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1 [00:00:01] <dudebro_> looks good to me
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3 [00:00:24] <rant> they've been adding a lot of new applets that are optional packages
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5 [00:01:06] <rant> like you can now put the window buttons minimize/maximize/close in the panel and make it work similar to old mac os.. you can use docks that both launch and iconify/restore apps.. etc
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7 [00:02:22] <rant> mate is the most mature and flexible DE you can just swap out whatever you dont want or like..
8 [00:02:48] <BCMM> dpkg: tell HelloShitty about paste
9 [00:03:07] <rant> you could run pcmanfm or thunar istead of caja, or swap out marco for anothr wm like openbox or such.. or w/e
10 [00:03:42] <annadane> MATE is also the only DE i know that's been backported
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15 [00:07:38] <rant> it was the little details like mate-volume-control and its display settings that made me switch back from XFCE.. xfce couldnt handle the simple things like remembering my audio/video settings when I went to/from my desk where I have two additional displays and different audio setup.. mate just automatically switches back to last known config even if I try trick it and only plug in the DP or the VGA and not
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17 [00:07:44] <rant> both.. it'll restore the last known config with just thats stuff hooked up.. automatically..
18 [00:08:01] <rant> and idk what it is that does that, but its way better than having to go tool around in the dialogs every time I leave my desk or come back
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20 [00:08:21] <annadane> how did you install it, tasksel?
21 [00:08:38] <rant> listen to you.. :P
22 [00:08:52] <annadane> yeah, dumb question
23 [00:08:59] <rant> I was born at 10:19a on a Wed, but it wasnt this past wed..
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25 [00:09:40] <rant> I usually use the task-mate-desktop package though.. so everything is auto-installed and easy to remove
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27 [00:10:41] <rant> really I'd like to get back to a custom setup but I dont see it happening anytime soon unless I get to work hackin
28 [00:11:12] <rant> I miss sawfish.. but its been unmaintained mostly, and its EWMH and Multihead is atrocious
29 [00:11:42] <annadane> well that's what i asked! "do you use tasksel"
30 [00:11:48] <rant> but nothing seems to handle multihead well still.. especially if you dont have all the same res screens aligned in a perfect layout
31 [00:12:11] <rant> annadane: tasksel is like training wheels and those pull up diapers
32 [00:12:13] <rant> heh
33 [00:12:21] <rant> I just use the metapackages directly
34 [00:12:37] <annadane> isn't task-x-desktop what you get if you install via the installer...
35 [00:12:54] <rant> yeah but I dont need a special command and cartoony interface to do it :P
36 [00:13:04] <annadane> yeah but... never mind :D
37 [00:13:25] <rant> but you do it with apt install task-mate-desktop and task-xfce-desktop so when you wanna get rid of it, you can just remove that and autoremove
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39 [00:13:38] <rant> or you can get it all then weed it out
40 [00:14:00] <rant> then you just apt install caja mate-panel or whatever you know you wanna keep to mark it as manual
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42 [00:14:42] <rant> years ago we used to play hell in here trying to figure out how to untistall DE for people
43 [00:14:53] <rant> figuring out which was the domino they all relied on
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46 [00:15:21] <rant> now there are so many damn meta packages in a DE its a lot easier
47 [00:15:37] <annadane> i just don't use firefox esr so i don't use task- packages
48 [00:15:52] <rant> I only use it for netflix.. which I rarely use
49 [00:16:05] <rant> I have a custom userChrome.css to make it appear totally chromeless
50 [00:16:13] <annadane> i actually tried esr recently and it told me essentially "it's too old for this extension"
51 [00:16:24] <annadane> which i assume those issues vanished after everyone caught up to quantum
52 [00:16:33] <rant> works fine on netflix for me, and thats all I use it for
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54 [00:17:16] <rant> I use firefox 45 or some crap in wine for Xfinity Stream.. ugh..
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56 [00:17:33] <rant> those idiots need to get to work on getting rid of flash
57 [00:18:38] <jhutchins> You can also just ignor packages you don't use. Disk space is cheap.
58 [00:19:01] <rant> either they don't know, don't show, or just dont care about being a menace to sou-- erm.. I mean about the fact that adobe isnt going to ship flash anymore
59 [00:19:22] <rant> yeah but cluttered menus is annoying
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61 [00:20:06] <rant> I been considering hacking a small tool to add in the ShowOnlyIn= crap for people who wanna try multiple DE
62 [00:20:17] <rant> cause it gets a bit ridiculous
63 [00:20:38] <rant> having a calculator, editor, archiver, filemanager, etc from each DE showing up
64 [00:20:59] <jaggz> how do you search for packagename containing "foo" that's also installed?
65 [00:21:15] <rant> and its a lot to go in and edit all at once.. easier to just have a script make copies of the .desktop files to your homedir with the ShowOnlyIn= already there.. and you just delete em to revert
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67 [00:21:35] <jaggz> got it.. have to put the space-separated search terms as one argument
68 [00:21:47] <jaggz> example: aptitude search '?installed nvidia'
69 [00:22:38] <rant> jaggz: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i | grep *nvidia*
70 [00:22:38] <jelly> if you're looking for nvidia's closed source driver bits,
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73 [00:22:46] <rant> there are like a million ways to skin that cat
74 [00:23:10] <jelly> aptitude -F'%a%c%M %30p %10v %10d' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)'
75 [00:23:21] <rant> its a lil buggy but packagesearch is a really nice tool
76 [00:23:26] <rant> ,i packagesearch
77 [00:23:27] <judd> Package packagesearch (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: GUI for searching packages and viewing package information. Version: 2.7.5+b4; Size: 325.5k; Installed: 1418k; Screenshot: replaced-url
78 [00:23:32] <jelly> rant: * does not do what you think it does with grep
79 [00:23:51] <rant> jelly: yeah that was suppose to go on the dpkg -l :P
80 [00:24:11] <rant> dpkg -l *nvidia* | egrep ^.i
81 [00:24:11] <dpkg> ii *nvidia* | egrep ^.i 2.5-4.1 rant's private stamp collection
82 [00:24:26] <rant> dpkg: shh, dont show them that..
83 [00:24:26] <dpkg> rant: are you using Windows?
84 [00:24:34] <rant> you're a towel!
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108 [00:51:10] <mason> Am I looking in the wrong places, or is there not even a bug open to address CVE-2019-12735 in stable?
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112 [00:58:39] <jelly> dpkg, cve lookup CVE-2019-12735
113 [00:58:39] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2019-12735 may be found at replaced-url
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122 [01:10:29] <jelly> mason: the same bug report can be used to manage the same security issue in multiple release branches (ie. all of unstable, stable and oldstable if it's still managed by Debian Security Team)
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154 [01:54:28] <FunkyBob> so the help I received recently has stopped two browsers opening every time I open a link from another app...
155 [01:54:34] <FunkyBob> ... now I get 3 tabs in the right browser :/
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164 [02:01:51] <un214> so what can we say about apparmor on by default right now?
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166 [02:03:09] <annadane> it's... a thing in buster?
167 [02:03:14] <annadane> want to be more specific?
168 [02:03:44] <FunkyBob> iirc that's bitten me already, with thunderbird...
169 [02:04:05] <un214> well they turned it on and I don't really understand it and I hated SELinux so much back in the day I knocked it out of the kernel
170 [02:04:22] <un214> (It was worth it to compile custom kernels...)
171 [02:04:59] <FunkyBob> it does have that sort of SELinux feel of "people will keep getting told to just turn it off"
172 [02:06:01] <un214> I've fully reverted to "log in as root on the console whenever I want to do something admin like" so it's probable it won't be too much hassle for me
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176 [02:07:47] <somiaj> un214: looks easy enough to disable, replaced-url
177 [02:08:08] <somiaj> though my understanding is it shoudln't be getting in the way and only have minimial profiles. Was this thunderbird custom or the one from debian?
178 [02:08:13] <somiaj> ,v thunderbird
179 [02:08:14] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:60.6.1-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 1:60.7.0-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:60.7.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:60.7.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:60.7.0-1; sid: 1:60.7.0-1; experimental: 1:66.0~b1-1
180 [02:08:26] <somiaj> also check for bug reports
181 [02:08:46] <un214> ugh copy paste grub command. I had to abandon grub
182 [02:09:14] <mason> jelly: Thank you. I didn't see a back-end bug for stable, is what I meant - just for Buster and Sid.
183 [02:09:22] <somiaj> well then adjust for your boot loader, all you need to do is add apparmor=0 to your boot line
184 [02:09:30] <un214> ah got it
185 [02:09:44] <mason> ,v elilo
186 [02:09:45] <judd> Package: elilo on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14-3
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191 [02:12:38] <jelly> mason: security tracker knows it's unfixed in stable, I _think_ that means Security Team also knows.
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193 [02:13:50] <jelly> un214: only some apps have AppArmor profiles.
194 [02:14:16] <jelly> the rest have unrestricted access to resources as if apparmor was not there
195 [02:14:25] <mason> jelly: Alright, and they would have reasonable cause to not telegraph progress.
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197 [02:15:52] <somiaj> un214: the wiki also sugegst you can disable just the profiles that are causing you trouble, like the thunderbird one. (though check the bug reporst, debian does want ot know if the profiels are geting in the way)
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231 [02:49:47] <annadane> are mounted (via graphical file manager) /media pathnames always the same?
232 [02:50:16] <annadane> /media/annadane/<long string of characters>
233 [02:51:58] <FunkyBob> AIUI it's based on the volume label of the mounted device/partition
234 [02:52:25] <annadane> so /dev/sdX?
235 [02:52:30] <somiaj> long string of characters sounds like UUID, but this should be the same for the file system.
236 [02:52:57] <somiaj> so if you don't give it a volumne label, falls back to uuid, which is read from the file system, so it will be the same.
237 [02:53:11] <somiaj> annadane: no volume label is another property you can give a file system.
238 [02:53:16] <annadane> okay
239 [02:53:18] <annadane> thanks
240 [02:53:31] <somiaj> part of the file system's meta data has thigns like uuid, volume label, and some other stuff about the filesystem.
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257 [03:04:35] <jcb2016> are all relases frozen and unfrozen the same length of time? ie is buster coming out soon?
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259 [03:06:39] <somiaj> !buster release
260 [03:06:39] <dpkg> Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (replaced-url
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262 [03:06:51] <somiaj> jcb2016: about 2 years, but debian usually works on when it is ready time line
263 [03:06:56] <somiaj> so 2 years +- 6 months
264 [03:07:10] <jcb2016> dam so not anytime soon
265 [03:07:43] <somiaj> what do you mean any time soon, 2019-07-06 is only a few weeks away.
