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6 [00:05:32] <ksk> nah, Im totally a text emoji guy, but cant just get that one ;)
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53 [00:47:11] <jhutchins> annadane: Soon there will be no text, only emojis.
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56 [00:47:54] <annadane> >:(
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58 [00:48:24] <jhutchins> ... and Chinese pictograms.
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67 [00:52:59] <McErroneous> :-))
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89 [01:22:11] <metbsd> my debian xfce4 has no sound
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91 [01:22:54] <annadane> did it have sound before?
92 [01:23:07] <metbsd> no
93 [01:23:19] <metbsd> it's been using as console only
94 [01:23:25] <metbsd> but i recently add xfc34 to it
95 [01:23:49] <annadane> basically i guess if you want to use pulseaudio, install that and pavucontrol and make sure channels aren't muted in pavucontrol, turn the volume up, etc
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97 [01:24:39] <metbsd> it's already installed
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99 [01:26:25] <metbsd> i don't see the sound icon
100 [01:27:01] <annadane> open the pavucontrol application?
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120 [01:39:26] <annadane> (even though i think pulseaudio is a broken pile of garbage in Stretch, hopefully Buster fixes it)
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128 [01:44:03] <metbsd> yes it's working well
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130 [01:44:15] <metbsd> whatelse can we use instead of pulseaudio
131 [01:44:38] <metbsd> this debian works very well with my old laptop
132 [01:44:45] <annadane> there's alsa but i don't think alsa allows you to change output sources for specific applications... i'm not too familiar with sound
133 [01:45:00] <metbsd> i wonder what's ubuntu better than debian
134 [01:46:46] <starsaboveus> me personally, I would stick with debian. this is coming from someone who started off using *buntu and mint. :P
135 [01:46:51] <Chex> I just spent 2 weeks trying to get stretch and buster installed on my Ryzen5 2400G, gave up, and put Ubu 19.04 on it, worked perfectly.
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137 [01:47:11] <Chex> the funky 'G' GPU on the CPU thru debian display drivers for a loop.
138 [01:47:14] <metbsd> maybe debian is old hardware friendly
139 [01:47:23] <starsaboveus> although I understand switching to ubuntu for hardware compatibility. that was the biggest hurdle for me before switching.
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141 [01:47:51] <Chex> s/thru/threw/
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145 [01:49:31] <Tenkawa> was anyone around for the OSS audio days?
146 [01:49:42] <Tenkawa> now that was rough
147 [01:50:09] <starsaboveus> lol, I remember reading a couple of old linux guides for installing unreal tournament w/ oss-compatibility
148 [01:50:18] <starsaboveus> seems like it was a pretty dark age for gnu/linux
149 [01:50:58] <Tenkawa> it was scattered... thats for sure
150 [01:51:17] <Tenkawa> I dont miss it
151 [01:51:45] <Tenkawa> I'm not a huge fan of pulse either though
152 [01:52:09] <Tenkawa> alsa was great for me
153 [01:52:20] <starsaboveus> I think pulseaudio has definitely gotten better in recent years, although I heard it's hell for audio production envs
154 [01:52:24] <Tenkawa> the way it was going
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156 [01:52:56] <Tenkawa> starsaboveus: bummer
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159 [01:53:49] <starsaboveus> I'm kind of a newbie when it comes to gnu/linux, tbh. my first distro was ubuntu 14.04 and I was just happy to be away from windows 10, haha
160 [01:54:34] <Tenkawa> i'd really like to see better tools like cakewalk, sonar, etc in linux... but thats going to take some major api standardization
161 [01:55:09] * Tenkawa has been using linux since 93 and unix a bit longer
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164 [01:57:54] <starsaboveus> lol, that's awesome! I've looked at a few old linux distros and they made me feel oddly nostalgic. feel like I probably saw old versions of ubuntu (8.04, etc) in public places? so hard to remember since I was 10 then, lol
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167 [01:58:30] <starsaboveus> yeah, I would love to see something like FL studio come to linux someday..but like you said, we need more standards and less divergence
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169 [01:59:32] <Tenkawa> Slackware always brings back memories when I see it
170 [01:59:47] <Tenkawa> my first distrib
171 [01:59:47] <starsaboveus> I remember ubuntu 14.04 running on computers at the community college in my hometown, but you could only tell when the slideshow wasn't on :P
172 [02:00:13] <Tenkawa> first "official"
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175 [02:01:15] <jadax> starsaboveus x86 is good standard to begin with
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179 [02:01:29] <Tenkawa> agreedd
180 [02:01:36] <starsaboveus> definitely!
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182 [02:01:55] <jadax> haven't tried, but can you run FL studio over wine?
183 [02:02:10] <starsaboveus> I have an old 32-bit PC that was running xubuntu, but I'd probably put debian on it since debian still supports the architecture
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185 [02:02:44] <starsaboveus> never tested it, but it's something that's kept some of my friends from switching over to linux...strange how that works
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187 [02:03:29] <jadax> there's bunch of apps that work only on Windows or Win + Mac
188 [02:03:38] <jadax> and there's no good alternatives for Linux
189 [02:03:41] <jadax> even now, 2019
190 [02:03:42] <jadax> that sucks
191 [02:03:45] <jadax> but that's life
192 [02:03:51] <starsaboveus> most of the apps I was using were already on linux (GIMP, LibreOffice)
193 [02:03:52] <jadax> I'm on the same boat
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195 [02:04:04] <Chex> jadax: thats what VMs are for
196 [02:04:23] <jadax> yeah, but using VMs have their own limitations
197 [02:04:40] <jadax> like if I wanted to use video rendering software (e.g. Sony Vegas) on VM
198 [02:04:43] <jadax> that would be a nightmare
199 [02:04:44] <starsaboveus> I've also always been a fan of Firefox, so having it installed by default was def a plus
200 [02:05:01] <jadax> then setting up access to resources (how do I transfer files back and forth) etc. etc.
201 [02:05:04] <jadax> it makes it cumbersome
202 [02:05:07] <starsaboveus> oh god, definitely! the only viable alternative seems to be KDenlive
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204 [02:05:38] <starsaboveus> I've never used anything other than Kdenlive and WMM, so the former was definitely a nice step up from WMM
205 [02:05:58] <jadax> starsaboveus does kdenlive support external plugins? I used to love twixtor (slow mo plugin) for Sony Vegas
206 [02:06:41] <starsaboveus> replaced-url
207 [02:06:59] <starsaboveus> does this help? it seems to be a native feature
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209 [02:08:04] <jadax> yes but
210 [02:08:05] <jadax> replaced-url
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212 [02:08:16] <jadax> twixtor is different beast altogether
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216 [02:12:04] <starsaboveus> did some searching and found this: replaced-url
217 [02:12:20] <starsaboveus> personally, I've never tried it before, but it seems like it could help achieve a similar effect
218 [02:13:07] <jadax> that does look promising
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220 [02:13:44] <jadax> the challenge is, there's so much software out there (apps, plugins, etc.) that are available for Mac/Win and are of good quality
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222 [02:13:53] <jadax> there's online tutorials, integrations, workflows etc.
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224 [02:14:03] <starsaboveus> yes, 100% agree
225 [02:14:08] <jadax> then trying to find alternative on Linux is challenging
226 [02:14:24] <starsaboveus> I started using GIMP bc I couldn't afford Photoshop, but there was already a great deal of tutorials out there
227 [02:14:32] <starsaboveus> same for Inkscape, LibreOffice, etc
228 [02:14:37] <jadax> GIMP is good, I use GIMP a lot
229 [02:14:48] <starsaboveus> but that's only a small fraction of software available for Win/macOS
230 [02:14:53] <jadax> right
231 [02:15:02] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
232 [02:15:02] <metbsd> photoshop is better though
233 [02:15:08] <metbsd> with alot of filter
234 [02:15:17] <metbsd> plugin
235 [02:15:31] <jadax> yea, photoshop is real deal
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238 [02:15:49] <jadax> not sure if using photoshop over VM would be nice experience
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241 [02:17:19] <starsaboveus> probably not, unless you're able to do something like GPU passthrough, lol
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244 [02:18:37] <starsaboveus> replaced-url
245 [02:19:14] <starsaboveus> the steps the uploader provided sound like a real headache, heh. I'd prefer dual-booting over that..
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247 [02:21:06] <fury> I'm trying to practice setting up / tearing down a Kubernetes cluster on my Debian servers, and there's a reset command that sends a `service networking restart`. This exits in the middle and leaves eno1 dead because the command was sent over SSH and the connection died in the middle...can I somehow fix the service command to never die in the middle if sent over SSH, or do I need to figure out how to change the ansible playbook
248 [02:21:06] <fury> to wrap the command in a `nohup` or something like that?
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252 [02:23:13] <jmcnaught> why is it restarting networking? restarting networking that way has been deprecated for a while now.
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255 [02:24:28] <agio> jmcnaught: I think its an ansible "module" which calls systemctl behind the scenes?
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259 [02:26:23] <agio> fury: maybe you can't use ansible for that? because you're killing the connection to the server right?
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262 [02:27:18] <jmcnaught> unless you can bring down the network interfaces that need to be brought down without bringing down the one your ssh connection is over
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265 [02:28:06] <fury> I'm actually not entirely sure why the project has "restart networking" as a part of the reset playbook - maybe it has to do with undoing modifications it makes to it for the Kubernetes networking
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267 [02:28:58] <fury> I've kind of worked around it by not letting it restart the network, but maybe I need to investigate further and be sure that I don't need it to restart networking
268 [02:29:36] <fury> if I go to the physical machine and `sudo ifup eno1` things resume as normal, but I would've expected the restart command to do that itself
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272 [02:30:08] <jmcnaught> does ansible have an ifupdown module?
273 [02:30:35] <fury> replaced-url
274 [02:30:39] <themill> networking isn't a daemon that you restart; there is a better way to do whatever that is trying to achieve
275 [02:30:43] <fury> not sure if you can tell what module it's using from that
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281 [02:33:04] <jmcnaught> fury: it's using the service module which just calls the service command on the target. That task is conditional on a variable 'reset_restart_network' so you could try putting it to false to prevent that command from running
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284 [02:33:51] <agio> themill: you're right its not a daemon, but I think it is a systemd "oneshot" that calls /sbin/ifup
285 [02:33:54] <fury> yeah, that's what I did to skip it for now. Just curious to know if/how it's going to bite me if I don't restart networking. I don't know enough about ansible yet to really be sure
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288 [02:34:44] <fury> the goal is, starting from a bare Debian server, go from zero to Kubernetes & GitLab with one or two commands
289 [02:34:52] <jmcnaught> fury: you'd probably need to ask the people that made this ansible playbook or role, or maybe ask on a kubernetes channel about why reconfiguring the network interfaces is necessary
290 [02:35:12] <fury> so if I need to reset it it's not as though I really need to reset networking, I just need it to delete the Kubernetes stuff so I can try again
291 [02:35:57] <jmcnaught> fury: is it also modifying /etc/network/interfaces?
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294 [02:36:38] <fury> yeah there is some flannel stuff that goes on (Kubernetes internal networking)
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297 [02:38:00] <fury> I think it sets up a virtual network for the pods to communicate through without caring about the actual physical topology of the network
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301 [02:39:29] <Toba> I have an existing jessie machine that was not installed as LTS when it was originally set up.
302 [02:40:12] <Toba> I have updated my sources.list with just 'jessie main' from archive.debian.org, but it isn't getting any updates
303 [02:40:16] <Toba> Is there some kind of trick to this?
304 [02:40:48] <Toba> oh I guess I should join #debian-lts
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313 [02:46:10] <fury> seems like it hasn't modified /etc/network/interfaces or .d/ at all, though. am I correct in assuming then that it shouldn't need to restart the network if I intend to reset/erase the cluster?
