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• 13[00:14:47] <ghormoon> hi, did any defualts regarding xorg optins change in last eg. month? i was now fiddlin an hour wht my ssh -X doesn't work, found out i don't have /tmp/X11-unix/X0, not even with explicit -listen unix. /listen unix + -listen tcp does put it there, though ... wtf? i need to be running tcp to have unix socket?
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• 15[00:16:29] <ghormoon> using slim as DM is that matters (putting the options there)
• 16[00:16:53] <ghormoon> by default it had -nolisten tcp
• 17[00:17:00] <EdePopede> can i make curl write to standard file instead of terminal as default? that means: if i don't say "write to stdout" it will ALWAYS write to file
• 18[00:20:49] <Habbie> EdePopede, curl understands a curlrc file
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• 41[00:39:56] <lipsnot> hello
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• 50[00:44:36] <EdePopede> wth. meanwhile i'm running curl in a loop between 2 integers and use -o with a variable parameter to write the files to. and for a while it decides to behaves as it would have the -O option instead.
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• 54[00:47:26] <Habbie> EdePopede, that doesn't make any sense to me
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• 62[00:49:53] <EdePopede> Habbie: you loop over i. then: curl x$i -o f$i. so all files should start with f and then have a number. if you do this instead: curl x$i -O # then they start with x instead. and that's exactly what a closed block of files looks like. then it returned to the normal naming again.
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• 67[00:52:25] <EdePopede> something you'd do with hls streams or image collections or multipage manuals or similar.
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• 79[01:03:12] <Habbie> EdePopede, i don't follow, sorry
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• 82[01:03:40] <EdePopede> tl;dr: seems it ignored the -o option for a while
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• 90[01:16:28] <risingtide> Hey I am back!
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• 92[01:18:21] <risingtide> I got into mysql -p
• 93[01:18:57] <risingtide> but when I go to phpmyadmin I use root:mypass
• 94[01:19:05] <risingtide> and it says access denied
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• 96[01:19:35] <risingtide> do I have to reinstall phpmyadmin or is it something else
• 97[01:19:44] <risingtide> I can login to command line just fine
• 98[01:20:26] <risingtide> it's using mariadb though so maybe there's a different admin tool?
• 99[01:20:46] <risingtide> remote logins are enabled but I am logging in locally
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• 180[02:28:52] <nixonix> i made couple of simple virtual hosts, using apache with event MPM, and i can connect to them from another computer in lan, but not locally, in debian buster. i know it used to work quite recently, at least in mint and suse, but not sure if something is different in debian, or in recent apache (in #httpd they suspect its not an apache issue)
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• 183[02:29:27] <nixonix> i have copypaste of outputs etc there: replaced-url
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• 191[02:34:20] <dolo> !parrot
• 192[02:34:20] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
• 193[02:34:36] <dolo> !manjaro
• 194[02:34:36] <dpkg> Manjaro Linux is desktop-oriented distribution based on Arch Linux. replaced-url
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• 210[02:50:16] <dolo> o
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• 212[02:50:54] <dvs> u
• 213[02:51:20] <dolo> lol
• 214[02:51:28] <dolo> are u smart
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• 218[02:52:56] <dolo> !manjaro
• 219[02:52:56] <dpkg> Manjaro Linux is desktop-oriented distribution based on Arch Linux. replaced-url
• 220[02:53:10] <dolo> !parrotos
• 221[02:53:10] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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• 223[02:53:34] <dolo> !ubuntu
• 224[02:53:34] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 235[03:08:25] <nixonix> my question above, it was ipv4 vs ipv6 issue, so i had to add the virtual host sites in hosts as ::1 too, that solved the problem
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• 251[03:31:55] <magic_ninja> So an update pooched my grub.
• 252[03:31:57] <magic_ninja> I'm not sure why it happened.
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• 254[03:32:09] <somiaj> what do you mean pooched your grub?
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• 256[03:32:36] <somiaj> updates will rerun update-grub after kernels are installed, but they won't mess with grub-install in any way
• 257[03:32:39] <magic_ninja> removed all entries except one that directs me to system setup (bios, but not bios :) )
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• 259[03:32:58] <magic_ninja> Something ran update-grub.
• 260[03:33:01] <somiaj> okay, yea maybe something happened and the update-script failed to detect your kernels.
• 261[03:33:05] <somiaj> yea, kernels will
• 262[03:33:06] <magic_ninja> Grub settings don't just disappear.
• 263[03:33:26] <magic_ninja> 4.19.37-3
• 264[03:33:34] <magic_ninja> was that just updated?
• 265[03:33:49] <somiaj> in what release?
• 266[03:33:55] <somiaj> that is not a stable or stable backports kernel
• 267[03:34:04] <magic_ninja> buster, testing
• 268[03:34:10] <magic_ninja> no backports or unstable.
• 269[03:34:42] <somiaj> well can you boot into a live system and rerun update-grub and see what happens?
• 270[03:34:49] <somiaj> chroot from a live system
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• 272[03:35:22] <magic_ninja> I already "fixed" it, but I had just "fixed it" before when I swapped sata ports.
• 273[03:35:39] <magic_ninja> That tells me it will happen again. Any way to view update history?
• 274[03:36:05] <somiaj> sure, /var/log
• 275[03:36:14] <somiaj> so /var/log/apt/history.log
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• 277[03:36:49] <somiaj> but it is something happening with the update-grub scripts on your system, as opposed to the package that upgraded. So did you fix it by just chrooting into your system and rerunning update-grub
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• 279[03:37:34] <magic_ninja> yea, but this will be the second time I had to do it.
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• 281[03:38:45] <magic_ninja> vim-common:amd64 (2:8.1.0875-4, 2:8.1.0875-5), vim-gtk:amd64 (2:8.1.0875-4, 2:8.1.0875-5), libqscintilla2-qt5-13:amd64 (2.10.4+dfsg-2, 2.10.4+dfsg-2.1), vim-runtime:amd64 (2:8.1.0875-4, 2:8.1.0875-5), vim:amd64 (2:8.1.0875-4, 2:8.1.0875-5), libqscintilla2-qt5-l10n:amd64 (2.10.4+dfsg-2, 2.10.4+dfsg-2.1), xxd:amd64 (2:8.1.0875-4, 2:8.1.0875-5), vim-gui-common:amd64 (2:8.1.0875-4, 2:8.1.0875-5), vim-tiny:amd64 (2:8.1.0875-4,
• 282[03:38:45] <magic_ninja> 2:8.1.087
• 283[03:38:58] <magic_ninja> don't look like any of those.
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• 288[03:40:12] <magic_ninja> I do have rEFInd installed. So first order of business is to remove that.
• 289[03:40:25] <magic_ninja> And while I do that I need to download a GUI boot iso.
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• 293[03:43:01] <nixonix> with refind you dont need any usb-sticks for chrooting, if its in your nvram, just boot with that to your distro to run the update-grub
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• 296[03:44:02] <magic_ninja> nixonix, it wouldn't boot the kernel. It dropped me in an infraramfs
• 297[03:44:40] <nixonix> so your kernel doesnt have stub loader, i suppose
• 298[03:44:59] <nixonix> try another distro then, if you have several
• 299[03:45:04] <calamari> I just read that Ubuntu is dropping 32-bit library support. Is Debian planning on dropping support too?
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• 301[03:46:15] <magic_ninja> nixonix, I don't. I'm going to stay on stable when it comes out.
• 302[03:47:37] <nixonix> every man and woman should have several linux installations ready to boot. think if something happens to one...
