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3 [00:01:12] <rant> annadane: afaik you should not be able to do that though you should have to specify --user
4 [00:01:21] <rant> or of course run it as root
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28 [00:09:49] <micheal65536> so a package installation got interrupted now when i try to reinstall the package dpkg hangs indefinitely at "unpacking"
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31 [00:10:10] <micheal65536> i tried force-removing the package, then manually deleting all the files from the filesystem
32 [00:10:29] <micheal65536> also it's creating .dpkg-new files where there aren't original files with the same name
33 [00:10:32] <micheal65536> then it hangs
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35 [00:10:50] <micheal65536> so like, it unpacks the package but creates a bunch of unecessary dpkg-new files, then hangs indefinitely doing nothing
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37 [00:11:11] <micheal65536> nvm scratch that it finished after like half an hour
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41 [00:11:44] <rant> thanks for sharing?
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62 [00:19:08] <squirrel> in apt-get's message `Depends: python3:any (>= 3.3.2-2~)`, what does `>= 3.3.2-2~` mean exactly?
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65 [00:19:28] <Unit193> Any version equal to, or greater than, 3.3.2-2~
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68 [00:20:14] <squirrel> what do - and ~ mean?
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70 [00:20:32] <jmcnaught> they're just part of the version string
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72 [00:21:30] <Unit193> 3.3.2 is the upstream part, -2 is the Debian revision, and ~ is good practice such that ~exp1 (sometimes used in experimental) or backports will suffice.
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76 [00:22:10] <squirrel> aha
77 [00:22:38] <rant> ,v python3
78 [00:22:39] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.2-1; sid: 3.7.3-1
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83 [00:24:05] <squirrel> thanks
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121 [00:50:57] <squirrel> this is probably a stupid question, but i've tried many things and i still can't get fail2ban install due the aforementioned unmet dependency, while i have python 3.7 installed replaced-url
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123 [00:51:19] <squirrel> really don't know where to go from here, any ideas?
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126 [00:53:40] <And1am0> SOMEONE FAMILIAR WITH BOTNETS AND FUD's ???
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128 [00:54:15] <jmcnaught> squirrel: it looks like you installed python3 3.7 from somewhere other than your distro's repository, which was probably a mistake. Also you're using raspbian, which unfortunately isn't supported here. I think there's a #raspbian channel.
129 [00:54:26] <dax> i'm familiar with kicking them off freenode because we don't do that sort of nonsense here
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135 [00:58:42] <squirrel> jmcnaught: where do you see that 3.7 was installed from elesewhere? and why is this a problem? i know there's #raspbian but it's dead and i don't know where else to ask
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143 [01:02:05] <jmcnaught> squirrel: there's also ##linux. I could tell from the output of "apt-cache policy python3", the one in the repo is 3.5.3-1 but you have 3.7.1-3 instead which could very well have different dependencies.
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161 [01:12:31] <ryouma> according to an integrity checker, stretch, but not jessie, seems to change mtime and ctime of /root. any clues on what this could be?
162 [01:12:53] <jmcnaught> And1am0: please stop messaging me about botnets
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168 [01:15:58] <abrotman> jhutchins: I'm around, just been busy
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171 [01:17:38] <squirrel> jmcnaught: thanks, removing 3.7.1-3 helped, but why was it a problem in the first place?
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173 [01:18:25] <ryouma> is there a tool in debian that will help me find what is changing /root mtime and ctime, and when? perhaps it is a file created and then deleted?
174 [01:18:40] <abrotman> you want to watch an inode?
175 [01:19:02] <abrotman> famd and inotify perhaps
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182 [01:21:00] <jmcnaught> squirrel: Debian and distros based on it aren't designed for interchangeable packages between distros and releases. Packages are compiled against specific versions of libraries for that distro release, and also dependencies can be different in other distros or releases.
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187 [01:24:55] <squirrel> jmcnaught: but why couldn't apt-get just install whatever version it needed?
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191 [01:25:53] <squirrel> couldn't i have had both 3.7 and 3.5?
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194 [01:28:47] <jmcnaught> squirrel: you cannot have two versions of a package with the same name
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197 [01:30:04] <ryouma> sometimes there are 2 versions of the same thing, but with 2 packages each with a number appended, like 2 versions of python or whatever
198 [01:30:12] <ryouma> squirrel:
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200 [01:32:42] <squirrel> so uh. python3, python3.5 and python3.7 are 3 different packages?
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202 [01:33:42] <jmcnaught> no but python and python3 are (in Debian at least, raspbian could be different)
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207 [01:37:03] <squirrel> but aptitude install python3, aptitude install python3.4 and aptitude install python3.5 produce different results
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209 [01:37:23] <KendraV> You want to look at mе without clothes, sweetie (EXCLUSIVE FREE FOR NEXT 3 PEOPLE!!) ;-) follow the link and add me as a friend -----------> replaced-url
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220 [01:46:22] <jmcnaught> squirrel: well you're using raspbian not Debian, which is why we don't support raspbian here because we don't know these differences
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243 [02:10:03] <craigevil> !ssb
244 [02:10:03] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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252 [02:17:48] <kreyren> <tds> kreyren: CAs never see your private key, they can't decrypt traffic
253 [02:17:51] <kreyren> context plz?
254 [02:19:21] <ksk> seems like a wrong highlighting ;)
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256 [02:22:53] <tds> kreyren: ah yeah sorry, that was meant to be for karlpinc
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283 [02:44:33] <laptop> hi, I installed ufw, ssh port limit attacks, clamav, linux malware detect (killed monitor), chkroot and rkroot, app armor and firejail
284 [02:44:54] <laptop> I have 1 gb ram and dual core 1.6 ghz, should I add hips or network intrusion protection
285 [02:44:57] <laptop> how do I do this?
286 [02:45:09] <laptop> I am using chromium latest version 32 bit, I want something low spec
287 [02:45:50] <ksk> laptop: Id say you have 500% more security foo installed now than anyone else in here.. ;)
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289 [02:46:14] <laptop> amazingly did it one 1 gb and desktop and os uses up only 156 mb
290 [02:46:19] <gert_> most likely yes, at best I use firejail for a few internet-facing applications
291 [02:46:21] <ksk> clamav, for example, will most likely only find windows viruses (eg in your email, if you use thunderbird or something like that)
292 [02:46:24] <laptop> and that is with hexchat open
293 [02:46:39] <laptop> what about intrusion protection system
294 [02:46:58] <laptop> or network intrusion protection, anything better than ufw with ssh limit
295 [02:47:04] <ksk> but Im impressed, I did not know it was possible to run a browser (plus the rest needed for running it) with 1G of ram.
296 [02:47:06] <laptop> I also have hd encrption
297 [02:47:20] <laptop> rest, chromium on 32 bit only 4-5 tabs open at one time
298 [02:47:23] <laptop> one extension
299 [02:47:30] <laptop> also I have add block open as well
300 [02:47:30] <ksk> as far as I know, the thing with OSS IDS is, that you have to make your own patterns.
301 [02:47:46] <gert_> I know there is fail2ban, that's a solid way to reduce brute force password attempts
302 [02:47:57] <laptop> I thought about it and installed it before
303 [02:48:00] <gert_> might be heavy since it's python based
304 [02:48:01] <ksk> disable ssh password login, use keys. problem solved ;)
305 [02:48:13] <laptop> I disabled ssh password login and am using keys
306 [02:48:23] <laptop> I forgot to mention I added prey to the computer for laptop stolen
307 [02:48:28] <ksk> fail2ban can get heavy, if you use it on a like 10G webserver accesslogfile :D
308 [02:48:39] <laptop> it only slows the computer with shutting down
309 [02:48:45] <laptop> I can even run lotro on 1 gb
310 [02:48:47] <laptop> which is amazing
311 [02:49:02] <laptop> debian 9 stretch
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313 [02:49:20] <laptop> total hd space 26/33 gb used
314 [02:50:02] <gert_> you're certainly better than the standard on security; even just a strict ufw or firejail would do this
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350 [03:11:13] <gert_> ls
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367 [03:19:42] <seeker63> i have gcc on my system but when i type gcc myfirst.cpp at root it says can not find gcc
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369 [03:21:07] <ksk> seeker63: what did you type in exactly, and what did the commandline reply?
370 [03:21:09] <ksk> !paste
371 [03:21:09] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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376 [03:27:35] <seeker63> ksk; i think i figured it out i did a whereis gcc and it told me /usr/lib/gcc so i will try and compile the code while in that directory
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378 [03:28:03] <ksk> please no.
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380 [03:29:14] <ksk> take a look at "man hier" - /usr/lib/ is where libraries are stored, not executable commands.
381 [03:29:24] <ksk> how did you install gcc?
382 [03:31:17] <seeker63> ksk: i believe it came when i installed jessie
383 [03:31:45] <rant> seeker63: do you have aptitude installed?
384 [03:31:57] <seeker63> i use apt
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386 [03:32:12] <rant> seeker63: that wasnt my question.. humor me
387 [03:32:42] <rant> seeker63: aptitude has a feature that tells you the answer to that previous question
388 [03:32:55] <rant> seeker63: aptitude why gcc
389 [03:33:11] <seeker63> rant: ok just a sec
390 [03:33:33] <rant> idk that the answer to that question is important.. I just find it curious you don't know the answer..
391 [03:33:35] <ksk> not really needed imho. do a "dpkg -l gcc" to check if its installed.
392 [03:33:57] <ksk> (but I do like aptitude why!)
393 [03:34:05] <rant> ksk: why?
394 [03:34:07] <rant> :D
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397 [03:36:35] <seeker63> ksk: what command to find the version of debian -- it looks like i am more legacy than i realized
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400 [03:37:09] <rant> ksk: a generic check is to cat /etc/debian_version
401 [03:37:11] <ksk> "cat /etc/debian_version" for example.
402 [03:37:13] <rant> erm
403 [03:37:26] <rant> however thats not really gaurenteed to be accurate
404 [03:37:36] <rant> apt policy will also give some hints
405 [03:37:45] <rant> as well as dpkg -l libc6 or such
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410 [03:46:06] <seeker63> wow i am still on wheezy. can i upgrade to stretch without screwing up my video workability. this desktop is very legacy
411 [03:46:28] <rant> seeker63: we do not support such a thing.. you have to upgrade through each release
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413 [03:46:54] <seeker63> rant: so i could upgrade to jessie from wheezy
414 [03:47:03] <rant> and you'll have to use archive to upgrade to jessie
415 [03:47:10] <rant> cause jessie was just recently archived
416 [03:47:32] <rant> seeker63: read the jessie release notes ch4
417 [03:47:39] <seeker63> rant: can i be sure that my video will not get messed up?
