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80 [01:02:49] <laughingtiger> hello, I have a problem, when installing wine, it gives me a warning, says following packages cannot be authenticated. how to solve this?
81 [01:03:26] <laughingtiger> and when trying apt update, it says gpg error about wine, etc.
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85 [01:05:14] <laughingtiger> channel for wine is invite only so I have to come here.
86 [01:06:10] <laughingtiger> some programs won't work even I installed it by ignoring the warning, they worked fine before when there wasn't a warning.
87 [01:06:24] <OerHeks> invite only means register with #freenode
88 [01:06:31] <OerHeks> no guests
89 [01:06:46] <laughingtiger> OerHeks, oh thank you .
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94 [01:07:48] <laughingtiger> s/even/after
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101 [01:09:44] <anti> did a search for MX linux irc nothing came back anyone know where i can get some MX help?, ty...
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104 [01:13:31] <OerHeks> anti, check their website? i found none
105 [01:15:06] <laughingtiger> oh shit I fucked up again
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112 [01:18:45] <anti> OerHeks, ty i just did some more webfu and on a faq list says they host 0 irc = LAME.,share it with others if they ask and ty...
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119 [01:20:40] <OerHeks> certainly not, this is debian support, not the mx clan channel
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130 [01:27:31] <annadane> laughingtiger, how did you install wine? a gpg error is strange. perhaps post the full output to paste.debian.net and some wine expert can look at it
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132 [01:28:03] <annadane> also if the package manager is trying to warn you, in future maybe don't force it
133 [01:28:43] <annadane> rushing and cheap hackery doesn't get you very far in linux, this isn't windows
134 [01:29:03] <annadane> that said i suspect things not working is unrelated to the gpg error
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139 [01:32:14] <annadane> it sounds like you added a third party repo to your sources list and i'm not sure how well supported that is in the case of wine, i haven't tried it
140 [01:32:29] <annadane> "gpg error about wine on apt update"
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146 [01:34:30] <annadane> i notice their website does say "The WineHQ repository key was changed on 2018-12-19. If you downloaded and added the key before that time, you will need to download and add the new key and run sudo apt update to accept the repository changes."
147 [01:34:52] <annadane> which is of course likely unrelated as we're now in june of 2019...
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149 [01:36:01] <annadane> if all else fails you can just build it from source
150 [01:36:09] <annadane> that was too much information, but anyway
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153 [01:39:25] <laughingtiger> annadane, sorry I read your help just now, was away.
154 [01:40:12] <laughingtiger> I doubt it was the key's fault unless their website hasn't been updated since then.
155 [01:40:12] <annadane> laughingtiger, also, take note that there is a newer wine available in stretch-backports, if you need newer than is in stretch
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157 [01:40:35] <annadane> i haven't installed it because i get a dependency mess but you may be better off :P
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159 [01:40:51] <annadane> (nvidia, of course, because they play *so* well with everything)
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161 [01:44:41] <laughingtiger> annadane, thank you, probably I should reinstall the whole system.
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168 [01:49:34] <laughingtiger> annadane, sorry, pastebin was too heavyloaded a while ago, this is the apt-get udpate info: replaced-url
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171 [01:51:47] <annadane> did you follow replaced-url
172 [01:52:14] <annadane> from what i've read it *seems* to be recommended
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178 [01:52:45] <somiaj> the winehq packages are of decent quality if you don't want the one from stretch-backports
179 [01:52:49] <laughingtiger> annadane, I believe I did followed it precisely.
180 [01:53:00] <somiaj> (I think there is some overlap between the maker of those and the ones that are in debian too)
181 [01:53:17] <jmcnaught> laughingtiger: some of those warnings are because you have the repository listed in both /etc/apt/sources.list (line 18) and in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list (line 3) which is easy to fix
182 [01:53:18] <magic_ninja> man, is there a GUI for IFTOP
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184 [01:53:58] <laughingtiger> jmcnaught, Ikr, but that's not the problem.
185 [01:54:43] <somiaj> magic_ninja: what are you looking for? There are some gui apps for netwrok traffic. iptraf is the only one I know, but it is a curses ui.
186 [01:55:00] <magic_ninja> I want something that puts out some more readable info
187 [01:55:23] <somiaj> replaced-url
188 [01:55:39] <somiaj> I find iptraf useful, but I have very limited use
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192 [01:56:47] <laughingtiger> annadane, ah, I'm gonna reinstall , this is the level of my skill set so far, who can I blame but myself only? thank you for your help. than you all for your help. much appreciated.
193 [01:56:52] <magic_ninja> sudo: iptraf: command not found
194 [01:56:57] <magic_ninja> that is after installing it
195 [01:57:41] <annadane> sorry i couldn't be more helpful, i was a bit excessively wordy
196 [01:57:49] <jmcnaught> laughingtiger: if your problem is that you don't have the GPG key for the winehq repository it shows how to add it on this page: replaced-url
197 [01:58:48] <somiaj> magic_ninja: seems it is iptraf-ng (though surprised it didn't provide a link for iptraf via the alternative system or what not)
198 [01:58:50] <laughingtiger> jmcnaught, hah, I added it already by doing whatever the page says.
199 [01:58:59] <laughingtiger> annadane, but I like wordy people.
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201 [01:59:08] <laughingtiger> seriously
202 [01:59:12] <somiaj> magic_ninja: I had to look it up, seems iptraf is replaced with iptraf-ng and the iptraf package is just a transitional package.
203 [01:59:42] <laughingtiger> jmcnaught, sorry i mean nah
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205 [02:01:00] <laughingtiger> I talk too much. see you
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211 [02:03:55] <annadane> i kind of suspect after buster the version numbers won't increase too much for wine, 1.6 or whatever to 4 is a big jump
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214 [02:04:13] <annadane> 1.8
215 [02:04:28] <Unit193> ,v wine-development
216 [02:04:29] <judd> Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; stretch: 2.0-3; sid: 3.7-1; sid: 3.10-1; buster: 4.2-4; sid: 4.2-4
217 [02:04:44] <annadane> i could be totally wrong ofc
218 [02:05:16] <annadane> jessie 1.6, stretch 1.8, buster 4.0
219 [02:05:27] <somiaj> ,v wine
220 [02:05:28] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; sid: 4.0-2
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223 [02:06:02] <annadane> just depends how seriously you take your gaming :P
224 [02:06:21] <somiaj> on stretch I'd probably suggest the package from stretch-backports if you need a newer version.
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232 [02:12:34] <BazookaTooth> could try lutris
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241 [02:19:14] <magic_ninja> see, it just shut itself off. grr.
242 [02:19:20] <magic_ninja> I'm getting really frustrated.
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257 [02:30:44] <magic_ninja> okay so here is where I'm at. I need to figure out how to monitor a USB port period and log disconnects and reconnects.
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279 [02:49:02] <mvaenskae> what is the correct approach to removing old kernels?
280 [02:49:57] <somiaj> mvaenskae: just use apt to remove them like any other package.
281 [02:50:04] <mvaenskae> manually?
282 [02:50:20] <somiaj> apt shoudl be removing all except the latest two with autoremove, so one should only have two kernels installed if you run autoremove
283 [02:50:30] <somiaj> apt keeps one back just in case the new kernel doens't boot.
284 [02:50:54] <mvaenskae> maybe apt is getting confused then because i move my kernels around for refind
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288 [02:52:29] <OerHeks> sudo apt install byobu && sudo purge-old-kernels --keep 2
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291 [02:53:47] <somiaj> if you manually install your kernels (so they aren't autoinstalled) the autoremove won't remove them.
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293 [02:54:27] <magic_ninja> Lets see. So it appears that the USB port is dropping out and reconnecting
294 [02:54:36] <mvaenskae> i merely want to move them from /boot to /boot/efi/EFI/$distro
295 [02:55:58] <mvaenskae> as /boot is on the partition as my rootfs BUT /boot/efi isn't (which to my understanding is the correct way using efi -- one ESP for the whole system)
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303 [03:01:12] <somiaj> mvaenskae: debian has troubles with /boot being on efi (vfat) because of how dpkg does upgrades.
304 [03:01:42] <somiaj> debian uses hardlinks for upgrades, and vfat doens't support that. So upgrading kernel packages will error out if you put /boot on your efi partition (vfat)
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310 [03:05:01] <mvaenskae> i am not a technical expert but i would think at some point ESPs are expected to exist and people will not want to handle multiple bootloaders
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313 [03:07:16] <somiaj> there is no need to use grub anymore with efi boot, and gummiboot (which now has some replacement in systemd) can be used instead to allow your uefi firmware to function as your bootloader
314 [03:07:33] <mvaenskae> why is grub then so ingrained in debian?
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316 [03:08:26] <somiaj> I have seen people put the /boot on the esp partition which can contain all the kernels along with the efi files for boot. But they run into problems upgrading kernels due to debian packages assuming you are on a *nix file system that supports hardlinks, which causes upgrades to fail.
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318 [03:08:47] <somiaj> so this is just an incovience you have to deal wiht if you want to but /boot on your efi partition and then encrypt the rest of your system.
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320 [03:09:03] <somiaj> mvaenskae: debian sitll supports legacy boot, which requirs a boot loader. Debian also still has lilo if you dont' like grub.
321 [03:09:08] <mvaenskae> /boot shouldn't be used as the ESP :)
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323 [03:09:29] <somiaj> so it is easiest to just have grub which works for both legacy and uefi.
324 [03:10:07] <magic_ninja> Well, lets try this. Perhaps there is some kind of interference around here
325 [03:10:15] <magic_ninja> The usb card doesn't seem to be dropping.
326 [03:10:16] <somiaj> might be personal opinion, I'm just stating what i"ve seen people try to do. I personally keep /boot on a *nix file system and just efi info on my esp partition.
327 [03:11:06] <mvaenskae> somiaj: also what i do, but as i use FDE for my root-partition my kernels which reside in /boot are not really available :)
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329 [03:14:17] <magic_ninja> Hmm, so 2.4 works way better than 5 ghz, or it seems to.
330 [03:14:31] <magic_ninja> I know I had a driver working quite well on the 4.19 kernel, I just can't remember which one
331 [03:15:33] <somiaj> 5gz is faster but you need to be closer to the ap and have a clearer signal.
332 [03:15:41] <somiaj> 2.4 is more relialbe, but slower
333 [03:16:01] <somiaj> (well can't have the same data trasnfer, but often times this is not the case). The only thing I use on 5gz is my streaming device
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336 [03:21:40] <magic_ninja> I'm 5 feet away
337 [03:22:09] <magic_ninja> it works fine in windows.
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339 [03:22:50] <somiaj> then might be a driver issue in linux
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365 [03:59:50] <nsk_nyc_> test
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367 [04:00:56] <dvs> !test
368 [04:00:56] <dpkg> Test failed.
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431 [05:24:18] <herpy> Hello
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433 [05:24:52] <herpy> is oftc down for anyone else?
434 [05:26:13] <dvs> nope
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436 [05:28:41] <herpy> huh, the website is not loading for me
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440 [05:32:39] <Lady_Aleena> ,v my_brain
441 [05:32:40] <judd> No package named 'my_brain' was found in amd64.
442 [05:32:46] <Lady_Aleena> Darn it.
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444 [05:32:54] <Mysterytrain> shnicker
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449 [05:38:00] <mvaenskae> eh, how can i change the cuda version of nvidia?
450 [05:39:09] <mvaenskae> i know this is not debian-next but buster's nvidia version seems to have been updated to one which uses cuda10.1 (but i need cuda10.0 due to tensorflow and tf is NOT compatible with cuda10.1) -- alternatively i can also reinstall the old version but how would i do that?
451 [05:39:12] <oiaohm> mvaenskae: change the complete driver in use.
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454 [05:41:34] <mvaenskae> iirc the previous was nvidia-410 but it's at least not visible in `apt search` anymore
455 [05:43:55] <mvaenskae> on here i can see a link to the old driver: replaced-url
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457 [05:46:11] <somiaj> you could look at snapshot.debian.org for older packages, but these get no support.
458 [05:46:49] <mvaenskae> i understand not receiving support for them and hope tensorflow fixes their build system (in which case i will migrate to the new version and rebuild tf)
459 [05:48:04] <mvaenskae> somiaj: would installing the old nvidia version automagically pull in the whole shebang of deps?
460 [05:49:13] <mvaenskae> nope, not listed on snapshot.debian.org...
461 [05:52:05] <somiaj> you can add various snapshots to your sources.list and install them that way, or just manually download the .debs you need.
462 [05:52:24] <somiaj> I don't use snapshot that often, so read the docs.
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467 [05:59:47] <mvaenskae> thanks for mentioning the snapshot option
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481 [06:17:24] <trueman> Hi everyone - newbie here - have installed 6.0.4 on and old pc but cannot log in
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490 [06:29:46] <mvaenskae> alright, downgrading was not necessary but the update broke some cuda-stuff which i manually installed (needed it for manual compilations)
491 [06:29:55] <mvaenskae> reinstall and reboot fixed it
492 [06:30:19] <mvaenskae> but i learned about snapshots (very valuable for the future)
493 [06:30:32] <mvaenskae> so thanks for pointing me towards that
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688 [09:28:57] <rant> can anyone think of what ELSE would cause ssh to say no route to host.. other than there being no route to host? I can ping -c1 10.0.0.2 and get a reply, I can access replaced-url
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693 [09:29:42] <Habbie> rant, a firewall
694 [09:31:26] <rant> true.. hmm.. but wouldnt that have to be a local firewall on the client side? cause if it were on the server it'd just say connection refused or connection timed out
695 [09:31:39] <rant> I don't have any firewall on this machine
696 [09:32:04] <rant> furthermore I was just using ssh to that same ip and port before I swapped the server
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700 [09:34:19] <lupulo> @rant, but the firewall could drop packet of different ways
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702 [09:35:20] <rant> yes but the error no route to host would be generated by my local routing tables, no?
703 [09:35:37] <lupulo> rant, replaced-url
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705 [09:35:55] <rant> hmm.. idk this new server got all kinds of crap I'm not familiar with yet.. has fail2ban among other stuff that installed with the freedombox I was trying out
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720 [09:38:24] <rant> not sure really what to check to see if this is fail2ban related ..
