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49[00:27:15] <CyberManifest> replaced-url
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53[00:30:16] <monpoulpe> only idea righ now : you have apticron or unnatended-upgrades service active ?
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55[00:30:56] <mureena> Oh nice, isn’t async a keyword in python?
56[00:31:26] <monpoulpe> python noob, sorry :(
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58[00:32:19] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, yeah, how would I disable them to fix issue?
59[00:33:00] <monpoulpe> systemctl disable «servicename» (or use autocompletion)
60[00:33:11] <CyberManifest> Errors were encountered while processing:
61[00:33:11] <CyberManifest> python3-aptdaemon
62[00:33:12] <CyberManifest> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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64[00:34:36] <monpoulpe> do you have aptitude intalled ? try : sudo aptitude install -f
65[00:34:59] <monpoulpe> you haven’t use apt-get intall -f
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68[00:35:24] <monpoulpe> apt isn’t a good wrapper for reverses dependencies
69[00:36:57] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, replaced-url
70[00:37:39] <monpoulpe> cancel
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73[00:39:07] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, oops, I chose Yes: replaced-url
74[00:39:08] <monpoulpe> first remove this paquage with aptitude purge aptdaemon (do NOT validate without a pastebin if not sure !!!)
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76[00:39:47] <monpoulpe> no problems if you don’t reboot
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78[00:40:28] <monpoulpe> remove the aptdaemon paquage and after we will lok your grub problem
79[00:41:00] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, which do I chose now: replaced-url
80[00:41:19] <monpoulpe> yes
81[00:41:27] <monpoulpe> choose yes
82[00:41:56] <CyberManifest> replaced-url
83[00:42:25] <CyberManifest> chose Yes again?
84[00:42:33] <monpoulpe> choose yes again
85[00:43:17] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, replaced-url
86[00:43:38] <humpled> flashplayer-mozilla :o
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88[00:44:09] <monpoulpe> ok we remove the 2 shitting deb : aptitude purge python3-aptdaemon aptdaemon
89[00:44:49] <monpoulpe> yes we’re starting from a real bad or old install I think ;)
90[00:45:20] <CyberManifest> replaced-url
91[00:45:55] <monpoulpe> no and pastebin of next proposition plz
92[00:46:00] <mtn> monpoulpe: I think it is lmde3, with added repos
93[00:46:19] <monpoulpe> ouch bad news
94[00:46:31] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, replaced-url
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96[00:47:23] <CyberManifest> only official Debian repos
97[00:48:12] <monpoulpe> your in a loop i don’t see how to help on it, but anyway we need to check your grub... but seriously, a backup and reinstall will be softer...
98[00:48:57] <mtn> CyberManifest: packages with ubuntu in their name are not from a debian repo
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100[00:49:07] <monpoulpe> only debian ? you’re pointing on ubuntu rep ;)
101[00:50:15] <humpled> aptdaemon seems to have been dropped
102[00:50:19] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, yeah ok, and yeah about a reinstall, but this WAS on a fresh install from this morning; just added all the Debian Repos including Sid; I still don't see why it can't do updates with base as stable and backports at disposal
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104[00:50:44] <monpoulpe> so for grub 1st looking if still here : sudo dpkg -l (pipe i’m not at home and don’t found the key) grep grub
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107[00:51:40] <humpled> add ALL the repos!
108[00:52:04] <monpoulpe> well so you just learn a lesson : ubuntu and debian are based on the same things but aren’t mixable (or you know what you’re doing)
109[00:52:58] <CyberManifest> mtn, do you wish to confirm my sources: replaced-url
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111[00:53:25] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, replaced-url
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113[00:53:40] <CyberManifest> if there were Ubuntu sources then they were in LMDE3 by default
114[00:53:42] <mtn> CyberManifest: deb-src replaced-url
115[00:54:00] <xmetal> it's Linux Mint Debian edition, not Debian
116[00:54:07] <CyberManifest> mtn: I didn't know it was in LMDE
117[00:54:13] <monpoulpe> bad comparaison but : it’s like you’ve installed all yours windows 98 drivers on top of your win10 drivers. Yes both are windows, but not compatibles
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119[00:54:30] <mtn> CyberManifest: then why were you asking for help with it in the mint channel?
120[00:54:39] <CyberManifest> so I can just uncheck romeo and try again
121[00:54:40] <CyberManifest> right?
122[00:54:44] <mtn> no
123[00:54:45] <humpled> :þ
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125[00:55:11] <CyberManifest> mtn, because it's "Linux Mint" Debian Edition
126[00:55:25] <mtn> CyberManifest: which is NOT debian
127[00:55:28] <monpoulpe> no you can only try and pray : downgrade rarly works under linux :P
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129[00:55:55] <mtn> !lmde
130[00:55:55] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
131[00:56:01] <CyberManifest> mtn: it's not anything evidentially,
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133[00:56:17] <xmetal> o\
134[00:56:31] <CyberManifest> LMDE isn't supported in #linuxmint-help either
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136[00:56:44] <xmetal> off topic for here i bet
137[00:56:48] <humpled> does it even still exist?
138[00:56:50] <monpoulpe> well at least you’re learning the ecosystem of linux ;)
139[00:56:57] <mtn> CyberManifest: they were trying, but you were not telling the truth about what you had
140[00:57:06] <xmetal> that is why stuff like Manjaro is noot supported in the #arch room
141[00:57:09] <xmetal> different distros
142[00:57:27] <CyberManifest> mtn, BULLSHIT! When did I ever not tell the truth about what I had!?! SHOW ME!
143[00:57:32] <CyberManifest> BULL FUCKING SHIT!
144[00:57:37] <xmetal> uh oh
145[00:58:10] <mtn> heh
146[00:58:12] <CyberManifest> mtn: if your gonna like at least atempt to back it up with facts
147[00:58:22] <CyberManifest> lie*
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149[00:58:29] <mtn> CyberManifest: come to mint chat channel and we will discuss
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151[00:58:46] <monpoulpe> @CyberManifest anyway be carefull I think you haven’t any bootloader so you will not be able to reboot, backup before shutdown !
152[00:58:47] <xmetal> sorry @ Debian folks
153[00:59:17] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, how can I fix my bootloader?
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155[00:59:51] <monpoulpe> not guarranted but : sudo apt install -f grub2c
156[00:59:56] <monpoulpe> not guarranted but : sudo apt install -f grub2
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158[01:00:09] <xmetal> the boot loader is broken now?
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161[01:00:50] <monpoulpe> i’ve seen a pastebin with remove of grub-pc and grub2 so...
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164[01:01:41] <xmetal> i will stay out of this ... this has been going on in another channel, and some in here are new to "what's going on" ...totally understandable @ any confusiion
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166[01:02:22] <humpled> i'm not confused
167[01:02:39] <monpoulpe> @CyberManifest just check if it’s here with : dpkg -l | grep grub
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170[01:03:26] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, replaced-url
171[01:03:29] <monpoulpe> I tottally assume and will still try to save his system, no challenge, no gain !
172[01:03:31] <mureena> Is this the helldesk or #debian chat
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175[01:04:00] <monpoulpe> you’re good you’re able to boot/reboot
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178[01:04:54] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, alright, thank you :)
179[01:04:54] <monpoulpe> but I will not assume your aptdeamon thing’s related are ok ;)
180[01:05:04] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, I understand
181[01:05:19] <monpoulpe> yes !
182[01:05:33] <monpoulpe> and this too python3-aptdaemon.gtk3widgets
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184[01:05:50] <monpoulpe> the rest seems to be almost usable
185[01:05:59] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, indeed
186[01:06:07] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, thank you for your help
187[01:06:11] <humpled> except for the 666 packages not upgraded
188[01:06:17] <CyberManifest> evil
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190[01:06:23] <monpoulpe> your welcome was fun ;)
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192[01:07:35] <monpoulpe> he mixed repos, so thoses 666 deb aren’t to update, it’s just his apt which can,t do his pinning and loosing his head
193[01:07:43] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, happy 4th of July too by the way.
