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75 [01:01:13] <monkeystance> raspbian is making me seriously considering converting to debian
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77 [01:06:02] <jhutchins> monkeystance: It's a good solid system for getting work done.
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81 [01:08:51] <monkeystance> so do most people here use vanilla
82 [01:08:57] <monkeystance> or are you running a fork?
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88 [01:14:12] <dvs> monkeystance, everyone here should be using the vanilla version
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90 [01:16:04] <monkeystance> oh ok
91 [01:16:35] <monkeystance> they probably all have their own channels here anyway
92 [01:16:47] <rwp> If you ask a very generic Debian question such as how to use apt-cache to search for packages then we are happy to help.
93 [01:17:10] <rwp> But many questions become very specific such as how do I install some version X of Y and that is specific to each distribution.
94 [01:17:16] <dvs> rwp, right now, monkeystance is on raspbian
95 [01:17:29] <rwp> Raspbian, Mint, Ubuntu, all have their own channels for such things.
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122 [01:29:31] <metbsd> is there security fix to stable?
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234 [03:09:32] <laptop> does it make sense to encrypt hd with 1 gb ram dual core laptop
235 [03:09:44] <laptop> 5200 HD 40 gb
236 [03:09:50] <laptop> I want to encrypt
237 [03:09:55] <laptop> I tried it and it is slower
238 [03:09:58] <laptop> and computer freezes
239 [03:10:04] <laptop> what about encrypting swap
240 [03:10:10] <laptop> does that slow it down a lot
241 [03:10:13] <ksk> running encrypted will always be slower, the question is if you can live with that slowness
242 [03:10:17] * abrotman wonders if laptop knows you can put more than five words on a line ..
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244 [03:10:25] <ksk> !enter
245 [03:10:25] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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247 [03:10:54] <laptop> ok, sorry, will not do that, but encrypting swap a good idea it seems but will that slow your computer down a lot?
248 [03:11:05] <ksk> encryption should not use too much ram, but 1G is really not much to begin with :(
249 [03:11:10] <abrotman> probably more about your CPU than the other bits
250 [03:11:23] <laptop> yes but when i do not encrypt my computer runs okay
251 [03:11:26] <abrotman> laptop: We can't answer if it's worth it, it's your data
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254 [03:12:28] <laptop> what about encrypting grub or grub password, can this be bypassed
255 [03:12:49] <ksk> sure, one needs just to remove the hdd from your pc, and put it into another one.
256 [03:12:55] <ksk> (or boot a linux livecd9
257 [03:13:21] <laptop> well I just need to encrypt one program firefox
258 [03:13:41] <ksk> !luks
259 [03:13:41] <dpkg> Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. replaced-url
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261 [03:14:11] <laptop> can you encrypt one program and one program only
262 [03:14:34] <abrotman> the program or the data?
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264 [03:15:36] <Unit193> You can use something like gocryptfs/cryfs to 'mount' an encrypted directory to ~/.mozilla/, can even use libpam-mount to automount it on login.
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266 [03:15:52] <Bjornn> I'm curiou why would you want to encrypt jut firefo
267 [03:16:02] <laptop> it is the only program with private data
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271 [03:17:07] <laptop> I delete any documents I download
272 [03:17:11] <laptop> and put the rest in email
273 [03:17:30] <Bjornn> big tech read email tho
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275 [03:18:05] <laptop> you know the only problem with crypting a f using truecrypt is someone can get access to your key no if th
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280 [03:19:24] <Unit193> Not the fork, VeraCrypt (or CipherShed?)
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285 [03:20:37] <Bjornn> I'l have to google thi, I'm intriguged.
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287 [03:21:38] <vandemar> Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
288 [03:21:38] <vandemar> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
289 [03:21:38] <vandemar> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
290 [03:21:38] <vandemar> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
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293 [03:22:33] <abrotman> neat spam ..
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295 [03:23:13] <ksk> started yesterday, really brainded.
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299 [03:24:27] <vandemar> Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
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301 [03:24:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o abrotman
302 [03:24:29] *** abrotman sets mode: +b *!*@osfree.org
303 [03:24:29] *** valerius was kicked by abrotman (you should know better)
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305 [03:24:39] <abrotman> drat
306 [03:24:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o abrotman
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308 [03:25:04] <Unit193> Sorry.
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316 [03:25:55] <vandemar> themill suck my dick
317 [03:25:58] <vandemar> Hey, I am vandemar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
318 [03:25:58] <vandemar> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
319 [03:25:58] <vandemar> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
320 [03:25:58] <vandemar> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
321 [03:25:58] <vandemar> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar hey
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323 [03:26:43] <ksk> abrotman: the-mill did set "+q $~a" yesterday, if that helps..
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328 [03:30:59] <valerius> Indeed, they finish Nginx development, or is it desinformation?
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330 [03:31:22] <ksk> valerius: do you have any source, aside from irc spam?
331 [03:31:47] <valerius> It would be strange if Nginx team would use spambots for that
332 [03:31:52] <ksk> if not, you should think about your aquiring of informaion techniques.
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334 [03:32:18] <valerius> ksk no, just wondered where this strange info comes from
335 [03:33:09] <abrotman> Spam, ignore it, move on
336 [03:33:17] <Deihmos> damn
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355 [03:48:44] <Benedict> hi im stuck in the debian setup
356 [03:48:58] <Benedict> i made an encrypted volume over the entire drive in manual partitioning
357 [03:49:00] <Benedict> but i can't remove it
358 [03:49:12] <Benedict> since i forgot to make unencrypted /boot
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362 [03:50:05] <Benedict> replaced-url
363 [03:50:12] <Benedict> how do i remove the crypt partition so i can make a /boot ?
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369 [03:53:17] <Benedict> bug from 2008 STILL not fixed 11 years later? replaced-url
370 [03:53:44] <jmcnaught> Benedict: did you look under "Configure encrypted volumes"?
371 [03:53:49] <Benedict> that has no option to delete
372 [03:53:52] <Benedict> only create
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374 [03:54:25] <Benedict> replaced-url
375 [03:54:30] <Benedict> bug that nobody wants to fix it seems
376 [03:54:31] <Benedict> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
377 [03:55:03] <jmcnaught> I would try deleting the 31.9 GB ext4 first then look under configure encrypted volumes again
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379 [03:55:20] <Benedict> there is no way to delete it
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381 [03:55:39] <Benedict> selecting "do not use partition" just resets it back to ext4
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383 [03:55:58] <jmcnaught> Or you could use the go back button, then select partitioning from the main menu again
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423 [04:35:34] <k-man> often when i print something in gnome, the job appears "paused" in the active jobs list, sits there for minutes
424 [04:35:38] <k-man> then just starts
425 [04:37:02] <UnicornS> Paul Wize is there ?
426 [04:37:36] <Unit193> Paul Wise, perhaps? What are you looking for?
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603 [07:36:28] <Terrell> test
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605 [07:38:52] <Benedict> hi need help with replaced-url
606 [07:39:02] <Benedict> i am doing this but I get error "invalid argument" after entering the password
607 [07:39:10] <Benedict> and have to type all the extra passwords
608 [07:39:39] <Benedict> here is my crypttab replaced-url
609 [07:41:16] <ksk> did you read the linked bugreport, stating "Yup, this is due to systemd's cryptsetup implementation not supporting
610 [07:41:18] <ksk> key scripts, cf. #618862.
611 [07:41:19] <judd> Bug replaced-url
612 [07:41:20] <ksk> "
613 [07:41:36] <Benedict> but it works on my other server
614 [07:41:42] <Benedict> which i am now booting to see what i did differently
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660 [08:13:22] <rant> do we have installer images that install buster yet?