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317 [02:47:43] <jmcnaught> fury: sounds like it doesn't need to bring down/up the network interface, and it definitely shouldn't be attempting this by restarting the networking service
318 [02:48:38] <fury> This was all I could find... replaced-url
319 [02:48:58] <fury> "dhclient hook for resolvconf"
320 [02:49:09] <fury> does networking have to restart for that kind of thing to be applied?
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323 [02:49:33] <jmcnaught> no, networking shouldn't be restarted ever
324 [02:49:53] <Toba> found the solution to my problem - replaced-url
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326 [02:50:25] <fury> sounds good to me :) I'll leave that variable set to false in my defaults, and probably suggest it always be set to false...
327 [02:50:28] <fury> thanks!
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329 [02:50:55] <maxcell_> my debian apt update is going crazy
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331 [02:51:30] <maxcell_> whe i try to update it's giving me a lot of fails and errors
332 [02:51:40] <ksk> !paste
333 [02:51:41] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
334 [02:51:57] <ksk> maxcell_: please paste the command you are using, and the output at the pastebin
335 [02:52:30] <maxcell_> syre
336 [02:52:32] <maxcell_> be right back
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347 [03:02:21] <jmcnaught> fury: ifupdown on systemd also has an ifup@.service that it starts for each interface brought up (for example 'systemctl status ifup@eno1'). Restarting that instantiated service on a per interface basis using ansible's systemd or service module would probably be preferable to using one of its shell command modules if you do end up needing to reconfigure interfaces for some reason
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367 [03:15:10] <maxcell_> hey i fixed
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370 [03:15:43] <maxcell_> it was a mistake that i made creating qemu disk on / and ending out of space
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465 [03:56:29] <skyline> I figure that since ParrotSec is a Beta form of Debian, that i might get a few answers here. I hope you guys don't mind.
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485 [04:09:36] <skyline> Okay, on the flip side of you problem, instead of making a case against ParrotSec i think ill make sure i am doing everything i can tn oder to get done what is need.
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488 [04:10:28] <skyline> Does anybody know how to use a public key to check the integrity of an .iso file>
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491 [04:11:26] <dvs> skyline, you don't need a key to check the integrity of an .iso file
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497 [04:12:46] <wr> have some software that would like that it won't autostart when boot and login like telegram, how could i disable this?
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507 [04:14:50] <skyline> Hum, What all do i need to check the integrity of an .iso image?
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510 [04:15:34] <jmcnaught> wr: how did you install telegram? which DE are you using? I would look for a .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart
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514 [04:16:10] <dvs> skyline, there should be a checksum file in the same directory where the .iso was
515 [04:16:32] <wr> jmcnaught, tar gz
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518 [04:17:09] <jmcnaught> wr: did you need to run some kind of script? did you run it as root, or unprivileged user?
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526 [04:19:13] <wr> jmcnaught, has exe file unpriv, but i have more stuff that autostarts like skype
527 [04:19:23] <skyline> there was, but anybody could have compremised this file. Don't get me wrong, the checksums were right on the money but what is verifing those hashes? I thought that was why .sig/.asc files were supposed to be there as well. That and a signed key for a thorough security measer
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532 [04:21:16] <skyline> dvs, why would they provide a public asymetric key or a public key in this file. Here is the file in question. replaced-url
533 [04:23:10] <wr> jmcnaught, i disabled on here the skype replaced-url
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537 [04:24:16] <jmcnaught> wr: could also look in ~/.config/autostart
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540 [04:25:16] <wr> jmcnaught, have nothing there
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542 [04:26:34] <skyline> Does anybody know anything about public keys and the verification of files?
543 [04:27:10] <wr> jmcnaught, basically stop the program at startup
544 [04:27:10] <skyline> or Asymetric keys in general?
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547 [04:30:19] <wr> jmcnaught, don't know exactly if it has to do with the xfce sessions saved
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549 [04:30:53] <maxcell_> i've removed nvidia-prop driver from the system with apt-get, now, how can i put nouveau back in?
550 [04:32:18] <maxcell_> i was looking for modproble.d/blacklist but there is none
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552 [04:33:06] <skyline> @maxcell JC but why did you want to remove it?
553 [04:33:53] <skyline> are you replacing the it or just wanted to reinstall it?
554 [04:34:11] <skyline> sorry dark mode is kicking my butt
555 [04:34:22] <wr> jmcnaught, /usr/share/applications/ has desktop files, is it that?
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557 [04:34:41] <maxcell_> skyline: i'm trying to run android-x86 on QEMU virtio
558 [04:35:01] <maxcell_> skyline: wasn't working! maybe because virtio doesn't work with nvidia-proprietary driver?
559 [04:35:13] <maxcell_> so i'm trying to remove it, and use nouveau instead
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562 [04:36:11] <skyline> Sorry man, thats beyond me. I haven't dealt with Android in that fashion. Not yet any way, lol.
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564 [04:36:29] <m4ch1n3znc> maxcell_, for what purpose?
565 [04:37:04] <maxcell_> i just wanna to emulate it trought qemu and run a game i do, currently, on windows
566 [04:37:13] <m4ch1n3znc> maybe try
567 [04:37:15] <m4ch1n3znc> apt-cache show anbox
568 [04:37:22] <jmcnaught> wr: that directory is where Debian packages put .desktop files that are used to build menus in many of the different desktop environments, but files in that directory will not cause autostart
569 [04:38:08] <maxcell_> anbox doesn't work with nvidia-prop drivers too, i will maybe try anbox again. last time i got install anbox throught Snap to get it to work
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571 [04:39:06] <skyline> Does anybody know how i can check the integrity of an .iso file without the .sig/.asc files? Or in other words how to use the public key that signed the the check sums are signed by?
572 [04:39:19] <maxcell_> qemu is using KVM with virtio as well, i gess it will run the game very nicely, am i right? m4ch1n3znc
573 [04:39:39] <wr> jmcnaught, what does it?
574 [04:39:53] <m4ch1n3znc> no idea, but gpu accceleration in vms is always poor
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576 [04:40:05] <m4ch1n3znc> The Android inside the container has no direct access to any hardware. All
577 [04:40:05] <m4ch1n3znc> hardware access is going through the anbox daemon on the host. It reuses
578 [04:40:05] <m4ch1n3znc> what Android implemented within the QEMU-based emulator for OpenGL ES
579 [04:40:05] <m4ch1n3znc> accelerated rendering. The Android system inside the container uses
580 [04:40:06] <m4ch1n3znc> different pipes to communicate with the host system and sends all hardware
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583 [04:40:22] <m4ch1n3znc> sorry
584 [04:40:33] <jmcnaught> wr: sorry got a little busy, if you're still trying to figure it out later I'll try to help more
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586 [04:40:41] <m4ch1n3znc> damn didnt realize there are newlines
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588 [04:40:58] <maxcell_> m4ch1n3znc: ok, either way, anbox also doesn't work with nvidia proprietary drivers
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590 [04:41:09] <maxcell_> so, to try all modes i will need to remove nvidia anyway
591 [04:41:37] <maxcell_> so, i already uninstall nvidia prop. drivers, all i need to do is reboot or i need to re-configure nouveau first?
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593 [04:42:19] <skyline> @debhelper, What does "flood" mean?
594 [04:42:41] <maxcell_> skyline: its when you paste a lot of content for example
595 [04:42:49] <maxcell_> all at once on the channel
596 [04:42:57] <m4ch1n3znc> maxcell_, playing 3d accelerated games in vm is an stupid idea tbh
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599 [04:43:09] <skyline> or @ m4ch1n3znc, what does "flood" mean?
600 [04:43:13] <m4ch1n3znc> i bet it wont make fun at all
601 [04:43:16] <maxcell_> m4ch1n3znc: it's the only way bro
602 [04:43:22] <maxcell_> it's an android game
603 [04:43:32] <m4ch1n3znc> that i spammed lot lines in short time in channel
604 [04:43:33] <maxcell_> i already do it. not that bad
605 [04:43:52] <dvs> skyline, the keys in the file are to ensure the integrity of the checksum file itself
606 [04:43:59] <skyline> @m4ch1n3znc, ohh, thanks
607 [04:44:03] <dvs> not the iso
608 [04:44:03] <m4ch1n3znc> it doesnt matter if its an android game or not the point is you want do 3d rendering inside vm
609 [04:44:07] <maxcell_> well thanks for the help
610 [04:44:13] <maxcell_> i'm going reboot and see what happens
611 [04:44:34] <m4ch1n3znc> performance will be straight shit for sure
612 [04:44:37] <maxcell_> m4ch1n3znc: thats why virtio was made and anbox as well
613 [04:45:00] <maxcell_> do a research about it
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616 [04:45:10] <maxcell_> on google
617 [04:45:35] <maxcell_> it's the only reason they come up with this "fix"
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619 [04:46:09] <maxcell_> software rendering on a VM is very bad... with hardware accel it get's way better
620 [04:46:24] <skyline> @dvs, oh, so should i use kleopatra to verify the PGP key on the hashes file?
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622 [04:47:02] <dvs> skyline, I've never used kleopatra
623 [04:47:28] <m4ch1n3znc> why not simply use "gpg --verify" ?
624 [04:47:35] <skyline> dvs, did you go through the CLI or use a GUI APP
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626 [04:48:01] <dvs> skyline, I just check the checksums, I don't verify the signatures.
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628 [04:49:13] <m4ch1n3znc> gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign
629 [04:49:22] <skyline> dvs, This is my stand Point, i want to make absolute sure i am not running a comprimised system
630 [04:50:17] <m4ch1n3znc> gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUM
631 [04:50:19] <skyline> dvs, Espeacaly a ParrotSec OS
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633 [04:50:34] <m4ch1n3znc> oh its not debian iso
634 [04:50:47] <m4ch1n3znc> then duno
635 [04:51:20] <m4ch1n3znc> you should ask in their channel or so
636 [04:51:55] <skyline> m4ch1n3znc, this will not work because there are no .sig/.asc files to check against
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638 [04:52:26] <skyline> There is just the checksums and a GnuPG/PGP key.
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640 [04:52:38] <m4ch1n3znc> so you want verify gpg signature of an file without signature file?
641 [04:52:46] <skyline> The only sig is the key
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644 [04:53:18] <m4ch1n3znc> a key is used to sign a file, signature is used to verify
645 [04:53:31] <m4ch1n3znc> key != signature
646 [04:53:52] <m4ch1n3znc> what you say doesnt make any sense to me
647 [04:53:56] <skyline> They call it a PGP SIGNING
648 [04:54:11] <m4ch1n3znc> ahh
649 [04:54:13] <m4ch1n3znc> :D
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651 [04:54:31] <skyline> m4ch1n3znc, HERE:replaced-url
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653 [04:55:18] <skyline> So my next Q is where are the .sig/.asc files?
654 [04:55:24] <m4ch1n3znc> thats a signed text file
655 [04:55:37] <m4ch1n3znc> --verify it
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658 [04:55:55] <skyline> Is ParrotSec not able to be implemented at this time? if so why don't they just tell us.
659 [04:55:56] <m4ch1n3znc> first gpg --import keyfile
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662 [04:56:51] <skyline> m4ch1n3znc, would i need to change the extention or leave it as a .txt file
663 [04:56:51] <m4ch1n3znc> you need their public pgp key ofcourse to verify the signatur of that file
664 [04:57:13] <m4ch1n3znc> no you dont need change anything
665 [04:57:29] <m4ch1n3znc> maybe read some pgp documentation
666 [04:58:01] <m4ch1n3znc> else you would anyway only copypaste without knowing what you are doing, how would that verify anything?
