• 0[00:00:12] <rant> I asked judd just to see if it might have been backported
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• 38[00:15:06] <magic_ninja> What is the best practice when installing software from source? I've heard you should install it into your home directory rather than system-wide.
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• 40[00:16:37] <EdePopede> magic_ninja: simply don't mess with the system. stay in areas where dpkg doesn't live. $HOME, /usr/local, and also /opt are safe.
• 41[00:17:23] <magic_ninja> EdePopede, so I would just change my install paths in the makefile?
• 42[00:17:52] <magic_ninja> Honestly, I would prefer to just install the entire thing in my home directory so it is always there.
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• 46[00:19:26] <EdePopede> as long as you're the only user it should make no difference where it is in the end. i only try to keep this kind of stuff out of my $HOME mostly, testing things and scripts i throw in are an exception
• 47[00:20:17] <EdePopede> don't even know about any recommendations when to use what, besides /opt being used by some external packages like chrome and similar
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• 55[00:22:13] <annadane> a bunch of software will install into /usr/local by default so i've just sort of been doing that
• 56[00:23:40] <annadane> when the software is finished compiling one can "whereis foo" to see where foo installed
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• 63[00:25:51] <magic_ninja> Well, I was thinking about doing three partitions. Swap, / and /home and just installing random script stuff to $HOME
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• 65[00:26:09] <magic_ninja> Using Timeshift for backup
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• 67[00:26:21] <magic_ninja> rather for system configuration backup
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• 69[00:27:11] <magic_ninja> I've never actually been in a situation where I need to set my system up that way.
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• 75[00:29:27] <EdePopede> annadane: but nothing from the repos i hope?
• 76[00:30:26] <annadane> well sure for things i want new versions o
• 77[00:30:27] <annadane> of
• 78[00:30:32] <annadane> it's reallt just emacs and vim
• 79[00:30:37] <annadane> i can't spell
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• 81[00:30:44] <indomitable> that's ok
• 82[00:30:45] <indomitable> no one can
• 83[00:30:51] <indomitable> they'd be a wizard elsewise
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• 85[00:31:01] <indomitable> avada kedavra!
• 86[00:32:04] <rant> only real reason for a swap partition is for hibernation
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• 88[00:32:15] <indomitable> then you're wrong, rant
• 89[00:32:19] <indomitable> how does it feel to be wrong
• 90[00:32:55] <rant> feels like you're ignore worthy, to be honest
• 91[00:33:37] <rant> swap files can be created as needed and deleted as needed.. swap partitions are harder to reclaim space from.. if you're swapping you're slowing down and out of ram regardless..
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• 93[00:33:49] <indomitable> I have a raspberry pi that needs swap
• 94[00:33:52] <indomitable> I assure you it never sleeps
• 95[00:33:55] <indomitable> or hibernates
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• 97[00:34:04] <rant> congratulations
• 98[00:34:11] <indomitable> anyway you seem willfully ignorant
• 99[00:34:13] <indomitable> good luck with that
• 100[00:34:17] <indomitable> I'm sure you'll be president some day
• 101[00:34:28] <magic_ninja> I think the works are a bit more complicated than that.
• 102[00:34:44] <magic_ninja> Specific programs can/will use virtual memory rather than RAM
• 103[00:34:57] <rant> yes an they will use it just the same in a swapfile
• 104[00:35:23] <indomitable> magic_ninja, you seem sensible, you can have an internet cookie
• 105[00:36:03] <EdePopede> rant: my other one with 4GB running live w/o swap does a better job than this one with 2GB, at least when firefox is running for a while
• 106[00:36:44] <rant> yes it will use swap if it has it and pages are not being used, then you will experience io overhead when it swaps in or out
• 107[00:37:10] <rant> the point I was making is that for as little importance as swap is, you can use FILES rather than PARTITIONS
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• 109[00:37:51] <rant> because partitions are more permanent, files can be created/deleted without modifying filesystems and partition tables to reclaim space, and as long as you're not hibernating your swap doesn't need to be in a PARTITION
• 110[00:39:21] <rant> dd bs=1M count=2048 if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile && mkswap /swapfile && swapon /swapfile and swapoff /swapfile && rm /swapfile
• 111[00:39:52] <rant> you wanna grow it beyond 2GB, just repeat the proceedure, make a 2nd file
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• 114[00:41:06] <metbsd> is there web application to manager debian server?
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• 120[00:42:01] <EdePopede> rant: the argument partitions vs swap has been speed. still an issue on classic hd?
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• 122[00:43:00] <rant> sure but many have ssd on much faster busses now, and if you're swapping you got bigger problems than how fast you're doing it typically
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• 124[00:43:28] <rant> and if spindle speed and geometry are your concern spreading swap across multiple disks easily with small swapfiles makes more sense
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• 126[00:44:15] <EdePopede> had 2 partitions for some time on 2 disks. both used to be system disks before and i never bothered repartitioning
• 127[00:45:15] <rant> swap is also good to have if you have probability of reaching your memory limits in your workflow.. say you have like 1-2GB ram and edit photos in batch in gimp a lot and you might tell it to open 10 too many one time based on their file size..
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• 129[00:45:30] <rant> swap will keep your system from totally hanging while you correct these things
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• 131[00:45:42] <EdePopede> what's really boring is to wait for the unswapping to finish after swapoff. tried it some weeks ago, took some time :>
• 132[00:45:47] <rant> but if you're getting to that point you're still slowing way down and have bigger problems to address
• 133[00:45:59] <EdePopede> OOM-Killer, yeah. met the bastard before
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• 135[00:46:49] <EdePopede> golden rule: never wait too long with RAM upgrades, should you have plans to keep the PC
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• 141[00:48:53] <magic_ninja> metbsd, ssh :)
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• 148[00:55:49] <rant> I have 8gb ram on this machine and 4gb swap in two swapfiles, my resident memory even using lots of browser tabs and vms running never really goes over 4gb, leaving half my ram to cache and swap is 0% in use.. I had a 128GB SSD, partitioning out that 4GB I may need if my work flow increases to avoid going to network or external disk for space, is not logical
• 149[00:56:37] <victorqueiroz> I just got a stuck on my ryzen CPU while using Debian. They happen in random and I don't know what to do. Can somebody help me please? I've read that some people are also having it
• 150[00:56:44] <rant> I dont use hibernate.. so I dont need to waste 8GB of my disk on swap partition
• 151[00:57:37] <rant> victorqueiroz: were you using superglue on your fingers before touching the cpu?
• 152[00:57:51] <victorqueiroz> What? 😂
• 153[00:57:54] <rant> heh
• 154[00:58:06] <rant> I'm ridiculing how vague you're being
• 155[00:58:31] <rant> victorqueiroz: did you attempt to issue any sysrq commands, read any logs, what do you mean by stuck?
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• 158[00:59:16] <rant> furthermore are you using cpu integrated graphics, that maybe this is a gpu related issue?
• 159[00:59:18] <victorqueiroz> Sorry. Is there a way I can send you a log or something? The freeze just happen sometimes. It completely gets locked, can't move mouse, turn on/off numlock, change to system bash (i.e. Ctrl+alt+f1/f2 etc).
• 160[00:59:33] <victorqueiroz> I'm using AMD GPU RX 490
• 161[00:59:53] <EdePopede> victorqueiroz: anything relevant in syslog or kern.log near the end?
• 162[00:59:53] <rant> victorqueiroz: the numlock is telling, but if it responds to sysrq is particularly significant
• 163[01:00:14] <rant> victorqueiroz: you can upload logs to paste.debian.net or cat log | nc termbin.com 9999
• 164[01:00:15] <victorqueiroz> It used to happen with another GPU and only happens on Debian. But I don't want to use another Linux distribution
• 165[01:00:22] <EdePopede> is sysrq on by default? don't remember if i hat to change this
• 166[01:00:34] <rant> yes its enabled by default in debian kernels
• 167[01:00:52] <rant> I personally always try a SAK before I assume the kernel hung completely
• 168[01:01:07] <rant> after trying the things victorqueiroz mentioned
• 169[01:01:24] <victorqueiroz> I already rebooted the system. Where can I find kern.log or syslog?
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• 172[01:01:45] <rant> probably in /var/log/kern.log.1
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• 174[01:02:20] <EdePopede> had this one before stretch, the same softlock for 23s > replaced-url
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• 181[01:03:22] <rant> victorqueiroz: furthermore if your CPU is particularly new, you may benefit from a newer kernel.. 4.19 as opposed to 4.9 is in backports
• 182[01:03:56] <rant> ,kernels
• 183[01:03:57] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 184[01:03:58] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
• 185[01:03:59] <victorqueiroz> kern.log: replaced-url
• 186[01:04:12] <rant> ugh
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• 188[01:04:18] <victorqueiroz> rant: I'm using 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-amd64
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• 192[01:05:35] <rant> I try to keep my dickishness to a minimum, but I find what you did there doubly offensive.. pastebin.com is ignorant because it has popups, heavy scripts, cookies, TLS, etc.. and its doubly ignorant cause you asked first and I gave you two cleaner options :P
• 193[01:06:00] <JohnDoe2> I'm trying to debootstrap a usb stick and it keeps saying "E: couldn't download dists/stable/main/binary-armhf/Packages". Do I need to specify where to look for armhf packages?
• 194[01:06:04] <rant> not to mention its probably in the /topic :D
• 195[01:06:40] <victorqueiroz> OK, sorry
• 196[01:06:50] <rant> JohnDoe2: you need to specify for one thing the command you issued..
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• 198[01:07:07] <JohnDoe2> true moo. debootstrap --verbose --arch=armhf stable ${MNT}
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• 200[01:07:29] <victorqueiroz> I use pastebin for a long time now. Would you have a better option to suggest?