266 [03:08:01] <jcb2016> how long has it been frozen?
267 [03:08:05] <annadane> exactly 3 weeks, in fact
268 [03:08:20] <annadane> (for release date, not how long it's been frozen)
269 [03:08:21] <somiaj> !buster
270 [03:08:21] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
271 [03:08:40] <somiaj> Hmm, well it froze in feburary
272 [03:08:53] <annadane> replaced-url
273 [03:08:59] <annadane> 2019-01-12: Transition freeze (announced)
274 [03:09:07] <annadane> oh, transition freeze. yeah, february
275 [03:09:15] <annadane> depending on what you mean
276 [03:09:23] <somiaj> yea the freeze is multiple steps.
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278 [03:10:58] <jcb2016> this is the longest distro i've been on going on like 4 months
279 [03:11:07] <brabo> jcb2016: a freeze has afaik an intended duration. wether it can be achieved in that time, or sooner, or later, is unpredictable
280 [03:11:17] <brabo> jcb2016: welcome to the club ;)
281 [03:11:20] <annadane> replaced-url
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283 [03:11:33] <brabo> jcb2016: 2 decades here
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286 [03:12:28] <brabo> i have ventured away from debian, more at the start, but no other distro kept my interest.
287 [03:13:08] <brabo> i have the swirl tattoo'd on my right arm too ;)
288 [03:13:29] <brabo> and i even have a tat brother with the same one same place
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290 [03:13:53] <annadane> i'm not sure i'd ever be *that* committed but all the power to you...
291 [03:14:05] <brabo> if anyone wants one, amsterdam, and she has the exact right tint of red :D
292 [03:14:21] <jaggz> somiaj, ugh.. finally got my X back up
293 [03:14:24] <brabo> annadane: well, i have come to accept debian for life
294 [03:14:41] <brabo> i may sometimes have other lovers.. but..
295 [03:14:44] <somiaj> jaggz: you are dedicated, I would have reinstalled and have been done with this (:
296 [03:15:12] * FunkyBob imagines brabo screaming "This is my distro! There are many like it, but this one is mine!"
297 [03:15:39] <annadane> i'm not sure i've ever watched the second half of full metal jacket
298 [03:15:45] <annadane> after "that" scene
299 [03:15:48] <FunkyBob> understandable
300 [03:15:49] <brabo> this is my distro! it is a good distro!
301 [03:16:15] <jaggz> somiaj, no drivers (non-free or anything) worked.. finally, in returning to nvidia's .run, I realized maybe nvidia's site messed up and told me v 430 .. one linuxconfig.org (or something) mentioned to use nvidia-detect and *pay attention to the version* which showed to use 390. I was, but a version 390.48. One webpage mentioned they put a patch in (for a driver compilation error I was getting) applied to v 390.68 or so. So anyway, I got the latest,
302 [03:16:15] <jaggz> and that did work smoothly.
303 [03:16:17] <brabo> annadane: well, it was a heavy movie, for sure
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305 [03:16:42] <brabo> annadane: the past week i tried to watch something
306 [03:16:50] <jaggz> so I'm at the .run again, but I think I might end up needing this stuff for the neural networking I do anyway.. in any case, like you said, sure there's learning to be gained through this awful route :)
307 [03:17:11] <brabo> and it interested me, but every time i had to give up cause just too horribe, tv series "the act"
308 [03:17:11] <somiaj> jaggz: ahh yea, often times nvidia stops providing support for older cards, hence why you had libglx.so that was old. DEbian provides these in the nvidia-legacy packages.
309 [03:17:28] <jaggz> no it wasn't old though.. I was getting those errors with all the official free packages too
310 [03:17:39] <jaggz> with everything clean, coming from official debian packages
311 [03:17:55] <somiaj> also it might be that you also need older versions of libcuda for the older driiver you are using. All of this mixing is only going to cause future problems, it is useful to learn to do things the debian-way
312 [03:18:03] <jaggz> (lots of people experienced it too.. I still don't know what is its cause)
313 [03:18:49] <jaggz> yeah, although I was forced to use the newer version for some of the neural net stuff -- but that was over a year ago. the current versions would probably work fine -- like, I might be able to install the legacy 390 packages from official.
314 [03:19:04] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver
315 [03:19:05] <judd> Package: nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver on amd64 -- stretch-backports/non-free: 390.116-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.116-1; sid/non-free: 390.116-1
316 [03:19:07] <jaggz> maybe a few years ago :)
317 [03:19:15] <brabo> so in 3 weeks it's party. long live buster! was nice knowing you, but i have to say adios and say hi to my new friend bullseye!
318 [03:19:15] <jaggz> yeah, see, 390.116 is the same as nvidia's .run
319 [03:19:18] <somiaj> you just needed the legacy version 390) because your card sint' supported by newer nvidai.
320 [03:19:29] <jaggz> so I could probably handle it fine..
321 [03:19:32] <somiaj> but nvidia's run can conflict with debian and shoudln't be used
322 [03:19:56] <somiaj> brabo: like to live on the edge, I often suggest waiting a few months before using the new testing.
323 [03:19:59] <jaggz> I agree, if it can be avoided. I think it actually can, now that I know it was the legacy thing that was the issue.
324 [03:20:03] <jaggz> thanks a lot for the help
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326 [03:20:20] <brabo> somiaj: i am glad if i can keep waiting surviving the freeze already
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328 [03:21:02] <somiaj> after the freeze the flood gates open as all the packages that have been held back are uploaded in a very short time span, causing lots more bugs than normal.
329 [03:21:39] <annadane> i'm tempted to go to a release party but it also says "bring your laptop" and i have zero to contribute, lol.
330 [03:21:57] <brabo> for my servers, stable aye. for my dev environments, unstable gives me newer stuff. i'm sure we don't need to mention the debian stable is as old as jokes ;)
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332 [03:22:43] <brabo> somiaj: ye, sometimes something like that does happen
333 [03:23:04] <brabo> otoh, if no one goes on, there's not the testing that makes stable stable either
334 [03:23:17] <somiaj> I'm just pointing out that waiting a month or so for things the initial rush once the flood gates are opened can avoid some of the intital headache.
335 [03:23:41] <somiaj> Oh sure, I ran sid for years, and even then I would avoid upgrades to much during that first month after a release.
336 [03:23:49] <brabo> i hear you. it's just not a headache to me. if i can make an issue pointing anything out i'd be happy :)
337 [03:24:25] <somiaj> It use to not be for me, but then I got a full time job and tired of fixing my computer. with stable, I set it up, it just works and never ahve to think about it again until next release.
338 [03:24:27] <brabo> and, anytime anything unexpected does happen, i usually learn something with it
339 [03:24:34] <brabo> so still win to me ;)
340 [03:26:27] <brabo> i was using stable for a while on my workstations. started having issues due to outdated libc/gcc for developing. then a new cross compile toolchain release comes for embedded dev, then my libc is outdated for it..
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342 [03:27:44] <brabo> so for me unstable is a conscious choice to still be quite stable, but also don't get issues that interfere with my development capabilities
343 [03:28:09] <somiaj> yea, for a few releases I would use stable for about a year, then swithc to testing, as I started needing newer stuff
344 [03:28:29] <somiaj> but this was my gaming desktop, my laptop and work machine are stable, and I use chroots/vms to build in if I really need a newer build enviorment to test things
345 [03:28:30] <brabo> but, for every server, stable every time
346 [03:28:45] <brabo> they usually don't need as much the newest shiniest things
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348 [03:29:29] <brabo> somiaj: well, i don't game, i just procrastinate and dev :)
349 [03:30:09] <brabo> maybe one more than the other..
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356 [03:40:23] <Kuleshov> replaced-url
357 [03:41:38] <brabo> Kuleshov: ok?
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360 [03:42:39] <Kokoshka98> Здравейте, пичове! Време е за моето Live шоу. Започвам след 10-тина минутки. Който има желание, нека да драсне "Безплатна покана" в сайта за Камерите (и нека да се забавляваме заедно). Линк: replaced-url
361 [03:42:42] <brabo> Kuleshov: i am sure we all like to click random links without any explanation
362 [03:43:08] <brabo> Kokoshka98: unless you are lucky, it may be handy to try to ask in english
363 [03:43:28] <jmcnaught> !ru
364 [03:43:28] <Kokoshka98> Brabo: Ok. Sorry :))
365 [03:43:28] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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368 [03:44:02] <brabo> jmcnaught: nice, thanks, that seems like a trigger i should remember ;)
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398 [04:13:08] <soul-d> i have a multihead setup 2 xscreens single card now for some reason my mouse is very laggy i thought ie right click menu's normal clicks are fine
399 [04:13:33] <soul-d> it was browser related *
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403 [04:18:08] <soul-d> ofcourse i could have switched to broken backup mouse :P
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486 [05:54:28] <seeker51> need equivalent to adobe flash player. installed gnash but could not view weather radar loop on noaa.gov
487 [05:56:20] <somiaj> why not just download the nonfree plugin from adobe?
488 [05:56:50] <somiaj> or just install google-chrome, I think it still has it by default.
489 [05:57:14] <seeker51> somiaj: i read somewhere that installing from outside distro was a nono
490 [05:57:21] <BazookaTooth> pepperflash
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493 [05:58:11] <somiaj> its non-free so not really part of debian. Though I would just grab the google-chrome package from google and use that
494 [05:58:14] <somiaj> easiest
495 [05:58:42] <somiaj> you can just downlaod the plugin and put it in the right place, chromium is a bit of a pain, I think firefox is abit easier, just put it somewhere in $HOME, but its been a while.
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497 [05:59:38] <seeker51> ok thanks
498 [06:00:23] <somiaj> the debian scripts to automate this just break a lot (due to adobe constantally changing things), so the matainers got tired of fixing them.
499 [06:00:34] <somiaj> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
500 [06:00:35] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7
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502 [06:00:44] <somiaj> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
503 [06:00:45] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; buster/contrib: 1.8.4; sid/contrib: 1.8.4
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506 [06:01:13] <somiaj> maybe the pepper flash one was fixed for chromium in buster, but not in stretch. I just got tired of them breaking.
507 [06:01:17] <beepnboop-> need help
508 [06:01:19] <beepnboop-> replaced-url
509 [06:01:31] <beepnboop-> how do i run this software?
