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• 33[00:22:14] <magic_ninja> What does everyone here use for a google drive client.
• 34[00:22:23] <magic_ninja> I'm okay with buying one. I paid for overgrive it it keeps missing files.
• 35[00:22:39] <magic_ninja> Twice I've driven all the way into town, gotten to the office, and it didn't back up my stuff.
• 36[00:22:47] <magic_ninja> Only synced part of it.
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• 42[00:27:14] <somiaj> magic_ninja: any reason you have to use google-drive? I personally just have rsync between my computers and my servers keeping all my files synced.
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• 47[00:28:53] <magic_ninja> I have to have a cloud service, yes.
• 48[00:29:03] <magic_ninja> I would prefer to not switch platforms.
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• 53[00:30:58] <somiaj> Wonder if your overgrive is just not configured correctly, or is using cron to sync, and it just isn't syncing as often as you like (might be a configuration issue with overgrive)
• 54[00:31:36] <somiaj> but you might have to send support for that to the developers, you are paying for it, they should hopefully support you.
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• 56[00:32:36] <magic_ninja> It is skipping files, pretty much.
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• 59[00:33:51] <somiaj> I have no experience with such thing, as I just don't use google-drive. That page seems to be decent, but I dont' think any of that is in debian. If you are having trouble with stuff, you should seek support from the support network of the software you choose.
• 60[00:33:59] <somiaj> (though others might be able to give better advise than I)
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• 62[00:36:27] <magic_ninja> I'm about to email the person. I mean, it was only 5 bucks for overgrive. I can't complain too much.
• 63[00:36:42] <magic_ninja> I'm pretty sure Insync is better. I'll see if I can justify putting it on the company card.
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• 95[01:00:43] <victorqueiroz> Is it possible to install Deepin DE on Debian?
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• 102[01:03:02] <somiaj> victorqueiroz: Probably not in a supported why, why not just run deepin. Someone could probably get it to work via a source install. Have you aksed the makers of deepin if they make packages for debian stable that can be installed without the rest of deepin?
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• 157[01:22:44] <EdePopede> just had a strange encounter with midnight commander's filetype handling stuff. pressing Enter on a file usually executes it (aka "Run File with…"), there are handler scripts like /usr/local/lib/mc/ext.d/video.sh which are called from a temporary shell script in /tmp/mc-$USER/ with the filename(s) predefined. that script is immediately deleted after execution.
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• 159[01:24:01] <EdePopede> now i didn't notice that i had all the files tagged, pressed enter on a file and got "/usr/local/lib/mc/ext.d/video.sh: Argument list too long". ok. but then also "/bin/rm: Argument list too long". both out of the temporary script.
• 160[01:25:01] <EdePopede> the only thing that would have to be removed is that script, how do the filenames come in here? and why does it look as if rm would want to remove them?
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• 260[02:31:52] <misterhat> whoever fixed tab completion for dd
• 261[02:31:54] <misterhat> good job :)
• 262[02:32:08] <dvs> thank you.! jk
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• 265[02:32:19] <misterhat> has anybody else noticed it though? dd if=<tab> finally works :P
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• 287[02:48:09] <lucifer_> hello
• 288[02:48:40] <dvs> O_O
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• 290[02:49:21] <lucifer_> 0_o
• 291[02:49:55] <lucifer_> is anyone there
• 292[02:50:17] <Tom-_> !ask
• 293[02:50:17] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 417[04:58:16] <ageis> where can I find the latest blank template packaging hooks/scripts? (postinst, prerm, etc.)
• 418[04:58:25] <ageis> or generate them
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• 442[05:14:04] <apurva> hi
• 443[05:14:08] <apurva> i need help
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• 448[05:15:12] <apurva> how to install node js on mx linux
• 449[05:15:13] <apurva> ?
• 450[05:17:03] <jmcnaught> !mxlinux
• 451[05:17:03] <dpkg> Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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• 453[05:18:19] <jmcnaught> apurva: or give Debian a try :)
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• 455[05:18:42] <apurva> debian is not user freindly
• 456[05:18:47] <jmcnaught> sure it is
• 457[05:18:58] <Psi-Jack> It's reasonably user friendl.
• 458[05:19:11] <apurva> will it run everythig that i can do on linux mint
• 459[05:19:12] <apurva> ?
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• 461[05:19:37] <jmcnaught> of course
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• 464[05:21:40] <apurva> mx linux is such a good distro very fast its sad that it is not easy to install node js \
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• 466[05:22:48] <jmcnaught> ,i nodejs
• 467[05:22:49] <judd> Package nodejs (web, extra) in stretch/amd64: evented I/O for V8 javascript. Version: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; Size: 3359.4k; Installed: 13928k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 468[05:22:52] <Psi-Jack> Mexican Linux? Yuck.
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• 471[05:23:40] <jmcnaught> ,v nodejs
• 472[05:23:41] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; sid: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; experimental: 12.1.0~dfsg-1
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• 503[05:56:36] <totallyrad> hi
• 504[05:57:23] <totallyrad> I have radeon r9 390 graphics with debian 9.9.0 installed i am using non-free firmware how do i eliminate screen tearing or screen flickering?
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• 526[06:16:15] <robysath> I installed a basic debian inside qemu. My laptop screen size is small. I launch the instance and it boots and login prompt appears. It's console. The size looks like 80x25 or so
• 527[06:17:02] <robysath> Once I login it switches to a different res and text at bottom of console is cut off
• 528[06:19:05] <robysath> Sorry, at boot it's 80x25 but after a whil of boot it switches too some res that doesn't fit in the window
• 529[06:21:30] <robysath> Oh, figured a work around. I had to tell my top panel to auto-hide. now whole qemu window fits on screen
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• 658[07:42:11] <ninja> is vim with python support there as another binary package?
• 659[07:42:56] <jmcnaught> ,i vim-nox
• 660[07:42:57] <judd> Package vim-nox (editors, extra) in stretch/amd64: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with scripting languages support. Version: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u1; Size: 1117.1k; Installed: 2682k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 661[07:43:04] <jmcnaught> ninja: ^
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• 684[08:00:54] <ninja> X11 header files ? what provides it?
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• 843[10:19:28] <ludo> Hi, debian had a test suite of diff compilers, with a web site and graphs, my google foo cannot find that anymore, does anybody maybe have a uri? thx,
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• 960[11:43:58] <otyugh> hey, I've got a stunnel question ; how does it work ? I have my simple "accept, connect, cert" config file, then I do "stunnel simpleconfig" and returns 0. But I can see no effect. Guess I'm missing something ? ;..;
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• 962[11:44:41] <otyugh> all tuto I found are from sysV time
• 963[11:45:15] <lisbeths> am I meant to do all root commands as root or should I install sudo?
• 964[11:45:20] <lisbeths> fresh install
• 965[11:45:57] <otyugh> lisbeths, sudo is an optionnal commodity. You can do everything using su. Su isn't optionnal, but the root account is.
• 966[11:47:03] <otyugh> (well the root's password, a root user get created anyway)
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• 969[11:48:23] <lisbeths> After nine years of using linux this is my first laptop that has drivers on debian and I finally know how to use the thing. So I am finally switching from ubuntu to debian for the first time.
• 970[11:48:49] <PaddyF> lisbeths: congrats :)
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• 975[11:51:05] <lbr> Hi. Any news re. "security.debian.org" supporting HTTPS? It's 2019...
