] <Tom-_> i'm going to try my rescue disk again and purging and reinstall initramfs-tools, and also purging systemd
2481[19:35:45] <boone> i got two same brand wifi dongles , and i need to clone them with two diffrent mac adressed , is there a variable for secondry interface other than "wifi.cloned-mac-address" which also clones both interfaces with same mac addr
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2484[19:38:22] <boone> and when i turn off wifi pci interface ... both other dongles turn off too ... is this a bug ?
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2488[19:40:03] <dbear> why is debian 9.9 still using a 4.9.0-9 kernel? this seems strange. I just moved from ubuntu 16.04 LTS hoping to stick with Debian for the next 5 years but I find that I am on an older kernel.
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2490[19:40:35] <diogenes_> dbear, why not debian 10?
2491[19:40:42] <greycat> dbear: that's the previous release. Debian 10 is on Linux 4.19.
2492[19:40:52] <Battaglin> :-))
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2494[19:41:01] <dbear> I thought Debian 10 was just release this past week?
2495[19:41:08] <ayekat> dbear: yes, but 9.9 is not 10
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2497[19:41:37] <greycat> dbear: correct
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2500[19:41:38] <Battaglin> Linux nbuster 4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5 (2019-06-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2501[19:41:41] <Battaglin> :-P
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2504[19:42:10] <dbear> two things about 10 made my shy away -- first it doesn't use X.org second, it disrecommends using ecryptfs -- which I used on ubuntu to encrypt my home dir
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2506[19:42:30] <karlpinc> dbear: Not LUKS?
2507[19:42:32] <diogenes_> dbear, 1 is false, it uses xorg.
2508[19:42:42] <Tom-_> i think Wayland is the default in GNOME
2509[19:42:43] <ayekat> dbear: a distribution doesn't "use" X.org - it's the tool you run on it
2510[19:42:48] <greycat> Debian 10 *does* have Xorg and X is used in all GUI session types except one (GNOME on Wayland). You may use GNOME on Xorg, or any other DE or WM on Xorg.
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2513[19:44:26] <dbear> ayekat -- didn't I read that x.org is not the default graphics system?
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2515[19:44:48] <dbear> karipinc: I don't know anything about LUKS so wanted to avoid it --
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2517[19:44:57] <greycat> You only get Wayland if you install and use GNOME under GNOME's default session type, or if you go out of your way to run Wayland. Otherwise, you get X.
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2519[19:45:07] <ayekat> dbear: again, GNOME is a desktop environment that defaults to wayland - there is no "default" for debian itself
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2522[19:45:40] <ayekat> if you tell GNOME to use X, or you use another desktop environment that only supports (or defaults to X), you get X
2523[19:46:00] <jmcnaught> Also Wayland is great, been working fine for me since stretch.
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2529[19:47:19] <Tom-_> i have unsorted feelings on Waland
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2531[19:47:40] <coyotor> hey, i have a question about the open with "use custom command"
2532[19:47:44] <Tom-_> Wayland. i have never really liked X, but i'm still uncertain about wayland too
2533[19:47:48] <greycat> I've never tried it, and there's nothing currently that would compel me to try it. That may change in the future.
2534[19:47:52] <dbear> I've notice some things about gnome on this debian as well -- its has just died with segfault and force a restart twice on me in 2 days
2535[19:48:06] <dbear> stretch seems less stable then ubuntu 16..
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2537[19:48:11] <Tom-_> Wayland in GNOME in Buster works very poorly in fullscreen in Qemu by the way :)
2538[19:48:13] <karlpinc> dbear: I don't know the point of cryptfs (eCryptfs) but I can tell you ablut LUKS.
2539[19:48:29] <coyotor> if i use a custom command to open with, how do i make it refer to whatever file i just clicked on?
2540[19:48:32] <dbear> I had data in an ecryptfs volume already that I wanted to read..
2541[19:48:55] <dbear> Will LUKS want to crypt the whole dist or just a folder?
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2544[19:49:50] <ayekat> you'll probably need to copy things out and then reencrypt the partition with LUKS if you want to switch
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2546[19:49:52] <greycat> buster does not have ecryptfs, so that's a thing to be concerned about
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2549[19:50:19] <coyotor> sorry i'm back
2550[19:50:25] <karlpinc> dbear: LUKS uses dm-crypt to encrypt the entire block level device. It stores the actual encryption key in a "header". The encryption key is encrypted. There can be up to 8 different encryptions of the key, so you can set up to 8 different passwords to unlock your disk -- in "slots". The system prompts for a password on boot-up. (This can be done via network if you desire.)
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2552[19:51:54] <karlpinc> dbear: You can backup the "header", or not even store it on the device being encrypted. That way if the header is corrupted (say due to disk failure) you can still decrypt. Or be extra secure and keep the header on off-line storage.
2553[19:52:20] <karlpinc> dbear: LUKS encrypts devices, so you need a partition.
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2558[19:53:37] <karlpinc> dbear: Often LVM is used in conjuction with dm-crypt. The entire physical volume is encrypted, then multiple logical volumes use the physical volume. That way there's only one password to unlock multiple "partitions".
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2564[19:54:46] <jmcnaught> coyotor: where do you see this "open with custom command"? Is it a context menu for a file in a file manager? You might refer to the file with $1
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2567[19:55:14] <znull> hey, i just upgraded to debian 10, and now i'm getting when I do ALT+TAB The Window Switcher installation is broken, resources are missing
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2570[19:55:54] <karlpinc> dbear: If you only want to encrypt /home with dm-crypt/LUKS, then you must put /home on it's own partition. (If you have a single / partition then you can just encrypt the whole thing and be done with it. :)
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2572[19:56:37] <karlpinc> dbear: One reason LVM + LUKS is attractive is to encrypt both / and swap partitions.
