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5 [00:01:19] <Thedarkb> Hey, I've got a Debian install with a bad filesystem, is there a way for me to run fsck without booting from another drive?
6 [00:01:31] <Thedarkb> I swear to got I've done it before, not that I can remember how.
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11 [00:04:46] <mason> Thedarkb: Maybe remount read-only first. Better to boot from something else and make sure you have back-ups before doing anything.
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13 [00:05:16] <rant> GenTooMan: the command should return a URL
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15 [00:06:08] <rant> Thedarkb: you go to single user mode and remount the fs read-only, if you're talking about the rootfs
16 [00:07:27] <Thedarkb> I'm in single user mode currently, rant
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18 [00:07:35] <Thedarkb> What command should I use to remount read only?
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20 [00:07:41] <rant> Thedarkb: mount -o remount,ro /
21 [00:07:47] <Thedarkb> Thank you sir.
22 [00:07:53] <oiaohm> Thedarkb: depends on the damaged to the file system will depend if that mount read only will work.
23 [00:08:09] <Thedarkb> The last time I did this, it mounted read only of it's own accord.
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25 [00:08:22] <Thedarkb> This drive has had issues for longer than I'd like to admit.
26 [00:08:29] <rant> yes the default fs opions tells it to remount ro on errors
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28 [00:08:56] <Thedarkb> It's busy
29 [00:09:04] <Thedarkb> Can I use -l?
30 [00:09:50] <oiaohm> Thedarkb: I would suspect if you check the drive smart that the harddrive could be requiring replacement not fixing the filesystem.
31 [00:10:12] <Thedarkb> That's what I'm doing.
32 [00:10:21] <Thedarkb> I'm going to fix the file system and then clone the drive.
33 [00:10:37] <Thedarkb> It's been having I/O errors that have been mangling things.
34 [00:10:38] <oiaohm> Thedarkb: I normally go the other way.
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36 [00:10:52] <oiaohm> Thedarkb: clone the drive then fix the file system.
37 [00:10:57] <Thedarkb> Yeah, I suppose I'll do that then.
38 [00:11:09] <Thedarkb> You normally have to do it anyway on cloned partitions for some reason.
39 [00:11:16] <rant> Thedarkb: replaced-url
40 [00:11:37] <oiaohm> Thedarkb: remember if the controller is going nuts in the dieing drive attempting to repair just results in breaking the file system more.
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42 [00:12:10] <Thedarkb> Okay, I've done a cat /dev/sda > /dev/sdb
43 [00:12:25] <Thedarkb> I'll run fsck on that drive from the old drive when it's done.
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45 [00:12:42] <rant> @.@
46 [00:13:16] <Thedarkb> Is that not how you all clone drives?
47 [00:13:43] <rant> no, afaik nobody does that to clone a drive
48 [00:13:54] <Thedarkb> Oh
49 [00:13:56] <Thedarkb> It works though.
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53 [00:15:03] <Thedarkb> It's no different to using dd.
54 [00:15:12] <rant> @.@
55 [00:16:06] <Thedarkb> Ah shit, it failed with an IO error.
56 [00:16:16] <rant> heh
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58 [00:16:22] <Thedarkb> It's a Hitachi drive from 2007ish.
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60 [00:16:38] <Thedarkb> It's been throwing I/O errors for the past month but I haven't been in a position to get them attended to.
61 [00:16:49] <rant> you mean cat doesnt do error checking on a use for something it wasnt designed to do? who knew..
62 [00:17:02] <Thedarkb> Wait, you aren't supposed to use cat for that?
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65 [00:17:10] <annadane> *plonk*
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67 [00:17:32] <GenTooMan> rant this perhaps ? replaced-url
68 [00:17:35] <rant> annadane: greycat, I didn't recognize you :P
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72 [00:19:52] <Thedarkb> I'll go again with DD.
73 [00:20:11] <rant> GenTooMan: well that shows you're using the default stretch kernel, the module claims it, and there are no mentions of firmware
74 [00:20:21] <rant> dd isn't any better in this case
75 [00:20:53] <rant> dd only gives you more flexibility on bs and count and such.. it doesnt do any error correction
76 [00:21:08] <Thedarkb> How would you go about this, rant?
77 [00:21:11] <rant> if the disk itself is failing a low-level thing isnt your best chance
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79 [00:21:23] <Thedarkb> Whenever I've cloned a drive before, it's been in good condition.
80 [00:21:25] <rant> doing it above the filesystem is your best chance to get the most of the data
81 [00:21:34] <Thedarkb> I've always used either cat or dd.
82 [00:21:41] <Thedarkb> I'll have to format that other drive first then.
83 [00:21:42] <rant> i.e. a file level copy not a block level copy
84 [00:22:00] <rant> doing a block operation on a failing drive is only corrupting the fs further due to SMART
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86 [00:22:33] <rant> cause everytime it encounters a read error, its trying to correct it
87 [00:23:14] <GenTooMan> rant So the default buster should be good.
88 [00:23:23] <EdePopede> rant: lol
89 [00:23:26] <rant> GenTooMan: I'd think so
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110 [00:33:06] <ncrowl> Hi, Im trying to update a debian computer, it was untouched since 5years, "apt-get update" just returns a bunch of NO_PUBKEY. What todo??
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113 [00:35:11] <thePiGrepper> update your repo links probably, and update && upgrade..
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116 [00:35:58] <annadane> is there a practical reason one would use a self created backport rather than compiling something from source and sticking it somewhere?
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118 [00:36:44] <annadane> or vice versa?
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120 [00:37:37] <annadane> the former creates a .deb, the latter doesn't, i'm trying to ascertain the differences
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122 [00:41:32] <humpled> i guess you can pin your own deb so it doesn't get replaced by an upgrade
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166 [01:13:56] <victorqueiroz> I'm having some freezes while using Linux on Ryzen 7 and I see other people also have it. Not sure if it's a problem on the processor or what but it is very annoying. Can you guys please help me? I'm using Debian Sid with Linux 5.0. The same problem happen with previous versions of Debian and kernel as well. Here is my kern.log from the last freeze: replaced-url
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170 [01:16:24] <Tom-_> a lot of bluetooth error messages
171 [01:17:08] <Tom-_> maybe it's to do with your bluetooth device. are you intending to use bluetooth?
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173 [01:18:18] <Tom-_> victorqueiroz, what's your CPU temperature like? ever try to crash it in terminal/console mode so you can see the kernel messages as they go by?
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175 [01:18:32] <victorqueiroz> Yes, I'm using a bluetooth speaker. I'm starting to think it's a OOM problem that was not printed on the kern.log. Is it possible? I don't have OOM killer.
176 [01:19:08] <cheapie> Does it still freeze with your BT radio disabled/unplugged?
177 [01:19:24] <victorqueiroz> It happened after I opened 2 VMs (Windows with 8GB of RAM and Debian Stable VM) on Virtual Box and went out to showering. I only have 16GB of RAM
178 [01:19:39] <victorqueiroz> cheapie: Yes, it has been happening for a long time. How do I set up a OOM killer on Debian?
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180 [01:20:00] <cheapie> The OOM killer should always work unless you did something to break it, I think...
181 [01:21:02] <victorqueiroz> Does it comes as a default setting?
182 [01:21:44] <Tom-_> "only" 16 GB of RAM. anyway the OOM killer shouldn't freeze the computer, and it should be in the log. the OOM killer never kills the kernel
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187 [01:27:25] <victorqueiroz> Tom-_: So you don't think the problem is missing out of RAM?
188 [01:27:47] <Tom-_> i think it has nothing to do with RAM, yes
189 [01:28:20] <Tom-_> if your kern.log isn't being written to (the final line is incomplete), and you are reporting system freezes, i think it has nothing to do with RAM
190 [01:28:29] <Tom-_> possible bluetooth hardware or driver problem
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192 [01:31:01] <Tom-_> or CPU cooling problem, though nowadays i think there's automatic shutdowns and warnings for that
193 [01:31:15] <Tom-_> victorqueiroz, i don't really know, but it's not RAM.
194 [01:31:30] <Tom-_> victorqueiroz, what do you mean "you don't have an OOMkiller"?
