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73 [00:46:03] <roylapra1tep> to dist-upgrade or not.
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78 [00:46:51] <mutante> dpkg: dist-upgrade
79 [00:46:51] <dpkg> dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>.
80 [00:47:31] <__m4ch1n3__> no risk no fun
81 [00:47:32] <mutante> dpkg: tell roylapra1tep about why not dis-upgrade
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83 [00:47:38] <roylapra1tep> oh, its better to use full-upgrade?
84 [00:47:47] <roylapra1tep> i didnt knew about that command
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86 [00:47:57] <mutante> dpkg: tell roylapra1tep about why not dist-upgrade
87 [00:48:24] <mutante> it depends what you want to achieve
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90 [00:48:58] <mutante> dpkg: tell roylapra1tep about full-upgrade
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94 [00:49:30] <roylaprattep> jessie to stretch
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96 [00:49:46] <roylaprattep> mutante: its roylaprattep
97 [00:50:15] <mutante> roylaprattep: none of the commands mentioned so far are doing "jessie to stretch"
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99 [00:50:33] <roylaprattep> dpkg: tell roylaprattep about full-upgrade
100 [00:51:07] <roylaprattep> ok
101 [00:51:17] <roylaprattep> dpkg: tell roylaprattep about dist-upgrade
102 [00:51:22] <__m4ch1n3__> you can /msg dpkg <topic>
103 [00:51:36] <mutante> roylaprattep: replaced-url
104 [00:51:38] <__m4ch1n3__> /msg dpkg dist-upgrade
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115 [00:56:08] <roylaprattep> mutante: they dont mention full-upgrade anyway
116 [00:56:14] <roylaprattep> anywhere*
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119 [00:57:47] <roylaprattep> so changing the sources.list to stretch repo and doind apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt fully upgrade to debian 9?
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122 [00:58:25] <jmcnaught> roylaprattep: that's the jist of it, but there's a few more steps you may want to take that are documented in the release notes that were linked to you
123 [00:58:59] <roylaprattep> apt-get purge the obsolete package
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125 [00:59:23] <roylaprattep> thats the only thing I can see that I need to do
126 [00:59:57] <ttl-> is there a SIP softphone that works on Debian?
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128 [01:00:24] <roylaprattep> 3CX?
129 [01:00:55] <roylaprattep> ttl-: 3CX.
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132 [01:01:35] <roylaprattep> ttl-: There is a ISO just for Debian!
133 [01:01:53] <roylaprattep> replaced-url
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135 [01:02:16] <ttl-> thanks!
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253 [02:27:47] <hatter_> I have 4x 8Tb drives in a RAID10 config, with an LVM on top of it, I would like to move the disks to a new box, which has an OS, moving the mdadm is fine, but what happens with the LVM on top of it ?
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257 [02:31:11] <hatter_> I have 4x 8Tb drives in a RAID10 config, with an LVM on top of it, I would like to move the disks to a new box, which has an OS, moving the mdadm is fine, but what happens with the LVM on top of it ?
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260 [02:31:46] <hatter_> sorry for double post, I thought I moved from overflow to #debian
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280 [02:57:59] <st_prg> Hi all, I have a command I would like to run after a package upgrade. I am using the apt hook "DPkg::Post-Invoke". I am encountering an issue as my command includes both double and single quotes, and escaping does not seem to work. "apt upgrade" gives me an error "Syntax error: Extra junk after value".
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284 [02:58:39] <st_prg> However, if I remove the part of my command with double quotes, the error goes away. Is there a known issue with apt hooks and quotes being used inside a string?
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375 [04:20:06] <pts0> should i use ubuntu or debian
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380 [04:22:59] <dvs> hmmmm... I wonder what people in here will say?
381 [04:23:17] * Unit193 looks at the channel name.
382 [04:23:19] <Unit193> Debian.
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385 [04:25:58] <pts0> Why not ubuntu?
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387 [04:26:18] <pts0> It has a lot of packages in it's default repos. That's why I've used it in the past.
388 [04:26:28] <pts0> I'm not trolling by the way.
389 [04:26:50] <JohnDoe2> "Ubuntu is a free and open source operating system and Linux distribution based on Debian."
390 [04:27:10] <pts0> I was just trying to do a software raid setup in ubuntu and the docs were saying something that didn't even exist
391 [04:27:23] <pts0> apparently they have moved on to some new installer but still have old docs
392 [04:27:32] <pts0> does debian do better with things like that
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397 [04:29:18] <karlpinc> pts0: I hear tell debian often has fewer bugs. (I always thought it had more packages too, but I've not looked in a while.)
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400 [04:30:26] <karlpinc> pts0: Ubuntu is based on whatever is in debian testing -- I think. And testing is sometimes broken, by definition. Debian stable does not change (security fixes etc., aside) and so is by definition older.
401 [04:30:28] <karlpinc> !sns
402 [04:30:28] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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404 [04:31:24] <pts0> nice
405 [04:31:50] <karlpinc> pts0: My limited Ubuntu experience makes it seem like Debian on training wheels -- because people don't want to read the instructions. To each their own.
406 [04:33:16] <karlpinc> pts0: The other things I like about debian are that it upgrades from one major release to the next. So long as you read and follow the release notes! Way easier than re-installing and then re-setting up the system, although not always painless. And I like debian's support. (Especially here.)
407 [04:34:20] <karlpinc> pts0: Debian stable is now very old. (For some value of "very".)
408 [04:34:24] <karlpinc> !guess the release date
409 [04:34:24] <dpkg> Guess the release date is a game you can play! Look at replaced-url
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412 [04:35:09] <karlpinc> pts0: Sometimes that can mean problems with the latest hardware.
413 [04:35:32] <ryouma> you have to reinstall ubuntu? O.o
414 [04:36:02] <karlpinc> ryouma: Dunno. ? Everybody I've seen use it, has. But my experience is limited.
415 [04:37:10] <ryouma> it seems insane to reinstall. if i had to do that i'd ahve to try to script all of debconf, all of account setting up, all of etc setting up, all symlinks.
416 [04:37:20] <ryouma> i have trouble enough with dist upgrade
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420 [04:39:55] <karlpinc> ryouma: I've never seen an RPM system upgrade. And people use it. They probably turn their systems to junk by installing random stuff from who knows where and find it's time to wipe and re-install anyway. If you upgrade, you have to keep your system tidy and not try to be a system's integrator. A lot of enterprise systems are _expected_ to get random stuff installed from random vendors. Not a recipe for a change of the underlying
421 [04:39:55] <karlpinc> OS.
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425 [04:40:54] <ryouma> i think it's relevant to a debian user
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427 [04:41:00] <ryouma> don't fully undertstand it but whatever
428 [04:41:58] <dax> There's an upgrade utility for Ubuntu. It works fine. It's also hilarious to me that it's necessary for them to have one and advise against the usual Debian process.
429 [04:42:38] <dax> (the likelihood of "works fine" being true goes down as you add PPAs, and Ubuntu users do enjoy adding those, so...)
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433 [04:43:04] <karlpinc> dax: Pick up the thread in #debian-offtopic?
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436 [04:46:13] <karlpinc> pts0: You will probably also want to install with the unoffical installer containing non-free firmware. This saves hassle.
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438 [04:46:47] <karlpinc> !firmware images
439 [04:46:47] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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448 [04:53:32] <ryouma> that guess teh release chart is the line that is going up the relevant line?
449 [04:53:57] <ryouma> i can't distinguish the colors. the one that is at 600.
450 [04:54:10] <dax> no, the lowest one
451 [04:54:39] <dax> top one is total release-critical bugs in any release, middle is RC in current stable, bottom is RC in next release
452 [04:55:21] <ryouma> so we're close then? why are there sudden drops in the current stable?
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468 [05:09:57] <moss> "openjdk-8-jre-headless" why is this not available in buster?
469 [05:10:50] <dax> because buster has openjdk-11 instead
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471 [05:11:21] <moss> is there a way for me to get openjdk-8-jre-headless elsewhere? jitsi-videobridge depends on this garbage
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474 [05:16:43] <moss> nvm
475 [05:16:47] <moss> i just installed from another thing
476 [05:16:50] <moss> thx
477 [05:16:54] <moss> (stretch)
478 [05:16:56] <moss> replaced-url
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486 [05:24:51] <karlpinc> ryouma: Because every now and then there's a new point release for stable?
487 [05:25:45] <ryouma> karlpinc: oh, i assumed it was bugs on the record, not bugs rleased
488 [05:26:00] <karlpinc> ryouma: "outstanding" bugs.
