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3 [00:02:11] <enowaldo> So, I'm finding descriptions on how to emulate *mouse* *wheel* scrolling. But not to fix the middle-mouse to behave _just as a mouse button_. For mousewheel, see: replaced-url
4 [00:02:17] <enowaldo> That's actually _not_ what I want.
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6 [00:02:27] <humpled> hrm
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16 [00:09:49] <sadtaco> replaced-url
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33 [00:16:37] <enowaldo> OK, apparently this is an evdev driver issue, possible ... at a URL I'll paste when I've got middle mouse button working as desired.
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35 [00:16:40] <sadtaco> trying to point to one of the headers folders doesn't do it, either
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42 [00:18:28] <humpled> have you checked synclient enowaldo
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62 [00:27:28] <enowaldo> humpled: No.
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67 [00:31:00] <rwp> enowaldo, I have that same desire too. And I haven't figured out how to disable trackpoint scrolling either.
68 [00:32:15] <rwp> But middle button still works as paste for me. The thing that gets in the way is control-middle is eaten by the trackpoint so can't use it for xterm menu. :-(
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77 [00:42:59] <enowaldo> rwp: That ... would be annoying. Right now _all_ my modifier keys seem to get eaten.
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79 [00:44:07] <rwp> enowaldo, I do "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp -option compose:menu ; xmodmap .xmodmap ; xset r rate 275 45" where the xmodmap file sets up control and escape and such for me.
80 [00:44:33] <rwp> add Control = Control_L Control_R and add mod4 = Super_L Super_R.
81 [00:44:55] <rwp> So maybe something is destroying your modifiers? Maybe you can add them back in?
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89 [00:50:38] <enowaldo> rwp: Given that the middle button creates no event until release, I think not. This ... has been going on for a while -- I'd first encountered this in 2016.
90 [00:52:02] <rwp> Of course I have a trackpoint so I encounter the inability to get to the control-middlebutton xterm menu whenever I use this keyboard.
91 [00:52:21] <rwp> If I plug in an additional USB mouse then the control middle works as intended.
92 [00:52:44] <rwp> So that is an idea for you. You might plug in an additional usb keyboard/mouse and see how that modifies the behavior.
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96 [00:57:03] <enowaldo> rwp: ... hrm, interesting, though I'd prefer it Just Worked.
97 [00:58:34] <rwp> Not suggesting that as a long term solution. Just a debugging tactic.
98 [00:59:11] <rwp> Note that I still haven't figured it out myself. So I am probably not the person you want helping you to figure it out. :-)
99 [00:59:39] <rwp> I am just the only person in the room at the moment.
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137 [01:15:41] <shinnok> hello
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170 [01:29:44] <humpled> filthybiscuits
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174 [01:35:46] <sadtaco> replaced-url
175 [01:35:54] <sadtaco> Would I copy the PTUUID instead?
176 [01:36:13] <sadtaco> oh wait
177 [01:36:23] <sadtaco> disregard that
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183 [01:39:56] <enowaldo> rwp: Yeah, thanks all the same.
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189 [01:41:18] <nyanwindozelinux> Hello
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199 [01:49:27] <rant> personally I was too busy trying to figure out what a taco would be sad about to regard that :D
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202 [01:51:03] <ghormoon> hi, not sure of that is feature of firmware or drivers, but when writing, touchpad stops. is it possible to toogle this behaviour somehow? (thinkpad T470s)
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206 [01:52:32] <rant> ghormoon: palm detection, and yes..
207 [01:52:51] <rant> erm well you are probably not dealing with palm detection but just disabled while typing
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209 [01:53:30] <rant> in MATE you can go to System>Prefrences>Hardware>Mouse [Touchpad] General: and uncheck Disable touchpad while typing
210 [01:53:32] <ghormoon> can i toggle that "runtime"? (echoing something somewhere ...)
211 [01:53:42] <rant> other DE probably have something similar
212 [01:53:48] <ghormoon> I've got xmonad :D
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214 [01:54:18] <ghormoon> but yeah, that sounds exactly like the behaviour i see
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220 [01:57:19] <ghormoon> find through proc and sys for "*disa*" didn't point me to anything on first sight :(
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223 [01:58:01] <rant> well near as I can tell mate-mouse-properties is modifying a dconf setting
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225 [01:59:05] <rant> probably /org/mate/desktop/peripherals/touchpad/disable-while-typing
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227 [01:59:27] <rant> alternatively it'd be an xorg setting if anything
228 [01:59:32] <humpled> just how big is the mousepad?
229 [01:59:32] <rant> its not a kernel thing
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231 [02:00:13] <ghormoon> hm, i guess i don't have dconf at all
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237 [02:01:49] <ghormoon> ah, i do
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242 [02:03:16] <rant> I'd guess this key is read by mate-settings-daemon and what it does with that idk
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244 [02:04:12] <ghormoon> i don't have org.mate though
245 [02:04:28] <ghormoon> there's org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad but it does not have such option
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250 [02:05:51] <rant> seems like mate-settings-daemon is calling /usr/bin/syndaemon when I toggle that setting
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252 [02:06:41] <rant> syndaemon - a program that monitors keyboard activity and disables the touchpad when the keyboard is being used.
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254 [02:07:01] <rant> ,find bin/syndaemon
255 [02:07:06] <judd> Search for bin/syndaemon in stretch/amd64: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics: usr/bin/syndaemon
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257 [02:07:35] <ghormoon> i don't have that package, but i'll try
258 [02:07:53] <rant> you don't have the command syndaemon?
259 [02:08:08] <humpled> xmonad is its own monster
260 [02:08:18] <rant> yes but syndaemon is part of xorg
261 [02:08:40] <ghormoon> not until now
262 [02:08:42] <ghormoon> No synaptics properties on device 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'.
263 [02:08:43] <rant> and seems to be what does this.. unless its a hw default that must be overriden
264 [02:08:52] <ghormoon> seem it doesn't want to start :D
265 [02:09:02] <rant> my thought was it was already running
266 [02:09:13] <ghormoon> i guess the daemon is a replacement if the touchpad doesn't do it in it's own
267 [02:09:33] <ghormoon> so i guess my source is one level lower
268 [02:10:01] <ghormoon> I'll try xmonad channel if they have any ieas
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270 [02:10:54] <rant> replaced-url
271 [02:13:35] <rant> replaced-url
272 [02:15:45] <ghormoon> do you have the syndaemon process running all the time?
