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• 4[00:01:51] <jhutchins> aexl: is that a debian pacrkage?
• 5[00:02:05] <jhutchins> paul`: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
• 6[00:02:22] <jhutchins> paul`: What release are you using?
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• 10[00:03:16] <aexl> jhutchins: yes, replaced-url
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• 20[00:05:37] <jmcnaught> aexl: at the end of your paste it says to rename/remove directconnect.ini.tmp, did you try that?
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• 22[00:06:38] <aexl> yes, i did that and also commented the line with the ipblock. also, this "log" was created 1 week, 4 days ago
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• 24[00:07:49] <aexl> oh wait
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• 31[00:10:44] <aexl> runs. sorry for the noise. why does service mldonkey-server restart work but not service mldonkey-server start?
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• 107[01:03:53] <zzz98> If you don't cum while watching this video "Lisey Sweet's Country Ass 4th of July Party With Her Stepdad", I will pay you $100.00 ---> replaced-url
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• 115[01:06:26] <crn> the gddrescue package for debian 9 does not seem to contain the gddrescue executeable. am i correct in this?
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• 118[01:06:59] <cheapie> crn: I think the binary itself is called "ddrescue"
• 119[01:07:11] <cheapie> Don't ask me why the package name has a G *shrug*
• 120[01:07:33] <Guest48> replaced-url
• 121[01:07:42] <crn> cheapie ah. thanks
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• 131[01:14:37] <crn> cheapie thx. the last paragraph of aptitude show gddrescue explains this weirdness.
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• 133[01:15:28] <cheapie> Used to, yeah. It doesn't any more so it should probably be changed :P
• 134[01:16:09] <cheapie> (the other package, that is - it seems to no longer exist)
• 135[01:17:45] <crn> right. now i'll put it to work. thx again.
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• 141[01:22:04] <aexl> "the last paragraph of aptitude show gddrescue explains this weirdness" which is?
• 142[01:22:26] <nonedead> Any advice on setting ip addresses in /etc/networ/interfaces
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• 145[01:23:18] <jmcnaught> nonedead: what kind of advice are you looking for?
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• 150[01:24:02] <nonedead> I can get a single ip address to work on the interface but when I try to add more than one ip address on the interface it doesn't work, I knew how to when the interfaces were called eth0 but with the new naming convention I got nothing
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• 153[01:27:05] <jmcnaught> nonedead: are you doing separate stanzas for each address?
• 154[01:27:34] <nonedead> I have tried with no success
• 155[01:28:08] <dvs> yeah, virtual interfaces used to be like eth0:0. What do you use now?
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• 157[01:28:34] <nonedead> eth0 for me is now enp4s0
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• 159[01:29:22] <jmcnaught> nonedead: are you doing it like this? replaced-url
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• 162[01:31:14] <nonedead> I was doing it in the legacy method
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• 164[01:32:03] <jmcnaught> nonedead: or see also the final paragraph of the INTERFACE DEFINITIONS in the interfaces man page
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• 171[01:41:00] <wald0> i have 280 mb used in /var/li/apt/lists/, is there a way to make it smaller?
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• 174[01:42:57] <wald0> or... how i can configure my apt conf to not update the Contents packages?
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• 192[01:53:07] <alphazulu> will debian ever switch to netplan?
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• 196[01:58:48] <jmcnaught> alphazulu: probably not as the default, but there's a package for it in buster
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• 206[02:10:23] <alphazulu> jmcnaught: isn't netplan supposed to be the future?
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• 210[02:13:05] <Gaming4JC> Hi, I just upgraded an older computer from debian 7 to debian 9. Everything seemed to go well, except now I can't reboot or shutdown after the upgrade
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• 212[02:13:28] <jmcnaught> Gaming4JC: did you upgrade to Debian 8 first?
• 213[02:13:31] <Gaming4JC> I'd rather not hard shutdown the computer, and running sysctl reboot -i returns "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory"
• 214[02:13:49] <aypea[1]> dbus may not be running
• 215[02:13:51] <Gaming4JC> jmcnaught: yes I ran dist-upgrade for debian 8 first
• 216[02:14:18] <rant> Gaming4JC: did you reboot after upgrading to Debian 8?
• 217[02:14:26] <Gaming4JC> no, since it didn't work then either
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• 221[02:15:11] <Gaming4JC> and systemctl is unable to "start" dbus since it doesn't exist
• 222[02:15:17] <Gaming4JC> in order to start itself
• 223[02:15:21] <aypea[1]> interesting :)
• 224[02:15:26] <aypea[1]> try installing it?
• 225[02:15:28] <rant> Gaming4JC: well wheezy didnt have systemd by default and you cant just install systemd and expect to start using it when you havent booted it yet
• 226[02:15:37] <rant> Gaming4JC: use init 6 instead
• 227[02:16:04] <Gaming4JC> would a hard reboot cause systemd to load?
• 228[02:16:41] <rant> Gaming4JC: just reboot using the appropriate method for wheezy and see if you still have problems
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• 230[02:16:58] <Gaming4JC> rant: "reboot" and "shutdown" are "command not found"
• 231[02:17:05] <rant> Gaming4JC: if you want, make note of the sysrq stuff first or remount fs readonly and flush manually
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• 233[02:17:09] <aypea[1]> ooh
• 234[02:17:15] <rant> do I have to say init again?
• 235[02:17:21] <Gaming4JC> alright I'll use init 6
• 236[02:17:28] <aypea[1]> install systemd-sysv
• 237[02:17:33] <aypea[1]> and dbus
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• 240[02:17:48] * rant has been using init 6 and init 0 since potato and still uses it
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• 242[02:18:09] <Gaming4JC> rant: "bash: init: command not found" not a good sign?
• 243[02:18:23] <rant> Gaming4JC: are you root?
• 244[02:18:24] <Gaming4JC> yes
• 245[02:18:28] <Gaming4JC> (sudo su)
• 246[02:19:02] <jmcnaught> Gaming4JC: making sure that systemd-sysv and dbus are installed before rebooting is probably a good idea
• 247[02:19:07] <Gaming4JC> ok
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• 249[02:20:57] <rant> Gaming4JC: (uname -a;cat /etc/debian_version;apt policy;cat /var/log/apt/term.log;dpkg -l)|nc termbin.com 9999
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• 253[02:21:43] <aypea[1]> Gaming4JC: and, just to be on the safe side, double-check that grub is still there =)
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• 255[02:22:44] <aypea[1]> (and a kernel to boot into)
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• 259[02:25:08] <Gaming4JC> jmcnaught: good catch, since it appears dbus was missing - replaced-url
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• 261[02:25:25] * aypea[1] grumblemutters.
• 262[02:25:39] <Gaming4JC> and it still can't reboot yet of course.
• 263[02:25:47] <jmcnaught> Gaming4JC: that was aypea[1]'s catch, I just repeated it :)
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• 265[02:25:57] <Gaming4JC> aypea[1]: sorry, thanks :)
• 266[02:26:06] <aypea[1]> jmcnaught: :)
• 267[02:26:33] <rant> jmcnaught: clearly you aren't a scientist
• 268[02:27:15] <aypea[1]> Gaming4JC: it may not be able to talk as there's crypto at play. it's also why a dbus update requires a reboot. what packages from systemd and dbus do you have installed? can you dump on a paste site? are grub and a kernel there, also?
• 269[02:28:31] * aypea[1] has upgraded servers from wheezy->jessie->stretch without a hitch, in the one session, without any reboot, so is curious as to what's going on there.
• 270[02:29:01] <rant> yeah, this is why I was asking to see the apt log and a full pakage listing
• 271[02:29:55] <aypea[1]> gah. bbs. :/
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• 282[02:38:20] <somiaj> Hmm, for some reason my chromium is no longer displaying one of google's fonts: replaced-url
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• 285[02:39:34] <somiaj> They show up for just a second, then as soon as the page loads they disapear.
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• 287[02:41:00] <jmcnaught> somiaj: same thing here, after they disappear all that's left is +, ® and ш
• 288[02:41:40] <somiaj> jmcnaught: hmm, wonder who I should contact about this. Seems strange that it only affects chromium, but my laptop is the same. These fonts use to work fine (use them on a webpage I work with alot)
• 289[02:42:01] <rant> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 291[02:42:27] <somiaj> rant: is this showing up in chromium for you? The current security build in stretch?
• 292[02:42:36] <rant> buster
• 293[02:42:49] <somiaj> So maybe it is an issue with chromium in stretch?
• 294[02:42:51] <somiaj> ,v chromium
• 295[02:42:52] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 73.0.3683.75-1; sid: 74.0.3729.108-1
• 296[02:43:01] <jmcnaught> works properly in chromium on buster here too
• 297[02:43:13] <somiaj> though except for the build they are almost identical versions.
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• 301[02:43:33] <phogg> I have just checked with chromium 57.0.2987.98 and it works OK here.
• 302[02:43:37] <rant> somiaj: there would be different dependency versions
• 303[02:43:39] <somiaj> They were also working a few days ago, and there hasn't been a chromium update since march.
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• 305[02:44:04] <rant> ,depends chromium stretch
• 306[02:44:05] <judd> Package chromium in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libatomic1 (>= 4.8), libavcodec57 (>= 7:3.2.12) | libavcodec-extra57 (>= 7:3.2.12), libavformat57 (>= 7:3.2.12), libavutil55 (>= 7:3.2.12), libc6 (>= 2.16), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libcups2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdrm2 (>= 2.3.1), libevent-2.0-5 (>= 2.0.10-stable), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libflac8
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• 310[02:45:40] <somiaj> well thanks for the verrifcation. I don't have time to deal with this right now, but not sure what I should file a bug report against. Maybe chromium and let the matainer work it out.
