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9 [00:02:42] <mzajc> I have a problem with the tty. It has just recently stopped coloring username@host:path$. How do I make it color that as it should?
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12 [00:04:49] <Franknog> put if ["$TERM" = "linux" ]; then echo -en "\e]PB******" ... fi in .bashrc
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14 [00:05:21] <agio> LtL: not every program in /sbin needs sudo. e.g. /sbin/ifconfig. not being on $PATH means I have to use sudo,( to get a $PATH with /sbin on it) where I otherwise wouldn't
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16 [00:05:53] <humpled> no you don't, just use the full path
17 [00:06:15] <Franknog> replace asterisks with hex color values, e]PB represents only one of the several colors, and ... should be the rest of the color values
18 [00:06:23] <agio> how? which command ?
19 [00:06:32] <humpled> normally that is already arranged in ~/.bashrc Franknog
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23 [00:07:23] <humpled> you just need to uncheck force_color_prompt=yes
24 [00:07:34] <humpled> but i wonder how it worked before and doesn't now
25 [00:08:01] <mzajc> humpled: that did it, thanks!
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29 [00:08:17] <humpled> oh cool
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31 [00:08:35] <humpled> agio /sbin/ifconfig
32 [00:08:41] <LtL> agio: there are exceptions i suppose, ifconfig works without root, but i doubt any arguments to ifconfig will work without root
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35 [00:10:09] <agio> I meant how do you find out what the full path to a binary is - when comands like `which ifconfig' won't work - becuase it won't have a complete $PATH available to it
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38 [00:11:23] <mzajc> agio: does whereis work?
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42 [00:12:35] <agio> mzajc: yes, it does, I will try using that from now on :)
43 [00:12:42] <agio> thanks
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46 [00:15:51] <agio> I'd still be interested to know what debians reasoning for leaving those directories off $PATH is.
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56 [00:19:31] <humpled> replaced-url
57 [00:19:42] <humpled> ip is recommended over ifconfig now
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63 [00:21:06] <tds> (and the iproute2 package puts it at /bin/ip :)
64 [00:21:47] <wald0> which are the minimal packages for XORG needed to install to run graphical applications from ssh -Y ?
65 [00:22:00] <wald0> in the remote
66 [00:22:56] <agio> humpled: cool. thanks
67 [00:23:36] <humpled> i wasn't sure enough myself to give an answer
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72 [00:29:02] <LtL> $PATH
73 [00:29:10] <LtL> oops, sorry
74 [00:29:44] <annadane> path: /usr/local/bin/hexchat/users/spambots
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76 [00:30:09] <phogg> a subdirectory of a bin dir? Surely you jest
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78 [00:30:49] <annadane> fair point, that
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82 [00:32:35] <xparanoik> good evenin'
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86 [00:33:19] <LtL> Error with command '$PATH'
87 [00:33:23] <jmcnaught> wald0: are you asking this because you have recommends disabled? Because otherwise those dependencies should be automatically installed. You could turn recommends back on and then simulate installing an X11 application like "apt-get -s install leafpad" or something
88 [00:33:26] <LtL> sorry again
89 [00:33:47] <phogg> wald0: If all you're doing is running a client you shouldn't need much more than libx11 or libxcb + the application itself. If your application uses a toolkit lib you will of course need that also, and any of its other deps.
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100 [00:40:47] <incal> Unix (UNIX) history: were AT&T and Bell Labs owned/run by the US state (federal government?) or were they wholly or in part private corporations/institutions, or perhaps associated with the university world?
101 [00:41:03] <incal> state, right?
102 [00:41:24] <incal> BSD - university world?
103 [00:41:29] <jmcnaught> wald0: actually I just tried my example with --no-install-recommends and it still installed a bunch of X libraries, so I don't know how you got an X11 program installed without them. Maybe you need to troubleshoot something else, like "ssh -vvv …" or check /etc/ssh/sshd_config for 'X11Forwarding yes', 'journalctl -u ssh.service -b' etc?
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108 [00:44:30] <annadane> incal, #debian-offtopic
109 [00:46:04] <incal> Debian history isn't OT IMO
110 [00:46:21] <annadane> it's off topic for a support channel
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112 [00:46:26] <incal> ah, OK
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117 [00:52:22] <wald0> ah! found! only needed "xauth" :)
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207 [01:44:50] <becks`> hi, does linux have a timer so that it keeps data to be written to disk in my RAM for x seconds first? I don't mind loosing data in case of a power outage
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332 [02:53:10] <lzzer245> helo
333 [02:53:22] <lzzer245> *hello
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377 [03:24:40] <icarious> Hi I have a question. The linux-source as shipped by Debian also includes all the patches / deblob that Debian uses? Or is it the Kernel in vanilla form unpatched?
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380 [03:27:03] <cusco> it includes the patches
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386 [03:27:12] <cusco> err
387 [03:27:19] <cusco> no sorry I missread your question
388 [03:27:30] <cusco> the deb-src of linux-image includes the patches
389 [03:27:56] <cusco> the linux-source is a different package, I cannot pronounce myself about it
390 [03:28:31] <icarious> Ok got it
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456 [04:24:25] <annadane> does wine-development in debian stable use the latest upstream or...?
457 [04:25:12] <annadane> i notice wine itself is in backports
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461 [04:28:08] <rant> winetricks and playonlinux as I recall both facilitate installing different versions for different bottles and are capable of easily installing the lastest version
462 [04:28:13] <rant> ,v wine
463 [04:28:14] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch-backports: 4.0-1~bpo9+2; buster: 4.0-2; sid: 4.0-2
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465 [04:28:32] <rant> the answer to your question however seems to be, obviously not.
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473 [04:35:32] <annadane> comparing the versions between wine and wine-development it seems development is the development version of each individual branch, be it stable or testing/sid
474 [04:36:04] <annadane> in the same sense as kernel 4.9 can get updates independant from 4.19 or whatever
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478 [04:38:23] <awal1> ,v telegram-desktop
479 [04:38:24] <judd> Package: telegram-desktop on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.1.23-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.5.11-1; sid: 1.5.11-1
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481 [04:38:42] <awal1> does ^works fine?
482 [04:38:47] <annadane> !tias
483 [04:38:48] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
484 [04:38:54] <awal1> :D
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487 [04:40:48] <annadane> most packages in stable/stable backports should work...
488 [04:40:53] <annadane> if not, well, that's a bug repor
489 [04:40:54] <annadane> t
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491 [04:42:41] <jakey__> hey, i installed python3-pip but typing `pip` doesn't bring up pip
492 [04:42:59] <jakey__> i checked and it's because my default python is python2
493 [04:43:17] <annadane> jakey__, use pip3
494 [04:43:20] <jakey__> so i think i need to set my default python to python3 and then pip will also show up in my path?
495 [04:43:23] <jakey__> pip3?
496 [04:43:28] <jakey__> is that the package name?
497 [04:43:29] <milkt> k
498 [04:43:29] <annadane> use pip3 as the name of the command
499 [04:43:33] <jakey__> ohhhh
500 [04:43:40] <jakey__> thanks
501 [04:43:48] <jakey__> o/
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503 [04:43:52] <annadane> and no do not start messing with changing default pythons, avoid root with this python stuff blah blah
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505 [04:44:53] <milkt> sorry mistype
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507 [04:45:11] <rant> annadane: I don't really see your point.. stable has 1.8.7 sid has 4.0 latest upstream is 4.0.1
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509 [04:46:58] <rant> but by the look of winehq I can probably get rid of crossover on my fathers machine before I do a buster upgrade.. cause it's showing Office 2003 and 2007 at platinum status.. he's got 2003 and last I tried it Crossover 17 ran it better
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512 [04:48:16] <rant> though I probably wont upgrade him anyhow.. by time stretch reaches EOL or he drives me nuts, I'll have gotten him a new computer and just do a fresh install :P
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614 [06:30:31] <kdn> why there is update-man-something process taking 100$ of the cpu?