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2575[19:58:02] <jmcnaught> znull: is it possible you only did a partial upgrade? Were you following the instructions in the release notes?
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2580[19:59:06] <znull> jmcnaught, well i'm not sure, i was on 'testing' channel and i hit few days apt-get dist-upgrade and a lot of packages were upgraded
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2582[19:59:19] <znull> 10.0
2583[19:59:23] <znull> debian version.
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2585[20:01:42] <jmcnaught> znull: which desktop environment are you using? Can you get a screenshot of the error or what happens when you alt-tab?
2586[20:02:19] <znull> jmcnaught, kde
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2589[20:03:21] <znull> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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2594[20:04:05] <karlpinc> znull: It is not usually a good idea to have "testing" in your sources.list. Better to have a release name. If you still have "testing" then you may now be running the new testing, and not buster.
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2596[20:04:33] <greycat> One uses "testing" in their sources.list if they want to be ETERNALLY on testing, never settling down on a release.
2597[20:04:56] <znull> karlpinc, im on buster now
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2599[20:05:27] <znull> replaced-url
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2602[20:05:59] <znull> replaced-url
2603[20:07:14] <jmcnaught> znull: it's probably because you have disabled recommends. Why wouldn't you want *recommended* packages? I would turn recommends back on and reinstall your KDE meta-package (probably task-kde-desktop)
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2607[20:08:05] <Tom-_> I was missing libext2fs.so.2 and e2fslibs, so that's probably why they weren't included in my initrd. an error from me downgrading without double-checking everything i know :)
2608[20:08:05] <znull> jmcnaught, ok let me try
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2613[20:09:09] <dob1> hi, widh dnsmasql I would like to resolve a local hostname to a different address depends on the interface where the dns query is executed
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2616[20:09:40] <dob1> for example let's say I have home.lan If the query is executed on the network 192.168.1.x then home.lan will be 192.168.1.1
2617[20:09:57] <dob1> if the query is executed on network 10.5.5.x then ome.lan is 10.5.5.1
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2621[20:10:08] <dob1> it's something possibile ? sorry for multiline
2622[20:12:01] <znull> jmcnaught, it works
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2624[20:13:07] <dob1> or maybe I can try to execute 2 instances of dnsmasq
2625[20:13:08] <jmcnaught> znull: my advice is to have install recommends at the default (true) and only use the flag --no-install-recommends on a per-case basis
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2627[20:13:33] <znull> jmcnaught, ok great
2628[20:13:44] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: The only thing that bugs me about "Recommends" is that they don't get un-installed when you remove the package that recommended them (and there's no other dependencies).
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2630[20:14:03] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: Yes, good advice.
2631[20:14:39] <znull> jmcnaught, but now my sound stopped working lol playbak devices is Dummy output
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2634[20:15:17] <karlpinc> dob1: I don't believe dnsmasq has that feature. (Neither does nsd.) If you want "split domain" you need to use ISC's bind.
2635[20:15:18] <jmcnaught> znull: check to see if timidity is running (systemctl status timidity) and stop it if it is (systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity)
2636[20:15:38] <karlpinc> dob1: Of course you can run 2 dnsmasq processes.
2637[20:15:56] <znull> Unit timidity.service could not be found.
2638[20:15:59] <dob1> karlpinc, unfortunately I need dnsmasq. I am looking to how to run 2 instances of it
2639[20:16:20] <jmcnaught> znull: check if your sound card is listed by 'aplay -l'
2640[20:16:41] <karlpinc> dob1: Er, the feature is called "split horizon", I think.
2641[20:17:13] <znull> replaced-url
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2643[20:18:19] <karlpinc> dob1: Out of curiousity, why do you "need" dnsmasq? I'd think you'd need functionality, not implementation. (Of course that's only at the technical level, but...)
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2645[20:19:51] <jmcnaught> znull: that looks fine. Next I would check to see what might be using your soundcard with "lsof | grep /dev/snd/pcm"
2646[20:20:02] <dob1> karlpinc, replaced-url
2647[20:20:15] <dob1> but I need it for 2 networks
2648[20:20:54] <znull> jmcnaught, endor:~# lsof | grep /dev/snd/pcm
2649[20:20:54] <znull> endor:~#
2650[20:21:33] <dob1> karlpinc, you got my strange idea ? :)
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2653[20:22:57] <ws2k3> server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none what can i do to fix this error(its not a reposetory problem cause it works fine on other servers
2654[20:23:26] <karlpinc> dob1: Looks like you need -z
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2656[20:24:03] <Tom-_> I got my DVD to eject!
2657[20:24:05] <karlpinc> dob1: Along with -i
2658[20:24:18] <Tom-_> i have to hold the mouse button after the computer reboots and turns on, not before
2659[20:24:25] <Tom-_> i have to start pressing on it then
2660[20:24:30] <Tom-_> and hold it for a fairly long timei apparently
2661[20:24:54] <znull> jmcnaught, i managed to fix it
2662[20:24:55] <karlpinc> ws2k3: What are you doing to _get_ that error?
2663[20:25:02] <jmcnaught> znull: what was it?