• 303[03:47:40] <magic_ninja> I need to make a decision as to if I want to keep rEFInd or drop it and get a default boot loader installed, though.
• 304[03:47:52] <magic_ninja> I have a laptop.
• 305[03:47:56] <magic_ninja> And a phone
• 306[03:48:43] <Tom-_> nixonix, hehe
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• 309[03:50:10] <nixonix> i even currently have two debian buster xfce installations installed. just in case
• 310[03:50:22] <nixonix> (among with many other distros)
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• 312[03:51:03] <magic_ninja> I really need to focus on the problem at hand at the moment, which is getting my boot loader sorted out, rather than installed a bunch of other stuff to compound the problem.
• 313[03:51:31] <maxrazer> Does anyone else have hexchat on Debian 10 and notice it freeze for like 20 seconds when it starts and says looking up host?
• 314[03:51:31] <nixonix> do you have a spare ssd handy? you could install another one right now
• 315[03:51:50] <magic_ninja> That doesn't address my initial problem, though.
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• 322[03:56:02] <yvyz> can you just /etc/default/grub
• 323[03:56:05] <yvyz> and then just update-grub
• 324[03:56:09] <yvyz> and then be happy?
• 325[03:57:01] <yvyz> Grub isn't that hard to learn
• 326[03:57:25] <yvyz> Check your partitions. Correct waht you need in /etc/default/grub. Update yur grubs
• 327[03:57:58] <magic_ninja> You are right about grub. I could have booted if I had known which parameters to use and how to use the console.
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• 329[03:58:51] <yvyz> So you are totally out of you rmachine right now?
• 330[03:58:51] <yvyz> LiveCD, chroot in. Do the grub work you need, and then update-grub
• 331[03:58:55] <yvyz> I doubt you even need to mount and chroot tbh
• 332[03:59:03] <magic_ninja> na, I'm back in.
• 333[03:59:32] <magic_ninja> Restored efi/grub. Something tried to update grub and removed all my entires except for system setup
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• 388[04:50:56] <jana> Hi, I enabled the "discard" flag on my SSD, to remove it, is it simply the case I can edit /etc/fstab and delete the word, then reboot? Any help would be appreciated - thank you.
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• 393[04:59:00] <SwedeMike> jana: if you want to revert back to old behaviour, yes. replaced-url
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• 398[05:03:23] <somiaj> jana: you might be able to just remount and not have to reboot, but a reboot is easy
• 399[05:03:26] <maxrazer> Is anyone else on Debian 10 and use Pavucontrol for volume? Suddenly I notice it maps the bubble noise when I slide the volume. It never used to do that. I think Ubuntu does that, not sure.
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• 401[05:04:33] <somiaj> I haven't updated to 10 yet, but could be a change.
• 402[05:04:36] <somiaj> check the changelog
• 403[05:05:14] <somiaj> hmm, the version really hasn't changed that much between stretch and buster
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• 405[05:06:06] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: on buster here, I have sound effects turned off in settings. If I turn sound effects back on, I get a bubble sound when I adjust volume with hotkeys but not with pavucontrol
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• 408[05:06:25] <somiaj> yea, I'm not seeing any changes so must just be a setting as jmcnaught has noticed
• 409[05:06:37] <jana> SwedeMike: Thank you very much for confirming that and the useful link
• 410[05:07:44] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: okay if sound effects are turned on I get the bubble sound adjusting volume slider on the output devices tab, but not on the playback tab (where I tried first)
• 411[05:08:12] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Where is this sound effects setting? I don't see any such option.
• 412[05:08:20] <jana> somiaj: thank you
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• 414[05:09:09] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: settings, click on sound in the left-hand side bar, click on sound effects tab
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• 416[05:10:06] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, I don't know what you mean by left-hand side bar. Pavucontrol has never had any such thing for me.
• 417[05:10:21] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: i'm talking about GNOME settings
• 418[05:10:40] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, Oh, I'm using i3wm, I don't have Gnome desktop.
• 419[05:10:57] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, I bet I installed some gnome package and it added it somehow.
• 420[05:11:10] <maxrazer> I was experimenting with bluetooth packages and some where from Gnome.
• 421[05:11:37] <jmcnaught> maxrazer: I also have a "System sounds" channel in pavucontrol's playback tab
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• 423[05:12:21] <maxrazer> jmcnaught, I always have that tab. It generally doesn't do anything. I think that is the loopback, which may effect recording.
• 424[05:12:47] <maxrazer> I was trying to get my dualshock4 controller to work with bluetooth. It was a pain.
• 425[05:13:31] <maxrazer> I found bluedevil-wizard from KDE project works well. Also there is a software kill switch on my bluetooth adapter that has to be turned off with "sudo rfkill up"
• 426[05:14:01] <maxrazer> I wonder what package that is, because I uninstalled the gnome stuff I thought.
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• 430[05:16:12] <newtodebian> I am trying to install freerdp2 in a new debian buster install on amd64 replaced-url
• 431[05:18:17] <jmcnaught> newtodebian: your link is a search to source packages, which get compiled into binary packages (the type you install). Maybe you want the freerdp2-x11 package?
• 432[05:18:21] <enveezee> maxrazer dpkg and apt have logs
• 433[05:18:51] <maxrazer> enveezee, yeah, maybe I could figure it out. I installed and removed a lot of packages.
• 434[05:19:05] <maxrazer> I used a few different guides too. Maybe some old ones.
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• 437[05:19:59] <newtodebian> jmcnaught: thanks for the reply.. so since it says that there is a "Source Package freerdp2".. does this mean that there is a way to install the source package freerdp2? (I think you are saying that you cannot install source packages)?
• 438[05:20:30] <newtodebian> you can only install a bin package.. am I understanding this right?
• 439[05:21:18] <jmcnaught> newtodebian: you can install a source package, but if your goal is to run freerdp2 then you want to download a binary package. Almost all the time when people speak about packages they mean binary packages.
• 440[05:21:34] <newtodebian> ahh.. I need to be looking at replaced-url
• 441[05:21:40] <newtodebian> duh
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• 500[06:12:24] <geri> hi, how can i export systemd-cgtop output every 5 sec to a file?
• 501[06:12:35] <geri> i need to analyze some cpu spike where its comming from
• 502[06:12:44] <geri> during the hour interval
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• 509[06:25:11] <nixonix> cant remember how while loops go in bash script, but you could use there 'sleep 5s' and then the output >>file. not very elegant like cron etc, but should work as a quick hack
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• 511[06:25:59] <geri> how can i do it with watch command? nixonix
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• 513[06:26:30] <nixonix> havent use that
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• 516[06:27:03] <nixonix> but you might also want to grep the output to include only relevant llines (dont know systemd-cgtop either)
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• 518[06:27:50] <geri> i try: count=0 watch -n 5 echo "$((count += 1))"
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• 522[06:37:41] <geri> nixonix: fixed it:
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• 524[06:37:44] <geri> export temp=$(tempfile) echo 0 > "$temp"; watch -n 1 'read var < "$temp"; systemd-cgtop --iterations=1 > cpu"$((var))".txt; echo "$((var+=1))" > "$temp"'
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• 632[08:41:40] <no_gravity> Is there key similar to ctrl+alt+l but only to blank the screen, not to lock it?
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• 635[08:42:31] <kreyren> no_gravity, there is key to everything just configure it to your liking
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• 642[08:49:35] <no_gravity> "xset dpms force off" seems to do the right thing. Now I wonder which key I should bind it to. Hmm...
