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4 [00:02:01] <Kryczek> Hi! I can't seem to get pattern matching in /etc/network/interfaces to work; I see "Ensure allow-* also allows pattern matching" was added in ifupdown 0.8.21 but I do have a newer one (0.8.35) and I am completely stuck; would anybody be so kind to please help? :)
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13 [00:11:44] <petn-randall> Kryczek: It would help if you explain what you tried, and what "didn't work".
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25 [00:20:28] <Kryczek> petn-randall: Hi! Thank you for the reply :) I tried doing just like /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/pattern-matching and the "PATTERN MATCHING INTERFACES" section of `man interfaces`, for example "allow-hotplug /en*/=foo" (or with "auto" instead of "allow-hotplug") followed by "iface foo inet dhcp" and even "iface foo inet6 auto" but apart from "lo" (which is not pattern-matched) no interface ever gets
26 [00:20:34] <Kryczek> brought up
27 [00:21:33] <NappyPappy> nice , I started using linux redhat in 1997 then in 1999 I installed Debian slink. Now I am using again. It is slower than slackware but still good
28 [00:21:57] <Kryczek> I also tried matching wireless interfaces with "allow-hotplug /wl*/=bar" or "auto wireless/*/1=baz" but still no luck
29 [00:22:08] <NappyPappy> I tried installing arch linux and a slackware-current before debian stretch but I had to abort those missions
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33 [00:23:52] <Kryczek> I added a logging script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ and I see that it gets called only for IFACE=lo and IFACE=--all
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36 [00:25:10] <Kryczek> Is it possible that systemd is hijacking /etc/network/interfaces away from ifupdown, and supporting only basic syntax?
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40 [00:27:20] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Try showing the exact things you tested instead of examples, it makes it easier to debug. If you don't have a logical interfaces section wifor "foo" then nothing will happen.
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44 [00:27:54] <Kryczek> petn-randall: I called it literally "foo" :)
45 [00:28:19] <Kryczek> I tried various names in case their was some kind of name clash or recursive pattern matching
46 [00:29:18] <Kryczek> If I try to manually `ifup enp0s3` or whatever interface, ifup always says "unknown interface", but then again I don't know if ifup'ing a specific interface is supposed to work when /etc/network/interfaces only contains patterns (besides lo)
47 [00:29:38] <Kryczek> if I add a section for enp0s3 then it works, of course, but I lose the whole point of pattern matching
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52 [00:32:42] <petn-randall> Kryczek: systemd neither [4~ knows nor does anything with your network configuration.
53 [00:32:55] <petn-randall> Kryczek: you're still describing the file, instead of showing it.
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63 [00:35:54] <imzadi> does squeeze precede stretch?
64 [00:36:02] <Kryczek> petn-randall: replaced-url
65 [00:36:36] <petn-randall> imzadi: By several releases, yes.
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67 [00:37:07] <Kryczek> imzadi: Debian 6 (squeeze), 7 (wheezy), 8 (jessie), 9 (stretch), 10 (buster)
68 [00:37:26] <imzadi> is it not practible to install an fdroid server on squeeze?
69 [00:37:44] <petn-randall> imzadi: Try asking a concrete question.
70 [00:38:48] <imzadi> well the instructions talk of having stretch or higher
71 [00:39:02] <imzadi> and then there is mention of older using wheezy
72 [00:39:12] <imzadi> but wheezy is debian 4 isnt it
73 [00:39:13] <petn-randall> !squeeze
74 [00:39:13] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06: replaced-url
75 [00:39:36] <imzadi> !wheezy
76 [00:39:36] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: replaced-url
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79 [00:40:19] <petn-randall> imzadi: Given that squeeze is not supported anymore, why not use a supported Debian release?
80 [00:40:33] <imzadi> yeah petn-randall it looks like it isnt going to work on this system
81 [00:40:35] <petn-randall> Kryczek: So what happens if you run `ifup -v wlan0`?
82 [00:40:45] <petn-randall> imzadi: Define "doesn't work".
83 [00:40:55] <imzadi> it isnt really that old
84 [00:41:02] <petn-randall> Eh?
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87 [00:41:21] <NappyPappy> Kryczek: systemd highjacked my wifi interface while I was trying to install arch linux so I grabbed debian stretch fully knowing it had systemd but knowing debian developers are not stupid like arch. All because slackware-current freezes on me after install.
88 [00:41:27] <imzadi> doesnt work , when something runs and fails to do anything it was written to do
89 [00:41:39] <imzadi> why do you ask for precise defines
90 [00:41:50] <petn-randall> NappyPappy: Do you have a support question
91 [00:42:03] <petn-randall> imzadi: *What* doesn't work when installing a supported OS?
92 [00:42:33] <imzadi> knoppix is apparently written by some german hacker using the name Klause Knopper
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94 [00:43:05] <Kryczek> petn-randall: it says "unknown interface" (and the verbosity does not add anything to it)
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97 [00:43:52] <Kryczek> petn-randall: however, interestingly if I run `ifup --all` then the wifi interface gets activated, I guess because it is the only kind with "auto" (wired has "allow-hotplug")
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99 [00:44:36] <Kryczek> petn-randall: then again that same interface was not activated at boot, in other words the first `ifup --all` was ran too early
100 [00:44:49] <imzadi> it looks like it is hacked together and goes against intended constraints
101 [00:45:21] <imzadi> the session is about installing fdroid server
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103 [00:45:49] <imzadi> the site has a howto written for stretch and above and it basicly says use apt-get
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105 [00:46:47] <imzadi> which is the quickest download for installing stretch or higher, keep in mind the netinstallers dont seem to have any drivers but ethernet
106 [00:47:07] <petn-randall> imzadi: How is this related to Debian though?
107 [00:47:08] <imzadi> because of that the netinstallers are not an option
108 [00:47:08] <petn-randall> !knoppix
109 [00:47:09] <dpkg> Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. replaced-url
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112 [00:47:44] <imzadi> petn-randall: read the question about debian
113 [00:48:05] <imzadi> what is the quickest download for installing debian which supports fdroid server
114 [00:48:19] <petn-randall> imzadi: If you can't install stretch because of the drivers, just say so.
115 [00:48:24] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
116 [00:48:24] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
117 [00:48:26] <imzadi> do you sell cd sets petn-randall
118 [00:48:31] <petn-randall> imzadi: no
119 [00:49:07] <imzadi> osdisk has a copy past description of a 14 dvd set
120 [00:49:10] <petn-randall> imzadi: You can use the above factoid to install stretch, even if you require non-free firmware to during installation.
121 [00:49:30] <petn-randall> imzadi: How is that related to your issue though?
122 [00:50:25] <imzadi> it isnt so much firmware this time petn-randall does the installer have an rndis module
123 [00:50:28] <petn-randall> imzadi: You don't need all disks for installation, if that's your question.
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127 [00:51:16] <imzadi> all discs can be used for a build system that doesnt snake in garbage from apt repos
128 [00:51:31] <petn-randall> imzadi: You're making less and less sense. Are you a bot?
129 [00:51:34] <imzadi> this is useful for installing any software
130 [00:51:39] <petn-randall> Markov chains?
131 [00:51:42] <imzadi> in this case fdroid server
132 [00:52:07] <imzadi> the howto shows it needing three or four packages but these packages may have any number of deps
133 [00:52:21] <petn-randall> imzadi: Why not use the apt repos then?
134 [00:52:25] <Kryczek> petn-randall: maybe I need to configure udev to launch ifup, somehow? :)
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136 [00:52:35] <imzadi> if I have all discs it can all be done without snaking in sourcless packages from apt
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139 [00:52:53] <petn-randall> Kryczek: You shouldn't, allow-hotplug should only work on hotplug, though.
140 [00:53:03] <Nozzzle> when is debian 10 coming?
141 [00:53:05] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Does a wifi interfaces called wlan0 exist on your system?
142 [00:53:06] <imzadi> dependency injection of garbage
143 [00:53:10] <petn-randall> Nozzzle: when it's ready.
144 [00:53:20] <petn-randall> imzadi: Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.
145 [00:53:25] <Nozzzle> any date set?
146 [00:53:34] <petn-randall> Nozzzle: when it's ready.
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148 [00:53:48] <imzadi> listen closely and ask for clarification if needed, that is if you want to be useful
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150 [00:53:53] <petn-randall> !wwbr
151 [00:53:53] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" started the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. replaced-url
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156 [00:54:31] <petn-randall> imzadi: I'd rather not.
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158 [00:54:48] <Nozzzle> ah, thank you
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161 [00:56:10] <Kryczek> petn-randall: it actually has a super long name like wlx0123456789af but I figured sticking to wlan0 was better for clarity :) it works if I specify that name, but the interface is not brought up before I do that or `ifup --all`
162 [00:56:40] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Ah, so what happens if you run `ifup -v wlx0123456789af`?
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164 [00:57:15] <Kryczek> petn-randall: 23:43 < Kryczek> petn-randall: it says "unknown interface" (and the verbosity does not add anything to it)
165 [00:57:33] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Ah, so that was the correct interface name, not "wlan0".
166 [00:57:37] <Kryczek> petn-randall: I just s/wlx0123456789af/wlan0 in our conversation :)
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169 [00:58:21] <petn-randall> Kryczek: Ah, that was why I was confused. Maybe it only pattern matches digits. ifup predates the change to unique interface names.
170 [00:58:23] <Kryczek> petn-randall: what do you mean by "allow-hotplug should only work on hotplug, though" ?
171 [00:58:42] <Kryczek> ah, good point
172 [00:58:45] <petn-randall> Gotta head to bed, have a good one!
173 [00:58:52] <puhdabear> Hello
174 [00:59:03] <puhdabear> Hello
175 [00:59:07] <Kryczek> petn-randall: actually no I already tried with tap[0..9] interfaces, without luck heh
176 [00:59:18] <Kryczek> petn-randall: good night
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178 [00:59:36] <mawk> can you state your tap problem again Kryczek ?
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180 [01:00:22] <Kryczek> mawk: Hi! Sure :) Just a sec...
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182 [01:00:37] <mawk> hi sorry
183 [01:01:17] <Kryczek> mawk: I am trying to configure interfaces without knowing their full name in advance, by using the pattern matching feature in /etc/network/interfaces like so: replaced-url
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186 [01:02:02] <mawk> ah right
187 [01:02:07] <Kryczek> with the new naming scheme (as far as I know) wired interfaces are supposed to get names starting with "en" and wifi interfaces start with "wl" (and wwan interfaces with "ww")
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192 [01:04:06] <Kryczek> I think my problem might be that `ifup --all` is executed only once and very early during boot (by systemd's ifupdown-pre.service helper I think?) but never after that
193 [01:04:17] <mawk> yes
194 [01:04:23] <Kryczek> well, not necessarily with "--all", I mean any kind of ifup does not happen later
195 [01:04:26] <mawk> but normally allow-hotplug interfaces are brought up when detected by udev
196 [01:04:31] <mawk> that's the purpose of the keyword
197 [01:04:39] <Kryczek> that's what I thought :)
198 [01:04:47] <Kryczek> maybe I am missing a package or something?
199 [01:05:21] <Kryczek> how can I debug that udev correctly detected them and/or tried to launch ifup ?
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203 [01:06:31] <mawk> you can drop in a script at /usr/local/bin/ifup that will log every ifup call
204 [01:06:37] <mawk> and see how udev is calling it
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206 [01:07:37] <mawk> #!/bin/bash <newline> { printf '%s' "$@"; printf '\n'; } >> /tmp/ifup.log; exec /sbin/ifup "$@"
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208 [01:07:38] <mawk> something like this
209 [01:08:16] <Kryczek> mawk: already did ;) I see it called twice at boot, once for --all and once for lo
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211 [01:08:57] <mawk> nice
212 [01:09:02] <mawk> well so the fault is on udev for now
213 [01:09:10] <Kryczek> I think so indeed
214 [01:09:33] <mawk> /etc/network/interfaces is clunky and a debianism and I would totally see systemd not making much efforts in making it work
215 [01:09:40] <mawk> especially since they seem eager to cannibalize udev related stuff
216 [01:09:47] <mawk> and have their own network thing
217 [01:09:49] <Kryczek> if I run `ifup --allow hotplug --all` then my /etc/network/interfaces as you can see on the pastebin, fully works
218 [01:09:56] <mawk> so you could be missing some hooks
219 [01:09:57] <mawk> yeah
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222 [01:12:28] <mawk> so, udev hooks
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225 [01:12:40] <mawk> let's see how they work
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228 [01:14:16] <Kryczek> :)
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232 [01:16:59] <mawk> so first we should raise the udev log level to see more clearly what happens
233 [01:17:13] <mawk> I don't know which version of debian you have, I assume you have systemd
234 [01:17:20] <mawk> and so you have systemd-udevd
235 [01:17:44] <mawk> it has a configuration file at /etc/udev/udev.conf in which you can raise a log level
236 [01:17:53] <mawk> you add udev_log=debug
237 [01:18:29] <Kryczek> thanks, trying now...