273 [02:16:09] <rant> I disable my touchpad always so.. :P
274 [02:16:14] <rant> I hate those things
275 [02:16:18] <rant> I use the trackpoint
276 [02:16:25] <dvs> yuck
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278 [02:16:48] <ghormoon> seems I'll have to stat using trackpoint xD
279 [02:16:57] <ghormoon> that one does not disable
280 [02:17:13] <rant> ghormoon: no but it drifts
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283 [02:17:41] <rant> ghormoon: /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/serio2/drift_time is what it is on my T440
284 [02:17:48] <ghormoon> or just ait few days till i get back to my mouse :D
285 [02:17:52] <rant> if I set it to 90 I get no issues
286 [02:18:06] <rant> but otherwise after scrolling or such it drifts and its annoying
287 [02:18:36] <ghormoon> mine is at 5 now
288 [02:18:44] <ghormoon> i did not notice problms but i don't use it much
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290 [02:19:09] <rant> yes well that means if you maintain a constant pressure in a certain direction within a threshold, for 5 sec, it'll recalibrate that as center
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292 [02:19:21] <rant> so when you release it'll go the opposite way at equal pressure
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294 [02:19:32] <rant> and will take 5sec of release to recalibrate
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296 [02:20:23] <ghormoon> ah, that i would ant also higher if i use it instead of touchpad (in the case when touchpad is disabling) :D
297 [02:20:38] <rant> yeah.. I set it to 90 and never had drift
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299 [02:20:50] <ghormoon> because my only issue with the touchpad is that i installed factorio and i can't aim and mve. I don't want it to be recentering when aiming some direction 5s :D
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304 [02:21:31] <rant> one of those firmware features of the hw I wish I could just disable altogether
305 [02:21:47] <rant> if your trackpoint is ACTUALLY drifting you got bigger problems
306 [02:22:00] <rant> it should only recalibrate on load or by manual
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308 [02:22:23] <ghormoon> yeah manual would be enough (and save the values for reboots)
309 [02:22:32] <ghormoon> this should not change often
310 [02:22:46] <ghormoon> or just on boot, yeah
311 [02:23:08] <rant> well apparently the programmers of the firmware thought it should auto-calibrate constantly :D
312 [02:23:11] <rant> its annoying
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315 [02:24:51] <rant> when all this fancy stuff is designed it should be an opt-in or at very least an opt-out situation :P
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318 [02:27:29] <red66> hola
319 [02:27:32] <ghormoon> ok, not xmonad thing, but got a hint in right diretion. xinput set-prop 11 297 0
320 [02:27:41] <red66> alguien que hable espanol
321 [02:27:47] <rant> !es
322 [02:27:47] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
323 [02:28:14] <ghormoon> I'll just make some little toggle-script and bind it somewhere
324 [02:28:15] <red66> gracias
325 [02:28:16] <rant> red66: por favor usar #debian-es
326 [02:28:27] <red66> gracias
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328 [02:28:32] <rant> de nada
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330 [02:29:30] <rant> I never thought of it, but I wonder if they have factoid bots for the other language channels :P
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332 [02:30:18] <ghormoon> dunno, i never ever tried any other channel, english is my default for all it-related issues
333 [02:30:44] <rant> I should probably spend some time in them.. my language skills are crap and I spent way too much time studying other languages to not be using and retaining them
334 [02:31:20] <ghormoon> i should start spanish sometime, especially if i plan to fly to south america for half a year sometime :D
335 [02:31:21] <EdePopede> [ ok ] Starting webfs (via systemctl): webfs.service.
336 [02:31:22] <rwp> I love the syndaemon. FTW! I couldn't use a laptop with a touchpad without it.
337 [02:31:25] <EdePopede> only it is not running?
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339 [02:31:42] <ghormoon> rwp: what exactly you get from it?
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341 [02:33:14] <ghormoon> i don't have it, should i care? :D
342 [02:33:39] <rant> EdePopede: never used it but it is possible for some things to only run on demand via hooks into some larger daemon that triggers on access via portmap or such
343 [02:33:49] <EdePopede> WAT?
344 [02:34:21] <EdePopede> in the past it was like running the file in init.d with start parameter and it worked
345 [02:34:28] <ghormoon> isn't that somethling like a webserver?
346 [02:34:36] <ghormoon> that would run constantly i guess
347 [02:34:37] <EdePopede> minimalistic one, yes
348 [02:34:43] <EdePopede> so i have to reboot?
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350 [02:34:51] <rwp> ghormoon, My palm drags on the touchpad warping the mouse to undesired places and producing undesired mouse clicks. Like trying to type with a cat randomly scratching at a touchscreen.
351 [02:34:55] <ghormoon> anything interesting in journal?
352 [02:34:58] <EdePopede> debian going windows thanks to that new manageshit
353 [02:35:10] <EdePopede> emtpy logfile for that program
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355 [02:35:22] <ghormoon> rwp: i never had this issume. maybe i'll start now if i'll be forgetting this option on :D
356 [02:35:50] <rwp> ghormoon, With "syndaemon -i 20 -k -d" as soon as I type any key it disables the touchpad for 20 seconds. As long as I don't pause to think longer than 20 seconds then the touchpad stays disabled and the cat scratching at the touchscreen is contained.
357 [02:35:51] <EdePopede> was running for don't know how long. restarted it today er yesterday because don't know why. or at least tried
358 [02:36:31] <EdePopede> that's the best: Active: active (exited) since Sat 2019-05-11 13:03:15 CEST; 13h ago
359 [02:36:31] <rwp> ghormoon, If I do pause to think for a while, or push the laptop to someone else, then 20 seconds has elapsed and they can use the touchpad to move the pointer and all is good.
360 [02:36:38] <rwp> So it is adaptive technology at its finest.
361 [02:36:39] <EdePopede> since it is obviously not running
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363 [02:36:49] <ghormoon> rwp: that i had y default without syndaemon and took me now so long to get rid of it :D
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365 [02:37:15] <ghormoon> but it was like 2seconds, not 20
366 [02:37:27] <ghormoon> i would go crazy with 20
367 [02:37:58] <ghormoon> I'm just thinking how to hook up the disabling/enabling of this based on window focus
368 [02:38:01] <rwp> And I would go crazy with 2. I think the default is 5.
369 [02:38:12] <ghormoon> i guess there will be something in xmonad for that
370 [02:38:28] <rwp> The best adaptive technology is the technology that works best for you. :-)
371 [02:38:52] <ghormoon> the default is obviulsly based on how long you write
372 [02:39:00] <ghormoon> if you just press something it's like 0.1
373 [02:39:02] <EdePopede> May 11 13:03:15 tardis systemd[1]: Started LSB: Webfs simple HTTP server.
374 [02:39:05] <ghormoon> if you do lnger, maybe 1-2s
375 [02:39:11] <EdePopede> "started". no, you did NOT start it
376 [02:39:12] <ghormoon> but that is for the driver thing
377 [02:39:15] <ghormoon> not the syndaemon
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379 [02:39:49] <EdePopede> i think i'll go back to the stoneage. write a wrapper script for it with all variables and start it from there.
380 [02:39:52] <rwp> EdePopede, So in summary you ran systemctl start webfs.service, the command returned, then you ran systemctl status webfs.service, and it said what?
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384 [02:40:30] <EdePopede> i have no idea how it was started before it stopped today. maybe even autostart after install
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387 [02:40:44] <ghormoon> anyway, the driver default wa snot so bad for my usecase. except when i tryed to play a game, then it was totally unusable :D
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389 [02:40:59] <EdePopede> systemctl start webfs.service returns NOTHING
390 [02:41:14] <ghormoon> systemctl status webfs.service
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392 [02:41:41] <EdePopede> no new entries since what looks like when it was stopped half a day ago
393 [02:41:47] <rwp> EdePopede, Right. I hate that. But that is the way it is designed to work.
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395 [02:41:57] <EdePopede> hipster shit
396 [02:42:05] <rant> heh
397 [02:42:09] <rwp> systemctl sends a dbus message to systemd telling systemd to start it. Then you must ask it with status what it did.
398 [02:42:14] * rant wondered what that smell was
399 [02:42:16] <EdePopede> they should let unix devs do such stuff who know their business
400 [02:42:44] <ghormoon> some of my bozes stil don't have systemd despite being jessie. I'll need to check if i can dist-upgrade them to stretch and keep systemd pinned out :D
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402 [02:43:03] <ghormoon> *boxes
403 [02:43:03] <EdePopede> # /etc/init.d/webfs start
404 [02:43:03] <EdePopede> [ ok ] Starting webfs (via systemctl): webfs.service.