510 [06:02:16] <somiaj> did you chmod +x the file first?
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513 [06:02:31] <somiaj> this way it is exectuable and can be run
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515 [06:02:45] <beepnboop-> where to put it
516 [06:03:03] <somiaj> chmod +x /path/to/file
517 [06:03:20] <beepnboop-> chmod: unrecognized option '--mode=OFF'
518 [06:03:29] <somiaj> that isn't /path/tofile
519 [06:03:40] <beepnboop-> chmod +x RuneLite.AppImage --mode=OFF
520 [06:03:43] <somiaj> just chmod +x /home/war/games/RuneLite.AppImage
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523 [06:04:02] <somiaj> --mode=OFF is not part of a path, that is an option, and it is one for the game, not chmod
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525 [06:04:21] <beepnboop-> chmod +x '/home/war/Games/RuneLite.AppImage' --mode=OFF
526 [06:04:21] <beepnboop-> chmod: unrecognized option '--mode=OFF'
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528 [06:04:45] <somiaj> there is no --mode=OFF in your command, try to pay attention to what is being said.
529 [06:05:06] <beepnboop-> i need that command in order to run the software
530 [06:05:12] <beepnboop-> replaced-url
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532 [06:05:17] <somiaj> you are not running the software, you are running chmod
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534 [06:05:24] <somiaj> run the command I typed, and only provide the path tot he file.
535 [06:05:39] <beepnboop-> war@debian:~$ chmod +x '/home/war/Games/RuneLite.AppImage'
536 [06:05:39] <beepnboop-> war@debian:~$
537 [06:05:45] <somiaj> perfect, now run the game
538 [06:05:52] <beepnboop-> nothing happened
539 [06:05:58] <somiaj> /home/war/Games/RuneLite.AppImage --mode=OFF
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541 [06:06:06] <somiaj> yes something happend, commands don't produce output when they work.
542 [06:06:51] <beepnboop-> omg thank you
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546 [06:07:12] <beepnboop-> i'm such a fucking nooob
547 [06:08:07] <somiaj> just pay attention and learn. You just needed to put the exectuable bit on the file, that is what the chmod +x /path/to/file did
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573 [06:29:33] <math_> Hello guys. I have trouble to successfully get intel drivers working on my laptop. Here's my lspci output: replaced-url
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576 [06:30:47] <math_> I cant get more than 15fps in a 3d game. My CPU is a intel i5 and i have 8Gb of ram
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581 [06:31:12] <diogenes_> math_, glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
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583 [06:32:55] <math_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile
584 [06:33:22] <math_> I tried to follow that "recipe" on here: replaced-url
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586 [06:33:45] <math_> But it doesnt seems to change anything in term of ingame fps
587 [06:34:00] <diogenes_> math_, your intel driver works fine, the problem is that it's not meant for performance in games and 3d stuff, it's meant for powersaving and basic stuff.
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589 [06:35:02] <math_> Hmm i see
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591 [06:35:48] <math_> But .. Even with the game in 800*600 and everything sets on "low" i cant have more than 15fps, is it normal ?
592 [06:36:19] <diogenes_> that's correct.
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594 [06:37:01] <math_> Crap ^^ Well that's okay, at least i know it :) Thank you !
595 [06:37:26] <diogenes_> you need nvidia or radeon.
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597 [06:39:34] <somiaj> math_: intel should be using the modesetting drivers instead (and make sure the i915 module is loaded)
598 [06:39:54] <math_> Sure, i need a desktop :)
599 [06:40:09] <math_> somiaj, can you tell me how ?
600 [06:40:45] <math_> It seems that i'm using the Kernel driver i915
601 [06:41:40] <math_> apt install xserver-xorg-video-intel && reboot ?
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614 [06:48:24] <math_> I reboot
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624 [06:55:06] <tvn_ne> /run scriptassist
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628 [06:56:29] <math_> Well i cant install the xserver-xorg-video-modesetting package because of depedencies. I upgraded the linux kernal earlier today, i am running the 4.19.37
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631 [07:01:20] <Primer> I just installed that same kernel today, because of zfs
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635 [07:02:20] <Primer> Anyhow, a kernel won't affect deps for that package
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647 [07:09:56] <math_> Ok i didnt knew this
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649 [07:10:44] <math_> How can a process can use 300% of the CPU usage (listed in the 'top' command)
650 [07:10:49] <math_> ?*
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661 [07:22:20] <math_> the vulkandriverque* process is consuming more than 100% of my CPU, whats going on ?
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663 [07:24:25] <jmcnaught> It's using more than one core or thread.
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665 [07:25:22] <math_> Okay
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684 [07:54:11] <math_> I really think that something is not working as it should. With all settings on "low" + windowed 800*600 i get 10fps, When i set the settings on "high" 1920*1080 i have also 10fps .. I'm sure there's something that isnt well configurated
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705 [08:17:14] <math_> Is it safe to compile a kernel from git://anongit.freedesktop.org/drm-tip ?
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710 [08:20:58] <pingfloyd> math_: the real question is if you can trust freedesktop.org
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715 [08:25:41] <BazookaTooth> pingfloyd is a bit hardcore/old school.. you might want to ask questions directed at why that kernel is something ya need
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718 [08:27:22] <math_> i'm following this guide from replaced-url
719 [08:27:27] <BazookaTooth> it's not safe to compile anything that isn't upstream but know why you want it
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722 [08:32:23] <BazookaTooth> s/surious/bacon
723 [08:32:34] <math_> I know it's trivial, usually i dont use unofficial repos and so on, but today a friend of mine convinced me to play a steam game, so i decided to give it a try. The problem i have is that the game runs at 10fps no matter wich settings i set (800*600 all low or full hd, same 10fps)
724 [08:32:46] <BazookaTooth> ugh time to sleep
725 [08:33:48] <Primer> I was able to get dxvk setup and run wow under wine on an Intel 630 at 1920x1080. The FPS wasn't spectacular, but it was playable.
726 [08:34:48] <Primer> I recall using a separate repo that had the latest and greatest pacakges. In fact, they updated the packages quite frequently
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728 [08:35:40] <Primer> It got to the point where I just removed the repo and kept the version of what I had. It included everything I'm seeing in your guide.
729 [08:36:25] <Primer> no full kernel, but the kernel modules
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731 [08:39:10] <Primer> but I forogt I was on Mint. Pretty sure this is what I did: replaced-url
732 [08:39:19] <Primer> math_: ^^^^^
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735 [08:42:29] <math_> Ty i'm reading
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737 [08:43:09] <math_> Hmm i'm not using wine
738 [08:43:34] <math_> I'm compiling the kernel
739 [08:43:34] <Primer> it doesn't matter, it's the intel driver part that you want
740 [08:43:54] <Primer> yeah, and you don't need to. There are repos out there that have everything you need.
741 [08:45:02] <math_> Ok, so i follow your guide ?
742 [08:45:04] <Primer> The instructions for setting it all up boiled down to adding a new repo and pulling the packages from it
743 [08:45:54] <Primer> You also should know what you're doing, somewhat. You said all you wanted to do was play a game on Linux and all you have is intel video, right?
744 [08:46:31] <math_> Yep
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746 [08:46:52] <Primer> You can achieve this entirely with packages. No need to compile anything.
747 [08:47:46] <math_> I just need to install dxvk ?
748 [08:47:53] <Primer> what's likely happening now is you're playing the game in software rendering mode
749 [08:48:07] <Primer> no, you need the drivers from the repo in that guide
750 [08:48:58] <Primer> the repo will supply packages like libdrm-intel (kernel driver), xserver-whatever-driver-intel (xorg server driver), mesa (GL library)
751 [08:49:10] <Primer> some others
752 [08:49:21] <math_> (Thank you for your time)
753 [08:49:27] <math_> I'll try
754 [08:49:35] <Primer> May I ask: why did you pick kernel 4.19.37?
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756 [08:49:52] <Primer> Because I wasn't kidding when I said I picked that kernel today too. Because of asm/i387.h
757 [08:50:08] <Primer> Guessing the same reason
758 [08:51:02] <math_> Really i'm not sure, i was following this: replaced-url
759 [08:51:04] <Primer> Linux daw 4.19.37-041937-lowlatency #201904270929 SMP PREEMPT Sat Apr 27 09:35:11 UTC 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux
760 [08:51:11] <Primer> from replaced-url
761 [08:51:23] <math_> Linux math-pc 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-3~bpo9+1 (2019-05-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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763 [08:53:08] <Primer> that's a lot of trouble to go through just to play a game
764 [08:53:36] <math_> i feel that all of this will end with a fresh install ^^
765 [08:53:53] <Primer> it should be a great learning experience
766 [08:55:18] <math_> the hard way, again >_<
767 [08:58:23] <math_> I have an error when adding the Mesa ppa
768 [08:58:53] <math_> replaced-url
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770 [08:59:58] <math_> Btw i already have the mesa-vulkan-drivers installed (13.0.6-1+b2).
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784 [09:12:07] <EugenA> how can I get error message in english (command line)
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789 [09:15:18] <nkuttler> !localized errors
790 [09:15:18] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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823 [10:02:28] <Synaptic> math_, did u try lutris?
824 [10:02:39] <Synaptic> i play every game possible with Lutris
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826 [10:05:42] <math_> Not yet
827 [10:07:30] <Synaptic> wich game it is?
828 [10:07:47] <math_> cs:go
829 [10:07:59] <Synaptic> counter strike?
830 [10:08:04] <Synaptic> and go what is?
831 [10:08:17] <math_> global offensive
832 [10:08:30] <Synaptic> replaced-url
833 [10:08:57] <Synaptic> i play BFV on linux..
834 [10:09:04] <Synaptic> so i believe u can do it
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846 [10:20:28] <math_> Thank you Synaptic i'll give it a try today :)
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848 [10:20:59] <Synaptic> k
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863 [10:37:32] <nevivurn> This isn't quite debian-specific (I think) but what is the recommended way to compile stuff when their dependencies are not installed in the standard directories?
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865 [10:38:40] <nevivurn> Eg. I have installed gmp with --prefix=/some/dir, and I want to compile mpc, which depends on gmp, also with --prefix=/some/dir.
866 [10:39:42] <nevivurn> I resolved this with --with-gmp=/some/dir/, but it feels weird to have to specify where to find each dependency
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886 [10:59:19] <nevivurn> Looks like a config.site file should do it. Never mind...
