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5 [00:05:33] <kevinnn> hi all, this isn't super relevant to debian but I figured I'd ask. Does anyone know how to configure a software rendered cursor in x11?
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12 [00:14:33] <hk238> hello, I tried installing this fix for this USB 10 Nano wifi device
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15 [00:15:18] <hk238> However the fix doesn't work. How would I remove this?
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17 [00:15:21] <hk238> replaced-url
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22 [00:19:50] <rant> hk238: with the opposite of whatever you did.. i.e. dkms remove man dkms for more info
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24 [00:20:10] <rant> hk238: try the kernel and firmware from backports
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31 [00:23:40] <hk238> hmm I did the above version with the echo stuff
32 [00:23:49] <hk238> how could I view the ID of the device from terminal?
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36 [00:26:45] <rant> lsusb ?
37 [00:28:06] <hk238> I copypasted the 'echo 'install.. bit into console but it didn't result into the wifi device working properly, and I dont' understand the 'tee' command. But it seems it wrote a string into a file (and probably created it also) at etc/modprobe.d/8192cu.conf
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39 [00:29:17] <hk238> yeah lsusb I guess does work
40 [00:29:26] <hk238> Maybe the command is flawed?
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46 [00:31:15] <hk238> basically the connection works but it hangs
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56 [00:44:02] <hk238> hm
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58 [00:45:22] <hk238> replaced-url
59 [00:45:36] <hk238> The device id wasn't found on this page, but it was very close to another device
60 [00:46:00] <hk238> however for 8192ce there's this segment "Devices supported by this driver may suffer from intermittent connection loss. If so, it can be made more reliable by disabling power management via module options ips and fwlps. These can be supplied by creating a new file: "
61 [00:46:17] <hk238> The problem is the same and the driver name is almost the same, so I tried the same line
62 [00:46:19] <Exagone313> Hi, on replaced-url
63 [00:46:23] <hk238> "options rtl8192ce ips=0 fwlps=0"
64 [00:46:29] <hk238> except I canged the ce to cu
65 [00:46:32] <hk238> so let's see if it works
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67 [00:48:30] <Exagone313> Also, more generally, I'd like to know about a case when upgrade is preferred over dist-upgrade because the former refers to a partial upgrade right?
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73 [00:51:05] <hk238> nope that didn't work
74 [00:51:18] <hk238> I tried installing the realtek firmware thing
75 [00:51:55] <hk238> hmm or do I have to reinstall before it can work? Does modprobe do something immediately?
76 [00:52:26] <hk238> *restart
77 [00:52:28] <hk238> I mean
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80 [00:53:31] <hk238> I'll try restarting just incase
81 [00:53:45] <Exagone313> hk238: I don't know the steps you followed, but usually you have to rebuild the initrd and reboot
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84 [00:54:57] <hk238> Sigh
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89 [00:59:29] <hk238> hmm it might work
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91 [01:02:23] <kevinnn> hi all, this isn't super relevant to debian but I figured I'd ask. Does anyone know how to configure a software rendered cursor in x11?
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93 [01:02:50] <hk238> I think the fix worked. It's not entirely confirmed just yet
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97 [01:04:53] <puhdabear> Hello World!
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99 [01:06:19] <hk238> very funny
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101 [01:07:59] <hk238> I think it worked
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103 [01:09:34] <hk238> so basically for device id 0b05 17ba and realtek8192cu I added the line 'options rtl8192cu ips=0 fwlps=0' to '/etc/modprobe.d/rtl8192cu.conf' and that seems to have fixed the connection loss issue. Although since it's somewhat random it's not entirely sure
104 [01:10:24] <hk238> but the connection has persisted way longer than the average disconnection time so probably works
105 [01:10:59] <hk238> nope just lost connection 10 seconds ago
106 [01:11:01] <Exagone313> hk238: imo you should write a small blog post somewhere, at least for you to remember, because nobody is helping people here right now :/
107 [01:11:19] <Exagone313> oh, well, that would have been if it worked
108 [01:11:55] <hk238> on that debian page regarding 819x drivers it was suggested for another device with a similar problem so I tried it for this one but it didn't fix it
109 [01:12:01] <hk238> but neither did the realtek package
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111 [01:12:06] <Exagone313> writing somewhere such fixes really help for the future
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113 [01:12:52] <humpled> oh i have one of those
114 [01:12:58] <Exagone313> maybe a wiki for another distro got fixes for your issue, may not be applicable as-is but would be a first step
115 [01:13:17] <hk238> nope
116 [01:13:28] <hk238> there is one but it didn't work
117 [01:13:31] <hk238> either
118 [01:13:37] <humpled> little usb wireless thing
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120 [01:14:21] <hk238> I think it's probably the device id problem
121 [01:14:28] <hk238> can you install dkms on debian to try that fix?
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125 [01:18:08] <hk238> I could try the second fix from the wikidevi.com
126 [01:18:19] <hk238> but I think I'd need to install this dkms thing
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129 [01:18:51] <hk238> I'll just try that
130 [01:21:25] <hk238> hmm well that resulted into errors so probably not working
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134 [01:22:45] <chomwitt> lxc seems little undocumented in debian .. i mean for not so experienced users in containers.
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143 [01:33:38] <hk238> tried another thing let's see how it goes
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151 [01:38:48] <hk238> nope that didn't work either..
152 [01:39:05] <hk238> I'll try get it workign antoher day
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159 [01:41:24] <blimpy> hi, sorry
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161 [01:41:42] <blimpy> i'm having some issues using sogou pinyin with debian buster
162 [01:41:49] <blimpy> and GNOME
163 [01:42:13] <blimpy> the problem is that ibus is running and i don't want to use ibus, i want to use fcitx
164 [01:42:25] <blimpy> but theres no way to disable ibus
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166 [01:42:31] <blimpy> the terminal command posted on the wiki didn't work
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177 [01:47:27] <madprops> Why does "processing triggers for man-db" has to be called so often? Wouldn't a single call at the end of all package installations work fine?
178 [01:47:44] <Tom-_> i wonder if that's in dpkg
179 [01:47:46] <Tom-_> dpkg, triggers?
180 [01:47:48] <dpkg> Tom-_: have you tried replaced-url
181 [01:48:03] <Tom-_> madprops, i'm sure it's been addressed, probably a lot :)
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183 [01:49:47] <teclo-> madprops: well it's called after each package is installed beacuse it needs to update the appropriate informations in man-db
184 [01:50:13] <teclo-> madprops: but well, 15 years ago, that step took some time
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186 [01:50:35] <teclo-> with current computers, it takes... perhaps 1/10th of a second per package
187 [01:51:09] <EdePopede> still not wrong to optimize things if it can be done easily
188 [01:51:12] <madprops> teclo-, not really, just had one that lasted like 10 seconds, a big one for some reason
189 [01:51:33] <teclo-> madprops: probably did the package have lots of manpages
190 [01:51:42] <madprops> im thinking like why not have a variable and set it to true if any package needs a man-db update, and if so, run it once at the end
191 [01:51:49] <EdePopede> what about the menu btw?
192 [01:52:30] <madprops> i guess running it at the end might leave things incomplete if the installation fails for some reason
193 [01:53:45] <EdePopede> could touch a file somewhere
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257 [02:33:26] <nouveau> For packages like "mumble-server" where the current version in buster is 1.3.0rc1, will that be updated to 1.3.0 when it's finally released which will most likely be after buster becomes new stable? Or will buster sit on 1.3.0rc1?
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308 [03:27:13] <hermande> Morning all.. I have figured out how to make Exim an MTA-STS compliant sending server....
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314 [03:29:35] <abrotman> hermande: I think there's been some discussion on the mailing list about that
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317 [03:30:02] <abrotman> the exim list I meant
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320 [03:31:32] <abrotman> hermande: have you documented this anywhere for others to review (I'm interested anyway)
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324 [03:36:17] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. How do I make sound from my browser go to my sound system instead of trying to use my teeny tiny internal computer speakers?
325 [03:36:49] <karlpinc> I don't know, but it sounds like an alsa related question. So here's some info on that in case it helps:
326 [03:37:30] <karlpinc> !alsa-checklist
327 [03:37:30] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
328 [03:38:16] <karlpinc> Lady_Aleena: Either that, or it's one of those desktop things that needs exploring through some settings gui or another.
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331 [03:39:08] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, how do I add myself to the 'audio' group?
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333 [03:39:32] <abrotman> type groups, yu're probably already in it
334 [03:40:08] <Lady_Aleena> me adm cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner
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336 [03:40:13] <abrotman> there it is
337 [03:40:50] <mutante> aumix -v 100 (happened to me ..it was just set to 0 and suddenly everything worked and blasted at 100%)
338 [03:42:12] <mutante> well. or if you don't have that.. literally "alsamixer"
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345 [03:46:11] <Lady_Aleena> mutante, I don't see aumix in my settings.
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350 [03:46:47] <mutante> Lady_Aleena: it's a command you type in the shell.. try just "alsamixer" then
351 [03:47:05] <Lady_Aleena> mutante, I'm in alsamixer now.