405 [02:43:09] <EdePopede> systemd is a fucking liar
406 [02:43:22] <rwp> ghormoon, What makes you think Jessie equals running systemd? I am running Jessie, Stretch, Buster, and Sid without systemd.
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408 [02:43:42] <EdePopede> because the marketing i think
409 [02:43:48] <EdePopede> "we use systemd now"
410 [02:43:52] <ghormoon> rwp: it is the default. I know i can run it without, i do it. but i didn't test it out in stretch yet, too lazy :D
411 [02:43:53] <EdePopede> everyone saying that
412 [02:44:21] <ghormoon> on laptop, i just gave up and have stretch with systemd
413 [02:44:24] <EdePopede> and it even won't let start a simple webserver
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415 [02:44:57] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: it's pretty trivial to start daemons with systemd
416 [02:45:26] <EdePopede> well?
417 [02:45:34] <EdePopede> start me webfs then
418 [02:45:53] <ghormoon> it's trivial until something goes nuts which you'd see on first sight with sys-v back then, so if youre not used to it and where to look, not always
419 [02:46:21] <rwp> It's the debug side of things which is most important. And that part was the part they left out of the million lines of source code.
420 [02:46:25] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: systemctl start webfs;
421 [02:46:36] <EdePopede> systemd is some overcomplex crap where you'd need one of these courses where you pay 150€ per day
422 [02:46:38] <rant> I'd only tried removing systemd once in jessie when I first encountered it.. and it was not pretty.. having gotten used to it, I see it tied into all parts of the system in ways I just dont see how its possible for the system to run without it anymore
423 [02:46:41] <ghormoon> can you paste systemctl status webfs.service somewhere?
424 [02:46:48] <EdePopede> dondelelcaro: guess what...
425 [02:46:52] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: if it's not starting, systemctl status webfs; or journalctl -xe
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428 [02:47:10] <EdePopede> <EdePopede> systemctl start webfs.service returns NOTHING
429 [02:47:18] <ghormoon> rant: but that's not that glorious reason to use it. because things get broken if you don't :d
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431 [02:47:26] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: you mean it doesn't output anything? That's expected.
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433 [02:47:36] <EdePopede> "is". not by me.
434 [02:47:51] <EdePopede> i expect a "OK" or a "fail" when i don't get an interface
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437 [02:48:20] <EdePopede> or is it ok for you if you order something and get no answer?
438 [02:48:23] <rant> ghormoon: no, but there arent really many glorious as you put it, reasons not to either.. most my complaints turned out to be rather moot arguments with not wanting to learn how to use something that addresses issues linux has been plagued by for ages
439 [02:48:33] <EdePopede> starting a daemon is in no way different
440 [02:48:37] <rwp> EdePopede, "systemctl start ..." never prints anything. It isn't supposed to.
441 [02:48:38] <ghormoon> rant: actually easiest way was always pin the packages before dist-upgrade from wheezy, but that's not how you should do it at this day anymore :D
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443 [02:48:46] <EdePopede> then it is broken by design
444 [02:48:48] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: that's not how systemd works, for good reason.
445 [02:48:53] <EdePopede> not the first time such happens
446 [02:48:55] <rwp> EdePopede, It is "systemctl status ..." that we need to see.
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449 [02:49:40] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: starting services shouldn't output things to the console, because that doesn't scale. if you want to output things to the console, you can combine start with status
450 [02:49:53] <EdePopede> replaced-url
451 [02:50:00] <EdePopede> as i said, nothing since it was stopped
452 [02:50:06] <EdePopede> instead of being restarted
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454 [02:50:28] <rwp> There you go. "Address already in use" Failed. You have another process running on the desired port.
455 [02:50:38] <ghormoon> but yeah, i'm also slowly giving up and have systemd on some boxes. it has it's pros and cons, so it's really mostly apout getting used to it, but still i don't like the one-ring-to-rule-them-all philosophy (and binary logs etc. :D)
456 [02:50:40] <eblip> hey could i run the same install of debian 9 for like 5 years ..and just do updates and upgrades.
457 [02:50:41] <EdePopede> doesn't scale? check if there's a terminal and then say OK or OOPS
458 [02:50:58] <eblip> or do they close the repos or something
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461 [02:51:17] <rwp> I was curious about the "doesn't scale" comment as well.
462 [02:51:49] <EdePopede> rwp, definitely not. avahi and dhclient are the only ones running
463 [02:51:51] <rwp> So what is the lsof or ss command to find processes attached to a port?
464 [02:52:03] <dondelelcaro> rwp: netstat -plunt
465 [02:52:09] <EdePopede> and this was from half a day ago
466 [02:52:11] <ghormoon> eblip: if you're ok with lts support, 5 years usually. dist-upgrades might require some changes as there's a ton of new sw coming in. depends on your usecase a lot
467 [02:52:26] <rwp> What port are you trying to use for webfs?
468 [02:52:31] <EdePopede> lsof -i -P for me
469 [02:52:33] <eblip> ah ok ghormoon
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471 [02:52:51] <rwp> Even for LTS one must upgrade through and stopping at each release individually. Can't skip releases!
472 [02:52:55] <ghormoon> i guess after LTS period is over, the repos shut off. so if you start one year before ned, you have one year :)
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474 [02:53:05] <EdePopede> rwp, was 8000 before. now it should bind to 80, didn't even touch the conf
475 [02:53:25] <EdePopede> oh, even for root 8000: # port to listen on (default: 8000)
476 [02:53:28] <dondelelcaro> rwp: logging to a console works only as long as there actually is a console and someone is looking at it; when you have thousands of machines and daemons potentially starting asyncronously, it doesn't work.
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479 [02:54:09] <EdePopede> i *have* only one machine. and i do start it from the terminal. so where's the problem?
480 [02:54:25] <ghormoon> EdePopede: netstat -lpn | grep 8000 what's listening there already?
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482 [02:54:34] <rwp> EdePopede, What does "netstat -plunt | grep :80" say? Run it as root.
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484 [02:54:58] <EdePopede> nothing
485 [02:55:17] <EdePopede> avahi. dhclient. and finito.
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487 [02:55:28] <EdePopede> and they both have their own ports
488 [02:55:48] <rwp> dondelelcaro, Huh? Where did "logging to a console" appear? No one was talking about that. Not in this thread.
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490 [02:56:18] <rwp> We were talking about standard output. Not the system console.
491 [02:56:35] <ghormoon> eblip: currently with stretch, you have about 3 years left. if you're preparing something new that's not going to production so soon, maybe start it right away on buster
492 [02:57:04] <eblip> ah no ...ghormoon 3 years will be fine
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494 [02:57:07] <ghormoon> but testing doesn't have so fast security updates, so if it's something critical, better go with stable
495 [02:57:13] <EdePopede> doing a dumb start in the shell works with both ports
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497 [02:57:32] <rwp> Testing right now is still getting a lot of updates churning through. Even during the hard freeze.
498 [02:58:00] <ghormoon> eblip: and after the 3 years, just do a copy, test dist-upgrade and see if it's ok. depends on what you're runnig there, but you have high chances
499 [02:58:19] <EdePopede> the problem is definitely systemd. without it it works.