238 [01:18:35] <mawk> next you do systemctl reload-or-restart systemd-udevd.service
239 [01:18:39] <mawk> to acknowledge the change
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241 [01:19:18] <Kryczek> ii systemd 241-3 i386 system and service manager
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243 [01:19:25] <mawk> yeah it's installed
244 [01:19:30] <Kryczek> ii udev 241-3 i386 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon
245 [01:19:35] <Kryczek> does it mean I have the wrong udev?
246 [01:19:54] <mawk> no you've got even a newer system that me
247 [01:20:00] <mawk> I'm at systemd 238
248 [01:20:02] <Kryczek> hehe thanks :)
249 [01:20:09] <mawk> (linear version numbers are dumb, you have no stable version ever that way)
250 [01:20:49] <Kryczek> be careful that pattern matching was added to ifupdown fairly recently, check if you have a PATTERN MATCHING INTERFACES section in `man interfaces` for example if you want to make sure
251 [01:20:57] <mawk> yeah I checked
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253 [01:21:09] <mawk> I'm on debian testing, just haven't upgraded since a long time
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255 [01:21:18] <mawk> because I'm lazy
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259 [01:26:11] <mawk> do you have any result ?
260 [01:26:23] <mawk> should be in journalctl -u systemd-udevd
261 [01:26:38] <mawk> just open this in a tab: journalctl -u systemd-udevd --follow
262 [01:26:41] <mawk> then plug your adapter
263 [01:26:56] <Kryczek> not yet, slow computer heh :)
264 [01:27:05] <mawk> yeah
265 [01:27:17] <mawk> we have a saying in french, shoemakers have the worst shoes
266 [01:27:33] <mawk> I'm a software engineer with a lame computer
267 [01:27:38] <Kryczek> so true
268 [01:27:40] <Kryczek> same
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270 [01:28:45] <Kryczek> ok, I'm in
271 [01:29:28] <Kryczek> many many lines saying "Maximum number (10) of children reached"
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274 [01:31:18] <Kryczek> at least one interesting part: "ifupdown-hotplug (err)" about ifquery saying unknown interface enp0s9
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276 [01:31:31] <Kryczek> (which is an existing interface name)
277 [01:31:58] <mawk> hmm
278 [01:32:31] <mawk> hook ifupdown-hotplug with your logging
279 [01:32:33] <mawk> it's in /lib/udev/ifupdown-hotplug
280 [01:32:49] <mawk> it's what is run by udev
281 [01:32:57] <mawk> the rule is located in /lib/udev/rules.d/80-ifupdown.rules it's very simple
282 [01:33:46] <Kryczek> hehe great minds think alike, that's what I alt-tab'ed to come back here :)
283 [01:33:55] <mawk> lol
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285 [01:33:59] <Kryczek> the ifquery error happens for all 3 of the existing interfaces
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288 [01:36:31] <mawk> ok so after the hotplug event the helper script will verify that the interface is allowed for hotplug
289 [01:36:34] <mawk> TARGET_IFACE=$(/sbin/ifquery --allow hotplug -l "$INTERFACE" || true)
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291 [01:36:45] <mawk> then it will invoke ifup, but through systemd: exec systemctl --no-block start $(systemd-escape --template ifup@.service $TARGET_IFACE)
292 [01:37:03] <mawk> you said ifquery is failing
293 [01:37:08] <mawk> so that's the culprit now
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308 [01:44:00] <Kryczek> mawk: maybe it is expected behavior of ifquery without the --allow=hotplug flag?
309 [01:44:26] <mawk> but it has allow hotplug
310 [01:44:35] <Kryczek> ph
311 [01:44:37] <mawk> /sbin/ifquery --allow hotplug -l "$INTERFACE"
312 [01:44:39] <Kryczek> oh*
313 [01:44:42] <Kryczek> good point
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317 [01:49:50] <Kryczek> ah I made a mistake in my logger, sorry
318 [01:49:57] <Kryczek> have to try again...
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321 [01:52:27] <mawk> the thing of interest is $INTERFACE
322 [01:52:32] <mawk> then run manually ifquery
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329 [01:57:33] <Kryczek> hmmm... now the boot process is stuck on "Raise network interfaces", maybe I did something wrong
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331 [01:58:10] <Kryczek> ah it completed, I have good logs now, let's see...
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334 [02:00:05] <Kryczek> all my interfaces are up o_O
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342 [02:04:56] <Kryczek> ah sorry I had changed the "allow-hotplug" of en* interfaces to "auto" as a test
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345 [02:07:51] <JohnDoe2> any idea why this might be failing? replaced-url
346 [02:08:09] <JohnDoe2> wlan0 is DOWN on restart
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350 [02:10:05] <dvs> why is it in a cron job?
351 [02:10:24] <JohnDoe2> where should it be?
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354 [02:10:56] <JohnDoe2> /etc/network/interfaces entry fails to start dhclient for wlan0 so it holds up boot time until it gives up in trying to get a dhcp address
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357 [02:18:56] * JohnDoe2 taps dvs
358 [02:19:58] <dvs> I wait for my interface to come up so it's no big deal to me.
359 [02:20:17] <JohnDoe2> cool
360 [02:20:29] <JohnDoe2> I'm glad it works for you :)
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364 [02:22:35] <JohnDoe2> well that was very helpful
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370 [02:30:29] <jmcnaught> maybe there's something wrong with your /etc/network/interfaces that someone will notice if you put it into a paste
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373 [02:33:05] <JohnDoe2> replaced-url
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375 [02:33:11] <JohnDoe2> I have no eth0
376 [02:33:17] <JohnDoe2> there's also lo but that's not pertinent
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378 [02:35:32] <dvs> What does "ip link" say?
379 [02:35:45] <JohnDoe2> dormant
380 [02:36:00] <JohnDoe2> I see its mac addr but that's it
381 [02:36:22] <JohnDoe2> on boot it's DOWN only, not dormant but since I poked around trying to figure it out...
382 [02:36:50] <JohnDoe2> if I manually run the two commands I put in crontab the interface gets an IP
383 [02:37:57] <karlpinc> JohnDoe2: Usually the problem with crontabs is in $PATH. But you should really try to figure out what the real problem is. (And, let cron email you, at least locally, so that you can debug it.)
384 [02:38:41] <dvs> How about changing "auto" to "allow-hotplug" in /etc/network/interfaces?
385 [02:38:49] <JohnDoe2> oh ok, so full path to executable :D my bad. thanks
386 [02:38:55] <JohnDoe2> dvs I'll reboot and let you know
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388 [02:40:17] <mawk> did you have a chance of seeing the value of $INTERFACE in the udev helper Kryczek ?
389 [02:41:31] <JohnDoe2> dvs well I'll be. That worked!
390 [02:41:50] <dvs> ha!
391 [02:42:38] <JohnDoe2> awesome, thanks a bunch
392 [02:42:54] <dvs> at least it wasn't for nuthin!
393 [02:43:54] <JohnDoe2> heck after googling my brains out for 2 days to get this c201 to boot and have network getting this resolved in 1 hour is freaking amazing :)
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398 [02:46:40] <rafuch0> hello i need to install gcc-5 but i cant find the package in strech or sid or testing
399 [02:47:10] <rafuch0> any idea how can i solve this
400 [02:47:12] <rafuch0> ?
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407 [02:50:44] <mawk> why do you need such an old thing rafuch0 ?
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409 [02:50:53] <mawk> gcc versions are pretty much backwards compatible
410 [02:51:00] <mawk> except for broken codfe
411 [02:51:01] <mawk> -f
412 [02:52:09] <rafuch0> mawk: i want to compile ccminer and i just compile it on my laptop using gcc-5 no problems but whit gcc-6 is failing whit a error of LDD final link
413 [02:52:29] <mawk> can you show the error ?
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417 [02:53:15] <rafuch0> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output
418 [02:53:17] <rafuch0> that one
419 [02:53:22] <rafuch0> mawk:
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421 [02:53:56] <mawk> hmm
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423 [02:54:27] <mawk> 32 bit computer ?
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426 [02:55:05] <rafuch0> no
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428 [02:55:30] <mawk> good
429 [02:55:32] <mawk> let me try to build to see
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432 [02:55:35] <Kryczek> mawk: sorry I am falling asleep on my keyboard heh; I'll give it one last try and continue tomorrow :)
433 [02:55:40] <mawk> I have gcc 7
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435 [02:57:32] <mawk> so you're using branch 2.3.1-tpruvot right rafuch0
436 [02:58:08] <rafuch0> mawk: yes sir
437 [02:58:10] <rafuch0> that one
438 [02:58:43] <rafuch0> i also add this lines on the Makefile
439 [02:59:04] <rafuch0> NVCC = nvcc -ccbin clang-3.8
440 [02:59:04] <rafuch0> Boost_SYSTEM_LIBRARY_RELEASE:FILEPATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_system.so
441 [02:59:04] <rafuch0> CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS:STRING= -fPIC
442 [02:59:04] <rafuch0> CMAKE_C_FLAGS:STRING= -fPIC
443 [02:59:51] <mawk> uh
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445 [03:00:02] <mawk> the ld error you have is typical of messing with -fPIC
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447 [03:00:06] <rafuch0> now i just read that if i modify etc/dmd.conf and i add -fPIC switch
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449 [03:00:26] <mawk> dmd ? it's a D program ?
450 [03:00:39] <mawk> dmd is the D compiler
451 [03:00:57] <incal> hello, how can I find out from what version (e.g. testing) a pack is from? I know of 'aptitude show' but it doesn't say what I can see (?)
452 [03:01:01] <mawk> it's 3am here Kryczek
453 [03:01:07] <mawk> dpkg -l maybe incal
454 [03:01:07] <dpkg> ii maybe incal 2.5-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
455 [03:01:11] <mawk> :(
456 [03:01:25] <mawk> dpkg -l zzzzzz zzzzzzzz
457 [03:01:25] <dpkg> ii zzzzzz zzzzzzzz 1.1-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
458 [03:02:00] <rafuch0> i really dont know what is dmd .... first time i hear about that compiler
459 [03:02:23] <mawk> yeah so just ignore the dmd business it's not for you
460 [03:02:28] <mawk> it's for the D programming language
461 [03:02:41] <mawk> so the ld error you have is typical of messing with PIC as I said
462 [03:02:45] <mawk> why do you want -fPIC ?
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465 [03:03:06] <mawk> also what's that clang business ? I thought you were building with gcc ?
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467 [03:03:47] <Kryczek> mawk: ifupdown-hotplug gets called with the various en* interfaces, but they do not get configured...
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469 [03:05:28] <Kryczek> mawk: `ifquery --allow hotplug -l enp0s3` shows "ifquery: unknown interface enp0s3" (but en* are declared as hotplug)
470 [03:05:56] <rafuch0> mawk: i think is related to the use of that libboost lib and boost the graphic card performance
471 [03:06:34] <mawk> and when you do ip link you see the interface with the precise name Kryczek ?
472 [03:06:39] <mawk> enp0s3 ?
473 [03:06:43] <mawk> it's not enxffffffffffff as you said ?
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475 [03:06:54] <Kryczek> yes
476 [03:06:59] <mawk> -fPIC isn't about performance rafuch0 if you don't know what it is don't use it
477 [03:07:05] <Kryczek> it is enp0s3, enp0s8 and enp0s9
478 [03:07:12] <Kryczek> only the wifi interface was getting a wlx1234...
479 [03:07:20] <Kryczek> I'll try to pastebin the full log
480 [03:07:21] <rafuch0> now i am compiling it whitout those options
481 [03:07:21] <mawk> so maybe you don't need the rename thing after all ?
482 [03:07:30] <Kryczek> what rename thing?
483 [03:08:11] <mawk> the = in pattern matching
484 [03:08:15] <mawk> it doesn't rename the interface ?
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487 [03:11:41] <Kryczek> mawk: replaced-url
488 [03:12:23] <rafuch0> mawk: still compiling ....
489 [03:12:36] <Kryczek> mawk: no no, the = in the pattern matching creates a mapping so that you can configure the whole family of en* as an imaginary interface called "foo" for example
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492 [03:13:39] <mawk> ah I see
493 [03:13:43] <mawk> so it's not like the rename directive
494 [03:14:10] <mawk> so try to do ifquery by hand and adjusting your interfaces file until it matches
495 [03:14:19] <mawk> you do /sbin/ifquery --allow hotplug
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497 [03:14:24] <mawk> let me test
498 [03:14:51] <Kryczek> mawk: ifupdown-hotplug is correctly called for each one of them with their name in INTERFACE= etc, I guess there is something wrong with ifquery itself
499 [03:15:06] <Kryczek> ah ok I will try
500 [03:15:10] <Kryczek> thank you
501 [03:15:17] <mawk> can you show again your interfaces file ?
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505 [03:17:04] <rafuch0> mawk: IT WORKED man !!!!
