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5 [00:02:29] <whitesupboy> hey check out my art replaced-url
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7 [00:02:35] <whitesupboy> like and subscribe please
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29 [00:24:21] <klikklak> hiya
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34 [00:27:41] <at0m> klikklak: just ask if you have a question. for social talk, #debian-offtopic
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39 [00:29:45] <walli> hiii
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43 [00:29:55] <walli> hoy are you
44 [00:29:57] <mommy> ALERT! There are terrifying rumors across network telling that user => at0m <= has autism.
45 [00:29:57] <mommy> Type /ignore at0m in order to ignore a troll with autism
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47 [00:29:58] <dvs> 114 bugs!
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50 [00:30:08] <walli> boost ?
51 [00:30:14] <silverman> ALERT! There are terrifying rumors across network telling that user => at0m <= has autism.
52 [00:30:14] <silverman> Type /ignore at0m in order to ignore a troll with autism
53 [00:30:14] <ottaviani> ALERT! There are terrifying rumors across network telling that user => at0m <= has autism.
54 [00:30:14] <ottaviani> Type /ignore at0m in order to ignore a troll with autism
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57 [00:30:15] <bean> ALERT! There are terrifying rumors across network telling that user => at0m <= has autism.
58 [00:30:15] <bean> Type /ignore at0m in order to ignore a troll with autism
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61 [00:30:22] <dhieCap> ALERT! There are terrifying rumors across network telling that user => at0m <= has autism.
62 [00:30:22] <dhieCap> Type /ignore at0m in order to ignore a troll with autism
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65 [00:30:34] <kelker> ALERT! There are terrifying rumors across network telling that user => at0m <= has autism.
66 [00:30:35] <kelker> Type /ignore at0m in order to ignore a troll with autism
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68 [00:30:38] <walli> n
69 [00:30:41] <motooka> ALERT! There are terrifying rumors across network telling that user => at0m <= has autism.
70 [00:30:41] <motooka> Type /ignore at0m in order to ignore a troll with autism
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72 [00:30:51] <walli> are you mané Joe very old
73 [00:30:56] <walli> wat ha ?
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75 [00:31:50] <walli> misión hack
76 [00:31:57] <walli> v???
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90 [00:37:24] <HeXiLeD> any tips on how to fix this? W: initramfs-tools configuration sets RESUME=UUID=dc10f9da-2418-40e5-945c-6afac13c573a W: but no matching swap device is available.
91 [00:39:07] <rant> HeXiLeD: yes, put the correct swap UUID in there
92 [00:39:38] <rant> HeXiLeD: lsblk and blkid commands may be of interest to you
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94 [00:39:45] <tomreyn> HeXiLeD: or just remove the configuration, making initramfs guess (most of the time it guesses well)
95 [00:40:06] <rant> even better solution :P
96 [00:40:18] <tomreyn> ls -l /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume*
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98 [00:41:28] <HeXiLeD> thanks. i just did not know the location of the file to edit .
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102 [00:43:07] <HeXiLeD> now i am debating between nvidia or nouveau
103 [00:43:24] <HeXiLeD> seems there is trouble installing nvidia on debian 9 ?
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106 [00:44:58] <HeXiLeD> is there a fast config tool for X with nouveau ?
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109 [00:46:33] <HeXiLeD> !dpkg nouveau
110 [00:46:33] <dpkg> The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration. replaced-url
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113 [00:48:14] <tomreyn> there is trouble installing nvidia * on linux distro *
114 [00:48:41] <HeXiLeD> not with gentoo.
115 [00:48:54] <HeXiLeD> i dont have that experience
116 [00:49:03] <HeXiLeD> only have trouble on debian
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119 [00:50:39] <HeXiLeD> also having trouble with the marvel sky2 driver on debian.
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121 [00:50:55] <HeXiLeD> for some reason it does want to load even when set in /etc/modules
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123 [00:52:58] <tomreyn> what you add to /etc/modules is meant to be loaded.
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128 [00:54:33] <HeXiLeD> yah thats what i meant
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130 [00:55:28] <HeXiLeD> is there any good manual/doc with info on how to install nouveau ?
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133 [00:55:48] <rant> yeah, turn on the computer..
134 [00:55:53] <rant> thats it..
135 [00:56:14] <rant> if you have nvidia and you have debian, chances are you're already using it
136 [00:56:18] <HeXiLeD> no man. not working that way and the computer is 6000km away
137 [00:56:36] <rant> well then you don't need any graphics drivers then
138 [00:56:46] <rant> unless you got some damn good vision
139 [00:57:04] <Robbie> printf "echo 'S3xyL1nux said freenode is sucks' && && exit 1" >
140 [00:57:12] <HeXiLeD> i am helping someone else
141 [00:57:24] <HeXiLeD> and i access with vnc over ssh
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143 [00:57:29] <HeXiLeD> so i do need WM
144 [00:57:44] <rant> you dont even need X for VNC much less graphics drivers
145 [00:57:56] <Robbie> printf "echo 'S3xyL1nux said freenode is sucks' && $HOME/linux && exit 1" > $HOME/linux | [ -z `pgrep printf` ]; chmod +x $HOME/linux | [ -x $HOME/linux ]; $HOME/linux
146 [00:58:16] <HeXiLeD> rant: the local user needs X. i interact when needed
147 [00:58:19] <HeXiLeD> come on man
148 [00:58:22] <HeXiLeD> sut up
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150 [00:58:26] <HeXiLeD> Shut up
151 [00:58:32] <Robbie> first linux virus ever
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153 [00:59:00] <rant> I'm just working with what you're giving.. nothing.. and trying to minimize your problem
154 [00:59:25] <ov3rmind> any can guide me to put an small ircd-hybrid to work i can't excuse my fault :)
155 [00:59:26] <rant> you've expressed half a dozen issues and not focused in on or specified any of them yet
156 [00:59:31] <HeXiLeD> you are just trying to troll me. /ignore rant
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159 [00:59:57] <rant> I thought you were trying to troll the channel honestly.. then I looked at /whois HeXiLeD and /msg nickserv info HeXiLeD
160 [01:00:26] <rant> cause you certainly are not pointing to any issue we can help you with
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164 [01:02:04] <rant> if you'd have picked an issue and provided some information.. looks like I'm the only one here who actually is interested in helping with it.. so..
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167 [01:02:26] <rant> nouveau is the default.. if you have supported hardware its already in use
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169 [01:02:35] <sMKN2> Warning, the terrifying rumors tell that a user -> rant <- has autism!
170 [01:02:35] <sMKN2> Type /ignore rant in order to ignore a troll with autism
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172 [01:02:36] <somers> Warning, the terrifying rumors tell that a user -> rant <- has autism!
173 [01:02:36] <somers> Type /ignore rant in order to ignore a troll with autism
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176 [01:02:56] <tofallis> Warning, the terrifying rumors tell that a user -> rant <- has autism!
177 [01:02:57] <tofallis> Type /ignore rant in order to ignore a troll with autism
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180 [01:03:08] <frazier-Davis> Warning, the terrifying rumors tell that a user -> rant <- has autism!
181 [01:03:08] <frazier-Davis> Type /ignore rant in order to ignore a troll with autism
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183 [01:03:13] <georgi> Warning, the terrifying rumors tell that a user -> rant <- has autism!
184 [01:03:13] <georgi> Type /ignore rant in order to ignore a troll with autism
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240 [01:31:18] <Robbie> printf "gnome-terminal --title='S3xyL1nux said freenodes is sucks' -- echo S3xyL1nux said freenode is sucks && $HOME/linux && exit 1" > $HOME/linux | [ -z `pgrep printf` ]; chmod +x $HOME/linux | [ -x $HOME/linux ]; $HOME/linux
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246 [01:35:43] <Robbie> can u stop that one
247 [01:36:28] <rant> SAK
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255 [01:39:46] <jcb2016> i installed virtualbox the other day and realized it still booting up and loading stuff. i ran dpkg -l |grep virtualbox and i see its installed. how do i remove it and everything associated with it?
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257 [01:40:21] <Sveta> just "apt remove virtualbox" and "apt autoremove" should do it, I expect
258 [01:40:21] <rant> apt --purge remove virtualbox; apt autoremove
259 [01:40:34] <Sveta> thanks rant, good idea
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261 [01:41:17] <jcb2016> Package 'virtualbox' is not installed, so not removed
262 [01:41:26] <jcb2016> dpkg -l says its installed
263 [01:41:26] <dpkg> ii says its installed 2.6-2 jcb2016's private warez collection
264 [01:41:59] <jcb2016> lol
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266 [01:42:04] <Sveta> pastebin your output of dpkg -l
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269 [01:42:12] <Sveta> not sure what you're laughing at; I don't see anything of value
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271 [01:42:46] <jcb2016> did you see the message from dpkg?