489 [05:26:31] <ryouma> dunno what that means
490 [05:26:33] <karlpinc> ryouma: unresolved.
491 [05:27:59] <ryouma> releasing resolves a bug? oh, i guess there is no repo for "bugs being fixed for stable"?
492 [05:28:13] <ryouma> point-*
493 [05:28:27] <karlpinc> ryouma: Somebody has a vocabularly. Maybe to be resolved they have to be real bugs, and not just something somebody's complaining about. Or whatever.
494 [05:29:40] <ryouma> well if somebody goes into it now i will likely forget it in 5m
495 [05:30:09] <karlpinc> ryouma: An altered package kinda has to be released in stable for it to be fixed. Dunno. (And then there's "stable-updates", so...)
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550 [06:11:35] <laptop> hi
551 [06:11:41] <laptop> I am having trouble linux 5.0 kernel
552 [06:11:48] <laptop> computer is not recognizing my nvidia driver now
553 [06:12:48] <kanliot> debian testing?
554 [06:13:19] <laptop> debian 9.8
555 [06:13:22] <laptop> linux 5.0
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557 [06:13:35] <laptop> nvidia geforce 7150/630n
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559 [06:15:08] <kanliot> i found something on the debian forum,
560 [06:15:19] <kanliot> theres a new open source driver
561 [06:15:32] <kanliot> but i think you have the nvidia.com driver
562 [06:15:34] <kanliot> right?
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567 [06:16:09] <laptop> yes
568 [06:16:13] <laptop> is the drive too old
569 [06:16:18] <laptop> and has it been removed from linux 5
570 [06:16:37] <laptop> I have propietary legacy driver
571 [06:16:39] <kanliot> this is an ok place to ask
572 [06:17:28] <kanliot> but you should also ask on debian forum, with a copy/paste of the errors you get, and maybe at better times of day you can ask on OFTC debian irc
573 [06:18:13] <kanliot> so i think i can't really help very well
574 [06:18:29] <laptop> k
575 [06:18:42] <kanliot> eventually you'll be installing the free driver, or waiting on nvidia.com
576 [06:18:48] <kanliot> or going back to older kernel
577 [06:19:02] <kanliot> (i guess)
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589 [06:33:49] <festerjester> Hello all. Anyone know how I can setup debian 9 with an F2FS root?
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604 [06:47:55] <kanliot> i've done that. festerjester. i can't remember if i needed a boot partition or not.
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609 [06:51:21] <festerjester> Yes, I will need a /boot partition. I do currently have a fully booting install with /boot ext4 partition, / ext4 partition, and a 3rd partition formatted f2fs that I have copied the contents of / from.
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613 [06:53:34] <festerjester> I have been scouring Google for a while and the most current tutorial I found is from early Debian 8. Something has changed and I am struggling to figure out what.
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622 [07:03:41] <jim> any cleaner, after you scowered it?
623 [07:04:46] <rabbitear_sdf> replaced-url
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625 [07:08:52] <jim> what's f2fs exactly?
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627 [07:09:26] <OpenVms> How to dual boot debian-jessie with another os?
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629 [07:09:30] <dcpc007> hi all
630 [07:09:39] <jim> hi
631 [07:09:55] <jim> OpenVms, which other os?
632 [07:09:57] <festerjester> Unfortunately it's not any cleaner
633 [07:10:02] <dcpc007> any logic having find (...) -ls very slower than find (...) -exec rm {} \;
634 [07:10:51] <jim> maybe pipes are slower?
635 [07:11:02] <festerjester> f2fs is a partition format like ext4 or xfs or fat32 or ntfs
636 [07:11:17] <dcpc007> without pipes only a find
637 [07:11:32] <dcpc007> i only do a -ls before executing the remove
638 [07:11:38] <dcpc007> on a huge FS
639 [07:11:40] <festerjester> but designed to be used on flash media like sd cards, ssd's, flash drives
640 [07:11:52] <dcpc007> time is like 30' vs 2'
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642 [07:12:07] <jim> make the f2fs filesystem before you run the debian installer
643 [07:12:18] <OpenVms> Jim: I have IBM Pc with intel pentium 4 ATX motherboard with intel gt1 gpu.
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646 [07:13:12] <festerjester> does the installer have that ability? There is no option in the menus to format f2fs
647 [07:13:27] <OpenVms> Jim: Oh other os is hackintosh high sierra with clover bootloader.
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649 [07:15:22] <OpenVms> I have asked in ##hackintosh they told me to ask here.
650 [07:15:33] <jim> festerjester, so don't do it in the installer... also, you'd need a kernel that supports f2fs, and you'd have to make sure that's the case
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652 [07:16:03] <rabbitear_sdf> replaced-url
653 [07:16:05] <jim> I'm suggesting you format as f2fs -before- you run the installer
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658 [07:18:01] <OpenVms> Jim: any suggestions ?
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660 [07:19:37] <jim> OpenVms, maybe the easiest, is to have grub run the clover boot loader to get you into the hackintosh'
661 [07:19:58] <jim> if there's a way to do that easily
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663 [07:20:18] <jim> grub is pretty flexible
664 [07:21:05] <jim> if you can get grub to do that, you can also get it to boot the debian linux
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670 [07:25:05] <OpenVms> Also i have taken the entire hdd partition during hackintosh setup can i shrink the partition during setup without breaking the system?
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673 [07:28:24] <OpenVms> Jim: Thank you anyway ;)
674 [07:30:37] <festerjester> jim: No good. Installer does not have f2fs-tools installed and cannout recognize the f2fs partition
675 [07:30:48] <festerjester> jim: Good idea though.
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721 [08:20:10] <sebastian_> I'm running debian stable for two days and have encountered numerous bugs and crashes not to be found on other distros I've used. Chromium doesn't launch, I have to log-out and log-in again. WiFi couldn't connect despite finding network and USB Tethering works for 3 seconds before it stops. Gnome Weather crashes upon entering location. Other thing is there was no firmware for AMD open driver (radeon), so no person with prior experienc
722 [08:20:12] <sebastian_> e would have the system booting (needed to change tty and run some commands found on the web that were esepecially non-friendly considering network problems)
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742 [08:27:38] <Nidhoegger> hi, ive upgraded my debian buster yesterday (normal apt upgrade). since then im getting crashes in the nouveau driver
743 [08:27:43] <Nidhoegger> debian is near to unusable atm
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763 [08:37:45] <Nidhoegger> hi
764 [08:38:01] <klys> hi
765 [08:38:18] <Nidhoegger> ive got a nvidia mx130, after an update of my buster yesterday, the system was unusable. ive now installed the propreritary driver but want to move back to nouveau at some point :/
766 [08:38:23] <Nidhoegger> ive had complete kernel lockups
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770 [08:40:22] <Nidhoegger> is this a known issue?
771 [08:40:28] <Nidhoegger> or is it due to missing firmware files?
772 [08:40:34] <klys> nidhoegger, you may not be able to use nouveau with such a new gpu
773 [08:40:48] <Nidhoegger> the 130 is not new, and until yesterday all was fine
774 [08:41:11] <klys> folks are comparing it to pascal chips
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776 [08:41:47] <Nidhoegger> the point is that an update of buster killed it, before it was working with acceleration, no dmesg errors, etc
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779 [08:43:49] <klys> nidhoegger: see: /var/log/apt
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781 [08:45:00] <Nidhoegger> yeah, theres the update
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999 [11:17:47] <EmleyMoor> Trying to enable "Screen Sharing" which I believe uses "vino", but the switch drops back to "OFF" when put to "ON". How can I find out why with a view to fixing it? GNOME desktop.
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1004 [11:22:36] <aloo_shu> EmleyMoor: probably has security requirements, such as having a vnc password set for instance, I'm sure it's documented, I just read something about vino when researching other vnc servers
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1010 [11:24:16] <aloo_shu> man vino in a terminal, a search in gnome help (typically F1), or ultimately, teh interweb
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1012 [11:24:28] <EmleyMoor> aloo_shu: Password IS SET! It's not that. This broke a while ago and I've not found a fix yet
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1015 [11:27:43] <aloo_shu> list of allowed hosts? sorry, not too helpful, I just know I read something about setting up vino very recently, but since I'm not on gnome, it wasn't relevant to me
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1018 [11:31:41] <aloo_shu> EmleyMoor: here, from my browser history - 7 years old, and for ubuntu, but maybe has a detail that helps replaced-url
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1023 [11:33:44] <aloo_shu> just re-ask every 10-30 min, also maybe #gnome exists
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1039 [11:44:19] <Ede|Popede> it really shouldn't be that hard to find *usable* infos about how to make debian live write the changes to a hard disk and reload them later at the next time the live system is booted from the stick
1040 [11:44:45] <Ede|Popede> all i find is "create a fs on the stick with gparted and write it there"
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1042 [11:45:25] <Ede|Popede> the live manual mentions 3 (THREE) options to do persistent, but only one of them is explained later
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1054 [11:52:44] <Ammar__> Hi
1055 [11:52:58] <Ammar__> I have a suggestion
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1062 [11:53:30] <Ammar__> Why apt doesn't have a review system for all the packages
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1071 [11:54:06] <Ammar__> something simple as in apt-rate someapplication 4 "Buggy but does the job"
1072 [11:54:29] <Ammar__> or is that already something like that I am not aware of?