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510 [03:17:48] <Kryczek> mawk: replaced-url
511 [03:18:34] <mawk> good rafuch0
512 [03:18:45] <mawk> so it works with auto but not allow-hotplug
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514 [03:19:08] <mawk> also in the docs I see pattern matching for auto but not for allow-hotplug
515 [03:19:12] <mawk> maybe it's not supported ? it would be sad
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517 [03:20:19] <Kryczek> ah I think I am onto something
518 [03:20:58] <mawk> yeah no it's compatible with allow-hotplug
519 [03:21:00] <Kryczek> using strace I see that ifquery prints the error after failing to access a nonexistent /run/network/ifstate.enp0s9 file
520 [03:21:06] <mawk> uh
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522 [03:21:12] <mawk> yeah
523 [03:21:16] <mawk> that's to verify if an interface is up or not
524 [03:21:24] <mawk> you do ifdown between each test right ?
525 [03:21:36] <Kryczek> if I create that file (empty or with "enp0s9" inside) then it does not say that the interface is unknown, it just exits with code 1
526 [03:21:42] <mawk> hmm
527 [03:21:55] <Kryczek> mawk: should I? The interface is not up, so I guess no need to ifdown? :)
528 [03:22:11] <mawk> yeah if the state file isn't there no need
529 [03:22:22] <Kryczek> anyway ifdown says it doesn't know the interface
530 [03:22:37] <Kryczek> (with that one and another one that I hadn't touched yet)
531 [03:22:49] <mawk> hmm
532 [03:22:59] <mawk> why do you add a second / in the match ?
533 [03:23:08] <mawk> just do allow-hotplug /en*=foo
534 [03:23:12] <mawk> it should be enough
535 [03:23:16] <mawk> a second / is for options
536 [03:23:20] <mawk> and you don't have any
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539 [03:23:51] <Kryczek> mawk: that's what I wrote at the beginning, but then I noticed that in the ifupdown doc examples they have 2 /s
540 [03:24:06] <mawk> yeah
541 [03:24:13] <mawk> well in the manpage there is no /
542 [03:24:22] <mawk> and according to the grammar it's used only for options anyway
543 [03:24:26] <Kryczek> ah but I saw a difference syntax somewhere else
544 [03:24:30] <Kryczek> ok I will try without
545 [03:25:14] <mawk> if you do manuall ifup --allow-hotplug $INTERFACE it works ?
546 [03:25:32] <mawk> if yes you could just change the udev hook script
547 [03:25:37] <mawk> skip the ifquery and call directly this
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549 [03:27:26] <Kryczek> hehe yeah I am starting to wonder if, since I already "hacked" udev, I might as well push my if-up.d script there
550 [03:30:08] <mawk> yes ifquery is bogus
551 [03:30:48] <mawk> I did « allow-hotplug /xx*=x »
552 [03:30:52] <mawk> and ifquery says the interface is not found
553 [03:31:22] <mawk> hmm
554 [03:31:28] <mawk> let me patch the udev script fo ryou
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556 [03:32:13] <mawk> yeah no the ifquery is right Kryczek
557 [03:32:17] <mawk> ifquery should make an error
558 [03:32:44] <mawk> if you read the script it does [ -z $TARGET_IFACE ] && exit 0
559 [03:32:55] <mawk> so if ifquery doesn't return anything it exits
560 [03:32:58] <Kryczek> yeah TARGET_IFACE ends up being empty
561 [03:33:01] <mawk> why ?
562 [03:33:05] <mawk> ah
563 [03:33:06] <mawk> hmm
564 [03:33:16] <mawk> ah yeah I overlooked that
565 [03:33:30] <mawk> it's using the standard output
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567 [03:34:04] <mawk> there's a bug in the script I think
568 [03:34:14] <Kryczek> :)
569 [03:34:34] <Kryczek> or ifquery does not support pattern matching yet?
570 [03:35:09] <Kryczek> Trying 02:25 < mawk> if you do manuall ifup --allow-hotplug $INTERFACE it works ?
571 [03:35:58] <Kryczek> `ifup --allow-hotplug enp0s9` says unknown interface enp0s9
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573 [03:36:08] <mawk> even more strange
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575 [03:36:22] <mawk> pattern matching doesn't look like well implemented
576 [03:36:24] <Kryczek> same as `ifquery --allow-hotplug -l enp0s9`
577 [03:36:39] <Kryczek> haha yeah I guess it's a bleeding edge feature :D
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584 [03:38:26] <mawk> eh !
585 [03:38:31] <mawk> nicolas@desktop:~/Code/ccminer$ sudo ifup '/xx*'
586 [03:38:32] <mawk> ifup: unknown interface xxp5s0
587 [03:38:44] <mawk> it expanded the pattern match, so it works in a way
588 [03:38:48] <mawk> but it still says unknown interface
589 [03:38:56] <mawk> something fishy
590 [03:38:58] <Kryczek> if I add a simple "iface enp0s9 inet manual" line then `ifquery --allow-hotplug -l enp0s9` returns enp0s9
591 [03:39:31] <mawk> yea
592 [03:39:32] <mawk> h
593 [03:40:46] <mawk> well you could write your own script and add it to udev; you could make your own pattern matching engine for ifupdown and add drop down interface files from a template and delete them at shutdown; you could just drop /etc/network/interfaces and use systemd-networkd
594 [03:40:57] <mawk> option 2 would be the more gentle with regards to ifupdown
595 [03:41:01] <mawk> I guess
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602 [03:45:25] <Kryczek> mawk: is option 2 something that requires modifying the code of ifupdown, or just some scripts I can add to a hook somewhere? :)
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604 [03:46:53] <mawk> just some scripts
605 [03:46:59] <mawk> you don't modify ifupdown
606 [03:47:25] <mawk> it'd be like having a template interface file somewhere that you can fill in with sed, that you drop in /etc/network/interfaces.d/
607 [03:47:50] <mawk> with a tmpfs mounted at that place optionally, to auto clear at boot
608 [03:48:09] <mawk> or symlink to a folder in /tmp or /run to have systemd auto clear
609 [03:48:28] <mawk> and yeah you'd fill in the template from an udev hook script
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611 [03:50:06] <Kryczek> I think I understand
612 [03:50:17] <Kryczek> thank you very much for your time :)
613 [03:50:24] <mawk> you're welcome
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701 [05:45:45] <friendlyGoat> heya, i need some help with rsync one more time, i had everything set up but now its not syncing a rather large .bin of mine for whatever reason. it just freezes up when trying to sync it and i have no idea why.
702 [05:47:58] <ryouma> friendlyGoat: rsync channel might nkow
703 [05:49:56] <friendlyGoat> there an rsync channel?
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705 [05:51:01] <Sveta> yes
706 [05:51:55] <friendlyGoat> found, thanks!
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837 [07:56:58] <wylel> How long until a release is considered EOL?
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840 [08:00:23] <dax> the security team supports them until 1 year after the next release comes out (so usually about 3 years total). Debian LTS does some support after that, see replaced-url
841 [08:01:53] <wylel> Oh so the final release of a version then turns into an LTS for a certain amount of time.
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843 [08:06:13] <nkuttler> !lts
844 [08:06:13] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
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950 [09:12:36] <timahvo1> Hi guys am trying to install the nodejs.11_x on stretch from the modesource repo but it isn't even listed as an install candidate by apt-cache policy nodejs. Can anyone help me with this ?
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958 [09:15:11] <frashaf> .
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971 [09:20:00] <timahvo1> Hi guys am trying to install the nodejs.11_x on stretch from the modesource repo but it isn't even listed as an install candidate by apt-cache policy nodejs. Can anyone help me with this ?
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1114 [11:09:18] <qih> Two part question: Any one here live in NZ *and* can/willing to do remote sysadmin?
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1117 [11:10:56] <rant> 1) this is a support not a solicitation channel 2) if you were looking for REMOTE sysadmin, doesnt much matter where someone lives :P
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1119 [11:11:36] <agris> if it's remote why does the location matter?
1120 [11:11:40] <qih> Hmmm I am pretty sure I am not 'soliciting' but was asking a question.
1121 [11:11:49] <rant> qih: replaced-url
1122 [11:12:15] <qih> agris: Cos I'd rather pay a local than not 8-)
1123 [11:12:33] <qih> rant: Ta
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1125 [11:12:46] <rant> yeah well I rather be in amsterdam, but we can't all get what we want :P
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1127 [11:12:59] <rant> as the famous philosopher Jagger once said
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1129 [11:13:29] <EdePopede> Sir Michael.
1130 [11:13:34] <rant> 'course he went on to say, "if you try sometimes, you get what you need"
1131 [11:13:37] <agris> finding high sys adm/eng AND local at the same time? Good luck
1132 [11:13:53] <agris> *high skill sys
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1134 [11:14:12] <rant> agris: yeah, finding one thats high in amsterdam may not be so difficult :P
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1136 [11:14:57] <agris> I can't even find a decent programmer in a college town with compsci majors
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1138 [11:15:39] <rant> yeah well thats cause a B.S. in C.S. is a BullShit degree in Common Sense :P
1139 [11:15:55] <agris> more like the opposite
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1142 [11:16:19] <agris> it's like they teach them the opposite of common sense
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1146 [11:16:48] <rant> yeah.. well thats the case with most educational institutions.. you need to learn from experience not from school
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1148 [11:16:56] <colo-work> ftr: I hold a BSc in CompSci, and I'm awesome.
1149 [11:17:01] <agris> and how to customize Microsoft Visual Coder
1150 [11:17:03] <colo-work> thanks for your attention, everyone!
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1152 [11:17:25] <agris> >never heard of bash
1153 [11:18:03] <agris> >cause a B.S. in C.S. is a BullShit degree in Common Sense :P
1154 [11:18:28] <agris> I'm keeping this X_)
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1158 [11:20:47] <rant> well, I see from your resume, you clearly tried real hard and went into significant debt to be as dumb as you are.. but we're actually looking for someone who knows what they're doing.
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1160 [11:21:13] <agris> x_)
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1168 [11:22:55] * agris when you receive 3 applications point to websites that look exactly the same because all they did was copy their instructors EXACTLY
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1260 [12:19:11] <wald0> im a bit confused about the difference between en_US.UTF-8 and en_US.utf8
1261 [12:19:28] <wald0> does they works the same way in debian ?
1262 [12:19:53] <wald0> I always used .UTF-8 but seems like it is set to .utf8 here, is this wrong?
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1274 [12:23:48] <mzajc> I have a 64 bit system and a 32 bit C# XNA game (not the sources). How do I make mono run it? I installed mono-complete:amd64 from apt, but I can't seem to be able to install mono-complete:i386.
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1282 [12:29:46] <oiaohm> mzajc: I guess you tried running with the 64 bit version of mono.
1283 [12:29:52] <wald0> mzajc: try installing these 2 ones: ia32-libs-i386 multiarch-support
1284 [12:30:12] <oiaohm> wald0: mono-complete:amd64 and mono-complete:i386 pure conflit.
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1289 [12:30:57] <EdePopede> wald0, from man 7 locale: For example, when en_GB.UTF-8 is used for a category, the following subdirectories are searched for, in this order: en_GB.UTF-8, en_GB.utf8, en_GB, en.UTF-8, en.utf8, and en.
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1291 [12:31:15] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1292 [12:31:16] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1293 [12:31:19] <jelly> mzajc: ^
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1313 [12:37:38] <mzajc> Collected the required information: replaced-url
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1315 [12:38:49] <mzajc> Also ia32-libs-i386 doesn't seem to exist
1316 [12:39:21] <jelly> mzajc: you are mixing repos for debian 9 and upcoming debian 10 release (buster), currently testing branch, that will break stuff.
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1318 [12:40:25] <mzajc> So I should remove the stretch repos?
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1325 [12:41:37] <jelly> mzajc: yeah, either upgrade the whole system to buster, or if you haven't installed anything from testing yet, remove that repo from your config
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1327 [12:42:18] <jelly> upgrading to buster may break things as well, but at least you'll have a consistent repo situation
1328 [12:42:26] <jelly> dpkg, stretch->buster
1329 [12:42:26] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
1330 [12:43:27] <mzajc> Well I'm already on buster and I don't think that's causing any trouble
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1334 [12:44:06] <mzajc> Here's my sources: replaced-url
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1338 [12:44:51] <domovoy> hi
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1340 [12:45:21] <mzajc> I also have the steam repository in in sources.list.d, but I doubt that's causing the trouble.