352 [03:47:19] <Lady_Aleena> That is where I wasn't seeing aumix.
353 [03:47:24] <abrotman> which version of Debian is this?
354 [03:47:42] <Lady_Aleena> jessie
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356 [03:47:53] <abrotman> aumix and alsamixer are both programs
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359 [03:49:59] <Lady_Aleena> I can't find where to tell Firefox to use my sound system.
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367 [03:55:49] <Lady_Aleena> Got it! Thank you three musketeers! 8)
368 [03:55:50] <hermande> abrotman, I'm looking for interest. I'll likely publish the stuff after I deploy it .
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385 [04:10:24] <karlpinc> Lady_Aleena: (Wouldn't hurt to read the squeeze release notes and upgrade. It might be _slightly_ easier to do now than once buster releases. And then you can upgrade to buster. :-) Already you may be running some software that's out of support, and upgrading is easier than doing a whole new install.
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387 [04:10:26] <ryouma> ah a jessie user!
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389 [04:12:32] <annadane> s/squeeze release notes/stretch release notes
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395 [04:14:36] <karlpinc> oops
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399 [04:15:52] <Lady_Aleena> karlpinc, I am terrified of upgrading these days.
400 [04:15:55] <ryouma> i was disappoitned to learn that lts does not monitor all packages for security (if that's correct). so i am a little wary of lts until that question is resolved.
401 [04:16:01] <ryouma> Lady_Aleena: i don't blame you
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403 [04:16:36] <annadane> lts is more server-side packages afaik but yes it's certainly not every package in any event
404 [04:16:37] <ryouma> that is, lts has some packages it explicitly drops support for, and also a bunch more that it does not explicitly say it does not support
405 [04:16:45] <Lady_Aleena> If only I didn't need to shut everything down while upgrading. I mean, why can't I listen to my music during an upgrade?
406 [04:17:00] <ryouma> Lady_Aleena: you /probably/ can
407 [04:17:09] <annadane> do you listen to music 24/7? :P
408 [04:17:31] <ryouma> you can run in a different vt
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413 [04:18:02] <annadane> oh this reminds me of a separate question i had, not to hijack this discussion
414 [04:18:31] <annadane> should i run in a virtual terminal if i have graphical updates like nvidia? does it affect anything in a bad way if i don't, and just run it from xfce4-terminal?
415 [04:19:18] <ryouma> my ignorant understanding is that if you don't have to boot x or wm etc. during the upgrade, you can
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418 [04:19:49] <ryouma> you can also do it in a vt, then do tail -f in your terminal
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420 [04:20:01] <ryouma> (but that screws up becuase of buffering but whatever)
421 [04:20:16] <annadane> i got some "the following packages are recommended but won't be installed" during the 9.9 upgrade but i was a lazy shit and just kind of allowed apt to do whatever
422 [04:20:34] <annadane> i assume it's fine, my system hasn't exploded
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424 [04:23:22] <annadane> i will assume buster is the litmus test, if i run into errors during that upgrae
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426 [04:25:51] <Lady_Aleena> ryouma, all of my music is on this computer or in my car. A dist upgrade would mean no music to soothe me through the dicey moments.
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429 [04:28:09] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: I don't see a reason why a music player, esp. a CLI one, would not keep running for the whole of a release upgrade process, except for the reboot(s)
430 [04:28:12] <ryouma> Lady_Aleena: you can do it
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432 [04:29:10] <ryouma> the most annoying thing, besides fixing bugs and changes, seems to be having debconf set to medium. don't do that! i'm going to use critical i think.
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434 [04:31:39] <Lady_Aleena> I have a boot error to fix first before I even think about a dist upgrade. The 'ata3: SRST failed (error=-16)
435 [04:31:51] <Lady_Aleena> ...is driving me nuts whenever I boot.
436 [04:31:58] <ryouma> does it cause issues?
437 [04:32:09] <ryouma> 'cause i get various nonmaterial bugs
438 [04:32:10] <Lady_Aleena> ryouma, it slows down the boot a lot!
439 [04:32:15] <ryouma> ah :(
440 [04:32:25] <ryouma> but the next upgrade might fix it
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442 [04:33:19] <ryouma> boot bugs are the worst, beucase there is no attention to accessibility, font size, access to familiar tools, complete error messages that are meaningful, avoidance of things that overwrite messages, etc.
443 [04:34:32] <Lady_Aleena> Why doesn't Debian fix that?
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448 [04:37:32] <ryouma> wish it would. maybe all the devs are able-bodied, think a blinking underscore is plenty meaningful, etc. :/
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451 [04:38:24] <Lady_Aleena> I've searched the web, and the error appears to be hard drive related. I just don't feel like pulling my computer apart to see if the cables are firmly plugged in. I should since I think it is slowing down my system when I am running big perl scripts.
452 [04:38:58] <klys> lady_aleena, are you getting seekcomplete errors?
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454 [04:39:15] <klys> dmesg | less
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456 [04:41:03] <Lady_Aleena> Not that I can tell.
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461 [04:42:52] <Lady_Aleena> Found where it shows 'ata3: SRST failed (errorno=-16)'. The line above it reads 'ata3: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0)'
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464 [04:45:03] <Lady_Aleena> I'm going to go eat a late dinner and then maybe sleep. I'm hungry and tired.
465 [04:45:21] <Lady_Aleena> Thank you all for chatting with me. Hope to see you all again soon.
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471 [04:49:40] <annadane> where are the debconf video archives?
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475 [04:53:10] <annadane> ugh, there, okay. not the easiest thing to search for
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485 [05:02:59] <jelly> annadane: was it hard to find? make a factoid or update the "debconf" one!
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541 [06:12:39] <bbt> hi can someone please link me a howto for debian stretch with postfix + dovecot + mysql (virtual domains) + dkim that works?
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545 [06:15:06] <SwedeMike> bbt: replaced-url
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547 [06:15:41] <SwedeMike> also replaced-url
548 [06:16:29] <bbt> ty
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699 [08:36:31] <julas86> Hi! I am setting up a new PC with Debian later and want to use UEFI Secure Boot with it. If I use the Stretch installer (which does not seem to support Secure Boot) and update to Buster later, can I then later enable Secure Boot? Or should I rather use the Buster installer (which supports Secure Boot)?
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738 [09:02:26] <puhdabear> Hello
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792 [09:52:13] <divx> I only see a -dev package for libegl1-mesa so I assume that's the one I need? What's the difference between libegl1-mesa and libegl-mesa0?
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803 [09:59:04] <sinhue> Hi. I installed debian 8.11 and I'm unable to add user to sudo group. :-/ When I do adduser <user>sudo I get 'The ser is already member of sudo.' but when i do groups on that user it doesn't show sudo
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809 [10:01:44] <dax> have you logged out and back in since the user was added to the group?
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812 [10:03:48] <rant> sinhue: su - user then check groups again (or logout and back in again)
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817 [10:05:47] <sinhue> thanks guys :D
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937 [11:33:36] <kinky_nekoboi> aaaand enigmail is buggy again
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1043 [13:01:17] <tugrik> morning - I have a Debian box that boots, and the terminal on tty1 is there - but it doesn't actually display on my monitor
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1045 [13:01:37] <tugrik> I know it's there because I can log in using it, and then ssh in and see an extra bash process has started
1046 [13:01:55] <tugrik> any ideas on how to diagnose this before I have to move things around and try different monitors?
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1059 [13:09:34] <klys> tugrik, blacklist your framebuffer module(s).
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1066 [13:14:28] <tugrik> thanks klys - poking around with that now :)
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1118 [14:00:14] <andre144k> hi all
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1120 [14:00:27] <klys> ello
1121 [14:01:10] <andre144k> i have follow situation: replaced-url
1122 [14:02:46] <fireba11> andre144k: ju
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1124 [14:02:48] <fireba11> andre144k: jup
1125 [14:03:18] <andre144k> so - can i say: 48GB RAM would be okay without any swapping?
1126 [14:03:23] <andre144k> in actually situation
1127 [14:03:40] <fireba11> jup, if the load is constand of the snapshot is representative :-D
1128 [14:03:58] <fireba11> whops, typo-day today apparently
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1130 [14:04:09] <klys> with procps v. 2:3.3.12-3 I have not three, but only two rows.
1131 [14:04:15] <andre144k> normaly i would say 32GB wouldbe enoth too, cause 20GB is only used by apps?
1132 [14:04:17] <ChrisH> I am running KDE on Debian 9. What is the Name of the program/widget resonsible for handling the K start menu button. Mine does only accept 1 character as search string. (Since a few days ago)
1133 [14:04:58] <fireba11> andre144k: depends a bit on your application behaviour how important the disk cache is but could well be
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1135 [14:05:15] <jelly> andre144k: it depends on how much cache is actually actively used
1136 [14:05:35] <jelly> even 24GB RAM might be enough if the system is light on io
1137 [14:06:36] <jelly> andre144k: however, linux kernel is tuned to page out idle RAM pages rather aggressively by default so you might see swap usage, but not active swapping
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1139 [14:06:51] <jelly> !swappiness
1140 [14:06:51] <dpkg> A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. replaced-url
1141 [14:06:58] <andre144k> there is runnning java-intensiv application-server - so i think 32GB should be there
1142 [14:07:04] <klys> chrish, kwin-x11 ?