615 [06:30:53] <kdn> it sits there for a couple of minutes alreafy
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617 [06:32:32] <themill> is this a particularly large upgrade?
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659 [07:18:40] <Ericounet> salut à tous
660 [07:19:00] <Ericounet> oups .... wrong chan ... sorry but hi, anyway :)
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669 [07:28:50] <annadane> how simple is it to resize an existing partition with debian on it? use a live image, unmount the partition, use gparted or something?
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673 [07:30:07] <annadane> the internet seems to agree with me
674 [07:30:18] <annadane> remind me to ask it before blindly demanding irc
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695 [07:44:20] <deego> Why do I see this Ignore upon apt update? Ign:1 replaced-url
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697 [07:44:53] <dessy22> Hi
698 [07:45:19] <dessy22> LADIES Love Foreskin! replaced-url
699 [07:46:37] <dessy22> "WE LOVE FORESKIN!" Smart women in the Party Truck - Brother K replaced-url
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704 [07:48:06] <deego> ah, "Ign means there are no changes in the pdiff index file, it wont bother downloading it again."
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706 [07:48:48] <deego> In that case, why does it keep hitting "Hit:1 replaced-url
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708 [07:50:10] <agenta9i> Hello
709 [07:50:58] <agenta9i> Damaged for Life By Circumcision replaced-url
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741 [08:12:54] <CrazyTux> is debian testing the rolling release variant of Debian?
742 [08:13:41] <agio> no
743 [08:13:47] <rwp> Testing is the release candidate for the next Stable release.
744 [08:13:58] <CrazyTux> ok
745 [08:14:09] <CrazyTux> when is the next stable release going to happen?
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747 [08:16:14] <rwp> !wwbr > CrazyTux
748 [08:16:34] <agio> !wwbr
749 [08:16:34] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. replaced-url
750 [08:16:53] <CrazyTux> ok
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752 [08:18:33] <agio> if debian's packaging model isn't "rolling releases" what is the "model" debian uses called?
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756 [08:21:44] <agio> "point releases"?
757 [08:21:45] <hans_> agio, closest thing debian got to rolling is sid, i guess
758 [08:22:24] <agio> no, my question was what do we call debians release model?
759 [08:22:35] <milkt> agio: stable release or point release i guess
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766 [08:28:24] <rwp> An old but related reference agio replaced-url
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768 [08:29:17] <agio> rwp there is also this:
769 [08:29:19] <agio> replaced-url
770 [08:29:42] <wr> remote access to a debian pc with GUI across reboots and poweroff's what do you guys suggest to use?
771 [08:29:43] <agio> similar idea
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773 [08:30:17] <agio> X over ssh
774 [08:30:21] <rwp> agio, Yes but replaced-url
775 [08:30:37] <agio> hah, ok
776 [08:30:58] <agio> even your link is dated 2010
777 [08:31:26] <rwp> Well... I did say it was an old reference.
778 [08:31:46] <rwp> wr, There is replaced-url
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780 [08:32:12] <rwp> But those are obsolete and hard to find these days.
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783 [08:33:50] <rwp> There are also KVM over IP converters that do the same thing with an external adapter too. Those work acceptably but are relatively expensive.
784 [08:33:55] <wr> rwp, that what was going to say, but i don't refer to hardware just software access side
785 [08:34:34] <wr> rwp, but if wanna say something on hardware go ahead
786 [08:35:06] <rwp> If you are working on a bare metal hardware system then I think it requires more hardware to do what you are asking.
787 [08:35:22] <rwp> However what you are asking is very easy on a virtual machine system. Because the host can provide it for the guest.
788 [08:35:35] <wr> rwp, basically is pc+ debian inside, thats it
789 [08:36:02] <wr> pc, debian, remote access to home from anywhere
790 [08:36:22] <wr> by the way ssh is top
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792 [08:36:46] <rwp> If you only care about remote desktop when the desktop is up then there are solutions for it. (Names escape me at the moment however.)
793 [08:37:02] <wr> rwp, what i really need is something so good as ssh on the GUI side
794 [08:37:29] <rwp> And most of us use ssh for terminal access from anywhere. That's the base level of access. But you said graphical across reboots and poweroffs...
795 [08:37:47] <wr> rwp, i think i hate all solutions to remote desktop that exist today, rdp, vnc, etc
796 [08:38:02] <pingfloyd> remote with gui generally sucks
797 [08:38:17] <pingfloyd> x2go is one of the better options for that though
798 [08:39:50] <t0x-Avgr> nomachine (NX) works well, but its not foss
799 [08:40:18] <pingfloyd> I try run all free software as much as possible
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801 [08:40:28] <wr> rwp, pingfloyd one thing fairly easy to use is teamviewer you install a deb and have ID pass, but i hate it too because you use someone else machine to access your pc, so...
802 [08:41:01] <pingfloyd> isn't teamviewer proprietary though?
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804 [08:41:13] <wr> yeah so it sucks too
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807 [08:41:51] <Franknog> wr: hey vnc is pretty good if you don't mind a mess of screen tearing and sloppy mouse control
808 [08:41:57] <rwp> Is anyone using Apache Guacamole?
809 [08:42:22] <hans_> rwp, tried aliexpress?
810 [08:42:23] <pingfloyd> should try one of the libre ones such as x2go first at least. one of the nice things about it is that the client is multiplatform.
811 [08:42:47] <wr> Franknog, if i poweroff or reboot will the vnc always be able to resume logins?
812 [08:43:24] <Franknog> wr: if you set it to start on boot, and log back in
813 [08:43:31] <wr> i tried a bunch of stuff and for me all remote desktop sucks on linux
814 [08:43:42] <rwp> hans_, The Alibaba retailer? Have not.
815 [08:44:10] <hans_> y but nvm they dont have it x.x
816 [08:44:22] <wr> Franknog, the vnc does work, but never liked it's setup
817 [08:44:54] <Franknog> wr: just run tightvncviewer from terminal
818 [08:44:59] <pingfloyd> wr: I just use ssh
819 [08:45:06] <rwp> I have heard good things about replaced-url
820 [08:45:10] <rwp> I just use ssh for my own needs.
821 [08:45:19] <pingfloyd> wr: I prefer the CLI and it works no fuss.
822 [08:45:47] <wr> rwp, i never installed that one but i once had a look on it
823 [08:45:48] <rwp> ssh, bash, mutt, emacs, FTW!
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825 [08:46:29] <wr> pingfloyd, ssh is great but when you use something with a GUI comes more pain
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827 [08:47:06] <rwp> I should have added to my list above i3 a mouse-less window manager.
828 [08:47:46] <rwp> Plus tmux/screen. Couldn't live without those either.
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830 [08:48:13] <rwp> There is a theme there. The theme is, "It's All Text."
831 [08:48:55] <pingfloyd> there's really only a few programs that gui makes more sense
832 [08:49:19] <hans_> > We call it clientless because no plugins or client software are required.
833 [08:49:21] <pingfloyd> programs like gimp and blender
834 [08:49:26] <hans_> sorry but that's impossible
835 [08:49:38] <Franknog> pingfloyd: I'd bet an insignificant amount of tux bucks you have weechat installed
836 [08:49:44] <rwp> I think they mean other than that which is already part of the web browser.
