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• 5[00:00:43] <roro_> Jerrynicki, replaced-url
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• 12[00:05:39] <Jerrynicki> roro_, what happens if you try to install "python3-dev"?
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• 17[00:07:19] <roro_> Jerrynicki, generate the same errors
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• 19[00:07:24] <roro_> :S
• 20[00:07:33] <Jerrynicki> that's really weird
• 21[00:07:59] <Jerrynicki> i'll be honest, i really don't know what to do from here
• 22[00:08:04] <Jerrynicki> maybe someone else can continue helping you?
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• 24[00:08:20] <Jerrynicki> sorry
• 25[00:08:22] <roro_> I was wondering... could it be the repositories?
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• 27[00:08:58] <somiaj> roro_: what version of debian are you running, also it is best to ensure errors are printed in english for best support
• 28[00:09:01] <somiaj> !localized errors
• 29[00:09:01] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 32[00:09:28] <roro_> somiaj, debian 9
• 33[00:09:31] <somiaj> roro_: could you start by pasting the output of 'LC_ALL=C apt policy'
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• 35[00:10:01] <roro_> what command ?
• 36[00:10:03] <somiaj> roro_: also LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install
• 37[00:10:18] <somiaj> I gave you the command, it was in quote, 'LC_ALL=C apt policy'
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• 39[00:11:19] <roro_> remove too much packages... but persist errors
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• 41[00:11:40] <somiaj> ahh I was hoping it would just regenerate the erros again, also can you proived the outptu of 'LC_ALL apt policy'
• 42[00:11:56] <somiaj> which was the first command I asked for
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• 44[00:12:03] <roylaprattep> hi guys
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• 46[00:12:26] <roylaprattep> i have a postfix warning about using backward compatibilty since stretch upgrade
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• 49[00:13:23] <roylaprattep> and a new main.cf-proto and master.cf-proto config file that appears
• 50[00:13:51] <somiaj> roylaprattep: you should figure out what option/compadability is enabled and remove it. It is only a warning now, but it could be removed when you upgrade to buster
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• 52[00:14:15] <somiaj> I probably would just edit your current config vs using the default one provided by the package (Since I"m assuming you ahve made changes to it already for yoursetup)
• 53[00:14:28] <roylaprattep> no its asking me to enable that option
• 54[00:14:49] <roro_> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 56[00:15:11] <somiaj> roylaprattep: replaced-url
• 57[00:15:16] <somiaj> roylaprattep: I would read that
• 58[00:15:34] <roro_> somiaj, LC_ALL apt policy =>>>> replaced-url
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• 62[00:16:44] <somiaj> roro_: that is not the output of the LC_ALL=C apt policy command
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• 65[00:17:27] <somiaj> roro_: ImportError: No module named 'ConfigParser' -- that is your error, the python scripts are trying to use a package that doens't exist. This might be due to stretch-backports or something else
• 66[00:17:36] <roylaprattep> thx somiaj :)
• 67[00:17:46] <roylaprattep> all the answers to my question!
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• 72[00:19:05] <roylaprattep> im am very amazed by the precision of the dist-upgrade, seriously, hats off to debian team. i only have config problem but thats totally normal cause of new versions.
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• 75[00:19:41] <somiaj> yup, because debian will not override your config files because that could cause even more problems
• 76[00:19:45] <Nic_Wow> Aye, with Stretch applications support buster
• 77[00:20:00] <roro_> somiaj, replaced-url
• 78[00:20:06] <roro_> iḿ sorry
• 79[00:20:06] <somiaj> there are often scripts to help ease this, but not always, often times one needs to do a bit of tweaking
• 80[00:20:19] <Nic_Wow> Some apps have already dropped stretch support. Others aren't yet avalible for Buster.
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• 83[00:21:13] <somiaj> roro_: there is a bug report about this, I just can't seem to find it, and it appears that you might have a mix between stretch and stretch-backports packages causing these to fail.
• 84[00:21:42] <somiaj> Nic_Wow: I don't quite follow you, thrid party apps aren't really supported here, and the apps that come with stretch/buster are still supported
• 85[00:22:50] <roro_> i format my debian linux ?
• 86[00:22:57] <roro_> somiaj,
• 87[00:23:16] <somiaj> roro_: ls /usr/bin/python (tell me where that link points to)
• 88[00:23:18] <roro_> need i format my debian linux?
• 89[00:23:18] <Nic_Wow> I was just curious if Stretch repos can be added to Buster.
• 90[00:23:26] <Nic_Wow> For applications that do not yet support Buster.
• 91[00:23:36] <somiaj> roro_: arg, 'ls -l /usr/bin/python'
• 92[00:23:43] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 93[00:23:43] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 95[00:23:55] <roro_> ls /usr/bin/python
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• 99[00:24:41] <somiaj> Nic_Wow: ^^ in general one should not mix releases, this is very bad practice. (there are exceptions), but if you have an app that you want to run in buster that is not included in buster, you should ask about that specific app to get the best advice on how to use it
• 100[00:24:43] <roro_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 jun 30 21:24 /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python
• 101[00:24:55] <somiaj> roro_: okay, now ls -l /etc/alternatives/python
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• 105[00:25:43] <roro_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 jun 30 21:24 /etc/alternatives/python -> /usr/bin/python3.5
• 106[00:25:53] <Nic_Wow> :thumbs-up:
• 107[00:26:00] <somiaj> roro_: that is your problem. Whoever changed this link broke things.
• 108[00:26:38] <roro_> Iḿ sorry, but i newbie user debian linux
• 109[00:26:44] <somiaj> roro_: on debian, /usr/bin/python must point to python 2 (otherwise things will break). 'ln -fs python2.7 /usr/bin/python' (then ls -l /usr/bin/python and make sure it points to python2.7)
• 110[00:27:12] <somiaj> roro_: you may need to remove the /usr/bin/python link first, 'rm /usr/bin/python' then 'ln -fs python2.7 /usr/bin/python' -- after you do that things should be fixed
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• 113[00:27:36] <somiaj> and if ti wasn't you who changed this link, inform whoever also admins this system that /usr/bin/python must be python2.7 on debian systems
• 114[00:27:43] <somiaj> (use python3 to run python3 apps)
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• 120[00:29:31] <roro_> somiaj, I need to install python3 and pycharm, but it is very difficult for me.
• 121[00:29:31] <roro_> I want to program in Python
• 122[00:29:58] <somiaj> roro_: fix the link, then install python3
• 123[00:30:14] <somiaj> roro_: and to run python3 programs, use python3 (not python) on debian
• 124[00:30:16] <roro_> apt-get install python3 ?
• 125[00:31:04] <somiaj> roro_: it is already installed. Fix the link, 'rm /usr/bin/python' then 'ln -fs python2.7 /usr/bin/python' then apt -f install
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• 127[00:31:08] <somiaj> !es
• 128[00:31:08] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
• 129[00:31:18] <somiaj> roro_: ^^ also you may get better help in spanish
• 130[00:31:29] <roro_> somiaj, yes i fixed the errors
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• 132[00:32:07] <somiaj> good, you should be able to install the python packages you need now and start to program in python
• 133[00:32:39] <somiaj> again if you want to use python3, make sure you run the command as 'python3 myfile.py' or have a #!/usr/bin/python3 as the shebang at the top of the file
• 134[00:33:34] <roro_> :)
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• 137[00:34:25] <roro_> somiaj, can i install pycharm?
• 138[00:35:20] <somiaj> I don't see any debian package by that name, and unsure what it requires.
• 139[00:36:14] <m4ch1n3znc> its not in debian repository replaced-url
• 140[00:36:32] <somiaj> looks like you can install it via a snap, so there are ways, but they are all third party
• 141[00:36:35] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 142[00:36:35] <dpkg> dont break debian is probably replaced-url
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• 144[00:36:50] <somiaj> make sure you read that, useful hints on how to deal with third party software
• 145[00:37:04] <m4ch1n3znc> you can simply extract it to random path and run it from there
• 146[00:37:15] <m4ch1n3znc> there is no need to install
• 147[00:37:33] <somiaj> ahh okay, I just found a page that suggsted using a snap package
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• 149[00:38:49] <roro_> somiaj, m4ch1n3znc : Many thanks to all of you!
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• 151[00:39:07] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 153[00:39:26] <roro_> They saved my life.
• 154[00:39:26] <roro_> How can I repay?
• 155[00:39:40] <somiaj> roro_: ^^ that guide seems sane, download .tar.gz, copy it to /opt, make links in /usr/local/bin
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• 158[00:40:41] <somiaj> roro_: Just support the opensource world. If you feel that you want to support debian, replaced-url
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• 163[00:41:35] <m4ch1n3znc> there is also an instruction in the root of the tar.gz in Install-Linux-tar.txt
• 164[00:41:48] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 167[00:42:34] <roro_> i can help with translations: portuguese and spanish
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• 181[00:51:45] <senecaty> do I need to do anything for changes to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades to take effect?
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• 183[00:53:30] <somiaj> I think you have to do something to make it automatic (turn it in). Read the docs in /usr/share/docs/unatteneded-upgrades
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• 185[00:53:43] <somiaj> I don't think it is edit that file, but I forget.
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• 187[00:55:19] <somiaj> sorry it is /usr/share/doc
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• 189[00:55:25] <somiaj> (not docs)
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• 308[02:29:11] <Synaptic> somiaj,
• 309[02:29:19] <Synaptic> are u here?
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• 312[02:30:56] <Synaptic> i have a debian 10 vps, that im using for practice, any usefull guide, how to learn to do things, but actually i dont know wich kind of things, but like compiling packages, build dependencies... things like that
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• 316[02:36:58] <guest9143> does deb.debian.org support ipv6? im trying to setup an ipv6 only computer.
• 317[02:37:44] <guest9143> apt failed to resolve 'deb.debian.org'
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• 319[02:40:07] <met> host -t AAAA deb.debian.org shows three ipv6 addresses
• 320[02:40:21] <met> replaced-url
• 321[02:40:32] <guest9143> ok. thank you
• 322[02:41:15] <met> check if anything responds on these
• 323[02:42:38] <met> I can't check because I don't have ipv6 here :( but do something like: w3m -6 deb.debian.org
• 324[02:43:16] <guest9143> i think its a DNS problem on my end.