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668 [08:19:13] <themill> sure, installer rc1 was released a few weeks ago
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670 [08:20:10] <ksk> rant: replaced-url
671 [08:20:17] <ksk> not too hard to find :P
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674 [08:23:39] <rant> ksk: yes but that installs buster by default?
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676 [08:25:24] <themill> I think that page even answers that exact question
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679 [08:26:53] <Pascal_1> hello
680 [08:27:40] <Pascal_1> what could be the way to launch automatically a script after a package upgrade (postgresql) ?
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682 [08:29:02] <ksk> rant: did you read what the linked webpage says?
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684 [08:30:18] <ksk> Pascal_1: mhm, Iam not aware of apt being that hookable, so to say.
685 [08:30:55] <ksk> there is postinst in the package of course, but you would need to build your own package (postgres+your script in postinst)
686 [08:30:56] <superlinux> Pascal_1, I am going to help you
687 [08:31:02] <superlinux> just wait a little
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689 [08:31:37] <themill> Pascal_1: your package or postgresql or someone else's? (what do you need to do?)
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694 [08:33:12] <Pascal_1> on each postgresql upgrade i want to run automatically a script. I dont use my owns packages but the debian packages
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702 [08:36:21] <superlinux> Pascal_1, use: apt-get -s dist-upgrade | grep '^Inst postgresql .. this will tell you whether there are any packages whose names starting with ' postgresql' are going to be installed
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705 [08:37:31] <superlinux> Pascal_1, use a shell script and save it in your cron ( cron is the systetm jobs scheduler) .
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710 [08:39:20] <superlinux> Pascal_1, the shell script should run your script based on the output of apt-get -s dist-upgrade | grep '^Inst postgresql '
711 [08:41:12] <Pascal_1> aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade | grep 'postgresql' dont seems to work
712 [08:42:35] <ksk> please no. this will make your script run repeatedly, even if you did not upgrade the package yet.
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714 [08:43:12] <ksk> if you are on to "hacking configmanagment/deployment in bash", I would advise the following:
715 [08:43:18] <superlinux> Pascal_1, !!! NO! you missed the (-s) option
716 [08:43:29] <superlinux> use apt-get.
717 [08:43:33] <Pascal_1> but i dont want simulate
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719 [08:43:52] <themill> Pascal_1: do you want this only for upgrades between minor versions or on every single package upgrade?
720 [08:44:09] <Pascal_1> each time postgresql is upgraded
721 [08:44:12] <themill> Pascal_1: I'm just wondering what you're going to automate that the maintainer doesn't feel is safe enough to automate in the maintainer script
722 [08:44:21] <superlinux> Pascal_1, simulation will only tell you whether the package is going to be updated.
723 [08:44:31] <Pascal_1> i want to launch my own script
724 [08:44:40] <ksk> but not tell us whats in there? :>
725 [08:45:08] <superlinux> if it's going to be upgraded.. you run the script.. that's the algorithm... and of course you upgrade eventually
726 [08:45:26] <ksk> superlinux showed you a way of checking if updates are pending - you could bash (chrchr) around with that and create your own update-script if you want.
727 [08:45:30] <superlinux> Pascal_1, capiche? understand me now?
728 [08:46:06] <superlinux> ksk, thanks mate.. sometimes I reach the English language barriers
729 [08:46:16] <superlinux> it's my second language
730 [08:46:19] <ksk> if you have the time and effort and willingness to change your style of working (to a degree) I would seriously advice for a config-mangment tool thogh (saltstack, chef, puppet, etc)
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733 [08:46:43] <themill> Pascal_1: apt hooks are a thing for DPkg::Post-Invoke but I'm not sure if this is really the right approach
734 [08:49:09] <superlinux> there is another way .. from dpkg --list , you can find the current version of the postgresql, then upgrade, then see if the version changed, then run the script
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736 [08:49:34] <superlinux> I think, this way is easier
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738 [08:50:09] <agio> i agree with ksk. this could easily be done in ansible with a handler call after apt changes the package state
739 [08:50:28] <agio> and other config tools prob have similar features
740 [08:50:33] <ksk> ack.
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767 [09:07:18] <superlinux> Pascal_1, open this paste.. replaced-url
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787 [09:16:51] <Pascal_1> superlinux: i prefere the dpkg way thanks for your help
788 [09:17:32] <superlinux> welcome..
789 [09:21:31] <Pascal_1> a command like that is ok according to you : dpkg --list |grep postgresql | grep server |awk '{ print $3 }'
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794 [09:23:49] <Pascal_1> may be also apt-cache policy postgresql ?
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803 [09:31:11] <Pascal_1> superlinux: and i could make that : aptitude versions postgresql
804 [09:31:37] <Pascal_1> if postgesql have to be upgrade the answer is more than 1 line. I could check that ?
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811 [09:33:44] <stemid> how do I upgrade wheezy if no mirror carries wheezy files? the first step is to always do update upgrade dist-upgrade.
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813 [09:34:10] <stemid> do I just change the sources without doing this step?
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815 [09:34:40] <a__pi> archive.debian.org i think will contain wheezy files if main one doesn't
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829 [09:42:11] <tachikomas> Hello, questions about screen, is there any way to get out of the screen without killing the terminal windows ? lets say i have one urxvt windows open, into a ssh and then a screen and an app, can i get out of the screen without loosing the screen itself and without disconnecting from the ssh ?
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835 [09:44:08] <jmcnaught> tachikomas: 'Ctrl-A D' you mean? and then 'screen -DR' to reattach
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839 [09:45:44] <tachikomas> Exacly that
840 [09:45:49] <tachikomas> Thanks
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852 [09:58:21] <stemid> a__pi: thanks that got the upgrade going.
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907 [10:37:49] <mystified1234> what do you guys suggest to play home networked media (tv & movies) plex emby oor kodi. Ive never used them before. Or something else
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931 [11:00:35] <stemid> mystified1234: I used emby for a couple years, even have the lifetime license. tried plex the last 8 months. plex was nice but I noticed it was hard to update the library when new media was added. eventually I just gave up and went back to emby where I could trigger a library scan that actually worked.
932 [11:00:59] <stemid> I still have no idea why plex isn't showing my newly added media.
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934 [11:01:13] <stemid> but it cost a lot less at least.
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979 [11:25:05] <dka_> I want to build a docker image starting from java:8-jdk docker image
980 [11:25:20] <dka_> i am having issue installing things such as curl/tmux/htop through jessi-backports
981 [11:25:24] <dka_> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
982 [11:25:27] <dka_> any idea how to do ?
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984 [11:28:27] <jmcnaught> !jessie-backports
985 [11:28:27] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but rebuilt for use with Jessie (Debian 8) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
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1101 [13:06:12] <brokencycle> Hi! A job of mine does not start. It says "Failed at step CHROOT", but I can't see where it wants to chroot.
1102 [13:06:32] <brokencycle> In my unit file, I don't have any chroot statement.
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1115 [13:12:41] <brokencycle> Likewise, it says "Changing to the requested working directory failed: Operation not permitted"
1116 [13:12:55] <brokencycle> for a directory, where every directory along the path is mode 0755.
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1119 [13:14:05] <brokencycle> In my unit file, I have RootDirectory=/ and WorkingDirectory=/path/to/local/software
1120 [13:14:06] <FinalX> brokencycle: systemd can use pretty much all namespace privilege settings that containers can, too; perhaps you have some setting turned on that protects system directories and stuff, or isolation
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1124 [13:14:34] <moldy> i am seeing this on my CI runners: replaced-url
1125 [13:14:41] <FinalX> things like ProtectHome=true
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1129 [13:15:02] <moldy> am i doing anything wrong here, or is that more likely some temporary issue on an apt mirror?