837 [08:49:47] <pingfloyd> Franknog: yep
838 [08:49:51] <pingfloyd> Franknog: that's what I'm using
839 [08:50:04] <pingfloyd> Franknog: been using for quite a few years. I used to use irssi
840 [08:50:16] <Franknog> pingfloyd: I love it
841 [08:50:16] <hans_> the closest you can get to a tcp socket is WebSocket and you can't implement a SSH client in WebSocket - not without special ssh server support, anyway
842 [08:50:26] <pingfloyd> Franknog: weechat or irsii?
843 [08:50:26] <hans_> SSH just doesn't use the WebSocket protocol.
844 [08:50:31] <CrazyTux> what is Ubuntu LTS based on? debian testing or unstable?
845 [08:50:37] <Franknog> pingfloyd: weechat
846 [08:50:48] <pingfloyd> Franknog: yeah, I think it's the best one of them all
847 [08:50:51] <rwp> CrazyTux, Neither. It's a fork.
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849 [08:51:16] <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: they base it on an snapshot of testing
850 [08:51:22] <CrazyTux> rwp: ok
851 [08:51:23] <Franknog> pingfloyd: how do you change buffers with numbers greater than 9 with a hotkey? lol
852 [08:51:25] <hans_> CrazyTux, it's based on debian testing
853 [08:51:30] <CrazyTux> ok
854 [08:51:35] <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: the regular ubuntu is from a snapshot of sid
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856 [08:52:01] <hans_> pingfloyd, really? last i read, which was years ago, it was based on testing, but idk anymore
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858 [08:52:10] <pingfloyd> hans_: LTS is based on testing
859 [08:52:13] <rwp> Franknog, The letters q w e r (not t) y u i o give you more numbers.
860 [08:52:16] <hans_> oh kk
861 [08:52:18] <pingfloyd> hans_: regular release on sid
862 [08:52:21] <wr> pingfloyd, on that x2go if use any win machine to get to a linux one, will it work ok?
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864 [08:52:47] <pingfloyd> wr: yeah. I has a windows client
865 [08:52:55] <pingfloyd> wr: the server part of it is linux only though
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867 [08:53:54] <pingfloyd> that's actually what I used, because it was at work.
868 [08:53:57] <rwp> Some things in Debian are based on Ubuntu packages. Some things are the reverse. The two are related but separate.
869 [08:54:11] <pingfloyd> they used x2go windows client there.
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873 [08:56:06] <wr> pingfloyd, replaced-url
874 [08:57:26] <pingfloyd> wr: try: apt-get install -f
875 [08:57:31] <pingfloyd> all by itself
876 [08:57:47] <pingfloyd> you have held broken packages
877 [08:57:59] <CrazyTux> does Debian have more number of packages as compared to distros based on rpm?
878 [08:58:01] <rwp> apt-mark showhold
879 [08:58:05] <wr> pingfloyd, doesn't do nothing just retrieves terminal again :)
880 [08:58:14] <wr> i tried it before
881 [08:58:15] <CrazyTux> like mageia, fedora, pclinuxos etc?
882 [08:58:19] <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: yeah
883 [08:58:38] <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: centos and fedora don't have that many official packages
884 [08:58:52] <CrazyTux> can we install snaps and flapaks on debian stable?
885 [08:59:33] <rwp> CrazyTux, "Enough is equal to a feast" --Henry Fielding . Which is to say that if it has everything you need then the number of packages does not matter.
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891 [09:04:18] <CrazyTux> can community based distros be more complete and more refined than distros supported by corporations?
892 [09:05:04] <CrazyTux> for example, mx linux vis-a-vis ubuntu.
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899 [09:11:18] <rwp> CrazyTux, Debian and Ubuntu have a similar number of packages. Both have a huge amount more than RHEL by comparison.
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902 [09:12:24] <hans_> or RedStarOS
903 [09:13:46] <oiaohm> rwp: replaced-url
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907 [09:18:13] <CrazyTux> ok
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909 [09:21:22] <rwp> oiaohm, Yes. That does make it rather cheating to count numbers of packages then. Which is why I was saying that the number of packages don't really matter.
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911 [09:22:33] <rwp> And if numbers do matter then it reinforces that corporate backed distros really have fewer packages than community based ones.
912 [09:23:11] <wr> rwp, guacamole client uses java :(
913 [09:23:18] <oiaohm> CrazyTux: some of the distributions people think of as community are not 100 percent that. replaced-url
914 [09:23:37] <CrazyTux> oiaohm: ok
915 [09:24:16] <oiaohm> CrazyTux: so debian you would class as a multi company distribution. This does kind of explain why it has so many packages. Its not depending in the income of one company.
916 [09:24:34] <CrazyTux> ok
917 [09:25:43] <rwp> Guacamole client uses Java? I did not know that. :-(
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922 [09:29:54] <oiaohm> CrazyTux: replaced-url
923 [09:30:21] <CrazyTux> ok
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925 [09:31:52] <oiaohm> Debian only has so many because it really has so many big servers to be building and running quality control. If you subtract debian packages off ubuntu there is not much left of ubuntu.
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927 [09:33:17] <CrazyTux> ok
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931 [09:33:49] <oiaohm> CrazyTux: replaced-url
932 [09:34:15] <CrazyTux> great.
933 [09:34:39] <rwp> Debian is also pushing reproducible builds in a big way. Which is really an important goal.
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936 [09:35:05] <oiaohm> again reproducible doing that you need server power to be have to build and compare.
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938 [09:35:42] <oiaohm> Debian is well resourced by companies even that is call a community distribution a lot because no single company rules it.
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942 [09:36:16] <oiaohm> It really simple to create a new distribution. The problem is having the resources to maintain it.
943 [09:36:32] <CrazyTux> ok
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947 [09:39:11] <CrazyTux> thanks a lot for all this info.
948 [09:39:15] <oiaohm> CrazyTux: As you should be getting is the line between "community based distros" and "distros supported by corporations" is not a line. There is areas of overlap and debian is one of those in the middle between both.
949 [09:39:31] <CrazyTux> ok
950 [09:40:08] <oiaohm> Even redhat with Fedora/RHEL combination is not 100 percent corporation its part community as well.
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952 [09:40:20] <CrazyTux> ok
953 [09:40:43] <oiaohm> Linux world has many things that are shades of grey.
954 [09:41:00] <oiaohm> Like Microsoft contributing code to the Linux kernel.
955 [09:41:06] <CrazyTux> I agree.
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1110 [11:28:47] <strk> I get a "NO_PUBKEY F473DD4473365DE1" message from apt, but I've specified a pubring in the source.list.d file:
1111 [11:28:51] <strk> deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/matrix-org-archive-keyring.gpg] replaced-url
1112 [11:29:14] <strk> what could the problem be ?
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1120 [11:32:53] <strk> oh sorry, wrong repo :)
1121 [11:32:57] <strk> it was for replaced-url
1122 [11:33:12] <strk> I guess they dismissed jessie-updates mirror ? could that be ?
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1134 [11:39:56] <derby> hi all
1135 [11:40:15] <alocer> hey
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1141 [11:44:42] <Optimus_Prime> hi all
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1167 [12:04:41] <EdePopede> strk: according to the topic? yes.
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1185 [12:15:31] * strk istempted to dist-upgrade, but very scared about loosing all services hosted on that server and needing days to bring everything up again
1186 [12:16:26] <alocer> dont then
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1197 [12:21:15] <kurian> Hello
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1207 [12:27:01] <EdePopede> strk: installing the code is the easy part, bringing the data back to life is the manual job. make a list of what you need, install it on another machine, see what changes are needed, read the docs, especially those with focus on changes. see if you can simply throw your old content over the upgraded packages.
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1213 [12:28:18] <EdePopede> of course this can take days or even weeks, depending on how good you are and what the server is running. but if it is that crucial, you also don't wait with your plans until your distro reaches EOL.
