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6 [00:02:10] <annadane> vim got a security patch, for all those wondering about it...
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57 [00:36:33] <petn-randall> annadane: the one about modelines, right?
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59 [00:37:28] <annadane> yeah modelines
60 [00:37:52] <petn-randall> Yeah, that was a week or so ago, IIRC.
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62 [00:40:35] <annadane> i just got the email today
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70 [00:44:18] <bigMouthCommie> there is an option is cmatrix to use different fonts. i dont know how to enable that. wheni pass the option, it gives me an error
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79 [00:48:36] <humbot> you really like cmatrix :D
80 [00:48:58] <humbot> have you by any chance seen our good friend nyancat?
81 [00:49:38] <bigMouthCommie> humbot its a neat little util
82 [00:49:55] <bigMouthCommie> and having it interrupt any new terminal is pretty hilarious
83 [00:50:13] <bigMouthCommie> is nyancat a pkg?
84 [00:50:25] <humbot> i've never met anyone who likes cmatrix as much as me
85 [00:50:39] <humbot> i use it as blankerprg for screen sometimes
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87 [00:51:13] <bigMouthCommie> humbot did u see my .bashrc ?
88 [00:51:14] <somiaj> annadane: yea, they finally got the fix into stretch today. Good to see it made it.
89 [00:51:46] <annadane> i should just run sid if it gets security patches quicker :P
90 [00:51:50] <annadane> (kidding, kidding)
91 [00:52:06] <humbot> i saw it when you were getting cmatrix to work with timeout yes, never heard of timeout before today
92 [00:52:29] <somiaj> annadane: sid is fun, it forces you to learn about debian really quick
93 [00:52:43] <somiaj> annadane: my problem is I got a real job and can't dabble with sid anymore...:/
94 [00:52:59] <oakwhiz> I've got an NFSv3 client that's sending out packets bigger than the MTU of its interface... any idea where should I start looking for clues?
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101 [01:02:15] <bigMouthCommie> humbot: omg. nyancat renamed my SCREEN window
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104 [01:03:15] <annadane> i wouldn't mind running sid but i want access to stable on another partition or something just in case things go FUBAR
105 [01:03:21] <annadane> and i have no real need of it anyway
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143 [01:32:39] <rafuch0> hi there quick question, i am running an rm command using ssh like this ssh some@xxx rm /some/path/other/* it returns a not found file or directory error of some files that are not even there anymore and also does not delete the current files that you can view with ls command
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146 [01:33:07] <somiaj> rafuch0: the shell is what expands the *, since this is a shell on your local system, it won't expand the glob
147 [01:33:30] <somiaj> I'm unsure if you quote it, so "rm /some/path/other/*" if the shell on the remote server will expand the blob or not, maybe try with echo first
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149 [01:34:20] <somiaj> I just tested, if you include the * in quotes, the * gets sent to the remote shell, then the remote shell expands the blob.
150 [01:35:02] <rafuch0> man thanks
151 [01:35:10] <rafuch0> i will investigate it
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157 [01:40:37] <rafuch0> somiaj: the weird thing is that it works OK in other paths and other servers when the script runs
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216 [02:28:38] <Crapoto> Hello guys. I want to add my user to the replaced-url
217 [02:29:37] <LtL> Crapoto: log out and log back in for it to take effect
218 [02:31:19] <Crapoto> Oh thanks
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222 [02:33:31] <oem> can someone help to make dns server on ssh 85.255.99.64:22 admin BzZZh4S2AXro ?
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225 [02:34:41] <Crapoto> LtL, it didnt worked
226 [02:35:03] <annadane> !doesn't work
227 [02:35:03] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
228 [02:35:03] <LtL> Crapoto: try adduser user groupname
229 [02:35:11] <tds> Crapoto: what's the output of `id`? does it show the right group?
230 [02:35:11] <annadane> yeah or that
231 [02:35:31] <tds> iirc if you're using apache2 the default permissions won't let replaced-url
232 [02:35:31] <Crapoto> id output: uid=1000(math) gid=1000(math) groups=1000(math),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),33(replaced-url
233 [02:35:46] <Crapoto> i'm using apache2
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235 [02:36:00] <LtL> Crapoto: type groups
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237 [02:36:18] <Crapoto> groups output: math : math cdrom floppy audio dip replaced-url
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239 [02:36:32] <tds> yeah, you're definitely in the group
240 [02:36:36] <oem> 255110 5.20.60.162:22 system OkwKcECs8qJP2Z Lithuania Alytus Alytus 62001 - / - Mbit/s 2019-03-06 Live
241 [02:36:37] <oem> 242945 46.36.72.130:22 admin admin01 Lithuania Telsiai PlungÄ— 90001 - / - Mbit/s 2019-03-06 Live
242 [02:36:37] <oem> 258627 213.197.179.74:22 root Iejei4ax Lithuania Vilnius Vilnius 01213 - / - Mbit/s 2019-03-06 Live
243 [02:36:37] <oem> 249505 78.58.110.204:22 admin admin01 Lithuania Kaunas Kaunas 44001 - / - Mbit/s 2019-03-06 Live
244 [02:36:37] <oem> 258628 85.255.99.64:22 admin BzZZh4S2AXro Lithuania Vilnius Vilnius 01213 - / - Mbit/s 2019-03-05 Live
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247 [02:37:03] <annadane> i've found some group memberships require a full reboot, idk what that's about
248 [02:37:07] <tds> Crapoto: what do permissions on /var/replaced-url
249 [02:37:08] <annadane> or i just did something horribly badly
250 [02:37:12] <annadane> actually i think i know why
251 [02:37:49] <Crapoto> replaced-url
252 [02:38:13] <Crapoto> So permissions are root:root
253 [02:38:16] <LtL> Crapoto: i think tds is correct, belonging to that group will probably not make /var/replaced-url
254 [02:38:30] <LtL> Crapoto: so be root
255 [02:39:09] <Crapoto> Cant i just make replaced-url
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257 [02:40:44] <Crapoto> Maybe should i use the apache mod_userdir ? so i can access the folder with /~user
258 [02:40:49] <Crapoto> replaced-url
259 [02:41:16] <Crapoto> (Sorry i know its a bit offtopic from here)
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261 [02:41:31] <tds> what are you actually trying to do?
262 [02:42:28] <somiaj> rafuch0: it really depends on which shell is globbing the *, and could be conisedence on if the local machine has the same files/paths as the remote.
263 [02:43:49] <Crapoto> Having files served by my apache2 server, whitout the need to be root to edit them etc.
264 [02:44:27] <LtL> Crapoto: you might get better answers in #httpd
265 [02:44:35] <somiaj> Crapoto: You could also put a directory in document root in which your user has write permisions too.
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267 [02:45:20] <somiaj> Crapoto: Is the desire to have the user be able to write stuff, so others can download, or do you need the user to be able to upload files though apache, so apache has write permisions.
268 [02:47:39] <Crapoto> I think i'm going to use the mod_userdir method, thank you guys
269 [02:48:16] <somiaj> Crapoto: anyways, adduser username replaced-url
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271 [02:51:48] <Crapoto> I dont really understand chmod permissions and consequences, so i stay cautious with thoses methods. Maybe that's the solution, but i prefer to go with apache's userdirs
272 [02:52:42] <somiaj> yea, if you just want to enable ~user with public_html that is good
273 [02:52:53] <somiaj> a lot really depends on what else you are hosting, and other users on system.
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281 [03:08:05] <ryouma> in stretch, bootlogd has code rotted? should i remove it? description says to try journalctl -b instead. unfortunately, i was hoping to find out what bolded text flashed by really quickly, and journalctl -b doesn't seem to show that. would anything?
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291 [03:14:10] <annadane> if i've done "openvpn <path to configuration file" and i move that file to another directory will it stop working?
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300 [03:23:46] <ksk> maybe not, you should not do things like that though.
301 [03:24:07] <ksk> first of all, I would think openvpn will only load configs upon startup
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303 [03:24:51] <ksk> then, it might have a FD open, and as far as I know (not too sure) - which will make it use a invisible copy of that file
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317 [03:35:30] <seekr> Can someone advise me on how to get a Debian system to boot into multi-user terminal-only mode (so graphical capabilities are not utilised)?
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328 [03:45:53] <LtL> seekr: # systemctl set-default multi-user.target
329 [03:46:17] <LtL> i think that's what you want
330 [03:46:20] <seekr> LtL: thx
331 [03:46:29] <LtL> welcome seekr
332 [03:47:08] <seekr> I'm chatting with someone now in the ##linux channel - maybe you could go over there to take part in the discussion? I'm getting other suggestions there.
333 [03:47:20] <seekr> I'll relay your suggesting to the others, in any case.
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337 [03:49:18] <LtL> seekr: are you systemd? it certainly will work
338 [03:49:50] <seekr> LtL: It's a very old system: 5.0.8 (lenny) - before systemd came into being
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340 [03:52:55] <LtL> seekr: Then no it won't.
341 [03:53:27] <LtL> update-rc.d something something .. i forget
342 [03:53:36] <seekr> LtL: gotcha - any chance you could come over to ##linux?
343 [03:54:09] <LtL> seekr: i am there, ayecee probably remembers or knows, among others
344 [03:54:11] <seekr> It's just a bit difficult trying to simultaneously talk to people in both channels. :) LtL
345 [03:54:34] <seekr> LtL: yeah - ayecee has been offering suggestions
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349 [03:57:05] <LtL> seekr: what window manager do you use
350 [03:58:03] <seekr> LtL: I'm not using a window manager on that machine now, since I can't run it in graphics mode - I asked a confusing question.
351 [03:58:20] <seekr> Please come to ##linux - I'll talk with you there, LtL
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356 [04:02:30] <The_Shiny_Diamon> Hi. Any reviews for this product in Amazon? I think buying it, but I decided to ask you first. Thanks in advance: replaced-url
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384 [04:32:40] <Black_Panther_98> I will start my Live Show in 10 minutes. Check my sexy body, ass, boobs and pussy. Fastest people will join my Private Live for FREE (First 5 only that message me "Free Invite" in the Cam site)! The fun is GUARANTEED. Join now ---> replaced-url
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389 [04:34:37] <snarfy> Failing debian 9.9 install on new 4K system. Screen goes black after boot into installed base system. See initial dmesg logs, but not for more than about a second. Seems to occur on graphics mode switch. I'm looking for options.
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391 [04:37:14] <met> boot to terminal (recovery mode) and check X logs (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
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403 [05:00:06] <Mystified_> I know this is not exactly the right channel can you guys help with a fresh install of Mx.. I know it's mx, but they dont have channel here.. It's just probably a minor fix..
404 [05:00:09] <Mystified_> replaced-url
405 [05:00:16] <Mystified_> thanks in advance
406 [05:00:47] <Mystified_> it's a fresh install & I changed over the server
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417 [05:12:07] <jmcnaught> !mxlinux
418 [05:12:07] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
419 [05:12:41] <_Random_> :(((
420 [05:12:50] <_Random_> not so nice..
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422 [05:13:02] <jmcnaught> You could always use Debian if you want help in #debian
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424 [05:14:15] <snarfy> Is this the right place for debian install issues?
425 [05:14:22] <jmcnaught> Yes
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427 [05:14:47] <dvs> quatre-vingt oune
428 [05:14:50] <_Random_> bye..
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431 [05:16:11] <snarfy> So can anyone here assist with a failed install? Am thinking it has something to do with video.
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433 [05:17:59] <dvs> snarfy, no one can help you if you don't tell us the errors you're getting. ;-)
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437 [05:20:05] <snarfy> No official error message. Just get black screen after install of base system and reboot.
438 [05:21:04] <jmcnaught> snarfy: can you try doing a non-graphical boot, then you might get access to the syslog to look for errors
439 [05:21:08] <jmcnaught> ?
440 [05:21:13] <snarfy> So, I think I've got a legit install, runs for a second or two, thne black screens at what appears to be the "video mode switch" (my words)
441 [05:21:36] <demo> thanks guys, for your help..just completing live fresh install.. easier than asking for help here.. you guys can play your silly distro politics.. surely no bettere way to wind friends & influence people
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443 [05:22:25] <jmcnaught> I guess I hurt someone's feelings.
444 [05:23:16] <snarfy> I don't think that's a boot option (non-graphical)?
445 [05:23:32] <snarfy> Will look.
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447 [05:24:11] <jmcnaught> snarfy: on the kernel command line add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target"
448 [05:25:41] <snarfy> jmcnaught: ok, only semi-sure I know what you mean... I don't quite understand the logic of kernel command lines. Give me a sec to give it a whirl.
449 [05:26:58] <snarfy> So the menu has a "System setup" item. Assume that's the one I need to edit.
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451 [05:27:41] <jmcnaught> snarfy: at the GRUB boot menu press 'e' on "Debian GNU/Linux" then look for the line that starts with the word 'linux'
452 [05:28:17] <jmcnaught> snarfy: remove the word quiet, and add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target"
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455 [05:29:49] <snarfy> jmcnaught: Ok. Quick question first: Under the "System setup" item, there appear to be 2 separate entry lines. Are these separate "command lines" or all part of one?