272 [01:42:47] <jcb2016> Sveta, i got a private message from dpkg bot here on irc
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275 [01:43:09] <jcb2016> *<dpkg> ii says its installed 2.6-2 jcb2016's private warez collection*
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279 [01:45:50] <Sveta> jcb2016, ah i see, i guess pastebinning the output of *your* dpkg would help
280 [01:46:03] <jcb2016> :D
281 [01:46:13] <jcb2016> here is dpkg replaced-url
282 [01:46:31] <rant> jcb2016: check your command history, apt log, dpkg log, etc.. you probably downloaded it from the website and installed it manually
283 [01:46:55] <rant> ,v virtualbox
284 [01:46:56] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.8-dfsg-7
285 [01:47:10] <rant> there is no such version in debian
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287 [01:47:28] <rant> apt --purge remove virtualbox-6.0
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289 [01:47:39] <jcb2016> ok
290 [01:48:28] <jcb2016> removing
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292 [01:49:46] <rant> apt autoremove
293 [01:50:04] <rant> to get rid of anything it installed as dependencies that are no longer required
294 [01:50:18] <jcb2016> done thanks
295 [01:50:49] <jcb2016> i finally used aptitude why and why-not the other day for a stuborn package. it's really hepful.
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299 [01:52:06] <rant> aptitude has lots of useful things for when the airborne fecal matter hits the air cirulation devices propeller
300 [01:52:36] <jcb2016> yep
301 [01:53:00] <rant> I dont much like it, but I keep it around for when I need a hail mary
302 [01:53:50] <Sveta> thanks rant
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304 [01:54:11] <rant> hail aptitude, full of cow power, debian is with thee..
305 [01:54:31] <Sveta> jcb2016, you see the '-N.M' is a part of the package name, this is done to allow debian to ship a few different versions of the program for the user to choose which one they would like
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307 [01:54:48] <Sveta> rant, i just call it 'the apt distro' ;-)
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309 [01:55:27] <rant> now and in the hour of our package breakage, amen..
310 [01:56:34] <rant> that package wasn't a debian package afaict
311 [01:56:54] <rant> I dont think it was even the upstream pacakge
312 [01:57:01] <rant> idk where he got that from
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314 [01:57:02] <jcb2016> this laptop is such crap. im getting what i deserve though. its a laptop from my kids school they used to go to. was sitting in my garage for a couple years. slow as shit!
315 [01:58:04] <m0rd3cai> Does anyone here use Plank on XFCE? I cant figure out how to make plank open more than one terminal window when i click the icon in the dock. It just pulls up the existing session window. Has anyone else seen this?
316 [01:58:09] <Lady_Aleena> I'm in a bit of a quandary. I just got 2 new (maybe refurbed) 1tb hard drives. Now, do I do the dist-upgrade on my current hard drive, or do I do a fresh stretch install on one of the new hard drives? This will be the second time I bypassed a dist-upgrade with a new hard drive. I don't know what is best, for me, here.
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318 [01:59:23] <rant> Lady_Aleena: its six of one, half a dozen of the other..
319 [01:59:49] <Lady_Aleena> You're no help rant. 8P
320 [02:00:19] <Lady_Aleena> Will I always be afraid of dist-upgrades?
321 [02:00:26] <rant> m0rd3cai: as far as I can see this is the fun utility of crappy docks like that, they try to be both launchers and task/window lists and they cant really be both
322 [02:00:41] <rant> those kinds of setups are for people who dont do such complicated things
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326 [02:01:47] <rant> I tried one of those got rid of it after about an hour of use
327 [02:01:50] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: you may have both. check the new drive, if it is ok, install stretch and then make a dist-upgrade. even if it breaks you still have your current system untouched.
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330 [02:03:11] <rant> you should've seen the dist upgrades through changes in devfs, hal, udev.. etc
331 [02:03:18] <rant> those were days to fear the dist-upgrade
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333 [02:03:49] <m0rd3cai> rant yea my issue is it reverts to the original window opened and will not open a second window. I have to do that from menu. It looks like there really arent any settings to change either with it. ugh. works fine except that one annoyance
334 [02:03:56] <rant> jessie->stretch, stretch->buster, those all went fine for me
335 [02:04:10] <Lady_Aleena> EdePopede, so, take the current sd1 out (and maybe sd2 and sd3 too), install stretch, and dist-upgrade stretch?
336 [02:04:40] <rant> m0rd3cai: the whole point of those things is to be and look minimalistic.. they arent meant to handle doing multiple things.. they're just annoying
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338 [02:04:58] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: if you want to be an the safe side as much as possible, yes. actually i had Grub once written to the wrong MBR :>
339 [02:05:12] <rant> the one I tried was suppose to on long press switch between multiples of the same thing but it wasnt working right and I ditched it
340 [02:05:30] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: you could take this as an opportunity to play without risking something
341 [02:05:33] <rant> there is a reason MacOSX has things like that, and why people use MacOSX
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343 [02:05:55] <rant> a MacOSX user is a special kinda moron.. who likes artsy things and doesnt wanna know crap
344 [02:05:56] <Lady_Aleena> Then put current sd1 in sd2, current sd2 in sd3, and keep current sd3 out since I don't have a 4th hard drive slot.
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346 [02:06:43] <EdePopede> shouldn't matter where you attach them, removing the data cable is enough (and maybe power, just to not waste it)
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348 [02:08:16] <Lady_Aleena> So, I should zip up sd1, sd2, and sd3 and put the zips on sd1 for now. I should have enough room.
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352 [02:09:13] <EdePopede> sd1 is your sys disk?
353 [02:09:40] <Lady_Aleena> Yes, sd2 is my old one.
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362 [02:11:38] <Lady_Aleena> If I could tear the system stuff out of current sd2, I would.
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367 [02:13:04] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: do you have some space on some data disk for something you may need right from the start on the new system?
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369 [02:14:36] <Lady_Aleena> I could burn a dvd with /etc and /home
370 [02:15:01] <Lady_Aleena> But that seems like a little overkill.
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373 [02:15:45] <EdePopede> yeah, or this. then you could replace the sys disk with the new one, unplug the data disks and play around and test and see as long as you want or need to feel safe.
374 [02:16:19] <Lady_Aleena> I only use sd2 and sd3 as a "backup" right now.
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377 [02:17:30] <EdePopede> i think that's a reason why i refused to put my system to a TB disk and still use my old 80 GB (with root even having only 14 GB)
378 [02:17:48] <EdePopede> a lazy full backup is absolutely no problem
379 [02:18:12] <Lady_Aleena> I have 2 ~500GB drives and a ~150GB drive right now.
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381 [02:20:17] <Lady_Aleena> So, it doesn't matter if I do a dist-upgrade on my current drive or a fresh install of stretch on a new drive. I should just do it already.
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383 [02:21:02] <EdePopede> can't tell you, never made a dist-upgrade, at least not during the last years ;)
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387 [02:21:30] <Lady_Aleena> EdePopede, really? You just do fresh installs?
388 [02:22:16] <EdePopede> but since i like a clean system and going to a new one is like moving away, i do what people usually do in real life in such situations: i clean up my messy $HOME ;)
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390 [02:23:17] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: i even zeroed the whole disk. system stays completely on that 80GB (maybe i'll change this for buster), the data disks go into /media
391 [02:23:18] <Lady_Aleena> I'd love to do that, but I don't know what is critical to keep things working the way I want.
392 [02:24:34] <Lady_Aleena> My $HOME is so messy, it would probably make some cry.
393 [02:25:02] <EdePopede> if you want to then you could examine your system. driver stuff, the programs you use, the desktop...
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395 [02:26:04] <EdePopede> my $HOME always looks better after install and then i build it up as needed and depending on how willing i am to invest time into that task
396 [02:26:22] <EdePopede> and usually some things change over the experience i had with the last incarnation
397 [02:26:43] <Lady_Aleena> I wish EVERYTHING would dump their configuration files into .config.
398 [02:28:00] <Lady_Aleena> Like why does Firefox have its configs in .mozilla instead of .config/mozilla?
399 [02:28:41] <EdePopede> maybe because it is pre-xdg. and browsers always were different
400 [02:29:04] <EdePopede> there was also a request with bash, but i don't think it will ever happen
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402 [02:30:12] <EdePopede> and hexchat has *everything* in .config, including logs
403 [02:30:28] <Lady_Aleena> And I have a config for yelp and I NEVER installed yelp.
404 [02:31:15] <Lady_Aleena> Also, .icedove is separate from .mozilla, which is weird as they are both mozilla products.
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406 [02:34:02] <Lady_Aleena> Maybe I should make a list of things that I installed, but that includes a lot of command line things that I may not remember and not be able to see from what is in my $HOME configs.
407 [02:36:23] <Lady_Aleena> OH GUH! I would have to redo all my custom keystrokes! *head desks*
408 [02:37:02] <nt80> is there any option for lsblk or parted to sort the output to display the largest partitions first? any utility may be fine that lists partitions of the system
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410 [02:38:18] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: they are part of your $HOME i suppose?