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420 [03:48:06] <rant> seeker63: replaced-url
421 [03:48:12] <seeker63> rant: ok thanks
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424 [03:48:18] <rant> seeker63: idk what you mean, but you can be almost sure it will :P
425 [03:48:36] <rant> cause I am guessing you have some kinda weird nvidia setup or something if you're asking such a thing
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427 [03:48:57] <rant> seeker63: then you'd go to the stretch release notes and do the same
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430 [03:49:21] <rant> seeker63: and then in a month or so, go to the buster release notes and do it all over again :D
431 [03:49:45] <seeker63> rant: I tried installing stretch on another system and the video would never appear when gnome would try to load
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435 [03:50:47] <rant> idk what you mean... you'd need to be more specific
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438 [03:51:45] <rant> seeker63: and if you're on wheezy you probably want to go with MATE going forward..
439 [03:51:53] <rant> gnome isn't gnome as you'd know it anymore :P
440 [03:52:11] <seeker63> rant: it will start to boot and then all i see is the mouse pointe on a blank screen
441 [03:53:08] <rant> seeker63: ah.. well if you see the mouse pointer the graphics are at least working somewhat..
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443 [03:53:21] <rant> hard to say without more details on the hardware
444 [03:54:32] <ksk> Id maybe go for a reinstall here, rather.
445 [03:54:44] <ksk> this way, you would only need to make everything work one time..
446 [03:54:52] <seeker63> rant: ok well it will take awhile to get that info regarding graphics card etc. I even took away fb at boot parameter
447 [03:55:00] <rant> yes, if you're that far behind it'd be simpler to reinstall if you have means to backup things that are important like /home and such
448 [03:55:28] <rant> seeker63: yes it sounded like it could've been a fb issue but which gfx it was would be relevant
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450 [03:56:32] <seeker63> i can back up my files on this one i am on and install stretch on this one but the other system had a bigger hd and more ram
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453 [03:56:39] <rant> seeker63: were it me, and I had a machine running wheezy I'd just plan to reinstall a base using stretch then upgrade to buster before installing the rest of the system
454 [03:56:55] <rant> cause buster will be releasing within a few weeks.. probably sometime next month..
455 [03:57:01] <rant> and you'd be current again
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457 [03:57:40] <dvs> 132 bugs left!
458 [03:57:50] <rant> seeker63: and if you are comfortable with gnome on wheezy you should use MATE cause gnome3 is a completely different animale and rather atrocious in my opinion
459 [03:58:00] <seeker63> ok tell me how to determine what graphics card i have on this system short of shutting down system and look at it . is the a command line that would tell me that
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461 [03:58:04] <rant> dvs: yes well if you look at the graph its been stagnent for a week or two
462 [03:58:36] <rant> seeker63: lspci -nn give us the [1234:ABCD] portion of the line that seems to indicate graphics
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471 [04:01:36] <seeker63> rant: looks like nvidia geforce4 ms nforce gpu
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475 [04:02:40] <rant> yeah well that could have some fb issues with noveau perhaps.. would probably work well with the legacy nvidia driver though.. its old enough to have had its bugs ironed out
476 [04:02:54] <rant> the name is irrelevant for support purposes
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479 [04:03:33] <rant> everytime I tell someone the command for lspci -nn and tell em to tell the portion that looks like [1234:ABCD] they never do it :P
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484 [04:07:13] <seeker63> rant: [10de:01f0] on mb [102b:051a] graphics card in slot
485 [04:08:02] <dvs> ,pciid 102b:051a
486 [04:08:03] <judd> [102b:051a] is 'MGA 1064SG [Mystique]' from 'Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd.' with kernel module 'matroxfb-base' in stretch. See also replaced-url
487 [04:08:17] <dvs> ???
488 [04:09:23] <dvs> ,pciid 10de:01f0
489 [04:09:24] <judd> [10de:01f0] is 'NV1F C17 [GeForce4 MX IGP]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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491 [04:09:48] <rant> isnt that like the same gpu the original xbox had?
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493 [04:12:42] <seeker63> rant: so if i did the same with the other system could we figured out the problem? i.e. why mouse pointer but no desktop and does the above indicate that the graphics cards on this system would work with stretch and or buster
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496 [04:13:37] <MaTTFuRY> hey how many rootkits do u know for windows server?
497 [04:13:57] <MaTTFuRY> man Windows is bugged out to max recently
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499 [04:15:43] <rant> MaTTFuRY: not within the scope of this channel
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501 [04:16:08] <rant> seeker63: it'd give some clues.. but really would need to explore it while the system is up and running
502 [04:20:35] <ksk> its more like an adventure.
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507 [04:22:12] <MaTTFuRY> how to mount a ntfs partition rw?
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509 [04:22:34] <rant> MaTTFuRY: with the ntfs-3g driver
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512 [04:23:09] <rant> which would pretty much happen automatically on a stretch system
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514 [04:23:56] <rant> I would strongly recommend against doing extensive writing to NTFS not created with debian
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516 [04:25:00] <MaTTFuRY> rant, ill sell you the logs like "The Lonely Hacker APK"
517 [04:25:51] <MaTTFuRY> thats a mad game eh?
518 [04:26:13] <MaTTFuRY> Does Linux have an ARM Simulator?
519 [04:26:58] <rant> qemu can emulate it
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547 [04:48:28] <MissBrunette> You want to look at mе without clothes, sweetie (EXCLUSIVE FREE FOR NEXT 3 PEOPLE!!) ;-) follow the link and add me as a friend -----------> replaced-url
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549 [04:50:19] <ksk> imho, the spammers should use per-channel specific links, to find the best clicking audience.
550 [04:50:51] <rant> they're not that clever
551 [04:51:23] <dvs> duh?
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590 [05:42:05] <nehemiah> I have a Debian Testing installation booting from the network using iSCSI. The machine won't shutdown or reboot properly as it, unassumingly disconnect from the network before it can actually power down or restart.
591 [05:42:49] <nehemiah> Is there a way to keep the network 'active' and let it die out with the reboot or halt?
592 [05:43:01] <xormor_GNU> nehemiah, sudo halt or sudo reboot
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599 [05:45:18] <nehemiah> xormor_GNU: I guess my issue is that, once disconnected from the network, that computer is missing it's root drive as it's on the network. I need to keep the network alive until Debian (Linux) does whatever it does to power down or reboot.
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607 [05:48:00] <rwp> nehemiah, I recall there being a mount option needed for NFS diskless operations to say that the root file system is on the network so do not disable the network before shutting down.
608 [05:48:10] <rwp> I just can't remember the detail of the option now though...
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636 [06:08:28] <bleb> is it just me or is the mutt package really neomutt?
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646 [06:13:06] <fred1807> How can I install replaced-url
647 [06:13:20] <Unit193> ,v fonts-noto-color-emoji
648 [06:13:21] <judd> Package: fonts-noto-color-emoji on amd64 -- buster: 0~20180810-1; sid: 0~20180810-1
649 [06:13:31] <Unit193> Huh, not even a backport.
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653 [06:15:53] <fred1807> should I change my system to testing?
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655 [06:17:19] <jetscreamer> only if you think you know you should or so
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662 [06:23:17] <fred1807> google-compute-engine : Depends: python3-google-compute-engine (= 20190124-3) but 2.8.14-1 is installed
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699 [06:51:47] <incal> hello, what is a "multihardlink" or "regular file with more than one link"?
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703 [06:53:20] <incal> touch regular-file; ln regular-file hardlink-1; ln regular-file hardlink-2 # is regular-file a multihardlink now?
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716 [07:08:16] <bleb> it looks to me like the mutt package in stretch is actually neomutt
717 [07:08:20] <bleb> replaced-url
718 [07:08:24] <bleb> ^ output off mutt -v
719 [07:08:37] <bleb> this is actually on devuan ascii but i'm pretty sure the package is from debian
720 [07:08:51] <bleb> can anyone reproduce?
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735 [07:18:11] <bleb> incal: haven't heard the term "multihardlink"
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738 [07:18:35] <bleb> but a regular file with more than one link would be after running ln regular-file hardlink-1
739 [07:18:43] <bleb> then you have two links: regular-file and hardlink-1
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747 [07:25:43] <incal> bleb: OK. I read it after doing 'dircolors --print-database'
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749 [07:25:59] <mi11k1> nebody have experience with Dell VRTX or m1000 blades?
750 [07:26:15] <incal> also, you don't know how to create a door or a non-stat'able file? :)
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753 [07:27:45] <incal> or a file with a "capability"
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755 [07:29:09] <bleb> incal: pretty sure door and "capability" aren't unix file terms
756 [07:29:17] <mi11k1> lol
757 [07:29:20] <bleb> must be specific to whatever you're trying to do
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766 [07:33:43] <incal> bleb: trying to understand the output of 'dircolors --print-database'
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768 [07:34:06] <incal> as for doors, replaced-url
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770 [07:35:37] <incal> man capabilities
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772 [07:37:28] <incal> so they exists but where I don't know
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776 [07:43:54] <bleb> sorry i'm not familiar
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783 [07:53:47] <darxmurf> morning
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785 [07:54:10] <Ericounet> Привет , hi
786 [07:54:33] <darxmurf> Priviet (sorry, no russian keyboard ^^)
787 [07:55:14] <darxmurf> I have a server where the .bashrc is not executed at logon, it was before and there is obviously somebody who changed something
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789 [07:55:27] <darxmurf> when I . .bashrc it's fine then. But not directly at login
790 [07:56:48] <darxmurf> .profile is correct and /etc/bash.bashrc too
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792 [07:58:03] <met> darxmurf, maybe your shell is not bash anymore? echo $0
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798 [08:02:23] <pragomer> it is 2019, I am using linux for 10 years now and I still have problems finding debians correct ISOs that I want. perhaps thats to me:
799 [08:02:26] <pragomer> replaced-url
800 [08:02:42] <pragomer> where can I download live-isos of actual testing/buster with different desktops?