1073 [11:54:36] <Ammar__> is there*
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1075 [11:54:56] <Ammar__> no account required or anything just based on IP address or something
1076 [11:55:13] <Ammar__> I don't think people will abuse it since the apps are for free anyway
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1079 [11:55:32] <BCMM> Ammar__: you can report bugs in packages, and you can use apt-listbugs to warn you about open bugs before you install a package
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1081 [11:55:48] <BCMM> Ammar__: i'm not sure what purpose subjective "star ratings" would serve
1082 [11:56:36] <Ammar__> BCMM: I mean for example you want to install a pdf converter and you get a lot of choices I mean a rating could facilitate the decision making process. Just a thought.
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1084 [11:56:54] <Ammar__> Or maybe linux beauty is in its simplicity and that would ruine it
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1087 [11:57:11] <BCMM> Ammar__: pdf "converter" to what? there's a lot of different pdf converters because there's a lot of different tasks you might want to perform with a pdf
1088 [11:57:19] <BCMM> Ammar__: but more generally, we have popcon for that
1089 [11:57:44] <Ammar__> oh thanks. For example what should I use to convert 2 jpeg into one pdf?
1090 [11:57:45] <BCMM> doesn't do subjective ratings, but it does show which packages have been installed by the greatest number of participating users
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1092 [11:58:20] <Ammar__> Popularity is a good indication too. Thanks
1093 [11:58:23] <Ammar__> Didn't know about that
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1095 [11:58:35] <BCMM> Ammar__: off the top of my head, imagemagick can do that
1096 [11:58:50] <BCMM> it can stitch jpegs together, and it can convert jpegs to pdf
1097 [11:58:57] <BCMM> (technically, embed jpeg in a pdf i guess)
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1103 [12:00:06] <BCMM> `convert` command, specifically
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1105 [12:00:16] <__m4ch1n3__> rating based on what? install that package that fits your usecase best. pdf converter can use diffrent libs and be in general very diffrent
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1107 [12:00:45] <__m4ch1n3__> one may have a gui another only cli interface
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1109 [12:01:30] <__m4ch1n3__> packages have descriptions, thats actually enough
1110 [12:01:34] <BCMM> Ammar__: so with software that's fairly likely to already be on your system: convert -append 1.jpg 2.jpg output.pdf
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1113 [12:01:39] <Ammar__> Thanks BCMM you've been of great help.
1114 [12:01:44] <BCMM> no problem!
1115 [12:01:46] <__m4ch1n3__> just read them :3
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1117 [12:02:05] <Ammar__> BCMM: I will try that command
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1119 [12:02:51] <Ammar__> __m4ch1n3__: it's just everytime I do aptcache search I get analysis paralysis thought why not have rating like playstore
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1124 [12:03:36] <BCMM> i kind of wish there was a better interface in to popcon actually
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1126 [12:04:35] <BCMM> specifically an easy way to see the most popular packages, *excluding* essentials and packages included in tasks
1127 [12:04:35] <Ammar__> Yeah. GUI is not all evil. Sometimes it's useful and facilitate thing as long as it doesn't promote laziness
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1129 [12:04:49] <BCMM> i.e., the packages people are most likely to *intentionally* install
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1134 [12:07:47] <nidhoegger_> if I have two networks, 10.8.0.0/24 and 10.0.0.0/16, how can I add a route between them?
1135 [12:08:16] <BCMM> nidhoegger_: between them as in, you'd like your computer to route packets from other machines between the two networks?
1136 [12:08:16] <__m4ch1n3__> playstore is a pile of toxic shit tbh
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1139 [12:08:34] <nidhoegger_> BCMM, yes
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1141 [12:09:14] <nidhoegger_> @__m4ch1n3__, use a play store alternative, ive built a google free android phone for myself
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1146 [12:10:14] <nidhoegger_> BCMM, you got an idea for that?
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1153 [12:11:41] <BCMM> nidhoegger_: i think you just need to have working routes for both of them, (i.e. your own traffic can get there properly), and enable /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
1154 [12:11:55] <BCMM> by default, a linux machine only routes its own traffic
1155 [12:12:09] <nidhoegger_> basically its a manually set up openvpn connection
1156 [12:12:21] <nidhoegger_> both clients can ping but dont have access to the outside network
1157 [12:12:27] <BCMM> nidhoegger_: and you'll need to tell the machines on the subnets to use your machine as a gw
1158 [12:12:37] <BCMM> normally done by reconfiguring your dhcp server
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1169 [12:16:10] <EmleyMoor> Running vino from the command line enables me to connect... why is it broken in the Gnome controls?
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1185 [12:23:24] <EmleyMoor> Could it be that the Gnome controls are looking for vino in the wrong place? If so, how do I fix?
1186 [12:23:47] <lupulo> EmleyMoor donwload vino sources from website,compile it
1187 [12:24:27] <BazookaTooth> why? they just said it works from cli
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1189 [12:25:05] <ayekat> bypassing the package manager when installing software can lead to other kinds of issues
1190 [12:25:16] <ayekat> EmleyMoor: define "broken", please
1191 [12:25:49] <lupulo> EmleyMoor sorry i thought you are speaking about wine
1192 [12:25:52] <lupulo> ok
1193 [12:26:38] <Ammar__> BCMM: Just tried popcon and you're right. It's minimum efforts. But we're grateful to the dev anyhow.
1194 [12:26:39] <lupulo> EmleyMoor try something with xinit, reload gnome-session
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1197 [12:28:10] <Ammar__> The convet command is so simple and perfect. Thanks.
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1202 [12:29:59] <lupulo> EmleyMoor broken is for you, the link of the icon doesn't point the right exec?
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1205 [12:31:53] <EmleyMoor> lupulo: No icon so no link of icon.
1206 [12:32:13] <EmleyMoor> I
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1208 [12:32:27] <lupulo> Emantor search about create a link to exec at Gnome Desktop
1209 [12:32:33] <EmleyMoor> "something with xinit" - vague.
1210 [12:32:41] <lupulo> EmleyMoor search about create a link to exec at Gnome Desktop
1211 [12:32:46] <EmleyMoor> lupulo: Not what I need or refer to
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1213 [12:33:42] <lupulo> EmleyMoor if you download sources, sure the options is obvious
1214 [12:34:05] <EmleyMoor> I don't want/need a link to the exec. I need the "Screen Sharing" switch to just plain work
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1216 [12:34:47] <lupulo> EmleyMoor search about gnome-session + xinitrc + vino
1217 [12:34:57] <EmleyMoor> If it was obvious, it would show up somewhere when googled without needing a spade and a fortnight
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1219 [12:35:34] <lupulo> if that doesn't work, try to another windows maker...
1220 [12:36:09] <lupulo> EmleyMoor nobody here, recommends vnc i think... it is not secure
1221 [12:37:00] <EmleyMoor> I need an alternative that does the same job, in that case
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1223 [12:38:01] <EmleyMoor> I've just looked on my laptop - it's enabled on that but the key difference: it's using NetworkManager.
1224 [12:38:02] <lupulo> @apt vino
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1226 [12:38:55] <lupulo> debhelper vino
1227 [12:38:59] <lupulo> @debhelper vino
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1229 [12:39:49] <agowa338> you could use vnc with tls plugin, but I don't know if that is a buy feature, or also available in the fos implementations
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1232 [12:41:32] <EmleyMoor> I have ways and means to secure it, anyway... my problem is actually getting it to run sensibly
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1242 [12:46:40] <lupulo> EmleyMoor sure, try another windows maker like blackbox and load that from xinitrc
1243 [12:47:43] <EmleyMoor> lupulo: No, that's not an acceptable answer
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1257 [12:56:46] <EmleyMoor> May have found an answer but testing it requires a logout, which, at present, I cannot do
1258 [12:57:47] <Ammar__> is ok that /srv/samba doesn't exist
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1260 [12:58:29] <Ammar__> do I have to create it manually? Shouldnt starting the service sufffice?