• 201[01:07:48] <JohnDoe2> I also tried --foreign stretch (but that's not quite foreign since I am on stretch)
• 202[01:08:06] <rant> JohnDoe2: well thats the rub then, that arch was dropped
• 203[01:08:29] <JohnDoe2> that's a bummer
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• 206[01:09:04] <rant> oh, maybe I'm wrong
• 207[01:09:07] <rant> I thought they renamed armhf
• 208[01:09:20] <ozzloy> victorqueiroz, replaced-url
• 209[01:09:47] <rant> no, stretches release notes does say armhf
• 210[01:09:52] <victorqueiroz> ozzloy: Thank you
• 211[01:10:04] <victorqueiroz> The strange thing is that on my kern.log I can't find anything about 'panic' or lockup
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• 215[01:10:26] <ozzloy> victorqueiroz, thank rant, i just read above and found that from rant
• 216[01:11:02] <victorqueiroz> rant: thank you
• 217[01:11:13] <rant> JohnDoe2: but the --foreign thing is not for the BRANCH its for the ARCH because obviously a foreign arch like x86 cant execute arm code.. so it does as much as it can in one stage and leaves the chroot ready to finish the rest inside an arch that can support it in a 2nd stage
• 218[01:11:37] <rant> victorqueiroz: yes well if it really did hang hard it prob wouldnt have logged anything to disk
• 219[01:11:46] <JohnDoe2> ok that makes sense, so I'll keep foreign but it still fails to download
• 220[01:12:09] <victorqueiroz> I've read some guys with Ryzen have this problem but I'm not sure what to do. Would you have a suggestion? Maybe compile by myself latest kernel version or something?
• 221[01:12:24] <rant> JohnDoe2: yes well this is also why I asked the command so I could check the mirror you were using.. but you didnt specify a mirror
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• 223[01:12:50] <ozzloy> termbin is awesome! thanks rant!
• 224[01:13:23] <JohnDoe2> I have specified 2 mirrors I found online with the same result: replaced-url
• 225[01:13:52] <rant> JohnDoe2: well its also curious it says /Packages
• 226[01:14:08] <rant> JohnDoe2: replaced-url
• 227[01:14:49] <victorqueiroz> What is nc?
• 228[01:14:51] <rant> idk if because it only says /Packages if its looking for a file by that name rather than a zipped one or not
• 229[01:14:54] <JohnDoe2> it seems to want to attach dists/stretch/Release to the URL
• 230[01:14:56] <annadane> netcat
• 231[01:14:57] <rant> victorqueiroz: netcat
• 232[01:15:09] <victorqueiroz> Thanks. I'm testing termbin, seems promissing
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• 234[01:15:38] <rant> victorqueiroz: termbin was specifically designed for netcat.. and it displays output in plain text easy for people that may be on mobile, console only, ssh, etc to just fetch or view
• 235[01:16:21] <victorqueiroz> this is huge
• 236[01:16:30] <rant> victorqueiroz: you just gotta think about it that way.. people here are volunteering their time.. and may not be in an ideal environment to be messing with sites with popups, tls, javascript, cookies, etc and you may get less help just cause you didnt use a more friendly format
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• 238[01:17:07] <ozzloy> am i missing it, or does termbin have no syntax hiliting, even optionally?
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• 240[01:17:12] <rant> I for one hate that site and wont go to it unless I'm doing absolutely nothing else at the time
• 241[01:17:27] <rant> ozzloy: afaik it just displays in plain raw text
• 242[01:17:32] <ozzloy> k
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• 244[01:17:45] <victorqueiroz> rant: I understand, I'm sorry. Thanks for the tip
• 245[01:18:05] <victorqueiroz> OMG: replaced-url
• 246[01:18:17] <victorqueiroz> "curl replaced-url
• 247[01:18:23] <victorqueiroz> This is AWESOME
• 248[01:18:48] <rant> yeah.. hence why you should use such methods.. we have such things setup for our convenience for things like termbin and paste.debian.net
• 249[01:19:21] <victorqueiroz> ok, thanks
• 250[01:19:39] <victorqueiroz> so what about this kernel, what would you guys suggest me to do? I tried some kernel flags but I still have it from time to time.
• 251[01:20:07] <victorqueiroz> I mean, I'm assuming it's a kernel problem
• 252[01:20:25] <victorqueiroz> replaced-url
• 253[01:20:39] <rant> when you can't get output because it totally locks up all you can do is be more observant about whats going on at the time to try narrow down and reproduce it at will.. and then try experimenting with newer code
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• 255[01:21:54] <rant> I had an obscure issue I narrowed down to only happening when I chose "safely remove" on a usb drive after some caching had taken place.. using unmount didnt do it.. I believed it to be an obscure hw specific ehci (usb3 bug)
• 256[01:22:10] <rant> when I switched from the x240 to T440 it stopped happening
• 257[01:22:24] <rant> which is crazy really cause they use nearly identical hw..
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• 259[01:23:22] <rant> I used to when I ran into obscure hw issues go roll my own kernel with latest source until I found a solution.. but Linux 5 is so damn big right now I'd be hardpressed to make room to compile it :P
• 260[01:23:50] <victorqueiroz> What's wrong with linux 5
• 261[01:24:20] <rant> idk never used it.. heh.. I tried to compile it on here but no matter how much of my 128GB SSD I could free up, I kept running out of disk space building it
• 262[01:24:34] <rant> its huge..
• 263[01:25:00] <ozzloy> why is 5 so big?
• 264[01:25:04] <ozzloy> more drivers?
• 265[01:25:25] <rant> idk, I even spent hours trying to slim it down by tuning it as closely to just what I needed as possible
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• 267[01:25:50] <DemiGuru> was the SSD your primary or secondary disk? put it differently was it the same disk as the OS?
• 268[01:25:53] <victorqueiroz> rant: I suppose you use Debian. Is it possible to install it on my computer? WOuld that mess my AMD GPU drivers?
• 269[01:25:53] <rant> I'm not very familiar with the new debian targets.. last I really built kernels we still had kernel-package in debian.. now debian package creation is mainlined
• 270[01:26:21] <rant> DemiGuru: its my only disk.. I wasnt that concerned to go try using an external hdd to build it
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• 272[01:27:04] <rant> I'm pretty sure I tried it with 12GB free, and even as much as like 20 or so GB free and still ran the disk out of space
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• 275[01:28:01] <ozzloy> wait, 128GB wasn't enough? wtf?
• 276[01:28:13] <ozzloy> that's fhuge
• 277[01:28:19] <victorqueiroz> I'd like to be able to narrow down my kernel to only what I need. I've heard this really increase Linux's performance.
• 278[01:28:21] <rant> 128GB is my entire disk size, not my available freespace on the partition
• 279[01:28:36] <ozzloy> ah
• 280[01:28:50] <victorqueiroz> Let's try: replaced-url
• 281[01:28:53] <victorqueiroz> *-*
• 282[01:29:32] <rant> victorqueiroz: its not that difficult just time consuming.. menuconfig has lots of help in there and you just go through every option reading the help and cross ref your existing kern.log/dmesg lspci/lscpu/lsusb/lsblk and such system info
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• 284[01:30:04] <rant> victorqueiroz: and if you're especially new to it, and get adventureous, you may have to try a couple times :P
• 285[01:30:46] <victorqueiroz> rant: I've done it before, but I know it takes a LOT of time. specially when I was using Core 2 Duo
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• 287[01:31:04] <rant> well I dont mean the compile.. you can go screw off while it does that.. I mean the configuration
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• 289[01:31:24] <rant> going through all the options in menuconfig is what takes the actual time and effort
• 290[01:32:20] <victorqueiroz> I figured :(
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• 292[01:34:07] <rant> I recall trying one of the BSDs years ago, dont remember which one, but their kernel config asked maybe like 8 things.. and it was about as pointless as what color is your keyboard, do you like cheerios with or without milk? heh.. linux on the other hand has a TON of options, very detailed
• 293[01:35:40] <victorqueiroz> I just read that on Linux, the block layer is the API that software uses to access FS
• 294[01:35:49] <victorqueiroz> But in menuconfig here there's an option "Enable the block layer"
• 295[01:35:58] <victorqueiroz> Why'd I want to disable it?
• 296[01:36:25] <victorqueiroz> I think Linus spends too much time creating new options to menuconfig
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• 298[01:37:34] <victorqueiroz> Should be a script that scan your PC whole and just install everything that's connected to it (i.e. if there's a mouse of model X, it install it's drivers and other necessary configurations and that's it)
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• 300[01:39:32] <rant> yeah well I thought it'd be nice to have a tool to set the config to some automagic defaults based on probing too..
• 301[01:39:50] <rant> would make running through and verifying settings more quick and easy
• 302[01:39:59] <victorqueiroz> I wonder why isn't there anything like this?
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• 304[01:40:13] <rant> but a lot of it is preference and often kernels arent built ON the machine they are made for
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• 306[01:40:29] <rant> people usually build them on whatever hw is the fastest
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• 308[01:40:54] <victorqueiroz> hm: replaced-url
• 309[01:41:07] <victorqueiroz> "randconfig - New config with random answer to all options"
• 310[01:41:09] <victorqueiroz> Who uses this?
• 311[01:41:36] <EdePopede> rant: then a hw recognition tool would be the solution. collect the data, throw it into some obscure format like json and feed it to the configurator.
• 312[01:41:37] <victorqueiroz> Interesting! "tinyconfig - Configure the tiniest possible kernel"
• 313[01:41:44] <tvm> that's probably for testing random builds
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• 315[01:43:55] <victorqueiroz> ok, I'm compiling the kernel with tinyconfig
• 316[01:43:58] <victorqueiroz> let's see!
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• 321[01:48:12] <victorqueiroz> Kernel is compiled
• 322[01:48:15] <victorqueiroz> WTEFFE?
• 323[01:48:25] <pihahiroth> ding, kernel's done
• 324[01:48:42] <victorqueiroz> replaced-url
• 325[01:48:53] <victorqueiroz> Sorry
• 326[01:49:10] <victorqueiroz> irccloud has some kind of automatic pastebin. I don't know what that is
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• 328[01:49:20] <victorqueiroz> "Setup is 15452 bytes (padded to 15872 bytes). System is 397 kB"
• 329[01:49:49] <victorqueiroz> I'm about to boot from my new kernel.
• 330[01:49:51] <victorqueiroz> I'm scared
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• 332[01:50:20] <ozzloy> victorqueiroz, u can do it!