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• 312[02:45:49] <somiaj> (unless someone has time and wants to submit a bugreport)
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• 314[02:45:55] <rant> possible culpraits, libcairo2, libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, libpango-1.0-0, libpangocairo-1.0-0, or some gtk crap
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• 318[02:46:22] <jcb2016> Is there a pdf version or something interactive to download with the Debian release notes I would like to view it offline
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• 320[02:46:29] <rant> somiaj: what HAS upgraded since it stopped working?
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• 323[02:47:57] <somiaj> jcb2016: yes, replaced-url
• 324[02:48:08] <somiaj> rant: I'll have to figure that out later, no time. Thanks though.
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• 340[02:53:23] <Gaming4JC> well, after hard reboot everything is functioning as expected. Systemd is installed. :P
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• 342[02:53:44] <Gaming4JC> not sure what was going on there, but at least nothing appears broken
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• 356[02:57:51] <rant> Gaming4JC: out of curiousity is systemd-sysv installed?
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• 390[03:22:44] <nt80> I have one connected NIC on Debian (eno1) and it has various interfaces configured on it, such as eno1.3, eno.5, vmbr0, etc. I would like to use a jumbro frame, should I set mtu for all interfaces using eno1 or doing so only for eno1 interface configuration is enough?
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• 393[03:28:26] <ksk> nt80: cant you check that easily by setting it, and then checking?
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• 396[03:30:12] <nt80> well, when I set mtu (say 4000) on eno1 , all other interfaces use default mtu (1500) so that made me to ask about it
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• 403[03:37:41] <ksk> then Im inclined to say you answered the question yourself; you have to set it for every alias (or whatever you call that enoX.Y devices)
• 404[03:37:55] <ksk> eh enX.Y
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• 406[03:42:24] <nt80> .Y are vlans
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• 433[04:04:05] <Henry151> howdy again folks
• 434[04:04:14] <Henry151> just dropping in to update you guys about my server
• 435[04:04:29] <dvs> It blew up?
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• 437[04:04:40] <somiaj> Still waiting for the raid array to rebuild itself, or has it been long enough already?
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• 440[04:05:16] <Henry151> Virtual Disk 0 has been created using RAID-1 and two of the physical drives, it's final size is 1.89TB, that's where the OS is going to live
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• 442[04:06:17] <Henry151> Virtual Disk 1 is being initialized now, it is going to be 5.45TB and use RAID-5, be made of 5 physical drives and have one designated hot-spare
• 443[04:06:57] <dvs> And what's it going to be used for?
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• 445[04:07:26] <Henry151> it will be for storage of backups, it will probably have enough space to hold a full system backup of the server itself, and all three of my laptops
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• 447[04:07:41] <dvs> Good call
• 448[04:07:56] <Henry151> yeah the level of redundancy of my backups is getting silly
• 449[04:07:59] <Henry151> but it's ok
• 450[04:08:25] <Henry151> i do play custodian of some bitcoin for some folks and hold some other data that really shouldn't get lost
• 451[04:08:37] <dvs> Silly would be leaving the server as RAID0 for 8 disks
• 452[04:09:01] <Henry151> right? I'd have a beautifully large 16TB of storage but what the heck does anyone need that much space for
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• 454[04:09:23] <Henry151> I mean my whole music and video collection = ~500GB
• 455[04:09:47] <dvs> And if one disk went down, you'd loose everything.
• 456[04:09:56] <Henry151> and then my three laptops, one has a 500GB harddrive i'd like to back up, and the other two both are 250GB
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• 460[04:10:56] <Henry151> and while I do use tarsnap to backup all my critical keyfiles and things, and have redundant paper and usb-thumb-drive copies of my tarsnap keys in safes and safety-deposit-boxes, that's only for "money data" not for my music or videos or pictures or other personal data
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• 463[04:11:43] <Henry151> so now i can have super redundant backups of all the stuff that *doesn't* matter too! woohoo
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• 465[04:13:23] <Henry151> don't know if "money data" is a term or not but i mean "data that I'd lose money if i lost it"
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• 468[04:16:38] <Henry151> of course while I trust tarsnap and Mr. Percival quite wholeheartedly, I also have backups of all the "money data" in physically redundant locations like safety deposit boxes as well, so that if he dies, or I die, my sister or nephew will be able to access any funds under my control
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• 470[04:18:55] <somiaj> glad you are figuring out how raid can best serve you.
• 471[04:19:10] <Henry151> i guess it's almost "off topic" for #debian, sorry folks
• 472[04:19:44] <Henry151> I *am* going to be installing debian when this next raid initialization completes :)
• 473[04:21:41] <Henry151> i also feel like this raid stuff is something i should have learned about years ago, and also, that owning a server is something I should have done years ago.. I have been renting two VPS's for the last 2 years and run debian on both of them, and on all three of my laptops
• 474[04:22:17] <Henry151> I guess my excuse has been that I've never lived anywhere with a decently fast internet connection, so it never made sense to have much hardware locally
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• 476[04:23:52] <Henry151> now I've got a gigabit connection.. But now I'm also going to have to learn a whole bunch of new stuff about how to configure my router and such so that I can use this server as a server (be able to access it remotely) without putting my whole network at risk
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• 480[04:24:55] <Henry151> for example I know how to serve a website from my VPS, but I am not sure, if I followed those same steps to serve it from home, if it would work or not, and if it did work, if it would be putting my home network's security at risk
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• 482[04:26:01] <dvs> Sounds like you need to look up iptables next
• 483[04:26:09] <Henry151> I do have another few spare routers around as well as 2 more of these poweredge 2900s , I wonder if I can configure myself a physical firewall of some sort
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• 486[04:26:32] <Henry151> and dvs yep, no real understanding of what iptables is/means
• 487[04:26:38] <aypea[1]> hmm. i've a server slowly running out of ram. sum of the RSS of all processes accounts for 500MB out of the 760MB currently used (from free used field). Where would the rest come from?
• 488[04:26:39] <Henry151> so that will be on the agenda
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• 494[04:31:16] <ksk> !linuxatemyram
• 495[04:31:19] <ksk> nope?
• 496[04:31:26] <aypea[1]> saw nothing
• 497[04:31:32] <ksk> aypea[1]: replaced-url
• 498[04:31:51] <aypea[1]> not a disk cache thing
• 499[04:32:26] <ksk> (there are other caches, aswell)
• 500[04:33:11] <aypea[1]> already tried drop_caches - it helped a little but not enough to be the cause.
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• 502[04:33:46] <ksk> I am not sure you have a problem at all, might be the sum of RRS is not everything there is? never looked that close..
• 503[04:34:39] <aypea[1]> yeah. it mightn't be but then I wonder what's left. I've already restarted the 3 big things that the server runs and that didn't help, either. outside of them there's nothing of note.
• 504[04:34:52] <ksk> -m in free is "mebibytes" btw.
• 505[04:35:17] <aypea[1]> not using -m :)
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• 507[04:36:05] <ksk> aypea[1]: also, from man free: "used Used memory (calculated as total - free - buffers - cache)"
• 508[04:36:23] <ksk> you will not see neither buffers or caches via PS, as far as I can tell..
• 509[04:36:36] <aypea[1]> right. so buffers and cache are taken into account.
• 510[04:37:01] <ksk> as they are shown in free, you could calculate the real thing yourself I suppse.
• 511[04:37:31] <ksk> (and again, having linux using up ram for caches and buffers is not a bad thing)
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• 514[04:38:20] <Henry151> dvs: would you care to give me some info about iptables "in your own words"? I'm reading about it elsewhere but there are a lot of different places to read and things to grasp and i feel like you might be able to summarize briefly for me what it is, why i'll need to learn about it, or how i might use it, so that I can more rapidly find the information relevant to me
• 515[04:38:24] <aypea[1]> don't care about caches and buffers. they are not the issue and the used field already discards them from its total.
• 516[04:38:28] <ksk> Henry151: normally, your home devices would be behind a routers NAT, and therefore not exposed at all (in contrast to a webserver you put up a port fording up or so..)
• 517[04:39:10] <ksk> !tell Henry151 about iptables
• 518[04:39:41] <ksk> you could call it a firewall, if you are coming from the windows world. (but thats a little unprecise)
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• 521[04:40:54] <Henry151> currently, i use ssh tunnelling, where my home machines have autossh connections one of my VPS, and after much struggle I've got it so I can connect to my VPS from my tablet or from my laptop when I'm connected to the internet at some random other access point, and then tunnel to my home devices, and access them using VNC
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• 526[04:42:06] <Henry151> but i would like to use this server as a webserver as well, from home, so i would like to set up whatever port forwarding is necessary to have it able to serve websites to the public, in such a way that my home network is still secure
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• 531[04:43:14] <Henry151> i want to host some things like, a cloud storage system for my family members to store their media on my server, and things like that
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• 533[04:44:23] <Henry151> i'm also going to want to be running a bitcoin full node on this server, and possibly nodes for other cryptocurrencies such as monero
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• 535[04:46:06] <Henry151> the one thing for sure, I'll need to take my time to make sure i do things right, so that i never endanger my security.. I feel like there are a lot of "known unknowns" but very few "unknown unknowns" I hope, and so I'm usually able to maintain very strong security despite my ignorance of so many aspects of computer security. The things that I "know that I know" keep me safe.
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• 537[04:47:11] <ksk> Henry151: good talk :)
• 538[04:48:31] <Henry151> like for example, I once had all my backups on one of my VPS, and was also hosting a website on that vps. I don't know what i did wrong, but someone compromised that VPS and installed a cryptocurrency miner to use up my extra system resources. I didn't even notice I'd been compromised for almost 4 months. But When I did, I still knew all my data was safe, because I had never uploaded anything sensitive
• 539[04:48:37] <Henry151> to the VPS without first encrypting it with PGP encryption locally, and had never uploaded my PGP keys to the server.
• 540[04:50:10] <Henry151> i was a little scared, but also, when SSH-ing from the VPS to my home machines through an SSH tunnel, the password needed to use the SSH keys on the VPS were very strong, 26-character passphrases made of non-dictionary elements.