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200 [01:37:33] <victorqueiroz> Tom-_: Don't I have to enable it? I thought so
201 [01:37:57] <Tom-_> it used to be enabled automatically, unless that's changed in the last 15 years
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203 [01:38:27] <Tom-_> anyway, it's not OOM because it wouldn't freeze your system, it would just kill whatever running program, and also you would see it in the log
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205 [01:39:01] <Tom-_> i don't even know if you can turn off OOM, but it's Linux, so it probably has an option
206 [01:39:10] <EdePopede> maybe having some live sensors in sight. cpu load and temp or so
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209 [01:44:10] <victorqueiroz> EdePopede: Good idea, just added it. let's see how it goes.
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251 [02:36:27] <mason> jmcnaught: I'm not seeing a way to have a custom MAC on a container VM while using bridging. Is this possible, do you know?
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285 [02:58:21] <the_meme_factory> hewwo
286 [02:58:29] <the_meme_factory> UwU
287 [02:58:43] <Astrolo> Hi
288 [02:58:50] <the_meme_factory> im bored rn
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290 [02:59:20] <annadane> !chat
291 [02:59:21] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
292 [02:59:30] <the_meme_factory> ;~;
293 [02:59:33] <the_meme_factory> welp ok bye
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303 [03:06:34] <aloo_shu> I don't know if dpkg should send users to ##chat, that's more like a private living room
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307 [03:08:08] <agio> I just created a user account "testuser", did some stuff, then run the command `deluser --remove-home test' user - now my entire main users home directory has been obliterated! how is this possible?
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309 [03:08:46] <agio> I mean I run the command `deluser --remove-home testuser'
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313 [03:09:31] <agio> does deluser delete every directory in /home or something?
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320 [03:12:32] <milkt> do you know what was testuser's home directory?
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322 [03:13:02] <agio> yes. /home/testuser
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325 [03:13:57] <EdePopede> can't imagine it should, and the manpage doesn't give any hint it would.
326 [03:14:04] <agio> I mean I know this system is borked, but I just want to know why this happened so it
327 [03:14:23] <agio> so I can avoid doing this ever again!
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329 [03:14:33] <jmcnaught> mason: I don't know I've never tried.
330 [03:14:58] <EdePopede> there's a backup option, also for the .conf. should be a good idea to use it ;)
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335 [03:15:43] <EdePopede> agio, did you try to reproduce it? like creating 2 new accounts and then removing one of them.
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337 [03:16:31] <EdePopede> and /home is definitely empty? if you're lucky then it is a different partition and just got unmounted behind your back.
338 [03:16:44] <agio> no, I didn't try reporduce
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342 [03:19:20] <agio> unmounted?
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349 [03:21:41] <EdePopede> things happen. had this on an external disk recently, but you never know. always expect the span^Wunexpected!
350 [03:22:35] <agio> yes, its just such a simple thing ` sudo deluser --remove-home <username> '
351 [03:22:51] <agio> how could it destrooy my entire system?
352 [03:23:26] <humpled> destroy your entire system?
353 [03:24:16] <agio> the home dir and every thing in it . system is unusable
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358 [03:24:48] <humpled> just make a new user and restore your dot files and data
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360 [03:25:43] <EdePopede> the complete /home is gone, not only its content?
361 [03:26:12] <agio> humpled: you mean and keep this system install?
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363 [03:27:04] <humpled> if you want to
364 [03:27:07] <agio> no /home its is still there and my folder is there
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366 [03:27:15] <agio> its just empty
367 [03:27:59] <agio> there is a lost and found directory - but it seems to be empty too
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370 [03:29:18] <milkt> guess ext4 or something is mounted at /home
371 [03:29:48] <agio> yes, ext4 via a LVM
372 [03:29:59] <EdePopede> what does `du /home` say?
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374 [03:30:27] <agio> 13M
375 [03:30:34] <rant> blah..
376 [03:30:50] <rant> ECHAN
377 [03:31:24] <agio> I don't know how I can even recover from this. once I reboot - will I lose everything ? a working system?
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379 [03:31:47] <agio> I need a system to make a boot USB
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384 [03:32:41] <bazhang> what os system agio
385 [03:32:49] <agio> debian
386 [03:32:52] <EdePopede> you could download a live iso right now
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388 [03:33:17] <agio> my user accont is still in /etc/passwd. deluser didn't delete that
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390 [03:33:20] <bazhang> agio what os is going to be the usb booting
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392 [03:33:38] <agio> sorry?
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394 [03:34:30] <bazhang> you have which system and which system will the usb be running on it (the usb)
395 [03:34:48] <bazhang> like on debian, making a boot debian
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397 [03:35:22] <agio> yes, Im on debian - and I would use a debinstaller on USB
398 [03:35:32] <bazhang> ok
399 [03:35:51] <agio> I don't know if its possible or worth trying to recover this systems
400 [03:35:57] <agio> *system*
401 [03:35:57] <bazhang> would that be an installer usb, or run the system from the usb
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403 [03:36:57] <agio> well, Im assuming this OS install is borked and that I'll have to re-install everything to return a known state
404 [03:37:09] <agio> to return to a known good statue
405 [03:37:16] <agio> to return to a known good state
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412 [03:44:49] <annadane> now you know to keep backups, i guess
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422 [04:07:35] <aloo_shu> agio: you may want to avoid doing lots of things in that fs in case you want to use some rescue tool / try ext4 - fu to try& salvage freshly released clusters
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425 [04:09:27] <aloo_shu> depends how valuable the old home dir was
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439 [04:21:44] <DUKENUKEM> are there any install images that arent UEFI?
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441 [04:22:02] <mason> jmcnaught: kk - not seeing it, so maybe I'll stick with the lxd pln
442 [04:22:03] <mason> plan*
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446 [04:22:36] <DUKENUKEM> i have a new lenovo c930 and the install goes to black screen. looked everywhere, but i cant disable it in the bios. i turned off secure boot, but the new lenovo yoga's have some sort of auto detection of EFI, can boot both
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468 [04:40:02] <seeker51> is this the channel to ask questions about mate
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472 [04:40:37] <annadane> i suppose you can always try, if you're running debian with it
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474 [04:41:48] <seeker51> annadane: yes i am I opened a terminal and typed a sudo command and it asked for my password and then it said i was not in superuser list
475 [04:42:07] <annadane> so not really a mate question :P
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477 [04:42:53] <seeker51> annadane: well i opened it via a mate terminal. on my old gnome desktop there was a root terminal not in mate
478 [04:43:12] <ksk> you are doing it wrong ;)
479 [04:43:30] <seeker51> ksk: ok help me do it right
480 [04:43:51] <annadane> so... are you in the sudoers list?
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482 [04:43:57] <ksk> firt of all, please use "visudo" to edit the sudoes file, not a random text editor - it ensures you will not destroy the file in a way (with incorect entries) that you lock up your systm
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486 [04:44:56] <seeker51> annadane: it said i was not in list
487 [04:45:46] <seeker51> ksk: so i do i edit the file ie what should the line look like that i type in
488 [04:45:47] <ksk> did you a) use visudo to put your user there b) choose that you wanted to use sudo during the debian install?
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490 [04:46:08] <jmcnaught> seeker51: if you know your root password, become root with "su -l". Then if you want to add your user to the sudo group: "adduser <user> sudo". The user will need to log out and back in. No need to edit the sudoers file
491 [04:46:14] <ham> try using a different terminal
492 [04:46:48] <ksk> seeker51: what jmcnaught says :)
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494 [04:48:47] <karlpinc> DUKENUKEM: I hear you should use buster if there's any sort of secure-boot going on. Can't say if that's the case but....
495 [04:50:11] <seeker51> jmcnaught: how do i make the text bigger in this window
496 [04:50:42] <jmcnaught> seeker51: I don't know what terminal emulator you're using
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498 [04:51:02] <jmcnaught> or IRC client?
499 [04:51:50] <seeker51> jmcnaught: I go to system tools and then mate terminal === i am using hexchat
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501 [04:52:37] <jmcnaught> seeker51: for which one do you want to enlarge the text?
502 [04:53:05] <seeker51> jmcnaught: this irc
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504 [04:54:48] <jmcnaught> seeker51: font size is probably under the view menu or settings. I'm just looking at a hexchat screenshot, I don't use it.
