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• 2[00:00:32] <usrdev> anyone have experience with creating your own Debian installer ISO? i saw some documentation surrounding this on Debians site, but wanted first hand feedback
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• 6[00:02:23] <k3g> usrdev, I didn't use the official debian workflow
• 7[00:02:30] <k3g> but FAI isn't too bad to set up
• 8[00:02:31] <k3g> replaced-url
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• 10[00:02:45] <k3g> if you know what you want, it does it all with minimal user interaction
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• 15[00:06:13] <usrdev> nice! thanks. i'll check it out!
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• 24[00:11:42] <mrjpaxton> k3g: Sounds neat, but can you install it to a thumb drive and use it like a Live CD as well?
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• 29[00:13:49] <k3g> mrjpaxton, if so I've never used it that way.
• 30[00:14:10] <k3g> I've used it for a bunch of kinds of headless installs, or for a 'base' image onto a new machine
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• 59[00:27:33] <chet> Hey all
• 60[00:28:38] <chet> so first question coming from ubuntu, how come bash complete is installed but only works for things that would be in my path
• 61[00:29:46] <chet> completion*
• 62[00:30:43] <Ede|Popede> chet: do you mean finding commands or possible options for the command you are about to execute?
• 63[00:31:12] <chet> is there some other ubuntu magic that lets it complete for example... apt install chro<tab>
• 64[00:31:26] <chet> Ede|Popede: yes I think so
• 65[00:32:13] <Ede|Popede> chet: as in /etc/bash_completion.d and the files from /etc/bash_completion?
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• 67[00:33:01] <chet> Ede|Popede: well it completes things that would be on my path but tab doesnt work any farther down the commmand
• 68[00:33:58] <Ede|Popede> the possibilities are endless as it seems, only someone would have to write or extend the completions for the particular commands. in your example it would mean parsing the db and list the hits
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• 71[00:35:02] <chet> it is very useful
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• 74[00:36:49] <chet> wonder if there is a how to somewhere... jeepers the internet is getting littered with introduction videos and how to's, same content over and over
• 75[00:36:52] <Ede|Popede> chet: links -<TAB>
• 76[00:37:17] <Ede|Popede> finally found one which may be installed
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• 79[00:38:03] <Ede|Popede> or `lsof -g` returns a list of PIDs
• 80[00:38:52] <chet> Ede|Popede: oh it seems the hyphen is problem...
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• 82[00:39:29] <Ede|Popede> with a space in front it should complete to filenames i think
• 83[00:39:44] <Ede|Popede> or no, see lsof -g
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• 85[00:40:06] <Ede|Popede> with the correct option in front of that space it should use a defined helper function
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• 88[00:40:53] <chet> Ede|Popede: thank you :-)
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• 93[00:44:03] <Ede|Popede> sorry i can't tell you more, but completions are still on my bucket list ;)
• 94[00:44:15] <Ede|Popede> "24hrs are not enough"
• 95[00:44:27] <chet> I say that often
• 96[00:44:32] <magic_ninja> man debian just keeps blowing me away
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• 105[00:54:24] <vishal> chet: you can see what completion function is used for each command using complete -p
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• 107[00:54:50] <vishal> once you have the function name, you can use some PS4 and BASH_SOURCE trickery to find the file from which it was sourced
• 108[00:55:01] <vishal> in case you want to inspect those completions
• 109[00:55:33] <vishal> When I wanted to write custom completions for a package, I used git's and perf's completions as a starting point
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• 111[00:56:13] <vishal> (git completions have evolved to be quite a beast; my fork was from a simpler time)
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• 123[01:03:31] <thavaneswaran> Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
• 124[01:03:31] <thavaneswaran> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
• 125[01:03:31] <thavaneswaran> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
• 126[01:03:31] <thavaneswaran> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
• 127[01:03:31] <thavaneswaran> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar I NEED MORE INFO
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• 130[01:03:33] <hazlewood> Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
• 131[01:03:33] <hazlewood> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
• 132[01:03:33] <hazlewood> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
• 133[01:03:33] <hazlewood> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
• 134[01:03:33] <hazlewood> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar I NEED MORE INFO
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• 139[01:03:35] <perrimon> Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
• 140[01:03:35] <perrimon> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
• 141[01:03:35] <perrimon> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
• 142[01:03:35] <perrimon> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
• 143[01:03:35] <perrimon> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar I NEED MORE INFO
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• 145[01:03:35] <dowsland> Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
• 146[01:03:35] <dowsland> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
• 147[01:03:35] <dowsland> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
• 148[01:03:35] <dowsland> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
• 149[01:03:35] <dowsland> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar I NEED MORE INFO
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• 153[01:03:43] <haifa> Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
• 154[01:03:43] <haifa> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
• 155[01:03:43] <haifa> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
• 156[01:03:43] <haifa> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
• 157[01:03:43] <haifa> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar I NEED MORE INFO
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• 173[01:16:48] <chet> exit
• 174[01:16:55] <chet> quit
• 175[01:17:07] <Ede|Popede> /quit
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• 182[01:22:37] <annadane> :q!
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• 184[01:24:46] <AK> annadane: it isn't vim :-)
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• 186[01:26:48] <magic_ninja> suggestions for mail clients?
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• 190[01:29:02] <chet> hey why dont I have a bash_profile?
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• 194[01:33:07] <Ede|Popede> ls doesn't show one?
• 195[01:33:40] <Ede|Popede> ah. chet: .profile
• 196[01:33:45] <hypn0> don't you create one, its normal?
• 197[01:34:15] <hypn0> .bashrc?
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• 199[01:34:28] <magic_ninja> chet, it isn't a big deal. If one doesnt' exist it uses the system default. Unless you want to do something specific or change specific options, no need.
• 200[01:34:39] <Ede|Popede> if there's none in /etc/skel ...
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• 203[01:36:22] <Ede|Popede> the INVOCATION segment of its manpage still makes me feel tired
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• 316[03:20:47] <magic_ninja> so I pointed my /bin/sh to dash instead of bash and now I got no colors, and it doesn't show a working directory
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• 326[03:29:22] <effraie> replaced-url
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• 339[03:40:23] <themill> magic_ninja: /bin/sh → dash has been the default for a long time; you don't use /bin/sh for your interactive shell though, your shell should still be /bin/bash
• 340[03:41:13] <magic_ninja> themill, thanks for the info. I did a dpkg-reconfigure dash and set it to no.
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• 345[03:44:54] <themill> you're better off leaving sh → dash, although since sh is no longer invoked a million times during the boot sequence, that's less important, I guess.
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• 360[03:56:17] <GenTooMan> themill I solved my broken install by reinstalling Debian stretch. Now things work but a lot of development software wants reinstalled.
• 361[03:57:26] <dvs> ...
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• 375[04:10:03] <GenTooMan> well truth be told things were too broken to easily fix so cleaning things out was the only option. so reinstall. Sadly I have to readd all the python stuff I had working.
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• 383[04:13:04] <jmcnaught> GenTooMan: how did you "add the python stuff?" Is that what messed everything up?