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• 329[02:45:36] <klys> synaptic, tried `info'?
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• 331[02:47:22] <klys> synaptic, also if you want to build a random package, there's the hello package
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• 334[02:48:47] <guest9143> do i use brackets in apt sources? example: deb replaced-url
• 335[02:48:54] <guest9143> for ipv6
• 336[02:49:17] <klys> i doubt it
• 337[02:50:16] <klys> possibly start with 0 though
• 338[02:50:26] <guest9143> a 0?
• 339[02:50:29] <SwedeMike> guest9143: that's the standard way of doing it, so I'd recommend it. Otherwise it might think the : is a port number
• 340[02:50:43] <klys> oh it is?
• 341[02:51:16] <SwedeMike> klys: yes, literal IPv6 addresses in URLs are done with [] around them
• 342[02:51:31] <klys> very interesting. thank you
• 343[02:51:38] <guest9143> i wasnt sure how apt wants them
• 344[02:51:50] <SwedeMike> guest9143: I don't know either, but that's the standard way so that's what I would try.
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• 349[02:52:52] <ytf0rd> FUCKING FOIDS YOU BANNED ME FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN IM NOT CHAD
• 350[02:53:02] <dvs> Alright, how do I get my touchpad to work properly in buster? Whenever I try to drag a window by holding a finger down on the touchpad when using another finger to move the window, the window snaps back to the original position.
• 351[02:53:12] <guest9143> 0% [Connecting to "IPV6-address" (SAME ipv6)]
• 352[02:53:13] <ytf0rd> WHEN THE BETA UPRISING COMES I WONT SAVE YOU FUCKING FOIDS
• 353[02:53:17] <guest9143> apt is stuck at 0
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• 355[02:53:29] <ytf0rd> I HATE WOMEN BECAUSE THEY WONT SLEEP WITH ME
• 356[02:53:32] <ytf0rd> FUCK OFF
• 357[02:53:37] <ytf0rd> DONT BAN ME JANNIE
• 358[02:53:39] <ytf0rd> BEYTA
• 359[02:54:01] <ytf0rd> I BET YOU THINK INCELS ARE ALL EVIL
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• 361[02:54:28] <ytf0rd> FUCK OFF BETAS
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• 363[02:54:42] <ytf0rd> WOMEN ONYL WANT SOYBOYS AND CHADS
• 364[02:54:58] <ytf0rd> IM NOT A SOYBOY I HAVE A 4 and 3/4 inch dick
• 365[02:55:46] <guest9143> apt connection timed out
• 366[02:55:54] <ytf0rd> fuck off i know you can read my comments SOY BOYZ
• 367[02:56:05] <ytf0rd> i HOPE YOU GET AIDS FROM CHAD
• 368[02:56:14] <guest9143> SwedeMike: can i PM you my ipv6 and can you try pinging it?
• 369[02:56:28] <SwedeMike> guest9143: sure!
• 370[02:56:58] <somiaj> Synaptic: best if you pick a project, but /msg dpkg ssb, that should give you enough to say compile a package from buster in testing (for simple packages)
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• 373[02:57:22] <ytf0rd> SOYBOYS WHY ARE YOU NOT RESPONDING TO ME
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• 391[03:04:33] <SwedeMike> I'm imopressed that everybody just ignored him. Greatness!
• 392[03:05:03] <dvs> SwedeMike, you just didn't!
• 393[03:05:08] <dvs> !smite SwedeMike
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• 395[03:05:37] <SwedeMike> only after he was banned.
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• 540[05:25:57] <victorqueiroz> And also executed apt-get update a few times
• 541[05:26:00] <victorqueiroz> But no success!
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• 661[07:11:44] <stockholm> yesterday i installed debian testing with the non-free firmware stuff included, with the gnome desktop on a new notebook.
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• 663[07:12:20] <stockholm> i used a usb network connection for twisted pair network.
• 664[07:12:44] <stockholm> i do have wifi in the house, too.
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• 666[07:13:31] <stockholm> gnome does not show any wifi networks, though. wifi is switched off, and it is not possible to switch in on with gnome GUI
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• 668[07:14:02] <stockholm> if i go to the terminal, and type ip lin show or ip addr show, i do see the wifi interface
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• 670[07:14:10] <somiaj> stockholm: could there be a hardware switch turning it on off (some laptops have that)
• 671[07:14:24] <somiaj> also check the output of 'rfkill' this controls both soft/hard switches by the firmware
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• 673[07:16:36] <stockholm> somia: if ip link show sees the wifi interface, that cant be the issue, right?
• 674[07:18:34] <stockholm> anyway, rfkill says wlan phy0 unblocked unblocked
• 675[07:19:03] <stockholm> i think the issue is with gnome and wifi
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• 677[07:19:28] <alkisg> What's the pci/usb id of the wifi card? Maybe googling that one will reveal why gnome doesn't consider it a wifi card
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• 679[07:19:40] <stockholm> how can i convince the gnome network manager that wifi is there and to configure it?
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• 682[07:22:25] <stockholm> its an intel dual band wireless-AC 3165 Plus Bluetooth (rev 99)
• 683[07:22:31] <alkisg> This isn't the pci id
• 684[07:22:37] <alkisg> It's like: 1234:5678
• 685[07:22:39] <stockholm> true :-)
• 686[07:22:42] <alkisg> (or usb id)
• 687[07:23:57] <stockholm> it is 03:00.0
• 688[07:24:04] <stockholm> is that right?!
• 689[07:24:07] <alkisg> No
• 690[07:24:09] <alkisg> This is the bus
• 691[07:24:19] <alkisg> lsusb => 1234:5678
• 692[07:24:20] <somiaj> stockholm: do you have the wifi card mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 693[07:24:25] <alkisg> something with 8 hex digits
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• 696[07:25:24] <stockholm> somiaj: no, i dont, only auto lo and iface lo is there
• 697[07:25:34] <alkisg> Or if it's pci: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 Wire
• 698[07:26:30] <somiaj> did you check dmesg, 'dmesg | grep firmware' and make sure firmware was loaded correctly. I can't think of anything else, those are standards hardware block, mentioned in interfaces file, or missing firmware.
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• 700[07:26:59] <stockholm> 8086:4210
• 701[07:27:02] <stockholm> yay
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• 703[07:27:52] <stockholm> often, when this happens, other wifi config tools manage to set up the wifi just fine.
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• 710[07:30:30] <stockholm> dang, i cant find the other package
• 711[07:30:40] <stockholm> which did it when gnome failed
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• 713[07:31:23] <stockholm> wicd
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• 717[07:33:39] <stockholm> yes, wicd found the wifi and wants to configure it
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• 719[07:33:47] <stockholm> but i would like to have gnome do it.
• 720[07:33:51] <stockholm> how can i do that?
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• 728[07:36:34] <diogenes_> stockholm, wicd?
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• 730[07:36:57] <stockholm> yes, its an other network manager, outside of gnome.
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• 733[07:37:13] <stockholm> diogenes_: apt-cache show wicd
• 734[07:37:44] <jmcnaught> stockholm: is the switch I drew around on or off? replaced-url
• 735[07:37:48] <diogenes_> but how you end up with wicd?
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• 738[07:38:40] <stockholm> diogenes: i installed it over twisted pair ethernet
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• 743[07:39:49] <diogenes_> and you want network manager now or what?
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• 745[07:39:55] <stockholm> jmcnaught: it is on. but when i look for available networks, it shows nothing
• 746[07:40:09] <stockholm> diogenes_: i would much perfer gnome, yes
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• 748[07:41:08] <diogenes_> stockholm, sudo apt install network-manager network-manager-gnome network-manager-openconnect network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome network-manager-pptp network-manager-vpnc and replace wicd with network manager.
• 749[07:41:16] <stockholm> jmcnaught: and in the window title bar where it says "connected" for you, it says "not available" for me
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• 751[07:41:31] <diogenes_> comment out everything in: /etc/network/interfaces
• 752[07:41:33] <stockholm> diogenes_: it is installed, it just does not work
• 753[07:41:33] <jmcnaught> stockholm: is wicd still running/installed? You could try using nmtui on the command line if you think it's a GNOME issue, also I would look at 'journalctl -u NetworkManager'
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• 755[07:41:48] <stockholm> diogenes_: it is empty, except for loopback
• 756[07:41:52] <diogenes_> untick wicd from startup
• 757[07:42:09] <ralpheeee> need some guidance...installed netiso 9.9 ...in sourcelist changed everything to buster repos...ran apt update && dist-upgrade...rebooted and installed x...now when i startx the display shows with a de but its completely unresponsive....mouse touchpad etc it just freezes...even switching tty does not work only long press power button....any tips pls
• 758[07:42:45] <stockholm> diogenes_: i just installed wicd to see if wifi CAN be alife. :-)
• 759[07:43:13] <diogenes_> sudo systemctl disable wicd sudo systemctl enable NetworkManager
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• 761[07:44:52] <stockholm> network manager is active, otherwise it would not be able to operate the twisted pair usb network
• 762[07:45:04] <stockholm> it has an issue with wifi
• 763[07:45:14] <stockholm> this is a brand new installation
• 764[07:45:21] <stockholm> i didnt fuck it up just yet
• 765[07:45:34] <diogenes_> sudo rfkill list
• 766[07:45:55] <jmcnaught> ralpheeee: do you know how to edit the kernel command line at the GRUB menu? If you append 'systemd.unit=multi-user.target' it will try to boot up into non-graphical mode.