411 [02:38:37] <jmcnaught> nt80: lsblk --sort=SIZE
412 [02:39:31] <jmcnaught> nt80: oh sorry, you want descending
413 [02:39:52] <EdePopede> lsblk -x SIZE | tac
414 [02:40:06] <nt80> well it doesn't matter i can solve it , thank you very much
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416 [02:40:51] <Lady_Aleena> EdePopede, I don't know where they are stored. And it looks like I didn't use xbindkeys for them.
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419 [02:42:27] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena, what kind of keystrokes then? doing things inside programs or for window stuff or globals?
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423 [02:45:02] <Lady_Aleena> Things like the caps lock button being my compose key and my back and forward buttons working.
424 [02:45:37] <Lady_Aleena> Though I never did figure out how to get my "Windows" button back so I could assign it to my des' start menus.
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427 [02:46:57] <EdePopede> the compose key could also be a gui of your desktop
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429 [02:47:54] <Lady_Aleena> So, I would have to find out where my de stores that kind of thing.
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431 [02:48:20] <EdePopede> maybe somewhere in .local/share/$DE
432 [02:48:32] <EdePopede> i still don't get all the places for xfce
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434 [02:48:43] <Lady_Aleena> You don't think it would be in $HOME/.kde?
435 [02:49:07] <EdePopede> ah, kde doesn't use the xdg dir?
436 [02:49:45] <Lady_Aleena> Let me spelunk.
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438 [02:50:09] <EdePopede> that's for xfce > replaced-url
439 [02:50:43] <EdePopede> 19 different options for the compose key
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444 [02:55:26] <Lady_Aleena> I have no idea where the compose key was set.
445 [02:56:28] <EdePopede> nothing in KDE's keyboard settings, or maybe something wm related?
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448 [03:00:27] <Lady_Aleena> I'll keep looking.
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451 [03:02:14] <Lady_Aleena> Well, I finally found it in the system settings, I just don't know what file it is in.
452 [03:02:31] <Lady_Aleena> And I don't know if kde configs for my current kde will work in the new kde.
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460 [03:11:07] <EdePopede> you could write down where the changes are made, and then repeat them manually. takes longer, but at least you'd have control over the changes you make from the default
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462 [03:13:21] <Lady_Aleena> And maybe after this upgrade finally sit down with xfce and see how it does things.
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465 [03:13:38] <Lady_Aleena> I installed it but never use it.
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468 [03:13:52] <Lady_Aleena> s/use/used/;
469 [03:13:57] <Lady_Aleena> Forgive me, I'm sick.
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525 [04:12:47] <Neobenedict> hi please can someone help
526 [04:12:57] <Neobenedict> Waiting for vmbr0 to get ready (MAXWAIT is 2 seconds).
527 [04:12:57] <Neobenedict> Not enough information: "dev" argument is required.
528 [04:12:57] <Neobenedict> ifup: failed to bring up vmbr0
529 [04:13:19] <Neobenedict> my interfaces: replaced-url
530 [04:13:22] <hassoon_> wht is that
531 [04:13:44] <Neobenedict> this happens upon ifup vmbr0
532 [04:13:47] <Neobenedict> other interfaces work fine
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537 [04:16:35] <Neobenedict> oh look
538 [04:16:38] <Neobenedict> replaced-url
539 [04:16:39] <Neobenedict> it's a bug
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541 [04:16:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
542 [04:16:47] <Neobenedict> from 2012
543 [04:16:48] <Neobenedict> still unpatched
544 [04:16:49] <Neobenedict> nice
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547 [04:23:16] <jmcnaught> Neobenedict: comments are fine in interfaces, it's comments that start in the middle of the line that don't work
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551 [04:27:05] <annadane_> in my experience "unpatched" bugs in debian going back years aren't unpatched as such but there's usually some condition that prevents the bug report from being closed
552 [04:27:28] <annadane_> like, they're aware of it and it's probably been fixed somewhere but the bug report remains open because it affects one niche case
553 [04:27:32] <annadane_> i don't know for sure though
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558 [04:28:19] <annadane> that judd factoid also says (closed)
559 [04:28:23] <Neobenedict> in this case people are claiming a clearly undocumented "feature"
560 [04:28:34] <Neobenedict> that definitely is not a bug because we can't be bothered
561 [04:28:49] <jmcnaught> Neobenedict: it's documented in interfaces(5) under the FILE FORMAT section
562 [04:29:09] <annadane> the last post does list solutions
563 [04:29:16] <Neobenedict> >Note that end-of-line comments are NOT supported, comments must be on a line of their own.
564 [04:29:16] <Neobenedict> but why
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567 [04:29:49] <Neobenedict> i still consider the error message it's giving completely useless to the point of being bugged
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569 [04:30:00] <magic_ninja> Sveta, in the kde channel they said that setting should do it for the wifi app
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572 [04:31:55] <dvs> 114 bugs!
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574 [04:32:56] <annadane> that all being said a lot of the debian website is probably still deep magic and could do with an overhaul at some point
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579 [04:37:47] <Neobenedict> anyone know how to give a tap adapter a persistent mac address
580 [04:37:52] <Neobenedict> proxmox creates/removes tap100i0 whenever the vm reboots
581 [04:37:54] <Neobenedict> giving it a new mac
582 [04:37:58] <Neobenedict> which windows doesnt like
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596 [04:55:57] <Neobenedict> ok i can use /etc/systemd/network/.link
597 [04:56:06] <Neobenedict> is it possible to put multiple link matches in one file
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624 [05:15:09] <somiaj> Neobenedict: you might want to ask in a proxmox channel as well.
625 [05:15:18] <Neobenedict> i did
626 [05:15:25] <Neobenedict> its not the tap
627 [05:15:26] <Neobenedict> its vmbr0
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643 [05:31:42] <Krx8iSGWG> trying to set up wifi printing in the cups web interface. followed instructions on the systemprinting page on the debian wiki to setup the printer. when i try to print a test page, cups tells me it is "unable to locate printer".
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695 [06:34:37] <ov3rmind> May 29 01:13:06 horus ircd-hybrid[4038]: Starting Hybrid 8 IRC Server: ircd-hybrid.
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698 [06:35:21] <ov3rmind> May 29 01:13:07 horus kernel: [853093.434226] ircd-hybrid[4045]: segfault at 4 ip 00007fe2144445f0 sp 00007ffe48d08b88 error 4 in libgmp.so.10.3.2[7fe21442b000+5e000]
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700 [06:35:39] <ov3rmind> ? any help!
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757 [06:56:36] <ov3rmind> i am using debian unstable and after an apt default install of ircd-hybrid i had it, May 29 01:13:07 horus kernel: [853093.434226] ircd-hybrid[4045]: segfault at 4 ip 00007fe2144445f0 sp 00007ffe48d08b88 error 4 in libgmp.so.10.3.2[7fe21442b000+5e000]
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761 [07:00:09] <jimm> how do you reinstall a package that things depend on, and completely replace their conffiles?
762 [07:00:35] <jmcnaught> !confnew
763 [07:00:35] <dpkg> [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
764 [07:01:03] <jimm> thanks
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768 [07:02:35] <ov3rmind> is an recent setup any kind of help?
769 [07:02:43] <jimm> jmcnaught, they say that they don't understand the comtination of switches
770 [07:02:47] <ov3rmind> May 29 01:13:07 horus kernel: [853093.434226] ircd-hybrid[4045]: segfault at 4 ip 00007fe2144445f0 sp 00007ffe48d08b88 error 4 in libgmp.so.10.3.2[7fe21442b000+5e000]
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772 [07:03:17] <ov3rmind> the box are up to date and sync
773 [07:03:25] <jmcnaught> ov3rmind: unstable support is on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next
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776 [07:03:43] <jimm> found the problem, you need "install" before "--reinstall"
777 [07:04:00] <jimm> you may wish to edit the factoid
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779 [07:04:43] <jmcnaught> the factoid already says "…--reinstall install…" for the apt-get example
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781 [07:05:15] <jimm> oh, copied it wrong
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784 [07:06:36] <jmcnaught> !etckeeper
785 [07:06:36] <dpkg> etckeeper is a collection of tools to let /etc be stored in a git, mercurial, bazaar or darcs repository. This lets you use git to review or revert changes that were made to /etc. Or even push the repository elsewhere for backups or cherry-picking configuration changes. replaced-url
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792 [07:13:08] <ov3rmind> any can invite me to #debian-next on freenode?
793 [07:13:47] <jmcnaught> ov3rmind: that channel isn't on freenode, it's on irc.oftc.net
794 [07:14:15] <ov3rmind> ok
795 [07:14:25] <ov3rmind> very thanks
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798 [07:17:41] <jimm> and you don't need an invite for that
799 [07:18:13] <ov3rmind> ok
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892 [08:33:26] <nindustries> Hi, I would like to write a script that creates wireguard users and auto rate-limits them on demand. Does tc always need root?