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2665[20:25:07] <znull> jmcnaught, pulseaudio --kill && pulseaudio --start
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2667[20:25:39] <jmcnaught> znull: ahh… glad it's working now :)
2668[20:25:53] <dob1> karlpinc, when I am downloadin the 2 files from the github repository I change them and duplicate them, creating 2 domains files with, for example, address=/badsite/192.168.1.1 address=/badsite/10.5.5.1 then I will run 2 instances of dnsmasq
2669[20:26:40] <karlpinc> znull: That's a little strange. If you have a sound problem after reboot you may have to tell systemd to start pulseaudio after something else that's necessary. (Most likely it will just work, and had to do with your previous manual restarting -- although that it failed even so sounds like a bug.)
2670[20:26:57] <ws2k3> karlpinc apt-get update
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2672[20:29:01] <karlpinc> ws2k3: And it does not update?
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2674[20:30:10] <jhutchins_wk> ws2k3: What release are you on?
2675[20:30:20] <ws2k3> karlpinc it does. but it break on one repo i added
2676[20:30:33] <ws2k3> jhutchins i just upgrade to debian 9
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2679[20:31:11] <karlpinc> ws2k3: Not 10? 10 is the lastest stable release. (and what release did you upgrade from?)
2680[20:31:39] <ws2k3> karlpinc no not 10 upgrade debian 8 to 9
2681[20:31:45] <ws2k3> this is the full error replaced-url
2682[20:32:32] <ws2k3> i tested the repo on 2 other servers and there it works just fine. so it must be an issue on this amchine
2683[20:33:36] <karlpinc> ws2k3: That's not a debian repo so we may or may not be able to help. You do know that adding non-debian repos to sources.list is a recepie for a broken system?
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2685[20:34:09] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: do you have the ca-certificates package installed? What happens if you run 'update-ca-certificates'?
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2688[20:35:10] <ws2k3> updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs... 0 added, 0 removed; done. Running hooks in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d... done.
2689[20:35:36] <ws2k3> jmcnaught yes i already reinstalled ca-certificates package without result
2690[20:35:56] <ws2k3> jmcnaught also did a reboot still the same issue
2691[20:36:12] <ws2k3> also checked the date/time on the machine that is also correct
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2693[20:36:45] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: by the way Debian 10 has php7.3
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2696[20:37:24] <greycat> is there a betting pool for how soon the first user will demand a newer version of PHP?
2697[20:37:43] <karlpinc> ws2k3: So if your goal is to have php7.3 the best approach might be to upgrade to buster (debian 10).
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2699[20:38:04] <ws2k3> karlpinc nope trying to get php 5.6
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2702[20:39:59] <karlpinc> ws2k3: Maybe your missing a cert that's supplied by your target repo. Do they have instructions?
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2705[20:40:28] <ws2k3> karlpinc i did sudo wget -O /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/php.gpg replaced-url
2706[20:41:31] <karlpinc> ws2k3: And is the apt.gpg file in the same place on the systems that are working and the broken system?
2707[20:41:54] <karlpinc> ws2k3: Might not hurt to check the permissions too.
2708[20:42:07] <jmcnaught> That error is about the TLS certificate for replaced-url
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2716[20:44:11] <ws2k3> karlpinc i checked that and that is fine
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2719[20:45:00] <Tom-_> it turns out during the downgrade i had deleted some libraries e2fsck needs. i reinstalled them and ran update-initramfs -u and now I think the system is booting
2720[20:46:20] <Tom-_> how do I get grub not to boot in quiet mode? no matter what i type at the end of the "linux" line or what I put in /etc/default/grub (and then run update-grub afterwarsd) it always hides the boot as if in quiet mode
2721[20:46:46] <greycat> remove "quiet" from the line in that file, and run update-grub
2722[20:46:48] <Tom-_> however, if i type up my own commands using the GRUB command line, then linux boots normally. is it inheriting "quiet" from somewhere but still not showing it in the GRUB menu?
2723[20:47:00] <Tom-_> i think i did but i'll try it again
2724[20:47:03] <greycat> verify the actual kernel parameters with cat /proc/cmdline
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2726[20:48:32] <Tom-_> it says "ro single" at the end of /proc/cmdline. I only got visual output after the framebuffer modules were loaded, before then it was just a boring cursor on the top left of the screen
2727[20:48:55] <Tom-_> do you think it might have something to do with booting in BIOS mood on an EFI system with an Nvidia video card?
2728[20:49:03] <Tom-_> BIOS mode. freudian slip
2729[20:49:15] <olivetree_> hi guys
2730[20:49:25] <olivetree_> I have a question
2731[20:50:07] <greycat> Tom-_: wish I knew.
2732[20:50:09] <karlpinc> ws2k3: The instructions say to "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php5-compat". You might want to undo this and redo it, whatever those steps are. Presumeably adding the repo would setup the cert it uses.
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2734[20:50:36] <karlpinc> !tell olivetree_ about ask
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2736[20:50:56] <greycat> karlpinc: that sounds like an Ubuntu command
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2738[20:51:20] <jmcnaught> yeah, is ppa:ondrej/php5-compat the same repo as sury.org?
2739[20:51:27] <greycat> I have no man page for "add-apt-repository" and I can't think of how a Debian system would be able to derive the meaning of "ppa:ondrej".
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2745[20:52:02] <karlpinc> greycat: He's doing awful things.
2746[20:52:18] <andana> Hey quick what does tar -S do?
2747[20:52:27] <greycat> Yeah, I saw "php 5.6".