667 [04:58:11] <skyline> Those i do have, but since im just learning about the emplementaions of public/private keys it has been teadious. So i've turned to here. :)
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671 [04:59:55] <annadane> this is going way, way back and nobody cares but just concerning the earlier conversation about ALSA, far as i know you can't switch sound sources
672 [05:00:01] <annadane> pulse or other technologies are needed
673 [05:00:07] <annadane> which is kind of a deal breaker
674 [05:00:40] <skyline> m4ch1n3znc, dvs, thanks for the help, I'm going to go read a bunch, See you guys on the flip side! :)
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677 [05:01:01] <freq> annadane: the one thing that most people leave out about their complaints about pulse is the fact that pulse was a needed upgrade from alsa.
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679 [05:01:19] <freq> alsa can't do nearly as many things as pulse
680 [05:01:30] <annadane> unfortunately pulseaudio in stretch is a bit broken and i've been looking for a workaround but been kind of lazy
681 [05:01:34] <annadane> and in any case buster's almost here
682 [05:01:35] <freq> that being said, alsa can be improved (and no one is doing it)
683 [05:02:10] <annadane> not certain how the BSDs do this, i think they have OSS or whatever it's called
684 [05:02:23] <mishehu> quick question re: custom packaging: if I have a systemd unit file in etc/systemd/system/ in my package tree, and I build the package, it fails complaining that the file doesn't exist at the time of postinst getting run. am I not allowed to have the unit file dropped directly into this path?
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687 [05:03:16] <freq> mishehu: the service must be halted and restarted
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689 [05:03:50] <agio> mishehu: have you tagged the file as a config file?
690 [05:04:14] <mishehu> freq: prior to installation, there was no service for it at all.
691 [05:04:20] <mishehu> agio: is that in the rules file?
692 [05:04:46] <themill> mishehu: you should be using the dh_systemd* helpers
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694 [05:08:31] <agio> mishehu: you label them as config files by putting a file: "conffiles" in your "debian" directory and naminng the files inside
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698 [05:08:55] <mishehu> agio: I'll give it a shot
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702 [05:09:48] <agio> Im not sayinig thatt will fix your problem, I just know apt/dpkg treat config files differently
703 [05:09:56] * annadane really wishes you could tell virtualenv's to use a separate config file if you have the same program installed from stable or backports
704 [05:10:11] * annadane fuck dot files
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706 [05:10:57] * annadane also wishes they would just reside within their own directories and not the top level of $HOME
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709 [05:11:32] <themill> conffiles are irrelevant here; everything in /etc is automatically a conffile unless you tell debhelper otherwise
710 [05:11:40] <agio> oh, ok
711 [05:12:05] * annadane gives up on technology, and moves back into the caves
712 [05:12:54] <agio> does anyone know where the PHP processes installed via "php-fpm" package send their error logs to?
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719 [05:15:29] <themill> agio: that's configured in /etc/php/*/fpm/pool.d/replaced-url
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721 [05:16:13] <jmcnaught> wr: is telegram still running when you close your xfce session, and therefore xfce is restoring telegram along with the rest of the session?
722 [05:16:32] <agio> themill: are you sure? do you know if there is any docs on that?
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724 [05:17:17] <wr> jmcnaught, when i reboot i will see it
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726 [05:17:44] <jmcnaught> wr: have you tried exiting telegram (and make sure it's not running) then log out, log back in?
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730 [05:19:14] <wr> jmcnaught, it's not running, will test bit later log
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732 [05:19:55] <themill> agio: you may also have it configured in /etc/php/7.3/fpm/php-fpm.conf
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737 [05:20:01] <themill> (or similar)
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742 [05:20:58] <agio> I think /etc/php/*/fpm/pool.d/replaced-url
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751 [05:27:01] <wr> jmcnaught, no autostarts :)
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754 [05:29:37] <Synaptic> hello
755 [05:29:39] <jmcnaught> wr: that's good. Maybe you can disable xfce's session restoration if you don't like it
756 [05:30:23] <wr> jmcnaught, no problems on that, but don't know exactly what it saves
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758 [05:30:39] <Synaptic> im trying to add a user to sudoers, i did (from root) useradd NAME then i did usermod -aG sudo NAME then i logged into the account, but is not sudo
759 [05:31:04] <Synaptic> in groups showing only root
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765 [05:33:16] <jmcnaught> Synaptic: does 'getent group sudo' list the user? Also 'adduser <user> <group>' works too
766 [05:33:21] <Synaptic> ok fixed... sudo was not installed :/
767 [05:33:29] <jmcnaught> oh
768 [05:34:12] <Synaptic> wich firewall i can install on a vps?
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771 [05:35:50] <Synaptic> ufw could be good..
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793 [05:53:28] <pizzaman> Hello
794 [05:53:47] <freq> hi
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805 [05:57:32] <agio> anyone know when buster is coming out?
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810 [06:01:40] <jmcnaught> !wwbr
811 [06:01:40] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. replaced-url
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815 [06:06:05] <agio> cool :)
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895 [07:08:26] <mishehu> this is driving me batty. I have a file in /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d named opensips.conf, in it contains "d /run/opensips 0775 opensips opensips -" . the systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service is enabled ot run at boot, but /run/opensips does not get created. if I manually run "/bin/systemd-tmpfiles --create --remove --boot --exclude-prefix=/dev" it does get created...
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897 [07:08:45] <mishehu> this is on an old jessie system, 8.11
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902 [07:12:24] <jcb2016> when i close the lid on this laptop it resumes right away but if i close the lid for 5 mins and i open the lid it just stays bright no login screen or screen saver im on 9.9 any ideas?
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908 [07:18:23] <mishehu> jcb2016: intel hd graphics chipset?
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944 [07:39:07] <oscurochu> i havent updated my system for over a year. what is the _safest_ way to upgrade my system without bricking it?
945 [07:39:33] <oscurochu> and without having to start completely fresh, too, of course
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951 [07:42:04] <r15> hello, networkmanager disconnects network just after getting a lease from dhcp.
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953 [07:42:21] <oscurochu> im sorry about that
954 [07:42:37] <r15> what could be the issue please?
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956 [07:42:46] <mishehu> r15: is there ipv6 on the network that you're connecting to?
957 [07:43:09] <r15> mishehu: no i am not using ipv6
958 [07:43:20] <r15> no ipv6 in local network
959 [07:43:28] <oscurochu> r15 i dont know im just sympathizing
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962 [07:44:09] <r15> i created custom iso using bootcd, on base machine dhcp works fine, however booting custom iso is giving error with the dhcp.
963 [07:44:10] <mishehu> r15: ok, just a thought. on my distro of choice (as opposed to what I use for work :-) ), I have a problem with networkmanager where if there is ipv6 on the network, it will constantly disconnect every second.
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965 [07:44:27] <mishehu> r15: if I disable ipv6 on that connection, then the connection stays up.
966 [07:44:49] <r15> if i give dhclient <interface> then ip is accepted from dhcp.
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968 [07:45:22] <mishehu> hmm donno, I only use networkmanager on laptops. anything that's fixed in its place does not use it.
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970 [07:45:43] <oscurochu> have you checked the logs?
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975 [07:46:53] <r15> copying logs from live iso.
976 [07:47:37] <oscurochu> im not sure what logs you should check, its been a year since i've used linux. i just got my computer back, it feels like home to have it back lol
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986 [07:52:44] <r15> this is the log-> replaced-url
987 [07:53:03] <oscurochu> if you need help figuring it out let me know, i could probably narrow it down for you but i dont know off the top of my head what the exact issue is
988 [07:53:05] <r15> just after getting ip from dhcp it gets disconnected.
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990 [07:53:25] <oscurochu> yeah you're on a wired connection?
991 [07:53:34] <oscurochu> do you have wireless on this machine?
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995 [07:53:56] <r15> oscurochu: wired
996 [07:54:44] <jcb2016> mishehu, i have a Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kabini [Radeon HD 8240 / R3 Series]
997 [07:54:53] <jcb2016> whatever that is
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999 [07:55:17] <oscurochu> why are you trying to use network manager?
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1002 [07:59:10] <jcb2016> oscurochu, is that for me?
1003 [07:59:11] <r15> oscurochu: no particular reason
1004 [07:59:20] <jcb2016> guess no
1005 [07:59:26] <jcb2016> not*
1006 [08:00:39] <oscurochu> r15: is network mananger the only network client you know how to use?
1007 [08:01:11] <r15> oscurochu:trying wcid now, however post installation new iso bootable deskop was freeze.
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1010 [08:01:37] <oscurochu> there are others that are pretty straightforward to setup and less hassle than setting up network manager, unless you have wireless needs… the network manager is a better option because of the need to select different networks
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1015 [08:03:35] <oscurochu> it may just be more productive to use something that you can actually use and get working than something that refuses to work is all im saying. or you could try a static ip in network manager
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1023 [08:07:02] <oscurochu> sys-iface-state: 'managed' could also mean that something else is trying to manage it. take this with a grain of salt, its just a stab in the dark to why its not working
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1044 [08:16:45] <samba35> i have lost liberoffice word document password ,is it possible to recover it
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1048 [08:18:39] <diogenes_> samba35, 50/50
1049 [08:19:08] <samba35> sorry i did not get it
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1051 [08:19:19] <samba35> what is 50/50
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1053 [08:19:34] <diogenes_> i mean you can try but no 100% guarantee.
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1055 [08:20:00] <samba35> ok ,what is 50 + way :)
1056 [08:20:02] <r15> disabled network manager and wicd is enabled, now live iso becomes freeze.
1057 [08:20:17] <diogenes_> samba35, run: sudo photorec
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1059 [08:20:24] <samba35> ok
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1065 [08:21:19] <diogenes_> samba35, here is a complete guide about it, with pics: replaced-url
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1067 [08:21:33] <samba35> ok
1068 [08:21:39] <samba35> thanks
1069 [08:21:50] <diogenes_> no problem
1070 [08:22:10] <diogenes_> come with a feedback after on how it went.
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1072 [08:22:16] <krytarik> diogenes_: They just lost the password of it though - not the document itself.
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1075 [08:22:40] <diogenes_> krytarik, on sorry, i misunderstood :)
1076 [08:22:57] <diogenes_> samba35, forget what i said, i thought it's about a lost document.
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1082 [08:24:02] <samba35> i thought this will also recover passwd :) thx any way
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1087 [08:25:37] <diogenes_> samba35, try ask in: /j #libreoffice
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1091 [08:26:08] <samba35> ok
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1105 [08:33:45] <oscurochu> my grub.cfg keeps getting reset when i run update-grub and i dont remember the correct way to do it
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1110 [08:36:16] <met> head -n 6 /boot/grub/grub.cfg :)
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1112 [08:37:48] <oscurochu> thats the file that gets reset when i run update-grub2
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1114 [08:40:21] <oscurochu> and /etc/default/grub doesnt have anything useful in it for me to edit… im so confused
1115 [08:40:53] <met> what do you want to change?
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1117 [08:41:48] <oscurochu> i might have figured something out, if it doesnt work, ill let you know
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1206 [09:27:04] <becks`> hi, I have 2 USB harddisks and I'd like to do raid0... which fs would you recommend? I googled zfs and btrfs
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1209 [09:30:17] <Hooloovo0> I'd recommend against raid0 unless your data is all temporary
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1212 [09:30:41] <becks`> Hooloovo0 it's all temporary, no matter if lost :)
1213 [09:30:56] <Hooloovo0> in that case, I have no input, never had to do that
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1216 [09:32:07] <Hooloovo0> I've used LVM, which can work for that, but I don't think it's the best available
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1221 [09:33:15] <selroc> USB HD is not guaranteed to be mounted in the Same Order each time, they may be swapped Ids
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1269 [10:09:19] <Fox> agio: you can install both, but I don't know if you can use them a the same time :)
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1318 [10:41:15] <kontolgede> kontol
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1348 [10:52:54] <asdev> hi all
1349 [10:53:02] <asdev> can someone help me?