• 333[01:50:31] <ozzloy> you might have to try several times though
• 334[01:50:46] <victorqueiroz> It's locked in "loading initial ramdisk"
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• 336[01:51:01] <victorqueiroz> Probably didn't compile the essentials to run on Debiab
• 337[01:51:12] <pihahiroth> audience queue: areplaced-url
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• 341[01:52:01] <ozzloy> keep going! try just a little bit harder, buster!
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• 344[01:52:22] <ozzloy> (aside: they're so cute at that age)
• 345[01:52:25] <victorqueiroz> I'm going to try to configure makemenu
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• 347[01:53:04] <victorqueiroz> Wow. The tiny config is crazy. It even disabled 64-bit kernel 😦
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• 349[01:55:14] <ozzloy> good luck, i gtg
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• 364[02:07:33] <victorqueiroz> Well, I got another lockup now.
• 365[02:07:42] <victorqueiroz> 🚀😔
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• 416[03:02:15] <tehnull> can anyone help me figure out why I can't get the same sound quality from the mic in on my debian 9.8 box using audacity that I get from my phone or windows using the same mic? It seems like alsa is cutting everything above 15kz to get an idea listen to few seconds halfway through these 2 recordings replaced-url
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• 424[03:13:18] <Sveta> How do I disable action on closing of laptop lid? /etc/acpi/actions/lm_lid.sh and /etc/acpi/events/lm_lid do not exist.
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• 444[03:26:50] <CryptoSiD> Why isn't there a package php7.2-mcrypt php7.2-odbc php7.2-soap and php7.2-snmp in Debian stretch?
• 445[03:27:01] <CryptoSiD> I'm struggling to install these extension
• 446[03:27:25] <CryptoSiD> I've been able to install mcrypt with pecl but I'm unable to install the 3 others
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• 449[03:33:03] <jmcnaught> CryptoSiD: stretch comes with php7.0, not php7.2. The 7.0 versions of those packages are in stretch
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• 461[03:46:19] <CryptoSiD> php7.0-odbc : Depends: php7.0-common (= 7.0.33-0+deb9u3) but 7.0.33-6+0~20190412071436.12+stretch~1.gbp26747c is to be installed
• 462[03:46:42] <CryptoSiD> can't install php7.0-odbc either
• 463[03:46:47] <jmcnaught> !bat
• 464[03:46:47] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 466[03:47:15] <jmcnaught> that looks like you've got a third-party repository that some packages are coming from
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• 495[04:21:47] <victorqueiroz> I failed to compile kernel from source. It's stuck on pinguin logo 😭
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• 551[05:11:21] <laidback_01> I don't have a question about debian per-se. just that this printserver (CUPS) runs on debian. I have cups-pdf, all works well. in this current cast, I have a PDF Virtual printer which saves files off to /srv/mars/out
• 552[05:11:59] <laidback_01> I want to move these files to a domain file server which runs windows, but allows all the people be able to see the automatically generated files.
• 553[05:12:39] <laidback_01> my first couple of thoughts are to use inotifywait and have a script which will mount the smb share from windows server to a local dir, move the files, then unmount.
• 554[05:12:57] <laidback_01> but, before I write this... I wanted to see what other people had done... so here I ask.
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• 639[06:33:29] <thelounge879> Hello
• 640[06:33:36] <kirk781> thelounge879, hello
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• 667[06:58:51] <yaaict> where find the mount binary sourcecode
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• 669[06:59:09] <yaaict> what hapoened to ftp
• 670[06:59:30] <yaaict> in past the authors had ftp
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• 690[07:18:03] <laptop> hi for a amd athlon x2 1.7 ghz 2 gb memory and nvidia graphics driver, can I run debian, will it run slowly
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• 692[07:21:35] <diogenes_> laptop, sure.
• 693[07:21:39] <tehnull> should run fine
• 694[07:21:46] <tehnull> better than windows that's for sure
• 695[07:22:15] <diogenes_> just pick xfce or lxde
• 696[07:22:21] <tehnull> ^
• 697[07:22:27] <tehnull> <3 xfce
• 698[07:22:46] <diogenes_> xfce rocks!
• 699[07:23:10] <tehnull> only bad thing I have to say is on 1440p and 4k displays the ui elements are a bit tiny
• 700[07:23:31] <laptop> my computer barely handles puppy linux
• 701[07:23:42] <laptop> xfce overheast
• 702[07:23:49] <laptop> overheats the laptop
• 703[07:23:59] <tehnull> wut.
• 704[07:24:00] <diogenes_> tehnull, scaling is soon to come to xfce.
• 705[07:25:18] <tehnull> with xfce and plank my debian 9.8 install uses like 900mb of ram
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• 707[07:25:40] <diogenes_> laptop, then most probably your pc needs to be serviced, thermal paste and dust etc.
• 708[07:25:58] <tehnull> yeah something that old the paste is probably dust at this point
• 709[07:26:53] <laptop> debian works better than lubuntu why
• 710[07:27:08] <laptop> why does debian work better?
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• 712[07:27:39] <tehnull> because ubuntu is debian based
• 713[07:28:11] <tehnull> basically they take wonderful stable efficient debian, introduce a few bugs and gussy it up a bit
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• 716[07:33:09] <xtifr> with only xfce and emacs running on my laptop, it's currently using 400k
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• 718[07:34:12] <laptop> 400k?
• 719[07:34:14] <laptop> 400 mb?
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• 721[07:34:23] <laptop> xfce heats up the laptop
• 722[07:34:23] <mplsjoker> along with malware to provide them intimate details about its users.
• 723[07:34:30] <mplsjoker> replaced-url
• 724[07:34:31] <xtifr> er, yeah, 400mb
• 725[07:34:36] <laptop> I use about 128 mb at startup using icewm
• 726[07:34:41] <tehnull> Failed to execute child process "pragha" (No such file or directory)
• 727[07:34:44] <laptop> but chromium overloads
• 728[07:34:56] <tehnull> how do I get my keyboard media shortcuts working
• 729[07:35:09] <tehnull> that's the error I get when I try to do next track
• 730[07:36:24] <diogenes_> laptop, as a sidenote you could give a shot to antix linux but some knowledge is required there to configure the network since it uses wicd instead of nm.
• 731[07:36:57] <laptop> I am using antix and it is borderline slow
• 732[07:37:23] <laptop> it is in fact the only distro that runs on my computer other than debian
• 733[07:37:43] <laptop> but icewm sucks
• 734[07:37:45] <diogenes_> laptop, then try freebsd
• 735[07:37:53] <laptop> freebsd?
• 736[07:38:03] * diogenes_ hides behind a tree
• 737[07:38:20] <xtifr> debian gnu/kfreebsd :)
• 738[07:38:22] <laptop> i like debian
• 739[07:38:44] <laptop> did you ever read the story behind the creator of debian
• 740[07:38:46] <xtifr> (which I actually run in a vm on my desktop sometime)
• 741[07:38:50] <laptop> on wiki really bizarre
• 742[07:39:12] <diogenes_> laptop, i mean i had ome success running 20+ old machines on freebsd very robust,
• 743[07:39:27] <diogenes_> some*
• 744[07:39:28] <laptop> really but will freebsd run chromium
• 745[07:39:45] <xtifr> bsd kernel is fine, but I like gnu userspace better, so debian's bsd is my fav bsd
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• 752[07:46:45] <laptop> freebsd does not upport chromium
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• 754[07:47:22] <laptop> i will stick with debian
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• 757[07:50:04] <xtifr> wow, chromium barely runs on *anything*. yet one more reason for me to avoid it :)
• 758[07:50:25] <xtifr> not that I needed another
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• 933[11:04:11] <dob1> hi, if I have for example sda6 has some uuid, but I modify other partitions (delete sda4 or whatever) without modifying sda6, the uuid will change?
• 934[11:04:33] <dob1> I mean sda6 will become sda5
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• 937[11:05:10] <at0m> dob1: same if you move it to be 2nd disk, then it will become sdb6. uuid remains.
• 938[11:05:38] <dob1> at0m, ok thanks
• 939[11:05:48] <at0m> dob1: that's why you'd put UUID= in fstab
• 940[11:05:56] <at0m> not sdaX
• 941[11:06:05] <dob1> at0m, but If I resize sda6 ?
• 942[11:06:18] <at0m> afaik uuid remains with the partition
• 943[11:07:03] <at0m> dob1: otherwise, note the uuid somewhere then "tune2fs -U $UUID
• 944[11:07:04] <at0m> "
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• 946[11:07:16] <dob1> imho it is calculated from something related to start-end cylinder
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• 949[11:09:53] <dob1> ah, it's more simple, I found this "An uuid is just formatted (hyphens at specific places) random bytes so there's nothing magical about it."
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• 951[11:10:06] <EdePopede> dob1: that's definitely not the only parameter. i have some identical data disks with partially identical partitions, but different UUIDs
• 952[11:12:17] <dob1> just some stupid thoughts: if you clone an hdd with clonezilla, and try to connect the original one and the clone one to the same pc, what happen ? :)
• 953[11:13:39] <bazul> a black hole
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• 955[11:14:06] <EdePopede> <greycat> Stop doing silly things.
• 956[11:14:10] <EdePopede> remember? ;)
• 957[11:14:19] <EdePopede> but yeah. TIAS.
• 958[11:14:28] <EdePopede> and don't forget to report back ;)
• 959[11:14:41] <EdePopede> i'd say it takes the first one it finds
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• 961[11:14:59] <EdePopede> and why clonezilla? there's dd and even cp
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• 963[11:15:59] <dob1> EdePopede, you can't do an hard copy with cp, or you can
• 964[11:16:00] <dob1> ?