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195[01:08:22] <monpoulpe> Well don’t know what is it but anyway thanks
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197[01:08:40] <monpoulpe> (googling 4 july)...
198[01:08:49] <xmetal> USA holiday
199[01:08:56] <humpled> apparently it's a vain imitation of Bastille day
200[01:09:02] <CyberManifest> monpoulpe, oh, sorry, it's a USA holiday to celebrate America's Independence \
201[01:09:05] <monpoulpe> Holy **** I’m ashamed !
202[01:09:39] <monpoulpe> I have to know it sorry so happy national day for all ;)
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206[01:12:58] <monpoulpe> @humpled same coutry than me so ? ;)
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210[01:16:25] <rant> you do realize you're on IRC right?
211[01:16:32] <Chex> hahah
212[01:16:34] <rant> this is NOT twitter
213[01:16:54] <Chex> @rant: oh yeah??? I think your RONG!
214[01:17:18] <Chex> @chex: __you're___
215[01:17:30] <rant> no, I'm definately not.. @ here means someone has a user mode that gives them control of the channel
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222[01:19:08] <epsilon> RT @rant this is NOT twitter #irc #twitter #debian
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224[01:19:23] <rant> @.@
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226[01:20:11] <User> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@bolster
227[01:20:36] <User> I am now USER
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229[01:20:42] <User> like in TRON
230[01:20:47] <User> USSSERRRRR
231[01:20:55] * rant goes to sleep
232[01:20:57] <User> YOOOOZER
233[01:21:06] <rant> dpkg, yinzersmite User
234[01:21:06] * dpkg pooshes User aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere".
235[01:22:18] <User> how do I change my username on IrC
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244[01:27:07] <User> hexchat won't let me change it from User
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246[01:27:24] <User> why?
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256[01:32:34] <BunkyFob> morning all... am in a bit of a bind... either I've misconfigured something, or uninstalled the wrong thing... now when I log in, my desktop shows, but none of the menubar, etc, do [using lxqt]
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274[01:43:54] <LtL> User: click on 'hexchat' > network list > edit network > set username etc
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293[02:01:45] <Tom-_> BunkyFob, I don't really know what's going on there, but maybe you can try creating a temporary username and seein gif LXQT still works from there
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295[02:02:24] <BunkyFob> if only I could log out without rebooting :/
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307[02:10:36] <appa> what's the best way to recover a system that has hundreds of out of date packages?
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313[02:12:46] <epsilon> appa: is apt dist-upgrade not an option?
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315[02:12:54] <LtL> BunkyFob: do you have a 'lxqt-leave' manpage?
316[02:13:47] <appa> epsilon: I get hundreds of lines of warnings then it ends in something about dependancies breaking
317[02:14:13] <epsilon> appa: sounds bad
318[02:14:39] <appa> I'm attempting a more targeted approach... yeah, it looks like apt-get is removing half my system right now
319[02:14:53] <epsilon> external package source / different debian versions on the system?
320[02:15:17] <epsilon> take a look at /etc/apt/
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322[02:15:26] <appa> it's a bit of a archaeology project, I've got an old netbook that isn't supported, I found the last debian build they released for it
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325[02:15:45] <LtL> appa: try, dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install
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327[02:15:54] <appa> yeah those didn't work either
328[02:16:26] <LtL> appa: are you mixing releases, any idea what caused it?
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331[02:16:57] <epsilon> if it's a netbook/notebook, save the list of packages, backup everything and reinstall from scratch
332[02:16:59] <appa> no, it came with Sid, I'm newish to debian so I don't exactly know what everything is
333[02:17:00] <FunkyBob> well, seems I fixed it... either a minor config change, or some package removal... we'll never know
334[02:17:03] <FunkyBob> thanks for the help anyway
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337[02:17:10] <appa> normally I stick with ubuntu
338[02:17:40] <LtL> appa: any PPA's in your sources.list?
339[02:18:13] <appa> nope barebones
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343[02:20:06] <appa> it is an arm7 device
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345[02:21:08] <LtL> appa: well, i never used Sid, but it breaks
346[02:21:42] <appa> I think this is something else... something I don't understand, but should be pretty easy
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351[02:26:55] <appa> I can't figure out if I should worry about these messags: W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package ...
352[02:27:09] <appa> when I try to update them I get hundreds of them
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358[02:32:16] <LtL> appa: in 12+ years i don't think i've ever seen 'DepCompareOp'
359[02:32:30] <appa> it's new for me too
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451[04:10:11] <einfair> simple question about routing tables and rules - replaced-url
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473[04:28:59] <magic_ninja_work> so I just install debian on my laptop and I'm having a few issues. First, I'm getting terrible performance with my track pad. It is an Inspiron 7559
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475[04:30:35] <OneKekMan> I'm pretty annoyed rn... Why, in this whole quantum field, would man apparmor and man apparmor.d NOT mention the lack of implementation of AppArmor network control code?! Some of us out here like to pirate programs which cost more than a typical blue collar's yearly income, ones which like to signal flare back to sue-happy devs (looking at you: siemens vs 100 john does). It *really* needs to be mentioned in
476[04:30:37] <OneKekMan> manpages; at least in openbsd this sort of issue (bad doc) is a first class bug!
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478[04:32:27] <magic_ninja_work> What software, exactly, does Siemens run on linux?
479[04:33:07] <OneKekMan> NX
480[04:34:03] <magic_ninja_work> honestly, if you are running a pirated PLM my sympathies for you are pretty limited :)
481[04:34:05] <OneKekMan> A very killer CAD package. Beats solidworks and inventor to pieces (and therefore pulverizes freecad)
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483[04:34:52] <magic_ninja_work> The whole point of something as extensive as a PLM is that it just always works. You just don't get that with pirated software.
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485[04:35:54] <magic_ninja_work> I don't think SW and ACAD handle lifecycle tracking like PLM does though, do they?
486[04:36:26] <OneKekMan> It's more than lifecycle, it's the other modeling tools.
487[04:36:56] <OneKekMan> It's a... game... to me more than a production tool.
488[04:37:54] <magic_ninja_work> Well, I prefer not to play games with my living in that situation.
489[04:38:00] <OneKekMan> Class A surfacing, more stable than SW or SE, WAVE, control with expressions.
490[04:38:28] <magic_ninja_work> I've never used NX, though. Just ACAD and SW. The free alternatives aren't good enough.
491[04:39:17] <OneKekMan> Have you tried CATIA?
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493[04:40:16] <OneKekMan> Same vendor as SW: Dassault
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495[04:41:04] <OneKekMan> The difference between NX/CATIA and SW/SE/ACAD is night and day.
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497[04:41:58] <OneKekMan> If you know of someone who has access to NX, go try it. You may like it a lot!
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502[04:43:42] <magic_ninja_work> Have not tried catia
503[04:43:56] <magic_ninja_work> I might try to find someone and check it out. Typically I just do electrical schematics.
504[04:44:17] <magic_ninja_work> I may make a 2D footprint of a 3D model for my cabinets.
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506[04:45:52] <OneKekMan> I'm either going to have to implement a targeted SELinux policy for /opt/siemens/*, or I'm going to need to deny all network traffic by default (excepting loopback), with rules for the Tor daemon user (and maybe one special 'clear' user) to be granted access.
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509[04:47:18] <OneKekMan> Yea, definitely try to find one with a hefty license so much of it is accessible.
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511[04:47:42] <OneKekMan> Maybe a reseller in your area can grant you a trial.
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697[08:23:37] <shtrb> Good morning
698[08:24:34] <shtrb> What package should provide help /man pages for /usr/share/apache2/apache2-maintscript-helper ?