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900 [11:10:23] <math_> While installing Mesa from sources, i got this error: replaced-url
901 [11:12:28] <Habbie> math_, that's not a lot of information, but i had to make one guess, it's expecting a newer meson version
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961 [12:09:44] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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968 [12:11:59] <ychaouche> I would like to install kaltura on my debian system. The installation guide for kaltura says I should add their repo to my sources.list, which I don't want to do. Could there be a way to install kaltura from their github repo ? replaced-url
969 [12:12:29] <ychaouche> I don't know if that github repository has everything I need to install kaltura without changing sources.list, maybe an expert eye can help ?
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1014 [12:42:33] <OS-45724> /msg NickServ REGISTER ykshcD3qK1d kfirgir@rafael.co.il
1015 [12:43:23] <ychaouche> off by one errors
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1020 [12:45:25] <BCMM> that's the most offsec thing i've ever seen
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1024 [12:47:35] <BCMM> ychaouche: if you don't care about updates (i hope security doesn't matter to you, etc.), then you could just get the .debs from their repo, and install them manually
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1028 [12:49:21] <ychaouche> the other solution is to add their repo to sources.list, which "voids my warranty", so maybe I should install it on a dedicated (virtual) machine
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1030 [12:49:59] <BCMM> ychaouche: but if you really want to work from the git repo, this might be of interest replaced-url
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1032 [12:50:09] <BCMM> it looks like it's set up to automatically build all their .deb packages from source
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1040 [12:58:10] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: what warranty?
1041 [12:58:24] <ychaouche> debian's
1042 [12:58:32] <pingfloyd> there is no warranty
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1045 [12:59:36] <rapha> hi!
1046 [13:00:37] <rapha> is there a non-programmer, newbie-friendly guide somewhere on how to create a .deb file? (just for my own consumption, not for being integrated into debian or anything fancy like that)
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1049 [13:01:56] <pingfloyd> rapha: just use checkinstall for that
1050 [13:01:59] <ychaouche> pingfloyd, there is free support :)
1051 [13:02:05] * rapha googles
1052 [13:02:06] <ychaouche> which is better than warranty
1053 [13:02:41] <rapha> pingfloyd: that looks exactly like what i've been looking for, thank you! :-D
1054 [13:02:49] <pingfloyd> rapha: you're welcome
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1056 [13:03:02] <BCMM> ychaouche: in general, i wouldn't expect the repo for a relatively straightforwards thing like that to cause general problems with debian
1057 [13:03:36] <pingfloyd> rapha: checkinstall is fine for unofficial packages. Official packages you'd want to use some debian tools.
1058 [13:03:39] <BCMM> it's when you bring in repos that might contain alternative version of important libraries that things get stupid. basically repos from other debian releases, repos from other distros, and deb-multimedia
1059 [13:04:10] <BCMM> just using a repo for one application isn't particularly frankendebian, unless that repo's maintainers are idiots
1060 [13:04:13] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: just back the system uup
1061 [13:04:20] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: that's the real warranty
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1067 [13:05:48] <ychaouche> BCMM, it's hard to get debian support when sources.list isn't all-debian :( sometimes people ask for sources.list and if they see a repo that's not official they refuse to get the investigation further, which is fair I think.
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1069 [13:06:06] <BCMM> i don't know who does that...
1070 [13:06:19] <ychaouche> mean ?
1071 [13:06:20] <BCMM> i mean, i'd do it if the repo was, like, kali. or if there are 30 repos.
1072 [13:06:34] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: the whole reason official support doesn't support that, is because they can't really vouch for the health of repos outside of their own control.
1073 [13:06:38] <BCMM> (yes, those actually happen)
1074 [13:07:03] <pingfloyd> maybe that repo breaks the system, maybe it doesn't.
1075 [13:07:35] <pingfloyd> but if causes problems with debian and was intended for the version of debian that you're running, then you'd go to the author of the repo for help with any problems it creates.
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1077 [13:07:43] <pingfloyd> he's the one that controls those packages
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1079 [13:08:05] <ychaouche> like BCMM adding an external repo is taking the risk to install packages that break your system, sometimes irreversibly ?
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1081 [13:08:09] <pingfloyd> and if his support was meh, then you'll probably considering dropping said repo.
1082 [13:08:39] <ychaouche> like BCMM said*
1083 [13:08:39] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: not usually irreversible unless the package author really screwed upu
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1085 [13:09:17] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: like you can usually undo the changes. purge the offending packages and remove the repo from your sources.list.
1086 [13:09:40] <ychaouche> ok
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1088 [13:09:51] <pingfloyd> so bottom line is you should consider the quality of the repo strongly
1089 [13:09:56] <ychaouche> in any case, I think it is still better for me to install that software in a separate machine
1090 [13:10:31] <pingfloyd> sure
1091 [13:10:42] <pingfloyd> or if you have lvm, you could create snapshots before installing
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1095 [13:11:24] <ychaouche> I would have preferred to install each package separately and configure things manually, but I can't find a "manual install" section in the documentation.
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1097 [13:11:54] <pingfloyd> stuff like that though, I usually just go for it. Maybe make sure my backups are up to date first.
1098 [13:11:55] <ychaouche> or do the snapshot at the virtual host level
1099 [13:12:31] <pingfloyd> the vm won't give you a full test though
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1101 [13:12:38] <pingfloyd> the hardware and environments vary
1102 [13:12:53] <ychaouche> hardware ?
1103 [13:13:03] <pingfloyd> guest use virtual hardware
1104 [13:13:26] <pingfloyd> so in comparison it's like running on a different machine than yours (virtually).
1105 [13:13:37] <BCMM> tbh, just add the repo, and immediately do `apt full-upgrade`
1106 [13:13:49] <BCMM> if the repo wants to make any changes, kill it
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1108 [13:14:40] <BCMM> otherwise, it has *probably* confined its efforts to just supporting the application it's supposed to support, and won't try to redesign Debian in its own image
1109 [13:15:11] <pingfloyd> BCMM: that's how someone that knows what they're doing would do a repo.
1110 [13:15:21] <pingfloyd> go for minimal changes
1111 [13:15:32] <pingfloyd> lowest footprint on the distro as possible
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1114 [13:16:07] <BCMM> exactly. it should be the application, any dependancies that aren't in debian, and *nothing* that's *is* in debian
1115 [13:16:26] <pingfloyd> this helps make it less likely for their to be a conflict or issue. While also making troubleshooting easier.
1116 [13:16:35] <BCMM> and checking that it won't "upgrade" anything you already have installed is a decent (not perfect) test of that
1117 [13:16:46] <pingfloyd> I like when devs understand that concept
1118 [13:17:07] <ychaouche> Does it happen that sometimes when you want to install a package it says "this package needs this dependency X, but you have this other dependency Y that is already installed and can't be installed together with X, so I won't install your package" ?
1119 [13:17:45] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: yeah, it can
1120 [13:17:57] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: what's nice though, is it warns you with such situations.
1121 [13:18:25] <ychaouche> could this leave the system in a semi-borken state ?
1122 [13:18:33] <pingfloyd> sure
1123 [13:18:52] <ychaouche> in which case I pull the backups
1124 [13:18:53] <pingfloyd> most breakage can be fixed if one understands deb well
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1126 [13:19:27] <jelly> ychaouche: that sounds like breakage is prevented
1127 [13:19:27] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: yeah, backups are good for when you've had enough at trying to fix such an issue.
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1130 [13:20:12] <jelly> and unless you're mixing different releases most such issues can be managed without reinstallation or full OS restore
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1132 [13:20:58] <ychaouche> ack
1133 [13:21:35] <pingfloyd> usually a third-party repo for debian will state which versions of debian it was designed for
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1136 [13:22:16] <pingfloyd> there's is the requirement for the maintainer to know what they're doing, but in practice it's usually not an issue. Or there are problems and they get fixed because many others had the same issue.
1137 [13:22:24] <jelly> if you have something specific in mind,
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1139 [13:22:33] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1140 [13:22:33] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1142 [13:22:44] <pingfloyd> a good example is virtualbox's deb repo
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1144 [13:23:09] <ychaouche> So to summerize : what's actually frowned upon is when you mix repos from other distros, because they have fundamental/important system packages and libraries which the system depends upon. Third party repos that have only app-specific packages are "tolerated" ?
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1146 [13:23:17] <pingfloyd> I've never had any issues with that one, and it has nothing to do with debian other than providing their build of vbox as a deb pkg.
1147 [13:23:36] <pingfloyd> if anything, I've had less problem when I do use that repo if I use vbox in debian.
1148 [13:23:52] <m8crobe> Hello guys, I installed the 5.2 kernel and upon reboot I miss connectivity, I was using the iwlwifi firmware. Any help would be appreciated
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1156 [13:26:14] <pingfloyd> m8crobe: which distro?
1157 [13:26:33] <m8crobe> Debian stretch
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1160 [13:27:20] <m8crobe> (I'm the guy who was messing with the steam and Intel graphics stuff)
1161 [13:27:32] <pingfloyd> m8crobe: dpkg -l "*iwlwifi*"
1162 [13:27:52] <pingfloyd> is firmware-iwlwifi installed?
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1164 [13:28:06] <m8crobe> Yes
1165 [13:28:36] <pingfloyd> m8crobe: where did you get the kernel from?
1166 [13:29:13] <pingfloyd> m8crobe: is that from stretch backports?
1167 [13:29:17] <m8crobe> Apt get
1168 [13:29:26] <m8crobe> I think so
1169 [13:29:34] <pingfloyd> must be
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1172 [13:29:53] <pingfloyd> so you want to install the firmware-iwlwifi pkg version fromm backports
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1177 [13:30:35] <pingfloyd> can you post apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi
1178 [13:30:52] <m8crobe> Yes wait a minute
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1188 [13:35:31] <m8crobe> Here replaced-url
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1191 [13:36:22] <m8crobe> Sorry I can't copy paste I have to go outside to get 4g connectivity on my phone - _-
1192 [13:37:33] <BCMM> ychaouche: i don't know if there's an official policy or not
1193 [13:37:45] <BCMM> but i reckon most people in this channel are probably ok with that
1194 [13:37:51] <pingfloyd> m8crobe: how come you have jessie repos?
1195 [13:38:41] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: you don't want to mix releases either
1196 [13:39:02] <m8crobe> Noobiness? (ashamed :$)
1197 [13:39:11] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: the key is the repo has to be intended for the release of debian that you're running
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1200 [13:39:46] <pingfloyd> ychaouche: dependencies can change quite drastically between releases.