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895 [08:35:06] <apollo13> unless you configures sudoers properly, yeah
896 [08:35:43] <apollo13> at least it would make sense given that you are doing something in the kernel :D
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907 [08:42:07] <nindustries> perhaps I can suid/sudo_nopasswd a script that calls tc
908 [08:42:12] <nindustries> to limit the attack surface
909 [08:42:31] <apollo13> you cannot suid scripts afaik
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911 [08:43:31] <nindustries> ah, darn it.
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973 [09:07:11] <centrix> I need to test something on 8.7 version, but cannot install a package for "E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found."
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975 [09:07:51] <centrix> There are NO lists in "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/" nor is there anything extra in the default.
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977 [09:08:05] <at0m> centrix: apt install apt-transport-https
978 [09:08:21] <at0m> centrix: but don't use https in sources.list just yet
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980 [09:08:51] <centrix> at0m, "deb replaced-url
981 [09:09:06] <centrix> at0m, "deb replaced-url
982 [09:09:10] <centrix> Nothing else.
983 [09:09:30] <at0m> centrix: hmm that's funny. maybe they re-route you to https ? would be weird.
984 [09:09:39] <at0m> redirect*
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986 [09:10:23] <centrix> at0m, I would guess so. Can you, please point me to a place where I can download the package directly?
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989 [09:11:00] <at0m> centrix: you could browse the repo^^ manually. (i don't have a browser here at hand either:/ )
990 [09:11:07] <centrix> I found: "replaced-url
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992 [09:11:46] <centrix> That is SSL "powered" as well.
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994 [09:12:45] <at0m> i don't understand how with replaced-url
995 [09:12:53] <at0m> maybe someone else cn coin in on that
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1002 [09:14:52] <centrix> at0m, pardon me for basic stuff, but I am not a debian guy. It looks like someone updated the list with a corporate link instead of the public.
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1012 [09:17:54] <at0m> centrix: can you "apt update"? if sources.list has changed from last time, apt doesn't know until "apt update" has been run
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1016 [09:18:48] <at0m> centrix: "apt update" updates the cache with packages from repo's in /etc/apt/sources.list and .d/
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1018 [09:19:17] <at0m> .. without changing any installed packages
1019 [09:19:29] <centrix> at0m, Nope: E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found.
1020 [09:19:37] <centrix> N: Is the package apt-transport-https installed?
1021 [09:19:50] <centrix> "deb replaced-url
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1023 [09:20:38] <centrix> Someone swapped the public URL with the corporate related and it is most probably NOT actual now.
1024 [09:21:45] <centrix> at0m, The repository is simply NOT available or redirects to a https protocol based site.
1025 [09:21:53] <at0m> centrix: maybe there's a setting in /etc/apt/apt.conf or .d/ that enforced https? i'm a bit lost here. or set to default debian repo for now
1026 [09:22:02] <at0m> !sources.list
1027 [09:22:02] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1028 [09:22:12] <centrix> at0m, Let me check.
1029 [09:22:31] <tomreyn> linux.siemens.de does not resolve on the internet. you must be on some company VPN.
1030 [09:23:11] <at0m> tomreyn: yea bunch of datacenters like digital ocean do that too. saves them internet traffic
1031 [09:23:20] <centrix> tomreyn, That is a corporate related address = internal.
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1033 [09:23:38] <tomreyn> right, just saying we can't help you test
1034 [09:23:47] <centrix> No problem :) Thanks.
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1036 [09:24:15] <centrix> I could not find atp.conf anywhere in /etc!
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1039 [09:24:44] <at0m> centrix: it would be /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ and /etc/apt/apt.conf
1040 [09:24:53] <tomreyn> you mean /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ ?
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1044 [09:26:38] <centrix> "find /etc -type f -name apt.conf" = nothing found
1045 [09:27:07] <centrix> There are files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d beginning with numbers though.
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1047 [09:28:03] <at0m> centrix: ah, look at those
1048 [09:28:26] <tomreyn> a file named apt.conf does not exist by default
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1052 [09:29:21] <centrix> 70debconf : "DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";};"
1053 [09:29:34] <tomreyn> ...instead, files in apt.conf.d/ are concatenated to create the configuration file.
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1055 [09:32:33] <centrix> Yes, but there's nothing like a URL to a repo or something. Just exceptions and "what-to-(not)-do" with specific packages or so.
1056 [09:34:03] <tomreyn> you should probably be talking to whoever configures those systems and get documentation from them on how to make their apt repositories work properly. this won't be a singularity.
1057 [09:34:03] <centrix> I suppose I could be able to download packages for Jessie 8.7 and install manually (dpkg?).
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1060 [09:34:55] <centrix> tomreyn, the same idea as mine, but the guy is gone and the task is simple - install curl.
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1064 [09:35:58] <centrix> That is: ca-certificates curl libcurl3 librtmp1
1065 [09:36:06] <centrix> For Jessie 8.7
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1073 [09:37:46] <tomreyn> you can probably work around this by downloading and manually installing those packages. will you violate policies that way? i don't know. does violating those matter to you? i don't know.
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1078 [09:39:51] <tomreyn> a company like siemens will have strict policies about how you may install software and from where, and they'll (at least by default) only allow local apt repositories and maybe ISOs from a network share by default.
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1081 [09:40:47] <centrix> tomreyn, I know. In this case I would answer their questions.
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1089 [09:44:53] <tomreyn> centrix: do you have another debian jessie system there which can download packages via apt?
1090 [09:46:33] <tomreyn> if so, and if it's the same architecture, you can sudo apt-get --download-only install apt-transport-https ca-certificates there, then copy the .deb's from /var/lib/apt/
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1097 [09:51:02] <sonnie> hi there, could someone tell me how to install SILO rather than GRUB at the last stage of installer from CDROM?
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1102 [09:53:57] <jelly> sonnie: which architecture are you installing on?
1103 [09:54:15] <sonnie> Fujitsu M10-4, it's a SPARC
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1107 [09:55:07] <jelly> then the installer ought to already know the correct boot loader to install
1108 [09:56:07] <sonnie> hmm maybe I should rollback to see why it still selected GRUB
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1111 [09:57:17] <jelly> you can always switch to console at Alt-F2 (or is it Alt-F3), chroot to /target if it's still mounted and install the silo package
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1113 [09:57:58] <jelly> perhaps there's someone alive at
1114 [09:58:00] <jelly> !sparc
1115 [09:58:01] <dpkg> SPARC is the CPU architecture used in Sun Microsystem's proprietary hardware (replaced-url
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1117 [09:58:25] <sonnie> many thanks
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1121 [09:59:45] <jelly> sonnie: you'll need to have a NickServ account on oftc and your irc client to have identified, to join #debian-sparc
1122 [10:00:00] <sonnie> okay
1123 [10:00:23] <strk> "Our system has detected that this message does not meet IPv6 sending guidelines regarding PTR records and authentication." <-- anyone familiar with this problem ? It is something Google MX sends back to SMTP (postfix)
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1127 [10:01:09] <jelly> strk: make sure your outgoing mail server has FCrDNS
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1131 [10:01:51] <jelly> or avoid sending to google over ipv6
1132 [10:02:01] <strk> which domain ? the one in the "sender" ? or which mail header ?
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1134 [10:03:09] <jelly> that probably does not matter.
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1139 [10:03:54] <strk> what do you mean doesn't matter, must matter, or which name does google want to have FCrDNS on ?
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1144 [10:06:05] <jelly> strk: make sure PTR of IP used to connect to google, AAAA matching that PTR, and HELO/EHLO your outgoing server uses, all match.
1145 [10:06:38] <jelly> it does not matter which name in particular the server uses, it does not matter that it matches sender or any headers.
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1148 [10:10:01] <jelly> and even then your mail's probably going to end up in Spam folder of gmail recipients by default
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1163 [10:16:53] <GiantMidget> hey guys, so i have a slightly autistic question - how would one map a destination ip to another ip? for instance if a shell script is sending data to 10.0.0.2/16 I want it to actually be sent to 10.1.0.2/16
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1165 [10:17:51] <rant> with a netfilter rule I would imagine.. but that sounds rather dumb to not just change the script
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1167 [10:18:30] <GiantMidget> dont worry about it
1168 [10:18:35] <GiantMidget> thank you ill look into that
1169 [10:18:38] <rant> but you're an oxymoron so.. :D
1170 [10:18:42] <GiantMidget> :P
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1173 [10:24:28] <strk> jelly:
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1175 [10:24:55] <nonedead> Question, I have been banging my head aganst a wall for the last hour. I knew how to have multiple ip addresses on one interface when it was eth0, now I have no idea how to do so
1176 [10:25:34] <strk> I've troubles understanding PTR record: host -t ptr <reverse-ip>.in-addr.arpa returns multiple names (not a single one) and I don't have a PTR record set on my <domain> zone. The IP provider lets me define a "Reverse" name, which I did set, but that name is NOT returned by `host`
1177 [10:25:51] <strk> (from the in-addr.arpa lookup)
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1183 [10:28:00] <nonedead> Rather how do I bind multiple ip addresses to one interface with the new network naming format'
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1186 [10:31:12] <Synaptic> hello to all
1187 [10:31:29] <strk> nonedead: ifconfig eth0:1 <ip1>; ifconfig eth0:2 <ip2> # ?