456 [05:29:50] <jmcnaught> the "System setup" boot option in GRUB just brings you to your BIOS/firmware
457 [05:30:14] <jmcnaught> just leave "System setup" alone, you want to edit "Debian GNU/Linux" and boot that
458 [05:30:22] <snarfy> k
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460 [05:30:54] <snarfy> for future reference, though, are those different command lines?
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463 [05:32:45] <snarfy> oh, I see, first line is the label, the rest is a shell script
464 [05:32:49] <klys> different grub linux entries will have different kernels & commandlines.
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469 [05:33:38] <snarfy> When I head command line, I think shell.
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472 [05:34:26] <klys> today I have booted grub2 off a floppy disk.
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476 [05:35:30] <dvs> klys, next will be punch cards?
477 [05:35:45] <klys> dvs, it's a tad over 100 MiB.
478 [05:35:57] <dvs> so tape then?
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484 [05:38:07] <snarfy> ok, turned off quiet, and added systemd. Saw more messages before it went blank.
485 [05:39:03] <snarfy> Nothing visible on screen
486 [05:39:06] <jmcnaught> snarfy: okay try a rescue boot then, do the same thing but this time just add the number 1
487 [05:39:45] <jmcnaught> I mean only add the number 1, omit the systemd.unit=
488 [05:40:03] <snarfy> still verbose, I assume
489 [05:40:52] <snarfy> In what sense do you mean rescue boot? It's not a boot menu item.
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497 [05:43:06] <snarfy> Where do I find recovery mode if it's not on the boot menu?
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502 [05:43:57] <jmcnaught> snarfy: I mean the boot the results from editing the kernel command line to have '1' at the end of it, which is short for systemd.unit=rescue.target and boots the system into single-user mode
503 [05:44:34] <snarfy> k
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507 [05:46:12] <jmcnaught> snarfy: if that also gives you a blank screen, you can boot from the debian installer again, and under the advanced part of the boot menu there is a rescue mode
508 [05:46:37] <snarfy> Essentially same results. Am wondering if it's actually running the command line
509 [05:47:10] <jmcnaught> snarfy: after you edit the kernel command line do you press Ctrl+X or F10 to boot?
510 [05:47:17] <snarfy> F10
511 [05:47:57] <snarfy> I'll try Ctrl-X
512 [05:48:33] <jmcnaught> snarfy: okay I would try the rescue mode of the Debian installer, which can get you a shell prompt on the installed system.
513 [05:49:54] <jmcnaught> snarfy: the other option is you could search duckduckgo for your GPU and linux, see if someone else has found other boot options that allow the system to boot
514 [05:51:53] <snarfy> I'll do that if I get desperate. Think it's NVidea
515 [05:52:20] <jmcnaught> "nomodeset" on the kernel command line might help… I don't know a lot about hardware I was just trying to help you get to a point where you could read a log to look for errors
516 [05:52:42] <snarfy> k
517 [05:52:52] <snarfy> will try that
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519 [05:53:38] <snarfy> Had tried something along those lines before coming here, but I must have screwed up the command line.
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524 [05:57:17] <snarfy> Whoa, thought it wasn't working, then got a login screen! Woot!
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532 [05:59:31] <snarfy> Wonder if everything's installed? In days gone by, there was post-reboot work that needed to happen before it was ready to go.
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535 [06:04:00] <snarfy> thanks jmcnaught! I'm pretty much there.
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581 [06:34:11] <jcb2016> do i need firefox-esr?
582 [06:34:18] <jcb2016> im using google chrome atm
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584 [06:36:34] <jmcnaught> jcb2016: It's good to have two browsers, so when one breaks you have another browser to look up how to fix it. Also firefox-esr is probably depended on by whatever desktop task package you're using (if you are using one) and removing those can lead to headaches
585 [06:36:54] <jcb2016> ok
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592 [06:46:51] <jcb2016> is apt show the best way to find out what program depends on what? or is aptitute why and why-not better?
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599 [06:50:42] <jmcnaught> There's also apt depends and rdepends
600 [06:50:54] <jcb2016> didn't know that
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624 [07:04:38] <guru> lua5.3 is already the newest version (5.3.3-1).
625 [07:04:44] <guru> lua -v bash: lua: command not found
626 [07:04:54] <guru> Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? I installed the package
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774 [08:04:33] <mojikun> hey
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778 [08:07:16] <ozzloy> replaced-url
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780 [08:08:04] <ozzloy> i'm trying to run apt-get dist-upgrade which gets stuck while upgrading mariadb because logger fails
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782 [08:08:15] <ozzloy> any advice greatly appreciated
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786 [08:10:10] <ozzloy> replaced-url
787 [08:10:11] <kreyren> I hardbricked my debian buster while trying to get Nvidia mGPU working -> need help (replaced-url
788 [08:10:45] <ozzloy> kreyren, Sign in to GitHub
789 [08:10:46] <ozzloy> to continue to Gist
790 [08:11:01] <kreyren> edit: replaced-url
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792 [08:12:59] <ozzloy> ah, derp
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794 [08:13:13] <kreyren> o.o
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796 [08:13:31] <towo^work> kreyren, nouveau is not the best choice for nvidia gpu
797 [08:13:57] <towo^work> and btw, there is no automatic magical switch between intel and nvidia in linux
798 [08:14:10] <towo^work> so how you have configured your optimus setup?
799 [08:14:11] <kreyren> towo^work: i know, but it should be sufficient for this system.. Ideally i want some effective way to switch between these
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801 [08:14:35] <kreyren> towo^work: installed bumblebee and primus + tried to force modprobe nouveau
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803 [08:15:42] <kreyren> i lack experience with optimus setup if there is something else that needs to be done then let me know
804 [08:15:46] <towo^work> that's not how primus or optimus is working
805 [08:16:36] <towo^work> but nouveau has missing powermanagement so even if you get it working propper, you will not be lucky
806 [08:16:51] <kreyren> proprietary then
807 [08:17:05] <kreyren> i just need working system atm can investigate nouveau later
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809 [08:18:25] <towo^work> with the intel gpu, you would have a working system
810 [08:18:49] <kreyren> it results in Oh No! err atm -> unable to use display manager
811 [08:18:55] <towo^work> and btw, optimus hardware is the most worse choice for linux
812 [08:19:16] <kreyren> noted, this is backup system for backup
813 [08:19:43] <towo^work> remove the nouveau module
814 [08:19:57] <kreyren> how? it's using binary kernel
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816 [08:20:12] <kreyren> from linux-image package
817 [08:20:16] <towo^work> kreyren, how you have forced it to load?
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820 [08:20:33] <kreyren> modprobe nouveau in tty before
821 [08:20:52] <towo^work> then reboot the system to unload it
822 [08:21:06] <towo^work> for normal desktop use, you don't need the dGPU
823 [08:21:09] <kreyren> did that already this issue is present after reboot
824 [08:21:38] <towo^work> remove bumblebee and primus
825 [08:21:52] <towo^work> blacklist the nouveau module
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827 [08:23:10] <kreyren> modprobe.blacklist=nouveau is present in /etc/default/grub and grub has been updated, bumblebee and primus removed
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829 [08:23:36] <mojikun> do i have to update/recreate initramfs when i change kernels?
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831 [08:24:18] <kreyren> towo^work: reboot ?
832 [08:24:18] <towo^work> mojikun, changing kernels?
833 [08:24:41] <towo^work> if you install kernels with apt/dpkg, the initramfs is generated automatic
834 [08:24:47] <mojikun> towo^work, if i use a newer kernel oh
835 [08:24:47] <towo^work> kreyren, sure
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838 [08:25:13] <kreyren> towo^work: rebooting, thanks for help in advance
839 [08:25:17] <mojikun> towo^work, or if i compile it manually and do, make, make install && make modules_install
840 [08:25:23] <mojikun> in that cae i have to update-initramfs?
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842 [08:26:06] <towo^work> yes, but that's a bad way for installing newer kernels in debian
843 [08:26:25] <towo^work> bypassing the package management is allways a bad idea
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851 [08:31:04] <kreyren> towo^work: same issue
852 [08:31:18] <towo^work> then provide Xorg.0.log
853 [08:32:15] <kreyren> towo^work: replaced-url
854 [08:32:54] <kreyren> possible gnome issue?
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857 [08:34:25] <towo^work> maybe gnome <==> modesetting ddx
858 [08:34:35] <towo^work> i would try the intel-ddx instead
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860 [08:35:00] <kreyren> or i can try openbox which is preffered anyway
861 [08:35:14] <towo^work> or that
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864 [08:36:23] <kreyren> rebooting
865 [08:37:47] <mojikun> towo^work, by the way is the System.map file still used?
866 [08:37:58] <mojikun> is it necessary besides debugging the kernel?
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913 [09:18:02] <rocketmagnet> hi again, i've a sd-card reader but not all slots are working - what do i need to make all work ?
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952 [09:41:47] <queip> since today, suddenly vim (in debian 9 - stable) stopped syntax highlight, that is, if I open many files, and cycle through them using :bn then after going through all files and back to 1st it stops syntax highlight. like wtf ???!!!
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955 [09:44:46] <fredl> Did you install any updates today queip ?
956 [09:45:12] <queip> fredl: yes, there was upgrade of vim now
957 [09:46:48] <fredl> Vim now ships with a defaults.vim file which, when the user has no vimrc,
958 [09:46:48] <fredl> enables some options that have historically been disabled by default. This
959 [09:46:48] <fredl> is described in more detail at ":help defaults.vim".
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962 [09:48:00] <fredl> Do you have your own vimrc?
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969 [09:50:28] <fredl> sorry about that, do you have your own vimrc queip?
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974 [09:52:05] <queip> fredl: no
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977 [09:52:32] <fredl> so then perhaps the (documented) change causes your issue?
978 [09:52:46] <queip> fredl: which one?
979 [09:52:55] <queip> seems like a bug
980 [09:53:00] <fredl> The one I just copy/pasted.
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983 [09:53:15] <fredl> Well, often what one calls a bug the other calls a feature :)
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985 [09:53:59] <queip> fredl: it fails equally on a user that has ~/.vimrc
986 [09:54:10] <fredl> have you checked :help defaults.vim ?
987 [09:54:12] <vlt> Hello. How do I reload the hostname after editing /etc/hostname so that `apt install ssmtp` will work when it runs `hostname --fqdn`?
988 [09:55:26] <queip> $VIMRUTIME/defaults.vim script is loaded. This will set 'compatible' off,
989 [09:55:32] <queip> switch on syntax highlighting and a few more things.
990 [09:55:41] <queip> seems that if anything it would turn ON the hl, not OFF
991 [09:55:46] <queip> fredl:
992 [09:55:49] <fredl> I'm not the author of vim queip, so I'm not sure what was the motivation behind that change in the NEWS.Debian.gz
993 [09:56:36] <fredl> You could easily ask for the reason behind it on #vim of course.
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995 [09:57:24] <Fox> vlt: edit /etc/hosts as well
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997 [09:58:09] <fredl> If you believe it to be a bug, #vim would also be the best place to go to actually
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999 [09:59:43] <vlt> Fox: What do I put there?
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1043 [10:33:02] <queip> reporting bugs by email to debian is broken
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1046 [10:33:45] <queip> it worked previously
1047 [10:34:07] <queip> (when sending emails to submit@bugs.debian.org)
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1072 [10:53:36] <Fox> vlt: <IP> toto.example.com toto
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1088 [11:02:35] <Sepultura> anyone knows why UNIX uses '\n' and Windows and DOS uses \r\n as Escape for New Line=
1089 [11:02:36] <Sepultura> ?
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1091 [11:02:48] <nevyn> ancient history
1092 [11:03:35] <pldiem> hi
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1094 [11:03:48] <pldiem> I have the following issue I do have some script
1095 [11:03:58] <pldiem> where I would like to do something like this
1096 [11:04:03] <pldiem> gnome-terminal -- /bin/bash -c "git add -e $file"
1097 [11:04:03] <pldiem> read -p "Press [Enter] key to continue..."
1098 [11:04:28] <pldiem> unfortunately running gnome-terminal terminates my script
1099 [11:04:35] <Sepultura> nevyn: Windows 10 also accepts c:/path/to/executable now :D
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1101 [11:04:38] <nevyn> Sepultura: replaced-url
1102 [11:04:57] <pldiem> how could I do that without terminating my script?
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1105 [11:05:41] <nevyn> Sepultura: it turns out that lf + cr was requried as a hack for the terminal equipment of the day to prevent the 1st char of the newline being printed while the head was moving back to the 1st col
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1107 [11:06:35] <nevyn> pldiem: do it in a tux or screen subterminal?
1108 [11:07:52] <pldiem> you meant tmux?
1109 [11:08:23] <valerius> Sepultura a typewriter required two actions: carriage return and line feed, hence two symbols. It seems, textmode terminals used two actions too. Though, for text files '\n' is more economic, the files got a bit shorter.