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• 991[11:59:47] <themill> lbr: deb.debian.org supports https if you really think it helps you
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• 993[12:00:35] <xormor> when is debian buster going to be "stable"? I already installed it. it is still "testing".
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• 995[12:00:50] <lbr> themill, indeed (I refer to it via replaced-url
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• 998[12:01:17] <themill> lbr: so use deb.debian.org...
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• 1000[12:01:26] <lbr> As far as I understand, for stable (e.g. Stretch) both should be present: deb.* and security.*
• 1001[12:01:26] <themill> xormor: when you help fix the remaining bugs ;) it's likely to be another couple of months
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• 1003[12:02:48] <lbr> themill, or you are saying that security updates from `security.*` land into `deb.debian.org` and having separate line for it isn't necessary?..
• 1004[12:03:05] <themill> lbr: that is not what I'm saying at all
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• 1007[12:03:46] <xormor> themill, how do I help fix the remaining bugs?
• 1008[12:03:59] <lbr> Then I'm not quite following. If one _must_ have both, but only `deb` supports HTTPS, where is the solution?..
• 1009[12:05:03] <themill> lbr: have you read replaced-url
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• 1016[12:07:05] <themill> xormor: replaced-url
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• 1024[12:10:41] <themill> lbr: (and remember that https isn't adding to the security of your downloads at all)
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• 1116[13:45:20] <olavx200> How do i update my kernel
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• 1121[13:47:52] <melpy> replaced-url
• 1122[13:48:50] <olavx200> ah
• 1123[13:48:52] <olavx200> thanks
• 1124[13:49:02] <olavx200> Why does my vps ship with kernel 2.6 anyways
• 1125[13:49:08] <olavx200> :/
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• 1128[13:49:39] <olavx200> I knew debian stable isnt bleeding edge, but holy
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• 1131[13:53:02] <lisbeths> why debian switch to firefox?
• 1132[13:53:52] <dvs> Because mozilla's policy with ESR releases is now fine with Debian's release schedule.
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• 1134[13:54:11] <lisbeths> is iceweasel still viable?
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• 1136[13:54:41] <nkuttler> ,kernels
• 1137[13:54:42] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.0.0-trunk-686-pae (5.0.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); buster: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-3); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.19.37-3~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1+deb9u2~deb8u1); wheezy-
• 1138[13:54:43] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
• 1139[13:54:57] <nkuttler> olavx200: because you're not running stable?
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• 1141[13:55:34] <melpy> olavx200 your vps provider is probably using outdated virtulization
• 1142[13:55:43] <olavx200> yep
• 1143[13:55:55] <olavx200> my arch install was 3 years outdated also
• 1144[13:55:59] <olavx200> opensuse also
• 1145[13:56:14] <nkuttler> get better hosting
• 1146[13:56:31] <olavx200> nah
• 1147[13:56:33] <olavx200> its cheap
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• 1149[13:56:34] <avalchev> hah
• 1150[13:56:35] <olavx200> 20$ year
• 1151[13:56:43] <nkuttler> you get what you pay for
• 1152[13:56:46] <olavx200> im just playing around anyways
• 1153[13:57:00] <tomreyn> and you loose what you pay for
• 1154[13:57:21] <bindi> lose
• 1155[13:57:24] <bindi> :@
• 1156[13:57:44] <bindi> Hetzner is 3€/month for 1vcore/1GB/20GB SSD storage
• 1157[13:57:45] <tomreyn> thanks merriam webster
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• 1161[13:57:59] <bindi> and they have a datacenter here in Finland \o/
• 1162[13:58:15] <bindi> and big pipes straight to Germany
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• 1165[13:58:46] <bindi> replaced-url
• 1166[13:59:08] <melpy> Hetzner tried to get my id once, so I don't use
• 1167[13:59:15] <olavx200> bindi: that is over double of what i am paying though
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• 1169[13:59:25] <olavx200> that would be 40,17 dollars a year
• 1170[13:59:29] <bindi> itjustworksTM
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• 1172[14:00:01] <bindi> I'm sure you have better cheap options in the US
• 1173[14:00:03] <olavx200> Long distance is for the most part fine if i run mosh
• 1174[14:00:09] <avalchev> Hetzner also got my id, but that's fone
• 1175[14:00:53] <bindi> OVH has 1vcore/2GB/20GB ssd $3.35/mo
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• 1177[14:01:18] <bindi> and they have $13.44 rebate if you pay annually
• 1178[14:01:27] <bindi> sounds cheaper, but better :D
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• 1180[14:02:17] <olavx200> i get 512 mb ram 30 gb hdd and a 2 core processor
• 1181[14:02:34] <olavx200> for 20$ a year
• 1182[14:02:38] <olavx200> which is pretty cheap
• 1183[14:03:00] <tomreyn> that's vcores, not physical ones
• 1184[14:03:02] <olavx200> the distro seems to be quite dated, but gotta work around that
• 1185[14:03:05] <olavx200> tomreyn: thanks
• 1186[14:03:22] <bindi> i would look at OVH
• 1187[14:03:38] <bindi> 4x the ram and 1vcore which might be way faster than your 2 vcores
• 1188[14:03:49] <bindi> or at least the same performance
• 1189[14:03:56] <bindi> and ssd storage vs hdd
• 1190[14:04:05] <olavx200> I dont need anything to be fast really
• 1191[14:04:07] <bindi> and cheaper if you pay annually as i said
• 1192[14:04:13] <bindi> right but it's still outdated crap
• 1193[14:04:15] <bindi> why even bother?
• 1194[14:04:25] <olavx200> bindi: what was the price for it anually
• 1195[14:04:26] <olavx200> i can update
• 1196[14:04:27] <bindi> sounds like some sketchy provider
• 1197[14:04:33] <bindi> $13.44, think that's before taxes though
• 1198[14:04:40] <olavx200> anually?
• 1199[14:04:52] <bindi> yes, special offer, might be only for the first year though, dunno
• 1200[14:04:54] <bindi> look for yourself :D
• 1201[14:05:02] <bindi> replaced-url
• 1202[14:05:02] <olavx200> that seems like a really good deal
• 1203[14:05:38] <bindi> or does rebate mean you get discount
• 1204[14:05:59] <olavx200> yes
• 1205[14:06:02] <olavx200> it means discount
• 1206[14:06:08] <olavx200> so it is 26,76
• 1207[14:06:11] <bindi> rip
• 1208[14:06:13] <olavx200> i thought that sounded to good to be true
• 1209[14:06:17] <olavx200> its still a good price though
• 1210[14:07:10] <olavx200> but mine is cheaper and has more storage
• 1211[14:07:16] <olavx200> although it is hdd not ssd
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• 1215[14:08:39] <olavx200> Im just going to use the vps for znc and caldav
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• 1219[14:12:38] <lisbeths> I am so happy that debian works on my machine I can not explain to you my feeling
• 1220[14:12:59] <lisbeths> For nine years I have only had laptops without support
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• 1223[14:13:45] <antto> ,v librecad
• 1224[14:13:46] <judd> Package: librecad on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.4-1; jessie-security: 2.0.4-1+deb8u1; stretch: 2.1.2-1+b1; stretch-proposed-updates: 2.1.2-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.1.3-1.2; sid: 2.1.3-1.2
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• 1263[14:54:20] <at0m> ,v xfce
• 1264[14:54:21] <judd> No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64.