500 [02:58:27] <eblip> i just switched from opensuse to debian on a laptop...only reason i switched was that i couldnt get the net installer of opensuse working ...but debian worked no messing ...only use the machine for basic stuff so its not important ..i just want minimum maintenance and reliability
501 [02:58:46] <ghormoon> rwp: yeah, but if it's something going to production in a year (we know corporate projects), then it's good time to start it on buster :D
502 [02:59:01] <eblip> yes that makes a lot of sense
503 [02:59:03] <rwp> For upgrades always read through the Release Notes carefully. They cover a huge breadth of detail. Really good stuff there.
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507 [02:59:27] <rwp> ghormoon, It's fine if you have someone who knows the system well and can keep an eye on it during this time too.
508 [02:59:49] <ghormoon> eblip: i never had issues with dist-upgrading laptop yet. except that i had kde 4, after dist-upgrade there was kde 5, which i hated, so i had to switch to xmonad :D
509 [03:00:08] <eblip> yes i love xmonad
510 [03:00:16] <eblip> thats what i use on my 2 workstations
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512 [03:00:24] <eblip> tidy and fast and no frills whatsoever
513 [03:00:54] <ghormoon> but for laptop, maybe I'd go for buster already, i often install testing right away for laptops on new installs so i don't have to worry later :D
514 [03:01:24] <rwp> I'm pretty happy with i3. :-)
515 [03:01:31] <eblip> it already done ..so i wont go back to it..but i will probably do that on new laptops ghormoon
516 [03:01:33] <ghormoon> or you might want xmonad from backports if you're on stable :)
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518 [03:02:36] <eblip> ill leave the laptop as gnome...its just a device i take here and there occasionally and nothing technical on it whatsoever..just browse and mail and the odd document
519 [03:03:10] <rwp> There is something to be said for "thin clients".
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521 [03:03:15] <ghormoon> yeah then it doesn't matter much. especially if you borrow the laptop to random ppl. custon-setup xmonad is not so easy to borrow :D
522 [03:03:35] <eblip> definitely ...my main machines are old as hell . but function really well with xmonad and urxvt
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528 [03:07:03] <eblip> another thing i noticed with opensuse on the laptop...as time progressed the fan started going like the clappers after 2 years
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530 [03:07:13] <eblip> hope that doesnt happen with debian.
531 [03:07:34] <ghormoon> clean it :D
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533 [03:08:09] <ghormoon> i guess firefox with open facebook can eat ennough resources no matter what os is underneath and if it gets hot ... :D
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535 [03:08:12] <eblip> it was pretty clean ghormoon, i didnt really put much on there ..just tmux ...and very few files
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537 [03:08:25] <rwp> I have noticed that in the pursuit of performance sometimes the kernel sacrifices power and things do change from kernel to kernel.
538 [03:09:18] <eblip> i have never had my installs degrade so much ...i put it down to updates not cleaning properly
539 [03:09:20] <ghormoon> yeah the defaults might differ a bit
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541 [03:09:32] <eblip> which is possibly an open suse issue
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543 [03:09:55] <ghormoon> no idea, but my collegue who has opensuse reinstalls like twice a year :D
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545 [03:10:06] <rwp> Older machines have older cpus and older cpus are not tested as thoroughly as the new set. So the older systems get broken more often.
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547 [03:10:24] <eblip> yes... it shouldnt be necesary.. i used to do that many years ago with windows
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549 [03:10:40] <eblip> but im running gentoo on my main workstations and the installs are like 4 years old
550 [03:10:49] <rwp> Which is the opposite of devices. The newest devices are not yet supported in the mainline kernel. So one wants at least a two year old system so that devices are supported.
551 [03:10:51] <eblip> and performance and everything is really good
552 [03:11:15] <eblip> ah ok
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554 [03:12:24] <DixieNormous> Activist: im having an issue connecting to you on PM? any advice
555 [03:12:40] <activist> sure.
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558 [03:13:56] <ghormoon> i consider anythin from samdybridge onwards new enough for my usecases usually :D
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604 [03:27:14] <EdePopede> what the heck is this now... copied the webfs init.d script to /usr/local, added an echo even right after the hashbang line, but still no output. after renaming it works. `which` gives me the correct answer, and /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin - no reason why the binary should be executed instead oO
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620 [03:32:31] <ksk> sys-v-rc?
621 [03:32:47] <EdePopede> yep
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623 [03:33:16] <EdePopede> but why isn't it used? it comes *before* the binary in the path
624 [03:33:25] <ksk> have fun debugging it. should only be like some hundred lines of sh/bash I suppse.
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626 [03:33:45] <EdePopede> not too much. only the usual sourcings and the case at the end
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628 [03:33:59] <EdePopede> it works after renaming, so the script is not the problem
629 [03:34:06] <agio> hi, does anyone know how to tell when the last time apt local cache was updated?
630 [03:34:19] <EdePopede> it's not even used when it has the same name as the binary
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634 [03:34:41] <kovaks> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
635 [03:34:41] <kovaks> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
636 [03:34:41] <kovaks> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
637 [03:34:41] <kovaks> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
638 [03:34:41] <kovaks> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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640 [03:34:48] <sigalot> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
641 [03:34:48] <sigalot> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
642 [03:34:48] <sigalot> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
643 [03:34:48] <sigalot> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
644 [03:34:48] <sigalot> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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648 [03:35:05] <opel> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
649 [03:35:06] <opel> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
650 [03:35:06] <opel> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
651 [03:35:06] <opel> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
652 [03:35:06] <opel> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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655 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
656 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
657 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
658 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
659 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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664 [03:36:13] <toye> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
665 [03:36:13] <toye> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
666 [03:36:13] <toye> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
667 [03:36:13] <toye> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
668 [03:36:13] <toye> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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670 [03:36:17] <ksk> some people do seem to have too much freetime :/
671 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
672 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
673 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
674 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
675 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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677 [03:37:02] <ksk> dpkg: ops we have a little spamming issue here.
678 [03:37:03] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: ksk complains about a problem (see above)
679 [03:37:11] <EdePopede> more free time than braincells
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685 [03:37:56] <ogata> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
686 [03:37:56] <ogata> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
687 [03:37:56] <ogata> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
688 [03:37:56] <ogata> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
689 [03:37:56] <ogata> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar hey
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693 [03:38:20] <carper> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
694 [03:38:20] <carper> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
695 [03:38:20] <carper> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
696 [03:38:20] <carper> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
697 [03:38:20] <carper> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar hey
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708 [03:40:31] <hooker> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
709 [03:40:31] <hooker> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
710 [03:40:31] <hooker> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
711 [03:40:31] <hooker> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
712 [03:40:31] <hooker> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar hey
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716 [03:40:36] <sarminto> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
717 [03:40:36] <sarminto> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
718 [03:40:36] <sarminto> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
719 [03:40:36] <sarminto> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
720 [03:40:36] <sarminto> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar hey
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724 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
725 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
726 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
727 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
728 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar hey
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731 [03:40:48] <caspar> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
732 [03:40:48] <caspar> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
733 [03:40:48] <caspar> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
734 [03:40:48] <caspar> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
735 [03:40:48] <caspar> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar hey
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756 [03:43:12] <indomitable> this caspar dude is a troll
757 [03:43:14] <indomitable> no doubt
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759 [03:43:18] <indomitable> nginx is not dying
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761 [03:43:52] <JonHanDin> Can you hear me?
