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118[02:16:04] <wobbel> im trying to find out where media cache from firefox is being wrote to disk, on windows it seems to write to memory only (same with chromium under debian), i see with df it is filling up somewhere, any ideas?
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120[02:19:08] <somiaj> wobbel: sometimes /tmp, other times in some hidden directory in $HOME, such as .local
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122[02:19:51] <wobbel> somiaj: im using private browsing, it doesnt seem to go to normal cache locations and /tmp and /var/tmp have no writes :S
123[02:20:12] <wobbel> how can i filter lsof results to see only firefox process activity to diagnose?
124[02:20:17] <somiaj> are you sure it is firefox and not something like flash makgint the cache?
125[02:20:35] <somiaj> have you looked at man lsof and see if you can limit it to process names?
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128[02:21:39] <somiaj> also a users app will not write to /var/tmp, check something like $HOME/.local/firefox/cache or $HOME/.share, maybe $HOME/.firefox, unsure which directory it uses in $HOME, but that is most often where things write stuff if it isn't in /tmp
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133[02:25:51] <annadane> there isn't usually a .firefox
134[02:25:54] <annadane> it's .mozilla
135[02:26:23] <somiaj> it has moved so many times, I'm not sure anymore. It use to be .firefox when there was .mozilla for the mozilla suite
136[02:28:10] <somiaj> I do see a .cache/mozilla/firefox on my system
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138[02:28:42] <annadane> ah yeah i forgot about .cache
139[02:29:20] <somiaj> ls -a, I jsut start hunting around
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141[02:29:48] <somiaj> I also really need to switch to firefox, chromium is pissing me off (times do change, I recall when firefox pissed me off and I switched to chromium)
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143[02:30:10] <somiaj> well I used iceape/mozilla until that was discountiued fora while.
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149[02:34:26] <annadane> well the only negatives i know about chromium are google's ham fisted tactics with chrome like removing an ad blocker or something to that extent and some other stuff i don't remember
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151[02:34:36] <annadane> which may or may not get propagated to chromium
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153[02:34:57] <annadane> google ain't especially trustworthy these days
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160[02:43:54] <somiaj> I still trust them, but they are getting more agressive with adds (which is how they make money)
161[02:44:22] <somiaj> I kinda understand their stance on add blockers, and they have tried to develop standards for reasonable adds.
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168[02:59:48] <phogg> dropping the APIs used by ad blockers also reportedly breaks umatrix, which is a bigger problem for me than just ad blocking.
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175[03:02:59] * annadane really needs to remember to donate to mozilla
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237[04:03:26] <lancap> I'm switching from gentoo to debian, and I have an encrypted lvm luks partition who's home directory I'd like to keep when I make the move
238[04:03:50] <lancap> Is there any way to accomplish this easily? I would rather not have to copy the home directory as I have lots and lots of media files
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248[04:11:11] <Primer> lancap: there are several approaches you can take
249[04:11:46] <Primer> Just install normally then once booted into the install, login as root directly, cd /home...you get the picture
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251[04:12:13] <Primer> Or drop to a shell during install and setup /home beforehand
252[04:13:07] <Primer> alt f2, be root, apt update, apt install cryptsetup whatever-else, setup /home, go back to install and add it.
253[04:13:19] <Primer> But then whatever it'd need to come up on boot...that's up to you
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255[04:14:17] <lancap> I'm confused on the instructions you're giving me. I don't know how to "install normally" without overwriting my luks partition and home directory
256[04:15:01] <lancap> The second one I think I understand, can I really install cryptsetup in the middle of a debian install?
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269[04:24:39] <Primer> you can do _anything_ you want :)
270[04:25:20] <Primer> the system I'm on was created from a chroot and debootstrap. If you're expecting to do something complicated but don't understand the underlying tech...I suggest maybe you learn the tech?
271[04:26:35] <Primer> I'm on encrypted root fs on zfs. There are no "rescue instructions" for a custom setup. Do you know how to mount /home by hand?
272[04:27:19] <Primer> If so, I suggest the first method I outlined. I have to presume you can do your own partitioning? Because if you expect the installer to take care of that for you...it's not going to happen
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274[04:27:37] <jmcnaught> I wouldn't be surprised if the Debian installer could recognized and mount a LUKS volume.
275[04:27:57] <Primer> and encrypted one even?
276[04:28:03] <jmcnaught> yeah
277[04:28:08] <Primer> yeah, it's worth a shot
278[04:28:22] <Primer> But if it doesn't work, don't be surprised
279[04:28:46] <Primer> hehe lots of surprises
280[04:28:57] <lancap> >.>
281[04:29:12] <Primer> lancap: How comfortable are you managing disk partitions on your own?
282[04:29:13] <jmcnaught> choose manual partitioning and then go to the encrypted volume and select "use as"…
283[04:29:23] <Primer> yeah, because he'd at the very least have to go there
284[04:29:36] <Primer> she'd...
285[04:29:40] <Primer> whomever
286[04:30:27] <Primer> jmcnaught: thing is, that was setup on a different distro, so it'd still have to be decrypted before mounting
287[04:30:35] <lancap> I have the requisite knowledge to setup my patitions however I want
288[04:30:42] <Primer> And is the installer going to offer to do that?
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290[04:31:10] <lancap> Through the traditional CLi cryptsetup tools you would use in the gentoo livedvd at least
291[04:31:30] <Primer> lancap: yeah, then boot the installer and select to manually partition and see what options it provides for finding and setting up your pre-existing encrypted partitions
292[04:31:32] <lancap> My question was more "Do you know any way to make it so that the Debian installer doesn't overwrite my home directory"
293[04:31:50] <Primer> If it doesn't offer that option, you can always drop to a shell, apt update, what I said before
294[04:32:05] <Primer> yes, select to partition manually
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296[04:32:31] <jmcnaught> the installer can set up LVM on LUKS on md-raid, so it would not be a surprise to see it can recognize one that's already created
297[04:32:50] <Primer> but the key, the config...
298[04:32:57] <Primer> How does one pass that to the installer?
299[04:33:11] <lancap> If the installer can recognize it, I would have to pass my password in
300[04:34:14] <Primer> luks has all that built in, right?
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502[07:38:11] <serard> Hello
503[07:38:26] <serard> someone would help me figuring out how to ssh-copy-id ?
504[07:38:35] <serard> I get permission denied(public key)
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518[07:48:37] <ayekat> ssh -v might help
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524[07:49:39] <ayekat> serard: is this again the same situation as yesterday, where you generated keypairs on all sorts of machines, instead of just putting your own public key on them as usual?
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528[07:50:23] <serard> ayekat, :) no I dont generate ssh keys on all machines now. I just do it on my master.
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532[07:51:13] <serard> I have configured sshd on all client machines with echo "PubkeyAuthentication yes" | sudo tee -a /etc/ssh/sshd_config and echo "PasswordAuthentication yes" | sudo tee -a /etc/ssh/sshd_config then sudo systemctl restart sshd
533[07:54:49] <ayekat> serard: I'm not quite sure what the effects of having the same options multiple times in sshd_config are, or whether sshd is picky about having them in the right order, but... have you tried just editing the file directly instead?
534[07:55:29] <ayekat> serard: ah yes, sshd_config(5): «For each keyword, the first obtained value will be used.»
535[07:55:39] <Primer> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, change logging to DEBUG, restart ssh, and watch the logs
536[07:55:51] <serard> hmm
537[07:56:04] <ayekat> serard: so if PasswordAuthentication is already set to 'no' in the file, appending has absolutely no effect
538[07:56:07] <Primer> You'll find it's likely perms on the files/dirs: ~/.ssh should be 0700, ~/.ssh/authorized_keys should be 0600
539[07:56:52] <ayekat> Primer: or password authentication is simply disabled :-)
540[07:57:08] <serard> passauth works
541[07:57:17] <serard> it's just that my command does not accept the keyscan
542[07:57:32] <Primer> ls -lad ~/.ssh
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544[07:57:44] <Primer> if it's anything but 700, that's your problem
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546[07:57:58] <Primer> -rx------
547[07:58:07] <Primer> err rwx------
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551[07:59:15] <serard> Primer, drwx------ 2 vagrant vagrant 4096 Jun 17 05:54 /home/vagrant/.ssh
552[07:59:31] <Primer> and authorized_keys?
553[07:59:47] <serard> -rw------- 1 vagrant vagrant 736 Jun 17 05:54 authorized_keys
554[07:59:52] <diogenes_> hello guys i gave op to a wrong dude on my channel and he banned me how to get access again?
555[07:59:55] <diogenes_> i'm the founder
556[08:00:07] <Primer> #freenode?
557[08:00:07] <ayekat> diogenes_: #freenode
558[08:00:12] <diogenes_> yes
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560[08:00:20] <Primer> no, that was a suggestion
561[08:00:24] <Primer> as in, go there
562[08:00:26] <diogenes_> oh thanks
563[08:00:35] <serard> I think the problem is that my script doesnt accept the keyscan which happens before being asked for the password
564[08:00:46] <Primer> what "keyscan"?
565[08:00:56] <Primer> ssh box
566[08:01:07] <Primer> if that doesn't prompt for the ssh key passphrase, then it didn't work
567[08:01:33] <ayekat> serard: if you want to copy-id to the remote, that's because your public key isn't there yet, right?
568[08:01:43] <ayekat> so what key passphrase do you expect to be asked?
569[08:02:02] <serard> the one installed by vagrant ? :o
570[08:02:13] <Primer> /etc/ssh/sshd_config, LogLevel DEBUG, save, restart sshd, tail -f /var/log/messages
571[08:02:21] <Primer> or is it /var/log/auth? One of the two
572[08:03:21] <Primer> ssh to the box, read the logs that were generated. The info will be there.