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• 971[11:18:37] <EdePopede> `cp $devfile $file` to get an image of your partition
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• 975[11:19:37] <EdePopede> and even for writing an ISO to a stick cp is sometimes recommended, not dd as would be expected
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• 989[11:23:05] <dob1> EdePopede, ah I didn't know about this
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• 992[11:24:12] <EdePopede> "everything's a file" can be surprising sometimes
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• 1009[11:31:05] <AnononA> how can i remove all terminal history
• 1010[11:31:10] <AnononA> rm -/.bash_history
• 1011[11:31:24] <AnononA> can i securely do it with srm -/.bash_history
• 1012[11:31:34] <AnononA> or in debian is there another method
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• 1014[11:33:15] <dngray> srm isn't a command so yeah
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• 1017[11:34:03] <dngray> you could use the shred command replaced-url
• 1018[11:34:13] <dngray> encryption is the best option.
• 1019[11:34:31] <dngray> or an amnesic environment such as a livecd
• 1020[11:35:23] <AnononA> like tails
• 1021[11:35:31] <AnononA> i have srm installed tho
• 1022[11:35:31] <epsilon> what dngray says, overwrite with dd or shred. Works on HDD, may not work on SSD where the device is deciding itself where to write
• 1023[11:35:35] <dngray> yes, because nothing is saved
• 1024[11:35:41] <AnononA> i have ssd
• 1025[11:35:52] <AnononA> thats why if rm works wondering if srm works same degree
• 1026[11:36:08] <dngray> i don't know what "srm" is that must be something custom your distribution has done
• 1027[11:36:19] <AnononA> i installed it
• 1028[11:36:27] <AnononA> its like rm but for secure deletion
• 1029[11:36:39] <dngray> okay so it works like shred.
• 1030[11:36:49] <dngray> replaced-url
• 1031[11:37:01] <AnononA> This command is a replacement for rm command. It works under Linux/BSD/UNIX-like OSes.
• 1032[11:37:18] <epsilon> year sounds like the same
• 1033[11:37:22] <dngray> but you should be mindful that the limitations of shred, also apply thre.
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• 1035[11:37:49] <AnononA> so how would one clear histroy with rm does this work rm -/.bash_histor
• 1036[11:37:58] <AnononA> rm -/.bash_history
• 1037[11:38:06] <dngray> it will delete it yes.
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• 1039[11:38:14] <AnononA> file ???
• 1040[11:38:20] <dngray> but you should be aware that it may be recoverable, the thing is with file shredders they've never been 100%
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• 1042[11:38:37] <epsilon> rm is more like delete from the index, not overwrite
• 1043[11:38:38] <AnononA> least its something so shredd and encrypt
• 1044[11:38:39] <dngray> and in certain circumstances the files may still be recovered, which is why encryption is best.
• 1045[11:38:44] <AnononA> you think is best go
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• 1047[11:38:51] <AnononA> what encryption methos would you use for it
• 1048[11:38:53] <AnononA> crpyt tools
• 1049[11:38:57] <dngray> you're best bet is to not store something
• 1050[11:39:05] <dngray> or use block level encryption like dm-crypt
• 1051[11:39:08] <epsilon> default encryption of debian installer, dm_crypt
• 1052[11:39:13] <dngray> yeah
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• 1054[11:39:50] <AnononA> what level of encryption
• 1055[11:40:29] <epsilon> if you have a machine you don't want to expose to others, I'd generally encrypt the disk (like laptops which can be stolen or private VM)
• 1056[11:40:33] <dngray> the archlinux wiki has quite a good write up replaced-url
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• 1058[11:40:44] <epsilon> use default encryption alg
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• 1060[11:41:12] <dngray> and by default the debian installer does dm-crypt /w LUKS
• 1061[11:41:40] <AnononA> i use veracrpyt
• 1062[11:41:48] <AnononA> but for terminal history im unsure
• 1063[11:41:48] <dngray> ubuntu if you used that installer and said "encrypt my home directory" used eCryptfs
• 1064[11:42:05] <dngray> yeah veracrypt though doesn't afaik have a boot loader thing for linux.
• 1065[11:42:17] <dngray> so you can't boot linux of a veracrypted disk
• 1066[11:42:33] <epsilon> vera is nice for windows, but I won't use on linux
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• 1068[11:42:46] <AnononA> really good for usbs
• 1069[11:42:53] <AnononA> hidden volumes are great
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• 1071[11:42:55] <dngray> you can use it to encrypt external disks, or containers once booted but yeah
• 1072[11:43:13] <AnononA> ok so for terminal history im still unsure
• 1073[11:43:15] <dngray> which is why veracrypt isn't what you want.
• 1074[11:43:21] <dngray> you want something like dmcrypt
• 1075[11:43:25] <AnononA> is this the path ill need rm -/.bash_history
• 1076[11:43:30] <AnononA> without rm
• 1077[11:43:30] <dngray> you may then use veracrypt after the system is booted.
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• 1079[11:43:45] <dngray> you may also set your terminal history to 0
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• 1082[11:45:00] <AnononA> are you sure vera crpyt dont have the support you were saying
• 1083[11:45:07] <dngray> it does not
• 1084[11:45:08] <AnononA> they are cross platform and have luks
• 1085[11:45:21] <dngray> yes but it does not have support for grub
• 1086[11:45:29] <AnononA> oh so no password on boot
• 1087[11:45:33] <dngray> which is probably the bootloader you're using
• 1088[11:45:36] <dngray> AnononA: correct.
• 1089[11:45:40] <AnononA> indeed
• 1090[11:46:00] <dngray> it may be possible with some custom configuration but yeah
• 1091[11:46:04] <dngray> not by the debian installer
• 1092[11:46:47] <AnononA> ok so should i just encrypt with dmcrpyt or shredd and encrpyt
• 1093[11:47:00] <dngray> actually it might be possible with chainloading EFI stubs
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• 1096[11:47:51] <epsilon> no dm_crypt does not support encryption of running filesystem as veracrypt
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• 1098[11:48:25] <dngray> the easy option is just to use dmcrypt
• 1099[11:48:41] <dngray> but if you need deniability then i would suggest using a amnesic environment like Tails
• 1100[11:48:45] <AnononA> so what file am i ecnrypting
• 1101[11:49:01] <dngray> (whole disk encryption this is we are talking about)
• 1102[11:49:26] <AnononA> ok i will work towars that for now i just need to remove history
• 1103[11:49:31] <AnononA> what commands do you know
• 1104[11:49:40] <AnononA> i dont store on this disk
• 1105[11:49:45] <epsilon> dm_crypt is usualy used on device or file/container containing own LVS / FS. Not on single files
• 1106[11:50:24] <AnononA> we are talking terminal history tho are you saying i can only encrypt that by doing hole disk
• 1107[11:50:33] <dngray> that is best
• 1108[11:50:43] <dngray> encrypting singular files can sometimes not work.
• 1109[11:50:44] <AnononA> does that require fresh install
• 1110[11:50:45] <epsilon> if you are new to this, I suggest an fresh new install following the debian installer with encryption option during partitioning the disk
• 1111[11:50:59] <dngray> yeah what epsilon said
• 1112[11:51:11] <AnononA> ok well i wont be doing that just yet
• 1113[11:51:24] <AnononA> so for now its scurely remove history thoughts
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• 1115[11:51:36] <dngray> well for now there's nothing you can really do
• 1116[11:51:44] <dngray> that will be 100%
• 1117[11:51:48] <AnononA> thats ok
• 1118[11:51:54] <AnononA> doesnt have to be 100%
• 1119[11:52:04] <dngray> so srm, shred is probably sufficient then
• 1120[11:52:23] <AnononA> perfect and rm -/.bash_histor way will do it
• 1121[11:52:33] <AnononA> or will i have to recreate file does it do it its own
• 1122[11:52:41] <dngray> but just so you know, in the future you should encrypt anything that is sensitive and not rely on deletion tools
• 1123[11:52:51] <AnononA> i dont and wont
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• 1125[11:53:31] <epsilon> depends what you want to achieve. If you just want to delete the history and do not expect someone stealing your disk physically and pay 10000+ dollar for filesystem recovery to gain that information...
• 1126[11:53:32] <dngray> you could do something like this replaced-url
• 1127[11:54:16] <dngray> ie HISTSIZE=0 in your .bashrc will stop there being any new history
• 1128[11:54:50] <dngray> i personally just use bleachbit every now and again to clear certain files
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• 1130[11:55:03] <AnononA> nice so up untill this point history wont exist or does it if the 10000 dollers come into it
• 1131[11:55:24] <dngray> well you really don't need 10000+ dollars ;)
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• 1135[11:55:48] <AnononA> i know
• 1136[11:55:51] <dngray> if prying eyes, then use something like shred, srm, bleachbit
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• 1139[11:56:01] <dngray> else use encryption.
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• 1142[11:56:12] <AnononA> with srm will the command i said work
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• 1144[11:56:24] <dngray> if you're worried someone might break your knees for the password then you shouldn't have it in the first place and something amnesic is probably the best option
• 1145[11:56:35] <AnononA> hahahahahahah i know right
• 1146[11:56:39] <dngray> i haven't used srm
• 1147[11:56:49] <AnononA> but you know the right path correct
• 1148[11:56:55] <AnononA> for where the history is stored
• 1149[11:57:08] <dngray> well i would just delete it and then set HISTSIZE=0 in bashrc
• 1150[11:57:13] <dngray> then there wont be any new history
• 1151[11:57:23] <AnononA> no matter what
• 1152[11:57:25] <AnononA> ???
• 1153[11:57:32] <dngray> yeah it just wont store any history
• 1154[11:57:41] <epsilon> replaced-url
• 1155[11:58:01] <AnononA> so its not deep in the bottom of the box somemwhere
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• 1157[11:58:32] <dngray> but having no history might be annoying for legitimate usability
• 1158[11:58:57] <AnononA> yeah i was just thinkning that
• 1159[11:58:57] <dngray> and if you're worried about that, you might be worried about "other files" that are created, and in that case something like Tails is still the best approach
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• 1162[11:59:20] <dngray> you could just create a cronjob that runs your srm command periodically
• 1163[11:59:29] <dngray> like once a day or every few hours maybe
• 1164[11:59:55] <AnononA> true that is the stock way to delet history this replaced-url
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• 1169[12:00:51] <AnononA> sorry clipboard
• 1170[12:01:08] <AnononA> rm -/.bash_history
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• 1172[12:01:17] <AnononA> is this the base way without worries
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• 1174[12:01:47] <AnononA> clearing it for the sake of clearing it
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• 1176[12:03:23] <AnononA> what is rm removing a file being cleared i know what its purpose is but how its doing it im not understanding
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• 1178[12:03:48] <AnononA> file getting put back to fresh start
• 1179[12:03:54] <AnononA> file getting deleted
• 1180[12:04:02] <AnononA> wipe file start again
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• 1183[12:06:04] <humpled> ?