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808[09:36:23] <sehnee> how are priority numbers stored for package in alternatives system? web-fu failed me. say if vim has alternatives priority of 120 where is this data stored? i did dpkg-query -L vim and apt-cache show vim and neither seemed to list anything that says the priority of it
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810[09:37:17] <jelly> sehnee, hunt under /var/lib/dpkg
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813[09:37:46] <jelly> those are not in either dpkg or apt's state
814[09:38:05] <jelly> they're set up in package installation scripts (postinst, prerm)
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822[09:45:31] <rdz> hey all. I wrote python script that is going to run on Debian Stretch and Buster hosts. The script actually runs under python (2.X) and python3. how can i make the script automatically use python3 as interpreter on Buster but python on Stretch'
823[09:45:32] <rdz> ?
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826[09:46:51] <maxxe> buster yet?
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835[09:51:28] <CyberManifest> maxxe, 2 days
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837[09:52:39] <deego> rdz: /usr/bin/python will likely be linked to 3 in buster, and 2 in stretch. So, if you simply use that as the shebang..
838[09:53:48] <rdz> deego, i wish that'd be the case but it isn't
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840[09:54:19] <rdz> there is no /usr/bin/python on a fresh buster install
841[09:54:28] <rdz> unless you install python2.7
842[09:54:33] <Habbie> on my buster, it's a symlink to python2
843[09:54:42] <Habbie> i did not specifically pick that
844[09:54:47] <rdz> you can force the default to be python3, but i was advised not to do that
845[09:55:05] <rdz> Habbie, what i'm saying
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847[09:55:35] <Habbie> yes
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855[10:00:41] <rdz> this situation is a bit unlucky...
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859[10:01:17] <rdz> not having /usr/bin/python even if python 3.X is installed makes it hard for script maintainers
860[10:01:27] <rdz> a script can't have two she-bangs, can it?
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863[10:02:17] <sehnee> jelly: thank you! I think I've found the data storage in /var/lib/dpkg/info/vim.postinst as suggested. I am happy that I've found it.
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874[10:09:34] <jelly> sehnee, that's not the data storage. That's just what sets things up.
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876[10:10:01] <jelly> sehnee, current state is probably under /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/
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879[10:10:40] <jelly> rdz, if your script uses python3, use a shebang for python3: #! /usr/bin/python3
880[10:10:58] <jelly> rdz, if it uses python2, use #! /usr/bin/python
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888[10:12:21] <jelly> rdz, /usr/bin/python will be py2 for the foreseeable future, based on PEP-forgot-which-number
889[10:12:26] <rdz> jelly, my goal is to write a script that runs on debian buster and debian stretch and it would actually run under both, python2 and python3
890[10:12:40] <jelly> rdz, pick either 3 or 2.
891[10:12:42] <rdz> however, there is no way to run one script that runs under both stretch and buster
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894[10:13:18] <rdz> so i have to deploy two different scripts for buster and stretch
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897[10:13:28] <rdz> just with different shebangs.... that seems so stupid
898[10:13:30] <jelly> no, just use the same interpreter.
899[10:13:41] <jelly> use py3 on both, or use py2 on both
900[10:14:20] <rdz> that would mean megabytes of additional unnecessary package installations
901[10:14:35] <rdz> but it seems that is the way to go
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903[10:14:53] <rdz> i'd rather deploy a different script (different shebang) on buster hosts
904[10:14:55] <jelly> or make a shell wrapper that picks one.
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906[10:15:03] <shtrb> Anyone remember autoconf ? I'm trying to solve why the next line fail for me : #libiniparser1-dev is installed, so is libiniparser-dev\n AC_SEARCH_LIBS([iniparser_load], [iniparser1], [ AC_CHECK_HEADERS([iniparser.h], [have_system_iniparser=yes])])
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908[10:15:19] <rdz> jelly, shell-wrapper.. <- interesting
909[10:15:21] <rdz> thanks
910[10:16:33] <jelly> PATH=/usr/bin:/bin; [ -x /usr/bin/python3 ] && exec python3 /path/to/real/script "$@"; exec python /path/to/real/script "$@"
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919[10:23:15] <sehnee> jelly: yes thank you. I've been thinking so. Matter of reference, because for update-alternatives on the system it is as you say. However as far as who is up in the food chain, the setup script is what gives the current state in dpkg/alternatives/* their value, which was what I was after. My unstated overall goal was to see if one can easily list all possible alternatives for the debian repository itself,
920[10:23:21] <sehnee> a bit similar to how apt-cache searches, and in ways similar to the Provides meta-info in pkgs.
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922[10:24:19] <jelly> sehnee, no easy way, grab a full debian mirror and extract all the postinst and analyze :-|
923[10:24:27] <sehnee> jelly: yes
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925[10:25:03] <sehnee> jelly: food-for-thought: once done that, the result could be uploaded for each release.
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927[10:25:41] <jelly> there's really no guarantee alternatives won't change within a release (even if it'd be rather unusual)
928[10:25:57] <jelly> it's on the TODO list for judd bot.
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930[10:26:32] <sehnee> jelly: I see. Well that would be counter-intuitive than. Thanks for the info. Privately I wouldn't mind that, the per-release is just to induce a maintenance cycle.
931[10:26:58] <sehnee> s/than/then. :)
932[10:27:46] <shtrb> Thanks for the help , had a typo there
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946[10:42:33] <dcpc007> Hi, my /var/log/wtmp disappear on a debian 7 server, and is not created even after a reboot. Any idea of what happens and how to fix it please ?
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948[10:43:37] <dcpc007> seen no error in logs, no disk space problem
949[10:43:45] <dcpc007> other logs are updated
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951[10:44:18] <deego> rdz: i see. I guess you could create a usr/bin/python that symlinks to python3?
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958[10:55:52] <rdz> deego, the proper way would be to use update-alternatives to do this
959[10:56:05] <rdz> but i was told on this channels that this would be a very bad idea
960[10:56:31] <sehnee> bye
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963[10:56:44] <rdz> scripts that expect python 2 would end up running python3 as interpreter and probably break
964[10:57:18] <rdz> from what i heard it's good that debian didn't automatically symlink /usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/python3
965[10:57:27] <rdz> python people seem to agree
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976[11:03:02] <jelly> deego, you absolutely must not do that
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989[11:13:57] <deego> ah, fair point. that would probably break other scripts that assume python means python2? Ok, how about link /home/rdz/bin/rdspython to the python of your choice, and use that as the shebang?
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991[11:15:17] <rdz> deego, yeah. i think i'll do something long those lines
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993[11:15:47] <rdz> since the only way the script is going to be deployed is through ansible, i am going to set the python interpreter dynamically at deploytime
994[11:16:02] <jelly> deego, all the scripts assume /usr/bin/python is python2, and upstream has made a document on tht
995[11:16:14] <deego> thx
996[11:17:25] <jelly> PEP-394
997[11:17:33] <jelly> maybe
998[11:17:37] <dcpc007> no idea on how to reactivate or test the missing /var/log/wtmp ?
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1001[11:18:06] <deego> rdz: btw, why did you upgrade just before the release?
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1007[11:20:01] <jelly> dcpc007, I _think_ a user logging in creates it if missing
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1009[11:20:20] <jelly> ssh in once more, and see
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1014[11:20:43] <rdz> deego, hehe.. i didn't.. i'm just preparing my ansible scripts for Buster
1015[11:20:54] <deego> ah
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1028[11:26:03] <shemtov> news about release d10 buster?
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1033[11:29:14] <tarzeau> shemtov: bigger. better. buster.
1034[11:29:24] <rdz> :-)
1035[11:29:41] <tarzeau> shemtov: replaced-url
1036[11:29:55] <tarzeau> !buster
1037[11:29:55] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
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1043[11:35:10] <jelly> !buster release
1044[11:35:10] <dpkg> Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (replaced-url
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1046[11:35:35] <Haohmaru> tomorrow?