573[08:03:32] <ayekat> serard: so do you have that keypair on your local machine?
574[08:04:04] <serard> Primer, will try this next to the one I'm trying now
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576[08:04:09] <ayekat> I feel like the person yesterday was right and you are confused about how public key cryptography works
577[08:04:09] <Primer> one would presume...
578[08:04:29] <Primer> oh, so this goes back a few days? hehe
579[08:04:41] <serard> just this night
580[08:05:02] <Primer> serard: so, you know you need the private key on the machine you're sshing from, and the public key on the one you're sshing TO, right?
581[08:05:35] <Primer> That there's a catch 22 in that you can't get into the machine without password auth to put the key in there in the first place
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584[08:06:22] <Primer> So, the machine you're on now has: ~/.ssh/id_rsa, and the machine you're sshing TO is what has ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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586[08:07:15] <usney> whats a good cli torrent app? One that can handle a large collection of downloads and uploads?
587[08:07:23] <Primer> rtorrent
588[08:07:33] <usney> I really like rtorrent
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590[08:07:55] <Primer> The commands are a bit wonky, but it works really well
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592[08:08:50] <usney> I never been able to successfully setup remote web ui torrent apps on linux only one I ever done successfully is rtorrent via ssh
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594[08:09:15] <ayekat> "remote web ui torrent apps"?
595[08:09:37] <Primer> yeah, no idea what that is
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597[08:09:50] <Primer> there are certainly graphical torrent apps
598[08:10:03] <jelly> most clients have a web ui.
599[08:10:09] <usney> it is a graphical web client
600[08:10:29] <Primer> So rtorrent opens a port and you hit it with your browser?
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602[08:10:35] <jelly> yes.
603[08:10:37] <Primer> Sounds pretty simple to setup
604[08:10:55] <jelly> eg. transmission
605[08:11:22] <usney> well I don't really want that I think I am going to stick with rtorrent and ssh
606[08:11:46] <usney> since everyone almost always says rtorrent is the best cli client
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608[08:12:16] <usney> for remotely controlling my torrent collection
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611[08:14:08] <ayekat> there is scgi_port in rtorrent.rc - maybe that works (haven't tried, though)
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617[08:15:05] <ayekat> I don't think that serves a web interface, though - it's more for remote-controlling from... I guess another rtorrent instance?
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650[08:35:41] <Fox> that serves a web ui, like rutorrent
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789[10:19:59] <Guest60019> hello everybody
790[10:20:31] <usney> what is the best cli app for irc?
791[10:20:43] <tachikomas> usney: either weechat or irssi
792[10:20:54] <usney> which do you prefer?
793[10:20:59] <tachikomas> i do prefer irssi for the minimalism.
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795[10:21:19] <tachikomas> Weechat is having a bit more feature
796[10:21:24] <tachikomas> both are nice at the end
797[10:21:39] <usney> I got a question
798[10:22:14] <tachikomas> Sure, just ask.
799[10:22:18] <timsen> usney: there is also bitchX as cli IRC client
800[10:22:40] <usney> if an app needs to have ownership of a folder to be able to access it and I also want to use that folder for downloads with another program which should be the group or the user?
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802[10:23:10] <usney> I first encounter this issue when setting up plex
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804[10:23:17] <tachikomas> usney: the important part there is the user who is starting the app
805[10:23:58] <tachikomas> if it has access to the folder
806[10:24:01] <usney> well it is working now
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809[10:24:12] <usney> I just want to make sure it is the preferable way to do it
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811[10:24:25] <tachikomas> well, how are you doing it
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814[10:24:28] <tachikomas> ?
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817[10:26:04] <usney> I just made a separate folder "/opt/plexmedia/" then I gave it crown plex:myusername /opt/plexmedia and permissions are set so that only the user and group has complete access
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819[10:26:23] <tachikomas> Sure, you can do it like this.
820[10:26:31] <usney> plex is working fine now
821[10:26:37] <usney> before it was complaining
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826[10:27:15] <usney> I followed this guide
827[10:27:17] <usney> replaced-url
828[10:27:34] <usney> and made some of my own changes along the way since not all of it worked for me
829[10:28:02] <tachikomas> Thats the problem with non official guide.
830[10:28:25] <usney> where can I make an official guide to setup plex?
831[10:29:29] <tachikomas> look on their official website, i do not use plex but generally you find theses informations in the manual
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840[10:31:43] <usney> tachikomas what desktop environment should my friend use he is new to computers?
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842[10:32:06] <usney> he is my house mate and he is always asking for tech support lol...
843[10:32:06] <tachikomas> usney: huh. Thats a really personal question. Depend his affinity with computers in general
844[10:32:18] <usney> I was thinking gnome
845[10:32:21] <tachikomas> Gnome ? Kde M
846[10:32:24] <tachikomas> ?
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848[10:32:45] <usney> since you can type the app out and it slowly comes up
849[10:32:47] <tachikomas> i does not use theses DE, but thats what i would give to someone.
850[10:33:01] <usney> which DE do you use?
851[10:33:06] <tachikomas> i3
852[10:33:07] <usney> I use lxde
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854[10:33:58] <usney> I hate windows
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856[10:34:07] <usney> he has windows on his laptop
857[10:34:10] <usney> so slow
858[10:34:26] <usney> debian is so fast
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861[10:35:16] <tachikomas> usney: Well, depend how you configure it. And what hardware it run on.
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869[10:38:29] <tachikomas> usney: I do have to run windows on my work laptop and then have a VM with my linux work. My company could not replace everything by linux and i do understand them.
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877[10:42:14] <usney> cool tachikomas
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879[10:42:55] <usney> well the laptop he got seems like 2012 specs tachikomas
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881[10:43:19] <usney> I got a laptop with almost same specs in 2012
882[10:43:37] <tachikomas> usney: then try to have something lightweight
883[10:43:43] <tachikomas> lxde/ xfce
884[10:43:48] <tachikomas> mate
885[10:44:01] <usney> he can upgrade the ram too
886[10:44:13] <usney> it is only 4gb of ram
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888[10:44:32] <tachikomas> my i3 use 300mb of ram by default
889[10:45:03] <usney> i3 is a window manager desktop environment right?
890[10:45:18] <tachikomas> pretty sure you can stay below 1gb with a lxde / xfce
891[10:45:23] <tachikomas> Wm
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893[10:47:23] <usney> how do I install i3?
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895[10:48:25] <tachikomas> i would recommend you to look at what is i3 before, tailling wm are different than normal ones
896[10:49:39] <tachikomas> but just install the meta package i3
897[10:50:00] <blackmajic> Any help on why i cant get "anything@domain.com" to goto "validuser@domain.com" i get relay=dovecot, delay=2251, delays=2251/0.02/0/0.02, dsn=4.1.1, status=SOFTBOUNCE (user unknown)
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901[10:50:58] <tachikomas> seems your anything is not known trough dovecot
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903[10:51:53] <blackmajic> Any idea how to enable aliases? ive been trying for weeks
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908[10:52:20] <blackmajic> it works if its a valid mailbox.. But thats not the result i want
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910[10:52:43] <jelly> blackmajic: smple aliases are usually managed in your MTA (exim, postfix...) , not your MDA (dovecot)
911[10:53:09] <blackmajic> Then what setting do i have thats blocking this?
912[10:53:25] <jelly> blackmajic: where did you define the alias and how precisely?
913[10:53:36] <jelly> blackmajic: and which MTA and which Debian release is this?
914[10:53:48] <blackmajic> Not sure what your asking.. Postfix, Debian 9
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916[10:54:28] <jelly> blackmajic: where did you write that "anything" or "anything@domain.com" exists and is mapped to validuser@domain.com?
917[10:55:00] <blackmajic> i use postfixadmin.. And i use mysql to set my stuff for mailboxes, sizes, etc
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927[11:00:54] <jelly> blackmajic: you'll want to learn _how_ those tools implement aliases at the postfix level, then
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929[11:02:17] <blackmajic> Finding that information, is where im having problems.
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994[11:41:23] <BrahRah> I need some help installing cpu-g on 9.9
995[11:42:00] <BrahRah> I can't find anything to install it and the tar.gz has nothing that executes
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1004[11:49:02] <Fox> BrahRah: I don't use this kind os stuff, but did you try i-nex ? replaced-url
1005[11:50:28] <BrahRah> apt-get can't find it
1006[11:51:22] <Fox> did you read the link I just gave ? I don't think so...
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1008[11:51:52] <tachikomas> BraRah what do you have in your tar.gz ?
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1010[11:52:24] <BrahRah> I don't want to build from source
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1012[11:52:41] <BrahRah> this is the most annoying thing with linux
1013[11:54:19] <tachikomas> BrahRah: What is it ?
1014[11:54:36] <BrahRah> building from source to use an app
1015[11:54:38] <BrahRah> never works
1016[11:54:44] <tachikomas> It does.
1017[11:55:12] <BrahRah> I tried like a 100 times it never worked out for me
1018[11:55:31] <BrahRah> not interested in becomming a linux pro I just want to use apps
1019[11:55:46] <humpled> :|/
1020[11:55:54] <tachikomas> :D
1021[11:56:27] <tachikomas> First, not knowing how to doesnt mean it does not work.
1022[11:57:00] <tachikomas> Second, we like to help.. but generally it goes better with person who want to learn. :)
1023[11:57:06] <BrahRah> if following tuts doesn't work I don't do it
1024[11:57:25] <tachikomas> What do you want to use ? and why ?
1025[11:58:00] <BrahRah> cpu-z
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1027[11:58:14] <BrahRah> got watercooling need to see the cpu temp
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1029[11:58:16] <tachikomas> why using cpu-z on linux ?