• 1184[12:06:49] <AnononA> ive searched for bash history i dont find a file of any sorts
• 1185[12:06:50] <humpled> you remove the file it is still on disk and bash is still storing history from any open terminals, ready to put that into the file when those terminals are closed
• 1186[12:06:52] <epsilon> every filesystem has an index of all files / directoreis. rm just deletes the entry in the index where on the disk the file is stored. But the content is still on the disk and can be recovered
• 1187[12:07:53] <AnononA> ok awsome so srm may delete file but it says it replaces rm so...
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• 1189[12:08:17] <epsilon> srm/shred/dd overwrites the file and not just delete the index
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• 1192[12:08:42] <AnononA> so it wont still be there
• 1193[12:08:51] <epsilon> it's not default way of delete files, cause image you want 1TB of files...
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• 1199[12:10:20] <milktea> AnononA, you can disable saving history with "set +o history" in .bashrc or something
• 1200[12:10:36] <AnononA> witch is an option im considering
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• 1203[12:11:59] <AnononA> dngray,humpled,milktea,epsilon much appreciated for input
• 1204[12:12:28] <AnononA> seriously thank you
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• 1277[13:10:45] <uberwag> hi, i am following this tutorial: replaced-url
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• 1279[13:11:28] <uberwag> now i need to setup mail on my vps, but i want to use gmail smtp
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• 1283[13:13:15] <uberwag> i am not sure, but can i just install ssmtp and assume this will work? if i want to use bsd-mailx, the .mailrc file, would that be put in the root home? anyone can help me with this?
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• 1285[13:14:14] <uberwag> and is gmail the easiest to use in this case, or maybe some other free smtp? i know google seem to block based on ip and other criteria, i just want notifications from my server really
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• 1317[13:41:20] <dob1> the autocompletition doesn't give me @server01
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• 1332[13:47:34] <dob1> ? I never generated it by myself
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• 1359[14:01:44] <Lady_Aleena> Hello, when Debian (any release) choses to use a version of software, I can be sure that it is stable and reliable, correct?
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• 1399[14:38:03] <Nixew> I just installed peazip 6.7.2 Qt from peazip.org and when I try to start it, it wrotes this error: "/usr/local/bin/peazip: No such file or directory". What is wrong with it?
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• 1407[14:42:52] <slacker_nl> Nixew: #peazip would be more suitable for your question I think (if they have a channel that is)
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• 1410[14:44:12] <uberwag> hi, i am following this tutorial: replaced-url
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• 1412[14:44:20] <uberwag> now i need to setup mail on my vps, but i want to use gmail smtp
• 1413[14:44:30] <uberwag> in the tutorial they use bsd-mailx
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• 1415[14:44:37] <uberwag> i am not sure, but can i just install ssmtp and assume this will work? if i want to use bsd-mailx, the .mailrc file, would that be put in the root home? anyone can help me with this?
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• 1417[14:45:40] <slacker_nl> Lady_Aleena: with debian stable one could assume a stable software version from a package. They won't update the version just apply the security fixes
• 1418[14:46:27] <Nixew> slacker_nl: Unfortunately, the channel doesn't exist.
• 1419[14:46:56] <slacker_nl> Lady_Aleena: why you ask?
• 1420[14:47:13] <slacker_nl> Nixew: do they have a maillinglist?
• 1421[14:47:26] <slacker_nl> tI saw a github repo, so maybe open an issue there
• 1422[14:47:50] <slacker_nl> it's not debian related, debian doesn't have peazip in the repo's
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• 1426[14:49:29] <Lady_Aleena> slacker_nl, because I want to use Debian as an example when I write CPanel AGAIN to beg them to upgrade their Perl version. If Debian thinks a version of Perl is stable, why won't they think that same version is stable enough for their thing.
• 1427[14:50:39] <Lady_Aleena> CPanel 3 still uses Perl 5.8.8! It is driving me to tears at times.
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• 1429[14:51:37] <Lady_Aleena> I wish my ISP would go to Debian or something much better than CPanel, but I don't think Linux distributions come with pretty web interfaces like CPanel has.
• 1430[14:53:09] <Lady_Aleena> Sorry for ranting about that in here. I am happy Debian Jessie has Perl 5.20.2.
• 1431[14:54:13] <slacker_nl> Lady_Aleena: i think $cpanel install is way behind
• 1432[14:54:19] <slacker_nl> I see v54 on replaced-url
• 1433[14:54:27] <Lady_Aleena> slacker_nl, no s**t.
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• 1437[14:56:27] <slacker_nl> ask your isp to ugprade cpanel
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• 1440[14:57:34] <Lady_Aleena> I will in a few minutes when I call them about a cpanel issue.
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• 1445[14:58:47] <Lady_Aleena> When I get the nerve to upgrade to stretch, the upgrade doesn't touch things like my apache set up, does it?
• 1446[15:00:02] <Lady_Aleena> Or how I have it set up when I cpan perl modules, they go into my local perl directory, right?
• 1447[15:00:03] <slacker_nl> it can, if you tell it
• 1448[15:00:41] <Lady_Aleena> I don't want it to touch anything that has anything to do with apache or where cpan installs perl modules.
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• 1451[15:01:24] <slacker_nl> you oftne get a diff telling you what has changed and will be changed compared to your locally editted config. You could also use dpkg-divert iirc
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• 1453[15:02:02] <Lady_Aleena> Those two items are part of the reason I haven't upgraded yet. Fear I will lose it all.
• 1454[15:02:06] <slacker_nl> it will upgrade your perl, so you might need to reinstall modules from cpan
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• 1460[15:03:17] <Lady_Aleena> As long as the new perl install doesn't touch my home/ directory, I am hoping it will be fine.
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• 1463[15:03:43] <slacker_nl> it won't
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• 1466[15:03:59] <slacker_nl> if you are using perl in your homedir
• 1467[15:04:07] <slacker_nl> why don't you use something like perlbrew?
• 1468[15:04:15] <metbsd> anyone help?
• 1469[15:04:27] <Lady_Aleena> slacker_nl, I have a perl5 directory where cpan installs perl modules.
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• 1471[15:04:52] <slacker_nl> Lady_Aleena: I know, for me it installs everything in $HOME/.local/perl5
• 1472[15:05:10] <Lady_Aleena> slacker_nl, I didn't think about putting it in a hidden directory.
• 1473[15:05:22] <Lady_Aleena> slacker_nl, also, I don't know anything about perlbrew.
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• 1477[15:07:16] <slacker_nl> you can also use plenv
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• 1481[15:08:13] <slacker_nl> i don't use both of them, as I use system perl but then you don't need to worry about upgrading perl with debian (or other OS'es)
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• 1489[15:11:17] <Lady_Aleena> I use system perl as well. It is just easier.
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• 1492[15:11:57] <Lady_Aleena> And you use Perl?! 8) I sometimes feel I am the last person to use it.
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• 1505[15:17:02] <slacker_nl> I make my money by using perl ;)
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• 1509[15:17:58] <Lady_Aleena> Then you are better at it than I am.
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• 1517[15:20:14] <Lady_Aleena> Away to make a call
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• 1523[15:22:26] <lbr> slacker_nl, out of curiosity, where?
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• 1530[15:24:55] <Lady_Aleena> Well, call made, I will see if anything is done.
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• 1535[15:26:55] <Lady_Aleena> slacker_nl, thank you for letting me vent about this. I am so very frustrated about the perl version mismatch between my system and my isp's system most of the time.
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• 1553[15:40:08] <slacker_nl> lbr: zaaksyteem.nl
• 1554[15:40:16] <slacker_nl> lbr: zaaksysteem.nl
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• 1560[15:40:53] <thefish> Hi everyone, I am new here
• 1561[15:41:00] <thefish> first time asking a question about Debian on IRC
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• 1564[15:41:31] <phazon> !ask
• 1565[15:41:31] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1566[15:42:03] <thefish> how long will Jessie get security updates?
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• 1569[15:42:52] <phazon> thefish: will likely cease shortly after buster is released
• 1570[15:43:32] <phazon> there is a short window of oldoldstable being supported, but not for long
• 1571[15:44:01] <humpled> :|
• 1572[15:44:12] <phazon> even jessie isn't even really supported, just kinda tolerated
• 1573[15:44:50] <Lady_Aleena> At least its tolerated. I haven't upgraded yet too.
• 1574[15:44:55] <phazon> thefish: you should upgrade, if possible; jessie is ancient at this point
• 1575[15:45:10] <lbr> slacker_nl, thanks. Google-translated version looks promising!
• 1576[15:45:23] <thefish> I am hosting PHP5 websites on Jessie. Only have a few left. Most of our sites are on Stretch now (PHP7). Anyway to keep running PHP 5 sites after Jessie stops getting security patches?
• 1577[15:45:58] <phazon> you can keep running anything; doing so securely is another matter altogether
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• 1582[15:49:31] <slacker_nl> lbr: it is :)
• 1583[15:49:31] <thefish> on Stretch can I just change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to "stable" instead of "stretch" will it roll over to Buster when that is released?
• 1584[15:50:04] <phazon> it'll probably break some stuff
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• 1589[15:51:23] <lbr> thefish, I'd wait a month or two before upgrading anything...
• 1590[15:51:24] <phazon> if you upgrade from jessie to stretch to buster, it should be ok. jessie to buster, there are no guarantees, and stuff may break.
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• 1599[15:55:46] <thefish> My understanding is that “stable” points to whatever the current stable version is. So today that is Stretch. So what is the difference between using deb replaced-url
• 1600[15:56:38] <slacker_nl> hmm php5 has been EOL for over 5 years?