1143 [14:07:07] <andre144k> thnks
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1146 [14:07:29] <oiaohm> andre144k: there is no value of ram until where no swap is safe with the Linux kernel until the memory defragging issues are fixed.
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1148 [14:07:51] <jelly> andre144k: a single java process won't grow much above its JVM Xmx + Xms + 20% extra settings
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1151 [14:09:16] <jelly> andre144k: I'd advise against not putting more than 1-2GB swap. If the system ends up swapping and you don't have a VERY fast backend for swap (think SSD), it's going to take a long time until OOM-killer gets activated
1152 [14:09:33] <oiaohm> andre144k: There is a hack used in places in the Linux kernel to defrag memory structures by sending them to swap. So you need small ram swap of about 128 megs at bare min.
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1155 [14:09:55] <andre144k> is a big oracle weblogic with many users
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1157 [14:10:21] <andre144k> but ill try out maybe 32gb ram next weeks - and will have a look.
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1159 [14:12:09] <jelly> oiaohm: supposedly that stuff was fixed around 3.14 or some other 3.x kernel?
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1161 [14:12:38] <jelly> or zram swap :>
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1163 [14:13:10] <jelly> there's anectdotal evidence of zram swap being useful even in server env
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1169 [14:15:36] <oiaohm> jelly: replaced-url
1170 [14:17:13] <oiaohm> jelly: the memory allocations fragmentation resulting in need to use swap to fix them are still in 4.x and 5.x Linux kernels.
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1172 [14:17:42] <oiaohm> jelly: yes a zram swap where you have a form of ram swap is enough to provide system.
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1182 [14:21:18] <oiaohm> jelly: ram fragmentation issues are being an ass. Every time they fix the worst they find another area of o crap that broken too.
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1244 [14:55:39] <okias> Hello guys, I need build one DEB package, does debian or somewhere is some free virtual instance of debian where can I build it and wipe it?
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1247 [14:57:56] <okias> or any recomendation how to do it fast and simply?
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1300 [15:28:13] <petn-randall> okias: 1) You can download and install Debian freely, even in a VM. 2) Depending on what your overall goal is, you don't need a .deb package, or you need to spend more time reading up on packaging.
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1308 [15:33:22] <mason> okias: There's always the OpenSuSE build service.
1309 [15:33:42] <mason> okias: replaced-url
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1331 [15:50:34] <xenlo> Hi, I have a PXE/tftp server (actually it's a Cobbler) to netinstall our VMs. I used a the initrd and the vmlinuz from the debian-9.8-netboot.tar.gz
1332 [15:50:40] <xenlo> And in the preseed I set the default public repo (d-i mirror/http/hostname string deb.debian.org; d-i mirror/http/directory string /debian;).
1333 [15:50:48] <xenlo> The last installation ends with error "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used…"
1334 [15:50:55] <xenlo> Is that because I use a kernel from Debian 9.8 and that on the repo the moved to 9.9?
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1340 [15:54:07] <themill> xenlo: yes, the kernel package will have a different name due to the ABI bump. These things need to match
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1344 [15:56:44] <xenlo> hum? and isn't anyway to not have to redeploy the last version of the netboot tar archive on my tftp server each time there is an minor update?
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1348 [16:03:27] <themill> Not that I recall, but I've not looked at this stuff for about a decade
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1363 [16:12:39] <okias> petn-randall: thanks
1364 [16:12:56] <okias> mason: I'll probably try that first, long time didn't hear about OBS and forgot it exists
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1392 [16:37:01] <okias> does have debian IRC for packaging. I'm interested in best approach to build rust written code, but using meson/ninja build
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1394 [16:37:15] <greycat> !mentors
1395 [16:37:15] <dpkg> well, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
1396 [16:37:29] <okias> I found that for Rust code managed by cargo is debcargo, but not sure about this combination
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1579 [18:26:17] <dokma> I've connected my Debian laptop to a wifi booster via cable. How do I connect to it and browse it's config interface?
1580 [18:26:37] <dokma> I suppose it should now be the eth0 interface?
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1584 [18:28:40] <dokma> I've put a bit of config into /etc/network/interfaces and now I can ping something on eth0
1585 [18:28:48] <dokma> But nothing loads in the browser...
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1593 [18:31:04] <jelly> dokma: does the wifi booster need configuration and is it configurered to connect to, or establish a mesh with, your other AP correctly?
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1596 [18:31:37] <jelly> you might have to read its MANUAL
1597 [18:31:48] <dokma> jelly: from what I understand I should connect to it via an http config interface to enter the ESSID and passkey
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1601 [18:32:31] <jelly> presumably your pc gets a dhcp address from it, and then you can access a fixed URL?
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1612 [18:37:49] <ksk> try "dhclient $interface" where interface is the one connected to the box to try to get a (new) DHCP lease
1613 [18:38:19] <ksk> should work via network/interfaces, too, of course, if you did that correctly.
1614 [18:38:32] <greycat> I can't possibly imagine that calling a DHCP client daemon by hand in an interactive root shell is the right way to do *anything*
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1616 [18:39:37] <greycat> well, maybe to test whether there's a DHCP server on the network, right before you cycle power
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1619 [18:41:12] <jelly> ksk: but they already got a config and ping something (presumably, something other than their own host)
1620 [18:41:19] <zfs_lover1> Hello
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1622 [18:41:32] <ksk> jelly: oh, sorry, I did not catch that part.
1623 [18:41:44] <zfs_lover1> please let me know, is it possible to use hardenedBSD kernel for a kFreeBSD ?
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1625 [18:42:07] <jelly> zfs_lover1: uh... try it and see?
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1627 [18:42:29] <ksk> greycat: would you care to elaborate why that is so bad?
1628 [18:42:35] <jelly> !kfreebsd
1629 [18:42:36] <dpkg> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures since Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. replaced-url
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1631 [18:43:02] <jelly> zfs_lover1: perhaps someone in the arch-specific channel might know ^ Mind the different irc network.
1632 [18:43:51] <zfs_lover1> Thanks
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1634 [18:44:15] <jelly> > Our primary goal is to provide a clean-room reimplementation of the publicly-documented parts of the grsecurity patchset for Linux.
1635 [18:44:21] <jelly> huh, imagine that
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1637 [18:44:53] <zfs_lover1> What is the best method to use grsecurity today except purchasing?
1638 [18:45:06] <zfs_lover1> Can you please suggest a repository?
1639 [18:45:07] <jelly> there's no other best method
1640 [18:45:41] <zfs_lover1> Does grsecurity for kernel 4.9 fix a problem with Spectre
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1642 [18:45:43] <zfs_lover1> ?
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1644 [18:46:21] <jelly> if you mean the unofficial port from minipli, that hasn't been updated for 6+ months, I think the answer is "no"
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1646 [18:46:31] <zfs_lover1> Is it a good idea to run hardaned bsd as a baremetal bhyve host
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1648 [18:46:40] <zfs_lover1> and grsecurity as a guest?
1649 [18:46:44] <ksk> I would think there are spectre related fixes in the linux kernel itself? not sure on how good they mitigate the problems though..
1650 [18:46:46] <mohsen_1> Hi replaced-url
1651 [18:47:01] <mohsen_1> can I use the images in this directory for trying debian?
1652 [18:47:34] <greycat> !firmware images
1653 [18:47:35] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
1654 [18:47:36] <jelly> zfs_lover1: it's not a good idea to run anything you can't verify it works
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1657 [18:48:53] <zfs_lover1> what can I do to verify?
1658 [18:48:58] <zfs_lover1> run a test?
1659 [18:49:08] <mohsen_1> greycat: was the bot's response for me?
1660 [18:49:31] <zfs_lover1> it would be nice to know a right way for a good solution in advance to save time
1661 [18:49:34] <jelly> zfs_lover1: you learn how things work, and what they're supposed to do, and then devise and run tests, yes. But none of this is really a Debian tech issue, is it?
1662 [18:49:45] <zfs_lover1> actually I am not familiar with BSD at all
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1664 [18:49:52] <zfs_lover1> I have only Linux experience
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1666 [18:50:30] <zfs_lover1> I use Debian for already over 10 years and searching a method to secure it
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1669 [18:50:59] <greycat> Minimize the services you run, and stay up to date on patches. Done. Next!
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1671 [18:51:27] <zfs_lover1> Cannot find anything better than a hypervisor with statement its kernel mitigate Spectre
1672 [18:51:30] <jelly> zfs_lover1: what are your budgetary and time constraints? Can you spend a year or five on software and IT security?