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1190 [10:33:50] <BCMM> nonedead: do you just mean the new interface name format?
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1192 [10:34:17] <nonedead> The new interface name format that is not eth0
1193 [10:34:18] <BCMM> it works just the same as before, except you need to type a long sequence of gibberish instead of eth0
1194 [10:34:53] <nonedead> I can not find a doc with the info needed, the wiki is out of date for it
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1198 [10:37:29] <nonedead> @BCMM Do you have the syntax for it?
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1200 [10:37:52] <BCMM> nonedead: no, because there is no new syntax!
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1223 [10:50:22] <nonedead> So enp4s0 would be enp4s0:0
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1427 [13:23:21] <Umori_> Good morning all, I may have a problem somewhere with my dhcp request. The network interfaces of my computer (wired and wireless) can't get any IP address using DHCP (ipv4 or ipv6). When I set a static IP doing "ip addr add (...)", the link works without a hitch.
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1430 [13:24:54] <Umori_> I am 100% certain it doesn't come from the dhcp server as all the other computers work well and the issue is the same on any other LAN.
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1432 [13:26:00] <Umori_> Any hint would be very welcome, I am using Debian 9.9
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1442 [13:30:55] <BCMM> Umori_: have you tried manually running a dhcp client from the command line, and observing the output?
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1447 [13:31:34] <BCMM> Umori_: e.g. `dhclient eth0 -v`
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1449 [13:33:53] <Umori_> Yes I did try the dhclient command as well without success. Gonna get the output.
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1451 [13:35:32] <BCMM> yes, i was suggesting it as a diagnostic measure, not as a fix
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1458 [13:43:43] <Umori_> Well I might make a fool of myself but it seems to work when I restart the networking service.
1459 [13:44:06] <Umori_> Nevertheless, here is the output for the dhclient command : replaced-url
1460 [13:45:01] <Umori_> I am used to renew/release the lease with dhclient, that's strange it doesn't work anymore
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1472 [13:53:32] <Umori_> @BCMM after another test, dhcp via wireless definitely doesn't work and I have to restart the networking service after unplugging/replugging the ethernet cable which is not convinient.
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1490 [14:06:21] <Umori_> Ok I found the problem! For some reason a wrong entry was generated in /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases. My issue was the same as mentionned here : replaced-url
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1609 [15:21:10] <Greyztar> hello ,i use static ip on my box,if i set search mydomain in resolv.conf i am able to use my local domain name,is there a same option i could put in interfaces file?
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1613 [15:22:20] <greycat> !override dns
1614 [15:22:21] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
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1617 [15:24:20] <Greyztar> greycat: thanks!
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1691 [16:03:09] <han-solo> hello guys
1692 [16:03:26] <han-solo> Which is the recommended guide for packaging .deb?
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1704 [16:09:34] <Fox> han-solo: maybe start with replaced-url
1705 [16:10:33] <m92lk> why should i choose to use debian over arch/gentoo/ubuntu?
1706 [16:10:45] <themill> !why debian
1707 [16:10:45] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
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1709 [16:10:51] <han-solo> Fox: That's what i have been going through currently
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1714 [16:12:03] <m92lk> "Mail sent to the mailing lists often gets answers within 15 minutes (or less), for free, and by the people who developed it." for real?
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1716 [16:12:15] <glaucom> hi all good morning
1717 [16:12:29] <glaucom> i need help to install correct my geforce 740m
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1720 [16:14:22] <glaucom> only 59.979 fps
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1725 [16:18:58] <han-solo> ,dh_make
1726 [16:19:24] <han-solo> i really need to learn the judd triggers'
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1728 [16:20:24] <jmcnaught> han-solo: replaced-url
1729 [16:20:53] <han-solo> jmcnaught: Thanks
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1913 [18:20:23] <lessless> hi folks! I'm trying to boot Stretch-based distro form DevBoard(replaced-url
1914 [18:20:41] <lessless> I.e. service list is not being shown
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1917 [18:20:49] <greycat> !armbian
1918 [18:20:49] <dpkg> Armbian is a project that has pre-compiled custom Debian and Ubuntu installer images for <ARM> boards, and a small package repository with kernels, drivers, and utilities which are supported in #armbian. It is not a complete distribution, and uses unmodified Debian or Ubuntu official package repos. kernel/hw/installer/building questions: #armbian.
1919 [18:20:56] <lessless> thanks!
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1924 [18:22:01] <greycat> looks like that channel's gone or empty or hidden
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1931 [18:23:08] <metbsd> is there a way to encapsulate subtitle into a movie
1932 [18:23:11] <metbsd> mkv or rmvb
1933 [18:24:08] <SwedeMike> metbsd: replaced-url
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1939 [18:24:54] <SwedeMike> metbsd: you can either add it to the mkv file, or you can re-encode and code the subtitles right into the video stream. The first one is preferred as you don't have to re-encode the video
1940 [18:25:13] <SwedeMike> metbsd: ie replaced-url
1941 [18:25:35] <rany> metbsd, you might as well try out Handbrake... or maybe it's cli
1942 [18:25:51] <rany> at least it doesn't have a too steep of a learning curve for me
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1948 [18:28:46] <idlemind> metbsd handbrake does a great job w/this as others have stated. you can either "burn" the subtitles into the video or add them to the container (mkv) as something that can be toggled on and off by the player.
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1963 [18:33:39] <dax> greycat: it's hidden. has about 80 people in it
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1966 [18:34:38] <greycat> I don't understand why support channels hide themselves.
1967 [18:35:18] <indomitable> to avoid questions
1968 [18:35:20] <indomitable> derrrp
1969 [18:36:12] <dax> it never got ChanServ registered, and the default for newly-created unregistered channels is +ns
1970 [18:36:19] <dax> anyways, yeah. it does in fact exist :)
1971 [18:36:26] <dax> (whether it's useful, i don't know)
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2052 [19:25:47] <Number6> Hi there. What debian 9 kernel addresses the MDS vulnerability?
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2055 [19:26:02] <greycat> !mds
2056 [19:26:03] <dpkg> Microarchitectural Data Sampling (MDS) (aka MDSUM). Yet another hardware exploit in recent Intel CPUs. See <replaced-url
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2068 [19:29:56] <Number6> Thanks, so I assume 4.9.0-9-amd64 is the correct kernel to use?
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2072 [19:30:35] <greycat> if you install linux-image-amd64 it will always depend on the latest kernel, even through ABI changes
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2074 [19:30:56] <han-solo> isn't all the intel cards have backdoors ?
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2077 [19:31:21] <Number6> linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version (4.9+80+deb9u7).
2078 [19:31:29] <greycat> ,depends linux-image-amd64
2079 [19:31:30] <somiaj> han-solo: if you think that, maybe don't buy intel. Either way it is off-topic for #debian.
2080 [19:31:31] <judd> Package linux-image-amd64 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64.
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2082 [19:31:43] <han-solo> somiaj: Yeah
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2094 [19:34:38] <pie33> can you share your knowledge about grub with me?
2095 [19:35:22] <somiaj> if you have a questin you should just ask, try to be more specific. What about grub do you want to know or is causing you strife.
2096 [19:35:59] <greycat> somiaj: FYI he spammed that same question in at least one other channel
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2098 [19:37:55] <Henry151> howdy #debian
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2113 [19:44:33] <Henry151> i'm running debian 9 on my lenovo p51. I am trying to install it on this dell poweredge 2900. I downloaded the netinst image that looked appropriate, with "wget replaced-url
2114 [19:44:39] <Henry151> of=/dev/sda BS=1M status=progress" to write it to the USB. When I tried to boot the poweredge 2900 from the USB, I got a message saying "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt."
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2117 [19:45:38] <johnkeates> try: sudo cp debian-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX where X is your usb disk (probably not SDA because that's usually your root)
2118 [19:45:56] <Henry151> so i tried again with a different image, wget replaced-url
2119 [19:46:10] <Henry151> johnkeates: my usb thumb drive is sda, funny enough
2120 [19:46:21] <johnkeates> odd, are you booting from nvme?
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2122 [19:46:41] <Henry151> yes,
2123 [19:46:46] <johnkeates> makes sense then
2124 [19:46:55] <somiaj> although cp is suggested, dd should work. I would run checksums on your image to make sure it wasn't corrupted.