1130 [13:15:03] <brokencycle> FinalX: I don't understand. As I said, I am trying to disable all Chroot-ing. Where would I find ProtectHome?
1131 [13:15:24] <OS-46353> aha
1132 [13:15:41] <brokencycle> My local software resides in /srv, and that directory is also listed in /etc/passwd.
1133 [13:15:47] <FinalX> You just said you made a unit-file... these things can be placed in unit-files, and can cause issues like this. Perhaps you could share the unit-file
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1135 [13:17:01] <moldy> ahh, missing apt-get update, probably
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1138 [13:17:49] <brokencycle> FinalX: Ok... replaced-url
1139 [13:19:29] <themill> brokencycle: why are you setting RootDirectory at all?
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1142 [13:20:30] <brokencycle> When I created this unit file, that was the only way I could see to make ExecStart work. Let me try without...
1143 [13:21:02] <brokencycle> Taking it out makes it work.
1144 [13:21:05] <brokencycle> Ouch!
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1146 [13:21:24] <brokencycle> But it should be a NOP, shouldn't it?
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1148 [13:22:39] <brokencycle> Should I report a bug?
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1150 [13:23:35] <dka_> it says my filesystem hardrive is full
1151 [13:23:40] <themill> brokencycle: chroot(2) doesn't think it's a noop and people normally complain when systemd layers above that try to do too much magic. (i.e. the developers can't win)
1152 [13:23:48] <dka_> how can I make up space?
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1157 [13:24:59] <themill> dka_: 'apt-get clean' is a good start. Look at /var/log. Look at whether you've got excess kernel packages installed/
1158 [13:25:30] <dka_> thanks
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1160 [13:25:36] <dka_> I already did apt-get clean
1161 [13:26:46] <brokencycle> themill: That sounds weird to me. In Unix, every file system tree starts at "/". So doing 'chroot("/")' should do nothing. But I didn't check the source, and don't understand the rationale.
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1164 [13:27:17] <themill> brokencycle: try running "chroot /" as a normal user.
1165 [13:27:58] <brokencycle> That doesn't work, either. But can we please have an error message indicating the directory and user which are involved?
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1169 [13:29:20] <brokencycle> I mean, maybe I'll check what chroot(2) does under the hood. But this is (obviously) a surprise to me, and it's hard to figure out what broke, given the rather general error message.
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1172 [13:30:17] <brokencycle> Thank you for this information! I've learnt something.
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1259 [14:17:49] <rootkea> Hello! I'm using ClamAV 0.100.3/25448 on Debian Stretch. On my system without receiving any mail clamd consumes 950+ MiB memory. I searched and found that people had similar complaints for clamd consuming 250+ Mb memory! Clearly, some configuration is very wrong on my end. How do I make clamd use less memory?
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1267 [14:26:03] <abrotman> rootkea: there is a #clamav that might be more help (fewer people though)
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1269 [14:26:54] <rootkea> abrotman, Oh okay. Thanks!
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1276 [14:35:16] <jelly> rootkea: 950MB of which memory? RES?
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1280 [14:36:21] <rootkea> jelly, The one reported by gnome-system-monitor
1281 [14:36:31] <jelly> and that is...?
1282 [14:36:40] <jelly> rootkea: what does top command say?
1283 [14:36:43] <jelly> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S PU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
1284 [14:36:44] <jelly> 1138 clamav 20 0 967292 861220 5780 S 0.0 33.2 220:47.67 clamd
1285 [14:37:37] <rootkea> Ah, I killed the clamd. Let me reboot to let clamd start with it's initial command line.
1286 [14:38:05] <rootkea> Brb
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1305 [14:47:33] <Sepultura> Hallo. Linux will remove ATA Kernel drivers :O
1306 [14:47:35] <rootkea> jelly, top o/p:
1307 [14:47:37] <rootkea> 8164 clamav 20 0 1255316 988.1m 31296 S 0.0 25.9 0:50.44 clamd
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1313 [14:50:57] <rootkea> jelly, By memory percentage your clamd looks more expensive. 33%!
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1318 [14:53:11] <dvs> only 4GB?
1319 [14:53:11] <gour_> here clamd uses ~700MB
1320 [14:54:09] <rootkea> dvs, Dell Inspiron laptop from 2010
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1324 [14:55:50] <rootkea> gour_, Which version? Without any active scan clamd is using ~1 Gb here :(
1325 [14:56:08] <gour_> rootkea: buster
1326 [14:56:37] <gour_> 0.101.2
1327 [14:56:52] <gour_> i see it looks like normal... replaced-url
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1332 [14:57:40] <rootkea> gour, That OP is complaining for clamd using >200 MB memory. 200+ and 950+ huge difference!
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1335 [14:58:02] * gour nods
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1341 [14:58:34] <rootkea> May be I need to tweak something in clamd conf?
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1371 [15:00:15] <jelly> rootkea: removing all the extra databases might help
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1379 [15:00:42] <jelly> but no idea really, I don't have 0.101 anywhere yet
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1396 [15:02:43] <rootkea> jelly, Oh okay. I was thinking may be I could reduce memory usage by setting some conf without removing any AV databases thereby not limiting clam's functionality/effectiveness...
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1399 [15:03:05] <shibboleth> anyone know why deb is stuck on wpad/wpa_supplicant 2.6?
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1403 [15:03:38] <shibboleth> 2.7 has been out since... 2014 and supports 11w, MAC rando, etc. libre enough for openwrt
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1407 [15:04:08] <uniqdom> hello. My computer had a heart attack and it died. It donated its hard drive to another computer. It boots fine, but can't see the graphical interface (X). I can access a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+F1. Is there something that I can do to have X again?
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1411 [15:04:48] <dvs> ,v wpa_supplicant
1412 [15:04:49] <judd> No package named 'wpa_supplicant' was found in amd64.
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1414 [15:05:08] <dvs> ,v wpasupplicant
1415 [15:05:10] <judd> Package: wpasupplicant on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2.3-1+deb8u7; stretch: 2:2.4-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2:2.4-1+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 2:2.7+git20190128+0c1e29f-4~bpo9+2; buster: 2:2.7+git20190128+0c1e29f-5; sid: 2:2.7+git20190128+0c1e29f-5; experimental: 2:2.8-2
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1418 [15:06:07] <dvs> shibboleth, looks like 2.7 will be in the next stable
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1424 [15:08:13] <shibboleth> buster?
1425 [15:08:25] <shibboleth> next *next* stable?
1426 [15:08:27] <themill> and also in stretch-backports
1427 [15:08:32] <shibboleth> alright then
1428 [15:08:58] <shibboleth> suppose they had te, re WPA3
1429 [15:09:00] <gour> shibboleth: buster has 2.7, sid 2.8
1430 [15:09:01] <shibboleth> had to
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1463 [15:27:53] <rootkea> jelly, gour, Just mailed to clamav-users list. I'll report back if something useful turns up. :)
1464 [15:30:51] <gour> rootkea: thanks ;)
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1479 [15:45:12] <wr> how can i install omemo on debian 9.9?
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1481 [15:48:18] <themill> isn't omemo a protocol?
1482 [15:48:19] <Marlin1113> wait, i can use zypper on debian?
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1484 [15:48:51] <greycat> if you can tell us what it means to "install omemo", like the name of a file that should be present, we can search for a package containing that file
1485 [15:49:29] <greycat> or, the standard fallback...