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• 789[10:38:31] <Soo_Slow> hello. Is firewall-config (firewalld) any good to setup and configure firewall? I mean - thus far I've tried gufw (didnt like it coz it create a lot of unnecessary garbage inside iptables rules) and direct (e.g via terminal) iptables configuration. For basic needs, second one is extremely handy, but for complex - Im afraid, I cant understand the logic behind its syntax
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• 791[10:39:15] <Soo_Slow> wonder if firewall'd gui will be a bit more user-friendly
• 792[10:39:30] <Soo_Slow> *firewalld's
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• 800[10:44:59] <elwisp> struggling a bit with APT: replaced-url
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• 804[10:48:03] <allorder> did you try to install libssh-4
• 805[10:48:56] <nixonix> firewalld is ok. it has zones, but you dont have to use more than one, if theres no need
• 806[10:49:21] <nixonix> and besides firewall-cmd there should be gui for that, if i remember right
• 807[10:49:21] <elwisp> no, but i tried aptitude now instead and it says: libssh-4 : Breaks: x2goclient (< 4.1.2.1-1+) but 4.0.5.2-2 is to be installed
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• 810[10:50:08] <elwisp> looks like libssh-4 is too old for x2go in debian stretch
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• 818[10:52:12] <elwisp> oooh, i have remmina from stretch-backports. Thats probably not ideal
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• 823[10:53:44] <elwisp> so having remmina and x2go is actually impossible on debiah stretch. How sad
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• 843[11:03:43] <veek> can reportbug be used to delete a bugreport
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• 862[11:19:41] <f8e3> if i install foo (eg vscode) with snap instead of downloading the .deb file, whats the difference in directory structure?
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• 882[11:27:52] <OS-50042> .
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• 906[11:40:10] <met> f8e3, snaps live in subdirectories in /snap/ (e.g. /snap/intellij-idea-community), with binary symlinks in /snap/bin/
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• 911[11:44:24] <f8e3> met: does snap remove foo - remove it completely?
• 912[11:45:16] <f8e3> without modifications to other dirs, beside removing this one subdir not leaving traces or remnances
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• 915[11:47:47] <met> I think it does; snaps come as large files containing squashfs filesystems which are then mounted
• 916[11:48:06] <met> /var/lib/snapd/snaps/intellij-idea-community_152.snap on /snap/intellij-idea-community/152 type squashfs (ro,nodev,relatime,x-gdu.hide)
• 917[11:48:11] <f8e3> thank you ill give it a try
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• 919[11:49:07] <met> you need at least debian testing for these, but you probably know it already
• 920[11:49:44] <f8e3> Snap is currently unavailable on versions of Debian prior to 9.; deb9.9 is ok
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• 958[12:38:33] <nixew> Why does stretch-backports repository not work when I type 'apt update' ?
• 959[12:38:40] <nixew> It timeouts in 120 seconds.
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• 971[12:48:30] <kreyren> what is the correct way to get nvidia proprietary drivers on debian testing?
• 972[12:48:36] <kreyren> aptli - replaced-url
• 973[12:48:41] <kreyren> nvidia-driver is not sufficient
• 974[12:48:41] <nkuttler> !tell nixew about errors
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• 976[12:48:55] <nkuttler> !tell kreyren about nvidia dkms
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• 979[12:50:33] <kreyren> nkuttler, i believe that it's obsolete assuming that nvidia-drivers makes the blacklist and installs nvidia-kernel-dkms/testing,now 418.74-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
• 980[12:50:55] <kreyren> linux headers also present
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• 987[12:52:37] <nkuttler> kreyren: what is your actual question?
• 988[12:52:53] <kreyren> nkuttler, what is the correct way to install nvidia drivers on debian buster
• 989[12:53:03] <nkuttler> kreyren: how would you know they are installed?
• 990[12:53:10] <nkuttler> how do you know they are not?
• 991[12:53:21] <kreyren> since my games would work and glxinfo would report my dGPU for openGL
• 992[12:53:33] <kreyren> note optimus notebook
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• 994[12:53:44] <nkuttler> have you tried turning it off and on again?
• 995[12:53:49] <kreyren> ye
• 996[12:53:50] <kreyren> dah
• 997[12:54:14] <nkuttler> kreyren: lsmod | grep nvidia
• 998[12:54:28] <kreyren> replaced-url
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• 1000[12:55:03] <nkuttler> kreyren: grep -i nvidia /var/log/Xorg.0.log
• 1001[12:55:20] <kreyren> replaced-url
• 1002[12:55:36] <nkuttler> kreyren: congrats, you have installed the nvidia driver
• 1003[12:55:52] <kreyren> but it's not working
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• 1005[12:56:14] <kreyren> replaced-url
• 1006[12:56:18] <kreyren> still uses iGPU
• 1007[12:56:47] <nixew> nkuttler: first, I typed 'apt update'. Then I waited about 2 minutes and then this showed up: Resolving timed out after 120647 milliseconds' and 'Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1009[12:58:22] <yvyz> ... Can you ping it?
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• 1011[12:58:48] <nkuttler> if you can't resolve the hostname.. sounds like your dns is broken?
• 1012[12:59:02] <nkuttler> kreyren: not sure how you came to that conclusion, or that output
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• 1014[12:59:45] <nixew> nkuttler: I opened the link in a web browser. Loaded instantly.
• 1015[12:59:50] <nixew> I don't see a problem.
• 1016[13:00:22] <kreyren> nkuttler, since when i open any 3D app it runs on iGPU based on performance
• 1017[13:01:01] <nkuttler> kreyren: so, performance is the only indicator you don't use the driver?
• 1018[13:01:44] <kreyren> nkuttler, correct
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• 1020[13:01:59] <kreyren> it should run around 80FPS in rocket league not 12 FPS
• 1021[13:02:03] <nkuttler> nixew: fwiw, deb.debian.org is a cdn, might be worth a try to configure a local mirror
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• 1025[13:04:54] * kreyren rebooting
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• 1028[13:05:03] <nixew> nkuttler: so instead of "replaced-url
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• 1031[13:05:32] <nkuttler> nixew: i would try something like that, yeah
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• 1035[13:06:57] <kreyren> solved the issue with dGPU -> i needed `bumblebee-nvidia` package -- But it has performance issues now, probably running in power saving mode?
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• 1037[13:07:15] <yvyz> Wait
• 1038[13:07:21] <yvyz> Do you know what bumblebee is doing??
• 1039[13:07:27] <yvyz> or why it is necessary?
• 1040[13:07:41] <yvyz> Do you have mesa or nouv packages loaded alongside your nvidia?
• 1041[13:07:46] <kreyren> afaik package for optimus notebooks to switch on desired GPU ?
• 1042[13:07:48] <yvyz> Did you kernel load the nvidia modules?
• 1043[13:08:05] <yvyz> Dual GPU? Integrated + nvidia?
• 1044[13:08:12] <kreyren> mesa vulkan is intalled , nouv is blacklisted
• 1045[13:08:30] <kreyren> yep it's optinus notebook -> dGPU and iGPU present
• 1046[13:08:33] <nixew> nkuttler: it needs a SSL certificate. It says "certificate subject name does not match target host name" and "The repository does not have a Release file"
• 1047[13:08:39] <yvyz> I am guessing mesa vulk for your OS and nvidia for your games ya?
• 1048[13:08:47] <kreyren> lsmod -replaced-url
• 1049[13:09:05] <kreyren> mesa vulk for 3d apps? or does nvidia provide it's own vulkan?