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764 [03:44:17] <agio> (re-posting due to spam) does anyone know how to tell when the last time apt local cache was updated?
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766 [03:44:29] <perlman> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the #nginx community as its leader
767 [03:44:29] <perlman> I would like to notify all NGINX users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
768 [03:44:29] <perlman> because Sysoev declared the end of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
769 [03:44:29] <perlman> across all the open source software community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
770 [03:44:29] <perlman> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg vandemar hey
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773 [03:45:10] <milkt> what is going on here
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776 [03:45:20] <EdePopede> agio: i'd look into /var/cache/apt
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783 [03:46:31] <finisher> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
784 [03:46:31] <finisher> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
785 [03:46:31] <finisher> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
786 [03:46:31] <finisher> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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790 [03:46:37] <fcqjgjd> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
791 [03:46:37] <fcqjgjd> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
792 [03:46:37] <fcqjgjd> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
793 [03:46:37] <fcqjgjd> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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795 [03:46:45] <carayannopoulos> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
796 [03:46:45] <carayannopoulos> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
797 [03:46:45] <carayannopoulos> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
798 [03:46:45] <carayannopoulos> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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800 [03:46:48] <agio> for the srcpackage.bin file?
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807 [03:47:32] <margetts> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
808 [03:47:32] <margetts> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
809 [03:47:32] <margetts> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
810 [03:47:32] <margetts> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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814 [03:47:35] <ksk> agio: not sure if what you want is possible. Do you have another, real question hiding behind your inital one? ;)
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816 [03:47:37] <trooper> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
817 [03:47:37] <trooper> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
818 [03:47:37] <trooper> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
819 [03:47:37] <trooper> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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821 [03:47:40] <EdePopede> agio: is newer here than ctime of the latest package, so maybe yes
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823 [03:47:45] <windowsXP> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
824 [03:47:45] <windowsXP> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
825 [03:47:45] <windowsXP> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
826 [03:47:45] <windowsXP> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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830 [03:47:51] <zwiers> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
831 [03:47:51] <zwiers> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
832 [03:47:51] <zwiers> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
833 [03:47:51] <zwiers> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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835 [03:47:52] <ghassani> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
836 [03:47:52] <ghassani> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
837 [03:47:52] <ghassani> Rumors like "nginx is not dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart, ignore these
838 [03:47:52] <ghassani> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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1072 [04:28:40] <ksk> what does the mode do that mr-mill set? I understand +q, but what does that mask do?
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1080 [04:33:49] <ksk> thanks!
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1199 [04:49:11] <schulidr> clear
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1203 [04:49:38] <schulidr> whoops lol wrong terminal
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1223 [04:57:20] <_Random_> hi guys, I'm not much of a techie, I had to make a USB windows installer img, I don't use windows, I had to repair a relatives PC with it. But I wish to save the usb img as an ISO so I don't have to go through this process again. how do I save this as an iso on my linux p
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1226 [04:58:15] <ksk> !dd
1227 [04:58:15] <dpkg> hmm... dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. <pv>
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1229 [04:58:56] <ksk> there might be more fancy tools, but dd should do it.
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1233 [05:01:47] <_Random_> thanks
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1335 [06:25:20] <bigMouthCommie> so. my dad, who is blind, had an emphatic reaction to hearing espeak: "i don't want to listen to stephen hawking"
1336 [06:25:28] <bigMouthCommie> there may have been explicatives too
1337 [06:25:33] <bigMouthCommie> i found the voice variants, but i don't know how to get espeak to use them when i'm running emacspeak.
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1339 [06:25:41] <bigMouthCommie> is there a system-wide config i can use to declare --voices=female7
1340 [06:26:06] <bigMouthCommie> or does anyone know if i can config emacspeak to call espeak with --voices=female7 ?
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1354 [06:42:59] <kanliot> bigMouthCommie, i would look at the documentation for the software that uses espeak. i don't think you're actually using espeak
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1359 [06:45:44] <bigMouthCommie> kanliot, i'm using emacspeak, which asked me which tts engine to use. i told it to use espeak
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1361 [06:47:25] <kanliot> did you google changing voice in emacspeak?
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1386 [07:17:46] <bigMouthCommie> kanliot of course
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1390 [07:19:59] <kanliot> did you set dtk-default-voice?
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1394 [07:20:22] <kanliot> honestly im guessing here
1395 [07:20:29] <kanliot> there's a bunch of things to seet
1396 [07:20:31] <kanliot> set
1397 [07:22:07] <bigMouthCommie> well i'm not using a dectalk, i 'm using espeak
1398 [07:22:13] <bigMouthCommie> and there are a million voices to set
1399 [07:22:21] <bigMouthCommie> srsly its intimidating
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1417 [07:39:37] <kanliot> spend 10 more minutes on it, then ask on the mailing list
1418 [07:39:41] <kanliot> bigMouthCommie,
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1457 [08:18:21] <bigMouthCommie> kanliot: thanx
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1485 [08:51:51] <COOurb> I wanna move my system from hdd to ssd lesser size. What hsould I do?
1486 [08:52:28] <COOurb> My system is installed on software raid
1487 [08:52:37] <nkuttler> install os, copy files?
1488 [08:52:38] <COOurb> and now I have only one of the raid vlumes
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1490 [08:52:47] <COOurb> I mean, withour installing os
1491 [08:53:10] <nkuttler> why? probably faster anyway..
1492 [08:53:27] <COOurb> Too many tp configure
1493 [08:53:30] <COOurb> to*
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1557 [10:00:29] <skankhunt> how do i install keepassxc on stable?
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1563 [10:05:08] <babilen> judd: v keepassxc
1564 [10:05:09] <judd> Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1; sid: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1
1565 [10:05:17] <babilen> skankhunt: You can grab it from stretch-backports ^
1566 [10:05:50] <babilen> replaced-url
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1572 [10:09:49] <skankhunt> thank you babilen :)
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1582 [10:15:03] <skankhunt> does anyone know if it is possible to install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver on testing?
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1585 [10:17:39] <nkuttler> ,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
1586 [10:17:40] <judd> Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 304.137-0~deb8u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 304.137-5~bpo9+1; stretch/non-free: 304.137-5~deb9u1; sid/non-free: 304.137-7
1587 [10:18:16] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
1588 [10:18:17] <judd> Backporting package nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
1589 [10:18:31] <nkuttler> !tell skankhunt about ssbp
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1591 [10:19:03] <nkuttler> in your case you'd do that in testing. you can maybe even simply install the sid package..
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1593 [10:21:27] <skankhunt> i tried to upgrade to testing from stable by changing sources.list nvidia 304 didn't work then
1594 [10:21:41] <skankhunt> are you sure it will work using this method
1595 [10:22:19] <skankhunt> and is there a reason why this driver is available on sid but on testing
1596 [10:23:27] <nkuttler> dude..
1597 [10:23:49] <nkuttler> why do you "upgrade" to testing if you can't fix such problems :\
1598 [10:23:54] <nkuttler> !debian-next
1599 [10:23:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1601 [10:24:55] <skankhunt> i didnt know that at the the time, im on stable now
1602 [10:25:53] <skankhunt> i read that testing is stable enough for daily use ,that's why i had upgraded
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1612 [10:29:44] <babilen> skankhunt: If you run testing you can just pull in the packages from sid (in fact you often have to) -- Given that buster is nearing the end of its release cycle you might want to evaluate your choice of platform though. If you plan to track buster in the future (rather than testing), it would make sense to look into backporting the package
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1632 [10:39:57] <skankhunt> nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver isn't supported by any other distros,will debian keep supporting it?