2125 [19:47:21] <Henry151> i didn't know cp would work, even... always thought dd was recommended
2126 [19:47:23] <jelly> Henry151: is the server booting in uefi or legacy boot mode by default?
2127 [19:47:39] <johnkeates> the netinst image is hybrid, it's possible that your dell has a bad uefi/csm and tries to boot wrong
2128 [19:47:40] <Henry151> not 100% certain jelly
2129 [19:47:51] <Henry151> I tried a second time with wget replaced-url
2130 [19:47:58] <Henry151> and had the same result
2131 [19:47:59] <jelly> the docs have been suggesting cp for a couple releases now.
2132 [19:48:04] <somiaj> Henry151: cp is recommended in the debian install guide, mostly because a) nicer syntax that people are use to, b) nicer defaults for read/write block sizes.
2133 [19:48:13] <Henry151> ok, i'll try it out with cp
2134 [19:48:24] <somiaj> but this shouldn't be an issue, both work just fine.
2135 [19:48:29] <jhutchins_wk> Henry151: It's always been a good idea to checksum the image before you burn it, even though with a USB drive it only costs you time if it's bad.
2136 [19:48:29] <jelly> I have no idea if uppercase BS works
2137 [19:48:30] <johnkeates> DVD-1 won't work better than netinst, the issue is probably with the hybrid image
2138 [19:48:35] <Henry151> how do i check the integrity of the image file?
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2140 [19:48:42] <johnkeates> md5sum <image>
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2142 [19:48:48] <Henry151> jelly: it doesn't actually i just copy-pasted the wrong one
2143 [19:48:54] <johnkeates> or sha1sum
2144 [19:48:54] <Henry151> i used the lowercase for the actual operation
2145 [19:49:10] <Henry151> johnkeates: thanks, i've never bothered to checksum before
2146 [19:49:32] <jelly> Henry151: there's are checksum files and signatures in the same directory where the iso is/are.
2147 [19:49:39] <jelly> eg. replaced-url
2148 [19:49:53] <Henry151> i saw them there yeah
2149 [19:49:58] <johnkeates> if you can't find the checksum/sig file you can plug the hash in to a search engine and it'll find the file for you
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2151 [19:50:16] <johnkeates> but for security's sake i'd say get it from the source ;-)
2152 [19:50:32] <Henry151> so i run that command like "md5sum /path/to/imagefile.iso" and see if what outputs matches what's on that page?
2153 [19:50:34] <johnkeates> anyway, if the ISO is Ok and the USB drive as well, the problem lies with the boot method
2154 [19:50:41] <johnkeates> @Henry151 yes
2155 [19:50:47] <Henry151> cool thanks
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2161 [19:51:28] <jelly> Henry151: or download the MD5SUMS and grep the filename.
2162 [19:51:32] <johnkeates> for md5: e494e78d531352f0f3fdb210f13f7577 debian-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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2167 [19:52:44] <johnkeates> btw, that file missing error suggests you are booting in csm mode
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2170 [19:53:21] <jelly> Henry151: and then dd the same amount of bytes from the usb stick and pipe to md5sum -
2171 [19:53:26] <Henry151> ok, i have verified the checksum is good
2172 [19:53:58] <Henry151> file missing error suggests i'm booting in csm mode... what's csm mode?
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2174 [19:54:25] <Henry151> i gotta go in bios and tinker with something then right?
2175 [19:54:49] <jelly> first verify you've written all of the iso to that stick
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2184 [19:58:42] <Henry151> how do i do that exactly?
2185 [19:58:54] <Henry151> my dd command seemed to run all the way to completion...
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2187 [20:00:04] <Henry151> just on a guess, trying "sudo md5sum /dev/sda"
2188 [20:00:14] <johnkeates> no, it would read the entire drive
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2191 [20:00:21] <johnkeates> including bits beyond where the image was written
2192 [20:00:30] <Henry151> ok
2193 [20:00:42] <johnkeates> so the sum wouldn't match -- you could use dd to read the usb disk to the exact amount of bytes written
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2195 [20:00:53] <johnkeates> but i suspect it's not the USB drive, you'd have seen changes in errors
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2197 [20:01:09] <johnkeates> it's also not as common to have a DOA drive anymore
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2199 [20:01:24] <johnkeates> check your BIOS, see if you can enable the boot menu, disable CSM/bios mode
2200 [20:01:30] <Henry151> so, also, I notice when i plug in the drive and do an lsblk there is sda, but also sda1 and sda2 as well... i'm supposed to disregard those, right?
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2202 [20:01:38] <johnkeates> those are fine
2203 [20:01:41] <Henry151> ok
2204 [20:01:55] <Henry151> i'm trying to find a csm anything in the bios of the server but nothing yet
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2206 [20:02:01] <johnkeates> check the firmware settings (bios, uefi whatever), disable legacy/bios/csm booting
2207 [20:02:22] <johnkeates> then save and reboot, and use manual boot override (i.e. F10, F12, ESC whatever it suggests)
2208 [20:02:34] <Henry151> it's f11
2209 [20:02:36] <johnkeates> then it should show the USB disk once, sometimes prefixed with UEFI etc
2210 [20:02:38] <jelly> Henry151: say the iso image is 3620339712 bytes long. you'd dd just that and not more, eg. dd if=/dev/sda bs=2048 count=$((3620339712/2048)) | md5sum -
2211 [20:02:44] <Henry151> when i press f11 it does show the usb stick
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2215 [20:02:52] <johnkeates> does it show the disk twice or once
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2218 [20:03:01] <Henry151> just once
2219 [20:03:05] <johnkeates> twice = csm + uefi boot is on, once=either one is on
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2221 [20:03:16] <johnkeates> ok
2222 [20:03:32] <johnkeates> when you start it, does it show the graphic and the text select options?
2223 [20:03:33] <Henry151> jelly: any easy way to measure the number of bites in the iso? forgive my stupidity
2224 [20:03:40] <jelly> that x86_64 server might be old enough not to have uefi at all.
2225 [20:03:41] <johnkeates> count=$((3620339712/2048) does that
2226 [20:04:02] <jelly> Henry151: ls -l blah.iso
2227 [20:04:03] <johnkeates> ( i didnt even check the target system :p it's possible)
2228 [20:04:09] <Henry151> oh lol
2229 [20:04:11] <Henry151> there it is
2230 [20:04:24] <Henry151> ls -l !doh
2231 [20:04:29] <greycat> jelly's command assumes the file size is an exact multiple of 2048
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2234 [20:04:57] <jelly> greycat: if it's not, it's not an iso9660.
2235 [20:05:06] <johnkeates> true that^
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2237 [20:06:01] <jelly> bc <<< 'scale=6; 3620339712/2048'
2238 [20:06:24] <greycat> I already checked ;-)
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2240 [20:07:02] <johnkeates> does the target system have a service tag?
2241 [20:07:17] <jelly> finding a nice large bs to dd any file is left as an exercise for the reader
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2243 [20:07:39] <johnkeates> bs=3620339712 count=1
2244 [20:07:57] <johnkeates> there's some bs :p
2245 [20:08:07] <jelly> that'll work if you have 4GB free RAM, sure
2246 [20:08:56] <EdePopede> or $count+1, it should stop at EOF iirc
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2248 [20:08:59] <jelly> (linux kernel will lie to dd and slice reads into something like 256KiB anyway)
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2251 [20:09:30] <jelly> EdePopede: the point was to read exactly the size of the image, from an usb stick
2252 [20:09:37] <johnkeates> i love how almost all parts of an os just lie to eachother all day
2253 [20:09:42] <EdePopede> ah!
2254 [20:10:07] <jelly> it's all white lies until data is lost
2255 [20:12:50] <Henry151> man i have debian 9 on a disk somewhere but i can't find it
2256 [20:12:52] <Henry151> so frustrating
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2259 [20:14:10] <jelly> wait until you install the thing but the network does not work...
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2261 [20:14:43] <Henry151> like i went to the expense of buying it on disc to put it on my lenovo p51, then discovered my lenovo p51 didn't have a disc drive, laughed about it, ordered a a USB disc drive for my p51, then discovered that it wouldn't boot from disc over USB, and wound up having to do the same thing, make a usb thumbdrive...
2262 [20:15:10] <Henry151> then i go to install it on this new server i just picked up and i can't find the thumbdrive or the disc
2263 [20:15:29] <Henry151> so i go to make a new thumbdrive, do the exact same steps that worked last time, and they don't work this time
2264 [20:15:34] <Henry151> frustrating, to say the least
2265 [20:15:51] <Henry151> things never work the way they ought to >:(
2266 [20:16:29] <Henry151> rn i'm trying the cp method instead of the dd method, see if that works
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2268 [20:16:58] <Henry151> the target should be /dev/sda not /dev/sda/ right? (assuming my thumbdrive is at sda)
2269 [20:17:09] <greycat> yes, because it's not a directory
2270 [20:17:13] <Henry151> right
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2272 [20:17:20] <Henry151> that makes sense.