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506 [04:56:17] <seeker51> jmcnaught: ok thanks i got in as root so now i can format my usb drive
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603 [06:52:25] <sauvin> Why am I denied access to wiki.debian.org ?
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605 [06:54:11] <w00dsman> they block VPN IPs
606 [06:54:27] <w00dsman> presumably to prevent abuse
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609 [06:55:30] <sauvin> Lame.
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645 [07:20:45] <milkt> i can connect wiki.debian.org with vpn and with tor though
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696 [08:09:29] <magic_ninja> Well I've made the plunge
697 [08:09:44] <magic_ninja> Just happened to get my 1TB ssd today so I went ahead and installed debian on it
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960 [10:41:44] <jim> !why is librtmidi3 not in testing
961 [10:41:44] <dpkg> librtmidi3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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999 [11:05:03] <itacos> Hi. Why debian security team provide oval definition in 5.11.2 version while openscap (libopenscap8) in debian stable does not support this format ?
1000 [11:05:30] <itacos> replaced-url
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1058 [11:45:40] <g0thX> /msg NickServ identify Dzong108
1059 [11:46:50] <g0thX> hi
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1062 [11:48:54] <acidoverflow> What would cause Options not to display in Squirrelmail?
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1064 [11:49:54] <g0thX> /msg NickServ
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1069 [11:51:39] <varaindemian> does the latest debian testing support gnome 3.32?
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1076 [11:54:57] <met> testing has gnome 3.30 atm - replaced-url
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1078 [11:55:35] <varaindemian> thank you!
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1084 [11:59:06] <rant> ,v gnome
1085 [11:59:07] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.30+1; sid: 1:3.30+1
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1105 [12:12:51] <met> how nice
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1116 [12:20:24] <siodor> hello everyone, is there a problem with debian mirrors? I'm trying to install from Debian v9.9.0 netinst iso but during package manager setup get several packag fetch failures due to 503 Service Unavailable problem
1117 [12:20:39] <tachikomas> siodor: nope. but you can always change your mirror
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1120 [12:21:42] <babilen> siodor: replaced-url
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1122 [12:22:13] <babilen> Typically deb.debian.org should "Just work"™
1123 [12:22:34] <babilen> dpkg: deb.debian.org
1124 [12:22:34] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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1183 [12:57:01] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i have a stupid problem with my hd, everytime i restart linux he does a fsck and after that he boots up normal but i have very big lags when running the system
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1185 [12:57:14] <rocketmagnet> how can i check the status of my hd ??
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1191 [12:59:23] <EdePopede> rocketmagnet: smartmontools
1192 [12:59:44] <EdePopede> maybe badblocks
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1194 [13:00:28] <EdePopede> which filesystems are fsck'd? maybe they aren't unmounted properly at shutdown for some reason.
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1196 [13:01:46] <rocketmagnet> but everytime i restart ?
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1198 [13:02:05] <rocketmagnet> do you mean gnome-disks ? with the smart self test ?
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1204 [13:03:39] <EdePopede> ,v smartmontools
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1206 [13:03:41] <judd> Package: smartmontools on amd64 -- jessie: 6.3+svn4002-2+b2; stretch: 6.5+svn4324-1; buster: 6.6-1; sid: 6.6-1
1207 [13:03:43] <EdePopede> that one
1208 [13:04:47] <rocketmagnet> EdePopede: i've installled smartmontools, how to check the hd now ?
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1213 [13:05:41] <tachikomas> Hello, Is it possible to force a regen of the initrd while grub is updated ?
1214 [13:06:00] <EdePopede> rocketmagnet: you may run some smartctl tests as in replaced-url
1215 [13:06:10] <rocketmagnet> ok
1216 [13:06:19] <EdePopede> depending on the options (thus the test used) it may take some time
1217 [13:06:34] <EdePopede> and the interpretation of the -A table is a thing for itself
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1220 [13:07:51] <EdePopede> rocketmagnet: you also could boot a live system and fsck your partitions from there. just to make clear that there is a good reason for the fsck.
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1222 [13:08:54] <rocketmagnet> hm, the smartctl seems to be ok
1223 [13:09:12] <rocketmagnet> i tried all command listed in the article you gave me and the hd seems to be in normal condition
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1227 [13:10:49] <rocketmagnet> what else can be the problem ??
1228 [13:10:58] <rocketmagnet> i'm completely out of ideas
1229 [13:11:09] <EdePopede> so maybe a software problem. fsck, restart, go live, check from there, reboot, see what happens. would be the full program ;)
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1231 [13:11:32] <EdePopede> and maybe restart from a root terminal or the login manager
1232 [13:11:37] <rocketmagnet> hm... ok
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1234 [13:11:44] <rocketmagnet> brb
1235 [13:11:45] <rocketmagnet> ..
1236 [13:11:46] <EdePopede> i'd suppose root
1237 [13:11:51] <rocketmagnet> k
1238 [13:11:53] <rocketmagnet> i try
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1418 [15:13:41] <Galihom> Hi !
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1423 [15:16:35] <Galihom> I discovered today that there is two implementations of chsh on debian sources (one provided by passwd package (replaced-url
1424 [15:16:35] <Galihom> filelist). Does anyone have any idea of the reason of this choice ? Thank you
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1427 [15:17:09] <abrotman> those are different versions of Debian ..
1428 [15:17:17] <abrotman> Has it moved between those versions?
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1433 [15:21:25] <Galihom> abrotman: Those two packages are in the Strech version of Debian but the chsh binary seems to be removed from the util-linux package.
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1440 [15:25:23] <abrotman> judd: versions shadow
1441 [15:25:24] <judd> No package named 'shadow' was found in amd64.
1442 [15:25:31] <abrotman> judd: versions util-linux
1443 [15:25:32] <judd> Package: util-linux on amd64 -- jessie: 2.25.2-6; stretch: 2.29.2-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.29.2-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.33.1-0.1; sid: 2.33.1-0.1
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1520 [16:10:10] <uio> Hello. Some of my XFCE power management settings won't work : I have the setting hibernate when laptop lid is closed and this works fine. However, the setting under Screen (dimming after X seconds) and I think those under System (hiberate after 15 mintes idle for example) don't seem to work. How can I solve this?
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1548 [16:36:26] <m1dnight_> Is it normal that i can not seem to find ruby in apt on the buster/buster-slim/stretch docker images?
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1550 [16:36:34] <m1dnight_> I'd expect to just be able to do "apt-get install ruby"
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1556 [16:38:46] <humpled> judd versions ruby
1557 [16:38:48] <judd> Package: ruby on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.3.3; buster: 1:2.5.1; sid: 1:2.5.1
1558 [16:40:25] <m1dnight_> huh, how the heck
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1560 [16:41:07] <Galihom> judd: abrotman : I missed between `shadow` and `passwd`. I was talking of the chsh implementations in packages `passwd` and `util-linux`
1561 [16:41:41] <Galihom> judd versions passwd
1562 [16:41:42] <judd> Package: passwd on amd64 -- jessie: 1:4.2-3+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:4.2-3+deb8u4; stretch: 1:4.4-4.1; buster: 1:4.5-1.1; sid: 1:4.5-1.1
1563 [16:41:50] <Galihom> judd versions linux-util
1564 [16:41:52] <judd> No package named 'linux-util' was found in amd64.
1565 [16:42:00] <Galihom> judd versions util-linux
1566 [16:42:01] <judd> Package: util-linux on amd64 -- jessie: 2.25.2-6; stretch: 2.29.2-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.29.2-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.33.1-0.1; sid: 2.33.1-0.1
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1588 [16:48:51] <jelly> m1dnight_: you probably need to "apt-get update" to fetch the available package lists from configured repos, first.
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1591 [16:49:21] <jelly> m1dnight_: and you need to make sure /etc/apt/sources.list is valid for the installed release, before that
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1635 [17:12:25] * uio notices there have been some comings and goings in the past hour...
1636 [17:12:27] <uio> Hello. Some of my XFCE power management settings won't work : I have the setting hibernate when laptop lid is closed and this works fine. However, the setting under Screen (dimming after X seconds) and I think those under System (hiberate after 15 mintes idle for example) don't seem to work. How can I solve this?