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1048[11:38:32] <Habbie> tomorrow
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1052[11:39:46] <JyZyXEL> looks like i'd have a 40 minute bus ride to the closest release party
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1064[11:49:40] <dff> is there any practical different updating to buster now instead of waiting for the official release?
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1066[11:50:19] <gour> morning
1067[11:51:09] <nkuttler> dff: we don't know the future
1068[11:51:28] <jelly> dff, not really
1069[11:51:41] <dff> jelly: my thoughts also
1070[11:51:47] <gour> i'm considering to switch to sid to use newer xfce and in order to make snapshots before updating system, do you recommend using xfs (which i currently do on buster) along with lvm or to move to btrfs?
1071[11:52:19] <jelly> use btrfs only if you have reliable backup and restore set up
1072[11:52:48] <gour> my netbook is single-drive system, but on the desktop i use raid-1 setup and never used mdadm on top of lvm. any hint?
1073[11:53:18] <jelly> you will probably want lvm on top of md, not the other way round
1074[11:53:19] <gour> jelly: well, i mostly do daily-backups using restic on my RDX cartridge
1075[11:53:36] <blackflow> gour: even better, go ZFS
1076[11:53:43] <jelly> gour, verify you have restore procedure from bare metal to usable system.
1077[11:53:44] <gour> jelly: lvm on top of md is more secure?
1078[11:53:48] <blackflow> if you know BTRFS, then ZFS concepts ain't gonna be alien to you
1079[11:54:16] <blackflow> gour: it's not about security but logic of layering volume management atop of RAID
1080[11:54:26] <jelly> gour, no, it's just the usual layering
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1082[11:54:46] <gour> blackflow: i did fiddle with zfs when using free/pcbsd in the past, but had a feeling it's a bit memory-hog...no idea about its support on linux now
1083[11:55:18] <gour> blackflow: i meant 'security' when things go wrong
1084[11:55:25] <blackflow> gour: it's support on linux is such that there's no only the "linux version of it"... ZoL is becoming OpenZFS proper and FReeBSD is rebasing to that. I've been using it in professional production for months now.
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1086[11:55:36] <blackflow> *not only
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1088[11:56:12] <gour> blackflow: what about support in debian?
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1090[11:56:53] <blackflow> gour: and it's not a memory hog. It thrives on RAM yes, but doesn't strictly require it, if you aren't using deduplication or L2ARC mapping.
1091[11:57:06] <blackflow> gour: the aforementioned professional use of ZFS _is_ on Debian (and Ubuntu)
1092[11:57:09] <FellowTraveller> I'm mounting a linux samba share on windows. It's ok
1093[11:57:09] <FellowTraveller> but it doesnt display the volume size, shows "0 b"
1094[11:57:22] <blackflow> gour: it's money making for me, so I trust it that much. So far so good.
1095[11:57:43] <gour> blackflow: do you use zfs for root as well?
1096[11:57:53] <blackflow> gour: yes, I use ZFS exclusively. Atop of LUKS even.
1097[11:58:00] <gour> hmm
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1099[11:58:42] <gour> blackflow: btw, which DE you use?
1100[11:58:47] <blackflow> I don't. i3wm
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1105[12:00:21] <gour> blackflow: ahh, ok. i like(d) it, but prefer some DE for my other family member which do use desktop machine occasionaly
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1107[12:00:54] <dcpc007> jelly, already done , even reboot
1108[12:01:13] <dcpc007> i just make a touch /var/log/wtmp and it works ... but strange
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1112[12:02:54] <borw3> btw, I use arch
1113[12:02:56] <blackflow> gour: for that purpose I'd install GNOME. It's default and just fine for non-power users and non-gamers. KDE is not bad either esp. for the windowsy folks.
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1115[12:03:28] <blackflow> How do you recognize an arch user? They'll tell you about it even if you didn't ask them.
1116[12:05:05] <gour> blackflow: i'm considering to move to gnome...i do not need much gnome apps - only light usage of evolution to handle contacts/calendars to sync with android phone (davdroid/baikal) and occasional usage of maps. otherwise, using vim, claws, gnucash, latexd/context...
1117[12:05:56] <borw3> KDE will rape your CPU, and Gnome will swallow your RAM.
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1119[12:07:26] <BCMM> how does KDE use excess cpu?
1120[12:07:40] <BCMM> it can slow your system down with indexing, but that's probably more iowait than cpu
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1122[12:08:21] <gour> i simply do not like KDE...didn't use it since 0.9.x times and then tried v5 under manjaro...prefer 'classical' xfce and/or gnome
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1135[12:13:45] <blackflow> gour: xfce is fine, but for "family members" GNOME is better because it has everything set up out of the box. with gvfs you just plug in stuff like mobile phones, it works. the default setup has all the gnome-settings stuff for a full blown deskop experience. now, whether KDE does the same, I don't know, but it's fuller than xfce.
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1137[12:14:15] <blackflow> last time I tried xfce it required some fiddling in that department. Maybe things changed now.
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1139[12:15:49] <jelly> dcpc007, you'll also want to chown root:utmp /var/log/wtmp && chmod 0664 /var/log/wtmp, then
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1143[12:16:35] <jelly> that's how logrotate recreates it
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1145[12:22:13] <dcpc007> jelly, thxn i'll check, but think it's the original /etc/logrotate.conf for debian install
1146[12:22:52] <jelly> that's what's in the default for that file
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1148[12:24:48] <Haohmaru> kool, debian 10.. yey
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1150[12:25:12] <JyZyXEL> best one yet *fingers crossed*
1151[12:25:24] <Haohmaru> what to do if you got debian 9 right now?
1152[12:25:38] <Haohmaru> something apt-get something?
1153[12:26:02] <jelly> Haohmaru, you read buster release notes.
1154[12:26:10] <jelly> !buster release notes
1155[12:26:10] <dpkg> The current draft of the release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
1156[12:26:36] <jelly> it's never just two somethings
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1159[12:27:19] <Haohmaru> i guess this: replaced-url
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1165[12:29:20] <jelly> that's the bare minimum to have to read
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1167[12:29:29] <jelly> it's better to read the whole thing.
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1179[12:40:23] <Haohmaru> i got a few programs from debian "backports" :/
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1181[12:45:06] <mureena> so, how many hours until release?
1182[12:45:15] <mureena> can't wait to break my mailservers
1183[12:45:31] <Haohmaru> pls, no breakage!
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1186[12:46:55] <Haohmaru> "File conflicts should not occur if you upgrade from a “pure” stretch system, but can occur if you have unofficial backports installed." <- does this mean that i'll have issues with those programs?
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1188[12:47:33] <Haohmaru> or what does "unofficial" mean?
1189[12:48:00] <mureena> backports from non debian provided repo probably
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1191[12:48:22] <mureena> I think I'm just gonna take a snapshop of my vm and go with the upgrade
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1193[12:48:39] <mureena> I can always return to the snapshot if I want
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1195[12:49:43] <Haohmaru> i got deb.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main
1196[12:49:57] <Haohmaru> and i use synaptic mainly, sometimes apt-get
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1199[12:51:51] <Haohmaru> hm, i got a game that was installed in a slightly exotic way, quake3, i think i used gdebi
1200[12:55:59] <gour> blackflow: doesn't thunar also uses gvfs?
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1212[13:06:25] <mureena> Well, here I go with the upgrade, took a backup, wish me luck now
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1214[13:07:54] <n0a110w> no php in the arm6/7 repos?
1215[13:07:57] <n0a110w> ops
1216[13:08:03] <n0a110w> wrong channel please ignore
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1239[13:19:09] <jelly> ignored
1240[13:19:10] <mureena> only one thing broke but luckily I know how to fix it :p dovecot needs bigger dh parameters
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1243[13:19:47] <jelly> wait, did it stop working because of that?