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1230 [12:41:53] <os-49574> Hi, folks
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1269 [13:06:21] <mi11k1> does anybody know whats involved with taking android STB and just putting debian on it?
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1279 [13:17:48] <hans_> how do i tell this thing that i want UTC+0 ? replaced-url
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1282 [13:21:59] <hans_> ... apparently telling it that i'm in iceland (whilst actually being in Canada) works
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1287 [13:29:44] <melpy> you can change later after installation
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1299 [13:38:56] <strk> so, I just did an "apt upgrade" (instead of dist-upgrade) and was still able to lock me out :(
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1301 [13:39:09] <strk> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
1302 [13:39:14] <strk> any idea why could that be ?
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1312 [13:46:27] <abrotman> strk: anything /etc/hosts.deny or /etc/hosts.allow ?
1313 [13:46:52] <strk> abrotman: I cannot reach the host!
1314 [13:47:57] <abrotman> you hvae no other way in
1315 [13:48:30] <strk> I have a password, but ssh client doesn't prompt me for one, do you know how to force it to prompt me?
1316 [13:49:24] <abrotman> you don't have a remote console/
1317 [13:49:26] <abrotman> ?
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1319 [13:49:43] <strk> I'm looking for it now
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1321 [13:49:55] <strk> not that friendly :(
1322 [13:50:07] <at0m> strk: hmm.. ssh keeps connection open even when sshd gets upgraded/reloaded. my practice is to then try another ssh connection. not unless that other connection works, i close the first. this doesn't help you now, but it might in the future.
1323 [13:50:23] <at0m> if the new connection fails, i can fix the sshd from the old
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1327 [13:55:22] <strk> booting in rescue mode
1328 [13:55:40] <strk> at0m: unfortunately my previous connection was interrupted (I think a tcp timeout)
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1331 [13:56:37] <at0m> :/
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1336 [13:58:16] <strk> at0m: anyway, can you think of any reason why ssh would start doing that ?
1337 [13:58:19] <strk> on upgrade
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1339 [13:58:24] <strk> (no dist-upgrade!)
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1359 [14:08:54] <strk> systemd[1]: Failed to reset devices.list on /system.slice/systemd-remount-fs.service: No such file or directory
1360 [14:08:57] <strk> from logs of the machine
1361 [14:09:00] <strk> many such errors
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1364 [14:09:42] <strk> are logs in UTC ?
1365 [14:09:43] <strk> May 19 12:19:34
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1367 [14:10:04] <strk> the above is timestamp in /var/log/daemon.log -- how to tell if there's a timezone ?
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1371 [14:11:17] <strk> ok, ENOMEM
1372 [14:11:21] <strk> sounds to be the issue
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1375 [14:13:22] <abrotman> strk: did you look in the files I asked about?
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1385 [14:15:58] <strk> abrotman: uphm, no (given the ENOMEM issue I foundin syslog)
1386 [14:16:16] <strk> a normal reboot fixed it
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1389 [14:16:44] <strk> now to find out what did that
1390 [14:16:49] <strk> not easy to tell
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1392 [14:17:56] <at0m> strk: /var/log/auth.log if the sshd refused the connections. if it was running at all, ofc
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1394 [14:18:51] <strk> I'm afraid it wasn't able to run due to lack of RAM
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1397 [14:19:20] <strk> here: May 19 13:47:52 hst sshd[601]: error: fork: Cannot allocate memory
1398 [14:19:44] <at0m> strk: oh. and maybe a whole bunch of services along with it
1399 [14:19:50] <strk> any idea where to find info about which process could have been using all that RAM ?
1400 [14:19:57] <strk> yes, whole bunch
1401 [14:20:19] <strk> - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATT
1402 [14:20:19] <strk> EMPT!
1403 [14:20:23] <strk> at May 19 12:15:02
1404 [14:21:55] <strk> at May 19 12:20:02 the out-of-memory started to occur
1405 [14:22:05] <strk> but the IP could have actually been mine
1406 [14:22:15] <strk> or of someone being on my own subnet and having my private ssh key :/
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1409 [14:25:06] <strk> now this is "funny": Unison failed: Uncaught exception Out of memory
1410 [14:25:13] <strk> this time the server side seems ok with RAM
1411 [14:25:24] <strk> KiB Mem: 2016928 total, 812704 used, 1204224 free, 49572 buffers
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1414 [14:26:41] <strk> on the server: apt-get install unison
1415 [14:26:45] <strk> unison is already the newest version.
1416 [14:26:47] <strk> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 175 not upgraded.
1417 [14:26:52] <strk> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
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1419 [14:26:58] <strk> what's the point of asking if there's nothing to do ?
1420 [14:28:29] <melpy> !spam
1421 [14:28:29] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), <bogofilter>, <razor>/<pyzor>, <crm114> (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, replaced-url
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1427 [14:34:41] <strk> PHP Fatal error: Out of memory (allocated 4718592)
1428 [14:34:50] <strk> top doesn't show there being a problem of RAM
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1441 [14:38:30] <strk> total used free shared buffers cached
1442 [14:38:31] <strk> Mem: 1.9G 1.0G 967M 97M 52M 569M
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1475 [14:54:06] <hans_> is there a live version of "unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware" ? (any desktop env, i don't care)
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1478 [14:55:48] <hans_> nvm i think i found it - replaced-url
1479 [14:56:40] <strk> what's /usr/lib/sysstat/sa1 ? ideas /
1480 [14:56:56] <hans_> idk but have you asked file?
1481 [14:56:56] <strk> called by /usr/lib/sysstat/debian-sa1
1482 [14:57:03] <strk> they are both shell scripts
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1484 [14:57:11] <hans_> pastebinit
1485 [14:57:15] <strk> just wondering if you know them because they are unfamiliar to me (run by cron)
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1487 [14:57:46] <strk> they end up calling /usr/lib/sysstat/sadc
1488 [14:58:00] <strk> which is an ELF 64-bit LSB executable
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1490 [14:58:17] <strk> supposedly part of sysstat package
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1528 [15:33:10] <strk> it is unison -server taking all that memory up!
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1530 [15:33:36] <strk> 10% and growing
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1532 [15:33:54] <strk> do you have an alternative suggestion to keep directories synchronized across servers ?
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1535 [15:36:23] <strk> 12.4% RAM and 41% CPU !
1536 [15:36:31] <dvs> ouch
1537 [15:36:55] <strk> unison has never been so much stable actually, I should really switch to an alternative way to synchronize mail
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1543 [15:39:57] <dvs> strk, I'm surprised that synchronizing mailboxes is not a function of the mail server program.
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1545 [15:40:19] <themill> it's an odd use for unison
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1548 [15:44:33] <rant> yeah, I'd think for something like syncing mail you'd use a mail program or just write a simple script
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1552 [15:46:05] <rant> ,file sysstat/debian-sa1
1553 [15:46:10] <judd> Search for sysstat/debian-sa1 in stretch/amd64: sysstat: usr/lib/sysstat/debian-sa1
1554 [15:46:46] <strk> 15.4% RAM usage
1555 [15:46:52] <strk> yes, it's an odd use for unison
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1558 [15:47:17] <strk> I've heard "offlineimap" could be better suited
1559 [15:47:22] <strk> but I don't have a much experience with imap servers to set one up
1560 [15:47:41] <strk> my approach is: POP mail, filter it, organize in Maildir, then synchonize Maildir across devices
1561 [15:48:34] <rant> yes well imap was designed to address many issues with pop, you'd probably do yourself a favor to learn about it
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1564 [15:49:08] <rant> personally I hate email and do all I can to avoid using it
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1571 [15:51:37] <noodlepie> I'm building me a 4.9.168 kernel on this 'ere communal debian PC
1572 [15:51:39] <rant> strk: replaced-url
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1575 [15:52:39] <rant> noodlepie: idk if you are looking for a "congratulations", a "sorry to hear that" or a "why?"