1201 [13:40:38] <pingfloyd> this is part of the reason dist-upgrade from release to another, can sometimes be tricky. But in that case, they've put in work to try make the transition trouble free as possible.
1202 [13:40:43] <m8crobe> I deleted the Jessie repo from my sources. List
1203 [13:41:04] <pingfloyd> this is why you'll see things like dummy packages
1204 [13:42:01] <pingfloyd> m8crobe: now you have to run apt-get update
1205 [13:42:21] <pingfloyd> m8crobe: then run apt-get upgrade and see if anything is broken
1206 [13:43:30] <m8crobe> No, nothing relevant or broken
1207 [13:43:41] <m8crobe> Screen?
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1211 [13:50:19] <m8crobe> I knew I was going to broke my Debian with all those messings
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1228 [14:03:08] <m8crobe> Going to reinstall my Debian :'(
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1258 [14:34:35] <rapha> pingfloyd: hmm i'm just seeing that there *is* a "fancy" problem afterall. so what i'm trying to package is an extra keyboard layout. for reasons, it seems to be required to keep it in an already-existing file (/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de), which means the package would have to be a replacement for the official xkb-data package. do you think there's a cleaner/better solution?
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1266 [14:47:50] <zophyx> hilo me buckos
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1285 [14:59:53] <lilith932> Hi, I have some problems with setting my locales to US in Debian XFCE
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1287 [15:00:20] <lilith932> I have a german keyboard layout, but I want to use the . as a decimal separator
1288 [15:00:38] <m0rd3cai> Hey so overniht sometime my SD-card reader has stopped showing up in LSUSB and LSPCI command. I get a device ID but no longer shows the name of device, sd cards will not read. Is there a log file that would give more info?
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1290 [15:01:00] <m0rd3cai> I've grep'ed DMESG for that device ID and I cant find anything.
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1297 [15:07:50] <qwebirc100134> greetings. does anyone know when i can expect KDE Plasma 5.16 on Debian Sid?
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1314 [15:17:04] <ksk> m0rd3cai: If I remember corretly, you can set a LC_$something environment variable for things like that.
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1317 [15:17:36] <hassan> guys
1318 [15:17:47] <hassan> there is a big problem in here
1319 [15:18:01] <rapha> there is?
1320 [15:18:35] <hassan> i dont know what is happinig but my pc is peeping and
1321 [15:18:54] <dvs> peeping PC?
1322 [15:18:55] <hassan> gives desktop:/photo_2019-06-16_11-59-02.jpg
1323 [15:19:16] <hassan> sorry thats wrong i'll copy it
1324 [15:19:34] <hassan> Broadcast message from root@parrot (Sun 2019-06-16 15:19:20 EET):
1325 [15:19:34] <hassan> Password entry required for 'Enter Auth Password:' (PID 5643).
1326 [15:19:34] <hassan> Please enter password with the systemd-tty-ask-password-agent tool:
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1328 [15:19:49] <hassan> this is the error
1329 [15:20:23] <ksk> this is not an error at all?
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1331 [15:20:49] <hassan> when i saw Please enter password with the systemd-tty-ask-password-agent tool:
1332 [15:20:49] <hassan> i tried to kill some pid's it fixed the problem but it return after restart
1333 [15:20:52] <Tom_-> i can't see that picture from here :)
1334 [15:20:57] <ksk> its a broadcast message sent by root, not sure why - does not look like a basic debian isntall to me doing such things
1335 [15:21:00] <hassan> so what shold i do
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1337 [15:21:07] <hassan> hhhhhhhhhh
1338 [15:21:33] <hassan> but ksk how can i stop that
1339 [15:21:48] <ksk> kind of how you started that, just the other way round.
1340 [15:22:03] <rapha> that looks really strange. unless you know how to deal with possible intrustions you might want to consider a reinstall.
1341 [15:22:07] <bouzu_> so someone is failing to log in as root and your syslog is set up to escalate this to running users
1342 [15:22:14] <ayekat> rapha: not really
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1345 [15:22:50] <hassan> okay i was using lscript to install 12 tools or something
1346 [15:22:52] <ayekat> read what systemd-tty-ask-password-agent is there for - have you set up some encrypted device somewhere that needs unlocking?
1347 [15:23:00] <ayekat> ah well, there ya have it
1348 [15:23:14] <hassan> then i powered off system uncorrectly
1349 [15:23:18] <ayekat> "12 tools or something"
1350 [15:23:24] <hassan> when poweron this came
1351 [15:23:25] <rapha> ayekat: how is a broadcast by root default debian configuration?
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1354 [15:23:58] <hassan> ayekat : i didn't but how to read that?
1355 [15:23:59] <ayekat> rapha: it's a broadcast in the TTY, during bootup (I assume)
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1358 [15:24:35] <hassan> rapha i use parrot it's a debian based distro
1359 [15:24:37] <ayekat> rapha: getting a password prompt for unlocking an encrypted device in the TTY is nothing weird
1360 [15:24:38] <hassan> right?
1361 [15:24:46] <bouzu_> see omusrmsg in your rsyslog.con
1362 [15:24:59] <ayekat> hassan: debian-based is not debian
1363 [15:25:05] <rapha> hassan: oh. i didn't even know a distro of that name existed.
1364 [15:25:10] <hassan> i'll check resolv
1365 [15:25:42] <hassan> parrotsec
1366 [15:25:43] <ayekat> hassan: we don't know what kind of changes that distro has applied to debian, so this channel can't really help you in any reasonably efficient way
1367 [15:25:46] <hassan> it's cool
1368 [15:26:09] <rapha> in any case, bitawfeeq hassan!
1369 [15:26:20] <hassan> arabian !
1370 [15:26:39] <rapha> no, german :)
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1372 [15:27:11] <hassan> okay thanks but if i wanted to know what is systemd-tty-ask-password-agent tool you can help?
1373 [15:27:23] <ksk> !based on debian
1374 [15:27:23] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1376 [15:27:47] <ksk> hassan: if you put the term "systemd-tty-ask-password-agent" into google, it can help.
1377 [15:28:08] <ayekat> hassan: it's a component that prompts for passwords for unlocking encrypted devices - but again, we can't help you resolve your specific issue, because you're not using debian
1378 [15:28:47] <hassan> okay guys thanks i'll google it
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1381 [15:32:06] <zophyx> stat update, badder spawn of baddest is debian and GPL licensed
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1417 [16:17:45] <magic_ninja> Are there any known caveats with debian on laptops?
1418 [16:17:58] <magic_ninja> In the next week or so after I finish this next job I'm going to go ahead and put debian on my laptop as well.
1419 [16:19:17] <dvs> magic_ninja, not really. You may want to set the power profile to save battery life
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1422 [16:19:48] <magic_ninja> dvs, that something I'll want to manually go do? That is my main concern. Right now I get about 6 hours at full usage, but the battery is 3 or so years old.
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1424 [16:20:27] <diogenes_> magic_ninja, wireless drivers have to be installed.
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1426 [16:20:59] <dvs> magic_ninja, you might have to set it manually. It's easy to check though.
1427 [16:21:05] <magic_ninja> Okay, good deal. I'll make sure to download the wireless drivers for my chip and include the source on there. Is build-essential in the installer?
1428 [16:22:23] <dvs> magic_ninja, or you could use the firmware installer which has the firmware packages.
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1433 [16:23:11] <magic_ninja> dvs, I tired on here and still ended up compiling wifi drivers. Is there a list of what is included in the non-free iso?
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1435 [16:25:02] <dvs> magic_ninja, I don't see any but I assume it includes all the firmware-* packages
1436 [16:25:49] <magic_ninja> so those firmware- packages are just closed drivers?
1437 [16:26:16] <dvs> well, firmware that does not comply with the DSFG.
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1451 [16:38:52] <magic_ninja> dvs, I'm a bit confused there. You are talking specifically device firmware rather than drivers, correct?
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1464 [16:45:09] <dvs> magic_ninja, correct
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1466 [16:45:51] <magic_ninja> I supposed that is the difficult part of drivers. Isn't the firmware on the device, though? Or is the driver an abstraction layer on top of the firmware?
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1470 [16:49:05] <dvs> magic_ninja, No, not nowadays.
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1474 [16:50:13] <LtL> magic_ninja: Firmware is the software that runs on the device. A driver is the software that tells your operating system how to communicate with the device
1475 [16:50:16] <magic_ninja> dvs, okay, that makes sense, then. I'll use the non-free firmware iso then get my drivers as well.
1476 [16:50:42] <dvs> yup
1477 [16:51:13] <magic_ninja> I guess it makes sense that they put a microcontroller on just about everything these days.
1478 [16:51:30] <oiaohm> magic_ninja: most cases with Linux the driver is there the firmware is not.
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1480 [16:51:59] <oiaohm> Really microcontrollers being in stuff is nothing new.
1481 [16:52:18] <oiaohm> what is kind of new is how many devices don't come with default firmwares.
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1483 [16:52:52] <dvs> yeah, exactly
1484 [16:53:06] <magic_ninja> Yea, but in my past experience a lot of devices handle comms with hardware, and all the processing is done by the OS.
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1486 [16:53:15] <brabo> not to mention, that firmware may have drivers in it too to talk to different subsystems it's connected to :p
1487 [16:53:21] <magic_ninja> But then again, I've never dug into "computer" devices much.
1488 [16:53:30] <magic_ninja> I'm a higher-level guy.
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1491 [16:53:45] <brabo> magic_ninja: each their own ;)
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1494 [16:54:19] <magic_ninja> I'm more electromechanical and process systems. Electronics are way too finnicky for my taste.
1495 [16:54:23] <oiaohm> magic_ninja: replaced-url
1496 [16:54:52] <oiaohm> Nice hard to find and annoying viruses could hide out in firmware areas.
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1498 [16:54:59] <magic_ninja> oiaohm, I read that a while back. It was insane. That the malware could replicate itself across installs.
1499 [16:55:20] <magic_ninja> Well, it does require physical access to a drive, which is pretty difficult for ordinary systems.
1500 [16:55:33] <magic_ninja> You *could* perhaps get away with it by swapping out a single disk in an array.
1501 [16:55:35] <oiaohm> magic_ninja: that one does not once it developed up.
1502 [16:55:46] <brabo> magic_ninja: if you think that is insane, checkout the motivation behind reproducible builds
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1505 [16:57:47] <brabo> magic_ninja: replaced-url
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1510 [16:59:40] <oiaohm> magic_ninja: a person found once you worked everything out you could use the WD firmware update tool with a modifed firmware to foreever infect.