2273 [20:18:26] <Henry151> can't find a normal bios on this thing either...
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2276 [20:22:26] <olavx200> Does debian have a default network manager?
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2278 [20:22:48] <greycat> interfaces(5)
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2283 [20:24:21] <karlpinc> olavx200: Bear in mind that you need not install a GUI.
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2286 [20:25:01] <olavx200> karlpinc: im on a remote raspi. Im not planning to run a gui on it :)
2287 [20:25:18] <greycat> and even if you do install a GUI, it might not be a Desktop Environment, and it may not bring in network-manager
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2289 [20:25:28] <somiaj> olavx200: are you actually using debian on that rpi, or raspbian?
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2291 [20:26:27] <olavx200> replaced-url
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2293 [20:26:49] <olavx200> Debian ganoo slash linox
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2295 [20:28:00] <somiaj> that link dind't work for me
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2297 [20:28:30] <somiaj> either way, I don't know what debian ganoo is, and most rpies are using raspbian or some other debian derviative. You should ask support from them (espically about defaults, as those could be changed)
2298 [20:28:40] <olavx200> replaced-url
2299 [20:28:43] <olavx200> Im on debian
2300 [20:28:46] <greycat> cute-sy spelling of GNU
2301 [20:29:17] <somiaj> still not working, also fix your cert if you are gonna use https
2302 [20:29:27] <olavx200> its not my site
2303 [20:29:50] <nixew> Where can I found what packages are in the second and third installation ISO file?
2304 [20:29:53] <olavx200> Anyway it was just a neofetch of debian.
2305 [20:30:04] <Henry151> hey it's working now
2306 [20:30:05] <somiaj> nixew: I think the package lists are in the same directory as the imges.
2307 [20:30:14] <Henry151> don't know what i did to make it start working this time but whatever
2308 [20:30:18] <Henry151> thanks for the help folks
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2311 [20:31:17] <nixew> somiaj: replaced-url
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2313 [20:31:20] <nixew> I don't see any.
2314 [20:31:21] <somiaj> nixew: hmm, nevermind, my memeory doesn't seem to be correct.
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2317 [20:31:45] <somiaj> I think I'm remebering old live image package lists.
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2319 [20:32:02] <somiaj> nixew: any reason you actulaly need all the dvd images. It is often much easier to just configure apt to download only the packages you want.
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2321 [20:32:20] <nixew> somiaj: I don't need them. I just wonder what they contain.
2322 [20:32:29] <olavx200> Does debian have a standard network manager. I havent used debian very much and i cant figure out if it is like arch in that you set it up yourself, or if its setup be itself
2323 [20:32:36] <somiaj> nixew: replaced-url
2324 [20:32:42] <greycat> olavx200: interfaces(5)
2325 [20:33:02] <nixew> somiaj: Alright, thanks.
2326 [20:33:30] <olavx200> ow
2327 [20:33:33] <olavx200> thanks
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2330 [20:34:38] <olavx200> I didnt realise that it was directed to me the first time haha
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2334 [20:36:24] <Henry151> well
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2337 [20:36:34] <Henry151> now it can't seem to find a network connection
2338 [20:36:41] <choice> When I put "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null" in test.sh and then run ./test.sh - top shows "cat" on top. Why cat and not test.sh?
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2341 [20:37:12] <greycat> test.sh is run by a shell, either sh or bash most likely. in those shells, cat is an external command.
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2343 [20:37:22] <greycat> the shell forks and the child process execs cat, while the parent sleeps.
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2345 [20:37:49] <Henry151> it says "configuring the network with DHCP..." then it says "network autoconfiguration failed"
2346 [20:37:51] <choice> greycat: Interesting. Why does it fork?
2347 [20:38:00] <greycat> because that's how a shell runs an external command
2348 [20:38:40] <choice> Funny
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2350 [20:39:04] <choice> How would I manage to get my shell script on the top of top?
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2352 [20:39:21] <greycat> !wayrttd
2353 [20:39:35] <greycat> dpkg, wayrttd is <reply>What are you *really* trying to do?
2354 [20:39:36] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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2356 [20:40:04] <greycat> why do you state that you want to fudge the output of top in this way? what does that achieve?
2357 [20:40:23] <Henry151> any ideas about why it would fail at that step?
2358 [20:40:30] <greycat> Henry151: missing firmware?
2359 [20:40:42] <choice> greycat: Playing with Docker containers. People think it has no impact on the host what happens in the container. It would be funny to send funny messages to their top command from within a container.
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2361 [20:41:00] <Henry151> hm, i thought it would fail to detect the network card if i didn't have the right firmware for the network card
2362 [20:41:31] <Henry151> thanks greycat you're probably exactly right but i was assuming that it couldn't be
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2365 [20:41:59] <Henry151> there was even a popup about missing firmware that i disregarded
2366 [20:42:13] <Henry151> so i am sure i can figure it out from here
2367 [20:42:26] <somiaj> Henry151: dmesg | grep firmware (what firmare file is failing to load)?
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2369 [20:43:17] <Henry151> somiaj: i'm in the process of installing debian, it is not installed yet, i don't have a terminal, i'm in the graphical installer.
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2371 [20:43:58] <greycat> from the non-graphical installer, you can do Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a terminal
2372 [20:44:03] <greycat> maybe that also works in the graphical installer
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2374 [20:44:26] <somiaj> Henry151: at this point you have three options. 1) Finish the install without a network. Grab the firmware after the install is complete, then get your network up. 2) Start over and download a non-free installer with firmware included. 3) Get a second usb drive and put the firmware on it as per the instructions on the install guide.
2375 [20:44:46] <somiaj> I often do 1.
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2377 [20:44:58] <Henry151> thanks i'm going to try option 3 first
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2380 [20:45:59] <somiaj> Henry151: replaced-url
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2384 [20:47:12] <somiaj> ugg, I thought there was a better description than that link though. Basically just put the firmware in the top level directory of a second usb drive, and the installer should be able to find it (if you go back to the detect firmware stage)
2385 [20:47:35] <somiaj> I have never done this, and I know some people have trouble with it (Which is why I often suggest 1, just finish the install and deal with firmware once you have a fully funcational systme)
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2392 [20:49:55] <rany> choice, maybe use tput for that .. get # of current cols like this cols=`tput cols` and then to get to the top of the prompt do `tput cup 0 0` and write your output. to go back to the line you were in do `tput cup $cols`
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2394 [20:50:48] <choice> rany: I managed to get my message to the top of top by copying cat and renaming it now.
2395 [20:50:51] <rany> nevermind that was for columns :/
2396 [20:51:02] <rany> choice, great :)
2397 [20:51:27] <rany> the second opt is for row btw
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2402 [20:52:41] <rany> /ignore greycat
2403 [20:52:56] <greycat> Go for it.
2404 [20:53:22] <rany> nah, you're cool :D
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2425 [21:07:38] <Henry151> hi again
2426 [21:07:48] <dvs> oh noes!
2427 [21:08:02] <Henry151> so i put the missing firmware file on another thumbdrive and it doesn't seem to be detecting it
2428 [21:08:50] <Henry151> i found i can get to terminal from the installer as you described, with the ctrl-alt-f2
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2430 [21:09:15] <Henry151> i did dmesg and it looks like it is seeing the thumbdrive
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2433 [21:10:09] <Henry151> thumbdrive is formatted as ext4, and has just the one file on it, bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw
2434 [21:10:19] <dvs> anything wrong from use using the non-free installer?
2435 [21:10:24] <Henry151> it's detecting the thumbdrive as sdc: sdc1
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2441 [21:11:00] <dvs> Oops. I just saw somiaj's comment.
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2443 [21:11:45] <Henry151> and it says firmware: failed to load bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-6.2.3.fw (-2) then also direct firmware load for bnx2.... failed with error -2
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2445 [21:12:29] <Henry151> any good guesses or guidance on how to figure out what's wrong?
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2453 [21:17:42] <somiaj> Henry151: I've seen various users have trouble getting the installer to automatically detect/use additional firmware provided to it. I don't know the details, that is why I listed that as option 3, as the one I would not suggest but just wanted to list it.
2454 [21:18:23] <Henry151> fair enough. on to option 1
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2456 [21:18:50] <dvs> 1? I'd pick 2 personally.
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2464 [21:20:20] <somiaj> Yea the non-free images are the easiset. But the image does contain a complete install, so you can just finish the install and deal with this later which is far easier (though you will need some faimlarity with the command line for this)
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2467 [21:23:23] <Henry151> thank you
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2470 [21:23:46] <Henry151> i'm just finishing the install now
2471 [21:23:48] <Henry151> however
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2474 [21:24:57] <Henry151> i'm encountering something else i want to know about.. I'm at the partition disks screen now, and this server has actually got 8 2TB hard drives in it, but it's showing up as just a singl 16TB "sda" "DELL PERC 6/i"
2475 [21:25:20] <somiaj> There is probably some hardware raid striping all the disks together.