• 1050[13:09:09] <nkuttler> !tell nixew about mirrors
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• 1052[13:09:23] <nkuttler> nixew: fwiw, not all mirrors support https
• 1053[13:09:25] <yvyz> There is nvidia-vulkan yes
• 1054[13:09:41] <kreyren> => mesa vulkan not needed?
• 1055[13:09:57] <yvyz> Well it depends on what you want running on which GPU.
• 1056[13:10:07] <yvyz> Does what you need require acceleration + vulkan support?
• 1057[13:10:14] <kreyren> mesa vulk for iGPU and nvidia for nvidia?
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• 1059[13:10:32] <yvyz> Yea but what programs or executables are going to be using which GPU?
• 1060[13:10:39] <kreyren> generally if there is a usefull function i want it but priority is to get dGPU working as expected
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• 1062[13:10:51] <kreyren> dGPU is expected to be used for blender, gimp and games
• 1063[13:10:56] <kreyren> iGPU for desktop etc
• 1064[13:11:02] <yvyz> Normally notebooks have the onbaord GFX card (the intel one) running the OS and browsres and stuff. While the nvidia card is used for games or GFX workstation stuff.
• 1065[13:11:09] <yvyz> Yes
• 1066[13:11:33] <yvyz> Bumblebee isnt necessary.
• 1067[13:11:39] <kreyren> why not?
• 1068[13:11:50] <yvyz> Unless you REALLY need to go the route of individually assigning applications to specific GPU's
• 1069[13:12:03] <yvyz> And unless you REALLY need the context splitting across two GPU's
• 1070[13:12:22] <kreyren> sounds usefull
• 1071[13:12:29] <yvyz> It is
• 1072[13:12:29] <kreyren> -> prefix with optirun for dGPU apps ?
• 1073[13:12:38] <yvyz> But it is also not all that straightforward
• 1074[13:12:47] <nixew> nkuttler: alright. I switched it to HTTP and now it works. No idea why it stopped working from day to day. Thanks.
• 1075[13:13:05] <kreyren> meaning?
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• 1077[13:15:39] <yvyz> kreyren: I would answer but give this a shot: replaced-url
• 1078[13:16:05] <yvyz> and replaced-url
• 1079[13:16:27] <yvyz> Straightforward = Turn Key
• 1080[13:16:45] <yvyz> I promise there will be some configuring required if you want to run bumblebee. I avoid it doing that like the plague.
• 1081[13:16:50] <yvyz> But thats me
• 1082[13:18:22] <nkuttler> nixew: might be that the server behind the cdn was down or something.. though i guess the point of a cdn would be to prevent that
• 1083[13:19:01] <nkuttler> or route around it..
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• 1086[13:20:45] <kreyren> yvyz, thanks, helpful
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• 1120[13:58:57] <zojka> I have fresh installation of Debian 9.9 ..installed mysql-server and now I see it is MariaDB
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• 1123[13:59:20] <zojka> why the package is not named somehow else?
• 1124[13:59:29] <Habbie> it is named something else
• 1125[13:59:34] <Habbie> see dpkg -l
• 1126[14:00:23] <yvyz> MariaDB is basically MysQL
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• 1128[14:00:45] <zojka> aha..probably the Maria has been default...from installation...then I manually installed mysql-server
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• 1131[14:01:20] <zojka> when I start 'mysql -u root' ...atomativaly gives me Maria console
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• 1133[14:01:43] <yvyz> MariaDB is basically MysQL
• 1134[14:01:57] <zojka> fork?
• 1135[14:02:02] <yvyz> Yes
• 1136[14:02:06] <zojka> community fork?
• 1137[14:02:08] <yvyz> And the preferred one for many distros now
• 1138[14:02:46] <zojka> but I have habit use classic MySQL
• 1139[14:03:05] <zojka> Iam conservative
• 1140[14:03:19] <yvyz> It is practically no different
• 1141[14:03:26] <yvyz> Anything you did with MySQL will work with MariaDB
• 1142[14:03:44] <yvyz> replaced-url
• 1143[14:03:59] <zojka> and new phpadmin doesnt allow me connect as root?
• 1144[14:04:16] <zojka> so many news
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• 1146[14:04:35] <yvyz> ... You need to assign a root user for mariadb and configure phpmyadmin with that user info
• 1147[14:05:01] <yvyz> This has been this way since 2017
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• 1149[14:05:37] <zojka> now I am before decision if Maria or classic MySQL
• 1150[14:05:43] <yvyz> MySQL was not being maintained for debian, and another slew of issues.
• 1151[14:05:49] <yvyz> Maria
• 1152[14:05:53] <zojka> ok
• 1153[14:05:56] <yvyz> because it is supported properly
• 1154[14:06:14] <zojka> step 1) I will uninstall mysql-server
• 1155[14:06:19] <yvyz> no dont
• 1156[14:06:23] <yvyz> that points to mariadb
• 1157[14:06:30] <yvyz> unless you .deb'd it yourself
• 1158[14:06:48] <zojka> ok..I will let it be there
• 1159[14:07:07] <yvyz> its this way because it is literally the supported drop-in replacement
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• 1161[14:07:28] <yvyz> I know it is confusing. But I promise everything is cinnamon, spice, and nice.
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• 1165[14:08:48] <zojka> These packages I have installed: mariadb-client-10.1, mariadb-client-core-10.1 , mariadb-common, mariadb-server-10.1, mariadb-server-core-10.1, mysql-common, mysql-server,
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• 1167[14:09:22] <zojka> why I should have mariadb-server and again mysql-server
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• 1300[15:47:47] <jmd> Does anyone have any recommended packages to create video screenshots?
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• 1302[15:48:16] <nkuttler> jmd: um, just use your favorite player?
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• 1304[15:49:07] <nkuttler> i've used mplayer/mpv, but it probably depends on what you want to do exactly
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• 1306[15:49:51] <jmd> I thought that players played videos. I want to create one.
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• 1308[15:50:06] <nkuttler> you said you want to create screenshots
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• 1310[15:50:10] <Habbie> jmd, you want to record your screen?
• 1311[15:50:23] <jmd> Habbie: Right.
• 1312[15:50:31] <nkuttler> ah..
• 1313[15:50:33] <jmd> and audio too.
• 1314[15:50:54] <Habbie> i don't have a recommendation but i note that google provides plenty of results
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• 1316[15:51:07] <Habbie> OBS Studio was recommended the other week
• 1317[15:51:28] <nkuttler> i think i've used recordmydesktop once
• 1318[15:51:37] <nkuttler> but that's about it..
• 1319[15:51:39] <jmd> I meant on debian.
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• 1322[15:52:20] <jmd> nkuttler: I'll check that out. Thanks.
• 1323[15:53:13] <humpled> but why
• 1324[15:53:32] <Habbie> jmd, 'obs-studio' is the package name for OBS
• 1325[15:53:43] <karlpinc> !search
• 1326[15:53:43] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
• 1327[15:54:00] <karlpinc> I like debtags
• 1328[15:54:51] <jmd> karlpinc: Please don't use bots to reprimand people.
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• 1330[15:55:46] <humpled> huh
• 1331[15:56:04] <nkuttler> indeed, huh. if the factoid is a reprimand, delete it
• 1332[15:56:26] <Habbie> or rephrase it, the content is useful but the first phrase is unfriendly
• 1333[15:57:47] <jmd> OBS looks interesting, but large!
• 1334[15:59:17] <Habbie> jmd, yes
• 1335[15:59:59] <jmd> recordmydesktop says "Your window manager appears to be non-compliant!"
• 1336[16:00:13] <jmd> It doesn't say compliant to what.