1110 [11:08:56] <han-solo> # gnome-terminal -- /bin/bash -c "git add -e $file; bash" # don't kill me
1111 [11:09:45] <colo-work> where's kylo ren when you need him?
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1114 [11:11:36] <pldiem> @han-solo that's not what I want, I want to keep my script running, the one which opened new window
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1119 [11:14:00] <tachikomas> pldiem: run it in a screen
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1129 [11:19:12] <pldiem> tachikomas: can you give me some example?
1130 [11:19:25] <pldiem> screen "git..."
1131 [11:19:29] <tachikomas> What you want is having your bash running even if you quit your terminal right ?
1132 [11:19:31] <pldiem> does really nothing for me
1133 [11:19:40] <pldiem> nope
1134 [11:19:47] <tachikomas> What do you want then ?
1135 [11:19:56] <pldiem> I have a script
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1137 [11:20:16] <pldiem> which opens another terminal with some command
1138 [11:20:27] <pldiem> I want my script to pause
1139 [11:20:42] <pldiem> until I finish doing something in external terminal
1140 [11:20:52] <pldiem> I go back to my previous terminal
1141 [11:20:54] <pldiem> as I wrote
1142 [11:20:58] <pldiem> gnome-terminal -- /bin/bash -c "git add -e $file"
1143 [11:20:58] <pldiem> read -p "Press [Enter] key to continue..."
1144 [11:21:05] <pldiem> I want something like that
1145 [11:21:12] <tachikomas> do you need another terminal open ?
1146 [11:21:42] <pldiem> no, but I thought of that as a workaround
1147 [11:21:48] <pldiem> because just running
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1149 [11:21:54] <pldiem> git add -e $file
1150 [11:21:58] <pldiem> break on vim
1151 [11:22:20] <pldiem> Vim: Warning: Input is not from a terminal
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1153 [11:22:25] <pldiem> and some errors
1154 [11:22:48] <pldiem> I can paste the whole output if it will help
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1157 [11:23:21] <tachikomas> i just dont get what you want to achieve at the end
1158 [11:23:29] <tachikomas> git add -e from vim ?
1159 [11:23:30] <nevyn> oh just pre-populate the commit message
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1161 [11:23:45] <nevyn> -e is the problem here.
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1164 [11:24:18] <tachikomas> definetly
1165 [11:24:20] <pldiem> -e option allows me to add hunks to commits
1166 [11:24:30] <pldiem> and that what I won't
1167 [11:24:42] <tachikomas> "The intent of this option is to pick and choose lines of the patch to apply, or
1168 [11:24:43] <pldiem> to do that it needs to open some editor, in my case vim
1169 [11:24:43] <tachikomas> even to modify the contents of lines to be staged.
1170 [11:24:55] <pldiem> exactly
1171 [11:25:00] <pldiem> that is what I want
1172 [11:25:09] <pldiem> simple adding and commiting
1173 [11:25:12] <pldiem> works fine
1174 [11:25:26] <pldiem> I want my script to allow me partial commits
1175 [11:26:05] <tachikomas> why you dont git add . && git commit -am "commit message" ?
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1177 [11:26:36] <pldiem> it will commit all the changes in the file
1178 [11:26:47] <pldiem> I want only selected changes to be commited
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1185 [11:30:06] <vlt> Hello. I installed texlive-xetex and now got a huge /usr/share/doc/texlive-doc of more than 1 GB. What is this? Needed for xelatex to work or "just" documentation? Can I remove this?
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1188 [11:32:31] <vuks> Hello. I need to update a program to a version above what apt can get for me, so I want to build it from source. Do I need to remove the old program before building?
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1294 [12:50:40] <mrtnt> I'm running Apache on Debian. Are there any advantages of using Apache virtual hosts(<VirtualHost> directive) if only a single domain is served?
1295 [12:53:01] <ihristov> Yes, for example you can easily configure more vhosts after your initial setup without interrupting the current site
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1299 [12:55:25] <mrtnt> ihristov: ok. And I guess there are no disadvantages of using virtual hosts other than maybe bit more complex configuration?
1300 [12:56:04] <ihristov> From my perspective I can't see any disadvantages, only advantages
1301 [12:56:40] <ihristov> You can host in future multiple domains on single IP using SNI and the appropriate TLS certificates and so on
1302 [12:57:12] <ihristov> You can even have multiple version of let's say php and configure each vhost to work with different version using fpm
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1310 [13:00:54] <f8e3> after xfce4 + deb10 testing this week, i get a blank screen on tty7 with underscore (_) but no login, where is the lightdm? log file to debug?
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1312 [13:01:31] <mrtnt> ihristov: ok, thanks!
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1314 [13:02:14] <ihristov> mrtnt You're welcome :)
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1317 [13:02:38] <towo^work> f8e3, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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1322 [13:05:40] <kreyren> Need help replaced-url
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1324 [13:06:25] <towo^work> kreyren, again, try the intel-ddx instead of the modesetting-ddx
1325 [13:06:40] <kreyren> checking
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1328 [13:06:58] <kreyren> towo^work, more info?
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1330 [13:08:04] <kreyren> xf86-video-intel package?
1331 [13:08:32] <kreyren> edit: xserver-xorg-video-intel
1332 [13:10:02] <towo^work> make sure that package is installed, then do
1333 [13:10:03] <netcrash> vuks: you can compile it to a directory of your own using ./configure --prefix=xxx , but the program installed may cause confusion to which should be used
1334 [13:10:28] <kreyren> towo^work, said package installed
1335 [13:10:30] <towo^work> kreyren, mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "intel"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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1342 [13:13:32] <kreyren> towo^work, sanity: replaced-url
1343 [13:13:43] <kreyren> assuming lspci | grep VGA
1344 [13:14:01] <kreyren> or `01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK104M [GeForce GTX 870M] (rev a1)`
1345 [13:14:09] <towo^work> kreyren, why you hve nvidia driver installed?
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1348 [13:14:24] <vuks> I've removed the old version of transmission and compiled the new one. Except now transmission-daemon reports version 2.94, and transmission-cli reports 2.92. Web access reports 2.92 as well (this is a headless rpi)
1349 [13:14:26] <towo^work> why you don't start with intel before playing with that optimus crap?
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1351 [13:14:42] <kreyren> towo^work, bcs i dont know what i'm doing and tried to self-diagnose it
1352 [13:14:53] <towo^work> i'm out here since optimus is the greatest crap on earth
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1354 [13:15:23] <kreyren> towo^work, willing to provide reference for me to make custom mobo for this ntb instead?
1355 [13:15:34] <kreyren> would purge it if i could
1356 [13:15:45] <ishanjain28> towo^work: get rid of optimus maybe?
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1358 [13:15:57] <towo^work> ishanjain28, i do not have optimus
1359 [13:15:58] <diogenes_> towo^work, i actually think that optimus is super cool.
1360 [13:16:06] <towo^work> and would never buy that crap
1361 [13:16:09] <diogenes_> i'm using it and i'm very satisfied.
1362 [13:16:14] <ishanjain28> My laptop is plugged in most of the time so I have not set it up on any of my machines.
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1364 [13:16:38] <kreyren> like something that is able to run on iGPU while dGPU is not needed that is foss-friendly would be cool..
1365 [13:16:53] <kreyren> this ntb eats too much of power while dGPU is in use
1366 [13:17:56] <diogenes_> kreyren, yes and this also prevents your motherboard from uneeded overheat since it's using intel most of the time and only when you need some extra 3d acceleration, you fire up the discrete gpu, isn't that cool?
1367 [13:18:34] <kreyren> diogenes_, it's not because i'm about to smash it with hammer before it runs on linux without beeing huge pita
1368 [13:18:40] <f8e3> towo^work, it says (EE) xfce4 modeset failed to set mode invalid argument; if i drop to tty2 plugin and remove external screen and then go back to tty7 the login shows up, it loocks like the default is bad but upon detaching it sth. reconfigures and it works; how to fix that?
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1370 [13:19:00] <diogenes_> kreyren, why is it huge pita for you?
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1373 [13:19:26] <kreyren> diogenes_, because it's doesn't work? it's not switching to dGPU correctly
1374 [13:19:40] <kreyren> diogenes_, relevant replaced-url
1375 [13:19:52] <kreyren> replaced-url
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1377 [13:20:38] <diogenes_> kreyren, and: lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
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1379 [13:21:02] <kreyren> diogenes_, replaced-url
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1384 [13:21:57] <diogenes_> kreyren, you tried with proprietary driver and that borker the system, try with nouveau.
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1386 [13:22:51] <kreyren> diogenes_, tried nouveau before which is preffered assuming it can run as 80% of proprietary and stable else proprietary
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1393 [13:24:53] <diogenes_> kreyren, there is a little neat tweak that cam make nouveau run at 95% performance as proprietary.
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1395 [13:25:13] <kreyren> tell me and i will warship it
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1397 [13:25:45] <diogenes_> kreyren, i will, just a sec.
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1406 [13:29:37] <diogenes_> kreyren, first of all purge all the proprietary nvidia, make nouveau load and work correctly, verify it with: DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer", and the neat little trick is the following: edit /etc/default/grub and this: nouveau.config=NvClkMode=15 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=, reboot. To make sure the performance is increased, run: DRI_PRIME=1 glxgears before and fter you applied the trick and see the FPS difference.
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1409 [13:30:09] <kreyren> checking
1410 [13:30:43] <diogenes_> after adding that line don't forget to: sudo update-grub
1411 [13:31:04] <kreyren> diogenes_, can you help me make nouveau work? assuming bumblebee, primus needed?
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1413 [13:32:15] <diogenes_> kreyren, we can try but only if we make sure your card is at least capable of running with nouveau.
1414 [13:32:27] <diogenes_> so after you confirm the procedure above works, we can try.
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1417 [13:32:55] <kreyren> grub updated: replaced-url
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1422 [13:33:32] <kreyren> diogenes_, sane to purge those? replaced-url
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1424 [13:33:54] <diogenes_> yes
1425 [13:34:42] <kreyren> removing
1426 [13:35:10] <kreyren> aptli | grep nvidia resutls in replaced-url
1427 [13:35:59] <towo^work> apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/nvidia/{ print $2}')
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1429 [13:36:11] <diogenes_> yo can safely remove all nvidia occurences on your system
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1431 [13:36:30] <kreyren> invoking towo^work's command in 30 sec
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1433 [13:37:39] <kreyren> followup with apt autoremove
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1435 [13:37:59] <kreyren> new aptli: replaced-url
1436 [13:38:17] <kreyren> can i unblacklist nouveau on runtime?
1437 [13:38:19] <f8e3> above my head, for record: replaced-url
1438 [13:38:23] <kreyren> (currently blacklisted)
1439 [13:39:14] <diogenes_> kreyren, yes you must unblacklist nouveau and run: sudo update-initramfs -u
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1441 [13:39:30] <kreyren> `DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"` returns `OpenGL renderer string: llvmpipe (LLVM 7.0, 256 bits)` btw
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1443 [13:40:04] <diogenes_> kreyren, nothing will change unless you unblacklist nouveau and reboot.
1444 [13:40:11] <diogenes_> purging nvidia needs a reboot.
1445 [13:40:21] <kreyren> rebooting in 30 sec then
1446 [13:40:45] <towo^work> and as long the intel graphics does not work propper, dri offloading even can't work
1447 [13:41:12] <kreyren> towo^work, any suggestions before reboot?
1448 [13:41:22] <kreyren> `intel-microcode` is installe dunno what more is needed on debian
1449 [13:41:39] <kreyren> sanity: intel-microcode/testing,now 3.20190514.1 amd64 [installed]
1450 [13:42:32] <diogenes_> kreyren, your intel driver works correctly don't worry.
1451 [13:42:41] <kreyren> diogenes_, safe to reboot then?
1452 [13:42:46] <diogenes_> yes
1453 [13:42:48] <kreyren> rebooting
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1457 [13:44:33] <kreyren> diogenes_, rebooted
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1460 [13:45:02] <kreyren> DRI_PRIME...glxinfo returns - replaced-url
1461 [13:45:25] <diogenes_> kreyren, is it DRI_PRIME=1?
1462 [13:45:42] <kreyren> diogenes_, yes
1463 [13:45:55] <diogenes_> lsmod | grep nouveau
1464 [13:46:12] <kreyren> diogenes_, replaced-url
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1466 [13:46:43] <diogenes_> lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
1467 [13:46:56] <kreyren> diogenes_, replaced-url
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1469 [13:47:51] <towo^work> lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
1470 [13:48:09] <towo^work> dGPU is not a VGA adapter
1471 [13:48:23] <kreyren> note that sysyem was started with nouveau.config=NvClkMode=15
1472 [13:48:27] <diogenes_> towo^work, mine shows both.
1473 [13:48:38] <diogenes_> kreyren, that's ok.