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• 768[07:46:21] <stockholm> diogenes: 3: phy0: Wireless LAN
• 769[07:46:29] <stockholm> Softblocked: no
• 770[07:46:34] <stockholm> Hard blocked: no
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• 772[07:48:01] <ralpheeee> jmcnaught:it boots up fine without graphical environment...in terminal as soon as type startx the whole system freezes when entering the graphical environment
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• 774[07:48:41] <ralpheeee> its an thinkpad x23o (lvm encrypted install)
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• 779[07:51:17] <jmcnaught> ralpheeee: what's in your logs? check /var/log/syslog for messages from when the previous boot froze up. Also look for Xorg's logs in /var/log and ~/.local/share/xorg
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• 790[07:58:39] <jmcnaught> ralpheeee: if you make the journal persistent ('mkdir /var/log/journal') then you can run a command like this to see the last 20 log lines from all the previous boots: for boot in $(journalctl --list-boots | awk '{print $2;}'); do journalctl --boot $boot --lines 20; done | less
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• 797[08:01:50] <ralpheeee> jmcnaught: initially had xserver-xorg-core....now just installed xserver-xorg...working o/
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• 848[08:32:43] <maxcell_> I'm on a fresh install of Debian testing and Spotify can't play music (either .deb and flatpak). It plays some musics but doesn't play others.
• 849[08:33:42] <maxcell_> I did a little research and seems to be a codec problem. I had "ffmpeg" and "libavcodec58" installed. Tried libavcodec58-extra also but no luck.
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• 855[08:36:02] <vlt> maxcell_: "Some but not others" might as well be DRM related. But that's just a wild guess.
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• 857[08:36:48] <diogenes_> maxcell_, try gstreamer too.
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• 873[08:43:55] <maxcell_> vlt, i'm using spotify app not web version
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• 875[08:44:11] <maxcell_> diogenes_, spotify app are compatible with gstreamer?
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• 882[08:48:55] <maxcell_> They got same problem as me here: replaced-url
• 883[08:49:28] <maxcell_> also Debian 16/06/2019
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• 913[09:13:06] <jim> just so you all know... I'm suggesting to maxcell_ that he put dmesg in a "tail -f" mode, and then try to play stuff, and see if he gets stuff from the log
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• 915[09:13:47] <maxcell_> jim, yeah
• 916[09:14:00] <maxcell_> how is the command? dmesg |tail -f ?
• 917[09:14:21] <alkisg> journalctl -f or dmesg -w
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• 919[09:14:44] <jim> normally, I would think so... but I don't think it works like that (try alkisg's way)
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• 921[09:15:16] <maxcell_> its definitly printing things with alkisg command
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• 923[09:15:33] <jim> ok, try to play things
• 924[09:15:52] <jim> leave the log thing going
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• 928[09:17:53] <maxcell_> the log is outputing a lot of evbug: in yellow color
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• 930[09:18:37] <maxcell_> but i don't think it has something to do with spotify
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• 933[09:20:23] <maxcell_> everytime i move my mouse or type it prints an evbug :D
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• 935[09:21:37] <maxcell_> and spotify stop bugging out of nowhere
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• 939[09:22:46] <maxcell_> only few hiccups here and there
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• 946[09:27:03] <maxcell_> interating, if the music aren't in Cache it buggs like crazy and skips the song or just frozen on the first seconds
• 947[09:27:10] <maxcell_> no outputs on dmesg
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• 949[09:27:16] <maxcell_> jim
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• 951[09:31:01] <tachikomas> Hello, what is the best way when you want to make a debian package, to handle the .service file from systemd. Should i use postinstall to make a symlink ? is there any documentation ?
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• 962[09:35:07] <jim> maxcell_, hmm, maybe tail -f /var/log/messages? or some other file in /var/log? figure out which logs are growing, then see what they say
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• 970[09:40:42] <maxcell_> jim, journalctl wast reading all the logs at once?
• 971[09:40:47] <maxcell_> wasn't
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• 973[09:41:35] <jim> tachikomas, if you don't find out here, then you can find the #packaging channel there
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• 975[09:41:53] <tachikomas> jim: is this channel a specific for debian?
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• 977[09:42:01] <jim> not sure
• 978[09:42:21] <jim> I only first joined a few seconds ago, to make sure the channel name
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• 1023[10:14:54] <Lyberta> is there a difference between /var/run/user/1000/pulse/socket and /run/user/1000/pulse/native ?
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• 1032[10:19:25] <blackflow> Lyberta: /var/run symlinks to /run so you're asking if there's a diff between /run/usr/1000/pulse/native and pulse/socket ?
• 1033[10:19:59] <Lyberta> blackflow, oh, I didn't know about symlink
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• 1035[10:20:29] <Lyberta> blackflow, I guess yes
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• 1037[10:21:13] <Lyberta> oh, I don't have a socket there
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• 1041[10:21:50] <blackflow> yeah, just native and pid
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• 1044[10:22:23] <Lyberta> then "socket" was something old
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• 1071[10:44:53] <touki> hi
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• 1074[10:45:57] <touki> I have a problem with suspension. Whenever my stable debian suspends (closing the lid, or asking for suspension), it keeps waking up, causing the computer to heat.
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• 1077[10:48:35] <laughingtiger> hi I see the buster still has the network speed problem. same as usual. download speed isn't half fast as in stretch.
• 1078[10:49:07] <laughingtiger> is there a fix around for this particular problem?
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• 1085[10:50:55] <laughingtiger> and btw, when I install stretch about 1 hour ago, I deleted all the previous partition, then during the install there were net mirrors problems, and after the install, the sources.list file was all commented out, don't know how that happened. the only explaination I can think of is I met some supernatural phenomono.
• 1086[10:51:26] <laughingtiger> I mean phenomenon
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• 1088[10:51:58] <vlt> laughingtiger: Can you elaborate? What is the "network speed problem"?
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• 1090[10:52:49] <laughingtiger> vlt, well download speed to be exact.
• 1091[10:52:52] <laughingtiger> it's slow.
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• 1094[10:53:48] <laughingtiger> it was fast on stretch.
• 1095[10:54:18] <vlt> laughingtiger: What does download speed mean? Any ethernet packet? Only IP packets?Only HTTP? ...?
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• 1097[10:54:40] <laughingtiger> I've met this problem a long time ago when I used buster for the first time, had to switch back to stretch. and now it's still a problem.
• 1098[10:55:18] <laughingtiger> vlt, speedtest.net tells me that.
• 1099[10:55:58] <vlt> laughingtiger: Can you try a netcat transfer withon your network, please?
• 1100[10:56:06] <vlt> *within
• 1101[10:56:07] <laughingtiger> and the torrent download speed is slow just like the site suggested.
• 1102[10:56:19] <laughingtiger> vlt, and how to do that?
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• 1104[10:58:47] <laughingtiger> I know I'm stupid and I like to complain a lot like last time I complained windows to be stupid, turned out windows was innocent, it was I that didn't figure out the solution. but this problem is not on me. I probably sure about that.
• 1105[10:59:11] <vlt> laughingtiger: Send a sufficiently large piece of data (a huge file or just /dev/zero) via netcat from machine A to B and measure the time manually or use something like pv or even iperf to measure for you.
• 1106[10:59:30] <laughingtiger> vlt, I only have one machine.
• 1107[11:00:02] <vlt> hmmm
• 1108[11:00:03] <laughingtiger> vlt, is there a downgrade command?
• 1109[11:00:23] <vlt> laughingtiger: Downgrade what?
• 1110[11:00:40] <laughingtiger> I want to just downgrade to stretch
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• 1113[11:01:30] <laughingtiger> it seems this problem only affects me only.
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• 1115[11:02:00] <vlt> laughingtiger: I, personally, would just restore to the last working state.
• 1116[11:03:12] <laughingtiger> vlt, I'll do that. thank you.
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• 1126[11:06:18] <laughingtiger> I meant it seems to affect me only.
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• 1187[11:52:29] <bs0d> Hi all
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• 1189[11:53:29] <bs0d> I noticed that the sound settings is gone in buster, which previously existed in stretch. The sound settings allowed to select audio input source, tune volume levels and microphone sensitivity. How can I do that in buster?
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• 1195[11:55:25] <dreamer> alsamixer?
• 1196[11:56:30] <at0m> pavucontrol and -qt
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• 1198[11:56:57] <at0m> dreamer: word is we shouldn't use alsamixer anymore :s
• 1199[11:57:01] <dreamer> why?
• 1200[11:57:17] <dreamer> I wouldn't know what else to use :P
• 1201[11:57:52] <at0m> dreamer: idk. assuming all is done in pulseaudio nowadays. but yea some low-level stuff i don't see in PA :/
• 1202[11:58:06] <dreamer> I don't run pulseaudio except on my n900
• 1203[11:58:51] <dreamer> (not my choice :P)
• 1204[11:58:59] <at0m> dreamer: it's the default now, so most users will use pulseaudio
• 1205[11:59:02] <dreamer> (the n900 bit. maybe in maemo-leste they removed it?)
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• 1207[11:59:17] <dreamer> k. can't bother to remember what is 'default' these days
• 1208[11:59:25] <at0m> bs0d: also paprefs, pasystray
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• 1210[11:59:39] <dreamer> alsamixer should still work though :P
• 1211[11:59:41] <at0m> dreamer: it's what people use that this channel supports
• 1212[11:59:52] <at0m> ikr
• 1213[11:59:55] <dreamer> at0m: well, I use alsa. so we also support it? :)
• 1214[12:00:07] <at0m> i guess =)
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• 1217[12:00:17] <at0m> dreamer: sure it's not jack? ;p
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• 1221[12:00:38] <dreamer> I use jack with my external interface. internal card is plain alsa
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• 1223[12:00:46] <bs0d> I followed the pulseaudio manual, installed pavucontrol and now I get some sort of a mixer. But gnome sound settings panel is gone for good. I was used to it. Can I get it back?
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• 1225[12:01:11] <dreamer> (actually nice to be able to use both at the same time. have my "pro audio stuff" at the same time as "whatever application I'm using outside of that")
• 1226[12:02:11] <dreamer> is that part of 'gnome-control-center' ?
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• 1229[12:03:47] <bs0d> dreamer I think it was part of gnome indeed. I typed Sound and saw Sound Settings (GNOME app) in the menu. But now after upgrade to buster I cannot see it any more
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• 1238[12:06:46] <bs0d> maybe GNOME 3 does not contain this program any more? hmm
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• 1240[12:07:04] <bs0d> pulseaudio is fine, but needs get used to
• 1241[12:07:14] <dreamer> *pffrt*
• 1242[12:07:26] <dreamer> sorry, I choked a little :#
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• 1246[12:09:42] <bs0d> dreamer, I am a relatively new linux user. I use linux as long as it works out of the box, but what comes to configuration or reconfiguring I am a complete newb here.