• 1337[16:00:31] <Psi-Jack> Well, what window-manager do you use?
• 1338[16:00:37] <jmd> ratpoison
• 1339[16:00:42] <Psi-Jack> Well, no wonder.
• 1340[16:00:48] <jmd> No wonder what?
• 1341[16:01:01] <Psi-Jack> Those minimalist window-managers are very.... Minimal.
• 1342[16:01:09] <jmd> That's why I like it.
• 1343[16:01:24] <EdePopede> may miss needed features
• 1344[16:01:29] <Psi-Jack> ^
• 1345[16:02:01] <jmd> In fact, when I'm doing serious work, I don't use a WM.
• 1346[16:02:09] <EdePopede> you always pay a price, you only decide the currency :)
• 1347[16:02:42] <EdePopede> jmd: plain X?
• 1348[16:02:43] <jmd> Sure. The no-free-lunch theory.
• 1349[16:03:17] <jmd> EdePopede: Right. Sometimes I use a plain X server running a single application.
• 1350[16:03:31] * Psi-Jack cringes.
• 1351[16:03:39] <humpled> how does it even know what size to be?
• 1352[16:03:59] <Psi-Jack> Heck, most apps don't even have a CLI geometry option anymore.
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• 1354[16:04:17] <jmd> humpled: That's one of the advantages. You can decide that rather than having it imposed upon you.
• 1355[16:04:27] <Psi-Jack> Umm..
• 1356[16:04:38] <humpled> i don't have it imposed on me,
• 1357[16:04:43] <Psi-Jack> Nobody does.
• 1358[16:04:43] <Psi-Jack> :
• 1359[16:04:53] <EdePopede> wmctrl and that oder thing may work i guess
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• 1363[16:06:14] <humpled> so you have to guess?
• 1364[16:06:16] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, wmctl, or devilspie/devilspie2
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• 1366[16:06:25] <Psi-Jack> But, still. heh
• 1367[16:06:32] <jmd> No. You just tell it what geometry you want.
• 1368[16:06:41] <Psi-Jack> That's not.. "serious work", that's just inefficient.
• 1369[16:06:44] <humpled> but how do you know what the geometry is?
• 1370[16:06:56] <jmd> I tell it what geometry I want.
• 1371[16:07:13] <humpled> you ignore the screen?
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• 1373[16:08:13] <r00t3v1l> hi
• 1374[16:08:14] <jmd> Well it depends. If I want to optimise the work for a particular screen, then I'll normally choose the geometry of that screen.
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• 1385[16:12:01] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, all while most modern apps don't even have the option to do that on the CLI anymore. :)
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• 1389[16:12:40] <jmd> Psi-Jack: Then those packages need a bug filed against them.
• 1390[16:12:50] <Psi-Jack> Not really.
• 1391[16:12:59] <jmd> Yes. Really.
• 1392[16:13:09] <jmd> Assuming they have a gui.
• 1393[16:13:16] <humpled> "wmctrl - interact with a EWMH/NewWM compatible X window manager
• 1394[16:13:28] <humpled> NetWM*
• 1395[16:13:58] <jmd> Hmm. OBS is wierd.
• 1396[16:14:39] <Psi-Jack> I mean, literally GTK+ apps generally don't have the --geometry or equivalent option at all. :)
• 1397[16:15:04] <jmd> I start it up, and it gives a panel saying I must accept the terms of an "agreement". But when I look at the text, it is not an agreement at all. It is a software licence.
• 1398[16:16:54] <jmd> ... And then when I click on I Agree it just says "error: Failed to initialize video: Unspecified error".
• 1399[16:17:06] <humpled> i can't understand why someone would make a video of their desktop including sound, unless they wanted to pirate a film
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• 1402[16:17:50] <jmd> humpled: One reason might be to make a tutorial/demo of something?
• 1403[16:18:40] <BCMM> humpled: game streaming is kind of a big thing at the moment
• 1404[16:18:54] <EdePopede> still would be nice to have it. eg since a text mode client to pulseaudio doesn't seem to exist u have to use this horrible gtk thing. and everytime after restart i have to put it into position and resize it. and it still is bigger with just 2 displayed channels than the xterm with alsamixer in the past.
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• 1406[16:19:06] <BCMM> i don't see the appeal of most of it, but i can see why you might want to make a video along the lines of "hey, look at this weird thing this game did"
• 1407[16:19:19] <nkuttler> EdePopede: don't use pulse?
• 1408[16:19:23] <Psi-Jack> humpled: Well, I can. And not do pirate film, but to record my desktop for demonstration/instructional video purposes.
• 1409[16:19:26] <BCMM> people also use sound from their mic to narrate whatever it is that they're demonstrating
• 1410[16:20:02] <nkuttler> BCMM: have you not noticed how many people post screenshots of text on irc yet?
• 1411[16:20:09] <EdePopede> nkuttler: had to install it for whatever some time ago. and everything was like "alsa is obsolete, pulse is the new thing"
• 1412[16:20:10] <nkuttler> video is just the next logical step
• 1413[16:20:16] <humpled> :\/
• 1414[16:20:48] <nkuttler> EdePopede: if you don't remember why you need it, maybe you don't?
• 1415[16:21:00] <nkuttler> EdePopede: btw, alsamixer works just fine for me with pulse too
• 1416[16:22:02] <EdePopede> nkuttler: i only remember that i had no sound at all for some time until somehow i got it fixed. and i have no clue at all how sound works in linux anyway.
• 1417[16:22:25] <EdePopede> it's not like you connect some things with cables and you know what's going on
• 1418[16:22:31] <nkuttler> EdePopede: if i had to guess, your device was muted. tends to happen with alsa
• 1419[16:22:42] <nkuttler> !alsa checklist
• 1420[16:22:43] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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• 1424[16:25:06] <EdePopede> why are so many systems anyway?
• 1425[16:25:25] <EdePopede> i remember oss from even before alsa
• 1426[16:26:13] <EdePopede> can i use them all? do i have the free choice what software and hardware will go with what system?
• 1427[16:26:42] <Psi-Jack> Well, OSS had license change issues, hence why ALSA was even born to begin with.
• 1428[16:27:42] <EdePopede> and why did i not only still have alsamixer after installing pulse but also could still use it? and why did SOME things work and others not, so it wasn't 1:1 ?
• 1429[16:28:02] <Psi-Jack> Too vague.
• 1430[16:28:31] <CrystalMath> EdePopede: i still use ALSA
• 1431[16:28:35] <humpled> alsa could only play one thing at a time, pulse is like a mixer on top
• 1432[16:28:37] <CrystalMath> no pulseaudio for me, it sucks
• 1433[16:28:46] <CrystalMath> i try to use it to transfer sound from one machine to another
• 1434[16:28:50] <CrystalMath> but it still sucks
• 1435[16:29:00] <humpled> well it does that too
• 1436[16:29:01] <CrystalMath> it needs realtime or something
• 1437[16:29:16] <CrystalMath> because it's crackles and downsamples
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• 1439[16:29:18] <CrystalMath> all the time
• 1440[16:29:20] <CrystalMath> even locally
• 1441[16:29:21] <humpled> doesn't seem very efficient
• 1442[16:29:29] <EdePopede> humpled: so music stops when you get a call or a shitty website starts yelling at you?