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1642 [17:17:48] <RoyK> uio: file a bug with as much info you can gather
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1653 [17:22:05] <uio> RoyK, You think it's a bug? I might just be doing something wrong or have too many DEs installed... I think some people have a working XFCE power manager. But theirs might be from unstable.
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1658 [17:25:07] <RoyK> uio: I honestly don't know, but it looks like a bug to me
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1660 [17:25:20] <uio> RoyK, Okay, cool. Thanks.
1661 [17:25:46] <uio> I'll see if anyone else has some ideas, as I'd be surprised if stable let something that big slip by.
1662 [17:25:56] <Lope> Does anyone know how to live resize an overlay COW filesystem? Doing remount,(existingoptions),size=5G doesn't work like it does on tmpfs.
1663 [17:26:23] <RoyK> what sort of fs?
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1667 [17:28:28] <Lope> like when you boot a live linux USB
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1672 [17:31:22] <jelly> Lope: man 8 mount suggests you might need to resize the "upper" filesystem
1673 [17:31:56] <jelly> Lope: assuming you're talking about overlayfs
1674 [17:32:11] <jelly> which fs type are you, in fact, talking about?
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1677 [17:34:04] <Lope> jelly, the root line of mount looks like this: /cow on / type overlay (rw,relatime,lowerdir=//filesystem.squashfs,upperdir=/cow/upper,workdir=/cow/work)
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1680 [17:34:40] <jelly> Lope: so figure out what /cow/upper is
1681 [17:35:26] <jelly> "df /cow/upper" might be helpful
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1684 [17:36:11] <jelly> Lope: which debian live image is this on?
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1686 [17:37:27] <Lope> jelly: interestingly /dev/shm and /sys/fs/cgroup and /tmp are all 3.9G
1687 [17:37:35] <Lope> I'll try expand /tmp and see what happens
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1689 [17:38:27] <jelly> Lope: which .iso are you using?
1690 [17:38:40] <Lope> jelly, sorry in this particular case it's a ubuntu live USB, not a debian one. But I use both OS's in different situations and of course they're very similar, and this question is about overlayfs not specific to a particular distro.
1691 [17:38:58] <Lope> People on #ubuntu at the moment didn't know anything about this.
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1695 [17:39:45] <jelly> Lope: we specifically cater to (current and upcoming) debian users here, please try to reproduce an issue on actual debian if you're going to ask about it here
1696 [17:39:53] <jelly> !they don't know
1697 [17:39:54] <dpkg> We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us.
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1699 [17:40:14] <Lope> Okay I resized tmp to 5G but it didn't affect /cow
1700 [17:40:24] <Lope> Okay bud
1701 [17:40:29] <jelly> or try ##linux
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1706 [17:45:17] <Lope> incase you're interested I resized every tmpfs to 5G and even /dev and remounted /cow /, but / is still limited to 3.9G
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1726 [17:59:35] <victor001> is there a way to refresh my menu with the new applications I installed from source without killing my panels to update my menu kind of want a smoother UX.
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1731 [18:00:14] <victor001> I've noticed that apt does something like "Processing triggers for gnome-menus"
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1737 [18:05:22] <EdePopede> victor001: depends on your DE. on xfce you i placed a .desktop file into /usr/local/share/applications, also into ~/.local/share/applications
1738 [18:05:34] <EdePopede> xfce knew about them instantly
1739 [18:07:05] <victor001> EdePopede: okay thanks
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1744 [18:08:29] <RogueScholar> Morning, folks
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1752 [18:12:15] <jhutchins_wk> uio: Suspending to RAM or disk is something that relies pretty heavily on how the hardware is configured, and manufactureres are not consistent about it. They tend to supply the code that interfaces with the OS for Windows, but they don't have a standard hardware layer.
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1768 [18:19:14] <uio> jhutchins_wk, I remember hearing something about that. Oddly, enough though, closing lid = suspend, but it won't time-out to suspend. I guess I was too optimistic about ThinkPad support! But year, I guess there is a huge hardware component...
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1775 [18:20:47] <tobiasBora> Hello,
1776 [18:22:08] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know, does "strace -p13006 -s9999" can reveal no child even if some child was ran before?
1777 [18:22:38] <tobiasBora> (like is it possible to detach a process, and if yes is it possible to prevent that?)
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1780 [18:23:07] <uio> jhutchins_wk, So, I shouldn't file a bug report?
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1787 [18:27:10] <jhutchins_wk> uio: I don't think that we can point to specific code that could address the issue, hence no bug report.
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1789 [18:28:11] <jhutchins_wk> uio: iirc there are settings for both "screen saver" and "power management" that are not obvious and affect the issue.
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1791 [18:28:49] <jhutchins_wk> uio: Frankly, I've ended up just turning off all the power saving modes because they disrupt what I expect to be constant connections to network resources.
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1793 [18:29:07] <jhutchins_wk> I'll blank the screen and that's about it.
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1800 [18:32:37] <uio> jhutchins_wk, Okay, so power-management is kinda spotty across the linux-verse? I was wondering because I have different laptop and a different linux distro for which it works. It's not a driver thing?
1801 [18:33:01] <uio> What's your hardware?
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1803 [18:33:46] <iamben> where might i find some information about how debian-sparc is building a kernel? eg what gcc & compiler options
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1806 [18:34:39] <uio> I mean that kind of makes sense though: battery life also tends to be terrible in linux, across distros. So maybe not a Debian thing...
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1809 [18:35:57] <tobiasBora> hum sorry I meant ps -O stat --ppid XXX
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1830 [18:50:22] <johnfg> I've got a router problem/question that's affecting my debian server.
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1832 [18:50:43] <BCMM> iamben: i *think* the source package should be somewhere on debports?
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1834 [18:51:25] <johnfg> We have some power outages, intermittent, and after the router recycles, this server is given an ip that doesn't work with the network that's set up.
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1837 [18:51:50] <iamben> BCMM: i've got a bug building it with gcc-8, im wondering if debian is successfully building w/ gcc-8
1838 [18:51:56] <iamben> that's the background for my question
1839 [18:52:17] <SerajewelKS> johnfg: gonna have to be a bit more specific than that
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1841 [18:52:37] <johnfg> This is a dlink router, and I added a dhcp reservervation for this server, but it doesn't seem to have persisted through the power outage.
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1843 [18:53:26] <SerajewelKS> power cuts can do weird things to router nvram
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1846 [18:53:50] <SerajewelKS> strongly suggest a UPS for any device that uses nvram
1847 [18:54:04] <johnfg> SerajewelKS: Any other place to try and make that ip permanent for this server?
1848 [18:54:19] <SerajewelKS> johnfg: configure it statically in /etc/network/interfaces on the server itself
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1850 [18:55:09] <johnfg> Just thinking now...my other debian box here, doesn't have the problem. I wonder if it's because I've got it using 192.168.0.107, and the windows machine always takes the lower, the 192.168.0.100.
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1852 [18:56:02] <johnfg> SerajewelKS: But what if another machine on the network has been given that ip? I guess I'll have to see what I have to do to assign the windows machine a static ip too.
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1864 [19:02:24] <johnfg> on one debian box, I have eth0, and the other, with the problems, en2ps0. In the /etc/network/interfaces, I'll use the en2ps0 for the definitions, right?
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1866 [19:02:38] <greycat> yes
1867 [19:02:47] <SerajewelKS> johnfg: so assign it an IP outside of the DHCP range
1868 [19:02:58] <johnfg> greycat: Cool.
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1870 [19:03:14] <johnfg> SerajewelKS: what's the DHCP range? How do I find it?
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1872 [19:03:28] <SerajewelKS> it's probably configured on your router somewhere
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1874 [19:03:42] <SerajewelKS> i'm guessing it's 100-200 or 100-254
1875 [19:03:54] <johnfg> SerajewelKS: Just found it, it's the first.
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1878 [19:04:05] <SerajewelKS> if the router is 1, then 2-99 would probably be available for static assignment
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1881 [19:04:18] <johnfg> So, rather than going with 108, you'd go, like 192.168.0.201?
1882 [19:04:20] <SerajewelKS> okay. then 201-254 are likely also available
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1884 [19:04:47] <SerajewelKS> sure. (1) before or after the range, and (2) not in use by anything else, and (3) still within the network
1885 [19:05:20] <SerajewelKS> you can always try pinging an IP then looking at the ARP table to see if anything claims that address
1886 [19:05:25] <jhutchins_wk> Where does sudo store it's cached info?