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• 1249[12:12:12] <dreamer> :)
• 1250[12:12:15] <dreamer> it's ok, you'll learn
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• 1258[12:21:29] <Willi-Smith> Hi, how can I in general find out which application catches specific keybinding. In debian buster lxde in which config is xf86sleep defined?
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• 1280[12:33:08] <mohammad-ghasemi> Hello, I installed debian without setting password for the root user. Now I can't login to root. What can I do?
• 1281[12:33:13] <mohammad-ghasemi> Thank you!
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• 1283[12:34:44] <a0z> mohammad-ghasemi: use sudo
• 1284[12:34:55] <blackflow> sudo is not set up by default.
• 1285[12:35:13] <blackflow> mohammad-ghasemi: did you try just pressing enter (empty password) on login? I don't know if no root pass locks down the root account...
• 1286[12:35:38] <mohammad-ghasemi> blackflow, no it didn't work
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• 1288[12:36:53] <mohammad-ghasemi> a0z, does it do everything the root can do?
• 1289[12:37:12] <a0z> if you use "sudo -i" it does
• 1290[12:37:40] <mohammad-ghasemi> a0z, thank you!
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• 1296[12:38:52] <tarzeau> mohammad-ghasemi: boot with the linux kernel option: init=/bin/bash, then use passwd
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• 1298[12:39:54] <mohammad-ghasemi> tarzeau, thank you1
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• 1351[13:20:36] <quazgar> Hi, how can I find out if a package is from main, contrib, non-free, ...? I searched the web extensively but could not find a hint.
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• 1355[13:23:33] <abrotman> quazgar: did you look at the package description?
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• 1357[13:24:40] <tarzeau> yeah apt-cache show pkg |grep ^Section shows, if nothing with / it's main, otherwise it says non-free or contrib
• 1358[13:24:47] <vlt> quazgar: I usually look at the he APT-Sources line of `apt show <pkg>`.
• 1359[13:24:59] <vlt> -he
• 1360[13:25:10] <abrotman> or filename .. or a bunch of ways
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• 1375[13:38:18] <quazgar> abrotman: ah, I just did not know that main did not write main anywhere, but was one level above the "sub archives".
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• 1384[13:44:33] <abrotman> quazgar: I mean, it does .. but maybe not in an obvious place :)
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• 1386[13:46:51] <quazgar> Then I had a bad example, apt-cache show docker-ce does not have an APT-Sources line here..
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• 1392[13:48:32] <abrotman> quazgar: I don't see that package in Buster?
• 1393[13:48:44] <themill> that would be why it doesn't have a sources line
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• 1395[13:48:59] <abrotman> or doesn't live up to our hypercritical standards :)
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• 1398[13:49:24] <themill> But yes, "section" is used for this.
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• 1425[14:06:36] <quazgar> Ah, it's from a third-party repo. So my fault by recursion.
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• 1448[14:29:12] <NetTerminalGene> where do maintainers hide their key for signing?
• 1449[14:30:09] <babilen> In the keyring
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• 1456[14:36:15] <tw> that's where I hide mine. right next to my house key and my car key.
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• 1459[14:36:26] <tw> (I am not a debian maintainer though)
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• 1487[14:57:41] <touki> I am trying to expand my swap LVM with lvresize (+2G), but it gets me an "Insufficient Free Space" message, which seems a bit off, for I have 20G available. Any ideas where it comes from?
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• 1490[14:58:03] <darxmurf> which command do you type ?
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• 1494[14:58:37] <touki> darxmurf: "lvresize /dev/touki-vg/swap_1 -L +2G"
• 1495[14:58:47] <greycat> Specifically, what command told you that you have 20 GB of unallocated space in the volume group, and what exactly does it say?
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• 1497[14:59:06] <greycat> (Note, space in the VG is different from space in a file system, so if you're using df, that's the wrong command for this.)
• 1498[14:59:11] <darxmurf> lvextend -L+2G -r /dev/touki-vg/swap_1
• 1499[14:59:20] <touki> greycat: "df -h"
• 1500[14:59:26] <greycat> thought so
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• 1503[15:00:01] <greycat> You might want to start with the "vgs" command which gives a terse summary.
• 1504[15:00:11] <greycat> For more detail, try "vgdisplay".
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• 1506[15:00:20] <touki> greycat: indeed, vgs says 0 free.
• 1507[15:00:31] <touki> greycat: or "Vfree"
• 1508[15:00:53] <touki> darxmurf: thanks for the tip, but it does not change.
• 1509[15:01:08] <greycat> Yeah. To increase the size of an LV, you need unallocated space in the Volume Group. It won't steal space from a different LV.
• 1510[15:01:51] <touki> greycat: OK, so I should first create an unallocated LV.
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• 1514[15:03:16] <touki> greycat: sorry, it was a question? do you have any links to do so (or actually, any good documentation on LVM, I never looked much into that)
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• 1516[15:04:04] <greycat> If you want to rearrange space in this volume group, you will need to shrink one of your existing LVs (which also means shrinking whatever is inside that LV, typically a file system).
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• 1518[15:04:36] <touki> greycat: yes. that's fine. the file system is where the free space is.
• 1519[15:05:15] <greycat> "the file system" makes it sound like you only have one, which means it's probably your root file system, which means shrinking it is going to be tricky
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• 1523[15:06:11] <greycat> Depending on what your ultimate goal is here, maybe you could live with just creating a swap file, instead of a swap LV.
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• 1525[15:06:32] <touki> greycat: indeed, I only have 1 PV and 2 LV (file system and swap)
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• 1527[15:07:18] <touki> greycat: I have a sleeping / hibernation problem, which seems to be due to the insufficient size of the swap LV.
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• 1530[15:07:56] <touki> touki: I followed debian default settings, but I am obviously a bit short.
• 1531[15:07:57] <greycat> Hmm. What kind of file system is your root?
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• 1534[15:08:17] <greycat> The debian installer does some dumb things by default, sadly.
• 1535[15:08:30] <greycat> Totally using up all the space in an LVM layout is one of them.
• 1536[15:08:42] <touki> greycat: ext4, I believe, I check.
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• 1538[15:09:01] <jmcnaught> The buster installer asks how much free space you want to leave on the volume group.
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• 1541[15:09:10] <touki> greycat: ext2.
• 1542[15:09:34] <touki> greycat: sorry, lvm pv.
• 1543[15:09:38] <touki> greycat: sorry, lvm2 pv.
• 1544[15:10:02] <greycat> touki: the file system type should be in the /etc/fstab file, or in the output of "mount" with no arguments
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• 1546[15:10:23] <darxmurf> or df -T
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• 1548[15:10:45] <greycat> oh, nifty
• 1549[15:11:07] <darxmurf> :D
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• 1551[15:11:34] <touki> ext4 with lvm2.
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• 1554[15:12:17] <darxmurf> you can shrink ext4 but it takes a bit of time
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• 1561[15:14:09] <touki> darxmurf: I only have 150 giga, so I guess it should not be too long.
• 1562[15:14:28] <touki> darxmurf: any risks? should I imperatively backup before?
• 1563[15:14:31] <darxmurf> and I would say you will have to do that offline from a live CD
• 1564[15:14:34] <darxmurf> yes
• 1565[15:14:35] <greycat> You should absolutely back up first.
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• 1567[15:14:57] <darxmurf> I would say you should anyway have backups of your machine :D
• 1568[15:14:58] <greycat> After that, the main issue is that the file system has to be unmounted, which means you need to boot from something else (CD, DVD, USB, second hard drive...).
• 1569[15:15:39] <touki> I'll just reinstall the whole thing then I guess. Maybe do a cleaner install. Any link for that?
• 1570[15:15:51] <darxmurf> or if you have another hard disk, just prepare your partition table as you want on the new one, rsync your system in there and swap the disks
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• 1573[15:16:59] <greycat> *if* you choose to reinstall, the main thing with Debian LVM is to take control of it during the installation -- don't just take the defaults
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• 1575[15:17:32] <touki> greycat: I'll do. But then I need to understand a bit better what should be done.
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• 1577[15:17:41] <greycat> Make sure a chunk of the volume group remains untouched, so you can assign it however you see fit in the future. That's the whole point of LVM, which the Debian installer misses.
• 1578[15:18:02] <darxmurf> touki, what's your hard disk/volume size in total? And in the end, why LVM?
• 1579[15:18:28] <touki> darxmurf: 120G.
• 1580[15:18:43] <jmcnaught> touki: if you reinstall I would install buster because it gets released in a few days, and its installer asks you about leaving free space on the LVM volume group
• 1581[15:19:00] <touki> jmcnaught: OK.
• 1582[15:19:08] <touki> darxmurf: maybe LVM is not needed, indee.
• 1583[15:19:23] <greycat> I haven't looked at the buster installer yet. That's good news.
• 1584[15:19:39] <darxmurf> it's interesting to try but for me, it's not really usefull for small volumes and system installation
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• 1600[15:27:19] <karlpinc> I find LVM very handy when it comes time to allocate additional disk.
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• 1602[15:27:48] <karlpinc> It is also nice for migrating to new drives because the system can keep running while you move data.
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• 1631[15:45:03] <storrgie> changes rolling out to deb.debian.org? I'm seeing errors as I'm mucking with systems. Loooks like the mirror may be changing over for the new release?
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• 1634[15:45:20] <themill> no
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• 1636[15:45:55] <greycat> No such errors here, so far.
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• 1649[15:51:45] <storrgie> "Invalid release buster (not found in mirror)"
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• 1655[15:54:19] <storrgie> trying to do an lxc-create `lxc-create -n mumble -t debian -- -r buster`
• 1656[15:54:26] <Tenkawa> hmm i wonder which mirror.. working great here
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• 1660[15:55:31] <jasonwc> I saw there was a call for testers of the new live and installation media for Buster. I'm unable to boot with the latest 7-1 weekly live amd64 ISO. It begins the boot process and then shows a corrupted image on screen. I had similar behavior with the 6/25 ISO but it showed ACPI_BIOS errors on the final screen.