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1267 [13:02:17] <wwilliam> how do i created a link that if i do cd testlink will take me to mynewfiles directory? I tried ln -s /home/afernandez/mynewfiles/ /home/afernandez/testlink but when i do cd testlink and do ls -l i only see the link not the contents of /home/afernandez/mynewfiles:
1268 [13:02:29] <wwilliam> afernandez@debian:~/testlink$ ls -l
1269 [13:02:30] <wwilliam> total 0
1270 [13:02:32] <wwilliam> lrwxrwxrwx 1 afernandez afernandez 28 Apr 24 06:58 mynewfiles -> /home/afernandez/mynewfiles/
1271 [13:02:34] <wwilliam> thank you.
1272 [13:03:12] <AnononA> hi all i used this to set default terminal: sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator but terminal apps still open with mate terminal
1273 [13:03:57] <AnononA> would i have to tweak the launcher itself
1274 [13:04:06] <avu> wwilliam: seems like /home/afernandez/testlink was already an existing directory when you executed that ln command
1275 [13:04:17] <wwilliam> oh yes it is
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1280 [13:05:18] <wwilliam> avu: Thank you so much
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1283 [13:05:44] <wwilliam> ln -s /home/afernandez/mynewfiles/ /home/afernandez/linkmyfiles
1284 [13:05:57] <wwilliam> cd linkmyfiles
1285 [13:05:58] <wwilliam> afernandez@debian:~/linkmyfiles$ ls -lrt
1286 [13:05:59] <wwilliam> total 0
1287 [13:06:01] <wwilliam> -rw-r--r-- 1 afernandez afernandez 0 Apr 11 14:45 anotherfile
1288 [13:06:02] <wwilliam> -rw-r--r-- 1 afernandez afernandez 0 Apr 11 14:45 jofiles
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1291 [13:06:55] <wwilliam> sorry about that.
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1377 [14:02:07] <sylvain31> Hi, I setuped a debian stretch server. I installed a php7.2 using repository replaced-url
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1381 [14:04:21] <colo-work> 3rd party repositories don't necessarily integrate well with the rest of debian
1382 [14:04:25] <colo-work> as you just learned
1383 [14:04:46] <colo-work> iow: you probably cannot, with those package sources. I don't know enough about PHP to answer authoritatively, though.
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1385 [14:05:25] <qman__> you can't - you'd need to install a different phpmyadmin package with different dependencies
1386 [14:05:32] <sylvain31> colo-work: yes but php7.3 also comes from the same repository. Can I pin or something to prevent php7.3 to be installed?
1387 [14:06:00] <qman__> you can see what it depends on with apt policy phpmyadmin
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1395 [14:10:26] <BCMM> sylvain31: is there a specific reason you don't want to just use the versions of php and phpmyadmin included in Stretch?
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1398 [14:11:28] <sylvain31> qman__: replaced-url
1399 [14:12:13] <sylvain31> BCMM: yes. Client requirement. php7.2 but not 7.3 for this project.
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1403 [14:15:04] <sylvain31> hum, php7.2-fpm is installed. and it doesn't Provides: php in this case...
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1408 [14:17:46] <jelly> dpkg, tell sylvain31 about equivs
1409 [14:19:06] <jelly> sylvain31, and where did you get php7.3 from?
1410 [14:19:28] <jelly> ,v php7.0-fpm
1411 [14:19:30] <judd> Package: php7.0-fpm on amd64 -- stretch: 7.0.33-0+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 7.0.33-0+deb9u3; stretch-security: 7.0.33-0+deb9u3
1412 [14:19:40] <jelly> that's in debian 9 ^
1413 [14:19:50] <jelly> ,v php7.3-fpm
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1415 [14:19:51] <judd> Package: php7.3-fpm on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.4-2; sid: 7.3.4-2
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1417 [14:19:56] <jelly> that is not ^
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1421 [14:21:06] <sylvain31> jelly, judd I'm looking for php7.2
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1425 [14:21:51] <jelly> judd is a bot
1426 [14:22:55] <jelly> sylvain31, just saying, both your 7.2 and 7.3 come from packages.sury.org, neither are official builds for stretch
1427 [14:23:01] <sylvain31> ,v php7.2-fpm
1428 [14:23:02] <judd> No package named 'php7.2-fpm' was found in amd64.
1429 [14:23:42] <jelly> so it's not surprising they're not interacting well with stretch packages
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1432 [14:24:09] <sylvain31> jelly: I know. But as I need php7.2 I must find a solution.
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1435 [14:24:46] <sylvain31> adding the php7.2 seems fix some issues but not all. Thanks
1436 [14:24:52] <jelly> sylvain31, you have several options: 1) let phpmyadmin use the distro php7.0 version, and your app use 7.2
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1438 [14:25:51] <jelly> sylvain31, 2) if you're 100% certain distro phpmyadmin will work with 7.2, use equivs to make a fake package that "Provides: php"
1439 [14:26:20] <jelly> or poke sury to add missing Provides to his packaging.
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1441 [14:26:34] <sylvain31> jelly: yes I see. good advise. I insalled phpmyadmin 4.8 from source in my case because I have another server with php7.3 and phpmyadmin 4.5 seems too old for php7.2 and php7.3.
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1443 [14:27:38] <sylvain31> jelly: I was missing the package php7.2 (without -fpm) that was my fault. Using your listening I found that error. Thanks.
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1516 [15:10:35] <hmpf1> Hi! I have a defunct schroot session that won't be recovered or ended. How can I remove that from the schroot -l --all list?
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1525 [15:17:56] <hmpf1> ok, found it in replaced-url
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1582 [15:59:47] <Elon_Satoshi> How do I update to buster? Can I do it without reinstalling with a usb drive?
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1584 [16:00:50] <colo-work> you can even do so without reinstalling, and with working internet (or local, network-available debian mirror) access.
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1598 [16:08:51] <jmcnaught> Elon_Satoshi: follow the instructions in the release notes (which are a work in progress, like buster): replaced-url
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1646 [16:46:42] <netriber> Anyone knows of a channel to talk about active directory and ldap?
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1653 [16:50:20] <ctr> hey if i want to change desktop gui it's like 2 commands level easy right
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1661 [16:52:21] <jhutchins_wk> ctr: Mostly. Install the desired target, make sure your DM has the feature to choose a DE/Session, log out & log in to the new one.
1662 [16:52:39] <ctr> dm?
1663 [16:52:46] <ctr> you mean i have to download a specific debian?
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1666 [16:53:29] <ctr> sorry im a retard
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1668 [16:54:01] <ctr> dw i'll figure it out
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1677 [16:58:14] <jhutchins_wk> ctr: No, it's a set of packages that include the Desktop Environment and assorted dedicated utilities. For some reason the login/greeter package is usually called a "DM" - lightdm, nodm, gdm. It's what handles your login and launches the DE. Most of them include a selector for which DE you want to launch (and whether to resume the previous session or start a new one).
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1682 [16:59:14] <jhutchins_wk> ctr: The Debian base system is still the same. Theoretically, you can run two different GUI sessions with different DEs, practically that doesn't work out well.
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1685 [16:59:56] <ctr> yeah i just want one without a bar at the top or side
1686 [17:00:00] <ctr> one will od
1687 [17:00:01] <ctr> do
1688 [17:00:04] <jhutchins_wk> ctr: Ubuntu gives the illusion of different "versions" for different desktops, but it's all Linux, the underlyng OS is all the same with the chosen desktop just being a different application.
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1690 [17:00:23] <jhutchins_wk> ctr: You can install ALL of the DEs on the same base system.
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1692 [17:00:44] <ctr> oh
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1719 [17:19:54] <angry_route> Hi! I'm trying to install a fresh Debian Stretch on 2 HDD, using software RAID0, but at the end of the install I'm getting "grub dummy install fatal error", does anyone knows how to fix this? Thanks for any help!
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1760 [17:36:09] <bernyrd> hello, is there way to use ssh to create a connection controlled by machine 1, from machine 2 to 3, without putting the key to machine 3 on machine 2?
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1762 [17:36:50] <tds> are you trying to ssh from 2 directly, or ssh from 1 via 2?