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723 [09:38:40] <rant> I know it has a log somewhere and it adds firewall rules
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731 [09:41:30] <rant> it does say in this freedombox security setting that only users in the admin group will be able to login to the console or via SSH
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797 [09:44:02] <CarlFK> how do I give a user (jenkins) sudo privs so it doesn't prompt for a password ?
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816 [09:47:13] <rant> CarlFK: is the user already in the sudo group?
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873 [09:48:05] <CarlFK> rant: yes
874 [09:48:18] <rant> CarlFK: change the %sudo line to read: %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
875 [09:48:32] <rant> CarlFK: unless you want to create a new rule just for one user
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877 [09:48:59] <CarlFK> meh, this this is fine - thanks
878 [09:49:11] <rant> CarlFK: use the visudo command
879 [09:49:18] <rant> to edit that
880 [09:49:29] <CarlFK> rant: how do I tell visudo to use vim?
881 [09:49:37] <rant> heh
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884 [09:50:11] <rant> thats hilarious to me cause I hate vi* and it always used to use vi.. which I believe is where it got its name.. now it uses nano by default
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888 [09:50:33] <CarlFK> yeah, I was thinking that...
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895 [09:51:35] <rant> thats a question that has a vast many answers.. as it has a number of ways to change this.. for a single run doing EDITOR=vi visudo should work
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897 [09:52:23] <rant> for more information see man visudo, the bit about editors is at the top.. says it uses /usr/bin/editor by default which is handled by alternatives i.e. update-alternatives
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941 [09:52:50] <rant> so the simplest most debian way of doing it would be to change your default editor in alternatives
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944 [09:53:01] <rant> but it can also be done with env vars or directives in the sudoers file itself
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1013 [09:56:51] <rant> I satisfied my curiousity and seeing what that does.. might be great for someone who doesn't know wth they're doing, but its confusing the crap outta me and I just wanna ssh in and get to work, dont need newfangled crap I dont understand keepin me out
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1032 [10:02:48] <lupulo> rant, man update-alternatives
1033 [10:02:53] <rant> :D thats more like it..
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1036 [10:03:32] <rant> lupulo: I ain't your man, buddy
1037 [10:04:04] <rant> (its a south park meme..)
1038 [10:04:20] <rant> I wasn't asking about alternatives I was answering a question about it
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1040 [10:04:32] <rant> more specifically about how to change the editor for visudo
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1045 [10:07:35] <Ticho_> "man visudo" has an entire paragraph about how visudo chooses the editor program
1046 [10:07:50] <rant> yeah.. I said that as well
1047 [10:08:12] <rant> but I felt the need to mention alternatives cause it doesnt mention that
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1049 [10:08:37] <Ticho_> because it's a completely unrelated thing
1050 [10:08:44] <rant> and lesser experienced users who havent been using debian for decades might not realize the reference to /usr/bin/editor is a link to alternatives
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1052 [10:09:13] <rant> it is in general, but not in debian.. and not if a user is likely the only user of a system and prefers vi to nano
1053 [10:09:31] <rant> which I think is insane, but w/e
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1055 [10:09:44] * rant isn't a fan of vi* :P
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1060 [10:11:32] <tinyhippo> visudo is a stupid thing
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1062 [10:11:59] <tinyhippo> should just be /path/to/editor/of/your/choice /etc/sudoers
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1065 [10:12:40] <rant> not really.. its validation of editing a priv escalating config with far reaching scope and giving a less confusing entry into the linux manual pages than sudoers :P
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1067 [10:14:33] <Ticho_> tinyhippo: nobody is stopping you from doing just that on your system
1068 [10:14:45] <jelly> tinyhippo: and let users edit /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$USER directly! crontab -e is stupid
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1073 [10:15:49] <rant> replaced-url
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1075 [10:16:02] <rant> C-x M-C M-butterfly :P
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1082 [10:20:27] <bleb> im trying to enable "sudo apt ..." for my user account with no password
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1084 [10:20:36] <bleb> in my sudoers file i have:
1085 [10:20:36] <bleb> cm ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt
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1087 [10:21:04] <Habbie> bleb, any reason you're trying to allow just apt and not everything else?
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1091 [10:22:06] <bleb> Habbie: i have some distractions dns blocked and want to make it difficult for myself to circumvent
1092 [10:22:17] <Habbie> fair enough :)
1093 [10:22:43] <bleb> ok its working now... i forgot i had changed my user account name
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1099 [10:26:44] <tinyhippo> jelly: I mean the fact that it's called visudo and opens nano where nano is set as the default editor
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1102 [10:26:54] <tinyhippo> maybe it should be `sudotab -e`
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1105 [10:28:40] <Ticho_> don't forget to also change commands vipw and vigr, while you're at it
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1134 [10:57:25] <ksk> tinyhippo: visudo is a wrapper around EDITOR, which makes sure you do not mess up sudoers (and end up with an unusable system)
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1151 [11:07:47] <melpy> TwT
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1155 [11:09:18] <Mdlpe> Hi, I attempt to install MxDebian on my laptop. I installed it on my second hdd. I made a new efi partition on sdb. All is fine but I don't have ths Windows boot option on the grub menu. How to add it, please ?
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1160 [11:10:37] <AdamJensen> Does Debian's Chromium disable signing in with a google sync account?
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1171 [11:18:49] <AdamJensen> Halp?
1172 [11:18:57] <ksk> AdamJensen: not sure, but I thought the whole point of chromium was to have something google-ecosystem-free in the first place?
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1174 [11:19:23] <AdamJensen> ksk: but I need the stuff I have synced there
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1177 [11:20:30] <lavenders> how to encrypt a normal usb drive?
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1179 [11:20:40] <ksk> replaced-url
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1181 [11:20:57] <ksk> "They are no longer building the Sync-APIs into Chromium, so it does not appear to be working with the current version 59.0.3062.0."
1182 [11:21:49] <AdamJensen> ksk: everything's working fine on my archlinux build
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1184 [11:22:03] <AdamJensen> With version 74
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1186 [11:22:49] <AdamJensen> I'm running unstable also
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1188 [11:23:01] <AdamJensen> Please, I want those digital handcuffs from Google
1189 [11:24:55] <AdamJensen> Is Debian's chromium built without it?
1190 [11:25:32] <AdamJensen> btw, unstable is the new sid, right?
1191 [11:25:40] <ksk> !sid
1192 [11:25:40] <dpkg> sid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
1193 [11:25:53] <ksk> !debian-next
1194 [11:25:54] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1195 [11:25:54] <ksk> !next
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1197 [11:26:19] <AdamJensen> ksk: don't give me that X_X
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1200 [11:30:09] <AdamJensen> Yep, it seems like the package is built this way
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1202 [11:31:53] <kinky_nekoboi> anbody experiences kernel 4.19 hangs at the loading ramdisk stage ?
1203 [11:31:55] <AdamJensen> Starting to regret installing debian instead of archlinux on this box...
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1207 [11:34:55] <ksk> kinky_nekoboi: is that an official debian distributed kernel, or something you build? most of times you are missing devices (LVM, raid, ??) when it hangs on ramdisk.
1208 [11:35:04] <xevilstar> hello fellow debianinsts ..... where can I check if anyone is looking after replaced-url
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1210 [11:36:07] <kinky_nekoboi> ksk, its the offical kernel from debian buster
1211 [11:36:14] <ksk> xevilstar: the maintainer of that package (And maybe more) have gotten an email regarding your issue.
1212 [11:36:39] <ksk> kinky_nekoboi: since buster is not live (yet), I think this talk is best put to debian-next.
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1214 [11:36:54] <kinky_nekoboi> ksk, some background: ASUS KGPE-D16 with coreboot. 4.9 from stretch boots fine
1215 [11:36:59] <xevilstar> kinky_nekoboi: I am not invited there
1216 [11:37:20] <ksk> did you read the debian-next faqtoid to the end? its not on this network.
1217 [11:37:21] <kinky_nekoboi> cannot find debian-next on freenode
1218 [11:37:30] <kinky_nekoboi> ah ok
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1220 [11:37:45] <xevilstar> kinky_nekoboi: can I get invited ?
1221 [11:37:58] <ksk> xevilstar: wat?
1222 [11:38:18] <xevilstar> I'd like to be invited to #debian-next
1223 [11:38:25] <xevilstar> how can I ?
1224 [11:38:29] <ksk> !tell xevilstar about debian-next
1225 [11:38:34] <ksk> read what the bot says.
1226 [11:38:46] <xevilstar> !tell xevilstar about debian-next
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1228 [11:39:05] <ksk> it did already message you. look out for a window with a private message (from dpkg)
1229 [11:40:03] <xevilstar> [11:39:32] Attempting connection to irc.oftc.net (OFTC) on port 6667
1230 [11:40:05] <xevilstar> [11:39:32] Looking up the server hostname (irc.oftc.net)...
1231 [11:40:08] <xevilstar> [11:39:35] Can't find the server IP address: Unknown node (host not found)
1232 [11:41:01] <ksk> works for me (and using google its 8.8.8.8)
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1237 [11:41:43] <xevilstar> now it works
1238 [11:42:21] <uptime> Huh, didn't work for me either a few minutes ago.
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1242 [11:46:24] <xevilstar> replaced-url
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1244 [11:46:44] <xevilstar> wait ... connecting ....
1245 [11:47:11] <xevilstar> (slow as death by hunger)
1246 [11:47:21] <xevilstar> 404
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1253 [11:49:21] <AdamJensen> Why not make the unstable channel here? Connecting to another server is a hassle
1254 [11:49:46] <xevilstar> AdamJensen: exactly
1255 [11:49:51] <jelly> AdamJensen: this IS the other server.
1256 [11:50:10] <AdamJensen> jelly: but we can't talk about unstable/sid here
1257 [11:50:14] <jelly> all #debian* channels are on OFTC. irc.debian.org is OFTC.
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1261 [11:54:00] <xevilstar> jelly: cannot reach that oftc site
1262 [11:54:16] <xevilstar> jelly: how can validate my nickname ?
1263 [11:54:30] <humpled> WAH
1264 [11:55:23] <shellclear> hi, it has been few days OS always checks filesystem at boot time, looking for a solution I verify /etc/fstab and tune2fs
1265 [11:55:25] <shellclear> replaced-url
1266 [11:56:11] <shellclear> the question is: why 'Maximum mount count' value is set to -1 ?
1267 [11:56:30] <shellclear> Ididnt remember to change this option in the filesystem
1268 [11:57:05] <shellclear> would someone knows why that?
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1272 [11:59:03] <xevilstar> nice I am trying from two different connections to reach replaced-url
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1277 [12:02:00] <tdn> How can I implement a 'pi-hole' on a regular Debian server that is not a raspberrypi?
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1282 [12:03:51] <Unit193> xevilstar: Try to send /msg nickserv checkverify over there now.
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1284 [12:04:56] <xevilstar> Unit193: NickServ [services@services.oftc.net]: To set +R, your nick must be registered and verified.
1285 [12:05:30] <Unit193> xevilstar: Did you try since I made that comment?
1286 [12:06:10] <Unit193> If so, seems you aren't logged in?
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1288 [12:08:03] <xevilstar> Unit193: I tried to verify connecting to the https site but 404
1289 [12:08:23] <xevilstar> tried that checkverify and nada
1290 [12:08:27] <Unit193> Yeah, but your account is verified now (/msg NickServ info xevilstar)
1291 [12:08:29] <xevilstar> will try again now
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1293 [12:09:17] <xevilstar> oki works now
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1296 [12:10:19] <xevilstar> thanks
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1299 [12:13:08] <r1nt3c> clear
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1318 [12:28:47] <melpy> TwT
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1325 [12:31:10] <Lope> do unix domain sockets have any MTU?
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1330 [12:33:25] <Greyztar> hello, im wondering is it possible to get continuously output from ps command? Im trying this sort of ps aux | grep program | tail -f but obviously doesnt work,is there another way?
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1332 [12:33:51] <Lope> Solved. /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max
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1335 [12:37:14] <humpled> Greyztar $ watch <command>
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1337 [12:38:10] <Greyztar> humpled, nice one exactly what i was looking for =)
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1339 [12:40:16] <humpled> yup i used to do all kinds of faff until i heard of that
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1351 [12:54:26] <melpy> milkt: =w=
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1365 [13:04:54] <uio> Hi. I noticed over the past few days that my default firefox search had been switched to Google. Why is this?
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1373 [13:07:59] <kreyren> anyone figured out how to nuke systemd from debian buster (minimall install)
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1378 [13:10:42] <kreyren> getting this err replaced-url
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1380 [13:11:21] <Habbie> that's a pretty clear error
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1385 [13:12:35] <Habbie> kreyren, i haven't tried it, but perhaps installing sysvinit-core will help
1386 [13:12:38] <uptime> uio: Probably more a thing you'd want to take up with firefox's support rather than (#)debian's.
1387 [13:13:25] <kreyren> Habbie: core and utils of sysvinit already installed
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1389 [13:13:40] <kreyren> uptime: what
1390 [13:13:59] <themill> kreyren: that's not what the error message says
1391 [13:14:10] <uptime> kreyren: "what" what?
1392 [13:14:22] <Habbie> update-alternatives perhaps?
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1395 [13:15:32] <kreyren> themill: replaced-url
1396 [13:15:52] <kreyren> uptime: assuing it was on me.. asking firefox for openrc support?
1397 [13:16:17] <themill> kreyren: please read the error message.
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1399 [13:16:37] <kreyren> how do i switch to it then
1400 [13:16:40] <uptime> kreyren: my comment was directed at another user, not you, sorry
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1402 [13:16:56] <kreyren> uptime: np, mb
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1405 [13:19:34] <kreyren> themill: do i just reboot after i apted openrc package and invoked requested script in installer?
1406 [13:20:46] <kreyren> or using upstart?
1407 [13:21:02] <kreyren> based on replaced-url
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1410 [13:21:57] * kreyren yolo reboot
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1414 [13:23:56] <uio> uptime, But, as far as I know, Debian packages an older version of FF.
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1417 [13:25:20] <uio> uptime, Debian FF does come with a Debian Package search option, which must be from Debian. So it would appear that Debian does alter some things from the original FF.
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1427 [13:29:59] <kreyren> yolo reboot failed
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1448 [13:47:47] <uio> Has anyone else had this same FF issue where the search engine default has changed?
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1450 [13:48:05] <kreyren> I broke my xorg.. Need help: replaced-url
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1455 [13:51:18] <kopper> kreyren: What did you do to break it?