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1675 [18:52:03] <zfs_lover1> I can spend a few months
1676 [18:52:04] <jelly> there are much more problematic issues than spectre these days
1677 [18:52:12] <zfs_lover1> alreay spent about a half of the year
1678 [18:52:21] <zfs_lover1> Librebooted
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1680 [18:52:38] <zfs_lover1> uninstalled non-free
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1684 [18:53:08] <zfs_lover1> installed a reliable home alarm to avoid unnoticed reflashing
1685 [18:53:34] <jelly> esxi has patches for some spectre variants and partial mitigations for l1tf that don't block hyperthreading completely
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1688 [18:54:05] <zfs_lover1> what other problems except Spectre do you refer?
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1690 [18:54:25] <zfs_lover1> Spectre prevents isolation of VMs and host
1691 [18:54:36] <zfs_lover1> encryption keys are leaked
1692 [18:54:48] <jelly> "spectre" is not one bug but a class of issues.
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1694 [18:55:12] <zfs_lover1> sure, and I guess there are much more which are not published yet
1695 [18:55:15] <jelly> not all are fixed, not all can be fixed in just hypervisor or kernel.
1696 [18:55:34] <jelly> I'm only talking about the public and published stuff.
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1698 [18:55:48] <zfs_lover1> so the best is having separated hardware mobos for each critical task?
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1703 [18:56:23] <zfs_lover1> may be ARM Cortex A7/A53
1704 [18:56:43] <zfs_lover1> They are free of Spectre
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1706 [18:57:06] <jelly> the best is: learn risk management so you can define what "best" is
1707 [18:57:06] <dionysus70> one music related question: so I am using clementine if that matters, I need to know if there's an open source project that lets me sync music(including ability to only sync metadata, since metadata changes regular cloud services start uploading/downloading full files)
1708 [18:57:46] <jelly> uh, sync music how?
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1710 [18:57:54] <jelly> to what?
1711 [18:57:54] <zfs_lover1> I have constant attack to my internal LAN
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1713 [18:58:04] <zfs_lover1> And cannot fix this yet
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1716 [18:58:27] <dionysus70> between multiple pc-s, let's assume I can assign one of the pc to act as server
1717 [18:58:46] <zfs_lover1> most likely it is an NSA virtualization trojan
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1720 [18:59:00] <zfs_lover1> in BIOS or boot placeholder
1721 [18:59:07] <jelly> dionysus70: I've given up on that and just sshfs-mount stuff from the home server
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1723 [18:59:31] <zfs_lover1> I am not sure how to they control trojans even when Internet is disconnected
1724 [18:59:33] <jelly> zfs_lover1: that sounds like crazy conspiracy level crap
1725 [18:59:34] <dokma> jelly: all good. I'm connected.
1726 [18:59:41] <zfs_lover1> I do not have WIFI and any other air
1727 [18:59:51] <dionysus70> jelly: I am dealing with remote computers that aren't always on so that, work computer let's say so i cannot do that efficiently :\
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1729 [19:00:18] <zfs_lover1> Most likely modern HDDs contain radio chips
1730 [19:00:26] <jelly> zfs_lover1: are you and your data REALLY that important someone would waste malware worth $10k easily on your lan?
1731 [19:00:31] <zfs_lover1> or motherboards, but mobos are relatively old
1732 [19:00:38] <jelly> hint: the answer is almost always no
1733 [19:01:07] <zfs_lover1> They tried to push me out from my residence
1734 [19:01:17] <zfs_lover1> to make a credit and job for corp
1735 [19:01:20] <zfs_lover1> I hate them
1736 [19:01:23] <jelly> zfs_lover1: do you work as an engineer for a multimillion dollar corp worth of corporate espionage?
1737 [19:01:41] <zfs_lover1> it is a ganstalking
1738 [19:01:45] <zfs_lover1> they have budgets
1739 [19:01:52] <zfs_lover1> profit does not matter
1740 [19:01:56] <greycat> *plonk*
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1742 [19:02:09] <jelly> zfs_lover1: sorry, no, that's paranoia dude
1743 [19:02:22] <jelly> can't be solved in software
1744 [19:02:39] <zfs_lover1> I have many proofs enough to ask for USA refugee
1745 [19:02:46] <zfs_lover1> and I guess it is their goal
1746 [19:03:01] <dionysus70> :D I have enough reasons to be a refugee too, who cares though
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1748 [19:03:19] <jelly> if I had to move I sure would not go to US
1749 [19:03:29] <dionysus70> that too*
1750 [19:03:32] <zfs_lover1> I will not move
1751 [19:03:33] <jelly> sweden? NZ?
1752 [19:03:38] <zfs_lover1> never
1753 [19:04:23] <jelly> but why the US with their crazy, racist, rampant unchecked capitalism policies
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1755 [19:04:46] <zfs_lover1> High pays
1756 [19:04:56] <zfs_lover1> but remote even better
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1762 [19:05:33] <dionysus70> There's something to the USA that I like, even in that anarcho like economy, except the medical establishment, that is just too much
1763 [19:05:43] <greycat> this is a bit off topic
1764 [19:05:49] <dionysus70> lol
1765 [19:05:50] <jelly> in any case, I'd suggest a book about risk management, perhaps something by Schneier, to keep the paranoia under control, and maybe ##security for general chat
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1768 [19:06:40] <zfs_lover1> it is not a paranoya
1769 [19:06:51] <zfs_lover1> it is a proved fact by many people
1770 [19:06:59] <zfs_lover1> they read thoughts remotely
1771 [19:07:00] <jelly> still not topical here.
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1773 [19:07:28] <zfs_lover1> intelligent agencies are under control of aliens most likely
1774 [19:07:47] <jelly> zfs_lover1: please stop
1775 [19:07:47] <zfs_lover1> the goal a syndrome of Kandinksy
1776 [19:07:58] <zfs_lover1> Kleramba
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1783 [19:10:27] <jelly> zfs_lover1: quieted for 4hr, please take a walk or other activity that makes you think more clearly. thought reading does not work that way.
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1787 [19:11:05] * bigon tried to join #debian-devel on OFTC and ended up here, I'm not disapointed
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1791 [19:13:33] <Soo_Slow> hello. What s the better place to store big-sized files? (games, music archive and other stuff not from repos) Inside /home folder? Or leave it for configs only and hold things on separate partition? Or... whatever else didnt come to my mind yet? :v
1792 [19:13:47] <greycat> I make a separate partition for it.
1793 [19:13:59] <jelly> I have a whole separate disk for media
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1796 [19:14:52] <jelly> it's mounted under a noninventive /media/hd point
1797 [19:14:56] <jhutchins_wk> I have a separate server for data.
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1799 [19:15:20] <greycat> this is going to escalate, isn't it
1800 [19:15:21] <jelly> next person is going to escalate with "I have a separate cloud!!!1"
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1802 [19:15:34] <greycat> hey, no fair jumping steps like that. has to be a separate LAN first.
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1804 [19:15:51] <SerajewelKS> i just put it under /home unless a need a different redundancy policy than /home has
1805 [19:16:02] <SerajewelKS> (or i don't have enough space on /home)
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1807 [19:16:50] <jelly> I don't have enough ssd space for media. But 1TB SSD are rather cheap these days
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1809 [19:17:27] <jelly> /home is mirrored on ssd and hd, /media/hd on hd and hd
1810 [19:17:32] <SerajewelKS> my steam library is on an external HDD because the internal SSD is not that large -- but i have a symlink from my home directory, so it's logically "still there"
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1812 [19:18:10] <jelly> I have a symlink farm.
1813 [19:18:11] <EdePopede> SerajewelKS: curious me, why not a bind mount?
1814 [19:18:13] <jelly> lrwxrwxrwx 1 jelly users 11 Jun 11 2012 /home/jelly/h -> /media/hd/h
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1816 [19:18:19] <SerajewelKS> IMO anything permanently mounted under /mnt should be symlinked somewhere else
1817 [19:18:33] <SerajewelKS> because /mnt is an implementation detail, nothing should specifically reference /mnt except fstab
1818 [19:19:03] <SerajewelKS> EdePopede: i only use bind mounts when necessary. symlinks don't need root to create them, and you can see where they point.
1819 [19:19:23] <jelly> and then things go like
1820 [19:19:24] <jelly> lrwxrwxrwx 1 jelly users 8 Oct 7 2013 .steam -> h/.steam
1821 [19:19:44] <SerajewelKS> right
1822 [19:20:05] <jelly> it's poor man's hierarchical file system
1823 [19:20:32] <SerajewelKS> for example, i moved my bitcoin datadir onto non-redundant storage (except the wallet file) so there is a .bitcoin symlink to non-redundant storage, then in there wallet.dat is a symlink back to redundant storage
1824 [19:20:44] <SerajewelKS> bind mounts also don't work for single files, and they are overkill
1825 [19:21:16] <jelly> there are better (or easier) technical tools to achieve similar tiered storage spaces
1826 [19:21:29] <jelly> eg. bcachefs / bcache
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1829 [19:22:25] <SerajewelKS> probably, but then i'd have to take the system down and convert to that
1830 [19:22:34] <SerajewelKS> there's lots of ways to accomplish the same thing
1831 [19:23:01] <jhutchins_wk> That's linux.