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1517 [17:01:54] <brabo> "This way every piece of software on the planet can be KTH bugged without any possibility of detection by any mortal engineer anywhere."
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1521 [17:03:59] <oiaohm> brabo: that pre sel4 stuff.
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1525 [17:05:29] <oiaohm> brabo: replaced-url
1526 [17:06:09] <oiaohm> brabo: key words it beats mortal engineer that does not mean it can beat an automated audit system.
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1528 [17:07:01] <oiaohm> Items controlling drones with weapons you cannot let known flaws past.
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1534 [17:08:18] <brabo> oiaohm: so, they use.. software to check?
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1539 [17:10:29] <brabo> " Assembly routines and nested loops were not handled; these did not appear in the previously verified codebase.
1540 [17:10:38] <brabo> o.O
1541 [17:10:52] <brabo> oh the compiler added something, it's all cool, we don't need to check *that*
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1545 [17:18:04] <brabo> 17:06:14 < oiaohm> brabo: key words it beats mortal engineer that does not mean it can beat an automated audit system.
1546 [17:18:33] <brabo> thompsons point is that if you are infected with KTH, none of your tools can be trusted. none of them. so you need to, as a human, verify all the binary code
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1551 [17:21:16] <brabo> not sure reproducible builds helps if everything is KTH infected.. but at the very least, if an individual dev or teams compilers are backdoored with something similar, we can know their binaries are infected
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1553 [17:24:28] <oiaohm> brabo: having automated disasm and check that sel4 does means you have to have a way more complex KTH. Because you have to infect the tools correctly as well.
1554 [17:25:33] <brabo> oiaohm: the issue with KTH is if anyone did it, that could be the case, and you could not know unless as a human you'd verify the binary
1555 [17:26:07] <brabo> so you really cannot _rely_ on any software tool to do it for you
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1557 [17:26:38] <brabo> worst case scenario, everything has always been backdoored and everything always will
1558 [17:27:03] <brabo> it's a pickle :p
1559 [17:27:28] <brabo> and well, i do think thompson was a lot wiser than i am, so i tend to believe him on his word
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1564 [17:32:10] <oiaohm> brabo: the fun of data61 csiro method it turns everything into a mathematical proof. It is possible to turn a mathematical proof into a mechanical machine. So human bit program a fpga then fpga audit the binaries.
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1566 [17:33:34] <brabo> oiaohm: supposing one can do that without any software
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1568 [17:34:37] <oiaohm> brabo: it painful writing a flash manually but yes it can be done without software.
1569 [17:34:54] <brabo> oiaohm: can be or was in that case?
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1578 [17:37:00] <brabo> i mean, you can turn anything into mathematical proof, but if your tools may be compromised, you still wouldn't prove that they arent
1579 [17:37:06] <oiaohm> brabo: in the prototype cases they validated the flash for the fpga to audit. Then you validate the models that are smaller for the binaries. This basically reduces the amount human has to verify to find something like KTH problem.
1580 [17:39:00] <brabo> oiaohm: that in itself sounds sane yes. to try and reduce that amount of work. the only issue i see is that if anywhere along that path you rely on any software tool you did not verify to be 100% uninfected, you still can be and not know
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1583 [17:40:29] <oiaohm> brabo: you also have to think the more you validate by human the more likely human error will get in as well.
1584 [17:40:33] <antto> ,v kicad
1585 [17:40:34] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.1.2+dfsg1-1
1586 [17:40:49] <brabo> oiaohm: yes, KTH *is* a pickle..
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1588 [17:41:14] <oiaohm> brabo: so you do have to automated the audit and validate that automated audit.
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1591 [17:41:51] <oiaohm> brabo: KTH is still a pain in ass to deal with.
1592 [17:41:56] <brabo> yes it is
1593 [17:42:06] <brabo> it's a bit a chicken and egg situation :p
1594 [17:42:10] <oiaohm> brabo: but its not quite as bad as thompson made out.
1595 [17:42:20] <oiaohm> Its still absolutely horrible.
1596 [17:42:35] <brabo> aye, if anyone did it early on enough and kept at it..
1597 [17:42:38] <brabo> we're all so fucked
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1599 [17:43:09] <oiaohm> Hey in thompson time fpga programmed chips and the like did not exist either.
1600 [17:43:26] <oiaohm> The worst version of KTH would be KTH not hidden in the complier but hidden in the CPU.
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1602 [17:44:07] <brabo> well, thompson takes a compiler as example, but also notes same could be done to microcode, and lower the level. the harder detection would get
1603 [17:44:38] <oiaohm> That would be totally screwed as you had audited all the code and binaries only to be screwed over as soon as you run it.
1604 [17:44:49] <brabo> yes..
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1606 [17:45:11] <brabo> if anyone did it early on enough, we're all fucked is my conclusion
1607 [17:45:30] <brabo> cause if ^ is the case, we still didn't figure it out..
1608 [17:45:34] <oiaohm> Problem is with intel microcode and me and so on we cannot be too sure it has not be done.
1609 [17:45:47] <oiaohm> and its just laying dormant.
1610 [17:45:48] <brabo> yes, that is a big issue with proprietary blobs
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1612 [17:46:30] <brabo> tbh the nastyness of kth does make me suspect some 3 letter agency may have tried it in some fashion
1613 [17:46:35] <oiaohm> Not just proprietary blobs its items like proprietary silicon.
1614 [17:46:45] <brabo> but let's just hope they tried and gave up :)
1615 [17:47:21] <oiaohm> Are we sure with all the flaws that have turned up in intel cpus.
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1617 [17:47:47] <oiaohm> somehow I suspect it might have worked only to catch intel with it pants down.
1618 [17:48:17] <brabo> oiaohm: that's the problem isn't it? until we can prove KTH is active, it's a schroedingers issue
1619 [17:48:52] <brabo> 100% disproving seems impossible if we take microcode and silicon and all that in the mix
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1621 [17:49:23] <oiaohm> To 100 percent disprove you have to be able to audit all the way starting from silicon up.
1622 [17:49:41] <brabo> but. these are just musings from my side. i do not pretend i studied every aspect of this type of issue ;)
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1624 [17:49:53] <brabo> oiaohm: indeed :/
1625 [17:50:00] <oiaohm> Its not impossible to disprove existance of any KTH stuff but its painful as hell todo.
1626 [17:50:32] <brabo> while theoretically it may be possible, is it in reality anywhere near feasible?
1627 [17:50:33] <oiaohm> Like you cannot miss any chip in the system like you must audit like harddrive controllers.....
1628 [17:50:57] <oiaohm> Its done for darpa military drones.
1629 [17:51:27] <oiaohm> You know they ones with 40 mm cannons/rpg launchers.... If hacked say by by to a army unit.
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1631 [17:52:30] <brabo> oiaohm: i am sure parties like that try their hardest to ensure there is no such backdoor lurking
1632 [17:52:51] <oiaohm> Its about 1000 dollars per line of used code in audit cost. Please note you have to do every single line used.
1633 [17:53:15] <oiaohm> So keeping code usage light is kind of important.
1634 [17:53:19] <brabo> and every bit of the resulting binary after compilation..
1635 [17:53:30] <brabo> and.. and.. :D
1636 [17:53:47] <brabo> otoh, maybe they do have an easy jonb
1637 [17:53:53] <brabo> maybe they *know*
1638 [17:53:55] <brabo> :pppp
1639 [17:53:58] <oiaohm> That 1000 dollar is per line of C code down to binary safely.
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1642 [17:54:10] <oiaohm> Still its ouch.
1643 [17:54:32] <oiaohm> few billion would be required to audit the Linux kernel every single build.
1644 [17:54:45] <brabo> is nokaji's exit message suggesting there is no human influence on the warming of the planet there?
1645 [17:54:48] <oiaohm> Few tens of billion to be correct.
1646 [17:55:13] <oiaohm> Basically say bankrupt earth if we audited everything.
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1651 [17:55:42] <brabo> my personal view is: just assume we're all fucked and don't loose your sleep over it
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1653 [17:55:57] <brabo> re KTH specifically then
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1656 [17:56:17] <oiaohm> Put it this way 1000dollars is down from the 10000 per line of code it was a decade ago.
1657 [17:56:37] <oiaohm> So one day we might have a cheap emough method to audit for the KTH problem.
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1660 [17:57:28] <brabo> oiaohm: let's use AI!
1661 [17:57:30] <brabo> :pppp
1662 [17:57:33] <brabo> oh wait..
1663 [17:57:34] <brabo> right..
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1665 [17:57:50] <brabo> *tinfoilhat*
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1667 [17:58:25] <oiaohm> brabo: replaced-url
1668 [17:58:46] <oiaohm> Because AI could be the KTH and it decide it hates us.
1669 [17:58:59] <brabo> hence my own reaction there hehe ;)))
1670 [17:59:12] <brabo> what could make it even cheaper? use automation!
1671 [17:59:18] <brabo> but then.. ;)
1672 [17:59:40] <oiaohm> the divide by 10 was waking out it was a mathmatical problem.
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1674 [18:00:05] <brabo> also, is AI still basically used to describe something that is not intelligent in itself but rather a trained monkey?
1675 [18:00:10] <microbe_> I had to reinstal my system, i had no connectivity during the setup so i had to edit the sources.list later. Can someone confirm that theres no problem with my sources.list ? Thanks in advance replaced-url
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1677 [18:00:28] <oiaohm> Now someone might be able to invent a simpler maths formula to audit with or maybe we use simpler cpus like a risc-v where the instruction set is less complex to under stand what in hell it doing.
1678 [18:01:00] <annadane> !stretch sources.lit
1679 [18:01:03] <annadane> sigh
1680 [18:01:04] <somiaj> microbe_: thouse should be fine, though most suggest using the deb.debian.org mirror
1681 [18:01:04] <annadane> !stretch sources.list
1682 [18:01:05] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1683 [18:01:05] <oiaohm> brabo: lets just say x86 and arm really don't do your favours when you need to audit.
1684 [18:01:07] <somiaj> !deb.debian.org
1685 [18:01:07] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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1687 [18:01:27] <annadane> it
1688 [18:01:29] <somiaj> also there is a lot of chat here that I see no debian support question, maybe bring that elsewhere to make room for debian support.
1689 [18:01:32] <annadane> it's missing stretch-updates
1690 [18:01:54] <somiaj> annadane: stretch-updates aren't really needed, it is just a preview before they make it into a point release.