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1459 [13:51:52] <kreyren> kopper: followed instructions to install openrc
1460 [13:52:08] <diogenes_> kreyren, at the end of the log it says: Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at replaced-url
1461 [13:52:20] <kreyren> diogenes_: did that didn't help
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1463 [13:52:45] <kreyren> seems to be missing debian dep
1464 [13:52:51] <kreyren> that was provided by systemd
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1466 [13:53:42] <kreyren> xorg 1:7.7+19 is installed
1467 [13:54:07] <kreyren> ix.io/1KNQ list of installed pck
1468 [13:54:28] <Habbie> kreyren, you do understand that debian without systemd is not a supported configuration?
1469 [13:54:45] <kreyren> Habbie: why not it has official package + wiki
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1471 [13:54:52] <kreyren> + #debian-next is down
1472 [13:55:04] <Habbie> down?
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1474 [13:55:16] <kreyren> yep can't log in outputs unable to connect
1475 [13:55:25] <Habbie> there are 178 people in it
1476 [13:55:27] <Habbie> it is not down
1477 [13:55:29] <kreyren> what
1478 [13:55:30] <kreyren> checking
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1481 [13:55:51] <kreyren> what is the server for #debian-next?
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1483 [13:56:25] <kreyren> oftc.net ?
1484 [13:56:31] <jelly> Habbie: debian with sysvinit as /sbin/init is still a supported configuration
1485 [13:56:39] <Habbie> jelly, kreyren installed openrc
1486 [13:56:42] <Habbie> replaced-url
1487 [13:56:48] <kreyren> including sysvinit
1488 [13:56:53] <kreyren> core + utils
1489 [13:57:00] <kreyren> since thats what openrc provides on debian
1490 [13:57:02] <Habbie> jelly, ah i reread what i said, yes, that was inaccurate
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1493 [13:57:15] <jelly> update-rc.d has some support for openrc
1494 [13:57:43] <kreyren> mb debian-next works i had wrong server o.o
1495 [13:58:04] <jelly> but the further you go from the well established defaults, more bugs you're going to find, of course
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1503 [13:59:52] <kreyren> like openrc works no issue on exherbo and gentoo for me.. rather downstream needs to update deps for debian..
1504 [14:01:49] <oiaohm> jelly: also going back to sysvinit means running into the bugs that systemd fixes as well.
1505 [14:02:01] <kreyren> bugs alike
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1509 [14:03:25] <oiaohm> kreyren: systemd cgroups detect process leak events. So when you stop a service in systemd you in fact stop all of it. Where in sysvinit something can be left running this results in time not being able to restart particular services simply.
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1514 [14:07:44] <kreyren> oiaohm: reference?
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1516 [14:08:24] <kreyren> also cgroup are part of SElinux right? i'm not using that NSA thing..
1517 [14:08:43] <oiaohm> kreyren: cgroup is not apart of Selinux.
1518 [14:09:12] <themill> tinfoil is rarely helpful to configuring Debian.
1519 [14:09:59] <oiaohm> kreyren: replaced-url
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1521 [14:10:56] <Resilience> oiaohm, what is a "process leak event"?
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1523 [14:11:22] <kreyren> checking
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1525 [14:12:19] <uio> Tinfoil isn't helpful, but sarcasm is.
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1527 [14:13:12] <kreyren> mb then o.o
1528 [14:15:49] <oiaohm> Resilience: It a name I have given to a particular annoyance. Something I use to run into with cups and servivces. Where you tell it to restart under sysvinit and it would fail because some resource that was required was still held by some process that had been spawned.
1529 [14:16:17] <oiaohm> Resilience: basically a process excaped the stop part of the sysvinit script.
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1532 [14:17:16] <oiaohm> Resilience: this could also turn into a form of memory leak when you had restarted a service many times as well from the lost processes.
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1534 [14:18:26] <Resilience> oiaohm, I would noto xcall it a leak, becuase the process isnot leaking memory, but I understand what you mean
1535 [14:19:02] <Habbie> it is commonly called a leak
1536 [14:19:04] <Habbie> not only memory can leak
1537 [14:19:10] <Habbie> some bugs leak file descriptors
1538 [14:19:28] <oiaohm> this form of bug leaks processes.
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1540 [14:20:00] <oiaohm> I hope openrc cgroup functionality will stop this pest as well.
1541 [14:20:07] <oiaohm> In time.
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1557 [14:31:09] <EdePopede> if i want to mount an USB hdd by mountpoint, but this HDD isn't attached, why is the DVD accessed?
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1564 [14:35:14] <psicobra> hi guys any ideas how i can change the default mount point for an external drive
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1567 [14:35:37] <towo^work> write it in fstab
1568 [14:35:45] <towo^work> or create an udev-rule
1569 [14:36:10] <psicobra> towo^work, i tried that but i must have got something wrong and it stopped booting
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1571 [14:36:29] <towo^work> you have to use noauto as option in fstab
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1577 [14:40:30] <melpy> T_T
1578 [14:41:25] <psicobra> towo^work, does this look right replaced-url
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1590 [14:43:29] <psicobra> don't want to save incise it doesn't boot again
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1593 [14:43:46] <psicobra> in case
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1630 [14:50:36] <kinky_nekoboi> hello
1631 [14:51:05] <kinky_nekoboi> the kernel hang i described today also hapends with the stretch-backports kernel linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64
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1696 [15:18:19] <uio> Is hiddenwasp a concern for Debian?
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1700 [15:19:21] <greycat> Is there a CVE? Is there a DSA?
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1702 [15:19:54] <Habbie> it's a malware toolkit
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1704 [15:19:56] <Habbie> not a vulnerability
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1715 [15:21:41] <uio> Habbie, I read briefly about linux computers being affected...
1716 [15:21:49] <Habbie> uio, yes, it is a rootkit for linux
1717 [15:22:02] <Habbie> uio, which somebody could deploy on your system -once they have gotten access-
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1720 [15:22:36] <uio> Habbie, So, there'd have to be a different security issue?
1721 [15:22:48] <uio> Habbie, And then they could set it up on the machine?
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1723 [15:23:05] <Greyztar> hello, is there a way to redirect errors to a file ,only that if its no error no file will be created?
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1726 [15:23:28] <greycat> Greyztar: no. The shell cannot predict the future. The best you can do is remove the empty file afterward.
1727 [15:23:32] <Habbie> uio, yes
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1729 [15:23:54] <Greyztar> greycat, alright thanks!
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1735 [15:25:11] <wwilliam> Hello where are the all users alias located?
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1737 [15:25:14] <uio> Habbie, Okay, so I guess security problems cause more security problems. Thanks!
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1739 [15:25:35] <greycat> wwilliam: the what?
1740 [15:26:19] <wwilliam> aliases like cp=cp -i
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1742 [15:26:47] <greycat> some might be in /etc/skel/.bashrc, some might be in /etc/bash.bashrc
1743 [15:26:57] <wwilliam> Thanks greycat
1744 [15:27:07] <Enissay> I forgot my root psw, but from my user account I can do "sudo passwd root" and update it. However, when I try to open a root session, I keep getting "Access denied" !
1745 [15:27:18] <greycat> the files in /etc/skel/ get copied into new user home directories if you create the users with adduser
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1748 [15:27:45] <greycat> Enissay: how are you trying to "open a root session"?
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1772 [15:35:59] <Enissay> Okay, I'm MobaXterm to open these SSH session on my raspberry. First I connect via SSH to my user, then "sudo -i" then "sudo passwd root"... When again I try to open an SSH session with root user, I get the "Access denied"
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1775 [15:36:06] <Enissay> greycat: ^
1776 [15:36:09] <spectral`> hello
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1778 [15:36:27] <greycat> so the failure happens when you try to ssh in directly as root? that probably means your sshd_config is configured not to allow direct root logins.
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1781 [15:36:47] <greycat> grep PermitRoot /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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1792 [15:39:38] <spectral`> I'm trying to upgrade to Buster. I did remove the defaultrelease file and the only lines left in my sources.list are "deb replaced-url
1793 [15:40:01] <spectral`> (actually no error shows up at all)
1794 [15:40:02] <greycat> comment out the security.debian.org line for now, and remove the comment when buster is released
1795 [15:40:07] <Enissay> greycat: replaced-url
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1797 [15:40:22] <dvs> spectral`, apt dist-upgrade?
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1800 [15:41:32] <greycat> Enissay: (1) raspbian support it in the raspbian channel; (2) no PermitRoot means you're using whatever the default is; read sshd_config(5) to find out what that is
1801 [15:41:47] <spectral`> I commented security upgrades, but I still have no upgradable packages. (I did use both update, upgrade and dist-upgrade)
1802 [15:41:58] <spectral`> I'm rebooting in case it needs to reload something
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1810 [15:44:37] <spectral`> could pinning.ref be the cause? grep shows it has a line "Pin: release a=stable"
1811 [15:44:56] <greycat> you were mixing releases before? ugh.
1812 [15:45:15] <spectral`> I was? I only used stretch, and backports
1813 [15:45:32] <spectral`> or backports counts as mixing
1814 [15:45:46] <greycat> no, it doesn't, but you shouldn't have to touch pinning for that
1815 [15:45:48] <Enissay> greycat: Thanks, will try there
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1818 [15:47:35] <EdePopede> is there a better solution to columnate output of multiple commands? with `(foo;bar)|column` it truncates after half of the lines, while i'd need something like `<td>foo</td><td>bar</td>` were it doesn't spread output of one command over multiple columns
1819 [15:47:53] <spectral`> well, after removing the pinning I have 2426 packages showing up in update
1820 [15:47:56] <spectral`> problem solved
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1822 [15:49:11] <greycat> EdePopede: exec 3< <(foo) 4< <(bar); while IFS= read -ru3 foo || IFS= read -ru4 bar; do printf '<td>%s</td><td>%s</td>\n' "$foo" "$bar"; done; exec 3<&- 4<&-
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1824 [15:49:52] <greycat> of course you're on your own if the contents of the streams contain < > & chars
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1830 [15:51:38] <EdePopede> greycat: i'm still trying to get through all these redirections, but... erm. this html was just to demonstrate how the layout should be, i don't really want html. only a real clean table output. just like... output of foo on the left, output of bar on the right.
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1833 [15:52:32] <EdePopede> though piping to w3m or so would maybe work, but this sounds like overkill
1834 [15:52:35] <greycat> EdePopede: exec 3< <(foo) 4< <(bar); while IFS= read -ru3 foo || IFS= read -ru4 bar; do printf '%-40s%-40s\n' "$foo" "$bar"; done; exec 3<&- 4<&-
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1838 [15:56:51] <tw> did not know you could set env vars in only the subcommand part of the while loop. That's really handy.
1839 [15:57:53] <greycat> And in case it wasn't obvious, the scripts I wrote just now use bash features, so you need to run them with #!/bin/bash and not #!/bin/sh
1840 [15:58:32] <tw> should also work in zsh, though I haven't tried it.
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1843 [15:58:55] <greycat> specifically the process substitions <(foo) and the read -uN flag
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1845 [16:00:04] <EdePopede> greycat: a good start. problem is only that the 2nd column starts in the line after the 1st one unluckily. seems that my first idea wasn't that bad: count lines for the last printed column, go up that many lines and instead spaces move the cursor to the right for each line. going to play a bit with ANSI Escapes :)
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1847 [16:00:53] <greycat> is your terminal less than 80 characters wide?
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1849 [16:02:12] <greycat> you can change the second %-40s to %s to avoid the space padding on the second column
1850 [16:02:29] <jelly> tw: I honestly do not know anyone writing zsh scripts (and I won't admit to it)
1851 [16:02:38] <EdePopede> more, that's the thing. i want to show infos i did with conky, but i don't feel like setting it up again while waiting for buster. so i thought i'd give it a screen window of my fullscreen terminal. 212 columns in fact, that's a nice playground.
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1853 [16:03:18] <greycat> if you want to measure the width ($COLUMNS or tput ...) and divide by two, you can do that
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1856 [16:04:30] <EdePopede> greycat: no, the issue is that for the 2nd column your script doesn't return to line 1. it continues at line 25 or whatever depending on the length of the 1st column
1857 [16:05:03] <EdePopede> oh wait, multitail...? iirc it has curses and multiple windows
1858 [16:05:11] <tw> jelly: I try to maintain my no-bash policy as much as is reasonable. A petty result of the shellshock ssh exploit, but since I started, I've just kept up the practice.
1859 [16:05:28] <greycat> EdePopede: did you forget the \n in the printf?
1860 [16:06:08] <EdePopede> nope, copypaste and only replaced the commands in the exec statement
1861 [16:06:44] <EdePopede> or do i also have to do it in the while?
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1863 [16:07:30] <greycat> EdePopede: damn it. let's try...
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1865 [16:07:54] <greycat> exec 3< <(seq 3 5) 4< <(seq 111 115); while IFS= read -ru3 foo; IFS= read -ru4 bar; [[ $foo || $bar ]]; do printf '%-40s%-40s\n' "$foo" "$bar"; done; exec 3<&- 4<&-
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1868 [16:08:39] <EdePopede> i wish column had such an option to not only know about a column divider character, but also about a line divider to make columnating long texts more flexible
1869 [16:09:06] <EdePopede> yip. great. thanks.
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1872 [16:09:44] <EdePopede> that's why i love the shell :)
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1874 [16:10:06] <greycat> it's good at some things
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1876 [16:10:23] <Nocao> VERIFY REGISTER Nocao vkbzetuogqzq
1877 [16:10:24] <tw> I feel like `paste <(seq 3 5) <(seq 111 115)` would do a similar thing w/o all the reading.
1878 [16:10:47] <greycat> tw: his original question said he wanted HTML, so I wrote that
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1880 [16:10:51] <greycat> then he changed it
1881 [16:10:52] <tw> makes sense.
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1883 [16:11:06] <tw> Taught me something too, so I'm glad of it.