• 1265[14:54:36] <at0m> ,v xfce4
• 1266[14:54:37] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5
• 1267[14:54:45] <at0m> lisbeths: ^
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• 1274[14:57:55] <lisbeths> sure sure
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• 1288[15:07:38] <melpy> !blush
• 1289[15:07:38] * dpkg I am experiencing a suffusion of the cheeks or face with red, as from a sense of shame, confusion, or modesty.
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• 1292[15:08:18] <han-solo> why does `dpkg` know that ? :)
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• 1296[15:10:06] <melpy> dpkg is human
• 1297[15:10:06] <dpkg> melpy: I wish you would RTFM.
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• 1320[15:30:04] <randorando> So I installed debian from USB drive on my server, however when booting, I get stuck at initramfs command line
• 1321[15:30:16] <randorando> I've found that the /proc/cmdline kernel parameters are wrong
• 1322[15:30:24] <randorando> /etc/fstab is correct
• 1323[15:30:36] <randorando> so, how do I get this server to boot?
• 1324[15:30:52] <randorando> I can't edit /proc/cmdline because it's a ro fs
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• 1327[15:32:24] <randorando> I might attempt modifying the initramfs image from this command line
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• 1329[15:32:32] <randorando> but I'm wondering if there's an easier way to temp boot
• 1330[15:32:36] <randorando> run grub2-update
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• 1333[15:34:49] <randorando> seems to be busybox
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• 1335[15:35:14] <humpled> if you're at the initramfs prompt, doesn't that mean that the kernel has already booted?
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• 1337[15:36:46] <randorando> humpled: my understanding is that this is a bootloader searching for the kernel image to boot.
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• 1339[15:37:44] <humpled> oh so you're at the grub prompt
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• 1341[15:38:16] <randorando> humpled: I do get as far as the grub prompt
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• 1343[15:38:42] <randorando> humpled: I'm not sure where it's getting. I get grub (and option to grub rescue), then initramfs with busybox
• 1344[15:39:12] <randorando> and the problem is definitely that /proc/cmdline contains root=/dev/sdn1 (not a PARTUUID)
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• 1346[15:39:23] <randorando> should be root=PARTUUID=WHATEVER-01
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• 1351[15:43:37] <randorando> humpled: so I'm not sure how to proceed from here
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• 1357[15:52:57] <humpled> you can edit the kernel line in grub
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• 1360[15:54:37] <randorando> humpled: I just attempted that, but I will attempt again
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• 1363[15:56:59] <randorando> humpled: okay, here's where it's wrong. linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-9-amd64 root=/dev/sdn1 ro quiet
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• 1367[15:58:10] <humpled> ah this is something to do with raid
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• 1369[15:59:10] <randorando> humpled: no raid.
• 1370[15:59:20] <randorando> humpled: there's a ZFS storage array, but it's not installed on that
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• 1372[15:59:35] <randorando> humpled: changing the grub entry to root=(hd0,msdos1)
• 1373[15:59:56] <humpled> otherwise you could boot from the usb drive again to investigate and maybe use chroot to run update-grub
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• 1375[16:00:30] <randorando> waiting on "loading initial ramdisk ..."
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• 1382[16:04:18] <randorando> humpled: stuck at loading initial ramdisk
• 1383[16:04:24] <randorando> going to attempt to reinstall from usb
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• 1397[16:15:55] <serard> Hello
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• 1399[16:16:27] <melpy> hi
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• 1402[16:20:12] <serard> How do I configure the mirror witn netinst using preseed ?
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• 1408[16:22:55] <EdePopede> wasm't there a GNU tool to make output appear in multiple columns?
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• 1449[16:42:31] <annadane> if i use ls -R for recursively and grep something how can i make it show where that pattern is stored?
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• 1456[16:46:12] <ksk> annadane: use find?
• 1457[16:46:31] <annadane> i'm a moron
• 1458[16:46:34] <annadane> thanks
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• 1537[17:33:39] <Skandalist> Is it possible to change marked GTK3 icons? replaced-url
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• 1542[17:34:48] <popx> Hi ! Just installed MX-16 on old laptop and Firefox won't start: says i/o error
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• 1548[17:35:43] <Skandalist> xfce settings and settings.ini don't affect on them
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• 1560[17:40:14] <annadane> popx, what is mx-16? only debian is supported here
• 1561[17:40:47] <ihateAdmins> we had that question yesterday, mx-16 isn't supported only pure debian here
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• 1563[17:41:10] <ihateAdmins> take a look on the !rules
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• 1566[17:42:41] <popx> !rules
• 1567[17:42:41] <dpkg> 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>)
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• 1569[17:43:26] <popx> <based on debian>
• 1570[17:43:36] <ihateAdmins> !<based on debian>
• 1571[17:43:42] <ihateAdmins> !based on debian
• 1572[17:43:42] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 1573[17:44:25] <popx> Ok sorry thks
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• 1621[18:25:14] <tw> been really happy with buster so far. had one issue with the installer, but I couldn't reproduce it when I tried it again, so hopefully user error.
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• 1631[18:32:29] <Soo_Slow> did anybody there use timeshift as a backup tool? Im trying to backup only my user's home folder with it, but it keeps dragging /var and other dirs from /
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• 1636[18:35:39] <somiaj> what is timeshift? I don't see it in debian's repos. I would read the docs on how to configure what piece of your system it backsup.
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• 1642[18:39:30] <annadane> i'll upgrade to buster when it's actually released but yeah, pretty excited
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• 1651[18:45:10] <somiaj> annadane: don't want to help out and test the upgrade path?
• 1652[18:45:52] <annadane> nope!
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• 1664[18:51:23] <f91w> how do I filter rsyslog messages that contain double quotes? trying to escape them chokes the parser. basically :msg, contain, "msg="Connection Closed"" & stop
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• 1681[19:04:34] <avalchev> There are some problems with XFCE lock screen, but it's XFCE specific problem, not buster's.
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• 1689[19:10:38] <ihateAdmins> how do i change my terminal to have the same text with color highlighting as in kali? In debian everything is white to black background in my terminal
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• 1692[19:11:32] <Soo_Slow> somiaj, its a gui for rsync. A bit more simplistic that grsync. Tbh I thought its in official repos already :v
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• 1695[19:11:42] <Soo_Slow> *than
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• 1698[19:12:10] <horribleprogram> stupid weird question
• 1699[19:12:19] <horribleprogram> LS_COLORS starts with ro=0
• 1700[19:12:22] <horribleprogram> wtf is ro
• 1701[19:12:32] <horribleprogram> read-only?
• 1702[19:12:36] <ihateAdmins> yes
• 1703[19:12:47] <horribleprogram> and 0 is default?
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• 1709[19:17:12] <annadane> timeshift is in buster and sid
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• 1715[19:19:17] <han-solo> horribleprogram: `ro` means `symbolic links pointing to a non-existing file`
• 1716[19:19:23] <han-solo> `or`
• 1717[19:19:36] <horribleprogram> that's or
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• 1719[19:19:40] <horribleprogram> aka orphan
• 1720[19:19:55] <AjayR> Hi, can anyone confirm something that seems odd to me with libsoup-2.4?