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1636 [10:41:56] <sambian> skankhunt: what's your problem ?
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1639 [10:42:55] <skankhunt> i want to know if nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver will be supported in future releases
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1649 [10:50:55] <furrymcgee> what is meaning of debconf: delaying package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed?
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1660 [10:58:36] <agio> probably your package is installe - but not yet config scripts have run
1661 [10:59:00] <agio> does anyone know how to enable xml extension for php?
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1744 [11:50:24] <r00tobo> yesterday I was asking about Intel Integrated GPU for 9th gen.
1745 [11:50:42] <r00tobo> after some digging I found this replaced-url
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1747 [11:50:57] <r00tobo> meaning that CoffeeLake is already supported since 4.15
1748 [11:51:28] <r00tobo> since the official kernel for Debian buster is 4.19 then I can say that 9th gen Integrated GPU will work just fine ?
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1753 [11:55:18] <Vesog> whats there to lose if you try
1754 [11:55:33] <Vesog> shkoni tek netedy ju nimfat e tzarit
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1775 [12:08:37] <shtrb> Will dist-upgrade from stretch to buster force move to wayland ?
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1777 [12:09:14] <shtrb> asking because seen that wayland will be default at replaced-url
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1785 [12:14:44] <ayekat> shtrb: that's about what GNOME will use by default - but AFAIK one can always choose between the two
1786 [12:15:23] <shtrb> I get it, but I'm asking dist-upgrade wise
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1945 [14:21:08] <shtrb> Are the cache files for firefox's html5 player (I was watching a show, wish to replay it without internet access ) ?
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1977 [14:49:39] <afidegnum> hello, what is the best utility to backup my linux image?
1978 [14:49:48] <afidegnum> using debien 98
1979 [14:49:51] <afidegnum> 9
1980 [14:50:05] <dvs> clonezilla?
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2000 [15:03:15] <HelloShitty> Hi
2001 [15:03:29] <HelloShitty> Anyone here knows a bit about shell scripting?
2002 [15:03:48] <HelloShitty> I'm writing a small and basic script but I'm getting an error I can't fix
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2005 [15:05:44] <abrotman> There's a whole #bash
2006 [15:06:22] <HelloShitty> ok, thanks
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2008 [15:07:14] <pagetelegram> Looking for a console only debian app....everyone I looked up requires X11...any suggestions? Running on a Pocket CHIP jessie
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2010 [15:07:21] <pagetelegram> *bible app
2011 [15:08:00] <abrotman> pagetelegram: apt-cache search bible?
2012 [15:08:36] <pagetelegram> Will I know which one's are console framebuffer only?
2013 [15:09:22] <abrotman> you can read the description and requirements
2014 [15:09:35] <pagetelegram> thank you
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2028 [15:26:59] <Bodiro> What does ist mean when a package is named with dfsg? E.g. virtualbox_6.0.6-dfsg-2_amd64.deb
2029 [15:27:37] <themill> it means that the dodgy source provided by the upstream developers has been cleaned up to comply with the DFSG
2030 [15:27:40] <themill> !DFSG
2031 [15:27:40] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
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2035 [15:29:39] <Bodiro> themill: thank you for your clear answer!
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2042 [15:32:01] <Bodiro> dpkg: I knew the meaning of dfsg, but was uncertain of the special meaning in package-names. Nevertheless, thanks, too.
2043 [15:32:02] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Bodiro
2044 [15:33:15] <Bodiro> Oh, sorry - it is a bot, LOL - I am not so familiar with this rooms bots.
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2067 [15:51:49] <tsujp> Has anyone here successfully built AND run vdo on debian? I'm having some trouble. Would love some assistance if possible
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2075 [15:56:02] <wald0> anybody else experiencing kernel CRASHES by simply using a FS in reiser3 ?
2076 [15:56:16] <wald0> 4.19-0-4-amd64 (buster)
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2079 [15:58:40] <wald0> how i should report the bug?
2080 [15:59:13] <root2> hello
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2085 [16:03:26] <blackswan> has somebody developed some magical tool that i can download that will show me a graphical view of my apt dependency problems? i'm hoping the answer is yes and somebody will tell me where it is. it's a small hope, but a hope nevertheless.
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2092 [16:05:21] <cousin_luigi> Good afternoon.
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2096 [16:06:16] <tsujp> Anyone got this compiled for debian and able to run it yet? replaced-url
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2101 [16:08:09] <wald0> blackswan: apt-get -f install
2102 [16:08:27] <wald0> blackswan: if doesn't solve, apt-get remove (every package shown in the previous errors)
2103 [16:08:33] <wald0> blackswan: dont' mix reops
2104 [16:08:35] <wald0> repos*
2105 [16:08:43] <pagetelegram> trying to get syntax correct for console program from package bible-kjv I just want to set to a specific book chapter:verse, I tried syntax specified and get stuck in Genesis regardless.
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2108 [16:09:50] <blackswan> wald0: all good advice, but tangential to the question i asked. i'm not asking for help with the dependency problem, i'm asking if there is a nifty tool around that might let one view such things graphically
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2111 [16:11:32] <gour> yesterday 've installed buster on my desktop and NM does not render proper icon for 'wired connected' connenction - it shows '?' instead. any hint?
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2113 [16:11:46] <themill> blackswan: when the objective is to not create such problems, such tools are not needed and hence I don't know of any
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2115 [16:12:32] <blackswan> yeah, i guess there's no market for it.
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2118 [16:15:21] <blackswan> a general tool for visualizing and manipulating a dependency graph might be a thing
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2124 [16:20:55] <EdePopede> debtree and dot at least show dependencies of individual packages. comparing still would be to be done manually. or by using some scripts on the .dot files.
2125 [16:21:59] <EdePopede> or with SVG output directly on the image, but this seems like some work
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2128 [16:22:26] <themill> visualising a tree is straightforward enough. I don't know how you'd visualise problems in it
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2132 [16:23:59] <EdePopede> version incompabilities?
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2140 [16:31:33] <cousin_luigi> Have alioth pages been moved somewhere else?
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2149 [16:36:04] <themill> cousin_luigi: some are now served by salsa gitlab pages.
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2152 [16:37:10] <tsujp> Can anyone possibly help me out with this? replaced-url
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2156 [16:38:24] <cousin_luigi> themill: Thanks. Not there though.
2157 [16:38:55] <cousin_luigi> Looking for the xtrace homepage btw. Wherever the development takes place.
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2234 [17:43:58] <ryouba> how do i find out what the reason of "/etc/init.d/networking start" failing is? still not used to systemd occultism :(
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2236 [17:44:20] <ryouba> (no, "journalctl -xn" does not give helpful information)
2237 [17:45:11] <ksk> ryouba: bad things in e/n/i most likely. there really is no debug info for that as far as I know.
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2239 [17:45:17] <ksk> maybe share your interfaces file
2240 [17:45:18] <ksk> !paste
2241 [17:45:18] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2243 [17:47:17] <ryouba> ksk: replaced-url
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2246 [17:47:41] <ryouba> (can't paste right now because no ssh because no network)
2247 [17:48:20] <ksk> a little hard to tell if you blur out details. looks fine so far Id say
2248 [17:48:25] <ksk> did you try a reboot?