1486 [15:49:34] <greycat> wr: what are you trying to do?
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1488 [15:50:14] <wr> greycat, need omemo on dino.im
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1490 [15:51:42] <greycat> since "dino-im - modern XMPP client" was one of the results I got when I ran "apt-cache search omemo", I guess this has something to do with the dino-im package which is apparently an ... "XMPP client"?
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1492 [15:51:55] <wr> greycat, themill replaced-url
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1494 [15:52:44] <themill> wr: if that's what you mean by "install omemo"... that is installing omemo into the gajim client.
1495 [15:52:46] * greycat notes that "what are you trying to do" never got answered
1496 [15:53:04] <wr> themill, i need it on dino.im
1497 [15:53:10] <greycat> you're going in circles
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1499 [15:54:16] <greycat> !xmpp
1500 [15:54:16] <dpkg> Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP, originally Jabber) is an open communications protocol based on <XML> for message-oriented middleware. replaced-url
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1503 [15:54:34] <themill> wr: dino-im is not in stretch at all
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1505 [15:54:42] <wr> omg
1506 [15:54:46] <greycat> ,v dino-im
1507 [15:54:47] <judd> Package: dino-im on amd64 -- buster: 0.0.git20181129-1; sid: 0.0.git20181129-1
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1510 [15:55:32] <wr> buster?
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1513 [15:55:48] <EdePopede> next stable. on the way.
1514 [15:55:54] <themill> versions that start with "0.0
1515 [15:55:58] <themill> are always fun
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1517 [15:56:16] <EdePopede> yay, down to 115 bugs
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1519 [15:56:40] <themill> Fun fact... there are versions lower than 0.0 in debian, but …
1520 [15:56:47] <greycat> The description for "dino-im" says "It does support OMEMO and OpenPGP for end-to-end encryption."
1521 [15:56:51] <greycat> (in buster)
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1528 [16:00:14] <wr> greycat, if i don't have any package omemo on stretch what would be proper way to install?
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1530 [16:00:27] <jelly> 0.0~git20190231~dfsg0-1~0.jelly.1 ?
1531 [16:00:38] <greycat> I've never heard of ANY of this stuff until now.
1532 [16:01:40] * jelly wonders if 8=D~ is a valid version number
1533 [16:01:44] <greycat> Near as I can tell, you found some upstream or third-party version of dino-im outside of Debian and installed it, and it doesn't have all of the features of the buster version. So, your first bet would be to get a newer upstream release. Probably.
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1536 [16:03:14] <wr> greycat, replaced-url
1537 [16:03:28] <greycat> so dino.im is a web site
1538 [16:04:16] <greycat> replaced-url
1539 [16:04:28] <greycat> is like two clicks from their home page
1540 [16:06:11] <greycat> if you keep clicking on the debian>=9 stuff it tells you how to add a third-part repository and install their package from there... I cannot vouch for its quality
1541 [16:06:43] <themill> jelly: = is not ;)
1542 [16:06:50] <wr> greycat, i have dino installed, what i miss is omemo
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1546 [16:07:39] <greycat> so you're saying that the nightly builds provided by their third-party repository are missing that functionality? then you need to talk to THEM.
1547 [16:08:07] <Tenkawa> hi a
1548 [16:08:10] <Tenkawa> ll
1549 [16:08:12] <greycat> you also need to learn how to communicate
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1552 [16:08:58] <Tenkawa> greycat: my
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1554 [16:09:20] <Tenkawa> is my text coming out ok?
1555 [16:09:32] <jelly> Tenkawa: mostly.
1556 [16:09:36] <Tenkawa> this client id
1557 [16:09:39] <Tenkawa> uggh
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1559 [16:09:44] <jelly> too many enters, though
1560 [16:09:49] <Tenkawa> its clumsy
1561 [16:09:54] <Tenkawa> ipad
1562 [16:10:06] <__m4ch1n3__> #applehipster
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1565 [16:10:17] <wr> greycat, yes
1566 [16:10:27] <Tenkawa> all i have with me atm
1567 [16:10:43] <Tenkawa> my gear is all put up
1568 [16:11:02] <Tenkawa> oooh thats better
1569 [16:11:04] <__m4ch1n3__> i was just joking ;3
1570 [16:11:17] <Tenkawa> found the full window switch
1571 [16:11:50] <Tenkawa> i was only getting like a third of the screen
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1576 [16:14:39] <Tenkawa> __m4ch1n3__: nah doesnt bother me.. i actually spend most of my time in fixing apple stuff for people
1577 [16:15:05] <Tenkawa> heehee
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1580 [16:16:22] <Tenkawa> bbialw
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1632 [16:50:38] <Sepultura> any hebrew Guy here?
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1635 [16:51:09] <dvs> ???
1636 [16:51:20] <OpenVms> Sepultura: hi israeli.
1637 [16:51:25] <Sepultura> How is the Debugging in hebrew? does the Debugger writes the string from right to left?
1638 [16:51:41] <Sepultura> Just wondering how Israeli Coders see hebrew strings
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1640 [16:53:04] <wr> update-rc.d -f apache2 remove, would this be the correct command to stop a program autostart on login?
1641 [16:53:18] <greycat> *what*
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1643 [16:53:46] <greycat> Can we start with "Why do you believe that LOGINS have anything to do with apache2?"
1644 [16:54:21] <_alx_> I'm looking for documentation or guidance in relation to creating users and groups in a production level environment for web services. I would like to avoid Stack Overflow and digital ocean posts if possible.
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1646 [16:55:24] <greycat> After that we can move to "Why do you think update-rc.d has anything to do with logins" and/or "Why are you using update-rc.d on a systemd release"
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1652 [16:58:50] <greycat> If I go out on a limb and rewrite your question to say "How do I stop apache2 from starting at BOOT (not login)" then the correct answer, since you said you're on stretch, is "systemctl disable apache2"
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1654 [16:59:36] <greycat> This is, of course, assuming you didn't swap out the stretch init system.
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1670 [17:05:24] <linuxthefish> hey, is it possible to install ffmpeg with avfoundation on debian 9.8 ?
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1673 [17:05:45] <linuxthefish> I'm trying to stream my webcam, but when I use the motion package the image is all washed out
1674 [17:06:08] <evaluate> Hello.
1675 [17:06:13] <dvs> 9.8 is old!
1676 [17:06:24] <greycat> Debian 9.x is the current stable release.
1677 [17:06:37] <greycat> 9.8 just means he hasn't done an apt-get update/dist-upgrade in a little while.
1678 [17:07:01] <linuxthefish> yeah linux-image-4.9.0-9-686-pae is to install
1679 [17:07:14] <linuxthefish> I normally run unstable on my home server for messing around
1680 [17:07:45] <linuxthefish> I have 100mbit up and down with cheap power and I've run out of things to use it for!
1681 [17:07:45] <evaluate> I'm trying to write a small application in go which would run during the installation (in late_command) to ask the user a question and do some configuration based on that. I am kinda stuck though trying to find any pointer on how to run debconf command from golang, does anyone have any pointers on this?
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1684 [17:09:41] <evaluate> I have glanced over the /usr/share/debconf/confmodule script, which contains the routines I would need (like db_x_loadtemplatefile, db_get, etc.), but I am quite confused about how that actually works and how I would translate it into golang. Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
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1694 [17:14:59] <linuxthefish> argh it's so hard to just take a picture with my webcam from command line :'(
1695 [17:15:12] <linuxthefish> "movie writer initialisation failed" with streamer, and using motion the image is all washed out!
