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• 56[00:51:36] <jaczel> Hi, I have a question about bug reporting which I am relatively new to. I've just upgraded to Debian Buster and have noticed a bug within Totem. When double-clicking or pressing Shift-F to enter full screen mode the video resolution does not resize, just the window. The video continues to play in the top left-hand side of the screen while the rest of the screen is taken up by a black background. Doing some reading around this se
• 57[00:51:38] <jaczel> ems to be related to wayland-egl and it is being tracked in the Gnome bug tracking list and seems to have been resolved, however this fix hasn't made it to Debian Buster, here is a link to the issue replaced-url
• 58[00:51:40] <jaczel> racker on the Totem package? Any guidance in regards to bug-tracking would be appreciated.
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• 72[01:04:53] <azta> !moo
• 73[01:04:53] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
• 74[01:05:54] <humpled> also cowsay and xcowsay :)
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• 78[01:07:15] <azta> always loved a moo; changed a bit
• 79[01:07:26] <azta> been a while
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• 82[01:08:51] <azta> I had supercowpowers dot org for some years for the love of moo
• 83[01:09:10] <azta> a bit personal, I know
• 84[01:09:15] <humpled> wowz
• 85[01:09:32] <azta> yep
• 86[01:09:42] <humpled> didn't aptitude have that message about not having supercowpowers, didn't really understand it
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• 88[01:12:23] <azta> I don't even know, someone liked milk?
• 89[01:12:25] <azta> apt-get moo
• 90[01:13:52] <somiaj> yea apt-get moo and aptitude moo at different verbosities.
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• 99[01:19:21] <de-facto> holy cow!
• 100[01:21:29] <pagetelegram> I had a TEE test done and got the disc....I do not know the format. The documentation says some lossless jpg format yet files range in kb to 70mb each, 57 of them total and can't load them in anything. Merge Cardio is the software that suppose to manage them. What can I use on Debian to see what format they are and how to view?
• 101[01:21:41] <zellfaze> sudo apt-get moo
• 102[01:21:50] <zellfaze> The holy cow! /\
• 103[01:22:25] <pagetelegram> And what is all this moo? lol
• 104[01:23:02] <zellfaze> I was just lurking and saw the holy cow from de-facto. The apt-get moo thing is an easter egg in apt-get
• 105[01:23:08] <zellfaze> (You can run it without sudo to try it)
• 106[01:23:29] <somiaj> pagetelegram: have you tried an image viewer like feh or display (from imagemagick)
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• 108[01:23:35] <azta> pagetelegram: what have you tried?
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• 112[01:24:57] <pagetelegram> Mostly just on Windows tried Photoshop and tried mplayer....iskysoft video converter loads it as a bunch of random colored boxes.
• 113[01:25:03] <pagetelegram> I will try feh
• 114[01:25:34] <pagetelegram> no file extension btw
• 115[01:25:55] <somiaj> what does 'file' say about the files, 'file /path/to/file/withoutextension'
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• 117[01:26:22] <somiaj> also if it is an image, and imagemagick can't view it, you may have to do some more research. Imagemagick can handel almost all images
• 118[01:26:31] <pagetelegram> USmf is the prefix
• 119[01:27:59] <pagetelegram> getting them over to debian now and will check. Had no idea file was a command
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• 124[01:29:44] <azta> its not, it's an app :)
• 125[01:30:08] <pagetelegram> DICOM medical imaging data is file format
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• 128[01:31:48] <azta> !google "DICOM medical imaging data file format"
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• 130[01:31:50] <azta> aw
• 131[01:32:08] <pagetelegram> dicomscope will download and try
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• 134[01:32:29] <azta> well, stick debian after that string on the google machine and you get debian-med
• 135[01:32:43] <zellfaze> If you get them open, you might want to put them into some sort of easier to open format after.
• 136[01:32:59] <pagetelegram> saw that too, also dicomscope is another in the repositories
• 137[01:33:52] <pagetelegram> file command is wonderful! All this time I had no idea ;)
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• 143[01:41:46] <dasnadas> ohla
• 144[01:42:01] <azta> poor dpkg
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• 148[01:43:47] <azta> dpkg say you've always been here azta
• 149[01:43:47] <dpkg> you've always been here azta
• 150[01:43:54] <azta> dpkg thanks
• 151[01:43:54] <dpkg> azta: my pleasure
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• 157[01:52:39] <azta> I need a daemon. It has to periodically run some scripts. It should redirect stdout/stderr itself to make and control its own logfiles. It should periodically recycle its logfiles itself.
• 158[01:53:24] <azta> I have lots of scripts that need to run between every 10 to 60 minutes
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• 162[01:55:46] <jmcnaught> that can all be accomplished with systemd
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• 164[01:57:48] <jmcnaught> make .service units for the scripts, make .timer units for them. each service unit's journal can be checked separately or together with journalctl
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• 173[02:00:27] <azta> jmcnaught: upstart wont add anything usefull for my use case right?
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• 175[02:01:10] <jmcnaught> ,v upstart
• 176[02:01:11] <judd> Package: upstart on amd64 -- jessie: 1.11-5
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• 178[02:01:57] <azta> ok
• 179[02:01:58] <jmcnaught> azta: it's not available except for oldstable for one, and also why add software to your system if you're already running software perfectly capable of what you need to do?
• 180[02:02:43] <jmcnaught> azta: if you're opposed to systemd for some reason you could also check out daemontools
• 181[02:03:10] <jmcnaught> and well… cron and syslog
• 182[02:03:50] <dasnadas> need help.... whenever i download image from osboxes and unzip with 7-zips, it always tells me that the vm file is corrupted and wont able to open in vmware
• 183[02:03:54] <azta> jmcnaught: because I was hoping for launchd, but if systemd is the way then I'm happy
• 184[02:04:05] <azta> jmcnaught: thanks
• 185[02:06:15] <jmcnaught> azta: you're welcome. From what I understand systemd and launchd are fairly similar
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• 199[02:15:10] <Wikiwide> What's the recommended type of partition table to create on new 1TB SSD drive? I am trying to rescue data from 9yo 500GB hard drive disk (with bad sectors?) which includes two ntfs partitions, three ext4 partitions and one swap partition. So far, I think I should create two partitions (with what file system?) for future rescuing from ntfs, and tell Debian Graphic install to create ext4+swap partitions in the remaining/larger part of
• 200[02:15:12] <Wikiwide> 1TB SSD.
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• 202[02:16:06] <Wikiwide> Darn, I will shut down the laptop again. I have forgotten to ask BIOS whether this ancient laptop supports UEFI/GPT.
• 203[02:16:19] <Wikiwide> Fujitsu Lifebook S7210
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• 211[02:21:24] <ozfalcon> If I switch from XFCE to a tty1 (ALT-F1) how do I enable command history/completion etc.
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• 214[02:22:14] <azta> that would have bene nice
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• 217[02:22:57] <Wikiwide> I still don't get it. How do I see in BIOS whether it supports GPT/UEFI?
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• 225[02:25:30] <Wikiwide> It doesn't have legacy boot, secure boot or anything anywhere in BIOS setup.
• 226[02:25:57] <dvs> Wikiwide, depends on the BIOS. Most UEFI settings have a choice between legary and UEFI boot modes
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• 230[02:26:58] <karlpinc> Wikiwide: If you really want to rescue, use ddrescue and image the whole drive without otherwise touching it. The more you access it, by going through the file systems etc., the more can fail.
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• 232[02:28:40] <Wikiwide> Alright. What options do I use for ddrescue, and what do I do afterwards?
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• 242[02:36:24] <Wikiwide> I have source hard drive, /dev/sdc, shows up in blkid along with /dev/sdb (USB stick I am getting Debian installer from). Blkid says nothing about /dev/sda though?
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• 253[02:43:56] <Wikiwide> I don't like it. Parted sees /dev/sda as 1TB SSD. Blkid doesn't see /dev/sda. What is going on?
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• 260[02:47:17] <Wikiwide> And of course, there is no ddrescue in Debian's graphic install mode.
• 261[02:48:01] <Wikiwide> dd, yes. From Busybox v1.22.1
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• 265[02:55:45] <Wikiwide> I am annoyed in a myriad ways at Debian Graphic install mode. Where do I complain?
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• 267[02:57:58] <violentE> normally I just lurk here, but I thought what the hell, Wikiwide: are you running blkid as root
• 268[02:58:44] <Wikiwide> Yes. Because what other option is here when running Graphic install mode from a debian livecd/liveusb?
• 269[02:59:12] <Wikiwide> And parted sees /dev/sda. And blkid doesn't.
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• 271[03:00:50] <Wikiwide> Well, blkid does see /dev/sda now. Because parted created a partition table on it.
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• 275[03:03:06] <Wikiwide> Ctrl+Alt+F4 and Ctrl+Alt+F5 are both equally annoying when it comes to "I want to interrupt the process now" - they have no idea whatsoever that user may wish to pause or cancel for any number of reasons.
• 276[03:04:36] <Wikiwide> Like, where are Memtest for RAM and SMART scan for hard drive? I would have expected them to be important options in a livecd/liveusb...
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• 281[03:10:22] <Wikiwide> Oh, and touchpad in Graphic Install Mode behaves very differently from a typical laptop touchpad. It behaves like a phone touchscreen - like a mouse - no gestures. Workable but unexpected.
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• 283[03:12:49] <rant> idk what you're talking about exactly but I do know you're contradicting yourself.. a phone's touchscreen most certainly supports gestures
• 284[03:13:51] <Wikiwide> I mean that when I touch top right corner of touchpad, mouse jumps to top right corner of display.
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• 287[03:14:44] <Wikiwide> That's typical for a phone's touchscreen, but not for a laptop's touch pad. And it makes movements of mouse jerky and difficult to predict.
• 288[03:14:49] <rant> again, idk if english isn't your first language or not.. but thats the cursor, not the mouse, the mouse is a kind of pointing device.. and thats called absolute pointing
• 289[03:15:09] <rant> using the wrong terms will confuse people
• 290[03:15:55] <Wikiwide> Yes, this absolute pointing makes me reach for the keyboard when "Continue" button needs to be clicked. Cursor would just miss it, likely.