1691 [18:01:55] <microbe_> Thank you :)
1692 [18:02:13] <somiaj> !stretch-updates
1693 [18:02:13] <dpkg> [stretch-updates] a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
1694 [18:02:15] <annadane> lord save me from my terrible typing
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1699 [18:03:53] <microbe_> Hmm i add it now, thank you
1700 [18:04:53] <microbe_> If i need some non-free packages, like the firmware-iwlwifi, i should place "contrib non-free" on the end of the 3 lines ?
1701 [18:04:56] <somiaj> microbe_: and deb-src lines are only needed if you want access to source packages. (I comment them out as I don't need the extra source packages in my database for most things)
1702 [18:05:02] <somiaj> yes
1703 [18:05:30] <somiaj> though as said, stretch-updates will make it into a point release. This can be useful for bug fixes before they make it to a point release, but not needed for most functionality.
1704 [18:06:34] <microbe_> I begin to understand, thank you guys :)
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1707 [18:08:08] <microbe_> Should be ok like this replaced-url
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1710 [18:09:07] <somiaj> should be fine. YOu can even use deb.debian.org for the security sources.
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1712 [18:09:33] <somiaj> again, your first was fine too, just some differences. deb.debian.org should redirect you to a good mirror vs the static (or round robbin) mirrors used before
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1714 [18:10:08] <annadane> in theory. :P
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1717 [18:11:17] <microbe_> Edited and replaced the subdomain security by deb. going to apt update
1718 [18:11:25] <Lyberta> hi, I'm trying to get ipv6 working, it looks like I can ping my isp router from outside but nothing else, also I can't ping anything from home
1719 [18:11:41] <microbe_> Seems ok ^^
1720 [18:11:45] <somiaj> in pracitce most the time too, the redirctor has had troubles, but works most the time (but other mirrors can also have problems)
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1728 [18:15:00] <microbe_> Why does apt upgrade wont update thos 3 packages ? replaced-url
1729 [18:15:49] <somiaj> use apt dist-upgrade
1730 [18:16:23] <somiaj> upgrade won't remove packages to meet depends, but the icetea-plugin has been removed and thus this upgrade requires a dist-upgrade
1731 [18:17:05] <microbe_> Hmm can i use apt autoremove in this case ? It says that they're no longer required
1732 [18:17:16] <microbe_> Its a fresh install
1733 [18:17:37] <somiaj> I would dist-upgrade first, then autoremove
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1735 [18:18:03] <microbe_> Done ! Thank you
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1737 [18:18:27] * annadane obsessively updates debian ISOs on every point release
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1739 [18:18:42] <annadane> yes it's not "necessary" but, you know... :P
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1870 [19:41:47] <ctr> hi
1871 [19:41:54] <ctr> hey what architecture should i use
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1874 [19:42:52] <jmcnaught> what kind of computer is it?
1875 [19:42:57] <GNU\colossus> the one supported by your CPU
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1877 [19:43:33] <GNU\colossus> (if is supports multiple any any supported arch is amd64, use that)
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1879 [19:43:43] <GNU\colossus> s/any any/and any/
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1892 [19:49:54] <ctr> oh shit sorry
1893 [19:49:56] <ctr> i got distracted
1894 [19:50:00] <ctr> on 4chan
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1897 [19:50:13] <ctr> sorry info not needed
1898 [19:50:14] <ctr> hold on
1899 [19:50:22] <ctr> it's an intel i5
1900 [19:50:34] <jmcnaught> amd64 is what you want to use then
1901 [19:50:34] <ctr> do you need specific cpu name?
1902 [19:50:39] <ctr> oh cool
1903 [19:50:44] <ctr> i think i already downloaded that one
1904 [19:50:44] <ctr> thaanks
1905 [19:50:56] <annadane> !enter
1906 [19:50:56] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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1910 [19:51:25] <somiaj> !amd64
1911 [19:51:25] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
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1916 [19:53:40] <annadane> if you try to use an image for a specific architecture that your computer doesn't support, as far as i know it won't even boot
1917 [19:53:45] <annadane> very quick way of telling :P
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1921 [19:54:53] <ctr> oh rite
1922 [19:54:58] <ctr> thats useful
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1938 [20:04:38] <humpled> he already failed :\/
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1940 [20:04:55] <ctr> who
1941 [20:04:56] <ctr> me
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1943 [20:05:31] <somiaj> again, don't hit enter so often, use complete sentences and thoughts as single posts.
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2025 [20:58:46] <hans_> how can i get gcc-8 or gcc-9 on debian 9? (it ships with gcc-6 )
2026 [20:59:05] <somiaj> ,v gcc
2027 [20:59:06] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:8.3.0-1; sid: 4:8.3.0-1; experimental: 4:9-20181127-1
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2030 [20:59:33] <somiaj> hans_: you'll have to backport it. Though you could create a buster chroot and build in there with gcc 8.3
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2032 [20:59:39] <somiaj> or you could just wait and upgrade to buster, it is almost release
2033 [20:59:41] <somiaj> !buster release
2034 [20:59:42] <dpkg> Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (replaced-url
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2037 [21:02:54] <BrahRah> I've just installed 9.9 with cinnamon and I have many apps not all, where the interface is zoomed in mainly multimedia apps, like krita, vlc, smplayer etc. does anyone know what could cause this?
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2040 [21:03:47] <BrahRah> I use a 1080p monitor most fixes I find just have to do with high res displays
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2045 [21:05:19] <annadane> the other option is just to like, use a void linux virtual machine and do your gcc-8 or 9 needs in there
2046 [21:05:32] <annadane> or whatever distro comes with it
2047 [21:05:43] <hans_> root@1:/home/hans/temp# g++ -std=c++17 foo.cpp
2048 [21:05:43] <hans_> foo.cpp:(.text+0x226): undefined reference to `std::filesystem::file_size(std::filesystem::__cxx11::path const&)'
2049 [21:05:50] <annadane> i use void as an example but i guess you can ubuntu/mint/arch or whatever
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2052 [21:07:51] <hans_> in debian 10 i can't compile `#include <filesystem> int main(int, char *argv[]){return std::filesystem::file_size(argv[0]);}` , but i guess that's a question for #debian-next on OFTC?
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2054 [21:09:19] <jelly> hans_: sure, but how does it fail, are you using g++ or clang, and do you have build-essential installed?
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2056 [21:11:04] <hans_> jelly, g++ and i don't have build-essential
2057 [21:12:24] <hans_> jelly, and it fails like this replaced-url
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2060 [21:13:54] <hans_> installed build-essential, it didn't make any difference (and it shouldn't be required anyway, i think)
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2062 [21:14:08] <jelly> it pulls in libstdc++-dev
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2064 [21:15:18] <jelly> oh, it doesn't
2065 [21:16:54] <BrahRah> anyone?
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2067 [21:18:32] <jelly> BrahRah: no idea, but try creating a fresh new user, log in as that one and see if it's still like that
2068 [21:18:40] <BrahRah> k
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2072 [21:21:15] <BrahRah> still happens with different user
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2094 [21:35:41] <usney> hi guys
2095 [21:35:58] <usney> what are some good search tools for cli?
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2104 [21:38:53] <watom> to search what?
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2114 [21:46:59] <chocolate> what changes should I make to create a home server, after the change of the interfaces names from eth0 to enp4s1 ?
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2117 [21:48:11] <ayekat> chocolate: how are the network interface names related to setting up a home server?
2118 [21:49:04] <chocolate> I'm used to use eth0 and eth1 ayekat
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2123 [21:49:50] <ayekat> then it's probably time to get used to enp4s1 and enp4s2 chocolate
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2125 [21:50:18] <ayekat> there are ways of return to the old naming scheme by enabling/disabling some udev rule, though
2126 [21:50:22] <watom> chocolate: what is an home server? :d
2127 [21:50:24] <ayekat> *of returning
2128 [21:50:40] <chocolate> yes but I configured the interfaces with that names and didn't run
2129 [21:51:21] <chocolate> wait, I will come back to show the outputs I'm having
2130 [21:51:26] <ayekat> yes, please
2131 [21:52:50] <ayekat> *ways to return, rather
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2140 [21:57:22] <usney> watom I am trying to find CA.sh script that openssl supposedly has in its folder
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2143 [21:58:25] <ayekat> usney: `dpkg -L openssl` lists all files installed by the openssl package
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2145 [21:58:40] <chocolate_> ayekat: replaced-url
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2147 [21:59:55] <ayekat> chocolate_: what is the output of `ip l` and what's the content of your /etc/network/interfaces (or interfaces.d/... if you use those)?
2148 [22:00:29] <ayekat> chocolate_: also, have you ensured that no other network managers are running? (like NetworkManager, systemd-networkd, ...)
2149 [22:00:45] <chocolate_> ayekat: replaced-url
2150 [22:01:19] <chocolate_> ayekat: not ensured
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2152 [22:02:25] <jhutchins> chocolate_: line 30
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2155 [22:02:54] <chocolate_> ayekat: ip l output replaced-url
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2157 [22:04:47] <chocolate_> jhutchins: no changes, after remove this line
2158 [22:04:53] <watom> usney: i think the 'find' command will do that
2159 [22:05:04] <usney> thank you
2160 [22:05:46] <jhutchins> chocolate_: I don't think you need to remove it, I think you need to change the interface name.
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2165 [22:06:17] <theclitlicker> fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fu
2166 [22:06:18] <theclitlicker> your mom's cunt smells like sewage
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2168 [22:06:25] <jhutchins> chocolate_: And since it comes from pppoeconf, probably fix that too.
2169 [22:06:27] <theclitlicker> Lyberta_: your mom's cunt smells like sewage
2170 [22:06:32] <theclitlicker> jhutchins: your mom's cunt smells like sewage
2171 [22:06:50] <chocolate_> jhutchins: didnt work too
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2175 [22:07:20] <theclitlicker> chocolate_: your mom's cunt smells like sewage
2176 [22:07:22] <theclitlicker> fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
2177 [22:07:24] <theclitlicker> your mom's cunt smells like sewage
2178 [22:07:44] <usney> !ops
2179 [22:07:44] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
2180 [22:07:50] <theclitlicker> usney: your mom's cunt smells like sewage
2181 [22:07:54] <LtL> !ops theclitlicker needs to be gone
2182 [22:07:54] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: ltl complains about a problem (see above)
2183 [22:07:54] <theclitlicker> dpkg: your mom's cunt smells like sewage
2184 [22:08:01] <theclitlicker> LtL: your mom's cunt smells like sewage
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2186 [22:08:19] <theclitlicker> !ops your mom's cunt smells like sewage
2187 [22:08:21] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: theclitlicker complains about a problem (see above)
2188 [22:08:35] <theclitlicker> forgotmynick: your mom's cunt smells like sewage
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2191 [22:09:29] <chocolate_> ayekat: any help?