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1248[13:22:51] <mureena> yeah
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1250[13:23:12] <mureena> replaced-url
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1253[13:24:17] <jelly> ,v dovecot-imaps
1254[13:24:18] <judd> No package named 'dovecot-imaps' was found in amd64.
1255[13:24:19] <jelly> ,v dovecot-imapd
1256[13:24:20] <judd> Package: dovecot-imapd on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u6; stretch: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:2.2.27-3+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:2.3.4.1-4~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.3.4.1-5; sid: 1:2.3.4.1-5
1257[13:24:27] <jelly> ah
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1272[13:31:32] <jaggz> I'm trying to build krfb (vnc server) from source, but am getting a compile error: " undefined reference to `QAbstractItemView::eventFilter(QObject*, QEvent*)@Qt_5'" (actually a linker error I guess)
1273[13:31:51] <jaggz> I'm using the command dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc
1274[13:35:15] <magic_ninja_work> You might ask in the package channel
1275[13:35:37] <magic_ninja_work> so I just installed debian on this laptop. I'm not sure how to go about getting hybrid graphics working properly
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1277[13:36:17] <diogenes_> magic_ninja_work, the default nouveau should be working just fine.
1278[13:36:29] <magic_ninja_work> the system won't even boot with that driver
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1280[13:37:24] <diogenes_> magic_ninja_work, hybrid graphics implies intel gpu working full time and nvidia only occasionally so your system runs on intel gpu, it boots with i915 driver.
1281[13:37:34] <diogenes_> unless you disabled the intel card in bios.
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1283[13:38:05] <magic_ninja_work> sure didn't
1284[13:38:35] <magic_ninja_work> I get a soft lock when I try to startx with that driver. I had to get into a terminal with nomodeset and install the nvidia driver
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1287[13:40:14] <diogenes_> magic_ninja_work, and that was the mistake, you are not supposed to install plain nvidia driver when you have hybrid graphics, it's either you work with the default nouveau or you go through a labyrinthine tweaking arounds to install and make it work with bumblebee.
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1294[13:41:46] <magic_ninja_work> Then I'm going through that Maze.
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1297[13:42:59] <diogenes_> magic_ninja_work, replaced-url
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1309[13:45:23] <magic_ninja_work> cool, thanks.
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1311[13:45:33] <magic_ninja_work> I also hard something about vulcan instead of bumblebee
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1313[13:46:04] <diogenes_> vulkan is just a compatibility layer for games.
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1324[13:52:13] <magic_ninja_work> okay
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1327[13:54:03] <JyZyXEL> does vulkan have device selection like how opengl has dri prime?
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1349[14:07:40] <FellowTraveller> how can i enable xfs quota on software raid? im puting usrquota option to fdisk but aint working. I try to remount drive with a given options, aint working
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1351[14:08:30] <jelly> no idea, but quota is filesystem related, not raid / block device related
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1396[14:32:42] <Akuw> hi
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1399[14:33:19] <Akuw> i am doing an script to check some file in many servers, but that script use ssh, then login check file and go to next server
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1401[14:33:54] <Akuw> my question is, there is any problem running that in a loop? i mean, doing ssh in all servers again and again
1402[14:34:32] <jelly> only if your own policy says it's a problem
1403[14:34:56] <Akuw> ok
1404[14:35:23] <jelly> establishing ssh connections is somewhat expensive and slow. ansible keeps a multiplexed session for 60 seconds by default to avoid that
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1407[14:36:09] <jelly> if you're polling more often than every minutes or so you might want to do that
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1409[14:36:17] <jelly> every 5 minutes*
1410[14:36:18] <Akuw> i am doing this ssh x@192.168.122.1 'bash -s arg' < test1.sh
1411[14:36:37] <Akuw> each 2 minutes
1412[14:36:44] <jelly> Akuw, is it always the same test1.sh?
1413[14:36:59] <Akuw> test1.sh will do some patter check
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1415[14:37:33] <jelly> if it's always the same, consider copying it to remote and running a cron job there.
1416[14:37:36] <Akuw> find some pattern, using awk
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1418[14:38:46] <Akuw> that is a better solutions, but i need to send alarm
1419[14:39:12] <Akuw> and i have to put that script in all servers i want to monitor
1420[14:39:21] <Akuw> aroung 12
1421[14:39:26] <Akuw> around*
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1427[14:41:34] <Akuw> what way can i use to send a message from server to another linux computer?
1428[14:41:40] <Akuw> only mail?
1429[14:42:30] <mureena> yee checked every remarkable log file I could find and buster seems to be working really well
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1433[14:43:49] <mureena> Akuw: Why don't you try our savior Zabbix for monitoring, where you can also have file based triggers?
1434[14:43:53] <han-solo> Akuw: Do you have full access in the other server ?
1435[14:44:09] <Akuw> no
1436[14:44:30] <jelly> Akuw, snmp trap? A message queue protocol/system?
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1438[14:45:08] <Akuw> there is a log, then when certain message is in that log, i have to alarm
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1440[14:45:21] <Akuw> but just get a message to tell admin
1441[14:45:31] <jelly> can you set up centralized logging instead?
1442[14:45:53] <mureena> Yeah, like Zabbix
1443[14:45:56] <mureena> replaced-url
1444[14:46:06] <jelly> how often can the trigger happen?
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1446[14:46:19] <han-solo> jelly: rsyslogd ?
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1449[14:46:37] <Akuw> i have to install in all servers?
1450[14:46:39] <jelly> han-solo, remote syslog with rsyslog or syslog-ng is one of the options yes
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1452[14:46:52] <han-solo> jelly: sorry, that was for Akuw
1453[14:46:52] <Akuw> is a custom log
1454[14:46:57] <han-solo> sorry
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1457[14:47:13] <jelly> or ELK or Splunk (commercial)
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1459[14:47:28] <Akuw> is a log generated by one application and log change log each hour, diferent one
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1461[14:47:38] <mureena> Akuw: Have a single Zabbix server and install Zabbix agents that deliver you the infomation on every host you wish to monitor
1462[14:47:41] <jelly> Akuw, how fast does the log fill?
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1464[14:47:54] <Akuw> every second
1465[14:48:21] <jelly> Akuw, it might make sense to run ssh x@host tail -F /path/to/log and then run triggers locally
1466[14:48:43] <jelly> if there's not much traffic in the logs.
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1468[14:49:01] <jelly> there are many ways to skin that cat
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1470[14:49:22] <Akuw> the point is, every hour there will be a new log name 01-logsomethins, 02-logsomething, etc
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1473[14:50:07] <jelly> Akuw, can you reconfigure the app to log via syslog?
1474[14:50:16] <jelly> or, even journald
1475[14:50:30] <Akuw> and i have to alarm when a number of error consecutive is there, suppose ERROR five times
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1484[14:55:39] <Akuw> Zabbix can use any log?
1485[14:56:08] <Akuw> for example suppouse i create a log with 2 fields Time and Type of Error (0, 1, 2)
1486[14:56:14] <jelly> zabbix is a framework to do monitoring and alerting, there are plugins for many things and you can always write your own
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1488[14:56:36] <Akuw> sample 02:02:00;1
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1490[14:56:50] <Akuw> ok
1491[14:57:10] <jelly> are the remote systems debian?
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1496[14:58:20] <tardmonger> how do i keep drones from getting into my computer?
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1499[14:58:54] <han-solo> what ?
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1502[14:59:13] <OS-10000> hi
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1504[14:59:14] <trackanddirt> drone_catcher.sh
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1506[14:59:24] <tardmonger> han-solo: i have little drones trying to fly into my USB ports and access my personal information
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1513[15:00:21] <laughingtiger> hi pls help me with system locale settings. I'm with debian stretch, everything is perfect except the locale settings, command "locale" shows all LANG* are different languages than english, but /etc/default/locale shows all language are set to english, I've tried dpkg reconfigure locales and set it to english only, but no luck. I'm really confused.