• 291[03:16:30] <rant> most PC pointing devices are relative.. any action moves the cursor relative to its current position.. the kinda of behavior you seem to be describing is called absolute pointing where the cursor can jump from one location to another
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• 293[03:18:14] <rant> however a behavior I call "casting" and idk if there is an official name for it, can be done on most touchpads its a lot like casting a line on a fishing pole.. you use two fingers.. i.e. place one say in the lower left, then another in the upper right and when you lift the lower left, it'll "cast" the pointer a great distance up and to the right
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• 295[03:19:19] <rant> doesnt do that on this particular touchpad.. I think THAT behavior is more common on old ones that arent multitouch
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• 297[03:21:39] <Wikiwide> No idea. Wish it was possible to see two cursors on display upon connecting two pointing devices.
• 298[03:22:23] <Wikiwide> What kernel to install : linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 ?
• 299[03:22:33] <rant> only one of those is a kernel
• 300[03:22:40] <aloo_shu> [02:04] <Wikiwide> Like, where are Memtest for RAM and SMART scan for hard drive? I would have expected them to be important options in a livecd/liveusb...<--- you might be interested in the (debian based) gparted live rescue cd, a good thing to have around
• 301[03:22:53] <jmcnaught> Wikiwide: linux-image-amd64
• 302[03:22:57] <rant> Wikiwide: the former is just a metapackage that will depend on and pull in the latest kernel
• 303[03:23:28] <Wikiwide> Latest is fine, I guess. Will go for linux-image-amd64.
• 304[03:24:15] <rant> and in re memtest, thats now built-in to the kernel and has been for some time
• 305[03:24:31] <Wikiwide> Targeted initrd. I am installing Debian for this laptop, not for booting everywhere.
• 306[03:25:36] <rant> CONFIG_MEMTEST=y in debian kernels which means it can be ran with a command line parameter at boot
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• 309[03:28:33] <Wikiwide> I do want to install SSH server. It's quite useful - for killing out-of-control processes on laptop, or whatever.
• 310[03:29:25] <Wikiwide> Gnome is Gtk3, right? And KDE is Qt, right? Don't want them. What are Xfce, Cinnamon, MATE and LXDE?
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• 312[03:29:54] <Wikiwide> Print server, probably not needed, but just in case.
• 313[03:30:42] <rant> those are all based on GTK as well
• 314[03:30:57] <rant> MATE is a fork of Gnome 2.x
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• 316[03:31:14] <led_belly> does anybody know how to get touch screen functionality on debian + xfce4?
• 317[03:31:35] <rant> I know it requires having a touch screen :D
• 318[03:31:40] <Wikiwide> My preferred window manager is Sawfish. And I don't think it's default in any of these desktop environments. Yes, MATE sounds slightly familiar; is it lightweight? is it comfortable to use?
• 319[03:32:03] <led_belly> i have a raspberry pi with a small screen
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• 321[03:32:22] <rant> Wikiwide: MATE is very mature and flexible.. and yes.. I was a big fan of sawfish and sadly had to quit using it in recent years
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• 323[03:32:46] <Wikiwide> What is LXDE?
• 324[03:33:09] <rant> its a rather minimalistic windows 9x looking DE
• 325[03:33:14] <rant> !de usage
• 326[03:33:14] <dpkg> de usage is, like, The HDD/RAM usages of the 7 Stretch DE on amd64 VirtualBoxes with 1GB RAM / 32GB HDD are as follows as reported with only their terminals running df -Th and free -h: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M
• 327[03:33:24] <phazon> led_belly: might also try asking in #raspberrypi
• 328[03:33:45] <rant> afaik raspberry pi can't run debian
• 329[03:34:29] <phazon> the non-free boot vpu stuff is in the repos
• 330[03:34:46] <Wikiwide> I would go for LXDE, then. Xfce on another laptop left a bitter taste - couldn't get Bluetooth to show up and auto-magically work.
• 331[03:35:20] <rant> yes well MATE is best for those kinds of things.. its very mature
• 332[03:35:28] <Wikiwide> Well, and MATE as back-up.
• 333[03:35:38] <led_belly> phazon: thnx
• 334[03:35:40] <phazon> led_belly: there is #raspbian as well
• 335[03:35:48] <rant> I had several issues that cropped up going from MATE to XFCE
• 336[03:36:23] <rant> Wikiwide: one thing I really hate about LXDE/LXQT is that they pull in wicd for wireless.. and wicd is a nice idea.. but a horrible implementation
• 337[03:36:29] <Wikiwide> Bluetooth is one of the issues we encountered when going from KDE to Xfce.
• 338[03:36:48] <Wikiwide> I am not a fan of wicd, either.
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• 340[03:37:13] <rant> I do a lot of switching from hdmi and MATE automatically restores my display and sound configuration where XFCE doesnt
• 341[03:37:34] <rant> the multihead support is one of the big reasons I had to stop using sawfish
• 342[03:38:20] <rant> when it comes to multihead and ever growing use of EMWH, sawfish is no longer usable
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• 344[03:38:32] <rant> erm EWMH
• 345[03:38:35] <Wikiwide> Of course, hash sum mismatch. Got to try a different repository.
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• 347[03:39:25] <Wikiwide> libxcb-image9 0.4.0-1+b2 amd64 in mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au repository over https protocol
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• 352[03:41:19] <rant> we tend to recommend using deb.debian.org around here
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• 355[03:42:42] <rant> I find it rather odd the installer still has ftp.debian.org or w/e as the default selection when use of those and httpredir have been recommended against since before stretch came out
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• 357[03:43:13] <Wikiwide> I just went to standard http Australia mirror. Because https protocol doesn't offer country mirrors, just asks to enter manually. This anti-SSL bias is weird.
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• 359[03:44:08] <dvs> ??? They don't allow SSL?
• 360[03:44:58] <Wikiwide> They do allow https, but selecting https means typing in mirror manually. Http is more convenient since you just select a country, and it has mirror pre-typed.
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• 363[03:46:11] <Wikiwide> Sounds like I am getting a super heavy install. Python-numpy...
• 364[03:46:59] <Wikiwide> What's the difference between Grub and Lilo boot loaders?
• 365[03:48:16] <rant> to me use of https is weird and unnecessary
• 366[03:48:24] <dvs> lilo isn't supported anymore?
• 367[03:48:27] <dvs> upstream?
• 368[03:48:50] <rant> too many times in tech have I seen people opt for things just because they were newer or fad, and were just a hinderence
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• 371[03:49:22] <Wikiwide> Why is use of https weird and unnecessary? It reduces risk of MITM or whatever?
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• 373[03:49:43] <rant> the packages are digitally signed
• 374[03:49:53] <rant> https adds overhead
• 375[03:50:07] <rant> we did have a bug not long ago that was fixed which could
• 376[03:50:13] <de-facto> ssl doesnt really make sense in mirrors anyways since the Release file contains the checksums and is crypto signed for verification hence without ssl there can be load balancing and caching proxies without any injecting risk
• 377[03:50:21] <rant> could've gotten around the signatures on non tls
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• 380[03:51:39] <phazon> considering the sad state of CAs like commodo, network solution, et al. there it only provides security theatre againt mitm
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• 382[03:51:59] <Wikiwide> Crypto signed for verification... Interesting. I generally tend to think that at least some key part of communication has to be transferred over a secure channel.
• 383[03:52:16] <de-facto> the initial install disk
• 384[03:52:18] <phazon> diginotar was taken down by one random guy
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• 387[03:55:10] <Wikiwide> How slow can Grub be? I would prefer if it asked "Do you want me to look for other operating systems? On which hard drives? On which partitions? For which operating systems?"
• 388[03:55:13] <de-facto> or of course when you add third party repos: wget -q replaced-url
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• 400[04:00:18] <Wikiwide> Is it possible to interrupt Grub's "looking for other operating systems" during Debian graphic install?
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• 419[04:11:05] <Wikiwide> I wish hard drive enclosures included a battery of their own. So that they would be able to neatly and gracefully handle any and all possible damage from sudden USB unplugging.
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• 424[04:13:19] <de-facto> i think some hdd's use the rotary energy of the disks themselves to retract the heads "click" but it is not a noise i enjoy to hear...
• 425[04:14:07] <Wikiwide> Yes...
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• 427[04:14:43] <Wikiwide> I just don't like it when Graphical install is doing something and I do not know how to safely interrupt it.
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• 434[04:22:56] <jmcnaught> Wikiwide: you can switch to tty4 with Ctrl+Alt+F4 to see what it's doing, then get back to the graphical installer on tty1 with Alt+F1
• 435[04:23:38] <Wikiwide> Yes, but how do I interrupt it?
• 436[04:27:34] <jmcnaught> unless there's a cancel button it's not meant to be interrupted
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• 439[04:29:09] <Wikiwide> Not meant to, no. But if I do want to interrupt it? It is an annoying process which cannot be cancelled. Looking for other operating systems, sure, sssuper, but what if I want to pause/cancel/stop/restart/whatever this lengthy step?
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• 476[04:56:04] <Wikiwide> The same ages old question : when can I unplug USB stick safely?
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• 481[05:00:10] <Wikiwide> .
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• 483[05:00:59] <Wikiwide> Can Grub entries be changed later on, or do they have to be correct right now? Regarding "other operating systems"
• 484[05:01:32] <Wikiwide> Can be manually configured later.
• 485[05:03:06] <Wikiwide> Should I force Grub installation to the EFI removable media path?
• 486[05:04:49] <dvs> Wikiwide, the installer can be restarted in advanced mode and jump rigth to the grub configuration
• 487[05:06:05] <Wikiwide> So, not force now, if it doesn't boot from /dev/sda internal 1TB hard drive, then boot from liveUSB and tell Grub to force installation to the EFI removable media path?
• 488[05:06:06] <rant> expert mode even
• 489[05:06:31] <dvs> that too
• 490[05:07:03] <dvs> You don't need to boot from the live ISO to get to the grub reconfiguration
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• 492[05:09:22] <Wikiwide> Rebooting. Getting into newly installed Debian. Seems to be booting relatively slowly.
• 493[05:09:53] <Wikiwide> Familiar login manager, probably have LXDE to thank for that.