2748[20:52:32] <greycat> andana: man tar
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2751[20:52:41] <Tom-_> okay thanks for trying, greycat
2752[20:52:42] <olivetree_> Hi, i'm running buster on a vps, and i'm trying to setup postfix and dovecot and thunderbird (smtp/imap), i can send from mutt emails everywhere, but on thunderbird only for my domain, can you tell me why and how can i resolve this?
2753[20:52:50] <Tom-_> ppa's are Ubuntu i think
2754[20:52:59] <Tom-_> I mean PPAs. down with apostrophes for pluralising
2755[20:53:02] <Tom-_> dpkg, ppa?
2756[20:53:02] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
2757[20:53:06] <karlpinc> andana: Then, "/-S" will do a "find".
2758[20:53:11] <greycat> Tom-_: at least you verified that the quiet parameter *has* been removed
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2761[20:53:42] <Tom-_> correct
2762[20:53:55] <karlpinc> The sury.org site claims to support debian.... Not that I'm arguing that this is a good idea.
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2764[20:54:48] <somiaj> sury.org seems trusthworthy to me, they build for specific debian releases and it is a debian dev creating the packages, so as far as thirdy party goes, it is probably safe.
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2766[20:55:26] <ws2k3> yeah its valid repo. i disabled the verification to get around it....
2767[20:55:28] <karlpinc> olivetree_: You'd need to look at the mail logs. Maybe show us... Also, if you don't get enough help here ask #postfix. (I like postfix....)
2768[20:55:28] <Tom-_> nevermind, booting manually in a grub menu doesn't show the Linux booting messages either... in fact it doesn't work at all, maybe i need to include ro
2769[20:55:38] <ws2k3> but that does not resolve the issue. cause this is a strange error that i wanne resolve
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2771[20:56:34] <karlpinc> olivetree_: Start with the mail logs on your local box. Then those on the vps.
2772[20:57:10] <Tom-_> i'm going to blame the BIOS and nvidia drivers
2773[20:57:12] <olivetree_> i only have mail setup on the vps, not local. Local has only thunderbird.
2774[20:57:21] <olivetree_> It says rejected
2775[20:57:29] <olivetree_> check recipient
2776[20:57:34] <olivetree_> relay denied
2777[20:57:36] <olivetree_> i mean
2778[20:58:04] <karlpinc> olivetree_: Thunderbird is probably trying to give mail to the local box, which may or may not be configured to send mail via the VPS.
2779[20:58:05] <jmcnaught> ws2k3: maybe compare the checksum of /etc/ssl/ca-certificates.crt on the broken system with a working one?
2780[20:58:49] <somiaj> coulnd't debsums check that?
2781[20:58:56] <karlpinc> olivetree_: Or maybe Thunderbird is sending to the VPS and the vps does not trust your local box? The mail logs will reveal all.
2782[20:59:02] <olivetree_> I configured to the vps, and in fact it delivers to the vps email address, but i am not being able to send to other addresses
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2784[20:59:32] <olivetree_> thru the vps
2785[21:00:00] <jhutchins_wk> olivetree_: So the vps is not relaying from your system.
2786[21:00:09] <olivetree_> thats it
2787[21:00:17] <olivetree_> and i don't know why
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2789[21:01:46] <jmcnaught> olivetree_: do you have postfix configured to accept mail submissions from clients like thunderbird on a separate port from 25?
2790[21:02:36] <karlpinc> olivetree_: Because you don't want random people using your VPS to send spam from your domain. So the VPS postfix must be configured to trust you. Ideally, you use the submission port on the VPS, and SASL authentication, so the vps knows it can trust you.
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2793[21:03:02] <olivetree_> ah
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2797[21:03:32] <karlpinc> olivetree_: So when you send you first supply the vps with a username/password.
2798[21:03:38] <olivetree_> i'm using the submission but not the sasl, i tought it would authenticate with the user dtabase
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2801[21:04:28] <karlpinc> olivetree_: I think it might. I forget the details. You told thunderbird your username/password for sending mail? (Again, look in the logs!)
2802[21:04:40] <olivetree_> yes
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2805[21:04:55] <olivetree_> and it send to the domain, but not any were else
2806[21:05:12] <karlpinc> olivetree_: You might have to tell postfix to use PAM authentication.
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2808[21:05:36] <karlpinc> olivetree_: It sends to the domain because anybody can send to the domain if you are to receive mail from the world.
2809[21:05:52] <jmcnaught> olivetree_: can you make a paste of your /etc/postfix/main.cf and master.cf files?
2810[21:06:06] <jmcnaught> alternatively you might ask in #postfix
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2813[21:06:28] <olivetree_> give me a moment
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2815[21:06:34] <karlpinc> olivetree_: (The first thing #postfix wants is main.cf and master.cf.)
2816[21:06:38] <olivetree_> Where can i paste? pastebin?
2817[21:06:47] <karlpinc> !paste
2818[21:06:48] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2821[21:07:11] <karlpinc> !pastebinit
2822[21:07:11] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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2833[21:18:25] <olivetree_> replaced-url
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2835[21:19:44] <olivetree_> replaced-url
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2839[21:21:02] <olivetree_> karlpinc, jmcnaught here they are
2840[21:21:34] <jhutchins_wk> olivetree_: You'll notice that pastebin.com is not one of the sites recommended in the factoid. They've had spam and malware problems and are blocked by some commercial firewalls.
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2844[21:24:15] <olivetree_> BRB
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2858[21:30:18] <NetTerminalGene> there is no new version of firefox esr yet!