1763 [17:36:53] <bernyrd> usecase for this is where I can log in to 2 and 3 from 1, but wish to copy a file from 2 to 3 (e.g. they are on a high bandwidth lan) while keeping the credentials of either compartmentalized
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1765 [17:37:09] <colo-work> bernyrd, sounds like you want SSH agent forwarding
1766 [17:37:16] <bernyrd> tds: I am trying to ssh from 2 to 3, but do not want credentials for 3 to be on machine 2
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1768 [17:37:33] <colo-work> that's not without risks though, but you can't steal the key material used
1769 [17:37:38] <tds> ^
1770 [17:37:42] <bernyrd> will give it a look colo-work , did not know if jump host or forwarding
1771 [17:37:45] <bernyrd> what risk?
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1775 [17:37:58] <tds> a dodgy ssh binary could just write its own key into authorized_keys for example
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1779 [17:39:14] <tds> bernyrd: you'd want ssh's proxyjump stuff if you were sshing from 1 to 3, but wanted the connection to go via 2 (eg if there was a strict firewall on 3 that only allowed 2 to connect)
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1781 [17:39:41] <tds> and that won't give 2 access to the end host or keys or anything, but traffic would traverse all 3 machines
1782 [17:39:56] <bernyrd> think I was confused, left out "agent" from my search earlier, gets you to port forwarding, which you use for proxyjump basically
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1784 [17:40:05] <bernyrd> yeah it is not what I want
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1793 [17:43:50] <bernyrd> hmm
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1795 [17:44:15] <bernyrd> seems like this is not perfect, because desptie lack of permanent credentials on machine 2 for machine 3, there is a chance to install them
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1797 [17:45:20] <bernyrd> but I suppos you say, if machine ssh bianry compromised, already bad
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1799 [17:45:30] <jhutchins_wk> bernyrd: Install a key temporarily, remove it when done.
1800 [17:45:59] <jhutchins_wk> bernyrd: Yeah, you've got to focus on what's an actual threat as opposed to wildly speculative theory.
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1802 [17:46:18] <bernyrd> well I am thinking I can have best of both worlds if I install PC on LAN
1803 [17:46:28] <bernyrd> can be trusted then.
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1825 [17:57:00] <noodlepie> Hi! I reinstalled Debian onto a rejigged partition map, needed extra free space for the system. It's OK now, running perfectly. Thanks!
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1885 [18:27:12] <speedwind> 23:54 <speedwind> I have a new installed Debian laptop. why the disk(sata) always sound like spin up then head back once a while，even when the system is idle? I stopped all journal or sync service, mount with notime nobarrier. that's the same.iotop said the busy process are jbd2 and a worker,they were heavily write back dirty inode. any idea?
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1961 [19:08:59] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: ping
1962 [19:09:00] <dpkg> Sorry jhutchins_wk, you're not online.
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1969 [19:13:38] <maxtim> I don't know if this appropriate here, but the python crew isn't helping much: Hello, I'm having some trouble getting ftplib working on Debian 9. I have installed python 3.7. The code works well on Windows, but when I ported to Debian, I got this error: replaced-url
1970 [19:13:38] <maxtim> replaced-url
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1976 [19:15:00] <jelly> maxtim, where did you get py3.7 for debian 9?
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1982 [19:15:42] <maxtim> jelly, testing repos
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1984 [19:16:05] <jelly> maxtim, mixing stable and testing does not work. Upgrade the whole system to buster or reinstall.
1985 [19:16:46] <jelly> it's not worth investigating the current state, so many things can go wrong when mixing a newer release into an existing installation.
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1988 [19:17:16] <maxtim> jelly, that sucks to hear, but I knew I made a mistake when I did that.
1989 [19:18:16] <greycat> buster is *probably* in pretty good shape for most purposes at this point
1990 [19:18:27] <greycat> obviously not for life-and-death critical stuff
1991 [19:18:33] <jelly> that said, debugging a connection refused is hard if we don't know which host and port you're connecting to, and whether there's a service listening.
1992 [19:18:46] <maxtim> I was about to say, isn't buster going to release in a month or so
1993 [19:19:05] <greycat> probably more than 1 month, but we don't know
1994 [19:19:09] <jelly> greycat, I'm running dns services for an isp on one buster and one stretch.
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1998 [19:20:01] <jelly> if dns fails "internet does not work", so it's pretty much as critical as it can be
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2001 [19:20:45] <Kurogane> Hi, how i can mount specify device is member with filesystem type linux_raid_member. The problem when i try to mount it give me this "unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'", i just want to mount sdb and not all the raid without using mdadm
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2004 [19:21:49] <maxtim> jelly, you need the host address?
2005 [19:22:11] <jhutchins_wk> Kurogane: What kind of raid?
2006 [19:22:18] <greycat> !connection refused
2007 [19:22:18] <dpkg> When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not listening on the specified IP address/TCP port at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
2008 [19:23:25] <jelly> maxtim, you need to verify there's a service really running on the desired hostname/ip and port. (21 if it's the default ftp port)
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2010 [19:24:17] <Zebs> Morning.
2011 [19:24:38] <jelly> maxtim, your iptables output look pretty default, as if there are no firewall rules at all
2012 [19:25:00] <Zebs> Trying to install Debian Lenny 5.01 on an ancient piece of hardware. The mirrors in the install (unsurprisingly) are broken, or so it seems. I'm not as familiar with Linux as I'd like. Any recommendations for making this install work?
2013 [19:25:29] <Zebs> Also, hello.
2014 [19:26:04] <jelly> Zebs, lenny is archives, so you'd need to use replaced-url
2015 [19:26:11] <jelly> archived*
2016 [19:26:16] <Zebs> Neat, I'll do just that, thanks!
2017 [19:26:22] <maxtim> jelly, I'm pretty new to configuring a firewall with linux and most tutorials are pretty confusing.
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2019 [19:26:35] <Zebs> Will report back as soon as it's done.
2020 [19:26:51] <maxtim> obviously, otherwise I might have tweaked it.
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2022 [19:27:11] <jelly> maxtim, do you have ftp service up and running on "defs.ftp_site"?
2023 [19:27:20] <maxtim> yes
2024 [19:27:40] <maxtim> and can confirm by running the same script on a windows machine
2025 [19:27:41] <greycat> maxtim: if you're logged in to defs.ftp_site, does "ftp localhost" work?
2026 [19:27:47] <jelly> maxtim, can you confirm connectivity by running "telnet hostname-or-ip 21" from the same host?
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2028 [19:28:04] <maxtim> I don't have access to host
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2030 [19:28:17] <jelly> maxtim, sorry, from the same client* that is failing with python
2031 [19:28:17] <greycat> then how are you going to diagnose or fix anything on it?
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2034 [19:28:48] <maxtim> aka I can't run ssh or telnet to host. I can grab ftp
2035 [19:29:01] <jelly> maxtim, just install telnet and run that command.
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2038 [19:31:36] <Zebs> Ahh, "the The repository on security.debian.org couldn't be accessed," is it safe to continue?
2039 [19:32:15] <jelly> Zebs, it's completely unsafe to install lenny and connect it to internet, so you're not losing any extra safety there
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2041 [19:32:48] <Zebs> Touché.
2042 [19:32:49] <maxtim> After a long wait, Connection refuse
2043 [19:33:42] <jelly> maxtim, your ftp daemon is either not running, or some (other) network element in the middle is preventing access, or you're not connecting to the same server as on windows.
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2045 [19:34:45] <maxtim> I'll double check that I have the correct server
2046 [19:35:22] <jelly> you might verify ip address on both clients, the one that works and the one that fails
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2049 [19:35:53] <jelly> telnet on linux ought to have shown the resolved ip address
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2053 [19:36:39] <maxtim> it does. I'm always wary to give out IP addresses
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2055 [19:36:45] <Zebs> Is there a way to drop to console to see what's going on in the install? It seems to be hanging at Select and install Software.
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2058 [19:37:04] <greycat> Alt-F2 gives a tty, and Alt-F4 is a log, IIRC
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2061 [19:37:37] <greycat> oh, and I'm also assuming you're using the console-mode installer, not some graphical installer, because who the hell uses a graphical installer
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2063 [19:38:08] <Zebs> I am indeed using the non-GUI install.
2064 [19:38:21] <Zebs> I mean, I guess it's a GUI, but it's not the "graphical install."
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2069 [19:38:42] <Zebs> Currently installing on a VM which I can then ideally flash to the disk of the target machine.
2070 [19:38:43] <greycat> if you happen to be in the X11-based one, then it becomes Ctrl-Alt-F2 instead of Alt-F2, and so on
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2073 [19:40:57] <jhutchins_wk> Zebs: That is one of the slowest steps of the install, the system must read and sort a list of tens of thousands of packages and decide which to install.
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2077 [19:41:15] <Zebs> Ahh, it's complaining about untrusted versions.
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2079 [19:41:35] <Zebs> Apparently awaiting console input which was hidden by the install.