• 1721[19:20:23] <han-solo> oh, i see
• 1722[19:20:54] <AjayR> particularly libsoup2.4-1
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• 1724[19:21:27] <jelly> AjayR: ask your real question
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• 1726[19:21:52] <AjayR> Run strings on the actual library file, e..g /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsoup-2.4.so.1.8.0
• 1727[19:22:01] <AjayR> Do you see lots of domain names at some point?
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• 1730[19:22:59] <Soo_Slow> annadane, ty
• 1731[19:23:14] <jelly> AjayR: yes.
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• 1733[19:23:40] <AjayR> Do you know what is their purpose being in the library?
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• 1739[19:24:44] <jelly> no, I'd have to look at the source
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• 1742[19:25:09] <rhizome_> hi all, is there a CLI cpu/load/etc. meter? htop is well and good, but i want to see some activity levels over time.
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• 1745[19:25:38] <horribleprogram> rhizome_: top
• 1746[19:25:43] <tw> somiaj: I can't really say for gnome3/debian desktop, but my lightdm/i3 desktops have been super smooth upgrades so far, even w/ custom partitioning.
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• 1748[19:26:08] <rhizome_> top is like htop: not over time. think a graph composed of periods
• 1749[19:26:18] <tw> nload for network.
• 1750[19:26:27] <tw> I don't know anything like that for load/cpu.
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• 1752[19:27:21] <rhizome_> woops, tweaked google success: replaced-url
• 1753[19:27:28] <humpled> does it need to be in a terminal rhizome_? conky is smooth and nice
• 1754[19:27:37] <rhizome_> yes, it's over ssh
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• 1756[19:27:46] <rhizome_> no X on the far side
• 1757[19:27:51] <AjayR> jelly, I could not find anything in the source
• 1758[19:28:05] <AjayR> I am going to check in the debian sources
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• 1760[19:28:54] <somiaj> tw: Yea, usually the bigger desktops have more problems. Hence why testing is needed. Though my ssd with my buster install on it died a few months ago. I have been avoiding that issue since I lost some data.
• 1761[19:29:25] <somiaj> Soo_Slow: read the docs, see how it works. I'm sure you have to state what you want to sync, but can't say more
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• 1766[19:30:18] <jelly> AjayR: how did you look? apt-get source libsoup2.4-1; cd libsoup2.4-2.56.0; grep -R herokuapp.com . # finds a file
• 1767[19:30:52] <jelly> ./data/effective_tld_names.dat
• 1768[19:31:50] <AjayR> I was looking at libsoup gnome it seems, wrong library
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• 1771[19:33:47] <jelly> AjayR: it's the right library, but pick the matching Gnome release. replaced-url
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• 1777[19:36:35] <rhizome_> o ho ho, i am a dope
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• 1779[19:37:15] <AjayR> Interesting, it seems to be related to something called public suffix
• 1780[19:37:19] <AjayR> I'll read more about it, thanks for the help
• 1781[19:37:35] <jelly> publicsuffix db is packaged on its own
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• 1784[19:38:26] <jelly> it's possible gnome had a private copy in the source up to some point
• 1785[19:38:49] <jelly> ,i publicsuffix
• 1786[19:38:50] <judd> Package publicsuffix (net, extra) in stretch/amd64: accurate, machine-readable list of domain name suffixes. Version: 20190415.1030-0+deb9u1; Size: 105.9k; Installed: 294k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1788[19:39:48] <ihateAdmins> is there a package which will install bash colorizings?
• 1789[19:40:58] <jelly> what, like, prompt themes?
• 1790[19:41:26] <tw> ihateAdmins: can you be more specific than that? it makes bash line editing colorful, or prompts, or ls colors?
• 1791[19:41:32] <ihateAdmins> like the text having color/highlighting in kali terminal. in debian it's all white
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• 1793[19:41:51] <ihateAdmins> it makes ls colorized as well
• 1794[19:41:58] <jelly> highlighting of output created by bash itself, or by other commands?
• 1795[19:42:15] <jelly> ls is a separate command from the shell and provides its own colors
• 1796[19:42:23] <ihateAdmins> by everything even if you just type ifconfig it will make some parts colorized
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• 1798[19:42:58] <tw> generally, each package handles its own ansi color outputs.
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• 1801[19:43:26] <jelly> if it's color within the command line while you're typing it, then it's bash.
• 1802[19:43:39] <ihateAdmins> it's about output
• 1803[19:43:47] <tw> LS_COLORS and LS_OPTIONS environmental variables will colorize ls
• 1804[19:44:33] <ihateAdmins> i would like to have the colors like in kali, but i can't really find a tutorial for it
• 1805[19:45:16] <jelly> look at what environment variables are set in kali, figure out which ones might be color-related
• 1806[19:46:22] <tw> ihateAdmins: in a shell, try . <(dircolors); ls --color=auto
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• 1809[19:46:56] <humpled> and peek in ~/.bashrc, there is some stuff there you can uncomment
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• 1811[19:47:30] <ihateAdmins> i typed that, but other than printing out ls with color it didn't do anything
• 1812[19:47:41] <ihateAdmins> i did uncomment the color line in bashrc
• 1813[19:47:53] <tw> that's one of 'em.
• 1814[19:48:19] <stryker> If you want to add some colors to ls, add an alias in the end of ~/.bashrc, like: alias ls='ls --color=auto'
• 1815[19:48:55] <stryker> And don't forget to source your file, like: source ~/.bashrc
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• 1817[19:49:09] <ihateAdmins> i think i will take a look on the bashrc of kali, that will probably give me some settings
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• 1820[19:49:53] <pie3> can someone explain me how communicaton is established between userspace & kernelspace, how program coontrol is traferred & returned, how system call are executed & ini which cases?
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• 1823[19:50:41] <horribleprogram> pie3: oh god
• 1824[19:50:52] <horribleprogram> pie3: Linux Programming Interface
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• 1826[19:51:23] <tw> pie3: maybe `man 2 syscall` as well.
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• 1829[19:52:22] <horribleprogram> but to summarize, a program invokes a system call, giving arguments to the system call trap-handling routine
• 1830[19:52:51] <horribleprogram> the switch from user mode to kernel mode is made by a "trap" instruction 0x80
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• 1832[19:53:13] <tw> horribleprogram: architecture specific handling, but that's valid for x86.
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• 1834[19:53:24] <horribleprogram> tw: ahh
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• 1836[19:54:15] <pie3> so program is halt untill the systemcall is finished? horribleprogram
• 1837[19:54:27] <pie3> and then resume once it recieved feedback from systemcall
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• 1839[19:54:52] <horribleprogram> yes, on a 1 thread 1 processor machine
• 1840[19:55:00] <horribleprogram> non multitasking OS
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• 1842[19:55:39] <pie3> what if it is 2 thread machine
• 1843[19:56:01] <mihi> horribleprogram, pie3: the thread that is doing the syscall will wait until it is finished; other threads may continue running (especially if syscall is waiting for hardware)
• 1844[19:56:27] <pie3> so can i assume, that any program is running on any thread?