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1716 [17:24:17] <faranbrygo> Hello :wave:
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1808 [18:04:27] <dka_> Hi
1809 [18:04:32] <dka_> I would like to install git on debian:stretch
1810 [18:04:50] <dka_> But the version available is obselet
1811 [18:05:02] <dka_> any idea how I can access a recent version without needing to build from source?
1812 [18:05:43] <dka_> The latest on debian repo is 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u4, while the one we want is 2.20.1
1813 [18:05:53] <milkt> ,v git
1814 [18:05:54] <judd> Package: git on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u7; stretch: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:2.20.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:2.20.1-2; sid: 1:2.20.1-2; experimental: 1:2.21.0+next.20190425-1
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1818 [18:06:23] <gour> dka_: from backports - replaced-url
1819 [18:06:38] <dka_> yeah, but everytime I use backports, then it get deprecated at some point
1820 [18:07:10] <themill> in the same way as every Debian release does?
1821 [18:07:11] <dka_> Is there another way which fir for LTS?
1822 [18:07:43] <dka_> why does debian keep the stable version of git obselete? Why backports git never get into stable over the time?
1823 [18:07:46] <themill> "LTS" is incompatible with "must have new shiny". You pick LTS releases when you can't change things.
1824 [18:08:01] <dka_> by LTS, I mean long term support, not the brand
1825 [18:08:06] <dka_> or the product
1826 [18:08:07] <themill> Sure.
1827 [18:08:23] <dka_> My use case is that I am building a docker image for development purpose, it is use within gitlab-ci runner
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1829 [18:08:35] <dka_> I want to have jdk8, node/npm, and many build tools in it
1830 [18:09:10] <themill> so you need a peculiar mixture of brokenly ancient and brokenly recent.
1831 [18:09:11] <dka_> every year I have issue due to the way I use backports, this is the reason why I have done a new image today, because old backports were disabled
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1833 [18:09:32] <themill> jessie-backports were discontinued a year ago, yes.
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1835 [18:10:09] <dka_> yes, and jessie-backports never went to stable, neither in stretch. I need to be able to keep building, without such kind of issue, and the most reliable task to get the latest git version was to build from source
1836 [18:10:15] <dka_> but this makes our docker image build very long
1837 [18:10:43] <themill> the entire point of backports is that they do not get incorporated into the stable release. stable is unchanging.
1838 [18:10:45] <dka_> In fact I only need a recent git version, can't use the one older than a year
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1840 [18:11:03] <dax> out of curiosity, why?
1841 [18:11:09] <dka_> but latest git version are stable, while distributed one is unstable, that's a fact
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1843 [18:11:36] <themill> dka_: no, they introduce new things and they break old things (either accidentally or on purpose)
1844 [18:11:40] <dka_> because git client is getting evolution and now required in many libs, since debian never updated their stable version, those tools needs new git version
1845 [18:11:46] <themill> dka_: "stable" is one thing they are not.
1846 [18:11:59] <themill> *precisely* what is needed from a newer git.
1847 [18:12:12] <dka_> I've been using both and the one difference I notice is not broken command but missing command
1848 [18:13:12] <dka_> anyhow, how can I enable backports in non tty (docker) in stretch from command line?
1849 [18:13:50] <themill> is there not a stretch-backports enabled image as a starting point?
1850 [18:14:33] <annadane> the expert installer offers it
1851 [18:14:47] <annadane> well, expert install
1852 [18:15:19] <dka_> I still think there are no good reason for debian keeping an old obselete version of git in stable branch over debian version
1853 [18:16:00] <dka_> it should have been upgrade long ago. in how many debian stable version will they keep git 2.1 over git 2.20?
1854 [18:16:02] <themill> dka_: there are.
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1856 [18:16:35] <dka_> themill name one. Because all git command that I know are perfectly working.
1857 [18:16:46] <annadane> it's really just a matter of policy, if you start arbitrarily deciding to upgrade x package in stable then why not the others, debian has a strong sense of policy
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1860 [18:17:33] <annadane> users do sometimes rely on these old programs and don't feel like upgrading immediately
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1862 [18:18:00] <themill> dka_: "that I know". Important caveat.
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1869 [18:19:37] <annadane> i have a separate question but i'll wait until this discussion dies down
1870 [18:19:48] <dka_> it is already
1871 [18:19:59] <dka_> Building from source is the safest option
1872 [18:20:11] <at0m> define safest
1873 [18:20:34] <dka_> the build from source script will remain available and working over debian new releases
1874 [18:20:49] <themill> unlikely
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1876 [18:21:38] <dka_> this is the script to install
1877 [18:21:38] <dka_> replaced-url
1878 [18:21:59] <dka_> I don't believe the git url to download the source tar will ever get 404 since microsoft bought 5 billions github
1879 [18:22:43] <dka_> I believe this script will live longer than the backport for stretch, and it will bring the same version as the build period or a new one.
1880 [18:22:44] <themill> the names of the build-deps will change, however
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1882 [18:22:58] * dax mutters something about /usr/local
1883 [18:23:05] <dka_> I believe backport can't do that, obviously I am redoing it for the second time, after 2 debian version
1884 [18:23:30] <themill> dka_: you seem to not actually want any advice, which means I'm not sure why you're asking
1885 [18:23:51] <dka_> That is true, I am making assertion.
1886 [18:24:16] <dka_> Bringing different assertion from different people bring truth, in general
1887 [18:24:17] <jhutchins_wk> If you're averse to change IT is not the feild for you. Try stonmasonry.
1888 [18:24:59] <dka_> themill, it's still unproven that git version over 2.1 will break 2.1
1889 [18:25:27] <greycat> but if you dislike change, Debian is probably the second best OS for unchangingness (stability) after CentOS
1890 [18:25:32] <dka_> Which was the original assumption you defend. Sorry I'd like to understand why things are working a certain way and not another way, so I can decide the best for my images
1891 [18:25:37] <themill> dka_: I'm telling you that's a risk Debian is not prepared to take (and I bet there are things that are broken because the on-disk structures changed)
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1896 [18:30:20] <jmcnaught> dka_: maybe the part you're not understanding is Debian 'stable' doesn't mean 'no crashes' it means 'does not change', so you can count on be able to do security updates without any surprise version bumps that change how things work
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1898 [18:31:05] <greycat> *cough* samba bind9
1899 [18:31:15] <jmcnaught> for the most part
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1909 [18:37:34] <annadane> okay so yeah, my question, do people just not use needrestart or is that the de facto lazy solution for things requiring restarts?
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1919 [18:40:47] <annadane> i guess this really isn't a good questin
1920 [18:40:49] <annadane> question, even
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1922 [18:42:28] <milkt> is it safe to add additional custom partition to the disk/usbmemory which holding debian installer iso image? or do i need further configuration?
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1940 [18:56:37] <sangy> nvm
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1947 [18:58:41] <jhutchins_wk> milkt: Worst case scenario is that you might have to re-image the USB. Go for it.
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1953 [19:02:10] <sangy> better than re-imagining the USB, which would be way worse
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1955 [19:03:11] <milkt> jhutchins_wk: i can access to both installer and custom partition mostly, but it fail to boot sometimes, and i wonder whether the disk or additional partition causing it
1956 [19:05:30] <pie3> how to know which devices are connected to bridge0? i guess every bridge is connected with 2 devices at least.
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1970 [19:12:56] <jhutchins_wk> milkt: More likely a hardware issue.