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1580 [15:56:53] <edgar-rft> I think that's a quite impressive achievement for a piece of noodlepie.
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1583 [15:58:04] <strk> hating email has had the result of people using more and more proprietary services to communicate
1584 [15:58:32] <strk> anyway, unison completed, now I've started it again to check it doesn't kill the server anymore
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1592 [16:02:13] <uio> Hi, could someone please unmute me in #debian-offtopic? It's been a while.
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1595 [16:03:49] <themill> unlikely
1596 [16:04:45] <dvs> sure.... on
1597 [16:04:48] <dvs> nno
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1600 [16:08:43] * uio apologises for using wrong channel, but can't access #offtopic for the moment.
1601 [16:08:46] <uio> Dear #debian-offtopic. Sorry for having bothered you today, especially themill, rant, abrotman, EdePopede, Butt3rfly. I was frustrated by the channel rule: no support, but now I do understand that this is the channel rule and the channel culture. For consistency, may I suggest either changing the rules regarding language/wholesome content, or following the rule? Anyway, I hope you all have a good day, and hope to see you again soon here or in
1602 [16:08:46] <uio> #Debian. Or maybe #Microsoft :P
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1615 [16:17:59] <hans_> so no support in #debian-offtopic ?
1616 [16:18:35] <themill> Indeed, our social channel is not there to support derivatives.
1617 [16:18:49] <hans_> derivatives?
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1620 [16:19:45] <hans_> stuff like Ubuntu & co?
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1629 [16:26:39] <rant> hans_: these days seems more often we get people in here using kali, mx, or raspbian.. but you get the idea
1630 [16:27:27] <RoyK> themill: what did uio do, really?
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1633 [16:29:18] <themill> Wandering from channel to channel to pick arguments isn't a good use of anyone's time.
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1650 [16:49:46] <laptop> hello has anyone used protonvpn
1651 [16:50:58] <EdePopede> the developers i hope
1652 [16:51:30] <ksk> never heard of mx until now. their homepage is a really nice picture of 2.0 meeting 1990 regarding the style :D
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1654 [16:52:45] <ksk> laptop: as long as you dont have specific question about a vpn client supported by debian (== available via official debian repos), you have come to the wrong place.
1655 [16:53:12] <laptop> what vpn client is supported by debian
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1657 [16:53:29] <ksk> !smart questions
1658 [16:53:29] <dpkg> Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. replaced-url
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1727 [17:47:59] <annadane> can i resize my partition via the debian installer usb stick i have or is a live image a better idea?
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1730 [17:49:23] <ksk> didnt the debian installer contain a live system? not sure..
1731 [17:49:44] <annadane> it... has a rescue mode
1732 [17:49:49] <annadane> so maybe?
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1735 [17:53:12] <annadane> virtual machine ahoy!
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1738 [17:54:48] <annadane> (i need to stop deleting my images of distros, these downloads take forever sometimes)
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1740 [17:55:04] <denahv> true
1741 [17:55:17] <denahv> backup is always nice :)
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1747 [17:59:06] <xparanoik> i used to keep several gigabytes worth of images, but deleted it over the years. haven't had issues with download speeds, but it really depends on the mirror
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1752 [18:01:29] <ross`> Can someone help me get my capture card working properly in Debian. I think I may need to adjust my kernel.
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1768 [18:12:17] <phazon> ross`: please share the output of 'lspci -vnn' so we can see what the device is; if it's usb: 'lsusb -v'
1769 [18:14:25] <phazon> !tell ross` -about paste
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1773 [18:16:09] <ross`> replaced-url
1774 [18:16:31] <ross`> I have an Avermedia gamer ultra, which theoretically works with linux and I've seen youtube videos of it working on Ubuntu I think out of the box.
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1777 [18:16:56] <ross`> OBS detects the capture card, even with the correct name, but does not actually output the video.
1778 [18:17:06] <ross`> It works on windows
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1782 [18:18:42] <ross`> The lsusb output is 1103 lines long just for the device with a bunch of video streaming interface descriptors
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1784 [18:20:06] <phazon> the provided info should be fine
1785 [18:20:54] <ross`> I think I have either a kernel problem, a driver problem, or a firmware problem.
1786 [18:21:19] <ross`> Based on how extensive that output is, I think it's interfacing with the device correctly on maybe 2/3 of those things, and I'm just missing one piece of the puzzle
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1789 [18:22:26] <karlpinc`> ross`: What version of debian? If stable, it wouldn't hurt to try a newer kernel from backports.
1790 [18:22:41] <ross`> 4.19.0-5-amd64
1791 [18:22:47] <ross`> I think that is the backports kernel
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1793 [18:23:33] <ross`> replaced-url
1794 [18:23:44] <ross`> uvcdynctrl shows the device
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1797 [18:25:34] <ross`> in obs if I turn the camera connected to the capture card off it says no input
1798 [18:25:46] <ross`> and if I turn it on it says connecting... with a static usb wheel
1799 [18:25:47] <phazon> idk if we have kernel modules for this; most of what I see is for dvb tuners and not so much v4l devices
1800 [18:26:21] <ross`> Could you help me get the necessary non-free stuff from Ubuntu?
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1802 [18:27:33] <phazon> most of their non-free (and contrib) repo is from debian anyway
1803 [18:28:08] <ross`> Hmmm, ok. People on youtube who have this card working on linux have it working on Ubuntu, I think with default settings.
1804 [18:28:28] <ross`> The company also says the device works on linux, but they don't specify under what kernel/drivers/firmware
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1811 [18:32:58] <karlpinc> ross`: How does it work? It does some sort of hdmi pass-through (?) and does what with the usb port?
1812 [18:33:18] <ross`> hdmi pass-through and captures with usb
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1814 [18:33:50] <phazon> try to install 'v4l2ucp' and see if it can recognize the device
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1818 [18:34:14] <phazon> it is a gui for configuring /some/ v4l devices
1819 [18:34:44] <ross`> Cool, it finds my card and says it is using uvcvideo
1820 [18:34:54] <ross`> I need it to use V4L2 right?
1821 [18:35:02] <karlpinc> ross`: So it un-hdmi's, then re-hdmi's to pass-through, right? What is the "capture" that happens on the usb port? What does the usb endpoint look like and how do you access the data? (Sorry to be less than helpful. I'm mostly curious and trying to understand the problem.)
1822 [18:35:19] <ross`> karlpinc: I think it outputs to /dev/video0
1823 [18:35:48] <ross`> I think it bi-channels. I don't think it re-hdmi's for pass-through, but I could be wrong.
1824 [18:36:43] <phazon> if it is uvc-compliant then check 'lsmod' to see if the uvcvideo module is loaded
1825 [18:37:38] <karlpinc> ross`: I'm going to have to RTFM. I don't even know what bi-channel is. (I always thought that the HDMI signal was encrypted, so you'd have to un-hdmi to get the data.)
1826 [18:37:48] <ross`> phazon: That's not a technical term
1827 [18:37:50] <ross`> I just came up with that
1828 [18:38:08] <ross`> I think it just does raw pass-through though
1829 [18:38:16] <phazon> ross`: uvc is a thing though
1830 [18:38:18] <ross`> I don't think it processes the hdmi signal at all
1831 [18:38:40] <ross`> replaced-url
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1837 [18:44:04] <ross`> While it registers the device, the preview tool does not work
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1848 [18:49:38] <phazon> i found 'guvcview' which is a bit newer and more polished than 'v4l2ucp'; seems to have builtin video capture which might help a bit with testing
1849 [18:50:35] <phazon> modules are loaded and software seems to be able to see and interact with the avermedia thing; is maybe just an effort to select the proper input/output some how
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1851 [18:50:45] <ross`> replaced-url
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1855 [18:53:15] <ross`> It registers in that tool as well, but the capture doesn't actually work
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1857 [18:54:26] <ross`> It says: Could not start a video stream in the device. You seem to have video devices installed. Do you want to try one? Then it has a drop down with the same name Live Gamer Ultra-Video listed twice, and I tried both of them.