1030[11:58:22] <BrahRah> there is cpu-g
1031[11:58:23] <tachikomas> why not use sensors ?
1032[11:58:40] <tachikomas> if you just want the temps... sensors is made for you
1033[11:58:48] <BrahRah> why tf should I if I can have it on screen?
1034[11:58:58] <tachikomas> ?
1035[11:59:23] <BrahRah> if deb pisses me off to much I'll just go back to windows and try it in year or two again
1036[11:59:42] <BrahRah> ill just try cpuz with wine
1037[11:59:47] <tachikomas> -_-
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1039[11:59:52] <Ticho> :)
1040[11:59:52] <mehmedbasic> replaced-url
1041[11:59:52] <tachikomas> why not using Sensors
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1043[12:00:17] <tachikomas> you want the temps, sensors is made for it
1044[12:00:29] <BrahRah> since cpu-g and i-nex are crap to install
1045[12:00:56] <Ticho> any decent desktop environment will give you desktop widgets with cpu frequency, temperature and oodles of other stuff, and you can place them wherever you want
1046[12:01:12] <tachikomas> BrahRah: You could even use conky
1047[12:01:27] <EdePopede> you want temps on screen? sensors + conqy and you don't even need an additional windows like with cpu-z
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1049[12:01:37] <BrahRah> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package cpu-g
1050[12:01:43] <tachikomas> -_-
1051[12:02:14] <rapha> Do debian packages allow for (a) not containing any files at all, just running a script, in my case, a Rakefile? And (b) does Debian have any mechanism for re-installing a package on the condition of another package having been updated?
1052[12:02:36] <Habbie> rapha, (a) yes, but the rakefile would have to come from somewhere
1053[12:02:48] <rapha> Habbie: oh, right. A Rakefile *is* a file :-P
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1055[12:02:59] <Habbie> rapha, (b) i don't think so and it sounds like you're applying the wrong hammer to this nail
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1057[12:03:15] <tachikomas> BrahRah: read the github link send to you by mehmedbasic
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1059[12:03:28] <tachikomas> have you add the ppa ?
1060[12:03:39] <BrahRah> used the install instrction line by line
1061[12:03:47] <BrahRah> doesn work don't care
1062[12:03:52] <tachikomas> lol
1063[12:04:12] <Fox> *plonk*
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1065[12:04:17] <BrahRah> I'll try cpuz with wine if that doesn't work Im back to windows
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1067[12:04:21] <tachikomas> so you add the ppa and it does not work ? why does it work on mine ?
1068[12:04:50] <EdePopede> !doesn't work
1069[12:04:50] <tachikomas> you come here asking for help, your not listening and dont want to learn anything.
1070[12:04:50] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
1071[12:04:52] <BrahRah> no idea pisses me off that linux still needs 1h+ for every freaking app to install
1072[12:05:02] <tachikomas> no BrahRah
1073[12:05:06] <tachikomas> you need 1h+ for that
1074[12:05:16] <BrahRah> yea and that is aproblem
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1076[12:05:24] <tachikomas> do not make statement for everyone here.
1077[12:05:37] <Fox> it's not debian's fault if you're slow :/
1078[12:05:42] <rapha> Habbie: yeah, I was afraid so. My nail is this: I need to add some lines to files installed by an official Debian package (xkb-data) so when that gets updated, my changes will get destroyed. In the past I had my own version of that package and just pinned that, which came with all kinds of downsides, mostly with having to maintain it (which I never did and which was pointless anyways, since the additions I
1079[12:05:42] <EdePopede> BrahRah. it doesn not work *for you*, but it works for others most of the time.
1080[12:05:44] <tachikomas> btw, cpu-g work
1081[12:05:44] <rapha> made have not required changes in 8 years.
1082[12:05:46] <Habbie> !sicco
1083[12:05:46] <dpkg> Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
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1089[12:06:29] <Habbie> rapha, hmmm, for most files that could ever need editing, there is a way to put your changes in a second file that apt/dkpg won't touch - you can't do that here?
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1091[12:06:35] <BrahRah> cpuz works with wine nice
1092[12:06:47] <BrahRah> 1min install not 1 hour
1093[12:07:12] <BrahRah> meh can't read tje hardware tho
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1095[12:07:33] <Habbie> so, 'works' means 'starts, even if it servers no purpose'
1096[12:07:33] <tachikomas> Do you need help to do it quickly or not ? You just want the temps right ?
1097[12:07:42] <Habbie> now we need to figure out what it means when you say "doesn't work"
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1099[12:10:27] <BrahRah> great core temp doesn't work either with wine
1100[12:10:38] <tehnull> BrahRah replaced-url
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1102[12:10:42] <tachikomas> BrahRah: So.
1103[12:10:48] <tachikomas> Do you need help to do it properly or not ?
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1105[12:11:22] <BrahRah> if I can do so without spending another hour on it y
1106[12:11:28] <tachikomas> You want core temps ? "sudo apt install lm-sensors"
1107[12:11:32] <tachikomas> then use sensors
1108[12:11:44] <tehnull> if you want a nice gui
1109[12:11:59] <tehnull> psensor
1110[12:12:00] <tachikomas> its only cli trough
1111[12:12:04] <BrahRah> lol I thought you meant physical sensors....
1112[12:12:23] <tehnull> replaced-url
1113[12:12:23] <tachikomas> sensors as a programe in your terminal.
1114[12:12:38] <BrahRah> y I got that now
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1116[12:12:50] <Bushman> hello
1117[12:13:00] <rapha> Habbie: yes and no. For one of the files (/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/<locale>) it *might* work, but afaik not for the others (/usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/{base,evdev,xorg,xfree86}.{lst,xml}). Not entirely sure though, because some distros (but not others) also have .../rules/*-extra.{xml,lst}, but I
1118[12:13:06] <BrahRah> does it have a gui?
1119[12:13:20] <tachikomas> psensor yes
1120[12:13:21] <rapha> 've not been able to figure out how to get XKB-Config to take these additional ones into account.
1121[12:13:25] <Habbie> rapha, ugh
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1123[12:13:54] <Habbie> rapha, so, your hammer does not exist, but i'm pretty sure a package can be triggered on any change of another package
1124[12:14:05] <Habbie> rapha, like happens right now with manpage indexes, initramfs, etc.
1125[12:14:13] <tehnull> I just linked you to a screenshot of the psensor gui
1126[12:14:21] <tehnull> replaced-url
1127[12:14:29] <Habbie> rapha, i mean, it would still be 'wrong', but it would probably work
1128[12:14:37] <rapha> Habbie: interesting. I'll hang around and maybe someone knows something.
1129[12:14:53] <Bushman> i've encountered a technical difficulty while trying to build a package...
1130[12:14:55] <Bushman> when i invoke 'dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc' it exits with a following error:
1131[12:14:58] <Bushman> dh_install: Cannot find (any matches for) "usr/lib/python2*" (tried in "." and "debian/tmp")
1132[12:15:14] <Habbie> Bushman, did you install the build dependencies?
1133[12:15:22] <Bushman> when googling for solution i've found few bugs refering to that behavious
1134[12:15:36] <Bushman> all of them seem to be fixed but "in the new version"
1135[12:15:43] <Habbie> Bushman, the new version of what?
1136[12:15:54] <rapha> Habbie: sometimes you just have to do something wrong or you can not do anything at all. In this case the user base is quite specific, so I find it justifiable. Right now they have to follow arcane-sounding instructions (replaced-url
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1138[12:16:04] <Habbie> rapha, yes, understood :)
1139[12:16:11] <Bushman> of whatever the person responding had in mind
1140[12:16:22] <Bushman> Habbie: also i did install the dependencies
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1142[12:17:11] <Bushman> it seems that the build prosess somehow miinterprets the path and tries to execute it? instead of forwarding it to something else.
1143[12:17:13] <BrahRah> conky is very awfull to use is there anything else?
1144[12:17:19] <Bushman> i'm terrible at those things...
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1148[12:17:43] <tachikomas> BrahRah: what we told you to
1149[12:17:47] <tachikomas> psensor
1150[12:17:51] <Bushman> all i know is it's most likely a buy but i can't seem to find a place with a temporary fix
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1154[12:18:38] <Bushman> Habbie: example: replaced-url
1155[12:18:41] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1157[12:18:53] <tehnull> conky is great
1158[12:19:03] <tehnull> not sure what's so awful about it
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1160[12:19:21] <Bushman> Habbie: "latest version of sssd" (whatever thatis)
1161[12:19:22] <tachikomas> tehnull: No autoconf to get fancy directly i guess :)
1162[12:19:39] <Bushman> judd: yeah
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1164[12:19:45] <Bushman> that one
1165[12:20:05] <Bushman> oh... judd is a bot >_<'
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1172[12:22:59] <BrahRah> I don't get why linux is still such a chore to use
1173[12:23:00] <EdePopede> BrahRah: there's nothing awful with Conky. you start it, it uses a default theme. if you want your own set of infos you get a rc file from the web or write your own and use this one. what is awful for you is nothing more than its flexibility.
1174[12:23:38] <BrahRah> it's too big and takes too much time to config
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1176[12:23:57] <Ticho> because it does more than one thing, and everyone wants it to do something else
1177[12:24:05] <tachikomas> BrahRah: So you want something that work out of the box, exacly how you want, without having to learn it right ?
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1179[12:24:14] <Bushman> Habbie: any clues?
1180[12:24:23] <BrahRah> yep
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1182[12:24:36] <tachikomas> BrahRah: Stop it right now then.