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802 [08:03:08] <pragomer> I feel total dump about me not able to find the right iso. but its not the 1st time this happens to me regarding debian isos
803 [08:03:08] <darxmurf> met: it is
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806 [08:06:18] <jelly> pragomer: replaced-url
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809 [08:08:34] <mi11k1> pragomer, debian site is horrible
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811 [08:08:43] <jelly> pragomer: unless you need firmware on them to make hardware work, then -> unofficial -> non-free -> images-including-firmware -> weekly-live-builds -> ...
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814 [08:09:19] <jelly> debian site does not link automated live builds for testing anywhere AFAIK
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818 [08:09:54] <mi11k1> just hard to navigate
819 [08:10:58] <mi11k1> i alwasys find what i need, but its frequently mentioned i find.\
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821 [08:13:08] <mi11k1> darxmurf, what DM?
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824 [08:18:06] <pragomer> I know and love debian since years, but you are right.. the site (and navigation and finding isos) is really horrible
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826 [08:19:21] <mi11k1> i think its done on purpose to weed out ppl with no patience.
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828 [08:21:05] <k_sze[work]> `getfattr -d my_file_path` shows nothing even though `ls -l` shows a + sign.
829 [08:21:10] <k_sze[work]> What could be wrong?
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836 [08:23:40] <darxmurf> mi11k1: DM ?
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839 [08:24:40] <mi11k1> darxmurf, sorry i thought something else.
840 [08:25:23] <mi11k1> darxmurf, just for one user?
841 [08:25:39] <mi11k1> what if you make a new user?
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847 [08:31:58] <superlinux> hello
848 [08:32:00] <darxmurf> it works with another account
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850 [08:32:49] <superlinux> I just want anyone check for me whether the website replaced-url
851 [08:33:23] <superlinux> you should see a blue elliptic slogan
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859 [08:38:03] <superlinux> ok thanks
860 [08:38:14] <superlinux> it seems that my proxy was off
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862 [08:40:38] <darxmurf> mi11k1: the .bash_profile file is in cause
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888 [08:58:39] <targz_> Hi, is there a recommended package for notifying for apt package updates? Something like a GUI tray icon applet.
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895 [09:05:22] <LobsterEd> how do I verify my registered username in hexchat?
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897 [09:06:08] <targz_> /msg NickServ status
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899 [09:06:34] <LobsterEd> thanks targz will try that
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902 [09:08:54] <LobsterEd> OK - not logged in? How do I log in?
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906 [09:11:27] <targz_> replaced-url
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911 [09:14:43] <targz_> In general you can just /msg NickServ identify <user> <pass>, but SASL is more convenient.
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913 [09:16:02] <LobsterEd> thanks targz ... on my way there ...
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927 [09:22:14] <LobsterEd> seems my registered name and password is not for freenode - it is pretty ancient
928 [09:22:42] <kirk781> LobsterEd, lol
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930 [09:23:52] <LobsterEd> gosh - have got to read up on this dinosuar methodology - no fingerprint recognition or eyeball scan
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932 [09:24:15] <LobsterEd> and kirk781 laughing at me ...
933 [09:24:36] <kirk781> LobsterEd, how old is your username?
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935 [09:25:02] <LobsterEd> at least 8-10 years since I last used IRC
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938 [09:26:36] <LobsterEd> anyway I can be unverified for now
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943 [09:28:15] <Unit193> LobsterEd: Your nick isn't registered, you could just register (/msg nickserv help register)
944 [09:28:36] <LobsterEd> Came here to ask about Raspberrian but am probably in the wrong place
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946 [09:29:14] <LobsterEd> OK thanks Unit193 (are you part of the DR WHO posse?)
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949 [09:30:19] <LobsterEd> Unit is the equivalent of MIB
950 [09:30:50] <Unit193> LobsterEd: That'd be #raspbian, and I am a Doctor Who fan, sure.
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952 [09:32:18] <OS-43576> hi
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955 [09:34:09] <LobsterEd> thanks gonna try joining raspbian
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957 [09:35:01] <LobsterEd> hi OS
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960 [09:36:51] <kirk781> Unit193, who is your favorite doctor?
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963 [09:37:17] <LobsterEd> Thanks for advice everyone - new dimensions to explore for me
964 [09:37:19] <Unit193> This likely isn't the best channel to start that discussion, kirk781.
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966 [09:38:25] <LobsterEd> Don't mention the Dr? Dr Who?
967 [09:39:09] <LobsterEd> Mien god the cybomen are here - call Deb and and Ian - where are the companions when you need them?
968 [09:39:17] <kirk781> lol
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971 [09:40:35] <LobsterEd> Did I mention I was a dimensional travelling lobster - probably best not to?
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974 [09:41:46] <LobsterEd> I normally use Puppy Linux - so just saying Woof woof to the big dogs :)
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976 [09:43:19] <LobsterEd> I am official cructacean for Puppy -so friendly relations(puts away claws) are part of my remit
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986 [09:48:56] <LobsterEd> Reading the msg guidelines I see this is basically a help forum run by zombie bots?
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988 [09:49:18] <LobsterEd> Or am I being bad to the lurkers?
989 [09:50:34] <Unit193> This is a support channel, given the time it tends to be dorment. If you'd like a social channel, there's always #debian-offtopic.
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991 [09:51:41] <LobsterEd> thanks unit - am off to explore - thanks for help. Viva Le Penguin. Tux for smarts
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998 [09:55:50] <watom> hey, in buster curl is working on https links only if i set CURL_CA_BUNDLE. is that a common bug?
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1016 [10:06:59] <tom_work> s
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1018 [10:07:53] <tom_work> Is there any way to peform some APT operations on a mounted disk image of Debian, except I cant use chroot because my host is X86-64, and the OS i'm trying to prime is ARM64?
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1020 [10:08:46] <petn-randall> tom_work: You could boot it via qemu and emulate arm64.
1021 [10:09:06] <tom_work> how can I do that?
1022 [10:09:28] <petn-randall> Though I can imagine that apt has some flag to set the basepath if you find it in the documentation.
1023 [10:09:41] <petn-randall> tom_work: I'd install virt-manager and then just use the GUI.
1024 [10:09:52] <petn-randall> The CLI is quite arcane.
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1026 [10:10:50] <Tom-_> there's a dpkg --root or something, if you can use dpkg instead of apt
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1028 [10:11:57] <tom_work> perhaps I could tell you my real problem
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1030 [10:12:17] <tom_work> when I install openrc on my embedded computer, the system stops booting properly
1031 [10:12:25] <tom_work> works fine with sysv-rc though
1032 [10:12:36] <tom_work> no clue why, nothing in logs
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1125 [11:02:32] <jadax> how do I install gimp 2.10 on Debian 9.8?
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1127 [11:02:44] <jadax> some tutorial suggest using snap - package manager
1128 [11:02:47] <jadax> never used it, never heard
1129 [11:03:03] <jadax> but my 'apt-get cache search snap' only shows some snap to manage genes
1130 [11:03:07] <jadax> seems like that's a different snap
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1132 [11:04:05] <jadax> this page says they have it in experimental: replaced-url
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1134 [11:07:16] <jor> well, if you're already using Gnome, easiest way is using flatpak to get more recent gimp
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1136 [11:07:23] <jor> replaced-url
1137 [11:07:48] <jor> snap is basically Ubuntu's own version of flatpak
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1141 [11:08:40] <jelly> jadax: short answer is you can't, not from any debian.org package
1142 [11:09:02] <jadax> ok, so what's the least risky / most reliable way to get it then?
1143 [11:09:06] <jadax> just build from source myself?
1144 [11:09:08] <jelly> ,v gimp
1145 [11:09:09] <judd> Package: gimp on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.10.8-2; sid: 2.10.8-2
1146 [11:09:16] <jelly> upgrade to buster?
1147 [11:09:41] <jelly> set up a buster chroot?
1148 [11:09:53] <jadax> is buster stable?
1149 [11:10:01] <jadax> I think it's testing
1150 [11:10:11] <jelly> it's not stable yet.
1151 [11:10:18] <jelly> possibly this year.
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1154 [11:11:03] <jadax> but if 2.10 is in experimental then why wouldn't I just add experimental to sources.list and install it using apt-get?
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1162 [11:16:25] <jelly> jadax: because adding newer branches to an installation of stable results in a broken system.
1163 [11:16:27] <jor> 'cause you don't wanna add experimental to a 'stable' debian. you could use it with 'unstable'
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1165 [11:16:56] <jadax> even high-level purely userspace application like gimp?
1166 [11:17:09] <jadax> I'm not changing systemd or any other core component
1167 [11:17:15] <jelly> especially an app that has dozens of dependencies.
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1171 [11:17:52] <jelly> if you want to test packages in experimental, install and use debian's unstable branch
1172 [11:17:54] <jelly> !experimental
1173 [11:17:55] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
1174 [11:17:55] <jor> it would need to update a *lot* of dependencies, for startes gimp will suck in whole new gnome version... which in turns want a newer systemd :)
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1180 [11:19:46] <jadax> haha, ok
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1182 [11:19:59] <jadax> I didn't think it was such a big deal to *just* install newer gimp on my stable debian
1183 [11:20:16] <jelly> installing newer _anything_ is a big deal
1184 [11:20:31] <jelly> unless it's made specifically to work with stable
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1186 [11:20:34] <jadax> ok, so how about upgrading to buster?
1187 [11:20:43] <jadax> that seems rather straighforward
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1189 [11:20:53] <jelly> dpkg, stretch->buster
1190 [11:20:53] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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1194 [11:21:37] <jadax> I don't have much experience with debian testing, is it very likely I will hit some bugs or other obstacles?
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1196 [11:22:40] <jelly> there are 136 or so still unsolved release-critical bugs to be solved for buster
1197 [11:22:48] <jelly> !rc bugs
1198 [11:22:49] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at replaced-url
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1202 [11:23:09] <jelly> your experience may vary
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1206 [11:24:04] <jor> just always assume the worst, don't do it if you don't wanna deal with some bugs
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1211 [11:25:20] <jor> i'd still suggest trying the flatpak version. Not sure how good that works on debian strech, but it's self contained, userspace installed, gimp version. So easy to get rid of if doesn't work
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1213 [11:26:10] <jadax> ok, let me do the flatpak then
1214 [11:26:52] <jor> I'm on unstalbe myself. But i've used flatpak in the past (to get a gimp that's usuable on hidpi screens)
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1219 [11:29:16] <jadax> so flatpak is totally separate to apt-get?