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• 495[05:11:07] <Wikiwide> Synaptic. I need to get wifi driver from non-free.
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• 503[05:16:55] <Wikiwide> Which one is better for rescuing data from hard drive with bad sectors? Partition by partition? So far, I see safecopy, myrescue, gddrescue and gddrescueview
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• 517[05:29:43] <tharkun> I know of this fine program that works sas a single line editor similar to sed but it takes the text and it separates it into columns for filtering et all. Can someone please remind me of the name?
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• 519[05:32:45] <dvs> awk?
• 520[05:34:10] <tharkun> dvs: :*
• 521[05:34:12] <tharkun> Thanks
• 522[05:34:32] <dvs> np
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• 573[06:22:10] <rant> tharkun: there is also column
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• 603[06:44:57] <Nematocyst> apt-upgrade held back various non-free nvidia drivers. it looks like because nvidia-driver-libs:i386 (390.116.1) still depends on version 390.87-8~deb9u1 of nvidia-egl-icd:i386. is that correct, and will that be updated soon if so?
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• 608[06:48:40] <Nematocyst> also several recommends of the 390.87-8 variety. libopengl0:i386, libglx-nvidia0:i386, etc.
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• 623[07:01:06] <rockworld> Hello everyone, does anybody know how to unban a ip with fail2ban?
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• 625[07:01:46] <rant> Nematocyst: file a bug report
• 626[07:02:08] <rant> rockworld: afaik fail2ban just adds firewall rules
• 627[07:02:42] <rockworld> rant: I dont know how to manage iptables really much can you help with the commands please
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• 629[07:03:31] <rant> rockworld: iptables -L
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• 631[07:04:32] <madprops> Is money the reason debian is just getting secureboot support?
• 632[07:04:41] <rockworld> It says unknown option
• 633[07:05:01] <rockworld> ah ok sorry I used a lower case
• 634[07:06:40] <rant> nobody cares is a big reason, the fact that its highly proprietary is another
• 635[07:07:07] <madprops> why wouldn't people care if secureboot is prevalent in modern computers?
• 636[07:07:10] <rockworld> here is the output replaced-url
• 637[07:07:22] <rockworld> but I dont see my ip in it and I dont know what are those ip
• 638[07:08:07] <rockworld> I think that means they are blocked to access right ?
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• 641[07:09:35] <rant> yes
• 642[07:09:58] <rockworld> alright
• 643[07:10:22] <rockworld> but I cant access ssh to my server too many failed attempt
• 644[07:10:23] <rant> by the look of those rules if you can ping the host, its not blocking you
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• 646[07:10:40] <rant> cause it looks like the rules fail2ban makes cause it to not respond to pings
• 647[07:10:52] <rockworld> I will ping it just to see
• 648[07:11:25] <rockworld> ping reached the server
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• 650[07:11:40] <rant> then your problem is not fail2ban
• 651[07:12:29] <rockworld> hum alright maybe it just stopped ssh worked for 2 min cause I tryed with the wrong user
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• 654[07:12:45] <rockworld> and I have been able to connect with my vps
• 655[07:12:54] <rockworld> I should try again
• 656[07:13:41] <rockworld> it work ^^
• 657[07:13:42] <rant> stop the ssh server, run it manually with sshd -d and then add -v or -vv or -vvv to your ssh command
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• 659[07:14:01] <rockworld> it was just like a waiting time
• 660[07:14:09] <rockworld> or maybe a lag I dont know lol
• 661[07:14:10] * rant shrugs
• 662[07:14:24] <rant> rockworld: ssh is laggy, I stopped using it
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• 664[07:14:50] <rockworld> what are you using for a dedicated server
• 665[07:14:54] <rant> rockworld: mosh
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• 667[07:15:16] <rockworld> I never heard about mosh
• 668[07:15:34] <rant> rockworld: it uses the ssh configuration, and uses ssh to negotiate the authentication, then it runs over udp.. can handle infininte lag, can hop networks, etc..
• 669[07:15:39] <rwp> mosh FTW!
• 670[07:15:39] <rant> ,i mosh
• 671[07:15:40] <judd> Package mosh (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: Mobile shell that supports roaming and intelligent local echo. Version: 1.2.6-1+b2; Size: 198.6k; Installed: 789k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 672[07:15:56] <rockworld> hehe
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• 674[07:16:17] <rockworld> I think I should migrate to linux with my own laptop first xD
• 675[07:16:24] <rockworld> I need to learn more about everything
• 676[07:16:59] <rant> Idk.. I would never boot a laptop with anything but debian.. its cruel and unusal punishment
• 677[07:17:13] <rockworld> xD
• 678[07:17:22] <rant> for both me and the laptop
• 679[07:17:23] <rockworld> I started on ubuntu but I prefer debian now
• 680[07:17:43] <rockworld> the only thing is because I play some windows game
• 681[07:18:10] <rockworld> and I tryed to install it on linux few years ago and it was crashing everytime with wine
• 682[07:18:20] <rant> years ago around the time win7 came out, before I stopped servicing windows.. people were brining me machines, especially very frequently laptops, that were totally dead within 6mo of purchase
• 683[07:18:32] <rant> and I mean actual hw failure.. like dead hdds
• 684[07:19:20] <rockworld> lol thats crazy what new cheap laptop around 300$ are laggy on windows 10 lol
• 685[07:19:36] <rant> ever since I can remember windows has thrashed the crap outta hardware.. back in the day you put a cd into a windows computer and it'd spin that damn disc up so hard you would dive for cover fearing it'd shatter and send shrapnel everywhere
• 686[07:19:41] <rockworld> sorry my bad english
• 687[07:19:43] <rant> no other system does crap like that
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• 689[07:20:59] <rockworld> loll yeah
• 690[07:21:10] <rockworld> and what about the migration of windows 8 to 10
• 691[07:21:22] <rockworld> I mean at the time they released it
• 692[07:21:36] <rockworld> it was a pain lol
• 693[07:21:37] <rant> I wouldn't know.. the only migration I do now is from Windows to the trash can
• 694[07:21:47] <rockworld> hahaha
• 695[07:22:03] <rant> first time I boot any machine is with the debian installer
• 696[07:22:06] <rockworld> good idea I think im gonna do that soon too
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• 698[07:22:36] <rant> PCs are like air conditioners, when you open Windows they don't work..
• 699[07:22:43] <rockworld> lolll
• 700[07:23:01] <rant> PCs don't have fences or walls, so why would they need Gates and Windows?
• 701[07:23:28] <rockworld> I think their best release was windows xp
• 702[07:23:31] <rabbitear_sdf> PC's are the on the internet and get to look at these pix that I have and they have
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• 705[07:25:34] <rant> rockworld: if you feel nostalgic or start missing microsoft's ability to keep you from getting things done, you could try the Linux Genuine Advantage replaced-url
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• 708[07:26:40] <rabbitear_sdf> rant: replaced-url
• 709[07:26:53] <rockworld> xD
• 710[07:27:21] <rabbitear_sdf> rant: most people already know what they want to do
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• 713[07:28:55] <rant> rabbitear_sdf: I'm not gay
• 714[07:29:26] <rabbitear_sdf> rant: I don't what to say here
• 715[07:29:36] <rant> I'm sorry to hear that
• 716[07:30:03] <rant> just thought it was worth mentioning since you were streaming me french kisses :P
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• 718[07:30:26] <rabbitear_sdf> oh they are old
• 719[07:30:45] <rabbitear_sdf> I don't care who is gay or not, none of my business
• 720[07:31:07] <rabbitear_sdf> they still get treated the same way
• 721[07:31:18] <rant> yeah well I'm not.. my boyfriend is.. joke's on him..
• 722[07:31:34] <rabbitear_sdf> as other people that I never really had a beer with
• 723[07:32:19] <rabbitear_sdf> well, I think all the gay talk takes up a good conversation
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• 725[07:32:36] <rabbitear_sdf> its not like aborting babes
• 726[07:32:50] <rabbitear_sdf> its just how you feel like talking about your person life
• 727[07:32:58] <rabbitear_sdf> and that is where it can get fun
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• 729[07:33:47] <rabbitear_sdf> actually, I know gay people online/irc and they don't sexualize irc
• 730[07:34:12] <rabbitear_sdf> the non-gay people REALLY overly sexualize irc
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• 733[07:35:03] <rabbitear_sdf> lots of times I'd prefer to talk to a gay guy
• 734[07:35:06] <rabbitear_sdf> on irc
• 735[07:35:16] <rabbitear_sdf> more balanced
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• 737[07:35:42] <rabbitear_sdf> I'm a male, that is not gay
• 738[07:35:47] <rabbitear_sdf> just to say
• 739[07:35:59] <rockworld> there is a way to rm -r whats inside /var/replaced-url
• 740[07:36:06] <rockworld> Im not sure if my command is right
• 741[07:36:32] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: ./ is there you are
• 742[07:36:46] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: like rm / <-- from the root
• 743[07:37:06] <rockworld> ./ is where im at
• 744[07:37:07] <rabbitear_sdf> rm -r /var/replaced-url
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• 746[07:37:16] <rockworld> so if I am in the folder html
• 747[07:37:25] <rockworld> I see all the files I want to delete and folder
• 748[07:37:36] <rabbitear_sdf> rm -r ./place is from your current dirrect
• 749[07:37:38] <rabbitear_sdf> ory
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• 751[07:38:03] <rockworld> ok now im in /var/replaced-url
• 752[07:38:13] <rockworld> I just have to write rm -r ./
• 753[07:38:14] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: / <-- ANCHOR of root file system
• 754[07:38:32] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: you dig down, you're in a different place
• 755[07:38:55] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: but . (dot) is where you are now, like /home/rockworld/
• 756[07:39:09] <rabbitear_sdf> ./ inside home rockworld because you are there
• 757[07:39:35] <rockworld> ok I will translate just to be sure I dont do a mistake :p
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• 759[07:39:41] <rabbitear_sdf> its the dot, that makes it where you are, actually its part of the file system, if you look, there is . and ..