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1973 [19:13:26] <tds> sounds like you don't have any interfaces on the bridge then
1974 [19:13:48] <pie3> ok, how many maximum devices can be connected to a single bridge/
1975 [19:14:17] <pie3> is it possible to see this bridge/networking in a visual/gui representation? since i assume bridge is same as physical switch
1976 [19:14:29] <pie3> that would be more fun to understand them by visualizing it
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2038 [19:52:41] <mzajc> I have a problem with WiFi. It takes a very long time to connect to after boot (KDE just says "Configuring interface") and NetworkManager always times out when checked with systemd-analyze blame. Is there any way to fix this?
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2044 [19:55:20] <OpenVms> C#
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2060 [20:02:15] <jmcnaught> mzajc: does it happen with all networks? After booting if you disconnect does it also take a long time to connect? Were there any clues in "journalctl -u NetworkManager.service"?
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2065 [20:04:39] <mzajc> jmcnaught: Just a moment, let me dig through all of that.
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2071 [20:05:38] <freq> hello
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2076 [20:07:28] <freq> has anyone used unattended-upgrades before?
2077 [20:08:18] <greycat> !anyone
2078 [20:08:18] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2081 [20:09:13] <freq> does unattended-upgrades protect against breakage?
2082 [20:10:04] <ksk> freq: normally, a package upgrade in debian does not brake thinks. but no, unattended upgrades does not contain an AI or so :P
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2084 [20:10:26] <freq> ok. thank you ksk.
2085 [20:10:59] <ksk> also, downgrading a debian package is not (always) possible, nor desirable, so it would not really work anyways.
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2090 [20:12:16] <freq> okay. i run debian and raspbian on different boards. unattended-upgrades was mentioned by the raspbian community, so now i am testing it on both boards.
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2098 [20:17:07] <jhutchins_wk> freq: There are a few different packages that do that. It's always hazardous, and some of them will hang if there's an update message.
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2101 [20:17:43] <jhutchins_wk> freq: It's better to upgrade less often, but with someone paying attention.
2102 [20:18:19] <jhutchins_wk> freq: Subscribe to the security and/or announce mailing lists, you'll see when something important is updated and can respond accordingly.
2103 [20:18:38] <freq> jhutchins_wk: I always did manually do the work. I assume that there can be a hangup if the package diffs message comes up and no one is there to hit "q".
2104 [20:19:16] <jhutchins_wk> freq: Yeah, there's an updater that can handle that, and there's one that doesn't.
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2107 [20:19:37] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: it's always a good idea to update the security fixes
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2109 [20:19:49] <freq> Okay. I'm living in DWM and the other board is headless. There is no taskbar and everything is done via cli.
2110 [20:19:51] <jhutchins_wk> If your net connection is not all that great, there's one that just does the index update nightly.
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2113 [20:21:15] <freq> RoyK: great point, too.
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2116 [20:22:06] <RoyK> freq: you can setup unattended-upgrades to only fetch the security fixes - no problems there
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2120 [20:22:24] <freq> Very good point.
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2124 [20:25:24] <mzajc> I'm back with my long-to-connect WiFi and more research. First of all, yes, this only happens to the wireless interface. Second, journalctl did not provide any useful information regarding the problem.
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2127 [20:27:07] <jhutchins_wk> mzajc: dmeg | less, /var/log/syslog ...
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2130 [20:27:20] <jhutchins_wk> mzajc: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2131 [20:28:43] <RoyK> s/dmeg/dmesg/
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2134 [20:30:35] <mzajc> dmesg doesn't contain much info on the matter, gonna look forward
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2137 [20:31:08] <jhutchins_wk> mzajc: dmesg should show the connection negotiation.
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2140 [20:32:17] <mzajc> jhutchins_wk: it does, but there doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary
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2149 [20:38:43] <mzajc> jhutchins_wk: nope, none of these logs contain anything that would be of a hint
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2165 [20:49:25] <mzajc> One weird detail is that NetworkManager-wait-online.service will timeout at boot, but it starts up immediately when I restart it in userspace.
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2183 [21:00:33] <jhutchins_wk> mzajc: Is this on stable or testing?
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2191 [21:04:05] <jhutchins_wk> mzajc: I would guess that there's something that NM needs to be up before it can start, and it's timing out before that thing is up.
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2212 [21:21:00] <zerocool> anyone know if you can follow and also search with journalctl
2213 [21:21:19] <zerocool> like follow a specific service but also lookup specific substrings
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2215 [21:23:15] <ksk> zerocool: have a pager (less) installed. invoke yournal via "journalctl -u $unit", then use normal less syntax to search ("/$searchstring" enter)
2216 [21:23:25] <ksk> "yournal" - nice :D
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2219 [21:23:43] <greycat> did you try the obvious: journalctl --follow whatever | while read -r; do [[ $REPLY = *mypattern& ]] && printf '%s\n' "$REPLY"; done
2220 [21:23:49] <greycat> bah
2221 [21:23:54] <greycat> did you try the obvious: journalctl --follow whatever | while read -r; do [[ $REPLY = *mypattern* ]] && printf '%s\n' "$REPLY"; done
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2225 [21:24:45] <zerocool> ksk can you do that while following? using journalctl -u service -f
2226 [21:24:46] <enowaldo> What's the terminal paste site again?
2227 [21:24:59] <enowaldo> nc <site> 9999
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2229 [21:25:05] <zerocool> greycat: that makes sense if i can't do it with journalctl i'll try something like this
2230 [21:25:15] <greycat> there are many of them. If you mean "the one that has a 9999 in it" you probably mean termbin.com
2231 [21:25:17] <wr> greycat, regarding omemo someone said "It should work out of the box. It only functions for one-to-one chats or private group chats. Your server needs to support it though"
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2241 [21:30:50] <EdePopede> enowaldo: termbin.com
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2251 [21:34:10] <Ignacy> Hello! Is there a way to emulate `sudo su -` with just `sudo +options`?
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2253 [21:34:52] <Ignacy> i take that back. emulate is a wrong word. I meant for something identical to sudo su -
2254 [21:35:03] <greycat> sudo -i
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2258 [21:35:54] <ksk> enowaldo: there is also the package "pastebinit" in debian.
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2261 [21:36:47] <Ignacy> ahhh
2262 [21:36:53] <Ignacy> thanks greycat :P
2263 [21:37:17] <freq> can x forwarding be optimised for speed?
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2265 [21:37:47] <freq> I can only guess that speed is mostly dependent on the network equipment.
2266 [21:38:22] <ksk> freq: I don't know, but I think other solutions (like xtightvnc) are less bandwith intensive.
2267 [21:39:01] <ksk> freq: cant you check if your bandwith is limiting user-experience, by looking at network utilisation? ;)
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2269 [21:39:18] <freq> undoubtedly. i once forwarded steam to my raspi to fool a friend into believing that the raspi can run steam.
2270 [21:39:27] <freq> ksk, sure can.
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2294 [21:49:19] <imMute> Does anyone know of a dpkg-deb that works on windows? I have an interesting problem, and the easiest solution is going to be building the package on windows. It's a dead simple package, just a handful of files, not even maintainer scripts.
2295 [21:49:33] <greycat> *plonk*
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2315 [21:59:02] <mzajc> jhutchins_wk: any guess as to what that would be?
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2335 [22:09:26] <zerocool> okay how about this one, i set logging level for specific service to 'DEBUG' and i can see it in journalctl but it's no longer going to syslog, any idea what controls that?
2336 [22:09:49] <zerocool> from what i can tell it should be going to file unless another admin changed something in the past which is possible
2337 [22:09:59] <greycat> "no longer going to syslog", or "my rsyslogd isn't logging DEBUG"?