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1515[15:01:03] <tarzeau> laughingtiger: maybe some .profile or .bashrc setting in your user home?
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1518[15:01:13] <jelly> laughingtiger, your Desktop Environment (say, Gnome if you use that) might have different locale settings saved for you user
1519[15:01:52] <jelly> laughingtiger, create a fresh new user, log in as that, and see what they got
1520[15:01:57] <laughingtiger> tarzeau, jelly thank you both, let me check it.
1521[15:02:35] <jelly> laughingtiger, also: log in at the text console (Ctrl-Alt-F2) and look at the values there as well
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1532[15:06:09] <laughingtiger> jelly, you are right, the text console shows different than in desktop konsole.
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1536[15:06:59] <laughingtiger> differently I mean. I'm using kde, so it must be some kde settings.
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1539[15:07:45] <magic_ninja_work> laughingtiger, press meta (windows) key type in settings and launch system settings
1540[15:08:21] <laughingtiger> magic_ninja_work, system setting and? do you mean regional settings?
1541[15:08:30] <magic_ninja_work> If you use the search bar and type loca you will find regional settings, you can then add your preferred setting.
1542[15:08:41] <laughingtiger> I've changed that.
1543[15:09:32] <laughingtiger> jelly, thank you now I've got a target to aim at.
1544[15:09:37] <laughingtiger> magic_ninja_work, thank you too.
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1546[15:10:00] <magic_ninja_work> You could have a config over-riding it. I'm also going to suggest an upgrade tomorrow. Buster will be released.
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1548[15:10:40] <magic_ninja_work> I'm also confused. What is being displayed in a different language, and what language?
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1556[15:16:28] <mureena> I'm living on the edge and upgraded a mail server to buster already
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1563[15:18:53] <magic_ninja_work> Buster is great. I think I picked the right time to switch back.
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1565[15:19:53] <magic_ninja_work> about 6 months on linux-mandrake. Then switched to ubuntu in 2004. Back to windows at windows 7. Skipped 8 and upgraded to 10 a few years ago. Now, I'm not a fan of the rolling-release type of system, so I'm back on linux.
1566[15:20:13] <magic_ninja_work> Of course, debian is slow-moving and I like that.
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1568[15:20:54] <magic_ninja_work> I'm perfectly fine with managing my own software installs for the few things I need it for. birdtray, newer libreoffice and probably a couple other things.
1569[15:21:15] <NetTerminalGene> guys, i had upgraded to buster from stretch when its first freeze stage. it installed plymouth after a couple of weeks later. my disc is fully encrypted. so, when boot it asks me password. the screen that requires password is supposed to be themed by plymouth. but instead, i don't see any theme, the screen is themeless. if i install plymouth theme, would it fix it?
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1571[15:22:06] <NetTerminalGene> why didn't debian install theme package?
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1573[15:22:20] <NetTerminalGene> i don't want to brick my debian
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1577[15:23:39] <laughingtiger> magic_ninja, perfect, it is indeed the regional settings that takes effect. now everything is all right.
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1579[15:23:53] <magic_ninja_work> laughingtiger, good, glad you got it figured out.
1580[15:24:03] <laughingtiger> magic_ninja_work, thank you
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1589[15:27:26] <magic_ninja_work> so I'm getting some failures on startup. Errors and such that is really slowing it down. Where would that log be located so that I can start tracking them down.
1590[15:28:48] <mureena> Check the output of dmesg
1591[15:29:49] <magic_ninja_work> There is a TON of output from dmesg anything specific to grep?
1592[15:29:54] <nkuttler> magic_ninja_work: journalctl -b -perr
1593[15:30:09] <nkuttler> magic_ninja_work: well, which errors did you see?
1594[15:30:25] <magic_ninja_work> hold that thought. Rebooting right quick
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1600[15:33:58] <magic_ninja_work> replaced-url
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1602[15:34:10] <magic_ninja_work> nkuttler, those are the errors I'm getting
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1613[15:39:45] <Akuw> jelly: installing Zabbix...
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1659[16:11:18] <keltik> hi
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1673[16:20:07] <magic_ninja_work> keltik, hello
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1734[17:03:11] <jelly> !qotd0
1735[17:03:12] <dpkg> <HostilePenguin> your smarter
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1744[17:05:33] <rdz> mariadb-server crashes in Debian Buster when doing 'use information_schema' in mysql cli
1745[17:06:09] <rdz> is that something that needs to be reported to Buster maintainers ?
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1747[17:06:29] <dondelelcaro> rdz: please file a bg if there's not already one filed
1748[17:06:34] <dondelelcaro> err, a bug
1749[17:06:41] <rdz> replaced-url
1750[17:06:49] <rdz> dondelelcaro, i'll do so
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1753[17:07:31] <dondelelcaro> rdz: thanks!
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1764[17:13:40] <magic_ninja> what does a usb drive show up as in /dev/
1765[17:13:52] <greycat> sd*
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1769[17:15:36] <trackanddirt> magic_ninja: use sudo fdisk -l
1770[17:15:51] <magic_ninja> it doesn't show up
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1772[17:16:14] <magic_ninja> I unmounted it from whatever handles the automount stuff. Now I need to remount it. I can still see it with lsusb
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1776[17:17:39] <dvs> lsblk?
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1778[17:18:42] <magic_ninja> that doesn't show it either
1779[17:19:05] <magic_ninja> ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/usb* does, though
1780[17:19:34] <magic_ninja> now I need to see how many partitions are on it
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1782[17:20:48] <magic_ninja> So it only shows sdd and no partitions.
1783[17:21:19] <jmcnaught> magic_ninja: what if you unplug it and plug it back in?
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1785[17:21:56] <magic_ninja> still kind of defeats the point of unmounting and remounting a usb disk when I need to change something.
1786[17:22:21] <magic_ninja> Sure, it remounts it, but if something goes wrong with the automount stuff I'm in the same boat.
1787[17:23:35] <magic_ninja> So this is actually strange, and probably part of the problem.
1788[17:24:01] <magic_ninja> The debian installer I copied to a USB shows as unallocated space, however I can mount it and browse files.
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1792[17:25:26] <magic_ninja> I just formated it, though as I already did the install on my laptop.
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1837[18:01:47] <humpled> formatted
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1841[18:02:38] <jelly> welp
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1848[18:03:09] <jelly> upgraded a test system jessie->stretch, now it logs in everyone on console without asking for password
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1886[18:17:36] <Wulf> Hello! How can I upgrade all "experimental" packages that are currently installed?
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1889[18:18:54] <storrgie> wew that sounds like a tall order
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1891[18:19:18] <nkuttler> Wulf: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using experimental
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1895[18:20:28] <jelly> "something", probably my fat finger, disabled pam_auth during upgrade. A rerun of "pam-auth-update" and enabling fixed it.
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1897[18:21:03] <Wulf> nkuttler: well, I could think of some ways. But that would take some development work.
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1900[18:22:09] <jmcnaught> Wulf: packages from experimental seem like the kind of thing one should upgrade manually one by one… also if you're using sid you should be asking on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next
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1903[18:22:37] <Wulf> jmcnaught: right, I keep forgetting about that channel :-)
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1905[18:22:53] <coyote> DAE wine? #wine is invite only on here/join #crossover
1906[18:23:00] <coyote> woops haha
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1908[18:23:15] <jelly> you probably wanted #winehq
1909[18:23:51] <coyotesays> thanks jelly
1910[18:24:22] <jelly> coyotesays, that "invite only" thing happens when you're already in the channel with new name, and you try to join the old name channel with has a redirection to the new name
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1914[18:25:14] <jelly> s/with has/which has/
1915[18:26:46] <coyotesays> i had never joined before
1916[18:26:49] <coyotesays> iirc
1917[18:27:06] <coyotesays> any wine channels
1918[18:27:16] <coyotesays> and today i was only in here
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1921[18:30:20] <Wulf> nkuttler: Btw, please try to be less condescending. Perhaps you're correct and I shouldn't use sid or experimental. But it's my own choice if I break my system and my data and you should just accept it.