• 1443[16:29:30] <CrystalMath> and xruns
• 1444[16:29:49] <CrystalMath> humpled: ALSA has dmix
• 1445[16:29:54] <CrystalMath> i use that
• 1446[16:29:55] <humpled> well
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• 1448[16:30:35] <CrystalMath> dmix is simple to enable
• 1449[16:30:40] <CrystalMath> and it just works
• 1450[16:31:12] <humpled> i just use alsa on one machine because it only runs mpd, and i notice that mixxx just stops pulse and goes straight to alsa,
• 1451[16:31:22] <CrystalMath> yeah
• 1452[16:31:25] <CrystalMath> because pulse
• 1453[16:31:29] <CrystalMath> is extremely bad and inefficient
• 1454[16:31:39] <CrystalMath> all professional audio software gets rid of it on startup
• 1455[16:31:54] <CrystalMath> that's normal and understandable :)
• 1456[16:32:13] <EdePopede> could it be that pulse is there because opendesktop?
• 1457[16:32:27] <CrystalMath> pulseaudio is just crap, i'm trying to get it to do *something* right and it can't even do that
• 1458[16:32:39] <CrystalMath> i thought the one thing it does well is transfer audio over a network
• 1459[16:32:47] <CrystalMath> but nope, not even that
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• 1461[16:33:11] <CrystalMath> even though it destroys the quality on the local machine, over the network it destroys it doubly
• 1462[16:33:38] <humpled> pulse works pretty nice for mixing different inputs and outputs on the desktop
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• 1464[16:33:45] <CrystalMath> not for me it doesn't
• 1465[16:33:48] <humpled> i don't mind the gui at all
• 1466[16:34:01] <CrystalMath> PA can be controlled from the terminal
• 1467[16:34:11] <CrystalMath> the interface is not the problem
• 1468[16:34:14] <CrystalMath> the audio stuff is
• 1469[16:34:18] <CrystalMath> its design is crappy
• 1470[16:34:21] <EdePopede> it is
• 1471[16:34:26] <EdePopede> i tried it before
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• 1473[16:34:32] <EdePopede> horror cabinet
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• 1475[16:34:47] <CrystalMath> i'm absolutely disgusted by PA's sound design
• 1476[16:34:57] <CrystalMath> it is inferior to JACK in every conceivable way
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• 1480[16:37:06] <CrystalMath> honestly, PA is the worst thing Lennart made, not systemd
• 1481[16:37:28] <CrystalMath> systemd has drawbacks but at least it kinda works, or boots at least
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• 1483[16:37:35] <CrystalMath> it's not ridiculously broken like PA
• 1484[16:37:58] <pingfloyd> yeah, pulse audio is extraneous crap
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• 1486[16:38:45] <pingfloyd> it's so buggy because it's so over-engineered like systemd
• 1487[16:39:21] <jmd> pingfloyd: In other words it's an experiment which escaped from the lab.
• 1488[16:39:57] <pingfloyd> just like systemd it tries to be everything
• 1489[16:40:20] <EdePopede> only not an equalizer
• 1490[16:40:27] <EdePopede> which really would be needed
• 1491[16:40:30] <pingfloyd> yeah
• 1492[16:40:46] <pingfloyd> lots of features nobody cares about, but missing fundamental ones.
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• 1494[16:41:26] <EdePopede> home hifi showed decades ago what is needed and how it should work
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• 1497[16:42:02] <humpled> yay hardware filters
• 1498[16:42:30] <mawk> how many packages total in stable ?
• 1499[16:42:38] <mawk> the stats link on the wiki makes an error
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• 1501[16:42:49] <mawk> replaced-url
• 1502[16:42:52] <pingfloyd> the worst part about them is how so many dists jumped on the dependency bandwagon
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• 1508[16:44:11] <EdePopede> i've been in radio channels through all my irc time. and every moderator who could afford it and took it serious had a hardwaremixer, even if only for the microphone. why not using the system software?
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• 1510[16:44:49] <nifker> does speech-dispatch have a git repo?
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• 1537[17:17:24] <Psyndrome> Hi
• 1538[17:17:40] <jmd> Psyndrome: Ho
• 1539[17:18:30] <Psyndrome> Do the boot manager automatically detects other OS over time?
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• 1542[17:21:31] <Psyndrome> I just installed another OS and because i didnt want to be dual boot i turned off the system during the installation on another hard drive but now the boot manager detects it and im able to switch
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• 1546[17:22:25] <BCMM> Psyndrome: which boot manager?
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• 1548[17:22:41] <BCMM> Psyndrome: do you mean linux's bootloader, or your efi firmware?
• 1549[17:23:25] <Psyndrome> grub loader
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• 1551[17:24:00] <BCMM> if you're using grub on a debian-based system, os-prober will run any time the system decides that grub's settings need to be automatically regenerated
• 1552[17:24:06] <BCMM> usually, that's because you updated your kernel
• 1553[17:24:50] <Psyndrome> So im kind a dual boot now?
• 1554[17:25:11] <hawken> well that's a dualboot
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• 1557[17:25:31] <hawken> os-prober probes around to figure out which OSes are installed
• 1558[17:25:37] <DeaDSouL> I have virtualbox, and I was wondering is it possible to use two nics (iface), one for all direct connections from/to machine (host), and the other to all virtual machines (guests)? for the sake of privacy ?
• 1559[17:25:41] <hawken> any time it runs it has a hook to detect windows for example :)
• 1560[17:25:50] <hawken> you can delete this if you hate it, but it's really nice
• 1561[17:26:36] <hawken> DeaDSouL: definitely possible... you can bridge VMs to the second nic..
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• 1563[17:26:57] <hawken> you may need to create that bridge first, I don't know specifics about virtualbox
• 1564[17:27:11] <DeaDSouL> hawken: and how can I make sure, my physical machine doesn't use any traffic via the second nic?
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• 1566[17:27:43] <hawken> make sure your physical machine does not try to get dhcp on that interface, and maybe also turn off ipv6 on the interface
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• 1568[17:28:00] <Psyndrome> I just was worried if something messed up with any of the OS to be able to delete it safely because i was having troubles in the past
• 1569[17:28:22] <hawken> Psyndrome: if you remove the other os, os-prober will just not find it next time around
• 1570[17:28:35] <hawken> should be fine
• 1571[17:28:40] <DeaDSouL> hawken: thanks
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• 1574[17:29:08] <Psyndrome> Because they are on separate drives?
• 1575[17:29:46] <hawken> You can test this. If you boot the system with only the grub drive in, and you run update-grub, then the second os should disappear from grub
• 1576[17:30:44] <hawken> strictly speaking it doesn't matter if it's a separate physical drive, I think os-prober just goes around checking what is on the different partitions
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• 1578[17:31:46] <Psyndrome> I see so its not much point of what i was trying to do and login bios every time i use each of the systems
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• 1580[17:33:19] <hawken> mhm. grub tends to be more convenient. But I agree on installing OS with only one drive present so you know where the bootloader ends up
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• 1582[17:33:56] <hawken> DeaDSouL: replaced-url
• 1583[17:34:49] <hawken> I'm not super sure about what virtualbox expects, but for libvirt/kvm I can just tell it to place machines on br-vm
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• 1586[17:36:08] <Psyndrome> Looks like im just a moron and even if i delete any of them right now shouldnt be a problem neither do by using grub normally
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• 1588[17:37:26] <Psyndrome> Well thanks a lot for the information
• 1589[17:37:31] <hawken> yw :)
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• 1591[17:38:55] <hawken> DeaDSouL: I gotta ask.. are the two interfaces connected to different networks?
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• 1595[17:44:43] <DeaDSouL> hawken: no, they should connect to the same one
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• 1597[17:45:44] <hawken> DeaDSouL: then the vms can just loop over the switch and talk to your physical machine, no?