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• 390[04:21:09] <GenTooMan> jmcnaught I reinstalled debian from scratch my /home and /usr/src were seperate partitions but I had to clean / /usr /usr/local /tmp and /var by reformatting them so nothing was in them when I installed. So I just reinstalled python through apt-get
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• 393[04:22:17] <jmcnaught> GenTooMan: I saw in one of your pastes from earlier that the python package wasn't installed
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• 395[04:23:52] <GenTooMan> jmcnaught yes well I gave up trying to fix it and redid it turned out to be faster and less frustrating. the network interface worked so installation was mostly a breeze. Still BFI but it fixed the issues.
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• 467[05:23:23] <rant> do we have firmware installers for buster?
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• 475[05:27:47] <rant> I know we have firmware images and I know we have buster installers.. what I'm not sure of is if we have firmware buster installers :P
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• 479[05:28:43] <rant> nm I found it replaced-url
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• 488[05:35:07] <annadane> there are old buster firmware installers, and there are bold buster firmware installers, but there are no old, bold buster firmware installers
• 489[05:36:47] <dvs> yes, but they were sold
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• 643[08:18:41] <eatox> I have Debian installed on a partition with encrypted LVM. Is it enough, in order to wipe the hard drive, when I overwrite the whole hard drive with /dev/urandom using dd?
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• 645[08:19:25] <jelly> you just need to overwrite LUKS header.
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• 647[08:19:51] <jelly> overwriting the whole drive is for plaintext.
• 648[08:20:36] <eatox> What does the LUKS header contain?
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• 650[08:21:38] <eatox> I found this: replaced-url
• 651[08:22:11] <jelly> roughly, keys needed for decryption are there by default
• 652[08:22:20] <rudi_s> eatox: The master key (used to encrypt the remaining disk) encrypted with your password. If you wipe that (for example with cryptsetup luksErase) the data cannot be recovered (unless aes is broken).
• 653[08:22:51] <m4ch1n3znc> propably a long disk encryption/decryption key that is encrypted with your passphrase
• 654[08:23:02] <eatox> Alright, get it. Thanks.
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• 678[08:36:06] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i have strange lags in my debian system, i checked the smartmontools but there seems to be all ok, what else can be the problem
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• 680[08:36:51] <rocketmagnet> i there a benchmark tool to find out where the lags is comming form ?
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• 701[08:47:15] <m4ch1n3znc> ah he left
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• 835[10:12:23] <eimiar> about debian mirrors: i noticed that the mirror i've always been using is not anymore in the mirrors list (replaced-url
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• 883[10:43:09] <SZO> An educated guess, but it may have to do with it simply just being a mirror from a provider that could not provide anymore
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• 887[10:43:43] <eimiar> SZO, the mirror still works
• 888[10:44:03] <eimiar> the webpage i just linked was last modified on apr 4th
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• 890[10:44:42] <eimiar> that means i have been using my old mirror for (at least) the last two months
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• 892[10:47:25] <SZO> Ahh so its more a question of what the sources relationship with debian is currently?
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• 898[10:53:29] <eimiar> yes
• 899[10:53:50] <eimiar> actually i don't know if that's the question, but surely i'm interested
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• 907[10:58:02] <jelly> eimiar: no idea, but it does not really matter if pgp signatures are valid and apt does not complain
• 908[10:58:50] <eimiar> jelly, indeed it does not
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• 910[10:59:01] <eimiar> but people wouldn't know if that particular mirror is on/off
• 911[10:59:12] <eimiar> simply because is not listed
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• 913[10:59:19] <eimiar> (not anymore at least)
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• 918[11:01:31] <eimiar> archive.org suggests me that mirror is unlisted since dec 2017
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• 921[11:04:15] <themill> eimiar: mirror owners sometimes ask to be removed. Poorly maintained mirrors that are frequently out of sync can get removed too
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• 924[11:06:12] <eimiar> themill, ok but i'd like to know why that specific mirror was removed
• 925[11:06:33] <SZO> From the installation process?
• 926[11:06:58] <eimiar> SZO, what?
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• 931[11:08:01] <SZO> Whichever mirror you are talking about, you said it still works. Is the mirror available during the installation process?
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• 937[11:09:40] <eimiar> SZO, the mirror is unlisted in the installation process and is also unlisted in the mirror list (replaced-url
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• 940[11:10:19] <eimiar> my question is: where can i find an announce that says: "mirror X has been closed because $REASONS"?
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• 944[11:10:56] <eimiar> i've been looking in debian-mirrors-announce mailing list so far and found nothing yet
• 945[11:11:23] <SZO> Try and contact the mirror
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• 953[11:14:49] <themill> which mirror btw?
• 954[11:14:55] <eimiar> debian.fastweb.it
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• 956[11:15:37] <themill> replaced-url
• 957[11:16:03] <eimiar> thanks themill that's exactly what i was looking for
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• 1004[11:49:03] <TheL4ughingM4n> testing
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• 1013[11:52:09] <eimiar> TheL4ughingM4n, we read your tests
• 1014[11:52:17] <SZO> Don't you quit on me
• 1015[11:52:23] <TheL4ughingM4n> lol
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• 1047[12:14:52] <en01> sup
• 1048[12:15:01] <en01> en0 sup
• 1049[12:15:03] <munshine> Hello ! I have this remote server running a service (Taiga). On my local machine, I want to daily backup my postrgresql database. I found that I can simply do `ssh user@my.server.ip "pg_dumb dbname" >> backup.sql` which is perfect! Now in order to automate the process, I would need to get the connection to be done automatically without me entering the password. Although I feel like it's unsafe to write the ssh password straight in the command line.
• 1050[12:15:04] <munshine> How could I avoid that ? Is there a way to tell my server to "trust" my computer ? Sorry, I'm a total beginner, following tutorials. Thanks :)
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• 1053[12:16:06] <Fox> munshine: use .pgpass file
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• 1055[12:16:47] <themill> munshine: which password do you need? for the ssh connection or for talking to pg?
• 1056[12:17:08] <munshine> ho sorry, yes, the ssh password
• 1057[12:17:12] <themill> !ssh without password
• 1058[12:17:12] <dpkg> (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) ssh-copy-id server.example.com. Ask me about <keychain> and <ssh-askpass> for ways of storing your ssh key's passphrase between uses. If you are wanting to use ssh to allow root logins for rsync backups (or something similar to that) then you might want to limit what this key can do and from where you can use it, see replaced-url
• 1059[12:17:45] <munshine> ha thank you!
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• 1064[12:21:14] <netriber> Hello, what does this mean "TypeError: 'name' is an invalid keyword argument for FileProcessed"?
• 1065[12:21:35] <netriber> sorry , wrong channel
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• 1130[12:57:50] <Section9> I'm hoping someone can point me to a simple solution for an issue I'm having with a Debian based distro. I'm running Kali on one system, and it has multiple nvme drives, and which one is which number seems to be assigned randomly at boot, some sometimes the drive I boot from is listed as /dev/nvme0, sometimes it'll be /dev/nvme1 or 2, is there an easy solution to this?