• 541[04:50:42] <Henry151> so I was confident that even though the VPS had been compromised, none of my sensitive data was exposed, and the attacker wasn't able to access my home machines.
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• 543[04:50:54] <ksk> if you did ssh-key-forwarding, the private key might be known to the attacker now.
• 544[04:51:20] <ksk> Henry151: thats most likely not a human attacker, but just a random bot using a random exploit bundled with a random cryptominer..
• 545[04:53:26] <Henry151> that sounds likely. Though I think it may have been someone from IRC; after I first set up the website (hosted with nginx) I had shared the URL in ##spoonfed (full of pen-tester types) and said "hey, if anybody wants to take a crack at my VPS to see if I have any security gaps, go for it"... so i always suspected that it was in response to that request, that I got compromised
• 546[04:53:52] <dvs> Well, that was unwise.
• 547[04:54:04] <ksk> if you did things right, you would not really get rooted by having a faulty webapp.
• 548[04:54:05] <Henry151> yeah, agreed.
• 549[04:54:54] <Henry151> I must have done something wrong. I was upset enough about it that I spun up a new VPS, and set everything up all over again on the new vps, and turned off the old one
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• 551[04:55:50] <Henry151> but, again, the ssh key on the VPS that would allow it access to my home systems, had a very strong password, so I have pretty high confidence that any attacker, having compromised the VPS, would still not be able to access my home machinnes
• 552[04:56:08] <Henry151> if that confidence is misplaced, I would love to hear about it of course
• 553[04:56:40] <ksk> if your machine was rooted, you logged in there, entered a passphrase for a key - the key and the passphrase are now burned.
• 554[04:56:40] <nesta> o_0
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• 556[04:57:48] <Henry151> ksk: in the aftermath of that mess, I generated all new SSH keys all around
• 557[04:59:21] <nesta> did you also remove the backdoor?
• 558[04:59:44] <Henry151> the attacker left some traces, I saw in bash history what looked to be his footsteps; it looked like he just ran a couple commands to determine how much of my system resources were going unused, and then installed the cryptominer
• 559[04:59:52] <Henry151> nesta: well, i removed the entire VPS
• 560[05:00:02] <nesta> i mean from your home machines/network
• 561[05:00:05] <Henry151> started over.
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• 563[05:00:41] <Henry151> i've seen no indication that my home machines or network are compromised; though they certainly could be, i suppose
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• 567[05:00:57] <nesta> one would hope not
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• 570[05:01:52] <Henry151> at the time, come to think of it, I wasn't using that VPS for the ssh tunnel to home thing... it did have an SSH key to my home machines, but i don't think i even typed in the passsphrase to that key between when the VPS was compromised and when i discovered the attack
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• 574[05:02:41] <ksk> you can restrict an ssh key/user to not get a shell, only being able to do tunneling.
• 575[05:03:09] <ksk> but seems you more likely need a security consultant instead of support from #debian if I may say so.
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• 581[05:04:16] <Henry151> well, i'm pretty happy with my security, though you have pointed out gaps in my thought process
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• 584[05:05:16] <ksk> If you have specific question, feel free to ask.
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• 586[05:05:44] <Henry151> like, it hadn't occurred to me to think that the guy who compromised my VPS, may have also from there, compromised my home network, and may have from there, been able to copy my PGP key and keylog my passphrase for that, and therefore be able to decrypt the pgp encrypted files that were exposed to him when he compromised the VPS
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• 588[05:05:50] <Henry151> ksk: thanks.
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• 593[05:08:00] <Henry151> I do think I know how he initially compromised the VPS; I had enabled password authentication briefly, to let myself access the VPS from a foreign computer, because I needed to download some pictures I had backed up there to a friend's laptop for her, since htey were her photos.. then I forgot to disable password authentiaction, leaving it open to people trying to guess the password for several weeks,
• 594[05:08:06] <Henry151> with a relatively weak password. It was during those several weeks that the attacker installed the cryptominer.
• 595[05:08:21] <Henry151> pardon the typos
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• 597[05:09:48] <Henry151> i sure freaked out when i found it. I was like "nuke everything! all has been lost!"
• 598[05:10:30] <r1nt3c_> ls -a
• 599[05:10:35] <r1nt3c_> sorry misstake
• 600[05:11:37] <Henry151> anyway sorry for being so off-topic in here.. dvs did you want to tell me a bit about basic iptables configuration, or link me somewhere? or just leave me to my googling
• 601[05:12:53] <ksk> Henry151: protip: you setup a machine with ssh port 22 and a weak root password -> hacked in < 24h
• 602[05:13:09] <ksk> even without you sharing the password ( on an internet routed machine that is, of course)
• 603[05:13:16] <ksk> eh, sharing the hostname I mean.
• 604[05:13:50] <Henry151> even with password authentication disabled?
• 605[05:13:58] <ksk> Henry151: no harm done at that late hour, nobody else seems to need attention.
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• 607[05:14:39] <ksk> Henry151: if you have (ssh) password authentication disabled, one could not login with a password even if one knew it.
• 608[05:15:01] <Henry151> right, so that's how i keep my VPS now
• 609[05:15:05] <annadane> off topic isn't *quite* so bad if no one else has actual questions that are being pushed off screen
• 610[05:15:08] <Henry151> and even before
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• 612[05:15:57] <Henry151> annadane: i've been chastised in here a couple times for drifting too far off topic so I do try to be careful.
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• 617[05:17:47] <dvs> Henry151, I can't find a recent document about iptables. I see that iptables is being replaced by nftables in buster.
• 618[05:17:49] <Henry151> i'm pretty sure that it was by enabling ssh password authentication that i compromised that security of that vps that one time, but i'm also fairly confident that they didn't even get root access; it looked like everything they did was done from my user account, and i didn't have sudo set up on that machine, i used su -c "command" whenever i would use sudo
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• 620[05:18:39] <ksk> might be Henry151, but someone getting root on your box can replace all logs (and all binaries..) to make things look like they want it to look.
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• 622[05:19:35] <ksk> so it *could* be someone hacked you via a nice linux 0day exploit, and just added something to bash_history and added an succesful auth entry into your sshd logfile.
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• 631[05:23:29] <Henry151> these thoughts are scary, but you're absolutely
• 632[05:23:32] <Henry151> right.
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• 634[05:24:22] <password4> hi there
• 635[05:25:25] * dvs uses password4's password!
• 636[05:25:31] <password4> :O
• 637[05:25:41] *** password4 is now known as password8
• 638[05:25:44] <password8> :P
• 639[05:26:03] <password8> so my apt-sources is complaining that it can't find this source :
• 640[05:26:04] <password8> deb replaced-url
• 641[05:26:05] <dvs> damn!
• 642[05:26:33] <dvs> !wheezy sources.list
• 643[05:26:34] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
• 644[05:26:42] <dvs> Yeah, it's been archived.
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• 647[05:26:54] <password8> oh thanx
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• 650[05:28:30] <password8> must i update the wheezy-updates too?
• 651[05:28:50] <dvs> nope.
• 652[05:28:57] <dvs> There's only one line now.
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• 654[05:29:09] <password8> oh , so the rest i ought to remoce
• 655[05:29:11] <password8> ok doki
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• 658[05:30:15] <password8> i should probably sometime upgrade my server :P
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• 661[05:30:47] <dvs> Upgrade it twice and then again in about a month.
• 662[05:31:01] <password8> dist upgrade?
• 663[05:31:33] <dvs> There are upgrade instructions in the jessie and stretch release notes.
• 664[05:31:47] <Henry151> so, on this machine i'm typing on now, i'm running stretch
• 665[05:32:34] <Henry151> is stretch the "absolute state-of-the-art latest version of debian"? or is there some other, newer, "testing" version or "unstable" version or something, that i'm missing out on?
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• 668[05:33:16] <dvs> stretch is the latest recommended version of Debian
• 669[05:33:52] <dvs> buster will be released in a month or so so that will become the recommended version.
• 670[05:34:14] <Henry151> ok. So is it equivalent to running "stable" than? where running buster now would be running "unstable"?
• 671[05:34:20] <Henry151> or is buster just not available at all yet
• 672[05:35:16] <dvs> buster is currently testing/frozen. There are still bugs that are preventing it from being released.
• 673[05:35:27] <Henry151> ok, thanks.
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• 675[05:36:05] <jmcnaught> testing and unstable have various caveats that make them unsuitable for use on servers
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• 677[05:36:36] <Henry151> certainly i will be installing a stable version on my new server
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• 679[05:37:28] <Henry151> but on this laptop, my primary every-day use machine, i'm tempted to look into unstable just to be using the "newest and best" and get to try out any fancy new stuff sooner
• 680[05:37:42] <Henry151> i probably won't, though.
• 681[05:37:44] <annadane> feel free, just have a backup plan if (when) things break
• 682[05:37:49] <jmcnaught> !moving target
• 683[05:37:49] <dpkg> Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
• 684[05:38:43] <Henry151> i fell in love with debian at 13 ... i feel like i should at the very least, install testing on one of my spare laptops, just to play with it
• 685[05:39:05] <password4> :X
• 686[05:39:14] <Henry151> i'm 27 now for reference... so i've managed to use debian every day for 14 years and still be this ignorant
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• 689[05:40:08] <jmcnaught> Henry151: testing is frozen right now, so it doesn't change very much except for getting bug fixes. I use it on my laptop.