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• 1601[17:47:18] <DeaDSouL> hawken: yes, but i wanted to separate all the traffic from my physical machine from the one for virtual machines
• 1602[17:48:27] <hawken> ok then you should be good... don't necessarily see the point but it should work :)
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• 1604[17:48:44] <DeaDSouL> hawken: because I'm going to use docker in them, and in order for them to get a physical IP, I should allow promiscuous, which I read somewhere is not secure.. so, that's why i wanted to separate them
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• 1606[17:49:50] <zojka> do You know how to change default apache page?
• 1607[17:49:54] <macondo> hi everybody, just installed stable, I cannot get into X as user only as root. Got this error: "/home/username/.Xauthority does not exist" connection refused
• 1608[17:50:17] <macondo> any ideas?
• 1609[17:50:23] <annadane> which DE?
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• 1611[17:50:33] <macondo> icewm
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• 1616[17:52:54] <hawken> Hmmmm DeaDSouL... If this happens inside the VM, docker only sees the traffic that the VM sees. If the VM is on a linux bridge with your #1 interface, then the bridge only forwards broadcasts and the VMs traffic..
• 1617[17:53:19] <hawken> so to put it this way, docker may be promisc but the VM is not
• 1618[17:53:37] <hawken> I think you mean net=host when you say promisc in docker, is this correct?
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• 1622[17:54:28] <hawken> I'm saying this because I think it's relevant but of course go ahead with your plan, either way it should work fine :)
• 1623[17:54:54] <DeaDSouL> hwm4rgs: thanks bro :)
• 1624[17:55:04] <DeaDSouL> hawken: thanks bro :-D
• 1625[17:55:08] <hawken> yw :D
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• 1629[17:56:25] <hawken> replaced-url
• 1630[17:56:46] <hawken> personally I would use a bridge, and then you don't need promisc anymore
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• 1632[17:57:57] <hawken> the nice thing with macvlan though is that VMs and host cannot talk together since all their frames are just sent out to the switch, and the switch probably doesn't send packets back out the same interface they came in
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• 1646[18:05:42] <zojka> I have migrated web from Debian 8 to new installation Debian 9.9 where is instead of MySQL ..MariaDB and now I have problem:_ Database connection error (1): The MySQL adapter 'mysql'
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• 1650[18:06:33] <nkuttler> zojka: paste.debian.net the error
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• 1652[18:08:54] <zojka> replaced-url
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• 1654[18:09:46] <zojka> maybe I do not have on the server mysql-client
• 1655[18:11:58] <nkuttler> zojka: that error isn't really useful. which application gives you that, how do you start it, etc
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• 1657[18:13:01] <hawken> is that outdated php? maybe switch to mysqli will fix it?
• 1658[18:13:05] <zojka> nkuttler: Firefox when I access the web
• 1659[18:13:15] <nkuttler> zojka: server side
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• 1661[18:14:19] <zojka> Debian 9.9 (Apache 2.45 ,Server version: 10.1.38-MariaDB-0+deb9u1 - Debian 9.8 )
• 1662[18:15:02] <hawken> zojka: so, something broke in the upgrade? I think whatever webinterface that is, check if there's a newer version available, or modify it to adapt to the new changes. I think newer php does not have the traditional mysql interface, and you have to use mysqli instead..
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• 1664[18:15:04] <zojka> the web itself was build on PHP 5.6 ...on new server is PHP version: 7.0.33-8+0~20190531121058.14+stretch~1.gbpe7d4ff
• 1665[18:15:15] <nkuttler> zojka: which service are you trying to connect to?
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• 1668[18:15:30] <nkuttler> is that just some web app? which one?
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• 1670[18:15:41] <zojka> omg.....I just want to access web after migration to new server
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• 1672[18:16:35] <somiaj> zojka: there are lots of changes from php 5 to 7, it coudl be you need to update your php stuff to be compliant with the new version.
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• 1675[18:17:35] <zojka> in the web directory I changed in 'configuration.php' public $dbtype = 'mysql'; to public $dbtype = 'mysqli';
• 1676[18:17:45] <zojka> and web appeared in the browser
• 1677[18:18:28] <zojka> but for example menu is not vissible...surelly PHP7 breaks many things on the web
• 1678[18:18:47] <zojka> is somehow possible set that the web will use PHP 5.6 ...?
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• 1680[18:19:46] <somiaj> on the web is vague. Webapps coded in php need to be migrated to newer versions of php. The php code that worked in 5.6 may not work in 7.0. What web app is this, is this one you built, your company built, you downloaded from some third party site?
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• 1682[18:21:04] <zojka> somiaj: it doesnt matter...now is goal immediately get the web up...easyest is use PHP 5.6
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• 1684[18:21:34] <somiaj> there is no easy way to use php in stretch. You would have to reinstall jessie and setup php there.
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• 1686[18:21:59] <somiaj> I mean php 5.6. And yes it does matter, the actual app may have updates, or if someone programed it they may need to go update it to run on stretch.
• 1687[18:22:48] <zojka> here I really will not get a help
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• 1689[18:23:08] <zojka> to remake the web is work for weeks....for this is not a time!
• 1690[18:23:40] <somiaj> Debian provides no offical php 5.6 packages for stretch. You can look into unoffical packages but they are not supported here.
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• 1692[18:24:55] <somiaj> In the past thrid party php packages have often been of poor quality, though deb.sury.org looks like one of the better choices. We don't suppor those packages and though they sound reasonable, if they cause problems with your system, they are not supported here.
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• 1695[18:25:31] <somiaj> !deb.sury.org
• 1696[18:25:31] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
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• 1702[18:30:03] <hejux> github clone is extremely slow right now
• 1703[18:30:18] <hejux> can anyone confirm?
• 1704[18:30:35] <nkuttler> hejux: um, ask github support
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• 1707[18:31:57] <hejux> thanks, i just want to confirm.
• 1708[18:32:29] <hejux> im not sure if that's my problem or not
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• 1715[18:40:20] <binaryhermit> would it be fair to say that x86-32 is more used by debian users than (insert random obscure architecture supported by debian)
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• 1717[18:41:27] <somiaj> might depend on if you consider multiarch use or not.
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• 1719[18:41:43] <somiaj> though I suspect arm is moving up fairly quickly.
• 1720[18:42:33] <binaryhermit> the ubuntu discontinuing 32 bit news got me thinking, I guess what I'm saying is x86 debian's likely here to stay for the semi-forseeable future
• 1721[18:42:52] <binaryhermit> or, I think that
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• 1724[18:44:24] <somiaj> Provided matainers and devlopers continue to support it. I think most things don't require much to compile for 32bit, so I don't see it going away any time soon.
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• 1726[18:44:48] <somiaj> I don't think many install it on modern hardware, but a lot use it due to multiarch, and there are still lots of things out there that 32bit multiarch is useful for.
• 1727[18:45:14] <binaryhermit> I guess I mean that there are probably quite a few architectures that have fewer users than 32 bit x86, even without multiarch
• 1728[18:45:27] <somiaj> Though wonder what ubuntu is going to do for 32bit libaries if they don't have a 32bit port, as I suspect many of their users will still want them for wine and other such apps.
• 1729[18:45:44] <binaryhermit> I think they're out of luck
• 1730[18:46:07] <somiaj> you might look at popularity contest, see if it provides arch specfiic info
• 1731[18:46:33] <somiaj> binaryhermit: I suspect ubuntu will still have 32bit libs for 32bit support in amd64, even if they don't provide a full 32bit userland install.
• 1732[18:46:40] <somiaj> but that is #ubuntu to be sure.