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1865 [19:02:25] <santost12> how do I remove this line "Linux node2 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u2 (2019-05-13) x86_64" whenever I login with SSH? I was able to edit the motd but not the first line.
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1872 [19:04:02] <phazon> ross`: can you read straight from /dev/video0 ? could test with ffmpeg: 'ffplay -f video4linux2 -framerate 35 -video_size hd720 /dev/video0'
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1874 [19:04:31] <woenx> Hey. quick question. Is it possible to set different permissions for subfolders in a Samba share?
1875 [19:04:54] <woenx> ideally: is it possible to replicate the folder and file permissions of the server?
1876 [19:05:23] <woenx> In a mount, I want two subfolders to have 770 permissions, while others just 750
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1878 [19:06:32] <met> santost12, it's in /etc/update-motd.d/
1879 [19:06:41] <santost12> met: thanks
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1881 [19:08:39] <met> replaced-url
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1886 [19:12:22] <ross`> /dev/video0: Device or resource busy
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1888 [19:15:06] <phazon> close all the other stuff that is trying to read it. also: video0 is the only videoXX device?
1889 [19:15:18] <ross`> I restarted my computer thinking that
1890 [19:15:20] <ross`> [video4linux2,v4l2 @ 0x7f7c58000b80] ioctl(VIDIOC_STREAMON): No such file or directory
1891 [19:15:23] <ross`> /dev/video0: No such file or directory
1892 [19:15:24] <ross`> Now it says that
1893 [19:15:26] <ross`> but it does exist
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1897 [19:15:49] <ross`> video1 does not work at all
1898 [19:15:50] <ross`> [video4linux2,v4l2 @ 0x7f3fcc000b80] ioctl(VIDIOC_G_INPUT): Inappropriate ioctl for device
1899 [19:15:53] <ross`> /dev/video1: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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1901 [19:16:48] <ross`> guvcview shows a glitched preview window this time
1902 [19:16:51] <ross`> and thinks it's capturing
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1904 [19:16:55] <ross`> It wasn't doing that before
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1906 [19:17:04] <ShalokShalom2> can somebody explain me this?
1907 [19:17:06] <ShalokShalom2> replaced-url
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1910 [19:18:31] <phazon> ross`: one of the videoXX could be a webcam
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1912 [19:19:14] <ross`> I got it to capture video saying no signal hehe
1913 [19:19:25] <ross`> Oh wait, my camera was off this time ><
1914 [19:19:26] <ross`> It was on before
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1916 [19:20:26] <ross`> The preview shows the same thing of connecting and usb'
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1918 [19:20:54] <ross`> let me reboot again now that my camera ison
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1924 [19:26:33] <ross`> phazon: ffplay isn't crashing now. It's running
1925 [19:26:50] <ross`> It always says this though: nan : 0.000 fd= 0 aq= 0KB vq= 0KB sq= 0B f=0/0
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1928 [19:29:14] <ross`> I can run this command and it also doesn't crash: vlc v4l:// :v4l-vdev="/dev/video0"
1929 [19:29:17] <ross`> But it doesn't show anything eitehr
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1931 [19:31:51] <ross`> Yeah, All I am getting it to say is connect.. usb.
1932 [19:31:57] <ross`> I don't think this is a driver issue directly.
1933 [19:32:00] <phazon> i think video0 is the one most likely to be the webcam due to the bus it's on and how things initialize
1934 [19:32:10] <ross`> It's like linux isn't telling the camera to start or something
1935 [19:32:28] <ross`> I thikn my capture card is working
1936 [19:32:46] <ross`> I think that's what the connecting preview I got in guvcview and obs means
1937 [19:33:12] <phazon> guvcview previewed the card?
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1939 [19:33:27] <ross`> Only a connecting screen
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1941 [19:33:30] <ross`> not actual video
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1946 [19:35:53] <ross`> I am.. so stupid
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1948 [19:37:34] <bora> ross; Why ?
1949 [19:37:49] <ross`> It works, thanks.
1950 [19:37:52] <ross`> ><
1951 [19:38:00] <annadane> noooo! tell us what the answer was. >:(
1952 [19:38:01] <phazon> ross`: how did you make it work?
1953 [19:38:06] <bora> ok what happened
1954 [19:38:10] <ross`> I really appreciate your help / time with this. That was alot of effort you put in.
1955 [19:38:23] <ross`> So, I had the usb cable plugged in as well (which only works on windwos) for remote control
1956 [19:38:33] <ross`> And I just looked at the back of the camera, and it indeed showed connecting usb
1957 [19:38:37] <ross`> so it was capturing that correctly lol
1958 [19:38:46] <ross`> when I unplugged the usb control it started working fine
1959 [19:38:53] <ross`> I really should have checked the back of the camera during this process.
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1981 [19:56:24] <Caterpillar> What is the path of systemd unit files? I am helping a person but I use another distro
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1983 [19:57:36] <apollo13> the same as in $another distro
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1985 [19:59:47] <Caterpillar> apollo13: are you sure? replaced-url
1986 [20:00:08] <apollo13> yes
1987 [20:00:18] <apollo13> and even if not, locate and find are your friends
1988 [20:00:24] <apollo13> as well as the systemd docs :þ
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1993 [20:08:28] <phazon> Caterpillar: we don't offer support for linux mint here
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1995 [20:09:34] <phazon> even if it's "asking for a friend"
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2007 [20:15:10] <annadane> friends don't let friends use mint!
2008 [20:15:12] <annadane> :P
2009 [20:16:13] <jelly> coworker used it until a short while ago, it wasn't _that_ bad if you ignore the nonexistent security patches
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2017 [20:18:14] <jelly> Caterpillar: path for default, distro provided ones seems to be /lib/systemd/system, path for custom ones should be /etc/systemd/system; customizing an existing one is doen best using snippets in /etc/systemd/system/service-or-unit.name.d/
2018 [20:18:51] <jelly> Caterpillar: which debian release are you talking about and which service or unit?
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2020 [20:20:15] <McErroneous> Hi, is there a "xwmconfig"-equivalent (Slackware) in Debian ...
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2022 [20:20:34] <jelly> McErroneous: what does it do?
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2024 [20:21:20] <McErroneous> jelly: It lets you choose the default "Desktop Environment" to use...
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2026 [20:23:05] <McErroneous> want to set default "Desktop Environment" in Bash...
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2030 [20:23:35] <McErroneous> a command-line would be fine too
2031 [20:23:52] <jelly> McErroneous: when you have multiple DEs installed you can choose which "session" to start on the login screen. There's "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" but I'm not sure where, if anywhere, it gets used.
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2034 [20:24:46] <McErroneous> Debian is so hard to understand... , all this "update-alternatives" and "dpkg-reconfigure"...
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2037 [20:24:57] <McErroneous> i cant get used to it..
2038 [20:25:05] <McErroneous> its so complicated..
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2041 [20:25:32] <phazon> McErroneous: took me a while to get used to the complexity moving from slackware to debian as well
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2043 [20:25:56] <McErroneous> phazon: Why did you switch to debian ?
2044 [20:26:08] <phazon> not having to maintain what was basically a custom slackware distro all the time
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2046 [20:27:26] <McErroneous> I would be so happy to buy a Slackware-Documentation, but it hard to find..., Debian Documentation is easy to buy..., but well... , it tends to be partial...