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• 1663[15:56:00] <jasonwc> Interestingly, I can run the live ISO in a KVM/QEMU VM on the same system without issue. The system is also currently running Buster.
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• 1666[15:56:26] <greycat> Probably worth reporting to the d-i people.
• 1667[15:56:28] <greycat> !d-i
• 1668[15:56:28] <dpkg> Information about the development of the debian-installer is at the developers page replaced-url
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• 1682[16:01:34] <Tenkawa> storrgie: yeah I just created a container using that syntax successfully
• 1683[16:01:59] <Tenkawa> so it must be the mirror
• 1684[16:03:07] <themill> s/must/must not/
• 1685[16:03:45] <Tenkawa> themill: why not? his errors mine doesnt
• 1686[16:04:05] <themill> and yet it's the same mirror
• 1687[16:04:13] <Tenkawa> no
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• 1689[16:04:53] <Tenkawa> you dont know what sources.list I test against
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• 1691[16:05:03] <Tenkawa> I didnt see his
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• 1695[16:06:47] <themill> Tenkawa: it doesn't use your sources.list, it uses the template
• 1696[16:06:47] <Tenkawa> i would to need to match that to hid to replicate that rule it out
• 1697[16:07:15] <Tenkawa> how does it know where to look for packages?
• 1698[16:07:26] <themill> that's in the template
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• 1711[16:11:20] <jasonwc> greycat, I'm unable to join the #debian-live channel on OFTC as it says my account must be verified (I registered my nickname and identified myself). What would be the best place to report this issue - the debian-live ML?
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• 1713[16:11:45] <trackanddirt> did you follow the confirmation command?
• 1714[16:12:00] <jasonwc> trackanddirt, Yeah, it asked me to login on their site, and I did so
• 1715[16:12:13] <themill> storrgie: apparently cloudfare are having issues and that is one of the CDNs that sits on deb.debian.org. That may be the issue
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• 1717[16:12:44] <trackanddirt> may be not the issue but did you do a /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER
• 1718[16:12:54] <Megaf> oh now, Debian is using that rubbish too?
• 1719[16:12:59] <Megaf> oh no!*
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• 1721[16:13:16] <themill> Megaf: if you chose to
• 1722[16:13:20] <jasonwc> trackanddirt, Ah, after logging in, you then have to go to the account page and click a button to verify yourself as a human.
• 1723[16:13:30] <trackanddirt> ok
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• 1814[17:15:59] <ctcx> If I installed Debian from DVD with UEFI, but secure boot disabled, then enable secure boot back, could Debian (in hard disk) still boot without problem?
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• 1817[17:18:27] <colo-work> Debian Stretch: no. Debian Buster: maybe.
• 1818[17:18:47] <jmcnaught> ctcx: secureboot won't work in stretch, it's a new feature in buster. There is this page that contains instructions for enabling secureboot on an existing buster system, but I haven't tried it yet myself: replaced-url
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• 1822[17:22:34] <ctcx> jmcnaught: wait, does it mean secure boot actually has never worked on Debian, until recently with Buster?
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• 1825[17:24:26] <jmcnaught> ctcx: new in buster: replaced-url
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• 1896[18:02:06] <spackle21> can anyone help me make sense of this? replaced-url
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• 1899[18:04:26] <trackanddirt> I can't view that link lol
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• 1905[18:06:34] <netcrash> Anyone here has an idea if CNAME works with SSL - I can't remember how this works
• 1906[18:07:15] <netcrash> HOST ASKS FOR domain.com a CNAME exists and the host get's the ip for that CNAME, right?
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• 1908[18:07:45] <blackflow> yes, the request itself at that IP does not change "host"
• 1909[18:07:52] <blackflow> ie. CNAME has nothign to do with TLS
• 1910[18:08:22] <netcrash> but will fail when connecting to the host if the host does not have a certificate for the first request ( not the CNAME )?
• 1911[18:08:35] <spackle21> trackanddirt: no?
• 1912[18:08:37] <spackle21> :/
• 1913[18:08:46] <trackanddirt> CNAME will "break" the SSL unless the CNAME is also covered
• 1914[18:08:53] <blackflow> netcrash: the HTTP request does not change
• 1915[18:09:17] <blackflow> CNAME is not a HTTP 3xx redirect. CNAME is purely DNS level delegation
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• 1917[18:09:30] <netcrash> yes, I was confusing
• 1918[18:10:09] <greycat> As far as HTTPS is concerned, it doesn't matter whether your DNS entries are A records, or CNAME records. The name in the Host: field in the HTTP request headers is whatever the browser requested.
• 1919[18:10:21] <kion> How can I get Evince to zoom more, I remember in the past tweaking some memory variable...
• 1920[18:10:28] <blackflow> if you request example.com/foo and example.com is CNAME for herpderp.com, the HTTP client (for example) will not make a request against herpderp.com/foo .
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• 1935[18:25:01] <roylaprattep> debian-prlsvr postfix/smtps/smtpd[8523]: warning: hostname XXX does not resolve to address 192.168.1.1
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• 1937[18:25:07] <roylaprattep> since strecth upgrade
• 1938[18:25:14] <roylaprattep> someone knows hwy?
• 1939[18:25:17] <roylaprattep> why
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• 1941[18:25:37] <roylaprattep> XXX = my fqdn
• 1942[18:25:45] <somiaj> roylaprattep: what address does hostname XXX resolve to?
• 1943[18:25:52] <somiaj> roylaprattep: does this resolve to your outside address?
• 1944[18:26:09] <roylaprattep> nope
• 1945[18:26:17] <roylaprattep> it resolve to 192.168.1.1
• 1946[18:26:21] <roylaprattep> thats why its weird
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• 1948[18:26:49] <somiaj> when you type 'ping hostname' you get 192.168.1.1 (that seems like a strange address fora fqdn to resolve too, since it is an internal address)
• 1949[18:26:52] <roylaprattep> my bind9 zone is ok
• 1950[18:27:10] <roylaprattep> its my local fqdn
• 1951[18:27:27] <roylaprattep> it resolve to my hostname -f answer
• 1952[18:27:28] <greycat> ping will do a regular gethostbyname() type lookup, whereas an MTA might explicitly use DNS only (I don't know postfix)
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• 1954[18:27:49] <netcrash> #postfix
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• 1956[18:28:07] <roylaprattep> oh
• 1957[18:28:11] <Tenkawa> I think mail rfc only uses dns
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• 1959[18:28:20] <roylaprattep> it ping to 127.0.0.1
• 1960[18:28:30] <roylaprattep> need to add entry to hosts then?
• 1961[18:28:30] <Tenkawa> but dont quote me
• 1962[18:28:32] <somiaj> this might be because of what you have in your /etc/hosts file
• 1963[18:28:49] <roylaprattep> somiaj: thats what i tought, thx!
• 1964[18:28:51] <greycat> yes, it sounds like you have too *much* in /etc/hosts, not too little
• 1965[18:29:02] <somiaj> you only need localhost to be 127.0.0.1, you don't need to have your other name go there. If using a dns, you dont' need to have that in your /etc/hosts file at all
• 1966[18:29:10] <roylaprattep> greycat: never touched that hosts file
• 1967[18:29:19] <roylaprattep> its by default since i installed debian...
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• 1969[18:29:41] <greycat> Debian default is to put your local hostname on a line that has 127.0.1.1 *not* 127.0.0.1
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• 1971[18:30:02] <roylaprattep> greycat: 127.0.0.1 is there and its not me that added this
• 1972[18:30:04] <roylaprattep> so i remove it?
• 1973[18:30:07] <somiaj> either way, I would just go fix it vs worry about how it got setup that way.
• 1974[18:30:23] <somiaj> you do not want to remove 127.0.0.1 from /etc/hosts, you want it to point to 'localhost' at a minimium
• 1975[18:30:31] <somiaj> you just want to remove your domain name from there
• 1976[18:30:44] <greycat> 127.0.0.1 localhost
• 1977[18:30:44] <greycat> 127.0.1.1 wooledg.eeg.ccf.org wooledg
• 1978[18:30:50] <greycat> Mine, as an example.
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• 1980[18:31:53] <roylaprattep> 127.0.0.1 localhost
• 1981[18:31:53] <roylaprattep> 127.0.1.1 debian-prlsvr.linuxme.ca debian-prlsvr
• 1982[18:31:55] <roylaprattep> thats mine
• 1983[18:32:06] <greycat> OK. That looks fine.
• 1984[18:32:25] <roylaprattep> then why postfix complaining
• 1985[18:32:45] <roylaprattep> do i add 192.168.1.1 hostname.tld.com hostname
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• 1988[18:33:07] <somiaj> you still don't want your name resolving to 127.0.1.1 if you really want it to be 192.168.1.1
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• 1990[18:33:20] <greycat> Mail probably doesn't use /etc/hosts anyway.
• 1991[18:33:55] <somiaj> yea unsure, but something is causing it to resolve to the wrong ip via postfix
• 1992[18:34:09] <roylaprattep> i add it just to test
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• 1994[18:34:18] <roylaprattep> postfix stop complaining when added
• 1995[18:34:23] <roylaprattep> the 192.168 line...
• 1996[18:34:26] <greycat> Again, I don't know postfix, but it *looks like* someone connected to you from 192.168.1.1 and your DNS has a PTR record saying "192.168.1.1 is XXX" but does not have an A record saying "XXX is 192.168.1.1".
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• 1998[18:34:58] <roylaprattep> greycat: yes it does, my local dns is configured correctly.
• 1999[18:35:08] <roylaprattep> i am using bind
• 2000[18:35:24] <roylaprattep> all was working correctly in jessie....