1183[12:24:38] <EdePopede> BrahRah: it is not. but don't expect IE and MS-Office. it has dozens of browsers and its own office package, which you often don't even need, since there are better solutions depending on what you want to do.
1184[12:24:52] <Ticho> you can always pay someone to write a program custom-tailored for you
1185[12:24:57] <tehnull> there's more complete .rc files in ~/.conky
1186[12:25:30] <BrahRah> so there is no easy to use alternative to cpu-z and core temp in linux then?
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1188[12:25:36] <tehnull> my conky config as seen here replaced-url
1189[12:25:37] <tachikomas> BrahRah: yes there is
1190[12:25:42] <BrahRah> which is?
1191[12:25:44] <tachikomas> BrahRah: but you dont listen
1192[12:25:50] <tachikomas> psensor with lm-sensors
1193[12:26:01] <tachikomas> replaced-url
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1196[12:26:49] <EdePopede> BrahRah: guess why i left XP behind more than a decade ago. it was an annoying piece of crap, things weren't working as easy as in linux and a lot of things were even easier to understand on linux thanks to the weird documentation microsoft delivered with the OS.
1197[12:26:51] <tehnull> if you have conky installed try conky -c "<your home directory>/.conky/TeejeeTech/CPU Panel (8-core)"
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1199[12:27:17] <tachikomas> EdePopede: yes but you read the manual.
1200[12:27:20] <tehnull> that and psensor should give you everything you want
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1202[12:27:36] <tachikomas> you dont expect it to work as you want just because you want it
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1204[12:27:51] <EdePopede> tachikomas: sure. i even check the option dialog when i'm confronted with a new program with a GUI ;)
1205[12:27:56] <BrahRah> how can I make psensor smaller and show on top?
1206[12:28:10] <tachikomas> BrahRah: Honestly ? RTFM
1207[12:28:28] <BrahRah> so you lied?
1208[12:28:32] <tachikomas> Oo
1209[12:28:39] <tehnull> dude
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1211[12:28:49] <tehnull> you can't be serious right now
1212[12:28:55] <BrahRah> I asek for something that didn't take me 1h
1213[12:29:02] <EdePopede> BrahRah: knwing how to resize windows and put them on top is a 101 for every windowbased interface
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1215[12:29:37] <EdePopede> BrahRah: since you seem to be a windows fan, how do you resize windows there?
1216[12:30:01] <BrahRah> that is not what I was asking
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1218[12:30:11] <tachikomas> you wanted to have temperature
1219[12:30:12] <BrahRah> I mean a overlay mode or soemthing
1220[12:30:14] <tachikomas> you have them now
1221[12:30:26] <tachikomas> you NEVER ask about an overlay
1222[12:30:29] <EdePopede> <BrahRah> how can I make psensor smaller and show on top? <-- yes, you did
1223[12:30:39] <BrahRah> what the point of having a huge ass window on top of everything
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1225[12:31:24] <EdePopede> <BrahRah> how can I make psensor smaller and show on top? <-- so why do you ask then?
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1227[12:31:42] <EdePopede> and if you want it out of the way, again, use conky.
1228[12:31:46] <BrahRah> thx for the effort but this is becomming to complicated and too much work for me to setup
1229[12:31:51] <humpled> what's the point of a constant temperature readout, is your computer broken or something?
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1233[12:32:24] <tehnull> if you don't want to configure anything you should probably be using a mac
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1235[12:32:41] <tachikomas> tehnull: nah. Even on mac it would not work like this.
1236[12:32:54] <BrahRah> works perfectly with core temp
1237[12:33:02] <BrahRah> easy to install and use
1238[12:33:04] <EdePopede> not configuring anything means someone else would have to do it
1239[12:33:10] <tachikomas> Yeah, told you 30 min ago.
1240[12:33:16] <tehnull> can you make the coretemp window tiny and force it to stay on top?
1241[12:33:47] <BrahRah> you can minimize it and it shows temp in tanskbar
1242[12:33:53] <BrahRah> *task
1243[12:33:54] <tehnull> here's my conky config
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1245[12:34:02] <tehnull> replaced-url
1246[12:34:07] <tehnull> are you using gnome?
1247[12:34:18] <EdePopede> it would even be possible to run sensors in an xterm in a loop with a tiny, but still readable, font
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1249[12:34:23] <BrahRah> thx for the help but linux ist still to complicated for me to use
1250[12:34:31] <BrahRah> I'll try again in a year or two
1251[12:34:35] <tachikomas> EdePopede: "watch -n1 sensors"
1252[12:34:36] <tehnull> lol
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1254[12:34:40] <tehnull> what a spaz
1255[12:34:41] <tachikomas> BrahRah: dude
1256[12:34:45] <tachikomas> it will not change anything
1257[12:34:51] <rapha> The question about hacking dpkg to have a package request its own reinstall is on SE now: replaced-url
1258[12:34:52] <tachikomas> you do not want to invest time on it
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1261[12:35:32] <BrahRah> why should I want to invest so much time on it?
1262[12:35:39] <tachikomas> learning ? passion ?
1263[12:35:40] <EdePopede> BrahRah: if you're not willing to change your approach, it won't help waiting another year.
1264[12:35:48] <tehnull> because it's better than anything else out there
1265[12:35:54] <tachikomas> why would you invest in your computer and watercooling ?
1266[12:35:58] <tehnull> and it doesn't collect all your private data and sell it
1267[12:36:18] <BrahRah> yes but what is the point if normal users can't use it?
1268[12:36:30] <humpled> just invested 40 minutes in arguing about it!
1269[12:36:32] <tehnull> normal users
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1271[12:36:55] <tehnull> aren't concerned with having their cpu temps and clocks displayed on the screen at all times
1272[12:37:03] <tehnull> you want configuration well outside the norm
1273[12:37:13] <tehnull> yet you're willing to invest 0 time or effort
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1275[12:37:23] <tehnull> I'm fairly certain you're just here to complain
1276[12:37:55] <BrahRah> ok I better leave thanks again and have fun with linux
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1278[12:38:01] <tachikomas> yeab
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1281[12:38:27] <tachikomas> incredible...
1282[12:38:36] <EdePopede> BrahRah: because that's who stuff works. you want to do something on your own, LEARN IT first. you had to learn to tie your bootlace, you even had to learn to get away from pampers. and you can write here because you learned to read and write. and you can use CPU-z because you learned how to download and install software on windows. learn to do things or have no clue how to do them. that's an integral part of everyone's life. you can't get around
1283[12:38:36] <EdePopede> it. really. you can't.
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1285[12:39:27] <rapha> hey, is there something that works like `while true; do something; done` with typing less and without breaking Ctrl-C?
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1287[12:39:58] <humpled> watch
1288[12:39:59] <tachikomas> rapha: you have to exit it at one point.
1289[12:40:07] <tachikomas> even watch
1290[12:41:14] <Bushman> when i invoke 'dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc' it exits with a following error:
1291[12:41:22] <Bushman> dh_install: Cannot find (any matches for) "usr/lib/python2*" (tried in "." and "debian/tmp")
1292[12:41:41] <Bushman> my google-fu is weak. any help?
1293[12:42:07] <Bushman> possibly related but no walkaround: replaced-url
1294[12:42:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1295[12:42:11] <jelly> rapha: you can replace "true" with :
1296[12:42:19] <jelly> so... typing less!
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1298[12:42:33] <rapha> tachikomas: yup, that's why I'd prefer something that doesn't break Ctrl-C.
1299[12:42:53] <tachikomas> Bushman: What are you trying to build
1300[12:43:01] <rapha> humpled: watch doesn't work because it actively ends the child process periodically.
1301[12:43:15] <Bushman> opencamlib
1302[12:43:19] <rapha> jelly: cool, that's a little improvement already :) thanks!
1303[12:43:23] <Bushman> for heeksCNC
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1310[12:52:14] <afidegnum> hello, do i enable apparmor in compain mode by default after system reboot?
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1319[13:02:09] <duoi> hey
1320[13:02:11] <duoi> so
1321[13:02:25] <duoi> im upgrading a really old vps running on openvz that has wheezy
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1323[13:03:07] <duoi> i'm upgrading to jessie first, because i imagine i cant jump upgrades cleanly?
1324[13:03:15] <duoi> i get to this point: replaced-url
1325[13:03:17] <duoi> any ideas?
1326[13:03:32] <jelly> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
1327[13:03:32] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
1328[13:04:08] <duoi> jelly i did exactly that. im stuck at the step with the image i posted.
1329[13:04:10] <jelly> duoi: two things: 1) skipping releases is NOT supported; 2) if your host kernel is like 2.6.32 things might not work AT ALL
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1332[13:05:01] <duoi> jelly uh, oh shit
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1334[13:05:10] <duoi> im using 2.6.32-042stab138.1
1335[13:05:10] <duoi> :/
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1337[13:06:10] <jelly> I _think_ libc6 from either jessie or stretch fails to work on that, not sure which
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1339[13:06:46] <duoi> what should i do here?
1340[13:06:55] <jelly> do you use ipv6 connectivity at all?
1341[13:07:04] <jelly> ,v wide-dhcpv6-client
1342[13:07:05] <judd> Package: wide-dhcpv6-client on amd64 -- jessie: 20080615-12; stretch: 20080615-19; buster: 20080615-22; sid: 20080615-22
1343[13:07:15] <duoi> i dont use it, no
1344[13:07:24] <jelly> then it probably does not matter?
1345[13:07:44] <duoi> so i can just hit the enter key?
1346[13:07:49] <jelly> (and why you have a dhcpv6 client package installed at all then)
1347[13:08:08] <jelly> I suppose so, yes, but I have no idea how dhcpv6 works.
1348[13:08:22] <duoi> you mentioned the kernel issues before which has me worried - could this lead to fires if i continue the upgrade to jessie?