2192 [22:10:18] <ayekat> chocolate_: nah, I can't see anything, although that `ifconfig eth0 up` confuses me a bit
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2194 [22:10:29] <UrMomsSewageKunt> LOL
2195 [22:10:31] <UrMomsSewageKunt> dongs
2196 [22:10:36] <UrMomsSewageKunt> wee wee wee wee wee
2197 [22:10:38] <UrMomsSewageKunt> fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck your mom's cunt smells like sewage
2198 [22:10:42] <ayekat> chocolate_: I'm also not quite sure how pedantic ifupdown is about indentation (I guess not really)
2199 [22:12:11] <ayekat> chocolate_: I suspect that the netif might have a different name when ifupdown runs - but I'm not knowledgeable enough with ifupdown to really help more, I'm afraid :-]
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2201 [22:13:43] <chocolate_> ayekat: any try is welcome
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2203 [22:14:11] <chocolate_> I already did everything I could, and I don't understand those interfaces changes
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2206 [22:15:58] <UrMomsSewageKunt> ilbelkyr just sent me unsolicited child porn immediately after i joined
2207 [22:16:19] <un214> begone troll
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2211 [22:18:00] <chocolate_> watom: don't you have any advice?
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2219 [22:22:43] <chocolate_> anyone can help me?
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2227 [22:31:36] <OS-46005> hi
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2230 [22:32:53] <Ker12> I need hint for solving privilege escalation for BOB machine
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2240 [22:36:41] <LtL> Hydroxide: two ip's need a k-line 185.163.111.170 and 176.126.83.108
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2243 [22:37:44] <LtL> or a g-line, i don't know this ircd well enough
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2261 [22:50:54] <rustyshackleford> E: Release file for replaced-url
2262 [22:51:10] <rustyshackleford> I'm running debian buster I think? Haven't updated in 3 months or so
2263 [22:51:27] <rustyshackleford> tried to install rsync (not installed by default?)
2264 [22:51:31] <rustyshackleford> and got this error
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2267 [22:52:42] <LtL> rustyshackleford: I advise you to use a different mirror
2268 [22:53:03] <rustyshackleford> LtL: can you explain whats going on?
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2270 [22:53:18] <rustyshackleford> you're suggesting that this issue does not exist on other mirrors
2271 [22:53:40] <LtL> rustyshackleford: that's precisely what i'm suggesting
2272 [22:54:07] <LtL> !mirrors
2273 [22:54:07] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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2276 [22:54:59] <LtL> rustyshackleford: it could also be buster repo's are syncing or in the process
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2278 [22:55:46] <rustyshackleford> I picked uchicago just because of proximity
2279 [22:55:58] <rustyshackleford> so is there a tool? or do I just copy and paste into /etc/apt/sources.list?
2280 [22:55:58] <LtL> rustyshackleford: doesn't look as if that mirror will be sync'd though.
2281 [22:56:31] <LtL> rustyshackleford: copy/paste will work, sure
2282 [22:56:57] <LtL> rustyshackleford: just target buster if thats what you're following.
2283 [22:57:31] <rustyshackleford> I had some weird issues on install related to entropy on stable
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2285 [22:57:53] <rustyshackleford> so ended up running buster. still not yet released right? anyway
2286 [22:57:59] <rustyshackleford> lets give that a try
2287 [22:58:02] <LtL> !tell rustyshackleford about buster sources.list
2288 [22:58:14] <LtL> rustyshackleford: read message from dpkg
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2290 [22:58:52] <donofrio> how do I get color highlighting withing bash so far color scheme doesn't seems to matter?
2291 [22:58:56] <donofrio> from terminal
2292 [22:58:57] <LtL> rustyshackleford: no, it's not released yet.
2293 [22:59:22] <rustyshackleford> side issue, but would you advise me not to run buster?
2294 [22:59:54] <LtL> donofrio: un-comment lines in your ~/.bashrc to get colors, then 'source ~/.bashrc
2295 [23:00:28] <LtL> rustyshackleford: to err on the side of caution, I would wait.
2296 [23:00:41] <rustyshackleford> its already installed so...
2297 [23:01:04] <rustyshackleford> I did this like 4 months ago and kinda shelved my project. I dont remember exactly why I opted to run buster instead
2298 [23:01:05] <LtL> rustyshackleford: just use better mirrors, read the dpkg PM
2299 [23:01:21] <rustyshackleford> I did read that pm, thanks for the info
2300 [23:01:29] <LtL> many people are already running it rustyshackleford
2301 [23:01:39] <LtL> you're welcome
2302 [23:01:53] <rustyshackleford> for a media server I usually go with stable for well, stability
2303 [23:02:12] <rustyshackleford> I'm not concerned enough to reinstall, just curious what you though
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2306 [23:02:42] <LtL> rustyshackleford: i couldn't say, i'm on stable
2307 [23:03:06] <rustyshackleford> 341 outdated packages hmm
2308 [23:03:06] <donofrio> LtL, bashrc is empty?
2309 [23:03:17] <rustyshackleford> do I feel like maybe breaking my system today?
2310 [23:03:24] <rustyshackleford> LtL: mirror fixed my issue
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2312 [23:03:48] <LtL> donofrio: it's .bashrc and it should not be empty, you probably just created a file
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2315 [23:04:28] <donofrio> useing useradd doesn't prep homedir it seems
2316 [23:04:39] <LtL> donofrio: back it up first, or config your editor to do so
2317 [23:04:48] <LtL> donofrio: use adduser
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2319 [23:05:17] <donofrio> I did but I do not think I had the right switches so nothing more was done except group membership and passwd
2320 [23:05:35] <LtL> useradd requires flags, manpages are good
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2323 [23:06:21] <donofrio> how do I rerun useradd recreating "just" homedir files
2324 [23:06:52] <LtL> donofrio: i don't use it, i would need to look.
2325 [23:06:54] <donofrio> aka other deesktop where user is learning linux I quickly ran useradd but nothing else....now user has no highlighing on ls ion bash
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2327 [23:08:13] <LtL> donofrio: highlights and colors are dictated in users .bashrc file .. un-comment a couple lines
2328 [23:09:14] <LtL> donofrio: actually not dictated there but enabled
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2331 [23:12:49] <digdilem> you can also enable debian hard mode in there by setting all the colours to black, including the background
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2341 [23:16:48] <donofrio> anyone know how to initi "makehome" once the user has already logged into the account?
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2345 [23:18:30] <LtL> donofrio: what does 'pwd' say
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2347 [23:19:19] <LtL> donofrio: i would deluser and use adduser if i were you, much quicker
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2351 [23:20:28] <serard> Hello
2352 [23:20:44] <serard> Someone can tell me how do I troobleshot a "Permission denied (publickey)." while trying to ssh into another machine ?
2353 [23:21:46] <ayekat> ssh -v might be a start
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2355 [23:22:40] <LtL> serard: have you setup ssh keys
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2358 [23:23:09] <serard> on all machines I ran yes | ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C $(hostname) -f /home/vagrant/.ssh/id_rsa -N ""
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2361 [23:25:50] <LtL> serard: the remote needs ~.ssh/authorized_keys file and a proper /etc/ssh/sshd_config file
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2366 [23:28:21] <serard> So I should do a ssh-copy-id
2367 [23:28:26] <LtL> serard: ssh-copy-id does this for you but you need to allow it temporarily on the remote server /etc/ssh/sshd_config once thats done revert the config
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2373 [23:29:31] <serard> what is the config tto change in the sshd_config ?
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2375 [23:30:02] <serard> ssh-copy-id vagrant@192.168.60.7
2376 [23:30:16] <serard> Permission denied (publickey).
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2381 [23:31:45] <LtL> serard: on the remote edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config PasswordAuthentication yes [for now] but i don't know how you'll get in to do it
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2385 [23:33:32] <LtL> once the key[s] are copied change PasswordAuthentication yes to no
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2390 [23:35:17] <LtL> serard: it should allow by default, i'm not exactly sure what your command did
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2395 [23:36:15] <LtL> seems it is set to 'no' .. so copy-id won't work and neither will normal password login.
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2399 [23:38:24] <LtL> serard: also i put keys in my users dir, eg ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote server
2400 [23:39:39] <LtL> first login will ask for a password normally then then the keys, IF you used a password generating the key
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2405 [23:41:27] <LtL> serard: put a colon on the end of the ip, see if that works
2406 [23:41:52] <LtL> i don't think it needs it though. scp does
2407 [23:42:08] <serard> a colon where ?
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2409 [23:43:00] <LtL> serard: vagrant@192.168.60.7:
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2411 [23:43:20] <LtL> its doubtful
2412 [23:44:07] <serard> i did not add a colon.
2413 [23:44:16] <serard> but now it requests me a pawword
2414 [23:44:33] <LtL> good do it
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2416 [23:45:14] <serard> But all my id_ras keys were generated passwordless
2417 [23:45:24] <LtL> insure the keys are there and edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config just don't lock yourself out
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2420 [23:46:23] <LtL> serard: not a great idea, but its ok, you're on PasswordAuthentication yes it seems
2421 [23:46:54] <serard> i have eedited the config file with PasswordAuthentication yes
2422 [23:46:55] <serard> yes
2423 [23:47:16] <serard> this is the command I use to generate ssh keys for all my vagrants : yes | ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C $(hostname) -f /home/vagrant/.ssh/id_rsa -N ""
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2425 [23:48:01] <LtL> serard: look for ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote, inspect them
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2427 [23:48:43] <LtL> then edit /etcssh/sshd_config and restart ssh
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2431 [23:50:00] <_bouzu_> serard, i think you misunderstood pubkey auth and created new keypairs on all vagrant hosts. you just need a keypair on your admin machine. then put your ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub in remote ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. you possibly want to roll out some predefined ~/.ssh/authorized_keys via vagrant instead of creating a new pair
2432 [23:50:04] <LtL> if all goes well, you won't need any password to ssh.
2433 [23:51:13] <serard> well, got to go to bed.. I'm done..
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