• 1601[15:56:41] <thefish> phazon: I would go from Stretch to Buster. not sure what I am going to do with Jessie since I need to keep PHP 5 for now (customers slow to upgrade)
• 1602[15:56:46] <phazon> nothing right now; but if you wait, it'll point to buster
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• 1604[15:57:32] <phazon> thefish: could try backporting all the patches yourself...
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• 1607[15:58:06] <thefish> slacker nl: I know, it's is a PITN. I have about 6 customers who have PHP 5 sites that do not want to upgrade and I am in feeling like refactoring their code for free
• 1608[15:58:27] <slacker_nl> thefish: you could build a php5 docker file and run that
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• 1611[15:58:45] <slacker_nl> s/docker file/docker container/
• 1612[15:59:08] <phazon> thefish: or kick them in the ass and force the switch; people hate upgrades -- for good reason -- but they're a necessary evil
• 1613[15:59:23] <thefish> phazon: so if I want to have a box that rolls from Stretch to Buster to whatever-comes-next then I should just point to "stable" instead of the code name?
• 1614[15:59:32] <phazon> thefish: yea
• 1615[16:00:20] <thefish> phazon: so in Debian world this is a semi-rolling release in the sense that I can go from one major release to the next without re-installing? Correct?
• 1616[16:00:22] <phazon> i always wait for point releases so things settle down from x.0
• 1617[16:00:50] <themill> yeah, no, don't use 'stable' in your sources.lit
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• 1620[16:01:41] <thefish> themill: why not? What would you suggest to go to the next version? wait for it to come out and then change "stretch" to "buster" in sources.list
• 1621[16:01:45] <themill> Upgrading between releases is far from trivial and should be something you make a deliberate decision to do
• 1622[16:01:45] <slacker_nl> thefish: I would start billing them extra to maintain legacy software
• 1623[16:02:14] <themill> thefish: if you want to use stretch, then use 'stretch' in your sources.list; if you want to run buster, then use 'buster' in your sources.list
• 1624[16:02:52] <slacker_nl> and dockerize their environments, so you only have to maintain a dockerfile instead of a full server (that you can upgrade when you feel like it)
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• 1628[16:03:45] <thefish> slacker_nl: that is a good idea.
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• 1631[16:05:36] <thefish> phazon: these customers don't hate upgrades. they simply don't understand *why* they need to upgrade and will not until their sites get hacked and then they will blame me (the hosting company) for running an insecure server (as they will see it).
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• 1634[16:06:55] <lbr> thefish, maybe share these concerns with your friendly legal / lawyer?
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• 1636[16:07:25] <thefish> lbr: yeah, we are a small hosting company. no legal department
• 1637[16:07:51] <slacker_nl> thefish: I think telling your customers that php5 isn't supported anymore tby the php community should be enough reason to upgrade
• 1638[16:08:11] <lbr> Consider checking-in with private practise, what if client decides to sue you for damages?
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• 1640[16:09:21] <thefish> lbr: that is a good point. My thinking is that we provide the web space and are not responsible for the blob of code that you choose to run inside it.
• 1641[16:09:44] <thefish> slacker_nl: I have to be more forceful with them. Yes, that is a good point.
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• 1647[16:10:52] <thefish> lbr: it is an interesting dance when we are both a hosting company *and* a software company. Customers upload a WordPress site that uses out-of-date plugins and it gets hacked with a redirect or something like that. they think it's our fault
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• 1650[16:11:34] <slacker_nl> thefish: give them a 6 month timeframe to upgrade to the lastest and greatest php version and decommission the servers
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• 1654[16:11:53] <lbr> thefish, if you have ever touched their code (especially something as substantial as "refactoring") and received monetary compensation for it (payment for hosting might count), I would strongly suggest to disclose it to the practise of your choice.
• 1655[16:12:02] <lbr> practise == legal practise.
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• 1661[16:15:55] <thefish> lbr: that is a good point. I hadn't thought of that. some of them I have grep'ed and removed hacked code
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• 1663[16:16:50] <thefish> lbr: then it gets hacked again, and again because whoever built the site is using some ancient plugin with a well-known flaw.
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• 1668[16:17:55] <uberwag> heirloom-mailx is not installed by default, but can i use mailutils to setup the way i used to do with heirloom-mailx, with gmail smtp
• 1669[16:18:18] <uberwag> seems bsd-mailx cannot use gmail smtp
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• 1671[16:18:21] <uberwag> but i can be wrong
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• 1673[16:19:11] <thefish> thanks for the suggestions guys. I got some work to do. enjoy the rest of your day
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• 1687[16:27:41] <Habbie> i know this is a -very- generic question, but i have to try: i did a fresh install of debian buster on a new thinkpad, with dm-crypt/luks, and the default desktop environment (gnome?)
• 1688[16:27:53] <Habbie> within minutes of startup, the whole system hangs
• 1689[16:27:55] <Habbie> 'where do i start'
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• 1691[16:28:57] <slacker_nl> boot from a live cd, mount the disks and look at the logs?
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• 1693[16:29:15] <lbr> Habbie, dmesg, don't start X automatically.
• 1694[16:29:53] <tugrik> also with that live CD, just run the system for a few minutes, see if the system hangs anyway
• 1695[16:29:58] <uberwag> is heirloom-mailx like not advisable to use anymore and should i configure using s-nail?
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• 1697[16:30:34] <xceejay> hello
• 1698[16:30:36] <tugrik> Habbie: as a *new* thinkpad it shouldn't have any hardware issues, but best to eliminate those first IMHO
• 1699[16:30:41] <xceejay> new on irc
• 1700[16:30:43] <xceejay> wondering how it works
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• 1702[16:31:10] <Habbie> tugrik, windows runs fine, is the one datapoint i have for now
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• 1705[16:31:29] <tugrik> ah, then it's probably not temperature or other h/w weirdness, that's good
• 1706[16:31:40] <Habbie> except dmesg complains about temperature weirdness
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• 1708[16:32:02] <Habbie> lots of 'cpu clock throttled' directly after startup, even before X (or is it wayland?) starts
• 1709[16:32:06] <tugrik> ah, go on Habbie
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• 1711[16:32:26] <tugrik> hmmm, I'd have to google that, might just be the way the processor works
• 1712[16:32:34] <Habbie> and then immediately after it says 'temperature normal'
• 1713[16:32:35] <lbr> Habbie, try disabling C-states until it works?..
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• 1716[16:32:42] <xceejay> dafaq\
• 1717[16:32:48] <Habbie> lbr, that's a good idea
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• 1719[16:33:11] <xceejay> uninstall wayland
• 1720[16:33:19] <Habbie> xceejay, hmm?
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• 1723[16:33:43] <tugrik> that is a good idea lbr, and I just learnt how easy that appears to be....
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• 1725[16:34:20] <tugrik> thanks
• 1726[16:34:22] <hizb> هلا
• 1727[16:34:31] <hizb> hi
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• 1731[16:35:25] <xceejay> Habbie. why?
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• 1736[16:36:11] <xceejay> when does debian jessie come out
• 1737[16:36:13] <Habbie> on reboot from rescue mode, nouveau is complaining 'Refused to change power state'
• 1738[16:36:35] <lbr> Habbie, also try updating to 4.19 kernel available through backports and ensure that latest "intel-microcode" package is present.
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• 1741[16:36:58] <Habbie> lbr, ack - thank you for indulging my broad and vague question with exactly the kind of things that make a lot of sense once you say them :)
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• 1743[16:37:26] <lbr> Habbie, you are welcome.
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• 1773[16:51:22] <Habbie> max_cstate=1 did not do the trick
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• 1793[16:56:44] <JyZyXEL> how come the debian 9.9 release announcement comes before the packages are even available at the mirrors?
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• 1797[16:57:36] <phazon> it takes time for the release to propagate across mirrors
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• 1806[17:02:24] <Habbie> stable for 9 minutes now: intel_idle.max_cstate=1 acpi_osi=Linux
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• 1817[17:07:55] <Habbie> lbr, preliminary results: acpi_osi=Linux is what i needed, and i don't even need to limit cstates
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• 1830[17:14:48] <dob1> why I don't find libpam-smbpass in stretch ?
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• 1835[17:15:58] <Habbie> lbr, btw, this being buster, the kernel is 4.19 already!
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• 1837[17:17:11] <lbr> Habbie, glad it works now. However, please remember that until it's released sec-team isn't taking care of the distribution.
• 1838[17:17:21] <Habbie> lbr, it's understood, thank you
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• 1867[17:31:45] <Tenkawa> on stable
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• 1891[17:44:05] <uberwag> when using the default s-nail and bsd-mailx on debian9, i always get "Mailing to remote domains not supported", i can reconfigure exim4, but i really not want to setup any imcoming smtp, all i need is to use gmail smtp which i used to do with heirloom-mailx
• 1892[17:44:49] <uberwag> i can install heirloom-mailx, which i did, but then mail/mailx commands not working (not found)
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• 1896[17:45:44] <uberwag> btw, if i install hairloom-mailx and i just run hairloom-mailx, the mail is nicely delivered with the gmail smtp
• 1897[17:46:06] <uberwag> seems to be much easier with hairloom-mailx than it is with s-nail/bds-mailx
• 1898[17:46:14] <uberwag> :S
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• 1917[17:57:06] <sharp15> has anyone tried to install hplip-3.19.3 on debian stretch?
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• 1963[18:32:51] <mrshroomy> helllo
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• 1965[18:33:22] <mrshroomy> where can i find questions about audio in Linux?
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• 1967[18:34:45] <sharp15> uh. most people already have questions. are you looking for answers? or something else?
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• 1970[18:36:41] <mrshroomy> i mean answers
• 1971[18:37:08] <nkuttler> check this crazy website: google.com
• 1972[18:37:34] <sharp15> ok. are you using debian? not ubuntu or mint they have their own channels.