• 760[07:39:53] <rabbitear_sdf> . <- where you are
• 761[07:40:03] <rabbitear_sdf> .. <- where you was
• 762[07:40:21] <rabbitear_sdf> <- where everything stems from
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• 764[07:40:26] <rabbitear_sdf> <- where everything stems from
• 765[07:40:27] <rockworld> alright I understand thanks that thing will help me for sure
• 766[07:40:29] <rabbitear_sdf> <- where everything stems from
• 767[07:40:35] <rabbitear_sdf> / <- where everything stems from
• 768[07:40:36] <rabbitear_sdf> lol
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• 770[07:40:46] <rabbitear_sdf> / is an irc command too
• 771[07:40:57] <rockworld> yes for irc I know :)
• 772[07:41:22] <rabbitear_sdf> anyway, you should backup, but sense you don't and are lazy
• 773[07:41:32] <rabbitear_sdf> just do it, that command will work
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• 775[07:42:12] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: its kind of funny how confidence is needed
• 776[07:42:13] <rockworld> I will translate that and put that in a note
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• 778[07:42:15] <rockworld> hehe
• 779[07:42:50] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: its true, that is why people just say, fuck it up, try to member what you were originally doing
• 780[07:43:11] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: nobody knows everything.
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• 782[07:43:31] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: maybe mess up earily is a good thing
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• 785[07:46:05] <rabbitear_sdf> rockworld: don't fear breaking, it'll come back at you
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• 791[07:49:10] <rockworld> yes I just tryed rm -r ./
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• 793[07:49:24] <rockworld> in html folder
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• 795[07:49:50] <rockworld> but it say ignored
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• 798[07:50:09] <rockworld> my deb is in french so I dont know the exact translation
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• 891[08:38:31] <snipe> yo good morning, happiness ;)
• 892[08:38:39] <debrisRat> thanks :9
• 893[08:38:41] <debrisRat> :))
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• 895[08:39:15] <debrisRat> snipe: to you :)
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• 897[08:39:49] <snipe> iim trying to play steam with SteamPlay (Proton) ! says i dont have some multi libs from the last install as far as i remeber
• 898[08:40:07] <snipe> what should i do
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• 901[08:42:05] <rant> you should probably be more specific if you want help.. I for one never used steam and never would, but I assume you are using amd64 and need some i386 libraries.. as to which ones or if you even enabled multiarch yet, I couldn't say
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• 903[08:43:41] <snipe> i ll be more specific when game finished the install ! :)
• 904[08:43:50] <snipe> or not
• 905[08:43:51] <snipe> :)
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• 911[08:45:17] <SpeedyG> then maybe somebody will help you... or not :P
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• 919[08:48:52] <snipe> :P
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• 932[08:58:00] <alkisg> Hi, is it normal for debian-buster to ...skip some keystrokes when running inside kvm? I type `dpkg-reconfigure` and I end up with `dkg-cofiure`. Or is this a gnome/wayland issue?
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• 936[09:00:06] <alkisg> Oh yeah. Trying the same in vt3 works just fine. Oh wayland/gnome, what new trouble you're getting us into again... :/
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• 938[09:01:01] <alkisg> They use *polling* for keystrokes? In 2019? I haven't seen that since 6502, 30 years ago...
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• 945[09:04:24] <rant> alkisg: did you press a key?
• 946[09:04:28] <rant> what about now?
• 947[09:04:29] <rant> yet?
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• 949[09:04:32] <rant> how about now?
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• 951[09:04:42] <alkisg> rant: exactly :D
• 952[09:05:14] <rant> this is what they created interrupts for
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• 960[09:11:52] <snipe> wtf :P
• 961[09:12:58] <alkisg> Yup, this affects only wayland sessions, both gdm and gnome-shell. It doesn't affect "gnome on x11".
• 962[09:13:24] <alkisg> Sooo... buster will default to wayland, or are my VM settings somehow wrong? (installed 6 months ago, fully updated)
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• 984[09:26:36] <snipe> how to install kernel headers at 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1
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• 986[09:26:51] <snipe> does anyone know the filename ?
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• 988[09:27:54] <snipe> wich is the version i should be aware of ? 4.9.0.9-amd64 or 4.9.168-1 ?
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• 991[09:28:34] <snipe> what is the command in other words, that matchs the uname -$ to know wich parte of uname -a that matches the kernel headers ?
• 992[09:28:45] <snipe> anyone ?=
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• 996[09:32:24] <rant> apt install linux-headers-amd64
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• 1000[09:35:30] <rant> snipe: and fwiw proper use of uname for this is uname -r
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• 1002[09:36:23] <rant> so technically aside from the better option, using the metapackage as I said already above.. you could apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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• 1004[09:36:51] <rant> the meta package is better because it will always pull in the current version to go with linux-image-amd64
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• 1007[09:38:03] <humpled> and presumably the headers package will be updated when the kernel is that way
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• 1035[09:55:25] <snipe> replaced-url
• 1036[09:55:45] <Habbie> where did your warsow binary come from?
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• 1038[09:56:14] <Habbie> ah replaced-url
• 1039[09:56:26] <snipe> YEH
• 1040[09:56:27] <snipe> :D
• 1041[09:56:44] <snipe> but libsdl2 is allready installed
• 1042[09:56:51] <snipe> for i386
• 1043[09:56:57] <snipe> i need maybe amd64 ones
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• 1045[09:57:13] <Habbie> yes
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• 1049[09:58:27] <snipe> what difference exist between apt && apt-get ?
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• 1060[10:00:45] <alkisg> snipe: apt is the new one, apt-get is the old one
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• 1062[10:03:19] <snipe> ty
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• 1068[10:06:17] <rant> there are a lot of differences between the two commands
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• 1077[10:16:05] <ayekat> I always considered apt to be a more interactive-friendly wrapper around apt-get - but I may be wrong
• 1078[10:16:30] <Habbie> that's roughly it
• 1079[10:16:33] <Habbie> except apt is unfinished
• 1080[10:16:46] <Habbie> well, specifically, it complains when you use it non-interactively
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• 1082[10:16:58] <JohnGavr> i used apt all day
• 1083[10:17:08] <ayekat> yeah, but it was never meant to be used non-interactively - that's what apt-get is for
• 1084[10:17:16] <Habbie> yes
• 1085[10:17:22] <Habbie> i just checked and the warning is not 'not YET'
• 1086[10:17:27] <Habbie> it's just "don't use apt like this"
• 1087[10:17:36] <ayekat> ah right
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• 1097[10:26:49] <uio> For the non-experienced user, is there any real difference between Debian and Devuan?
• 1098[10:26:57] <uio> \join #devuan
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• 1102[10:28:03] <jelly> uio: if there weren't any difference would the two exist?
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• 1106[10:32:32] <uio> jelly, Of course : maybe there are differences for experienced users.
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• 1112[10:39:05] <jelly> uio: afaik, devuan has like 4-5 people in the main team total. I have no idea how they deal with security issues. Debian has a separate security team.
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• 1114[10:41:45] <Habbie> 'no systemd' seems like a very real difference to me anyway
• 1115[10:42:11] <uio> jelly, Okay. I was just trying to understand the reasons for the fork, but I don't think it really changes much for the non-experienced user that I am.
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• 1117[10:42:39] <uio> Habbie, Right, but for someone like me, I don't think I would even be able to tell there was a difference by using the two distros.
• 1118[10:42:56] <Habbie> uio, service management is something most people run into within a few hours of installation
• 1119[10:42:57] <jelly> "no systemd" can't, but "no systemd as pid 1" is easily achievable within debian without resorting to forks
• 1120[10:43:18] <uio> Habbie, They might run into in, but probably would know it!
• 1121[10:43:32] <uio> Habbie, I don't really know what that means...
• 1122[10:43:48] <jelly> for me, lack of any mention of how devuan deals with security is an issue
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• 1124[10:44:38] <uio> From what I read AntiX is non systemd anyway.
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• 1128[10:45:24] <jelly> uio: how does antix manage security patches?
• 1129[10:45:58] <uio> jelly, Excellent question... I don't know.
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• 1136[10:47:21] <jelly> Habbie: as long as /usr/sbin/service command keeps working I'm okay with any pid 1 or service manager :-)
• 1137[10:47:31] <Habbie> yeah, i'm not :)
• 1138[10:47:41] <Habbie> although i agree that that is the minimum requirement
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• 1140[10:47:55] <jelly> I have OSes with upstart, systemd and sysvinit where that works
• 1141[10:48:30] <Habbie> same here
• 1142[10:48:31] <jelly> (oh and daemontools or something compatible. Because reasons.)
• 1143[10:48:39] <Habbie> within limits
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• 1191[11:26:38] <vlt> Hello. I accidentally my /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service by copying not the file itself but a symlink to it and then editing that :facepalm: What is the safest way to restore it?
• 1192[11:27:07] <Habbie> vlt, i would probably google terms like 'apt-get reinstall' or 'dpkg reinstall'
• 1193[11:27:18] <vlt> Thank you.
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• 1403[13:48:37] <forgotmynick> Hello. I get this error: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1407[13:51:06] <humpled> jessie-updates has gone
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• 1409[13:51:48] <humpled> replaced-url
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• 1421[13:57:22] <forgotmynick> thank you
• 1422[13:59:51] <humpled> confused me for a while too :þ
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• 1436[14:06:41] <fishcooker> what's eml files reader except thunderbird?
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• 1446[14:15:12] <Fox> fishcooker: kmail ? evolution ? etc.
• 1447[14:15:15] <Bunk> Hello
• 1448[14:15:53] <fishcooker> Fox command line version?
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• 1451[14:16:01] <Fox> fishcooker: just discovered mpack if you want cli tool
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• 1453[14:16:42] <Bunk> I want to install debian on a computer, which at the moment, is home to ubuntu 64 bit. What image do i need. I don't want a full version, so that i can install on my own and learn the system
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• 1460[14:20:11] <Bunk> amd64 ?
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• 1467[14:24:47] <humpled> look for the net-install, select expert install, do your own partitioning and deselect all tasks
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• 1476[14:32:40] <Bunk> humpled: you mean, when picking net install, ubuntu on the old hdd gets replaced ?