• 1131[12:58:24] <Section9> currently, I've been mass rebooting until it ends up randomly matching, or if it seems to not match for a few tries, I ls /dev to look for the drive with the right partitions, then edit the boot arguments
• 1132[12:58:51] <avu> !based on debian
• 1133[12:58:51] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1140[13:02:20] <antto> ,v kicad
• 1141[13:02:21] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4; stretch-backports: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.1.2+dfsg1-1
• 1142[13:02:55] <BCMM> Section9: basically, don't use Kali like that. it's a live pentesting system that's of very little use for anything else; booting it from an internal disk usually means you've made a mistake
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• 1144[13:03:10] <BCMM> but anyway, kali has its own channel
• 1145[13:03:11] <BCMM> !kali
• 1146[13:03:12] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1150[13:04:00] <Section9> thanks BCMM, and while the USB/live and persistence is useful, it doesn't work well enough when you need very large datasets, and VMs for demonstrations
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• 1154[13:05:05] <BCMM> Section9: point is, you've found one of the many things that's buggy because kali devs don't really seem to test it as an installed distro
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• 1156[13:05:56] <Section9> yep :P sadly when I was trying to use Debian, I couldn't get my graphics to work right, spent a day trying to debug it, including getting help here
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• 1160[13:06:20] <Section9> at least in Kali it works :/ though I would rather build the tools from Kali in/on Debian to use them then the other way around
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• 1162[13:07:06] <BCMM> hmm, odd that it would work in kali and not debian
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• 1164[13:07:41] <BCMM> but yeah, just installing whatever software you actually use on a proper distro would usually be my recommendation to kali-on-a-hard-disk users
• 1165[13:08:14] <Section9> yeah, as best as I could figure it out, issues with the proprietary drivers and kernel version compatibility
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• 1167[13:08:36] <BCMM> nvidia?
• 1168[13:08:39] <Section9> Vega 64 is not a common GPU, esp. on a TR platform
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• 1170[13:09:04] <Section9> I wish, at least in the past, Nvidia rarely gave me issues
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• 1172[13:09:07] <BCMM> not really sure what a "tr platform" is
• 1173[13:09:13] <Section9> threadripper
• 1174[13:10:11] <BCMM> but i would expect the vega64 to just work with the amdgpu driver. it *really* shouldn't need a proprietary driver
• 1175[13:10:31] <Section9> it does if you need gpgpu/opencl functionality
• 1176[13:10:37] <BCMM> the issue wasn't just non-free *firmware* was it?
• 1177[13:10:47] <BCMM> oh right, amdgpu pro
• 1178[13:10:50] <Section9> nope, tried with the firmware packages, still no good
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• 1182[13:11:34] <Section9> sadly the documentation of how to get it working is somewhere between non-existent and incorrect
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• 1184[13:11:52] <BCMM> yeah, nobody really seems to package amdgpu pro
• 1185[13:12:00] <Section9> and I was on a tight deadline
• 1186[13:12:30] <BCMM> i might reluctantly suggest using ubuntu, just because it's a platform AMD actually supports
• 1187[13:12:36] <Section9> so after spending a full day trying to make it work in Debian, I tried a Kali live eval, and it "just worked", hence installing it on the system for the demo
• 1188[13:12:52] <Section9> *shudder* I like my more stable Debian base
• 1189[13:12:53] <BCMM> opencl stuff "just worked" on kali?
• 1190[13:13:05] <Section9> but Ubuntu might be worth a shot
• 1191[13:13:06] <Section9> yep
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• 1194[13:13:21] <Section9> I booted, it saw the card, I got correct resolution, and it worked
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• 1204[13:18:41] <Section9> well, I completed my demo on Friday, was dealing with a stomach bug monday and tuesday, not back at my desk trying to figure out how to do some other stuff I need done, and would like to get this install either semi-fixed, or migrate to a different distro :P
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• 1207[13:19:43] <Section9> sadly I'm beyond my ability to debug wtf is wrong with my gpu in debian itself, but I will admit I haven't touched ubuntu in five years, it might not be so bad anymore. Maybe.
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• 1212[13:23:07] <becks`> hi, so I changed my nic's MAC address (e1000 on vmware), not it has disappeared from ifconfig :/ how can I fix this?
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• 1221[13:28:33] <Section9> becks, did you change it while the VM was running?
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• 1223[13:29:13] <Section9> iirc network interface discovery is usually done during boot, most likely the interface would be available with a new name after the next boot, but I haven't dealt with that for a few years
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• 1234[13:38:28] <becks`> Section9 no I shut it down before.. weird, thought it should reappear in ifconfig with a different mac and probably interface name
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• 1238[13:40:08] <Section9> that's what I would expect, at least based on my past experiences as well
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• 1332[14:52:28] <en01> Anyone familiar with the userland app on Android?
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• 1375[15:27:55] <zodd> How to install Go (packages) the most Debian-esk way? (I want to use unixodbc from Go)
• 1376[15:28:15] <zodd> afaik there is no go-odbc Debian package
• 1377[15:31:50] <karlpinc> becks`: Start by looking at the kernel logs and dmesg output. Is this a system you upgraded from jessie?
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• 1399[15:45:02] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
• 1400[15:45:18] <rocketmagnet> i have a simple question - how can i make changes to xinput permanent ?
• 1401[15:45:50] <greycat> do you mean like replaced-url
• 1402[15:46:01] <rocketmagnet> i need the line xinput map-top-output HDMI-0 to be autostarted, itred to set it to autostart and to set it into /user/xsessionrc but that did't worked
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• 1404[15:46:25] <greycat> if it's in ~/.xsessionrc (note the dot) it should run when you start X in Debian, no matter how you start X
• 1405[15:46:38] <greycat> of course, something else that starts up at the same time could override it
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• 1412[15:50:22] <rocketmagnet> greycat: can't i add the option to /usr/share/xorg.conf.d/70-wacom.conf ?
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• 1414[15:50:50] <greycat> I have never modified the system's startup stuff in order to make things run for me.
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• 1417[15:51:28] <greycat> I don't even HAVE that directory.
• 1418[15:51:33] <greycat> are you sure you're on Debian?
• 1419[15:51:56] <rocketmagnet> yes, stable
• 1420[15:53:01] <greycat> ,file 70-wacom.conf
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• 1422[15:53:05] <judd> Search for 70-wacom.conf in stretch/amd64: xserver-xorg-input-wacom: usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-wacom.conf
• 1423[15:53:28] <greycat> ah, you typed the directory name wrong
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• 1429[15:54:33] <rocketmagnet> back - also if i add the line into my .bashrc it has no effect =(
• 1430[15:54:39] <greycat> that's expected.
• 1431[15:54:50] <greycat> .bashrc is NOT read when starting X
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• 1433[15:55:39] <rocketmagnet> what else can i do ?
• 1434[15:55:42] <JolietJakeBlues> how come unattended-upgrades is such a pain? I already told the system to remove unattended-upgrades, and I clicked "Never" from Software&Updates menu, and now I commanded "sudo apt remove --purge unattended-upgrades". I do not want my computer to hang or reboot when I am not on the computer.