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• 691[05:40:19] <Henry151> it was love at first sight... the documentation, i fell in love with debian just looking at the docs, before i ever installed it anywhere
• 692[05:40:30] <jmcnaught> it doesn't have security support so security flaws are sometimes a little slower to get patched
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• 694[05:41:13] <annadane> i flip flop to different distros all the time but there's something nice about the fact you can be lazy with debian and have things work
• 695[05:41:13] <Henry151> hm... security is important to me, so at least for my primary-use machine i should probably stick to stable. But I'll definitely upgrade one of my other laptops to testing
• 696[05:41:18] <annadane> debian stable, anyway
• 697[05:41:54] <Henry151> i've been glancing over at arch every once in a while but still never actually tried it out.. other than that, I've only used other distros for very specific use-cases
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• 699[05:43:52] <Henry151> like, linux mint for my techno-illiterate family members who still want to try out linux for some reason; then i also keep acouple live usb thumbdrives around, with like, tails and kali and one with "liberte linux" just for fun .. more and more i find that I don't need any of them, that i can do anything i want to do, straight from debian
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• 703[05:44:28] <annadane> yeah easier if you have multiple computers. i should probably stop constantly changing on my single desktop pc :P
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• 706[05:44:37] <annadane> i'm sure all the writes don't help hardware life
• 707[05:45:14] <OldParr> can i point a dns to sites.google.com/view/brillo wit a cname record?
• 708[05:45:26] <Henry151> i do like the way the kali live usb allows me to boot up in "forensics mode" where it won't mount any drives or do anything to the computer it's plugged in to, without explicit directions from the end user
• 709[05:45:32] <dvs> annadane, I have three OS's on my desktop.
• 710[05:46:16] <Henry151> i used to want to have dual-boot, so that I could have windows for video games, but I've grown more and more averse to windows, and less interested in video games
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• 712[05:46:23] <annadane> yeah i can multiboot but i like the space of one os per computer
• 713[05:46:45] <annadane> that said i'm just irrationally scared of partitioning so maybe that's why
• 714[05:47:15] <Henry151> i was thinking about setting up this server with like, 8 OSes, one per 2-TB hard-drive, but then i decided that would be just stupid and threw the whole idea out the window
• 715[05:47:30] <dvs> good move
• 716[05:47:34] <Henry151> i've just never had so much hardware to play with before
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• 719[05:49:10] <Henry151> i went from having only laptops, all my life, (with maybe one or two lame small desktops that i happened upon), to now i acquired three poweredge 2900 servers at once (only cost me $300, and came with some extra ram, some extra cpus, two nice scanner/printer combos, anwhole bunch of hard drives
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• 722[05:49:49] <Henry151> delivered to my door, $300 all in, came with a monitor too
• 723[05:50:01] <Henry151> i just couldn't not buy it
• 724[05:50:11] <annadane> let's try not to push the question someone has off screen with *too* much off topic
• 725[05:50:36] <jmcnaught> why not move the discussion to #debian-offtopic?
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• 727[05:50:57] <Henry151> point taken, shutting up, sorry, i'm such a talker.
• 728[05:51:29] <ksk> OldParr: not a debian question, rally. you are seem to be mixing the DomainNameSystem and HTTP (short: no)
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• 730[05:52:10] <ksk> you can make it point to sites.google.com (but not put a location onto that, as that is HTTP-foo)
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• 732[05:52:56] <OldParr> ksk: thnks
• 733[05:53:50] <annadane> i guess 1 TB is still kinda the standard but it'd be cool to just buy a massive computer with insane specs
• 734[05:55:09] <annadane> that said with linux you can get lots of mileage off less than incredible hardware
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• 832[08:01:06] <alphazulu> is there a command to copy contents of a file to clipboard from the CLI?
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• 835[08:01:58] <hejux> btw, i use arch.
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• 841[08:11:53] <mixu> alphazulu, xclip?
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• 949[09:54:03] <Battaglin> any news about 10 release ?
• 950[09:54:10] <Battaglin> how many bugs left ?
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• 964[10:00:30] <EdePopede> 116 replaced-url
• 965[10:00:43] <EdePopede> they were again on 119 yesterday
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• 967[10:02:14] <EdePopede> now that's optimistic replaced-url
• 968[10:02:22] <EdePopede> didn't google give up on spectre?
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• 985[10:21:28] <ShiftCatL> Hi
• 986[10:21:35] <ShiftCatL> I'm looking for Mark Shuttleworth
• 987[10:21:39] <ShiftCatL> Has anyone seen him
• 988[10:21:41] <ShiftCatL> ?
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• 1001[10:28:56] <Henry151> first i'm being offtopic in the ontopic channel; but now i've been accused of being ontopic in the offtopic channel, so i'm back in here again
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• 1004[10:29:08] <dabbler> haha
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• 1006[10:29:21] <hejux> lmao
• 1007[10:29:27] <Henry151> i'm trying to do the partitioning in the graphical installer at the moment
• 1008[10:29:50] <Henry151> and i usually just do guided and leave it all default and have one partition
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• 1010[10:29:54] <ShiftCatL> Henry151, How you been man?
• 1011[10:29:59] <dabbler> i'm new around here, but i'd hope that would be considered on-topic!
• 1012[10:30:02] <ShiftCatL> Haven't seen you in 9 years
• 1013[10:30:06] <Henry151> howdy ShiftCatL ,I'm great
• 1014[10:30:13] <Henry151> 9 years??!?!?
• 1015[10:30:16] <hejux> Henry151:btw, i use Arch.
• 1016[10:30:25] <ShiftCatL> Hows your cat? still drinking that milk I see
• 1017[10:30:26] <dabbler> hahaha oh
• 1018[10:31:10] <ShiftCatL> Henry151 you do remember me right?
• 1019[10:31:19] <ShiftCatL> You said we would be best friends forever :(
• 1020[10:31:23] <hejux> troll?
• 1021[10:31:43] <jelly> !seen sabdfl
• 1022[10:31:43] <dpkg> i haven't seen 'sabdfl', jelly
• 1023[10:31:50] <Henry151> i'm not sure that i do, to be honest. Though your name looks slightly familiar.
• 1024[10:32:00] <ShiftCatL> Do people still troll these days?
• 1025[10:32:00] <Henry151> But this is off topic!!!!
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• 1027[10:32:02] <hejux> kick him out! just god damn kick him out
• 1028[10:32:03] <jelly> ShiftCatL: keep this channel for tech support please,
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• 1032[10:32:35] <dabbler> Henry151: and like that, you're back to off-topic XD
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• 1036[10:32:54] <jelly> ShiftCatL: there's a ##chat channel for casual chat or #debian-offtopic if you hang out in here
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• 1039[10:33:30] <Henry151> Ok, support, on topic, i want to do the separate /home /var and /tmp partitions, i chose guided partitioning, but now I want to modify the sizes of those partitions, is that possible through the guided partitiioning interface or do i have to do manual partitioning to set sizes?
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• 1041[10:33:47] <ShiftCatL> I have an odor coming from my Vag
• 1042[10:34:03] <dabbler> well that clarifies the trolling situation
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• 1057[10:35:41] <hejux> great, thanks Jelly
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• 1061[10:36:11] <joze> is buster relased now?
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• 1063[10:36:17] <jelly> joze: nope
• 1064[10:36:17] <Henry151> anyway, i'm going to need help one way or the other -- with guided partitioning, I can't figure out how to adjust the sizes of the partitions; with manual partitioning, I'm scared, sounds like i'll have to specify everything manually
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• 1066[10:36:47] <hejux> Henry151:just use manual.
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• 1068[10:37:04] <abrotman> is buster released now?
• 1069[10:37:07] <hejux> it is pretty easy to understand
• 1070[10:37:34] <hejux> abrotman:not yet... there are 100+ bugs waiting for resolve
• 1071[10:37:54] <abrotman> so it'll be a few hours?
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• 1075[10:39:51] <jelly> !rc bugs
• 1076[10:39:51] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at replaced-url
• 1077[10:40:11] <hejux> abrotman:why are you asking about the release date now?
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• 1079[10:40:28] <hejux> is there news saying it is releasing today?
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• 1081[10:40:43] <abrotman> sooner if I help, eh? :)
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• 1083[10:41:11] <Henry151> so, seriously, there's no way to just use guided partitioning, but then adjust the sizes of the different partitions?
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• 1086[10:41:38] <abrotman> Did you try selecting the partition and changing the size? can you take a screenshot to show us what you're looking at?
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• 1091[10:42:44] <dabbler> newb to APT configuration here (everything other than adding sources), read the apt_preferences man page but having some trouble following it. I have stretch installed, and have added stretch-backports and testing to my sources.list. The behavior I'd like to achieve is as follows: no automatic updates between releases, but automatic updates within releases. Is that the default behavior described in the man page? Or will I need to set som
• 1092[10:42:44] <dabbler> e priorites?
• 1093[10:42:55] <jelly> Henry151: the closest thing I've seen is to use Guided partitioning and Set up LVM, and in buster installer, it asks you how much space to use for Guided and the rest is left free, so later you can extend any filesystem as you like
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• 1098[10:43:41] <abrotman> dabbler: why would you add testing?
• 1099[10:43:42] <Henry151> ok i've got it sorted out now actually, i figured it out between when i last asked and now :) thanks for the help though
• 1100[10:44:13] <abrotman> dabbler: it's generally considered better to build your own backports instead of mixing stable/testing
• 1101[10:44:26] <abrotman> (where possible)
• 1102[10:44:32] <jelly> dabbler: pinning and preferences will NOT prevent messing up your install if you add sources for a newer release
• 1103[10:44:42] <dabbler> abrotman: because i need a newer version of a package than is in stable and which hasn't been backported
• 1104[10:44:48] <dabbler> jelly: i understand
• 1105[10:45:01] <abrotman> dabbler: which package is that?
• 1106[10:45:08] <dabbler> abrotman: netatalk
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• 1108[10:45:21] <jelly> !ssb
• 1109[10:45:21] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1110[10:45:22] <abrotman> judd: versions netatalk
• 1111[10:45:23] <judd> Package: netatalk on amd64 -- stretch: 2.2.5-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.5-2+deb9u1; buster: 3.1.12~ds-3; sid: 3.1.12~ds-3
• 1112[10:45:27] <jelly> dabbler: ^
• 1113[10:45:32] <jelly> ,checkbackport netatalk
• 1114[10:45:35] <abrotman> two lines above, not my rubbish :)
• 1115[10:45:45] <judd> Backporting package netatalk in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtracker-miner-2.0-dev, libtracker-sparql-2.0-dev.