1887 [19:05:30] <SerajewelKS> if the ARP table has a failed/unreachable entry then nothing claims it
1888 [19:05:37] <johnfg> SerajewelKS: No changes need to be made with the router, right?
1889 [19:05:42] <SerajewelKS> johnfg: correct
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1895 [19:09:14] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: the manpage seems to imply that it depends on the authentication backend so maybe it's a pam thing?
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1897 [19:10:02] <johnfg> Is this about what you'd expect, if nothing is using 192.168.0.201: replaced-url
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1903 [19:13:04] <jelly> ip n s # still longer than arp -n
1904 [19:13:05] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Yeah, strange case where user can log in to the system, but sudo thinks the password is expired.
1905 [19:13:16] <greycat> so we have apt-get moo, and ip neigh
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1907 [19:13:24] <greycat> any other barnyard animal sound options?
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1909 [19:13:41] <jelly> no but there's a whole python interpreter
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1913 [19:14:39] <johnfg> anything using buck? as in buck, buck?
1914 [19:15:32] <greycat> I think "cluck" would be the canonical chicken sound, at least for American English
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1916 [19:16:10] <johnfg> Is there a way, using systemctl, to reboot the network (to read interfaces?)?
1917 [19:16:28] <johnfg> I know chickens, and they say, 'buck', not 'cluck'.
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1920 [19:16:54] <tds> you can `systemctl restart networking.service`, that'll effectively do ifdown -a and then ifup -a for you - but be careful doing that on a remote box unless you have some oob management
1921 [19:16:55] <greycat> replaced-url
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1924 [19:17:47] <nt80> ,v ntopng
1925 [19:17:48] <judd> Package: ntopng on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2.1+dfsg1-1.1; stretch: 2.4+dfsg1-3; buster: 3.8+dfsg1-2.1; sid: 3.8+dfsg1-2.1
1926 [19:18:00] <johnfg> tds: I'm at the console, so shouldn't be a problem.
1927 [19:18:11] <tds> :)
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1929 [19:18:22] <tds> you can also just ifdown eth0 or whatever, then ifup it again by hand
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1936 [19:21:55] <johnfg> So, here's my /etc/network/interfaces, just edited: replaced-url
1937 [19:21:59] <SerajewelKS> johnfg: "Is this about what you'd expect, if nothing is using 192.168.0.201:" <-- yes, that means that when your system asks "who has .201" it's not getting any response.
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1942 [19:23:34] <galaxie> Am I correct in thinking I can share my Internet connection via an Ethernet cable? Do I have to have a specific type of cable, like a crossover or whatnot?
1943 [19:23:50] <tds> johnfg: restarting networking.service won't do anything if you're using allow-hotplug, you'd need auto instead
1944 [19:24:25] <SerajewelKS> galaxie: for computer-to-computer, crossover is wired correctly but most ethernet cards these days can sense when a regular cable is used and one of the cards will flip polarity automatically
1945 [19:24:25] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Yeah, guess pam is the next path to walk.
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1948 [19:24:41] <SerajewelKS> galaxie: however, you also need to configure some kind of packet forwarding (probably NAT) for the rest of the network to like it
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1950 [19:24:52] <johnfg> tds: so line 10: auto en2ps0?
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1952 [19:25:09] <tds> yes
1953 [19:25:17] <galaxie> SerajewelKS: Alright. I've done something like that before. The computer is running Ubuntu 18.10; I'm assuming it probably has a more recent Ethernet card for that??
1954 [19:25:29] <SerajewelKS> galaxie: so you can try a normal cable. if the two ends negotiate successfully then at least one auto-senses the wrong polarity and corrects.
1955 [19:26:33] <SerajewelKS> galaxie: any card manufactured since 2000 probably can auto-sense this
1956 [19:26:40] <SerajewelKS> (rough guess)
1957 [19:26:43] <johnfg> May 20 11:25:54 churchdebian ifup[20724]: Cannot find device "en2ps0"
1958 [19:27:23] <tds> should probably be enp2s0?
1959 [19:27:54] <tds> and make sure you update the iface line as well
1960 [19:27:59] <SerajewelKS> johnfg: "ip link" will show you what devices you have
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2025 [19:49:09] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Quick question, do I need to reboot when I change /etc/hosts?
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2028 [19:49:31] <greycat> not typically
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2030 [19:49:38] <EdePopede> nope
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2032 [19:49:49] <greycat> however, any long-running processes that have cached the previous contents (or lack thereof) may want to be restarted
2033 [19:49:50] <Lady_Aleena> Does a change to /etc/hosts "just work" after an edit?
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2035 [19:50:15] <EdePopede> typically browser caches, right?
2036 [19:50:15] <greycat> anything that does a "get host by name" after the edit will respect your edit, assuming nsswitch.conf has its default content
2037 [19:50:16] <zamuro> It should.
2038 [19:50:43] <Lady_Aleena> I will tias.
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2047 [19:52:41] <boeckwurst> hi best channel on freenode!
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2051 [19:53:46] <boeckwurst> I'm curious as to why PSI/facebooks pressure stall information is not enabled in stretch by default? It's merged to the kernel-master since 4.20 and looks quite useful for server work
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2054 [19:55:10] <greycat> ... huh? Linux 4.20? In stretch?
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2059 [19:56:27] <boeckwurst> oh.. it's still 4.9 :D thanks
2060 [19:56:43] <greycat> and buster is 4.19
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2063 [19:58:21] <BCMM> boeckwurst: 4.20 was only released in december. even sid doesn't have it yet.
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2066 [19:59:22] <rant> I was going to write a script to copy .desktop files from /usr/share/applications/ to ~/.local/share/applications and add in the ShowOnlyIn= params to them as needed to setup menus specific to multiple DE, what would be a good way to tell what DE a package belongs to? aptitude why is the only thing that comes to mind.
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2070 [20:02:53] <jelly> boeckwurst: because debian typically picks longterm release kernels and goes with those
2071 [20:02:57] <rant> though rather than reverse lookup I could possibly compile a list walking down from task-foo-desktop for each and then eliminate any apps they have in common from the lists
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2076 [20:04:57] <jmcnaught> rant: maybe debtags? For example gedit package has the debtag suite::gnome
2077 [20:04:59] <johnfg> Well, enp2s0 comes up fine, and it 'looks' okay, but the network isn't functioning with the ip of 192.168.0.201.
2078 [20:05:17] <rant> jmcnaught: hmm.. I'll see how reliable that is..
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2082 [20:06:23] <jelly> boeckwurst: and since it meddles with mm and kernel/sched it does not seem very likely to get backported unless you do it yourself replaced-url
2083 [20:06:35] <rant> I for a long time had wanted a solution to installing multiple desktops without cluttering the menus with redundant applications, and I recently realized there is a ShowOnlyIn param in .desktop files, but not many things use it
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2085 [20:07:00] <jelly> rant: maybe because some of us _want_ to mix and match apps.
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2087 [20:07:49] <rant> jelly: yes well once I clean out the menus, you can just keep and app by marking it manually installed (apt install kate for example) and then removing the local .desktop file and reverting to the global one.
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2089 [20:08:17] <rant> currently I've installed 5 of the 7 DE on this machine and the menus are atrocious..
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2095 [20:10:31] <humpled> menus are atrocious
2096 [20:10:57] <rant> it would be better if they all were tagged to their suite by default and you just had an option in each DE to show only their apps or all apps
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2098 [20:11:44] <rant> years ago I recall this being done in some WM, the had a local menu, then a "debian" menu that was everything
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2101 [20:13:10] <rant> because if you install GNOME, KDE, MATE, XFCE you wind up with kate, pluma, gedit, mousepad for example and they all do the same thing
2102 [20:14:52] <rant> when you have 4 calculators, 4 text editors, 4 archive managers, 4 file mangers, 4 screenshot tools. etc.. your menus get ridiculously long
2103 [20:15:15] <greycat> so... stop doing this thing you're doing?