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• 1846[19:56:39] <horribleprogram> no a program has multiple threads
• 1847[19:56:42] <mihi> you can assume that each program has at least one thread
• 1848[19:56:46] <horribleprogram> yes
• 1849[19:56:58] <pie3> what is thread in this context
• 1850[19:57:23] <horribleprogram> a block of code that's executing sequentially
• 1851[19:57:29] <pie3> why program needs a thread, who decides how many threads a program needs
• 1852[19:57:44] <mihi> a part of the program that is run sequentially. your program start up using one thread, and if you need more, your program will have to call pthread functions to start more
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• 1854[19:58:11] <pie3> so a programmer defines?
• 1855[19:58:15] <tw> iirc, kernel threads and userspace threads are 1:1 mapped in linux, so I get what you're saying, but it's not so relevant on this platform.
• 1856[19:58:37] <jelly> this isn't Operating Systems 101, pie3; unless you have a Debian-specific issue, try asking in #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net. I guess even ##linux here on freenode would be more appropriate.
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• 1861[19:59:03] <horribleprogram> pie3: trust me, this is a very hard journey you're about to embark on
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• 1863[19:59:17] <pie3> i have chosen horribleprogram
• 1864[19:59:20] <horribleprogram> :O
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• 1866[19:59:56] <tw> pie3: replaced-url
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• 1868[20:00:24] <ihateAdmins> ok copying the bashrc from kali did work fine, can't see any problem yet
• 1869[20:00:34] <jelly> even wikipedia has a summary. replaced-url
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• 1873[20:01:00] <horribleprogram> ihateAdmins: Kali is Debian
• 1874[20:01:14] <ihateAdmins> based on debian
• 1875[20:01:22] <horribleprogram> yeah
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• 1879[20:02:49] <horribleprogram> pie3: here's the problem. The kernel has been in development for so long, it's kinda hard to jump into it
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• 1881[20:04:34] <pie3> we can take a microkernel (which is resemble of any OS/kernel) this is only for understanding overall process/steps & how everythign works together, and how it is managed
• 1882[20:04:49] <pie3> i dont think such small OS are mroe than 3000 lines of codes horribleprogram
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• 1888[20:06:44] <horribleprogram> idk what you end goal is? to understand computer systems? to build your own kernel?
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• 1892[20:09:21] <ihateAdmins> strange won't a ssd become hot? even though there is no mechanical movment it should have some current and be like 20-30°C
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• 1894[20:09:29] <pie3> to understand horribleprogram building comes later
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• 1896[20:10:23] <horribleprogram> ik the kernel basically gives u a virtual address that maps to physical memory, it provides context switching between processes, it manages processes, it gives a unified way to access hardware
• 1897[20:11:18] <pie3> how horribleprogram
• 1898[20:11:31] <tw> buy a book. Not the right context for this discussion.
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• 1900[20:12:24] <horribleprogram> i mean you can touch ~/test.txt and it somehow puts a file onto a disk, whether it's connected with SATA, USB, SCSI
• 1901[20:12:35] <horribleprogram> yeah what tw said
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• 1903[20:13:28] <pie3> is it possible trace a code, and then learn each step how it goes from userspace to kernel & what it doesn in kernel step by step ?
• 1904[20:13:47] <horribleprogram> yes
• 1905[20:13:50] <pie3> how
• 1906[20:14:11] <mihi> pie3, start with strace, then learn about gdb and kgdb
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• 1908[20:14:20] <pie3> ok
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• 1910[20:14:24] <horribleprogram> objdump -D somefile
• 1911[20:14:27] <mihi> but I guess if this is not linux specific, we should move to #osdev
• 1912[20:14:31] <pie3> dtrace is also related? mihi
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• 1914[20:15:26] <jelly> mihi: thank you, that seems a much better channel.
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• 1920[20:17:37] <nifker> I want to add an editor but update-alternative says that /usr/bin/editor is already being used
• 1921[20:17:44] <horribleprogram> pie3: linux programming interface, x86_64 assembly language books, kernel dev books, probably C books, Modern Operating system
• 1922[20:17:53] <nifker> like this "sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/editor micro /usr/local/bin/micro 1"
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• 1926[20:21:41] <jelly> nifker: I think it ought to be: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/editor editor /usr/local/bin/micro 1
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• 1929[20:22:32] <nifker> jelly: oh yes - thank you
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• 1938[20:26:24] <Primer> Hello. I've just installed a minimal Debian 9, updated, upgraded. I followed a guide for using zfs on root, which I have up now. The guide had me pin the zfs support. I'm wondering if switching sources to testing would be OK.
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• 1940[20:28:41] <jelly> Primer: avoid using "testing", keep to codenames so "buster", but yeah, who knows how zfs bits might break
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• 1943[20:29:14] <Primer> jelly: sorry, buster it is
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• 1946[20:29:32] <jelly> you'll get new kernel, new gcc to build modules with, doing it all in the right order might be fun
• 1947[20:30:01] <Primer> Well, I know zfs is in buster too, so maybe just start there instead?
• 1948[20:30:12] <Primer> It's frozen, right?
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• 1950[20:30:37] <jelly> sure, if you're able to install buster from a weekly or daily debian-installer image, go ahead
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• 1952[20:31:26] <Primer> Is there a live boot of it? This is what was needed to get zfs going in the first place.
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• 1957[20:33:10] <jelly> well there seem to be some images labeled "testing" in
• 1958[20:33:13] <jelly> !live stretch
• 1959[20:33:13] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 1985[20:48:29] <Primer> jelly: I should be able to debootstrap buster, right?
• 1986[20:48:49] <jelly> yes
• 1987[20:48:54] <Primer> The zfs guide installs via debootstrap, but also suggests one could just copy a running system
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• 1989[20:48:59] <Primer> Ok, I'll start there then. Thanks
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• 1992[20:49:33] <jelly> if you can manage debootstrap it doesn't really matter which linux (live or not) you're starting from
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• 2011[20:57:04] <Primer> right, duh
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• 2039[21:13:14] <magic_ninja> so I did a make uninstall, but my wifi driver kernel module is still loaded
• 2040[21:13:22] <magic_ninja> I built a new module I want to load instead
• 2041[21:14:23] <magic_ninja> nevermind, I found the module. Completely unrelated name to wifi or anything.
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• 2072[21:34:21] <magic_ninja> so it seems my wifi adapter is working, but I can't find it with lsusb
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• 2074[21:35:07] <somiaj> is it a usb dongle? have you checked what dmesg says about it? Or is it some adapter in your computer already?
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• 2077[21:35:20] <magic_ninja> did a usb -t
• 2078[21:35:22] <magic_ninja> found it
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• 2084[21:36:04] <magic_ninja> It is in the computer and I'm on it now. I'm trying to find some updated drivers. It isn't very well supported. I'm 5 feet away from the wireless router and getting poor latencies.
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• 2086[21:36:20] <magic_ninja> I remember on windows there is a couple bad versions of the driver for this adapter floating around that cause that problem.
• 2087[21:37:10] <magic_ninja> |__ Port 12: Dev 4, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=rtl88x2bu, 480M
• 2088[21:37:10] <somiaj> does it have firmware, do you have updated firmware?
• 2089[21:37:19] <magic_ninja> Anywho, I need to figure out how to turn that into the deviceID
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• 2091[21:37:31] <magic_ninja> Uh, this is a small little wireless dongle. I doubt it has firmware.
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• 2100[21:38:47] <magic_ninja> So I can compare the bus numbers. USB on linux is so much easier to deal with.