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• 1437[15:56:37] <greycat> rocketmagnet: it should *run* if it's in ~/.xsessionrc and you can confirm that by putting commands that write to a log file in there and observing the log file afterward (or run something with visible effects like xeyes& )
• 1438[15:56:43] <zodd> does a go-lang debian irc channel exist? I could not find one on oftc
• 1439[15:57:10] <greycat> rocketmagnet: if it runs too early, maybe you can try some god-awful trickery like (sleep 3; your command) &
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• 1441[15:57:31] <greycat> but if the real issue is "GNOME overrides it" or something, then the real solution would be in the GNOME space
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• 1447[15:58:27] <BCMM> rocketmagnet: it's /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d, not /usr/share/xorg.conf.d/
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• 1457[16:03:52] <rocketmagnet> BCMM: and i can use it to make my xinput line parmanent ?
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• 1459[16:04:07] <BCMM> assuming you're setting options that have equivalents in xorg.conf, sure
• 1460[16:04:13] <BCMM> (the other option is to just run a script at login)
• 1461[16:04:35] <rocketmagnet> i tried to run the script from .bashrc but not result =(
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• 1467[16:06:59] <BCMM> rocketmagnet: .bashrc is sourced when you start an interactive bash shell
• 1468[16:07:09] <BCMM> rocketmagnet: not when you log in to a graphical session
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• 1470[16:07:34] <BCMM> rocketmagnet: what desktop environment do you use? most of them have a feature to run a script at login time
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• 1472[16:07:48] <BCMM> (if not, you might be able to run it through your display manager)
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• 1477[16:08:57] <nerditup> I have two network interfaces, one is configured via DHCP and the other has a static configuration. I am having trouble configuring a default route (that the NIC configured via DHCP will use) and a static route for the second NIC to use.
• 1478[16:09:26] <nerditup> I'm hoping to make this persistent so I'm working on the /etc/network/interfaces file
• 1479[16:09:30] <greycat> you know that you can only have one default gateway, right?
• 1480[16:10:58] <nerditup> There are machines that aren't seen by the gateway and I was hoping to use a second gateway to reach them? Maybe that doesn't make sense.
• 1481[16:11:29] <nerditup> A static route + gateway (as a fallback)
• 1482[16:12:40] <greycat> and of course there are no examples of static routes in interfaces(5) because why would there be
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• 1485[16:14:18] <rocketmagnet> BCMM: i'm using glade, but i also tried to add it to the startup apps but nothing changed
• 1486[16:14:27] <rocketmagnet> i mean mate
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• 1488[16:15:00] <greycat> no examples on replaced-url
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• 1490[16:15:51] <greycat> a stackexchange result (from google) talks about something called a "named routing table" and an /etc/iproute2/ directory
• 1491[16:16:28] <greycat> same result also has "post-up ip route ..." commands in a different section of the answer
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• 1495[16:19:31] <BCMM> nerditup: note that "post-up" is just a general mechanism to run commands after an interface starts. setting static routes is not, as such, a feature of the interfaces file
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• 1497[16:20:31] <nifker> what compiler is /usr/bin/c++?
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• 1499[16:20:45] <greycat> it's probably a symlink
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• 1501[16:22:27] <BCMM> nifker: `file /usr/bin/c++` shows that it's a symlink to /etc/alternatives/c++
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• 1504[16:22:47] <BCMM> nifker: so you can use the debian alternatives system to control which compiler actually gets called when you type `c++`
• 1505[16:22:49] <nifker> thanks I found out its g++
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• 1511[16:28:22] <nifker> how can I properly change it?
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• 1515[16:29:21] <nerditup> BCMM: okay, I am essentially trying to be a router where if the destination is 10.0.50.X use this static route, otherwise use the default Gateway
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• 1517[16:29:54] <nerditup> So this shouldn't be done in the network interfaces file? I think the term for what I'm trying to do is called dual homing?
• 1518[16:30:32] <nerditup> Any suggestion on the best practices way to persistently setup a static route for a host?
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• 1521[16:32:29] <no_gravity> Hello! I tried to create a ~/.XCompose file to map key sequences. But it seems to be ignored.
• 1522[16:32:32] <no_gravity> Any ideas why?
• 1523[16:32:59] <no_gravity> I wonder if I simply should alter /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
• 1524[16:33:48] <no_gravity> Hmm.. changes in that file also seem to be ignored.
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• 1526[16:33:54] <no_gravity> Do I have to reboot?
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• 1537[16:38:54] <jelly> BCMM, nifker: alternatives is NOT used for /usr/bin/gcc or /usr/bin/g++
• 1538[16:39:11] <no_gravity> one moment, have to reboot...
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• 1540[16:39:22] <BCMM> jelly: sorry, who said it was?
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• 1542[16:39:35] <nifker> jelly: ok I just used a symlink now
• 1543[16:39:49] <jelly> set your CC or CXX env. vars as appropriate and hope the build system obeys
• 1544[16:39:59] <jelly> BCMM: this bcmm fella did
• 1545[16:40:13] <BCMM> jelly: i'm talking about the c++ symlink. not the g++ symlink.
• 1546[16:40:22] <BCMM> jelly: update-alternatives --display c++
• 1547[16:40:47] <jelly> ha!
• 1548[16:40:55] <jelly> okay then :-)
• 1549[16:41:09] <BCMM> what does ha! mean? i didn't even mention g++...
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• 1562[16:44:36] <jelly> here it means something like "I didn't even know there was such a thing so I misread"
• 1563[16:45:02] <BCMM> oh, right. it's basically like `cc`, but for c++
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• 1580[16:53:39] <no_gravity> It seems my compose keys are not read from /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
• 1581[16:53:45] <no_gravity> I wonder where they are defined.
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• 1658[17:40:00] <echoSMILE> at stretch version, openvpn systemctl restart openvpn.service will catch /etc/openvpn/*.conf ?
• 1659[17:41:04] <echoSMILE> To automatically start a VPN located in /etc/openvpn/client/ or /etc/openvpn/server/, enable openvpn-client@<name>.service or openvpn-server@<name>.service.
• 1660[17:41:08] <echoSMILE> got it.
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• 1678[18:00:17] <NetTerminalGene> i enabled firefox gpu webrender on intel gpu. but it uses %60 cpu while loading webpage. isn't it supoose to be use gpu?
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• 1683[18:01:02] <usrdev> n00b question: aside from netinstall, cd-install (with desktop) is there a debian image like Ubuntu, that has cloud-init and things already baked in. or would i need to proceed on creating my own custom image of Debian? 🤔
• 1684[18:01:55] <greycat> !preseed
• 1685[18:01:55] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
• 1686[18:02:10] <greycat> is, I think, the closest thing to what you're asking
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• 1698[18:05:31] <usrdev> 👍
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• 1703[18:10:00] <jhutchins_wk> usrdev: Are you attempting to post emoji to a text-only system?
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• 1709[18:13:55] <usrdev> sorry, out of habit. :(
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• 1758[18:40:14] <azy> replaced-url
• 1759[18:40:17] <azy> help :<
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• 1761[18:41:53] <mawk> apt update
• 1762[18:41:55] <mawk> azy:
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• 1764[18:43:09] <azy> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: replaced-url
• 1765[18:43:09] <azy> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 1766[18:43:14] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: that was proper utf-8 unicode, not emoji!