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1222 [11:29:52] <jor> well, you should be able to apt-get flatpak it self, after that it's seperate from apt-get/dpkg
1223 [11:30:07] <jadax> ok, thanks
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1225 [11:31:07] <jor> it's containerized app installations, mainly developed by the gnome people. So it integrates best with that :)
1226 [11:31:24] <jadax> just started gimp 2.10 thru flatpak
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1228 [11:31:28] <jadax> it works!
1229 [11:31:33] <jadax> magic
1230 [11:31:35] <jor> gimp also does nightly build to flatpak, so that alwasy nice to test new stuff :)
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1232 [11:31:41] <jadax> what about all of the dependencies?
1233 [11:31:52] <jadax> they are within the container?
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1237 [11:32:07] <jor> yep, you basically get a whole 'gnome' container :/
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1240 [11:33:14] <jadax> and if I ever decide to remove that gimp 2.10, it's not gonna cause any harm to the rest of the OS?
1241 [11:33:22] <jadax> seems like it's very well decoupled from anything important
1242 [11:33:55] <jor> nope, just remove through flatpak uninstall
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1244 [11:34:14] <jor> or just remove/purge whole flatpak through apt/depkg
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1246 [11:35:04] <jor> yeah, works fine of something like gimp, since basically the only interaction with the 'outside' is opening and saving files
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1248 [11:36:33] <jor> and hopefully that still works with the flatpak version in debian 9 :/
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1279 [12:02:50] <shtrb> Hi , What does "Power: 1 new notification" mean ?
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1304 [12:18:23] <DonAlex> Morning peeps.
1305 [12:18:43] <DonAlex> Still getting this error when using apt update.. replaced-url
1306 [12:19:03] <DonAlex> Any idea how to clear it? I deleted the cache and refreshed it but still barfing .
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1318 [12:27:07] <themill> DonAlex: ftp.uk.d.o isn't the most reliable
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1320 [12:27:25] <wwilliam> GM
1321 [12:27:26] <wwilliam> I have this "script" replaced-url
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1323 [12:27:41] <themill> DonAlex: deb.debian.org is usually a better option
1324 [12:27:48] <wwilliam> "${st}mntpnt" this one is not expanding to the mountpoint
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1330 [12:29:32] <themill> wwilliam: it is expanding correctly though: $st is "fl"
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1332 [12:30:55] <wwilliam> yes but i want to keep going to the mount point
1333 [12:30:56] <themill> The ${!foo} syntax can help you here
1334 [12:31:12] <wwilliam> themill: ?
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1337 [12:32:19] <themill> The ! gives you the level of indirection you are looking for
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1339 [12:32:52] <wwilliam> let me try thank you themill
1340 [12:33:27] <themill> (or eval, but if you can avoid eval you'll be happier)
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1344 [12:35:12] <wwilliam> ok thank you.
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1355 [12:45:57] <wwilliam> if mountpoint -q "${!st}mntpnt"; then did not work
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1359 [12:48:05] <themill> that's not the indirection required
1360 [12:48:38] <wwilliam> oh
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1365 [12:50:04] <wwilliam> in the script the $st can be ny fl nj nc and there are mountpoints name flmntpnt njmntpnt ncmntpnt nymntpnt i want when the client ch0oses any of thosethe var $stmntpnt
1366 [12:50:05] <themill> wwilliam: m=${st}mntpnt; mountpoint … ${!m}
1367 [12:50:15] <wwilliam> to expand to any of those mountpoints
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1369 [12:50:42] <wwilliam> Thank you let me try that
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1374 [12:53:57] <xormor_GNU> what should I be able to remove from my / system safely? I installed Debian stretch, upgraded until 9.9 and then upgraded to buster. I want more space in /.
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1377 [12:54:27] <xormor_GNU> I just removed old kernels and their headers, and libreoffice*
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1379 [12:54:57] <themill> xormor_GNU: an "apt-cache clean" if you have not yet. Also "aptitude search ~o"
1380 [12:55:09] <wwilliam> m=${st}mntpnt if mountpoint -q "${!m}"; then still error
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1382 [12:55:19] <wwilliam> fuse: bad mount point `': No such file or directory
1383 [12:55:20] <wwilliam> find: ‘’: No such file or directory
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1397 [13:01:14] <xormor_GNU> themill, do I have to remove by hand the packages shown with "aptitude search ~o"?
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1399 [13:01:26] <xormor_GNU> themill, can I automate it with one, 2 or 3 commands?
1400 [13:02:24] <xormor_GNU> themill, sudo apt-cache clean does not work, but sudo apt-get clean and sudo apt clean work.
1401 [13:02:35] <themill> err yes, sorry
1402 [13:02:50] <themill> if you want none of the obsolete packages, "aptitude purge ~o"
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1413 [13:10:27] <xormor_GNU> themill, thanks. what else can I remove safely? so that the system is still operational for the usual Internet stuff, like replaced-url
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1416 [13:12:33] <xormor_GNU> mounted device name:/dev/sda2 whole:28G in use:11G free:16G in use:39% mount point:/
1417 [13:12:43] <BCMM> xormor_GNU: `apt autoremove`
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1419 [13:13:09] <BCMM> xormor_GNU: it will find packages that were installed as dependancies of packages that are no longer installed (e.g. unused libraries)
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1429 [13:14:46] <xormor_GNU> BCMM, thank you. it seems it did not find anything as of now, but often when I remove certain packages the system tells me I can run "apt autoremove" to remove those old packages, that were installed as dependencies no longer existing.
1430 [13:14:54] <tmroland> hi
1431 [13:15:15] <f0x> I forcefully shut down my computer yesterday, after the shutdown got stuck and I didn't want to wait any longer. Now I cannot unlock either of the two encrypted disks, any ideas?
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1437 [13:21:09] <xormor_GNU> can I remove this safely? --> "ii linux-image-amd64 4.19+104 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)" when I have this installed "ii linux-image-4.19.0-4-amd64 4.19.28-2 amd64 Linux 4.19 for 64-bit PCs (signed)"?
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1439 [13:21:27] <xormor_GNU> which is the current one I am using now?
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1443 [13:24:08] <rant> xormor_GNU: you can but there is no reason to, and you shouldnt
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1445 [13:25:32] <xormor_GNU> rant, ok. I am going outside for a cigarette. I think I have enough space in my / right now.
1446 [13:25:58] <humpled> removing libreoffice was probably the biggest single thing you could do
1447 [13:26:00] <rant> xormor_GNU: you will not gain any space removing an empty package,, and you may break upgrades to future kernels
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1463 [13:30:06] <xormor_GNU> rant, I see.
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1468 [13:33:57] <wickedmic> Hi everyone, when I boot my linux system my monitors go into stanby and i cannot reach the system via ssh (it not even ping works). When I boot the rescue console from my usb debian installer I can see that nothing was written to any log files. The only thing that works is to append 'break=top' as kernel parameter so I end up in the initramfs debug shell. Now I'm kind of out of ideas what to look for. Any
1469 [13:33:59] <wickedmic> suggestions how to find out what's going wrong?
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1482 [13:43:22] <ws-chris> wickedmic, what boot loader do you have? load the kernel or stop with a black screen before?
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1484 [13:43:31] <ws-chris> try this: replaced-url
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1486 [13:44:00] <wickedmic> i'm using grub2
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1495 [13:48:55] <wickedmic> grub does not seem to be the problem since i can boot the system. but shortly after some console output the monitors are going into standby.
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1501 [13:50:52] <rant> it sounds to me like your system is going to sleep/hibernate/powering off
1502 [13:51:08] <rant> stuck button, failing cooling system, battery, etc..
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1518 [13:57:43] <wickedmic> well the machine is still running and all devices like mouse and keyboard are still on, also why are the log files untouched (the modification date is for yesterday)
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1545 [14:12:15] <ws-chris> wickedmic, /var/log is mounted in a separated partition?
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1548 [14:14:45] <ws-chris> wickedmic, do you can check your disk partition table (fdisk -l) and file system disk space usage (df -h)?
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1550 [14:17:17] <humpled> just because the mouse shows a light doesn't necessarily mean the kernel has loaded
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1552 [14:18:16] <wickedmic> the /var/log folder is on the same partition as / and is 28% used
1553 [14:18:50] <wickedmic> humpled: you are right, i'm 100% sure, maybe the machine goes into standby
1554 [14:19:01] <wickedmic> but why should it do that?
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1563 [14:23:25] <humpled> if you don't think you've changed anything, you can look for broken hardware as rant said
1564 [14:24:17] <humpled> have you tried to edit the grub line and enable verbose, remove quiet, maybe use nomodeset, anything like that?
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1566 [14:24:47] <humpled> looked in /etc/apt/history.log to see if there were any updates just before it went wrong?
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1569 [14:25:22] <humpled> erm duh, that's /var/log/apt/history.log
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1571 [14:26:07] <humpled> also syslog obviously
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1579 [14:30:38] <wickedmic> about broken hardware: i can boot into windows, which seems to have no problems with the hardware
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1584 [14:32:19] <wickedmic> as mentioned i'm trying various settings for the kernel parameters to get some kind of information about what is going wrong
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1589 [14:32:52] <wickedmic> the parameter break=top brings me into initramfs debug console where i can look at the system
1590 [14:33:17] <wickedmic> but in this state there is nothing mounted but /
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1592 [14:33:56] <humpled> yes and that / is not your real disk is it
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1603 [14:38:07] <wickedmic> ok, i checked again: when in initramfs debug console (with break=top) and doing df there is /dev and /run, the / folder seem not to be the normal / (various folders are missing, e.g. /var has no log/ in it)
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1629 [14:50:05] <rant> wickedmic: yes the initrd image is mounted as rootfs by the kernel and until it mounts the reall rootfs and runs pivot_root, you are just in a small image running in ram
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1672 [15:36:11] <domovoy> hi
1673 [15:37:17] <dvs> goodbye!!! ;-)
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1678 [15:38:03] <Oberon4278> Is it safe to say that Debian and Ubuntu are fairly similar?
1679 [15:38:26] <greycat> This is a trick question. So I'm going to answer "No."