1474 [13:48:39] <kreyren> towo^work, replaced-url
1475 [13:48:55] <towo^work> diogenes_, then it's not optimus, aka muxless
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1477 [13:49:16] <kreyren> it is optimus based on manufacturer's site
1478 [13:49:20] <kreyren> assuming GTX870m
1479 [13:49:54] <kreyren> relevant: replaced-url
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1481 [13:50:24] <towo^work> kreyren, i talked about diogenes_
1482 [13:50:28] <towo^work> not about yours
1483 [13:50:33] <diogenes_> kreyren, ok here's how we find out, download something like mx linux, write it to usb, run live session off of a usb and there run: DRI_PRIME=1 bla bla bla... and let's see if it shows up in there because only saint IGNUssius knows what else you have changed on the system.
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1485 [13:51:41] <kreyren> diogenes_, log of `history` if it helps replaced-url
1486 [13:51:42] <kreyren> oh
1487 [13:51:46] <kreyren> replaced-url
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1489 [13:52:30] <diogenes_> kreyren, i don't have all the time in the world that's why a live session will put an end to all the wonderings and questions.
1490 [13:52:41] <kreyren> downloading mx linux as we speak
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1492 [13:53:15] <kreyren> diogenes_, sufficient? replaced-url
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1494 [13:54:16] <kreyren> of if mx linux runs on ramfs as life session i can use drivedroid?
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1496 [13:54:34] <diogenes_> kreyren, that link is ok so go for it.
1497 [13:55:06] <diogenes_> also they have an excellent script that installs nvidia with bumblebee that works out of the box with no hassle of whatsoever.
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1503 [13:57:43] <kreyren> diogenes_, noted, preparing bootable disk
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1516 [14:06:17] <kreyren> diogenes_: i'm on MX Linux live
1517 [14:06:32] <kreyren> used toram option booted from drivedroid using android phone tell me what to do
1518 [14:06:41] <diogenes_> wow what internet speed you have to download it so fast, 100mbps?
1519 [14:06:48] <kreyren> 0,5G/s
1520 [14:06:51] <kreyren> atm
1521 [14:07:07] <kreyren> and it was downloading from 50ms/s wifi >.>
1522 [14:07:11] <kreyren> *mb/s
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1524 [14:07:21] <diogenes_> run that command: DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
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1526 [14:08:05] <kreyren> diogenes_: replaced-url
1527 [14:08:17] <kreyren> ah wait mb
1528 [14:08:24] <kreyren> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile
1529 [14:08:54] <kreyren> mb again: `OpenGL renderer string: NVE4`
1530 [14:09:02] * kreyren doesn't know how to use mxlinux proper
1531 [14:09:04] <diogenes_> yes that text shows: OpenGL renderer string: NVE4
1532 [14:10:24] <kreyren> meaning?
1533 [14:10:37] <diogenes_> so we officially stated now that your card work fine with nouvea, it doesn't work on your debian system because of some misconfigs you have instroduced, what i would advice you now, if only you could make a partition or even a separate drive to install mx linux on and run their nvidia-installer and see if you get it running there iwth the prorietary drivers.
1534 [14:10:58] <diogenes_> if it does then just copy all bumblebee configs and apply them in debian.
1535 [14:11:24] <kreyren> can i install mxlinux from live session?
1536 [14:11:34] <diogenes_> of course you can.
1537 [14:11:42] <kreyren> how?
1538 [14:11:43] <diogenes_> there is the installer on the desktop.
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1541 [14:11:52] <kreyren> ah i see, installing
1542 [14:12:25] <kreyren> is 20G sufficient for MXlinux?
1543 [14:12:30] <kreyren> btrfs?
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1546 [14:13:59] <diogenes_> more than sufficient.
1547 [14:14:02] <diogenes_> but no
1548 [14:14:11] <diogenes_> i'd stay away from btrfs.
1549 [14:14:16] <diogenes_> go with ext4.
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1552 [14:15:37] <kreyren> it errors out on my /home using xfs for some reason -> using root of MX18
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1554 [14:16:19] <diogenes_> kreyren, use root for home too
1555 [14:16:33] <diogenes_> don't make a separate home for mx, leave it for debian.
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1557 [14:16:52] <kreyren> diogenes_: separate /boot too?
1558 [14:16:56] <diogenes_> and be VER CAREFUL not to format your home, i'd recomment backup first.
1559 [14:17:23] <kreyren> diogenes_: non-separate /boot (using same /boot for debian and exherbo)
1560 [14:17:25] <diogenes_> no need for separate /boot unless you are using encryption.
1561 [14:17:49] <diogenes_> basically, for mx you only need / and /boot/efi
1562 [14:17:53] <diogenes_> if you use efi system.
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1564 [14:18:11] <kreyren> using /boot on root then
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1566 [14:18:36] <diogenes_> and it's not the same boot for debian and mx, it will boot with the mx one but grub will see the debian one too.
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1568 [14:20:48] <kreyren> diogenes_: noted
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1570 [14:21:20] <kreyren> diogenes_: mxlinux installed booting in 30 sec
1571 [14:21:28] <diogenes_> ok
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1574 [14:21:56] <diogenes_> i assume you've got an ssd, it was superfast.
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1577 [14:22:47] <darxmurf> is it possible to install 2 3Tb SATA disks in RAID1 on an old non EFI system and boot on that ?
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1579 [14:23:00] <darxmurf> I'm traing to but it looks a bit complicated
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1581 [14:23:05] <darxmurf> can't install grub
1582 [14:23:11] <kreyren_> diogenes_, booted mxlinux checking
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1587 [14:24:24] <kreyren_> diogenes_, thanks for help btw
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1589 [14:24:51] <diogenes_> kreyren_, no problem, let's see if it was useful, now in the menu look for nvidia installer.
1590 [14:25:11] <kreyren_> diogenes_, invoked apt update, upgrade and dist-upgrade btw
1591 [14:25:15] <kreyren_> checking nvidia installer
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1593 [14:25:41] <kreyren_> nvidia installer openned new terminal and requested password, proceed?
1594 [14:25:56] <diogenes_> yes
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1596 [14:26:31] <kreyren_> diogenes_, results in replaced-url
1597 [14:26:46] <kreyren_> continue with `yes`?
1598 [14:26:52] <diogenes_> enter
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1601 [14:27:09] <kreyren_> > Would you like to check MX Test Repo for a later version?
1602 [14:27:18] <kreyren_> > nvidia-optimus detected
1603 [14:27:38] <diogenes_> kreyren_, wait we went a bit offtopic, type in here in the chat: /j ##MX-Linux
1604 [14:27:44] <diogenes_> and let's continue there.
1605 [14:27:46] <kreyren_> ok
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1629 [14:47:47] <humpled> reboot
1630 [14:47:54] <humpled> heheh oops
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1633 [14:48:11] <watom> is "@reboot" prefix in crontab of debian supported? it's like not working here
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1635 [14:49:00] <ksk> watom: regarding "man 5 crontab" - yes it is ;)
1636 [14:49:05] <colo-work> watom, it is supported, and coumented in crontab(5)
1637 [14:49:12] <colo-work> documented*
1638 [14:49:14] <ksk> "@reboot Run once, at startup."
1639 [14:49:16] <colo-work> (it's too effin' hot)
1640 [14:49:28] <watom> oh. i always forgot about secondary man pages
1641 [14:49:38] <watom> how i open it?
1642 [14:49:49] <ksk> watom: see what I wrote.
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1644 [14:49:59] <watom> great. i'm sorry
1645 [14:50:04] <ksk> also, "man man" ;)
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1647 [14:51:14] <ksk> most of the manpages have a "see also" section at the bottom, indicating how to go on - crontab(1) does refer crontab(5) for example.
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1650 [14:52:29] <watom> well apparently somehow doesn't like scripts that use the network. even if i've got a "sleep 5m;" before it
1651 [14:52:34] <watom> and my system get up in 1 min
1652 [14:52:47] <ksk> watom: take a look at systemd. use after=networking or so..
1653 [14:52:50] <ksk> (welcome to 2019)
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1657 [14:54:28] <ksk> watom: replaced-url
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1659 [14:54:52] <watom> yeah i don't think is the network being down since i've got the delay. it should be something else. maybe the "uname" command that the script is using is not available at that moment. also is hard to test since i need to reboot the system every time
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1663 [14:55:19] <ksk> systemd introduces dependencies in between units (~= services), so you can say "only start this service, If network came up successfully" etc pp.
1664 [14:55:57] <ksk> without us knowing what your script contains its hard to tell. uname should be available at all times though I think..
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1666 [14:56:23] <ksk> also, try adding debug-output to your script, to figure things out ;)
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1718 [15:20:33] <DanteD> Anyone running debian testing (10 'buster')? Any major issues?
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1721 [15:21:12] <greycat> replaced-url
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1723 [15:22:06] <somiaj> DanteD: buster is only a few weeks from release, and is mostly ready to go. There are still some rc bugs one may run into, but for the most part it should work like a stable relese.
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1728 [15:23:12] <NetTerminalGene> DanteD, i am using. no problem so far
1729 [15:23:32] <NetTerminalGene> i have been using since first freeze
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1731 [15:24:20] <greycat> I had no problems at home, and the NIS-related problems at work, since apparently all the cool kids stopped using NIS.
1732 [15:24:20] <DanteD> Ok, great.
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1788 [16:02:23] <ikus060> I'm running a survey about backup software to learn more about what people are using to do their backup and why they are using it. I invite individual and business to answer the survey. replaced-url
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1800 [16:08:01] <xormor> how should I be able to "make" coreutils in either Raspbian or Debian 10 "buster"? they require some system tools that I found out hard to download and I could not install them. the programming language is "C". I want to compile "ls.c" from (GNU) coreutils in Debian.
1801 [16:08:16] <greycat> !source
1802 [16:08:16] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
1803 [16:08:47] <greycat> That's missing the build-dep step.
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1808 [16:10:05] <greycat> dpkg, source =~ s/edit/retrieve dependencies with <apt-get build-dep>; edit/
1809 [16:10:05] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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1813 [16:13:31] <plouj> Is it possible to install a package with dpkg -i <local-file> and make sure that all of the virtual packages that correspond to it are also downgraded?
1814 [16:13:50] <greycat> !apt install
1815 [16:13:50] <dpkg> You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
1816 [16:14:00] <greycat> *Down*graded?!? No.
1817 [16:14:30] <greycat> If you mean dependencies, and upgraded, then yes. With apt or apt-get, not with dpkg.
1818 [16:15:08] <plouj> No, I mean downgraded
1819 [16:15:22] <greycat> !downgrade
1820 [16:15:22] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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1824 [16:17:35] <plouj> Let's say I have gcc-8.4 (virtual package) installed, but I need to use gcc 8.2 so I download gcc-8-8.2.deb. If I try to dpkg -i gcc-8-8.2.deb it downgrades the non-virtual gcc-8 package, but leaves the virtual gcc package at the undesired 8.4 version :/
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1826 [16:18:38] <greycat> ,v gcc-8
1827 [16:18:40] <judd> Package: gcc-8 on amd64 -- buster: 8.3.0-6; sid: 8.3.0-7; experimental: 8.3.0-13
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1831 [16:19:01] <netcrash> ,v php
1832 [16:19:02] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
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1834 [16:19:18] <greycat> Is this example entirely fabricated, or is there a gcc-8.4 package somewhere in post-buster?
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1836 [16:21:42] <plouj> greycat: It's real, but I just came up with easier to type version numbers
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1838 [16:22:46] <plouj> The real case is that in Cosmic I have cpp-8.3.0-6~ (virtual) installed, but I need to install cpp-8_8.2.0-7ubuntu1_amd64.deb (and all of its dependencies)
1839 [16:23:05] <greycat> If your ACTUAL goal is to have gcc 8.2 and gcc 8.3 coexisting on buster, you have a few choices. You could set up a chroot environment and install gcc 8.2 in that environment. You could install gcc 8.2 from upstream sources in /usr/local or /opt.
1840 [16:23:10] <greycat> WHAT IS A COSMIC
1841 [16:23:21] * greycat reads ubuntu on the next line
1842 [16:23:24] <greycat> you're in the wrong chanel
1843 [16:23:30] <plouj> greycat: No, I don't want two different GCCs. I just need one, but that is older
1844 [16:23:34] <greycat> *plonk*
1845 [16:23:41] <plouj> greycat: is Ubuntu using a different package manager than Debian?
1846 [16:23:42] <greycat> !ubuntu
1847 [16:23:42] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1850 [16:24:19] <plouj> I have the exact same problem in Debian Jessie, just different package versions
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1856 [16:26:05] <victorqueiroz> After installing mesa drivers from stretch-backports I can no longer authenticate through Xorg and Wayland can't play videos through VLC. How can I fix this? I'm using a Radeon RX 590
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1858 [16:26:35] <greycat> stretch has wayland?
1859 [16:27:16] <greycat> Hmm, looks like it does have some packages with wayland in their names. Never heard of anyone actually using it.
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1863 [16:29:29] <somiaj> some gnome users have been using it as a system preview, but like most system previews, until it becomes default most wno't be using it.
1864 [16:30:08] <somiaj> victorqueiroz: do you also ahve the kernel and firmware for the radeon from backports?
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1867 [16:30:20] <victorqueiroz> I see. This is my Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
1868 [16:30:23] <victorqueiroz> somiaj: Yes.