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• 1769[18:44:16] <mawk> that's just a warning azy
• 1770[18:44:43] <jelly> azy: read the readme at replaced-url
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• 1772[18:45:09] <jelly> mawk: it's a warning that says the repo will be IGNORED and not used at all.
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• 1774[18:46:08] <jelly> okay, not precisely not used at all, if a previous apt(-get) update worked those indexes would still be used
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• 1780[18:48:28] <becks`> thanks karlpinc, this helped :)
• 1781[18:48:38] <echoSMILE> /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/build-key-server outputs lot's of compile errors. :-/
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• 1783[18:49:12] <jelly> judd: file etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/build-key-server
• 1784[18:49:15] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 1785[18:49:25] <jelly> echoSMILE: where did that file come from?
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• 1787[18:49:36] <echoSMILE> easy-rsa package I think
• 1788[18:49:42] <jelly> ,v easy-rsa
• 1789[18:49:43] <judd> Package: easy-rsa on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.2-1; stretch: 2.2.2-2; buster: 3.0.6-1; sid: 3.0.6-1
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• 1794[18:50:00] <choice> Helo! Who makes the popular docker images for Debian? Is it Debian who is in charge or does the docker team does it?
• 1795[18:50:04] <ghormoon> is there some inteligent way to find out (even better strace) all things that touch file in specific time interval (since i start to "monitor" it)?
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• 1797[18:50:27] <echoSMILE> probably is my side fault.
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• 1799[18:50:57] <r4co0n> What's up with this package: replaced-url
• 1800[18:51:18] <r4co0n> Buster doesn't look better.
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• 1802[18:52:07] <echoSMILE> jelly my side for sure.
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• 1804[18:53:13] <r4co0n> There are more packages like this, but I can't produce the list from where I am right now
• 1805[18:53:33] <r4co0n> Maybe ~20
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• 1808[18:54:33] <r4co0n> I found those by mirroring stretch using aptly, and then run verify on a snapshot.
• 1809[18:55:39] <r4co0n> This command checks for the dependencies of each package being able to be fulfilled by the snapshot you have created.
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• 1812[18:56:25] <r4co0n> I got debian, debian-updates and debian-security in there, all only with section main.
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• 1814[18:56:51] <r4co0n> I mean stretch-*
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• 1816[18:58:37] <jelly> r4co0n: apt-get -s install libapt-pkg-dev works for me. Verify your sources.list is sane and you're not mixing different branches.
• 1817[18:58:43] <somiaj> r4co0n: look back through bug reports and see if the dependencies were removed after stretch release. It is considered a rc bug if a package cannot be installed in a stable release. Though sometimes during the cycle of a release due to security issues packages change causing such issues.
• 1818[18:58:47] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 1819[18:58:47] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1820[18:59:05] <somiaj> or maybe as jelly said, this is a problem with using stretch-backports or other sources on your system.
• 1821[18:59:19] <somiaj> but by the time a stable release happens, all packages should be installable
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• 1824[18:59:40] <jelly> I have no idea what "aptly" is, official mirrors use ftpsync to make a mirror.
• 1825[18:59:47] <jelly> !ftpsync
• 1826[18:59:47] <dpkg> ftpsync is a non-packaged scriptset for creating a Debian archive mirror. replaced-url
• 1827[18:59:54] <r4co0n> somiaj, jelly, but looking at the link I provided, this package is uninstallable.
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• 1831[19:00:33] <r4co0n> somiaj, jelly, and this is stable.
• 1832[19:00:46] <jelly> r4co0n: virtual packages that Provide: a different name are not shown in that web interface.
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• 1834[19:01:23] <greycat> r4co0n: libapt-pkg-dev installs fine for me on stretch amd64
• 1835[19:01:25] <r4co0n> jelly, maybe aptly is not smarter and reports those as uninstallable too.
• 1836[19:01:31] <jelly> r4co0n: if you want a real test, do "apt-get -s install foo" on a base stretch installation or chroot, with correct sources.list.
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• 1838[19:01:48] <jelly> ,i aptly
• 1839[19:01:50] <judd> Package aptly (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: Swiss army knife for Debian repository management. Version: 0.9.7-1+b1; Size: 2568.9k; Installed: 10027k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1840[19:01:58] <r4co0n> Sorry for having you guys test this, I will have to blacklist those packages somehow.
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• 1843[19:02:27] <jelly> r4co0n: that tool is not 1.0 yet, it might have srs bugs ;-)
• 1844[19:02:35] <r4co0n> I installed aptly via pip3, but it seems quite unmaintained nowadays.
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• 1846[19:02:48] <jelly> ,v aptly
• 1847[19:02:50] <judd> Package: aptly on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8-3; jessie-security: 0.8-3+deb8u1; stretch: 0.9.7-1+b1; stretch-backports: 1.3.0-5~bpo9+1; buster: 1.3.0+ds1-2.1; buster-proposed-updates: 1.3.0+ds1-2.2~deb10u1; sid: 1.3.0+ds1-2.2
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• 1849[19:03:24] <r4co0n> Version on pip is higher than last release on github.
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• 1851[19:03:48] <jelly> also, debian cannot really be held responsible for stuff you got by using pip install
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• 1853[19:04:01] <r4co0n> I didn't think so.
• 1854[19:04:31] <r4co0n> But I thought this is a problem in packaging, acccording to what packages.debian.org reported.
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• 1856[19:04:52] <r4co0n> But they are both fooled the same way.
• 1857[19:05:06] <jelly> it's not, packages.debian.org has some REALLY outdated views and thoughts on how stuff works
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• 1859[19:05:57] <r4co0n> jelly, this sounds like something that needs to be fixed. Is there a bug for this?
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• 1869[19:09:08] <jelly> r4co0n: I did not check, but there are hundreds of open bugs for the web pages under the virtual pacakge replaced-url
• 1870[19:10:50] <jelly> r4co0n: you'd have to check "just" the ones under Outstanding bugs -- Packages.debian.org ...
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• 1872[19:11:36] <r4co0n> jelly, thanks for hint, I never checked those.
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• 1875[19:12:23] <r4co0n> Maybe I can fix some, I'm gonna bookmark this.
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• 1885[19:17:32] <jelly> r4co0n: debian.org web needs some tender loving
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• 1887[19:18:27] <jelly> r4co0n: if you're interested in helping maybe look at #debian-replaced-url
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• 1912[19:30:03] <choice> ok
• 1913[19:30:16] <choice> Thanks
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• 1962[19:57:48] <choice> And how do I install nc?
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• 1964[19:58:32] <greycat> apt-cache search --names-only netcat
• 1965[19:58:51] <greycat> there may be a few choices (appropriately). pick one. ;)
• 1966[20:01:10] <choice> netcat .. could have guessed that :)
• 1967[20:01:40] <somiaj> though netcat-tradtional is a standard package that is usually installed.
• 1968[20:02:00] <somiaj> since my first thought was, isn't it installed by default, I figured I'd double check.