• 2101[21:39:13] <magic_ninja> How do I add a USB device to the database, I wonder? I'll be connecting to a lot of PLC's, which isn't common in the linux world.
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• 2105[21:40:49] <rhizome_> is there any way to select text that won't require deleting and/or adding/fixing spaces?
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• 2107[21:41:02] <magic_ninja> rhizome_, can you provide some context?
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• 2111[21:41:23] <magic_ninja> what application are you trying to select text in?
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• 2124[21:48:38] <ihateAdmins> my debian pc is on a vga switch, but i won't get any response when im switching to the debian pc display after it booted, how do i fix that?
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• 2129[21:50:20] <magic_ninja> Well, the basic thing there is that when debian boots it isn't detecting your display. So, I guess when you boot have the switch set to vga
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• 2134[21:51:12] <magic_ninja> Your other option is to figure out what it will take to SSH in and run a command to detect the monitor. Connect, type in the command, flip your switch, then press enter.
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• 2136[21:51:48] <ihateAdmins> but on windows for example it gets detected and loaded, so it should be on debian, what do i have to do, so that it will be detected afterwards? I'm rebooting a lot and when i want to do something without vnc it's a bit annoying. I do have vnc and ssh all the time tho
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• 2140[21:53:06] <magic_ninja> Well, debian != windows. As far as how to do it, I'm not sure. Hopefully someone else will chime in too.
• 2141[21:53:40] <magic_ninja> I'm with you though, I would think it could detect displays.
• 2142[21:54:11] <magic_ninja> anywho, going to change up wifi drivers
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• 2149[22:00:09] <magic_ninja> that went alright. Now I want to do a ping and catch the number of times a response is > 2ms
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• 2176[22:11:51] <rhizome_> magic_ninja: sure: neither double-clicking nor click-drag-word-select include any spaces, so pasting always requires more editing
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• 2180[22:12:18] <rhizome_> I should say: neither include any leading nor trailing spaces
• 2181[22:12:22] <KissMe_98> Starting my Live in a few minutes? I am going to touch & play with myself. Special Requests are OPENED (so it will be DOUBLE FUN!) Enter and reserve your seat (FREE for next 5 people): replaced-url
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• 2193[22:19:00] <rant> magic_ninja: its called wash
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• 2198[22:21:07] <rant> magic_ninja: radios have a frequency i.e. 2.4ghz or such, and several bands within that frequency, that they can tune to.. 2.416 or such may be a channel it is on, and then within that channel which spans 3 other channels in either direction, it does whats called noise floor calibration based on the chatter it receives that isnt on its channel.. and when you're really close to a transmitter the signal is so
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• 2200[22:21:13] <rant> strong it washes over the calibration
• 2201[22:22:05] <rant> really good firmware design can reduce this but basically these things werent meant to be used in close proximity to other transmitters
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• 2205[22:23:02] <rant> I was at a school about 10 years ago and they wanted me to install wifi cards on desktops in a lab.. 50 or so machines all sitting side by side that had perfectly good working wired network.. I told them this was a really bad idea, but they insisted.. when I was done they were complaining the connection dropped every 3 seconds..
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• 2208[22:23:34] <rant> when you're within 6ft of something, thats when you use a wire :P
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• 2211[22:23:57] <rant> especially if you have other devices within that range all trying to use the same frequency
• 2212[22:24:18] <rant> turn the tx power down on the router, it'll probably work better
• 2213[22:24:20] <lavenders> hey
• 2214[22:24:31] <lavenders> what type of password manager do you guys use or trust most?
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• 2216[22:24:53] <rant> lavenders: my brain.. I'm rather attached to it.. in more ways than one
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• 2218[22:25:04] <lavenders> :D else?
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• 2221[22:25:32] <rant> I installed keepass to keep my ass.. but I never used it cause I realized its pointless
• 2222[22:25:51] <lavenders> very good, no reasons
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• 2225[22:26:18] <lavenders> anyone welcome for opintions
• 2226[22:26:25] <rant> I have no problems remembering passwords except for things on the web that insist on passwords with ridiculous criteria for crap I wouldnt care if the whole world had access to.. and for that I just use my browser
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• 2229[22:26:43] <rant> lavenders: polls are not conducive to high volume support channels
• 2230[22:27:11] <rant> lavenders: use google, or install one of the keepass packages or search your package manager
• 2231[22:27:19] <lavenders> anyone feel free to mention your fav kpxc i like but dunno overall
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• 2238[22:31:11] <ihateAdmins> i was disconnected due to a network issue, has the question been answered?
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• 2242[22:33:21] <magic_ninja> no
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• 2245[22:33:48] <magic_ninja> rant, thanks for that info. There is only a single adapter here though. Are you refering to the adapter and router in close proximity to each other?
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• 2248[22:34:09] <magic_ninja> As far as the rest of the stuff, not my house or I would just install data wire.
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• 2251[22:34:45] <magic_ninja> I can't wait guys. Two more years or so before I can move to my home home and buy some land
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• 2261[22:36:53] <rant> magic_ninja: yes, for example here, xfinity has whats called xfinitywifi, all xfinity customers can use any other xfinity customer's wifi.. the gateways output one signal and bandwidth for the customer and another for public access.. the xfinity wifi signal is cranked up so high, you may be able to connect to a grocery store's wifi from across the street but as you move closer you'll get disconnected
• 2262[22:36:59] <rant> sometimes
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• 2266[22:38:32] <rant> ihateAdmins: your question about the vga switch? its unclear to me what you are even asking
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• 2269[22:39:14] <magic_ninja> that have to do with the wavelengths then?
• 2270[22:39:24] <ihateAdmins> When im switching on my vga switch to the debian desktop while it already was booted i am not getting a screen/response
• 2271[22:39:40] <ihateAdmins> it does not get initialized afterwards
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• 2273[22:40:16] <rant> yeah thats the part I'm not understanding.. it doesnt need to be "initialized"
• 2274[22:41:02] <rant> there is obviously more to this than you're saying
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• 2278[22:42:13] <n_1-c_k> lavenders: if you (are willing to) use emacs, this might be relevant to your interests, replaced-url
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• 2282[22:42:19] <magic_ninja> rant, he is using the wrong word. He starts up his machine. He switches the vga connection over to the other PC, and the OS doesn't detect the monitor now being present there.
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• 2284[22:42:40] <ihateAdmins> well i think the display/vga driver is not loading it. I don't know how i would approach this. Of course it works if you boot the pc with the display switched on it, but as i said it doesn't when you switch to it after it was booted
• 2285[22:42:42] <magic_ninja> ihateAdmins, try to turn off power on the monitor, wait a second. flip the switch, power monitor back on and see if it works
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• 2287[22:43:20] <magic_ninja> give it a good 5 or 10 seconds at first to see if it works
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• 2289[22:43:26] <rant> thats not what I'm talking about.. is this vga the only output on the machine? are we talking X, A DE? what?
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• 2291[22:44:20] <rant> if I were to plug in a vga monitor right now I'd enable it as a 2nd display right of my current display because thats how I have my DE configured
• 2292[22:44:44] <rant> if I plug in a DP display it will be above my current dispalay
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• 2294[22:44:47] <ihateAdmins> magic_ninja i tried that and that didn't work. rant what do you mean i am switching between 2 pcs on vga, my DE is xfce
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• 2298[22:45:16] <rant> is this the only graphics port being used on the machine?