• 1477[14:33:26] <jelly> Bunk: all the images allow to either nuke any existing OS or leave it there (provided there's unpartitioned, free space to put debian on)
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• 1479[14:34:18] <Bunk> OK, would the amd64 650 MB image do then ?
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• 1481[14:37:33] <jelly> that sounds like not netinst but some larger cd image.
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• 1483[14:37:38] <jelly> but it's okay as well.
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• 1490[14:41:21] <Bunk> jelly: and the netinstall can be entered from within the old os ?
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• 1503[14:45:54] <humpled> i believe you have to reboot to install debian
• 1504[14:46:09] <humpled> unless you're using some kind of virtual machine manager
• 1505[14:46:34] <humpled> the 650MB is the xfce desktop edition
• 1506[14:47:02] <SerajewelKS> Bunk: it's unlikely that you'll be able to install from the old OS unless you are not installing to the same partition
• 1507[14:47:12] <jelly> Bunk: no. debian-installer needs to be booted.
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• 1509[14:47:34] <SerajewelKS> if you want to install to a different partition without rebooting then you have to do it manually AIUI (using debootstrap etc)
• 1510[14:47:45] <SerajewelKS> and this is not recommended unless you know what you're doing
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• 1513[14:49:13] <jelly> !install guide
• 1514[14:49:13] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at replaced-url
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• 1526[14:51:44] <Bunk> I want to mak a new partition. 18 GB for the system, 3 swap and the rest home
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• 1530[14:52:43] <Bunk> Ah, OK, then the net install is just a starter and the installations process pulls from the internet. Got it
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• 1538[14:56:53] <w1d3m0d3> hey, for some reason when I run `journalctl --user -u <whatever>` I get no logs even though there are supposed to be some, is debian's logging configuration different and doesn't log user services?
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• 1570[15:09:33] <Rob_Jones> E: Package 'apt-utils' has no installation candidate
• 1571[15:09:36] <Rob_Jones> is it weird to see this
• 1572[15:10:33] <dvs> O_O
• 1573[15:10:54] <themill> !bat
• 1574[15:10:54] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1587[15:15:37] <jelly> ,v ansible
• 1588[15:15:38] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; sid: 2.7.8+dfsg-1
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• 1591[15:17:12] <Bunk> OK
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• 1593[15:17:27] <Bunk> thanks for the support. Going to work now. Check back later
• 1594[15:17:33] <Bunk> o/
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• 1596[15:17:44] <dvs> !next
• 1597[15:17:44] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1599[15:18:30] <Rob_Jones> you asked for the output but keep in mind its in docker
• 1600[15:18:38] <Rob_Jones> should i give the docker output?
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• 1670[15:55:50] <darxmurf> hmm, how can I replace a patern in vim from cursor position to end of line ?
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• 1672[15:56:16] <greycat> all the vim stuff I know operates on whole lines, not segments... you might have to ask #vim
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• 1675[15:57:00] <darxmurf> I'll do that in visual mode :-)
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• 1682[16:03:08] <ConnectingMedia> Hello! I have a question about installing additional packages/software in the Debian installer system, so I can 1) flash the BIOS and 2) use `beep` to indicate the installation being finished
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• 1684[16:03:42] <ConnectingMedia> Now I already know how preseeding works and managed to make a customized ISO that uses that preseeding script
• 1685[16:04:12] <ConnectingMedia> It also runs a postinstall script (with `d-i preseed/late_command`)
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• 1687[16:04:48] <ConnectingMedia> The only thing I'm missing is how to use additional software that's not present in the default installer system
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• 1694[16:06:12] <ConnectingMedia> I'm also open to alternatives. And as mentioned before my goals are to flash the BIOS (to fix a security vulnerability on the boards I'm using and to change the BIOS settings) and to let me know that the installation is finished.
• 1695[16:06:40] <ConnectingMedia> (I would use the `flashrom`and `beep` command in the live system respectively)
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• 1697[16:06:50] <petn-randall> ConnectingMedia: I don't think you can update the BIOS via the installer. That usually depends on the specifics of the board.
• 1698[16:07:11] <petn-randall> ConnectingMedia: Do you know if flashrom works for your particular hardware?
• 1699[16:07:48] <ConnectingMedia> I tried installing the respective packages through preseeding and running the commands with `in-target`. But it seems that hardware access through `in-target` doesn't work (properly) as I couldn't get it to work
• 1700[16:08:02] <ConnectingMedia> petn-randall, yes it works
• 1701[16:08:16] <ConnectingMedia> In the live system I can read and write the BIOS as I please
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• 1706[16:10:14] <petn-randall> ConnectingMedia: Why not do it after installation?
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• 1708[16:10:44] <ConnectingMedia> I'd like the installation to be as hands off as possible, petn-randall
• 1709[16:11:08] <ConnectingMedia> It's going to be an installer for a SBC board
• 1710[16:11:18] <ConnectingMedia> And I'll be installing lots of boards
• 1711[16:11:30] <petn-randall> ConnectingMedia: So what errors do you get when running flashrom via the custom installer?
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• 1713[16:11:38] <ConnectingMedia> And the second reason is that the boot order is weird and it prefers the USB drive
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• 1715[16:12:18] <w1d3m0d3> how does debian work for sysd user units and logging
• 1716[16:12:31] <ConnectingMedia> I don't have logs handy
• 1717[16:12:53] <petn-randall> w1d3m0d3: What do you mean with sysd?
• 1718[16:13:12] <ConnectingMedia> Thogh give me 20 minutes to get a new image and let a new installation finish where I try to use flashrom
• 1719[16:13:37] <w1d3m0d3> systemd, specifically I have some units in ~/.config/systemd/user but they seem to not be logging anything petn-randall
• 1720[16:13:56] <w1d3m0d3> and yes they are started and yes they do produce output in standard output
• 1721[16:14:30] <petn-randall> w1d3m0d3: what does `systemctl status <unit>` give you as output? → replaced-url
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• 1725[16:16:31] <w1d3m0d3> on other distributions (Fedora comes to mind) it logs it just fine with the same unit; replaced-url
• 1726[16:16:39] <w1d3m0d3> again it's a user unit and not a system one
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• 1734[16:19:17] <petn-randall> w1d3m0d3: I haven't used user units on Debian, so I can't really say where it's expected to go.
• 1735[16:19:42] <w1d3m0d3> well I'd expect it to go to journalctl --user like on other distributions (again Fedora comes to mind) but that does not happen
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• 1739[16:20:35] <w1d3m0d3> debian doesn't use journald?
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• 1742[16:22:26] <greycat> if you mean systemd-journald, it's running on my system
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• 1744[16:22:58] <w1d3m0d3> yes but I think it just forwards to rsyslog and I think that could be what's preventing user units logging
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• 1746[16:24:33] <de-facto> hmm debian stretch on shuttle dx30 installs just fine but gnome freezes after some time...
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• 1748[16:24:48] <greycat> I don't pretend to know much about this stuff, but one thing I do know is Debian does not create a /var/log/journal/ directory by default, so systemd-journald uses only volatile logging unless you mkdir.
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• 1750[16:26:41] <ConnectingMedia> petn-randall: Started the freshly built installer
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• 1752[16:26:58] <ConnectingMedia> Will let you know once it's finished and I have the logs
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• 1755[16:27:15] <Rob_Jones> Hi I am getting this error when installing a php extension
• 1756[16:27:16] <Rob_Jones> configure: error: Could not find net-snmp-config binary. Please check your net-snmp installation.
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• 1758[16:27:59] <Rob_Jones> im running this though
• 1759[16:28:00] <Rob_Jones> RUN apt-get -y --no-install-recommends install snmpd
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• 1761[16:28:12] <greycat> ,file bin/net-snmp-config
• 1762[16:28:17] <judd> Search for bin/net-snmp-config in stretch/amd64: libsnmp-dev: usr/bin/net-snmp-config
• 1763[16:28:25] <Rob_Jones> what about jessie?
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• 1765[16:28:42] <greycat> ,v libsnmp-dev
• 1766[16:28:43] <judd> Package: libsnmp-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 5.7.2.1+dfsg-1+deb8u1+b1; jessie-security: 5.7.2.1+dfsg-1+deb8u2; stretch: 5.7.3+dfsg-1.7+deb9u1; stretch-security: 5.7.3+dfsg-1.7+deb9u1; buster: 5.7.3+dfsg-5; sid: 5.7.3+dfsg-5
• 1767[16:28:48] <jelly> Rob_Jones: which php extension?
• 1768[16:28:51] <greycat> jessie appears to have that package, so you could TRY IT
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• 1770[16:29:20] <jelly> Rob_Jones: why are you using --no-install-recommends?
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• 1772[16:29:55] <w1d3m0d3> I think I'll just do something with StandardOutput=, perhaps pipe it to a file
• 1773[16:30:09] * jelly bets it's php-snmp which is packaged already
• 1774[16:30:23] <Rob_Jones> it is php-snmp
• 1775[16:30:31] <Rob_Jones> does that come with 5.6.36-fpm
• 1776[16:30:46] <jelly> ,v php-snmp
• 1777[16:30:47] <judd> Package: php-snmp on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
• 1778[16:30:54] <jelly> huh, not in jessie
• 1779[16:31:12] <Rob_Jones> i did emit php -m
• 1780[16:31:22] <Rob_Jones> and remove any extensions that appeared in the list already
• 1781[16:31:25] <jelly> ,v php5-snmp
• 1782[16:31:26] <judd> Package: php5-snmp on amd64 -- jessie: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.40+dfsg-0+deb8u2
• 1783[16:31:31] <jelly> Rob_Jones: install that ^
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• 1785[16:31:54] <Rob_Jones> jelly im running this with docker
• 1786[16:31:55] <Rob_Jones> RUN docker-php-ext-install gd exif pdo_mysql intl mcrypt snmp sockets xmlrpc xsl zip
• 1787[16:31:59] <jelly> Rob_Jones: and patch up your php, apparently it's up to 5.6.40
• 1788[16:32:26] <Rob_Jones> hmm thats odd let me check php -v
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• 1791[16:33:16] <jelly> Rob_Jones: it's much easier to install stuff from packages when packages exist.