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• 1970[20:02:58] <greycat> it shows as standard in stretch, yeah, so maybe he did a less-than-standard installation, or inherited a system installed by someone else
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• 2040[20:52:30] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. I recently restarted apache2 and got a list of config variables that were not defined: replaced-url
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• 2043[20:53:48] <anthropohedron> I have an odd situation. I just did a fresh install of stretch and chose the guided partitioning with encrypted LVM. Install went fine, and when I boot I am prompted for the disk password. Providing the password makes it complain that the filesystem is unrecognized. Booting in rescue mode I can decrypt and mount the filesystems just fine, so I definitely have the right password. I think it's skippin
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• 2045[20:53:54] <anthropohedron> g the LVM part and trying to mount the encrypted partition as root (and failing). Any idea how to fix it (presumably in rescue mode, though I can work in busybox in the pre-boot environment over ssh via dropbear)?
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• 2049[20:56:06] <anthropohedron> Lady_Aleena: If I weren't on a virtual console I'd take a look. Sorry.
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• 2056[20:59:09] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: Hello. Those environment variables should be defined in /etc/apache2/envvars, do you have that file?
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• 2060[20:59:31] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, its the 3rd link in the message above.
• 2061[20:59:41] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: ooops sorry
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• 2064[21:01:43] <tds> Lady_Aleena: what's the contents of /proc/pid/environ for one of the apache processes?
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• 2068[21:03:10] <Lady_Aleena> /proc/pid/environ: No such file or directory
• 2069[21:03:27] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: you have to substitute the pid
• 2070[21:03:52] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, which file, apache2.conf or envars?
• 2071[21:04:20] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: the literal string pid in the pathname. Replace that with the PID of one of your apache2 processes.
• 2072[21:04:37] <Lady_Aleena> Where?
• 2073[21:04:43] <greycat> 15:03 Lady_Aleena> /proc/pid/environ: No such file or directory
• 2074[21:04:45] <anthropohedron> I thought the problem was that apache2 wouldn't start. There won't be a pid.
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• 2077[21:05:18] <Lady_Aleena> anthropohedron, apache2 starts, but those environment variables are undefined.
• 2078[21:05:33] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: tell us the process ID of apache2.
• 2079[21:05:43] <tds> Lady_Aleena: something like cat /proc/$(pgrep apache2 -n)/environ should work
• 2080[21:06:14] <Lady_Aleena> cat: /proc//environ: No such file or directory
• 2081[21:06:21] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: so apache2 is NOT running?
• 2082[21:06:32] <Lady_Aleena> It seems to be.
• 2083[21:06:42] <greycat> then tell us the PID. any of them.
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• 2085[21:07:02] <anthropohedron> Ah, I misunderstood.
• 2086[21:07:04] <Lady_Aleena> So list all of /proc?
• 2087[21:07:11] <greycat> ps -ef | grep apachd2
• 2088[21:07:13] <greycat> ps -ef | grep apache2
• 2089[21:07:17] <CarlFK> im trying to hack my box - I'm guessing I mistyped the password, or maybe the username - init=/bin/sh locked it up. google took me here replaced-url
• 2090[21:07:21] <jmcnaught> Lady_Aleena: "systemctl status apache2" should tell if it's running and list the pids
• 2091[21:07:54] <tds> though keep in mind you want the main pid, not the pid from when apachectl ran
• 2092[21:08:00] <CarlFK> anyone know how to get a prompt?
• 2093[21:08:10] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
• 2094[21:08:11] <greycat> CarlFK: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password
• 2095[21:08:31] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: so one of your PIDs would be 863
• 2096[21:08:37] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: tr \\0 \\n < /proc/863/environ
• 2097[21:09:09] <tds> Lady_Aleena: btw, what debian version is this?
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• 2100[21:09:22] <Lady_Aleena> bash: /proc/863/environ: Permission denied
• 2101[21:09:25] <CarlFK> greycat: "add 'init=/bin/sh' " I did, it locked up. (numlock didn't blink light)
• 2102[21:09:26] <tds> since I'd expect stretch to be using the systemd service rather than the old init script
• 2103[21:09:30] <Lady_Aleena> Even with sudo.
• 2104[21:09:39] <greycat> *sigh*
• 2105[21:09:40] <Lady_Aleena> tds, jessie
• 2106[21:09:49] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: sudo sh -c 'tr \\0 \\n < /proc/863/environ'
• 2107[21:09:56] <greycat> my god, every single step
• 2108[21:10:20] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: (or just get a freaking ROOT SHELL already)
• 2109[21:10:44] <anthropohedron> CarlFK: Do you have installer media (USB or optical)?
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• 2111[21:10:51] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
• 2112[21:10:54] <CarlFK> anthropohedron: yes
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• 2114[21:11:30] <anthropohedron> Boot with that, go into rescue mode. You'll be able to mount the root filesystem, look at /etc/passwd, reset passwords, etc.
• 2115[21:11:56] <Lady_Aleena> Guys, help anthropohedron first. My thing can wait.
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• 2120[21:12:53] <tds> Lady_Aleena: how did you actually get that error in the first place? certainly looks like the right environment variables are defined now
• 2121[21:13:20] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: yeah, your apache2 process *does* have APACHE_LOCK_DIR=/var/lock/apache2 in the environment
• 2122[21:13:37] <greycat> (I didn't check the others)
• 2123[21:13:42] <Lady_Aleena> tds, the command I used was "sudo apache2 -k restart", and those messages appeared.
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• 2125[21:14:21] <tds> oh right, don't do that, you can systemctl restart or systemctl reload apache2.service
• 2126[21:14:26] <greycat> I have no idea what that does. I always use the operating system's service management scripts.
• 2127[21:14:44] <tds> (one will just reload the config and restart workers, one will restart apache entirely)
• 2128[21:15:01] <anthropohedron> CarlFK: Boot with install media, go into rescue mode. You'll be able to mount the root filesystem, look at /etc/passwd, reset passwords, etc.
• 2129[21:15:01] <Lady_Aleena> I googled "restart apache2" and that is the command it came back with.
• 2130[21:15:05] <greycat> since jessie's apache2 seems to be more sysv than systemd, you might prefer to stick with "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" for now, or "service apache2 restart"
• 2131[21:15:38] <greycat> I don't have a jessie-apache2 system at the moment to check whether systemctl works on it.
• 2132[21:15:59] <jmcnaught> no reason it shouldn't
• 2133[21:16:15] <Lady_Aleena> So restarting apache2 is different from restarting apache2 on other systems?
• 2134[21:16:17] <greycat> hopefully it'll invoke the init.d scripts for you
• 2135[21:16:18] <anthropohedron> greycat: Jessie is 8, right? It's systemd.
• 2136[21:16:48] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: I prefer to think of it as "why are you restarting apache2 in this weird way instead of doing the same thing you do for every other service"
• 2137[21:17:16] <greycat> everything else is "systemctl restart foobar" or "service foobar restart", so you just do that
• 2138[21:17:21] <jmcnaught> even on jessie /usr/bin/service is using systemctl if it's on a systemd system
• 2139[21:17:33] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I don't remember using that command before.