2859[21:30:25] <NetTerminalGene> what is going on?
2860[21:30:45] <greycat> Debian doesn't put out NEW versions of firefox-esr until absolutely mandated by the expiration of support for the CURRENT version.
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2862[21:30:55] <greycat> For the current version, support expires in October.
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2865[21:31:20] <NetTerminalGene> greycat, i mean 60.8 esr
2866[21:31:25] <ws2k3> if i have multi ip's on a machine. how do i configure/set which one should be used by default for outgoing traffic?
2867[21:31:40] <karlpinc> olivetree_: I think you need to paste the output of "postconf". (Pay attention to the lines containing "sasl".
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2871[21:32:05] <NetTerminalGene> greycat, there is still 60.7
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2874[21:33:04] <greycat> *shrug*
2875[21:33:29] <greycat> I'm sure they'll get around to 60.8.0 some time soon.
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2877[21:38:32] <karlpinc> olivetree_: I now recall. I have this replaced-url
2878[21:39:05] <Akuw> i am geting "sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin" when so "sudo -u postgres psql -d mydb
2879[21:39:31] <wr> how can i check all package dependencies if all is ok on whole debian 10?
2880[21:39:59] <greycat> wr: "apt-get -f install" or "dpkg --configure -a" are common commands to verify a normal state
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2882[21:40:25] <greycat> but generally, if there's a problem, you would already be aware of it
2883[21:40:40] <wr> greycat, and to see if something is outdated between packages?
2884[21:41:19] <greycat> what do you mean by outdated between packages?
2885[21:41:41] <Tom-_> greycat, I got the boot text back by removing an nvidia driver, I think, and redoing the initrd
2886[21:41:57] <wr> greycat, by the way on "dpkg --configure -a" i do get some errors on ldconfig and start-stop-daemon
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2888[21:42:57] <wr> greycat, i mean newer versions between package dependencies i don't know if it checks that automatically
2889[21:42:57] <karlpinc> ws2k3: Often you do that in the program that's sending outgoing traffic.
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2894[21:45:41] <jhutchins_wk> ws2k3: You set the default gateway device.
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2898[21:47:09] <greycat> wr: I still have no idea what you mean. If a newer version of a package is released (e.g. a security update), you'll pick that up with "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" or whatever the equivalents are in your chosen tool set.
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2902[21:48:41] <wr> greycat, i'm not sure if my system all package dependencies are ok, and if auto on update it checks it
2903[21:49:30] <greycat> What problems are you seeing? Have you resolved those start-stop-daemon issues you pointed out previously? If not, you could start there.
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2906[21:50:24] <jhutchins_wk> Wasn't there some sort of "fix" option for aptitude?
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2908[21:50:47] <greycat> If his service run scripts are actually failing, aptitude can't "fix" that.
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2913[21:52:24] <wr> greycat, that ldconfig and start-stop-daemon yes
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2915[21:52:46] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, aptitude -f install is what I was thinking of. Not necessarily relelvant, just made me think of it. We used to see that suggested much more often than the last two or three releases.
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2917[21:52:53] <greycat> wr: well, fix those.
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2919[21:54:02] <wr> greycat, basically this replaced-url
2920[21:54:05] <olivetree_> back
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2922[21:55:21] <wr> greycat, after a echo $PATH command i have /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
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2924[21:55:52] <jhutchins_wk> wr: You have to do dpkg --configure as root.
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2926[21:56:07] <wr> jhutchins_wk, am on root
2927[21:56:25] <greycat> dpkg, buster su is <reply>The <su> command changed in buster: it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See replaced-url
2928[21:56:26] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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2930[21:56:41] <greycat> wr: if you think your PATH after su is the issue, see above.
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2932[21:57:06] <jhutchins_wk> wr: The fact that you have the games path indicates you have the non-root path.
2933[21:57:12] <wr> greycat, last time i did not use su, but su -
2934[21:57:22] <jhutchins_wk> wr: Your path says otherwise.
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2936[21:57:37] <karlpinc> olivetree_: See the backhistory
2937[21:58:11] <wr> jhutchins_wk, i did open the root shell here, but if it says that
2938[21:58:18] <greycat> buster's dpkg also sets PATH internally when it runs scripts, as a workaround for the buster su change
2939[21:58:24] <karlpinc> olivetree_: Then you need to tell dovecot to use "plain" authentication so it can use PAM. IIRC.
2940[21:58:41] <greycat> or at least I think I read that somewhere, but I don't recall where
2941[21:58:52] <jhutchins_wk> wr: You also don't have any sbin folders in your path. Try again.
2942[21:59:05] <karlpinc> olivetree_: Then, anyone with a Unix account can send/receive mail. (send via postfix, receive via dovecot)
2943[21:59:10] <jhutchins_wk> wr: ... or just log in as root on a console.
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2945[22:00:47] <olivetree_> thanks :)
2946[22:00:49] <karlpinc> olivetree_: (I did something slightly different with dovecot/pam so that unix logins must be in a particular group in order to use imap or submission.)
2947[22:01:03] <olivetree_> I just configured with that, now just to test
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2949[22:01:16] <karlpinc> olivetree_: Does dovecot work?
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2951[22:01:51] <karlpinc> olivetree_: (And I don't recall where you put the TLS stuff. My paths may not be your paths.)