1680 [15:38:27] <jelly> Oberon4278: they're about 60-70% similar
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1682 [15:38:31] <dvs> dems fighting words!
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1684 [15:38:40] <jelly> is that fair?
1685 [15:38:44] <greycat> Please ask a more useful question.
1686 [15:38:51] <jelly> "why do you ask"
1687 [15:38:55] <kiwi_24> Hello
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1689 [15:39:32] <kiwi_24> I am having some trouble installing debian and would appreciate a little help.
1690 [15:39:57] <domovoy> in order to get ipv6 on my virtual machines, i'm trying to setup a ULA on a bridge interface, here is my interfaces.d file: replaced-url
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1695 [15:40:51] <kiwi_24> I have curious situation, having successfully installed debian from live cd's many times in the past, for some reason the installer no longer works.
1696 [15:41:43] <jelly> kiwi_24: installer on live is a bit problematic in some situations. For more reliable results use the separate installer images, not live.
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1698 [15:41:56] <kiwi_24> Tried 9.9 and 9.8, gnome and xcfe. Fails every time at the 'install the system' step.
1699 [15:41:58] <dvs> kiwi_24, use the dedicated installer ISOs. There's a much better chance of success with them
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1706 [15:42:37] <tds> domovoy: did you `ip address flush` at some point? that's a common way to drop your link local by accident
1707 [15:42:37] <kiwi_24> dvs the full dvd images rather than the live cd?
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1709 [15:42:59] <kiwi_24> why would it stop working like this after several years of working just fine?
1710 [15:43:00] <dvs> kiwi_24, Well, just not the live images
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1712 [15:43:12] <dvs> you lucked out
1713 [15:43:17] <domovoy> tds> i don't remember doing that... but how could i fix it if i did?
1714 [15:43:44] <tds> domovoy: if the system isn't doing anything important, just take the interface down and back up again
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1716 [15:43:52] <kiwi_24> dvs no luck involved in logic though, I dislike not knowing why this is happening.
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1721 [15:45:09] <domovoy> tds> did that several times while testing my config (especially because i was getting 'Waiting for DAD... Timed out'), and tried it just now, so i don't think it's the problem
1722 [15:45:41] <kiwi_24> I will try the dvd, see if that will work, I am using the live cd to connect to irc via the Internet, the live part is working.
1723 [15:46:37] <tds> domovoy: if you manually `ip link set virt0 down` and back up again, do you get the link local back?
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1728 [15:49:12] <domovoy> tds> no, strange thing is... it doesn't get _any_ ipv6, while it gets the one i configure whith 'ifup virt0'
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1730 [15:49:41] <tds> domovoy: you don't have the disable_ipv6 sysctl set by any chance do you?
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1733 [15:50:07] <domovoy> tds: how do y check?
1734 [15:50:19] <tds> `sysctl -a | grep disable_ipv6`
1735 [15:50:47] <domovoy> my other interfaces _do_ get their link-local, virt0 used to, before i tried to add the ULA
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1737 [15:51:13] <domovoy> tds> no, all '= 0'
1738 [15:52:20] <spirillen> Hi guys, I've just installed buster and of curse updated it to present state. I've installed the KDE on SDDM on my Lenovo t-520 with nvindia car. It is sitting on a docking-station with two external monitors over DP. Now is my Q how do I get my two external monitors enabled?
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1740 [15:53:10] <owl> do you love systemd?
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1743 [15:53:53] <spirillen> owl who are you asking?
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1746 [15:55:18] <tds> domovoy: ahh - could you pastebin `ip a`?
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1749 [15:56:26] <DonAlex> themill: Fairy nuff. Changed it now.. still irks me a little because as part of the debian install it asked you to choose your mirror and that really should not need to be changed manually after x number of upgrades
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1751 [15:57:27] <tds> domovoy: testing on a random stretch box, that config gets me a bridge with no member interfaces which is stuck in no-carrier and therefore state down, so you won't get a link local until it actually comes up
1752 [15:58:15] <domovoy> tds> isn't that what ifup does?
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1756 [15:58:43] <domovoy> my `ip a`: replaced-url
1757 [15:58:48] <themill> DonAlex: you don't need to change it after a number of upgrades, you need to change it because ftp.uk.d.o tends to fall over from time to time. It's run by a volunteer on donated hardware btw.
1758 [15:59:21] <themill> DonAlex: and that's precisely why deb.debian.org is strongly recommended since that is much more resilient.
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1760 [15:59:51] <tds> domovoy: yeah, since it's "state DOWN" you won't have a link local - if you add some actual member interfaces and then set it up I suspect it'll all start working?
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1764 [16:00:55] <domovoy> tds> you mean start a libvirt domain that uses it?
1765 [16:01:15] <tds> domovoy: sure
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1767 [16:03:00] <domovoy> tds> wow, you're right! :) never would have thought of that
1768 [16:03:07] <tds> oh
1769 [16:03:08] <tds> that's... odd
1770 [16:03:21] <tds> it's down to you specifying the bridge_hw option
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1772 [16:03:54] <tds> scrap that and it'll come up in state unknown with a link local
1773 [16:04:48] <domovoy> tds> thanks
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1777 [16:05:20] <domovoy> any idea why DAD times out?
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1779 [16:05:56] <domovoy> ho wait, it doesn't anymore
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1781 [16:06:06] <tds> did you remove the bridge_hw line?
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1783 [16:06:19] <domovoy> all that because of bridge_hw? why?
1784 [16:06:26] <domovoy> tds> yes
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1786 [16:06:30] <tds> cool
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1788 [16:06:52] <tds> from a glance, looks like replaced-url
1789 [16:06:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1792 [16:07:28] <tds> oh, though that's all from way before stretch, weird
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1796 [16:08:09] <kiwi_2639> I am downloading the 1st DVD to try that, is this possible a uefi issue, some security setting in the bios?
1797 [16:08:15] <tds> domovoy: btw, you should probably be picking a random prefix, rather than using 01
1798 [16:08:16] <tds> :)
1799 [16:08:29] <wickedmic> ws-chris, rant, humpled: it turned out that the module amdgpu was the problem, I blacklisted it and now my system boots normally again. Now the question is, why is amdgpu broken?
1800 [16:08:45] <kiwi_2639> sorry I was kiwi_24 a few posts back :)
1801 [16:09:07] <tacegory> what package should I install to use libinput with X.org? I already have xserver-xorg-input-libinput installed, but when I do "libinput list-devices" it says "command not found"
1802 [16:09:48] <domovoy> tds> yes i know, but for testing that was enough. Any way to generate that random prefix automatically when the interface comes up?
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1804 [16:11:12] <tds> domovoy: you could probably do it with a post-up hook that adds an address - though assuming this is being set up once and left then you don't need to ever change it, just start with a random one
1805 [16:12:09] <tds> there are a bunch of sites online that will generate a random prefix for you as well if you're feeling lazy
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1809 [16:14:13] <domovoy> tds> yeah, lazy is kind of my second name :)
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1811 [16:17:18] <ws-chris> wickedmic, what does this command? lspci -nn | grep -E 'VGA|Display'
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1814 [16:21:12] <wickedmic> ws-chris: 0b:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Vega 10 XL/XT [Radeon RX Vega 56/64] [1002:687f] (rev c3)
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1818 [16:21:44] <tacegory> maybe to give more context to my question. I am trying to use software debouncing for my broken mouse, and apparently libinput can do that
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1821 [16:23:13] <incal> hello, if I have an URL, say replaced-url
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1823 [16:24:06] <greycat> replaced-url
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1825 [16:25:10] <incal> yeah I already looked but I can't call it scheme:[//authority]path in code, can I?
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1829 [16:25:39] <incal> no one will understand it, it looks 100% alien to me as well
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1831 [16:25:44] <greycat> you're asking "what should I name the variable that I put this stuff in"?
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1834 [16:26:18] <incal> close, but a function argument
1835 [16:26:44] <ayekat> naming things - the hardest part in IT
1836 [16:27:00] <incal> maybe there isn't a name?
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1838 [16:27:24] <greycat> The two hardest things in IT are naming stuff, caching, and off-by-one errors.
1839 [16:28:07] <incal> OK either there isn't a name, or the name isn't good, or nobody knows the name, or won't tell...
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1841 [16:28:17] <ayekat> incal: probably not - it's like asking "how do I call the group of food that is bread and orange juice (but not other food)?"
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1844 [16:29:20] <incal> no
1845 [16:29:45] <incal> # is a hash, ! is a bang, #! is a hashbang
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1847 [16:30:13] <greycat> just make up a name, because there isn't one
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1850 [16:30:23] <ayekat> incal: that's not the same thing, though
1851 [16:30:28] <greycat> url_prefix or something
1852 [16:30:40] <incal> yeah if there isn't one I can make one up, np
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1855 [16:31:07] <incal> ayekat: obviously it isn't the same thing, it never is when comparing things
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1861 [16:31:31] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
1862 [16:31:39] <incal> well thanks anyway
1863 [16:31:39] <ayekat> incal: I was just giving an example of multiple things that each have a name individually, but a random sub-combination of these things might not necessarily have a name :-)
1864 [16:31:50] <neilthereildeil> I was reading about creating services in debian that start at boot
1865 [16:32:17] <incal> here there is a clear sequence of components tho, not "random" at all. anyway time to agree to disagree
1866 [16:32:27] <greycat> ayekat: a closer analogy would involve talking about several pieces of a larger whole, like "the legs, groin and lower torso -- what's the name of that part of the body?"
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1868 [16:32:44] <ayekat> true
1869 [16:33:04] <incal> ha ha
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1875 [16:34:58] <neilthereildeil> if i only want to "losetup -f" a file at boot, would i need to create a full service for it?
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1880 [16:36:09] <diffy> i am on a network where debian stretch doesnt work,means the browser crashes constantly,but ubuntu works without any problems.any ideas?
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1882 [16:37:56] <ws-chris> wickedmic, update the bios to it's lastest ASRock version; comment with hashtag this line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" on /etc/default/grub, after editing the /etc/default/grub file you have to update grub to make it in effect: sudo apt update-grub; reboot the system
1883 [16:38:16] <ayekat> neilthereildeil: a .service file just describes how to run some program - "a full service" isn't as much as you make it sound
1884 [16:38:22] <tinyhippo> diffy: 'doesnt work'?