1349[13:09:20] <afidegnum> any insight/
1350[13:09:27] <jelly> duoi: libc6 is usually one of the first packages to get upgraded, if you already have the newer one and commands still work, then you're safe
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1393[13:30:38] <kawaii> Happy birthday Debian! :)
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1408[13:44:01] <kts> Debian stable Chromium doesn't play some facebook video. Which additional packages do I need to install?
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1431[14:03:05] <Bushman> when i invoke 'dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc' it exits with a following error:
1432[14:03:13] <Bushman> dh_install: Cannot find (any matches for) "usr/lib/python2*" (tried in "." and "debian/tmp")
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1434[14:03:22] <Bushman> possibly related but no walkaround: replaced-url
1435[14:03:23] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1436[14:03:39] <jelly> Bushman: which source package and version are you building and on which debian release?
1437[14:03:41] <Bushman> need help finishing this build
1438[14:04:21] <Bushman> jelly: it's a debian 9 (base for linuxcnc package)
1439[14:04:43] <Bushman> i'm following those instructions:
1440[14:04:44] <Bushman> replaced-url
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1445[14:06:38] <Bushman> as you can see i'm stuck at runtime deps
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1451[14:11:13] <jelly> Bushman: pastebin the complete log.
1452[14:11:19] <jelly> !paste
1453[14:11:19] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1454[14:11:22] <Bushman> 1sec
1455[14:15:22] <Bushman> it will take me a while longer, i'll be right back
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1461[14:16:30] <Guest9> hi
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1464[14:18:31] <Bushman> jelly: here replaced-url
1465[14:18:36] <Bushman> sorry for the wait
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1478[14:30:18] <afidegnum> is there a new command for debian to add a key?
1479[14:30:43] <afidegnum> wget replaced-url
1480[14:30:48] <afidegnum> and i have this error
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1482[14:30:54] <afidegnum> Saving to: ‘STDOUT’
1483[14:30:54] <afidegnum> - 0%[ ] 0 --.-KB/s in 0s
1484[14:30:58] <afidegnum> Cannot write to ‘-’ (Broken pipe).
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1486[14:31:09] <Habbie> there should be more
1487[14:31:22] <petn-randall> afidegnum: Try downloading it to a file, and then adding it.
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1489[14:31:40] <EdePopede> is the space after -O optional?
1490[14:31:45] <petn-randall> Which is the way you should always use it, anyway. Since you want to verify that it's the right key.
1491[14:31:54] <Habbie> EdePopede, yes
1492[14:32:37] <petn-randall> No, it's not.
1493[14:32:54] <petn-randall> Oh wait, it is. Disregard my last comment.
1494[14:33:03] * petn-randall goes to grab some coffee.
1495[14:33:27] <EdePopede> "there's too much confusion"
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1497[14:34:49] <afidegnum> even this which suppseod to save an installer have teh same issue wget -O- replaced-url
1498[14:35:05] <Habbie> afidegnum, again, there should be more than the error you showed us
1499[14:35:11] <Habbie> afidegnum, also again, save to a file first
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1501[14:36:03] <afidegnum> replaced-url
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1503[14:38:36] <Habbie> second line
1504[14:38:37] <afidegnum> how do i add the local key? the file named keyfile
1505[14:39:13] <afidegnum> oooh, damn!
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1507[14:39:33] <afidegnum> i forgot
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1515[14:46:28] <finn0> I've installed icedtea-netx to run `jnlp` file but, getting this error when run javaws command from command line "java.security.AccessControlException: access denied ("java.io.FilePermission" "/usr/bin/xprop" "execute")" (full output: replaced-url
1516[14:46:30] <finn0> (1.6.2-3.1+deb9u1) ]. Is it a bug in package? [there is a bug report on replaced-url
1517[14:46:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1518[14:46:44] <Bushman> jelly: any ideas?
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1530[14:58:44] <jelly> Bushman: line 33 says -- Note: will NOT build python library
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1534[15:00:11] <jelly> Bushman: but then dh_install still tries to look for python stuff. So either you fix the invocation to go and build python stuff, or you comment out dh_python2 stuff in and around debian/rules
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1538[15:03:52] <f8e3> is this the latest,official buster build?
1539[15:03:56] <f8e3> replaced-url
1540[15:04:02] <f8e3> there is no torrent also?
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1543[15:05:14] <tachikomas> f8e3: you have a daily build normally
1544[15:05:54] <tachikomas> f8e3: replaced-url
1545[15:06:08] <tachikomas> daily/2019-06-17 05:52
1546[15:07:59] <f8e3> no torrent avail on the weekly build?
1547[15:08:01] <f8e3> buster
1548[15:08:18] <tachikomas> i dont think you will get any torrent file for that, as it would require a new build everyday
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1550[15:09:02] <tachikomas> no torrent file either in daily or weekly
1551[15:09:41] <f8e3> ok jigdo will do : replaced-url
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1553[15:11:09] <finn0> Any idea why am I getting this error?
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1555[15:12:12] <aloo_shu> oh yeah no, I haven't quite forgotten
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1566[15:21:00] <f8e3> gbt is newer than msdos, which one prevails by userbase?
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1568[15:21:13] <rapha> g*p*t?
1569[15:21:34] <rapha> wow that's probably impossible to tell. noone's keeping numbers on that...
1570[15:21:45] <jelly> f8e3: these are not images for common use, no torrent
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1579[15:27:49] <f8e3> jelly: i tried jigdo in the hope of faster connection by the autoselecting tool. but switched to server due lack of overall speed
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1583[15:28:09] <andre144k_> hi all
1584[15:28:42] <andre144k_> anyone can tell me follow raid-cotroller is working out-of-box in debian9? "SI00202 SAS 9260-8i" ?
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1587[15:29:14] <jelly> f8e3: just get the normal iso. it's not that slow
1588[15:29:35] <tachikomas> andre144k_: if you use a hardware raid this should not be a problem
1589[15:29:51] <tachikomas> as debian will see only one disk, not your raid
1590[15:30:12] <andre144k_> yes, this exactly i want
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1592[15:30:26] <tachikomas> normally any hardware raid tools can do it
1593[15:30:47] <andre144k_> but, is kernel kompatibel to this controller? can i boot from this without any extended driver modules?
1594[15:31:13] <andre144k_> where can i check this before buying?
1595[15:31:50] <tachikomas> your kernel boot on whatever disk at the end. But i can try to find this info :)
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1599[15:34:07] <tachikomas> andre144k_: broadcom issue a linux driver for this controller.
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1601[15:34:17] <tachikomas> replaced-url
1602[15:34:42] <tachikomas> While native driver support is included in many kernels, it should not be used and is not supported; only the drivers for the specific releases of Linux listed here are supported
1603[15:35:23] <tachikomas> it looks like this card is quite old. Hoever it *should* not be a problem
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1606[15:36:05] <tachikomas> your best bet would be to send a mail directly to broadcom
1607[15:36:07] <andre144k_> oki... then i can buy for a backup-server (nfs + cifs services)
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1609[15:36:21] <andre144k_> ?
1610[15:36:49] <tachikomas> should work, but better safe than sorry, send a mail to broadcom :)
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1612[15:37:51] <andre144k_> oki.. maybe u jknow a cheap, good working raid-controller which is working definitivly? i need raid1 + hotspare for SATA disks
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1623[15:40:41] <tachikomas> mhh, since you can do it on modern motherboard since quite a while for consumer, i cannot really help you in that matter, sorry.
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1631[15:43:26] <andre144k_> oki thank you for helping
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1652[15:57:52] <Matilda> people fuck things up and then get caught .... while i fuck everything up and then \ from it
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1661[16:04:01] <petn-randall> weird flex but ok
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1669[16:07:29] <Bushman> jelly: not really sure how to fix the invokation.
1670[16:07:41] <Bushman> i will attempt to comment it out tho
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1675[16:08:15] <Bushman> but wait...
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1678[16:08:25] <Bushman> the whole thing is one big python library
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1680[16:08:55] <Bushman> jelly: i'm not sure what "python stuff" it is not compiling
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1683[16:09:57] <Rania> k-line my ass
1684[16:09:57] <Bushman> the path in question is in python-ocl.install
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1686[16:10:54] <FinalX> Rania: You can't fake a K-Line message in that way; if you send it as raw QUIT message to the IRC-server, it'll get prefixed with "Quit: "
1687[16:11:05] <FinalX> So, yes, Matilda did get K-Lind.
1688[16:11:07] <FinalX> +e
1689[16:11:39] <tsglove> n00b question: I downloaded geckodriver (doing a Firefox + Selenium project). In what location should I put this driver? Should I create a /home/tsglove/bin and put it in there?
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1691[16:11:40] <FinalX> (though way of displaying depends on the client)
1692[16:11:53] <tsglove> Or is there a more appropriate location / best practice?
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1694[16:12:04] <colo-work> tsglove, typically, somewhere in your environment/shell's PATH
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1699[16:13:38] <tsglove> colo-work, thank you. I thought /usr/local/bin so I don't have a mess all over the system... yet I have never done this... so not sure.
1700[16:13:40] <tsglove> =)
1701[16:13:41] <tsglove> thanks
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1704[16:14:15] <colo-work> tsglove, I usually keep that kind of third-party stuff in a project-specific directory in /opt/, and just symlink in /usr/local/bin
1705[16:14:45] <tsglove> colo-work, out of curiosity on my part, why /opt/ ?
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1707[16:14:52] <tsglove> Tradition?
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1710[16:15:25] <colo-work> /opt/ is kinda intended for that stuff - replaced-url
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1713[16:15:54] <tsglove> on my way to read... thanks!