• 1116[10:45:55] <jelly> looks a bit nontrivial
• 1117[10:46:03] <jelly> ,checkbackport libtracker-miner-2.0-dev
• 1118[10:46:04] <judd> Backporting package libtracker-miner-2.0-dev in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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• 1120[10:46:18] <jelly> so probably you'll need to backport all three.
• 1121[10:46:34] <dabbler> ok
• 1122[10:46:35] <abrotman> but that's still far better than mixing releases
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• 1124[10:47:10] <jelly> mixing in a NEWER release results almost certainly in an unsupportable mess
• 1125[10:47:21] <jelly> mixing in an OLDER release is not that scary.
• 1126[10:49:59] <Henry151> well i didn't get it right... I resized the home partition down to give myself like 135GB of free space to mess with, figuring i could add it to the other partitions.. I go to edit the other partitions sizes and each says they're at their max size already. For example, trying to resize the /tmp partition it says "the minimum size for this partition is 70.9 MB and its maximum size is 2.0GB"
• 1127[10:52:11] <jelly> guided partitioning is... problematic
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• 1130[10:56:39] <dabbler> alright, i'll go ahead with building from source on OBS instead of using testing. but a few related Qs: 1) am I right in guessing that APT's default behavior is that packages won't automatically update from stable to backports, so i don't need to worry about priorities for that? 2) would it be more canonical for me to label the release for the built package stretch or stretch-backports?
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• 1133[10:58:33] <dabbler> I'm guessing the latter is probably a trivial point, but i'm trying to learn
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• 1135[10:58:52] <Henry151> the guided partitioning didn't seem to be creating any /boot
• 1136[10:59:11] <Henry151> i'm trying to do it all manually now but i don't know what to do
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• 1138[10:59:32] <Henry151> what should i make the first and primary partition be?
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• 1140[10:59:41] <abrotman> dabbler: if you follow the instructions for the backports, it wil not automagically use the backports versions 2) I don't think it matters TBH, as long as you know you've deviated
• 1141[11:00:18] <EdePopede> Henry151: i always had /boot as the first partition. just for the case i want to add a 2nd OS to the disk. seems logical.
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• 1145[11:01:12] <EdePopede> and then out of old habit with all those limits the design brought to us. wanted to have it as near to the start as possible.
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• 1147[11:02:07] <Henry151> I've got 2TB, I want a 50GB /, a 50GB /var, a 50GB /tmp, 50GB swap, and the rest as home
• 1148[11:02:42] <Henry151> but i'm scared that i'll be doing stupid things because i have never partitioned a drive manually before at all, always just used guided and left everything at defaults
• 1149[11:03:15] <Henry151> how big should /boot be?
• 1150[11:03:18] <abrotman> a) Use LVM b) you don't need to allocate it all today
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• 1152[11:03:44] <dabbler> Henry151: if you don't have any data on the disk that you care to preserve, what do you have to lose? i've found gdisk pretty user-friendly
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• 1154[11:04:29] <mixu> do you required a separate /boot?
• 1155[11:04:29] <Henry151> i am so ignorant, but for one thing, what's gdisk/ and for another, I thought LVM was only a thing if i was doing the full disk encryption, is it separate from that?
• 1156[11:04:40] <dabbler> it's independent
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• 1158[11:04:57] <Henry151> mixu: I do not know... i do only intend to run one OS
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• 1161[11:05:51] <EdePopede> Henry151: would it shock you if i told you that i'm still running from my old 80GB? ;)
• 1162[11:05:53] <dabbler> the advantage to having a separate boot, as i understand it, is that borking your root partition won't prevent you from booting the kernel if you have a separate boot partition
• 1163[11:05:57] <abrotman> Henry151: also, let's be honest .. you have no data on the disk? if you mess it up, try again
• 1164[11:06:08] <abrotman> hooray learning
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• 1166[11:06:18] <EdePopede> a put all the big data to its own disk, but everything mentioned in the fhs and in partitioning guides is on that disk
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• 1168[11:06:33] <dabbler> gdisk is the GPT equivalent of fdisk
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• 1170[11:07:01] <EdePopede> gdisk gives you GPT, which is a nice thing to have and can handle disks of >2TB
• 1171[11:07:06] <Henry151> hooray, learning i agree, there's nothing on there that matters... but i've already restarted this install process 4 times, it's 5am, I am itching to have a functioning system under my fingertips
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• 1174[11:07:23] <dabbler> I'd make my swap partition a lot smaller than 50 GB, personally
• 1175[11:07:24] <Henry151> i also want to do it right
• 1176[11:07:28] <Henry151> so that i won't be cursing myself later.
• 1177[11:07:44] <Henry151> i have extra space out the wazoo
• 1178[11:08:03] <EdePopede> Henry151: maybe it would save you some of the work if you'd go through the process in theory first and do it step by step. just like now deciding how you want the partitioning to be.
• 1179[11:08:10] <abrotman> Henry151: again, use LVM
• 1180[11:08:22] <dabbler> GPT also means you don't have to mess with extended partitions if you have more than 4 of them
• 1181[11:08:36] <Henry151> this 2TB is already more than i think i could really use up, and I've got another 6TB to play with
• 1182[11:09:02] <dabbler> one of the advantages of LVM is that you can change the sizes of your volumes without partitioning the disk
• 1183[11:09:04] <Henry151> abrotman: so, how do i use LVM? what does that mean in the context of, how to get past the "partition disks" section of the debian installer?
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• 1186[11:09:35] <abrotman> it should be part of that section .. you realyl should read the install guide
• 1187[11:09:57] <EdePopede> dabbler: yepp, it was annoying in the past sometimes when all the 4 entries were gone and one of the primary partitions showed up as being too small on the long term. or when some data partition was full and DATA(!) had to be moved to some place it never belonged.
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• 1192[11:11:10] <Henry151> i think i should just go to bed and do it tomorrow... this is only like the 600th time i've installed debian i should be able to write a goddamn guide by now not be in here asking stupid questions and slamming my head against the wall
• 1193[11:12:01] <EdePopede> those decisions are a thing everytime you have to make them
• 1194[11:12:12] <mixu> sleep fixes many things
• 1195[11:12:17] <EdePopede> but freeing your head is maybe not the worst idea :)
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• 1204[11:15:53] <Henry151> so if i choose the LVM option, I can adjust the sizes after the installation is complete?
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• 1207[11:16:38] <dabbler> Henry151: :) for tomorrow: LVM adds an abstraction layer between physical partitions and the volumes containing your filesystems. it allows those volumes to span multiple physical partitions or disks, and you can resize volumes easily, as long as the total sizes of volumes don't exceed the total size of the partition(s) LVM is using
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• 1210[11:17:31] <dabbler> basically, under the hood, LVM can store a volume's data discontiguously on disk
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• 1213[11:17:51] <jelly> Henry151: yes, but only buster installer gives you the option NOT to use the whole disk space
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• 1217[11:19:10] <Henry151> thanks, now i'm going to really go to bed.. I chose LVM, separate home/var/tmp, clicked continue, like alright, lets just do this, i can fix the sizes later, great... then the next thing pops up says "Installation step failed: The failing step is: Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk"
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• 1219[11:19:31] <Henry151> i remember seeing that once before and being miserable for many hours before i figured it out
• 1220[11:19:39] <Henry151> so I'm going to bed and gonna deal with it tomorrow.
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• 1223[11:20:15] <Henry151> thanks for all the help though folks hopefully you'll see me in here tomorrow night
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• 1228[11:22:10] <dabbler> Henry151: you're welcome. sleep well
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• 1231[11:27:19] <dabbler> ,checkbackport libtracker-sparql-2.0-dev
• 1232[11:27:21] <judd> Backporting package libtracker-sparql-2.0-dev in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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• 1261[11:47:31] <Henry151> ok guys i can't go to bed because i'm stubborn. I found some stuff to indicate what might be happening with grub install failing, by pressing alt+f4
• 1262[11:48:12] <Henry151> chroot: can't execute 'grub-probe': no such file or directory
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• 1266[11:49:33] <Henry151> then several lines all similar to "File descriptor 3 (pipe:[1314]) leaked on lvdisplay invocation. Parent PID 15847: /bin/sh" (several of them with /dev/tty1 instead of pipe:[1314])
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• 1268[11:50:26] <Henry151> then it says "Volume group "sda" not found, and "cannot process volume group sda"
• 1269[11:50:47] <Henry151> sounds like i didn't get the partitioning done right, so grub can't find my disk
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• 1278[11:57:26] <EdePopede> ,f bin/grub-probe
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• 1280[11:57:43] <EdePopede> hm. no?
• 1281[11:57:56] <EdePopede> ,f sbin/grub-probe
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• 1285[11:58:46] <EdePopede> Henry151: is that package (or the file) available? grub-common: /usr/sbin/grub-probe
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• 1300[12:02:34] <menace> EdePopede, yes: replaced-url
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• 1302[12:02:47] <menace> ah, on Henry151s system.. sorry
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• 1304[12:03:42] <menace> posting "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/grub-probe ; dpkg -l grub-common" might help :-)
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• 1310[12:07:05] <AnononA> hi ive just dont a tri boot and now debian on boot says a start job is running dev-disk-somenumbers.. now from what ive read this is a UUID problem fstab gives me this
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• 1312[12:07:10] <AnononA> replaced-url
• 1313[12:08:08] <AnononA> evan tho diffrent hardrives i noticed the swap come up when writing partition info thru install procces of the other hard disk
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• 1325[12:10:57] <AnononA> sda5 and sdb5 are both swap drives and seem there might be conflict
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• 1330[12:12:31] <AnononA> is there a method of updating partition almost like update-grub or do i have to manually change the uuids to fstab
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• 1335[12:14:44] <EdePopede> AnononA: `fdisk -l /dev/disk/by uuid` and then you can simply copypaste the correct uuid into fstab (and as usual, don't forget to make a backup first)
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• 1337[12:15:40] <EdePopede> /dev/disk/by-uuid
• 1338[12:15:56] <EdePopede> *sigh*
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• 1340[12:16:03] <EdePopede> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
• 1341[12:16:41] <EdePopede> this whole partition thing was irritating me somehow. coffeetime.