• 2140[21:17:54] <Lady_Aleena> systemctl is new to me.
• 2141[21:17:54] <greycat> you did everything the hardest way possible, always?
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• 2144[21:18:25] <anthropohedron> Lady_Aleena: The service command has been what's used for at least a decade. The systemd stuff (i.e. systemctl) is newer, but it's what's used on all the major Linux distros.
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• 2146[21:18:39] <Lady_Aleena> I don't know greycat. apache2 seems to be the only service that I have dealt with that needs restarting when I alter their configs.
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• 2148[21:19:11] <CarlFK> Lady_Aleena: "restarting ...different" question is tricky to answer, other then "yes" which isn't very helpful.
• 2149[21:19:20] <Lady_Aleena> Everything else I use, other than some simpler command line commands, is gui.
• 2150[21:19:27] <CarlFK> what would be helpful is replaced-url
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• 2153[21:20:07] <Lady_Aleena> So starting, stopping, restarting, etc is something I don't do normally.
• 2154[21:20:08] <anthropohedron> Right, so, back to root on encrypted LVM. Can anyone help me? cryptroot-unlock seems to be trying to mount the LVM PV instead of starting LVM and mounting the correct LV. Did I miss a config?
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• 2156[21:20:26] <tds> you can also run apachectl commands to restart apache, but that will also just run systemctl for you :)
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• 2158[21:20:58] <anthropohedron> Lady_Aleena: Apache is not the only service that needs restarting/reloading when its config is changed, but you should get comfortable with stopping, starting, and restarting services.
• 2159[21:23:06] <Lady_Aleena> anthropohedron, apache2 is the only thing I can remember configuring.
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• 2169[21:29:38] <jelly> greycat: stat(1) birth time fixed upstream in coreutils 8.31. _Guess_ which version is not in buster or sid
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• 2172[21:29:54] <greycat> ,v coreutils
• 2173[21:29:55] <judd> Package: coreutils on amd64 -- jessie: 8.23-4; stretch: 8.26-3; buster: 8.30-3; sid: 8.30-3
• 2174[21:30:22] <CarlFK> anthropohedron: install medai... fixed my pw. thanks.
• 2175[21:30:44] <anthropohedron> CarlFK: Excellent!
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• 2184[21:38:10] <vishal> CarlFK: that sounded like the LCA talk on systemd/tragedy, I watched it recently and I agree
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• 2186[21:38:30] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I don't use the CLI for much, since most of what I use is in the DE. So, yes, I need step by step instructions on how to diagnose and fix, what is to me, high level problems like figuring out this latest apache2 "problem". I don't know what other services that are used in the background, and I know that I haven't configured them. The most I have configured in /etc is /etc/hosts, /etc/sudoers, /etc/apt/sources.list, and
• 2187[21:38:32] <Lady_Aleena> /etc/apache2 files.
• 2188[21:38:32] <CarlFK> vishal: it is exactly that talk.
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• 2190[21:39:22] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: well, in Debian, almost everything can be restarted with "service somename restart", and it's usually not too hard to figure out what "somename" would be. In the case of apache2, it's apache2.
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• 2192[21:40:16] <greycat> you can also use "service somename status" to get some kind of status report, probably from systemd, but in older releases it would have been custom sysv stuff
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• 2195[21:41:04] <greycat> starting with jessie, you can also use "systemctl status somename" or "systemctl restart somename". Note that the arguments for systemctl are the reverse from service.
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• 2198[21:42:38] <Lady_Aleena> And for actions other than getting the status, I would need to be root or use sudo, correct?
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• 2200[21:42:46] <CarlFK> Lady_Aleena: it's worth investing a little time in learning CLI things - it pays off when there are problems. (like now)
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• 2203[21:43:11] <greycat> yes, typically you need to be root to stop, start, restart, or reload things
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• 2205[21:43:33] <tds> unless you're running stuff as systemd user services
• 2206[21:43:36] <Lady_Aleena> And systemctl worked for me.
• 2207[21:43:40] <greycat> also, sometimes you get more information from "status" if you're root
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• 2209[21:44:01] <CarlFK> "little time" is another tricky one - but hopefully you can find some convenient time and not "omg put out the fire" time
• 2210[21:44:46] <tds> or just learn from the small fires so you can put out the big ones :)
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• 2212[21:45:00] <tds> (like when apache is putting some errors in logs like that, but still starting fine)
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• 2223[21:47:59] <anthropohedron> Okay, entirely different issue. Booting into rescue mode with install media (actually PXE boot) cuts off the first column of text. Any way to fix it?
• 2224[21:48:29] <greycat> could be a monitor resolution issue
• 2225[21:48:51] <CarlFK> anthropohedron: i've seen that.
• 2226[21:48:56] <greycat> see if your monitor has some button or menu choice to adjust to the input
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• 2229[21:51:44] <CarlFK> anthropohedron: append... video=vga16fb:off
• 2230[21:52:00] <CarlFK> or other random values that I have never quite understood :p
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• 2237[21:56:55] <anthropohedron> The monitor is an LCD, so not much adjustment available. Not sure how to add a video argument to the PXE boot kernel. Any ideas on that?
• 2238[21:57:58] <anthropohedron> Is there a way to fix it post-boot?
• 2239[21:58:02] * vishal also liberally sprinkles 'nomodeset' in these sorts of situations
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• 2241[21:58:43] <anthropohedron> Also, there's a way to see the arguments that were passed to the running kernel? Something in /sys or /proc?
• 2242[21:58:53] <greycat> cat /proc/cmdline
• 2243[21:58:53] <vishal> /proc/cmdline
• 2244[21:58:55] <Tenkawa> cat /proc/cmdline
• 2245[21:59:27] <anthropohedron> Not sure how I missed that one. Thanks.
• 2246[22:01:05] <anthropohedron> I think I see the culprit. "vga=788" looks like it could be the issue. Is there any way to change that (or, rather, what that affects) in a running kernel, or only at boot?
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• 2256[22:05:18] <CarlFK> anthropohedron: your pxe thing.. dhcp hands out a filename="something" what is the something?
• 2257[22:05:48] <anthropohedron> CarlFK: pxelinux.0
• 2258[22:06:57] <CarlFK> anthropohedron: pxelinux.0 on your tftp server - any idea what that is? (I suspect syslinux, and then you should find the syslinux.cfg file that has boot/append lines just like grub or whatever boot loader
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• 2262[22:09:11] <anthropohedron> CarlFK: Interestingly, there is a grub.cfg file in the debian-installer dir, which has vga=788 in it. I've changed it so the next time I netboot it might be better.
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• 2264[22:10:11] <anthropohedron> I'm still trying to track down getting cryptroot-unlock to start lvm and mount the right root.
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• 2271[22:15:18] <Lady_Aleena> Since I have systemctl, should I confuse myself by learning both service and systemctl?
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• 2274[22:16:06] <anthropohedron> Lady_Aleena: If you're going to pick just one, at this point you should learn systemctl.