1350 [10:53:14] <joze> yes I can help you
1351 [10:53:20] <joze> for sure
1352 [10:53:27] <asdev> how should be the line for security patches if i want to use sid?
1353 [10:53:31] <asdev> deb replaced-url
1354 [10:53:38] <asdev> this is the line i has
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1359 [10:55:28] <asdev> how should i change the line?
1360 [10:55:38] <asdev> for unstable?
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1362 [10:57:41] <jmcnaught> !unstable security
1363 [10:57:41] <dpkg> There is no security support for unstable (sid) at all. Uploads of new packages that fix security vulnerabilities are handled in the same way as any other new version -- this means it's up to the maintainer to do a new upload and you (perhaps) to reconfigure services to cope with the new version. This is one of the reasons unstable is not suitable for day-to-day use in many situations. Also ask me about <moving target>.
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1366 [10:58:53] <shtrb> Is CVE-2019-5675/6/7 are only for windows or debian too ?
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1368 [10:59:38] <asdev> this means that i leanve the entry as it is?
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1372 [11:00:13] <asdev> its just for testing purposes, if something goes wrong i install the pc again
1373 [11:00:15] <asdev> np
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1380 [11:02:17] <Fox> asdev: remove any security repo you have in your sources.list
1381 [11:02:24] <asdev> ok thx!
1382 [11:02:29] <Fox> (if using sid)
1383 [11:02:38] <asdev> perfect, thank you very much!
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1416 [11:17:06] <oscurochu> I am trying to install debian from a dvd but it wants me to format my lvm partition instead of letting me modify it. how do i make custom changes to my lvm?
1417 [11:17:53] <oscurochu> nevermind, i was suppose to select manual
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1422 [11:20:08] <oscurochu> so it definitely won't let me manually set this up… not in the UI anyway. im not sure what to do
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1425 [11:20:26] <oscurochu> what is the install mount point for debian? can a manually mount the parititons?
1426 [11:21:10] <kanliot> say again?
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1428 [11:22:02] <oscurochu> i have an lvm setup and dont want to overwrite the entire lvm
1429 [11:22:17] <oscurochu> but the UI doesnt really give me any other options
1430 [11:22:44] <kanliot> does it list each lvm volume?
1431 [11:22:57] <oscurochu> no just the lvm partition
1432 [11:23:16] <oscurochu> i might also mention its encryted
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1435 [11:24:21] <kanliot> replaced-url
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1437 [11:24:44] <kanliot> just a stab at it sir
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1525 [12:09:06] <lupulo> arm-none-eabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lc_p-lc_p
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1535 [12:12:21] <Fox> lupulo: apt-get install libnewlib-arm-none-eabi ?
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1549 [12:18:52] <Fox> lupulo: are you dead ?
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1553 [12:19:57] <mzajc> How much until buster is frozen?
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1559 [12:22:47] <Fox> I think it is
1560 [12:22:55] <Fox> replaced-url
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1570 [12:26:44] <HerrJe> If i use buster now and it turns stable, will it upgrade to the next version or can I keep buster?
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1576 [12:29:45] <Fox> HerrJe: I don't understand the question, next version of what ?
1577 [12:30:28] <avu> HerrJe: depends on what you write in your sources.list. If you write `buster`, you will stay on buster, if you write `testing` you will get buster+1 once buster is released
1578 [12:31:03] <Fox> buster+1 is bullseye
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1644 [13:05:46] <oscurochu> Grub won' prompt me for my encription password to unlock my lvm and its been quite a while since i've had to set any of this up and i dont remember where to start....
1645 [13:05:59] <oscurochu> i was hoping it would be setup automatically with the install, but its nto
1646 [13:06:01] <oscurochu> not*
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1659 [13:13:17] <petn-randall> oscurochu: Usually the initramfs would do that, not grub. Or is your whole filesystem encrypted, including /boot?
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1666 [13:17:09] <oscurochu> no boot isnt encryted. im not that paranoid. if someone wants to get in, they can get past /boot easy
1667 [13:17:17] <tlund> Does GRUB have support for encrypted /boot?!
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1669 [13:17:37] <jelly> recent versions do, yes
1670 [13:17:43] <jelly> tlund: ^
1671 [13:17:50] <oscurochu> i have no idea. i've been booting from an encrypted drive for years now, but its not very often i have to set it up
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1679 [13:21:26] <becks`> during my debian 9.9 installation, I have been asked to install realtek drivers - however, after the installation, my interface is online... why have I been asked then?
1680 [13:21:35] <becks`> (I didn't install them ^^)
1681 [13:22:13] <themill> The installer can only know that the kernel module *can* load that firmware, not that it is required.
1682 [13:22:29] <themill> The firmware may only be needed for some devices or only needed for some features.
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1715 [13:36:46] <becks`> thanks themill :)
1716 [13:37:37] <oscurochu> ok so how do i setup the initramfs? im about to boot my computer back up and chroot into the system
1717 [13:37:43] <noodlepie> I run Debian stable (9.6) on our communal guest user PC - it is simply fabulous!
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1719 [13:38:40] <noodlepie> I love Free Software, Free Musix AND Free videos -- the Free 3D rendered "The Elephant's dream" is good! -- replaced-url
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1738 [13:51:47] <oscurochu> everything im finding online is about adding a keyfile. i dont want a key
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1752 [13:58:27] <mawk> what are you trying to do oscurochu ?
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1755 [13:59:37] <tlund> jelly: cool, will have to look into that!
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1758 [14:03:10] <oscurochu> mawk update my initramfs so i can unlock my encrypted device
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1766 [14:08:08] <mawk> the initramfs is encrypted too oscurochu ?
1767 [14:08:10] <mawk> or just the rootdisk
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1769 [14:08:26] <mawk> if it's just the rootdisk run update-initramfs from a live debian or something
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1774 [14:11:25] <themill> depending on how it has been set up, the installer should do all of this for you; cryptsetup-initramfs package contains all the necessary magic for luks+lvm with /boot outside.
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1781 [14:14:06] <anzipex> How to add modified and new files to existing tar archive?
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1784 [14:16:33] <oscurochu> i've done update-initramfs and no luck
1785 [14:17:21] <oscurochu> i think im going to just give up for now, i can get in by manually connecting using cryptsetup and that is good enough right now
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1788 [14:17:46] <oscurochu> i even edited the files and made sure CRYPTSETUP=y
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1790 [14:18:34] <noodlepie> Debian be pumping, pumping! - I love this Free Software sh*t - I'm running Stable (9.6) on our communal guest user PC, which only has 2 AMD CPU's. I run the source packages based Gentoo distribution on my 8 thread CPU, 8GB memory, 1TB hard drive and a 256GB SSD partition - which contains temp, swap and frequently changed data. These two systems are really excellent, and great examples of what the Free Software Community can achieve with open sharing and
1791 [14:18:34] <noodlepie> many eyeballs killing bugs!
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1795 [14:19:54] <noodlepie> There are so many options available with GNU/Linux and it puts you in complete control over your hardware - rather than proprietary software, which treats you as a slave and mean your computer controls you.
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1799 [14:21:39] <noodlepie> All software companies that sell the "rights" to software worx should disappear in favour of open projects controlled by the technical community - and indeed, there is lots of GNU/Linux software for a huge number of tasks that can be installed freely, changed, used and redistributed freely.
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1809 [14:27:41] <noodlepie> I like to work on projects paid for by the customer as the "service" of writing it, an with mutual freedom to use the developed code freely. It prevents "single vendor lock in" and save you from being controlled by your software providers - the GPL means all parties to your GPL programming project are free top explore whatever direction your project leads to. Technical interest is always preferable to money/financial reasons to code - public companies
1810 [14:27:43] <noodlepie> with shareholder are only really interested in your money and writing software to get it - this sucks and the technical community of developers who write code for merit's sake, to be freely shared, are a much better example of the Free Software Communities resources!. If you like, and run Free Software such as the Mozilla FireFox and Google Chrome browsers, you should really explore GNU/Linux distributions for 100% Free computing. Linux is the native
1811 [14:27:48] <noodlepie> platform for those browsers and they are really good!
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1821 [14:32:26] <noodlepie> IBM just bought the Free Software/Open Source company, RedHat, for about $36 Billion, meaning Free Software project will feature as the norm in the future, and a lot of open projects will be adopted by those with financial success, and the desire to explore the Free Software world from their business point of view. Nobody can compete with Free Software, and it's use in AI, in the future, will mean our code can be used as reference data for the computer
1822 [14:32:26] <noodlepie> AI to "learn" from - No single company could ever achieve this - and it is really the jewel in the Free Software crown. No that IBM bought RedHat, it seems they will provide commercial support for Free Software distributions, and the community in general. I think we will see a lot of projects becoming available that were once proprietary/commercial projects,. It's good to see so much sharing and openness in the world!
1823 [14:33:11] <themill> noodlepie: BTW this is a user support channel. Do you have a support question we can help you with?
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1827 [14:34:22] <noodlepie> Noted themill ! I am just here to help our at the moment, all my Free Software is running perfectly at the moment.
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1871 [15:00:31] <rant> noodlepie: you can start by upgrading your system
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1875 [15:01:20] <tarikogut> hi
1876 [15:01:33] <tarikogut> can i ask question
1877 [15:01:56] <rant> you just did
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1879 [15:02:08] <rant> wasnt very constructive
1880 [15:02:10] <dvs> that's it
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1882 [15:02:17] <rant> !ask
1883 [15:02:17] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1884 [15:02:18] <tarikogut> ok i have hp laptop
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1887 [15:02:30] <tarikogut> wifi bluetooth not workin
1888 [15:02:34] <tarikogut> realtek chipset
1889 [15:02:57] <rant> lspci -nn
1890 [15:02:59] <tarikogut> how to fix it
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1893 [15:03:07] <shtrb> paste lspci , lsusb , dmesg -T | grep -i firmware into paste.debian.net and share us the link
1894 [15:03:24] <tarikogut> i cant internet not working
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1898 [15:03:27] <tarikogut> this laptop
1899 [15:03:28] <abrotman> tarikogut: which version of Linux are you using? Which kernel, etc?
1900 [15:03:38] <tarikogut> debian 9.9
1901 [15:03:40] <abrotman> also , stop hitting enter .. we can read more than three words per line
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1903 [15:04:07] <shtrb> tarikogut, it could be that you are missing non-free firmware or it is disabled via rfkill
1904 [15:04:16] <rant> tarikogut: just need the pciid from lspci -nn its the part in []
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1906 [15:04:54] <shtrb> tarikogut, try if you can install firmware-realtek to begin with
1907 [15:04:56] <tarikogut> 10ec:d723
1908 [15:04:58] <tarikogut> realtek
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1911 [15:05:20] <rant> ,pciid 10ec:d723
1912 [15:05:21] <judd> [10ec:d723] is 'RTL8723DE 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in stretch or in sid. See also replaced-url
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1914 [15:05:58] <greycat> dpkg listkeys 8723de
1915 [15:06:00] <dpkg> Factoid search of '8723de' by key returned no results.
1916 [15:06:01] <greycat> dpkg listkeys 8723
1917 [15:06:03] <dpkg> Factoid search of '8723' by key (9): rtl8723au ;; rtl8723ae ;; rtl8723bs ;; rtl8723be ;; 8723au ;; rtl8723ae-bt ;; r8723au ;; rtl8723 ;; rtl8723bs install.