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1888 [16:17:48] <EdePopede> tw: indeed. looked yesterday through the coreutils list and didn't find it. don't ask, i don't have an answer either ;)
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1890 [16:18:22] <EdePopede> but still good to have an alternative. and a nifty bash oneliner
1891 [16:19:46] <greycat> a while back in #bash we tried to figure out what the hell the purpose of column(1) is, and it wasn't clear to anyone
1892 [16:20:15] <greycat> it seems to be two programs merged together into one, but neither one had a clearly defined input case or goal
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1895 [16:21:03] <EdePopede> i only used it to columnate lines lke a:b:c so far, with -t -s: or what the options are (gnu uses different ones in different commands :/)
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1898 [16:21:37] <greycat> "column -t" does a thing, and "column" without -t does another thing, but neither of those things is obviously useful
1899 [16:21:49] <greycat> or at least, none of us at the time could figure it out
1900 [16:23:12] <EdePopede> i thing i used it (as an example) as part of the process of filtering and outlaying (is this even a word?) the output of sensors
1901 [16:23:22] <EdePopede> s/thing/think/
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1903 [16:23:42] <tw> I could find a use for column sans -t. In the same way ls automatically generates columns from output.
1904 [16:24:06] <EdePopede> and things like password files, a common delimiter throughout the whole thing being really helpful
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1975 [17:16:35] <velix> apt search fast-food
1976 [17:16:39] <velix> apt install kebap
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1978 [17:18:19] <EdePopede> velix, be careful. kebap depends on hot and everything ;)
1979 [17:18:39] <velix> EdePopede: chicken not found :(
1980 [17:19:01] <EdePopede> velix: add the Wienerwald repo ;)
1981 [17:20:17] <mason> kebap?
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1983 [17:20:29] <mason> variant of kebab?
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1985 [17:22:03] <EdePopede> mason: german wikipedia has it as alternative, turkish starts with "Döner ya da döner kebap". one should be a transitional package.
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1987 [17:22:31] <mason> heh
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1992 [17:24:14] <mason> Oh, wow. I never new the etymology here: replaced-url
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1994 [17:25:08] <EdePopede> #debian-offtopic you mean?
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1996 [17:25:40] <mason> Likely, yes.
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2001 [17:30:47] <kalipso> hey guys. i have trouble setting up dnsmasq. i use it as dns and dhcp. the problem is that it is giving out ipv6 nameservers which ignore my local domains. is there a way to prevent that?
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2003 [17:31:30] <kalipso> maybe i have to configure something in ip6tables?
2004 [17:32:09] <Dagger> ip6tables isn't going to affect which DNS servers dnsmasq hands out
2005 [17:32:21] <jelly> kalipso: what do you mean ignore, did you tell dnsmasq to forward queries for your private domains to your own auth servers?
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2007 [17:32:42] <Dagger> the right answer is to configure it to give out the servers you want to use instead of ones you don't want to use, but I don't know how to do that with dnsmasq
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2009 [17:33:18] <jelly> Dagger: dnsmasq puts itself in resolv.conf, and forwards or responds authoritatively based on config
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2019 [17:37:19] <kalipso> jelly: i configured a local domain "local=/foo.bar/". when connecting via dhcp i get an ip and to nameservers in resolv.conf. the first one is the ipv4 addr of the host running dnsmasq and the second one is an ipv6 addr which looks like it represents the whole subnet. if i use the ipv4 nameserver the local domains are resolved correctly, if i use the ipv6 nameserver it does not
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2024 [17:38:47] <kalipso> jelly: stretch
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2026 [17:39:04] <jelly> kalipso: is "foo.bar" the actual domain name you're using?
2027 [17:39:24] <kalipso> jelly: no :D
2028 [17:39:42] <jelly> the real value wouldn't by any chance end with .local would it?
2029 [17:39:48] <kalipso> no
2030 [17:40:00] <jelly> okay
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2034 [17:41:54] <kalipso> on my laptop everything is fine. the problem is that windows and android devices prever the ipv6 addr which prevents them from finding the local host
2035 [17:41:58] <tds> kalipso: what's the ipv6 address exactly? I think dnsmasq in certain configs can hand out its own link local address with rdnss options in RAs?
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2037 [17:42:50] <kalipso> tds: its like: "1111:2222:3333::1"
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2039 [17:43:24] <kalipso> thats why i think it represents a subnet. iam not rly into ipv6
2040 [17:43:30] <tds> and that address isn't bound on the box running dnsmasq? are you sure it's coming from dnsmasq in the first place?
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2042 [17:43:48] <tds> ::1 in a subnet is often a router, sounds like your router might be sending RAs with its own address as an rdnss option
2043 [17:44:10] <Dagger> that represents the subnet as much as 192.168.1.1 represents a v4 subnet (i.e. not at all; it's probably your router)
2044 [17:44:19] <Dagger> and my gut says the v6 address is probably coming from your router via RDNSS, in which case you'd need to do the reconfiguring on the router
2045 [17:44:55] <tds> `rdisc6 eth0` will tell you what's actually sending RAs, on debiany things you want the ndisc6 package
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2049 [17:45:40] <kalipso> tds: okay. so i have no router, the router is a debian machine which also runs dnsmasq
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2051 [17:45:49] <kalipso> how would i prevent to send rdnss
2052 [17:46:03] <tds> I'd run that command to check if it's actually coming from RDNSS options in RAs first
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2058 [17:46:49] <Dagger> so what machine is 1111:2222:3333::1?
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2060 [17:47:04] <kalipso> tds: gimme a sec
2061 [17:47:09] <tds> ^^ what Dagger said
2062 [17:48:12] <kalipso> i get "Sending ICMPv6 packet: Operation not permitted"
2063 [17:48:15] <kalipso> as full root
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2065 [17:48:55] <kalipso> iam dropping INPUT and OUTPUT in ip6tables for debugging
2066 [17:48:56] <Lady_Aleena> Before I do the dist-upgrade, I believe I was told to NOT be in my de while doing that. So, how do I get out of my de and get a command prompt and log in as root?
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2068 [17:49:33] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: log out, then Ctrl-Alt-F2
2069 [17:49:36] <tds> yeah, those drop rules would break it, if you really want to test without removing the drop rules you could just tcpdump for icmp6 on the interface
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2071 [17:50:29] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: if your dist-upgrade is also a release upgrade, consider running it inside screen or tmux.
2072 [17:50:53] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, what are those?
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2075 [17:51:17] <jelly> !screen
2076 [17:51:17] <dpkg> screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. See replaced-url
2077 [17:52:09] <kalipso> tds: ok i ACCEPT INPUT and OUTPUT now. i get some output, there is a line "recursive dns server " followed by the ipv6 address i get in resolv.conf
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2080 [17:52:32] <tds> ok, sounds like that is where it's coming from then, so what's the source of that RA?
2081 [17:52:37] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: both allow logging of output which is helpful when something goes wonky
2082 [17:52:43] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, this made it even more complicated.
2083 [17:52:48] <jelly> yes.
2084 [17:52:49] <dvs> yup
2085 [17:52:59] <kalipso> iam starting to think that one of the openwrt access points is handling out that address. because i DROPED ipv6 on the dnsmasq host and still got that ipv6 nameserver
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2087 [17:53:10] <greycat> the release notes suggest using script(1) to log the session
2088 [17:53:29] <tds> kalipso: rdisc6 should include the source mac, you can hunt it down from there
2089 [17:53:33] <jelly> I... run script -a ... inside screen.
2090 [17:53:39] <Lady_Aleena> I was just going to change my sources.list, apt-get update, then log out, ctrl-alt-F2, log in as root and run the dist-upgrade. Now there are additional steps?
2091 [17:54:02] <dvs> that's fine
2092 [17:54:17] <jelly> greycat: ubuntu's do-release-upgrade script does all that and ALSO starts a separate sshd on a different port
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2094 [17:54:36] <Lady_Aleena> This is why I haven't upgraded from jessie yet. I don't know what the proper set up steps are.
2095 [17:54:38] <jelly> (they're covering as many bases as sanely possible)
2096 [17:54:41] <themill> Lady_Aleena: you know how you keep ignoring the release notes because it has additional steps in there?
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2098 [17:55:08] <Lady_Aleena> themill, I read the upgrade guide several times, it is filled with too much technobabble.
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2100 [17:55:17] <Lady_Aleena> I can't understand half of it.
2101 [17:55:25] <themill> you mean the extra steps that you're now saying you don't know about
2102 [17:56:03] <Lady_Aleena> I read something about logging, but I didn't understand it.
2103 [17:56:24] <jelly> maybe ask us about the specific things you don't understand?
2104 [17:56:34] <Lady_Aleena> I didn't see anything about using screen, unless I missed it in the upgrade thing.
2105 [17:57:00] <greycat> screen/tmux was jelly's personal suggestion, not part of the release notes AFAIK
2106 [17:57:00] <themill> « In order to gain extra safety margin when upgrading remotely, we suggest that you run upgrade processes in the virtual console provided by the screen program, which enables safe reconnection and ensures the upgrade process is not interrupted even if the remote connection process fails.»
2107 [17:57:10] <kalipso> tds: with the MAC and some nmap scan i was able to find the AP. thanks a lot u saved my day, i was close to getting insane :)
2108 [17:57:33] <greycat> ah, the "remotely" clause. right, I forgot that...
2109 [17:57:39] * jelly .o O.O
2110 [17:57:59] <tds> kalipso: depending on what switches you're using, you may want to enable "RA guard" or a similar feature to drop RAs from ports that don't have routers behind them :)
2111 [17:58:07] * jelly did not know the release notes told about screen either
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2113 [17:59:10] <kalipso> tds: i will look into that
2114 [18:01:42] <Lady_Aleena> For example, section "4.1.4. Prepare for recovery" seems to be talking about what could go wrong AFTER the upgrade, am I correct? If so, why isn't it at the end of the document?
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2116 [18:02:50] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: the word 'Prepare' kinda says it all.
2117 [18:03:15] <themill> It's hard to prepare for disaster recovery after the disaster.
2118 [18:03:50] <dvs> "For this reason it makes sense to ensure that you will be able to recover if your system should fail to reboot or, for remotely managed systems, fail to bring up networking. "
2119 [18:04:13] <dvs> that says it all.
2120 [18:04:55] <Lady_Aleena> What is an initrds?
2121 [18:05:05] <greycat> the plural of initrd, which is an initial ram disk
2122 [18:05:07] <Lady_Aleena> From section 4.1.4.1
2123 [18:05:27] <greycat> Debian kernel images use an initrd to boot. Those live in /boot.
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2126 [18:06:11] <greycat> Each Debian kernel you've installed has 3 files in /boot: vmlinuz (the kernel itself), initrd.img (the initial ram disk image), and config (a text file showing the configuration options)
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2141 [18:14:33] <Lady_Aleena> I'm not trying to find a page that tells me how to make a live CD just in case. This may take a while.
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2143 [18:15:05] <greycat> !live
2144 [18:15:05] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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2159 [18:21:39] <Lady_Aleena> Which file do I want from replaced-url
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2163 [18:22:04] <jelly> whichever you prefer?
2164 [18:22:12] <EdePopede> favorite DE?
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2168 [18:22:25] <EdePopede> (you still can install another one later)
2169 [18:22:56] <jelly> EdePopede: this is only for recovery purposes, their goal is jessie->stretch
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2171 [18:23:15] <EdePopede> ah right
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2173 [18:24:03] <Lady_Aleena> So the KDE iso then, since I use KDE right?
2174 [18:24:23] <dvs> sure
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2176 [18:26:23] <jelly> collect them all!
2177 [18:26:37] <jelly> a set of 7 usb sticks!
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2181 [18:27:51] <jelly> if your hardware requires non-free firmware to get network access, consider using an unofficial live image with firmware
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2183 [18:28:07] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I'm using CDs, I don't have any usb sticks.
2184 [18:28:27] <Lady_Aleena> And I am running out of CDs.
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2186 [18:28:53] <jelly> well next time maybe get a couple cheap 8GB sticks
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2188 [18:29:15] <jelly> they can be overwritten a hundred times with different images
2189 [18:29:36] <Lady_Aleena> Now, that I have the iso, I've opened up K3b, but I can't remember the steps for making the cd.
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2191 [18:30:19] <dvs> Tools | Burn Image...
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2193 [18:32:44] <Lady_Aleena> Burning now...this will take a while.
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2204 [18:36:36] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: on the long run sticks are far better than CDs, which i'd use only when really needed. even for backup purposes a HD is cheaper nowadays.
2205 [18:36:37] <Lady_Aleena> I don't think I have any firmware that needed something from non-free to get it to work.
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2208 [18:37:06] <Lady_Aleena> EdePopede, my last USB stick died on me. I can't access the files on it.
2209 [18:37:29] <Lady_Aleena> And it was my good 64GB usb stick.
2210 [18:37:34] <EdePopede> ouch
2211 [18:37:53] <Lady_Aleena> Yep, the thing won't mount.
2212 [18:37:57] <EdePopede> never spent too much for them, even bought one in a discounter. and 32GB was my limit so far.
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2214 [18:38:22] <EdePopede> did you try to dd it? maybe just a software problem
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2216 [18:38:50] <jhutchins_wk1> Anything you have only on a flash drive you don't really have. Shrodinger's files.
2217 [18:38:55] <Lady_Aleena> I can't remember all the steps I took to recover it, it was a while ago. I have two back up hard drives in my computer, so I rsync things to them.
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2220 [18:39:26] <jhutchins_wk1> I built a system a few years ago with a hotplug SATA bay and five rotating backup drives.
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2223 [18:39:57] <EdePopede> what about SDD? aren't they flash after all?
2224 [18:39:59] <Lady_Aleena> So, my boot disk is complete, I hope.
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2227 [18:40:50] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: you could read it back and check if you think you'll feel better about it. or simply try to boot from it
2228 [18:42:06] <jhutchins_wk1> EdePopede: From what I've seen, SSDs started out slightly more reliable than USB sticks and have continuously improved.
2229 [18:42:39] <jhutchins_wk1> EdePopede: We now have enterprise storage systems with multiple terabytes. They're raid of course, but not a high failure rate.
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2232 [18:44:41] <EdePopede> so maybe i should really think of one for the system. would it be advisable to also put the swap to it?
2233 [18:45:34] <jhutchins_wk1> EdePopede: In as much as you don't want to be using swap except in "emergencies", it's ok to put it on SSD.
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2237 [18:46:17] <Lady_Aleena> So, with this disk, I could install Stretch if the dist-upgrade fails, right?
2238 [18:46:35] <EdePopede> jhutchins: xfce on both machines, this one is for daily usage, 2GB RAM only, the other ones with 4GB runs smoother even with a live stick :D
2239 [18:46:50] <dvs> yes
2240 [18:46:50] <noahmg123> Is there any command I can pipe some text into that will parse ascii escape codes (like \040 becomes a space)?