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2048 [20:29:04] <McErroneous> I dislike the Multi-Disto Documentation..., i cant concentrate on the Distro i am trying to learn...
2049 [20:29:27] <McErroneous> and i am getting confused... all the time..
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2051 [20:32:14] <EdePopede> only the whole package system would fill a book
2052 [20:32:29] <McErroneous> Bought some Multi-Distro Documentation... , but i cant even take a look at it.., its so painful, opening a book and having to distinguish , which command is for which Distro..., thats BS...
2053 [20:32:51] <EdePopede> most of documentation is crap, no difference for what it is
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2056 [20:34:31] <EdePopede> btw, i started with a non-distro specific book, but that one took the n00b by the hand, had some manpagas in the appendix (not that bad if the alternative are the docs on a 80x25 screen) and was well-written. and also explaining why things are as they are
2057 [20:35:56] <McErroneous> Yes.., the commonly available documentation tends to be superficial..., even the expensive books . I needs to be a collection of books, that one could buy ..., but then after 2 years.., you have to learn something new, while never finishing the old stuff....
2058 [20:36:53] <EdePopede> expensive isn't a sign of quality. usually you pay the name of the author or the book company or the hardcover.
2059 [20:37:19] <McErroneous> that is all somewhat crapy, in Ubuntuusers.de forum one is not even allowed to talk about out-dated releases..., no such option....
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2061 [20:38:00] <EdePopede> i grabbed some of Schaum's Outlines during that time, also some math stuff. 30DM only, cheaper than the normal sized computer books i held in my hands.
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2063 [20:38:44] <EdePopede> ubuntu... those people who force you to make an account when you want to see the raw text on their pastebin?
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2067 [20:39:41] <McErroneous> Lol..., they like to use force...., update and upgrade , by force.., or no posting in the forums...
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2069 [20:40:12] <EdePopede> McErroneous: modules could fix that problem, but then you get problems with printing. unless you keep them small and do rolling releases for book sets.
2070 [20:40:14] <jelly> McErroneous: you might have to get experienced with more than one distro to start recognizing which parts are common and come from upstream, which are distro specific
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2075 [20:44:04] <EdePopede> jelly: true. but mixing up distro specific stuff (often contradictory) throughout the book is contraproductive. that should be part of the intro scenery where the big picture is shown. or expect users asking how to install yast on debian.
2076 [20:45:22] <McErroneous> jelly, i am sorry i am not that kind of a student, i need a distro-specific documentation and a forum to post on e.t. a community.., even if the release not on-par.. , with the rest of the world...
2077 [20:45:22] <EdePopede> what is a deb package? a specially designed ar archive. like rpm was a compressed cpio archive at least in the past.
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2080 [20:46:42] <apollo13> still is
2081 [20:47:30] <EdePopede> the problem with package managing on debian is that there are so many different tools. and they come from different times (gotta check out what i used in hamm). and often different options for similar tasks. can be REALLY confusing.
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2085 [20:48:16] <EdePopede> apollo13: thanks, good to here. i had the impression they use some proprietary stuff now (or redhat as RPM's mum, no idea)
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2087 [20:48:29] <EdePopede> McErroneous: you're wrong.
2088 [20:49:11] * McErroneous wants to cry..
2089 [20:49:12] <EdePopede> get the basic concepts. build up a minimal system to play. should be possible in a vm nowadays.
2090 [20:49:12] <apollo13> EdePopede: why would they, redhat is pretty good in opensourcing stuff, I don't know of any redhat offering that is closed source when it comes to rhel
2091 [20:50:08] <EdePopede> apollo13: not closed, but something they (don't remember if it was about suse or rpm, but about the packages) did on their own. like mozilla's own brand of lz4.
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2093 [20:51:05] <apollo13> EdePopede: it's not like debian isn't patching the shit out of packaging to the extend that it breaks stuff :þ
2094 [20:51:05] <EdePopede> McErroneous: from experience i can tell you that understanding gnuish stuff is easier than windows. wanna start yelling only if i think of their translations for things.
2095 [20:52:27] <EdePopede> apollo13: heh right. sometimes i like it, sometimes i don't get it why they would. but on this level (keeping simple files and working with unix'ish ideas) it is rather clean.
2096 [20:53:07] <EdePopede> like the alternatives or apache's (dis|en)able scripts.
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2098 [20:53:15] <apollo13> EdePopede: *shrug* I do not see much of a diff between debian or rhel in that regard. arch is doing a little bit better
2099 [20:53:22] <apollo13> as they ship vanilla stuff
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2101 [20:53:36] <apollo13> EdePopede: a2enable is a tool from hell
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2104 [20:54:25] <EdePopede> suse maybe has some yast module for the task ;)
2105 [20:54:51] <apollo13> hehe yeah. I guess what annoys me most about debian is that it starts services after installtion
2106 [20:55:02] <EdePopede> that's btw one of the things i don't get. why can you only install one of the apache erm... rt modules or what they call them?
2107 [20:55:18] <apollo13> mpm?
2108 [20:55:21] <EdePopede> yep
2109 [20:55:37] <EdePopede> the binaries are in the base package and the mpm package only switches.
2110 [20:55:42] <apollo13> I guess because technically you can only run one at the time…
2111 [20:55:54] <EdePopede> in two different instances?
2112 [20:55:55] <apollo13> that is as long as you don't start multiple apache instances
2113 [20:55:57] <apollo13> nono
2114 [20:56:08] <apollo13> but multiple instance and debian … XD
2115 [20:56:25] <apollo13> to be fair multi instances are a problem for most distros
2116 [20:56:31] <apollo13> although it is easier with systemd
2117 [20:56:34] <EdePopede> that's the point, when i played with apache i wanted to look for the other ones too
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2119 [20:58:32] <EdePopede> apollo13: i used my own config then and built it up from scratch. anyway the method i prefer.
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2121 [20:59:18] <EdePopede> and i've learnt recently that metas can be a PITA. install a desktop and try to get rid of one of the packages.
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2124 [20:59:47] <apollo13> I don't see the problem, it removes the meta but that is to be expected…
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2127 [21:00:43] <EdePopede> and systemd... have only webfs atm and couldn't get it restarted. systemd thinks there's something running on the port or whatever. started it it then manually with a handcrafted config.
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2129 [21:01:29] <EdePopede> apollo13: the meta. and everything in it including dependencies. a user wanted to uninstall orage recently. simulated it, even xorg joined the list.
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2132 [21:01:58] <apollo13> EdePopede: only if those got auto-installed as dependency in the first place
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2134 [21:02:23] <apollo13> and there is usually a minimal meta that will make sure that not much gets lost (if at all)
2135 [21:03:19] <EdePopede> apt-get -s remove orage → replaced-url
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2137 [21:04:03] <EdePopede> minimal meta. found a post then which showed 3 solutions to the problem, one being installing another meta.
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2140 [21:04:33] <apollo13> I am not sure what you are complaining about
2141 [21:04:39] <apollo13> that is how dependencies are expected to work
2142 [21:04:42] <EdePopede> and there are *a lot* of metas, but then there also are 40+k packages
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2145 [21:05:07] <apollo13> packages marked as auto installed can get removed if you remove the dependent packages
2146 [21:05:12] <EdePopede> so if i uninstall a clock my whole X disappears?
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2148 [21:05:41] <apollo13> if the meta depends on the clock and X only got in as dependency of the meta, then yes
2149 [21:06:08] <EdePopede> seems to be the xfce package
2150 [21:06:31] <OerHeks> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 73 not upgraded. .. awesome, but you finally get rid of xfce4 and orage
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2152 [21:06:42] <EdePopede> A depends on B. i should be able to uninstall A and keep B.