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• 1362[12:27:38] <Night_Elf> AnononAgramA: Probably, that's because installation2 finds the same swappartition that installation1 had setup and then reformats it. And proceeds all good. When installation1 boots up, it doesn't find what it expects anymore, so it waits.
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• 1364[12:27:49] <Night_Elf> AnononA: ^
• 1365[12:28:36] <AnononA> Awsome thanks guys
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• 1367[12:28:56] <AnononA> much appreciated for the info made a backup about to test
• 1368[12:28:58] <AnononA> brb
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• 1370[12:29:15] <Night_Elf> What you can do is use different swap partitions for the different installations. Or, once all installations are finished, you just set it manually to the correct UUID, for both of them
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• 1376[12:31:29] <abrotman> or use swap files instead of partitions
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• 1409[13:01:53] <AnononA> ok so ive swapped the swaps
• 1410[13:03:05] <AnononA> start job disk-dev is no longer but boot takes a while and cleans files every time also i saw not waiting for then procceeded with boot
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• 1414[13:05:01] <Night_Elf> AnononA: What do you mean 'cleans files everytime ? Where ?
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• 1417[13:05:55] <AnononA> other OS being debian based.has device not found on boot and its fstab says the same as blkid does well matched up with what fstab lists anyway
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• 1419[13:06:11] <AnononA> it happens pretty quick where would i see that log
• 1420[13:06:46] <AnononA> debian hangs on the white blink top left corner i see cleaning files and no longer waiting then boot
• 1421[13:06:53] <AnononA> need to look as log to see what the rest sayd
• 1422[13:07:03] <AnononA> not sure what long will tell me same boot errors
• 1423[13:07:10] <AnononA> log *
• 1424[13:07:55] <AnononA> there seperate swaps byt the way debian has one other os has one diffrent size aswell
• 1425[13:09:02] <Night_Elf> It says "cleaning files" ? And also that 'device not found', you should get to know what device is that. If debian doesn't interfere anywhere on the other os's partitions and filesystems, I wonder what files does it clean.
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• 1427[13:09:30] <AnononA> how would i find out
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• 1429[13:09:38] <AnononA> is there a log to see start up msg
• 1430[13:09:50] <AnononA> i can boot into all OS's
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• 1432[13:10:23] <AnononA> just little slower then normal and well error and clean ill restart and try grab asmuch info as i can surely there is a log somewhere for this tho
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• 1434[13:11:13] <Night_Elf> You can check what swap partition is being used by: cat /proc/swaps
• 1435[13:11:39] <Night_Elf> The logs all are usually in /var/log/*
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• 1442[13:14:28] <Night_Elf> You could check the /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages
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• 1455[13:18:52] <AnononA> syslog ?
• 1456[13:19:08] <AnononA> just saw your msg
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• 1465[13:24:31] <Night_Elf> There should be a file /var/log/syslog
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• 1471[13:30:46] <AnononA> ive found it but there is alot of info trying to siv thru saw activating swap and the uuid is was changed but no additional info on it
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• 1478[13:33:55] <Night_Elf> But the UUID was correct as it should be from blkid and from what is in /etc/fstab ?
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• 1480[13:34:25] <AnononA> correct
• 1481[13:34:33] <AnononA> ill paste bin both
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• 1483[13:35:41] <Night_Elf> Also I suppose that cat /proc/swaps shows the same partition in use?
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• 1487[13:36:35] <xevilstar> hello fellow debianinsts, I need the app_java module loaded and working into my kamailio. Since there is no such module for kamailio 5 in the repos, I have downloaded the same kamailio version sources and then successfully compiled the module source. I have copied the resulting app_java.so into my kamailio modules path and configured the app_java module into my kamailio configuration file.
• 1488[13:37:04] <AnononA> replaced-url
• 1489[13:37:26] <xevilstar> my problem is that kamailio gives an error: app_java.so: undefined symbol: JNI_CreateJavaVM and then crashes
• 1490[13:37:33] <xevilstar> what can I do ?
• 1491[13:38:12] <AnononA> it shows
• 1492[13:38:21] <AnononA> devsdb5
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• 1494[13:38:34] <AnononA> had to get rid of / or it would not send
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• 1496[13:38:53] <Bushmaster> hi just inquiring, does anyone set up a apache webserver in Debian
• 1497[13:39:07] <Night_Elf> I suppose that acording to blkid that is the correct one.
• 1498[13:39:17] <xevilstar> ah almost forgot I use buster
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• 1500[13:39:42] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: I have
• 1501[13:40:19] <AnononA> see in fstab it shows eeror remount
• 1502[13:40:22] <xevilstar> in fact I prefer Debian when it comes to apache (I love how easy it is to set virtualhosts)
• 1503[13:40:41] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, in the past I set it up for sharing file between computers, smart phone both internal IP and external one and it worked fine, now I am trying to set it up in my Debian, and it is not working
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• 1507[13:41:20] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: expand the "not working" concept
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• 1509[13:41:45] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, this is the link I previously followed to set it up and it worked fine but now i repeated the same procedures over dozens time and it sill wont work replaced-url
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• 1511[13:42:47] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: replaced-url
• 1512[13:43:12] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, if you check that website, you will know what i did, there are two files, that modified, basically showed the path and saved it, and then restart apache, it comes with same page 'It works' when it suppose to take me to my directory lists etc
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• 1514[13:43:43] <Night_Elf> AnononA: What does the error say ?
• 1515[13:44:50] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, this is bit advance for me
• 1516[13:45:04] <AnononA> errors=remount-ro 0 1
• 1517[13:45:06] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: use Seafile
• 1518[13:45:30] <Bushmaster> I glance through the link you provided, it sounds very advance
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• 1523[13:46:00] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: it's a step by step copy and paste kind of thing don't worry
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• 1525[13:46:02] <xevilstar> :)
• 1526[13:46:06] <Night_Elf> AnononA: The line at the /etc/fstab for the swapfile should be something like this:
• 1527[13:46:10] <Bushmaster> I just want to share my files,. like people do in drop box via apache, i did it in the past but it is not working which i do not understand
• 1528[13:46:10] <Night_Elf> UUID=06d61c03-ff2f-4792-b66d-4e2a4a4043bb none swap sw 0 0
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• 1530[13:46:24] <Night_Elf> (of course, change it with your own UUID)
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• 1532[13:46:40] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: it is nothing like dropbox it will be your server
• 1533[13:47:00] <xevilstar> follow the man
• 1534[13:47:16] <Bushmaster> well, xevilstar it wont work, cos the old machine where I want to Apache running is 32 bit
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• 1536[13:47:49] <AnononA> but blkid tells me my own or am i just typing it it wrong
• 1537[13:47:52] <Bushmaster> and the machine I am using now, it is debian stretch yes and 64 bit but this machine, i do not want it as server
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• 1539[13:48:15] <nifker> my Backspace keycode in terminals seems to be 263 instead of 8 is this right?
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• 1542[13:48:32] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, if you could help me with the link I provided, where I am going wrong, that would be great
• 1543[13:48:48] <xevilstar> Bushmaster: then instead of editing the default try to configure a vhost replaced-url
• 1544[13:48:59] <xevilstar> and then dissite default
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• 1551[13:50:09] <Night_Elf> AnononA: Well... we're not talking of the same system?
• 1552[13:50:26] <AnononA> each have there own swap correct
• 1553[13:50:29] <Bushmaster> xevilstar, again, way too advance man, thanks anyhow
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• 1560[13:51:53] <thebeaukoko> bonjour
• 1561[13:52:03] <thebeaukoko> hello
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• 1566[13:53:18] <Night_Elf> AnononA: I suppose so. You have to determine that each system will use its proper one. blkid should tell you all there are.
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• 1572[13:55:24] <xevilstar> ok I rephrase my question.... how can I make kamailio.deb with all modules ?
• 1573[13:55:46] <xevilstar> and of course all the standard debian paths
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• 1577[13:57:13] <AnononA> ahh so with the fstab back up is has one thats no longerlisted in blkid would that be the old one not in use corzing problem.... or should i be swapping the uuid that are in place
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• 1581[13:58:22] <AnononA> maype gparted could give me info on this
• 1582[13:58:42] <AnononA> or would it just feed back what blkid is listing
• 1583[13:58:50] <Night_Elf> AnononA: On each system, you need to place in it the UUID of the existing ones what blkid tells you. You probably have two of them listed, so on each system, there would be a different UUID, the one that that system is supposed to use.
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• 1585[13:59:15] <Night_Elf> On each system's /etc/fstab
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• 1587[13:59:43] <AnononA> ok ill print out both chuck it in paste bin and we will see if they all list the same
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• 1597[14:05:16] <xevilstar> can please anyone help me ?
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• 1599[14:07:15] <AnononA> replaced-url
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• 1603[14:10:07] <AnononA> Night_Elf: are you saying that blkid will list diffrent on each machine or it lists all i just have to figure witch one is right
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• 1607[14:11:18] <Night_Elf> AnononA: To what I know, the UUID of the partitions should be the same for the same disk, regardless which system you type the blkid command in.
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• 1613[14:12:54] <Night_Elf> AnononA: On the second system, it seems there are two lines defining swap. Only one should be there.
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• 1616[14:14:02] <Night_Elf> You need to determine which is the one you need.
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• 1619[14:15:05] <AnononA> so i can just # it out nice work man
• 1620[14:15:17] <AnononA> think we are making progress
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• 1625[14:19:43] <Night_Elf> You try to comment one, reboot... see what happens... if still there's errors, then you coment the other one and uncomment the first. And see what happens again.