1918 [15:06:05] <themill> must. finish. rewriting. that. code.
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1920 [15:06:16] <rant> heh
1921 [15:06:30] <tarikogut> failed to load rtl_bt/rtl8723b_config.bin
1922 [15:06:44] <greycat> ,file rtl8723b_config.bin
1923 [15:06:48] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
1924 [15:06:52] <greycat> daaaamn
1925 [15:06:59] <greycat> ,file rtl8723b_config.bin --release buster
1926 [15:07:03] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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1930 [15:08:29] <greycat> The description for firmware-realtek in stretch DOES include * Realtek RTL8192DE firmware (rtlwifi/rtl8192defw.bin)
1931 [15:08:32] <greycat> for whatever that's worth
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1934 [15:08:48] <greycat> oh, wrong DE
1935 [15:08:54] <tarikogut> not working
1936 [15:09:04] <rant> replaced-url
1937 [15:09:26] <rant> needs backports kernel and headers
1938 [15:09:27] <greycat> The firmware-realtek in BUSTER includes * Realtek RTL8723DE firmware (rtlwifi/rtl8723defw.bin)
1939 [15:09:27] <tarikogut> not work
1940 [15:09:32] <tarikogut> i tested
1941 [15:09:38] <rant> needs backports kernel and headers
1942 [15:10:08] <rant> doesnt work on kernels < 4.11
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1944 [15:10:27] <tarikogut> second problem in installation debian freeze ryzen 3 2200u
1945 [15:12:03] <rant> well actually now says 4.15
1946 [15:12:26] <rant> but regardless backports/buster is 4.19
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1949 [15:13:08] <tarikogut> replaced-url
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1953 [15:13:55] <tarikogut> kernel 4.9
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1962 [15:22:42] <greycat> tarikogut: try buster instead of stretch.
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1967 [15:23:17] <greycat> or, if you prefer, you could try a backported (stretch-backports) kernel AND firmware-realtek
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1969 [15:26:05] <jelly> stretch is probably too old for Ryzen 3 with GPU, and I don't know of anyone having made a stretch installer with backported kernel+mesa+dri+firmware
1970 [15:26:20] <becks`> this might be a stupid question, but is there an fstab option that allows me to configure the cache size for writes to a specific hdd? so that e.g. 1 GB is buffered in my ram instead of directly being written to my hdd?
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1972 [15:26:28] <no_gravity> Good Afternoon
1973 [15:26:38] <greycat> yeah, at this point in the freeze cycle, I'd probably just go buster for this bleeding-edge hardware
1974 [15:26:41] <jelly> becks`: no, there's a global tunable for that
1975 [15:26:59] <no_gravity> So a friend of mine said "A machine with 3 cores that shows a load of 3 is totally at capacity". Which I don't believe at all. What's the best way to prove him wrong?
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1978 [15:27:16] <becks`> jelly how is it called?
1979 [15:27:33] <jelly> I mean, there's a global tunable for when to force start writing dirty buffers down to disk. There isn't one to limit cache size that I know of.
1980 [15:27:38] <greycat> no_gravity: if the load is sustained over time and is solely due to CPU and not I/O then he's correct, but it's a naive set of assumptions in general
1981 [15:27:58] <jelly> becks`: vm.dirty_background_ratio
1982 [15:28:04] <becks`> thanks a lot jelly :)
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1984 [15:28:25] <no_gravity> greycat: He thinks that I/O does not add to loadavg.
1985 [15:28:35] <dvs> no_gravity, he's kinda right. It's at capacity meaning there is no process waiting to be run. Any load value higher than that means processes are waiting to be executed.
1986 [15:29:12] <greycat> if your system is I/O bound then the load average is just not a meaningful number at all, and you need to look into disk performance, etc.
1987 [15:29:20] <no_gravity> dvs: Processes might be waiting, but the machine still has capacity to run calculations.
1988 [15:29:42] <jelly> becks`: the value is percentage of total RAM size.
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1990 [15:30:28] <jelly> becks`: I think newer kernels have a similar tunable but in pages or KiB or MiB, see what's there in /proc/sys/vm/
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1992 [15:31:09] <m4ch1n3znc> how can i deterimne current ram clock frequency?
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2000 [15:32:55] <kjay> anybody with idea on docker in docker with debian
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2002 [15:33:19] <dvs> !any1
2003 [15:33:19] <dpkg> *** any1: No such nick/channel
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2011 [15:33:48] <kjay> yes
2012 [15:33:52] <greycat> *plonk*
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2017 [15:37:01] <beardy> Just do it.
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2019 [15:38:53] <m4ch1n3znc> hmm its not in /proc/meminfo
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2021 [15:39:42] <russw> Why is apt giving me "unable to parse package file" here?
2022 [15:39:43] <russw> replaced-url
2023 [15:41:11] <no_gravity> I want to run this 8 times in parallel: while true; do echo 123 > test; sync ; done
2024 [15:41:13] <russw> I'm unable to update the machine this is on, despite updating the security deb line to what I thought was current.
2025 [15:41:27] <no_gravity> I thought putting "xargs -P 8" in front of it would work, but no.
2026 [15:41:32] <no_gravity> Any ideas how to do it right?
2027 [15:42:06] <russw> no_gravity: #bash will have tonnes of ideas
2028 [15:42:51] <m4ch1n3znc> { command1 ; command2 ; } &
2029 [15:42:54] <m4ch1n3znc> use subshell and &
2030 [15:43:02] <m4ch1n3znc> to run subshell in bg
2031 [15:43:23] <tlund> whats the difference between ( command ) and { command }?
2032 [15:43:40] <m4ch1n3znc> comman1 ; command2 &
2033 [15:43:51] <m4ch1n3znc> would run only command2 in bg
2034 [15:43:58] <russw> for foo in {1..8}; do <your thing>; done
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2037 [15:44:12] <m4ch1n3znc> while { c1 ; c2 ;} &
2038 [15:44:18] <m4ch1n3znc> would run both in bg
2039 [15:44:44] <m4ch1n3znc> there has to be a semicolon after last command and before }
2040 [15:46:24] <m4ch1n3znc> if you want run a while loop in bg `{ while :; do foo ; bar ; done ; } &`
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2042 [15:47:31] <themill> russw: I'm not sure if that's a problem on the security mirror or a local problem for you. The sources.list entry looks OK
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2044 [15:48:22] <themill> russw: is your disk full by any chance?
2045 [15:48:27] <russw> themill: I'm currently thinking the security site is down. does security.debian.org use DNS geo-magic mirroring?
2046 [15:48:33] <themill> yes
2047 [15:48:53] <russw> themill: disk not full
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2049 [15:49:56] <russw> themill: can I force another security mirror to test it?
2050 [15:50:08] <themill> russw: can you pastebin the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_debian-security_dists_stretch_updates_InRelease ?
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2052 [15:50:17] <themill> only by editing /etc/hosts
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2055 [15:50:43] <ninja> how to enable debian sid on stretch?
2056 [15:50:52] <dvs> you don't
2057 [15:50:58] <greycat> you run sid INSTEAD of stretch, or not at all
2058 [15:51:25] <russw> themill: that InRelease file is empty
2059 [15:51:36] <themill> can you delete what is in /var/lib/apt/lists and /var/lib/apt/lists/partial and try again?
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2061 [15:51:46] <ninja> don't we have to enable sid in sources.list?
2062 [15:52:13] <greycat> ninja: if you do that, you will be running sid, and not stretch. Which is fine if that's what you want to do.
2063 [15:52:19] <russw> themill: er... correction. it is 94345 bytes of non-text
2064 [15:52:23] <dvs> ninja, it's not a matter of enableing, it's a matter of moving to sid.
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2067 [15:52:39] <russw> themill: just rm the entire dirs?
2068 [15:52:43] <ninja> I'm not a native english speaker.
2069 [15:52:43] <themill> ninja: if you're asking these questions, that's a good sign that you don't want to go anywhere near sid
2070 [15:52:54] <themill> russw: deleting the contents of is nicer
2071 [15:53:40] <ninja> I just installed stretch from old netinstall iso. and I wanna go to sid. as most of the packages I want aren't here.
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2074 [15:53:52] <greycat> Fine, then upgrade to sid.
2075 [15:54:08] <ninja> greycat: how? that's my question
2076 [15:54:13] <greycat> !sid
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2078 [15:54:13] <dpkg> from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
2079 [15:54:22] <greycat> !unstable
2080 [15:54:22] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. replaced-url
2081 [15:54:54] <themill> ninja: this is a bad idea
2082 [15:55:01] <russw> themill: thx... that did it: replaced-url
2083 [15:55:02] <ninja> who cares
2084 [15:55:03] <dvs> agreed
2085 [15:55:14] <russw> themill: can I bother you for a 20 second explanation?
2086 [15:55:19] <ninja> unstable is testing?
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2088 [15:55:29] <greycat> No. Testing is in between unstable and stable.
2089 [15:55:47] <dvs> they're pretty close now but they are not the same
2090 [15:55:55] <greycat> [hands of Developer] -> [unstable] -> [testing]
2091 [15:56:17] <greycat> Then every 2-3 years, [testing] becomes the new [stable].
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2095 [15:56:51] <ninja> stable is stretch?
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2097 [15:56:58] <ninja> debian 9
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2099 [15:57:01] <greycat> Yes, currently.
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2101 [15:57:27] <themill> russw: apt believes that Release files on disk are always correct because it only copies them there *after* they have been gpg verified. If it's broken in some way, hilarity ensues.
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2103 [15:57:39] <russw> "hilarity" :)
2104 [15:57:45] <ninja> so I'm gonna move to testing. Thanks.
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2107 [15:58:01] <horribleprogram> how you determine the package version of a .deb archive
2108 [15:58:10] <greycat> it's usually in the filename
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2110 [15:58:18] <horribleprogram> yes, but any other way greycat
2111 [15:58:21] <horribleprogram> debian-binary file?
2112 [15:58:29] <greycat> extract it and poke around
2113 [15:58:46] <horribleprogram> kk
2114 [15:58:55] <russw> themill: I'm a bit concerned my Release files got trashed, but realistically I'm probably going to have to stick my fingers in my ears and go lalalalalalalala
2115 [15:59:15] <dvs> really? I thought there would be a dpkg command to print the info about a .deb file.
2116 [15:59:25] <russw> themill: thx very much for the fix, though. much obliged.
2117 [15:59:41] <horribleprogram> my dpkg_1.18.25_amd64.deb obviously has a package version number of 1.18.25, but the debian-binary file within that archive shows 2.0
2118 [15:59:43] <themill> russw: yes, figuring out why that file was dodgy is a problem.
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2120 [15:59:58] <greycat> then that's clearly not the right file. try some other file.
2121 [16:00:03] <themill> horribleprogram: that is the file format not the package version
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2123 [16:00:13] <horribleprogram> themill: debian-binary specifies the "file format"?
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2125 [16:00:20] <themill> yes
2126 [16:00:27] <horribleprogram> kk, what's file format?