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1722[16:18:19] <tsglove> ahh opt/ /opt
1723[16:18:19] <tsglove> Optional application software packages. =) Today I Learned
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1725[16:18:36] <somiaj> the main difference in my experience is /opt is for stuff that likes to be in a single directory and contain all of its libaries, binares, share files etc. /usr/local is for something that is more designed to split up its files into usual spots like /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/share, /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/man
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1727[16:18:49] <Hilliary> k-line your mama ass
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1729[16:18:57] <greycat> /opt is the traditional place where you put Big Applications, like Java, or a third-party database, or MatLab, etc.
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1731[16:19:06] <somiaj> There are nice packages like stow that can help manage /usr/local
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1737[16:19:23] <greycat> As somiaj says, things that like to be self-contained.
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1739[16:19:48] <tsglove> Awesomness. Good info!
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1777[16:29:15] <Blanca> k-line my ass
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1779[16:29:47] <colo-work> I always liked whack-a-mole
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1782[16:30:41] <greycat> I don't understand the goal here. Did someone discover a Japanese bot net and wants to get every host in that bot net banned so it can't be used for worse spamming?
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1788[16:32:50] <stressedoutcat> some IPs are also in korea
1789[16:33:00] <EdePopede> it's all user account Adrea, one week old
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1796[16:34:21] <EdePopede> what tool from the live system can tell me why a package is installed in terms on rdeps?
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1827[16:39:26] <EdePopede> or someone has access to a db with old hacked accounts
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1868[16:46:33] <Guest81> hi
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1871[16:46:52] <stressedoutcat> EdePopede: it appears so
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1887[16:50:41] <wwilliam> any particular reason sendmail can not be installed normally in debian 9?
1888[16:50:54] <wwilliam> sendmail : Depends: sendmail-bin but it is not going to be installed
1889[16:50:55] <wwilliam> Depends: sensible-mda but it is not going to be installed
1890[16:50:57] <wwilliam> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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1894[16:51:16] <petn-randall> wwilliam: Sounds like you mixed releases or otherwise messed your installation up.
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1898[16:51:19] <petn-randall> !bat
1899[16:51:19] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1900[16:51:31] <petn-randall> wwilliam: Can you provide all of the above info in a single paste? ^^^
1901[16:51:43] <wwilliam> sure
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1906[16:52:44] <wwilliam> replaced-url
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1910[16:53:19] <wwilliam> replaced-url
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1916[16:55:07] <wwilliam> replaced-url
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1922[16:55:39] <greycat> wwilliam: the request was for you to put it all in a single paste
1923[16:55:40] <petn-randall> wwilliam: Not quite a single paste, but close enough. What happens if you run `apt-get install sendmail-bin`?
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1925[16:56:25] <wwilliam> installs
1926[16:56:36] <wwilliam> After this operation, 21.5 kB of additional disk space will be used.
1927[16:56:37] <wwilliam> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
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1929[16:56:50] <jmcnaught> wwilliam: just checking, but do you want the sendmail MTA itself, or do you just want the sendmail command (which is provided by other easier to configure MTAs)?
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1931[16:57:26] <wwilliam> I wanna see the default configuration file for sendmail sendmail.mc
1932[16:57:33] <wwilliam> that is all
1933[16:57:46] <wwilliam> but now i am curious why is not installing.
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1935[16:57:59] <petn-randall> wwilliam: I guess that the full output would have some more details, like it trying to remove packages.
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1937[16:58:24] <wwilliam> The following packages will be REMOVED:
1938[16:58:26] <wwilliam> exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light
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1943[17:01:59] <jelly> unidentified clients temporarily cannot talk. Sorry for the inconveniene.
1944[17:02:06] <kirk781> F
1945[17:02:31] <jelly> yours is identified, kirk781
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1947[17:03:02] <kirk781> Unidentified clients as in people using non standard IRC clients?
1948[17:03:19] <greycat> identified through nickserv
1949[17:03:46] <kirk781> Ah
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1953[17:05:39] <jelly> hm, maybe they're gone?
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1960[17:07:16] <stressedoutcat> ... after just 4 minutes? doubtful
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1978[17:14:24] <Piraty> hi. i want to build debian from scratch/source, which repo do i need to clone?
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1984[17:15:56] <stressedoutcat> Piraty: debian is not a single piece of software that you build from scratch - it's a collection of tools, each installed by the package manager (which is itself also a tool)
1985[17:16:19] <stressedoutcat> (I mean... *technically* you can build all the packages from scratch, but... - what is your goal, actually?)
1986[17:16:24] <Piraty> yes
1987[17:16:32] <Piraty> i know what i'm asking, no need to be rude
1988[17:16:41] <Piraty> i'm after the build system
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1990[17:17:31] <stressedoutcat> not being rude - your question was just very vague
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1993[17:17:46] <Piraty> where can i find the build system?
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1995[17:18:08] <pstk> hi
1996[17:18:18] <ksk> !tell Piraty about deb-src
1997[17:18:30] <Piraty> preferrably on a non-debian host
1998[17:18:48] <ksk> take a look at what the bot wrote you and go on from there. (short answer: no)
1999[17:18:57] <petn-randall> Piraty: The more specific you are with your goals, the better we can direct you to the right resources.
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2001[17:18:59] <stressedoutcat> the build system is a collection of tools as well...
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2004[17:19:48] <petn-randall> You'll need to bootstrap it somehow, unless you want to write your own compiler with a magnetic needle and a steady hand ... :)
2005[17:20:04] <Piraty> i know how to handle compilers
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2010[17:20:41] <Piraty> i can't get more specific than "i want to build packages, as of a specific debian version (stretch maybe), to build my own debian repo just if it was downloaded from the net"
2011[17:21:24] <stressedoutcat> yeah... you didn't specify that detail in your original question, so please stop acting annoyed
2012[17:21:35] <ksk> if you want to build stretch debian packages (god why?) then you would need to build them on the target platform (stretch..) anyways.
2013[17:21:47] <petn-randall> Piraty: Then the factoid you got is a good start, though you'll still have to solve the issue of bootstrapping.
2014[17:22:08] <ksk> and the issue of not having dependencies in $your-distro - most likely.
2015[17:22:40] <Piraty> i could binary-bootstrap by using debootstrap and build in a chroot ?
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2018[17:22:58] <petn-randall> Sure, that's how the buildds do it.
2019[17:23:10] <nt80> is it possible to log martian IPv6 packets on debian ?
2020[17:23:11] <petn-randall> Piraty: You might want to look into sbuild.
2021[17:23:24] <petn-randall> nt80: Sure, should be the same as with ipv4.
2022[17:23:40] <nt80> sysctl -a| grep martians there are no options for ipv6
2023[17:24:00] <pstk> on stretch, im trying to build debian collectd package, but I get every time: replaced-url
2024[17:24:10] <pstk> any idea?
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2027[17:24:49] <petn-randall> pstk: Are you trying to build the stretch version on stretch?
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2029[17:25:13] <pstk> petn-randall: yup
2030[17:25:46] <Piraty> thanks petn-randall, that was helpful
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2051[17:35:25] <GenTooMan> I was attempting to install kicad 5.02 using backports in debian stretch, it appears they neglected to actually put KiCAD 5.02 in the backport it automatically uninstalls KiCad 4.05 obviously the KiCAD foot prints are messed up but backports are as well it appears.
2052[17:35:37] <GenTooMan> suggestions apart from install KiCAD by hand?
2053[17:35:54] <petn-randall> ,v kicad
2054[17:35:55] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.1.2+dfsg1-1
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2057[17:36:44] <petn-randall> GenTooMan: I'd take a guess and assume that it's expected. Hard to say without seeing any output, though.
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2064[17:41:25] <jelly> GenTooMan: what does "neglected to actually put KiCAD 5.02 in the backport" mean?
2065[17:41:32] <pstk> any idea for collectd?
2066[17:41:50] <jelly> GenTooMan: if there's no executable or it does not work, mail a bug report to the backports mailing list
2067[17:44:02] <greycat> pstk: I would imagine the actual error occurs *before* the thing you put on the paste site
2068[17:44:26] <greycat> pstk: make sure you installed all of the build-dependencies
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2072[17:45:59] <pstk> greycat: Ive made "apt build-dep collectd"
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2074[17:46:48] <greycat> you'll need to find the actual error then, which could be up higher in the terminal scrollback, or could be in a config.log file
2075[17:47:19] <pstk> you're right
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2077[17:47:32] <pstk> ./conftest.c:221: undefined reference to `iptc_init' configure:26328: checking for library containing iptc_init
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2081[17:49:45] <pstk> libiptc-dev/now 1.8.2-4 amd64 [installed,local] :(
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2085[17:51:41] <GenTooMan> jelly if they hadn't noticed yet it's not likely going to happen soon. I can send a missive however I have to install KiCAD the old fashioned way.
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2104[18:02:26] <kts> Debian Stretch Chromium doesn't play some Facebook videos. Do I need to install some additional packages?
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2135[18:23:22] <CrazyBi7> Guys, I've an Intel Atom D2550, which architeture should I choise with debian?
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2137[18:24:37] <greycat> replaced-url
2138[18:24:46] <greycat> so if that's not a lie, then you'd want amd64
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2147[18:27:04] <CrazyBi7> greycat: ok, thank you, I was a bit confused
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2149[18:28:58] <greycat> replaced-url
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2172[18:39:01] <script_> HELP COUNTRY
2173[18:39:26] <script_> COUNTRY -s +91
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2175[18:40:02] <script_> COUNTRY -s 91
2176[18:40:18] <script_> COUNTRY -S In
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2178[18:40:24] <greycat> script_: please stop.