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2154 [21:07:03] <apollo13> EdePopede: you do
2155 [21:07:06] <EdePopede> OerHeks: gotta like that lil -s switch xD
2156 [21:07:19] <apollo13> as long as B was not auto installed and as such is just a light dependncy
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2158 [21:07:35] <McErroneous> On ebay.de i came across a documentation for CentOS, but unfortunatley it was written in japanese..., and i am not able to read japanese...
2159 [21:07:52] <apollo13> EdePopede: also your assumption is wrong, it only removes "orage task-xfce-desktop xfce4"
2160 [21:07:55] <apollo13> not xserver etc…
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2162 [21:08:10] <apollo13> the rest will only be removed if you manually run autoremove
2163 [21:08:12] <EdePopede> last line of the list: xfdesktop4-data xfwm4 xinit xorg xsane xsane-common
2164 [21:08:29] <apollo13> read the lines below that too
2165 [21:08:34] <EdePopede> oh
2166 [21:08:35] <apollo13> "Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them."
2167 [21:08:42] <apollo13> those will _not_ be removed
2168 [21:08:44] <EdePopede> > The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
2169 [21:08:46] <apollo13> only orage task-xfce-desktop xfce4
2170 [21:08:47] <EdePopede> bad text
2171 [21:08:51] <apollo13> no it is not
2172 [21:08:55] <EdePopede> sounds like "away with it"
2173 [21:08:58] <apollo13> no
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2175 [21:09:25] <apollo13> well maybe, but joke is on you if you do not read the whole text
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2177 [21:09:46] <EdePopede> if those packages don't get touched, they shouldn't appear on the list. or it should say "but will not be removed unless..." or similar
2178 [21:09:55] <apollo13> EdePopede: it does
2179 [21:10:01] <apollo13> "Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them."
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2181 [21:10:02] <EdePopede> well, it is a text desert
2182 [21:10:07] <apollo13> which implies they will not be removed
2183 [21:10:11] <apollo13> lol
2184 [21:10:22] <EdePopede> no formatting, and just 2 characters for indent
2185 [21:10:22] <humpled> people have the strangest problems
2186 [21:10:32] <apollo13> complain what you want, but for instance if you install task-desktop xorg will no longer be in that list
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2188 [21:10:58] <apollo13> EdePopede: now you are looking for an excuse as an excuse that you are not reading the text
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2190 [21:11:20] <EdePopede> assume what you want
2191 [21:11:37] <EdePopede> if it is clear TO YOU, doesn't mean that it is clear for EVERYONE, right?
2192 [21:11:55] <EdePopede> you could try to leave your bubble at least for a moment
2193 [21:11:58] <apollo13> I agree with you there, but to quote you from before: <EdePopede> get the basic concepts. build up a minimal system to play. should be possible in a vm nowadays.
2194 [21:12:03] <humpled> you would get more formatting in aptitude or synaptic if that helps
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2198 [21:13:27] <EdePopede> used aptitude in the past, but the only thing where it is really helpful is to have multiple infos open. but then the one i wanted to used most was crashing it. so i stopped using it.
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2202 [21:14:28] <EdePopede> and synaptic gave me some problems with the database. don't ask, happened some years ago. but i had to reinstall manually some packages, all i remember.
2203 [21:15:01] <apollo13> lol
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2205 [21:16:30] <EdePopede> if that's all you can you'd better stay off support channels. there are better ways to make you feel better than trolling other users.
2206 [21:17:02] <apollo13> someone is in a bad mood ;)
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2209 [21:18:50] <EdePopede> someone knowing about people feeling superior and behaving according to how they see themselves.
2210 [21:20:51] <humpled> so if orage was pinned to -1, then the desktop task could be reinstalled before anything gets accidentally removed
2211 [21:20:59] <humpled> would that be the apt way?
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2244 [21:40:55] <mason> Apologies for this being in the nature of a poll, but I need to set up a direct equivalent to FreeBSD jails, and while I know I can pull in the LXD snap, I'm wondering if there are other good system container things I should look at... Vanilla Debian base, so not Proxmox or OpenVZ, unless OpenVZ has gotten to where it'll be okay on a vanilla Debian kernel.
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2254 [21:47:56] <jmcnaught> mason: have you tried systemd-nspawn and machinectl? They're in the systemd-container package.
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2256 [21:48:51] <mason> jmcnaught: I haven't. I'll add it to my list to explore.
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2259 [21:49:30] <mason> Thank you.
2260 [21:50:34] <jmcnaught> mason: it integrates nicely with journalctl and systemctl which both have -M options to specify a container
2261 [21:51:20] <mason> Integrating nicely with journalctl might not count as a feature. :P But being able to reach in to start services with systemctl might.
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2272 [21:57:37] <humpled> alternative solution to the orage question: replaced-url
2273 [21:58:09] <humpled> “I do this for Xfce, only using the graphical (curses) interface. I like to see what my changes will be and confirm, which is not possible with the command line you gave. It’s nearly as fast, since I can mark xfce4 for removal with one keystroke and then select all dependencies for install (which effectively means they will be marked as manually installed) with another keystroke.”
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2349 [23:03:58] <GenTooMan> question I want to reinstall debian but the most complicated issue is installing the USB network device driver it registers as a asix device suggestions?
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2362 [23:14:21] <SZO> GenTooMan: When you install debian your wifi usb card is not detected propperly?
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2364 [23:14:34] <SZO> In the installation process?
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2366 [23:15:57] <rant> !firware installer
2367 [23:16:22] <abrotman> dpkg: firmware installer
2368 [23:16:23] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
2369 [23:17:01] <rant> !firmware images
2370 [23:17:01] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2371 [23:17:55] <GenTooMan> SZO no it's an "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05ac:1402 Apple, Inc. Ethernet Adapter [A1277]" so it's not WIFI. It's wired however the MB internal ethernet adaptor is not functional so I use that instead. I have debian installed just need to be sure I can get the USB adaptor functioning before I start the install.
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2374 [23:18:32] <GenTooMan> SZO reinstall to be precise.
2375 [23:19:40] <rant> GenTooMan: install virtualbox from backports, download the firmware image, boot it in virualbox with the adapter connected to virtualbox..
2376 [23:19:49] <rant> then you know if it works
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2388 [23:24:24] <GenTooMan> rant The debian installation is broken at the moment due to a stalled update. The kind that is hard to fix without reinstalling everything.
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2391 [23:25:31] <SZO> I just need to clear this up
2392 [23:25:43] <SZO> You are using an apple USB ethernet adapter?
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2399 [23:30:35] <rant> GenTooMan: does the adapter work now?
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2407 [23:33:59] <rant> GenTooMan: (uname -r;modinfo asix;dmesg|grep -i firmware)|nc termbin.com 9999
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2409 [23:34:04] <rant> GenTooMan: run that as root
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2414 [23:38:13] <rant> bottom line is, if you have it working now, and you are using a kernel version that is available in an installer and the firmware (if any) is present it'll work
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2432 [23:49:32] <mason> jmcnaught: I don't see any docco for machinectl and friends on the wiki. Is there a relevant set of docs you like?
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2434 [23:50:12] <SZO> Hmmm, I am having issues with adb provided from the deb repos
2435 [23:50:37] <SZO> I also tried android-tools-adb and was unnsuccesful
2436 [23:51:12] <SZO> I downloaded the android-sdk and used adb from there and it worked properly
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2452 [23:56:05] <GenTooMan> rant yes at the moment it does, result of said command yields nothing.
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2455 [23:56:50] <GenTooMan> rant I believe I just had to give the correct info to use eth1 (vs eth0)
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