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1870 [16:31:03] <victorqueiroz> somiaj: On my ThinkPad that has integrated graphics card, it works fine.
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1874 [16:32:57] <somiaj> victorqueiroz: your issues is vesa is runnign not radeon
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1876 [16:33:10] <somiaj> it can't find the kernel drm or kms module. What does lsmod | grep radeon give
1877 [16:33:23] <somiaj> or check dmesg to see if you can figure out why the kernel modesetting module radeon is not loading.
1878 [16:33:56] <somiaj> I found this at the 8.233 timestamps with the EE lines
1879 [16:33:57] <victorqueiroz> somiaj: lsmod | grep radeon give me an empty response. Very strange!
1880 [16:34:18] <somiaj> try dmesg | grep radeon or modprobe radeon then dmesg, try to hunt down why that moduel isn't loading
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1883 [16:35:14] <victorqueiroz> somiaj: Isn't the driver named "amdgpu". When I "dmesg | grep amdgpu" this is the output: replaced-url
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1886 [16:35:48] <greycat> radeon and amdgpu are different drivers, for different chipsets
1887 [16:36:00] <somiaj> ahh yea, for the newer card it is amdgpu
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1889 [16:36:27] <victorqueiroz> This is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file: replaced-url
1890 [16:36:28] <somiaj> but for some reason xorg isn't even trying to use amdgpu, it is only try radeon
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1892 [16:37:01] <victorqueiroz> I'm going to try to remove vesa and radeon drivers
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1896 [16:38:04] <somiaj> I doubt that is the issue, even with that xorg.conf file, that xorg log never even tries to use the amdgpu driver.
1897 [16:38:26] <somiaj> though unsure if its the amdgpu driver or modesetting driver (which it does try) that is needed
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1899 [16:39:21] <somiaj> anyways I gotta go, but yea xorg isn't even trying the amdgpu driver for some reason
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1923 [16:56:21] <tsglove> Any insights into "snaps" ?? I always install everything via apt-get.... yet wondering what this snap thing is all about.
1924 [16:57:19] <annadane> snaps are from canonical AFAIK and people have said they prefer flatpaks because snaps install things in non standard locations
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1926 [16:57:42] <tachikomas> and snaps update by themselvs without user interaction by default
1927 [16:57:56] <tsglove> Oh yeah hell no with that.
1928 [16:57:56] <greycat> It's for third party vendors to distribute a single bloated mega-package-thing that can be installed on Arch or Ubuntu or Fedora or SuSE or Debian, and still have a chance of working, at the cost of including a duplicate of every shared library in the bundle.
1929 [16:58:16] <tsglove> And even hell no to all of that then.
1930 [16:58:22] <tsglove> jesus
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2002 [17:31:51] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: Let's start with the basics. lspci -nn, post the pciid
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2007 [17:34:45] <victorqueiroz> Well I just accidentally executed dd on my btrfs partition!!!!
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2010 [17:35:11] <victorqueiroz> Is it unrecoverable? I believe it was kept running for 5 seconds or so
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2032 [17:48:33] <annadane> btrfs... uh, i'd try a rollback, i guess?
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2035 [17:51:34] <annadane> i don't know whether or not btrfs keeps its rollback mechanisms in an independent location such that even if you destroy the partition it can be recovered
2036 [17:51:37] <annadane> i'm not an expert
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2042 [17:55:37] <hans_> victorqueiroz, 5 seconds of dd? is it an SSD?
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2044 [17:55:58] <victorqueiroz> hans_: I stopped the process and saw it was one of my 2TB hard drive!!
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2047 [17:57:58] <hans_> some of your stuff is deleted, most of it is probably recoverable, but try asking in the #btrfs channel
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2051 [17:58:54] <Piraty> he? how can debian jessie have openssl-1.0.1t when openssl.org only has 1.0.1s
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2053 [17:59:00] <Piraty> replaced-url
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2055 [17:59:23] <greycat> ,v libssl1.0.0
2056 [17:59:23] <Piraty> oh my bad, it's 1.0.2
2057 [17:59:24] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u11
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2061 [18:01:59] <annadane> presumably the reason you'd even choose btrfs for a filesystem in the first place is due to its snapshot abilities
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2065 [18:02:10] <annadane> so you probably have one or two images?
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2068 [18:02:29] <greycat> that's a lot of presumption
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2070 [18:02:48] <morf> hello, anybody having dell Inspiron 5482 & issues with freezing / slugish os ... possibly related to iwlwifi : replaced-url
2071 [18:02:51] <annadane> it is but i mean...
2072 [18:02:57] <greycat> don't most people choose it because it's unstable and will make their life more challenging?
2073 [18:03:01] <morf> ... or similar model ... pls let me know, thx
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2076 [18:06:02] <duri`> hi, I need to install this replaced-url
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2078 [18:06:06] <duri`> I successfully installed python 3.7 from deadsnakes ppa
2079 [18:06:08] <duri`> but even after the installation, when I do `sudo aptitude install python3-spot` (one of the packages in the library), I get "python3-spot: Depends python3 (>= 3.7~) but 3.6.7-1~18.04 is installed
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2081 [18:06:12] <duri`> I even ran update-alternatives to make python3.7 default
2082 [18:06:15] <duri`> how can I force apt/apt-get/aptitude to realize that I already have python3.7 installed and the dependencies for the "unstable" version are met?
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2084 [18:06:22] <ksk> !ubuntu
2085 [18:06:22] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2091 [18:09:06] <duri`> ksk: okay, I believe this is not Ubuntu-specific but related to apt instead. but I understand the point.
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2099 [18:10:03] <ksk> duri`: that might or might not be true, depending on if ubuntu did some changes to these specific parts - which we do not know.
2100 [18:10:38] <greycat> plus we don't have any idea what this PPA might have done
2101 [18:10:41] <greycat> Debian does not use PPAs
2102 [18:11:43] <ctcx> greycat: I tried something foolish: using cp to copy to multiple destinations using wildcards. cp dir1/files dir2/* , where I meant with * all directories inside dir2. Didn't work, yet echo $? gave 0, as if nothing wrong. Could you help me understand what happened? Did I put at risk my entire file system or something?
2103 [18:12:41] <greycat> Is the last item in the expansion of dir2/* a directory?
2104 [18:13:21] <ctcx> All items inside dir2 are directories.
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2106 [18:13:35] <ctcx> Also tried "dir2/*/"
2107 [18:13:57] <greycat> so you have cp a b c d e f g dir
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2110 [18:14:05] <greycat> this will try to copy all of the things except dir, into dir
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2114 [18:16:21] <ctcx> greycat: sorry, my bad yet again. dir1 and dir2 only have directories inside. I wanted to copy all directories inside dir1 inside all directories inside dir2. And I tried "cp -r dir1/* dir2/*/"
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2117 [18:16:56] <greycat> each glob is expanded to N things. now you have 2N things. they are all one big list of things. cp does not know that you originally started with two globs.
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2119 [18:17:12] <greycat> you have cp thing1 thing2 thing3 thing4 ... adirectory
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2122 [18:17:27] <greycat> since cp receives more than 2 arguments, the last argument MUST be a directory
2123 [18:17:33] <greycat> since the last argument is a directory, everything is fine
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2125 [18:18:12] <greycat> since you ALSO used -r, it's fine that thing1, thing2, thing3, and so on are directories.
2126 [18:18:19] <greycat> there is no error here as far as cp can see
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2132 [18:19:54] <ctcx> Yet it didn't work
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2134 [18:20:20] <greycat> You asked me to explain why cp did not flag an error.
2135 [18:20:25] <ctcx> All directories inside dir2 are empty
2136 [18:20:27] <ctcx> Ah
2137 [18:20:37] <greycat> You didn't ask me to tell you how you SHOULD have done it.
2138 [18:20:47] <ctcx> Yes, sorry.
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2140 [18:21:00] <ctcx> I already searched how I should do this.
2141 [18:21:06] <ctcx> So I won't ask that.
2142 [18:21:29] <ctcx> So, cp didn't flag an error, but it didn't work like I expected.
2143 [18:21:40] <ctcx> Was that all? No harm to my system or the like?
2144 [18:22:03] <greycat> only if you filled up a file system with all the incorrect copying
2145 [18:22:11] <greycat> or accidentally overwrote something
2146 [18:22:22] <pldiem> hi, I try to run: git add -e <file> which should open vim and I am getting following error
2147 [18:22:23] <pldiem> hint: Waiting for your editor to close the file... Vim: Warning: Input is not from a terminal
2148 [18:22:24] <pldiem> Vim: Error reading input, exiting...
2149 [18:22:24] <pldiem> Vim: Finished.
2150 [18:22:24] <pldiem> error: There was a problem with the editor 'vim'.
2151 [18:22:24] <pldiem> fatal: editing patch failed
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2153 [18:23:25] <ctcx> "Only if I filled up a file system".... only if I had copied to, say, root / ?
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2155 [18:23:39] <ctcx> (Also, I didn't overwrite anything)
2156 [18:23:53] <ctcx> I was working all inside a test directory called "tests"
2157 [18:23:54] <greycat> All you did was copy stuff incorrectly. The only things you can break that way are the things that can be broken by copying stuff.
2158 [18:24:10] <ctcx> Ahh, ok.
2159 [18:24:13] <ctcx> Thanks sir.
2160 [18:24:51] <ctcx> So then, I guess I didn't do serious harm to my server, just something incorrectly done, and I need to review bash usage
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2167 [18:30:06] <khronosschoty> hi where can I find debian 8
2168 [18:30:19] <khronosschoty> I can find debian 6 and older and debian 9
2169 [18:30:23] <khronosschoty> but can't find 8
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2172 [18:31:46] <annadane> what do you mean by "find" debian 8
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2174 [18:31:50] <annadane> you mean to download i guess
2175 [18:31:59] <khronosschoty> yeah
2176 [18:32:08] <khronosschoty> I want to deboostrap it
2177 [18:32:14] <khronosschoty> but can't find the sources for it
2178 [18:32:53] <LtL> khronosschoty: replaced-url
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2180 [18:33:29] <khronosschoty> thanks
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2183 [18:34:30] <plouj> what is the difference between gcc-# and gcc-defaults packages?
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2186 [18:34:49] <plouj> (where # is some number)
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2190 [18:37:12] <LtL> khronosschoty: this is likely what you want, replaced-url
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2192 [18:37:31] <plouj> eg replaced-url
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2195 [18:38:25] <khronosschoty> thanks
2196 [18:38:37] <pldiem> hi, I am trying to run "git add -e <file>" from a bash script
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2198 [18:38:57] <pldiem> I am getting
2199 [18:38:59] <pldiem> hint: Waiting for your editor to close the file... Vim: Warning: Input is not from a terminal
2200 [18:39:07] <pldiem> Vim: Error reading input, exiting...
2201 [18:39:11] <pldiem> Vim: Finished.
2202 [18:39:22] <pldiem> error: There was a problem with the editor 'vim'.
2203 [18:39:26] <pldiem> fatal: editing patch failed
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2205 [18:39:44] <pldiem> any ideas how to resolve it?
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2208 [18:41:39] <greycat> well, we got one new detail this time... he's doing it from a bash script. too bad he won't say anything vitally important, like whether the script is being run inside a terminal.
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2210 [18:42:04] <annadane> pldiem, please try not to hit enter so often, put information in fewer lines of text
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2212 [18:42:17] <maav> !seen calguy7
2213 [18:42:17] <dpkg> i haven't seen 'calguy7', maav
2214 [18:42:18] <pldiem> I was kicked out previously
2215 [18:42:19] <annadane> or paste long output messages
2216 [18:42:20] <pldiem> :)
2217 [18:42:23] <greycat> most of it is a dump of the error, which is across multiple lines
2218 [18:42:31] <annadane> ...into a pastebin, that is
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2221 [18:42:59] <pldiem> I did expect to be kicked out for 5 lines
2222 [18:43:04] <pldiem> *I didn't
2223 [18:43:22] <pldiem> that is all I get
2224 [18:43:37] <pldiem> the script is run inside a terminal
2225 [18:44:05] <greycat> Well then, the editor should be able to run normally, unless you have redirected stdin or stdout....
2226 [18:44:07] <pldiem> it is gnome-terminal
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2228 [18:44:35] <greycat> The error says input. Did you redirect stdin? Did you PIPE something to git add -e?
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2231 [18:45:12] <pldiem> it is inside the while loop, might be the issue?
2232 [18:45:34] <greycat> Is the while loop redirecting stdin?
2233 [18:45:35] <pldiem> no PIPE, simply: git add -e <file>
2234 [18:45:44] <pldiem> works without -e
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2236 [18:46:41] <pldiem> while loop is reading from the file, reads files to commit and some other info
2237 [18:46:54] <greycat> so you have while read .... done < file ?
2238 [18:47:01] <pldiem> yes, indeed
2239 [18:47:05] <greycat> That's why.
2240 [18:47:19] <pldiem> :)
2241 [18:47:29] <greycat> You have two choices. Redirect git </dev/tty or use a file descriptor other than stdin for the while loop's file redirection.