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1833 [19:23:21] <SerajewelKS> i prefer LVM on mdadm-raid
1834 [19:23:50] <jelly> SerajewelKS: that's what I have right now at home
1835 [19:24:07] <SwedeMike> I also do lvm on top of md
1836 [19:24:08] <jelly> also sometimes lvm on md on lvm :->
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1840 [19:24:19] <SerajewelKS> same. and my work workstation. and all of our servers, that i've set up anyway.
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1843 [19:25:01] <jelly> our servers don't have md, just lvm. Because hypervisor or storage controller does redundancy there
1844 [19:25:18] <jelly> hope to get rid of all nonvirtual linuxes
1845 [19:25:32] <SerajewelKS> true, on our virtual servers there is no md
1846 [19:25:34] <jelly> there's about 10-15% remaining
1847 [19:26:12] <SerajewelKS> LVM is too useful not to use, especially when you can dynamically provision storage in a virtual environment
1848 [19:26:32] <jelly> no reboots!
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1850 [19:26:39] <jelly> well, no reboots for disk growing!
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1853 [19:26:59] <SerajewelKS> my workstation was LVM only
1854 [19:27:09] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, definitely worth it for that.
1855 [19:27:18] <SerajewelKS> without reboots i converted it to LVM-on-md-on-LUKS
1856 [19:27:30] <SerajewelKS> wait
1857 [19:27:35] <SerajewelKS> LVM-on-LUKS-on-md
1858 [19:27:38] <jhutchins_wk> I've worked with one high-traffic system though where LVM killed performance. It's not much overhead, but it's another layer.
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1860 [19:27:53] <SerajewelKS> md-on-LUKS is dumb
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1863 [19:28:15] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: especially if you use snapshots. the write amplification can cause big problems.
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1867 [19:29:26] <SerajewelKS> but we use LVM snapshots for backups. we do them in the middle of the night though, haven't had any issues.
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1870 [19:30:13] <SerajewelKS> it's nice not having to coordinate all the disk-using services to stop during the backup. as long as they can recover from a crash, they can recover from an LVM snapshot backup.
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1890 [19:36:06] <jelly> SerajewelKS: can it do a consistent snapshot for multiple LVs?
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1896 [19:37:22] <johnfg> hi folks
1897 [19:37:28] <jelly> I have databases that span multiple LVs and sometimes multiple VGs and if I did a snapshot like that it'd have to keep consistency across the whole set
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1899 [19:38:09] <johnfg> Just came across (as a suggested package) needrestart. What is it and what does it do?
1900 [19:38:16] <johnfg> !dkpg needrestart
1901 [19:38:19] <jelly> ,i needrestart
1902 [19:38:20] <judd> Package needrestart (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: check which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades. Version: 2.11-3+deb9u1; Size: 45.8k; Installed: 227k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1904 [19:38:38] <jelly> pretty much what it says on the tin
1905 [19:38:42] <johnfg> jelly: Thanks
1906 [19:38:50] <jelly> johnfg: apt-cache show packagename
1907 [19:39:08] <dax> there's also checkrestart from the debian-goodies package. i have no idea what the difference is (i use checkrestart)
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1910 [19:39:17] <johnfg> ,i bsd-mailx
1911 [19:39:18] <judd> Package bsd-mailx (mail, optional) in stretch/amd64: simple mail user agent. Version: 8.1.2-0.20160123cvs-4; Size: 85.0k; Installed: 165k
1912 [19:39:19] <jelly> needrestart is newer and a bit more correct
1913 [19:39:29] <dax> oh okay, good to know. guess i'll switch over
1914 [19:39:38] <jelly> and it hooks itself into apt
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1916 [19:40:03] <jelly> you don't have to run it separately
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1918 [19:40:46] <dax> huh, nice
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1921 [19:41:43] <jelly> "you still have a newer kernel to boot!!" "I know, I installed a backport, fuckoff"
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1924 [19:42:08] <SerajewelKS> jelly: to my knowledge you can't atomically snapshot two volumes
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1932 [19:47:33] <jelly> unacceptable!
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1939 [19:49:09] <jelly> native linux does not have great support for backup-useful functionality, you can't do incremental backups for normal fs like ext4 without weird patches or kernel modules
1940 [19:49:28] <SerajewelKS> thankfully our servers only use a single LV for stuff that needs to be backed up
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1946 [19:51:03] <SerajewelKS> IMO any storage system should not have a bunch of APIs for every possible action
1947 [19:51:16] <SerajewelKS> it should have one API: here's an ordered list of changes to make
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1949 [19:51:28] <SerajewelKS> and those changes are applied atomically
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1951 [19:51:52] <SerajewelKS> then you don't need to support multiple snapshots at once, you get it automatically
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1956 [19:54:14] <jelly> except having a single queue for io the whole time makes things very slow
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1961 [19:55:39] <jelly> (see how recent linux kernels don't have a "deadline" scheduler any more but a "mq-deadline"? multi queue)
1962 [19:55:47] <jelly> io* scheduler
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1964 [19:56:14] <SerajewelKS> i don't mean for all IO, i mean for storage system changes
1965 [19:56:42] <jelly> but then you need an ability to temporarily switch to backup-safe mode, and back
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1968 [19:57:15] <SerajewelKS> no, i mean pretend that LVM had a single API for making changes to all LVM object types
1969 [19:57:25] <SerajewelKS> which accepts a list of operations
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1974 [19:57:54] <SerajewelKS> then you would be able to make any sequence of LVM operations atomic. like "create two snapshots"
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1976 [19:58:50] <jelly> that means at the very least freezing io (and there _are_ APIs for that already, only sometimes they do not work)
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1978 [19:59:32] <SerajewelKS> but can you atomically freeze IO on two volumes?
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1981 [20:00:35] <jelly> on the whole system. But sometimes it fails or messes up IO behaviour on busy systems. So we have a 10-disk 2TB VM that does not have consistent backups, ever
1982 [20:01:00] <SerajewelKS> what is that API? i only know of fsfreeze and it only freezes a single volume at once.
1983 [20:01:23] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: You might want to look at rdiff-backup for incrementals.
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1988 [20:02:18] <SerajewelKS> i personally like restic for backups but you still need a mechanism to make the underlying storage view point-in-time
1989 [20:02:32] <jelly> orly? VMware uses fsfreeze I think, it probably does it on all the fses.
1990 [20:02:34] <SerajewelKS> unless you are willing to stop anything that might write to the disk
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1992 [20:02:47] <SerajewelKS> LVM snapshots also use fsfreeze
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1995 [20:03:48] <jelly> I wonder if I could get it to behave better by stopping all the mail client and mail delivery processes first :->
1996 [20:03:55] <SerajewelKS> the only system i know on linux that can atomically snapshot the whole system is a hypervisor
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1998 [20:04:18] <SerajewelKS> it can suspend VM execution, take a snapshot by some mechanism, then resume
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2000 [20:04:30] <jelly> yes, so it's solved at that level
2001 [20:04:45] <jelly> if your hypervisor is good enough
2002 [20:04:47] <SerajewelKS> if you only need to back up a single volume, LVM snapshots also work
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2004 [20:05:41] <jelly> qemu supposedly has block change tracking now so KVM might even get incremental VM backups at some point
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2006 [20:06:08] <SerajewelKS> we solve this by having a single volume per redundancy level, so we always have a redundant volume where most of the stuff lives, and possibly a non-redundant volume for transient data. the rule is: if you need to back it up, put it on the redundant volume.
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2008 [20:06:25] <SerajewelKS> the redundant volume gets backed up using restic against an LVM snapshot
2009 [20:07:00] <SerajewelKS> i've not seen a case where i need two volumes except for differing redundancy levels (external media aside)
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2011 [20:07:23] <jelly> how do you tell restic "no, this is really /foo mountpoint and not /where/foo/snapshot"
2012 [20:07:56] <SerajewelKS> currently you can't
2013 [20:08:06] <jelly> I've migrated some rsync backups to restic and it took the actual path
2014 [20:08:22] <SerajewelKS> we solve this by chrooting into the snapshot and running restic in there
2015 [20:08:26] <jelly> of the backup, not the original patch
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2017 [20:09:18] <SerajewelKS> which we have to do anyway, because we are backing up a mysql server with myisam tables (so DB snapshots don't work for backup)
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2019 [20:09:26] <SerajewelKS> we start a second mysqld in the chroot and mysqldump it
2020 [20:09:39] <jelly> yeah, I thought I'd be able to avoid doing that. Did a bunch of bind-mounts to get it consistent.
2021 [20:09:39] <SerajewelKS> otherwise the entire DB is locked for minutes
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2023 [20:09:50] <jelly> ha, that's a good idea
2024 [20:10:04] <jmichel> You could use replication, and backup the slave one stopped.