2249 [17:48:40] <ksk> iirc networking can be in such conditions networking restart does not bring it up - but a reboot can.
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2251 [17:49:04] <ksk> also, Id suggest commenting out everything but your primary interface, and try if that works.
2252 [17:49:07] <ryouba> ksk: the details are, from top to bottom: public IP, 255.255.255.255, hypervisor IP, hypervisor IP.
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2254 [17:49:38] <ryouba> ksk: my frustration is mostly with not being able to help myself. if e.g. that file's syntax is faulty, how do i find out on a system with systemd?
2255 [17:50:31] <ryouba> aaaaaaaaha!
2256 [17:50:41] <ryouba> ksk: thank you very much! indeed, the reboot solved the problem!
2257 [17:50:46] <ksk> as I said, you dont. I suppose e/n/i is 1980 and has no (useful) debugging mechanics. you could try to manually take up an interface via "ifup ethX" which could give some information
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2260 [17:51:01] <ksk> !next
2261 [17:51:02] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2262 [17:51:16] <tds> the systemd equivalent would be systemctl start networking, and you can systemctl status networking.service or journalctl -u networking.service to get some log output from it
2263 [17:51:30] <tds> but it's just running ifup for you, so running that by hand works fine as well :)
2264 [17:52:18] <ryouba> ksk: well, before systemd, you did get a message indicating if the file syntax was faulty, or, for example, the syntax was ok, but the contents were nonsensical. i can't believe systemd doesn't offer a way to still see the output from (trying to parse|parsing) that file?
2265 [17:52:34] <tds> doing live changes with ifupdown is also not especially trivial, you might want to look at ifupdown2 if that's something you need
2266 [17:52:39] <ryouba> aha!
2267 [17:52:50] <ryouba> so "ifup eth0" for debugging?
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2269 [17:53:03] <tds> sure - though keep in mind that'll fail if eth0 is already up and configured
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2271 [17:53:24] <tds> if it doesn't come up cleanly on reboot, systemctl status networking is going to be what you want
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2275 [17:54:58] <ksk> should have to do nothing with systemd, I always found "networking" error messages not too helpful.
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2298 [18:03:01] <nubie> exit
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2300 [18:03:17] <pfred1> stage right
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2303 [18:04:02] <nubie> sorry, need some advice is there anything i can check if debian could not get ip from public hotspot(with login page)
2304 [18:04:41] <nubie> i tried to connect my debian to wifi hotspot hotel in the network manager it just rolling loading
2305 [18:05:05] <nubie> when i checked from ifconfig it just like not get the ip
2306 [18:05:21] <nubie> when using my android it can connect though
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2314 [18:07:37] <grobi> hi guys :)
2315 [18:07:47] <ksk> nubie: did you set network manager to use dhcp?
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2318 [18:08:52] <grobi> i got following promptet after updateE: The repository 'replaced-url
2319 [18:09:30] <nubie> yes ksk
2320 [18:09:41] <nubie> i use network manager
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2322 [18:10:09] <ksk> dont tell the grey cat, but what happens if you do "dhclient $wifi-interface" in a root shell?
2323 [18:10:50] <ksk> Im not a desktop guy, so I really dont know anything about NM :(
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2325 [18:11:52] <grobi> i was looking at 'man apt-secure' then but didn't not get smarter afterwards... can someone tellme what to do, please?
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2327 [18:12:16] <rm-rfchik> how firefox know default font name? In preferences I see "default (Hack)", how FF knows about Hack?
2328 [18:12:32] <nubie> just loading and then nothing from command dhclient wlps20
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2344 [18:22:37] <wald0> why my user in buster cannot "ping" or run "dmesg" ? how i can make it working?
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2357 [18:34:36] <pfred1> wald0 you can grant your user permissions in the sudoers file if you use sudo
2358 [18:34:37] <ksk> iirc buster changed from setuid ping to some other method, mhhm.
2359 [18:34:57] <ksk> capabilities If Im not mistaken.
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2361 [18:36:07] <wald0> mmh, yeah i actually use sudo but damn, is frustrating typing sudo everytime just for ping
2362 [18:36:28] <pfred1> yeah you can just fix that in sudoers
2363 [18:36:39] <jmcnaught> wald0: dmesg is root only starting with stretch, '/msg dpkg dmesg' has a link to a bug report about it
2364 [18:36:54] <pfred1> yeah it's annoying
2365 [18:37:05] <ksk> wald0: replaced-url
2366 [18:37:34] <pfred1> if I'm doing that sort of thing myself I just start an interactive root terminal
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2369 [18:38:19] <pfred1> because sudo this and sudo that does get old fast for me too
2370 [18:38:55] <pfred1> so I do one sudo -i and just do all the root commands there
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2382 [18:51:00] <furrymcgee> !dmesg_restrict
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2415 [19:16:44] <qman__> I'm having trouble with the debian installer environment not setting search domains in resolv.conf (from DHCP)
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2419 [19:17:36] <qman__> alpine linux sets it just fine, so I've confirmed my configuration works
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2425 [19:20:04] <qman__> I'm setting both domain-name and domain-search options
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2430 [19:21:45] <qman__> I've also confirmed that both debian and ubuntu installers have the same problem, so I'm guessing there's either some extra configuration I need to set for the debian installer, or it's a bug
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2433 [19:24:21] <qman__> the reason it's an issue is I'm trying to use preseeding on more than one network, with the preseed files at different IPs, so I need short DNS names to work
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2519 [20:09:43] <jhutchins> qman__: How many machines are you building?
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2544 [20:23:58] <qman__> jhutchins: it's hard to say, but the purpose is to have an automated pxe install environment, for combination VM infrastructure and physical servers
2545 [20:24:20] <qman__> I have it all working if I specify an IP, but by doing that, I can only have one subnet work at a time
2546 [20:24:33] <qman__> there are ways to hack around this, but really, search domains should just work, and they don't
2547 [20:25:16] <GNU\colossus> search domains are a hack themselves in my book ;)
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2612 [21:01:29] <ryouba> oh my
2613 [21:01:42] <ryouba> guys/gals please don't slaughter me for this, but ...
2614 [21:01:52] <ryouba> how do you install apache2 on a wheezy box?
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2616 [21:02:04] <ryouba> i inadvertently removed it and can't get it installed again
2617 [21:02:10] <ksk> !archive
2618 [21:02:11] <dpkg> methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
2619 [21:02:26] <ksk> look at the last point of that sentence ;)
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2621 [21:02:40] <ryouba> ksk: yes, that's my only repo ... main, non-free, contrib
2622 [21:02:53] <ryouba> BUT ... "apache2 : Depends: apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.2.22-13+deb7u6) but it is not going to be installed or" (and some others)
2623 [21:03:06] <humpled> apache on wheezy huh
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2626 [21:03:16] <ksk> also, you should really upgrade.
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2628 [21:03:48] <ryouba> ksk: yes, after i fix this. that was kind of like the plan...
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2631 [21:04:40] <ryouba> oh ... i have an idea!
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2633 [21:04:53] <ryouba> is there a way to list all packages that are NOT from the currently active repositories?
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2638 [21:05:28] <ryouba> (this server was abused a lot over the past 11 years, need to be creative when you **** something up)
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2641 [21:06:33] <ryouba> aaah!