• 1626[14:20:00] <Night_Elf> You need to get the proper one.
• 1627[14:20:11] <Arletahko3> if ($me isin $1-) && ($1 != $me) && ($3 != $null) { /splay "C:\mIRC\beep.wav" | /echo -adt [ACTION] someone mentioned you $+ $me $+ , $+ $nick is calling you in $chan $server $serverip saying : $1- }
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• 1631[14:20:39] <AnononA> gunna test now cheers talk in a min
• 1632[14:20:42] <Night_Elf> AnononA: Also, verify what you have with issuing 'blkid' from the other system too.
• 1633[14:20:54] <Arletahko3> ops by mistake
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• 1636[14:20:55] <AnononA> ok will do
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• 1638[14:21:00] <AnononA> thanx
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• 1647[14:23:53] <dionysus69> very often I am copying a file or extracting archive that does heavy IO and whole system becomes unresponsive, that is a literal suicide in programming world
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• 1655[14:27:03] <cirdan> yeah it's call an io scheduler dionysus69
• 1656[14:27:08] <jelly> dionysus69: cfq io scheduler is crap. What does "grep . /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler" say?
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• 1660[14:27:22] <cirdan> use zfs and none/noop :)
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• 1663[14:28:17] <jelly> zfs ignores most of linux vfs and introduces its own things
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• 1665[14:28:35] <dionysus69> which is a good thing or bad?
• 1666[14:28:46] <dionysus69> atm I have ext4
• 1667[14:29:02] <jelly> it's more things to learn and be aware of, that work differently that anything else on linux
• 1668[14:29:11] <dionysus69> jelly: /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler:[mq-deadline] none
• 1669[14:29:37] <jelly> okay, so you're on a new enough kernel not to use cfq. It's something else then
• 1670[14:29:58] <jelly> deadline and its younger brother mq-deadline are fine
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• 1672[14:30:12] <dionysus69> hmm yea I dont know, same on my laptop
• 1673[14:30:37] <dionysus69> one thing I know it should be built in the kernel
• 1674[14:30:52] <dionysus69> to leave just enough resources for a freaking mouse
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• 1677[14:31:28] <dionysus69> sometimes its so bad I cant even open terminal so I have to use a button
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• 1681[14:32:19] <cirdan> is it spinning rust? they dont do mq really... try disableing it in the kernel?
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• 1683[14:32:46] <dionysus69> disable what exactly?
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• 1685[14:33:47] <cirdan> multique
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• 1687[14:34:42] <dionysus69> I would refrain from tinkering on that level, if I screw it up I dont know how to undo
• 1688[14:35:02] <cirdan> replaced-url
• 1689[14:35:07] <cirdan> it's a kernel boot param
• 1690[14:35:16] <cirdan> I think scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=0
• 1691[14:35:23] <cirdan> it might help
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• 1738[15:03:50] <han-solo> sentriz: ?
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• 1746[15:09:51] <renani> Hello, I'm on Stretch, I'm trying to change the default app for common office files, setting in /usr/share/applications/default.list usgin mime-types, but it doesn't work. Only .doc changes correctly, but none of docx, xls,xlsx, odt, ods work
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• 1791[15:31:59] <fishcooker> how to access wheezy repo
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• 1794[15:32:39] <greycat> !wheezy sources.list
• 1795[15:32:40] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
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• 1826[15:52:20] <nugax1> I installed proftpd and its working. I am trying to cahnge the default dir
• 1827[15:52:43] <nugax1> In proftpd.conf i added DefautRoot /my/path but it still defautls to /srv/ftp
• 1828[15:52:45] <nugax1> any idea?
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• 1836[15:54:11] <renani> nugax1 you restart the service? checked spelling errors?
• 1837[15:54:20] <nugax1> yes
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• 1839[15:54:23] <renani> Poke on my problem guys
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• 1843[15:56:32] <renani> nugax1 read here replaced-url
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• 1848[15:57:18] <renani> also check user permissions on the path
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• 1850[15:58:27] <nugax1> i read that. no idea.
• 1851[15:58:35] <nugax1> and permissions in the directory are 777
• 1852[15:58:46] <renani> then check the logs
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• 1856[15:59:16] <greycat> !777
• 1857[15:59:17] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>.
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• 1865[16:01:11] <nugax1> nothing in logs
• 1866[16:01:21] <nugax1> my statement is:
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• 1869[16:01:36] <nugax1> DefaultRoot /opt/ftp/
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• 1871[16:02:15] <nugax1> and thats in proftpd.conf. I assume you can use it there, as it has examples in the docs and also a example for jailing users (DefaultRoot ~)
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• 1881[16:10:15] <jelly> sticky bit ought to be called ticky bit because ls -l shows it as "t"
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• 1887[16:13:25] <ksk> (++ for ticky bit)
• 1888[16:13:39] <greycat> tacky is a word, ticky isn't
• 1889[16:13:55] <han-solo> proposal to change `sticky bit` to `ticky bit`
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• 1916[16:36:59] <greycat> So, um, how do you see the priority of a package? What does it mean when two different methods of showing the priority of the same pacakge on the same system give different answers? What does it mean if two different people, both using stretch, are seeing different priorities for the same package in /var/lib/dpkg/status?
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• 1924[16:44:43] <themill> greycat: the archive (Packages) and individual .debs can disagree on Priority. It's mostly a field that has no meaning these days.
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• 1955[17:03:29] <strk> what's a good tool to track network usage ? I'm after finding out my bandwidth needs
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• 1958[17:04:35] <somiaj> strk: there are lots, iptraf is an old ncurses utility, there are various sytem monintors, and so on. Might depend on what info you want.
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• 1960[17:05:45] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 1966[17:08:27] <strk> the info I want is a cumulative, exact sum of bits that left the machine, and bits that arrived, over a given period of time
• 1967[17:09:19] <strk> of course I expect to need to start them and let them run for the given period of time (and I also expect the machine to crash over that period of time so it must be able to recover and continue counting from when it left)
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• 1969[17:10:24] <strk> han-solo: how would I use ethtool ?
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• 2013[17:36:06] <lessless> what audio system should one install nowdays? Is it still ALSA?
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• 2018[17:38:44] <jmcnaught> lessless: you probably don't need to install ALSA. Also most people are probably using pulseaudio on top of ALSA, but if you install a desktop environment that will probably be configured automatically for you.
• 2019[17:39:13] <lessless> nope, not on desktop. Just a small ARM box and Native Instruments sound card
• 2020[17:39:16] <lessless> for mopidy
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• 2029[17:49:35] <BCMM> lessless: if you've just got one audio output and one program playing audio, there's no reason to not just use alsa directly
• 2030[17:49:59] <lessless> that's exactly my setup
• 2031[17:50:05] <BCMM> pulse would just be additional overhead in that case
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• 2033[17:50:38] <BCMM> (pulse still uses alsa as the backend for actually making sound come out, on typical installations - it's just a userspace daemon that mixes sound and lets you choose which alsa device to send it to)
• 2034[17:50:59] <BCMM> and depending on just how small the arm is, it can have significant cpu overhead
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• 2036[17:51:40] <lessless> thanks!
• 2037[17:51:46] <lessless> that makes sense
• 2038[17:52:49] <BCMM> lessless: i'm assuming that you're more-or-less configuring stuff yourself here. if you're using software or a distro that really wants you to use pulse, it might be kind of a pain to avoid it
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• 2040[17:53:55] <lessless> nah, nothing really special. there are no hidden dependencies and I didn't start to setup mopidy yet. Just doing a groundwork
• 2041[17:54:07] <humpled> i just have alsa and mpd and no desktop
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• 2046[17:57:01] <lessless> humpled are you using USB sound card?
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• 2050[17:57:16] <humpled> no
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• 2052[17:57:52] <humpled> except on the laptop, there pulse has helped tbh
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• 2054[17:58:23] <humpled> but also it makes things more complicated so i dunno
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• 2056[17:59:07] <lessless> I don't see any controls for a soundcard in alsamixer and wonder if it supposed to be so :\
• 2057[17:59:16] <lessless> module is loaded replaced-url
• 2058[17:59:46] <lessless> although modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-mixer-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss are not found
• 2059[17:59:52] <lessless> should I build them? :\
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• 2062[18:02:09] <wwilliam> what is that option that you use in /etc/fstab for nfs so the network is up before it tries to mount the nfs;s?
• 2063[18:02:45] <greycat> Make sure the interface uses "auto" rather than "allow-hotplug" in /etc/network/interfaces and it'll probably work.
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• 2065[18:03:01] <wwilliam> Ok greycat thanks
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• 2071[18:05:38] <wwilliam> STARTMODE='auto'
• 2072[18:05:47] <wwilliam> That one?
• 2073[18:05:58] <greycat> I cannot even guess what you're talking about.
• 2074[18:06:22] <wwilliam> !paste
• 2075[18:06:22] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 2076[18:06:29] <greycat> Your interfaces in /e/n/i (if they are in fact defined in /e/n/i at all, and not controlled by network-manager or systemd-networkd) have lines like "auto eno1" or "allow-hotplug eth0".
• 2077[18:06:47] <wwilliam> replaced-url
• 2078[18:07:04] <wwilliam> Suse sorry
• 2079[18:07:16] <wwilliam> my bad
• 2080[18:07:19] <greycat> Then you're in the wrong channel.
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• 2082[18:07:35] <wwilliam> I forgot i was in the suse box
• 2083[18:07:38] <wwilliam> sorry
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• 2177[18:56:08] <nixew> How to "ls" so it shows sizes of directories including everything (files & folders) in each directory?
• 2178[18:56:23] <greycat> du -sh * or du -sk *
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• 2182[18:57:22] <greycat> if you want it sorted for example, du -sk * | sort -n
• 2183[18:57:28] <han-solo> will it show hidden files (.cache and stuff)
• 2184[18:57:30] <nixew> Amazing. "ls" doesn't have the capability to show the whole sizes?