2127 [16:00:36] <themill> debian-binary 2.0
2128 [16:00:41] <greycat> gods, it's a package tourist
2129 [16:00:42] <horribleprogram> ahhh kk
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2131 [16:00:55] <horribleprogram> replaced-url
2132 [16:00:56] <themill> horribleprogram: you might like to read deb(5)
2133 [16:00:58] <horribleprogram> guess I gotta read that
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2135 [16:01:04] <horribleprogram> or that themill :d
2136 [16:01:15] <horribleprogram> problem is I'm on my mac
2137 [16:01:24] <themill> !man 5 deb
2138 [16:01:24] <dpkg> man 5 deb is probably at replaced-url
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2140 [16:01:30] <horribleprogram> sweet ty
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2142 [16:02:32] <horribleprogram> last Q
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2144 [16:03:06] <tarikogut> i found solutions format disk install windows :(
2145 [16:03:19] <themill> btw dpkg-deb -f foo.deb | sed -n 's/Version: //p'
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2147 [16:03:59] <greycat> that's a funny way of writing grep 'Version: '
2148 [16:04:05] <horribleprogram> yeah :P
2149 [16:04:11] <horribleprogram> I was gonna see lol
2150 [16:04:25] <horribleprogram> also... apt-cache show <package name> | grep 'Version: ' ?
2151 [16:04:45] <themill> greycat: except that isn't what it does
2152 [16:05:05] <themill> horribleprogram: and that's not interrogating the .deb which is what you wanted
2153 [16:05:11] <horribleprogram> themill: ahh
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2155 [16:05:44] <horribleprogram> themill: what's the difference between apt-cache show apt | grep 'Version: ' and querying the apt_x.y.z_amd64.deb
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2159 [16:06:09] <themill> Other than that they're completely different things
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2161 [16:06:18] <zipper> Is there a way to install software as a user when I don't have root access?
2162 [16:06:26] <horribleprogram> god dammit all these different versions
2163 [16:06:35] <themill> horribleprogram: you started this...
2164 [16:06:39] <horribleprogram> :D
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2166 [16:08:25] <horribleprogram> obviously a deb package has a version number, that package itself uses a file format (most likely deb 2.0)
2167 [16:08:47] <horribleprogram> shown in debian-binary
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2169 [16:09:40] <themill> The binary package has a Version string and is also associated with a source package which might have a different Version string (both will be recorded in the package)
2170 [16:09:40] <karlpinc> zipper: You can install from source, into, say, ~/local/
2171 [16:09:55] <horribleprogram> themill: ahh kk
2172 [16:09:59] <zipper> karlpinc: but for that I need make, right?
2173 [16:10:07] <horribleprogram> themill: so just an extra source package version number
2174 [16:10:17] <horribleprogram> themill: ez stuff :) pretty intuitive
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2177 [16:10:33] <karlpinc> zipper: Usually, and other stuff.
2178 [16:10:39] <zipper> Yeah
2179 [16:11:17] <karlpinc> zipper: You might be able to do something with a chroot.
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2181 [16:11:59] <karlpinc> zipper: Into your home directory. But really, what are you trying to do?
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2195 [16:15:30] <karlpinc> Well, looks like you need to be root to chroot. Which makes sense.
2196 [16:15:47] <greycat> that's correct
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2206 [16:19:56] <OS-40658> msg NickServ IDENTIFY R0x@nn3101234
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2209 [16:20:18] <greycat> time to change that password
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2213 [16:21:22] <bashes> Where in "/" should you mount extra permanent disks?
2214 [16:21:34] <greycat> wherever you want. make a new directory with a meaningful name.
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2217 [16:21:55] <greycat> all the documentation like FHS and so on tells VENDORS where to put stuff, not you
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2220 [16:23:00] <Dece> on desktop workstation you often see permanent drives mounted in a subfolder of /mnt, I never had an issue with it
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2222 [16:23:42] <greycat> that's because most people are sheep that think they need to follow some kind of "standards" so they look for an existing thing that has been provided for them instead of making their own thing.
2223 [16:23:57] <greycat> and if that works for you, that's fine too.
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2265 [16:45:59] <zimbabew> why everybody says debian for professionals altough ubuntu for beginners but ubuntu comes from deb?
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2267 [16:47:05] <greycat> Ubuntu is aimed mostly at desktop uses with relatively little Unix background.
2268 [16:47:16] <greycat> users*
2269 [16:48:05] <zimbabew> thank you!
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2316 [17:16:44] <eldowan> I'm trying to switch to the testing branch, but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I've updated the stretch sources entry to the following: deb replaced-url
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2325 [17:22:44] <jelly> eldowan: use the codename "buster" instead of testing or you'll get nasty surprises after buster is released
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2328 [17:23:25] <eldowan> I'll update to buster then and give it a shot. It's been since... jessie was in testing since I've been on a proper debian system.
2329 [17:23:44] <jelly> eldowan: and do not forget to keep "main" in addition to "contrib" and "non-free" sections there
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2345 [17:31:37] <eldowan> jelly: no dice. I still get no upgrades available, and dirmngr is not to be found. Can you do a quick sanity check to see if I'm missing something obvious? replaced-url
2346 [17:32:16] <eldowan> neverrrrrmin, I don't have main on my first source. >.<
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2349 [17:34:34] <jelly> !buster sources.list
2350 [17:34:34] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2358 [17:38:50] <annadane> buster's going to fix a few annoying issues, i'm getting impatient :D
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2362 [17:41:04] <FunkyBob> ok, this is getting frustrating... no matter what I do nothing in my system will accept that I want Chromium as my default browser
2363 [17:41:13] <FunkyBob> everything keeps going to "last installed browser package"
2364 [17:41:31] <greycat> unix doesn't really have the concept of a "default browser", and I promise you it isn't sorting by package installation dates
2365 [17:41:53] <FunkyBob> no, I'm sure there's just some setting somewhere that I haven't uncovered yet
2366 [17:41:55] <greycat> your desktop environment may have something about it, but you'd have to click things with a mouse or something, who the hell knows, I don't use a desktop environment
2367 [17:42:06] <FunkyBob> xdg-settings shows chromium
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2369 [17:42:32] <greycat> so now you just need whatever thing you're using that thinks there is a "default browser" to look at xdg-settings
2370 [17:42:35] <a__pi> replaced-url
2371 [17:42:39] <FunkyBob> update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
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2373 [17:43:06] <greycat> oh, NOW you need your thing-that-thinks-there-is-a-default-browser to run x-replaced-url
2374 [17:43:26] <FunkyBob> greycat: can you go be unhelpful elsewhere, perhaps?
2375 [17:43:26] <themill> also gnome-replaced-url
2376 [17:43:49] <FunkyBob> themill: as in, for update-alternatives ?
2377 [17:43:54] <greycat> Maybe if you tell us what program you're using that is launching the wrong browser, someone will know how to configure it.
2378 [17:44:36] <FunkyBob> greycat: qterminal and slack for a start... oh, and thunderbird
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2380 [17:45:11] <FunkyBob> themill: ok, have set that... will see how it goes, thanks
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2383 [17:45:59] <greycat> I googled "default browser in thunderbird" and it brings up replaced-url
2384 [17:46:10] <themill> it may well be that tbird has its own setting for this too
2385 [17:46:31] <greycat> I didn't search for the other two yet.
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2387 [17:47:05] <themill> istr Qt having a setting for this once upon a time
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2390 [17:47:57] <greycat> hmm, good point... I didn't think about the underlying widget libraries having their own settings as well
2391 [17:48:02] <FunkyBob> just found a bunch of entries in ~/.config/mimeapps.list pointing to chrome... which isn't even installed...
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2435 [18:07:45] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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2437 [18:08:14] <tobiasBora> Any idea why putting in .ssh/authorized_keys the following: command="export PATH=~/git_bin:$PATH; /usr/bin/env bash" ssh-rsa
2438 [18:08:40] <tobiasBora> change the PATH and open a bash prompt when I use "ssh me@server"
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2442 [18:09:28] <ksk> ehm, why dont you use ~/.bashrc to setup your environment for login shells?
2443 [18:09:37] <epsilon> I would write a shell script on remote host and execute it, instead of using that long command
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2447 [18:10:27] <tobiasBora> but when I type a command, like in "ssh me@server git", it does not execute git, but I fall into a bash-like interface where I can still write commands and have outputs, but I don't have any prompt anymore
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2450 [18:11:45] <epsilon> ... what are you trying to achieve?
2451 [18:12:32] * tobiasBora appologize to answer slowly because he has a bad connection
2452 [18:12:40] <greycat> tobiasBora: you get git's "how to use me" message and then you are returned to your local shell because the ssh connection is finished
2453 [18:13:12] * greycat scrolls up ... OH, he used a forced command in an ssh key.
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2456 [18:14:03] <tobiasBora> ksk: so I cannot use ~/.bashrc for two reasons. First, I want to settup a special git command for one specific key. Second, I'm not sure .bashrc is read in noninteractive (I made some tests and it was not)
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2464 [18:15:07] <tobiasBora> epsilon: I'm trying to fake a "git pull" hook on server side, by making a shell that looks normal, but when used in non-interactive mode, it manually runs the "hook" script
2465 [18:15:22] <greycat> I don't know anything about forced commands but I do know that if your forced command is supposed to be interactive, you probably need ssh -t on the client side to force a tty
2466 [18:15:26] <tobiasBora> and then run git
2467 [18:15:51] <greycat> But it sounds like an X-Y involving git, so please just ask #git how to do the original X.
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2470 [18:16:22] <tobiasBora> greycat: well it seems that the problem is not linked to interactive, but to non interactive
2471 [18:17:02] <tobiasBora> greycat: I tried. They told me "not possible". So now I try to hack (and understand ssh, shells...). That's funny also.
2472 [18:17:17] <greycat> in your original question you have "bash" at the end of the forced command. that is an attempt to launch an interactive shell. therefore you need a tty.
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2475 [18:18:38] <tobiasBora> greycat: well maybe ssh automatically set the "-t" option when used without a client command
2476 [18:18:46] <tobiasBora> because the interactive case works
2477 [18:18:53] <tobiasBora> the problem is with the non interactive case
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2479 [18:19:04] <greycat> but in your SECOND question, the one I saw FIRST, you had "ssh user@host git" which HAD a command on the client side and therefore would NOT be using -t by default
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2481 [18:21:47] <tobiasBora> greycat: yes. But for this command I not want to have interaction. I just want to behave more or less like "ssh user@host git", except that I want to enforce the path to be the one I want
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2483 [18:22:28] <greycat> you have a forced command on this key, which I assume you are using. every time you login with that key, it runs that command.
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2485 [18:22:54] <greycat> !wayttd
2486 [18:22:54] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do?
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2490 [18:28:14] <tobiasBora> As I explained above ^^ But I'm also learning how *nix works.
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2492 [18:28:50] <greycat> I'm not going to /lastlog you and try to guess which parts of which things are your actual single sentence summary goal.
2493 [18:28:52] <tobiasBora> So for example, when I write "ssh me@host mycommand", how is "mycommand" given to the shell? By stdin?
2494 [18:28:58] <greycat> No.
2495 [18:29:16] <greycat> In YOUR case, it is not given to a shell AT ALL because you are using a key with a forced command.
2496 [18:29:39] <greycat> If you WERE NOT doing what you are ACTUALLY doing, sshd would launch your account's login shell with the arguments [-c] and [mycommand].
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2500 [18:30:03] <tobiasBora> greycat: The "practical" goal is to run a script on a server every time a user runs git pull
2501 [18:30:09] <greycat> There is no scenario where ssh turns command-line arguments into stdin payload.
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2504 [18:30:51] <tobiasBora> oh I see. And with "command" I have no way to recover this and send it to my custom shell? I think it should be possible as gitolite does something like that.
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2506 [18:31:03] <greycat> OK, to achieve your practical goal, you need to intercept every command given by this user, see if "git pull" is in it, and then carry on after your man-in-the-middle attack is complete.
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2510 [18:31:10] <jelly> tobiasBora: that's what git hooks are for. You could provide a custom wrapper for the "git" command that did whatever you wanted it to do instead.