• 1792[16:33:28] <Rob_Jones> its definitely running 5.6.35
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• 1795[16:33:54] <jelly> Rob_Jones: your installation may be unpatched.
• 1796[16:34:03] <Rob_Jones> what do you mean by unpatched?
• 1797[16:34:11] <greycat> you are missing all the security updates
• 1798[16:34:28] <jelly> Rob_Jones: I mean you are missing security patches for php (and possibly other stuff)
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• 1800[16:34:52] <Rob_Jones> Im doing this
• 1801[16:34:52] <jelly> Rob_Jones: what's the version of php5-fpm package?
• 1802[16:34:53] <Rob_Jones> replaced-url
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• 1805[16:35:04] <Rob_Jones> 5.6.35-fpm
• 1806[16:35:15] <Rob_Jones> here let me give you the whole docker file
• 1807[16:35:32] <Rob_Jones> replaced-url
• 1808[16:35:38] <jelly> Rob_Jones: that's either not the whole version number, or you're not using a package that comes from debian
• 1809[16:35:56] <Rob_Jones> ive posted the dockerfile in jelly
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• 1811[16:36:02] <jelly> I have no idea about docker, sorry
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• 1813[16:36:35] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 1814[16:36:35] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
• 1815[16:36:49] <jelly> Rob_Jones: your sources.list seem to be rather incorrect tho.
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• 1817[16:37:43] <jelly> main jessie repo is _not_ on archive.d.o yet, pick a normal mirror instead
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• 1819[16:38:19] <jelly> and patch your system.
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• 1821[16:39:12] <de-facto> trying to get my sources.list correct, whats wrong here? replaced-url
• 1822[16:39:57] <jelly> Rob_Jones: alternatively, if you need exactly 5.6.35 for some reason, then pick a snaphost of jessie repos that has that, from snapshot.debian.org
• 1823[16:40:09] <ConnectingMedia> de-facto: the '${DEB_RELEASE}' part
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• 1825[16:40:34] <jelly> Rob_Jones: keeping in mind you will be running known security buggy software, but perhaps it's for internal use only and not a problem there
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• 1827[16:40:42] <ConnectingMedia> That's where the release name should go. Like stretch
• 1828[16:40:45] <de-facto> oh yes the quotes...
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• 1830[16:41:21] <jelly> de-facto: which debian release are you using?
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• 1832[16:41:55] <Rob_Jones> bacl
• 1833[16:41:59] <Rob_Jones> back*
• 1834[16:42:14] <Rob_Jones> jessie has been moved off mirror
• 1835[16:42:30] <Rob_Jones> using mirror results in 404
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• 1837[16:42:45] <Rob_Jones> debian 8
• 1838[16:42:54] <petn-randall> !jessie
• 1839[16:42:55] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
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• 1842[16:43:05] <jelly> Rob_Jones: that's just jessie-backports, which are on archive.debian.org, and jessie-updates which do not exist any more
• 1843[16:43:14] <Rob_Jones> its internal
• 1844[16:43:25] <greycat> ...
• 1845[16:43:34] <Rob_Jones> sorry i mean't its for internal use
• 1846[16:43:49] <de-facto> jelly, stretch
• 1847[16:43:53] <jelly> did you read what the bot said about jessie sources.list, Rob_Jones?
• 1848[16:44:01] <de-facto> i replaced it with stretch seems to work
• 1849[16:44:13] <ConnectingMedia> Awesome
• 1850[16:44:18] <ConnectingMedia> And I derped.
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• 1852[16:44:30] <ConnectingMedia> Flashed the wrong ISO...
• 1853[16:44:34] <Rob_Jones> i was replying to this comment jelly
• 1854[16:44:35] <Rob_Jones> 15:40 jelly: Rob_Jones: keeping in mind you will be running known security buggy software, but perhaps it's for internal use only and not a problem there
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• 1856[16:44:45] <de-facto> now it complains about the keyring not readable by apt hmm
• 1857[16:44:45] <ConnectingMedia> And here we go again
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• 1861[16:45:40] <jelly> Rob_Jones: ok, so you then have the option to pick an old snapshot of jessie repos instead. Your random docker file should have done that for you, (like grml.org images do!) but that's life
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• 1863[16:45:44] <ConnectingMedia> That should be googlable, de-facto
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• 1869[16:46:58] <Rob_Jones> hmm got to work how to do that now
• 1870[16:47:10] <Rob_Jones> as far as specs go i can use any snapshot of debian8
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• 1872[16:48:22] <jhutchins_wk> We are seeing multiple instances every day of people who are struggling with the heavy handed expiration policies of the maintainers.
• 1873[16:48:51] <jelly> !expire jhutchins_wk
• 1874[16:49:05] <Rob_Jones> so jelly it has to be an older snapshot of jessie?
• 1875[16:49:14] <ConnectingMedia> What's your guy's stance on posting issues/questions posted on SE? I have another problem there that I've explained in detail and can't figure it out on my own. It's also about preseeding. If it's ok to link it here, I'll do so
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• 1878[16:50:13] <Habbie> ConnectingMedia, i cannot speak for this channel, but in many other channels it has made me very happy that somebody took the time to clearly show their problem - whether that's on pastebin or SE
• 1879[16:50:24] <jelly> Rob_Jones: to avoid upgrading everything inside the container, you have to pick a snapshot date with the _exact_ same versions of php packages matching what's in the docket image you picked
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• 1882[16:50:56] <ConnectingMedia> Ok. I see it the same way, Habbie. Though I've seen places that dislike the practice
• 1883[16:51:07] <jelly> Rob_Jones: so, find out what's the exact version of installed php5-fpm. Then find a jessie snapshot that has _that_. Then use that snapshot in sources.list.
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• 1886[16:51:16] <greycat> I swear to dog I will never understand this Docker bullshit. Why can't people just UPDATE the god damned image that they apparently clone umpteen dozen trillion instances of.
• 1887[16:51:20] <Rob_Jones> 5.6.35
• 1888[16:51:26] <Rob_Jones> looking for snapshot now
• 1889[16:51:39] <jelly> Rob_Jones: that's not complete a debian package version.
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• 1891[16:51:49] * jelly sydlexic
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• 1893[16:52:12] <jelly> Rob_Jones: just run "dpkg -l php5-fpm"
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• 1895[16:52:24] <jelly> or dpkg -s php5-fpm
• 1896[16:52:30] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, the whole point of containers is that they're disposable, there isn't supposed to be any question of long-term maintenance.
• 1897[16:52:45] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: and you're not supposed to install additional crap inside
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• 1899[16:52:56] <ConnectingMedia> Well, alright. If someone knows how to help with this problem, it would be much apprechiated: replaced-url
• 1900[16:53:12] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: if you need additional crap, make a new image?
• 1901[16:53:39] <jelly> but hey, people use tools in ways their authors have not imagined or designed
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• 1905[16:54:39] <jelly> I have half a mind to answer any further outdated-docker-image issue with "make an updated jessie/stretch/w/e image"
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• 1908[16:55:10] <greycat> jelly: that's the part I don't get. Why isn't that the FIRST thing people do?
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• 1911[16:55:17] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Yeah, the concept of logevity is not supposed to apply.
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• 1915[16:55:42] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: I'm not a docker user, clearly, but your statement does not match everything I understand from the docker users who show up on IRC.
• 1916[16:55:54] <jelly> greycat: because then they have to learn how "make a new image" works in the first place instead of using existing stuff
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• 1921[16:56:41] <jelly> and people try to use tools to make more done with less work, not more work :-)
• 1922[16:56:55] <greycat> Not from what I've seen.
• 1923[16:57:04] <jelly> still. "ur doin it WRONG" is not a useful answer
• 1924[16:57:06] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I think we tend to see people who are on the verge of realsing that docker is not the tool they're looking for.
• 1925[16:57:35] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: it might be, but they're holding it the WRONG way
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• 1928[16:57:51] <Rob_Jones> Jelly: ran that command and returned this
• 1929[16:57:52] <Rob_Jones> replaced-url
• 1930[16:58:14] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah. 50% more work than using the right tool that already does what they want.
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• 1932[16:58:30] <jelly> Rob_Jones: ouch, so it's not coming from the debian package at all?
• 1933[16:58:45] <de-facto> should i delete /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ?
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• 1938[16:59:40] <Rob_Jones> i don't know, don't know what its stating
• 1939[17:00:16] <jelly> Rob_Jones: it's saying "there is no installed package with that name"
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• 1941[17:00:56] <jelly> (dpkg -l is a command you learn among the first ones when using debian)
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• 1943[17:01:46] <de-facto> what is /etc/apt/trusted.gpg used for? it only produces warnings, deleting it solves the warnings from apt
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• 1945[17:02:24] <jelly> de-facto: it's backward compatibility on stretch, but before that it was the place where all the apt keys went to
• 1946[17:02:38] <ConnectingMedia> petn-randall: Hm. Seems to work. I must've done something else wrong then
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• 1948[17:02:55] <de-facto> jelly, so just deleting it is fine then?
• 1949[17:02:59] <ConnectingMedia> Though using beep in the target system doesn't work
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• 1951[17:03:06] <de-facto> its 32 bytes...
• 1952[17:03:10] <ConnectingMedia> It claims to beep, but just doesn't
• 1953[17:03:15] <ConnectingMedia> Any idea about that?
• 1954[17:03:24] <jelly> de-facto: that sounds like an already empty keyring.
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• 1957[17:04:24] <jelly> de-facto: if you or a tool did not add any keys to it, it might be safe to delete.
• 1958[17:04:28] <de-facto> yeah there is some garbage in there from installer? it caused warnings from apt, so i renamed it and apt update is clean now
• 1959[17:04:45] <jelly> de-facto: from debian-installer? Unlikely.
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• 1961[17:05:35] <de-facto> its a fresh install, i just edited sources.list for enabling all the debian repos
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• 1963[17:05:44] <de-facto> never touched trusted.gpg
• 1964[17:06:13] <jelly> you do not touch it directly, apt-key command is the right api
• 1965[17:06:47] <jelly> also, some third party packages mess with it during installation
• 1966[17:06:55] <humpled> haven't heard beep work for a while
• 1967[17:07:02] <de-facto> i just installed debian with gnome desktop
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• 1969[17:07:08] <jelly> de-facto: if you only use debian.org repos, it's weird there would be warnings.