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• 1975[18:39:26] <mrshroomy> MX Linux but this is a question about all linux software
• 1976[18:39:55] <mrshroomy> its either about pulseaudio, jack or alsa
• 1977[18:40:07] <mrshroomy> or some other software which i dont know
• 1978[18:40:10] <mrshroomy> replaced-url
• 1979[18:40:30] <nkuttler> mrshroomy: ##linux
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• 1993[18:46:42] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 1997[18:47:31] <nkuttler> ,kernels
• 1998[18:47:32] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 1999[18:47:33] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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• 2001[18:48:03] <annadane> i guess they haven't hit the mirrors yet and i should just do a regular upgrade first
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• 2003[18:48:17] <nkuttler> annadane: jessie was removed from the mirrors
• 2004[18:48:22] <annadane> this is stretch
• 2005[18:48:31] <nkuttler> hrm
• 2006[18:48:49] <annadane> release email from 9.9 makes mention of something to do with icedtea but it's not a removal?
• 2007[18:48:50] <nkuttler> !bat
• 2008[18:48:51] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2010[18:49:14] <annadane> okay
• 2011[18:49:46] <wally1337> what's the easiest way to determine kernel version again?
• 2012[18:49:50] <wally1337> uname -r?
• 2013[18:50:12] <wally1337> oh yeah 4.9.*
• 2014[18:50:38] <annadane> oh, hm
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• 2016[18:50:49] <wally1337> 4.9.07 for me
• 2017[18:50:51] <annadane> i see a "these packages are recommended but will not be installed" and it has i386 in the name
• 2018[18:51:00] <annadane> so i probably need to install some 32 bit package
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• 2020[18:51:17] <nkuttler> fwiw, icedtea was removed
• 2021[18:51:33] <nkuttler> yup, default-java-plugin too
• 2022[18:51:37] <nkuttler> replaced-url
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• 2024[18:52:31] <nkuttler> !multiarch
• 2025[18:52:31] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
• 2026[18:52:34] <annadane> default-java-plugin{u} icedtea-netx{u} icedtea-netx-common{u}
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• 2028[18:52:45] <annadane> so, yeah, that's all there is in the removal list, i can just go ahead with that
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• 2036[18:56:38] <annadane> actually going to do a regular upgrade first just in case that solves the conflicts
• 2037[18:57:17] <A47> annadane: sounds like a good idea!
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• 2055[19:06:59] <annadane> okay so i guess that all worked out, though i got complaints about mismatching nvidia, i wonder if i should've done the update in a tty
• 2056[19:07:13] <annadane> don't know whether that affects anything
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• 2059[19:09:21] <XsiSec> hi guys I trying to run an application though I face following issue --> replaced-url
• 2060[19:09:36] <XsiSec> I also have installed the packages for both python + python3
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• 2062[19:12:45] <jmcnaught> XsiSec: are you using a third party python 3?
• 2063[19:12:46] <annadane> sigh i really wish there was a verbatim apt log
• 2064[19:12:53] <annadane> as opposed to just one for dpkg transactions
• 2065[19:12:55] <sharp15> i have a debian box with a default sudoers file. i added my user to group sudo then logged out and in. according to sudoers "sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" i should be able to "sudo shutdown -h now". except i get a not authorized notice. any ideas?
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• 2071[19:14:03] <jmcnaught> sharp15: can you do sudo anything else? like "sudo ls"
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• 2076[19:17:10] <XsiSec> jmcnaught, I dont know how can I see that?
• 2077[19:17:36] <sharp15> jmcnaught: the response is "<username> is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported"
• 2078[19:17:41] <XsiSec> jmcnaught, here is some more info --> replaced-url
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• 2083[19:19:36] <annadane> i guess i should screen record my updates...
• 2084[19:19:39] <jmcnaught> XsiSec: "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/runpy.py" shows that you're not using the python that comes with Debian. Also you're trying to use other software (oomox and gi?) that don't come with Debian, so you might need to ask for help in the support channel(s) for that software
• 2085[19:20:05] <jmcnaught> sharp15: and if you run "groups" as that user, sudo is in the list?
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• 2087[19:20:24] <XsiSec> oh many thanks jmcnaught how could I restore (remove & purge the installed pythons + get the default once? )
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• 2089[19:21:00] * n_1-c_k is puzzled that he can use sudo yet is *not* in the sudo group
• 2090[19:21:08] <XsiSec> jmcnaught, is this is a good way ? --> replaced-url
• 2091[19:21:53] <jmcnaught> XsiSec: if you installed python 3.7 via some other method than using APT then you cannot remove it using APT
• 2092[19:22:08] <sharp15> jmcnaught: yes it is in the output of both 'groups' and 'id'
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• 2094[19:22:41] <XsiSec> I could sucessfuly run sudo apt-get remove python3
• 2095[19:22:47] <jmcnaught> XsiSec: that's not a good way. You cannot safely mix stable and testing
• 2096[19:23:07] <jmcnaught> what's wrong with python 3.5?
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• 2100[19:23:26] <annadane> i still don't understand what i did but i guess there's no issues and apt doesn't complain so don't look a gift horse etc
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• 2104[19:24:03] <XsiSec> jmcnaught, now I only have got python 2.7 installed
• 2105[19:24:20] <XsiSec> how would u like me to proceed to get the python that comes with debian stretch?
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• 2111[19:26:33] <jmcnaught> sharp15: fresh install? does the line for sudo group in sudoers have the %? "%sudoALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL"? (It's missing in your example)
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• 2113[19:27:15] <sharp15> jmcnaught: not fresh. i might have deleted it by mistake when i first opened it.
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• 2116[19:28:05] <sharp15> jmcnaught: that fixed it.
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• 2118[19:28:08] <sharp15> jmcnaught: ty.
• 2119[19:28:11] <jmcnaught> XsiSec: I don't know why you would remove python3 in the first place, but if you ran "apt remove python3" or something like that, then you probably removed the official python3. You also have python installed in /usr/local. Debian doesn't install software to /usr/local, so you did that some other way
• 2120[19:28:22] <Ormu> o/
• 2121[19:28:58] <XsiSec> since you told me I didnt had have the python that comes with debian stretch thats why
• 2122[19:29:01] <Ormu> is this official/recommended by Debian devs/maintainers? replaced-url
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• 2124[19:29:12] <XsiSec> also I need to be able to install gi for python3
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• 2126[19:29:51] <jmcnaught> 13:21 < jmcnaught> XsiSec: if you installed python 3.7 via some other method than using APT then you cannot remove it using APT
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• 2128[19:31:50] <jmcnaught> you have python in /usr/local, somewhere that Debian would not put it. If you cannot remember how it got there, then as far as I know your system could be beyond repair
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• 2133[19:34:34] <XsiSec> you gives really double signals totally missunderstanding of the communcation here. I do this on my own instead of tell people what to do next time, if you not sure.. tell instead u need more info man
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• 2135[19:35:03] <jmcnaught> XsiSec: nobody told you to run "apt-get remove python3"
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• 2139[19:35:56] <XsiSec> you told me I didnt have the python that comes with debian stretch, when I in fact had man, but take care dude just heads up for u ^
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• 2142[19:36:29] <annadane> "whereis python3"?
• 2143[19:36:47] <annadane> oh they left.
• 2144[19:36:49] <annadane> !next
• 2145[19:36:49] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 2147[19:37:46] <Ormu> :|
• 2148[19:38:03] <Habbie> hmm, installing firmware-misc-nonfree breaks gdm for me
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• 2150[19:38:07] <Habbie> (buster)
• 2151[19:38:11] <annadane> !debian-next
• 2152[19:38:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2156[19:38:17] <jmcnaught> Ormu: office images wouldn't be on github
• 2157[19:38:23] <Habbie> oh thanks
• 2158[19:38:26] <jmcnaught> ^office^official
• 2159[19:38:45] <jmcnaught> annadane: I think we're supporting buster in here now that release is coming soon
• 2160[19:38:54] <Ormu> Ok. But would debian maintainers/developers recommend using those scripts to build a Debian image for RasPi?
• 2161[19:40:00] <Ormu> using those scripts looks like a straightforward solution
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• 2165[19:41:18] <DustyDingo> hm, what is debians default filesystem for /tmp ?
• 2166[19:41:30] <DustyDingo> tmpfs or ext4?
• 2167[19:41:43] <Ormu> I would guess it's tmpfs, just my 2cents
• 2168[19:42:16] <Habbie> my /tmp is just part of the root filesystem, but i did manual partitioning
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• 2170[19:42:49] <annadane> i guess for default it should just be ext4
• 2171[19:42:57] <annadane> as yes it's just part of /
• 2172[19:43:43] <jmcnaught> same here, /tmp is part of /
• 2173[19:43:44] <DustyDingo> yeah, i just set up an lvm manually, so i wonder if i have diverted from the recomended way to set it up
• 2174[19:44:23] <Ormu> oh
• 2175[19:44:25] <annadane> anything in particular that leads you to this line of inquiry - problems etc - or just curious?
• 2176[19:44:27] <DustyDingo> well, if for e.g. in guided partition mode, you choose separate partition for /tmp /var /home, i wonder what it defaults to then
• 2177[19:44:49] <Ormu> I botted my laptop to check, and yes, /tmp is not tmpfs (according to /etc/mtab)
• 2178[19:44:52] <annadane> i'd think ext4 as well
• 2179[19:45:17] <DustyDingo> well, i guess if debian does it by default, there was some thought put into it
• 2180[19:45:35] <DustyDingo> and if i should change to tmpfs to reduce ssd wair
• 2181[19:45:48] <annadane> unlikely that that's necessary
• 2182[19:45:57] <DustyDingo> but in the end it depends on the usage
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• 2191[19:48:05] <mihi> DustyDingo, I just tried, and did not even find a way to *explicitly* use tmpfs...
• 2192[19:48:32] <mihi> (debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst in non-graphical mode)
• 2193[19:49:55] <DustyDingo> ok, thanks!
• 2194[19:49:58] <Ormu> hm, should I actually install Buster into my RasPi if it's going to be released soon as Stable?