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2026 [20:10:13] <SerajewelKS> yep we could do that
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2028 [20:10:22] <SerajewelKS> that was one of my suggestions
2029 [20:10:28] <SerajewelKS> it costs money :)
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2031 [20:11:09] <SerajewelKS> i'm taking baby steps to make things better. we didn't have full-system backups before i started working on it.
2032 [20:11:30] <SerajewelKS> we had like a month of DB dumps and three days of copies of specific directories
2033 [20:11:46] <SerajewelKS> now we have 60 days of everything plus longer retention of weekly backups
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2035 [20:12:05] <SerajewelKS> and it takes less disk space
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2040 [20:13:01] <jelly> choosing what to backup is best done by "everything"
2041 [20:13:08] <SerajewelKS> yep
2042 [20:13:15] <SerajewelKS> backup before was whitelist, now it is blacklist
2043 [20:13:36] <SerajewelKS> one of the owners asked me why we're backing up stuff that comes with the distro
2044 [20:13:45] <SerajewelKS> i showed him i can restore a full working system in a VM in about 5 minutes
2045 [20:13:49] <jelly> unexpectedly, a daily restic is _much_ faster than a daily rsync
2046 [20:13:50] <SerajewelKS> "oh"
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2049 [20:14:47] <SerajewelKS> one restic caveat i've noticed, just so you're aware: it doesn't notice changes in ownership/mode if they are the only changes
2050 [20:14:51] <jelly> SerajewelKS: and with that kind of speed whole new workflows can happen, bring up a test env. with 5 machines in 20 minutes
2051 [20:14:55] <SerajewelKS> i think there's an open bug for that
2052 [20:15:03] <jelly> ouch
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2055 [20:15:28] <jelly> I can probably live with that for some systems but not all
2056 [20:15:30] <SerajewelKS> it compares your local tree to the tree in the "parent" snapshot and only backs up files whose mtime or size differs
2057 [20:15:45] <SerajewelKS> you can supply --force to tell it not to use a parent. then it has to rescan and rehash everything on disk.
2058 [20:16:08] <jelly> if it does mtime and size it already does stat() so
2059 [20:16:27] <SerajewelKS> yeah i think it's a one-line patch to fix it
2060 [20:16:39] <jelly> I did not check how it deals with acls and xattrs yet
2061 [20:16:41] <SerajewelKS> interestingly i think it also checks the inode number
2062 [20:17:17] <SerajewelKS> replaced-url
2063 [20:17:41] <jelly> and I did not check how it deals with windows and ntfs, either, but at least it can't be worse than rsync
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2065 [20:18:01] <SerajewelKS> i'm using it on ntfs and it's pretty much fine except that it can't read files that are open
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2067 [20:18:26] <SerajewelKS> the windows VSS solves this; there's an open feature request to have restic use VSS on windows but it requires COM stuff IIRC
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2070 [20:19:14] * jelly lols at obligatory bug report question: > Did restic help you or made you happy in any way?
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2072 [20:20:41] <jelly> SerajewelKS: to be completely happy I'd need to make it backup MS SQL, Exchange and Oracle DB, then I could throw out $25k/yr of backup licences :>
2073 [20:20:54] <SerajewelKS> with VSS it probably could
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2075 [20:21:07] <SerajewelKS> here's the function that needs to be patched to check mode/ownership replaced-url
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2077 [20:21:50] <jelly> oracle is on linux, and to make backups one needs to write a .so lib implementing a specific API
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2080 [20:22:02] <SerajewelKS> can oracle recover from a crash?
2081 [20:22:10] <jelly> absolutely.
2082 [20:22:19] <SerajewelKS> then you can use LVM snapshots and back up the datadir
2083 [20:22:20] <greycat> insert coin to continue?
2084 [20:22:32] <SerajewelKS> assuming the datadir does not span volumes
2085 [20:22:43] <SerajewelKS> this is what VSS on windows will do as well
2086 [20:22:43] <jelly> SerajewelKS: that does not give me point in time recovery ability
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2088 [20:22:59] <SerajewelKS> do you mean streaming backups?
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2090 [20:23:25] <SerajewelKS> like pgsql WAL shipping?
2091 [20:23:26] <jelly> I mean "I want to restore db and replay tx logs to exactly this point"
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2094 [20:23:51] <SerajewelKS> guess it depends if tx logs are part of the backup
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2096 [20:24:08] <jelly> they are if you do it with their api.
2097 [20:24:17] <SerajewelKS> oracle can't write tx logs to disk?
2098 [20:24:37] <jelly> it does, but I don't want to keep them on disk forever
2099 [20:25:19] <SerajewelKS> it sounds like you could probably get something to work using that mechanism
2100 [20:25:41] <jelly> yes, but if you implement the right api, any oracle dba knows how to restore your db or pieces of it.
2101 [20:25:52] <SerajewelKS> i see
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2103 [20:26:47] <SerajewelKS> i just do hourly backups of systems that i care that much about
2104 [20:26:48] <jelly> to get the sdk tho you need to be an Oracle Gold Partner
2105 [20:27:01] <jelly> which in itself means $$$
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2108 [20:27:16] <SerajewelKS> i keep 48 hours of hourly backups and then 8 weeks of daily
2109 [20:27:27] <SerajewelKS> then i think 24 monthly
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2112 [20:28:55] <jelly> I struggle with 12 monthly and 30 or 60 daily and a rather expensive commercial product that's actually able to do that with a file-based backup
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2117 [20:30:19] <jelly> if I could replace it with 40TB storage for restic and maybe 200TB of backblaze, or even keep using tape libraries, I'd do it in a jiffy
2118 [20:31:03] <jelly> tapes are fast these days, it's just they're, well, sequential :-)
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2120 [20:32:13] * jelly does a select count(*) from backups
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2126 [20:34:31] <live1> Hello!
2127 [20:34:46] <live1> "/msg dpkg guidelines" does not do anything
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2132 [20:37:41] <jelly> live1: your irc client might be showing private messages (PMs) from the bot in a different tab/window
2133 [20:38:14] <jelly> you seem to be running weechat. I have no idea how it shows those.
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2140 [20:38:56] <jelly> does it have "windows" like irssi? Try /w 2 or /w 3
2141 [20:39:00] <dwarfmut> guys... whats better thinkpad to use?
2142 [20:39:02] <dwarfmut> T60?
2143 [20:39:12] <SerajewelKS> !best
2144 [20:39:12] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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2146 [20:39:33] <jelly> dwarfmut: if you ask in ##ibmthinkpad you'll get at least half a dozen different responses, all valid
2147 [20:39:34] <live1> Hey. Thanks. No, "/w 2" or "/w 3" does not work.
2148 [20:39:48] <dwarfmut> jelly: thanks
2149 [20:40:23] <jelly> the best thinkpad for me right now is a thinkpad usb keyboard (with trackpoint) connected to a desktop workstation
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2152 [20:40:37] <jelly> SK-8855
2153 [20:40:39] <dwarfmut> dpkg: to use linux, i working with devops
2154 [20:40:39] <dpkg> dwarfmut: I wish you would RTFM.
2155 [20:40:51] <jelly> dpkg: what are you
2156 [20:40:51] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
2157 [20:41:00] <dwarfmut> dpkg: i want a great and simple notebook to use linux
2158 [20:41:00] <dpkg> dwarfmut: I give up, what is it?
2159 [20:41:12] <jelly> she is not very smart, dwarfmut
2160 [20:41:18] <jelly> for a piece of software
2161 [20:41:24] <live1> ha ha
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2163 [20:42:26] <jelly> dwarfmut: to be at least tangentially ontopic, X220 and T420s seem to work well with Debian.
2164 [20:42:54] <live1> dpkg: what is infobot
2165 [20:42:55] <dpkg> Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See replaced-url
2166 [20:43:03] <dwarfmut> jelly: i like x220, its possible use libreboot?
2167 [20:43:25] <jelly> ask in ##ibmthinkpad, I think it does coreboot but not libreboot
2168 [20:43:41] <dwarfmut> jelly: thanks
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2171 [20:43:59] <jelly> keep this channel for Debian tech issues
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2173 [20:44:20] <catbadger> hi!
2174 [20:44:37] <catbadger> I'm trying to set up some old stuff on docker using wheezy as the base image
2175 [20:44:41] <live1> jelly: Are you at this channel often? Is this channel active?
2176 [20:44:51] <catbadger> keep seeing Failed to fetch replaced-url
2177 [20:44:52] <live1> on this**
2178 [20:45:26] <catbadger> I'm usually an ubuntu guy... where does the apt sources.list file live in debian? I expect it to be at /etc/apt/sources.list...
2179 [20:45:44] <greycat> yes, that place.
2180 [20:45:55] <catbadger> ok... why the error then?
2181 [20:46:05] <greycat> there is also an /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ where fragments may be stored
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2183 [20:46:42] <greycat> if you've been adding third party repositories, some of them may be stored there
2184 [20:47:12] <SerajewelKS> z-backports isn't a distro
2185 [20:47:36] <greycat> grep -r z-backports /etc/apt
2186 [20:47:45] <catbadger> kk
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2192 [20:49:56] <neilthereildeil> does the xen package in debian come with efi-ready xen?