2080 [19:41:48] <jelly> Zebs, you might work around some of that by literally setting the clock back
2081 [19:41:57] <jhutchins_wk> Zebs: There are better ways to work with old hardware than to install obsolete, insecure versions.
2082 [19:42:10] <jelly> right "don't"
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2084 [19:42:59] <Zebs> Well, what would you recommend, jhutchins_wk? The hardware is a CF-25, running what I think is a Pentium 144, 96MB RAM. The issue with other distros I've tried is that some piece of support simply doesn't work, that's why I'm trying Lenny.
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2087 [19:43:42] <Zebs> I could try setting the clock back, but if there's a better option, I'm all ears.
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2089 [19:43:56] <greycat> is "drop it in a rubbish bin" an option?
2090 [19:44:19] <jhutchins_wk> Zebs: That's pretty old. There have been projects to develop a linux distro specifically targeting legacy hardware, but I don't know their current status.
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2092 [19:44:35] <Zebs> Most I've found seem to be dropped by a few years.
2093 [19:44:48] <jelly> Dometic/Waeco CF-25 fridge?
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2096 [19:45:04] <greycat> As far as I'm aware, the specs you listed should be supported by wheezy. POSSIBLY even jessie.
2097 [19:45:21] <Zebs> Panasonic CF-25 toughbook. First toughbook available on the Western general market.
2098 [19:45:26] <Zebs> Jessie, really?
2099 [19:45:29] <Zebs> That's impressive.
2100 [19:45:30] <greycat> I know wheezy supported 64 MB of RAM, and jessie required more... maybe 80.
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2102 [19:45:46] <jelly> dpkg, and esp. apt from wheezy or anything higher will be rather unhappy with just 96MB RAM
2103 [19:45:46] <dpkg> jelly: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
2104 [19:45:49] <Zebs> Let's try it out.
2105 [19:46:02] <greycat> The "-book" suffix is scaring me, though. Makes it sounds like a laptop of some kind.
2106 [19:46:25] <Zebs> It's more of a stepping stool than a laptop. It can support my weight fully on one foot without issues.
2107 [19:46:37] <Zebs> I... might have had a few to play with.
2108 [19:46:48] <jelly> Zebs, putting the disk in a different machine and installing there is another option
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2110 [19:46:59] <greycat> Laptop hardware tends to be bizarre and hard to support. Good luck.
2111 [19:47:26] <maxtim> so I ran telnet site 21 on windows10 bash and got Resource temporarily unavailable, but debian says connection refused
2112 [19:47:28] <jelly> old laptops with 16bit pcmcia were weird
2113 [19:47:33] <Zebs> Was going to DD the vm image to the disk directly.
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2118 [19:48:37] <jelly> maxtim, what about from windows 10 cmd.exe window?
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2120 [19:49:53] <jelly> you'll have to install telnet client, it's an optional OS component not there by default
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2125 [19:51:07] * greycat reads the beginning of maxtim's question
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2127 [19:51:15] <greycat> maxtim: did you try the *regular* ftp client?
2128 [19:51:23] <greycat> On Debian, not on Windows.
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2131 [19:51:45] <jelly> maxtim, or do "nslookup site" or "ping site", at least you can confirm the ip address of the remote site on windows
2132 [19:51:49] <maxtim> jelly, yup greycat, yup and nope not on windows. Although yes to winSCP
2133 [19:52:06] <greycat> So "ftp defs.ftp_site" works on Debian and "mything.py defs.ftp_site" fails?
2134 [19:52:26] <jelly> winscp defaults to sftp protocol (over ssh, port 22, not ftp) I think.
2135 [19:52:27] <Zebs> Downloading Wheezy now.
2136 [19:53:12] <maxtim> cmd telnet: could not open connection to host on port 21 connection failed
2137 [19:53:24] <maxtim> jelly, yeah, you have to specify ftp
2138 [19:53:25] <jelly> maxtim, does it show the ip address?
2139 [19:53:55] <maxtim> jelly, no. I'll try again with the ip address that debian resolved
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2142 [19:54:37] <maxtim> nah same
2143 [19:54:38] <Tom-_> port 21? is he using push protocol?
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2145 [19:55:09] <Tom-_> no that would be port 20, sorry (it's not really called push protocol)
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2148 [19:55:58] <maxtim> Now, It's not my decision to use ftp, but that's what is set up, and that's what I have to use. Another reason I really don't like the idea of putting out the address and ip address. Because I now it's a vulnerable protocol
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2156 [19:58:48] <greycat> maxtim: Did "ftp defs.ftp_site" work on Debian and "mything.py defs.ftp_site" fail on Debian? Or do they both fail?
2157 [19:58:50] <maxtim> greycat, tried using ftp on cmd, connection refused
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2160 [19:59:51] <Tom-_> you can also try ftp://thatsit in a web browser
2161 [20:00:04] <maxtim> greycat, sorry, I'm confused by that question
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2165 [20:01:43] <maxtim> Tom-_, tried that. and I just got too long to respond. So I popped open WinSCCP just to make sure it's still alive and it is
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2167 [20:02:31] <greycat> maxtim: you used "defs.ftp_site" as the obfuscated hostname of this alleged FTP server. So that's the fucking BEST I CAN DO at giving you a command to type.
2168 [20:02:50] <greycat> I want to know whether the STANDARD COMMAND-LINE FTP CLIENT /usr/bin/ftp connects to it.
2169 [20:03:01] <greycat> Let's rule out your crazy batshit python thing.
2170 [20:04:20] <maxtim> greycat, no it does not connect to the site. "Connection timed out"
2171 [20:04:37] <maxtim> greycat, cmd in windows is the same.
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2173 [20:05:15] <greycat> So regular ftp on Debian times out, crazy-python-thing gives connection refused, command-line FTP client in Windows also times out? But graphical SFTP client in Windows works?
2174 [20:05:30] <maxtim> greycat, correct
2175 [20:05:38] <greycat> That is beyond bizarre.
2176 [20:05:55] <maxtim> ok so I'm not a complete idiot
2177 [20:06:04] <greycat> Well, from the differing behavior of regular ftp vs. batshit.py we know that batshit.py is not performing a regular FTP connection.
2178 [20:06:25] <greycat> If it were, it would give the same result as /usr/bin/ftp.
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2183 [20:10:08] <maxtim> following this logic, so pointing to the wrong port?
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2186 [20:11:05] <maxtim> sftp is hanging. probably going to get connection refused
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2188 [20:11:12] <maxtim> yep
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2193 [20:11:51] <greycat> *what*
2194 [20:12:10] <greycat> you get a HANG and then later on the SAME CONNECTION you get connection refused?!
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2196 [20:12:30] <greycat> How long is this "hang"? Is it a multiple of 30 seconds?
2197 [20:12:45] <greycat> If so: you are seeing a DNS timeout followed by a connection refused.
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2199 [20:13:20] <greycat> The only other possibility is that the network connection between the two is *extremely* slow/congested.
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2204 [20:14:43] <maxtim> I don't know. But I'm going to walk away from this for today. I'll recheck my spelling. Been trying to get this to work for ttwo days now
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2206 [20:15:05] <maxtim> thanks for your help and sorry for the frustration
2207 [20:15:59] <greycat> and people wonder why I wrote FtpMustDie
2208 [20:16:18] <maxtim> can I get a link to that article?
2209 [20:16:30] <greycat> replaced-url
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2211 [20:16:53] <maxtim> I will absolutely share that with my higherups
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2217 [20:22:36] * jhutchins_wk would look into the configuration of the Win SFTP client. Probably not doing straight FTP on 21.
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2222 [20:23:41] <greycat> There are so many unknowns and mysteries here. You need to rule out failing DNS lookups (preferably by using raw IP addresses every time), you need to rule out the python FTP library stuff which was the original question, etc.
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2226 [20:24:47] <greycat> We don't know why he's refusing to name the FTP server, whether it's behind a firewall of its own, whether the tests have been performed with a *different*, public, FTP server, etc.
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2228 [20:25:12] <greycat> Not that all public FTP servers are the same. Not by a long shot. But it would be a starting point.
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2231 [20:26:53] <jhutchins_wk> The frustrating thing about logical systematic troubleshooting is that so many people refuse to do it.
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2262 [20:41:42] <daj1266> I'm getting "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" on a new install
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2265 [20:41:50] <sambian> an good alternative for dd in GNU/Linux : replaced-url
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2267 [20:43:51] <uio> Hi - I can't seem to decompress a compressed archive. The description says that it is an 'archive gzip' but I can't get gzip to work. I tried gzip -d /home/USER/FILE but get the following :unknown suffix -- ignored. Indeed, the file has no suffix, but I don't know what I should do. Any thoughts?