2642 [21:06:35] <ryouba> libaprutil1
2643 [21:06:38] <ryouba> was the culprit
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2647 [21:07:32] <ryouba> oooooooph ... working again ... *wipes sweat off forehead*
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2653 [21:09:27] <shalok> Can I get someone to paste the output of this command please?: TERM=xterm tput kcuu1 | od -An -tx1
2654 [21:09:54] <shalok> I'm wondering if my machine's terminfo database got messed up somehow...
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2664 [21:13:39] <shalok> nm, got it from ideone: replaced-url
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2705 [21:32:15] <nkuttler> hrm, how would i configure an apt proxy dynamically? make APT_CONFIG dynamic for root/sudo?
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2761 [22:00:15] <w1d3m0d3> is there a debian-testing specific chan?
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2767 [22:02:19] <ksk> !debian-next
2768 [22:02:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2769 [22:02:30] <w1d3m0d3> okay gotya
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2772 [22:03:05] <ksk> nkuttler: set HTTP_PROXY via bashrc?
2773 [22:03:43] <RoyK> or http_proxy
2774 [22:03:55] <RoyK> iirc it must be in lower case
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2776 [22:04:03] <ksk> ah okay, I tend to mess that up :)
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2779 [22:05:18] <RoyK> ksk: and https_proxy
2780 [22:05:26] <nkuttler> apt respects http_proxy?
2781 [22:05:34] <ksk> sure.
2782 [22:05:38] <RoyK> last I checked
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2786 [22:07:29] <nkuttler> i don't think apt-cacher-ng is a generic http proxy though
2787 [22:07:40] <ksk> it totally is not.
2788 [22:08:06] <ksk> protip: setup nginx caching proxy, pointing to the repos. use that in your sources.list
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2790 [22:08:15] <nkuttler> mmh
2791 [22:08:28] <ksk> will totally outperform apt-cacher-ng, if that also is an issue ;)
2792 [22:08:45] <nkuttler> nah, it's just at home, but i'll look into it
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2796 [22:10:37] <bora> hi all I would lie to ask something about Systemd
2797 [22:10:50] <galtj> hi, what to do if apt-get sources.list gets out of date?
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2799 [22:11:06] <ksk> galtj: context?
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2801 [22:11:36] <galtj> i'm on wheezy, but apt-get stopped working
2802 [22:11:43] <galtj> and it seems to be outdated
2803 [22:11:45] <ksk> !archive
2804 [22:11:45] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
2805 [22:11:56] <bora> why debian is using systemd ? Because lots of people said that it is buggy
2806 [22:11:56] <ksk> !debian archives
2807 [22:11:58] <dpkg> Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at replaced-url
2808 [22:12:09] <ksk> galtj: archives for you.
2809 [22:12:37] <bora> or do you advice devuan which is the debian forks
2810 [22:12:40] <ksk> bora: because the people in charge think its better than what we had before - And I mostly agree.
2811 [22:12:49] <galtj> ksk: i need to upgrade i think
2812 [22:12:52] <ksk> we do not advice devuan in here, its a debian support channel
2813 [22:12:56] <ksk> galtj: I think so, too.
2814 [22:12:58] <ksk> !devuan
2815 [22:12:58] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
2816 [22:13:15] <galtj> ksk: right, what should i put in my apt-get sources.list?
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2818 [22:13:39] <ksk> galtj: I suppse the links in the faqtoid will lead you to that answer.
2819 [22:14:22] <ksk> "replaced-url
2820 [22:14:35] <galtj> ksk: can i put jessie the sources.list
2821 [22:14:45] <galtj> and then do the upgrade?
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2823 [22:15:13] <ksk> you should first update to the latest state of wheezy I suppose, if you have not yet. But yes.
2824 [22:15:14] <bora> ksk : you agree with systemd haters
2825 [22:15:20] <ksk> !tell galtj about wheezy->jessie
2826 [22:15:36] <ksk> bora: did you not read what I said? No, I do not.
2827 [22:15:59] <galtj> thx
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2829 [22:16:26] <bora> ksk : mm ok ksk this is my fault
2830 [22:16:29] <bora> sorry
2831 [22:16:42] <ksk> bora: have you ever written a systemd service defintion? Its superior to any sys-v-rc foo if you asked me..
2832 [22:16:52] <cybercrypto> galtj: apt is the second command line based front provided by APT which overcomes some design mistakes of apt-get. Slowly apt-get will get phased-out perhaps. replaced-url
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2836 [22:19:29] <bora> no I did not write any systemd service definition . I just ask .Thats all
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2838 [22:19:40] <bora> thanks for information ksk
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2840 [22:22:39] <humpled> i just edited one to have an autologin on one tty, it was pretty similar to doing it in /etc/inittab, just as easy anyway
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2842 [22:25:14] <galtj> cybercrypto: ok, so its "apt" now
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2844 [22:26:55] <ksk> I suppose this was the intention of aptitude, too? :P
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2846 [22:27:13] <humpled> aptitude has an ncurses interface
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2855 [22:30:13] <EdePopede> if systemd is so superior i'm still wondering why it took me only 1 minute to get my webfsd started without any problems using copies of the sysv-rc and the config after i tried several times with systemd and it refused to cooperate.
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2866 [22:32:30] <ksk> must be you :>
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2872 [22:33:58] <ksk> also, there is a debian packages. does it not come with a systemd unit file?
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2878 [22:35:27] <ksk> replaced-url
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2881 [22:36:21] <galtj> compiling computer..................
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2885 [22:45:25] <jhutchins> ksk: Not everything's migrated.
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2887 [22:46:14] <ksk> thats why I asked - it does though, just a buggy one it seems.
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2900 [22:57:36] <ross`> Hello! Does anyone know how to get a uvc capture device working! :)
2901 [22:57:42] <ross`> ross@coffee:~$ uvccapture
2902 [22:57:43] <ross`> Unable to set format: 16. Init v4L2 failed !! exit fatal
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2914 [23:04:16] <rant> you know.. you can change windows in irssi doing
2915 [23:04:29] <rant> ECHAN :P
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2924 [23:13:52] <pfred1> rant I use ALT+#
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2930 [23:16:25] <rant> pfred1: yes well Esc+# works, as does Ctrl+P/N, Alt+Left/Right, /# etc..
2931 [23:16:55] <ksk> alt+left/right - did not know, nice!
2932 [23:17:01] <pfred1> rant how about that i never knew about the arrows
2933 [23:17:25] <rant> and the Esc/Alt+# thing it wraps all the way down all the letter keys work too for windows above 10
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2935 [23:18:43] <rant> the letter keys are windows 11-35
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2937 [23:19:31] <rant> erm 36 even
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2941 [23:20:29] <rant> though for all I know some of the non-letter keys might work.. I dont really use more than 20 windows
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2945 [23:22:15] <pfred1> 4 is my limit
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2948 [23:23:52] <annadane> someone remind me how to install a stable version of a package as opposed to the backported one i have installed?
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2951 [23:24:13] <ksk> downgrading might, or might not work, depending on the package.
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2953 [23:24:29] <annadane> i'm aware, i'm just looking for the syntax
2954 [23:24:55] <annadane> i think it's just apt install foo/stretch
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2956 [23:25:14] <annadane> yeah that's it
2957 [23:25:17] <ksk> annadane: -t might also do, not sure.
2958 [23:25:17] <annadane> answered my own question
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2968 [23:34:07] <jhutchins> annadane: So that last one you posted is it?
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2973 [23:35:28] <annadane> yes
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