• 1733[18:46:44] <binaryhermit> true
• 1734[18:47:54] <apollo13> somiaj: from what I have heard no
• 1735[18:47:57] <binaryhermit> wouldn't surprise me if there are quite a few closed-source windows apps that are 32 bit only right now, but yeah, I'm gonna rop it
• 1736[18:48:07] <binaryhermit> *drop
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• 1738[18:49:03] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 1740[18:49:34] <apollo13> does multiarch count as "usage"?
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• 1742[18:49:51] <somiaj> and I'm unsure of the popularity contest distinguishes between i386 packages being downloaded for multiarch vs pure usuerland.
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• 1744[18:50:21] <binaryhermit> jeez, there's even people using HURD
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• 1747[18:52:18] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 1749[18:52:57] <binaryhermit> I wouldn't install i386 these days without a compelling reason to tbh
• 1750[18:53:20] <somiaj> there are lots of users on older systems still running debian, which is the compelling reason for some.
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• 1753[18:53:44] <binaryhermit> right
• 1754[18:53:57] <somiaj> but 171,032 popcon users in amd64 vs 23,004 popcon users in i386 shows that it is only a small percent
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• 1756[18:55:28] <somiaj> But almost 86% of all popcon users are in amd64, with 11% in i386
• 1757[18:55:39] <somiaj> well 12% rounding
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• 1759[18:56:52] <somiaj> binaryhermit: anyways, I don't see debian droping i386 support any time soon, and if they do it will jsut become unoffical. The biggest issue is how much work/effort it takes to matain it, and I don't think there is much effort to rebuild amd64 software in i386 (though this may change over time)
• 1760[18:57:21] <somiaj> and often cases if a pacakge can't be easily built on another arch, a matainer may just exclude that package, the core stuff has and will still work.
• 1761[18:57:52] <binaryhermit> what's the percentage of, say, mips64el lol
• 1762[18:57:57] <binaryhermit> which has 1 user
• 1763[18:58:19] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 1764[18:58:28] <binaryhermit> true
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• 1766[18:59:00] <somiaj> binaryhermit: I think the other arches are not accuretly represented by popcon, since popcon is probably not something one would want on say an embeded system
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• 1768[18:59:26] <somiaj> it probably gives a good sample of amd64 vs i386, but outsdie of that, I think there is tons of bias.
• 1769[18:59:33] <binaryhermit> I suspect a lot of x86-32 machines are getting retired since there haven't been any 32 bit only intel/amd processors in like 10+ years afaik, or at least mainstream
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• 1771[19:00:06] <binaryhermit> and I suspect that those with download mirror logs could generate better stats
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• 1773[19:00:35] <binaryhermit> well, could, and might, but won't release because it could be seen as a breach of trust
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• 1775[19:01:17] <somiaj> also a lot harder to track indvidual use that way, popcon uses a hash to ensure a more unique ussage.
• 1776[19:01:28] <binaryhermit> true
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• 1779[19:01:47] <somiaj> since often times a large network will only hit the mirrors once and then use a local cacher with apt-cacher-ng for instance.
• 1780[19:02:02] <somiaj> while a home users may hit it multiple times doing lots of reinstalls
• 1781[19:02:03] <binaryhermit> I was gonna say that less eloquently
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• 1784[19:03:08] <somiaj> but popcon is better than nothing, it gives some stats filled with participation bias
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• 1908[20:35:25] <BCMM> somiaj: thing is, taking out "embedded" skews amd64 vs i386, since there are more than a few embedded intel i386 things around
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• 2050[22:38:29] <ZAJDAN> how I can chceck if I have selinux
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• 2052[22:41:55] <jmcnaught> ZAJDAN: according to replaced-url
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• 2056[22:44:35] <ZAJDAN> dpkg -l ...doesnt show something selinux...so seems to be I have not installed
• 2057[22:44:35] <dpkg> No packages found matching ...doesnt show something selinux...so seems to be I have not installed
• 2058[22:45:19] <jmcnaught> ZAJDAN: if you're using Debian it wouldn't be installed or enabled by default. Debian 10 will have apparmor enabled by default, but with a limited set of profiles.
• 2059[22:47:29] <ZAJDAN> ok..thank you for the info
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• 2081[23:00:58] <hypn0> isn't selinux another distro :-/
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• 2086[23:03:32] <booyah> hypn0: no
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• 2089[23:05:01] <revolutionary> hi melpy
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• 2113[23:43:58] <_Vi> Which command shows statistics of installed packages release? I.e. like `apt-cache policy` shows from which suite (testing, stretch, jessie) is given package currently installed, but as statistics for all installed packages.
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• 2117[23:45:42] <phogg> _Vi: what kind of statistics?
• 2118[23:45:49] <phogg> percentage of packages from stable?
• 2119[23:46:21] <_Vi> phogg, Like "you have 30 packages from testing, 1523 packages from stretch, 6 packages from jessie and 84 unknown installed packages".
• 2120[23:46:42] <jmcnaught> There wouldn't be a simple command for that because you're not supposed to mix releases.
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• 2124[23:49:02] <_Vi> Typically more and more testing packages flow into the system (because of too lazy to docker it or build from source), then testing begins going stable, then there is upgrade (but sizeable number of packages held back), then those held packages gradually get removed/upgraded (at the same time new testing packages may flow in). So the system may span 2-3 releases.
• 2125[23:49:18] <phogg> I don't know of anything that does that out of the box, but I am by no means authoritative on that. You could certainly build something on top of dpkg-query.
• 2126[23:49:38] <phogg> jmcnaught: it might still be interesting to know e.g. stable vs. stable-backports
• 2127[23:49:45] <_Vi> I remember running it (I don't remember whether it is a built-in command or just somebody made a script).
• 2128[23:50:17] <jmcnaught> "aptitude -F '%p %v %O' search ~i" might show you
• 2129[23:50:19] <_Vi> Also it showed how many packages was from debian-multimedia (when if was a thing).
• 2130[23:50:31] <phogg> _Vi: yeah, spanning releases is a bad idea. I mean sure for a playground box do whatever makes you happy (I sure do love my frankendebian) but it's really not a good idea for anything that needs to be reliable.
• 2131[23:52:56] <_Vi> How do I make that `aptitude ... search ...` show only the third column?
• 2132[23:53:22] <jmcnaught> _Vi: -F '%O'
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• 2134[23:54:10] <_Vi> Thanks. So the final script is `aptitude -F '%O' search ~i | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn`.
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• 2138[23:55:49] <phogg> I would have gone with %t instead
• 2139[23:56:19] <_Vi> My system seems to be very mixed. stable+oldstable+oldoldstable+testing+custom repos , multiple architectures, backports...
• 2140[23:56:57] <jmcnaught> !frankendebian
• 2141[23:56:57] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
• 2142[23:57:52] <phogg> _Vi: well at least you have no unstable or experimental
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• 2144[23:58:34] <_Vi> I also have a `/nix` with supplementary independent packages installed from NixOS.
• 2145[23:58:37] <jelly> _Vi: in general, dpkg and apt do not know where a package came from once it's installed
• 2146[23:58:45] <phogg> _Vi: that's fine, it doesn't interfere
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• 2148[23:58:51] <_Vi> Fortunately, then do you interfere with Debian by design.
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• 2152[23:59:40] <jelly> if you pick a single release and leave only its sources, you can
• 2153[23:59:42] <jelly> !obsolete
• 2154[23:59:42] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
• 2155[23:59:58] <jelly> !not available
• 2156[23:59:58] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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