2952[22:01:52] <ws2k3> jmcnaught i already copyed the ca-certificates.crt from another box same result
2953[22:02:30] <olivetree_> yes
2954[22:03:00] <karlpinc> olivetree_: Then I'd _expect_ postfix to work. If you have sasl in postfix be "dovecot".
2955[22:03:02] <olivetree_> if i recall well it's on main.cf
2956[22:03:38] <peterfarge> I want to install 'ssmtp' but get the error is: Package 'ssmtp' has no installation candidate
2957[22:03:38] <peterfarge> I have done 'apt-get update'. Its Debian 8.6 with this sources.list:
2958[22:03:38] <peterfarge> ##### Debian Jessie Archiv ########
2959[22:03:38] <peterfarge> deb [check-valid-until=no] replaced-url
2960[22:03:38] <peterfarge> deb replaced-url
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2962[22:03:42] <karlpinc> olivetree_: Some of that submission settings may not be relevant to you.
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2964[22:04:29] <wr> jhutchins_wk, did a export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin, it's same value i have on a new debian 10 vm install made, if i do after dpkg --configure i see same error
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2967[22:05:18] <greycat> peterfarge: your sources.list might have been chopped off, but just in case you really ONLY have two lines: you need the main repository line also, not just -backports. And there is no more security for jessie.
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2970[22:05:40] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
2971[22:05:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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2973[22:05:51] <Tom-_> dpkg, glob
2974[22:05:51] <dpkg> Tom-_: I don't know, could you explain it?
2975[22:05:52] <LunaLovegood> I need to compile a QT5 app. What's the apt-get install QT5 dev package's name?
2976[22:05:53] <Tom-_> dpkg, globbing
2977[22:05:55] <greycat> Hmm, maybe I'm wrong about the security bit.
2978[22:05:57] <wr> jhutchins_wk, installed a new debian virtual machine and got PATH values out, and did the export on my real machine
2979[22:06:28] <greycat> dpkg, glob is a shell pattern for matching files or strings, like *.txt
2980[22:06:28] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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2983[22:07:29] <LunaLovegood> I want to compile a QT5 app on a headless thingy, so what *-dev package do I need to apt-get if I want as little bloat as possible on my headless machine?
2984[22:07:32] <peterfarge> dpkg: greycat: Thanks :) I will try it.
2985[22:07:32] <dpkg> peterfarge: I give up, what is it?
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2988[22:08:23] <tarzeau> LunaLovegood: which app? and why not just make a deb package ?
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2991[22:09:12] <LunaLovegood> tarzeau: snowman, it's ARM and x86 decompiler.
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2994[22:09:39] <greycat> because a decompiler uses a gui toolkit... ?:-(
2995[22:09:42] <tarzeau> tried redasm yet?
2996[22:09:45] <LunaLovegood> this one does
2997[22:09:57] <tarzeau> greycat: they got some funky graphings with code/data etc but yeah
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2999[22:10:02] <ws2k3> so how would i fix this: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
3000[22:10:05] <tarzeau> not like ndisasm / debug.com
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3002[22:10:43] <tarzeau> LunaLovegood: i made packages of redasm ready to use :) replaced-url
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3004[22:10:52] <tarzeau> LunaLovegood: can have a look at snowman, same url :)
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3008[22:11:27] <LunaLovegood> alright I try redasm. thank you.
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3012[22:14:19] <dob1> ,v tailf
3013[22:14:20] <judd> No package named 'tailf' was found in amd64.
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3015[22:14:27] <dob1> err
3016[22:14:34] <greycat> tailf was not a package; it was a program, and it's gone in buster
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3018[22:14:42] <dob1> greycat, for what?
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3020[22:14:49] <greycat> read the stretch manpage for it
3021[22:14:59] <ws2k3> so how would i fix this: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
3022[22:15:45] <dob1> greycat, ah ok... I was thinking it was like an alias
3023[22:15:59] <greycat> replaced-url
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3025[22:16:02] <jhutchins_wk> wr: which ldconfig; dpkg -l libc-bin
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3027[22:16:05] <greycat> DAMN that look a lot of doing
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3035[22:21:22] <LinuxGuy2020> Does the new 10 release require a swap partition or does it utilize a swap file like some other modern distros use?
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3037[22:21:44] <greycat> As far as I know it uses either one, just like every Debian release before it.
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3042[22:24:23] <LunaLovegood> Damn. redasm segfaults when trying to disassemble the object file I wanted it to. Ithink I still have a QT5 dev install somewhere so I'll try snowman next I guess
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3046[22:25:39] <wr> jhutchins_wk, greycat the Note: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin, i do miss the last /sbin, so i changed it, and now the dpkg --configure -a gives no error, for now this seems solved
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3048[22:26:12] <greycat> Hmm. Maybe that bit about dpkg setting PATH internally was reverted, which would be why I can't find it in any current docs
3049[22:26:20] <greycat> Or I hallucinated it.
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3051[22:28:00] <wr> greycat, jhutchins_wk is this command correct to change the $PATH variable. export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:$PATH
3052[22:28:43] <greycat> wr: either "su -" or "sudo -s" or "sudo -i" should give you a shell as root with the PATH properly set. If it doesn't, you have something else seriously wrong. Possibly you messed up ~root/.profile or something.
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3054[22:29:18] <karlpinc> wr: (That should work. It might get you duplicates.) Best to figure out what's broken and fix it rather than just adding duct tape on top.
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3056[22:29:29] <greycat> The PATH with sbins in it should come from /etc/profile and /root/.profile should NOT override it, but maybe yours does because of some modification you made.