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2243 [18:47:42] <pie3> how CPU communicates with various controllers?
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2247 [18:48:11] <greycat> is \ooo the only type of escape sequence you need to expand?
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2249 [18:48:24] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: the idea is to have a stepping point to fix things if you end up with an unbootable or otherwise broken system during the release upgrade
2250 [18:48:35] <Lady_Aleena> So, sections 4.1.4.1 and 4.1.4.2 are to be used to figure out what went wrong on my system if dist-upgrade doesn't work as expected?
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2252 [18:49:26] <noahmg123> greycat: yeah that's it. my .mysql_history file somehow got corrupted with them.
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2254 [18:49:57] <greycat> noahmg123: if it's a small to medium amount of text, printf %b "$(< your file)"
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2256 [18:50:12] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, that's correct
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2260 [18:53:09] <jhutchins_wk> What automation/scripting is available to manage bind dns?
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2262 [18:54:02] <nkuttler> jhutchins_wk: hm, what do you want to automate?
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2265 [18:55:15] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: /usr/sbin/rndc
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2268 [18:55:39] <Lady_Aleena> Running aptitude by itself is pretty intense.
2269 [18:56:02] * Lady_Aleena is going through the results of aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)' again, and all the same packages are listed from the last time.
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2271 [18:57:11] <Lady_Aleena> It seems that it doesn't like my printer driver, discord, ffmpeg, something from geany, and my preferred terminal emulator.
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2273 [18:58:23] <blacksoul> Hello everyone
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2275 [18:59:19] <blacksoul> I was installed teamviewer on my pc but not working with waysland.Can anyone solve it?
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2277 [19:00:11] <jelly> don't run wayland, run a session with X ?
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2281 [19:02:28] <blacksoul> i am using gnome bro
2282 [19:02:36] <blacksoul> how to run with X?
2283 [19:02:40] <Lady_Aleena> I just messed up bad with aptitude. I will be gone for a while. It just uninstalled KDE.
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2285 [19:02:55] <Lady_Aleena> I think it is killing my system.
2286 [19:03:08] <Lady_Aleena> It is removing everything.
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2288 [19:03:20] <greycat> blacksoul: I've been told that somewhere on the login screen there is a widget that lets you select "GNOME with X" instead of "GNOME with Wayland"
2289 [19:03:22] <blacksoul> Running with gdm3 bro
2290 [19:03:42] <blacksoul> Yes i see bro
2291 [19:03:46] <blacksoul> Thanks for suggest
2292 [19:03:55] <Lady_Aleena> It looks like I'm not running dist-upgrade, but doing a fresh install from the disk I just made.
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2294 [19:04:30] <Lady_Aleena> If I close anything right now, I am sol.
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2296 [19:04:44] <annadane> you don't have to accept aptitude's suggestion, you can cycle between them...
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2298 [19:05:08] <annadane> look at what the output tells you before pressing y for updates
2299 [19:05:15] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, you booted of the live disk to do the upgrade
2300 [19:05:19] <dvs> ?
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2304 [19:07:06] <Lady_Aleena> Not yet, I was following the directions on the upgrade page that said " To perform this review, launch aptitude in full-terminal mode and press g (“Go”). If it shows any actions, you should review them and either fix them or implement the suggested actions. If no actions are suggested you will be presented with a message saying “No packages are scheduled to be installed, removed, or upgraded”."
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2307 [19:07:36] <greycat> I don't think *anyone* ever follows all those steps.
2308 [19:07:43] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: which upgrade page is that
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2310 [19:08:00] <dvs> jelly, section 4.2.1
2311 [19:08:08] <dvs> release notes for stretch
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2313 [19:08:21] <Lady_Aleena> I pressed g, and it did this so far: replaced-url
2314 [19:08:57] <Lady_Aleena> I was following on screen instructions from aptitude. I messed up.
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2318 [19:09:43] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: you pressed g twice, probably
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2320 [19:09:51] <dvs> So it looks like kde was scheduled to be removed but it wasn't actually run (yet).
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2322 [19:10:11] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: if you want kde to be installed, install task-kde-desktop back.
2323 [19:10:32] <Lady_Aleena> I hope I can jelly. I haven't pressed return after that last thing.
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2327 [19:12:46] <noahmg123> greycat: thank you, I will try that
2328 [19:13:49] <Lady_Aleena> This is why I wish there were an upgrade package I could install and run that would do what needs to be done without the complicated instructions that lead me to do stupid crap like this.
2329 [19:14:40] <dvs> There would be no way to make one upgrade package that would work for everyone.
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2331 [19:15:19] <greycat> "edit sources.list, apt update, apt upgrade, apt full-upgrade" should work for about 95% of cases
2332 [19:15:29] <greycat> the dozens of pages of what-ifs are for the other 5%
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2335 [19:16:15] <noahmg123> greycat: ok it works, but now there are no line breaks
2336 [19:16:41] <greycat> noahmg123: you're sure you remembered the double quotes around "$(< file)" ?
2337 [19:17:16] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, that was what I was going to do over an hour ago, but logging and other things were mentioned, so I went through the list on the upgrade page set by step this time, and I made a mess.
2338 [19:17:35] <noahmg123> I forgot whoops
2339 [19:17:40] <noahmg123> Thanks, it works now
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2341 [19:18:04] <jelly> dvs: ubuntu has one.
2342 [19:18:30] <jelly> they also have like 10% the amount of actually supported packages
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2344 [19:20:10] <jelly> and I think they force conf-new and do some other unsightly things to streamline the process
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2346 [19:20:42] <dvs> jelly, ugh.
2347 [19:21:42] <noahmg123> greycat: ok wait, the file keeps getting corrupted with those escape codes whenever I login to my databse
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2349 [19:22:19] <greycat> I can't help much with mysql issues
2350 [19:22:48] <noahmg123> Yeah, I just asked over in #mysql
2351 [19:23:04] <annadane> mysql support questions, thesequel.
2352 [19:25:02] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, aptitude install task-kde-desktop gets KDE back.
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2359 [19:27:12] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, I used apt-get install, I hope it worked.
2360 [19:27:24] <Lady_Aleena> I haven't rebooted yet, so I don't know.
2361 [19:27:40] <dvs> apt-get is fine too
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2363 [19:28:13] <Lady_Aleena> Right now, I'm trying to copy /etc to my home dir.
2364 [19:28:29] <Lady_Aleena> cp -r /etc/ myetc/ isn't working.
2365 [19:28:39] <jerry> r u root?
2366 [19:28:53] <Lady_Aleena> No, I will try that next.
2367 [19:29:43] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: many files in /etc are only readable by root. So you may want to put the backup somewhere else besies $HOME too, maybe /home/etc, or /home/backup/etc, this way you can preserve permissions, and not have it in your users $HOME.
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2377 [19:36:22] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, thank you.
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2380 [19:38:11] <Lady_Aleena> I got it copied and then rsynced to another drive.
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2386 [19:40:20] <Lady_Aleena> Do I just copy and paste the lines in section 4.4.1 to get a transcript, or do they need fiddling to be more specific to me?
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2391 [19:42:04] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, I think they want you do substitute the word "step" with the name of the actual step you're performing.
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2395 [19:42:46] <Lady_Aleena> Do you all do that part?
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2397 [19:43:25] <dvs> I don't
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2408 [19:50:06] <Lady_Aleena> Well, I am going to go with greycat's list of commands, and pray it works.
2409 [19:50:34] <han-solo> Who would you pray to ?
2410 [19:50:43] <dvs> ME!
2411 [19:50:55] <dvs> and a require pennance!
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2414 [19:51:24] <Lady_Aleena> I hope to see you on the other side, safe and sane.
2415 [19:51:56] <weedloser> one should only pray to the manuals
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2418 [19:52:45] <greycat> replaced-url
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2421 [19:53:03] <han-solo> Safe journey Ms. Lane
2422 [19:53:11] <han-solo> oh, she's gone :)
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2425 [19:53:44] <han-solo> greycat: who's that ?
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2428 [19:54:14] <greycat> Richard Stallman as St. Ignutius
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2433 [19:56:20] <han-solo> Oh, Society of Jesus
2434 [19:56:29] <melpy> what is going on here
2435 [19:57:32] <dvs> trouble!
2436 [19:57:39] <han-solo> We're waiting for Lady_Aleena to come back...
2437 [19:58:09] <dvs> IF she comes back. Muhahahaha! :-P
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2439 [19:58:31] <han-solo> one way or other. Either in rage or pure happiness
2440 [19:59:11] <pyfgcr> is replaced-url
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2445 [19:59:52] <guipan> Hi everybody!
2446 [20:00:32] <han-solo> pyfgcr: who's stopping you ?
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2448 [20:00:44] <han-solo> s/who/what/ # :)
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2450 [20:01:10] <pyfgcr> han-solo: I mean, is there any policy stating I shouldn't?
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2452 [20:01:50] <han-solo> pyfgcr: I'm also waiting for someone to comment :)
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2459 [20:06:20] <melpy> well the maintainer is formorer ask him lol
2460 [20:06:57] <melpy> away nevermind
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2467 [20:11:07] <yepla> hello
2468 [20:11:18] <yepla> i have a little question
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2472 [20:11:39] <yepla> i have create a raid1 with lvm for an hard drive
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2475 [20:11:54] <yepla> and i want automount it in /mnt/storage
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2479 [20:12:40] <yepla> and i would like know if i must set 0 or 2 in fstab for pass
2480 [20:12:42] <yepla> <pass> fsck reads the <pass> number and determines in which order the file systems should be checked. Possible entries are 0, 1, and 2. The root file system should have the highest priority, 1, all other file systems you want to have checked should get a 2. File systems with a <pass> value 0 will not be checked by the fsck utility.
2481 [20:12:52] <yepla> i dont understand quite well what is it ...
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2487 [20:13:57] <greycat> what part don't you understand?
2488 [20:14:20] <yepla> in fact i dont understand if it must be checked or not
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2490 [20:14:48] <teclo> Federighi said "let's descend into darkness"
2491 [20:15:02] <teclo> I thought he was gonna talk about W*ndows but no
2492 [20:15:07] <greycat> File systems get checked when you boot. That number in the fstab field controls the order. Root gets checked first. Everything else gets checked after that.
2493 [20:15:08] <teclo> it wasn't a metaphor, actually
2494 [20:15:26] <greycat> If it's not a file system (e.g. it's swap) then you put a 0 there, because it's not a file system, so it does not get checked.
2495 [20:15:46] <greycat> I don't know how I describe this any more clearly than the man page.
2496 [20:16:01] <yepla> so in fact i dont understand the world filesystems
2497 [20:16:17] <greycat> A file system is a thing that you can mount on a directory. It has files in it.
2498 [20:16:19] <yepla> filesystem mean file of the system
2499 [20:16:30] <greycat> A swap partition, by contrast, is not mounted, and does not contain files.
2500 [20:16:45] <yepla> my hard drive contain data
2501 [20:16:54] <yepla> but does it a filesystem ?
2502 [20:17:15] <mason> yepla: A filesystem is how your data is organized.
2503 [20:17:16] <greycat> Your hard drive contains (probably) one or more partitions. Each partition may have a file system in it, or may be used as swap, or may be used as raw database storage, or whatever.
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2505 [20:17:53] <greycat> The entries you see in "df" are file systems, even though some of them are virtual (do not have actual disk storage behind them).
2506 [20:17:54] <yepla> i still don t know if i must use 0 or 2
2507 [20:18:02] <sorko999> yepla if you don't want it checked, then put a 0 there... some examples: say it's a device that might not always be available (you remove it often) or you're using a FS type that doesn't require fsck'ing, you can put a zero there.
2508 [20:18:04] <greycat> If you're adding a new swap partiton, use 0.
2509 [20:18:11] <greycat> If you're adding a new file system, use 2.
2510 [20:18:49] <yepla> i m not using swap
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2513 [20:19:07] <greycat> What are you adding to fstab?
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2516 [20:19:43] <dvs> yepla, well, that's your answer: 2.
2517 [20:19:46] <yepla> actually i have add this: /dev/mapper/data--vg-storage /mnt/storage ext4 defaults 0 0
2518 [20:20:00] <greycat> ext4 is a file system type. This is a file system. Use 2.
2519 [20:20:03] <sorko999> you want a 2 there
2520 [20:20:12] <yepla> ok so i will set 2
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2523 [20:20:44] <yepla> i don t know if it s because i have set 0
2524 [20:20:49] <yepla> and reboot
2525 [20:20:59] <greycat> 0 means it isn't being checked at boot time, which could be bad in the long run
2526 [20:21:07] <yepla> but it created a folder lost+found
2527 [20:21:13] <greycat> that's normal
2528 [20:21:28] <yepla> ok
2529 [20:22:26] <yepla> so i will set 2
2530 [20:22:32] <yepla> other little question
2531 [20:22:37] <yepla> i have set defaults in fstab
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2533 [20:23:01] <yepla> only root can write on it ?
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2536 [20:23:22] <greycat> that's controlled by ownerships and permissions within the mounted file system, not fstab options
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2539 [20:24:23] <yepla> so if i want user write in it i must chmod 777 /mnt/storage ?
2540 [20:24:28] <greycat> !777
2541 [20:24:28] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>.
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2543 [20:24:55] <independent> chmod +rwx file
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2545 [20:25:25] <EdePopede> yepla: are you the only user?
2546 [20:25:39] <yepla> ??? actually when i try to write something in /mnt/storage with user i have permission problem
2547 [20:25:40] <greycat> The *simplest* answer would be to chown (change owner) the /mnt/storage directory to your user account, but leave the permissions alone (755 rwxr-wr-x)
2548 [20:26:10] <greycat> If you have more than one user account that needs access, then we can discuss more complicated answers.
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2550 [20:26:41] <greycat> damn, I screwed up that first sentence. 755 rwxr-xr-x
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2552 [20:27:03] <greycat> that's how most directories should be set, unless there is a specific reason to change them
2553 [20:27:26] * dvs gasps at greycat
2554 [20:27:29] <yepla> ok i have create storage in /mnt with root in 755
2555 [20:27:39] <greycat> that's AFTER it's mounted, right?
2556 [20:28:00] <yepla> pardon ?