1885 [16:38:34] <ayekat> neilthereildeil: your program there would be something that losetup's a file (and ideally also provides a way to undo that)
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1889 [16:39:30] <neilthereildeil> when i reboot, is there anything automatically calling "losetup -D" on the loopback volumes in my system?
1890 [16:39:47] <diffy> os boots,but the browser doesnt work
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1893 [16:41:18] <ayekat> neilthereildeil: not exactly by calling losetup, but AFAIK loopback volumes are automatically detached when the system shuts down, yes
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1895 [16:41:42] <neilthereildeil> what service does that and how?
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1902 [16:47:13] <ayekat> not sure if this is done by any service, or if it's just the kernel destroying its devices at some point during shutdown
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1906 [16:48:35] <ayekat> neilthereildeil: what is your goal, though?
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1908 [16:49:43] <neilthereildeil> ayekat: when the machine boots, I want to automatically attach a loopback volume
1909 [16:49:52] <neilthereildeil> because other services will use it
1910 [16:50:02] <ayekat> yes, but what is inside that volume?
1911 [16:50:06] <itamarst> hey, anyone have a sense of when debian buster will be out?
1912 [16:50:15] <ayekat> neilthereildeil: will you then mount a filesystem that's in there?
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1915 [16:50:37] <neilthereildeil> no i wont actually mount it
1916 [16:50:42] <neilthereildeil> its a VM image
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1918 [16:50:54] <neilthereildeil> LVM volume
1919 [16:51:07] <greycat> itamarst: replaced-url
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1921 [16:51:25] <greycat> itamarst: also replaced-url
1922 [16:52:05] <itamarst> thanks!
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1925 [16:56:22] <ayekat> neilthereildeil: I'm afraid I can't quite help there... I think the issue will then be to have LVM properly recognise the volume contained in the loopback device
1926 [16:56:48] <ayekat> I don't know how LVM works exactly, and whether it will automatically detect that the loopback device holds any LVM volumes
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1930 [16:58:31] <ayekat> if yes, I guess it should not be an issue - if you know which loop device you want to assign (e.g. /dev/loop0), you can just have ExecStart= and ExecStop= directives in your service file (with the appropriate losetup commands)
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1940 [17:08:01] <ksk> neilthereildeil: what does "attach a loopback volume" mean, if not mounting it?
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1943 [17:09:15] <neilthereildeil> losetup -f FILE_WITH_LVM_VOLUMES_IN_IT
1944 [17:09:30] <neilthereildeil> these volumes show up in /dev
1945 [17:09:56] <neilthereildeil> and my VMs point to these volumes as virtual disks
1946 [17:10:05] <neilthereildeil> but the host never actually mounts it
1947 [17:10:13] <neilthereildeil> i guess the VMs mount it though
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1954 [17:12:26] <ksk> yeah, sounds like. running a (oneshot?) systemd service should do the trick I think.
1955 [17:12:47] <ksk> make sure it runs before "start all VMs" unit kicks in.
1956 [17:12:56] <greycat> The advantage of doing whatever-this-losetup-thing-is as a systemd service is that then you can have your OTHER systemd services depend on it.
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2003 [17:40:03] <wickedmic> ws-chris: well there was indeed an update for my mainboard and i also noticed that my last debian update installed a new version of firmware-amd-graphics, so that sounded promissing, but with the new bios version amdgpu is still broken
2004 [17:40:12] <annadane> hmm, i may have a few hints. let me try to figure this out on my own
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2060 [18:08:04] <Sepultura> Hallo
2061 [18:08:18] <Sepultura> Has anyone tried the Windows Subsystem for Linux?
2062 [18:08:19] <Sepultura> :D
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2065 [18:09:40] <humpled> yes some people have tried it
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2074 [18:13:35] <jelly> Sepultura: yes, someone most certainly has.
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2076 [18:13:53] <jelly> !ask
2077 [18:13:54] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2104 [18:32:12] <bleb> can someone who has installed mutt on stretch try mutt -v ?
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2106 [18:32:21] <bleb> i'm getting this, which suggests it's actually neomutt: replaced-url
2107 [18:32:25] <bleb> anyone know what's up with that?
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2109 [18:32:54] <greycat> "mutt" in stretch is indeed neomutt
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2120 [18:39:29] <jelly> mostly because mutt had to alive upstream for so long
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2123 [18:39:44] <jelly> had no* upstream alive
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2130 [18:42:44] <awer> failing to locate the correct room - how can I grep out all lines form a file starting with either '03/14/2019' or '03/13/2019'
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2132 [18:43:24] <greycat> grep '^03/1[34]/2019' myfile
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2140 [18:47:10] <jelly> !kernel
2141 [18:47:12] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.1, mainline: 5.1, stable 5.0: 5.0.14, longterm 4.19: 4.19.41, longterm 4.14: 4.14.117, longterm 4.9: 4.9.174, longterm 4.4: 4.4.179, longterm 3.18: 3.18.139 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.66, linux-next: next-20190508
2142 [18:47:12] <awer> greycat: thanks, i tried but didnt match anything
2143 [18:47:31] <awer> greycat: using zsh by the way
2144 [18:47:31] <dvs> 5.1 is out!
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2146 [18:47:35] <greycat> perhaps there's some whitespace before the date
2147 [18:47:45] <greycat> dvs: and buster is in full freeze.
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2150 [18:47:56] <awer> greycat: no white space
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2153 [18:48:08] <dvs> O_O
2154 [18:48:12] <dvs> what a day!
2155 [18:48:17] <greycat> hex dump one of the lines you think should match and see what the line REALLY has in it
2156 [18:48:31] <jelly> awer: verify if there's invisibl stuff in there, head -n2 file | hexdump -C
2157 [18:49:07] <jelly> heh
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2159 [18:49:59] <jelly> (two lines also provide a clue to a linesep pattern)
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2165 [18:51:01] <awer> 31 39 20 30 33 3a 31 35 |03/14/2019 03:15|
2166 [18:51:05] <awer> looks ok?
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2168 [18:51:32] <awer> they are logs from responder
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2171 [18:51:49] <jelly> that is not a complete line from hexdump.
2172 [18:52:15] <greycat> Indeed. You're only showing the "19 03:15" part.
2173 [18:52:57] <awer> 01334af0 31 39 20 30 33 3a 33 32 3a 32 33 20 50 4d 20 2d |19 03:32:23 PM -|
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2175 [18:52:59] <jelly> but the lack of . on the ascii dump side kind of implies there are no shenanigans going on, at least not at line beginning
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2177 [18:53:27] <awer> looks normal with cat but i guess thats why you said you hexdump
2178 [18:53:41] <jelly> awer: surely your head -n2 did not output 0x01334af0 bytes?!
2179 [18:54:03] <awer> sorry took off the head -2 because those arent the ranges i was looking for
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2182 [18:54:39] <jelly> these are not the bytes WE were looking for
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2184 [18:54:59] <awer> my apologies
2185 [18:55:00] <awer> 00000000 31 30 2f 32 33 2f 32 30 31 38 20 31 30 3a 33 39 |10/23/2018 10:39|
2186 [18:55:00] <awer> 00000010 3a 35 36 20 41 4d 20 2d 20 52 65 73 70 6f 6e 64 |:56 AM - Respond|
2187 [18:55:03] <jelly> (to make sure what a line beginning looked like)
2188 [18:55:20] <jelly> that seems sane
2189 [18:55:38] <awer> is because im using zsh?
2190 [18:55:43] <jelly> but we still don't see how the line ends.
2191 [18:55:53] <jelly> your shell has nothing to do with hexdump output
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2195 [18:56:14] <jelly> or grep.
2196 [18:56:30] <jelly> (zsh does not have a grep builtin... yet)
2197 [18:56:34] <awer> this is what a line looks like 03/14/2019 01:08:34 PM - [*] [LLMNR] Poisoned answer sent to 1.1.1.1 for name PC
2198 [18:56:58] <dff> replaced-url
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2200 [18:57:31] <awer> its got sensitive inforamtion in it so cant really share.
2201 [18:57:32] <jelly> awer: does grep '^10/23/2018' file | head show anything?
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2203 [18:58:13] <awer> jelly: yes it does
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2206 [18:58:42] <awer> 10 entries all starting with "10/23/2018"
2207 [18:58:44] <jelly> awer: and, does grep '^03/1[34]/2019' file ... say anything at all?
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2211 [18:59:25] <jelly> like, maybe "Binary file matches"
2212 [18:59:29] <awer> jelly: no
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2214 [18:59:40] <awer> jelly: well it says "Binary file Responder-Session-PF.log matches"
2215 [18:59:48] <jelly> precisely.
2216 [18:59:52] <awer> which is the name of the file
2217 [18:59:53] <jelly> use -a
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2219 [19:00:17] <awer> jelly: ah hah!
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2221 [19:00:27] <jelly> greycat: see it's at this point I'd do a *plonk* if I were you!
2222 [19:00:30] <awer> jelly: thank you sir/madam
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2225 [19:00:45] <jelly> but I just *sigh* quietly
2226 [19:01:20] <awer> jelly: sorry just new to this ..
2227 [19:01:35] <awer> was using -e earlier
2228 [19:01:48] <awer> then learnt of egrep = grep -e
2229 [19:01:48] <greycat> 12:47 awer> greycat: thanks, i tried but didnt match anything
2230 [19:01:59] <greycat> 12:59 awer> jelly: well it says "Binary file Responder-Session-PF.log matches"
2231 [19:02:03] <jelly> awer: yeah, next time, if someone asks "does command say anything", that includes anything on EITHER stdout or stderr
2232 [19:02:25] <awer> jelly: noted
2233 [19:02:31] <greycat> It's a bit of a puzzler how someone can see "Binary file ... matches" and report that as "didnt match anything"
2234 [19:02:49] * jelly lights up some matches and watches the world burn
2235 [19:02:56] <awer> greycat: becuase im thikin it didnt match anything.
2236 [19:02:57] <greycat> and no, egrep is grep -E NOT grep -e
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2238 [19:03:14] <jelly> (case is important with linux commands)
2239 [19:03:21] <awer> awer: ok i need to study basics.
2240 [19:03:22] <awer> thanks
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2246 [19:05:04] <awer> where should questions about regex be asked?