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1924[18:31:25] <jelly> Wulf, that's not intended to be condescending really, it's a warning
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1928[18:33:10] <magic_ninja_work> Wulf, why run experimental, out of curiosity? Testing provides a pretty good balance there.
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1932[18:33:54] <jelly> they're not running experimental, as it's not a complete set of packages
1933[18:33:59] <Wulf> magic_ninja_work: to use and test python3.8
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1939[18:36:19] <magic_ninja_work> Wulf, is there no other way to install *just* python 3.8?
1940[18:36:41] <nkuttler> magic_ninja_work: of course, you can e.g. build it
1941[18:36:44] <Wulf> magic_ninja_work: I could compile it myself, sure.
1942[18:36:48] <greycat> ,v python3
1943[18:36:49] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.3-1; sid: 3.7.3-1
1944[18:36:56] <greycat> Is judd out of date...?
1945[18:37:02] <jelly> Wulf, experimental repo's has "NotAutomatic: yes" header but unlike stretch-backports it does NOT have "ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes"
1946[18:37:09] <nkuttler> magic_ninja_work: which also has the benefit of not messing up the package system
1947[18:37:16] <jelly> ,v python3.8
1948[18:37:17] <judd> Package: python3.8 on amd64 -- experimental: 3.8.0~a4-3
1949[18:37:34] <Wulf> jelly: judd is outdated.
1950[18:37:34] <jelly> greycat, no meat-a-package I guess
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1954[18:38:01] <greycat> ,v python3.8
1955[18:38:02] <judd> Package: python3.8 on amd64 -- experimental: 3.8.0~a4-3
1956[18:38:04] <greycat> ok
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1958[18:38:12] <magic_ninja_work> Wulf, well, compiling it yourself and manually maintaining it to use it is MUCH better than running on an experimental system.
1959[18:38:32] <Wulf> magic_ninja_work: I would only install a few packages from experimental, not all of them.
1960[18:38:51] <magic_ninja_work> what are you on right now?
1961[18:39:13] <Wulf> magic_ninja_work: sid. And have been for many years now.
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1963[18:39:45] <jelly> Wulf, I've added experimental repo from my mirror and don't see "python3" available either, but my mirror might be out of date as well
1964[18:40:00] <Wulf> jelly: package is "python3.8"
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1967[18:40:08] <nkuttler> Installed: 3.8.0~b2-1
1968[18:40:10] <greycat> If judd is to be believed, you manually select "python3.8" instead of python3./
1969[18:40:14] <jelly> Wulf, and judd shows that one as available.
1970[18:40:22] <magic_ninja_work> Your best bet is getting a 3.8 package and installing it with dpkg/apt or if you are wanting to test, just compile it yourself. It really isn't that bad. Those middle-of-the-road releases tend to leave your tested packages intact as well.
1971[18:40:41] <Wulf> jelly: in version ~a4 but there is ~b2 as of today
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1973[18:40:49] <jelly> eh, it will get there
1974[18:40:50] <magic_ninja_work> For instance, with libreoffice I use 6.2. It leaves 6.1.5 intact and calls itself libreoffice 6.2 so as not to break anything.
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1976[18:41:01] <jelly> right, there's a 3.8.0~b2-1 now
1977[18:41:10] <magic_ninja_work> then you can test 3.8 and keep the current libs intact.
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1979[18:41:38] <jelly> Wulf, in any case, best ask questions about running sid in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net, not here
1980[18:42:54] <magic_ninja_work> I thought stable was stretch not jessie like in the topics.
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1982[18:43:33] <greycat> jessie is Oldstable, as it says
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2001[18:56:18] <Wulf> Solution was this, btw.:
2002[18:56:20] <Wulf> !not available
2003[18:56:20] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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2009[19:00:12] <jelly> yeah, that's not often useful on stable, only with frankendebian situations and after release upgrades
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2011[19:00:40] <greycat> "after release upgrades" seems pretty reasonable for #debian
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2035[19:13:34] <coyotesays> ugh i can't get help in #winehq. anyone here use wine?
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2037[19:13:44] <dvs> !anyone
2038[19:13:44] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
2039[19:14:09] <coyotesays> i reject that rule
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2041[19:14:19] <greycat> *plonk*
2042[19:14:21] <coyotesays> i am human and i want to know ppl who use what i use
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2044[19:15:06] <EdePopede> if you can wait, i plan to look at it again on buster
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2047[19:16:07] <Wulf> coyotesays: I used wine couple of years ago. Did that answer improve your life?
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2093[19:43:54] <magic_ninja_work> what was that crapping dmesg command
2094[19:44:03] <magic_ninja_work> dmesg -b -perror mabye
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2097[19:45:24] <magic_ninja_work> journalctl -b -perror
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2100[19:46:26] <daemon> hey all how do I get debian to reformat the exim configuration file into ONEFILE
2101[19:46:30] <daemon> instead of all these stupid folders
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2191[20:36:27] <aeria> I'm trying to blacklist nouveau due 156341. I've added blacklist nouveau to /etc/modprobe.d/some.conf. When I reboot I still see nouveau in lsmod. Can someone please confirm (or refute) my suspicion that freedesktop added something that overrides my modprobe.d blacklisting?
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2194[20:37:39] <tachikomas> Hello. Is buster release still happening tomorrow ?
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2198[20:40:25] <LtL> tachikomas: affirmative
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2204[20:41:26] <LtL> aeria: i believe you need to update-initramfs read the man page.
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2206[20:43:56] <diogenes_> tomorrow all youtubers will rush to be the first to come up with a review :))
2207[20:44:33] <greycat> and all Debian users will neither know nor care about any such "youtube reviews"
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2210[20:45:25] <LtL> aeria: i believe the filename should be /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
2211[20:45:32] <annadane> do i or do i not wait for 10.1...
2212[20:45:37] <annadane> meh
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2221[20:48:41] <LtL> annadane: i dist-upgraded days ago, it went well, minus a bump or two and is running fine.
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2227[20:50:20] <aeria> LtL: I've an /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but I think according to man modprobe.d every *.conf should do in that dir. On the other hand /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist without the .conf as suggested, I think that does not work. Just tested echo do not do this >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ; modprobe -c | grep this and no error is shown. When I do this with anything.conf as filename, an error is shown.
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2230[20:51:07] <aeria> LtL: I think I've just updated my initramfs but let me reboot just in case
2231[20:51:19] <aeria> LtL: I forgot if I've already rebooted or not
2232[20:51:35] <aeria> I will be back
2233[20:51:36] <LtL> aeria: type 'last'
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2235[20:52:32] <aeria> LtL: good idea. I haven't rebooted yet. My stat of initrd is newer than my last login in last. thanks. I will be back.
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2259[21:14:05] <arita> LtL: it's me, I've lost my nickname. the reboot worked. woo-hoo! now nouveau is gone. thank you!
2260[21:14:39] <LtL> arita: cool, msg nickserv regain to get your nick back, or ghost possibly
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2271[21:20:54] <arita> LtL: now `lspci` works again. 156341 has it hanging. It's quite nasty not to have lspci, especially when what you do have is a non-working Xorg that cannot be kill -SIGKILLed.
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2275[21:21:36] <arita> (I'm writing this from Xorg, after the blacklist it works.)
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2280[21:22:13] <LtL> great, what driver are you using arita ?
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2287[21:24:08] <arita> LtL: now it uses intel and asus_wmi
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2290[21:24:49] <arita> LtL: this is an optimus laptop with nvidia gp106n and intel "3e9b"
2291[21:25:06] <greycat> And you actually got it working? Congrats.