2557 [20:28:00] <greycat> (or both, before AND after, would also be good at this point)
2558 [20:28:12] <greycat> is /mnt/storage mounted right now, or not?
2559 [20:28:17] <yepla> yes
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2561 [20:28:32] <greycat> OK, then chown youruser /mnt/storage
2562 [20:28:44] <yepla> i have first create with root /mnt/storage then mount it
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2565 [20:29:46] <yepla> ok so in fact if i chown youruser /mnt/storage before mounting hard drive it will be not validated ?
2566 [20:30:10] <yepla> i must first mount the chown to be ok ?
2567 [20:30:12] <greycat> the mounted file system's stuff will overwrite it
2568 [20:30:21] <greycat> overlay is perhaps a better word
2569 [20:30:25] <yepla> i must first mount then chown to be ok ?
2570 [20:30:28] <jerry> yepla /mnt/storage will be empty until you mount something there
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2572 [20:30:50] <yepla> jerry: yes i know
2573 [20:31:08] <jerry> so why chown an empty folder?
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2576 [20:32:48] <yepla> jerry: in my mind /mnt/storage was the main folder mounted or not who have the priority
2577 [20:33:15] <yepla> but like say greycat when you mount it s overlay
2578 [20:33:33] <yepla> and i wasn t know that
2579 [20:33:51] <jerry> yepla /mnt/storage is basically just a place holder until you actually mount it with somwething then you'd want chown if needed
2580 [20:34:08] <yepla> thanks guys for your time and your answer
2581 [20:34:13] <jerry> np
2582 [20:34:17] <yepla> now i must reboot ;)
2583 [20:34:29] <yepla> see you later
2584 [20:34:42] <jerry> latz
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2629 [21:15:01] <amed> hi, i have problems to transfer data from mi xiaomi mi a1 to mi laptop with debian 9.9, somebody?
2630 [21:15:13] <amed> problems with usb
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2632 [21:16:07] <Lady_Aleena> Hello again. The dist-upgrade did not work after the upgrade. Here is what I got back when trying to run dist-upgrade: replaced-url
2633 [21:16:09] <annadane> amed, describe your problems a bit more thoroughly and someone will answer
2634 [21:16:40] <avalchev> amed, check /var/log for some messages
2635 [21:16:50] <greycat> 1.0.1-1+deb8u1 is a jessie-backports package
2636 [21:17:41] <Lady_Aleena> So it did not upgrade with everything else.
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2638 [21:17:46] <amed> annadane: ok, it is the problem:When I connect my cell phone to the computer via USB, I can not transfer data; I have Debian 9.9
2639 [21:17:51] <greycat> what happens if you try to install rdnssd?
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2642 [21:19:06] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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2645 [21:20:13] <greycat> you *really* got into these backports, didn't you
2646 [21:20:23] <Lady_Aleena> I guess so.
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2650 [21:20:49] <greycat> I don't know nvidia stuff.
2651 [21:21:09] <annadane> amed, okay... any error messages? anything?
2652 [21:21:15] <annadane> how did you try to transfer?
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2655 [21:22:26] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, so am I screwed?
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2659 [21:22:55] <avalchev> nvidia is a mess :)
2660 [21:22:56] <amed> annadane: nothing, on my cell phone: the "use usb for the following" options are not enabled
2661 [21:23:08] <greycat> Hopefully someone who knows this nvidia stuff will answer, but you want to install whatever libgl* packages are needed.
2662 [21:23:19] <avalchev> On fresh testing install, I can't get nvidia driver working.
2663 [21:23:33] <amed> annadane: just charge the current
2664 [21:23:52] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, so just install all the stuff that it says isn't going to be installed?
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2667 [21:24:09] <avalchev> amed, did you check USB settings on your phone
2668 [21:24:25] <avalchev> try change them to PTP or something...
2669 [21:24:59] <amed> avalchev: in the cellphone i can't change options
2670 [21:25:14] <avalchev> You can :)
2671 [21:25:36] <amed> avalchev: i can't this options aren't enable
2672 [21:25:39] <Lady_Aleena> Dammit! It is a maze of packages that aren't going to be installed!
2673 [21:26:04] <avalchev> amed, try search for "android usb connection"
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2675 [21:26:28] <jhutchins_wk> Where is ld.so on stretch?
2676 [21:26:45] <amed> avalchev: yes, but I can not install the mtpfs package
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2678 [21:27:20] <avalchev> amed, my point is that your phone is configure to "charging only", not as connectable device
2679 [21:27:26] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Feb 6 16:17 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> i386-linux-gnu/ld-2.24.so
2680 [21:27:51] * annadane wants to suggest to just switch to nouveau, purge the nvidia packages, do the upgrade, install nvidia later...
2681 [21:27:55] <annadane> but that may or may not be wise
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2683 [21:28:37] <jhutchins_wk> ls: cannot access '/lib/ld*': No such file or directory
2684 [21:29:07] <Lady_Aleena> So it looks like I am going to have to put the disk in that I made and do a fresh install, wiping out everything because I had to use a driver that is a little bit off.
2685 [21:29:21] <amed> avalchev: the phone does not allow me to change the connection options with the pc, before (I reinstalled the operating system) when I was connecting the cell phone at that moment I could change those options
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2688 [21:29:48] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: oh, wait, it's different on pure amd64
2689 [21:29:53] <avalchev> amed, unplug your phone from USB, and then try to change it
2690 [21:29:57] <jhutchins_wk> Ah.
2691 [21:30:01] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Feb 6 16:17 /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.24.so
2692 [21:30:23] <greycat> with the other one coexisting if i386 multi-arch is installed
2693 [21:30:39] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Thanks, didn't thin of lib64.
2694 [21:30:49] <Lady_Aleena> 782 packages were kept back during apt-get upgrade
2695 [21:31:13] <Lady_Aleena> And the following kills upgrade now:
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2697 [21:31:21] <greycat> you're not expected to get a huge number during the "apt upgrade" part
2698 [21:31:26] <Lady_Aleena> N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
2699 [21:31:44] <greycat> that sounds like a warning to me
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2701 [21:32:03] <Lady_Aleena> Do I delete the file?
2702 [21:32:36] <greycat> you could move it to /root or something
2703 [21:32:43] <greycat> I doubt it's going to make a difference either way
2704 [21:33:05] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: mv it, then check for held packages, fix those then try again
2705 [21:33:43] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: # dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$' .. will tell what's held
2706 [21:34:16] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: whats 'ucf' sounds familiar?
2707 [21:34:28] <greycat> !ucf
2708 [21:34:28] <dpkg> ucf (Update Configuration File) is a framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts. See apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information. See also <ucf confmiss>.
2709 [21:34:52] <LtL> thanks greycat
2710 [21:35:30] <Lady_Aleena> How do I start fixing this: replaced-url
2711 [21:36:34] <Lady_Aleena> sudo dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$' didn't return anything
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2717 [21:39:13] <Lady_Aleena> This kind of thing is why I am terrified of upgrading.
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2719 [21:39:17] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: my guess is the 50unattended-upgrades business
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2721 [21:39:42] <greycat> you really think that wasn't just a warning? even if that's the case, moving the file out of /etc/ should have worked.
2722 [21:40:08] <Lady_Aleena> I moved it out of /etc/, but those packages are all not being installed.
2723 [21:40:22] <Lady_Aleena> I will try dist-upgrade again.
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2726 [21:40:59] <Lady_Aleena> Nope, rdnssd still stops dist-upgrade.
2727 [21:41:16] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: is this a stretch-buster dist-upgrade or jessie-stretch?
2728 [21:41:22] <greycat> so when I asked you, what happens when you try to install it...?
2729 [21:41:26] <Lady_Aleena> jessie->stretch
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2731 [21:41:40] <greycat> how the hell did you have a 9u1 backport on jessie?!
2732 [21:41:46] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I pasted the results earlier.
2733 [21:41:56] <greycat> err sorry, I meant bpo9+1
2734 [21:42:14] <greycat> libgl1 : Depends: libglx0 (= 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1) but it is not going to be installed
2735 [21:42:30] <greycat> there is nothing about rdnssd in that second paste
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2737 [21:42:47] <chocolate> how can I know what process is from a pid?
2738 [21:42:58] <greycat> ps -fp YOURPID
2739 [21:43:05] <Lady_Aleena> This was my OLD sources.list: replaced-url
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2743 [21:44:36] <jmcnaught> 'systemctl status <PID>' works too
2744 [21:44:44] <Lady_Aleena> When I try to install rdnssd: replaced-url
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2747 [21:45:43] <greycat> you have a stretch-backported libgl something on a nominally jessie box
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2749 [21:46:21] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I did run apt-get upgrade after apt-get update after changing my sources.list to stretch.
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2752 [21:46:56] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: dpkg -l | grep bpo
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2754 [21:47:33] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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2756 [21:48:10] <LtL> eek
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2758 [21:48:21] <greycat> that is a whole hell of a lot of backports
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2760 [21:49:12] <greycat> and yes, you somehow managed to put stretch-backports packages (bpo9) on a jessie box
2761 [21:49:32] <Lady_Aleena> I needed the backported version of LibraOffice to get something to work in LO at one time. I remember that.
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2763 [21:49:48] <greycat> err, wait, I'm mixing up deb9u* with bpo9* again
2764 [21:49:51] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: i'm by far no expert but i's do fresh install, that's a mess.
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2768 [21:52:18] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: I know you talked with jelly a *lot* in the last week or two. Were you not advised, at some point during that discussion, to remove all backported packages?
2769 [21:52:30] <Lady_Aleena> So shut down my computer after putting in the Debian 9 with KDE disk in and install from that, wiping out everything on the drive.
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2771 [21:53:08] <greycat> I'm not saying it needs a full reinstall, necessarily, but you're going to have to straighten out this nvidia mess.
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2773 [21:53:22] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I don't think backported packages came up, just packages not installed from Debian.
2774 [21:53:34] <LtL> If one needs -that- many backports its time to dist-upgrade a long time ago.
2775 [21:53:40] <greycat> And it will probably involve removing your backports of ffmpeg, libreoffice, geany, and god knows what else.
2776 [21:54:47] <greycat> And now I have a much more sympathetic understanding of why aptitude wanted to nuke half your system.
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2784 [21:57:52] <nmschulte> I am unable to connect to two A2DP bluetooth audio sinks at the same time. As well, after disconnecting an A2DP audio sink and reconnecting it, Debian always chooses HSP/HFP audio profile for the device. If I put the sink in pair mode and choose to [re]connect, Debian chooses the A2DP profile.
2785 [21:57:52] <jhutchins_wk> I thought the dpkg system was supposed to handle backports gracefully during an upgrade. I know there have been issues with dmm packages not being correctly versioned, but backports?
2786 [21:58:16] <nmschulte> I'm using blueman and pulseaudio on Debian (Sid, but I've had this issue for years).
2787 [21:58:28] <greycat> she's got backports of about 50 packages, mostly in HUGE suites like libreoffice and geany
2788 [21:58:58] <greycat> me, I'd just purge 'em and reinstall afterward
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2790 [21:59:18] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, I seen now, wrong release backports.
2791 [21:59:18] <greycat> it's not like she needs libreoffice during the dist-upgrade
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2794 [21:59:55] <dvs> I thought the backports repo was supposed to be removed during a version upgrade.
2795 [22:00:06] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, make a list, remove 'em, keep the list for future reference.
2796 [22:00:45] <LtL> dvs: it's suggested, but i got away with it. probably depends on the bpo's
2797 [22:01:01] <Lady_Aleena> Wouldn't purging them remove the configs in my $HOME dir?
2798 [22:01:04] <greycat> no
2799 [22:01:10] <greycat> it only removes /etc configs
2800 [22:01:24] <Lady_Aleena> Good thing I have /etc backed up elsewhere just in case.
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2802 [22:02:04] <Lady_Aleena> So sudo apt-get purge libreoffice # first?
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2804 [22:03:02] <somiaj> dvs: It shoudln't cause problems if it isn't, all versions should be strictly less, ~bpo, than the version one is upgrading too. Though backport packages upgrades are not tested as much, so the backport package upgrades could have issues.
2805 [22:03:18] <dvs> ok
2806 [22:03:43] <Lady_Aleena> Trying it.
2807 [22:04:14] <Lady_Aleena> Well that didn't remove everything for libreoffice.
2808 [22:04:21] <Lady_Aleena> Might have made it worse now.
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2810 [22:04:41] <greycat> I would expect you have to name a bunch of packages, not just one
2811 [22:04:53] <mutantturkey> is there a way to password protect a private repository (using approx?)
2812 [22:05:03] <Lady_Aleena> I have to purge each thing on the list individually?
2813 [22:05:10] <mutantturkey> i guess i'm routing it right now with inetd, so maybe via inetd or like, nginx as a pass through
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2816 [22:06:07] <greycat> mutantturkey: it's not exactly what you asked for, but you could run the web service only on localhost, and allow/require an ssh tunnel to get to it
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2818 [22:06:16] <dvs> Why won't upgrade -t stretch work?
2819 [22:06:18] <mutantturkey> yeah.
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2821 [22:06:23] <mutantturkey> greycat: not a bad thought.
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2823 [22:06:45] <mutantturkey> at that point might as well just hook it into the vpn
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2841 [22:09:30] <mutantturkey> idea here is to separate any building systems from systems that use those packages.
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2845 [22:09:49] <mutantturkey> ie -> systems using our internal package can connect to the builders but not the other way around
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2850 [22:10:21] <mutantturkey> i think nginx should work. thanks greycat
2851 [22:10:43] <Lady_Aleena> What does the rc mean in the first column of replaced-url
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2857 [22:11:22] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, ii - installed, rc - not installed but config remain.
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2860 [22:12:33] <Lady_Aleena> Can I use wildcards in apt-get purge?
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2862 [22:12:45] <Lady_Aleena> So apt-get purge libreoffice*
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2864 [22:12:50] <deadrom> hi
2865 [22:12:54] <deadrom> !backports
2866 [22:12:54] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
2867 [22:13:10] <greycat> that wouldn't catch them all, because you've things like ii ure 5.2.7-1+deb9u4~bpo8+1 amd64 LibreOffice UNO runtime environment
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2870 [22:13:24] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, but most right?
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2873 [22:14:07] <dvs> some of those aren't bpo packages.