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2106 [20:15:48] <rant> and with the installed size of multiple desktops being rather small and machines having rather large memory, it'd be nice to just install a new machine for users with different DE to try
2107 [20:16:13] <greycat> you have a funny definition of "rather small"
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2111 [20:17:42] <galaxie> OK, so I have both an Ethernet controller and a WiFi adapter - does that count as two network cards, for the purposes of Internet sharing?
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2113 [20:17:51] <knstn> Guys, where i get a debian 7 iso?
2114 [20:18:05] <greycat> !archive
2115 [20:18:05] <dpkg> methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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2119 [20:19:07] <rant> I couldn't tell you the difference between one DE and 5 currently, cause I have a large copy operation going on at the moment but I am certain its not the same as their sum totals installed seperately which even then would be around 32GB which is a drop in the bucket on 1TB or more HDD
2120 [20:19:18] <BCMM> rant: you could pretend you're uninstalling, for example, libkdecore5. the list of packages that will have to be removed is a pretty good list of packages that belong to KDE
2121 [20:20:00] <rant> BCMM: yeah thats another option I suppose.. aptitude why will show the task-foo-desktop package.. but I wasnt sure if there was a more elegant way of doing it :D
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2123 [20:20:12] <knstn> Thanks
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2125 [20:21:18] <humpled> when i had a mac you could have blue theme or silver theme, that was about it for desktops
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2128 [20:23:00] <johnfg> Ok, I'm back to what things were before the changes, as the network only worked or was actively finding routes, on the vpn.
2129 [20:23:14] <greycat> But apple wouldn't call it "blue" or "silver". It has to be more posh-sounding.
2130 [20:23:17] <rant> I just think it'd be nice to put a few on a new machine for a user to be able to test them out.. but to make it less confusing initially you want the menus to not have all the redundancies.. I may in time begin working on an app specifically for this purpose.. to help you try things and figure out custom setups mixing and matching your fav parts from various DE
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2133 [20:24:20] <johnfg> I'd changed the address in /etc/hosts to the 192.168.0.201, and the changes were in /etc/network/interfaces. The network came up, but I couldn't get anywhere.
2134 [20:24:26] <johnfg> did I miss something?
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2136 [20:24:35] <greycat> the address *of what*
2137 [20:25:03] <johnfg> Bringing up firefox: couldn't connect go address.
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2139 [20:25:23] <greycat> if you mean the address *of yourself*, that would normally be on a 127.* line in /etc/hosts because /etc/hosts is primarily OTHER MACHINES' addresses, not your own
2140 [20:25:25] <rant> something tells me you have no idea what /etc/hosts is
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2143 [20:25:54] <greycat> what are you trying to do?
2144 [20:26:10] <johnfg> greycat: you didn't follow the earlier discussion?
2145 [20:26:45] <greycat> something about dhcp and static addressing maybe? if that was you? pretend we don't know.
2146 [20:27:34] <johnfg> Yes, that was I. Due to problems here with power (no ups), the router's been rebooted on occasion.
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2149 [20:28:01] <johnfg> At times, it assigns this debian box the wrong ip, i.e., not 192.168.0.100.
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2152 [20:28:24] <johnfg> It needs that for ldap, at least.
2153 [20:28:33] <dvs> johnfg, and it assigns this address statically or by dhcp?
2154 [20:28:34] <johnfg> Allowing me to login.
2155 [20:28:37] <watom> anyone on buster can check if curl is able to download from https? here is not. before opening a bug i'd like to hear some feedback.
2156 [20:28:43] <johnfg> dvs: dhcp.
2157 [20:29:02] <dvs> johnfg, then it can't be a wrong address by dhcp.
2158 [20:29:04] <greycat> yes, curl can do https in buster.
2159 [20:29:22] <watom> greycat: here only if 'CURL_CA_BUNDLE=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt' before the curl command
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2161 [20:29:32] <dvs> johnfg, configure it statically in the interfaces file.
2162 [20:29:37] <johnfg> So, I, with the help of some here, picked an address out of the 192.168.0.100-200 range, viz. 192.168.0.201, edited /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/hosts and rebooted.
2163 [20:29:40] <greycat> watom: I just did "curl replaced-url
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2165 [20:30:11] <watom> i don't know why it doesn't get right the CA thing on its own
2166 [20:30:15] <johnfg> ip -a looks alright, as I expected, but couldn't make outside connections, except through my vpn.
2167 [20:30:32] <greycat> johnfg: forgot the gateway address?
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2169 [20:31:23] <johnfg> greycat: I had it in interfaces as 192.168.0.1.
2170 [20:31:42] <johnfg> Did that need to change too?
2171 [20:32:07] <humpled> if you want a static address, pick one outside the router's dhcp range
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2173 [20:32:09] <greycat> it just has to be correct, and correctly formatted in the file. confirm with "ip route".
2174 [20:32:14] <dvs> johnfg, you just said it was configured using dhcp
2175 [20:32:29] <humpled> or just tell the router 'Always use this address'
2176 [20:32:47] <greycat> dvs: near as I can tell, he seems to be saying "I want to stop using DHCP on this Debian workstation and switch it to manual"
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2179 [20:33:38] <greycat> he seems to believe that his configuration of the router is not working correctly, i.e. not always giving him the address he wanted
2180 [20:34:06] <greycat> he also seems to be having problems expressing these things clearly
2181 [20:35:03] <dvs> but if johnfg expects to use a certain address, johnfg shouldn't be using dhcp.
2182 [20:35:10] <johnfg> greycat: Like from home this morning, I couldn't connect to the office. The problem was that after a router reboot, this office debian machine was assigned 192.168.0.101 instead of 192.168.0.100.
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2185 [20:36:12] <johnfg> dvs: Besides the changes to /etc/network/interfaces, what else needs to change?
2186 [20:36:25] <johnfg> And to /etc/hosts.
2187 [20:36:45] <karlpinc> johnfg: Generally "ping and "traceroute" are places to start debugging network problems. But here it seems that the problem is not well-defined yet.
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2189 [20:37:05] <johnfg> replaced-url
2190 [20:37:16] <dvs> johnfg, the entry for the interface (eth0, wlan0, whatever), that entry should have a static entry and not dhcp.
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2193 [20:38:06] <dvs> johnfg, ok, so that address has a static address of 192.168.0.201
2194 [20:38:24] <watom> greycat: can you use -v and check CAfile and CApath
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2196 [20:38:36] <dvs> the /etc/hosts file are for connections to other machines.
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2199 [20:38:43] <johnfg> dvs: So, should I actually disable the DHCP Server in the router?
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2201 [20:38:55] <greycat> * CAfile: none
2202 [20:38:56] <greycat> CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
2203 [20:39:05] <watom> same. so i wonder why is not working
2204 [20:39:11] <johnfg> dvs: And, defining the address for ldap.
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2207 [20:39:33] <dvs> johnfg, dhcp on the server doesn't matter because the local address is assigned statically. just make sure that the 201 is not part of the dhcp range.
2208 [20:39:40] <watom> it works only with CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt set
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2210 [20:39:47] <karlpinc> johnfg: Are you in charge of the network? And what machine are we talking about here? The "office debian machine" or some machine of "yours"?
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2212 [20:40:20] <johnfg> The office debian machine.
2213 [20:40:31] <dvs> do you control it?
2214 [20:40:32] <johnfg> And yes, I'm in charge.
2215 [20:41:08] <rant> johnfg: if you want the same IP you should either a) setup a static ip via the router if it has this option (most do) or b) configure the dhcp pool to be like .100-.245 or .10-245 or such leaving .2-.9 or .2-.99 available so you can configure a static IP on the machine
2216 [20:41:13] <karlpinc> johnfg: Is the office debian machine a server? Do other machines talk to it?
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2219 [20:41:36] <rant> .254 even
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2222 [20:41:45] <johnfg> karlpinc: Yes, it's a server and other machines talk to it.
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2224 [20:42:16] <rant> I personally have my server set to 10.0.0.2 the IP right after the router, and I do it by telling the routers dhcp to static that machine
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2226 [20:42:24] <dvs> johnfg, oh so you want to have the /etc/hosts file on the server to point to the 201 machine by a name?
2227 [20:42:43] <johnfg> rant: I tried that with the router first, through reserving the address of 192.168.0.100, but apparently it doesn't persist through a reboot.