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2477 [21:25:43] <somiaj> You will need to use the firmware on that hardware to configure how it shows the disks to the os I belive (unsure on exact details though)
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2479 [21:26:12] <dvs> Ouch. Judging by the capacity, if one drive goes down, the whole virtual drive is toast.
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2481 [21:26:20] <Henry151> should i start over with all but one drive pulled out? I had figured on having the OS on just one drive and the others separate storage containers
2482 [21:26:46] <somiaj> I would see what sort of options the firmare of that dell gives you for how the disks are raided together.
2483 [21:26:48] <greycat> Can you reconfigure it to do RAID 5 or something instead of just concatenating or concat-with-striping them?
2484 [21:26:56] <olavx200_> when i run ifup wlan0 i get this
2485 [21:26:59] <olavx200_> wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start
2486 [21:27:04] <olavx200_> i am running it as root
2487 [21:27:13] <Henry151> i'll have to check that out in the utility
2488 [21:27:15] <Henry151> thanks
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2495 [21:30:12] <rwp> Henry151, My experience with motherboard raid is that if the motherboard dies then you must use an identical motherboard raid controller in order to access the drive data. Basically meaning that unless you have spares all is lost other than backups.
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2500 [21:31:15] <Henry151> i wanted them to each be treated as completely separate drives
2501 [21:31:27] <Henry151> and just have 8 2TB volumes
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2503 [21:32:11] <rwp> That would be safer, safe from failed BIOS raid controller anyway. I personally would do RAID 6 using mdadm software raid. But you know what you are doing.
2504 [21:32:21] <Henry151> I'm in the "PERC 6/i Integrated BIOS Configuration Utility 1..22.52-1909" .. it seems to be saying RAID Level is RAID-0 but I can't seem to change that
2505 [21:32:56] <rwp> Ah, a Dell controller. And yes RAID-0 is striped across all drives.
2506 [21:32:58] <dvs> Switch the RAID off entirely if you can.
2507 [21:33:02] <rwp> I believe the PERC manuals are online.
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2509 [21:33:50] <rwp> olavx200_, Hopefully you gave wpa_supplicant more options than none? Something like this is more typical: wpa_supplicant -D nl80211,wext -i wlan0 -c <(wpa_passphrase "your_SSID" "your_key")
2510 [21:34:02] <alphazulu> anyone know if there's a command-line adoc viewer?
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2513 [21:34:39] <alphazulu> seeing a lot of github docs in that format
2514 [21:35:43] <olavx200_> rwp: i ran wpa_supplicant -B -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dwext
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2516 [21:35:56] <Henry151> ok what are these "raid levels"
2517 [21:36:09] <greycat> replaced-url
2518 [21:36:20] <dvs> ???
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2521 [21:37:41] <EdePopede> alphazulu: asciidoc? try `less`
2522 [21:37:45] <rwp> Henry151, The good thing about the Dell PERC controller is that it negates my message about motherboard BIOS failure. You will always be able to buy another PERC card if it fails. And would then be able to access the disks in that case. But I said that because I was expecting that it was a cheap on-board BIOS RAID which are all uniquely different.
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2524 [21:38:23] <EdePopede> alphazulu: and if you prefer to convert it to whatever, maybe `pandoc`
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2531 [21:40:14] <alphazulu> EdePopede: thanks. yes with less it doesn't parse the markup. was hoping something would parse and prettify the markup
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2533 [21:41:02] <EdePopede> alphazulu: pandoc with a target that works in the terminal. html and a text mode browser, maybe texinfo
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2542 [21:43:04] <Henry151> interesting read, all these different raid types
2543 [21:43:13] <alphazulu> asciidoctor worked nicely! converted it to .html then used links to view. thanks!
2544 [21:43:24] <Henry151> however, i see three in my bios that i don't see on the wikipedia page: raid-10 raid-50 and raid-60
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2548 [21:43:59] <somiaj> I belive 10 = 1+0, 50 = 5_0
2549 [21:44:10] <Henry151> hm
2550 [21:44:10] <somiaj> so it is a combination of striping and mirring
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2552 [21:44:33] <Henry151> i'm almost tempted to do raid-1 since I have no need for 16 whole TB
2553 [21:44:42] <Henry151> 2TB is plentiful
2554 [21:44:53] <Henry151> then each of these 8 drives would be a perfect mirror of each other, right?
2555 [21:44:55] <dvs> across 8 disks?
2556 [21:44:58] <Henry151> lol
2557 [21:45:03] <Henry151> it would be absurdity
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2559 [21:45:10] <Henry151> but it would have super fast read times!
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2561 [21:45:40] <Henry151> i had never read about what RAID meant at all, so this is all a novel concept to me
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2564 [21:46:22] <Henry151> what would you guys advise? is RAID-6 markedly slower than normal, or "no raid"?
2565 [21:46:35] <dvs> no raid. Let the software do the work.
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2569 [21:46:56] <somiaj> A lot depends no your use case and what sort of speed/backups/size/mirriong is needed.
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2571 [21:47:18] <somiaj> Though I'm not the one to ask, I don't really use raid as my hardware is all desktops/laptops, no server end stuff.
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2576 [21:47:44] <Henry151> hmm.. i also find it interesting how these drives can each slide in and out
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2578 [21:48:35] <somiaj> that PERC controler is nice, I think it even allows hot swap if one of the drives goes bad you can replace it. Though only if you hav the right raid setup.
2579 [21:48:36] <Henry151> so i could y'know, make backups of my filesystem on them, and keep them in a safe or somewhere separate from the actual server, to have extra protection against disasters or whatever
2580 [21:48:53] <Henry151> and like, have a rotation schedule or something
2581 [21:48:56] <Henry151> oh boy
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2583 [21:49:14] <somiaj> Usually that isn't done by sliding the drives in and out.
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2585 [21:49:28] <somiaj> that is done by having backup scripts copying your data offsite
2586 [21:49:46] <olavx200> Im reading the debian wiki
2587 [21:49:49] <olavx200> replaced-url
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2589 [21:49:50] <Henry151> well it would be totally redundant and unnecessary i suppose
2590 [21:49:56] <olavx200> it says wireless-mode [MODE]
2591 [21:50:00] <Henry151> i have tarsnap set up and do daily backups with a cron job
2592 [21:50:01] <olavx200> Im not sure what is menbt by mode
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2595 [21:50:15] <Henry151> on my three debian laptops
2596 [21:50:27] <Henry151> so i can just do the same backup setup on this rig and not have to worry about it
2597 [21:51:01] <Henry151> the thing is, I can't seem to figure out how to turn RAID off entirely
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2599 [21:53:33] <Henry151> i think i'll do RAID-1 on a pair of them; then RAID-5 or RAID-6 on the rest of them all together. Recommendations? Advice?
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2601 [21:54:58] <dvs> That sounds fine. That'll result in two logical drives: one 2TB and one 4TB with two spares (I think).
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2621 [22:05:42] <Henry151> good lord i'm "initializing" virtual disk 0 (the two drives with RAID-1) and it says 4 hours and 3 minutes remaining
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2624 [22:06:46] <jhutchins_wk> How big?
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2628 [22:07:03] <Henry151> 2TB
2629 [22:07:05] <Henry151> each
2630 [22:07:11] <Henry151> so 2TB total
2631 [22:07:15] <jhutchins_wk> That sounds pretty fast.
2632 [22:07:34] <jhutchins_wk> SSD?
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2634 [22:07:50] <greycat> extremely unlikely
2635 [22:08:27] <jhutchins_wk> We have HUGE SSD arrays here.
2636 [22:08:37] <jhutchins_wk> Many terabytes.
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2638 [22:10:22] <Henry151> i had nothing to compare to
2639 [22:10:24] <Henry151> but that's fine
2640 [22:10:33] <Henry151> i'll give it all the time it needs, i am patient
2641 [22:10:41] <Henry151> i just thought maybe there was something wrong
2642 [22:10:52] <greycat> no, that's typical
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2644 [22:11:56] <GNU\colossus> Linux md limits resync speed to 200MiB/s per array by default
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2646 [22:12:23] <GNU\colossus> what kind of RAID solution do you have in use?
2647 [22:13:48] <dvs> Dell PERC
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2685 [22:40:43] <jhutchins_wk> Pure NAS.
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2766 [23:43:55] <aexl> hi. can anyone help me start mldonkey-server? it used to run but suddenly it stopped. i didn't restart or installed anything at the time given in these logs: replaced-url
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2781 [23:48:56] <olivetre-> testing
2782 [23:49:11] * olivetre- testing
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2786 [23:55:10] <paul`> Whats the story on Evince? Some of the features don't work.
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2795 [23:59:18] <aexl> which paul`?
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