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2270 [19:16:51] <jhutchins_wk> ! regex
2271 [19:16:51] <dpkg> from memory, regex is ^[$%]?s/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\)+/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\\)*/[i]?$, or tutorial at replaced-url
2272 [19:17:07] <jelly> awer: a #regex channel here on freenode that is.
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2275 [19:19:55] <nehemiah> I'm booting Debian from an iSCSI target. But shutting down fails with the message 'failed execute shutdown binary'. I suspect that is because the network goes down before it executes the binary loosing the root drive.
2276 [19:20:21] <bleb> 12:39 < jelly> mostly because mutt had to alive upstream for so long
2277 [19:20:23] <nehemiah> Is there a ways to keep the network active so that the machine can execute the shutdown binary?
2278 [19:20:30] <bleb> jelly: when was the gap?
2279 [19:21:01] <bleb> looking at mutt.org it looks like 1.8.0 came out 2-3 months after 1.7.2
2280 [19:21:11] <jelly> bleb: like debian 6 - debian 8
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2282 [19:21:46] <jelly> bleb: debian accumuled _lots_ of patches
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2284 [19:22:38] <jelly> afaik neomutt was created as a way to manage those patches across multiple distros
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2286 [19:23:56] <annadane> i'm wondering about emacs's upgrade path, stretch has 24 and 25, presumably buster will keep 25 for upgrade purposes, but then what of bullseye...
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2289 [19:24:23] <annadane> i'll probably just install from nix anyway but just as a curiosity
2290 [19:24:31] <bleb> jelly: so by "not alive" you mean mutt devs were making releases but not merging patches?
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2300 [19:27:38] <Kurogane> Hello, i've a problem with connecting to ssh when my box is a full speed, there is anyway to connecting? the only why to get connect again is reboot the server but when my connect is back to full speed happen again
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2303 [19:28:55] <jelly> bleb: pretty much. Consider the number of non-bugfix releases 2010-2016.
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2307 [19:30:07] <jelly> bleb: replaced-url
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2312 [19:31:01] <jelly> bleb: a single bug-fix release in three years does not look like a live upstream
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2315 [19:32:50] <Sepultura> jelly: have you tried to run WINE on WSL ? :D
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2320 [19:34:50] <jelly> Sepultura: current WSL does not have graphical capability, if you want to use X11 apps you need a windows-native X server, or run X on a different system
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2323 [19:36:18] <jelly> Sepultura: if you want that kind of thing, try ReactOS.
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2335 [19:44:09] <bleb> jelly: i see, i think i understand. thanks
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2377 [20:05:05] <neilthereildeil> how can i stop supervisord?
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2381 [20:05:21] <jelly> how did you start it, neilthereildeil?
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2383 [20:05:35] <greycat> ,file bin/supervisord
2384 [20:05:39] <judd> Search for bin/supervisord in stretch/amd64: supervisor: usr/bin/supervisord
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2393 [20:06:48] <greycat> looks like "daemontools written in python" from the pkg descr
2394 [20:06:54] <neilthereildeil> supervisord -c path/to/cfg
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2396 [20:07:11] <neilthereildeil> but that doesnt stop it
2397 [20:07:27] <neilthereildeil> oops i meant thats how i started it
2398 [20:07:29] <greycat> what does its documentation say?
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2400 [20:07:42] <ChunkzZ> I've been an Ubuntu user for years... never really "tested" Debian, I know Ubuntu is based off Debian.. anyway I have moved my server over to Debian 9 and was thinking about installing it on my desktop. can I test Buster?
2401 [20:07:45] <neilthereildeil> supervisord stop servicename:
2402 [20:08:07] <neilthereildeil> greycat: but that doesnt owrk
2403 [20:08:11] <neilthereildeil> i still see it listed in top
2404 [20:08:14] <dvs> ChunkzZ, well, buster won't be testing for much longer.
2405 [20:08:16] <greycat> "it"
2406 [20:08:30] <greycat> WHAT do you see in top
2407 [20:08:33] <neilthereildeil> supervisorctl stop servicename:
2408 [20:08:33] <greycat> WHAT did you expect to see
2409 [20:08:45] <neilthereildeil> i see supervisord listed in top
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2411 [20:08:48] <ChunkzZ> dvs, any idea how long? just curious. :)
2412 [20:09:03] <neilthereildeil> but after i run "supervisorctl stop servicename:" it should be gone
2413 [20:09:09] <dvs> ChunkzZ, a month or two? Not long.
2414 [20:09:15] <ChunkzZ> Ubuntu's server is terribly slow on my old hardware dvs hence why I've moved to Debian.
2415 [20:09:20] <annadane> stretch released june 2017 and release is roughly (not exactly) once every 2 years
2416 [20:09:21] <greycat> the documentation told you that "supervisorctl stop servicename" would stop the ENTIRE supervisor and not the name service?!
2417 [20:09:28] <jadax> ChunkzZ maybe your hardware is just slow
2418 [20:09:30] <greycat> (why would you supply a service name?)
2419 [20:09:33] <jelly> neilthereildeil: you think supervisord is itself a service under supervisord?
2420 [20:09:41] <annadane> essentially when release critical bugs go to zero, though there are exceptions
2421 [20:09:45] <ChunkzZ> jadax, nope, debian is fine with it. so is arch; ubuntu is like a snail.
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2424 [20:10:03] <jadax> interesting, do you use Gnome/KDE?
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2426 [20:10:17] <ChunkzZ> nope, I was trying their server image.
2427 [20:10:23] <neilthereildeil> jelly: no, that wouldnt make sense
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2430 [20:11:13] <neilthereildeil> jelly: wait im confused. are you asking me a question or was this rhetorical? it gets lost in text
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2432 [20:11:36] <greycat> neilthereildeil: why did you think your command which includes a service name would kill the over-arching umbrella supervisord?
2433 [20:11:56] <greycat> what does the documentation REALLY say about killing the main supervisor?
2434 [20:12:04] <jelly> neilthereildeil: the command line you suggest looks as it is supposed to stop a service that supervisord is managing. not stop supervisord itself.
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2443 [20:15:08] <jelly> ChunkzZ: you can test a buster installer, or install stretch (debian 9) and do a release upgrade to buster to test buster, or both.
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2447 [20:16:54] <bla> It's second time that RC1 installer in virt-manager, after switching to tty2, "breaks" and I can't return to tty1. Hard to tell why. Maybe the keyboard layout is wrongly set for tty2 (worked in tty1?)
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2451 [20:18:25] <jelly> bla: does Alt + cursor Left/Right still work?
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2454 [20:19:27] <jelly> (to switch VTs)
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2457 [20:20:15] <bla> Hm. This time after few minutes, it started behaving ok, I managed to close the terminal and return to tty1 - the base install finished in the meantime.
2458 [20:20:34] <bla> I haven't had chance to try alt+, but previously it hanged later so I'll check this. I've got console photo too.
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2460 [20:22:58] <Sepultura> jelly: do you like to make Experiments?
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2467 [20:25:08] <jelly> Sepultura: I'm not German, so no capitalized nouns for me, no
2468 [20:25:25] <bla> replaced-url
2469 [20:26:09] <jelly> bla: get a weekly build and try again, rc1 is like a month old now?
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2486 [20:35:09] <bla> I started with daily, but there was kernel mismatch (modules not detected)
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2488 [20:35:28] <bla> Probably should have gone with weekly... but well. Page suggests RC1. ;-)
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2494 [20:37:14] <bla> Maybe it's caused by the dark-mode...
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2531 [20:48:22] <x5a17ed> Hi, what do I need to put into my preseed.cfg so that the installer for debian 9 will set the keyboard layout to de with nodeadkezs in the new installation? It seems that d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select de only affects the installer itself
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2556 [21:08:36] <LovellyEmma> i have sexy body,big Ass,Nice boobs, Clean WET pussy.See my all picture then knock me. I am sexy girl looking for crazy sex and love sucking dick. Watch me Live FREE: replaced-url
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2559 [21:09:44] <JohnDoe2> so the target audience is debian users. interesting
2560 [21:09:53] <greycat> No. They're hitting multiple channels.
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2572 [21:18:31] <diogenes_> i bet someone clicked on that link.
2573 [21:18:51] <greycat> there's nothing we can do once it's been posted
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2591 [21:32:09] <f0x> hm, is cryptsetup not included in the debian netinst?
2592 [21:32:16] <f0x> can't seem to access it from the shell
2593 [21:32:23] <rwp> nehemiah, I remember it now! Look at 'man interfaces' for use with ifupdown for "no-auto-down". That's the feature you are asking for.
2594 [21:32:33] <diffy> maybe offtopic,but would an additional addon on torbrowser like darkreader would compromise security/anonimity of TB?zerothreat modell in my case using tor just for support
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2599 [21:35:30] <rwp> nehemiah, Of course I don't know what network tool you are using but at least with ifupdown's no-auto-down option you know that it works with ifupdown and at least know the details of the feature you need.
2600 [21:38:24] <ChunkzZ> right now I'm on Stretch, can I add (?) lines to my sources.list and upgrade to testing? there's an app I want but it's really old on stretch and it's new on buster. :(
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2602 [21:38:50] <greycat> dpkg stretch->buster
2603 [21:38:50] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
2604 [21:39:30] <dka_> Hi, I have /bin/bash: line 110: envsubst: command not found
2605 [21:39:35] <dka_> within the Docker Debian image
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2607 [21:39:40] <dka_> How can I install it ?
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2614 [21:43:05] <nkuttler> dka_: same as outside of docker
2615 [21:43:15] <dka_> gettext-base?
2616 [21:43:16] <annadane> ChunkzZ, but that also depends on whether you can run it on stable anyway and whether you feel it's really worth it to upgrade to testing
2617 [21:43:18] <dka_> isn't it default?
2618 [21:43:32] <nkuttler> dka_: who knows how the docker images are built..
2619 [21:44:02] <nkuttler> btw, there is no "the" docker debian image, there are many
2620 [21:44:12] <dka_> what about debian:jessie ?
2621 [21:44:31] <dka_> or debian:stretch ?
2622 [21:44:32] <nkuttler> jessie is pretty much obsolete
2623 [21:44:40] <nkuttler> what about them?
2624 [21:45:03] <dka_> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
2625 [21:45:08] <dka_> How do I fix that ?