3057[22:30:10] <tarzeau> i love the users fiddling with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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3061[22:31:07] <jhutchins_wk> wr: The fact that echo $PATH showed a regular user path and not the root path indicates that something else was wrong that was causing the wrong path to be used.
3062[22:31:31] <jhutchins_wk> wr: You can kludge it to work, but you should figure out what is broken.
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3065[22:32:18] <peterfarge> greycat: Thanks a lot, it worked :)
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3070[22:35:12] <wr> brb
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3085[22:43:51] <deadrom> hi
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3088[22:44:51] <deadrom> how can I make a crontab script use X? example: if some script reaches a condition, do notify-send "alert!"
3089[22:45:16] <greycat> You can't do it without ugly kludges.
3090[22:45:19] <deadrom> but notify-send creates an X thingy. when called from cron the script is not attached to an X session
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3095[22:46:03] <deadrom> greycat: in a pinch I'm ok with ugly kludges. what would you suggest?
3096[22:46:15] <greycat> You either have to guess what the correct $DISPLAY variable is, and set it by hand, and that's horrible, or you have to set up some sort of service-daemon-thing that runs in your X session and have the cron job communicate with that instead of calling xpopupwhatever directly.
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3099[22:46:56] <deadrom> balls.
3100[22:47:08] <deadrom> ok, thanks
3101[22:48:14] <deadrom> $DISPLAY I could determine from the session and write in a file. yeah, could work.
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3103[22:48:56] <greycat> what happens if you login twice at the same time
3104[22:48:59] <brwoods> Maybe create some sort of script to do it and add that to your desktop startup
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3107[22:49:48] <cybercrypto> deadrom: there will be a user-session active to receive the alert? or?
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3113[22:51:12] <brwoods> or use w to get an xsession or all of them, and send them out that way
3114[22:51:35] <brwoods> I dunno
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3133[22:57:12] <jhutchins_wk> Also, the cron job would have to run as the user you're sending to, because they own the screen session.
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3135[22:57:42] <deadrom> cybercrypto: yes
3136[22:57:56] <deadrom> greycat: twice..? you mean login to two X sessions?
3137[22:58:13] <greycat> Sure. Yes. Or three console logins and two X sessions.
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3139[22:58:33] <brwoods> Or run it as root and su it.
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3141[22:58:49] <greycat> Just in case you were planning to put the "write my DISPLAY variable to a file" thing in a file that would be run in both console and GUI logins.
3142[22:58:55] <jmcnaught> deadrom: cron emails output of the cronjob to the crontab owner, even if mail is local only you can probably get notifications based on a custom mail filter easier than messing with $DISPLAY
3143[22:58:58] <jhutchins_wk> cron has a mechanism to run as user.
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3145[22:59:29] <greycat> jmcnaught: the point is to have it POP UP on the display and not sit passively in a mail box that may not be currently viewed
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3151[23:00:51] <jmcnaught> Yeah I realize that, just thinking it could be easier to have thunderbird display a popup about a mail it receives
3152[23:00:56] <deadrom> greycat: easy: if soemone spawns 2 X sessions I'll have them shot
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3155[23:02:33] <spigot> anyone have a vimrc (in $home, not systemwide) that still sources the default rc files before loading their personal additions/changes? come across a few options to do so, and curious what folks are using
3156[23:02:34] <greycat> I suppose in theory you could create a subdirectory of $HOME and populate it with one file for each X session that starts up, with the file name being the $DISPLAY. Just make sure you remove them when ending the X session, and when booting.
3157[23:02:50] <wr> jhutchins, greycat noticied a thing after a test, when i go on my debian 10 new fresh virtual machine install and do a echo $PATH i get /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin but on my real debian pc on "su -" i get "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" but running a root "GUI terminal"(red) also on physsical pc i get /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games, this means values are different on
3158[23:02:50] <wr> the two different debians the virtual and my physical machine, what i wonder is if i should have those values if i open a root GUI terminal via menu and if all is ok
3159[23:02:52] <greycat> Then your hypothetical cron job could launch a popup in every DISPLAY in that directory.
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3162[23:03:26] <cybercrypto> deadrom: you may want to authorize external use of X session (of the user session) using xhost. then i guess it could work
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3164[23:04:08] <greycat> cybercrypto: NO!
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3166[23:04:10] <greycat> NO NO NO NO NO NOO NO!
3167[23:04:14] <greycat> NOOO!
3168[23:04:17] <greycat> BAD!!
3169[23:04:21] <deadrom> :D
3170[23:04:45] <tarzeau> xhost + ?
3171[23:04:46] <deadrom> I was about to say something similar, but it carried a lot more understatement
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3173[23:05:17] <greycat> tarzeau: naughty!
3174[23:05:45] <cybercrypto> greycat: will an external user be able to use X session with no auth? i dont think so. If you want to avoid xhost, please make your script to use ssh -X so it can also send messages via X tunnel.
3175[23:06:20] <greycat> THERE IS NO EXTERNAL USER
3176[23:06:25] <greycat> YOU RUN THE CRON JOB AS YOURSELF
3177[23:06:33] * tarzeau ROFL
3178[23:06:43] <jmcnaught> wr: so you get the correct $PATH with sbin on your PC with 'su -l' but not if you use this 'root "GUI terminal"(red)'? Is this a red icon to get a root shell?
3179[23:06:50] <greycat> No ssh tunnel, no xhost, none of this CRAP.