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2194 [20:50:17] <jelly> live1: I do not loot at channel statistics any more, in fear of having to acknowledge an addiction.
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2196 [20:50:23] <catbadger> I think that did it. thank you #greycat
2197 [20:50:27] <catbadger> I think that did it. thank you @greycat
2198 [20:50:36] <jelly> #greycat is a channel now!
2199 [20:50:43] <greycat> and an operator!
2200 [20:50:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
2201 [20:50:55] <jelly> that much is true
2202 [20:51:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o greycat
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2205 [20:52:42] <live1> jelly: Hmm... addiction. Sounds like the thing I'm searching for.
2206 [20:52:53] <live1> jelly: You have experience with Linux/Debian?
2207 [20:53:02] <live1> I just started... five years ago...
2208 [20:53:11] <catbadger> hmmm.... so what's the proper backport sources.list line for wheezy?
2209 [20:53:31] <SerajewelKS> wheezy-backports
2210 [20:53:54] <greycat> I bet the factoid is out of date.
2211 [20:53:57] <jelly> live1: I have some experience yes, 24 years or so.
2212 [20:54:05] <jelly> !wheezy sources.list
2213 [20:54:05] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
2214 [20:54:18] <catbadger> @SerajewelKS tyvm
2215 [20:54:27] <jelly> it's technically correct!
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2217 [20:54:37] <greycat> unfortunately !wheezy-backports still has replaced-url
2218 [20:54:41] <jhutchins_wk> Anybody know off-hand what the effect of an empty AllowGroups statement in sshd.conf is?
2219 [20:54:59] <catbadger> that's got it going... thanks
2220 [20:55:15] <live1> jelly: Very good. You have much experience.
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2222 [20:55:18] <greycat> ... so he didn't actually even *want* backports?
2223 [20:55:22] <jelly> you may possibly need this as well, catbadger:
2224 [20:55:26] <jelly> !valid-until
2225 [20:55:26] <dpkg> i heard valid-until is apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false and/or see replaced-url
2226 [20:55:26] <mutante> if i have both php7.0-* and php7.2-* packages installed, how do know which one is actually used? /etc/default or something?
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2228 [20:55:44] <SerajewelKS> mutante: depends on the thing that's using PHP
2229 [20:55:47] <SerajewelKS> mutante: apache? php-fpm?
2230 [20:55:48] <live1> !test
2231 [20:55:48] <dpkg> Test failed.
2232 [20:56:02] <catbadger> i am running -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false
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2238 [20:56:47] <jelly> catbadger: did apt whine about repo signature being out of date? That -o works around that particular issue
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2240 [20:56:55] <catbadger> yes
2241 [20:56:58] <catbadger> it did
2242 [20:56:59] <live1> jelly: Do you do programming? If so, what kind of language?
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2245 [20:57:27] <mutante> SerajewelKS: apache. mod php7.0. is loaded i see right now
2246 [20:57:28] <catbadger> earlier in my horrid process.. lol i need wheezy top build mod_perl1 on apache1 to get a dev environment for this dumpsterfire
2247 [20:57:42] <catbadger> @live1... language is irrelevant after a few years.
2248 [20:57:45] <mutante> SerajewelKS: and then i just installed the 7.2 packages in addition
2249 [20:57:53] <jelly> live1: this isn't #jelly, we can chat about things that are not Debian tech issues in #debian-offtopic if you join that channel as well
2250 [20:57:55] <SerajewelKS> mutante: if mod-php7.0 then 7.0
2251 [20:58:11] <SerajewelKS> mutante: use a2enmod/a2dismod to enable the module you want
2252 [20:58:20] <mutante> SerajewelKS: makes sense. ACK. thanks
2253 [20:58:34] <mutante> (it's puppetized but i will figure it out)
2254 [20:58:38] <live1> :catbadger Thanks for the info!
2255 [20:58:43] <live1> :jelly: Okay, thanks!
2256 [20:58:49] <SerajewelKS> mutante: you can also use the standard '<?php phpinfo();' to check
2257 [20:59:36] <mutante> SerajewelKS: right!:) tx
2258 [20:59:37] <jelly> catbadger: there is no apache1 in wheezy, you'll want uh... lenny if memory serves
2259 [20:59:46] <catbadger> ...from source
2260 [20:59:55] <jelly> my consdolences
2261 [20:59:58] <catbadger> haha right
2262 [21:00:11] <SerajewelKS> we're still on 2.2 and php 5.3.
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2264 [21:00:40] <jelly> SerajewelKS: there are things in my closet that I won't talk about in public
2265 [21:00:42] <Icanus> Hi!
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2268 [21:01:16] <live1> :Icanus Hello!
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2270 [21:01:43] <jelly> hi libapache2-mod-php5 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze29 amd64 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apache 2 module)
2271 [21:01:48] <live1> :jelly For weechat it's ALT + Left and ALT + Right
2272 [21:01:55] <jelly> !win live1
2273 [21:01:55] <dpkg> Congratulations, live1! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
2274 [21:02:00] <Icanus> :live1 Hi!
2275 [21:02:36] <Icanus> dpkg: Wow... What does he get for that ? :D
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2277 [21:02:37] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Icanus
2278 [21:02:38] <live1> *amazed*
2279 [21:02:40] <jelly> SerajewelKS: note the "h"eld state on an otherwise wheezy install.
2280 [21:02:48] <catbadger> @jelly see #debian-offtopic
2281 [21:02:53] <Icanus> dpkg: Sorry, nothing important
2282 [21:02:53] <dpkg> Icanus: are you using Windows?
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2284 [21:03:04] <Icanus> dpkg: Nope... Debian stretch
2285 [21:03:04] <dpkg> Icanus: are you using Windows?
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2289 [21:03:34] <Icanus> dpkg It's been quite a few years since I ditched using windows
2290 [21:03:35] <dpkg> Icanus: wish i knew
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2295 [21:04:05] <jmcnaught> Icanus: you just passed the turing test.
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2297 [21:04:19] <Icanus> jmcnaught: Haha, thanks1
2298 [21:04:40] <jelly> dpkg, what are you
2299 [21:04:40] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
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2301 [21:04:42] <Icanus> Do I get extra brownie points for using debian only?
2302 [21:05:15] <Icanus> dpkg: infobot --help ?
2303 [21:05:16] <dpkg> Icanus: have you tried replaced-url
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2305 [21:05:44] <Icanus> dpkg: The Linux Documentatoin Project ... it's been my source since it started!
2306 [21:05:45] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Icanus
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2310 [21:05:56] <Icanus> dpkg: Thanks, hahaha
2311 [21:05:56] <dpkg> Icanus: sure thing
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2313 [21:06:23] <Icanus> jelly: just a "normal2 person, I hope
2314 [21:06:44] <Icanus> jelly: sorry, didn't see your message before ;)
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2317 [21:07:33] <catbadger> @jelly my docker image built thank you
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2319 [21:08:59] <live1> test
2320 [21:09:08] <SerajewelKS> is it sunday in here or something
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2333 [21:13:45] <jelly> Icanus: correct, I am a fellow human person just like yourself. *beep* *boop*
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2335 [21:16:34] <beardy> !permasunday
2336 [21:16:35] <dpkg> All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! replaced-url
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2340 [21:17:51] <jelly> SerajewelKS: I suspect the US people do not have a banking or any kind of holiday tomorrow, but the more civilized nations might
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2342 [21:18:33] <beardy> Everyone but US has it.
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2350 [21:21:55] <Icanus> jelly: Yuo, bank holiday tomorrow, and thursday... friday no school... guess the country :D
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2352 [21:22:06] <Icanus> Sorry, I had a bit of a long call going on... free now though
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2356 [21:26:53] <mutante> SerajewelKS: eh.. one more follow-up question. what happens if both php7.0 and php7.2 are loaded in mods-enabled
2357 [21:27:18] <mutante> SerajewelKS: i could of course manually remove one.. but i also want to do all of it with puppet and not manual
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2359 [21:28:13] <jelly> mutante: I _think_ apache won't like the config
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2361 [21:28:49] <mutante> jelly: so far it still works and i'm kind of surprised. i will ask #httpd actually. thanks
2362 [21:29:01] <jelly> if you do things with a2enmod and other a2* tools theoretically those should not let you enable both
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2364 [21:29:58] <jelly> mutante: and you successfully restarted apache after changing the config?
2365 [21:30:00] <mutante> i actually have puppet modules and in there is an exec for a2enmod.. hmm.. looking deeper
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2367 [21:31:08] <neilthereildeil> i just installed the xen packages on debian, but am not able to boot xen
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2370 [21:31:24] <neilthereildeil> I see "Loading initial ramdisk ..."
2371 [21:31:28] <neilthereildeil> and then the system hangs
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2373 [21:32:16] <neilthereildeil> i have UEFI boot enabled rather than BIOS boot
2374 [21:32:28] <neilthereildeil> but linux boots fine via grub
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2376 [21:33:06] <neilthereildeil> what am i doing wrong?