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2243 [18:47:51] <pldiem> <&3filename?
2244 [18:47:55] <pldiem> something like that?
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2246 [18:48:04] <greycat> while read -r things <&3; do ...; done 3< file
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2248 [18:48:25] <pldiem> ok, let me try that
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2257 [18:53:11] <khronosschoty> strange I must just not understand how to pass a link to deboostrap
2258 [18:53:12] <pldiem> greycat: it is better now
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2260 [18:53:25] <pldiem> now I am getting .ADD_EDIT.patch.swp" already exists!
2261 [18:53:42] <greycat> perhaps one of the error-spewing vim processes left it behind
2262 [18:53:58] <pldiem> I will try to remove it
2263 [18:55:12] <greycat> make sure no vims are actually runnig
2264 [18:55:55] <pldiem> ok, removed and another test went well
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2267 [18:56:01] <pldiem> I will play with it more
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2269 [18:56:09] <pldiem> but looks very promising
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2271 [18:56:24] <pldiem> greycat: thank you so much!
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2273 [18:57:14] <pldiem> I was even trying to open another terminal running this command
2274 [18:57:35] <pldiem> unfortunately it was terminating my script
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2290 [19:07:51] <khronosschoty> is anyone familiar with this error when using debootsrap "Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-x86_64/Packages"
2291 [19:09:30] <themill> sounds like you've made up an architecture that doesn't exist
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2293 [19:10:01] <khronosschoty> I figured it out
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2296 [19:10:05] <khronosschoty> thanks
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2305 [19:13:50] <jhutchins_wk> khronosschoty: Are you pointing to an iso file instead of a repository?
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2308 [19:15:09] <khronosschoty> no I just failed to properly parse certain bits of info and was passing the wrong arch ... passing x86_64 instead of amd64... properly terminology in this case is amd64
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2310 [19:16:57] <Soo_Slow> does anybody there use spacefm? Is there a way to disable some of default menu (available via right mouse button) entries?
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2313 [19:19:15] <Soo_Slow> or is there any other stable lightweight file manager with gui? (thunar isnt stable enough when it comes to work with pluggable storages (phones, flash cards and such) and archives. No idea about current state of pcmanfm)
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2389 [20:04:09] <jhutchins_wk> Soo_Slow: There's mc - but I don't have any problems with thunar on stretch.
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2392 [20:04:53] <Soo_Slow> jhutchins_wk, mc doesnt have gui. No graphical interface == no drag'n'drop. Which is critical for me
2393 [20:05:27] <somiaj> apt search filemanager (you should have plenty to choose from)
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2396 [20:06:11] <somiaj> actually apt search 'file manager'
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2400 [20:08:39] <mojikun> fu
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2407 [20:10:21] <Soo_Slow> there may be plenty, but they all kinda meh. Nautilus, nemo and the-one-mate-uses are more than heavy due to lot of dependencies (including gvfs). Same goes for dolphin. Thunar is unstable as heck (based on my own experience). Mc, ranger and such doesnt have gui. What s left, aside from spacefm? doublecmd with buggy interface?
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2409 [20:10:47] <Soo_Slow> no idea if pcmanfm got any better tho
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2413 [20:12:02] <DammitJim> do you guys know if wicd supports 2 wired interfaces?
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2421 [20:13:54] <emyd> hi
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2423 [20:14:44] <emyd> i try to chroot into a second debian installation to run update-grub but it's 64bit while the currently booted one has 32bit
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2425 [20:14:51] <Soo_Slow> DammitJim, out of curiosity - is wicd better than networkmanager? Never heard about this project before your post
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2427 [20:15:43] <emyd> ofc it fails: chroot: failed to run command ???/bin/bash???: Exec format error
2428 [20:15:52] <DammitJim> I actually don't know... I've been using wicd for about a decade and have never looked for anything else besides connman
2429 [20:16:11] <emyd> is there another way to add this partition to grub.cfg ecept adding it manually?
2430 [20:16:12] <DammitJim> but I only looked at connman because enlightenment uses that for their wifi module
2431 [20:16:19] <emyd> *except
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2433 [20:16:30] <DammitJim> it's an easy interface when setting up static IP addresses and whatnot
2434 [20:16:35] <DammitJim> (wicd that is)
2435 [20:16:42] <greycat> emyd: you'll need to be *in* the 64-bit kernel/system.
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2437 [20:16:49] <DammitJim> I might need to bond the 2 interfaces to make it 1
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2439 [20:17:08] <greycat> emyd: the 64-bit system can chroot into both, but the 32-bit system can only chroot into 32-bit. So make the 64-bit one the dominant one.
2440 [20:17:29] <jhutchins_wk> Soo_Slow: No, wicd was ahead for a while but has been much worse for 2-3 releases now.
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2442 [20:17:40] <emyd> ok, so i need to edit the current grub config to boot into it?
2443 [20:17:49] <Soo_Slow> jhutchins_wk, DammitJim I see
2444 [20:17:51] <Soo_Slow> thans
2445 [20:17:55] <Soo_Slow> *thanks
2446 [20:17:55] <DammitJim> jhutchins_wk, I haven't ran into issues, yet... LOL
2447 [20:18:01] <DammitJim> pretty stable in Debian Jessie
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2449 [20:18:06] <DammitJim> not sure about buster, yet
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2451 [20:18:45] <emyd> maybe i should boot a 64bit live system to chroot from there and run updategrub?
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2453 [20:18:54] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: Yeah, it's one of those "if it works, it works" things. I find NM smoother, and NM is more likely to work with your chipset these days. There are some that wicd doesn't see even though they're supported.
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2455 [20:19:41] <greycat> emyd: with two linuxes booting from the same disk, only *one* of them should ever be the one to update the GRUB configuration. In your case that should be the 64-bit one.
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2459 [20:20:20] <greycat> If you add a new kernel to the 32-bit system, you'll want/need to boot the 64-bit system and run update-grub there, to update the menu with the 32-bit *and* 64-bit kernels.
2460 [20:20:30] <DammitJim> ouch
2461 [20:20:47] <somiaj> emyd: you'll have to install a 64bit kernel, then boot off that if the 32bit kernel you are using doesn't have 64bit compadablity.
2462 [20:20:55] <DammitJim> jhutchins_wk, when you say network manager.. is that what runs behind nm-applet?
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2464 [20:21:08] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: Yes.
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2466 [20:21:22] <DammitJim> cool
2467 [20:21:27] <somiaj> greycat: there are 64bit kernels for the 32bit userland install.
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2469 [20:21:53] <Tenkawa> multiarch kernels right?
2470 [20:22:04] <somiaj> Tenkawa: basically
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2472 [20:22:34] <jhutchins_wk> I think NM passed wicd around squeeze (6).
2473 [20:22:55] <emyd> ok, i'm a bit scared to overwrite the current grub but i have a 64 live system to chroot.
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2476 [20:23:43] <somiaj> emyd: I can't seem to find the kernel name, but there is a 64bit kernel avaialbe in the i386 debian port.
2477 [20:23:47] <emyd> i could also copy the kernel from the 64bit partition to the shared /boot partition and select that in grub.cfg
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2480 [20:24:16] <emyd> somiaj: that sounds worth a try, will ask apt
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2482 [20:24:45] <somiaj> hmm, maybe they stopped making them, as I'm not finding them on p.d.o anymore (didn't realize this)
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2485 [20:25:18] <somiaj> probably you have to enable multiarch on the 32bit system, and then just install a 64bit kernel (but it can run your 32bit userland just fine)
2486 [20:25:37] <somiaj> I think my memeory was before multiarch was finalized when they had a separate 64bit kernel in the i386 port.
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2488 [20:25:42] <DammitJim> is this the right doc to follow for bonding 2 interfaces for Debian Buster? replaced-url
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2494 [20:28:57] <greycat> somiaj: we're getting old ;-)
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2496 [20:29:26] <ozzloy> replaced-url
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2499 [20:30:46] <jhutchins_wk> ozzloy: Start with the syntax from the man page.
2500 [20:31:21] <greycat> You don't even need to be root to run logger. Most daemons *aren't* root.
2501 [20:31:39] <ozzloy> jhutchins_wk, "logger [options] [message]"?
2502 [20:31:48] <greycat> I think the question is "what happened to his systemd-journald"
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2510 [20:36:18] <ozzloy> ok, well the same thing happens if i don't use sudo for logger test
2511 [20:36:39] <ozzloy> jhutchins_wk, syntax for which command?
2512 [20:36:53] <greycat> as expected, if your systemd-journald is dead or dysfunctional
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2514 [20:37:34] <greycat> have you tried basic diagnostics on that? ps -ef | grep journald or systemctl status systemd-journald or whatever
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2516 [20:37:38] <f3r70rr35f> hi!
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2523 [20:43:12] <ozzloy> greycat, jhutchins_wk, thanks for help
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2530 [20:46:30] <ozzloy> replaced-url
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2536 [20:47:27] <greycat> If you can't figure out what's wrong, you might have to ask #systemd.
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2538 [20:47:52] <greycat> it's not a problem I've ever heard of anyone having before
2539 [20:47:52] <ozzloy> good idea. i'm reading some search results first
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2545 [20:50:24] <jhutchins_wk> ozzloy: I believe you need to specify which log to write to. Been a few years since I used it.
2546 [20:50:47] <greycat> no, you don't
2547 [20:50:55] <greycat> just run "logger test" as yourself
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2549 [20:52:22] <emyd> ok, i ran mkinitramfs and update-grub in the 64bit chroot but grub selects the wrong kernel version in grub.cfg
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2551 [20:52:37] <ozzloy> yeah, still getting connection refused for that. it prevented an apt upgrade because a package failed to configure
2552 [20:52:42] <DammitJim> man, I just confused myself
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2557 [20:53:14] <DammitJim> do I need a bridge or a bond to have 2 wired interfaces be 1 (they'll never be connected at the same time)
2558 [20:53:15] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, ok, current logger defaults to syslog (messages).
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2563 [20:55:21] <emyd> the 32bit system boots fine with the new config. i think i will just copy the entry for the 64bit system and edit the kernel version
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2569 [20:57:03] <f3r70rr35f> hello!
2570 [20:57:29] <f3r70rr35f> does anyone knows an alternative to the weavedconnectd/remot3.it service?
2571 [20:57:58] <f3r70rr35f> I tried doing reverse ssh tunneling to connect to a remote machine, but this solution is unstable ...
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2578 [21:00:43] <emyd> when i tried to boot into the 64bit system the lvm volumegroup couldn't be found. is this configured in the kernel/initrd?
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2583 [21:03:10] <emyd> can i test somehow if the current grub config would work with this partition without rebooting?
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2599 [21:11:56] <vuks> Is there a way for me to point apt to a program's version in testing? Need a version that's not in stable.
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2601 [21:13:51] <vuks> specifically, it's about transmission on Raspbian (debian stretch). Stretch only has 2.92 available, but I noticed there's 2.94 for all architectures in the testing section
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2606 [21:15:52] <humpled> apt pinning can do that
2607 [21:16:10] <humpled> no guarantee that it will work though, depends totally on the dependencies
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2615 [21:19:07] <elm_> I need to record some audio but gnome-audio-recorder does not work at me (assert failed).
2616 [21:19:31] <elm_> Is there a similarely simple program that works with modern /dev/sdn/* devices?
2617 [21:19:45] <elm_> bplay requires /dev/dsp which I do not have
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2627 [21:25:20] <rant> elm_: you could try audacity
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2629 [21:26:35] <rant> or just use sox
2630 [21:26:40] <rant> ,i sox
2631 [21:26:41] <judd> Package sox (sound, optional) in stretch/amd64: Swiss army knife of sound processing. Version: 14.4.1-5+deb9u1; Size: 135.1k; Installed: 203k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2634 [21:28:12] <rant> replaced-url
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2636 [21:28:52] <jhutchins_wk> vuks: It's usually a bad idea to mix releases. Check to see if it's in backports. If not, /msg dpkg ssb
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2640 [21:29:51] <rant> ,v transmission
2641 [21:29:52] <judd> Package: transmission on amd64 -- jessie: 2.84-0.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.84-0.2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.92-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.92-2+deb9u1; buster: 2.94-2; sid: 2.94-2
2642 [21:29:56] <jhutchins_wk> vuks: easiest way to check backports is /msg judd v <package>
2643 [21:30:12] <rant> !raspbian
2644 [21:30:12] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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2646 [21:30:38] <userxresu> Anyone have experience / opinions on Debian/BSD?
2647 [21:31:02] <jhutchins_wk> vuks: Yeah, all rules are off for Raspian, may or may not colply with Debian.