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1343 [12:45:59] <mzajc> jelly: I have everything upgraded to buster already
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1348 [12:49:07] <jelly> mzajc: can you also pastebin apt-cache policy mono-runtime:i386 mono-runtime-sgen:i386 mono-utils:i386 mono-devel:i386 ... [all the package names listed under unmet dependencies, lines 12-23]
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1350 [12:49:25] <jelly> one or more of those is uninstallable
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1353 [12:51:17] <mzajc> jelly: Here you go: replaced-url
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1355 [12:51:42] <mzajc> A bunch of them don't have installation candidates, how do I fix that
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1372 [12:59:32] <domovoy> the machine is reported by inxi as 'HP Laptop 17-ca0xxx', the graphic device is '[AMD/ATI] Stoney [Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5 Graphics]'. I used to have random system freeze, which where fixed by installing the kernel from backports (4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64), but now: 1_ reboot or shutdown does not stop/restart the computer (seems to go all the way, except for power off); 2_ lightdm+slick-greeter doesn't refresh the screen (still responsive to keyboard, so i can
1373 [12:59:35] <domovoy> gui-login, even if don't see what i type, the the desktop works well). Tried purging firmware-amd-graphics, everything works right, but of course i don't want that. Tried firmware-amd-graphics from backports, same problems. Can't see any error in the logs. Any idea?
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1378 [13:03:46] <wonderworld> hey, i want to clone a 32GB microsd card to a 16GB microsd card. part layout is: p1 50MB p2 4GB. I am wondering if all data on the 32GB card will be at the start of the card or could it be that parts of the partitions are somewhere enar the hardware end of the card?
1379 [13:03:49] <jelly> mzajc: you wait. Or set up a testing/unstable mix, which has its own consequences. At this point in the release cycle, I'd wait
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1381 [13:04:02] <jelly> ,v mono-devel --arch i386
1382 [13:04:03] <judd> Package: mono-devel on i386 -- jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; jessie-security: 3.2.8+dfsg-10+deb8u1; stretch: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; sid: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-2; buster: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3; sid: 5.18.0.240+dfsg-3
1383 [13:04:22] <wonderworld> i.e. coul i just dd from card a to card b or might i lose data this way?
1384 [13:04:33] <jelly> mzajc: it's also possible your mirror is slightly out of date
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1387 [13:05:08] <mzajc> replaced-url
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1392 [13:06:20] <themill> mzajc: why are you trying to install :i386 packages?
1393 [13:06:46] <mzajc> Because I want to run a 32 bit C# application
1394 [13:07:04] <jelly> mzajc: I've had trouble syncing my own mirror from syncproxy.eu.debian.org, if arnes.si syncs from the same one if might be slightly out of date or missing packages
1395 [13:07:43] <mzajc> jelly: tried with replaced-url
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1397 [13:10:04] <wald0> EdePopede: thanks, curiously my system has multiple locales installed and there's basically the last one (just "en", or "es" or "tk"...), sounds like it generically defaults to utf8 as a standard or something like this
1398 [13:10:14] <jelly> wonderworld: usually the layout will not be weird, but confirm that with a tool that explicitely tells you which offset partitions start from
1399 [13:10:42] <wald0> unless set specifically to another one (like .Big5, .GB2313, etc)
1400 [13:10:44] <jelly> wonderworld: eg. sfdisk -d /dev/mmcblk8
1401 [13:10:58] <themill> mzajc: C# or C# calling C?
1402 [13:11:02] <wonderworld> jelly: thanks
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1404 [13:11:57] <mzajc> themill: not sure, it's not my program
1405 [13:11:59] <themill> (my recollection is that the amd64 mono can run anything)
1406 [13:12:12] <jelly> mzajc: hm, does "apt-cache policy mono-devel" show something instead? (and why would a ready-made C# binary need -devel packages to merely run?)
1407 [13:13:01] <themill> #debian-cli on irc.oftc.net might be a good place to ask
1408 [13:13:20] <mzajc> jelly: replaced-url
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1418 [13:15:08] <tinyhippo> hello, who should I speak to about replaced-url
1419 [13:15:14] <jelly> ah, so it exists
1420 [13:15:39] <EdePopede> wald0: better ISO 10646 than just old 646
1421 [13:16:58] <jelly> tinyhippo: seems it's reported already replaced-url
1422 [13:17:55] <jelly> tinyhippo: if it weren't, I'd suggest to look up bugs for the package named "replaced-url
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1424 [13:18:18] <tinyhippo> aha
1425 [13:18:21] <tinyhippo> thanks jelly
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1427 [13:18:35] <jelly> you're tinywelcome
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1439 [13:27:36] <mzajc> jelly: How come libmono-corlib4.5-cil:amd64 has a candidate but libmono-corlib4.5-cil:i386 doesn't?
1440 [13:28:16] <mzajc> Shouldn't it support _all_ architectures?
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1447 [13:28:52] <jelly> mzajc: could be the i386 build failed or was slower to upload
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1450 [13:29:42] <jelly> dpkg, why is libmono-corlib4.5-cil not in testing
1451 [13:29:42] <dpkg> libmono-corlib4.5-cil is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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1454 [13:31:19] <mzajc> jelly: it is in testing, but the i386 one doesn't have a candidate
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1459 [13:33:31] <jelly> mzajc: that means it's not in testing.
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1461 [13:33:48] <mzajc> But it's not in stretch either
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1466 [13:35:58] <jelly> ,i libmono-corlib4.5-cil
1467 [13:35:59] <judd> Package libmono-corlib4.5-cil (cli-mono, optional) in stretch/amd64: Mono core library (for CLI 4.5). Version: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; Size: 1018.2k; Installed: 3768k; Homepage: replaced-url
1468 [13:36:17] <jelly> ,i libmono-corlib4.5-cil --arch i386
1469 [13:36:18] <judd> Package libmono-corlib4.5-cil (cli-mono, optional) in stretch/i386: Mono core library (for CLI 4.5). Version: 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1; Size: 1018.2k; Installed: 3768k; Homepage: replaced-url
1470 [13:36:25] <jelly> oh, it's another :all package
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1473 [13:36:53] <mzajc> Yeah, the problem is that apt doesn't accept it as i386
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1475 [13:37:05] <jelly> don't give it :anything at all, then
1476 [13:37:20] <mzajc> But that'll install the amd64 one
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1478 [13:38:18] <jelly> they are exactly the same
1479 [13:39:02] <jelly> an :all package satisfies the dependency for any architecture
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1484 [13:39:54] <woenx> Hey. i have a remote debian machine that somehow ran out of memory
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1486 [13:40:15] <woenx> at a point that I can't even run the reboot command
1487 [13:40:21] <woenx> what could I do to safely restart that machine?
1488 [13:40:27] <woenx> (well, it's a virtual machine)
1489 [13:41:02] <mzajc> jelly: That's for libmono-corlib4.5-cil, but mono-complete which is the thing that I want to install doesn't have an :all package.
1490 [13:41:36] <jelly> mzajc: and if you fix all its dependencies it will be able to install
1491 [13:41:46] <jelly> presumably
1492 [13:41:47] <woenx> nevermind, I managed to restart it
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1499 [13:44:04] <mzajc> jelly: still nope replaced-url
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1526 [14:00:53] <jelly> mzajc: ouch, that does not look simple. What happens if you do aptitude install (thing you wanted to install in the first place), instead of apt?
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1533 [14:03:45] <domovoy> the machine is reported by inxi as 'HP Laptop 17-ca0xxx', the graphic device is '[AMD/ATI] Stoney [Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5 Graphics]'. I used to have random system freeze, which where fixed by installing the kernel from backports (4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64), but now: 1_ reboot or shutdown does not stop/restart the computer (seems to go all the way, except for power off); 2_ lightdm+slick-greeter doesn't refresh the screen (still responsive to keyboard, so i can
1534 [14:03:46] <domovoy> gui-login, even if don't see what i type, the the desktop works well). Tried purging firmware-amd-graphics, everything works right, but of course i don't want that. Tried firmware-amd-graphics from backports, same problems. Can't see any error in the logs. Any idea?
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1548 [14:11:12] <domovoy> is there any way to "watch" a debian package? ie, i want to receive a mail if there is a new version of package foobar in stretch-backports
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1554 [14:14:41] <domovoy> sorry about the disconnections, my network is crap here
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1560 [14:20:07] <g0zzy> Getting an infuriating "You don't have permission to access / on this server." Nothing wrong with perms. Vhosts dump appears to be OK, but maybe you can spot something amiss with it..?
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1566 [14:22:50] <g0zzy> Is it maybe a problem that the site is NOT under /var/replaced-url
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1581 [14:27:33] <g0zzy> OK. Answered my own question. It IS a problem. I had to edit apache2.conf to add a different sites root
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1617 [14:51:33] <gypsymauro> hi
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1619 [14:52:49] <gypsymauro> I've to update a jessie server with debian+bacula, I whitnk it will be untouched for some years (installing security updates) cause buster is in freeze, it's a good idea do start with a fresh buster installation or it's better to stay on stretch?
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1703 [15:54:57] <loptr> gypsymauro: it depends of your strategy personally I prefer to upgrade to the latest version when it's possible
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1709 [15:57:55] <jelly> gypsymauro: if it's on a private network you might as well go with buster
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1728 [16:09:29] <johnfg> Hi folks
1729 [16:10:28] <johnfg> Just did an apt update, 5 pkgs to be upgraded. Got this: The following packages have been kept back:
1730 [16:10:32] <johnfg> default-jdk default-jdk-headless default-jre default-jre-headless icedtea-netx
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1732 [16:10:45] <johnfg> What's the fix for this?
1733 [16:11:06] <jelly> johnfg: this fix is to do "apt full-upgrade" instead of just upgrade, which debian release is that?
1734 [16:11:07] <Fox> johnfg: apt-get dist-upgrade
1735 [16:11:34] <jelly> !dist-upgrade
1736 [16:11:35] <dpkg> dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>.
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1744 [16:14:55] <annadane> that's actually a complicated one, i had similar but i don't know about default-jdk/jre
1745 [16:15:11] <annadane> icedtea-netx is getting removed but i'm unsure what is specifically blocking this upgrade
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1748 [16:15:57] <annadane> my solution was just to kind of do a regular apt upgrade first and then dist-upgrade later... apt autoremove at some stage may or may not be required
1749 [16:16:07] <themill> there's a versioned dependency associated with one of the java-plugin packages.
1750 [16:16:36] <annadane> so dist-upgrade would probably appropriately remove icedtea? then i guess that is the right answer
1751 [16:16:58] <themill> As the release announcement for 9.9 says, a dist-upgrade is indeed required
1752 [16:17:05] <johnfg> Thanks folks, that did the job. apt-get dist-upgrade, followed by the apt autoremove.
1753 [16:17:07] <themill> (there's also a kernel ABI bump)
1754 [16:17:20] <greycat> Yup, if a package needs to be removed for the upgrade to occur, you have to type full- or dist- to allow it
1755 [16:17:38] <johnfg> themill: Got that yesterday.
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1757 [16:17:45] <greycat> If new packages are needed, "apt upgrade" will do that, but "apt-get upgrade" will not.
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1767 [16:20:16] <jelly> ,depends default-jdk-headless
1768 [16:20:17] <judd> Package default-jdk-headless in stretch/amd64 -- depends: default-jre-headless (= 2:1.8-58+deb9u1), openjdk-8-jdk-headless.
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1770 [16:20:30] <jelly> huh, still 8 not 11?
1771 [16:21:29] <themill> in stretch, yes
1772 [16:21:33] * jelly thought there was no public upstream doing java 8 security at all
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1775 [16:22:33] <themill> moving to jdk11 breaks too much to do it in stretch; I assume there's someone doing lots of backporting of patches
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1780 [16:24:00] <jelly> RH seems to require support for their 8 (supported until 2023ish)
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1786 [16:26:45] <jelly> I guess they throw some src.rpm out every three months, or there's some other upstream
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1808 [16:41:51] <n_1-c_k> What problem would be caused by doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for each and every update, whatever it involves?
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1810 [16:43:26] <jelly> n_1-c_k: usually no problem within the boundaries of the package manager. But you may have unpackaged software, eg. scripts, that rely on a piece of software that's going to be removed
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1815 [16:44:52] <annadane> on stable, at least. (i assume you run stable as #debian is largely supporting stable but just in case...)
1816 [16:45:14] <annadane> and assuming the user doesn't have some sort of frankendebian
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1819 [16:45:26] <n_1-c_k> jelly, ok thanks. Because I've... I mean, my friend, has been doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for years. I'll tell him to watch out...
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1821 [16:45:58] <annadane> the main thing is just to not blindly upgrade without reading what's happening
1822 [16:46:08] <jelly> n_1-c_k: they don't have to watch out if they don't have crazy tools built against, dunno, specific libclamav* versions or whatnot
1823 [16:46:19] <n_1-c_k> righto
1824 [16:46:27] <jelly> well not more than usual. Regressions happen.
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1827 [16:47:37] <pizzaman> Hi
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1833 [16:51:20] <jelly> now they're just... man
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1844 [16:54:34] <yes> i've found some notes about installing debian with sysvinit instead of systemd. but i'm wondering if anyone has notes on how to switch to sysvinit without a full reinstall?
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1847 [16:55:09] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
1848 [16:55:09] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit in buster or sid, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
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1852 [16:56:15] <greycat> in fact there *isn't* a supported way to "install with sysvinit instead of systemd". switching is the only supported way.
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1855 [16:56:38] <jelly> is the method from jessie not supported any more?