• 2001[18:35:31] <roylaprattep> stretch messed it up
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• 2005[18:36:16] <greycat> hmmm, this person claims a change to /etc/hosts made the error go away, so that implies postfix uses /etc/hosts at least in some ways
• 2006[18:36:19] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2007[18:37:06] <roylaprattep> page not working
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• 2012[18:38:04] <greycat> well then, google the error message yourself and find results that are not blocked for you *shrug*
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• 2026[18:43:34] <ha3mak> 6
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• 2028[18:44:23] <f8e3> on python 3 install via anaconde, how to default the python -V to 3.X without '$conda activate' ?
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• 2030[18:45:35] <somiaj> f8e3: what is anaconde? And on debian systems you do not want to default python to 3.X, on debian systems /usr/bin/python (or the default python) must point ot python2
• 2031[18:45:52] <greycat> and you run Python 3.x by using the python3 command.
• 2032[18:46:27] <somiaj> also you don't want to change the default python3 supplied by debian, install different versions of python in a pyev
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• 2034[18:47:08] <f8e3> aye python3 dinnt know, anaconde i meant; ok
• 2035[18:47:24] <somiaj> !anaconde
• 2036[18:47:29] <f8e3> q
• 2037[18:47:37] <f8e3> !anaconda
• 2038[18:47:37] <dpkg> hmm... anaconda is the installation program used by Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Fedora and some other distributions (e.g. <Progeny>). replaced-url
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• 2040[18:48:16] <f8e3> nah, that: replaced-url
• 2041[18:48:18] <somiaj> hmm, not something I would use on debian
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• 2043[18:48:57] <somiaj> If you want python packages that are not included in debian or to install via pip, do this all in a python virtualenviroment or a pyev
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• 2045[18:50:51] <f8e3> yes thats recommended
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• 2050[18:55:33] <roylaprattep> greycat: its new from stretch cause with jessie it wasnt... my hosts has always been like that
• 2051[18:56:08] <greycat> perhaps one of those "use native hostname resolution" things in the page that I linked to changed in stretch's postfix configs. I dunno.
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• 2053[18:57:04] <somiaj> you would have to read the changelog in the versions between the two to verify this, though I wouldn't worry about the why, just now you know and fixed it
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• 2088[19:29:45] <Terrell> where do I find Debian offline?
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• 2090[19:30:18] <nkuttler> Terrell: what do you mean?
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• 2093[19:30:50] <Terrell> offtopic. I found the channel. Thanks
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• 2114[19:42:35] <tux1212> hello, i've read ubuntu 32bit will not be supported anymore in the future, so i need to know if it will be about all distros, therefore is a kernel limit, or only ubuntu?
• 2115[19:42:52] <greycat> Only Ubuntu.
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• 2117[19:43:07] <tux1212> need an alternative
• 2118[19:43:20] <jmcnaught> how about Debian?
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• 2121[19:45:21] <tux1212> need a well supported distro with a wide community and frequently security updates like ubuntu
• 2122[19:45:38] <tux1212> any advice?
• 2123[19:45:47] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2124[19:45:54] <greycat> Troll.
• 2125[19:45:57] <Tenkawa> tux1212: debian has been around longer than Ubuntu
• 2126[19:46:08] <tux1212> greycat troll me?
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• 2130[19:46:56] <karlpinc> tux1212: This is #debian. What do you think we'll recommend? If you have specific questions then ask.
• 2131[19:46:58] <tux1212> tenkawa i know ubuntu is debian based but receive updates like ubuntu? is supported like it?
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• 2134[19:47:25] <greycat> He probably came here because they banned him from #ubuntu after similar trolling there.
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• 2136[19:47:58] <Tenkawa> I'm trying to interpret that question still
• 2137[19:47:59] <karlpinc> tux1212: Yes. Debian has a security team, which I believe works with the Ubuntu team as well, to release fixes when security problems arise.
• 2138[19:48:02] <tux1212> think wat you want and don't annoy me
• 2139[19:48:16] <tux1212> greycat
• 2140[19:48:28] <Tenkawa> tux1212: please just ask what you are looking fpr
• 2141[19:48:31] <Tenkawa> er for
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• 2143[19:49:13] <tux1212> ok karlpinc, i'm looking at debian and anothe distro with i unque configuration file (don't remember the name)
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• 2145[19:49:37] <tux1212> tenkawa advices
• 2146[19:49:59] <Tenkawa> what do you want to use them for?
• 2147[19:50:14] <karlpinc> tux1212: Debian does not have "web forums". We have IRC and mailing lists. See also replaced-url
• 2148[19:50:16] <Tenkawa> you need to figure out your requirements
• 2149[19:50:16] <tux1212> private use
• 2150[19:50:35] <tux1212> thanks karlpinc
• 2151[19:50:58] <Tenkawa> some are better suited for some uses than others
• 2152[19:51:06] <tux1212> tenkawa just for a private computer, not work
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• 2154[19:51:10] <Tenkawa> there are even sime varients of these
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• 2158[19:51:32] <tux1212> what's the name of the distro with a unique configuration file
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• 2160[19:51:49] <Tenkawa> tux1212: many of them
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• 2162[19:52:44] <karlpinc> tux1212: If you want the lastest software debian stable is not for you. Debian is about continuing to work without fuss. New software only arrives every couple of years when there's a major release.
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• 2165[19:52:58] <tux1212> arch
• 2166[19:53:03] <tux1212> arch is the name
• 2167[19:53:28] <tux1212> but i'm familiar only with apt
• 2168[19:53:46] <Tenkawa> ahhh arch
• 2169[19:53:53] <tux1212> what do you think of arch? debian has a better support/community?
• 2170[19:53:54] <karlpinc> tux1212: Arch runs the newest software all the time. So there's your choice.
• 2171[19:54:13] <tux1212> arch release lts?
• 2172[19:54:16] <greycat> Does it actually run? :-)
• 2173[19:54:28] <greycat> I'm sure they *ship* the latest software.
• 2174[19:54:36] <tux1212> debian release lts right?
• 2175[19:54:56] <tux1212> long term support
• 2176[19:55:01] <Tenkawa> if I want something newer on my debian boxes I'll build it :)
• 2177[19:55:13] <karlpinc> greycat: Every now and then I ask somebody, and they seem to say it "pretty much" always works. My problem is _unscheduled_ suprises...
• 2178[19:55:18] <karlpinc> !lts
• 2179[19:55:18] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
• 2180[19:55:52] <tux1212> thank you karl
• 2181[19:56:22] <karlpinc> tux1212: Without LTS you get 1 year of support on the old stable release from the date of the latest stable release.
• 2182[19:56:29] <tux1212> probably i'll go for debian because of security and updates
• 2183[19:57:31] <tux1212> better a stable and secure distro than a trendy one
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• 2185[19:58:43] <karlpinc> tux1212: Support here is good, but people want specifics. Vague hand-waving will be called-out as wasting people's time.
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• 2189[20:00:25] <tux1212> se se se.... bla bla bla..
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• 2192[20:00:33] <tux1212> thank you goodbye
• 2193[20:00:36] <karlpinc> tux1212: It can also help to write in complete and comprehensible sentences.
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• 2196[20:00:45] <ayekat> tux1212: the "unique configuration file" in arch hasn't been a thing for at least 6 years now
• 2197[20:00:54] <ayekat> turfrex: (if you were referring to /etc/rc.conf)
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• 2199[20:01:01] <ayekat> oops - tabfail, sorry
• 2200[20:01:14] <ayekat> oh, they went offline ¯\(°_o)/¯
• 2201[20:01:41] <ha3mak> hi
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• 2203[20:01:57] <ha3mak> I have some trouble with debian installer preseeding and keyboard layout settingss
• 2204[20:02:18] <ha3mak> I set up a hungarian layout in the preseed file but it installs with us layout
• 2205[20:02:38] <ha3mak> I think the problem is a dialog which I get when I'm doing a manual install
• 2206[20:02:54] <ha3mak> it says "the hungarian localization in the installer is incomplete"
• 2207[20:03:17] <ha3mak> I think I got also this error and the installer ignores my choice(hungarian layout)
• 2208[20:03:21] <ha3mak> is it possible?
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• 2210[20:03:27] <karlpinc> ha3mak: I don't suppose there's a bug report?
• 2211[20:03:52] <ha3mak> karlpinc: no, I didn't found any
• 2212[20:04:07] <ha3mak> I'm trying to set my layout like this: "d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select hu"
• 2213[20:04:10] <somiaj> I don't know presseds that well, but could you provide a script at the end that changes it. Also unsure if it matters, you could test a layout/localization besides us you know has support, that way you know that what you state is indeed the issue.
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• 2216[20:04:49] <karlpinc> ha3mak: I guess you could try to file a bug report. Seems like getting the keyboard right should not depend on a "complete localization".
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• 2218[20:05:20] <ha3mak> somiaj: If i set console-setup in "d-i pkgsel/include string" then I can set the layout, but there's an interactive popup while installing the package
• 2219[20:05:35] <ha3mak> karlpinc: thanks
• 2220[20:05:37] <karlpinc> ha3mak: (There's a channel somewhere for development of the installer. If you are sure you have found a bug they may or may not be interested in talking to you.)
• 2221[20:06:19] <ha3mak> kevinsan: I'll try to interact with the developers of the installer and ask them, thanks
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• 2223[20:06:34] <ha3mak> sry, misstab... :) karlpinc
• 2224[20:06:57] <karlpinc> ha3mak: A bug report will reach them. This has the advantage of not being forgotten.
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• 2229[20:08:17] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2230[20:08:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2234[20:08:55] <somiaj> I also notice the setting is xkb-layout (is this the x-keyboard, unsure what the x is standing for)
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• 2237[20:11:24] <ha3mak> uh, it's opened in 2013... Maybe I should found a workaround... :)
• 2238[20:13:07] <karlpinc> ha3mak: Or maybe it needs the right amount of detail so somebody can find the problem and fix it? Dunno. Just saying. If the bug gets enough noise maybe somebody will pay attention. You can email the bug, 721460@bugs.debian.org, and add to it.
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• 2241[20:13:38] <karlpinc> ha3mak: Even a "me too" would let the devs know people care.