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• 1971[17:07:25] <ConnectingMedia> humpled: Funny thing is it works fine on the live system
• 1972[17:07:26] <de-facto> exactly but it is the case
• 1973[17:07:29] <jelly> perhaps it's a regression in 9.9 netinst iso
• 1974[17:07:34] <ConnectingMedia> Just not in the install system
• 1975[17:07:40] <de-facto> i just delete the garbage then
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• 1978[17:07:50] <jelly> de-facto: assuming you used the latest iso to install!
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• 1980[17:08:56] <de-facto> jelly, i used netinstall 9.9 choose german mirror, then on first boot enabled all in synaptic and choose main mirror, then finally edited manually all to deb.debian.org
• 1981[17:09:10] <de-facto> no third party but stretch-backports
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• 1983[17:09:58] <jelly> could be a bug or something!
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• 1987[17:10:38] <annadane> is there, um, a way to find out what Recommended packages apt wanted to install but wasn't able to, during the 9.9 upgrade? something to do with nvidia
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• 1989[17:10:49] <annadane> i sort of closed the terminal without addressing the message
• 1990[17:10:51] <de-facto> yeah probably, i just deleted it now, apt update/upgrade logs are clean for now...
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• 1992[17:11:17] <jelly> annadane: maybe /var/log/apt/term*log ?
• 1993[17:11:18] <Rob_Jones> Jelly: going back to my deb command
• 1994[17:11:28] <Rob_Jones> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 1995[17:11:28] <Rob_Jones> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
• 1996[17:11:42] <w1d3m0d3> what package group does debian install when someone selects plasma in the installer?
• 1997[17:11:46] <greycat> jessie-updates does not exist. delete that.
• 1998[17:11:52] <jelly> Rob_Jones: just remove the jessie-updates deb list, that does not exist any more
• 1999[17:12:42] <jelly> it would be kind of nice if LTS team did their own point updates and iso images to minimize deltas for people that have to install oldstable
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• 2009[17:18:28] <annadane> okay well grepping for nvidia doesn't return any errors so i'm going to ignore all this and assume all is fine
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• 2034[17:25:48] <w1d3m0d3> also: debian-testing seems to have a problem where it would randomly freeze somewhere (SysRq not working either), I assume it's due to nvidia's proprietary drivers because I can't think of anythig else realyl
• 2035[17:26:47] <annadane> w1d3m0d3, task-kde-desktop
• 2036[17:27:08] <w1d3m0d3> so removing it should remove the default KDE stuff right?
• 2037[17:27:14] <w1d3m0d3> or well, orphan them annadane
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• 2039[17:27:34] <annadane> not certain
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• 2044[17:29:18] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: The debian nvidia packages are basically just a repackaging of the direct nvidia code available from their site. The integration with debian is fairly minimal.
• 2045[17:29:31] <w1d3m0d3> jhutchins_wk: that was for me I assume?
• 2046[17:29:48] <w1d3m0d3> annadane: it depends on kde-standard so I think removing that should do it
• 2047[17:30:10] <w1d3m0d3> I'd probably want to keep task-desktop too
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• 2054[17:36:21] <jhutchins_wk> I suppose the way to address installing 'recommends' after a package is already installed is just to re-install the package.
• 2055[17:36:32] <w1d3m0d3> oh wait kde-standard is not installed
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• 2060[17:37:36] <w1d3m0d3> plasma-desktop seems to pull everything in tho
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• 2082[17:48:49] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 2085[17:51:31] <annadane> the thing that's surprising isn't even the message itself, it's the fact that it's new
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• 2096[18:00:19] <jelly> annadane: that's normal when you have fuse-based filesystems mounted by normal user
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• 2098[18:00:30] <jelly> root can't access them by default
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• 2101[18:00:42] <jelly> so lsof complains.
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• 2103[18:01:35] <jelly> needrestart runs lsof and some other stuff trying to figure out if there are processes still using old files.
• 2104[18:02:09] <annadane> should i find a way of fixing this or just ignore the noise?
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• 2107[18:02:36] <annadane> ie does it affect checkrestart's ability to do its job
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• 2109[18:02:58] <jelly> there's nothing to fix, it's just noise
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• 2111[18:03:18] <jelly> also, needrestart may be a bit smarter than checkrestart.
• 2112[18:03:38] <jelly> I did not even notice you ran the old one
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• 2114[18:04:05] <jelly> ,v needrestart
• 2115[18:04:06] <judd> Package: needrestart on amd64 -- jessie: 1.2-8+deb8u1; stretch: 2.11-3+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3.4-3~bpo9+1; buster: 3.4-3; sid: 3.4-3
• 2116[18:04:21] <jelly> the one in backports is probably the best option
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• 2153[18:23:17] <jelly> !qotd0
• 2154[18:23:17] <dpkg> <niru> how can I get a feature similar to windows vista in debian <JasonS> niru: the blue screns?
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• 2159[18:24:08] <teclo-> Excellent :d
• 2160[18:24:11] <shtrb> lol
• 2161[18:24:15] <teclo-> !qotd0
• 2162[18:24:15] <dpkg> <Sarvok> So i've just typed "dpkg-reconfigure kevix's" and it's the same thing : the bash have a line started with ">" and that all !
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• 2168[18:25:00] <shtrb> What will be the replacment for xsane in debian buster ?
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• 2170[18:25:19] <shtrb> RIP xsane
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• 2172[18:27:06] <n4dir> for quite some packages "apt-cache search <obsolete package>" you will get the info for the replacement
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• 2176[18:30:02] <shtrb> n4dir, apt-cache search verb just search for something that is related (have similar name or config )
• 2177[18:30:05] <shtrb> ,v xsane
• 2178[18:30:06] <judd> Package: xsane on amd64 -- jessie: 0.998-6+b1; stretch: 0.999-5; buster: 0.999-6+b1; sid: 0.999-6+b1
• 2179[18:30:41] <shtrb> it was not removed ?
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• 2181[18:31:02] <n4dir> why did you ask then?
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• 2183[18:33:26] <shtrb> Because on an upgrade on arm I was warned it will be removed
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• 2187[18:35:31] <jelly> funny how the version number for jessie > stretch
• 2188[18:36:04] <jelly> oh it's not.
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• 2193[18:42:05] <karlpinc> shtrb: packages.debian.org might be of help. I forget what it has to do with architectures.
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• 2196[18:42:32] <ruebsd> hi :)
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• 2219[19:00:29] <karlpinc> I've not used the vacation program in ages. Probably decades. Is it clever enough to know about the the "new" X-List* headers and not respond to mailing list posts?
• 2220[19:01:05] <jelly> karlpinc: I think you mean List-* without X-
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• 2222[19:01:14] <karlpinc> Yeah.
• 2223[19:01:28] <shtrb> karlpinc, vacation program ? like mutt
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• 2225[19:01:34] <jelly> knowing about Precedence: bulk should probably be enough
• 2226[19:01:41] <karlpinc> I don't want to "try it out" and find I've annoyed a whole lot of people.
• 2227[19:01:44] <karlpinc> jelly: Ah, right.
• 2228[19:02:08] <jelly> shtrb: it's a very old school autoresponder thingy
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• 2231[19:02:32] <jelly> back when each mail user had their own unix account
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• 2233[19:02:39] <shtrb> I know about the vacation setting (out of office) and calendar blocker but not a specific program that does it
• 2234[19:02:42] <karlpinc> I could use something newer, if there's a reason.
• 2235[19:03:08] <jelly> karlpinc: find a tool that works with(in) your imap server.
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• 2237[19:03:41] <shtrb> I use it a lot (exchange) and it will auto replay only if are in TO or in CC (but not a list you are in).
• 2238[19:03:42] <jelly> autoresponders and filtering belong on the server side of things
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• 2240[19:04:12] <karlpinc> jelly: I'm using dovecot. But that might require I learn something new. :) My thought was to put it in my .procmailrc file, which is on the server side.
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• 2242[19:04:23] <jelly> shtrb: but Exchange isn't packaged for Debian!
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• 2246[19:04:55] <jelly> karlpinc: you probably ought to replace procmail with dovecot-sieve, yes
• 2247[19:04:56] <karlpinc> jelly: Got any recommendations for replacing procmail? I just ssh to the email server and fuss with it there.
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• 2249[19:05:12] <karlpinc> jelly: Thanks.
• 2250[19:05:39] * jelly ought to do what he preaches
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• 2252[19:06:16] <karlpinc> Yeah.
• 2253[19:06:22] <w1d3m0d3> can I set x-terminal-emulator to /usr/local/bin/st? I'd like to use my build of st
• 2254[19:06:50] <jelly> w1d3m0d3: become friends with the update-alternatives command.
• 2255[19:06:56] <greycat> you can change the target of /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator by hand, yes
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• 2258[19:07:26] <greycat> getting update-alternatives to know about it is a lot harder and probably not worth the effort if it's just for you on one system
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• 2261[19:08:04] <w1d3m0d3> can I register it w/o setting a package? If not I'll just override the symlink
• 2262[19:08:13] <w1d3m0d3> w/o making a package*
• 2263[19:08:16] <jelly> yes you can!
• 2264[19:08:34] <w1d3m0d3> wait I just saw --force
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• 2266[19:08:46] <w1d3m0d3> ah didn't do it, back to that idea
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• 2268[19:08:51] <jelly> don't ask me how, I always relearn it / copy from a postinst script, like /var/lib/dpkg/info/xterm.postinst
• 2269[19:09:45] <w1d3m0d3> oh okay, I thought --install makes a whole new group
• 2270[19:10:01] <ayekat> if it's just for your user, I'd just drop an override symlink in ~/.local/bin or some other user-PATH
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• 2272[19:10:36] <greycat> that's also a valid option, but personally I'd go with the manual /etc/alternatives/* symlink override. less confusion that way.
• 2273[19:11:08] <jelly> ayekat: that does not fix .desktop thingies in a DE
• 2274[19:11:20] <ayekat> ah yes
• 2275[19:11:20] <karlpinc> jelly: Are you ever in #dovecot? I'm unhappy with dovecot's spam hooks. Last I looked there was a positive feedback loop if you're using baysian filtering. Or that's what I recall. Someday I might do something about it.