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2229 [20:42:56] <greycat> He seems to be under the impression that his OWN non-loopback ip address has to be in his OWN /etc/hosts file for some reason.
2230 [20:43:08] <greycat> that's why he keeps bringing up /etc/hosts
2231 [20:43:14] <rant> johnfg: the only way that would happen is if your MAC address is changing across reboots or your router's static configuration is broken
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2233 [20:43:53] <karlpinc> johnfg: How do the machines which connect to the office debian machien know what the machine's IP number is? Is there dns setup anywhere, do you put a /etc/hosts file on all the other machines, etc.?
2234 [20:43:54] <rant> greycat: sounds more like he wants to have a generic hostname for his server on the LAN which I do, I have t520 10.0.0.2 in my /etc/hosts for my home server
2235 [20:44:07] <rant> but the issue is the server isnt getting the same IP all the time
2236 [20:44:10] <johnfg> greycat: Well, I brought it up, because the slapd wasn't up because the ip wasn't up, so I couldn't login as user. Just had root. The rest of the users are in ldap.
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2239 [20:44:32] <rant> johnfg: some devices may randomly generate the mac address, and that could be whats screwing up your static route
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2243 [20:44:52] <rant> johnfg: static routing via dhcp are done by mac address..
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2245 [20:44:59] <karlpinc> johnfg: If you change the server's IP number the clients need to know the change so they can connect to it.
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2247 [20:45:31] <johnfg> rant: Yup, that's what I put in (actually the router did), when I selected it for reservation.
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2249 [20:45:48] <rant> johnfg: check to see if this is whats happening.. note your mac address, see if it changes across reboot, then if this is the issue we can run down how to keep your mac id static
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2252 [20:46:15] <johnfg> rant: Ok, I'll do that. Thanks all for helping. brb.
2253 [20:46:27] <rant> some adapters will let you set the mac/hw address via /etc/network/interfaces others require it to be done as a module parameter when the module loads
2254 [20:46:32] <karlpinc> rant: Or, so long as no other machine will generate the reserved IP address he can just configure the server's IP staticly.
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2258 [20:47:07] <rant> karlpinc: yes I mentioned that already.. that you can shrink the DHCP pool having addresses outside the pool you can use to static configure on the machine itself
2259 [20:47:23] <karlpinc> Of course it is nice to have a centralized service that hands out IPs.
2260 [20:47:26] <rant> however some routers like my xfinity gateway will no longer see the machine if its outside the pool
2261 [20:47:44] <rant> which creates problems for easily managing your network using things like xfinity's xfi
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2263 [20:48:27] <rant> a changing macid on a server is a problem that should be identified and resolved regardless :P
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2266 [20:49:51] <rant> I noticed this problem when I first got my orangepi and was using armbian, it was auto-generating the macid.. and as I said I know from experience, some adapters will respect a hwaddress parameter in /etc/network/interfaces and others wont, it will only set the hwaddress at load by a module parameter
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2268 [20:50:50] <karlpinc> rant: What problems do a changing mac address cause? (Aside from dhcp issues.)
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2270 [20:51:24] <rant> karlpinc: dhcp is the main issue, but anything outside the TCP/IP layer would be affected.. like WOL or such
2271 [20:51:33] <rant> afaik WOL also works by mac
2272 [20:51:54] <SerajewelKS> i mean you can ARP before running WOL
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2274 [20:52:26] <SerajewelKS> actually that doesn't even make sense
2275 [20:52:33] <karlpinc> rant: I just can't think of things that matter under the tcp/ip layer. WOL almost does not count, I wouldn't want to put a server to sleep.
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2278 [20:52:53] <SerajewelKS> rant: unless the powered-down system remembers the last MAC address the OS told it to use, the WOL MAC won't change
2279 [20:53:16] <rant> regardless a changing macid on a server is ridiculous and only likely to cause problems
2280 [20:53:46] <SerajewelKS> i don't even like using DHCP for servers
2281 [20:53:54] <johnfg> The reboot didn't clear things up. it *does* have the same mac address with the assigned dhcp address (I'm doing this for testing), but *nothing* is showing up as being reserved.
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2283 [20:54:02] <karlpinc> It is strange. But it's a matter of return on time-spent.
2284 [20:54:34] <karlpinc> johnfg: So you rebooted the dhcp server to test what it remembers across reboots?
2285 [20:54:42] <johnfg> I can select: Add DHCP Reservation, and save it. But I don't think it persists.
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2287 [20:55:07] <johnfg> karlpinc: Ah, no, this server, but I'
2288 [20:55:16] <johnfg> I'll do that right now.
2289 [20:55:36] <rant> johnfg: are you using a router appliance you own, perhaps with dd-wrt?
2290 [20:55:37] <karlpinc> johnfg: I'm still trying to figure out the problem.
2291 [20:55:44] <blackswan> where is the best place for somebody who has used debian/ubuntu systems since debian 0.93 and has hardly ever actually had to seriously use an rpm-based distribution to find a quick reference of sysadmin command counterparts. is there such a beastie?
2292 [20:56:08] <blackswan> because i am falling on my face every time i try to do something on a centos system because nothing is where i think it should be.
2293 [20:56:35] <galaxie> Ha! Finally got it working.. except I'm using Windows 10 to bridge the WiFi to the Ethernet.. there must be a Linux equivalent somewhere but I don't want to break anything just yet.
2294 [20:56:37] <blackswan> i need a red hat sherpa
2295 [20:56:53] <rant> blackswan: heh. this has nothing to do with the fact that its RPM its just that different distros keep things in different places.. debian and ubuntu are similar cause ubuntu is based on debian
2296 [20:57:28] <rant> blackswan: when I had someone paying for me to take the CompTIA Linux+ I had to install Suse Enterprise Linux for this reason.. to see where they keep things.. cause thats what the test was based on
2297 [20:57:30] <blackswan> well, it's heritage and the package manager is just one of the biggies
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2301 [20:58:17] <rant> several of the questions were about location of and permissions on certain files, which you'd only know if you'd used SLES :P
2302 [20:58:23] <blackswan> i need a linux rosetta stone
2303 [20:58:33] <rant> heh.. good luck with that
2304 [20:58:52] <humpled> surely there are good red hat docs
2305 [20:59:08] <johnfg> rant: Yes, I/we own the router (and we have a cable modem, fwiw).
2306 [20:59:13] <rant> standards like the FHS and FreeDesktop.org and such have made it rather simple if everyone follows them
2307 [20:59:23] <blackswan> oh, but do you see the power of names?
2308 [20:59:33] <blackswan> i just have to google "linux rosetta stone"
2309 [20:59:46] <blackswan> replaced-url
2310 [20:59:52] <johnfg> After rebooting the modem, the MAC address persisted, but the reservation of 192.168.0.100 does not.
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2312 [21:00:22] <karlpinc> johnfg: How to the clients know the server's IP?
2313 [21:00:28] <karlpinc> s/to/do/
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2316 [21:01:34] <blackswan> replaced-url
2317 [21:01:47] <johnfg> just a sec, brb
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2319 [21:02:29] <blackswan> ooh, that one is fancy
2320 [21:02:32] <rant> blackswan: those two links are a good resource then?
2321 [21:02:40] <blackswan> idk
2322 [21:02:43] <blackswan> i just found them.
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2325 [21:03:01] <blackswan> it's something, anyway
2326 [21:03:57] <rant> blackswan: well if you find them useful you could do something like /msg dpkg rosetta stone is <reply>A rosetta stone for various linux distributions can be found at replaced-url
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2330 [21:04:42] <blackswan> oh. where can i read about the dpkg bot?
2331 [21:04:58] <karlpinc> rant: At a glance, I'm not that impressed with the first link. The big differences between apt and rpm that I recall are to do with network setup and daemon startup configuration.
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2333 [21:05:23] <greycat> none of that has anything to do with rpm or dpkg or apt
2334 [21:05:29] <karlpinc> blackswan: I think wiki.debian.org has a page on the bot.
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2336 [21:06:01] <karlpinc> greycat: At it turned out, neither did blackswan's difficulties.
2337 [21:06:23] <blackswan> apt and rpm is an impedance mismatch. apt is a counterpart of yum, rpm is a counterpart of dpkg
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2342 [21:07:27] <johnfg> I think I've got the problem solved, router-wise, at present. Everything is persisting after reboots of computer and router.