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• 2245[20:14:01] <ha3mak> karlpinc: ok, I'll report it :)
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• 2248[20:14:40] <somiaj> having logs and a simple preeseed file they can test helps out too.
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• 2250[20:15:22] <somiaj> but I would first test some other layout, and verify if it is an issue with just the hu layout or not
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• 2253[20:15:51] <somiaj> ha3mak: also are you using xorg or a console?
• 2254[20:16:04] <spackle21> whats the cheapest personal linux vm cloud solution do you guys recommand
• 2255[20:16:32] <ha3mak> somiaj: I'm using the newt interface, console
• 2256[20:17:05] <somiaj> I'm usnsure if it means much, but xkb is the x-keyboard, but I cna't seem to find out if the console keyboard setting also uses that or needs a different option
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• 2259[20:17:46] <ha3mak> I'll testing it with other keymap e.g "de"
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• 2261[20:18:06] <ha3mak> the installer with the new preseed is booting already
• 2262[20:18:32] <somiaj> but yea, I'm not finding any other keyboard option, the xkb just makes me wonder.
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• 2267[20:19:30] <somiaj> I see some old examples using console-setup console-setup/layout select "layout" or console-setup/layoutout string hu
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• 2269[20:19:47] <somiaj> wonder if you just need to configure the console-setup package for the keyboard you want
• 2270[20:19:50] <ha3mak> yes, I saw them also but didn't worked
• 2271[20:19:59] <ha3mak> and I tried them also as boot parameters
• 2272[20:20:02] <somiaj> does dpkg-reconfigure console-setup let you select the right keyboard?
• 2273[20:20:06] <ha3mak> yes
• 2274[20:20:13] <ha3mak> after I install it
• 2275[20:20:41] <ha3mak> I mean the console-setup package isn't installed by default when I preseed
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• 2277[20:20:55] <somiaj> hmm, well these are just thoughts by the name of things. I don't know if that is the correct way or not, but maybe you need to install/configure the console-setup package in your preeseed?
• 2278[20:21:01] <ha3mak> but if I'm using a normal installer and I select the hungarian language then the console-setup is installed
• 2279[20:21:31] <ha3mak> somiaj: I tried, but when I install the package I got a popup to select the layout
• 2280[20:21:42] <ha3mak> and I have to chooese the layout manually
• 2281[20:21:59] <ha3mak> that work but that's not full-automatic install
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• 2284[20:24:54] <somiaj> isn't there a way to configure the options in the preseed file and avoid the popups?
• 2285[20:25:51] <ha3mak> I did'nt found any possibilities yet
• 2286[20:26:07] <ha3mak> I finished with the installation with the new preseed file
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• 2288[20:26:17] <ha3mak> I set the layout to "de"
• 2289[20:26:32] <ha3mak> and I got the sam result, it's "us" and there's no console-setup
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• 2291[20:28:22] <somiaj> ha3mak: what is in the file /etc/default/keyboard
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• 2293[20:29:34] <ha3mak> The file doesn't exists while I'm not installing console-setup
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• 2295[20:30:02] <somiaj> hmm, I wonder where xkb puts its file configuration then
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• 2299[20:32:02] <Tenkawa> somiaj: do you think rge kbd pkg itself could be causing a problem?
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• 2301[20:32:08] <Tenkawa> er the
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• 2303[20:32:47] <somiaj> I think xkb is setting the x-keyboard not the console keyboard, but was looking at where that information would be stored to check if that is the case
• 2304[20:33:09] <somiaj> but everything I"m finding on the wiki and google, point at /etc/defaul/keyboard which apperantelly is a part of console-setup, so unsure what is needed without that package
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• 2309[20:33:32] <somiaj> I do see /etc/X11/xkb but that is empty for he here, do you have anything in /etc/X11/xkb?
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• 2311[20:33:41] <ralpheeee> anyone have an x230.....cant get friggin BT to work....despite even dl firmareware
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• 2313[20:34:14] <somiaj> actually /etc/default/keyboard is part of the keyboard-configuation package
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• 2316[20:34:41] <somiaj> ahh it is optional and part of console-setup
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• 2318[20:34:55] <Tenkawa> theres sometimes some weird crossover
• 2319[20:35:15] <klys> ralpheeee, have you rebooted since you installed firmware, and verified it loads with dmesg
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• 2321[20:35:28] <ha3mak> somiaj: I have no /etc/X11/xkb file either, so don't know where's that value stored
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• 2323[20:36:29] <somiaj> ha3mak: hmm, yea because verything I run into is telling me console-setup and /etc/default/keyboard is what to use to configure the keyboard. Wonder if that is just the setting for if you use the graphical installer, though I don't really know, just a huntch because it says xkb
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• 2325[20:37:03] <somiaj> ha3mak: You said you could manually select the keyboard and it works (is this only with installing console-setup or without it)?
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• 2327[20:37:44] <ha3mak> somiaj: If I preseeded a system then I have to install the console-setup and then can I select my keymap
• 2328[20:37:59] <ha3mak> Or if I'm using the normal installer it installs the console-setup for me
• 2329[20:38:13] <ha3mak> but in every case there's the console-setup package
• 2330[20:38:42] <somiaj> hmm, so I guess the solution is install console-setup and ignore the promts, I'm surprised you can't do this with preseeds
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• 2334[20:40:02] <somiaj> ha3mak: it might just be you have to ensure everything debconf would ask for is configured via your preseed file
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• 2337[20:41:43] <somiaj> oh well, maybe someone who actually knows preseeds will step in
• 2338[20:41:53] <ha3mak> somiaj: I think if I add the package to "d-i pkgsel/include" the package wiull be installed but the popup not the part of the debian installer and cannot be set in preseed maybe. Or I don't know but I'll give it a try
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• 2341[20:44:37] <ralpheeee> klys: yeah error msg have gone with dmesg...
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• 2354[20:54:29] <klys> ralpheeee, have you been running blueman ?
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• 2357[20:55:11] <ralpheeee> klys: yeah no joy....with n without blueman
• 2358[20:55:41] <ha3mak> ok, I have a plan... I will do a normal setup when the keymap is set properly and then will check output of "debconf-get-selections --installer"
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• 2361[20:57:02] <klys> ralpheeee, I was having a problem with it a couple months ago and came across: replaced-url
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• 2364[20:58:44] <klys> ralpheeee, I have a script that runs: blueman-asistant; pulseaudio; a2dp.py; pulsemixer
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• 2374[21:04:34] <roylaprattep> is it still required to use swap with all the physical mem we have these days in our computer/server?&
• 2375[21:04:57] <greycat> if it's a laptop that you intend to hibernate, yes
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• 2377[21:05:09] <greycat> or suspend, or whatever that thing is that laptops do, that needs swap
• 2378[21:05:21] <roylaprattep> no, its a server that i setuped years ago
• 2379[21:05:39] <roylaprattep> is it possible to remove my swap and assign it to my root partition?
• 2380[21:05:50] <greycat> For servers, a small amount of swap helps optimize memory use by letting it offload rarely-used services to disk.
• 2381[21:06:03] <koppe> I would say yes in any case. No need to use unnecessary much RAM.
• 2382[21:06:04] <roylaprattep> i did use 4gig swap
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• 2384[21:06:23] <roylaprattep> i have 8gig ram in my server
• 2385[21:06:30] <roylaprattep> if id ont need the swap i would remove it
• 2386[21:07:08] <roylaprattep> and in htop, in 10 years, i never saw swap been used
• 2387[21:07:25] <roylaprattep> its a waste of disk space i think
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• 2389[21:07:47] <koppe> Personally I use as much swap as I got RAM (well a few 100MB more than).
• 2390[21:08:12] <nkuttler> i use zero swap. time to get more ram if i need it
• 2391[21:08:20] <koppe> 16GB swap may be wasteful, but HDDs are cheap.
• 2392[21:08:21] <roylaprattep> i did use half of my physical ram, so 4 gig of swap
• 2393[21:08:32] <klys> roylaprattep, do you have swap on a primary partition and need the other partition entry for something more useful
• 2394[21:09:01] <roylaprattep> klys: yes, but to remove it, i think it would be complicated, since i use raid1 with mdadm
• 2395[21:09:36] <koppe> a primary - but use GPT label, so more than 4 primary parts... But have used logicals previously.
• 2396[21:09:36] <klys> yes it would be, I think you'd need a backup.
• 2397[21:10:15] <jhutchins_wk> Backup any time you're messing with disk configurtion.
• 2398[21:10:23] <roylaprattep> well, as koppe said, i think its better to leave it there, hdd are cheap, thats true. no gonna go that route, too much work for nothing in the end.
• 2399[21:10:35] <jhutchins_wk> roylaprattep: I wouldn't bother removing it. It's handy if there's a runaway process.
• 2400[21:10:48] <roylaprattep> jhutchins_wk: yup, i will leave it that way.
• 2401[21:11:01] <jhutchins_wk> roylaprattep: Systems will sometimes stash a few pages of RAM in there if they're relatively idle.
• 2402[21:11:16] <klys> recently I picked up a 3.5" 2 TB 7200rpm SATA for $35
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• 2564[22:54:49] <karl_> hi all ! i have a problem with a server not allowing update of the system clock: replaced-url
• 2565[22:54:58] <karl_> any idea what could be wrong ?
• 2566[22:55:27] <greycat> Is Debian installed on the "real" hardware, or in some kind of VM or container?
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• 2568[22:55:35] <karl_> real solid metal
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• 2570[22:57:04] <greycat> Is ntp, or something NTP-like, already running and maybe fighting you?
• 2571[22:57:09] <karl_> its really weird, i had timesyncd running, but it seems to have 10min offset between RTC and UTC: replaced-url
• 2572[22:57:27] <karl_> i then disabled timesyncd and installed ntp, ntpdate
• 2573[22:57:34] <karl_> both seem to try to set the time, but fail
• 2574[22:57:37] <greycat> There you go. systemd-timesyncd is running? It's probably adjuting the clock back.
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• 2577[22:59:46] <karl_> i then did sudo timedatectl set-local-rtc 1, then sudo timedatectl set-local-rtc 0, and now the RTC and UTC are the same: replaced-url
• 2578[22:59:54] <karl_> but both are wrong.