• 2185[18:57:39] <greycat> han-solo: not at the top level, unless you turn on dotglob
• 2186[18:57:46] <han-solo> greycat: Yeah
• 2187[18:58:02] <greycat> but it will include dotfiles that are inside non-dot directories
• 2188[18:58:43] <han-solo> just saw a guy had 39 GB in .cache at work, and `du -hs *` only reported 383 MB :), took me a minute to realize
• 2189[18:58:55] <greycat> fair point
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• 2192[19:00:11] <han-solo> du -hs * | sort -hr # will sort for human readable, i guess
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• 2195[19:01:09] <greycat> if you need to include dot files/directories, bash -c 'shopt -s dotglob; du -sk * | sort -rn'
• 2196[19:01:11] <nixew> han-solo: and descending by size
• 2197[19:01:22] <greycat> sort -r reverses it
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• 2202[19:02:15] <han-solo> ah, yeah, i always want the most usage at top, just habit
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• 2205[19:02:51] <greycat> having the most important results at the bottom can be useful, because it means when the output scrolls off the terminal, you still see the important stuff at the end
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• 2208[19:03:01] <greycat> you don't have to scroll back up to find it
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• 2210[19:03:26] <han-solo> yeah, usually there will be a lot of files, and i usually just need `head -10`
• 2211[19:03:58] <han-solo> mostly, just /var/log eating more memory. We don't have very good etiqueue for logging :)
• 2212[19:04:22] <han-solo> s/etiqueue/etiquette
• 2213[19:04:41] <jhutchins_wk> nixew: The directory entry itself has an actual size, and that's what ls -l shows.
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• 2216[19:06:30] <han-solo> s/memory/storage/
• 2217[19:06:32] <han-solo> gah
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• 2256[19:28:57] <ahi2> why no nm-applet in debian
• 2257[19:29:47] <greycat> ,v network-manager-gnome
• 2258[19:29:48] <judd> Package: network-manager-gnome on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.10.0-2; stretch: 1.4.4-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1.8.20-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.8.20-1.1; sid: 1.8.20-1.1; experimental: 1.8.22-1
• 2259[19:29:57] <greycat> is that it, or is it something different?
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• 2261[19:30:15] <EdePopede> it is, i just looked for the packagename
• 2262[19:30:18] <greycat> I also see "nm-tray - Simple Network Manager frontend written in Qt"
• 2263[19:30:21] <ahi2> the applet for network-manager but not gnome
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• 2265[19:30:31] <ahi2> xfce
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• 2269[19:32:12] <EdePopede> xfce has Network Monitor, no idea what it does
• 2270[19:32:28] <EdePopede> maybe only showing infos and stats
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• 2272[19:32:50] <EdePopede> but *nm-applet* (what you were asking for) is from that package.
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• 2274[19:33:50] <ahi2> network-manager-gnome did it
• 2275[19:33:54] <ahi2> thanks all
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• 2336[20:10:25] <nixew> I'm having a problem with running LibreOffice 6.2. When I run it, the logo with progress bar shows, it starts loading and then quits. When I run it in terminal, it simply throws "Application Error". Can I get the whole report of the error somehow?
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• 2347[20:18:14] <jmcnaught> nixew: are you using unstable?
• 2348[20:18:27] <mutante> what is the command (passwd?) that sets a user account to "NP" in /etc/shadow
• 2349[20:18:52] <mutante> and could there be any difference to editing it manually
• 2350[20:19:02] <greycat> editing manually would achieve the exact same thing
• 2351[20:19:05] <nixew> jmcnaught: I actually downloaded the latest version from libreoffice.org
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• 2355[20:19:36] <nixew> I just found out it's not supported by stretch 9.9, so I removed it and installed LibreOffice 5 via apt.
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• 2358[20:19:50] <nixew> I'll try the backported version of 6.1
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• 2379[20:33:45] <jhutchins_wk> mutante: You might want to use vipw
• 2380[20:34:42] <mutante> jhutchins_wk: ah, i see, sounds like visudo. will do
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• 2382[20:35:09] <mutante> though this edits /etc/passwd
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• 2384[20:35:16] <mutante> and i need to edit /etc/shadow
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• 2386[20:35:22] <greycat> more like visudo is based on vipw
• 2387[20:35:32] <greycat> -s, --shadow
• 2388[20:35:32] <greycat> Edit shadow or gshadow database.
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• 2390[20:36:29] <mutante> thanks. that works but i already have the change i needed .. there must be additional problems i need to debug
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• 2394[20:37:45] <greycat> HISTORY
• 2395[20:37:45] <greycat> The vipw command appeared in 4.0BSD.
• 2396[20:37:51] <greycat> (from OpenBSD man pages)
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• 2415[20:46:25] <jhutchins_wk> iirc vipw will prompt you to update shadow if you change passwd.
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• 2418[20:47:41] <annadane> can i stop the xfce notification tool thing from popping up when needrestart says such and such binary is outdated?
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• 2423[20:49:56] <EdePopede> annadane: i don't have needrestart installed, but does it have a setting to not send a notification?
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• 2426[20:50:59] <annadane> nothing really useful in the manpage
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• 2429[20:52:21] <annadane> if i run it myself then yes there are options but when it runs as part of an update there isn't that level of granularity
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• 2445[21:00:11] <byteckline> hi huys
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• 2450[21:01:37] <EdePopede> annadane: config file? maybe it has its own manpage with a hint
• 2451[21:03:50] <annadane> fair point. i've been fairly lazy here
• 2452[21:03:53] <annadane> i'll dig around
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• 2707[23:20:48] <Henry151> howdy #debian
• 2708[23:21:27] <klys> hi
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• 2712[23:22:49] <Henry151> I am trying to load firmware for my Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 I think
• 2713[23:23:03] <Henry151> i downloaded replaced-url
• 2714[23:23:11] <Henry151> moved it over to the machine that has no internet
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• 2716[23:23:26] <Henry151> and did dpkg -i to the deb file.. then restarted the machine
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• 2718[23:23:38] <Henry151> ip l shows eno1 and eno2 both as "DOWN"
• 2719[23:23:47] <klys> do you have the name of the files you need?
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• 2721[23:23:58] <klys> do they show up in dmesg
• 2722[23:24:09] <Henry151> yeah it's /bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw
• 2723[23:24:12] <nulix> Henry151, what about dmesg, what does it say about it
• 2724[23:24:18] <Henry151> i see nothing about it in dmesg
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• 2727[23:24:48] <klys> ok can you run something like: ifconfig eno1 192.168.1.2
• 2728[23:25:08] <klys> and then ping 192.168.1.1
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• 2730[23:25:42] <Henry151> ifconfig seems to be nonexistent
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• 2732[23:25:45] <Henry151> this is debian 9
• 2733[23:25:56] <nulix> klys, he may want to ajust that to his network
• 2734[23:26:16] <Henry151> ping anything says "network is unreachable"
• 2735[23:26:30] <klys> nulix, do you know how to do the same thing with the "ip" tool?
• 2736[23:26:41] <nulix> nop
• 2737[23:26:56] <Henry151> yea in the past i would figure ifconfig eno1 up
• 2738[23:27:06] <Henry151> because it says "state DOWN" in ip l
• 2739[23:27:26] <klys> well you need to run your dhcp client. dhclient -d eno1 ?
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• 2741[23:27:51] <nulix> sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.5 dev eth0
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• 2749[23:29:51] <Henry151> dhclient -d eno1 seemed to find nothing, it tried something like 6 times and then said "No DHCPOFFERS received"
• 2750[23:29:55] <klys> if dhclient assigns an address (or not) you can just press ctrl-c to exit the program.
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• 2753[23:30:24] <klys> henry151, is there a cable plugged into eno1 ?
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• 2755[23:30:32] <Henry151> nulix: 192.168.0.5 is supposed to be ip of my router, or is a new ip to assign to my machine?
• 2756[23:30:43] <klys> the new ip for your machine.
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• 2758[23:30:48] <Henry151> klys: i think so. might be eno2 actually, i'll try same thing with eno2
• 2759[23:30:53] <nulix> sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.5 dev eno1
• 2760[23:31:05] <nulix> ajust it to your network
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• 2763[23:31:17] <nulix> what is the ip of your gw?
• 2764[23:31:22] <Henry151> heyheyhey! I think it's working
• 2765[23:31:28] <klys> oh good
• 2766[23:31:41] <Henry151> dhclient -d eno2 seems to have bound me to 10.0.0.79
• 2767[23:31:51] <klys> so, ping 10.0.0.1
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• 2769[23:32:05] <klys> and then ping a public ip such as 198.60.22.2
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• 2771[23:32:17] <Henry151> pinging google.com is working great now
• 2772[23:32:18] <klys> and then ping a dns name such as replaced-url
• 2773[23:32:24] <klys> cool
• 2774[23:32:27] <nulix> sudo ip route show
• 2775[23:32:27] <Henry151> i think i'm fully connected
• 2776[23:32:35] <klys> your nameservers are in /etc/resolv.conf
• 2777[23:32:51] <Henry151> i haven't installed sudo yet
• 2778[23:33:10] <Henry151> but i'm about to update my sources.list and update and upgrade everything and get this thing bangin
• 2779[23:33:17] <Henry151> y'all just saved me thank you much
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• 2781[23:33:46] <nulix> Henry151, for reference: replaced-url
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• 2785[23:34:21] <Henry151> would you believe me if I told you i had that open in my browser already? exactly that page XD
• 2786[23:34:52] <Henry151> that dhclient -d command was what i think i had to find
• 2787[23:34:57] <Henry151> thank you for all the assistance.
• 2788[23:35:01] <klys> yw.
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• 2824[23:54:44] <plantroon> which tool is recommended for creating apt repositories, that will be well supported in the future?
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