2648 [21:31:08] <jhutchins_wk> comply
2649 [21:31:17] <vuks> so there's that - buster: 2.94-2
2650 [21:31:45] <rant> userxresu: connect to irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org and join #debian-kbsd
2651 [21:32:09] <jhutchins_wk> ,checkbackport transmission
2652 [21:32:10] <judd> Backporting package transmission in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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2655 [21:34:36] <vuks> so how would I go about installing that backport? dpkg only says to check for backport and then explains how to do something else
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2658 [21:35:43] <annadane> userxresu, this is a support channel, i'd ask elsewhere if there are actual technical questions being asked right now
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2671 [21:42:01] <ozzloy> i'm on debian 9.9, but kernel 3.2.0 for some reason. how do i figure out what's keeping the kernel at such an old version?
2672 [21:42:31] <greycat> What architecture are you on?
2673 [21:42:47] <greycat> you'll want to install (probably) linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-686-pae
2674 [21:42:53] <ozzloy> amd64
2675 [21:42:58] <greycat> the first one, then
2676 [21:42:59] <ozzloy> uname -r -> 3.2.0-4-amd64
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2678 [21:43:17] <greycat> linux-image-amd64 is a metapackage that depends on the current stable kernel package
2679 [21:43:24] <ozzloy> why wouldn't that just happen automatically?
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2682 [21:43:42] <greycat> For whatever reason, the installer assumes that you do not want newer kernels.
2683 [21:43:55] <ozzloy> how do i found out that reason?
2684 [21:44:08] <greycat> Ask the debian-installer team?
2685 [21:44:14] <greycat> !d-i
2686 [21:44:14] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch is now the "stable" Debian release. See replaced-url
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2688 [21:44:37] <ozzloy> also, is linux capable of upgrading the kernel without rebooting the system yet?
2689 [21:44:45] <greycat> Debian is not.
2690 [21:44:58] <ozzloy> dang
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2692 [21:45:38] <ozzloy> so debian 9.9's default kernel is 3.2.whatever and i have to specifically ask for newer ones
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2694 [21:46:00] <greycat> No. You have a WHEEZY kernel still.
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2696 [21:46:09] <ozzloy> o dang
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2698 [21:46:24] <greycat> wheezy = 3.2, jessie = 3.16, stretch = 4.9, buster = 4.19
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2700 [21:46:32] <ozzloy> ok, i'll see if i can convince apt that i would like a stretch
2701 [21:46:36] <ozzloy> kernel
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2704 [21:48:21] <ozzloy> this is a virtualized machine
2705 [21:48:41] <greycat> well, installing linux-image-amd64 should work
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2707 [21:48:50] <ozzloy> ok, i'll give that a shot
2708 [21:49:05] <greycat> if you need to build dkms kernel modules for guest additions or whatever, then you may need to install headers also
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2711 [21:50:05] <ozzloy> it would be funny if the install fails because of systemd-journald
2712 [21:50:11] <emyd> ok, did it. thanks for all your help!
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2718 [21:51:57] <ozzloy> apt install linux-headers-amd64 is going. will reboot soon. if i don't come back, tell my wife i love her!
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2732 [21:58:46] <jhutchins_wk> vuks: It's a bit of a chore, dpkg tells you how to do your own backport.
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2735 [21:59:42] <jhutchins_wk> vuks: If it's not urgent, you can always check with your paclaging team and ask them to backport it. Debian has a mailing list where you can request a backport, I don't know about Raspian - that would be a different team.
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2740 [22:02:09] <ws2k3> so a crash my debian wont boot anymore i end up on grub rescue, tryed to boot from (hd0,msdos1 but i get unknown filesystem. so i booted a rescue disk ran fsck then mounted it and chrooted into it update-grub gives me /usr/sbin/grub-probe unknown filesystem. but it still says found linux image and found initrd image. but grub-install /dev/sda says error:unknown filesystem. i can ls on the
2741 [22:02:09] <ws2k3> filesystem just fine(ext) what could be wrong here
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2753 [22:11:16] <f8e3> is it ok to install .deb images (not from the sources.list repos) ?
2754 [22:11:22] <f8e3> like replaced-url
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2756 [22:11:45] <rant> f8e3: its not supported here, and you should have a good reason for it
2757 [22:11:58] <ws2k3> f8e3 sure. only they are not officialy trusted. but remember that it wont be updated automaticly.
2758 [22:12:20] <rant> f8e3: are you on buster?
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2760 [22:12:23] <ws2k3> f8e3 so for me it would be a reason to not go down that path cause it wont be updated(but that a personal choice)
2761 [22:12:52] <f8e3> reason fo rposting or installing it? on deb9 (had lightdm bug modeset: unkown argument)
2762 [22:13:13] <NetTerminalGene> how are we able to install deb files if there is no key? shouldn't it block installing?
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2764 [22:13:55] <rant> NetTerminalGene: it will give you a warning
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2766 [22:14:01] <f8e3> so rather go the sudo apt-key add oracle_vbox_2016.asc way?
2767 [22:14:02] <rant> if you proceed, thats up to you
2768 [22:14:05] <ws2k3> NetTerminalGene i think key are for repo's not for packages. but i could be wrong
2769 [22:14:06] <greycat> NetTerminalGene: apt checks keys, dpkg does not
2770 [22:14:23] <NetTerminalGene> i see
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2777 [22:16:59] <ws2k3> so after a crash my debian wont boot anymore i end up on grub rescue, tryed to boot from (hd0,msdos1 but i get unknown filesystem. so i booted a rescue disk ran fsck then mounted it and chrooted into it update-grub gives me /usr/sbin/grub-probe unknown filesystem. but it still says found linux image and found initrd image. but grub-install /dev/sda says error:unknown filesystem. i can ls on
2778 [22:16:59] <ws2k3> the filesystem just fine(ext) what could be wrong here
2779 [22:17:29] <rant> repeating that isnt going to change anything
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2781 [22:17:57] <f8e3> how often do you start 'fresh' install, me about a year
2782 [22:18:03] <rant> you could elaborate
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2785 [22:18:27] <rant> f8e3: uh.. never?
2786 [22:18:33] <f8e3> woot?
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2788 [22:18:40] <greycat> !repeat
2789 [22:18:41] <dpkg> Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
2790 [22:19:07] <rant> I can think of a million things that could be wrong, I'm not gonna sit here and try them all on you
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2793 [22:19:43] <rant> "a crash" is vague" "update-grub gives me..." is vague, "filesystem is fine" is vague.. etc
2794 [22:19:50] <rant> none of what you said is what actually happened
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2800 [22:21:00] <rant> nor do you give any clues about what kind of system this is other than to vaguely indicate you use grub and one of several linux ext filesystems
2801 [22:21:25] <rant> and some version of debian
2802 [22:21:40] <greycat> I think I'm not the only one puzzled by "i can ls on the filesystem just fine(ext)"
2803 [22:21:43] <rant> I'd have to make a shitload of assumptions and guesses to proceed
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2807 [22:22:51] <rant> I'd start from the beginning with something like "I have debian buster amd64 on my laptop and there was a power failure.."
2808 [22:23:05] <greycat> My guess is there are several partitions on this disk, you mounted ONE of them (but you didn't say which) you can ls in the ONE that is mounted, but os-prober and friends are failing on a different one.
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2810 [22:23:46] <rant> yes some form of PICNIC seems most likely
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2813 [22:24:48] <ws2k3> i see. system went down by unknown reason. debian 9.9 3 partitions(default partition layout) so 3 partitions, ran fsck twice. got no errors after the second run. i can mount and chroot into the disk so that works.
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2816 [22:25:20] <vuks> aptitude -t stretch-backports search transmission
2817 [22:25:20] <vuks> E: The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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2820 [22:25:39] <vuks> So I got the backport source ready, but can't do anything with it
2821 [22:25:46] <rant> ws2k3: so you were not around when this happened? what sort of machine is it, what do you mean default layout? / /boot /home? root, esp, swap? what?
2822 [22:25:55] <bolt> What makes dbus decide whether or not to use an abstract socket or a path in /run/user/<uid>?
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2824 [22:26:25] <rant> ws2k3: was the machine totally off when you discovered it, was it at an error message? what was the error specifically?
2825 [22:26:54] <bolt> I've got one machine doing each, both running Debian 9
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2828 [22:27:35] <jhutchins_wk> vuks: There are instructions for Debian on the Debian backports page, but we don't know about Raspian.
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2830 [22:28:07] <ws2k3> rant no i was not around when it happened. machine was still powered on but no console respondse with default layout i mean the layout the guided partitioning in the debian installers does. its an supermicro machine. 24 cores 24 gb ram with one sata disk of 138 gb
2831 [22:28:20] <greycat> mixing Debian backports with a non-Debian system would be something we obviously don't support here, and probably isn't supported in #raspbian either, but what would we know about that
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2833 [22:29:00] <greycat> ws2k3: pretend we've never let the installer partition a disk FOR us, and say what the partitions are supposed to be. Then check what fdisk -l (or similar tool) says they are.
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2835 [22:30:30] <f3r70rr35f> /quit
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2838 [22:32:34] <ws2k3> rant replaced-url
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2846 [22:37:15] <rant> ws2k3: yes, guided partitioning has several options and also differs depending on if you use encryption, lvm, raid, or have UEFI
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2849 [22:38:07] <ws2k3> rant no encryption no lvm no raid and no eufi
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2851 [22:39:07] <Surfer2019> hello, is there a way to install debian headless on a uefi boot?
2852 [22:39:10] <rant> thats a rather odd size for a disk.. what kind of disk is it?
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2854 [22:39:59] <ws2k3> rant i think its SAS
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2856 [22:40:28] <rant> yes sounds more like a scsi thing.. they tend to have odd sizes
2857 [22:41:11] <ws2k3> rant its this disk replaced-url
2858 [22:41:38] <rant> ws2k3: so.. moving on.. I guess its a server, and you attached a display and... ?
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2861 [22:44:13] <ws2k3> rant yes im on the display. booted a live cd. ran fsck which found some errors and repaired them. then rebooted ran fsck again. and it was fine. so then i mounted the disk to /mnt and chrooted into it and ran update-grub and that shows me this: replaced-url
2862 [22:44:13] <Surfer2019> or install debian thru ssh? ... fresh reinstall?
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2867 [22:46:35] <rant> ws2k3: did you bind /proc, /sys, /dev inside the chroot?
2868 [22:46:42] <ws2k3> rant yes
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2870 [22:47:16] <rant> we skipped the part about why you're updating grub in the first place
2871 [22:47:50] <ws2k3> since i got a grub-rescue error when booting that what lead me to to do a grub-update see what happens
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2875 [22:50:58] <rant> ws2k3: can we get a tune2fs -l on that filesystem?
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2877 [22:52:53] <ws2k3> rant replaced-url
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2881 [22:56:48] <rant> hmm.. only difference I see from mine is you dont have metadata_csum, so..
2882 [22:57:12] <rant> ws2k3: my next question would be what media are you booting from, what is the kernel version of this media?
2883 [22:57:36] <ws2k3> you mean the live cd? its gparted(based on buster)
2884 [22:58:03] <rant> ws2k3: gparted live.. uname -r says?
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2886 [22:58:11] <ws2k3> kernel version 4.14.0.1-amd64
2887 [22:58:30] <Surfer2019> is it possible to install debian via ssh?
2888 [22:58:34] <rant> so there shouldnt be any issues there then either
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2891 [22:58:47] <ws2k3> rant true.
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2893 [22:58:53] <rant> you presumably created this filesystem under debian installer with 4.9.0
2894 [22:59:12] <rant> so I'm thinking the error is saying one thing and meaning another or being vague..
2895 [22:59:16] <ws2k3> i think i installed jessie and then upgraded it it stretch
2896 [22:59:40] <rant> we'll need to get it to narrow down the error make sure its saying what we are led to believe its saying
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2898 [22:59:58] <rant> ws2k3: grub-probe --target=fs --device /dev/sda1
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2900 [23:00:44] <rant> if that gives the same error, then we're not confused about WHAT its saying, its just not saying enough :P
2901 [23:00:56] <Surfer2019> hello? anyone reading this? or is my account muted because unregistered?
2902 [23:01:06] <greycat> you're not muted
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2905 [23:01:57] <annadane> i don't know whether you can install debian via ssh, sorry. just not to make you feel like you're being ignored
2906 [23:02:01] <rant> Surfer2019: the installer has this ability to start it in ssh mode and do it remotely.. but you will need to be able to access and see it locally to boot the installer in expert mode and choose to continue over ssh
2907 [23:02:01] <annadane> i guess i could look it up
2908 [23:02:35] <rant> Surfer2019: otherwise you'd need to make some sort of custom FAI or something
2909 [23:02:49] <Surfer2019> rant: thanks :-) but there is no way ... no keyboard and a uefi system
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2912 [23:03:13] <Surfer2019> and a ssd so no taking it out and installing it on a external drive
2913 [23:03:23] <ws2k3> rant grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem. it returns
2914 [23:03:28] <Surfer2019> but i can ssh into the now old server and want a fresh reinstall
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2916 [23:03:39] <rant> Surfer2019: whats it running now?
2917 [23:03:49] <Surfer2019> omv ... with debian underneath
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2919 [23:04:07] * rant has no idea wth omv is
2920 [23:04:14] <Surfer2019> but i kinda destroyed half my system because the systemdrive was 100% full by accident
2921 [23:04:20] <greycat> !omv
2922 [23:04:20] <dpkg> OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at replaced-url
2923 [23:04:23] <Surfer2019> omv = openmediavault
2924 [23:04:58] <rant> Surfer2019: I see, well then that is beyond the scope of this channel..