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2943 [22:16:25] <Lady_Aleena> I'm down to replaced-url
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2947 [22:16:55] <dvs> I only see seven backport packages.
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2949 [22:17:18] <Lady_Aleena> Which ones?
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2954 [22:17:45] <jelly> ,v libpolkit-agent-1-0
2955 [22:17:46] <judd> Package: libpolkit-agent-1-0 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.105-15~deb8u2; jessie-security: 0.105-15~deb8u4; stretch: 0.105-18+deb9u1; stretch-security: 0.105-18+deb9u1; buster: 0.105-25; sid: 0.105-25; experimental: 0.116-1
2956 [22:18:02] <dvs> geany libacodec57 libchromaprint1 libreoffice-kde libx265-87 uno-libs3 ure
2957 [22:18:03] <greycat> that matches bpo in the package name, not the version
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2961 [22:18:12] <jelly> that one's not a backport, it's straight from stretch
2962 [22:18:17] <greycat> liBPOlkit
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2964 [22:18:35] <Lady_Aleena> Have I been removing the wrong things?
2965 [22:18:37] <greycat> she's in the middle of a jessie->stretch so she has picked up a few stretch packages already
2966 [22:18:42] <jelly> (which is typically not a problem for a release upgrade)
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2972 [22:19:10] <mutantturkey> well, what do Debian and Ubuntu do, they just server package lists via a folder and have the webserver do the rest?
2973 [22:19:24] <mutantturkey> ah, wait i am totally misunderstanding approx
2974 [22:19:43] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, Use "dpkg -l | grep ~bpo"
2975 [22:19:56] <mutantturkey> approx is the local mirror, got it.
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2977 [22:20:11] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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2981 [22:20:30] <dvs> still wrong
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2989 [22:20:53] <Lady_Aleena> What is still wrong?
2990 [22:21:08] <dvs> It still lists more than the backported packages
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2996 [22:21:54] <greycat> Did you fix the nvidia / libgl* stuff yet? That was the REAL issue all along.
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3000 [22:22:14] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I got sidetracked on this bpo stuff.
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3002 [22:22:49] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, missed the tilde.
3003 [22:23:17] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, better? replaced-url
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3005 [22:23:29] <dvs> That's better
3006 [22:23:54] <jhutchins_wk> mutantturkey: The repos also have some metadata for the packages.
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3012 [22:26:10] <Lady_Aleena> Have anything changed in host /etc/hosts, /etc/sudoers, and /etc/apache2 file are configured between jessie and stretch?
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3014 [22:26:22] <Lady_Aleena> s/in host/in how/
3015 [22:26:34] <n_blownapart> Hi I have debian 9 on a 32bit machine. When in a cafe, I cannot connect to wifi. Whether there is a password or not, my wifi icon is on, in the wifi settings the signal says good, but I cannot get a password dialog or a browser-based protocol. i.e. in Peet's coffee shop, there's no password, but a dialog page normally says "sign in as guest" what-have-you.
3016 [22:26:42] <ksk> Lady_Aleena: read the release notes? I would expect changes in apache2...
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3018 [22:27:01] <greycat> no major changes in apache2 for stretch
3019 [22:27:12] <greycat> wheezy->jessie was the big killer for apache2
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3021 [22:27:18] <n_blownapart> that dialog page being browser-based*
3022 [22:28:00] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: tell mutantturkey about local mirror
3023 [22:28:10] <Lady_Aleena> Give me a minute, I just started crying.
3024 [22:28:17] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: tell mutantturkey about local repository
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3028 [22:29:07] <jhutchins_wk> Lady_Aleena: No, that's very standard across many years a most distros.
3029 [22:30:08] <jhutchins_wk> n_blownapart: They don't have it set up correctly.
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3038 [22:34:13] <Lady_Aleena> I need to go afk for a moment.
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3041 [22:34:42] <maxm3232> hey guys, I would appreciate if anyone here can help me out. I had Debian wheezy on one of our servers and I upgraded to it Jessie because i figured there is no support out there anymore for Wheezy and I couldn't get sources.list to work when I use apt-get update. I upgraded to Jessie and used a sources.list I found online and still, apt-get update doesn't work. Is Jessie outdated too?
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3043 [22:35:16] <Habbie> maxm3232, show us the sources.list please
3044 [22:35:30] <maxm3232> deb replaced-url
3045 [22:35:31] <maxm3232> deb-src replaced-url
3046 [22:35:31] <maxm3232> deb replaced-url
3047 [22:35:31] <maxm3232> deb-src replaced-url
3048 [22:35:31] <maxm3232> deb replaced-url
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3051 [22:35:43] <Habbie> and how is apt-get update failing? please use a pastebin
3052 [22:35:51] <greycat> wait til he gets back...
3053 [22:35:56] <Habbie> oh haha
3054 [22:36:14] <dvs> Habbie, troublemaker! ;-P
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3059 [22:38:48] <LtL> maxm3232: deb replaced-url
3060 [22:38:59] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
3061 [22:39:00] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
3062 [22:39:06] <maxm3232> Thats my sources.list: replaced-url
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3064 [22:39:22] <maxm3232> ok i try that, thanks
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3070 [22:41:46] <maxm3232> !wheezy sources.list
3071 [22:41:47] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
3072 [22:42:08] <maxm3232> and with that line I get everything I need for wheezy?
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3074 [22:43:48] <maxm3232> I get this error message if I try it (with eheezy on another server): replaced-url
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3076 [22:44:36] <LtL> maxm3232: deb replaced-url
3077 [22:44:50] <dvs> dpkg just said that
3078 [22:44:50] <dpkg> wish i knew, dvs
3079 [22:44:57] <dvs> grrrr
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3081 [22:45:19] <LtL> dvs: indeed but maxm3232 didn't read it.
3082 [22:45:34] <jhutchins_wk> I thought jessie had moved to archive?
3083 [22:45:43] <maxm3232> I read it but I didn't quite understand it, thanks
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3087 [22:46:12] <greycat> jessie isn't archived yet, but its backports are
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3094 [22:48:39] <maxm3232> I still get this error message after I type apt-get update: replaced-url
3095 [22:48:47] <jhutchins_wk> Is there a factoid about creating your own local mirror?
3096 [22:48:48] <maxm3232> my sources.list looks like this now: replaced-url
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3099 [22:49:34] <maxm3232> I guess he tries to access wheezy-backports but it's not in sources.list, but I didn't find it in the archive either
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3101 [22:49:44] <dvs> maxm3232, why do you have two lines that are almost identical. You only need the second line
3102 [22:50:03] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for additional .list files
3103 [22:50:16] <dvs> maxm3232, also, you probably have files in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory
3104 [22:51:12] <maxm3232> should I delete the lines in wheezy-backports.list?
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3106 [22:51:19] <maxm3232> no risk he won't download something I will need?
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3108 [22:51:27] <Lady_Aleena> How soon will Buster be the new stable?
3109 [22:51:34] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: also just in case it wasn't clear, you won't get any new updates for wheezy at all security or otherwise. The archive is read-only.
3110 [22:51:46] <maxm3232> ah I see
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3112 [22:52:02] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, I give it two months at most.
3113 [22:52:09] <dvs> But who knows?
3114 [22:52:10] <Lady_Aleena> I am thinking that if I end having to nuke my system, I might as well get ahead a little this time instead of being behind.
3115 [22:52:12] <crestfallen> jhutchins: sorry I was disconnected. now I can't connect even to a network that is stored .. something is up. any suggestions appreciated
3116 [22:52:34] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, Nuke? Why? What isn't working?
3117 [22:52:36] <EdePopede> uh, down to 102 releas-critical bugs. were 116, and 106 yesterday
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3119 [22:53:14] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, I am now so confused by all the problems that are stacking up, I don't know what is what now.
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3121 [22:53:31] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: what does "apt-get dist-upgrade" do now?
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3123 [22:54:05] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
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3125 [22:54:54] <Lady_Aleena> And trying to install rdnssd: replaced-url
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3129 [22:56:08] <crestfallen> correction jhutchins. I am connected to my wifi at uc berkeley. I'm chatting from another machine since now it seems my hexchat is malfunctioning after my initial successful send earlier.
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3132 [22:57:46] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, so what does apt-cache policy rdnssd say?
3133 [22:58:04] <Lady_Aleena> And sudo apt-get upgrade: replaced-url
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3136 [22:58:57] <greycat> just pick one of the packages that it can't upgrade, focus on it, figure out what it wants, fix it, and repeat
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3138 [22:58:57] <Lady_Aleena> apt-cache policy rdnssd: replaced-url
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3143 [23:00:51] <greycat> I am still stumped by libgl1 : Depends: libglx0 (= 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1)
3144 [23:01:03] <crestfallen> any suggestions for a chat client aside from hexchat? I'm having troubles after reinstalling hexchat
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3146 [23:01:16] <greycat> irssi and weechat are very popular
3147 [23:01:21] <dvs> so systemd needs a version less than 1.0.1-5? Why is systemd asking for that?
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3151 [23:01:54] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, and you did an apt-get update?
3152 [23:02:44] <maxm3232> Can I ask questions here about apache2 on my debian server? Or is this the wrong channel?
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3154 [23:02:53] <greycat> This is the right channel.
3155 [23:03:17] <jmcnaught> ,v libglx0
3156 [23:03:18] <judd> Package: libglx0 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.0-1; sid: 1.1.0-1
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3159 [23:04:12] <greycat> ,v libgl1
3160 [23:04:13] <judd> Package: libgl1 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.0-1; sid: 1.1.0-1
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3162 [23:04:18] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, yes I linked the resuls above.
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3165 [23:04:25] <greycat> see, I have no idea what libgl1 and libglx0 are
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3167 [23:04:34] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, which paste?
3168 [23:04:46] <Lady_Aleena> And sudo apt-get upgrade: replaced-url
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3171 [23:05:20] <Lady_Aleena> That is after an apt-get update... (Did you want the update or the upgrade?)
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3174 [23:05:34] <dvs> update
3175 [23:06:13] <Lady_Aleena> dvs, that went fine, no errors.
3176 [23:06:52] <jmcnaught> maybe comment out stretch-backports in sources.list, apt-get update again, then try apt-get dist-upgrade
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3178 [23:07:44] <maxm3232> Alright, I upgraded wheezy to jessie yesterday, and I spent a lot of time in troubleshooting so that the apache2 service runs again. It works, it runs, but all my websites are not working, I get a 503 error message on the sites
3179 [23:08:03] <greycat> check the error.log first
3180 [23:08:16] <dvs> Oh? stretch-backports is in the sources.list still? comment that out for now.
3181 [23:08:18] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, please do not be alarmed, this is not as bad as it looks, i promise we can fix this
3182 [23:08:35] <Tom-_> i'm good at sorting out apt nightmares anyway
3183 [23:08:37] <Lady_Aleena> Still getting 712 packages not installed.
3184 [23:08:44] <greycat> you should definitely *not* have stretch-backports active during a jessie->stretch upgrade
3185 [23:08:59] <jmcnaught> Oh I see, in stretch libgl1 is a virtual package provided by libgl1-mesa-glx
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3187 [23:09:01] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, comment out stretch-backports in the sources.list
3188 [23:09:16] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, after commenting out, and saving it, run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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3190 [23:09:32] <Lady_Aleena> I did comment out stretch backports before running an update and upgrade again.
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3192 [23:10:03] <jmcnaught> what does dist-upgrade do now, anything different?
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3194 [23:10:31] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, the same as before, the rdnssd problem persists.
3195 [23:10:38] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, is this the output here? replaced-url
3196 [23:10:44] <maxm3232> I checked the errorlog, wasnt very useful to me, Ill post it here
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3198 [23:11:00] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: what does "apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-glx" say?
3199 [23:11:00] <crestfallen> thanks greycat I've tried irssi before. rather complicated but I'm giving it anudder shot
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3201 [23:11:08] <Lady_Aleena> Hold please!
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3205 [23:11:47] <Lady_Aleena> I am now getting somewhere with installing rdnssd, but before I do that, I would like to show you what came up.
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3209 [23:12:48] <Lady_Aleena> This is what came up now when I try to install rdnssd: replaced-url
3210 [23:13:22] <Tom-_> why does it say suag there?
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3212 [23:13:46] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, Well, that's progress
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3217 [23:14:32] <Tom-_> it's trying to switch to sysvinit-core
3218 [23:14:45] <Tom-_> it looks like the main conflict is systemd-sysv vs sysvinit-core
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3221 [23:15:20] <dvs> Oh? kill systemd-sysv :->
3222 [23:15:20] <jmcnaught> it wants to remove apache2 and KDE as well… wth is going on here?
3223 [23:15:29] <jcb2016> wow look at all those packages and stuff needed to be removed
3224 [23:15:41] <jcb2016> Lady_Aleena, when is the last time you update this system?
3225 [23:16:28] <jmcnaught> jcb2016: this is in the middle of a jessie→stretch upgrade that ran into some hiccups
3226 [23:16:36] <jcb2016> aw
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3230 [23:17:36] <maxm3232> thats my error log for apache2: replaced-url
3231 [23:17:52] <Lady_Aleena> Tom-_, suag is my alias for sudo apt-get install (getting suag/swag).
3232 [23:17:56] <maxm3232> I already googled the messages but most people say that's just warnings I can ignore
3233 [23:18:21] <tds> maxm3232: the useful part of those lines appears to be cut off
3234 [23:18:23] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: those error log lines all look truncated
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3236 [23:18:33] <maxm3232> oh, im so sorry
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3238 [23:18:57] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, okay, i just wanted to make sure. have you tried anything since or should we try to help you where you are?
3239 [23:18:57] <greycat> they all appear to have AH00094 which I'm guessing can be googled but I haven't yet
3240 [23:18:58] <Lady_Aleena> jcb2016, I updated it almost every time I thought about upgrading to stretch.
3241 [23:19:22] <jcb2016> got it
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3243 [23:19:52] <Lady_Aleena> So, do I just nuke at this point or continue trying to dist-upgrade?
3244 [23:19:59] <Tom-_> definitely don't nuke it
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3247 [23:20:12] <Tom-_> i (and others) can help you debug this
3248 [23:20:21] <Tom-_> i'm trying to find out if you need rdnssd
3249 [23:20:39] <Lady_Aleena> Tom-_, there is so much to debug, and I've already taken up several hours of their time already.