3180[23:07:23] * tarzeau gets the wodka from the fridge
3181[23:07:25] <deadrom> I do love a crude stunt but even I know xhost + is protomatter. it solves certain problems but any ethical scientist denounces it.
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3184[23:08:45] <wr> jmcnaught, exactly, but i used "su -" not "su -l", the values differ on su - and the GUI root terminal on menu, that i don't know what that means
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3188[23:09:28] <wr> jmcnaught, by the way it's what i have on XFCE menu, have a root terminal on menu
3189[23:09:29] <jmcnaught> wr: it means that you should stop using that GUI root terminal in the menu, and from now on only use a regular terminal where you type "su -" or "su -l" which are the same thing
3190[23:09:39] <tarzeau> last week on reddit i read something like: if you make software more idiot proof. even worse idiots will get spawned...
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3193[23:10:39] <greycat> su - and su -l are the same
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3196[23:10:57] <wr> jmcnaught, i was convinced they were the same on a root, so it really does a difference?
3197[23:10:59] <greycat> clearly your GUI root shell terminal thingy is broken, and you should stop relying on it, or fix it, or report a bug on it
3198[23:11:23] <jmcnaught> wr: the difference is the one you have been struggling with, the $PATH being set correctly or not.
3199[23:11:32] <wr> jmcnaught, my doubt is, should the echo #PATH differ on GUI and shell? or not
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3201[23:12:14] <greycat> GUIs are crazy and often brokenb.
3202[23:12:20] <greycat> Like my typing.
3203[23:12:49] <greycat> If you run a Desktop Environment, expect to spend a non-negligible portion of your time fighting against it.
3204[23:13:14] <tarzeau> that only applies to linux desktops
3205[23:13:19] <deadrom> gotta run, enjoyed my stay as usual, thanks for the ideas
3206[23:13:20] <greycat> *snort*
3207[23:13:29] <tarzeau> plan9 and macOS work quite good
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3209[23:13:44] <wr> greycat, jmcnaught i did try this in all ways to conclude that this xfce GUI root might be messing when i was doing changes, but not totally sure yet, but the thing is is that value "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games" wrong?
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3211[23:13:50] <jmcnaught> I use GNOME and never need to fight it.
3212[23:13:54] <tarzeau> jmcnaught: hahahaha
3213[23:14:07] <greycat> wr: did it WORK? Did it do what you NEEDED it to do? No? Then it ain't workin'.
3214[23:14:28] <jmcnaught> wr: root doesn't need /usr/games in its $PATH
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3218[23:14:32] <greycat> jmcnaught: oh my glob, GNOME is the absolute WORST offender.
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3222[23:15:05] <wr> greycat, i agree, all DE's somewhat suck i never seemed to totally like one, but i have to use one unfortunatelly
3223[23:15:33] <cybercrypto> greycat: what is your suggestion then?
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3225[23:15:44] <tarzeau> wr: you have to use one? and which one did you pick? xterm full screen? mouse cursor 1px transparent?
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3227[23:15:52] <jmcnaught> GNOME is just a means to switch between some terminal windows, a browser and an MUA. It stays out of my way, it's keyboard oriented, and stuff works like plugging USB sticks in or using multimedia keys.
3228[23:15:55] <kale> cybercrypto: xfce or fluxbox/blackbox
3229[23:16:04] <wr> jmcnaught, by what you guys refer the GUI root is not ok, and i agree
3230[23:16:12] <tarzeau> jmcnaught: and it's going badly wrong on resources even for such easy tasks
3231[23:16:13] <greycat> Want to fight with GNOME? Try doing something even *slightly* different from what the unwashed masses do. Like setting a custom umask value for your session. Or setting some LC_* values different from LANG.
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3234[23:16:51] <wr> tarzeau, by now xfce, but i use lxde on other machines
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3236[23:16:53] <cybercrypto> kale: I am refering to greycat answer to send-notify.
3237[23:16:56] <greycat> These things take 10 seconds to do in any other environment. In GNOME they are completely impossible.
3238[23:17:04] <kale> cybercrypto: sorry
3239[23:17:20] <cybercrypto> kale: :-)
3240[23:17:20] <wr> tarzeau, but i don't totally love them... :(
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3242[23:18:35] <tarzeau> bottle empty. good night
3243[23:18:38] <dob1> if in a systemd service file, in the After= section I put a service that will never start or that it fails to start, the service related to this file will never start either?
3244[23:18:47] <wr> jmcnaught, but let me get back to basics, what value should be there? the same as my other? like export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin ?
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3246[23:20:15] <greycat> wr: open a terminal, and run "su -". The PATH you get there is the one you want in your GUI "root shell". If your GUI "root shell" does not give you that value, figure out what you will do about it.
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3249[23:23:26] <dob1> too late for the question, have to go sorry
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3251[23:24:50] <wr> greycat, roger, did the change, gonna reboot and see what happens
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3253[23:25:40] <noodlepie> Running Debian 10 stable on our 2 core AMD/ATI jobber!
3254[23:25:53] <noodlepie> It's all working well!
3255[23:25:58] <noodlepie> I love it!
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3270[23:38:20] <wr> jmcnaught, greycat, still on games, eish.... the part of figure out, is format hard disk for me
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3272[23:38:46] <greycat> I explained it in excruciating detail.
3273[23:38:57] <greycat> What are you STILL confused about?
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3291[23:58:10] <Lady_Aleena> ACK! replaced-url
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3293[23:58:36] <wr> sound the alarms
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3295[23:59:07] <wr> Lady_Aleena, maybe power went out
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