1856 [16:56:47] <greycat> what method was that?
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1859 [16:57:34] <greycat> the only thing that comes to mind is the thing about retaining sysvinit while upgrading from wheezy
1860 [16:57:37] <jelly> one or two preseed lines, one doing a specific remove in-target and the other for... dunno
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1862 [16:58:01] <greycat> I know nothing about preseeding
1863 [16:58:01] <laidback_01> not true. just switch to Devuan. it's Debian, but with sysint. very nice distro, behaves exactly as expected.
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1865 [16:58:06] <lenswipe> hi folks
1866 [16:58:07] <greycat> It is not Debian.
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1869 [16:58:30] <laidback_01> it's Debian as much as Centos is RedHat
1870 [16:58:31] <jelly> laidback_01: it's a derivative
1871 [16:58:47] <annadane> "supported way"
1872 [16:58:59] <annadane> people do use devuan but that doesn't mean it's a debian-sanctioned way of using sysvinit
1873 [16:59:02] <lenswipe> I tried to use vs code with "sudo apt edit-sources" and now if I try and run it again, it just says You are trying to start vscode as a super user which is not recommended. If you really want to, you must specify an alternate user data directory using the --user-data-dir argument. E: Sub-process editor returned an error code (1) and won't give me an opportunity to fix
1874 [16:59:09] <laidback_01> okay, fair enough. regardless, it's a suitable system for those who dislike systemd, but want Debian.
1875 [16:59:11] <jelly> laidback_01: it uses different repos, builds some things in ways different that debian, and supported in #devuan not here
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1877 [16:59:14] <lenswipe> How do I change the editor for apt edit-sources
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1879 [16:59:29] <jelly> laidback_01: it's emphatically not debian. Just a close derivative.
1880 [17:00:16] <laidback_01> I use both systems. not trying to insult people over differences in names. I like to solve things... that seemed a simple solution to a question above.
1881 [17:00:24] <lenswipe> basically, I've broken apt edit-sources and now it won't let me pick another editor
1882 [17:00:54] <laidback_01> anyway, I agree Devuan <> Debian, sorry I said that.
1883 [17:00:55] <greycat> lenswipe: have you tried update-alternatives --config editor
1884 [17:01:21] <greycat> in any case, I've never even heard of "apt edit-sources" until now
1885 [17:01:34] <greycat> I just do sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
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1887 [17:01:43] <laidback_01> I kinda thought you always just edited... yep
1888 [17:02:02] <lenswipe> greycat, just did that, and it still isnt working
1889 [17:02:08] <dob1> ,b glances
1890 [17:02:20] <dob1> wrong syntax?
1891 [17:02:22] <lenswipe> greycat, basically, i picked vs code by accident and now can't change it
1892 [17:02:27] <jelly> lenswipe: if you have sudo access, you can run "sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
1893 [17:02:36] <greycat> I have no idea what you are even SAYING. What is "picked vs code"?
1894 [17:02:40] <lenswipe> jelly, i can, and i probably will - but i want to undo what I did
1895 [17:02:46] <jelly> greycat: vscode is a GUI editor
1896 [17:03:16] <nkuttler> ugh.. vscode inserts itself into the editor choices?
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1899 [17:03:26] <jelly> why wouldn't it
1900 [17:03:28] <lenswipe> greycat, i ran sudo apt edit-sources and got a menu like the one update-alternatives provides. I fatfingered it and picked /usr/bin/code instead of vim. Now I can't seem to change it.
1901 [17:03:51] <dob1> packages.debian.org seems down
1902 [17:03:52] <jelly> lenswipe: update-alternatives --config editor
1903 [17:03:58] <lenswipe> vscode doesn't let you run it as root (sensible)....unfortunately that's effed everything else up
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1905 [17:04:01] <nkuttler> you're right, vim is also in there
1906 [17:04:01] <lenswipe> jelly, already did that
1907 [17:04:11] <annadane> dob1, not for me?
1908 [17:04:13] <jelly> lenswipe: was it set to code?
1909 [17:04:32] <annadane> at least, not the main site, but clicking on a link isn't loading
1910 [17:04:35] <lenswipe> jelly, replaced-url
1911 [17:04:35] <dob1> annadane, can you search a package here ? replaced-url
1912 [17:04:41] <lenswipe> jelly, it is now.
1913 [17:04:46] <lenswipe> err....its set to vim now
1914 [17:04:48] <lenswipe> it wasn't set to anything
1915 [17:04:57] <annadane> dob1, yes
1916 [17:05:02] <jelly> lenswipe: ah, so it's not (just) that
1917 [17:05:07] <dob1> annadane, it's back!
1918 [17:05:07] <lenswipe> what do you mean
1919 [17:05:08] <annadane> dob1, possible the package you searched for isn't in backports
1920 [17:05:10] <annadane> ah
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1922 [17:06:42] <yes> greycat, jelly: i'm on buster
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1924 [17:06:48] <jelly> lenswipe: when you open a terminal, do "echo $EDITOR" and "echo $VISUAL" show anything?
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1928 [17:08:28] <jelly> lenswipe: if not, perhaps it's the "sensible editor" thing written down, see if your ~/.selected_editor or ~root/.selected_editor exists
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1930 [17:09:31] <yes> !buster sysvinit
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1932 [17:09:40] <lenswipe> jelly, presumably as sudo?
1933 [17:09:50] <jelly> lenswipe: no.
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1935 [17:10:06] <lenswipe> well echo $EDITOR; and echo $VISUAL; as me produces nothing
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1937 [17:10:36] <lenswipe> ah there it is
1938 [17:10:44] <lenswipe> /root/.selected_editor
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1941 [17:11:13] <lenswipe> ta
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1944 [17:11:43] <greycat> ... and *apt* uses that file? It's not in the man page.
1945 [17:11:43] <lenswipe> Meanwhile....can I add an ubuntu PPA in order to install ansible 2.3?
1946 [17:11:49] <lenswipe> greycat, seems so
1947 [17:11:50] <greycat> !ppa
1948 [17:11:50] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
1949 [17:12:06] <greycat> ,v ansible
1950 [17:12:07] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; sid: 2.7.8+dfsg-1
1951 [17:12:16] <lenswipe> im aware. I need ansible 2.3
1952 [17:12:17] <greycat> you can get 2.7.5 from stretch-backports
1953 [17:12:22] <lenswipe> oh, cool.
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1955 [17:12:25] <jelly> greycat: I have no idea what "apt edit-source" does honestly
1956 [17:12:48] <lenswipe> jelly, basically it's a CLI version of the fancy GUI that lets you edit software sources
1957 [17:13:17] <lenswipe> greycat, how do i fetch something from backports instead of the main repo?
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1959 [17:13:22] <lenswipe> apt-get install ansible just installs 2.1
1960 [17:13:26] <lenswipe> or 2.2 or whatever
1961 [17:13:36] <greycat> !stretch-backports
1962 [17:13:36] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
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1965 [17:13:57] <lenswipe> i know what backports <ARE>
1966 [17:14:05] <lenswipe> I just want to know how to tell apt to use the backports repo :)
1967 [17:14:11] <annadane> apt -t stretch-backports install foo
1968 [17:14:13] <greycat> replaced-url
1969 [17:14:14] <jelly> lenswipe: do you know what reading the instructions IS
1970 [17:14:22] <lenswipe> oh right
1971 [17:14:22] <lenswipe> apt-get -t stretch-backports install "package"
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1973 [17:14:30] <lenswipe> jelly, yep, just missed that the first time
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1975 [17:14:35] <greycat> jelly: no, he doesn't. he will just wait until someone spoon-feeds him.
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1977 [17:14:58] <lenswipe> jelly, lots of people on IRC like to just chuck a man page at you and just go "RTFM" regardless of wether it's actually applicable or not
1978 [17:15:05] <greycat> *plonk*
1979 [17:15:06] <lenswipe> in this case it is
1980 [17:15:11] <lenswipe> usually its not
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1982 [17:15:41] <jelly> lenswipe: I also have experience with you in particular, and assuming we just tell you to RTFM does not provide any favors
1983 [17:16:00] <lenswipe> not sure what you're driving at
1984 [17:16:37] <jelly> I don't RTFM without reason, and neither does greycat
1985 [17:16:53] <lenswipe> idd, but lots of people do
1986 [17:17:17] <jelly> we're not lots.
1987 [17:17:23] <lenswipe> i never said you were
1988 [17:17:32] <jelly> you did, by not reading the FM
1989 [17:17:36] <whislock> lenswipe: If you're being told to RTFM that much, it might indicate a problematic pattern on your part.
1990 [17:17:40] <lenswipe> *sigh*
1991 [17:17:59] <lenswipe> whislock, ever go on stackoverflow? ;)
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1993 [17:18:21] <whislock> Yes. And?
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1999 [17:19:07] <lenswipe> <question about how to install WiFi drivers on Ubuntu>.....2 minutes later.....<marked as duplicate of question about configuring printer on ubuntu by mod with 999999 rep>
2000 [17:19:11] <jelly> I would hope this channel provided a level of cluefulness at least slightly above stackoverflow
2001 [17:19:24] <lenswipe> jelly, it does. considerably....I'm just used to stackoveflow at this point.
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2004 [17:20:07] <lenswipe> Anyway, I'm not going to argue about this. It's not a particularly fruitful discussion.
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2006 [17:20:48] <jelly> but anyway, that sensible-editor thing clashes a bit with alternatives and probably should not offer to put its config when run as root
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2008 [17:21:28] <lenswipe> yeah, that's kind of odd
2009 [17:21:35] <jelly> I almost never notice it because my $EDITOR is set everywhere
2010 [17:21:48] <annadane> which one? :D
2011 [17:21:52] <annadane> sorry, sorry
2012 [17:22:01] <jelly> that bit of info will not be divulged
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2014 [17:22:27] <lenswipe> obviously vim is the superior editor and pc is better than PC. now we watch as the channel implodes.
2015 [17:22:31] <lenswipe> s/PC/mac
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2024 [17:27:22] <jelly> however if apt is smart enough to have a wrapper for $EDITOR sources.list, it might be smart enough to detect running under sudo
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2027 [17:27:52] <jelly> Disclaimer: I do not think either is a good idea or very useful feature
2028 [17:28:28] <jelly> lenswipe: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list should let you edit the file even with vscode, it makes a temp. copy and runs the editor as normal user
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2030 [17:28:53] <lenswipe> interesting
2031 [17:29:04] <lenswipe> i prefer vim and/or nano or something normally
2032 [17:29:10] <lenswipe> right now things are working though
2033 [17:29:29] <themill> (if only the sensible-editor menu told you how to change the option later)
2034 [17:30:05] <jelly> or if it did not override alternatives
2035 [17:30:11] <lenswipe> themill, ?
2036 [17:30:33] <themill> sensible-editor *should* override alternatives, given it has user settings and alternatives do not
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2040 [17:31:04] <themill> «Select an editor. To change later, run 'select-editor'.»
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2043 [17:31:07] <jelly> in this case the user isn't aware the setting gets remembered as user "root" setting
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2046 [17:31:27] <lenswipe> This all came about because my app wouldn't start properly in the dev VM. I destoryed and rebuilt the dev VM to try and see if that would help. unfortunately I manage to blow ansible away with something I did a while ago and so needed to re-install that. The version in debian main was too old for my ansible scripts and therefore I needed to edit sources.list to add the ansible PPA to...well you get the idea.
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2048 [17:32:01] <jelly> themill: running 'select-editor' after 'sudo apt edit-sources' would edit the wrong setting
2049 [17:32:26] <themill> I don't think it's much of a stretch to stick sudo in front of that
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2051 [17:33:20] <jelly> it's rather inconsistent, other apt/apt-get suggestions put sudo in front, at least where canonical people have added that :-)
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2054 [17:34:30] <jelly> let's argue about this some more instead of filing a wishlist/minor bug!
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2057 [17:35:31] <themill> replaced-url
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2061 [17:36:11] <jelly> there's one dude who pretends to be a dumb user and dutifully files hundreds of bug reports with tiny inconsistencies
2062 [17:36:12] <greycat> and select-editor is mentioned zero times in apt(8)
2063 [17:36:31] <nojake> how would i copy the contents all partitions, mbr, etc. 1:1 into some image .. dd? can u give me the exact command?
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2065 [17:36:37] <jelly> bug reports ABOUT inconsistencies.
2066 [17:36:52] <Delvien> I have a debian 9 server that when i set to static ip i get no internet access. I have /etc/resolv.con set to googles dns, and static IP set in /etc/network/interfaces. when I swap to DHCP I get internet access
2067 [17:37:35] <jelly> Delvien: how do you determine "internet access", can you ping the gateway by ip address, and an external server by ip address?
2068 [17:38:10] <Delvien> jelly ping 8.8.8.8 or replaced-url
2069 [17:38:12] <greycat> nojake: typically something like dd if=/dev/yourdisk bs=64k of=somefile.img but the disk you're cloning in this way must NOT be modified during the copy, so make sure it is not the disk you're actually booting Debian from, and that none of the partitions are mounted
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2071 [17:38:18] <jelly> Delvien: can you pastebin the output of "ip a" and "ip r" with static config and with dhcp?