• 2195[19:50:05] <annadane> depends what you want
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• 2197[19:50:29] <DustyDingo> i just moved some of my personal script tmp stuff to /run/ and will keep /tmp as ext4
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• 2200[19:52:20] <annadane> hm i think in future i'm always just going to upgrade first for conflicts then dist-upgrade later
• 2201[19:52:42] <annadane> sorry, #debian is not my internal monologue
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• 2207[19:55:27] <DEBlAN__2> hello guys is anyone willing to help me out with udev
• 2208[19:55:52] <annadane> only if you ask a specific question
• 2209[19:55:57] <annadane> !ask to ask
• 2210[19:55:57] <dpkg> Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
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• 2216[19:59:26] <DEBlAN__2> i want to allow full access to particular PHYSICAL usb port regardless of what type of device is there plugged. It can be any device from normal usb flash to some obscure device or usb hub with several devices.
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• 2220[20:02:07] <GNU\colossus> udev can do that, yes. what is your actual question?
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• 2222[20:03:10] <DEBlAN__2> well yeah ive been tinkering with udev for almost week, still have no idea how to do this (how can i write rule for that ?)
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• 2224[20:04:00] <GNU\colossus> you can determine the DEVPATH property for the particular USB bus-port tuple, and match on that
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• 2226[20:04:29] <GNU\colossus> on a raspberry pi, I do it like this, for USB-attached soundcards: DEVPATH=="/devices/platform/soc/3f980000.usb/usb1/1-1/1-1.5/1-1.5:1.0/sound/card?"
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• 2230[20:05:51] <GNU\colossus> `udevadm info /dev/bus/usb/...` can display udev metadata for your plugged-in devices
• 2231[20:06:04] <DEBlAN__2> yeah i can, but arent devpaths variable across reboots ?
• 2232[20:06:23] <GNU\colossus> and with `lsusb --tree`, you can map devices to their current bus-port-tuple
• 2233[20:06:40] <GNU\colossus> both bus# and port# should stay the same
• 2234[20:06:51] <GNU\colossus> the dev# is supposed to be volatile
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• 2250[20:22:03] <Monodroid> hi all
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• 2295[20:58:47] <luna> Any 9.9 isos on any mirror yet?
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• 2298[21:02:11] <luna> found it in Finland Sweden is not updated yet
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• 2309[21:14:45] <Kobaz> having a really weird issue.... every so often when waking up my monitors, DisplayPort-0 is blank
• 2310[21:14:48] <Kobaz> i then do: xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --mode 1680x1050; sleep 1; xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --mode 1920x1080
• 2311[21:14:50] <Kobaz> and then my monitor is back online
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• 2350[21:38:32] <OS-49606> /msg NickServ REGISTER <Mahibujju36> <kumareshvanu@gmail.com>
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• 2354[21:40:50] <annadane> OS-49606, change your password
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• 2356[21:41:12] <annadane> no space before /
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• 2358[21:41:29] <annadane> (also not sure if you even can register using < and >)
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• 2361[21:43:37] <OS-49606> /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
• 2362[21:44:25] <Monodroid> posted in the wrong windows. your password now is compromised
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• 2365[21:44:59] <annadane> OS-49606, first of all stop posting it here. like i said, no space before the /
• 2366[21:45:21] <annadane> also i don't think you can use parenthesis like < and > but i could be wrong
• 2367[21:46:00] <annadane> and don't use Mahibujju36 because everyone saw that, use a new password
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• 2370[21:47:08] <annadane> also use your actual password and email address, not "password" "email-address"
• 2371[21:47:18] <Monodroid> you must post this in the "freenode" window
• 2372[21:47:38] <annadane> not necessarily but it's a good precaution so you don't accidentally do what you did
• 2373[21:47:53] <Monodroid> k
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• 2438[22:31:20] <hypn0> what tutorial are you following Nixew
• 2439[22:32:30] <karlpinc> Nixew: You use the "apt-key" command to add or remove keys. You'll probably have to read the man page. (I also encourage you not to install anything unless it is specifically produced for debian.) See the "don't break debian" wikil.debian.org page.
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• 2442[22:33:57] <Nixew> It is for Debian-based distros, so I would say it's fine. I used "sudo apt-key add -" as is shown in the tutorial.
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• 2444[22:34:13] <greatgatsby> their docs say "for Debian based Linux", whatever that means. But they do say to: curl -s replaced-url
• 2445[22:34:41] <greatgatsby> then go on to add an entry for xenial in sources.list, so you might want to be careful, as karlpinc mentioned, to not break things
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• 2447[22:35:48] <Nixew> I've done the first two steps. The third doesn't work, because of the GPG key.
• 2448[22:35:58] <karlpinc> "debian based" just means that it has a .deb package, not that debian has the necessary packages to run it, or that it won't break debian by replacing something vital. That's my take. Better to compile from source IMO.
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• 2450[22:37:15] <Nixew> karlpinc: How do I do that?
• 2451[22:37:16] <greatgatsby> oh yeah, my comment was meant to be a little tongue-in-cheek, as they say, "Debian Based Linux" and then go on to explicitly add an entry for Ubuntu Xential.
• 2452[22:37:34] <greatgatsby> s/Xential/Xenial
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• 2457[22:39:03] <karlpinc> Nixew: I'm not exactly sure, see the don't break debian page.
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• 2459[22:39:07] <karlpinc> !don't break debian
• 2460[22:39:07] <dpkg> somebody said dont break debian was replaced-url
• 2461[22:39:11] <karlpinc> !stow
• 2462[22:39:11] <dpkg> i heard stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. replaced-url
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• 2464[22:39:35] <karlpinc> (I don't know if stow is the tool of choice these days, might be.)
• 2465[22:40:18] <Nixew> It says I am not allowed to access replaced-url
• 2466[22:41:08] <karlpinc> greatgatsby: Yeah. Or, the debian "potato" release is debian based, but I but the signal package won't work if you try to install it on potato.
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• 2468[22:41:14] <karlpinc> Nixew: Does it say why?
• 2469[22:41:46] <Nixew> It doesn't. Only "Forbidden" and "You are not allowed to access this!"
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• 2471[22:42:26] <greatgatsby> working here, first time accessing that page
• 2472[22:42:33] <karlpinc> Nixew: What happens if you just go to the wiki home page?
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• 2474[22:42:51] <Nixew> Same. Let me check my extensions I guess.
• 2475[22:43:03] <Nixew> Still nothing.
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• 2484[22:45:10] <karlpinc> Nixew: Usually, to build from source you a) download a tarball b) untar it c) read the instructions, which usually are in a file named "README".
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• 2490[22:47:25] <karlpinc> Nixew: Generally there's a way to tell the program where to install. And it's probably best to install in your home directory. The command is typically something like: ./configure --prefix=~/local That will install it in a dir called local in your home dir, so you'd run it with something like "~/local/bin/signal".
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• 2493[22:47:53] <karlpinc> (Install it after you build the binaries.)
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• 2495[22:48:42] <karlpinc> Nixew: You probably also want the (iirc) build-essentials package installed so you have the tools needed.
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• 2500[22:49:42] <Nixew> I can access the website now.
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• 2502[22:51:09] * karlpinc wonders if there's a flatpak for signal
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• 2504[22:52:17] <Nixew> Well, I don't know what to do with it then. I would like to install it without breaking anything.
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• 2515[22:58:35] <Nixew> And it does exist on flathub.
• 2516[22:58:41] <Nixew> replaced-url
• 2517[23:00:34] <karlpinc> Nixew: Yeah. Just found that myself. I'd use the flatpak, and install the flatpak debian package. (Haven't used it myself.) That sounds easiest.
• 2518[23:01:10] <karlpinc> Nixew: You have to trust the flatpak, and trust that they are keeping it up-to-date. (And I don't know how you keep a flatpak package up to date with security updates.)
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• 2520[23:03:29] <Nixew> I will just try the installation way from Signal's website. I used wget instead of curl, because I didn't install it. Now it works. Hopefully nothing breaks.
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• 2522[23:05:13] <Nixew> Well, "subprocess /user/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
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• 2528[23:07:23] <Nixew> Nevermind. I removed the installed package. I'll solve this later.
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• 2532[23:09:25] <Nixew> When I compile Signal from source, it won't update because there won't be any repository to update it from, right?
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• 2550[23:14:39] <karlpinc> Nixew: You have to keep pulling the source from the git repo to get updates, and recompile. (Hopefully signal has some sort of email announcement when there's a new release, or some other sort of push mechanisim.)
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• 2553[23:16:09] <karlpinc> Nixew: I suppose you could script something that runs git and tells you if there's something new.
• 2554[23:17:18] <Nixew> I would "Watch" the GitHub repository and be informed about any updates via email.
• 2555[23:18:06] <Nixew> That is no problem for me. I just need to know how to compile it.
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• 2557[23:18:36] <zleap> just expect a lot of e-mail for some projects, it is sometimes a good idea to set up filters and put any e-mail into a folder
• 2558[23:19:06] <zleap> Nixew: there is usually a read me file and other instructions
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• 2560[23:20:05] <Nixew> There is a "readme.md" file, which is usual in GitHub repos. There is just nothing about compiling.
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• 2567[23:21:03] <zleap> what about a makefile
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• 2570[23:22:15] <Nixew> I didn't find any. replaced-url
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• 2581[23:25:53] <jmcnaught> Nixew: I have Signal desktop installed via flatpak if you're looking for something easier and updateable
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• 2587[23:27:39] <Nixew> Fine. They have the latest version, so I'll install it.
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• 2590[23:28:12] <jmcnaught> There's a newer version of flatpak in stretch-backports that's probably better to use
• 2591[23:29:19] <Nixew> I just installed the one from the stable strecth repo.
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• 2593[23:29:56] <Nixew> Oh, I see. It's just the link under it. I'll install the backport version then.
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• 2615[23:41:30] <analogical> Debian is a fantastic Linux Distro but replaced-url
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• 2620[23:46:59] <ksk> analogical: but did you see the (new?) download button on the top right? :p
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• 2624[23:49:11] <analogical> ksk, what a huge improvement lol
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• 2630[23:51:29] <scx> Hello
• 2631[23:51:58] <scx> What is the name of gtk+2 variant of wxWidget 3.0 or 3.1 package?
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• 2633[23:53:05] <scx> this would be equivalent of compat-wxGTK3-gtk2 in Fedora
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