2338 [22:10:29] <greycat> typically a syslog config skips debug messages unless those are specifically requested, and will usually go into a special debug log
2339 [22:10:33] <zerocool> greycat: i mean it's not showing in /var/log/syslog anymore, if i set to info it does
2340 [22:11:01] <zerocool> ahhh, i will check there, thank you again greycat
2341 [22:11:25] <greycat> /var/log/debug* may exist and may or may not have content
2342 [22:11:35] <greycat> also look for "debug" in /etc/rsyslog.conf and friends
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2345 [22:12:20] <Amandaaa> Check my story. You will be amazed how it ends. You will see my nice boobs & clean WET pussy in the end. 18+ only!!! ---> replaced-url
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2351 [22:13:46] <zerocool> if the service is named myservice i just add it to /etc/rsyslog.conf under rules as `myservice.*`?
2352 [22:13:57] <mzajc> Amandaaa: let's not
2353 [22:13:58] <greycat> gods NO. read the man pages.
2354 [22:14:10] <greycat> mzajc: don't respond to already-vanished spam bots
2355 [22:14:50] <greycat> zerocool: "man syslog" and/or "man logger" and/or "man rsyslog.conf"
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2357 [22:15:04] <zerocool> already on it, thanks
2358 [22:15:40] <jmcnaught> zerocool: just wondering, if you're getting the DEBUG messages in the journal isn't that good enough? You probably don't want DEBUG turned on forever
2359 [22:16:07] <McErroneous> why does "service --status-all |grep ? " is show first 5 results only ? i know the question mark should be escaped, but it still works for the first 5 results, is that not funny ? how come ? any reports of links regarding that problem ?
2360 [22:16:38] <zerocool> jmcnaught: im trying to collect a specific set of information from debug and it's kind of mixed in with unrelated information and moving at 3943982 lines per second
2361 [22:16:44] <McErroneous> reports or links regarding that issue...
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2363 [22:17:32] <greycat> McErroneous: your unquoted ? may match one or more files in your current directory, in which case the resulting grep command could do *anything*
2364 [22:17:43] <greycat> McErroneous: try echo ? to see what it expands to
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2368 [22:19:33] <mzajc> Either way, can anyone help me solve my issue with the NetworkManager-wait-online service. It times out and fails on boot, but starts immediately when manually restarted in userspace.
2369 [22:19:36] <DammitJim> for a file server, should I use xfs or ext4?
2370 [22:19:50] <DammitJim> I've always used ext4 but someone mentioned xfs recently...
2371 [22:20:12] <McErroneous> greycat, question 1= yes, question2 = echo 2 ( unquoted) results in " 1 2 " on the prompt
2372 [22:20:15] <annadane> mzajc, i guess you can maybe also try #systemd if #debian turns out to be clueless
2373 [22:20:39] <apollo13> mzajc: in userspace like after you logged in?
2374 [22:20:41] <annadane> that's not especially helpful though
2375 [22:20:43] <apollo13> in the gui?
2376 [22:21:00] <greycat> McErroneous: so, if echo ? expands to 1 2 then your earlier command expands to journalctl whatever | grep 1 2 which means the output of journalctl is ignored, and grep looks for the string 1 in the file named 2
2377 [22:21:18] <apollo13> DammitJim: both probably work, rhel defaults to xfs and they probably have a reason :)
2378 [22:21:42] <apollo13> DammitJim: that said, depending on what you do on the server, btrfs/zfs could also be interesting
2379 [22:21:54] <DammitJim> interesting... the guy I was talking to loves CentOS
2380 [22:21:59] <jhutchins_wk> mzajc: Again, what release are you on?
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2383 [22:22:11] <annadane> it's fun to think about how much longer debian will use ext4 by default
2384 [22:22:14] <greycat> should also be noted that XFS is much more mature than ext4
2385 [22:22:25] <annadane> is it really? interesting
2386 [22:22:45] <greycat> XFS is a high-performance 64-bit journaling file system created by Silicon Graphics, Inc (SGI) in 1993.[6]
2387 [22:22:45] <DammitJim> xfs is more mature than ext4????
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2389 [22:22:52] <apollo13> DammitJim: note, I also use rhel at work and for me ext4 as well as ext4 usually just work
2390 [22:22:55] <greycat> 1993, dude
2391 [22:22:58] * McErroneous is confused
2392 [22:23:20] <McErroneous> greycat.. thx..
2393 [22:23:22] <greycat> McErroneous: you had grep ? which has a question mark in it, which is special to the shell.
2394 [22:23:40] <DammitJim> wow... when I was born!
2395 [22:23:46] <greycat> I *think* you said that echo ? wrote 1 2 as output. It was hard to tell, because you wrote a bunch of weird shit.
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2398 [22:24:08] <jhutchins_wk> mzajc: I see you're on buster, you should probably ask in #debian-next on oftc.net. You will have to register, which involves going to the oftc web page in addition to the regular nic identify.
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2400 [22:24:12] <activist> hi all. i am looking for a way to encrypt my Debian 9 with LUKS but at the same time i want to use a USB for /boot partition. I mean detached /boot partition with USB but i couldn't find a proper guide for this job. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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2403 [22:25:51] <DammitJim> cool... I think I'm going xfs, then!
2404 [22:25:52] <McErroneous> greycat.., sorry that is how i am...
2405 [22:26:14] <apollo13> DammitJim: that is a rather unscientific decission
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2410 [22:27:07] <DammitJim> I'll just tell the customer that apollo13 said so
2411 [22:27:23] <apollo13> oh customer system, I thought you were playing at home
2412 [22:27:31] <McErroneous> greycat, but that the command worked for the first 5 of about 70 files is still wiered, is it ?
2413 [22:27:41] <jhutchins_wk> I've seen more tools to work with ext filesystems than xfs - but just because *I* haven't seen them doesn't mean they're not out there.
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2415 [22:27:50] <greycat> by comparison, ext4 was created in 2006. ext2 started in 1993, so that's tied with XFS, but ext4 is much newer.
2416 [22:27:57] <apollo13> DammitJim: that said, I'd evaluate more. what are your requorements. snapshots etc… it's not like one would choose a FS based on the year it was released
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2419 [22:28:12] <greycat> McErroneous: what's in the file named "2"?
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2424 [22:28:43] <DammitJim> I don't really have a reason to change... ext4 has been great for me
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2428 [22:29:11] <McErroneous> hmmm.. , okay... i get it ... let me see what happens if i remove the file "2", because i might have created one while playing with redireccion....
2429 [22:29:28] <kinky_nekoboi> i am using seahorse with blank password ..but from time to time it set the password to my user login password
2430 [22:29:32] <jcb2016> guys i want to try jwm really quick but currently running mate how do i switch or change into another window manager? do i need to install lightdm or something else to be able to switch?
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2432 [22:29:42] <kinky_nekoboi> anybody knows this behaviour and has a way to prevent it ?
2433 [22:29:47] <greycat> McErroneous: you should QUOTE the ? character instead of playing with files. But also bear in mind, "?" is not a valid regular expression, so who knows what grep would do with it.
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2435 [22:30:07] <greycat> replaced-url
2436 [22:30:15] <jhutchins_wk> jcb2016: You should already have a login manager installed.
2437 [22:30:39] <jcb2016> jhutchins_wk, i have the default mate installed when i logout i can login but there is no option to change the window manager
2438 [22:30:41] <greycat> well, ... actually '?' is a valid BRE, it just doesn't mean what you might expect it to mean.
2439 [22:30:43] <McErroneous> greycat.., nice one..
2440 [22:31:12] <jhutchins_wk> jcb2016: Have you installed the other window manager?