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2074 [17:38:43] <jelly> Delvien: a screenshot is okay if you can't pastebin text when there is no network
2075 [17:39:04] <Delvien> jelly terminal only, and no network currently.
2076 [17:39:05] <natinaum> die Image sache: dd if=<source> of=<target> bs=<bitrate> status=progress
2077 [17:39:44] <jelly> Delvien: upload an image of the screen with requested info visible, to imgur.com or some other free image site
2078 [17:41:14] <nojake> natinaum, thanks. would that work for partition and mbr and all?
2079 [17:41:53] <nojake> natinaum, ziel soll sein es wiederherszustellen 1:1
2080 [17:41:53] <greycat> if you use a disk device (e.g. /dev/sdc) then yes
2081 [17:42:08] <greycat> if you use a partition device (e.g. /dev/sdc1) then no
2082 [17:42:40] <nojake> ah. ok. then i don't understand bitrate in this context.
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2084 [17:42:46] <greycat> block size.
2085 [17:43:05] <nojake> how wold i found out?
2086 [17:43:05] <jelly> GPT has a signature at the beginning and at the end of disk, so that needs fixing, but firmware usually does well booting with jsut the former
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2088 [17:43:28] <greycat> nojake: I suggested bs=64k but you apparently didn't read mine
2089 [17:43:33] <nojake> ^^
2090 [17:43:37] <nojake> ok.
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2093 [17:43:40] <nojake> thank you.
2094 [17:43:54] <natinaum> buffersize
2095 [17:43:57] <natinaum> my mistake
2096 [17:44:01] <jelly> block size
2097 [17:44:02] <nojake> sorry. it's very small and too colorful. thx greycat
2098 [17:44:10] <nojake> and all.
2099 [17:44:18] <natinaum> today isn't my day
2100 [17:44:36] <natinaum> what jelly said
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2102 [17:45:20] <nojake> np;) alles gut.
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2108 [17:47:02] <natinaum> Idk, i slept like 4 hours. I think you should choose the blocksize fitting for your device. I use 24m. maybe, dont trust me, google :)
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2110 [17:47:54] <greycat> I doubt you'd see any improvement beyond 1 megabyte
2111 [17:48:08] <greycat> you're just using a bunch of additional memory for probably no real gain
2112 [17:48:38] <Delvien> jelly: whew that took a long time.. replaced-url
2113 [17:48:43] <nojake> ok it's GPT. so..
2114 [17:49:05] <nojake> a signature at the end of the disk ... wouldn't that be copied as well?
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2116 [17:49:17] <nojake> would it only work on the specific usb disk?
2117 [17:49:29] <natinaum> The only thing i know is that you shouldnt just forget this argument. I had my pain with it. But I guess at some point it really doesnt matter.
2118 [17:49:29] <nojake> or is it all much simpler.
2119 [17:49:44] <natinaum> 1:1
2120 [17:49:49] <nojake> 1:1
2121 [17:50:05] <natinaum> exactly
2122 [17:50:07] <greycat> dd's default block size comes from the 1970s like dd
2123 [17:50:34] <Delvien> jelly: sorry, didnt get the static address config there: here u go: replaced-url
2124 [17:50:34] <natinaum> I thought default blocksize is bytewise
2125 [17:50:43] <greycat> man dd tells you the default value
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2128 [17:51:05] <nojake> you 64kb suggestion is still valid for gpt? greycat
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2130 [17:51:13] <greycat> GPT has nothing to do with this.
2131 [17:51:15] <natinaum> at least it felt this way
2132 [17:51:29] <nojake> well then i do i worry?
2133 [17:51:33] <nojake> why
2134 [17:51:35] <natinaum> 523 is the default 512
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2136 [17:51:37] <greycat> It's a question of SPEED. The block size is how many bytes you read each time you read from the device.
2137 [17:51:38] <natinaum> typo and so
2138 [17:51:41] <jelly> Delvien: and ip r for both cases?
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2140 [17:51:57] <greycat> Reading 512 bytes at a time turns out to be really god damned slow on modern disks.
2141 [17:52:02] <nojake> greycat: and that was exaclty why it seems odd..
2142 [17:52:20] <nojake> (unless blocksize)
2143 [17:52:33] <natinaum> It was always slow …
2144 [17:52:54] <nojake> the copying and reproducing should take whatever it does.
2145 [17:53:00] <greycat> Like most of the commands from the 1970s, it was actually designed to read and write MAGNETIC TAPES, not disks.
2146 [17:53:18] <nojake> it should be at best the blocksize used on the stick.
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2148 [17:53:24] <nojake> maybe i can find it out?
2149 [17:53:34] <greycat> 64k is usually fine.
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2151 [17:53:38] <nojake> ok.
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2153 [17:53:52] <greycat> if you want to spend a whole bunch of time benchmarking different block sizes, go ahead
2154 [17:54:36] <natinaum> You could double it till it doesnt help. Then go a half step for and back and for till you find your sweetspot
2155 [17:54:47] <nojake> no greycat. all i wanted to hear is do dd blah blah. eof
2156 [17:54:49] <natinaum> or you duckduckgo it
2157 [17:54:55] <natinaum> eof?
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2159 [17:55:03] <nojake> end of file./
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2161 [17:55:16] <nojake> its cool now.
2162 [17:55:21] <nojake> thanks.
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2165 [17:55:46] <nojake> (it could of course have been soemthing more interesting for you.. sorry for trivial stuff)
2166 [17:55:47] <jelly> natinaum: if does not really matter if you use a larger bs on linux, because GNU dd and Linux kernel will do a final partial write and always write down exactly the amount of bytes that was on the input
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2169 [17:55:58] <natinaum> cat < <source> > <target>
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2173 [17:56:14] <jelly> pv < source > dest # has a progress bar!
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2175 [17:56:36] <natinaum> dd if=source |pv|dd of=target
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2177 [17:56:55] <jelly> pv does not know the total that way
2178 [17:57:03] <greycat> you'll want bs= on both of those unless you're really trying to benchmark the default 512 byte block size
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2180 [17:57:11] <natinaum> cat source |pv|ssh localhost dd of=target
2181 [17:57:13] <jelly> !start a block copy tool war
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2183 [17:57:18] <nojake> ah ok.
2184 [17:57:26] <natinaum> have a nice day
2185 [17:57:33] <nojake> dito! o/
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2187 [17:58:05] <jelly> pv < source | ... # when pv knows the total, it is able to show an ETA
2188 [17:58:27] <jelly> except Linux' cache ruins it
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2191 [17:59:57] <natinaum> cat > <target> <<__
2192 [18:00:07] <natinaum> `cat <source>`
2193 [18:00:09] <natinaum> __
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2198 [18:00:44] <greycat> that is not a correct solution.
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2200 [18:01:10] <natinaum> why?
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2202 [18:01:15] <natinaum> dont see the problem
2203 [18:01:35] <greycat> it will fail on binary files -- you lose all NUL bytes, and you strip all trailing newlines and add one newline at the end
2204 [18:01:53] <greycat> so, even on text files it may not give a perfect copy
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2206 [18:02:12] <natinaum> trailing?
2207 [18:02:14] <jelly> but it may give an amusingly broken copy!
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2210 [18:02:52] <greycat> also, it counts on there being enough space in /tmp or wherever TMPDIR points for the temporary copy that gets made
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2212 [18:03:09] <natinaum> there is not tempcopy
2213 [18:03:14] <natinaum> But in your ram
2214 [18:03:16] <greycat> Yes there is.
2215 [18:03:21] <greycat> strace it if you don't believe me.
2216 [18:03:32] <jelly> a real shell would just mmap() enough!
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2220 [18:04:18] <jelly> sorry. malloc(). mmap requires a fd ;-)
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2222 [18:05:10] <greycat> there've been some threads on the *-bash mailing lists about changing how bash handles here documents, but so far nobody has come up with a patch to change the behavior.
2223 [18:05:15] <natinaum> strace it if you don't believe me.
2224 [18:05:19] <greycat> bash uses a temporary file for << and <<<. always.
2225 [18:05:21] <natinaum> give me a moment
2226 [18:05:47] <natinaum> have to install strace first :)
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2228 [18:06:04] <natinaum> wanted to do a citation and failed a bit
2229 [18:06:40] <jelly> sadly even zsh does a temp file
2230 [18:07:08] * jelly did a strace -f zsh -fc 'cat > /dev/null << __ ...
2231 [18:07:13] <greycat> strace -e openat,write,close,unlink bash -c 'true <<< foo' demonstrates it pretty well on buster
2232 [18:07:47] <greycat> use "open" instead of "openat" on stretch
2233 [18:07:57] <jelly> open("/tmp/zshzCPieh", O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE, 0600) = 3
2234 [18:07:57] <jelly> open("/tmp/zshzCPieh", O_RDONLY|O_NOCTTY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
2235 [18:07:57] <natinaum> "/tmp/sh-thd.xZm2jW"
2236 [18:08:00] <natinaum> this?
2237 [18:08:02] <jelly> so sad!
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2239 [18:08:34] <natinaum> Heredoc, i'm disappointed in you
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2241 [18:08:59] <greycat> It opens the temp file, writes the content to it, writes a newline to it, reopens it readonly, unlinks it, etc.
2242 [18:09:31] <jelly> linux will usually not even bother writing any of it to disk if its lifetime is short enough
2243 [18:09:45] <natinaum> you could try to sync fastly
2244 [18:10:06] <jelly> moreso if your /tmp is on tmpfs
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2246 [18:11:25] * jelly wonders what O_NOCTTY does
2247 [18:11:57] <greycat> open(2) explains it
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2249 [18:12:27] <rafuch0> how can i read a message that is trow at 2>&1 ?
2250 [18:12:28] <natinaum> Is it a lib?
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2252 [18:12:48] <natinaum> "2>&1"?
2253 [18:12:57] <greycat> rafuch0: 2>&1 just tells a shell that for this command, stderr should go to the same place as stdout
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2255 [18:13:15] <natinaum> yes, but what do rafuch want?
2256 [18:13:20] <jelly> greycat: it does not quite explain what happens otherwise
2257 [18:13:23] <greycat> you need to ask a clearer question, with some context
2258 [18:13:55] <jelly> a mere act of opening a tty makes it become the controling tty if the process does not have one?
2259 [18:14:09] <greycat> that's implied... I'm not sure of it
2260 [18:15:01] <jelly> I'm sure I'd learn more about it if I had a Solaris installation and its man pages still available somewhere
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2266 [18:16:44] <greycat> replaced-url
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2268 [18:16:49] <n4dir> they differ from the installabe posix-manpages, jelly ? (i guess so)
2269 [18:17:44] <rafuch0> is a message i have to spot i am positive that is sending that message to tty
2270 [18:17:47] <greycat> oh, it's in open(3posix) too...
2271 [18:17:58] <rafuch0> but how to view it?
2272 [18:18:12] <greycat> turn on the monitor
2273 [18:18:16] <rafuch0> lol
2274 [18:18:51] <greycat> and yes, jelly, open(3posix) goes into more detail about it in a paragraph farther down
2275 [18:18:53] <jelly> rafuch0: you may want to be a bit more precise
2276 [18:18:56] <jelly> !ask
2277 [18:18:56] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2279 [18:20:14] <jelly> ah of course, "other conditions specified in the Base Definitions volume of POSIX.1‐2008, Chapter 11, General Terminal Interface"
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2283 [18:23:36] <jelly> Delvien: because you've only shown one "ip r" and I'm not sure which case it is for. Other stuff looks pretty much the same in both cases.
2284 [18:23:56] <Delvien> jelly: ip a and ipr are on the same screenshot
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2287 [18:24:34] <Delvien> jelly: its fine though gonna reinstall debian ( another guy was messing with this before ) and i think he installed something he shouldnt have
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2297 [18:30:25] <jelly> Delvien: ok. But I saw only one "ip r", not two.
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2302 [18:33:43] <Scorpion2185> CAn i install vulkan from sid? I am on 9 stable
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2304 [18:37:25] <Scorpion2185> or testing, without risking to break debian
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2310 [18:42:22] <f-a> hi: since a few days I cannot watch this livetream on Debian replaced-url
2311 [18:42:43] <jelly> Scorpion2185: it's probably already in testing
2312 [18:42:46] <f-a> should I file a but on chromium or to the livestream provider?
2313 [18:43:09] <f-a> it worked fine, so I guess they changed the format
2314 [18:43:11] <tehnull> have you tried another browser?
2315 [18:43:47] <f-a> tehnull: qupzilla does not pick it up, firefox neither
2316 [18:43:55] <Scorpion2185> jelly: I checked the debian package page there is the testing and the sid (newer)
2317 [18:44:13] <dob1> what is this ModemManager that I see on htop?