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2627 [21:45:15] <nkuttler> don't use jessie
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2629 [21:45:42] <nkuttler> dka_: or see replaced-url
2630 [21:46:01] <nkuttler> if you must absolutely use jessie
2631 [21:46:31] <koollman> dka_: stay in the past and use archive mirrors, or come back to present days with an upgrade to a more recent debian version
2632 [21:46:56] <nkuttler> the reason i started my first docker container was to run an obsolete debian release ;)
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2634 [21:47:51] <nkuttler> well, at the time it was just oldstable i guess
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2637 [21:49:47] <dka_> Thanks
2638 [21:49:51] <dka_> I have added: RUN apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update
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2642 [21:50:00] <dka_> but still got : E: Release file for replaced-url
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2647 [21:52:58] <And1am0> need assistance with researching new techniques in the cyber security sector or a.k.a. Security Penetration Tester.
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2651 [21:55:23] <RoyK> And1am0: start out with openvas and take it from there
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2658 [21:57:37] <LtL> And1am0: you might try ##security ..over 1000 people there
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2661 [21:58:30] <annadane> awesome, they started with that and not "hi i'm running kali how do i turn off the computer?"
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2663 [21:59:04] <greycat> yes, it was polite of them to warn me to /ignore before I got invested in anything else they said
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2674 [22:08:06] <wr> what do i install on debian if i want to use rdp?
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2681 [22:10:39] <RoyK> xrdp?
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2710 [22:13:34] <jhutchins_wk> wr: You can also use one of the VNC programs.
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2716 [22:13:58] <jhutchins_wk> wr: I wouldn't recommend trying to use it over WAN though.
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2919 [22:24:10] <grobi> hi guys is unoconv a pkg coming along with stretch?
2920 [22:24:21] <greycat> ,v unoconv
2921 [22:24:22] <judd> Package: unoconv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6-6; buster: 0.7-1.1; sid: 0.7-1.1; stretch: 0.7-1.1
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2925 [22:24:38] <greycat> not new in stretch, but yes it is in stretch
2926 [22:24:39] <grobi> thank you
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2954 [22:37:11] <ChunkzZ> trying to run this: openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/vpn.conf --daemon and I get: bash: openvpn: command not found - openvpn is installed???
2955 [22:37:40] <greycat> ,file bin/openvpn
2956 [22:37:44] <judd> Search for bin/openvpn in stretch/amd64: openvpn: usr/sbin/openvpn
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2958 [22:37:55] <wr> how can send magic packet on debian?
2959 [22:37:58] <greycat> looks like it's in /usr/sbin/ which is perhaps not in your $PATH
2960 [22:38:38] <ChunkzZ> greycat, bash: usr/sbin/openvpn: No such file or directory
2961 [22:38:45] <greycat> you need the leading /
2962 [22:39:13] <greycat> the bot doesn't show it because the bot is reading a list of relative pathnames from an archive, not showing actual paths on a live file system, I think
2963 [22:39:53] <greycat> cf. the output of dpkg -L anypkg
2964 [22:40:14] <greycat> oh, hm, those are absolute... must be some other tool that spits out these relative names
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2968 [22:41:02] <ChunkzZ> greycat, last question.. it says I'm connected but I have no Internet?
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2976 [22:43:51] <ChunkzZ> yep no Internet
2977 [22:43:53] <ChunkzZ> ugh
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2981 [22:44:24] <OerHeks> oh, debian, not ubuntu, ChunkzZ ?
2982 [22:44:31] <ChunkzZ> debian yeah
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2986 [22:45:27] <jhutchins_wk> Check your gateway.
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2988 [22:45:33] <ChunkzZ> how?
2989 [22:45:47] <OerHeks> check if there differences in the debian and ubuntu manual for ovpn
2990 [22:45:54] <jhutchins_wk> ChunkzZ: How did you configure the connection?
2991 [22:46:14] <ChunkzZ> jhutchins_wk, /usr/sbin/openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/vpn.ovpn
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2993 [22:47:54] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, your server is probably configured for local access only, not to forward the connection.
2994 [22:48:16] <ChunkzZ> so how do I change that ? I'm not using network-manager...
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2997 [22:48:54] <jhutchins_wk> ChunkzZ: Not having openvpn at hand to check the docs, I would suggest you start with the manpage and/or whatever guide you used to install it.
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2999 [22:49:34] <jhutchins_wk> ChunkzZ: Or just throw "openvpn no internet" at google.
3000 [22:49:38] <somiaj> on debian /usr/share/doc/packagename also contains useful info
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3003 [22:50:14] <agris> Is anyone selling non-X86 (preferably high end ARM64) replacement mainboards for older (pre 2010) IBM ThinkPad computers?
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3005 [22:50:40] <somiaj> You might find ##hardware a more appropriate place to ask such a question.
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3007 [22:51:07] <somiaj> though that is quite specific, might not be that common of knowledge
3008 [22:51:16] <somiaj> hence, start looking google.
3009 [22:51:30] <greycat> or perhaps an ARM specialized channel
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3011 [22:52:32] <neilthereildeil> can someone please help me run losetup from my supervisord.conf file?
3012 [22:52:42] <greycat> ...
3013 [22:52:47] <neilthereildeil> i added a section called [program:loopDevices]
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3016 [22:53:04] <greycat> What version of Debian are you using, what init system are you using, and why did you add this python supervisor thing to it?
3017 [22:53:12] <neilthereildeil> command = /sbin/losetup -f /home/VirtualMachines/Windows10/Windows10LVM.img
3018 [22:53:58] <ChunkzZ> done, I had to edit the resolv.conf
3019 [22:53:58] <neilthereildeil> Debian 9.9
3020 [22:54:00] <ChunkzZ> thanks. :)
3021 [22:54:17] <neilthereildeil> i think debian always uses systemd, right?
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3023 [22:54:25] <greycat> Debian 8 and later use systemd by default.
3024 [22:54:33] <neilthereildeil> im working with another project and they said to use supervisord
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3026 [22:55:04] <greycat> then perhaps you should be asking them for help, since very few people here seem to know anything about supervisor
3027 [22:55:09] <neilthereildeil> greycat: i was in here yesterday asking you about attaching a loop device via init scripts
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3029 [22:55:27] <greycat> and we suggested you use systemd unit files instead because they are 10 times easier
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3032 [22:55:38] <neilthereildeil> but i am trying to do it via this supervisord.conf
3033 [22:55:44] <greycat> writing a sysv-rc script is HORRIBLE
3034 [22:56:00] <neilthereildeil> this isnt a sysv-rc script through
3035 [22:56:07] <greycat> good
3036 [22:56:18] <neilthereildeil> supervisor is the service and it runs whatever you configure in the conf file
3037 [22:56:26] <neilthereildeil> i have most of it working
3038 [22:56:28] <greycat> yes, jelly and I guessed that much from the pkg description
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3041 [22:57:24] <neilthereildeil> command = /sbin/losetup -f /home/VirtualMachines/Windows10/Windows10LVM.img
3042 [22:57:30] <neilthereildeil> for some reason that line doesnt get run
3043 [22:57:47] <neilthereildeil> do i need to add it to the programs= line too?
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3045 [22:57:55] <greycat> nobody here knows supervisor.
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3047 [22:57:59] <neilthereildeil> ah
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3051 [23:00:48] <greycat> there's a #supervisor channel with 19 people
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3056 [23:01:33] <jhutchins_wk> Possibly #python
3057 [23:01:56] <greycat> It uses a monolithic .conf file?! Gack, why.
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3060 [23:02:18] <greycat> Even sysv didn't make THAT mistake.
3061 [23:03:40] <greycat> Anyway, I will once again repeat my earlier advice that you just write a systemd unit file for this thing. It would be a whole lot easier than introducing a whole new pseudo-init system that you don't already know and that nobody here knows either.
3062 [23:04:07] <greycat> If you were on wheezy, or if you had prior experience with supervisor and were using it because you already knew it, that would be different....
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3080 [23:18:49] <mono> .
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3092 [23:30:56] <ChunkzZ> how can I stop NetworkManager from overriding resolv.conf? dns=none doesn't work...
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3098 [23:34:25] <mono> chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf
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3100 [23:34:40] <mono> maybe even
3101 [23:34:44] <jmcnaught> ChunkzZ: check out the resolvconf package, it's for when multiple programs want to control resolv.conf
3102 [23:34:45] <mono> chown
3103 [23:35:02] <RoyK> chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
3104 [23:35:05] <jmcnaught> ChunkzZ: also NetworkManager can manage openvpn connections for you
3105 [23:35:24] <RoyK> with the i attr, not even root can touch it
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3107 [23:35:42] <ChunkzZ> jmcnaught, I don't have a gui, so no networkmanager.
3108 [23:35:52] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: nwcli?
3109 [23:35:57] <jmcnaught> ChunkzZ: nmcli and nmtui
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3111 [23:36:37] <RoyK> still, the quick-and-dirty way is chattr +i
3112 [23:36:46] <jmcnaught> ChunkzZ: or disable NetworkManager entirely if you don't want to use it
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3115 [23:40:35] <ChunkzZ> RoyK, I ran that command but now I've remove NM. can I undo it?
3116 [23:42:42] <RoyK> chattr -i
3117 [23:42:55] <ChunkzZ> yeah but it's still not working
3118 [23:42:56] <ChunkzZ> ugh
3119 [23:43:04] <ChunkzZ> nameserver 194.168.4.100
3120 [23:43:05] <ChunkzZ> nameserver 194.168.8.100
3121 [23:43:35] <RoyK> using good old /etc/network/interfaces ?
3122 [23:44:03] <ChunkzZ> yeah
3123 [23:44:14] <RoyK> can you pastebinit, please?
3124 [23:44:24] <ChunkzZ> how?
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3126 [23:44:34] <RoyK> pastebinit /etc/network/interfaces
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3130 [23:45:53] <ChunkzZ> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
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3132 [23:46:14] <ChunkzZ> sigh
3133 [23:46:16] <ChunkzZ> brb
3134 [23:46:21] <dvs> no paste?
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3138 [23:47:42] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: apt-get update
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3141 [23:49:47] <Krennic> hmm
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3155 [23:58:10] <maxcell_> Hi, i can't install virtualbox-guest package on my Buster. It asking me to remove virtualbox in order to install the Guest package.
3156 [23:58:23] <maxcell_> How can i proceed
3157 [23:58:26] <maxcell_> ?
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