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2269 [20:44:14] <greycat> the file name is "FILE"?
2270 [20:44:35] <greycat> try renaming it "FILE.gz" or using zcat < FILE > your-uncompressed-file
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2272 [20:44:45] <fizzizist> did try "gunzip"?
2273 [20:44:59] <greycat> it's complaining about the (lack of) suffix in the filename
2274 [20:45:02] <fizzizist> also yeah try renaming it to FILE.gz
2275 [20:45:14] <greycat> of course he's OBFUSCATING THE FUCKING FILE NAME because why would the ONE IMPORTANT DETAIL be revealed
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2277 [20:45:53] <fizzizist> mv FILE FILE.gz; gunzip FILE.gz
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2283 [20:46:58] <uio> I added .gz and reran the command.
2284 [20:47:16] <uio> That changed it to a 'archive tar' and removed the suffix.
2285 [20:47:39] <greycat> so the file was really supposed to be FILE.tar.gz and you didn't tell us this?
2286 [20:48:19] <uio> I don't know. There is no .tar suffix anywhere.
2287 [20:49:16] <jhutchins_wk> uio: tar doesn't care about suffixes.
2288 [20:50:04] <greycat> Where did the file COME FROM? Why was its name mangled? What is its ACTUAL FUCKING NAME? What did you believe its name should have been? What did you believe was supposed to be in it?
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2290 [20:50:36] * greycat bets we get the answer to ZERO of those
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2295 [20:52:35] <uio> greycat While I do sincerly appreciate your willingness and efforts to help, the kind of language you are using suggests that you are at least mildly frustrated. It was not my intention to frustrate you and I do not think that such frustration or language is really needed. Summary: breath!
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2297 [20:52:57] <uio> It looks like it is working now.
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2299 [20:53:43] <uio> I was able, with the kind help of greycat, to add the suffix and gunzip. This allowed me to use xarchiver to access the files. Problem solved. Thank you all.
2300 [20:54:50] * greycat wins the bet, and /ignores the cause of the frustration
2301 [20:55:46] <Zebs> Alright, got Debian Wheezy installed on the card, we'll transfer it to the machine later, once the original is backed up. Hope for the best.
2302 [20:56:06] <Zebs> After that, cutting and soldering the cards to fit.
2303 [20:56:24] <uio> greycat, I don't consider it necessary to answer the questions if the problem was solved. Really, though, try to relax. If you are angry on freenode it's probably not worth it. Life is short.
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2307 [20:58:38] <jhutchins_wk> uio: If you had given us more information we would have been able to give you a single command that would have unpacked the original file.
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2311 [21:01:48] <uio> jhutchins_wk, What information would have been useful?
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2324 [21:14:19] <jhutchins_wk> Name, source, and purpose of the file.
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2335 [21:18:47] <integfred> Hello everyone. I am trying to link with libwine in gcc. I create a symlink, libwine.so.1 to libwine.so, add the path to ld.so.conf.d, run sudo ldconfig, and gcc doesn't find the library. what is wrong
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2337 [21:19:32] <integfred> more to the point, why doesn't the debian package contain libwine.so?
2338 [21:19:54] <greycat> linwine.so should be the symlink, not the other way around, and you should NOT have needed to create such a symlink by hand in the first place
2339 [21:20:16] <greycat> sounds more like you didn't actually install the *-dev package
2340 [21:20:21] <integfred> well i delete the symlink, run ldconfig and it doesn't create libwine symlink
2341 [21:20:44] <greycat> wooledg:~$ apt-cache search --names-only lib wine dev
2342 [21:20:44] <greycat> librust-winapi-dev - Raw FFI bindings for all of Windows API - Rust source code
2343 [21:20:44] <greycat> libwine-dev - Windows API implementation - development files
2344 [21:20:54] <greycat> and two others, snipped
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2346 [21:21:20] <greycat> ,v libwine-dev
2347 [21:21:21] <judd> Package: libwine-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-1~bpo9+2; buster: 4.0-1; sid: 4.0-1
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2349 [21:21:36] <integfred> also I find myself having to set CPATH if i want to compile anything due to a bug in debian's toolchain
2350 [21:22:55] <jhutchins_wk> integfred: Reported?
2351 [21:23:12] <integfred> yh, the CPATH thing has been
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2353 [21:23:45] <integfred> ok, i'm reinstalling the libwine-dev package
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2355 [21:24:33] <integfred> it still doesn't find libwine.
2356 [21:24:49] <integfred> like i can try running ldconfig
2357 [21:24:56] <integfred> but i don't think it'll help much
2358 [21:25:38] <somiaj> integfred: could it be a 32bit vs 64bit issue. Debian's -dev packages are not multiarch, so you cannot build 32bit application against a 64bit package.
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2362 [21:26:00] <integfred> hrr maybe
2363 [21:26:19] <integfred> I'm running 32 bit and the path is /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/libwine.so
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2365 [21:26:57] <somiaj> could it be the package you need wants 64bit, this cna be an issue I have ran into when building wine. I make sure I use a clean chroot that is the right arch for building in cases like this.
2366 [21:27:31] <integfred> nah, it's gcc helloworld.c -lwine
2367 [21:27:47] <integfred> says cannot find lwine
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2371 [21:28:25] <integfred> file /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine/libwine.so.1.0 shows it's a 32 bit library
2372 [21:28:27] <somiaj> Is this on amd64?
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2375 [21:29:01] <integfred> it is but pretty sure my gcc is x86
2376 [21:29:07] <integfred> and OS
2377 [21:29:15] <Ankman> anyone running PPPOE?
2378 [21:29:26] <somiaj> what do you mean your os is x86, but you are running amd64, that is contradictaory info
2379 [21:29:56] <integfred> i'm running 32 bit OS on 64 bit machine
2380 [21:30:06] <somiaj> integfred: then it is not amd64.
2381 [21:30:20] <integfred> okaily dokily, still problem not solved.
2382 [21:30:24] <integfred> :/
2383 [21:30:28] <Ankman> i wonder whether it's normal as well ppp0 as eth0 (might differ on other NICs) both count the traffic
2384 [21:30:54] <somiaj> integfred: what is the output of 'dpkg --print-architecture'
2385 [21:31:06] <greycat> integfred: start with "dpkg --print-architecture" and "gcc -v | grep Target"
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2387 [21:31:22] <integfred> will do that for you
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2390 [21:31:28] <greycat> ... crap, gcc -v seems to write to stderr
2391 [21:31:38] <greycat> make that "gcc -v 2>&1 | grep Target"
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2394 [21:32:09] <integfred> dpkg --print-architecture ---> i386
2395 [21:32:09] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, integfred
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2398 [21:33:06] <integfred> gcc -v 2>&1 | grep Target --> Target: i686-linux-gnu
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2401 [21:33:50] <somiaj> It dosen't need to be -llibwine (instead of -lwine), also the file you point to, the .so is for binaries, for building you need the header (.h) file I think [I'm not that familar with the details here]
2402 [21:34:02] <integfred> nah, i put -lwine
2403 [21:34:08] <integfred> rather than -llibwine
2404 [21:34:11] <integfred> :
2405 [21:34:13] <integfred> :/
2406 [21:34:30] <somiaj> I was just thinking since the file is named libwine.so, you need to call the libarry libwine (not wine), so -llibwine
2407 [21:34:53] <greycat> -lfoo means "look for libfoo.so or libfoo.a"
2408 [21:34:54] <integfred> yeh, the so should be libwine.so, the gcc command should be -lwine afaik
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2410 [21:35:03] <somiaj> ahh okay, wasn't sure there.
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2414 [21:36:02] <greycat> installing libwine-dev should create the libwine.so symlink
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2419 [21:37:50] <integfred> yeh, but that symlink doesn't get picked up by ldconfig
2420 [21:37:58] <integfred> least not for me
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2422 [21:38:15] <greycat> ldconfig is for running things (via ld.so), not for linking things
2423 [21:38:51] <greycat> the linked binary program should have a dependency on the VERSIONED library (libwine.so.x.y) visible with ldd
2424 [21:39:19] <greycat> the .so symlink just tells the linker which library to use, because you may have lots of libwine.so.x.y installed
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2426 [21:40:15] <integfred> ok fair play greycat
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2429 [21:40:53] <integfred> i'm guessing for linking things the paths are hardcoded
2430 [21:41:08] <integfred> ?