2318 [18:44:13] <Scorpion2185> Do I risk to break debian?
2319 [18:44:20] <dob1> I never installed it
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2321 [18:44:44] <Scorpion2185> I need minimum: Vulkan version 1.1.88, to support Transform Feedback calls.
2322 [18:44:51] <Scorpion2185> so testing is fine
2323 [18:45:20] <annadane> judd, checkbackport vulkan-utils --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch
2324 [18:45:22] <judd> Backporting package vulkan-utils in buster→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: glslang-tools, libvulkan-dev (>= 1.1.97).
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2326 [18:45:34] <annadane> (not sure if that's precisely the right package)
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2329 [18:46:07] <annadane> mesa-vulkan-drivers is in stretch-backports, for instance
2330 [18:46:24] <annadane> as is vulkan-utils, actually
2331 [18:46:30] <annadane> install from backports?
2332 [18:46:54] <Scorpion2185> I didi it but: I need minimum: Vulkan version 1.1.88, to support Transform Feedback calls.
2333 [18:47:03] <annadane> okay, fair enough
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2335 [18:47:12] <Scorpion2185> libvulkan-dev (1.1.70+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1)
2336 [18:47:19] <Scorpion2185> stretch-backports
2337 [18:47:47] <jelly> f-a: if you look at the source of the page and get the URL out of, this kind of works: mpv -playlist replaced-url
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2339 [18:48:15] <jelly> but probably only kind of
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2342 [18:49:38] <f-a> thanks jelly
2343 [18:49:40] <dob1> ok it's modemmanager package... why it is installed ?
2344 [18:50:24] <greycat> dob1: aptitude why modemmanager
2345 [18:50:25] <f-a> jelly: then I'll reportbug on chromium and see what happens, thanks again
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2347 [18:51:04] <dob1> greycat, network manager and task-mate-desktop
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2349 [18:51:42] <dob1> but I can't remove it... I don't see any importants packages that will be removed with it
2350 [18:51:45] <dob1> *can
2351 [18:52:00] <Scorpion2185> The interested packages are few so can I install from sid?
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2353 [18:52:18] <greycat> dob1: why can't you remove it? It's only a Recommends.
2354 [18:52:29] <dob1> greycat, sorry it was a typo
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2356 [18:53:04] <jelly> Scorpion2185: if you do that right now and they get pulled from sid in the meantime, you might end up with an installation of buster with some stuff that isn't from buster
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2359 [18:53:31] <jelly> ,v libvulkan-dev
2360 [18:53:32] <judd> Package: libvulkan-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.0.39.0+dfsg1-1; stretch-backports: 1.1.70+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.97-2; sid: 1.1.101.0-2; experimental: 1.1.106.0-1
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2362 [18:54:19] <jelly> Scorpion2185: do not mix stretch and sid.
2363 [18:54:20] <Scorpion2185> ok better wait then
2364 [18:54:32] <Scorpion2185> and same for testing?
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2367 [18:54:49] <greycat> Never mix stable with anything later than stable.
2368 [18:54:50] <jelly> Scorpion2185: buster, current testing seems to have 1.1.97 which is new enough for your needs?
2369 [18:55:00] <Scorpion2185> yes
2370 [18:55:30] <jelly> they you might try to install buster and see if it works well enough for your needs. It will probably be released as Debian 10 this year.
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2378 [18:57:05] <jelly> f-a: okay those birds are seriously cute
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2381 [18:57:26] <f-a> jelly: they are! and don't miss their parents feeding then!
2382 [18:57:28] <f-a> *them
2383 [18:57:36] <f-a> a mixture of cute and gore
2384 [18:57:38] <Scorpion2185> i had buster on a pc I was not able to the debian 9 pc on the network
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2387 [18:57:54] <Scorpion2185> *able to see
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2389 [18:58:20] <Scorpion2185> CAn in install apt install -t testing while keep stretch?
2390 [18:58:44] <chomwitt> should i install docker from a 3rd party repo or the one from backport?
2391 [18:59:28] <Scorpion2185> backport
2392 [18:59:41] <chomwitt> thanks.
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2394 [18:59:58] <Scorpion2185> you are welcome
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2396 [19:00:31] <jelly> chomwitt: docker is a fast moving target, not sure debian can keep track
2397 [19:00:32] <chomwitt> Scorpion2185: is there a container-os-virtualization system alternative which i should consider in debian ?
2398 [19:00:40] <jelly> ,v lxd
2399 [19:00:41] <judd> No package named 'lxd' was found in amd64.
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2401 [19:01:02] <annadane> lxc?
2402 [19:01:03] <jelly> maybe if you whip up something on your own with systemd-nspawn
2403 [19:01:07] <jelly> not lxc.
2404 [19:01:21] <jelly> something around lxc would be better.
2405 [19:01:46] <jelly> no idea if ubuntu's snaps for lxd would work on debian
2406 [19:02:00] <jelly> being "snap" they're pretty self contained
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2408 [19:02:41] <jelly> and debian does have snapd
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2410 [19:02:48] <chomwitt> so should i try lxd
2411 [19:02:56] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2412 [19:04:32] <jelly> most people who actually run docker and come asking things in here seem to use the packages from upstream, but see replaced-url
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2438 [19:19:25] <f-a> jelly: check now :P
2439 [19:20:11] <jelly> OM NOM NOM
2440 [19:20:18] <f-a> hehe
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2442 [19:20:33] <f-a> =D
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2474 [19:41:52] <chomwitt> but lxd needs snap..
2475 [19:42:44] <chomwitt> so that means either lxc or systemd-nspawn ?
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2509 [20:02:24] <ninjameister> :1
2510 [20:02:38] <GNU\colossus> chomwitt, if you're starting from scratch, I'd got for systemd-nspawn/machinectl
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2524 [20:08:02] <Sleaker> having some wierdness on an LTSP client. trying to figure out why stretch isn't resolving DNS via resolv.conf.
2525 [20:09:20] <Sleaker> don't have networkmanager or resolvconf installed on either the host or the client. the host uses /etc/resolv.conf and that seems to work.
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2528 [20:09:37] <Sleaker> on the client that gets the info via DHCP the same settings don't seem to work and it's ignoring /etc/resolv.conf
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2532 [20:11:10] <Sleaker> does net-tools provide that functionality?
2533 [20:11:15] <Sleaker> ,v net-tools
2534 [20:11:16] <judd> Package: net-tools on amd64 -- jessie: 1.60-26+b1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; buster: 1.60+git20180626.aebd88e-1; sid: 1.60+git20180626.aebd88e-1
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2555 [20:19:37] <dob1> why I see test1 test2 test1 test2 in kernel logs ?
2556 [20:20:56] <wr> dob1, probably log rotation
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2561 [20:21:49] <dob1> oh ok
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2573 [20:31:19] <SerajewelKS> is there an effort to backport buster's nvidia drivers to stretch? trying to backport it myself and it's being fussy about things i don't understand.
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2576 [20:34:18] <SerajewelKS> in particular, the source package in buster doesn't have debian/compat at all
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2578 [20:34:50] <jsubl2> hello
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2580 [20:35:42] <SerajewelKS> there is a build-depends on debhelper-compat (= 12) which i can't find any reference to in buster's debhelper manpage
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2582 [20:37:56] <SerajewelKS> replaced-url
2583 [20:37:59] <Sleaker> pretty sure that just means it needs debhelper version 12 or greater.
2584 [20:38:18] <SerajewelKS> but the manpage doesn't mention debhelper-compat at all and doesn't have a v12 compatibility level
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2587 [20:39:10] <SerajewelKS> so i'm very confused how i'm supposed to figure out what level 12 even does if the documentation that ostensibly describes level 12 doesn't actually
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2589 [20:40:09] <SerajewelKS> erm it does describe level 12, i take that back. i checked before and didn't see it and i'm not sure why. but it doesn't mention debhelper-compat and still says that debian/compat is required
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2591 [20:41:13] <SerajewelKS> so i guess the nvidia maintainers just aren't interested in supporting backports since v12 isn't present in stretch
2592 [20:41:19] <SerajewelKS> shame
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2596 [20:42:12] <SerajewelKS> especially since the version in stretch is not supported upstream anymore :/
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2615 [20:52:00] <girls> Hi, how can I manually download and - more importantly - manually install a debian package?
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2617 [20:52:29] <girls> is it as simple as using bsdtar on it?
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2619 [20:54:21] <jmcnaught> girls: on Debian 9 you can run "apt install ./foobar.deb" (the ./ path is necessary) or you can use "dpkg -i foobar.deb" to install a single package. Generally you want apt-get or apt to handle the downloading and installation for you, as they will also fetch dependencies.
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2621 [20:54:23] <jhutchins_wk> girls: dpkg -i <package>
2622 [20:54:40] <greycat> !apt install
2623 [20:54:41] <dpkg> You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>.
2624 [20:54:49] <girls> I'm not on debian, currently - that's my problem
2625 [20:54:51] <greycat> as an alternative to dpkg -i, if you need dependency resolution
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2627 [20:55:19] <greycat> do you mean, how can I extract the contents from a .deb on a foreign unix-like system? use ar and then tar+gzip
2628 [20:55:41] <jhutchins_wk> girls: We strongly recommend against mixing packages from different distributions.
2629 [20:55:58] <girls> greycat: yes, pretty much that
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2631 [20:56:04] <jhutchins_wk> girls: That way lie complete rebuilds fro scratch.
2632 [20:56:26] <puhdabear> Hello
2633 [20:56:32] <girls> My problem is, that apt decided to install an 686 kernel instead of the original 586 one
2634 [20:57:03] <girls> so I thought, I might just get the original kernel again and extract its files or something
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2636 [20:57:45] <greycat> ... but if you're on a system THAT HAS APT, then you also have dpkg, and you can use dpkg -i your_kernel.deb
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2639 [20:58:16] <girls> jhutchins_wk: complete rebuilds are what I'm trying to avoid - there's pretty much fine tuning on that machine running (if it was running ...)
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2642 [20:59:09] <girls> hmm, looks like arch does not have apt :-(
2643 [20:59:37] <victorqueiroz> I'm getting this when trying to install libsdl2-dev: replaced-url
2644 [20:59:55] <SerajewelKS> girls: why would you install a debian kernel on arch!?
2645 [21:00:00] <SerajewelKS> use arch packages, not debian packages
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2647 [21:00:07] <SerajewelKS> i don't know why debian is involved in any of this
2648 [21:00:38] <girls> I have a debian box which will not boot, because apt installed the wrong kernel
2649 [21:00:52] <girls> so I'm in arch now (different box, hdd attached) to cover up the error
2650 [21:01:03] <SerajewelKS> so boot the debian installer's rescue mode
2651 [21:01:20] <SerajewelKS> alternatively, chroot into the debian system and run apt from there
2652 [21:01:25] <SerajewelKS> (which is what the installer will let you do anyway)
2653 [21:01:33] <girls> chroot is a good idea
2654 [21:01:46] <greycat> !chroot
2655 [21:01:46] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
2656 [21:02:00] <greycat> instructions should be similar from arch rather than a rescue CD or whatever
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2658 [21:02:21] <girls> yes, I think, I know how to chroot
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2660 [21:03:02] <frikinz> there's even a short script on the wiki
2661 [21:03:19] <chomwitt> GNU\colossus: i was searching in web , and lxc seems interesting to me also. there are many tutorials and that counts for a newbie.
2662 [21:03:20] <girls> arch-chroot should work, too ;-P
2663 [21:03:45] <girls> thanks!
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2665 [21:04:15] <chomwitt> GNU\colossus: but i'll take a look also to systemd-nspawn/machinectl
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2682 [21:09:18] <mariok> good morning.
2683 [21:09:41] <mariok> yesterday I did ask in this chennel about my sound card not working in Debian.
2684 [21:09:53] <DammitJim> is there a way to configure a cron job to only run on the first Saturday of the month?
2685 [21:09:59] <mariok> After a Software Update I have troubles with my sound card
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2688 [21:12:04] <mariok> yesterday I did boot my system with a GRML Live CD and the sound card did work.
2689 [21:12:15] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: didn't you ask that a month ago? :P
2690 [21:12:17] <mariok> So I'm sure it's a software issue.
2691 [21:12:24] <mariok> how to debug it?
2692 [21:12:43] <SerajewelKS> mariok: which debian release?
2693 [21:12:52] <mariok> my actual problem: Pulse audio shows "Dummy Output"
2694 [21:13:07] <mariok> cat /etc/debian_version
2695 [21:13:08] <mariok> buster/sid
2696 [21:13:20] <DammitJim> no, but maybe while sleep walking
2697 [21:13:24] <SerajewelKS> hmm. you'd probably get more support in debian-next then.
2698 [21:13:26] <SerajewelKS> !debian-next
2699 [21:13:26] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2701 [21:13:45] <DammitJim> wait, what?
2702 [21:13:53] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: it's possible using a condition as part of the script, or using a systemd timer
2703 [21:14:01] <DammitJim> no problem
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2706 [21:14:09] <SerajewelKS> wait what what?