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• 2279[22:16:52] <greycat> there's nothing to "learn" though. there are half a dozen verbs, and you have to remember whether the verb goes before or after the command name. and if you get it wrong, you just switch them.
• 2280[22:17:00] <greycat> s/command name/service name/
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• 2282[22:17:19] <greycat> stop, start, restart, reload, status
• 2283[22:17:32] <Lady_Aleena> I also saw kill in the man.
• 2284[22:17:35] <greycat> anything else is esoteric and you'd only need it in *unique* circumstances
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• 2291[22:19:01] <Lady_Aleena> Okay. So, I shouldn't get "fancy".
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• 2293[22:20:36] <vishal> enable/disable are helpful too
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• 2297[22:22:40] <Lady_Aleena> Any way to list all services running, or is that top or htop?
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• 2299[22:23:28] <prompt32> guys what about the 'geoip-database-contrib'. This package is deprecate, right ?
• 2300[22:23:37] <greycat> "ps -ef" shows all processes, but if you want a service view, there's systemctl -a, or many others
• 2301[22:24:13] <greycat> and systemctl -a informs me that systemctl list-unit-files is also a thing
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• 2303[22:24:33] <greycat> because clearly systemd was written by people who don't know how to make simple commands
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• 2305[22:25:09] <jmcnaught> "systemctl list-units -t service" will show only services
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• 2310[22:27:39] <prompt32> greycat, +1000 for what u said !
• 2311[22:28:07] <Lady_Aleena> Thank you jmcnaught.
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• 2313[22:28:31] <Lady_Aleena> And greycat, I am sorry that I am not as savvy as you would like.
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• 2315[22:31:18] <greycat> system is huge and complex, and I don't understand more than a fraction of it
• 2316[22:31:22] <greycat> systemd*
• 2317[22:31:46] <CarlFK> greycat: if I understand that video, written by one single person. who may have not known how to make simple commands ;)
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• 2319[22:32:19] <CarlFK> which might explain the death threats. (but does not excuse them. no death threats please)
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• 2321[22:32:52] <petn-randall> prompt32: AFAIR upstream doesn't allow shipping it anymore.
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• 2323[22:33:16] <happygilmoregent> E: The package linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
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• 2325[22:33:28] <happygilmoregent> I have googled and googled and can't find a fix for it
• 2326[22:33:28] <greycat> ,v linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64
• 2327[22:33:29] <judd> Package: linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.168-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.168-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 4.9.168-1+deb9u2
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• 2329[22:33:46] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
• 2330[22:33:46] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2332[22:33:50] <greycat> happygilmoregent: ^^
• 2333[22:34:02] <happygilmoregent> what's with the anime eyes?
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• 2335[22:34:42] <CarlFK> happygilmoregent: they are lookup up at the answer
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• 2337[22:34:50] <petn-randall> those are make shift up arrows
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• 2342[22:36:29] <happygilmoregent> stupid question what is the difference b/w apt and apt-get?
• 2343[22:36:43] <prompt32> petn-randall, any alternatives ? the free mmdb files are complete fake and outdated.
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• 2347[22:37:44] <CarlFK> happygilmoregent: I hear apt is a little better at resolving conflicts, and apt-get is better for scripts
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• 2349[22:38:05] <happygilmoregent> once I update with apt I get package is in a very bad inconsistent state
• 2350[22:38:09] <CarlFK> (which leaves me wondering how/why this difference exists)
• 2351[22:38:53] <happygilmoregent> once I update with apt I get "package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting configuration"
• 2352[22:38:54] <user_Max> happygilmoregent, replaced-url
• 2353[22:39:28] <Lady_Aleena> In the future, I will try to remember to ask for verbose when asking questions in here, unless something has sunk in.
• 2354[22:39:29] <greycat> CarlFK: no, the "different conflict resolution" is aptitude vs. apt/apt-get
• 2355[22:39:45] <greycat> apt-get and apt are practically the same thing, just a few differences
• 2356[22:39:50] <greycat> aptitude is radically different
• 2357[22:41:16] <petn-randall> prompt32: You can sign up and download new dumps there, including paid subscriptions.
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• 2360[22:41:26] <petn-randall> prompt32: maxmind.com IIRC
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• 2367[22:44:08] <KOLANICH> Hi everybody. Jan Horak has created a patch to enable H264 <video> playback replaced-url
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• 2372[22:48:21] <uio> Hi. Any thoughts on Debian on a Thinkpad Carbon C1? Thinking about getting on and there seem to be mixed reviews online.
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• 2377[22:50:03] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 2380[22:50:39] <tobiasBora> If I have two files that points to the same inode (hard links), when I copy them on another ext4 partition, will they create two inodes, or stay hard links?
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• 2382[22:51:19] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: It will be two separate files pointing to different inodes.
• 2383[22:51:34] <petn-randall> Unless whatever you use explicitely support deduplicating.
• 2384[22:52:05] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: ok thanks. And any idea if I could use rsync to recreate the hardlinks for me? (Don't want to run out of space on my backup)
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• 2386[22:52:44] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: what actually support deduplicating? People said that ZFS deduplicating is not very reliable
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• 2393[22:54:38] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: rsync has the -H option.
• 2394[22:54:40] <tobiasBora> ok found -H for rsync
• 2395[22:54:43] <tobiasBora> ahah sorry
• 2396[22:54:43] <petn-randall> :)
• 2397[22:54:44] <tobiasBora> thanks
• 2398[22:54:52] <petn-randall> hehehe, jinx
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• 2402[22:57:33] * tobiasBora is french, so jinx does not work for him
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• 2404[22:58:15] <Tenkawa> its a saying
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• 2406[22:58:47] <Tenkawa> in english
• 2407[22:59:08] <petn-randall> You say "jinx" in english speaking countries when two people say the same thing at the same time. :)
• 2408[22:59:18] <petn-randall> Just like we did.
• 2409[22:59:23] <humpled> not snap
• 2410[22:59:25] <humpled> ?
• 2411[23:00:36] <Tenkawa> humpled: thats very regional too
• 2412[23:00:40] <petn-randall> Maybe, too, I haven't been to all countries yet ;)
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• 2414[23:02:11] <Tenkawa> ugggh more bad weather moving this way... yay :(
• 2415[23:02:38] <jmcnaught> uio: replaced-url
• 2416[23:02:51] <uio> jmcnaught, Cool, will take a look :)
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• 2423[23:06:26] <Tom_-> there's also ##ibmthinkpad
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• 2431[23:10:50] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: yeah, that's what I understood. We have the same thing in french, but words are different, so laws are different, I'm not supposed to follow the enligh law ;)
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• 2451[23:25:25] <strk> replaced-url
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• 2473[23:38:11] <ironm> Good evening. Hi, do you know it the issues will be solved in the near future? ( replaced-url
• 2474[23:38:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2475[23:38:30] <ironm> s/ it / if/
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• 2483[23:42:30] <anthropohedron> Okay, this is a fun thing. Anyone know about LUKS? Is there a version 2 that's supported by cryptsetup in buster that isn't in stretch?
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• 2500[23:58:40] <Lady_Aleena> Does anyone know how much time I have before Jessie reaches EOL?
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