2431 [21:41:13] <greycat> try something like "ldd /bin/ls" to see
2432 [21:41:33] * greycat wonders why the hell ls has a dependency on libpcre
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2437 [21:44:11] <integfred> ok the best i can get is ldd /usr/lib/wine/wine which says it links to libwine.so.1
2438 [21:44:43] <integfred> but that's not so good for when libwine.so.2 appears
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2444 [21:46:18] <integfred> really it'd be better to link to libwine.so i think
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2455 [21:53:47] <integfred> ok, so I make a symlink to libwine.1.0.so at /usr/lib/libwine.so and it works ok, but still not an optimal solution as 1) there is already a symlink - libwine.so in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/wine and 2) all the libraries related to wine are supposed to sit there.
2456 [21:54:46] <integfred> also 3) it's not so multiarch
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2473 [22:03:54] <somiaj> sounds like in all of your modifications you messed up your ldconfig if it isn't looking for 32bit libs in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu
2474 [22:04:06] <somiaj> by default it should be looking there
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2479 [22:08:51] <jhutchins_wk> This is an example of why people recommend not building in a working environment.
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2481 [22:09:18] <Unplesantry> how to kill all process by UID
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2483 [22:09:25] <Unplesantry> and command
2484 [22:09:55] <Unplesantry> or maybe a pkill
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2488 [22:11:02] <somiaj> you could get a list of pids for a paritcular user, then kill all the pids that way
2489 [22:11:15] <somiaj> there is a command that does such a thing, but I cna't recall it
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2491 [22:11:35] <somiaj> replaced-url
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2494 [22:12:00] <somiaj> ahh seems the killall command (that is the one I recall), pkill, or even looking for only process by a certain user will work, that link lists all those options
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2506 [22:17:19] <Unplesantry> how do i ps aux by UID
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2510 [22:19:33] <greycat> -u user
2511 [22:19:57] <greycat> and you probably want to drop the "a" option, because that one means "all users"
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2515 [22:20:37] <greycat> ps ux -u user
2516 [22:20:57] <greycat> the -u and u options have nothing in common at all
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2518 [22:21:31] <somiaj> (or just click on the link I shared, all tha tinfo is there)
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2520 [22:22:55] <greycat> oh, I didn't know there was a prologue to the question
2521 [22:23:02] <greycat> all I saw was 16:17 Unplesantry> how do i ps aux by UID
2522 [22:23:11] <Unplesantry> are aux args?
2523 [22:23:18] <Unplesantry> am i a nuub
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2525 [22:23:32] <greycat> They're BSD-style options to the ps command. See "man ps".
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2527 [22:24:30] <somiaj> yes, you aux is the same as -a -u -x
2528 [22:24:44] <somiaj> s/you//
2529 [22:25:31] <greycat> aux is NOT the same as -a -u -x
2530 [22:25:41] <greycat> it IS the same as a u x
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2532 [22:25:49] <Unplesantry> i dont get it
2533 [22:25:58] <greycat> BSD-style options to ps must NOT be preceded by a dash.
2534 [22:26:07] <Unplesantry> ps aux -u 1000
2535 [22:26:09] <greycat> Unplesantry: please read "man ps"
2536 [22:26:12] <Unplesantry> not working
2537 [22:26:22] <greycat> 16:19 greycat> and you probably want to drop the "a" option, because that one means "all users"
2538 [22:26:25] <greycat> 16:20 greycat> ps ux -u user
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2540 [22:26:52] <Unplesantry> nope
2541 [22:26:55] <Unplesantry> im seeing roots
2542 [22:27:17] <jfcaron> What are the antispam rules for the Debian Pastezone? I keep getting told "Do not spam" but my text is legit stuff I wanted to show someone.
2543 [22:28:14] <jmcnaught> apparently "systemctl stop user-1000.slice" kills everything for that user
2544 [22:29:57] <dvs> jfcaron, if it's one or two lines, then paste it here. Otherwise, paste an http link to the full output.
2545 [22:30:05] <somiaj> so it tracks all process run via that user (wondering if some how a user could run a process that is not attached to that slice)
2546 [22:30:34] <greycat> "ps ux -u wooledg" works for me on both stretch and buster. If you believe it's not working for you (with a valid local username instead of wooledg), you need to show us the EXACT command you ran and the EXACT output
2547 [22:30:36] <somiaj> jfcaron: What is telling you 'do not spam', and by debian pastezone, do you mean paste.debian.net?
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2549 [22:31:14] <jfcaron> somiaj, yes, paste.debian.net. It says "Could not add your entry to the paste database: do not spam" when I click Send.
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2551 [22:31:27] <jfcaron> I'll have to find some other pastebin to show you what I'm trying to paste, lol...
2552 [22:31:34] <greycat> maybe there's some key word in your text that triggers it? who knows.
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2554 [22:32:13] <somiaj> jfcaron: yea, I'm unsure, I have yet to have paste.debian.net do that to me.
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2556 [22:32:38] <jfcaron> The text I am trying to paste is this: replaced-url
2557 [22:32:54] <jfcaron> I tried deleting the URL in case it was that.
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2561 [22:34:40] <greycat> you have a URL inside the content; maybe it dislikes content with URLs in it
2562 [22:35:02] <somiaj> I'm testing, and yes I get the same error. Even if I remove the url I get the same error. There is something that is triggering anti spam, but not sure what.
2563 [22:35:37] <somiaj> it seems to not like the name 'hackerb', I took that line out (and the url) and it to work....replaced-url
2564 [22:35:43] <greycat> "hackerb9"?
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2566 [22:35:56] <greycat> ok, somiaj and I are on the same page here
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2568 [22:36:07] <jfcaron> Yep, looks like it doesn't like the string "hack"
2569 [22:36:15] <somiaj> yea, something about 'hackberb9' making p.d.n not like life.
2570 [22:36:40] <jfcaron> Weird.
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2572 [22:37:30] <jfcaron> Well, thanks for figuring it out. Kinda hard to know how to avoid that issue in the future. =p
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2576 [22:38:32] <dvs> jfcaron, easy: stop being a hacker! ;-)
2577 [22:39:23] <jfcaron> Or accepting StackOverflow answers from hackers.
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2641 [23:11:02] <bluenemo> I found that aptdaemon / aptdcon was dropped in stretch - is there another way to install apt packages simultaneous (as in say apt install tmux and apt install htop in two shells at the same time) ?
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2646 [23:12:07] <dvs> why would you want to do that?!?
2647 [23:12:18] <jmcnaught> bluenemo: you could use ansible for that
2648 [23:12:28] <bluenemo> jmcnaught, replaced-url
2649 [23:13:09] <bluenemo> actually I want to use it for ansible :P I want to run some plays in parallel.. but I need the multiple apt tasks not to block each other and fail..
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2651 [23:13:32] <jmcnaught> bluenemo: wait, you mean two shells on the same system?
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2653 [23:13:38] <bluenemo> if you use a task that checks for the dpkg lock that also sucks, because one second passes before the next (the apt) task executes, and sbd / sth could start sth in that time...
2654 [23:13:44] <bluenemo> jmcnaught, yes
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2656 [23:14:16] <bluenemo> aptdaemon was excellent for that, in ubuntu 18.04 (on my laptop) its still present, just tried it out, does exactly what I need (see last comment in ansible issue link above)
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2658 [23:14:27] <bluenemo> sadly aptdaemon is no longer maintained
2659 [23:14:30] <bluenemo> it seems
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2661 [23:15:15] <hermande> bluenemo, try and recompile/package for stretch....
2662 [23:15:29] <bluenemo> hm.. not sure I want to do that..
2663 [23:15:39] <Tenkawa> the tma approach
2664 [23:15:49] <Tenkawa> take my approach
2665 [23:15:49] <bluenemo> would prefer a "supported" solution.
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2667 [23:15:58] <bluenemo> ?
2668 [23:15:59] <Tenkawa> works for me
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2670 [23:16:14] <bluenemo> sorry Tenkawa I dont follow
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2672 [23:16:34] <Tenkawa> tma = take my approach
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2675 [23:17:07] <dvs> ,v aptdaemon
2676 [23:17:08] <judd> Package: aptdaemon on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.1-4+deb8u1
2677 [23:17:25] <Tenkawa> I didnt say I was that funny
2678 [23:17:30] <Tenkawa> heh
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2682 [23:19:40] <bluenemo> there are some feature requests on the debian bugtracker to add sth like --wait to apt itself
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2711 [23:37:47] <bluenemo> jmcnaught, hermande and Tenkawa I found `pkcon -y remove kate`, which uses replaced-url
2712 [23:37:50] <bluenemo> works for me :)
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