2441 [22:31:13] <greycat> it's an invalid ERE (grep -E) but GNU grep on buster appears to accept it without error messages
2442 [22:31:18] <jcb2016> jhutchins_wk, yep
2443 [22:31:32] <jhutchins_wk> jcb2016: From a Debian stable package?
2444 [22:31:47] <jcb2016> jhutchins_wk, yep im running stable
2445 [22:31:58] <coyotea> aooooooo! my friend's usb drive isn't showing up. lsusb though does show it
2446 [22:32:03] <coyotea> help?
2447 [22:32:14] <jcb2016> don't i need to install another DM to be able to switch window managers? jhutchins_wk?
2448 [22:32:17] <jhutchins_wk> jcb2016: I'd check the account/login settings menu then (I'm not familiar with mate).
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2450 [22:32:53] <jhutchins_wk> jcb2016: Not afik. Light should be able to handle it. The button/box/menu might not be obvious.
2451 [22:33:19] <greycat> jcb2016: either put the appropriate line in your .xsession if you use one, or do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
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2453 [22:34:04] <greycat> I don't think lightdm has switchers for regular window managers; just for big ol' honking Desktop Environments (x-session-manager)
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2455 [22:34:13] <jcb2016> ok
2456 [22:34:31] <jcb2016> i just changed the dm with the update-alternatives. let me check
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2459 [22:35:09] <jhutchins_wk> jcb2016: I think you can configure session= in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf as well.
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2462 [22:35:36] <apollo13> DammitJim: oh internet failed me, I took your "cool... I think I'm going xfs, then!" to serious
2463 [22:35:46] <DammitJim> ;)
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2465 [22:36:20] <apollo13> DammitJim: then again IRC :D
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2484 [22:45:35] <annadane> i can see icewm on my lightdm
2485 [22:45:55] <greycat> OK, guess I was wrong then. I thought it only showed x-session-manager entries
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2488 [22:46:54] <jhutchins_wk> coyotea: I usually look in dmesg to see what the kernel thinks has been done with it.
2489 [22:47:16] <jhutchins_wk> coyotea: Depending on your desktop/file manager, you may need to mount it manually.
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2537 [23:04:55] <chana> could anyone here help me with an ipsec issue? its not exactly debian related exactly, though one of the systems is debian
2538 [23:05:16] <apollo13> chana: I assume the software is strongswan?
2539 [23:05:21] <chana> yes
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2541 [23:05:36] <apollo13> then you are better off in #strongswan unless it is very debian specific
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2543 [23:05:58] <chana> no one seems to be responding there
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2545 [23:06:32] <apollo13> just because you got no answer in 10 minutes?
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2547 [23:07:00] <chana> because im looking for help?
2548 [23:07:44] <apollo13> so what? you are not paying for an answer and ten minutes is to much to wait? XD
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2556 [23:08:48] <chana> apollo13: is it illegal to ask for help in more than one place
2557 [23:08:49] <chana> ?
2558 [23:09:14] <ksk> no, but we do not like crossposting in here anyways.
2559 [23:09:22] <apollo13> it's kinda rude ;) anyways, what I am trying to say is that quite a few people are active in #strongswan during UTC times
2560 [23:09:41] <apollo13> and eleven pm is kinda late for that, so you will have to be patient
2561 [23:09:47] <EdePopede> your assumption that "no one seems to be responding there" just because you didn't get your answer after 10 minutes as it seems, is simply incorrect.
2562 [23:10:09] <chana> ...
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2568 [23:12:22] <ksk> chana: irc is totally fine to be used asynchronously. you can ask a question, and people have the possibility to answer hours or even days later - and will do so if they think they can help.
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2570 [23:13:01] <chana> ksk: i understand that i just thought i would come to a channel with a few more people to see if anyone was available
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2572 [23:13:14] <chana> but it seems that people here are more instersted in just picking on someone than helping
2573 [23:13:30] <ksk> you should not assume that.
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2575 [23:14:01] <chana> that is how it appears to me, im not demanding help, just asking, if you dont want to help then thats fine
2576 [23:14:12] <chana> but if you want to have a whole meta-conversation about something else, thats silly
2577 [23:14:35] <ksk> its actually helping you to get more answers, but I will drop it now :P
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2579 [23:14:54] <avu> chana: they are not demanding you taking part in that conversatin, just offering, if you don't want to participate then that's fine
2580 [23:14:57] <avu> ;p
2581 [23:15:11] <EdePopede> you've been pointed to your wrong assumptions. first step to help is to know about the topic. and i don't even know what strongswan is, and i'm sure most users don't know it either, if they don't have to do anything with it
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2583 [23:15:35] <chana> EdePopede: then why are you even part of this conversation
2584 [23:15:52] <chana> heaven forbid i ask to ask in two different channels
2585 [23:16:08] <EdePopede> the alternative would obviously have been to not react at all, leaving you with 2 channels where "no one seems to be responding" instead of just one
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2588 [23:17:14] <EdePopede> and there are also users asking and leaving after 10 minutes or half an hour or whatever. only to return the next day and leaving again. to repeat the game on the following game again.
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2590 [23:17:25] <EdePopede> s/game/day/
2591 [23:17:55] <chana> EdePopede: which is not what im doing im just looking for help
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2596 [23:19:02] <r15> hi, i created a bootable iso using bootcd, want to add an option for the installatin from live bootcd
2597 [23:19:28] <r15> which package/s would provide install to disk option?
2598 [23:19:34] <EdePopede> right. ask, wait for the answer. ask again after some time, but not after 10 minutes. fluctuation of regulars usually is not that high. irc is teatime friendly. take scound and a cup and enjoy your staying until someone has an answer for you.
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2600 [23:19:56] <chana> EdePopede: i dont need a lecture on using irc, thanks
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2602 [23:20:49] <m4ch1n3znc> > webirc
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2604 [23:20:54] <m4ch1n3znc> :D
2605 [23:21:01] <EdePopede> pst!
2606 [23:21:12] <chana> yeah not on webirc... sorry
2607 [23:22:18] <jmcnaught> chana: hey I think you should just ask your question, at this point it's clear you've also asked elsewhere. If someone can and wants to help, they will.
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2611 [23:23:51] <milkt> is this channel logged publicly? followed dpkg irclog link but can't see log after 2019 Feb 14
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2617 [23:26:27] <ksk> !log
2618 [23:26:27] <dpkg> Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>.
2619 [23:26:30] <ksk> !irclog
2620 [23:26:31] <dpkg> rumour has it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
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2622 [23:27:12] <ksk> mhhhm..
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2627 [23:28:35] <ksk> the oftc logging seems to work, and its admin has code at githug: replaced-url
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2630 [23:29:43] <milkt> oh yes, could see today's oftc #debian log, but not freenode #debian one
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2632 [23:31:08] <milkt> i can see some small log if specify date directly with url, replaced-url
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2635 [23:31:40] <milkt> maybe storage ran out or something ... ?
2636 [23:32:21] <ksk> "replaced-url
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2638 [23:32:41] <ksk> you can message him on icq ;)
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2651 [23:40:27] <Tenkawa> hmm dont know what happened but the 5.1.1 kernel update seem to get rid of that acpi nvidia syslog flood i was gettimg
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2653 [23:40:37] <Tenkawa> yay
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2657 [23:43:24] <milkt> not familiar with other messaging platform TwT
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2664 [23:46:21] <ksk> TwT?
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2670 [23:49:46] <milkt> crying face
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2672 [23:50:15] <ksk> I have problems parsing that, but okay :D
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2682 [23:57:04] <annadane> abolish text emojis!
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