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• 2277[19:11:46] <jelly> karlpinc: I am always in there but my setups are weird.
• 2278[19:12:04] <w1d3m0d3> aye, I did it!
• 2279[19:12:08] <karlpinc> jelly: Someday then, you may hear more.
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• 2389[20:07:11] <aliasd> Hi, I am trying to work out which package contains the "Teen" font. Google serches so far are producing unhelpful results.
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• 2457[20:35:36] <aliasd> EdePopede, I know I should have been superhacker and done that on the console maybe, but wow this worked thanks! replaced-url
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• 2462[20:36:20] <EdePopede> heh, i've always been better with ideas than actual solutions :D
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• 2468[20:37:27] <aliasd> knowing what is possible is way more fundamental than knowing how to do it
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• 2473[20:38:40] <EdePopede> well you still need someone to hand you the tool you need ;)
• 2474[20:38:51] <phazon> aliasd: apt-file search teen
• 2475[20:39:08] <EdePopede> someone like phazon :)
• 2476[20:39:17] <aliasd> hehe
• 2477[20:39:23] <aliasd> | grep ttf
• 2478[20:39:34] <aliasd> oh
• 2479[20:39:35] <phogg> aliasd: aptitude search '?section(fonts)' # but it's not as useful as you may think
• 2480[20:40:03] <aliasd> sudo apt-get install apt-file && apt-file search teen | grep ttf
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• 2484[20:41:22] <aliasd> thanks heaps phogg, EdePopede
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• 2486[20:43:04] <aliasd> haha i just learned about 'apt-file update'
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• 2494[20:44:59] <aliasd> this is really cool though for all the times I googled a filename to find out which package it is from
• 2495[20:45:18] <greycat> there's also /msg judd (here), and packages.debian.org
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• 2497[20:45:43] <phogg> aliasd: if it's a file you know is installed you can use dpkg -S /path/to/file (or dlocate)
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• 2499[20:45:55] <phogg> apt-file would be for files in packages not installed
• 2500[20:45:57] <greycat> also apparently there are at least half a crapload of files with words like "fifteen" and "seventeen" and so on in their names
• 2501[20:47:09] <phogg> Too bad the names of all the fonts in font packages aren't included in the package descriptions. That would make finding things easier.
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• 2503[20:47:29] <phogg> something like what is done for firmware packages would be nice
• 2504[20:48:17] <EdePopede> piping it to grep helps get rid of a lot of noise. gave me exactly 0 hits.
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• 2507[20:48:57] <EdePopede> btw: grep<TAB><TAB>. was a big surprise.
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• 2509[20:49:14] <phogg> EdePopede: what does it show that's surprising?
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• 2515[20:50:39] <EdePopede> they exist, phogg. was collection command names around package management and usually they start with dkpg or apt. didn't expect to have something like grep-aptavail.
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• 2517[20:50:54] <phogg> ah, I see
• 2518[20:51:10] <greycat> apparently I don't have any of those installed
• 2519[20:51:17] <aliasd> greycat, the bots here are amazing and I should learn how to talk to them
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• 2523[20:51:48] <greycat> judd, file bin/zipnote
• 2524[20:51:52] <judd> Search for bin/zipnote in stretch/amd64: zip: usr/bin/zipnote
• 2525[20:51:54] <phogg> greycat: you would need dctrl-tools:
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• 2528[20:53:06] <EdePopede> and there's still the See Also in manpages. just brought up ara and dpkg-awk.
• 2529[20:53:10] <phogg> I think I got mine installed because dlocate depends on it
• 2530[20:53:38] <alla> replaced-url
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• 2537[20:57:30] <aliasd> i said the t word too much and the spambots came
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• 2685[22:34:03] <Exagone313> Hi, what iso can I use to install Debian from a shell? I see that netinst got debootstrap in it but it doesn't have dpkg so I have to make an install in a tmpfs I guess. Is there a better way? Thanks for your help.
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• 2688[22:34:34] <greycat> !debootstrap
• 2689[22:34:35] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 2691[22:34:42] <Exagone313> (it doesn't have gdisk for example, and I may need otehr styff)
• 2692[22:34:47] <Exagone313> other stuff*
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• 2696[22:35:40] <Exagone313> greycat: I know what debootstrap is, but I usually use an existing Linux install with it
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• 2700[22:36:24] <somiaj> Exagone313: depends a lot on your use case, but the debian installer contains a very limited shell, and you should just use the installer tools if using that.
• 2701[22:36:28] <greycat> I was triggering the bot so it would show you the documentation for it, so you could read it.
• 2702[22:36:37] <somiaj> Exagone313: If you want to do everything manually from a shell, grab a live system.
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• 2706[22:37:08] <jmcnaught> there's also a chapter of the installation manual about installing with deboostrap
• 2707[22:37:11] <Exagone313> somiaj: but live isos are intended for graphical uses
• 2708[22:37:55] <humpled> is this a job for grml?
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• 2710[22:38:38] <mihi> yeah, I would have suggested grml too. It even has a wrapper around debootstrap called replaced-url
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• 2712[22:39:35] <somiaj> Exagone313: depends on the live iso. Debian use to create an iso which was common shell tools (no gui)
• 2713[22:39:54] <somiaj> Exagone313: though I guess since debian doens't create that any more, you may need to go find a place that does, I think grmel or something like that makes a good shell resuce iso
• 2714[22:40:11] <somiaj> on grml, which was already mentioned.
• 2715[22:40:58] <Exagone313> I think I'll take an arch iso and install debootstrap on the ramfs, seems easier :/
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• 2717[22:41:47] <somiaj> yea, if using a shell, take one you like the best
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• 2739[22:50:34] <rindolf> hi all! where is the git repo of the replaced-url
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• 2742[22:51:26] <greycat> you mean, upstream? wherever the copyright file says it is.
• 2743[22:51:37] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2747[22:52:37] <anon> ji
• 2748[22:52:41] <anon> holla
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• 2751[22:53:03] <greycat> upstream, as pointed to in that copyright file, appears to use fossil, not git
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• 2756[22:54:21] <Guest31681> hhhhhh si
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• 2766[23:02:39] <rindolf> greycat: i was talking about something like replaced-url
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• 2774[23:07:32] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2778[23:11:53] <rindolf> greycat: ah, i see
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• 2782[23:12:31] <fishcooker> just need to cli for reading the email file only... afaik munpack but it creates a new file, fox
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• 2791[23:24:10] <qwebirc95665> hi, i try connect to an remote server via thightvnc, but dont get it to work, is this the right place to ask?
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• 2802[23:31:30] <xtort-> qwebirc95665, no
• 2803[23:31:43] <xtort-> do you have access to the server's logs?
• 2804[23:32:01] <qwebirc95665> i installed on my server thightvncserver, tried sudo DISPLAY=:1 gnome-session, export DISPLAY=:1, sudo startx, gnome-session, etc. I am able to open apps like gnome-terminal, but not a fully gnome-session
• 2805[23:32:06] <qwebirc95665> yes
• 2806[23:32:19] <qwebirc95665> oh where is the right place?
• 2807[23:33:36] <xtort-> ehh, that's pretty specific, i don't know where to ask, let me think a min
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• 2809[23:35:18] <xtort-> can you pastebin your tightvncserver.conf ?
• 2810[23:35:46] <xtort-> you probably need to specify a window manager for :1
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• 2812[23:36:39] <xyxxy> how long are logs kept in linux?
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• 2814[23:37:14] <xyxxy> specifically system logs.
• 2815[23:37:20] <xtort-> xyxxy, as long as /etc/logrotate.d files specify
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• 2818[23:38:03] <xtort-> and logrotate.conf
• 2819[23:38:50] <xyxxy> xtort- i'm in the /etc/logrotate.d directory
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• 2855[23:39:12] <xtort-> might also find your information in /etc/logrotate.conf
• 2856[23:39:42] <tds> on a box using systemd you may need to consider the journald config as well
• 2857[23:41:02] <xtort-> good point
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• 2872[23:43:27] <pagetelegram> bash harps at me unexpected "(" at a function declaration. Using a Bash 3.x script in latest Bash 4.x. Little idea of what I am doing.
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• 2911[23:43:55] <qwebirc95665> i have no sysconfig folder, i dont find the config file
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• 2913[23:44:04] <qwebirc95665> /etc/syscofig/vncservers is not there
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• 2916[23:44:24] <petn-randall> pagetelegram: #bash might help you with that. You will need to show actual code to get an answer there, though.
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• 2919[23:44:44] <pagetelegram> great thank you Randall
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• 2944[23:48:19] <qwebirc95665> i found something
• 2945[23:48:21] <qwebirc95665> replaced-url
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• 2947[23:48:37] <qwebirc95665> .xsession-errors
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• 2953[23:49:10] <nixew> I can't play .mp3 files with "play" command. Is there any terminal mp3 player?
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• 2960[23:50:42] <qwebirc95665> and i think i found my config file for thightvncserver
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• 2964[23:51:11] <qwebirc95665> replaced-url
• 2965[23:51:58] <qwebirc95665> nixew try mocp
• 2966[23:52:16] <petn-randall> nixew: many, there's mpg123, mpg321, cmus, cplay, ...
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• 2971[23:53:40] <nixew> Great, thanks.
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• 2977[23:54:34] <petn-randall> nixew: `aptitude search '?tag(interface::commandline) ?tag(works-with-format::mp3)'` will list you all of them.
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• 2979[23:55:18] <nojake> nice
• 2980[23:55:38] <petn-randall> Eh, `aptitude search '?tag(interface::commandline) ?tag(works-with-format::mp3) ?tag(sound::player)`
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• 2983[23:55:51] <petn-randall> So you only get the players.
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• 2985[23:56:12] <EdePopede> is this comparable to debtags search?
• 2986[23:56:19] <qwebirc95665> do i first use gnome-session or do i first use startx?
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• 2988[23:56:42] <petn-randall> EdePopede: That's debtags.
• 2989[23:56:53] <EdePopede> ah, nice
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