2343 [21:07:42] <johnfg> Thanks for helping me work through and solve the problem.
2344 [21:07:54] <johnfg> Sorry I wasn't able to explain it any better.
2345 [21:08:21] <humpled> :|/
2346 [21:08:33] <karlpinc> johnfg: Just make sure the dhcp server won't hand out the server's IP to another box.
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2349 [21:09:37] <johnfg> If I'm understanding the router config right, because the MAC address serves for the id of what's going to get 192.168.0.whatever assigned, I think it's good.
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2355 [21:12:41] <johnfg> karlpinc: Thanks again for the help!
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2370 [21:18:53] <wald0> what is the difference between "ALL=(ALL)" and "ALL=(ALL:ALL)" in the sudo configurations?
2371 [21:18:57] <wald0> i dont found info about that
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2378 [21:23:33] <SerajewelKS> the sudoers manpage was definitely written for people who want to write a grammar parser, not people who want to know how to configure sudo
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2382 [21:25:01] <rant> heh
2383 [21:25:12] <rant> yeah sudoers is one of the hardest manpages to read
2384 [21:25:14] <babilen> ENBF ftw
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2387 [21:25:48] <SerajewelKS> it's a weird flex
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2389 [21:26:00] <SerajewelKS> someone wanted everyone to know how technically proficient they were when they wrote that
2390 [21:26:33] <rant> wald0: ALL1 = (ALL2:ALL3) ALL4 means 1) users matched for this rule 2)hostnames allowed to run the following commands 3)users allowed to run the following commands 4) the commands allowed
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2392 [21:27:18] <wald0> SerajewelKS: just like "modern books" ? :)
2393 [21:27:22] <rant> really the 3 is and can be omitted cause its kind of redundant
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2395 [21:27:32] <SerajewelKS> people still write books?
2396 [21:27:34] <wald0> thanks rant!
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2400 [21:28:12] <rant> wald0: you can also use the NOPASSWD: directive on the list of 4) to allow commands to be ran without a password
2401 [21:28:57] <rant> as for getting polkit and such to also respect sudoers thats another issue altogether
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2438 [21:45:59] <seeker51> my firefox that came with stretch install keeps crashing on pages ---- any suggestions
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2457 [21:55:02] <jmcnaught> seeker51: go to about:support and then restart with add-ons disabled
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2464 [21:59:41] <seeker51> jmcnaught: ok thanks
2465 [21:59:41] <downtrip> Hi, anybody using Buster on an Intel NUC 8i5BEH,hdmi with xorg & i3. Having some issues with rendering web pages on browsers, Can paste a couple of images to show the problem. Works with Compton but only when unfocussed
2466 [22:00:53] <jmcnaught> seeker51: if that helps then you can disable all of your add-ons and turn them back on one by one. You can also watch for errors from your user session with "journalctl -u user-$UID.slice -f" or try running firefox-esr from a terminal emulator and look for errors on stderr/stdout
2467 [22:01:11] <woenx> Question. Is 2.1GB some kind of magic number? I can't copy files larger than that over the network (The file gets copied, but it's truncated at 2.1gb)
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2469 [22:01:36] <woenx> the filesystem is ext4. They only way of getting the whole file, is using rsync
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2471 [22:02:21] <woenx> Even playing a file stored on that debian server, using amazon fire tv, the video file stops at the time it reaches the 2.1gb point
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2474 [22:03:05] <seeker51> jmcnaught: it says i am running in safe mode.
2475 [22:03:31] <jmcnaught> seeker51: so if it still crashes in safe mode then it's not a problem with one of your add-ons
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2478 [22:04:26] <phazon> woenx: might be an issue with the software/"app" on the fire device
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2483 [22:05:51] <woenx> phazon: but it also happens in another ubuntu machine. the file is copied, but only until 2.1gb (and no error is given)
2484 [22:06:03] <woenx> the files are copied from a network share using samba
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2490 [22:10:52] <woenx> Ohhh, that might be due to an old kernel module,that limits the file size in samba transfers...
2491 [22:11:04] <ChunkzZ> can anyone help me get wireguard working on debian 9 (stretch) ?
2492 [22:11:08] <seeker51> jmcnaught: pipe error [54] then pipe error [54]
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2496 [22:11:52] <seeker51> jmcnaught: and yes it crashed in safe mode too
2497 [22:11:58] <ChunkzZ> I've installed it but the guide on debian's site isn't helping...
2498 [22:12:13] <phazon> woenx: mount the smb share with lfs (large file system) support. password=blahblah,lfs
2499 [22:12:22] <ChunkzZ> all I want to do is connect to /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf
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2501 [22:12:33] <woenx> phazon: the problem is that I cannot use that option in the client (the amazon fire tv)
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2503 [22:13:16] <jmcnaught> seeker51: is the whole browser crashing, or only some tabs? Now that you have that error, have you found any useful relevant search results?
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2505 [22:14:14] <seeker51> jmcnaught: i only have one tab open and it crashes thanks for your help once again i will do research have a good day
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2518 [22:20:40] <uio> Maybe it's my eyes, but I get the impression than some Firefox font display is kind of off. Is there a fix for this?
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2520 [22:22:20] <humpled> tempted to say spectacles ;)
2521 [22:22:37] <jmcnaught> maybe you just need to set it to kind of on
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2541 [22:31:41] <ChunkzZ> can anyone help me get wireguard working on debian 9 (stretch) ? I've installed it but the guide on debian's site isn't helping...
2542 [22:32:10] <ChunkzZ> all I want to do is connect to /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf
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2544 [22:32:30] <phazon> woenx: try using kodi or vlc which use their own smb libraries
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2564 [22:47:11] <tsglove> I'm trying to track down why a generic webcam is not working under Stretch. The webcam is new. When I plug it in, it does pop-up in /dev/video0 . If I try to open the webcam from VLC, I get an error-line in VLC stating: v4l2 error: cannot start streaming: Input/output error
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2566 [22:47:24] <tsglove> Not sure if to continue debugging in Debian or somewhere else?
2567 [22:47:58] <tsglove> I also tried the simple program 'cheese' and it does not show an image for the webcam, although I did not inquire further as to get an error log out of cheese.
2568 [22:48:10] <tsglove> Any ideas on how I can further figure out what's going on with the webcam?
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2577 [23:01:50] <jmcnaught> tsglove: you could try it with a newer kernel, either by using a buster live ISO or installing a kernel from stretch-backports
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2583 [23:05:54] <woenx> phazon: I am using Kodi 18.0 on the amazon fire tv
2584 [23:05:58] <EdePopede> buster live? so not only stable has them?
2585 [23:06:30] <jmcnaught> EdePopede: replaced-url
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2587 [23:07:14] <EdePopede> nice. how didn't i notice this?
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2592 [23:08:09] <EdePopede> a suggestion how to make a multiboot cd? i'm sure i had one before, but who knows what i used to create it.
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2594 [23:08:34] <EdePopede> i mean something where i could add arbitrary ISOs without too much work.
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2598 [23:10:10] <EdePopede> or some info how to do it with the usual tools. i don't really need a shiny gui ;)
2599 [23:11:05] <annadane> interesting, that wiki wireguard guide tells you to put sid in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/unstable-wireguard.list
2600 [23:11:33] <annadane> along with some pinning
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2603 [23:12:06] <annadane> ChunkzZ, can you maybe elaborate, you try to connect to /etc/wireguard/wg0.conf and it doesn't connect?
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2635 [23:35:59] <DUKENUKEM> anyone use apt-offline? i created a .sig on my offline machine, pulled all the debs into a .zip bundle on the internet-connected machine, but when i go to install the package on the offline machine, it just says "XYZ.deb file synced" and I dont see any packages installed
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2640 [23:37:03] <DUKENUKEM> oh im an idiot, you have to apt-offline install it, then apt-get install it :p
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2642 [23:38:35] <galaxie> DUKENUKEM: Done that before, took me awhile too.
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2646 [23:39:55] <oiaohm> DUKENUKEM: apt-offline is populating the apt cache.
2647 [23:40:08] <oiaohm> DUKENUKEM: so not in fact installing.
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