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2421 [22:00:07] <jhutchins_wk> !xen
2422 [22:00:07] <dpkg> Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor / hypervisor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see replaced-url
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2430 [22:03:28] <SerajewelKS> mutante: as far as what happens, i don't know. but i would not consider such a config sane.
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2438 [22:06:56] <SerajewelKS> jelly: just a pointer if you haven't seen it yet, restic also has an --stdin switch for the backup mode, which backs up a single file streamed to stdin. we use it for mysql. mysqldump | gzip --rsyncable | restic backup --stdin
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2455 [22:17:35] <mutante> SerajewelKS: it turns out it uses the first one, i checked and 7.0 was in phpinfo until i unloaded it. guess it is alphabetically or number sort
2456 [22:18:06] <SerajewelKS> mutante: my guess would be whichever was loaded first
2457 [22:18:16] <SerajewelKS> and it likely processes the files in mods-enabled in lexicographical order
2458 [22:18:22] <mutante> SerajewelKS: yea.. i meant how it picks the first one
2459 [22:18:29] <mutante> right. that :)
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2462 [22:19:06] <mutante> coul'lexicographical' is the right word :)
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2478 [22:29:39] <vlt> neilthereildeil: You could try to load xen.efi instead of xen.gz in GRUB manually.
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2480 [22:30:14] <hk238> hello I'm still trying to fix this USB N10 Nano wifi adapter
2481 [22:30:37] <hk238> And as I'm trying to install this fix I get this error 'please install the linux-headers-4.9.0-8-amd64 package'
2482 [22:30:50] <hk238> but that package can't be found, and there's some other package about those headers
2483 [22:30:54] <hk238> how could I resolve this error?
2484 [22:31:00] <hk238> the error message continues with
2485 [22:31:13] <hk238> 'or use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located'
2486 [22:31:25] <hk238> so I think I should do that and the path is different because it's a different package
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2489 [22:33:11] <hk238> the driver for linux64 on asus website also results to the same error
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2494 [22:35:57] <hk238> hmm well since this is workign poorly I could try installing another distro on the 2nd computer, debian is working just fine on the 1st one though
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2496 [22:36:25] <SerajewelKS> hk238: install linux-headers-amd64
2497 [22:37:09] <hk238> Thanks SerajewelKS I already have that package though (and also I didn't mean to say that above thing bitterly or anything, I just realized it might look like that)
2498 [22:38:10] <SerajewelKS> hk238: that package is in the repos though. pastebin 'apt-cache policy linux-headers-4.9.0-8-amd64'
2499 [22:38:22] <SerajewelKS> if apt can't find it, something else is borked
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2503 [22:40:21] <hk238> oh hmm
2504 [22:41:15] <hk238> It just says couldn't find package
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2506 [22:41:52] <puhdabear> Hello
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2510 [22:42:24] <hk238> Well, it's definitely plausible that I have messed this otherwise fresh install in the course of trying various fixes
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2515 [22:43:16] <jhutchins_wk> I believe it's linux-kernel-headers-...
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2517 [22:44:58] <SerajewelKS> ah right, the linux package naming scheme changed some time ago
2518 [22:44:58] <hk238> okay sorry it was that my sources.conf file was erroneous, I think that's because it was an offline installation
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2520 [22:45:11] <SerajewelKS> wait no
2521 [22:45:14] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: it is linux-headers
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2524 [22:45:28] <hk238> Sorry that was my bad definitely
2525 [22:45:48] <SerajewelKS> i think it used to be kernel-image-* and kernel-headers-*
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2527 [22:45:55] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
2528 [22:45:55] <SerajewelKS> and it changed to linux-image-* and linux-headers-*
2529 [22:45:55] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2531 [22:46:20] <jhutchins_wk> v linux-kernel-headers
2532 [22:46:31] <greycat> And yes, installing without a network leaves you without a valid sources.list file, and the only way to get one is to find it on the Internet (e.g. above), or to copy it from another Debian system.
2533 [22:46:40] <jhutchins_wk> That's on stretch. No "linux-headers" package found.
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2536 [22:47:02] <hk238> right I didn't realize that, I just copied a line with the contrib and non-free, but didn't realize the rest of the file wasn't correct
2537 [22:47:13] <greycat> it's generally linux-headers-$(uname -r)
2538 [22:47:22] <hk238> so I just got the sources.conf from debian website and it found the package. That was tricky because some of the stuff installed normalyl so I didn't realize anything was wrong about that
2539 [22:48:02] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, nope, I'm wrong again. linux-headers-amd64
2540 [22:48:30] <greycat> wooledg:~$ apt-cache show linux-headers-$(uname -r)
2541 [22:48:30] <greycat> Package: linux-headers-4.19.0-4-amd64
2542 [22:48:39] <hk238> okay the first driver from asus website failed to compile for some reason, but I'll try this github patch also since it also had the same linux-headers error last time
2543 [22:48:42] <greycat> (that's on buster, obviously)
2544 [22:48:52] <jhutchins_wk> ,v linux-headers-amd64
2545 [22:48:53] <judd> Package: linux-headers-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u4; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 4.19+104~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+104; sid: 4.19+104
2546 [22:49:17] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: sounds utterly and totally useless unless you HAPPEN to know that the system is running the matching "most recent" kernel
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2549 [22:49:40] <greycat> and they keep changing the fucking kernel ABI all the time
2550 [22:49:53] <greycat> we're up to *9* now in stretch! what the hell.
2551 [22:50:25] <SerajewelKS> 20:48 < jhutchins_wk> Ah, nope, I'm wrong again. linux-headers-amd64 <-- exactly what i said at 20:36 :)
2552 [22:50:35] <hk238> Thanks for help, SerajewelKS. The error went away, remains to be seen if the patch works
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2554 [22:51:18] <hk238> nope now it's completely broken
2555 [22:51:27] <SerajewelKS> define "broken"
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2557 [22:52:24] <hk238> I have Asus USB N10 Nano wifi adapter, which has problems related to drivers. So I tried installing the realtek firmware package, but it didn't resolve the issue. The adapter would start, but then lose connection kind of randomly
2558 [22:52:40] <hk238> So I installed this patch from github and now it doesn't connect at all
2559 [22:53:47] <hk238> The patch itself says it's deprecated replaced-url
2560 [22:53:56] <hk238> so I thought it's worth trying given the other attempts failed
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2573 [23:02:34] <LinuxNewbie> hi all
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2575 [23:03:18] <LinuxNewbie> anyone here? I need to ask something :)
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2581 [23:04:21] <EdePopede> !ask
2582 [23:04:21] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2586 [23:07:00] <humbot> ah hk238 i tried to say i had one which worked, just before falling asleep last night, but mine is: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN Adapter
2587 [23:07:56] <humbot> it uses the 8192cu module though,
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2590 [23:09:02] <hk238> It seems there's a lot of devices with similar problems. Maybe the realtek firmware package works for some of them?
2591 [23:09:46] <humbot> yup i read a lot of contradictory questions and stuff about it at the time
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2600 [23:12:54] <hk238> I'll try and install archlinux on that 2nd computer, it's kind of secondary, and it looks I'm probably going to have to reinstall something anyway. Maybe that's masochistic though. :D
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2608 [23:18:01] <humbot> :D
2609 [23:18:34] <humbot> never installed arch but i've got a lot of help out of their wiki
2610 [23:20:22] <Habbie> the arch wiki is so good
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2645 [23:39:34] <heelrayner> has anyone been able to load deepin de for debian yet? I know it works with ubuntu, but ubuntu isn't debian lol
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2647 [23:39:58] <petn-randall> !crosspost
2648 [23:39:58] <dpkg> Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
2649 [23:40:00] <petn-randall> heelrayner: ^
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2652 [23:41:02] <nezZario> I don't know wtf is going on. I did some hard reboots, due to a keyboard issue, and now replaced-url
2653 [23:41:02] <nezZario> pavu/control,-000000033
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2658 [23:42:31] <nezZario> Gah, sorry, ... Literally had a cat jump on my keyboard. Anyway, I was saying when I open pavucontrol, it just says .. "establishing connection to pulseaudio..." and it's so weird, it'll even blink the 'normal' UI for like 50ms .. then goes back to "Establishing connection to pulseaudio" .. blink the ui for like 50ms ... rinse, repeat. I have no idea what to do here. I've tried reinstalling pulseaudio and a few other
2659 [23:42:31] <nezZario> things but to no avail.
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2661 [23:43:13] <anon> hi
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2667 [23:44:41] <Guest24399> yes
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2671 [23:46:36] <nezZario> audio works but it's choppy as all get out
2672 [23:47:04] <Guest24399> yes
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2677 [23:50:55] <nezZario> I think i fixed it. I did sudo apt-get reinstall firmware-intel-sound libasound2:amd64 libasound2:i386 libasound2-data libasound2-plugins:amd64 libasound2-plugins:i386 libsoundtouch1:amd64 pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils
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