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2180[18:40:42] <script_> I am new to IRC
2181[18:41:01] <script_> Any help is appreciated
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2183[18:41:46] <greycat> If you have a question about Debian, just ask it.
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2213[19:01:47] <Vuks> Hello. I'm trying to set up SANE with a HP AIO machine on my RPI running Debian Stretch, to provide scanner utility to Windows 10 machines on the local network. CUPS works fine for printing. The `saned` user is in group `lp`, and the machine is listed after `scanimage -L`. Yet when I try to access it via SaneTwain on Windows, PCUSER is granted access by `saned` but logs show `saned[2080]: io/hpmud/musb.c 2101: Invalid usb_open: Permission
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2226[19:09:05] <Primer> Sounds like a local issue
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2230[19:10:38] <Vuks> All I know about this is that adding saned to group lp was supposed to fix the issue since it's a weird thing HP machines have, but now I'm stuck
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2241[19:16:14] <zophyx> can someone recommend a nice 'howto' about a voice recognition to bash command line entry functionality ?
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2244[19:16:46] <greycat> 1) hire secretary, 2) give keyboard to secretary, 3) speak
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2246[19:17:44] <greycat> Even that is frightening, but not nearly as terrifying as some kind of voice recognition typing and executing shell commands.
2247[19:19:12] <zophyx> greycat, what is frightening is that a google service shows up at the top of a google search for this
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2249[19:19:50] <Vuks> figures, with their voice assistant
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2251[19:20:24] <Vuks> if anyone offers that kind of service, they'll for sure have something like Alexa/Google assistant already available
2252[19:20:36] <petn-randall> zophyx: You could use the non-free google/amazon service for speech-to-text, though then all your voice data will pipe through their datacentres, with all the data privacy issues.
2253[19:21:08] <petn-randall> zophyx: I think there are only a few FOSS projects that are attempting this, but they're far from being as good as those services, and even they are ok at best.
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2259[19:24:07] <rawtaz> hey peeps.
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2261[19:25:17] <rawtaz> im trying to figure out if debian (or otherwise some other linux dist) can run on a notebook named Samsung NP-N310 with the addition of -KA01SE as well, from 2009. im unable to find any specifics on this though, does anyone have a clue?
2262[19:28:01] <zophyx> replaced-url
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2264[19:28:25] <zophyx> that was what garnered my intefrest
2265[19:28:34] <zophyx> interefst
2266[19:28:41] <zophyx> ontererfest
2267[19:28:44] <zophyx> interest
2268[19:29:05] <ghormoon> hi, anyone knows if i can make mitmproxy not cut off long responses? stired making --stream crazy hing numbers, but then i don't see them at all (only headers)
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2271[19:30:55] <ekleog> Hey! How should I ask that the homepage for a package be changed?
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2275[19:31:42] <ekleog> (the homepage for replaced-url
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2299[19:43:43] <ekleog> oh the email address of the maintainer is public, guess I'll just email them
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2302[19:44:32] <omv_newbie> Anyone here familiar with installing Debian on a Dell 2950?
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2308[19:47:22] <jmcnaught> omv_newbie: you'll probably need to ask a more specific problem than that. Are you having trouble installing Debian?
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2320[19:55:44] <n1ce> hi people
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2322[19:56:42] <finn0> Is someone maintaining log of this channel? Or have matrix bridge support. I asked a question and not online from couple of hours.
2323[19:56:52] <annadane> !irclog
2324[19:56:52] <dpkg> [irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
2325[19:56:59] <annadane> but i think freenode lags behind
2326[19:57:19] <annadane> someone here probably has logs in here going back a few hour
2327[19:57:20] <annadane> s
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2330[19:58:06] <finn0> annadane: Thanks, That's fine I just need to see if someone have answered my question.
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2332[19:58:29] <annadane> unfortunately i left so i don't have the logs :P
2333[19:58:51] <annadane> alternatively try asking it again i guess
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2345[20:02:01] <finn0> annadane: Does !irclog works on every channel or it have to define specifically for channel by moderators? Is there a way to know what are the keywords like !irclog, !parrot etc defined for a channel?
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2347[20:04:45] <annadane> uh... it works in channels where dpkg is present
2348[20:04:50] <annadane> !search dpkg
2349[20:04:50] <dpkg> You can search my database on the web at replaced-url
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2355[20:09:08] <finn0> annadane: Thanks.
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2357[20:09:19] <CrazyBi7> sorry, can someone give me the download link for Debian 9.9 amd64 that don't need the CD-ROM?
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2361[20:10:14] <jmcnaught> CrazyBi7: replaced-url
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2365[20:13:24] <binaryhermit> heh replaced-url
2366[20:13:54] <binaryhermit> don't mean to get into the politics of that, just the fact that a politician did something stupid but harmless like that
2367[20:14:04] <GenTooMan> KiCAD 5.0.2 works but it took an hour to build fortunately they included the part libraries.
2368[20:14:21] <Vuks> dear god this is annoying... SANE is
2369[20:14:32] <Vuks> whoops, entered
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2372[20:15:36] <Vuks> so the thing is, SANE is set up and working on a headless system, did a `scanimage -T` from a ssh session and it was all good
2373[20:16:15] <Vuks> but when an user from the network tries to scan something, saned will get denied access to usb
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2375[20:17:28] <Vuks> replaced-url
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2379[20:18:31] <Vuks> I'm running saned via xinetd here if that helps
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2388[20:21:20] <mutantturkey> on my /etc/network/intefaces, i want to assign a static ipv6 address for one of my test boxes, but this doesn't work. replaced-url
2389[20:21:36] <mutantturkey> though, if i do `ip addr add fd00:ffff/64 dev eth0` it works just fine
2390[20:22:04] <mutantturkey> am i doing the configuration ifle incorrectly/
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2392[20:22:24] <Habbie> mutantturkey, is that the right paste?
2393[20:22:31] <mutantturkey> yes?
2394[20:23:00] <mutantturkey> that's the entry for eth0 in my interfaces file
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2396[20:23:22] <mutantturkey> or shoulld i just do something like
2397[20:23:32] <mutantturkey> use the up/down option?
2398[20:23:51] <Habbie> fd00:ffff is too short to be a v6 address
2399[20:23:58] <mutantturkey> headslap
2400[20:23:59] <Habbie> i'm surprised 'ip addr' is willing to parse it
2401[20:24:07] <mutantturkey> nah, i'm just stupid.
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2403[20:24:14] <mutantturkey> fd00::ffff is fine.
2404[20:24:19] <Habbie> yes
2405[20:24:26] <mutantturkey> let me reinstall and reboot and see if that fixes it.
2406[20:24:28] <f8e3> after smooth installation debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso the desktop manager xfce4 (only installed) wont start leaving a blank screen while dropping to tty654.. etc works. what went wrong, rc bug?
2407[20:24:56] <mutantturkey> f8e3: what's your display manager? xfdm?
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2409[20:25:16] <mutantturkey> (do they even have a display manager?_)
2410[20:25:37] <f8e3> graphical install -> [x] xfce4 (all i know)
2411[20:25:47] <mutantturkey> f8e3: try to restart the gdm service and see what happens.
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2413[20:25:53] <mutantturkey> then you can checkout the logs and see what's up.
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2423[20:28:45] <f8e3> was happy for deb10, now not, : rm -r /var/cache/lightdm and then systemctl restart lightdm ; (probably)
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2425[20:28:55] <f8e3> i dunno if i break sth. so will stay deb9 for now
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2461[20:47:44] <jhutchins_wk> mutantturkey: XFCE typically uses lightdm
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2463[20:48:10] <jhutchins_wk> !debian-next
2464[20:48:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2466[20:48:44] <jhutchins_wk> f8e3: Typically that's a video driver problem. What's your chipset?
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2487[21:02:31] <xzcvczx> how do i see what configuration options are set to create the binary package of busybox?
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2489[21:02:50] <Habbie> xzcvczx, apt-get source busybox
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2502[21:08:28] <xzcvczx> Habbie: ah, thanks
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2534[21:22:28] <f8e3> jhutchins_wk i3-2310M CPU intel
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2538[21:23:42] <somiaj> xzcvczx: debian also has ways to browse the source code online if you don't want to download it yourself. from tracker.debian.org/busybox you can click on browse source code to get replaced-url
2539[21:24:53] <greycat> interesting that "browser source code" links to /unstable/
2540[21:24:56] <greycat> browse*
2541[21:25:10] <somiaj> yea, the tracker seems to always link to the newest version of the package.
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2543[21:25:31] <greycat> it's probably a tool aimed more a DDs than end users
2544[21:26:22] <xzcvczx> somiaj: is that with the patches applied or not?
2545[21:29:14] <somiaj> xzcvczx: The patches should be in debian/patches. I'm unsure if they are applied in the archive or not, but they get applied during the build.
2546[21:29:25] <xzcvczx> yeah they seem to be applied
2547[21:29:27] <xzcvczx> thanks
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2560[21:40:22] <mojikun> if i set grub_timeout=0, and my new kernel doesn't boot, i have no way to select the old kernel at boot? (like when pressing shift on bootup)
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2569[21:48:28] <somiaj> mojikun: You would have to use a live/recovery image in that case
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2571[21:49:14] <somiaj> one thing you could do is when installing a new kernel, you can tell grub to boot a kernel exactly once, then go boot the old one, but this would require modifing the grub scripts which decide which kernel is default.
2572[21:49:49] <somiaj> so thus when you install a new kernel, it won't make it default at boot. You can then tell grub to boot it one time, that way if it fails, it sould go back to your good kernel. Once you have tested the kernel you could then change it to default.