• 2299[22:45:26] <ihateAdmins> yes
• 2300[22:45:34] <rant> its not a laptop?
• 2301[22:45:47] <ihateAdmins> no it's a pc
• 2302[22:45:57] <rant> laptops are PCs
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• 2306[22:46:28] <rant> what kind of graphics is it? nvidia, ati, amd, intel? cpu based? discreete?
• 2307[22:46:38] <rant> onboard?
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• 2317[22:47:53] <ihateAdmins> my internet crashed.. im back
• 2318[22:48:06] <rant> have you tried plugging the monitor directly into the machine?
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• 2321[22:48:42] <ihateAdmins> the display works if the switch is set to that pc before im booting
• 2322[22:48:57] <ihateAdmins> but not when im switching to it after it booted up
• 2323[22:49:03] <rant> I get that
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• 2325[22:49:13] <rant> have you tried plugging it directly in?
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• 2327[22:49:17] <rant> when its not working
• 2328[22:49:40] <rant> xfce doesn't do intelligent switching of displays I've noticed.. its one of the reasons I switched back to mate
• 2329[22:49:49] <ihateAdmins> not yet, but i want to make it function with the switch.. I will try it 1sec
• 2330[22:49:58] <rant> mate remembers my screen layout and switches automatically, xfce I had to do it manually
• 2331[22:50:58] <rant> if this is the issue, it shouldnt work plugged in directly either
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• 2334[22:51:14] <rant> and I'm curious about possibly running this down cause it kinda pissed me off too :P
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• 2341[22:52:20] <ihateAdmins> plugging in directly doesn't work either
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• 2344[22:52:44] <rant> yeah thats an xfce thing then.. I'm not at home where I have extra displays right now so I can't test this myself..
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• 2347[22:53:14] <ihateAdmins> well i'll be here for the next weeks, we can take a look on it at almost any time:b
• 2348[22:53:27] <rant> but when I had xfce (I use a thinkpad with the laptop display, a vga montior, and an hdmi tv) it would not switch displays automatically.. it would shut them off when I unplugged them but would not enable them on plugging them in
• 2349[22:53:35] <rant> mate on the other hand does this automatically for me..
• 2350[22:53:58] <rant> once I set up a display, it resumes the last used configuration when they are hotplugged
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• 2353[22:54:32] <rant> it was one thing that really annoyed me.. having to manually bring up the display properties each time
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• 2355[22:54:42] <rant> for you this isnt possible cause you have only one display
• 2356[22:54:57] <rant> ergo this should be considered a bug
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• 2358[22:55:25] <rant> if you're not set on XFCE, I recommend installing and trying MATE and see if it resolves your issue
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• 2360[22:56:17] <ihateAdmins> i will consider it, but for now im staying with my beloved xfce
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• 2362[22:56:28] <rant> I suppose I will look further into how MATE does this and why XFCE doesnt at some point.. but kinda hard to do now when I dont have extra displays with me
• 2363[22:56:42] <rant> ihateAdmins: your other machine is windows?
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• 2365[22:56:46] <ihateAdmins> ye
• 2366[22:56:54] <rant> ihateAdmins: they are on the same network?
• 2367[22:57:01] <ihateAdmins> yes
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• 2369[22:57:17] <rant> you could try putting ssh-server on the debian machine and putty on the windows machine
• 2370[22:57:26] <rant> you can use xrandr from putty to enable the display
• 2371[22:57:32] <ihateAdmins> i do that, i have vnc and ssh on boot
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• 2373[22:57:48] <ihateAdmins> xrandr doesn't work on putty, because no display is detected
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• 2375[22:58:09] <ihateAdmins> i can't run wireshark on vnc either because of that issue
• 2376[22:58:30] <jhutchins> I have a lot of accounts, I use keepass2 because it's cross platform. I wish it were easier to sync.
• 2377[22:58:41] <ihateAdmins> i can only run shell stuff efectively
• 2378[22:58:45] <jhutchins> SSorry, scrollbuffer.
• 2379[22:59:13] <rant> ihateAdmins: try connect with putty and do xrandr --output VGA --primary --auto
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• 2382[22:59:39] <rant> ihateAdmins: does your switch switch the input devices too?
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• 2384[22:59:55] <jhutchins> ihateAdmins: Do a netcat to a file, analyse it on a local computer
• 2385[22:59:58] <ihateAdmins> yes and i do get Can't open display
• 2386[23:00:18] <rant> ihateAdmins: DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output VGA --primary --auto
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• 2389[23:00:33] <ihateAdmins> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyCan't open display :0
• 2390[23:00:38] <rant> meh
• 2391[23:01:05] <ihateAdmins> i do have to reboot and do it locally on the pc in order to use xrandr
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• 2396[23:02:42] <alyssa> I'd like to generat an initramfs to pack into my custom kernel (with CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE) to decrypt my LUKS/dmcrypt root partition via cryptsetup. I'm trying to use `mkinitramfs` on the target (currently booted from a USB recovery drive, whereas the LUKS partition is on internal storage). However, mkinitramfs complains "Cryptsetup: ERROR: Couldn't resolve device /dev/root; cryptsetup: WARNING:
• 2397[23:02:42] <alyssa> Couldn't determine root device". I guess this is because it's trying to infer the root device for the USB, not the LUKS like I wanted. I added an entry for the LUKS (at /dev/mapper/root;/dev/mmcblk*p*) in /etc/cryptstab to no avail. Any suggestions?
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• 2400[23:03:24] <ihateAdmins> jhutchins sorry, but i didn't understand what you mean, that's not a network issue
• 2401[23:03:49] <rant> ihateAdmins: enable X11 forwarding on your putty configuration
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• 2405[23:04:59] <rant> alyssa: you are suppose to bind mount /proc /sys and /dev when doing stuff like this in a chroot
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• 2407[23:05:17] <rant> alyssa: mount --bind /proc /chroot/proc (or whatever)
• 2408[23:05:24] <alyssa> I need to be in a chroot?
• 2409[23:05:34] <rant> you're not even in a chroot?
• 2410[23:05:43] <alyssa> No?
• 2411[23:06:04] <rant> @.@
• 2412[23:06:09] <tw> you can do it when booted into the system normally.
• 2413[23:06:34] <rant> yes, this doesn't require whatever crap you're doing.. you can modify everything you need from within the system
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• 2415[23:07:13] <rant> alyssa: and debian already does this anyhow..
• 2416[23:07:31] <alyssa> My bootloader doesn't support initrd/etc; afaik, the only option is packing it into the kernel manually. Which is fine
• 2417[23:07:34] <rant> if you mean automatically do it without a password you may as well just reformat your drive and not use encryption
• 2418[23:07:51] <alyssa> I thought the idea is to be prompted for the passphrase via the initramfs on boot..?
• 2419[23:08:04] <rant> yes debian already does this
• 2420[23:08:32] <rant> I didnt set anything up, it asks me for my password on boot already.. on bot stretch and buster
• 2421[23:08:48] <alyssa> Aaaaahhhh yes, chrooting in makes it go much further. Thank you!
• 2422[23:08:50] <rant> alyssa: did you make a seperate unencrypted /boot partition?