• 2579[23:00:01] <karl_> they are 10min off
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• 2581[23:01:09] <dvs> karl_, I guess that's where the "offset -534.019809 sec" comes from
• 2582[23:01:55] <karl_> yes, thats the offset, but it seems ntpdate fails to set the system time
• 2583[23:01:56] <Tenkawa> I like rdate
• 2584[23:02:30] <somiaj> systemd has a default time service that will keep the time synced
• 2585[23:02:47] <greycat> Tell me it's not the default.
• 2586[23:03:13] <somiaj> systemd-timesyncd is enabled and running since stretch
• 2587[23:03:21] <greycat> oh god
• 2588[23:03:24] <somiaj> so systemctl status systemd-timesyncd
• 2589[23:03:25] <dvs> ???
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• 2592[23:03:50] <greycat> Condition: start condition failed at Tue 2019-06-18 09:09:08 EDT; 2 weeks 0 days
• 2593[23:03:50] <greycat> └─ ConditionFileIsExecutable=!/usr/sbin/ntpd was not met
• 2594[23:04:06] <greycat> In glorious yellow on white text that can only be read if I paste it into a different terminal.
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• 2596[23:04:17] <karl_> i disabled the systemd service : replaced-url
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• 2598[23:04:44] <greycat> Apparently it doesn't run (in stretch) if it finds /usr/sbin/ntpd to be present and executable.
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• 2603[23:05:48] <karl_> i am at my wits end, time is wrong and i cant fix it
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• 2605[23:06:22] <greycat> First step is to STOP (not disable, necessarily, but STOP) any and all processes that might be screwing with the clock.
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• 2607[23:06:37] <somiaj> karl_: have you stopped the serice (besides just disabled it), you ight also want to mask it
• 2608[23:06:57] <greycat> disable only tells it what to do upon reboot
• 2609[23:07:09] <somiaj> and is ignored if it runs on hooks
• 2610[23:08:11] <karl_> how can i confirm that its stopped ?
• 2611[23:08:20] <greycat> Apparently the buster version of the systemd-timesyncd service has similar checks, to suppress the systemd service if any of 4 other daemons are found to be executable, but the condition doesn't show up in systemctl status.
• 2612[23:08:31] <greycat> You have to cat /lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service.d/disable-with-time-daemon.conf to see them.
• 2613[23:09:16] <karl_> time seems to work on my buster laptop, but not on my 9.4 server
• 2614[23:09:22] <greycat> Same file on stretch, it seems. Just the systemctl output is different.
• 2615[23:10:03] <somiaj> yea, seems it only runs if you don't have another daemon
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• 2619[23:10:32] <karl_> time-sync.target loaded active active System Time Synchronized
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• 2621[23:10:52] <karl_> is it possible that there is still a systemd time syncing running ?
• 2622[23:10:57] <somiaj> yea active makes it look like is is running
• 2623[23:11:07] <greycat> systemctl status systemd-timesyncd
• 2624[23:11:08] <karl_> how can i stop that friggin service
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• 2626[23:11:19] <somiaj> systemctl stop systemd-timesyncd
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• 2630[23:12:11] <jmcnaught> time-sync.target is not a service, it has no processes
• 2631[23:12:42] <somiaj> it could be a target though, these are systemd's concept of runlevels
• 2632[23:12:53] <karl_> ok, so i am pretty sure timesyncd is not running. still, ntpdate can not set the system clock, or its immediately reverted
• 2633[23:13:31] <karl_> replaced-url
• 2634[23:13:39] <greycat> "pretty sure"? what did you check? what did it say? did you check all the things listed in the file with the very long name?
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• 2637[23:13:59] <greycat> Did you look for log files, or journalctl, to see if there are any hints there?
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• 2641[23:14:48] <karl_> i issued systemctl stop systemd-timesyncd
• 2642[23:14:54] <karl_> that should do it or not ?
• 2643[23:15:12] <greycat> Maybe. Who knows. You re-run status after that to see what happened.
• 2644[23:15:25] <somiaj> you could check to see if the process is running, /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd, is running here
• 2645[23:15:47] <karl_> no process of that name running
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• 2649[23:17:34] <karl_> issuing ntpdate -b pool.ntp.org creates interesting syslog:
• 2650[23:17:54] <karl_> replaced-url
• 2651[23:18:22] <karl_> so apparently something immediately sets the time back to the wrong 10min offset
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• 2653[23:18:53] <karl_> i am not used to my computer trying to be smarter than me, i actually hate that
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• 2659[23:21:17] * Tenkawa notes ai is taking over everything
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• 2661[23:21:27] <jmcnaught> systemd is reporting that it noticed the time changed, doesn't mean it's changing it. also systemd[29138] is probably a user instance (user@replaced-ip)
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• 2665[23:22:25] <karl_> so please what is doing this ?
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• 2667[23:23:16] <Tenkawa> you could still be running at
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• 2670[23:24:35] <karl_> ??
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• 2673[23:25:49] <Tenkawa> nothing
• 2674[23:25:51] <Tenkawa> heh
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• 2676[23:27:57] <karl_> i now installed ntp to satisfy dependency in the file with the very long name, still no change, ntpdate fails to set the time
• 2677[23:28:42] <Tenkawa> karl_: just for grins try rdate -s
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• 2679[23:28:57] <Tenkawa> karl_: just for grins try rdate -s timeserver
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• 2681[23:29:59] <greycat> Did you reboot after installing and configuring ntp?
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• 2683[23:30:46] <greycat> It should run a single ntpd process with the -g option (and some other options but -g is *important*) which lets it do the equivalent of ntpdate ONE time only, at start-up.
• 2684[23:30:49] <tfgbd_> What do I do with contrib binaries
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• 2694[23:33:36] <karl_> rdate -s pool.ntp.org does not do anything, it just hangs forever ?
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• 2696[23:34:11] <karl_> ntp 13177 1 0 23:41 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -g -u 124:130
• 2697[23:34:21] <tfgbd_> Like, how do I contribute binaries so they show up for a proc arch
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• 2700[23:35:36] <Tenkawa> karl_: I use time.mit.edu
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• 2702[23:36:07] <Tenkawa> just tested it and its working.. I agree on pool.ntp.org
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• 2704[23:36:26] <Tenkawa> some of those are not responding to rcommands
• 2705[23:36:45] <karl_> replaced-url
• 2706[23:37:03] <karl_> it reads the correct time, but also fails in setting the system time
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• 2708[23:37:21] <noln> tfgbd_, mail debian-mentors replaced-url
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• 2710[23:38:06] <karl_> gawd, this is SO ANNOYING !!
• 2711[23:38:15] <karl_> sorry for shouting, really frustrated.
• 2712[23:39:22] <Tenkawa> hmm.. something is setting drift
• 2713[23:39:36] <jmcnaught> karl_: what happens if you change the date manually?
• 2714[23:39:53] <Tenkawa> jmcnaught: good idea
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• 2716[23:39:59] <roylaprattep> Linux debian-prlsvr 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u3 (2019-06-16) x86_64
• 2717[23:40:07] <roylaprattep> when ssh login, where this line is took?
• 2718[23:40:14] <roylaprattep> is there a way to remove it when ssh login
• 2719[23:40:29] <mutante> rdate? i just knew ntpdate for that thing. are those very different?
• 2720[23:41:12] <Tenkawa> roylaprattep: disable banner in sshd
• 2721[23:41:20] <roylaprattep> Tenkawa: thx!
• 2722[23:41:33] <Tenkawa> but once logged in someone cab still uname 0a
• 2723[23:41:36] <karl_> replaced-url
• 2724[23:41:43] <karl_> cant set the time even manually
• 2725[23:41:50] <Tenkawa> er uname -a and see it
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• 2727[23:42:17] <Tenkawa> it just wont throw it in their face this way
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• 2729[23:44:19] <roylaprattep> # no default banner path
• 2730[23:44:19] <roylaprattep> #Banner none
• 2731[23:44:27] <roylaprattep> i only have this Tenkawa
• 2732[23:44:35] <roylaprattep> and when uncommented, it doesnt work
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• 2734[23:45:00] <Tenkawa> just a sec
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• 2736[23:46:10] <Tenkawa> PrintMotd no
• 2737[23:46:15] <Tenkawa> try that one
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• 2739[23:46:32] <roylaprattep> no more
• 2740[23:46:38] <roylaprattep> isnt working
• 2741[23:46:39] <Tenkawa> add that to sshd_config and restart
• 2742[23:46:47] <roylaprattep> its just since i upgraded to stretch
• 2743[23:46:52] <Tenkawa> well darn
• 2744[23:47:02] <roylaprattep> i just dont remember what i modified in jessie, too old in my meory
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• 2746[23:47:04] <roylaprattep> memory
• 2747[23:47:17] <mutante> roylaprattep: /etc/motd and /etc/motd.tail
• 2748[23:47:46] <mutante> does that look like what you are seeing
• 2749[23:48:11] <roylaprattep> mutante: i dont have that file motd.tail
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• 2753[23:49:12] <mutante> roylaprattep: but the other one?
• 2754[23:49:33] <roylaprattep> this line is not in it
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• 2757[23:51:20] <mutante> roylaprattep: actually it looks like you put "uname -a" command in somewhere that gets executed at login
• 2758[23:51:35] <mutante> it looks like what you get if you run uname -a manually, right
• 2759[23:51:45] <roylaprattep> yes
• 2760[23:51:46] <humpled> maybe hushlogin
• 2761[23:51:57] <roylaprattep> but its done automatically
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• 2763[23:52:41] <jmcnaught> roylaprattep: delete or move /etc/update-motd.d/10-uname
• 2764[23:52:56] <mutante> roylaprattep: check /etc/profile and .profile and .bashrc in home dir
• 2765[23:53:16] <mutante> oh, jmcnaught's sounds very promising :)
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• 2771[23:57:05] <roylaprattep> i dont want to touch system file just for this fancy thing
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• 2773[23:57:43] <karl_> ok, i give up, it might be easier to just change UTC
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