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3252 [23:20:54] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, apt-get upgrade shows that it's willing to upgrade packages.
3253 [23:20:58] <Tom-_> please continue to take up my time, i need to know what is going on
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3255 [23:21:48] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, out of curiosity, can you paste the output of apt-get remove rdnssd , but say no, to paste.debian.net?
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3257 [23:21:51] <Lady_Aleena> I aborted the rdnssd install since it looks like it wants to remove everything.
3258 [23:22:00] <maxm3232> thats my error log for apache2: replaced-url
3259 [23:22:01] <jmcnaught> good call
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3261 [23:22:28] <Tom-_> it looks like a package conflict to do with a package systemd depends on
3262 [23:22:30] <maxm3232> but I guess it's useless
3263 [23:22:35] <crestfallen> so if I have internet but both clients hexchat and irssi are "Not connected to server" after the irssi " /SERVER /ADD -auto -network Freenode irc.freenode.net " command , what does that tell me ?
3264 [23:22:35] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: do you have apache configured with virtualhosts that each have their own error logs?
3265 [23:22:47] <Tom-_> i've been trying to install things without systemd so i get the feeling it is like this
3266 [23:23:04] <maxm3232> to be honest, I have no idea
3267 [23:23:18] <Lady_Aleena> apt-get remove rdnssd: replaced-url
3268 [23:23:45] <Tom-_> okay, maybe just remove rdnssd and try dist-upgrade again
3269 [23:24:23] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: i'd do it, then update/upgrade dist-upgrade
3270 [23:24:24] <dvs> no, just upgraee
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3273 [23:25:07] <crestfallen> the irssi instructions say to /CONNECT Freenode and /JOIN #irssi before "/SERVER ADD -auto -network Freenode irc.freenode.net" Is that correct?
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3275 [23:25:33] <Habbie> crestfallen, that looks backwards to me
3276 [23:25:36] <crestfallen> something's up, since hexchat suddenly stopped working as well. but I have internet
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3279 [23:25:47] <maxm3232> I need to check on /sites-available if there is a conf, and then I know if apache is configured with virtualhosts that each have their own errorlog?
3280 [23:25:50] <crestfallen> :/
3281 [23:26:02] <humpled> but how are you here?
3282 [23:26:09] <Tom-_> dvs, but upgrade as she is now removes most of the system she needs
3283 [23:26:09] <LtL> crestfallen: irssi.org will explain all that you need for freenode among others
3284 [23:26:10] <crestfallen> different machine
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3287 [23:26:42] <humpled> same LAN?
3288 [23:26:58] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: the Debian way to configure Apache is to make separate files in /etc/apache2/sites-available each with a VirtualHost defined, and then use the a2ensite command to enable the site (which symlinks to ../sites-enabled)
3289 [23:27:18] <crestfallen> LtL bloody complicate
3290 [23:27:19] <crestfallen> d
3291 [23:27:26] <Tom-_> rdnssd autoconfigures recursive DNS servers on IPv6 networks <-- i don't think she needs this package at the moment, certainly nothing is depending on it
3292 [23:27:30] <jmcnaught> maxm3232: but users of course are free to just put all of their VirtualHost definitions into /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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3294 [23:27:40] <maxm3232> yeah I think I have, let me check
3295 [23:27:44] <LtL> crestfallen: irssi.org will make it easy, trust me.
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3298 [23:27:52] <maxm3232> so I just need to check the error logs from the virtual hosts now?
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3301 [23:28:05] <Lady_Aleena> I still have 688 packages that are being kept back in apt-get upgrade.
3302 [23:28:18] <Tom-_> can you show us the output of dist-upgrade?
3303 [23:28:18] <tds> jmcnaught: `apache2ctl -S` will quickly get you a full list of virtualhosts and where their configs are
3304 [23:28:25] <Lady_Aleena> The only thing it is upgrapding is tzdata.
3305 [23:28:27] <bs0d> Hi all. I was surprised to see that bison version in apt is 3.0, while the current one is 3.4. Could anyone please confirm that it is indeed 3.0, and it is not the case that my system is outdated?
3306 [23:28:28] <maxm3232> jmcaught: replaced-url
3307 [23:28:36] <maxm3232> where would I have to search for the error log?
3308 [23:28:46] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: try a apt-get full-upgrade
3309 [23:29:01] <tds> probably /var/log/apache2/sendyerrorlogs.log
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3312 [23:29:12] <crestfallen> LtL thanks but I think something's wrong because my initial query was successful with hexchat, then it suddenly disconnected. I removed it and installed irssi and now I can't connect
3313 [23:29:15] <Lady_Aleena> LtL, "full-upgrade" or "dist-upgrade"?
3314 [23:29:39] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: use full-upgrade first
3315 [23:29:54] <Lady_Aleena> Invalid operation
3316 [23:30:02] <LtL> get those packages in a up-gradeable state.
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3318 [23:30:53] <Tom-_> it says invalid operation when you say apt-get full-upgrade ?
3319 [23:30:58] <Lady_Aleena> Here is the latest result of dist-upgrade: replaced-url
3320 [23:31:24] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: nwevermind, it'd be apt full-upgrade but its synonymous with dist-upgrade i believe
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3322 [23:31:35] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, i think that output is exactly what you want
3323 [23:31:41] <Lady_Aleena> HOld on. Let me say now and close chromium.
3324 [23:32:13] <Lady_Aleena> It looks like it doesn't want to upgrade chromium.
3325 [23:32:13] <crestfallen> also LtL while in a cafe, I cannot cannot to wifi. this is also a new problem. so I think something in my debian9 is amiss
3326 [23:32:24] <Tom-_> yeah i would just try upgrading chromium later
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3328 [23:32:41] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: methinks Tom-_ is right go with that last paste.
3329 [23:32:41] <Lady_Aleena> Should I say y(es) now?
3330 [23:32:47] <LtL> y
3331 [23:33:00] <Tom-_> so after this dist-upgrade is done you may need to install: task-kde-desktop vlc-plugin-pulse chromium geany
3332 [23:33:06] * Lady_Aleena twiddles a pen.
3333 [23:33:07] <Tom-_> yes it's perfect go
3334 [23:33:23] <Tom-_> just some old libraries are being removed
3335 [23:33:35] <Tom-_> mostly
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3337 [23:33:49] <Lady_Aleena> You have no idea how much I will have to reinstall. I have to get geany, libreoffice, and other things. I just hope cpan still works as expected.
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3339 [23:34:15] <Tom-_> i would make a to-install list in a file or on paper, please include everything you and I have just listed
3340 [23:34:16] <Lady_Aleena> If I don't have music, you WILL be hearing from me.
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3342 [23:34:53] <crestfallen> I'm getting "Irssi: warning SSL handshake failed: Connection timed out " LtL
3343 [23:34:59] <LtL> crestfallen: run # systemctl restart networking.service
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3345 [23:35:14] <crestfallen> sweet thanks
3346 [23:35:24] <Tom-_> i think you don't need to reinstall the vlc-plugin-pulse, i assume it's built in to the package now what with the popularity of pulseaudio
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3349 [23:35:37] <maxm3232> There is sendyerrorlogs.log.1 and sendyerrorlogs.log, sendyerrorslogs.log is empty, and in .1 I found this: replaced-url
3350 [23:35:42] <Lady_Aleena> It is still getting things.
3351 [23:35:54] <Tom-_> and also i notice this problem seems to have something to do with systemd or init compatibility because when we remove rdnssd it stopped trying to install sysvinnit-core
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3355 [23:36:36] <Tom-_> Lady_Aleena, yep, this may take a while. i think everything should be fine, and even if it's not perfect it'll be 50 times easier to fix than to reinstall
3356 [23:36:45] <maxm3232> Not sure it's the correct error log, I restarted apache2 a lot the last days, not only on June 1
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3358 [23:37:16] <spectie> hey all
3359 [23:37:26] <maxm3232> I didn't even upgrade the server on that day, forget it, it must be the wrong file
3360 [23:37:28] <spectie> is there a way to add targets for rust with the rust debian packages without using rustup ?
3361 [23:37:31] <tds> maxm3232: none of those shows 503s
3362 [23:37:43] <crestfallen> LtL very sorry same problem
3363 [23:37:46] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: it's bound to be busy awhile, i think you're on the right track tho'
3364 [23:38:13] <maxm3232> sorry I search the correct log
3365 [23:38:15] <LtL> crestfallen: 'ip a' shows your wifi UP?
3366 [23:38:16] <spectie> or is there a specific rust on debian channel i can ask in ?
3367 [23:38:36] <tds> maxm3232: I noticed that apache wasn't listening on the standard port in the vhost you posted - are you testing this connecting directly to apache? might you be connecting to a reverse proxy sitting in front of apache generating a 503 because apache itself is down?
3368 [23:38:44] <bs0d> replaced-url
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3370 [23:39:02] <Tom-_> spectie, there is a #debian-rust and other rust channels on OFTC, and some on freenode
3371 [23:39:16] <tds> bs0d: wait for buster :)
3372 [23:39:32] <Lady_Aleena> EVERYONE! Thank you for hanging in there while I have been working this. (I would ping everyone involved, but the list of usernames may get me banned from freenode.)
3373 [23:39:45] <bs0d> tds buster?
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3375 [23:39:51] <LtL> Lady_Aleena: success?
3376 [23:39:54] <crestfallen> weirdest message ever from ip a . but craigslist works!
3377 [23:39:57] <crestfallen> LtL
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3379 [23:40:08] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, money is fine! ;-)
3380 [23:40:09] <Tom-_> it's useful infoirmation to me. i'm not a debian developer (or even a primary user) but i do want to see Linux help everyone
3381 [23:40:22] <Lady_Aleena> And I hope that I have not worn out my welcome here. I will let everyone know what happened, one way or another, after the dist-upgrade completes and I reboot.
3382 [23:40:36] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, see? it was just a few trouble packages.
3383 [23:40:38] <Tom-_> i'd reinstall everything on your reintall list before you reboot
3384 [23:40:40] <tds> bs0d: the current testing distro, but due to be stable soonish maybe
3385 [23:40:59] <dvs> Tom-_, good point
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3387 [23:41:03] <LtL> crestfallen: do not paste here, use a pastebin. i have to go for a bit anyway.
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3389 [23:41:15] <maxm3232> tds, to be quite honest, I don't know, I never had someting to do with apache2, I was just asked to fix this. It worked for more than a year and then after it got upgraded to Jessie it didn't owrk anymore
3390 [23:41:37] <crestfallen> LtL ok I'll paste it thanks
3391 [23:41:44] <Lady_Aleena> ,v libreoffice
3392 [23:41:45] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u12; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u5; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.5-3~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.1.5-3; sid: 1:6.1.5-3; experimental: 1:6.3.0~beta1-2
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3394 [23:42:05] <tds> maxm3232: can you pastebin the output of `apache2ctl -S`?
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3396 [23:42:26] <Lady_Aleena> I can msg dpkg to not bother the channel but not judd?
3397 [23:42:36] <maxm3232> tds: replaced-url
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3399 [23:43:07] <tds> maxm3232: there's a bunch of vhosts there, which one is actually broken? or all of them?
3400 [23:43:14] <Lady_Aleena> Be back in a few minutes.
3401 [23:44:09] <maxm3232> How can I check that?
3402 [23:44:24] <tds> how are you testing this in the first place to get a 503?
3403 [23:44:36] <maxm3232> I'm trying to reach the site
3404 [23:45:05] <maxm3232> should I just post the site address here?
3405 [23:45:07] <tds> what is "the site"? there are at least 8 sites configured on that server!
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3407 [23:46:20] <maxm3232> Well a lot of sites run on the server, these one: replaced-url
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3410 [23:46:37] <crestfallen> LtL paste.ee/p/9sG$K
3411 [23:47:06] <crestfallen> correction LtL paste.ee/p/9sG4K
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3420 [23:49:41] <tds> maxm3232: I'd expect that to be hitting the vhost on line 2 of 000-default.conf, so check that config, see where the error log is for that vhost
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3422 [23:50:23] <crestfallen> or anyone who'd like to look paste.ee/p/9sG4K
3423 [23:50:34] <tds> maxm3232: something also doesn't seem right there, since that webserver is happily talking https on port 443, while that's not included in the apache config
3424 [23:50:55] <crestfallen> [I have internet but my two irc clients won't connect.]
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3427 [23:51:29] <Doti> <crestfallen> how u connecting right now
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3429 [23:52:02] <Psi-Jack> I suspect... magic carpet. But who's this "u" you speak to?
3430 [23:52:19] <crestfallen> I'm on a different machine
3431 [23:52:23] <crestfallen> Doti ^
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3433 [23:53:37] <crestfallen> it's strange
3434 [23:53:46] <Doti> crestfallen what it say when u try to connect
3435 [23:53:51] <tds> maxm3232: that webserver also claims to be running Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) - that sounds more like wheezy than jessie, so maybe your upgrade didn't complete, or there's another apache sitting in front of yours as a reverse proxy?
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3437 [23:53:56] <tds> (the second option seems likely to me)
3438 [23:54:05] <maxm3232> yes, that seems more likely
3439 [23:54:30] <crestfallen> Irssi: not connected to server Doti
3440 [23:54:34] <maxm3232> the error log is empty btw, there are a bunch of gzs with error logs but they are all pretty old
3441 [23:54:35] <tds> i'd check to see if your webserver is running at all then, just testing with curl on the host itself is probably a good start
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3443 [23:55:03] <crestfallen> thanks a lot Doti I need to step away.
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3446 [23:55:55] <maxm3232> tds: couldnt I just try to complete the upgrade?
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3448 [23:56:32] <tds> maxm3232: to start with, what version of apache is this server actually running?
3449 [23:57:05] <maxm3232> Server version: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian)
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3451 [23:57:41] <tds> ok, so the server you were connecting to and getting 503s from appears to be completely separate and on an older version of apache
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3454 [23:58:47] <maxm3232> So I would have to upgrade the server he tries to connect to too?
3455 [23:59:00] <tds> well you should, but that's not the immediate issue
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3457 [23:59:01] <maxm3232> or at least upgrade apache?
3458 [23:59:10] <tds> it'll be returning 503s because it's failing to connect to the webserver you upgraded
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3461 [23:59:36] <tds> so actually test the box you're connected to, and see what's going on, checking if apache is even running would be a good start
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