• 2423[23:09:18] <rant> or esp partition
• 2424[23:09:20] <alyssa> There is no /boot, it's all packed in with the kernel. Don't ask ;P
• 2425[23:09:24] <alyssa> No ESP either
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• 2427[23:09:40] <rant> w/e :P
• 2428[23:09:47] <alyssa> (Arm Chromebook)
• 2429[23:10:04] <rant> yeah I figured it was an arm system when you said that
• 2430[23:10:09] <rant> uboot
• 2431[23:10:16] <alyssa> Not even, depthcharge T_T
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• 2433[23:11:09] <rant> ugh..
• 2434[23:11:18] <alyssa> Hooray! /etc/crypttab in the chroot does the trick!
• 2435[23:11:21] <alyssa> rant: Thank you so much!
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• 2438[23:12:52] <ihateAdmins> rant that's a great idea. I enabled x11-forwarding in putty and in the sshd_config(was already enabled), but i'm getting PuTTY X11 proxy: unable to connect to forwarded X server: Network error: Connection refused
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• 2440[23:13:57] <rant> hmm.. idk
• 2441[23:14:10] <rant> I havent used windows in like 20 years
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• 2444[23:14:34] <rant> I am able to ssh into my boxes normally or using mosh and just run x commands, so idk
• 2445[23:14:42] <tw> anybody else notice boot on buster always says "resuming from hibernation" even on a cold boot?
• 2446[23:14:58] <rant> tw: yeah, that puzzled me too.. but I just ignore it
• 2447[23:14:59] <jhutchins> !arm
• 2448[23:14:59] <dpkg> Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. replaced-url
• 2449[23:15:16] <jhutchins> !armhf
• 2450[23:15:16] <dpkg> armhf is a port of Debian requiring a floating-point unit (FPU) found in modern <ARM> hardware. It explicitly targets version 7 of the ARM architecture (i.e. not the Raspberry Pi), using the hard-float version of the ARM EABI. The armhf architecture was introduced at Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". replaced-url
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• 2452[23:15:24] <alyssa> aarch64 <3
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• 2455[23:17:22] <jhutchins> alreplaced-url
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• 2457[23:17:40] <jhutchins> alyssa: ^
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• 2459[23:18:02] <alyssa> Indeed -- support is there but it's not polished like on standard x86
• 2460[23:18:42] <alyssa> I think the deal is I provide graphics and the wonderful people here have patience with my laughable sysadmin abilities ;)
• 2461[23:19:11] <jhutchins> alyssa: We all had to start somewhere.
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• 2463[23:19:24] <alyssa> jhutchins: replaced-url
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• 2465[23:20:36] <rant> with the market so flooded with good cheap hw and people willing to buy crap.. I sell the crap and get the good cheap hw
• 2466[23:21:18] <alyssa> rant: Hey, that's my ~~boyfriend~~ ~~best friend~~ laptop you're talking about! :p
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• 2469[23:21:54] <rant> for less than the $350 a junk laptop new, you can get a Core i5 4th gen system easily.. probably 2 or more of them
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• 2472[23:22:18] <rant> alyssa: you need a new boyfriend :P
• 2473[23:22:38] <alyssa> Blasphemy! :p
• 2474[23:22:47] <rant> stockholm syndrome..
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• 2477[23:23:15] <alyssa> Well, it's still booting enough to a working display, so this isn't as bad as it could be
• 2478[23:23:22] <jhutchins> I've gotten good deals on refurbs from MicroCenter. Nice netbook for <$300. Would have cost >$600 to license all the Windows software I needed.
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• 2481[23:24:02] * rant shrugs
• 2482[23:24:21] <ihateAdmins> ok i fixed it there was a little problem with windows
• 2483[23:25:06] <rant> imagine that
• 2484[23:25:21] <rant> such things are nearly unheard of..
• 2485[23:25:47] <ihateAdmins> no way ;D
• 2486[23:26:10] <rant> we all just use Debian cause we're broke hippies
• 2487[23:27:01] <jhutchins> rant: Um, no.
• 2488[23:27:29] <jhutchins> I make my living helping to manage ~1500 linux servers.
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• 2490[23:28:02] <jhutchins> I've been all linux since about 2006, and I've been working with it since '95.
• 2491[23:28:22] <rant> I was being sarcastic
• 2492[23:28:32] <jhutchins> Ah.
• 2493[23:28:35] <jhutchins> Missed it.
• 2494[23:28:39] <rant> I've been _Debian_ only since 2003 when I got here
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• 2496[23:29:18] <rant> I don't understand why people use anything else.. makes no sense to me
• 2497[23:29:32] <jhutchins> I've seen people who think the only reason to run Linux is to run pirated Windows games without paying to keep up a windows license.
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• 2499[23:30:23] <rant> my brother has a HP All-In-One with a 4th gen Core i5 and the hdd died.. I trippled his hd space, doubled his ram, installed and configured Debian 10 on it.. and he just went out and bought a SSD 1/6th the size and put win7 back on it
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• 2502[23:30:54] <ihateAdmins> you failed :')
• 2503[23:30:57] <rant> I even setup his damn Sims3 he plays all the time with all the expansion packs in crossover
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• 2505[23:31:02] <jhutchins> Sad.
• 2506[23:31:05] <rant> it ran flawlessly
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• 2508[23:31:22] <rant> I've had my father on Debian for about 5 years now though
• 2509[23:31:45] <rant> he still bitches occasionally but he uses it daily with the occasional PEBCAK
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• 2511[23:32:03] <rant> or PEBCAM in his case.. he's not much into using the keyboard
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• 2514[23:32:44] <rant> he insists on still using Office 2003 though.. says its better than libreoffice.. I think he's crazy
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• 2517[23:33:54] <ihateAdmins> silent doc... well i hope he is resisting against spam lol
• 2518[23:33:56] <jhutchins> Once you get used to the commands, tools, and shortcuts it can be hard to switch.
• 2519[23:35:03] <ihateAdmins> I can't run wireshark in putty/x11-forwarding and also not in vnc. How could i solve that?
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• 2521[23:35:21] <ihateAdmins> i mean other than a lot of networking
• 2522[23:36:01] <ihateAdmins> i want to make the gtk/qt working
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• 2524[23:36:16] <EdePopede> weird. have this IBus running, after restart the 3rd layer (altgr) was behaving like without it. switched the layout and back and now it is ok. sounds like it wouldn't get initialized correctly right at the start?
• 2525[23:36:29] <EdePopede> s/restart/reboot/
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• 2536[23:43:51] <alyssa> rant: I've distrohopped but you're right, I do always come back to Debian..
• 2537[23:45:24] <ihateAdmins> where did that come from lol. Did i miss something? out of nowhere..
• 2538[23:46:02] <alyssa> "I don't understand why people use anything else.. makes no sense to me" A dozen or so lines up
• 2539[23:47:22] <ihateAdmins> Well there are several reasons otherwise nobody would use windows at all. For me it's about programs and games that are not compatible with linux or will take several months for their wrappers to be up to date
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• 2541[23:48:27] <rant> yeah well I learned to do without.. its like that credit card company slogan "everywhere you want to be" if they dont accept it, you don
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• 2543[23:48:33] <rant> t wanna be there :P
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• 2545[23:49:43] <ihateAdmins> you can choose your car in any color as long as it is black :')
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