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2714 [21:17:03] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: e.g. 0 0 1-7 * * [[ $(date +%w) = 6 ]] && your-script
2715 [21:17:10] <mariok> Please help me to debug my Audio situation.
2716 [21:17:10] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: midnight on the first saturday of the month
2717 [21:17:34] <SerajewelKS> systemd timers can do this without a separate script check
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2719 [21:19:30] <pheo> join ###SCMR
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2721 [21:20:10] <greycat> oh fuck me, he cross-posted it here too
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2723 [21:20:41] <mariok> SerajewelKS: I can't join the debian-next channel
2724 [21:20:47] <greycat> it's not on this network.
2725 [21:20:56] <mariok> the IRC Server requires me to identify but I'm identified
2726 [21:21:05] <greycat> also you have to register on the other network. and that requires a visit to their web page. can't do it through nickserv alone.
2727 [21:21:52] <mariok> greycat: please help me here on this channel
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2730 [21:22:10] <mariok> how can I debug my audio setup?
2731 [21:22:11] <DammitJim> thanks greycat
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2733 [21:22:28] <DammitJim> I went to the bash channel because SerajewelKS told me to go to debian-next
2734 [21:22:33] <DammitJim> I was like... what the what?
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2737 [21:23:29] <mariok> 21:20 [OFTC] -!- #debian-next Cannot join channel (Need to be identified and verified to join this channel, '/msg NickServ help' to learn how to register and verify.)
2738 [21:23:40] <mariok> ^^^ I can't join this channel. Please help me here!
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2740 [21:24:19] <greycat> also you have to register on the other network. and that requires a visit to their web page. can't do it through nickserv alone.
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2744 [21:24:53] <mariok> greycat: I did register my nick on the Nickserv
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2747 [21:25:05] <EdePopede> mariok: on OFTC?
2748 [21:25:15] <greycat> Unless it CHANGED in the two months or so since I did it, registering on OFTC requires a VISIT TO THEIR WEB PAGE.
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2750 [21:25:33] <deep42thought> just a quick question: has debian finally dropped i486 and i586 support in the new stable?
2751 [21:25:36] <EdePopede> and if you /whois yourself, does it show your nick as registered?
2752 [21:25:38] <greycat> deep42thought: yes
2753 [21:25:42] <mariok> EdePopede: yes on OFTC
2754 [21:25:43] <deep42thought> :'-(
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2758 [21:26:18] <deep42thought> bye debian, hello archlinux
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2760 [21:26:29] <zleap> EdePopede: i think so yes
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2762 [21:26:45] <zleap> check the server tab after doing \whois nick
2763 [21:27:21] <EdePopede> mariok: did you also identify after connect? if so, you should either see the OK from nickserv or some error message.
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2766 [21:27:53] <zleap> i auto do that as I set up weechat to issue the commands on start up of weechat
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2771 [21:29:14] <EdePopede> zleap: are you mariok?
2772 [21:29:28] <zleap> no
2773 [21:29:33] <greycat> 15:29 [oftc] mariok|#debian-next> Hello guys
2774 [21:29:38] <greycat> looks like he got there
2775 [21:29:45] <mariok> yes it worked
2776 [21:29:49] <zleap> er ok
2777 [21:29:54] <mariok> I did identify myself and now i'm in debian-next.
2778 [21:29:58] <EdePopede> ah, well then. things are fine now.
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2780 [21:30:12] <zleap> i am in there too
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2782 [21:30:34] <mariok> okay so I'm going to ask my question in #debian-next.
2783 [21:30:35] <mariok> thanks
2784 [21:30:40] <EdePopede> good luck
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2791 [21:31:50] <dob1> should I remove from my sshd_config all the parameters that are marked as deprecated?
2792 [21:31:58] <dob1> (from the logs)
2793 [21:32:33] <greycat> probably a good idea to comment them out, yes
2794 [21:32:39] <dob1> KeyRegenerationInterval, ServerKeyBits, RSAAuthentication, RhostsRSAAuthentication
2795 [21:32:44] <somiaj> or update them to whatever they changed too, if they changed.
2796 [21:33:04] <dob1> these are the ones marked as deprecated
2797 [21:34:01] <dob1> I would like to be sure to comment them out because I can access only via ssh to the pc :)
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2803 [21:36:44] <noodlepie> Hiya guys! How's it going?
2804 [21:36:54] <Habbie> hi noodlepie!
2805 [21:37:00] <Habbie> my day is pretty good
2806 [21:37:03] <Habbie> how about yours?
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2808 [21:37:23] <somiaj> !chat
2809 [21:37:23] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
2810 [21:37:44] <noodlepie> Hiya Habbie, are you ok? I'm doing just fine - today was better weather than yesterday's rain!
2811 [21:37:44] <somiaj> It is nice to know everyones day is good, but we try to keep topic on support in this channel.
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2813 [21:37:52] <noodlepie> ok
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2815 [21:38:26] <dob1> seems that they are all options that apply to protocol 1 of ssh
2816 [21:38:38] <mutante> like "each first saturday of the month" is good
2817 [21:38:45] <mutante> should be possible with systemd
2818 [21:39:07] <dob1> I risk and comment out them :)
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2820 [21:39:31] <somiaj> I think there are some other options that restrict your system to only allowing ssh v2, so yea, removing those shoul dhave no affect.
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2825 [21:40:25] <mutante> dob1: you could do a cronjob that reverts sshd config changes 5 minutes later and then try. heh
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2828 [21:40:37] <dob1> mutante, I was thinking the same :)
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2835 [21:43:46] <dob1> it works
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2840 [21:49:04] <jhutchins_wk> I had a script that did that with iptables. If you didn't log back in and abort it, it reverted & rebooted.
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2842 [21:49:22] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: i did not tell you to go to debian-next
2843 [21:49:45] <SerajewelKS> DammitJim: that was for the person who was asking about audio problems on buster
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2893 [22:22:43] <timahvo1> Hi am trying to install the latest version of nodejs on debian stretch using this guide replaced-url
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2896 [22:23:28] <nkuttler> timahvo1: never curl | sudo *anything*
2897 [22:23:58] <timahvo1> apt-cache policy nodejs only shows the old version ttp://paste.debian.net/1080725/
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2899 [22:24:36] <nkuttler> well, who knows what that script did..
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2901 [22:25:36] <timahvo1> nkuttler: it adds an entry in /etc/apt/source.list.d/
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2903 [22:26:06] <mutante> funny.. that script does even more curl | apt and then installs a whole package manager
2904 [22:26:22] <nkuttler> timahvo1: let me guess, it doesn't apt-get update?
2905 [22:26:33] <mutante> so now you have to deal with 'yarn'
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2908 [22:26:54] <timahvo1> nkuttler: it does update
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2912 [22:28:08] <jhutchins_wk> timahvo1: I would imagine that you have both packages installed, and need to ask the tecadmin.net people how to switch between them, or to un-install the original debian package(s) which may have unintended consequences.
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2917 [22:29:32] <jhutchins_wk> timahvo1: If you're messing with bleeding-edge javascript, you should know how to deal with multiple version environments, if nothing else so you can test your code for backward compatibility.
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2924 [22:32:19] <timahvo1> mutante: installing yarn is optional the script doesn't do that for you just lists it as an option once it has run
2925 [22:32:34] <mutante> timahvo1: ah, ok. good!
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2931 [22:34:03] <timahvo1> jhutchins_wk: no only 4.8.2~dfsg-1 is pulled from main
2932 [22:34:50] <jhutchins_wk> timahvo1: Something is not the way you think it is.
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2936 [22:36:34] <SerajewelKS> !bat
2937 [22:36:35] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2938 [22:36:39] <SerajewelKS> timahvo1: ^
2939 [22:37:17] <victorqueiroz> Here's what happens when I start my computer with firmware-amd-graphics: Cooler starts to run VERY LOUDLY and I can't see no display. I think it might be a kernel problem. would you guys know anything that can help me?
2940 [22:37:25] <timahvo1> SerajewelKS: thanks
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2946 [22:41:22] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: Are you able to switch to one of the consoles?
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2949 [22:42:18] <victorqueiroz> No. I can boot up with `nomodesetting=1`
2950 [22:42:36] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: You get a console then, correct?
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2952 [22:43:18] <victorqueiroz> Yes, but GPU doesn't work. It works with 4.19. But stretch-backports is breaking my system
2953 [22:43:26] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: I would look at dmesg | less, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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2956 [22:44:34] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: Since this appears to be a testing-specific problem you probably want to ask in #debian-next. That's on oftc.net, not here on freenode.
2957 [22:46:13] <victorqueiroz> jhutchins_wk: I'm actually using Debian Stable. This was what I could find from /var/log/kern.log: replaced-url
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2959 [22:46:32] <victorqueiroz> `Apr 29 17:28:29 debian-desktop kernel: [ 4.300796] amdgpu 0000:07:00.0: Invalid PCI ROM header signature: expecting 0xaa55, got 0xffff`
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2966 [22:50:54] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: D'Oh. _stretch_ backports.
2967 [22:51:23] <jhutchins_wk> Anything in particular you need that kernel for?
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2969 [22:52:22] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: replaced-url
2970 [22:52:52] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: Interesting error.
2971 [22:53:10] <victorqueiroz> jhutchins_wk: I'm not using backports anymore. When I installed 4.19 on my old installation my GPU would work. It doesn't work on 4.9.0-9-amd64. So I'm looking for help so I don't have to use stretch-backports.
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2976 [22:54:19] <jhutchins_wk> victorqueiroz: If you paste "amdgpu 0000:07:00.0: Invalid PCI ROM header signature: expecting" into google you get a lot of interesting results.
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2980 [22:55:33] <victorqueiroz> Ok, thanks. Will check again. Maybe I should not install a new kernel, but an updated version of firmware-amd-graphics. What do you think?
2981 [22:55:45] <jhutchins_wk> Transit time for me, good luck!
2982 [22:55:54] <victorqueiroz> Alright, thank you
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3033 [23:34:38] <Delvien> ok so still running into issues. Debian 9 - setting static address - doesnt allow internet acccess (sometimes...) and when I run commands it sometimes gives me "cannot resolve hostname" even when opening things like nano
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3037 [23:36:14] <humpled> are you setting a static IP which is outside the DHCP range of your router?
3038 [23:36:32] <Delvien> yes
3039 [23:36:53] <humpled> oh great, just had to ask the obvious stuff first
3040 [23:37:00] <Delvien> not a problem :)
3041 [23:37:21] <Delvien> DHCP and DNS is running on windows server, scope is x.x.x.40 and greater
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3043 [23:37:56] <Delvien> for instance "sudo: unable to resolve host PCNAME: Connection timed out
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3047 [23:40:04] <humpled> oh maybe missed some explanation earlier, you're connecting to debian from windows with putty or something i guess
3048 [23:41:13] <Delvien> Yes, but that error message is from the session, not when trying to connect.
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3050 [23:42:11] <Habbie> is 'nano' giving 'cannot resolve hostname' or is 'sudo nano' giving that?
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3053 [23:44:30] <mutante> Delvien: is your host called "PCNAME" ?
3054 [23:45:20] <mutante> is that the name of the Windows server, the Linux machine or nothing ?
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3057 [23:46:46] <Delvien> mutante: no its named something else. just putting that in there to show what it is.
3058 [23:47:12] <Delvien> Habbie one or the other sometimes. its not every time
3059 [23:47:56] <Delvien> well this is odd... sudo is taking a LONG time to load any commands
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3061 [23:48:09] <Delvien> and then giving me unable to resolv host
3062 [23:48:38] <mutante> Delvien: uhm..ok.. but what it actually shows is the name of the Linux machine? first thing i would do is confirm that "hostname -s" shows the short version and "hostname -f" shows the FQDN as it should.. so including a domain name
3063 [23:48:41] <Delvien> ah found out how to fix that
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3065 [23:49:08] <mutante> sudo is not loading any commands.. that's odd
3066 [23:49:09] <Delvien> /etc/hosts was wrong
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3068 [23:49:28] <mutante> ok. that's what i was after :)
3069 [23:50:16] <mutante> yea. sudo needs to match host names.. it takes long because it can't properly look it up
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3071 [23:50:33] <mutante> so the FQDN version was also just "PCNAME" i suppose
3072 [23:51:16] <wald0> is there any reason why 'photivo' is not packaged in debian ?
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3077 [23:54:18] <mutante> wald0: something like .. years ago it was "liblensfun-dev (Need version 0.2.5, Debian has only 0.2.4!)" and then nobody wanted to spend the time becoming a maintainer
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3083 [23:57:26] <wald0> mutante: thanks, hum... this lib is pretty updated now
3084 [23:57:39] <wald0> actually photivo doesn't looks like to be updated since around 2 years
3085 [23:57:54] <wald0> i wonder if because is "perfect" or because obsolete project
3086 [23:58:06] <wald0> looked to be a pretty good alternative to lightroom for linux
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