2925 [23:05:09] <Surfer2019> i can move along with a minimal fresh debian install ... but with uefi boot, ssd and no keyboard ... its hard
2926 [23:05:13] <greycat> Surfer2019: have you looked at debootstrap?
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2929 [23:05:39] <Surfer2019> greycat: what is debootstrap?
2930 [23:05:43] <rant> yes I was going to ask what sort of storage situation there was.. if there was enough space to install from within the current setup but then they mentioned disk being full..
2931 [23:05:44] <greycat> !debootstrap
2932 [23:05:44] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
2933 [23:06:23] <rant> but this sounds like some kind of proprietary type embedded system using some sort of VM ..
2934 [23:06:34] <rant> its just all kinds of outside the scope of what we do here :P
2935 [23:06:48] <greycat> I would just buy a damned keyboard.
2936 [23:07:11] <rant> thats what I was thinking but sounds like this device may not have monitor/keyboard ports
2937 [23:07:27] <rant> sounds like its some kinda black box like a router or nas appliance
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2939 [23:08:02] <Surfer2019> mhh well buying a keyboard might be an option too :P ^^ just wanted to maybe widen my horizon
2940 [23:08:36] <rant> ws2k3: but that of course means you're getting the same error I guess, which means we defintely know its sda1 its bitching about, its just not explaining itself well enough
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2943 [23:09:31] <Surfer2019> but thanks for the help greycat i will check this option
2944 [23:09:50] <rant> ws2k3: and we seem to know that you have it mounted, proc/sys/dev bound, and chrooted into it.. so its safe to say the fs is supported by the underlying system running at the moment, this gparted live.
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2948 [23:10:56] * rant isnt super savvy with grub.. not sure offhand how to make it be more specific on this
2949 [23:11:13] <ws2k3> rant i think grub-probe --target=fs --device /dev/sda1 --verbose showed some interesting things but the output is to long to screenshot so currently getting network and ssh to run so i can pastebin it
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2951 [23:11:25] <rant> ws2k3: you are running the stretch grub commands from within the chroot right?
2952 [23:11:41] <ws2k3> yes
2953 [23:11:49] <rant> ws2k3: can also pipe it to nc termbin.com 9999
2954 [23:12:07] <rant> grub-probe --target=fs --device /dev/sda1 --verbose | nc termbin.com 9999
2955 [23:12:48] <rant> ws2k3: and presumably even if you had jessie and upgraded to stretch, it had run grub commands, and they worked on this filesystem at one point
2956 [23:13:09] <rant> ran them during the upgrade that is when new kernels were installed
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2958 [23:14:00] <rant> and tune2fs didnt show any odd filesystem options.. I have all the same options on my system and the metadata_csum
2959 [23:14:02] <ws2k3> i ran that command but im not sure if it worked
2960 [23:14:15] <rant> ws2k3: it would output a url if it worked
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2964 [23:14:48] <rant> ws2k3: there are usual limits to file size but it would usually truncate if exceeded IIRC.. I think its like 150kb or so
2965 [23:15:28] <ws2k3> then it didnt work. cause it started to output to terminal immidiatly instead of to nc
2966 [23:15:43] <ws2k3> i tested and nc and networking is working fine with any other command
2967 [23:15:49] <greycat> does grub-probe write to stderr or something?
2968 [23:15:59] <ws2k3> think so yes
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2970 [23:16:10] <greycat> I know part of what you see if you run it on the console may be direct kernel messages, but...
2971 [23:16:21] <greycat> For stderr + stdout, use 2>&1 | nc blah
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2974 [23:17:17] <ws2k3> replaced-url
2975 [23:18:24] <rant> ws2k3: looks at though the partition table is corrupt
2976 [23:18:43] <rant> though you'd seemed to have used fdisk or such to output that info earlier
2977 [23:18:50] <rant> ws2k3: I've had luck with gpart before
2978 [23:18:56] <rant> ,i gpart
2979 [23:18:58] <judd> Package gpart (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions. Version: 1:0.3-3; Size: 38.2k; Installed: 77k; Homepage: replaced-url
2980 [23:19:23] <rant> because it seems to know sda1 is on sda and where it starts
2981 [23:19:29] <rant> it seems as though it cant tell where it ends
2982 [23:19:43] <rant> and thus cant tell what filesystem it contains
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2987 [23:22:07] <rant> ws2k3: had you tried starting gparted? it should be able to detect any issues with the partition table, though not fix them
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2990 [23:23:05] <rant> many years ago I had a crash and lost a 60GB partition of music and I'd ran gpart and it was able to reconstruct the partition table and I was able to recover my data
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2992 [23:23:50] <rant> only ever had a power failure result in a corrupt partition table once in all my years and gpart fixed it
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2999 [23:24:40] <ws2k3> rant i just tryed to use gparted and it gave me an error and suggested i ran e2fsck -f -y -v -C 0 e2fsck -f -y -v -C 0 /dev/sda1 first so going to do that now
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3002 [23:25:06] <ws2k3> e2fsck -f -y -v -C 0 /dev/sda1 so going to do that now*
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3004 [23:25:32] <rant> ws2k3: yes well tune2fs said the fs was clean and you'd said you fsck before..
3005 [23:25:38] <ksk> add mooore switches.
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3008 [23:26:02] <rant> which if the partition table was bad, I wouldnt think you couldve successfully mounted it..
3009 [23:26:20] <ksk> for xfs for example, you need to mount it once after a repair.
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3012 [23:27:12] <rant> yes well this is ext4 on an enterprise grade sata disk it would seem, no raid, lvm, or anything
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3014 [23:27:24] <f8e3> there are numerous packages which self-check for updates (and even autoapply) eg vscode; does this break sth., it circumvents the offical packet repository and realease process etc. right?
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3016 [23:27:33] <ksk> kk, was not able to see that doing a quick scrolling..
3017 [23:27:44] <ksk> ,vscode
3018 [23:27:49] <ksk> ,v vscode
3019 [23:27:50] <judd> No package named 'vscode' was found in amd64.
3020 [23:28:05] <rant> f8e3: yes, if something auto updates outside the package manager, obviously it circumvents it
3021 [23:28:22] <f8e3> microsoft argl replaced-url
3022 [23:28:29] <rant> I was helping my cousin with openshot the other night and noticed it detects it is outdated and suggests upstream updates
3023 [23:28:33] <ksk> f8e3: as its not in the debian repositories, you cannot really do anything.
3024 [23:28:55] <f8e3> beside downloading the .deb file, virtualbox at least provided a line for sources.list
3025 [23:28:57] <rant> f8e3: yes, if its not from debian repositories, its already circumventing the system
3026 [23:29:03] <ksk> one would think that most vendors offer repositories, but if M$ thinks otherwise and lets the app auto-update - at least you get updates ;)
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3028 [23:29:50] <f8e3> i have concerns security wise;
3029 [23:29:58] <f8e3> but yes, i got the answer
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3031 [23:30:03] <rant> I swear it would seem Microsoft is on the verge of converting windows to a linux distro.. if you look at all the crap they been doing lately..
3032 [23:30:08] <ksk> yeah, I cannot really remember the package, but I had some software from debian telling me "update me, Im ooold" in the past
3033 [23:30:19] <rant> they're just trying to slowly migrate toward it without breaking compatibility
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3035 [23:30:26] <ksk> If I remember correctly there was code that checked the date or so..
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3037 [23:31:39] <ksk> I am totally on your page regarding Microsoft.. regarding their long lived strategy of "Improvise, Adapt, Overcome" I am not sure though if this is good for the OSS community..
3038 [23:31:47] <rant> they seem to no longer be fighting the FOSS world, but for years now have slowly beein infiltrating it and embracing it
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3040 [23:32:06] <rant> sitting on boards, bought github, shipping a linux kernel with win10 now.. etc
3041 [23:32:08] <ksk> also, microsoft is the biggest single contributer to the kernel or so..
3042 [23:32:26] <ksk> (our beloved linux kernel, that is)
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3044 [23:32:53] <rant> they seem to be slowly inching toward us like they're soon to become one of us :P
3045 [23:33:29] <ksk> I looked up their "install debian from windows store" and choose to not use it, since they seem to break some debian things (and also maybe violate trademarks, as they modify, and still call it debian)
3046 [23:33:33] <rant> they cant just outright switch, and break everything.. they carefully switched from dos to NT..
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3048 [23:33:59] <ksk> yeah, Microsoft Linux^tm incoming.
3049 [23:34:00] <rant> if I had to guess, they've been planning a migration to linux for awhile now
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3051 [23:34:13] <GenTooMan> Microsoft is still fixing it's ugliness. Linux has been reliable for too long. So they are worried about it becoming too reliable thus they are trying to fix that.
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3053 [23:34:38] <ksk> also, if everthing would be "cloud" in 10-20 years, nobody would use windows anymore I suppose..
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3055 [23:35:07] <ksk> I am inclined to say not everything will be cloud at any time, but other people have differnt opinions on that.
3056 [23:35:10] <ws2k3> so i ran the e2fsck with -C 0 now and i was able to resize the partition so i did. rebooted and ran a update-grub again but still i get the grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem
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3058 [23:35:23] <rant> I had recently looked at their hololens.. first thing I seen since my switch to linux and stopping support for windows almost 20 years ago.. that ALMOST made me consider using it again..
3059 [23:35:36] <ksk> ws2k3: can you mount the partition in a live-system successfully?
3060 [23:36:43] <rant> they get that thing a lil cheaper, better battery life, and preferably not requiring I use win10, and I'm sold.. heh
3061 [23:36:53] <ksk> as a Gamer I am still using Windows. Kind of not in the mood to always like strace some wine problems after installing a new game - but that is better also nowadays I suppose
3062 [23:38:13] <ws2k3> rant replaced-url
3063 [23:38:17] <rant> if I could afford it, I'd try it again on an isolated machine.. but I dont have the money to waste on a seperate windows machine, and absolutely no need for it
3064 [23:38:34] <ws2k3> ksk yes
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3067 [23:39:33] <ksk> ws2k3: mhhm, did you mess around with the initrd lately? could be its missing *something* to access your partition? rant said you do not use RAID nor LVM nor ... though, not sure :/
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3069 [23:40:16] <ws2k3> ksk no i didnt
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3073 [23:40:46] <ksk> mhhm, did you do a grub-install already via live?
3074 [23:40:51] <rant> ksk: yeah its as vanilla as a setup as it gets from the look of it.. the hardware is a bit questionable.. dont know if its xeon or ryzen or what
3075 [23:41:03] <ksk> (you would normally not need to do that, if you repaired the fs successfully, and it worked before..)
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3077 [23:41:30] <rant> ksk: and they're currently running a gparted live media with 4.14 kernel
3078 [23:41:46] <ksk> okay.
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3080 [23:42:04] <ws2k3> ksk i did but then i also get grub-install: error: unknown filesystem
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3082 [23:43:32] <Soo_Slow> does anybody there use geany as text editor? Cant figure out how to change its color scheme
3083 [23:43:36] <ksk> mhhm! If you have the possibility I would advise trying to use a debian livecd with the same kernel/everything version as installed on disk
3084 [23:44:38] <rant> ws2k3: it seems like a partition table issue.. like grub is either not able to detect the end of the partition or its failing due to the alignment of the partition or something
3085 [23:45:50] <ksk> I know stories where using a more recent kernel can really help repairing a xfs filesystem, but not really breaking things - but to sort that out Id go for a debian live-cd
3086 [23:45:54] <rant> grub code is rather low-level stuff, what the kernel can handle and what grub can handle are two different things
3087 [23:46:43] <ws2k3> im currently using a debian 10 live cd. but i will try to use a debian 9 live cd
3088 [23:46:55] <rant> ws2k3: did you try gparted again?
3089 [23:47:04] <rant> see if it says anything about the disk
3090 [23:47:21] <ws2k3> yes i didn. and gparted went fine now after the e2fsck
3091 [23:47:39] <ws2k3> rant i resized the disk the partition to make sure. and resized it back.
3092 [23:48:09] <rant> there was a bug years ago related to this replaced-url
3093 [23:48:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3094 [23:48:25] <rant> but it was fixed..
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3101 [23:49:51] <rant> ws2k3: the other reason I keep stressing a partition table issue, is because you pasted a link to the disk and what I've seen as of yet, doesnt account for the full size of the disk
3102 [23:49:55] <rant> so.. something seems off
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3106 [23:50:18] <rant> says its a 150GB disk, and I'm not seeing 150GB
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3110 [23:51:54] <rant> its not off by much, and I dont have enough info to go on really
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3114 [23:55:11] <ws2k3> from the debian 9 rescue disk i also get unknown filesystem so the debian 9.9 livecd does not make a difference
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3119 [23:57:12] <ws2k3> rant wil show you gparted soon cause of ur concern about the 150 gb
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