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2512 [18:31:41] <tobiasBora> greycat: yes. That's exactly what I want, a MITM. But can't find how MITM bash
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2514 [18:31:55] <tobiasBora> jelly: there is no git hook for pul on server side
2515 [18:31:57] <jelly> don't MITM bash. MITM git.
2516 [18:32:00] <greycat> Replace their login shell with a script that does this.
2517 [18:32:18] <greycat> Or, as jelly says, attack the git part. Replace /usr/bin/git with a script that does this. Or use whatever #git says.
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2521 [18:34:21] <jelly> if git upstream says there's no server-side hook for what you need, that may be because the server side never actually sees the command in question. Or it's merely not implemented at all.
2522 [18:34:27] <greycat> replacing /usr/bin/git would be a hell of a lot easier than parsing arbitrary bash commands supplied by a user
2523 [18:34:48] <jelly> or providing a /usr/local/bin/git ?!?!?
2524 [18:34:51] <greycat> sounds like he's attacking the git client side but the git client is on the ssh server for some reason
2525 [18:35:12] <greycat> or, and this is extremly possible, he may not have explained the goal in a way I can understand it
2526 [18:35:27] <storrgie> Is it possible to do an archlinux style install with debian so you can do things like configure btrfs compression before debbootstrap'ing?
2527 [18:35:38] <storrgie> like, a purely text based non-installer-install
2528 [18:36:27] <jelly> storrgie: you can set up your disk whichever way you want and debootstrap on top of that, but you also then have to set up boot loader and possibly custom initramfs to make it boot
2529 [18:36:58] <jelly> and yes, that's in part what debootstrap was created for
2530 [18:36:59] <storrgie> right, wondering if there is a guide on this anywhere (if its in the wiki, or if someone in this room has one they have maintained)
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2532 [18:37:20] <jelly> the general idea is explained in the
2533 [18:37:23] <jelly> !install guide
2534 [18:37:24] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at replaced-url
2535 [18:37:25] <storrgie> debbootstrap is awesome for containers, but I do miss the ability to do some filesystem configuration steps
2536 [18:37:43] <storrgie> I'm curious about using things like systemd-boot instead of grub
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2538 [18:38:21] <jelly> you can use lilo if you know how to set it up
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2541 [18:38:35] <jelly> or any other boot loader, same caveat
2542 [18:38:55] <jelly> ,v systemd-boot
2543 [18:38:56] <judd> No package named 'systemd-boot' was found in amd64.
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2547 [18:39:49] <jelly> apparently not packaged under that or gummiboot name,/
2548 [18:39:56] <jelly> yet
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2553 [18:41:10] <tobiasBora> greycat: yes, but I don't want to modifygit globally. I just want to make another version in ~/gitbin, and settup this path only for this private key. But I can't find how to do
2554 [18:41:48] <jelly> tobiasBora: your global wrapper can do all kinds of checks, including ones like "which user am I running as"
2555 [18:41:59] <greycat> "I want to do an incredibly invasive and difficult thing... oh, but wait, I also want it to be EXTRA HARD on top of that."
2556 [18:42:08] <tobiasBora> jelly: well for sure git must be called at some point to check if something new arrived.
2557 [18:42:40] <jelly> tobiasBora: yes. A wrapper typically calls the real thing at some point. Passing it all the parameters.
2558 [18:42:55] <greycat> Besides, how are you going to attack the user who logs in interactively and then simply runs "git pull" rather than doing "ssh yourserver git pull"?>
2559 [18:42:58] <tobiasBora> Actually somebody gave me the path of a script to update. But again I don't know how to modify the script only for this key.
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2561 [18:43:28] <jelly> tobiasBora: you can still do it for one specific user if that's good enough
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2563 [18:44:17] <greycat> replacing /usr/bin/git is the only way to catch the cases I just described (interactive shell, git command not passed directly via ssh)
2564 [18:44:24] <jelly> I don't even know if running "git pull" in a local dir runs "ssh remote git pull" precisely or what
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2566 [18:44:47] <greycat> We're still not getting the *actual* goal, either.
2567 [18:45:05] <greycat> "I want to run a script whenever a user issues git pull on my server BECAUSE ____"
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2569 [18:45:14] <tobiasBora> jelly: I don't have root access so I can't
2570 [18:45:19] <greycat> *plonk*
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2572 [18:45:21] <jelly> tobiasBora: why do you want to do this, what is the non-hook server side supposed to achieve
2573 [18:45:23] <greycat> DOne.
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2576 [18:45:29] <tobiasBora> the Because is the following
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2578 [18:45:42] <greycat> "It's not my server" is more than enough reason to /ignore you.
2579 [18:45:46] <jelly> tobiasBora: ask the sysadmin to do it then?
2580 [18:45:57] <tobiasBora> I want to write a plugin for cocalc
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2583 [18:47:25] <tobiasBora> jelly: I'm actually working with him, but the architecture is complicated enough to first try to find a solution that does not involve too much hackery in the complex structure of Cotalc
2584 [18:48:02] <tobiasBora> moreover,having two users, one for git pull, one for ssh access is akward
2585 [18:48:25] <tobiasBora> basicallythe idea is to mimic overleaf
2586 [18:49:04] <tobiasBora> on overleaf, users can write LaTeX code together
2587 [18:49:10] <tobiasBora> in real time
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2589 [18:49:58] <tobiasBora> but there is also a git bridge for people that want to work offline
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2592 [18:50:55] <jelly> imagine if you started with that explanation first
2593 [18:51:07] <tobiasBora> the idea is that when you do a git pull, the server automatically creates a commit of the online version
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2595 [18:52:24] <tobiasBora> and when you push back, the information is stored on the online version
2596 [18:52:41] <tobiasBora> now, Cocalc provides a great interface
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2598 [18:53:16] <tobiasBora> you can edit latex, you can have acess to terminal, and you can log with ssh
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2603 [18:53:56] <tobiasBora> with push hooks you can easily achive local -> server
2604 [18:54:17] <tobiasBora> now the part for pulling is missing
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2693 [19:42:49] <downtrip> 0
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2695 [19:43:12] <downtrip> ~~~~~~~~~j
2696 [19:43:15] <downtrip> ~~~~
2697 [19:43:19] <downtrip>
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2699 [19:43:53] <downtrip> Duh, sorry, new keyboard
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2701 [19:45:01] <diogenes_> prob apple butterfly keyboard.
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2726 [19:57:33] <pie3> have you used/know about tap/tun devices?
2727 [19:57:36] <pie3> how to use them?
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2733 [20:00:40] <downtrip> :diogenes_ Vortex Core 40% - reprogramming it
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2759 [20:16:43] <tobiasBora> jhutchins_wk: well people from here asked me to explain why I wanted to change the PATH for only one key. But the initial question is simple: how can I setup in ssh (in debian) a different environment for one secret key in non-interactive mode.
2760 [20:17:22] <tobiasBora> If I don't give enough details, people say why, if I give too much, people say your goal is not linked directly with debian...
2761 [20:17:30] <tobiasBora> Anyway, thanks for your time
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2765 [20:20:52] <rant> you can put a key anywhere if you use ssh-agent and add the key
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2768 [20:22:06] <rant> man ssh-add
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2771 [20:23:32] <rant> this is what the agent is for.. key management
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2857 [21:07:39] <rpifan> can anyone help with duplicity, i am trying to restore a backup but it wants a password which i never added
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2859 [21:08:01] <jhutchins_wk> rpifan: Try leaving it blank
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2861 [21:08:31] <rpifan> i did and then i get a python error
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2863 [21:08:51] <rpifan> no backup chains found
2864 [21:09:51] <jhutchins_wk> !duplicity
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2867 [21:12:46] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
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2872 [21:14:51] <rpifan> that one
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2905 [21:33:43] <no_gravity> Is there a way to map "LEFT ALT + 7" to "{" system wide?
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2971 [22:06:29] <ninja> what provides notify-send ?
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2974 [22:06:47] <greycat> file bin/notify-send
2975 [22:06:50] <greycat> ,file bin/notify-send
2976 [22:06:54] <judd> Search for bin/notify-send in stretch/amd64: libnotify-bin: usr/bin/notify-send
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2979 [22:07:39] <ninja> greycat: OS: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid x86_64
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2981 [22:08:10] <greycat> did libnotify-bin not work, then?
2982 [22:08:35] <ninja> trying it now. there is no notify-send in sid.
2983 [22:08:48] <greycat> ,file bin/notify-send --release buster
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2985 [22:08:53] <judd> Search for bin/notify-send in buster/amd64: libnotify-bin: usr/bin/notify-send
2986 [22:09:01] <greycat> ,file bin/notify-send --release sid
2987 [22:09:05] <judd> Search for bin/notify-send in sid/amd64: libnotify-bin: usr/bin/notify-send
2988 [22:09:10] <greycat> The bot disagrees with you.
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2992 [22:10:15] <ninja> greycat: E: Unable to locate package notify-send
2993 [22:10:41] <ninja> notify-send is in sid which provided notify-send.
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2995 [22:10:49] <ninja> bot needs to be updated :)
2996 [22:10:50] <greycat> The PACKAGE NAME is libnotify-bin as the bot told us three times.
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2998 [22:11:07] <greycat> And now I've said it twice. So there are five times total.
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3000 [22:11:44] <ninja> sorry, I thought it was notify-send
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3016 [22:16:48] <_abc_> How does one unselect all packages selected for upgrade by mistakenly pressing U in aptitude? I hate 173 packages highlighted for upgrading. Why is there no way to do the opposite action?
3017 [22:17:17] <_abc_> Which file stores the state of aptitude? The /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates has no info on which are selected
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3023 [22:19:05] <ninja> I'm newb to debian and apt stuff. can someone guide me what is the difference between aptitude and apt and apt-get ?
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3025 [22:19:32] <_abc_> aptitude is "menu" driven the others are command line. aptitude can also be used from cli only if wanted
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3037 [22:20:38] <ninja> wow, I never knew aptitude also has a gui :)
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3040 [22:21:07] <_abc_> In addition to not being automated as a command, applying ':' on hundreds of packages, applying it manually takes a long time since it checks and flags deps / broken things every time. Is there NO way to automate this at all?
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3042 [22:21:16] <user_Max> ninja, Aptitude is front-end of APT
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3044 [22:21:46] <ninja> user_Max: Thanks for info
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3047 [22:22:14] <greycat> aptitude is *one* of the front-ends of APT. apt-get and apt are two more.
3048 [22:22:22] <greycat> use whichever one you like
3049 [22:22:39] <greycat> (except for release upgrades, where you use what the notes say to use, which is usually apt-get)
3050 [22:22:40] <user_Max> replaced-url
3051 [22:23:01] <greycat> that's another one, but it only works under certain conditions that may not hold true indefinitely
3052 [22:23:15] * dvs holds on to dselect
3053 [22:23:16] <greycat> because root + GUI = whatthehellareyousmoking
3054 [22:23:54] <_abc_> well a menu is almost a gui. Curses.
3055 [22:24:13] <user_Max> greycat, I smoke cigarettes :P
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3057 [22:24:18] * _abc_ cusses a lot now, deselecting auto upgrade selected packages using ':' manually
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3059 [22:24:29] <greycat> totally different animal. a curses program doesn't need to talk to someone else's X server.
3060 [22:24:41] <humpled> aptitude is good for finding your way around the archives
3061 [22:25:08] <_abc_> aptitude is great to shoot yourself in the foot with if caps lock is on and you tap U
3062 [22:25:16] <humpled> well
3063 [22:25:20] <_abc_> Which idiot decided not to implement the reverse of U?!
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3066 [22:27:23] <user_Max> someone told me to not using apt and aptitude (or other), but choose one of them, because later they can damage the dependencies of packages
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3071 [22:29:15] <karlpinc> user_Max: No, it does not really matter.