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2294[21:26:20] <arita> greycat: so far I've blacklisted nouveau and got graphics this way on 4.15
2295[21:26:49] <greycat> fif...teen? is this a non-Debian system, possibly non-x86-family?
2296[21:27:11] <arita> greycat: yeah I've moved away from debian before I realized this was 156341
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2298[21:27:47] <arita> greycat: this was today I need to set this up for CUDA work the day before yesterday
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2300[21:28:46] <arita> greycat: I come to debian because I think the questions I ask can be answered here, and because I like debian better than what I use now
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2305[21:31:23] <arita> greycat: I guess when I got it working on real debian I should get back to you.
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2309[21:32:40] <arita> well I've gotta sell it to people whose question will be why don't I use centos so this is how it is...
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2311[21:32:53] <greycat> Not to me personally. I don't know anything about optimus stuff except that everyone else I've ever seen with an optimus issue in #debian has gone away unhappy.
2312[21:33:23] <arita> greycat: well you can tally one in the happy box then :)
2313[21:34:11] <greycat> If the solution involves using kernel/drivers/libs from outside Debian, that's not great news.
2314[21:34:14] <arita> or is it put a tally into
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2316[21:35:06] <arita> greycat: yeah so not back personally to you then.
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2328[21:42:10] <arita> let me come back later
2329[21:42:15] <arita> thanks for all!
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2414[22:28:19] <magic_ninja_work> Failed to query NVIDIA devices. Please ensure that the NVIDIA device files (/dev/nvidia*) exist, and that user had read and write ...
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2417[22:29:33] <annadane> magic_ninja_work, what did you do to get that message, we need context
2418[22:29:38] <annadane> !asj
2419[22:29:38] <dpkg> asj is probably boren's alter ego
2420[22:29:40] <annadane> !ask
2421[22:29:40] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2423[22:29:50] <magic_ninja_work> it is on system startup
2424[22:30:08] <magic_ninja_work> I'm not sure when/how it started. Fresh install, but I've had issues with drivers since the new install.
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2426[22:30:30] <greycat> I'm guessing "installed something proprietary with nvidia in the name".
2427[22:30:35] <magic_ninja_work> I did install bumblebee from the repos as directed in the debian wikki
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2429[22:31:17] <magic_ninja_work> installed nvidia-driver
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2431[22:31:34] <magic_ninja_work> As directed in the wikki.
2432[22:32:18] <RandomGuyOnIrc> When I plug in my external usb drive into my debian server, type dmesg and lsusb I get: replaced-url
2433[22:32:56] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Is this telling me it is at /dev/usb4?
2434[22:33:06] <RandomGuyOnIrc> if so, how do I mount it?
2435[22:33:38] <magic_ninja_work> RandomGuyOnIrc, see if it is in /media first
2436[22:33:48] <magic_ninja_work> try using sudo fdisk -l
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2438[22:33:58] <magic_ninja_work> see if you can find /dev/usb4 with a mount point
2439[22:34:23] <magic_ninja_work> nevermind. I'm wrong. That usb driver would show up as an sd* device
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2445[22:35:23] <Jerrynicki> hey everyone, i installed git-all and it removed network-manager and my desktop environment (kde) lmao
2446[22:35:32] <Jerrynicki> what are my options to get a working system again?
2447[22:36:39] <greycat> next time when apt* tells you that it wants to remove 17000 packages and the list of them fills your terminal buffer multiple times over, you say NO
2448[22:36:52] <Jerrynicki> yeah, that would've been a good idea
2449[22:36:59] <RandomGuyOnIrc> magic_ninja_work: well it looks like the OS isn't seeing it correctly: replaced-url
2450[22:37:10] <RandomGuyOnIrc> fdisk -l shows nothing
2451[22:37:13] <greycat> that said, I can only guess that you pulled a frankendebian somehow
2452[22:37:26] <RandomGuyOnIrc> nothing for usb drives anyway
2453[22:37:29] <Jerrynicki> i'm thinking of downloading the network-manager .deb package and transferring it to my pc, then reinstalling the removed packages
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2456[22:38:25] <magic_ninja_work> its /dev/sde
2457[22:38:29] <kreyren> looking for xnb converter on debian
2458[22:38:33] <RandomGuyOnIrc> thanks
2459[22:39:00] <magic_ninja_work> try blkid
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2461[22:39:09] <mureena> how about that you save whatever files you can and you reinstall debian
2462[22:39:11] <RandomGuyOnIrc> magic_ninja_work: how did you figure that out?
2463[22:39:58] <Jerrynicki> i thought ablut doing that, but i really don't want to reconfigure everything @mureena
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2466[22:40:12] <magic_ninja_work> mount | grep sde
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2475[22:51:19] <jimster> when I turn enable suspend in the power save settings, the fps on my UI suffers when the machine wakes up. it get progressively worse each time it wakes up. I don't really know how to troubleshoot it. any tips?
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2492[23:06:34] <Battaglin> replaced-url
2493[23:06:37] <Battaglin> :-))))
2494[23:07:41] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I can't seem to mount my external drive now that I found it: replaced-url
2495[23:09:39] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Perhaps this is the answer: replaced-url
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2501[23:14:59] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Well after I run this: ntfsfix /dev/sde1
2502[23:15:19] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I can run this successfully: mount /dev/sde1 /media/usb6
2503[23:15:31] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I have no idea what went wrong with the usb drive
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2505[23:16:06] <RandomGuyOnIrc> Does anyone know what would cause an external usb drive to just stop working, and need fixing with ntfsfix ?
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2507[23:16:29] <mtn> RandomGuyOnIrc: windows had fast startup turned on
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2509[23:18:36] <jelly> RandomGuyOnIrc, not disconnecting it safely
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2512[23:18:59] <RandomGuyOnIrc> thanks guys
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2514[23:19:42] <RandomGuyOnIrc> jelly: to disconnect safely, do I just run sync, then unmount?
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2516[23:20:05] <RandomGuyOnIrc> mtn: hmmmm what is fast startup, and how do I turn it off?
2517[23:20:28] <mtn> RandomGuyOnIrc: replaced-url
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2522[23:21:49] <RandomGuyOnIrc> mtn: thanks
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2524[23:22:34] <RandomGuyOnIrc> brb
2525[23:23:26] <jhutchins> RandomGuyOnIrc: You can also eject /dev/sde1
2526[23:23:45] <jhutchins> That will sync and umount.
2527[23:24:15] <jelly> eject is a literal command, there
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2529[23:24:29] <jhutchins> RandomGuyOnIrc: I would be careful to have copies of anything on that drive you care about.
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2531[23:24:46] <RandomGuyOnIrc> jhutchins: thanks
2532[23:25:24] <RandomGuyOnIrc> jhutchins: I never knew this existed till now: /usr/bin/eject
2533[23:26:53] <jhutchins> Handy. I think it was probably originally for tapes, and when CDs became common it was used for them, and now usb devices.
2534[23:27:46] <jhutchins> Most GUI file managers will have automount (RO by default) and eject functions built in.
2535[23:29:58] <humpled> on old cd drives it can even uneject
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2538[23:31:37] <aljoni> I'm trying to watch Netflix using Chromium. I have the chromium-widevine package installed, but it is still complaining that I don't have the widevine component...
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2546[23:41:03] <terr_> how so qw pull up rhw bootr log. I forget
2547[23:41:21] <terr_> typos. How do we pull up the boot log
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2549[23:41:41] <cybercrypto> terr_: you mean the dmesg info?
2550[23:42:06] <cybercrypto> terr_: maybe you can also check jounalctl for instance
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2552[23:43:42] <cybercrypto> terr_: start with journalctl -b (to present logs from current boot) and go from there.
2553[23:44:06] <cybercrypto> terr_: is that what you want? any specific requirements?
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