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2578[21:50:59] <mojikun> somiaj, yeah makes sense
2579[21:51:02] <mojikun> thanks
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2581[21:52:03] <iamuser2> hi there is an err unmounting in my usb
2582[21:52:25] <iamuser2> when i do lsblk
2583[21:52:28] <iamuser2> sdc 8:32 1 14.4G 1 disk
2584[21:52:28] <iamuser2> ├─sdc1 8:33 1 1K 1 part
2585[21:52:28] <iamuser2> └─sdc5 8:37 1 14.4G 1 part
2586[21:52:28] <iamuser2> sr0 11:0 1 1024M 0 rom
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2590[21:54:12] <iamuser2> i was kiced for pasting sorry
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2592[21:54:21] <xzcvczx> iamuser2: still got a terminal cd's into the usb mounted dir?
2593[21:54:28] <xzcvczx> cd'd*
2594[21:54:46] <iamuser2> i had to get my data on my usb or i'll be fired
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2600[21:58:47] <iamuser2> any solve?
2601[21:58:57] <somiaj> what error did you get when umounting?
2602[21:59:03] <somiaj> did it say somethig like 'device is busy'
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2607[21:59:44] <xzcvczx> oh the wonderfulness of trying to assist someone with a horribly unreliable connection
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2610[22:00:52] <User2> I opend it from here
2611[22:00:56] <nulix> xzcvczx, lol
2612[22:01:12] <User2> Any solve it's important
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2614[22:01:48] <xzcvczx> User2: somiaj> did it say somethig like 'device is busy'
2615[22:02:07] <xzcvczx> ?
2616[22:03:11] <User2> No
2617[22:03:27] <User2> It's unmounted
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2619[22:04:01] <xzcvczx> so whats the problem then?
2620[22:04:05] <User2> And when i try from windows it's protected from write
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2622[22:04:17] <User2> I cant open it any way
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2624[22:04:40] <User2> I tried chkdsk from cmd
2625[22:04:41] <xzcvczx> what filesystem is the usb drive?
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2627[22:04:51] <User2> Nsft
2628[22:05:14] <somiaj> we can't really help you with ##windows issue. What file system is on the usb drive?
2629[22:05:19] <towo`> the partitioning of that stick is crap³
2630[22:05:25] <xzcvczx> i think he meant ntfs
2631[22:05:52] <User2> What is file system on the usb?
2632[22:05:57] <somiaj> yea, windows will get mad if you have more than one partition on a removable device. Ask ##windows if there is anyway around that.
2633[22:05:59] <towo`> making a logigal partition on a usb-stick is without any sense
2634[22:06:07] <User2> Want me to check gparted?
2635[22:06:23] <humpled> if that's the usb stick, where is the hard drive?
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2638[22:06:48] <User2> Ntfs yes
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2640[22:07:04] <xzcvczx> somiaj: really? that seems a rather stupid limitation
2641[22:07:10] <xzcvczx> then again....
2642[22:07:15] <jolt> copy the data to linux disk, reformat the stick in wintendo, copy the data back from linux?
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2644[22:07:21] <User2> So is there any mounting command
2645[22:07:35] <User2> Copy data?
2646[22:07:42] <User2> I cant open it
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2649[22:08:47] <nulix> User2, replaced-url
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2651[22:09:18] <User2> Thanks
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2655[22:10:25] <somiaj> xzcvczx: it is stupid, I once tried to put a second vfat partition on my debian installer so I could access from windows. I was denyed (there is a hardware bit that says I'm a removable device and windows expects it to have only one partition)
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2657[22:10:32] <User2> This will format it??!
2658[22:10:50] <somiaj> maybe this changed with windows 10, but it was a limitation where the only workaround I found was phsyicall sodering (or breaking) that bit on the usb drive.
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2664[22:13:46] <User2> Not working guys
2665[22:13:50] <crn> User2, replaced-url
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2668[22:14:05] <User2> I will watch it
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2670[22:15:17] <nulix> somiaj, i think that in recent versions of windows 10 that behaviour has been fixed and disk manager behaves with several partitions on a removable drive
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2672[22:15:25] <mojikun> replaced-url
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2674[22:15:34] <mojikun> the key to boot grub menu is ESC
2675[22:15:45] <xzcvczx> somiaj: i guess i can sort of see the sense in that for normal computer users, but still what a pain in the ass for "Experts"
2676[22:15:59] <somiaj> nulix: could be. I haven't tried since I ran into that issue years ago.
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2684[22:18:29] <nulix> User2, maybe you should try jolt's suggewstion and start from scratch: format the usb drive on windows; mount it on linux; copy files;unmount on linux; mount on windows
2685[22:18:49] <nulix> sugestion
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2688[22:19:21] <xzcvczx> speaking of, how is linux's ntfs support these days, last time i dealt with ntfs on linux was about a decade ago and in those days read-only was very popular
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2690[22:19:46] <greycat> !ntfs rw
2691[22:19:47] <dpkg> NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: replaced-url
2692[22:20:01] <nulix> xzcvczx, strait forward. no problems whatsoever.
2693[22:20:03] <xzcvczx> ah ok, so not much has changed then, thanks greycat
2694[22:20:30] <xzcvczx> nulix: yeah but ntfs-3g was the only rw back in teh days, i wasn't sure if there was a kernel-space driver, although i guess i understand why its still userspace only
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2699[22:21:12] <somiaj> partly because of the power of fuse, with fuse there is less of a reason (for multiple reasons) to put stuff inside the kernel.
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2702[22:21:53] <xzcvczx> somiaj: i am sure its also partly to do with the patents that are likely on ntfs as well though
2703[22:22:06] <xzcvczx> as tuxera is a licensee of ms's filesystems
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2706[22:23:13] <somiaj> that shouldn't be an issue if it meets the DSFG (Which ntfs-3g does). There are lots of reasons being able to deal with fielsystems in userland over fuse is helpful. ntfs-3g was just one of the first to utilize this. But there are multiple filesystem implications in linux over fuse now.
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2709[22:23:59] <somiaj> For some reason I think zfslinux uses fuse too (forget though)
2710[22:25:42] <jhutchins_wk> I can never remember whether useradd or adduser is the debian preferred long-form.
2711[22:26:01] <somiaj> adduser is the debian script on top of useradd.
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2713[22:26:17] <greycat> adduser is the friendly one
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2715[22:26:27] <greycat> useradd is the low-level one
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2717[22:28:48] <somiaj> main reason I rember this is on my centos/rhel machines, there is no adduser, and I have to look up all the options for useradd each time I use it.
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2728[22:34:21] <jhutchins_wk> Thx.
2729[22:35:59] <jhutchins_wk> I though RH used to have that. We're ldap now anyway.
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2809[23:24:40] <raedah> I just installed golang with sudo apt-get install golang-dep then realized it was an older version. How do I uninstall it? sudo apt-get remove golang-dep says Unable to locate package golang-dep
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2812[23:26:13] <raedah> nevermind, apt-get remove golang-go works, was using the wrong pkg name
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2814[23:26:33] <HelloShitty> Hello everyone. I'm trying to understan how 'dd' works when we want to create a sparse file
2815[23:26:41] <humpled> raedah: .bash_history is your friend ;)
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2818[23:27:00] <HelloShitty> but I don't understand the args bs=1, count=0 and seek=512M
2819[23:27:20] <HelloShitty> Or better, I do understan the args
2820[23:27:27] <HelloShitty> or at least partially
2821[23:27:37] <HelloShitty> Why count must be 0?
2822[23:27:56] <raedah> do people usually install Go via source though? Seems like debian is going to have a version too old for most Go devs who usually work on the latest release.
2823[23:27:59] <HelloShitty> and why if I change bs to 16k for example, I get a file with 8Tb?
2824[23:28:42] <cVsup> Somebody can say why one driver use firmware and other don 't? I have 2 rtl8169 and when running ethtool -i enp2s0 one say that use firmware and other not.
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2836[23:40:04] <hypn0> why do you have 2?
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2840[23:41:26] <xzcvczx> hypn0: many reasons for multiople nics, a server with redudant network connections, a router
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2844[23:43:10] <dramallama8086> I'm having a helluva time getting latest nvidia drivers install on Buster. On a fresh install, it's telling me E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
2845[23:43:43] <dramallama8086> I've tried installing the Linux headers for my kernel, as instructed on the OUT OF DATE wiki.
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2847[23:44:02] <dramallama8086> Anyone had or seen this problem?
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2851[23:48:11] <aquad> ssh -D 8080 user1@88.119.155.120 password: Abcd1234 , can someone help to create DNS server ?
2852[23:48:18] <eb0t> Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3
2853[23:48:27] <eb0t> why am i getting that error
2854[23:48:36] <eb0t> surely debian should have pulled that in if required
2855[23:49:15] <dramallama8086> omg I figured it out. didn't have 'contrib' in my sources
2856[23:49:18] <Habbie> eb0t, because it's nonfree
2857[23:49:43] <eb0t> hmm Habbie it doesnt even say what it is for
2858[23:49:50] <eb0t> so i could maybe work out why it is asking for it
2859[23:50:18] <Habbie> eb0t, start by figuring out if you care :)
2860[23:50:30] <eb0t> what a load of rubbish is that habbie
2861[23:50:41] <eb0t> im here to figure it out
2862[23:50:48] <eb0t> who the heck do you think you are speaking to
2863[23:51:06] <Habbie> bye
2864[23:51:07] <eb0t> this is what the channel is for
2865[23:51:11] <eb0t> dont be an idiot
2866[23:51:26] <eb0t> good riddance
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2885[23:58:40] * themill pretends to be surprised to see that manner of asking for help is ineffective
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2888[23:59:48] <xzcvczx> themill: entertaining though
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