3072 [22:29:35] <dvs> user_Max, I'd agree with that.
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3074 [22:30:14] <user_Max> karlpinc, I think I has problem with that, but was many years ago, and aptitude was a new thing
3075 [22:30:27] <karlpinc> user_Max: One difference is that aptitude was designed to remove packages installed only because of dependencies when the depending package is removed. apt-get does not. I don't know what apt does.
3076 [22:30:50] <greycat> I think at one point they had separate means of putting packages on hold. Or maybe that was APT and dpkg that had the difference.
3077 [22:30:55] <karlpinc> user_Max: Yes, there was a difference long ago. And the difference with respect to what "hold" ment lasted a long time. But that's over.
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3083 [22:32:41] <zellfaze> What is the recommended MTA for Debian?
3084 [22:32:48] <greycat> whatever you like
3085 [22:32:50] <karlpinc> user_Max: I tend to use aptitude because it removes unused dependent packages and is not so verbose as apt.
3086 [22:32:53] <zellfaze> Or is there just a page on the Debian wiki for setting up a mail server.
3087 [22:32:55] <user_Max> apt - apt-get is not the same things?
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3089 [22:33:06] <greycat> apt-get and apt are very very similar
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3092 [22:33:42] <karlpinc> zellfaze: exim4 is the default. You can use what you like. (I like postfix but if you're doing something basic it does not really matter. Beyond that, use what makes sense to you.)
3093 [22:33:47] <_abc_> Wow I backed out of it manually. -120 black balls to whoever coded aptitude with no opposite action for 'U'. I'm lucky there were only 173 undo's. $god. Don't every write code like this again, please.
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3096 [22:34:03] <greycat> "apt" deletes files by default, uses colored output, has slightly different output format for some commands, etc.
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3098 [22:35:07] <karlpinc> _abc_: That's the command line. One little typo, like accidently hitting the newline key while typing "rm -rf /" after the "/", and you've committed to testing your backup strategy.
3099 [22:35:28] <zellfaze> karlpinc: For incoming mail do you use Courier?
3100 [22:36:03] <karlpinc> zellfaze: I use dovecot for imap/etc. (Your MTA does "incoming mail".)
3101 [22:36:21] <zellfaze> karlpinc: Thanks. It's been like 3 years since I last had to do this. xD
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3103 [22:36:56] <greycat> karlpinc: except it's *not* the command line. It's an interactive application.
3104 [22:37:10] <karlpinc> zellfaze: The standard rule of thumb is "don't". Running email services involves lots of moving parts.
3105 [22:37:34] <karlpinc> greycat: Ok. But I never use it that way. (And I think it has confirmation prompts, does it not?)
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3108 [22:38:02] <greycat> I don't know. I've never used aptitude interactively either.
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3110 [22:38:19] <karlpinc> zellfaze: That said, go for it. There are reasons why you'd want to.
3111 [22:38:20] <greycat> But _abc_ was talking about the behavior of the interactive part when a single key is pressed.
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3113 [22:39:26] <karlpinc> greycat: I think you have to press "U" and then "G". All the same, I won't argue. The interactive interface is painful -- not that I've suggestions.
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3121 [22:43:18] <karlpinc> greycat: I recently figured out that there are aptitude command line options for the typical aptitude-necessary actions often suggested in the release notes. IIRC, removing packages that haven't upgraded, etc. I wish the notes would not tell people to use the curses interface. It involves a lot of stumbling around for me and seems error prone.
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3123 [22:43:31] <m4ch1n3znc> its not bad if you dont know exactly what you are looking, to browse sections e.g
3124 [22:43:46] <m4ch1n3znc> like in synaptic
3125 [22:44:01] <greycat> the release notes (lately = last decade or so) say to use apt-get
3126 [22:44:06] <m4ch1n3znc> *liiking for
3127 [22:44:11] <m4ch1n3znc> *looking for
3128 [22:44:12] <karlpinc> m4ch1n3znc: I'd agree that interactive interfaces are easier to poke at with a stick.
3129 [22:44:15] <m4ch1n3znc> jesus christus
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3133 [22:44:41] <karlpinc> greycat: For upgrading, but then there's the "getting ready for the next release" section.
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3135 [22:45:08] <jmcnaught> buster release notes say to use apt
3136 [22:45:46] <karlpinc> Where are the buster notes?
3137 [22:45:59] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
3138 [22:46:19] <jmcnaught> they're just a draft obviously
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3141 [22:47:49] <karlpinc> Like here: replaced-url
3142 [22:47:50] <m4ch1n3znc> hmmm
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3144 [22:47:52] <m4ch1n3znc> replaced-url
3145 [22:47:54] <karlpinc> oops
3146 [22:48:05] <m4ch1n3znc> apt-sandboxing
3147 [22:48:16] <karlpinc> replaced-url
3148 [22:48:37] <m4ch1n3znc> is apt that unsecure that it should be sandboxed?
3149 [22:48:55] <karlpinc> It's always said something about using aptitude interactively to list and find obsolete packages. Seems now there's less specificity, which isn't helpful. (Go do this, but we won't tell you how.)
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3151 [22:49:40] <m4ch1n3znc> against what does it harden apt?
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3153 [22:50:30] <jmcnaught> I don't know how to use the aptitude TUI, but on the command line it would be "aptitude remove '?obsolete'" (or ~o). I keep this bookmarked, aptitude's search is pretty handy: replaced-url
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3157 [22:51:40] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: I like aptitude's search as well. But I find it annoying that the docs are in html. (I always read them out of /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/)
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3159 [22:52:04] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: aptitude's search also integrates nicely with debtags.
3160 [22:52:24] <jmcnaught> yeah i use debtags too
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3162 [22:53:07] <ws2k3> where would pigz write the ouput? im uncompressing an .gz the destination file is created but it stays at size 0. but pigz is running. and im seeing heavy disk io. so apparently its doing something
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3164 [22:53:33] <karlpinc> m4ch1n3znc: I can imagine that apt hardening might be useful. After all, packages run scripts included in the package at various points. If you're using the stock repos it's probably not a big deal, but otherwise it could be important.
3165 [22:54:08] <karlpinc> ws2k3: Into your current directory, likely.
3166 [22:54:47] <ws2k3> karlpinc i did pigz file.gz > /path/file that file didnt exsist yet. it was created when i ran the command. but the size stays zero
3167 [22:56:35] <karlpinc> ws2k3: If you didn't use -c (with gzip at least) then your redirecting the (pretty empty) output of pigz and it's doing what it usually does, which is un compress into the current directory.
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3172 [22:58:44] <karlpinc> ws2k3: Or maybe just un-compress the compressed file, deleting it and replacing it with an uncompressed version.
3173 [22:59:26] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I have a machine that is an NFS server and /etc/exports lists host names to allow to various shares. Every time I restart the machine, the remote hosts can't access the shares until I restart nfs-kernel-server. I suspect there's a problem in the service dependency start order, but what's the unit called that's responsible for host name resolution?
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3180 [23:00:45] <Pegasus_RPG> network.target is already listed in nfs-kernel-server.service's dependency list with a green dot
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3186 [23:01:10] <karlpinc> Pegasus_RPG: Are you running a nameserver on the box?
3187 [23:01:14] <Pegasus_RPG> karlpinc: no
3188 [23:01:19] <greycat> Pegasus_RPG: your ethernet interface must be marked "auto" instead of "allow-hotplug" in /e/n/i
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3191 [23:01:44] <greycat> !auto
3192 [23:01:44] <dpkg> Interfaces marked "auto" are waited for by things that wait for the network to be up (like systemd's network-online.target). "allow-hotplug" means the interface is removable or not always needed, so network-online won't wait for it.
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3194 [23:02:04] <Pegasus_RPG> greycat: There's a line "auto bond0" as well as "allow-hotplug bond0" right under it
3195 [23:02:27] <Pegasus_RPG> oh gotcha, remove that line
3196 [23:02:27] <greycat> default installation -> allow-hotplug -> NFS server starts before network is up -> NFS server resolves names before network is up -> name resolution fails -> NFS server never retries
3197 [23:02:39] <greycat> is bond0 an interface? what is that....
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3199 [23:03:38] <Pegasus_RPG> greycat: ifenslave, bonded network interfaces
3200 [23:03:39] <karlpinc> greycat: It might have to do with (802.11q ??) eithernet bonding, where multiple wires act like one.
3201 [23:03:49] <greycat> the things people do...
3202 [23:03:51] <Pegasus_RPG> correct, karlpinc
3203 [23:04:04] <Pegasus_RPG> redundancy and speed :)
3204 [23:04:24] * Pegasus_RPG tests without the allow-hotplug line
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3209 [23:06:12] <dff> anyone manage to get latte-dock to work in debian, from what i found from searches you need sid for it.
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3211 [23:06:43] <dff> debian stable that is
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3213 [23:07:32] <jmcnaught> ,v latte-dock
3214 [23:07:33] <judd> Package: latte-dock on amd64 -- buster: 0.8.5-1; sid: 0.8.5-1
3215 [23:07:46] <jmcnaught> dff: looks like it will be in buster (the next stable release)
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3220 [23:09:57] <Pegasus_RPG> greycat: that did not help. I still have to restart the service manually after boot
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3222 [23:10:25] <Pegasus_RPG> What else can I try?
3223 [23:10:48] <Pegasus_RPG> (I was thinking of adjusting the dependencies to ensure the network/resolver was up)
3224 [23:10:48] <greycat> then maybe it has something to do with this arcane bonding ritual you're performing... you may need to dig into how that works, and how systemd services know that it's done (or not done)
3225 [23:11:21] <Pegasus_RPG> This system was upgraded a number of times so was originally on sysv-init
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3232 [23:15:54] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: I think instead of depending on network.target you want 'After=network-online.target \ Wants=network-online.target'… replaced-url
3233 [23:16:11] <ws2k3> when i start the pigz in the correct way it doesnt realy start however i am seeing ext4lazyinit...
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3239 [23:19:55] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: Thank you. Okay, so this is my first time hacking a systemd service. When I do 'systemctl edit nfs-kernel-server.service' the file is empty (looks like a temporary override.conf) but I paste those entries in anyway and save. The dependency list doesn't change though
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3242 [23:20:29] <Pegasus_RPG> and re-issuing that edit command does show those lines again
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3245 [23:22:02] <user_Max> when I using xcompmgr I see some artifacts, how can I fix it?
3246 [23:22:44] <Pegasus_RPG> ahh, I needed 'systemctl add-wants nfs-kernel-server.service network-online.target'
3247 [23:22:56] <Pegasus_RPG> (So what use is the systemctl edit command??)
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3255 [23:29:02] <greycat> Pegasus_RPG: so network-online.target actually acted differently from network.target for you? that's interesting.
3256 [23:29:15] <Pegasus_RPG> greycat: I haven't tested yet
3257 [23:29:26] * Pegasus_RPG is installing the latest kernel security update
3258 [23:29:36] <greycat> and I've spent several minutes digging around again trying to re-discover the stuff I found last time I walked this path... I know there's something involving ifquery --list --allow auto
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3271 [23:37:28] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: that Web page also mentions allowing the appropriate "wait" service but I don't have NetworkManager installed and the systemd one is disabled
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3274 [23:37:55] <Pegasus_RPG> That is systemd-networkd-wait-online.service
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3279 [23:40:55] <Pegasus_RPG> Enabling that adds it to the dependency tree of nfs-kernel-server. Testing again...
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3284 [23:43:32] <Pegasus_RPG> Man, still no good
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3289 [23:48:05] <Pegasus_RPG> brb, gotta reboot this box too for the new kernel
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